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# Happy birthday to you
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# Happy birthday to you
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# Happy birthday, dear Tiona
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# Happy birthday to you! #
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Hip, hip, hooray!
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Hip, hip, hooray!
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Hip, hip, hooray!
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THEY LAUGH
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My mum,
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like, everybody just knew her for...
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..being happy and funny, and...
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Like, everybody's got
a story with my mum,
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like, something funny
that's happened and...
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I don't know what it was,
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but she just always had
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a way of making you feel
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good about yourself, like,
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whenever you saw her,
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you just always left her
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feeling happier than what you were.
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I think she had that impact on
a lot of folk.
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Since she went missing and stuff,
it's just been a big, like,
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best way to describe it,
it's like a cloud of smoke, like...
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I don't want to...
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..to ever think that
it's happening and it's real.
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Morning, folks.
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Lots of familiar faces in this room,
which gives me the absolute
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confidence that we'll deal with
what we're going to deal with here,
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and this is what we're actually
going to deal with.
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Missing person, Julie Reilly.
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And the bottom line is,
there's suspicious circumstances
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as to her currently being missing.
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Our number-one priority is,
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if at all possible,
the safe recovery of Julie.
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Find where she is and attend to
any needs that she may have.
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So, what could have happened
to Julie?
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Well, she could have voluntarily
absented herself from her friends
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and family, for whatever reason,
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we don't know. She may have come to
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substantial harm, or death, at the
hand of an as-yet-unknown person.
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We cannae discount that she's been
held against her will,
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unknown location,
for an unknown reason.
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If she has come to substantial harm,
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or death,
then why has that occurred?
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Has she been murdered?
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Potentially,
she could have self-harmed
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and she's in a place where
we just cannae find her.
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Stevie, give us a wee bit of
background about Julie, please?
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Julie is a 47-year-old female,
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who lives alone.
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She's originally from Ayrshire.
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She suffers from
a hypoxic brain injury,
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where she was in hospital for
five months.
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Over the period of her life, she
goes for periods
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without speaking to the family, but
she always then gets back in touch.
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Have you ever seen the woman before?
No, mate. No, no. That's fine, bud.
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The 6th of February is
a very significant date.
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It was the last day
she used her bus pass.
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She's never been reported
missing before,
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albeit she's went long periods of
time, but she's always come back,
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or there's always been
some kind of contact.
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The purpose of today is
to try and engage with
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the local community,
gather information.
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I'm looking at Julie's background.
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I'm looking at how,
as you would expect,
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how someone lives their life.
There is nothing that I'm aware of
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that would lead Julie to suddenly
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flee, or leave the area.
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HE WHISTLES
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DOG BARKS
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I moved to Major Investigations
in 2011.
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And at the start of it, when I was
probably younger in service...
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OK.
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..a lot of it was around
the thrill of the chase,
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and getting that
ten seconds of energy
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when you've got that key
piece of information
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that you know that that's the bit,
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that's the bit
that proves this case.
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And probably, if you're honest,
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as you become more mature
in the job,
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it's the difference that
you can actually make
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to the victims' families,
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in their darkest moments.
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How's things been
in the last couple of days?
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Just weird.
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Too long. It's just
getting longer,
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isn't it?
Mm-hmm. Bad.
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She's been upset
this morning. Yeah.
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Is it just the length of time
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that's worrying you a wee bit just
now, or is it...? I think so, aye.
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And I think... If she's...
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If she's not all right,
how's she not been found?
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That's my question, my thing now
is, but if she's not all right,
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she would have been found by now.
Look who's all trying to find her,
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look who's all...
All the police and...
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..and nobody can find her,
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and that's what makes me hope
so much she's all right.
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That's my wee,
my wee clinch to hang on to.
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Here.
SHE SOBS
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Oh...
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Sorry. No, don't be daft, Lynne.
Don't apologise.
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How have you been, Margaret?
Not bad.
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Tower of strength, this woman.
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The two of youse bounce off
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each other well, but youse do...
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If one of youse is struggling,
the other one's there, and...
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Always. Staying so close together's
a godsend at times like this. Aye.
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I mean, you're just across the road.
I just wish that she could be found,
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one way or another. That's the
position I'm in now. We're the same,
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and our whole inquiry's focused
on that, is finding Julie.
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Mm-hmm. Finding out
why she's missing.
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Aye. For whatever reason it may be.
I think, is she lying
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somewhere, is she away abroad?
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Thinking all these things. Yeah.
It's a million and one things
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every single day... I know.
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..and they're different every
single day. It's hard because
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you're wanting answers
and you're waiting for answers.
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And I know every time
I'm phoning you,
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your heart's
going to skip a beat. Aye.
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It is, and it's another week,
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but then I also keep thinking
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to myself, well,
she's not been found,
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they would have found her by now -
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the dogs, the helicopter, the
divers, somebody would definitely
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have found her by now -
so she might be all right.
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It's a nice picture. Aye. It is.
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I gave her that wee scarf.
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Julie's diary, it's dated 2017.
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First thing is - Mum's phone number.
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Take that as though it's Mum.
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Tuesday 25th - Drew ESA.
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Yep. £235.
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30th January, which is Monday,
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Crisis Centre.
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Put on 30ml.
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CATT team.
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Got put up to 40ml.
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My mum was quite ill.
She was in...
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rehab and she was
in hospital for months.
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And the entry for Sunday 7th -
Crisis Centre.
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She wouldn't have been to
appointments and stuff.
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That's when I was like...
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I just knew something was up,
like...
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She would always go.
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She, like, had a routine.
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She had to always do
what she was supposed to be doing.
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She would... She just always did.
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And it was weird that she wasn't
going to the appointments, and...
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I just thought maybe she'd met a guy
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and he was in trouble, or something,
and she'd ran away with him.
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Because she would do
that kind of stuff, like.
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She was daft.
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More notably, Saturday 28th -
Mum come in...
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Watch what you're doing
with your...something.
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Money. Yeah. Watch what
you're doing with your money.
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Grab a seat.
Oh, thank you very much.
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A wee look through the diary.
The things that we're seeing
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all the time, it confirms that
she keeps a diary of everything -
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her ESA, her DLA,
that's in there weekly.
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Her CATT team appointments
are in there every week,
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her doctor's appointments.
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And then her diary is of what
she does on a daily basis.
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Everything's put in,
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just to remind her, obviously,
because of her brain injury.
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Would you agree that she's
almost trying to relearn... Yeah.
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..how to do some of the basic
things? Yep. Yep.
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Warnings to remind myself to do
something, and then you're getting
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the actual date. 11th June,
you're getting the fact that
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it is her mum's birthday.
That certainly corroborates
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the fact that she sort of,
she's family orientated.
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The bottom line is,
we can answer the question that
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there's nothing in the diary
that would cause us concern that...
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or show a plan for her to disappear.
No, absolutely not. 100% not.
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None at all. OK.
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So, we're just going to be going
to a house at Shieldhall Road.
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This is the house of
a missing person,
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and we're going to do
a forensic examination on it.
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We need to build up a picture of
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why she's missing
and how she's missing.
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Maybe trying to establish
if there has been
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any violence in the house.
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We need to go in there and make sure
that there's nothing untoward.
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For me, today my kind, of mission
at the moment would be
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to identify any potential blood,
or what have you,
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and to get this place
all photographed and get that done,
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and then tomorrow,
come up with a plan. OK.
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In a missing person's case,
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you're looking to go and see
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what you can find
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that might have shown that
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they've been injured there.
Is there any blood patterns
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that show there's been
any kind of assault?
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In that house, I was on my hands and
knees looking for any bloodstaining,
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and I couldn't see anything at all.
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But as you started to look closer,
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I noticed some dropped blood spots,
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which were dilute.
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But it was all very disjointed,
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and it wasn't very obvious
if anything had happened here.
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Hayley has identified, round the
drum of the washing machine, blood.
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We're going to concentrate on there,
and there's a wee kind of
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congregated bit of blood here.
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I'm going to need
the biologist to do...
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or the source lighting,
which will give us a better idea of
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what we're looking at.
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Aye, definitely, so...
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All right, thanks a lot, Ally.
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Cheers, bye. Bye.
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There's almost kind of
small amounts of
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dilute blood down there, so this
stage is really, really difficult,
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to even interpret, you know,
what's happened there. Erm...
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But we'll get a plan, we'll get
a forensic strategy meeting,
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we'll get our specialists in,
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and see how
we're going to progress this.
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Because at this point,
you couldn't say that
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there's been an act of violence
within the house just now.
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I got a phone call
from a hospital in Glasgow,
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and just said that Julie never
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turned up for an appointment today.
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And at that point, I never thought
much of it, because I thought,
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there'll be a phone call
saying they've got her...
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In a couple of days, that was my
genuine thinking. Honest to God,
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that was my thought, because
that's... That was just Julie.
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That was just Julie, so it was. That
was Julie, no phoning me... Mm-hmm.
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..but she would eventually, you'd
just lift the phone, it'd be her.
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Hi, Mum. Quite the thing. There'd
been nothing from the day before.
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Ken, that's what Julie was like.
Aye. Yeah.
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The last phone call
I got from Julie,
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she told me that she was
moving somebody in,
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a lodger in, she's thinking of
moving this lodger in,
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and I disagreed with her.
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I said it was wrong,
it wasnae for her.
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But she said, he comes from Penilee,
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I know him, he's OK. And I said,
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I think it's all wrong
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and that you don't need this.
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And she says,
I'm not going with him.
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I said, the noo. Mmm.
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That's the answer I gave.
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And she says, he could be my carer.
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And I thought,
oh, no, this is getting worse.
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And she hung up,
because I disagreed. Right.
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And that was the last... That was
the last time she spoke to you.
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You're waking up in the morning
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and you're opening your eyes up,
it's normal and everything's
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all right and that, and then
the reality hits you... I know.
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..a hard punch right in the side of
the heid. Basically, it does.
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Everything you thought about the day
before runs through your heid,
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before the new stuff of this day
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starts running through
your heid. And...
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what have I not thought about? As
if that could be the answer to it.
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I'm all right if one car door shuts.
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If I hear two car doors shutting,
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that's when I get up to the window.
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I go and look out the window.
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Mum, constantly, her head is
going back to the last chat.
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Julie had been in and out of
relationships all her life.
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And I think her mum had thought that
she'd maybe just got herself
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back on track and, in mum's eyes,
off the drugs, you know,
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the best she's ever been, engaging
with the family again, the grandson.
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And then the phone call
about the lodger then,
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that's that contact stopped.
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And there's been nothing since then.
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I think they're always going to
have the question of, what if?
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What if I'd maybe went to see her?
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That's what's really got them.
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Morning, folks.
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OK, so, around
the turn of the year -
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and I don't have anything
more specific than that,
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it is around the turn of the year -
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Julie becomes involved in
a relationship with a male
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by the name of Andrew Wallace.
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That's the last report.
Last confirmed sighting.
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Aldi. Hazelwood West.
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She's with the boy Wallace.
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On 6th February, which was
the last-known sighting,
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Andrew Wallace sends a text
stating that
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he's going to carry out some form
of scam on Julie, "On the QT. LOL".
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So, he's preparing some form of scam
on the day that she goes missing.
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Here...
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There's the boy Andrew Wallace...
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..who was living with
the missing person at the time.
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So, this is the 14th of February,
Valentine's Day,
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and he uses her card to buy stuff.
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Could be a top-up for a phone,
I don't know.
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This is Aldi.
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Hazelwood West.
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So, that's her card,
it's a fraudulent transaction.
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He didn't buy any stuff,
so you see him, he just skims it.
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He's only buying
up to a certain amount,
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so he doesn't have to put a pin in.
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He's interviewed
in relation to the frauds
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and he makes a no-comment interview.
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It's a very short interview.
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Andrew Wallace yesterday
appeared on petition
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at Glasgow Sheriff Court
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and is remanded in custody
in relation to a number of frauds,
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and we've got a short period
of time, as you know,
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to work around
what we've physically got.
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Key time frame
is essentially between
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the 6th of February
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and up to the 10th of February.
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Between that time frame,
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Andrew Wallace attends
another male's home address,
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and he's got scratches
to the side of his face
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and his hands
and he's covered in blood.
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He provides an explanation
that, erm,
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he was near to a roundabout
on Govan Road
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and that he was hit by a truck,
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hit by the wing mirror of a truck,
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and he rolled along
the side of the truck.
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But he goes into the bathroom
and he washes the blood off himself,
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his hands. And he looks at him
after he's cleaned up,
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he's got scratches on his face
and on his hands.
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So, that's the situation
we're faced with right now.
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We need to basically find her alive,
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or prove that she's dead.
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One of the two.
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Mr Wallace is in custody,
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in relation to fraud charges,
concerning
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the use of Julie's bank cards.
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For me,
it's started the clock ticking.
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I have to look very carefully at
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the decisions I'm going to make
in relation to Mr Wallace.
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There's risk, and that risk is
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to the public - by not getting
sufficiency of evidence
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and the right time scales,
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and potentially releasing
an individual into the community
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that you've got concerns about.
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On first look in that property,
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it's not obviously a murder scene.
333
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I've got some drops of blood,
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which are of Julie's.
335
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It looks to be smeared,
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potentially cleaned.
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For me, that concerns me,
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and that means that
we need to do further
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significant work at that scene to
ascertain what's happened in there.
340
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What number is this? Number five
for carpet sample two.
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So, what we might need to do is...
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Oh, right.
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Heavy staining there.
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That shows you the amount of blood
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that must've been on here.
346
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Right, freeze, OK?
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Just going to suspend it just now,
because we've obviously got blood
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seeping through the carpet,
onto the floor,
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underneath the carpets.
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Basically, we've lifted part of
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the carpet from the living room, er,
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and it's soaked with blood
underneath.
353
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The blood seeped
all the way through,
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quite a lot of it, so...
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I'm going to grid the living room
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and lift all the carpets.
357
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All right, no worries.
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All right, I'll catch you soon.
359
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Cheers. Bye-bye. Bye.
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Just spoke with the SIO there,
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just informing him of
what we found there.
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So, erm, we're going to continue
and try and...
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We're going to have to lift
all the carpets in this house.
364
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These are going to go up to
Gartcosh, the mark enhancement lab.
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Over and upright...
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There'll be a camera directly above
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and they'll do
the luminol procedure,
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which will give us a better idea of
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what we're looking at.
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So, a very interesting development,
not one that I was expecting.
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But nonetheless,
we will deal with it.
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Luminol is a chemical that is used
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normally for detecting trace amounts
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of blood, or dilute blood.
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It's very useful in scenes where
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there is a suggestion that blood
has been cleaned up.
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It reacts with the haemoglobin
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in your blood. This gives off
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a reaction in light,
so we do it in darkness.
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We spray an area, and if there's
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blood staining present, you'll see
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a very typical blue-white glow.
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OK, so, whenever you're ready. Yep.
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Just give us a...
Let my eyes adjust a little second.
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OK, I'm going to start now.
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The initial results for the luminol
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was quite shocking, actually.
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I don't think we expected it.
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So, there's the footprint there.
390
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Do you see that in the middle,
everyone?
391
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Where the toes are.
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You could see someone
must have walked around
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with blood on their feet.
394
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It really just showed the extent of
395
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,560
how much blood was actually there.
396
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,360
I think they look like drag marks.
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I think probably
the best place to start
398
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,360
is just look at
the luminol pictures.
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So, hallway.
400
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Pretty powerful stuff.
401
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That's all areas of blood.
402
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,840
I've never seen anything like this.
403
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,200
Bathroom.
404
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,400
OK, it just gets worse.
405
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,560
That one, I think it
tells you a story, eh?
406
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,400
I think we're as confident as
we'll ever really be
407
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,480
as to what's actually happened
in that location.
408
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,520
From here on, Andrew Wallace
is now a suspect for murder.
409
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,200
We need to have in the back of
our minds, we need to nail this
410
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,560
on the person who's done this,
411
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,160
all right? Because that's just...
412
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that's as bad as I've seen.
413
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,920
The priorities are, I want to lift
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the tiles in the bathroom first,
415
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,240
before we take the bath out.
416
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,080
I want to get
the side panel off today,
417
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,600
and let's have a look at
what's under the bath.
418
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,840
So, we've got to look at
there'll be continuous water
419
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,360
going in there, so how far
would any potential blood,
420
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,200
matter, bone,
it could go all the way out.
421
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,760
In the washing machine,
it'll be the waste pipe,
422
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,360
and I really want to have
a real good look in that drum.
423
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,360
She's met her death in there.
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She must have been brutalised in
there, with that amount of blood.
425
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,880
Police said yesterday, they were
treating 47-year-old
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Miss Reilly from Govan's death
as murder.
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00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,600
They were appealing for
information about two suitcases
428
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,360
they say may contain evidence
about what happened.
429
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,000
In relation to the suitcase,
430
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a witness tells us that Mr Wallace
431
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comes into his house
and he's hauling
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00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,360
a large suitcase into the flat.
433
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,080
He asks him, what's in the suitcase?
434
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,080
And he says to him, erm,
it's a deer.
435
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I was out in a car with another
named person and we hit a deer,
436
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,200
so we butchered the deer,
437
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,840
and the contents of the deer
is in the suitcase.
438
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,840
My job is to explore that.
439
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,920
# ..Dear Tiona
440
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,320
# Happy birthday to you! #
441
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,600
Hip, hip, hooray!
442
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,640
Hip, hip, hooray!
443
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,000
Hip, hip, hooray!
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00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,360
THEY LAUGH
445
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,120
My mum was quite ill
446
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,160
with, like, drugs and stuff,
447
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,240
so my gran adopted me.
448
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,160
Since then, I don't really ever
remember, like, being with my mum,
449
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,520
it was always my gran. Like,
I've just grew up with my gran.
450
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,200
That's, I feel...
451
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,720
But she would always...
452
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,960
phone.
453
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,520
LAUGHTER
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She would try and be somebody else.
455
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,280
And I would talk to my mum
behind my gran's back for weeks,
456
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,080
and then be like, I'm sorry, Gran,
I've been talking to my mum.
457
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,560
And that happened a few times
458
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,720
because I was always the one
that was like...
459
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,320
..would forgive her for everything.
460
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,720
I would always just be like,
no, she's my mum,
461
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,840
I'm no caring if
she's no spoke to me.
462
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,280
But then when I had Jax, I felt like
463
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,480
my view on it all changed,
464
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,040
because when you've got
your own wean, you think,
465
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,920
how can anybody do that?
466
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,680
And for a bit,
I did just resent her.
467
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,720
Because I thought,
I've always just forgave you.
468
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,280
I've never really understood it
from a mum's point of view.
469
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,440
So, I think I was quite cold
with her
470
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,640
the past year or so of her life.
I was...
471
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,320
I felt off.
472
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,000
I wish I'd never felt like that.
473
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,440
I feel like...
474
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,280
I just... I don't feel
as if I've missed out.
475
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,520
Like, I have, obviously, but I feel
so much worse for her, like...
476
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,200
She deserved some normality in life.
477
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,360
To be able to go out on days out
with her grandson and her daughter
478
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,320
and stuff, she deserved that.
She made big changes.
479
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,560
You just want somebody to...
480
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,720
You want a phone call to say, like,
this is wrong, we're wrong.
481
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,920
Right, folks, before I go on
any further, can I just introduce
482
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,960
two gentlemen, who have very kindly
come from the National Crime Agency
483
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,720
up here to assist us in our inquiry.
484
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,800
These are the most difficult cases.
485
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,800
To be clear, since 2000,
in Police Scotland,
486
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,720
there've only been
four no-body murders,
487
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,000
so we're in
pretty elevated territory
488
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,840
with the inquiry we're working on.
489
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,720
So, we take every bit of advice
that we can.
490
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,280
I just really want to take
20 minutes to go over
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00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,080
the scene photographs with yourself.
492
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,280
Have a look at that.
I don't actually think
493
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,440
there's a more powerful photograph.
494
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,520
This is all blood here.
495
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,200
And you can obviously see it
496
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,840
on the floor there as well.
497
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,080
So, am I right
in saying, essentially,
498
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,480
what we're looking at
is scratch marks in the bath?
499
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,200
Yeah, there was quite a lot of
damage along the bath.
500
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,960
Aye, you see the horizontal scores?
501
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,880
It looks to me that
a possible attack site
502
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,640
could be the living room,
but finally went to the bathroom.
503
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,520
When you know it's going to get
really messy,
504
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,360
where's the easiest place to clear
up? The bathroom. The bathroom.
505
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,240
I think given the marks
that are on the bath,
506
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,640
which could substantiate
507
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,080
if she's been dismembered
508
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,560
into smaller parts, bigger parts,
it could be anything.
509
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,800
One thing we've found
from experience is that
510
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,560
offenders, when they're faced with
the, er, dismemberment aspect,
511
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,360
they don't appreciate
just how difficult
512
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,560
it's going to be to do that.
513
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,360
But if that's taken place, then
514
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,360
it's either taken place because
it's easier for disposal,
515
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,000
or there's an issue
around identification.
516
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,760
It's quite horrific stuff to go
around with a body in a suitcase,
517
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,160
or parts in a suitcase, or
bloodstained articles in a suitcase.
518
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,480
For me, the key - and the key
for your work right now -
519
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,000
is finding that suitcase.
520
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,960
At the moment, I think
they're building two scenarios -
521
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,120
that the disposal is
all in one place
522
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,120
and one large part of a body.
523
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,400
Maybe the head and hands cut off,
524
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,280
identification aspects,
525
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,240
or whether we're looking at
526
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,760
quite a number of small... Sites.
527
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,760
..sites and, yeah...
528
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,040
It's horrendous.
529
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,120
So, this area is what
we would call Govan.
530
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,800
Our suspect,
is he born and bred round here?
531
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,280
He's certainly, he's been in
this area for a while.
532
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,960
A few years. A few years, yeah.
And his lifestyle,
533
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,880
unfortunately, is drug dealing.
Yeah. So, he'll know this area.
534
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,520
You could argue that
535
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,120
it wouldn't be the most unnatural
thing to see somebody
536
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,640
walking down the road
with a suitcase.
537
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,920
There was an initial
Cell Site assessment done
538
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,240
that brought the officers
down to this location.
539
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,520
So, it's an enormous area.
540
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:02,320
There's lots of kind of open stanks
541
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,520
and culverts and things
in this sort of area.
542
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,080
That is the nearest point of relief,
really, isn't it? Yeah.
543
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,560
If he's coming down here and
he wants to get rid of that thing,
544
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,320
that's the obvious point
to go and do it.
545
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,080
If you're going to put it
in the water.
546
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,840
It's amazing how many desolate areas
there are in the urban areas.
547
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,840
You start to go, you could hide
something anywhere, couldn't you?
548
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,480
He says roughly one week before,
Drew is in the flat with a suitcase.
549
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,600
They leave the flat and,
as they open the front door
550
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,080
to his flat,
which is on the second floor,
551
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,480
Drew Wallace is there.
552
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,920
Hasnae heard him chapping, but
Drew Wallace is just standing there.
553
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,400
Apparently, they don't speak,
going down the common close.
554
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,880
They get to the front door of
the common close.
555
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,720
Drew Wallace says,
556
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,440
"I've murdered a cunt."
557
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,000
First thoughts are,
why is he telling me this?
558
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,640
I don't really know
this guy that well.
559
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,600
He says, "What the fuck's it
got to do with me?!"
560
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,680
The next thing
that Drew Wallace says
561
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,000
is something close to,
"I need to get rid of a body."
562
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,520
He says, he might have been trying
563
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,560
to get me to help dispose of a body,
564
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,480
but he wasn't sure if he was serious
565
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,800
and he absolutely didn't want
566
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,920
anything to do with it,
567
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,520
so he walked away.
568
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,280
He said he was stressed,
569
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,480
dishevelled,
570
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,080
not his self-confident self.
571
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,200
Erm, just go over the verbals again.
572
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,560
So...
573
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,200
Verbal one, "I've murdered a cunt."
574
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,160
The next verbal
is something close to,
575
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,240
"I need to get rid of a body."
576
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,920
He remains a witness,
he's told us what he's told us.
577
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,360
It's satisfying from
an investigative point of view,
578
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,840
but right now, the only thing
you think about is the family.
579
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,680
That's the only thing
you think about. It's not...
580
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,440
It's not a sense of euphoria.
It's just the family, you know.
581
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,920
We've got, at some point in time,
to go and tell them what we know,
582
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,760
so that's the thing that's right at
the front of your mind right now.
583
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,200
I keep all these.
584
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,040
I used to look at them every day.
585
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,080
I just... I kind of saw most of
the things you hear in the papers.
586
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:05,000
It's all rubbish but, unfortunately,
I had to read the rubbish.
587
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,080
There she is, front page,
588
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,320
with a prince.
589
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,400
It's a great picture, too.
590
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,160
And she was just so vulnerable.
591
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,000
She would have opened her arms.
It wouldn't have mattered
592
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,040
who you sent up there
and chapped her door.
593
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,760
If somebody chapped
her door and says,
594
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,760
"Hi, Julie, I'm here to be your pal
and care for you and love you,"
595
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,360
she would just have done that
and put her wee arms out,
596
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,480
which anybody in her wee situation
would have.
597
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,720
See, the not knowing,
598
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:43,800
that is frying my brain.
599
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,520
The things I've put in my head
that's happened to her.
600
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,840
It cannae be that bad, it cannae
be that bad.
601
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,480
But it can be. Huh! Aye, it can be.
602
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,800
There she is.
603
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,360
There we are.
604
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,640
It doesn't feel real.
605
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,920
Oh... I miss her bad,
606
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,200
so bad, so I do.
607
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,080
That wee face. How could you
possibly do that to somebody?!
608
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,560
I'll miss her all the time,
so I will.
609
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,200
God love her.
610
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,880
You've plotted the cell IDs
for these calls
611
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,960
and it's come back with
these locations. Uh-huh.
612
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,960
Well, essentially, what we've got is
613
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,160
a record of the telephone's
movements between certain times.
614
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,680
So, if that text message has gone...
615
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,480
..that should be...
that should be over there.
616
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:28,120
The phones generally tell a story.
617
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,040
Because we know that there's
a suitcase goes to a witness's flat
618
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,800
on the 11th of February.
But we also know that
619
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,040
he travels to an area that's
620
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,960
previously unseen in the inquiry,
621
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,760
on two occasions, Paisley Road West.
622
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,000
So, what we're able to say
623
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,160
is that at one point in time,
624
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,640
the suitcase is put in
the boot of a car,
625
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,920
is taken to the area of my triangle,
626
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,040
and we don't see
627
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,920
the suitcase ever again.
628
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,200
There's an area of shops,
629
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,840
there are gardens, there are bins.
630
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,600
There's lots of things there that
would be of real concern for me.
631
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,560
Do youse want to start
down that side
632
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,240
and I'll get them to start
the next street and the next one?
633
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,000
Just in case
there's anything underneath that.
634
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,360
OK, quite happy with that.
635
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,680
That's fine. We're looking for...
636
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,400
A tan leather cover suitcase
637
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,320
and a royal navy blue suitcase
is what we're looking for just now.
638
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,280
And as you can see from
the area around here,
639
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,280
there's all sorts of stuff discarded
in the back courts - from furniture,
640
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,920
mattresses, and the search team
actually have found
641
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,480
two black suitcases disposed of
642
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,000
in a couple of
under-the-stairs cupboards as well.
643
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,000
This is the first sector of
what we have looked at
644
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,960
in an initial five sectors, so
there's every possibility that,
645
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,760
as the search progresses,
yeah, we could find
646
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,840
what we're actually looking for.
647
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,440
This is my wee book I have used
648
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,440
since my sister went missing. Er...
649
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,080
I like to keep
all my wee notes in it,
650
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,520
but I also like to write my sister
651
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,600
a wee letter every morning,
and my niece.
652
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,480
Julie's daughter, er,
653
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,200
we lost her to cot death in 1993.
654
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,080
But I like to write them both
a wee letter every morning,
655
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,840
and then I know I've said to them
656
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,640
just exactly what
I need to say to them.
657
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,240
"Not a good day yesterday
for me, honey.
658
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,400
I just can't get my head around
the fact I won't see you again.
659
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,680
So unfair, what you had to suffer
at the hands of that thing.
660
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,760
Mum's wee living room's nearly done.
661
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,480
Just the carpet this morning
and her unit hopefully built.
662
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,360
How have you been
since you left us, hen?
663
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,560
Is it better being with
your angel daughter
664
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,040
and all those other angels?
665
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,680
I'm trying so hard
to make life be normal,
666
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,280
but how can we do that
if that thing,
667
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,120
who I don't have a name for,
668
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,360
won't let us have your angel,
669
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,400
so we can lay you to rest?
670
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:54,360
How can we not find these
suitcases as well, hen? He knows,
671
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,360
so why can't he tell where they
are? It could be the closure
672
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,080
that could help us,
and so much Mum too, hen.
673
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,480
We just want to lay you to rest
674
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,480
so, please, all my angels
and their friends,
675
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,760
please help us, so you can be at
peace with your wee angel girl.
676
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,640
VOICE BREAKING:
I'll speak to you both soon.
677
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,200
Keep smiling and shining bright,
my diamonds.
678
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,840
I love you both so much."
679
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,040
It's obviously my opinion,
but this suitcase looks like
680
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,680
it's been here, you know, a lesser
period of time than everything,
681
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,000
all the other rubbish
that's sitting about it.
682
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,800
There's a lot of stuff in here
which is like
683
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,520
broken-up bits of furniture,
684
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,960
there's an old cooker,
685
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,200
and this suitcase is pretty much
686
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,280
tucked right into the corner.
687
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,160
It doesn't look damaged,
really, at all.
688
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,000
Absolutely doesn't look like
689
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,520
it fits in with
its current environment.
690
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,440
There's a black bin bag
right underneath it,
691
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,520
so, is that foreign? Does that
come with the suitcase as well?
692
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,400
It's a decent potential.
Very similar to the description
693
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,120
of the bag that we've been
passed by the witnesses.
694
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,040
It's old-fashioned, it's navy blue,
695
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,000
the dimensions are pretty similar.
696
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,400
The witnesses describe it
having a handle in the middle.
697
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,880
This one matches the description.
698
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,320
It's probably like a lot of things
in this inquiry, you don't know
699
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,800
what you've got until you get it
back, you get it analysed.
700
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,040
Sorry, folks, this'll be quick.
701
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,600
This morning, over at 393
Paisley Road West,
702
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,160
Saturday lunchtime, they found
a large blue suitcase.
703
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,080
It was the right shape, right size.
704
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,280
Campbell and Ally were doing
some door-to-door in there,
705
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,480
and they happened to notice
a very nervous guy,
706
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,200
who was shaking like a leaf and had
actually forgotten that he'd put
707
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,160
the suitcase out there, so it
bottoms out. The bottom line.
708
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,200
I think we're all under no illusions
that we'll unfortunately prove
709
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,680
the death of Julie,
but let's just not lose mind
710
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,160
or focus around. We need to build
that picture up before it,
711
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,640
because that's the thing
that will convict for murder.
712
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,600
On the phone that we know he was
using on the day in question -
713
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,640
at 3:16 in the morning,
714
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,160
the device carries out a search for
715
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,320
"fast and effective knife strikes".
716
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,920
Erm, then later on that afternoon,
717
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,520
"killing someone with a knife".
718
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,160
And then on the 22nd of February,
719
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,720
he searches into
720
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,320
the Google Play Store for
721
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,720
"anti-tracker app".
722
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,760
His handset's got over three...
723
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,880
three-and-a-bit-thousand
photographs on it.
724
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,600
There's numerous photographs of
various types of hunting knives,
725
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,640
blood-soaked knives, knives that
are clearly used to commit murder.
726
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,000
And a picture of a male
727
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,680
standing over a clearly dead woman,
728
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,920
in a domestic setting, with
a bloodstained knife on the floor.
729
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,160
Numerous photographs of suitcases.
730
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,200
Looks like he searched
for suitcases.
731
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,640
There's a picture of a medical
procedure, which says on it,
732
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,960
"tibial bone cut with bone saw".
733
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,040
Erm, but can I tell you,
734
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,240
there's not an awful lot of
neutral stuff in there.
735
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,680
That is pretty much
everything you see.
736
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,200
Erm, there's no, er,
there's nothing about Celtic,
737
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,320
Partick Thistle,
or anything else that you and I
738
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,960
would consider as being normal.
739
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,440
So, very, very, very strange
and very, very concerning.
740
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,120
4287, er, free to speak,
are you OK to speak?
741
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,520
VIA RADIO: Go ahead.
742
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,400
4287, I'm currently
down at an incident
743
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,240
I don't know if you're aware
of, at Ardshiel Road.
744
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:57,480
A neighbour had come out
and said to the cops, listen,
745
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,320
I think we've found
what looks like a bone.
746
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,600
Would it be possible to arrange for
IB to come down
747
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,960
for photograph purposes?
748
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,840
It's... It's a murder inquiry,
749
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,280
So it's kind of urgent,
unfortunately.
750
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,800
We'll get IB
we'll get his photograph,
751
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,680
but it's going to have to be...
Yes, get it photographed,
752
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,080
get it recovered, get it to
the mortuary. A post-mortem.
753
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,320
Aye, I sort of agree.
OK, what size is this?
754
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,680
It's about that size.
755
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,960
Does it look like a bone, or a...?
Er, potentially.
756
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,960
I know. We can't...
I don't know. Aye, OK.
757
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,920
Right, OK, I'll need to make
a couple of phone calls,
758
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,520
I'll need to get onto the media.
I'm going to need to send Chris
759
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,880
down the road. Aye. I'll need to
send Chris down the road.
760
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,600
I mean, the reason we've found this
is because all the neighbours
761
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,840
have been talking about
finding flesh and... Right.
762
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,280
..missing persons. We could do
with getting some DOs here,
763
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,000
start chapping doors, doing some
door-to-door. I'll sort it out.
764
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,440
So that we can get a confirmation.
Have you found anything
765
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,280
out your back? Aye, and let's have
a look now. And let's have a look.
766
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,480
All right? OK? All right. Good plan?
767
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,080
Good. Great, thanks, guys.
768
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,720
PHONE RINGS
769
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:26,920
Hi, boss. Chris, how are you doing?
Can you speak? Yeah.
770
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,360
So, the bottom line is, you're going
to need to grab a neighbour, Chris,
771
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,480
and start heading down to
Auchinleck. OK.
772
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,440
I want to update the family,
773
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,520
before the media starts to get hold
of this... OK.
774
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,840
..that there's been, erm,
potential...
775
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,480
I'll need to think carefully
about the words we're going to use,
776
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,400
but I don't want to use
the phrase "body parts",
777
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:54,480
but there's been items found
in garden areas in Govan
778
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,960
that are of concern to us. Yeah.
We just need to tell them that
779
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,640
before the media start it, because
there's going to be a lot of
780
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,400
forensic activity around about here,
and I don't want two and two
781
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,160
to become nine. I just want to make
sure that they're aware of that.
782
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,680
We're not saying it's Julie
at this minute in time,
783
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,040
but you know what I'm saying,
Chris, yeah?
784
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,520
I know what you're saying, aye.
785
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,720
The pathologist obviously won't
commit to anything, but he says
786
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:35,800
before we've even looked and started
it, he says it looks suspicious.
787
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,480
I think they're thinking
788
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,520
there's obviously somebody
came through here, or...
789
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,080
I think it's more than likely
an animal's picked it up
790
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,640
from whatever site
and came through here.
791
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,120
But if it is her,
then the rest of her's close by.
792
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,840
Obviously, we need to wait on
the forensic activity.
793
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,320
Take every precaution
that we can to recover
794
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,840
these articles and work out what
their origin is,
795
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,320
and take it from there.
796
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,840
But the priority, as always
has been in this inquiry,
797
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,280
it's always the family,
and we need to make sure that
798
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,640
the family are looked after.
It may not be Julie,
799
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,080
and I hope it isn't, but
I would hate for them to find out
800
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,480
from some other source,
as opposed to us,
801
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,960
so the family have to be my priority
at this minute in time.
802
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,440
Well, there's more getting found.
803
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,960
There's ones you see further in.
804
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,240
Potentially, quite a lot.
805
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:50,680
However, there's bones there
that you or I cannae...
806
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,600
We might think they're animal bones,
but we don't know.
807
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,120
There's bones everywhere.
808
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,440
There's bones everywhere, mate.
It's like a bone yard.
809
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,480
It's destroyed the family.
810
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,520
I've had to be strong.
811
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,320
I cannae...
812
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,520
I can't...
813
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,600
Aye, we're all ruined.
814
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,080
I hope he's happy.
815
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,680
I sit at night myself up,
that's my time for sitting,
816
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,520
and that's when
I think about it all.
817
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:57,360
I just wish
she'd have listened to me.
818
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,440
Don't take him in.
819
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,320
It's a bad thing to do.
820
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,480
And she seemed happy. She did.
821
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,200
She would have looked after him.
She'd have given him all the money.
822
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,160
He wouldn't have had to steal
the money. Aye, I know that.
823
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,280
If he asked her for...
She'd have gave him it all.
824
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,880
She wouldn't have hesitated.
Never, she would.
825
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,960
She would have just
given him everything.
826
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,040
And no see her ever again.
827
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,000
Never, ever to see her again.
828
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:38,680
How somebody could do that,
I'll never know. No.
829
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,680
Never, never, never know.
830
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,040
Pretty horrific stuff, folks.
831
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,720
The article that was found at
the pathway of 110, Ardshiel Road
832
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:58,320
has been confirmed by
the pathologists as a human femur,
833
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:03,960
and DNA from that is confirmed as
834
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,320
Julie Reilly's leg.
835
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,920
I think we can all deduce from that
836
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,400
what that actually means, so...
837
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,840
it's, er, dreadfully sad
for the family.
838
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,600
In terms of the investigation,
839
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,600
as a team, we pull together to get
this case the best it can be,
840
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,960
so as we get Andrew Wallace through
court and get him where he belongs.
841
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,600
It's destroyed my family, and
it's never going to get any better.
842
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,560
But I'm not letting him take me.
843
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:52,200
He's took my sister, he's no taking
me, and he's no taking my family.
844
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,200
We'll beat him, so we will. We'll
have to do it without her, though,
845
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,760
but we will, I will, and we will.
846
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,880
One of the maintenance staff
here at Braehead,
847
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,400
he'd observed what he thought to be
848
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,560
potentially a human skull
in the water.
849
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,480
Chopped up... God, it's horrible!
850
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,960
You just don't want this
to be memory, like.
851
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,960
You don't want to think of my mum
and think of this.
852
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,160
To a certain extent,
it all culminates in
853
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,360
what's going to happen
in the next few hours,
854
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,160
and it's not lost on any of us.
855
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,440
Tell me your involvement, if any,
856
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,800
in the murder of Julie Reilly.
857
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,280
Zero emotion.
858
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,880
I'm now showing you a photograph...
859
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,480
of remains.
860
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,440
Getting wound up. Yep. Here we go.
861
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,560
I'm starting to get pissed off,
I am... Do you need a wee rest?
862
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,840
You need to get through this.
Do you want a break? No, on you go.
863
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,160
My view is that Mr Wallace's defence
864
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,520
will be that
Julie committed suicide,
865
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,600
but we'll let the jury
make their minds up.
866
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,920
You need to do the honourable thing,
Mr Wallace. I'd ask you
867
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,560
and I'd plead with you,
tell me where Julie is.
71878
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