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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:09,440 This programme contains very strong language and some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting 2 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,440 # Happy birthday to you 3 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,520 # Happy birthday to you 4 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,640 # Happy birthday, dear Tiona 5 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,800 # Happy birthday to you! # 6 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,560 Hip, hip, hooray! 7 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,600 Hip, hip, hooray! 8 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,760 Hip, hip, hooray! 9 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,280 THEY LAUGH 10 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:08,520 My mum, 11 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,880 like, everybody just knew her for... 12 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,200 ..being happy and funny, and... 13 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,360 Like, everybody's got a story with my mum, 14 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,520 like, something funny that's happened and... 15 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:33,520 I don't know what it was, 16 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,840 but she just always had 17 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,320 a way of making you feel 18 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:38,120 good about yourself, like, 19 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,840 whenever you saw her, 20 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,240 you just always left her 21 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,000 feeling happier than what you were. 22 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,760 I think she had that impact on a lot of folk. 23 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,120 Since she went missing and stuff, it's just been a big, like, 24 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,360 best way to describe it, it's like a cloud of smoke, like... 25 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,640 I don't want to... 26 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,400 ..to ever think that it's happening and it's real. 27 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,520 Morning, folks. 28 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,320 Lots of familiar faces in this room, which gives me the absolute 29 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,280 confidence that we'll deal with what we're going to deal with here, 30 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,040 and this is what we're actually going to deal with. 31 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,760 Missing person, Julie Reilly. 32 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,960 And the bottom line is, there's suspicious circumstances 33 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,520 as to her currently being missing. 34 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,920 Our number-one priority is, 35 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:17,280 if at all possible, the safe recovery of Julie. 36 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,840 Find where she is and attend to any needs that she may have. 37 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,440 So, what could have happened to Julie? 38 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Well, she could have voluntarily absented herself from her friends 39 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,920 and family, for whatever reason, 40 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:32,680 we don't know. She may have come to 41 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,200 substantial harm, or death, at the hand of an as-yet-unknown person. 42 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,640 We cannae discount that she's been held against her will, 43 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,640 unknown location, for an unknown reason. 44 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,120 If she has come to substantial harm, 45 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,440 or death, then why has that occurred? 46 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,760 Has she been murdered? 47 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,800 Potentially, she could have self-harmed 48 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,880 and she's in a place where we just cannae find her. 49 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,640 Stevie, give us a wee bit of background about Julie, please? 50 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,960 Julie is a 47-year-old female, 51 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,200 who lives alone. 52 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,080 She's originally from Ayrshire. 53 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,680 She suffers from a hypoxic brain injury, 54 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,960 where she was in hospital for five months. 55 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,360 Over the period of her life, she goes for periods 56 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,680 without speaking to the family, but she always then gets back in touch. 57 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,680 Have you ever seen the woman before? No, mate. No, no. That's fine, bud. 58 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,400 The 6th of February is a very significant date. 59 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,440 It was the last day she used her bus pass. 60 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,840 She's never been reported missing before, 61 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:46,040 albeit she's went long periods of time, but she's always come back, 62 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,880 or there's always been some kind of contact. 63 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,520 The purpose of today is to try and engage with 64 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,560 the local community, gather information. 65 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,440 I'm looking at Julie's background. 66 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,640 I'm looking at how, as you would expect, 67 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,840 how someone lives their life. There is nothing that I'm aware of 68 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:03,760 that would lead Julie to suddenly 69 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,720 flee, or leave the area. 70 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,960 HE WHISTLES 71 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,720 DOG BARKS 72 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,880 I moved to Major Investigations in 2011. 73 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:47,440 And at the start of it, when I was probably younger in service... 74 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,920 OK. 75 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,720 ..a lot of it was around the thrill of the chase, 76 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,560 and getting that ten seconds of energy 77 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,600 when you've got that key piece of information 78 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,880 that you know that that's the bit, 79 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,880 that's the bit that proves this case. 80 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,600 And probably, if you're honest, 81 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,160 as you become more mature in the job, 82 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,000 it's the difference that you can actually make 83 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,760 to the victims' families, 84 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,440 in their darkest moments. 85 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:30,520 How's things been in the last couple of days? 86 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,960 Just weird. 87 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,360 Too long. It's just getting longer, 88 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,400 isn't it? Mm-hmm. Bad. 89 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,440 She's been upset this morning. Yeah. 90 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,200 Is it just the length of time 91 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,400 that's worrying you a wee bit just now, or is it...? I think so, aye. 92 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,280 And I think... If she's... 93 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,640 If she's not all right, how's she not been found? 94 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,240 That's my question, my thing now is, but if she's not all right, 95 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,960 she would have been found by now. Look who's all trying to find her, 96 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,360 look who's all... All the police and... 97 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,640 ..and nobody can find her, 98 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,600 and that's what makes me hope so much she's all right. 99 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,200 That's my wee, my wee clinch to hang on to. 100 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,800 Here. SHE SOBS 101 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,880 Oh... 102 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,680 Sorry. No, don't be daft, Lynne. Don't apologise. 103 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,120 How have you been, Margaret? Not bad. 104 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,800 Tower of strength, this woman. 105 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,240 The two of youse bounce off 106 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,920 each other well, but youse do... 107 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,440 If one of youse is struggling, the other one's there, and... 108 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,760 Always. Staying so close together's a godsend at times like this. Aye. 109 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,080 I mean, you're just across the road. I just wish that she could be found, 110 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,600 one way or another. That's the position I'm in now. We're the same, 111 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,200 and our whole inquiry's focused on that, is finding Julie. 112 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,680 Mm-hmm. Finding out why she's missing. 113 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,280 Aye. For whatever reason it may be. I think, is she lying 114 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,920 somewhere, is she away abroad? 115 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,520 Thinking all these things. Yeah. It's a million and one things 116 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:10,680 every single day... I know. 117 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,240 ..and they're different every single day. It's hard because 118 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,720 you're wanting answers and you're waiting for answers. 119 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,640 And I know every time I'm phoning you, 120 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,600 your heart's going to skip a beat. Aye. 121 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,120 It is, and it's another week, 122 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,160 but then I also keep thinking 123 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,360 to myself, well, she's not been found, 124 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,360 they would have found her by now - 125 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,680 the dogs, the helicopter, the divers, somebody would definitely 126 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,920 have found her by now - so she might be all right. 127 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,960 It's a nice picture. Aye. It is. 128 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,840 I gave her that wee scarf. 129 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,240 Julie's diary, it's dated 2017. 130 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,280 First thing is - Mum's phone number. 131 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:13,640 Take that as though it's Mum. 132 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,880 Tuesday 25th - Drew ESA. 133 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,320 Yep. £235. 134 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,960 30th January, which is Monday, 135 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,040 Crisis Centre. 136 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,040 Put on 30ml. 137 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,240 CATT team. 138 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,080 Got put up to 40ml. 139 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,920 My mum was quite ill. She was in... 140 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,800 rehab and she was in hospital for months. 141 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:46,200 And the entry for Sunday 7th - Crisis Centre. 142 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,080 She wouldn't have been to appointments and stuff. 143 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,800 That's when I was like... 144 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,200 I just knew something was up, like... 145 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,120 She would always go. 146 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,120 She, like, had a routine. 147 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,920 She had to always do what she was supposed to be doing. 148 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,960 She would... She just always did. 149 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,480 And it was weird that she wasn't going to the appointments, and... 150 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,320 I just thought maybe she'd met a guy 151 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,960 and he was in trouble, or something, and she'd ran away with him. 152 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,480 Because she would do that kind of stuff, like. 153 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,040 She was daft. 154 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,240 More notably, Saturday 28th - Mum come in... 155 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,160 Watch what you're doing with your...something. 156 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,640 Money. Yeah. Watch what you're doing with your money. 157 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:44,200 Grab a seat. Oh, thank you very much. 158 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,720 A wee look through the diary. The things that we're seeing 159 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,880 all the time, it confirms that she keeps a diary of everything - 160 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,280 her ESA, her DLA, that's in there weekly. 161 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,440 Her CATT team appointments are in there every week, 162 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,960 her doctor's appointments. 163 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,760 And then her diary is of what she does on a daily basis. 164 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,880 Everything's put in, 165 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,680 just to remind her, obviously, because of her brain injury. 166 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:09,880 Would you agree that she's almost trying to relearn... Yeah. 167 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,280 ..how to do some of the basic things? Yep. Yep. 168 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,080 Warnings to remind myself to do something, and then you're getting 169 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,480 the actual date. 11th June, you're getting the fact that 170 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,240 it is her mum's birthday. That certainly corroborates 171 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,000 the fact that she sort of, she's family orientated. 172 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,720 The bottom line is, we can answer the question that 173 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,240 there's nothing in the diary that would cause us concern that... 174 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:37,040 or show a plan for her to disappear. No, absolutely not. 100% not. 175 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,200 None at all. OK. 176 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,360 So, we're just going to be going to a house at Shieldhall Road. 177 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,800 This is the house of a missing person, 178 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,640 and we're going to do a forensic examination on it. 179 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,680 We need to build up a picture of 180 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:01,600 why she's missing and how she's missing. 181 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,480 Maybe trying to establish if there has been 182 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,360 any violence in the house. 183 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,880 We need to go in there and make sure that there's nothing untoward. 184 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,240 For me, today my kind, of mission at the moment would be 185 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,680 to identify any potential blood, or what have you, 186 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:35,520 and to get this place all photographed and get that done, 187 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,200 and then tomorrow, come up with a plan. OK. 188 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,400 In a missing person's case, 189 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,240 you're looking to go and see 190 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,080 what you can find 191 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,600 that might have shown that 192 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,200 they've been injured there. Is there any blood patterns 193 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,400 that show there's been any kind of assault? 194 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,400 In that house, I was on my hands and knees looking for any bloodstaining, 195 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,440 and I couldn't see anything at all. 196 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,480 But as you started to look closer, 197 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,440 I noticed some dropped blood spots, 198 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,960 which were dilute. 199 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,080 But it was all very disjointed, 200 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,760 and it wasn't very obvious if anything had happened here. 201 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:36,160 Hayley has identified, round the drum of the washing machine, blood. 202 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,200 We're going to concentrate on there, and there's a wee kind of 203 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,080 congregated bit of blood here. 204 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,680 I'm going to need the biologist to do... 205 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:47,320 or the source lighting, which will give us a better idea of 206 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,360 what we're looking at. 207 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,400 Aye, definitely, so... 208 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,120 All right, thanks a lot, Ally. 209 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,600 Cheers, bye. Bye. 210 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,960 There's almost kind of small amounts of 211 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:05,520 dilute blood down there, so this stage is really, really difficult, 212 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,920 to even interpret, you know, what's happened there. Erm... 213 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,080 But we'll get a plan, we'll get a forensic strategy meeting, 214 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,920 we'll get our specialists in, 215 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,480 and see how we're going to progress this. 216 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,800 Because at this point, you couldn't say that 217 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,960 there's been an act of violence within the house just now. 218 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,440 I got a phone call from a hospital in Glasgow, 219 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,320 and just said that Julie never 220 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,320 turned up for an appointment today. 221 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,000 And at that point, I never thought much of it, because I thought, 222 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,320 there'll be a phone call saying they've got her... 223 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,280 In a couple of days, that was my genuine thinking. Honest to God, 224 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,400 that was my thought, because that's... That was just Julie. 225 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,440 That was just Julie, so it was. That was Julie, no phoning me... Mm-hmm. 226 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,400 ..but she would eventually, you'd just lift the phone, it'd be her. 227 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,520 Hi, Mum. Quite the thing. There'd been nothing from the day before. 228 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,320 Ken, that's what Julie was like. Aye. Yeah. 229 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,680 The last phone call I got from Julie, 230 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,160 she told me that she was moving somebody in, 231 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:14,000 a lodger in, she's thinking of moving this lodger in, 232 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,600 and I disagreed with her. 233 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,120 I said it was wrong, it wasnae for her. 234 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,000 But she said, he comes from Penilee, 235 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,480 I know him, he's OK. And I said, 236 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:25,720 I think it's all wrong 237 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,400 and that you don't need this. 238 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,520 And she says, I'm not going with him. 239 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,760 I said, the noo. Mmm. 240 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,720 That's the answer I gave. 241 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,360 And she says, he could be my carer. 242 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,480 And I thought, oh, no, this is getting worse. 243 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,560 And she hung up, because I disagreed. Right. 244 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,160 And that was the last... That was the last time she spoke to you. 245 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:48,680 You're waking up in the morning 246 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,360 and you're opening your eyes up, it's normal and everything's 247 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,760 all right and that, and then the reality hits you... I know. 248 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,360 ..a hard punch right in the side of the heid. Basically, it does. 249 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,160 Everything you thought about the day before runs through your heid, 250 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,720 before the new stuff of this day 251 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,520 starts running through your heid. And... 252 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,080 what have I not thought about? As if that could be the answer to it. 253 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,640 I'm all right if one car door shuts. 254 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,520 If I hear two car doors shutting, 255 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,120 that's when I get up to the window. 256 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,080 I go and look out the window. 257 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,680 Mum, constantly, her head is going back to the last chat. 258 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,240 Julie had been in and out of relationships all her life. 259 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,040 And I think her mum had thought that she'd maybe just got herself 260 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:41,120 back on track and, in mum's eyes, off the drugs, you know, 261 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,240 the best she's ever been, engaging with the family again, the grandson. 262 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,240 And then the phone call about the lodger then, 263 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,800 that's that contact stopped. 264 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,200 And there's been nothing since then. 265 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,680 I think they're always going to have the question of, what if? 266 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,280 What if I'd maybe went to see her? 267 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,640 That's what's really got them. 268 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:11,800 Morning, folks. 269 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,280 OK, so, around the turn of the year - 270 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,160 and I don't have anything more specific than that, 271 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,840 it is around the turn of the year - 272 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,320 Julie becomes involved in a relationship with a male 273 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,680 by the name of Andrew Wallace. 274 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,040 That's the last report. Last confirmed sighting. 275 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,040 Aldi. Hazelwood West. 276 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,160 She's with the boy Wallace. 277 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,920 On 6th February, which was the last-known sighting, 278 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,160 Andrew Wallace sends a text stating that 279 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:08,680 he's going to carry out some form of scam on Julie, "On the QT. LOL". 280 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,800 So, he's preparing some form of scam on the day that she goes missing. 281 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,240 Here... 282 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,160 There's the boy Andrew Wallace... 283 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,600 ..who was living with the missing person at the time. 284 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,200 So, this is the 14th of February, Valentine's Day, 285 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,840 and he uses her card to buy stuff. 286 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,120 Could be a top-up for a phone, I don't know. 287 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,520 This is Aldi. 288 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,240 Hazelwood West. 289 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,080 So, that's her card, it's a fraudulent transaction. 290 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,120 He didn't buy any stuff, so you see him, he just skims it. 291 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:52,800 He's only buying up to a certain amount, 292 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,880 so he doesn't have to put a pin in. 293 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,920 He's interviewed in relation to the frauds 294 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,680 and he makes a no-comment interview. 295 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,240 It's a very short interview. 296 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,240 Andrew Wallace yesterday appeared on petition 297 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,880 at Glasgow Sheriff Court 298 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,000 and is remanded in custody in relation to a number of frauds, 299 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,600 and we've got a short period of time, as you know, 300 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,560 to work around what we've physically got. 301 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,360 Key time frame is essentially between 302 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:27,840 the 6th of February 303 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,880 and up to the 10th of February. 304 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,360 Between that time frame, 305 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:36,480 Andrew Wallace attends another male's home address, 306 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,280 and he's got scratches to the side of his face 307 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,120 and his hands and he's covered in blood. 308 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:45,640 He provides an explanation that, erm, 309 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,400 he was near to a roundabout on Govan Road 310 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,120 and that he was hit by a truck, 311 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:52,880 hit by the wing mirror of a truck, 312 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,280 and he rolled along the side of the truck. 313 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,920 But he goes into the bathroom and he washes the blood off himself, 314 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,720 his hands. And he looks at him after he's cleaned up, 315 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,600 he's got scratches on his face and on his hands. 316 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,600 So, that's the situation we're faced with right now. 317 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,680 We need to basically find her alive, 318 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,800 or prove that she's dead. 319 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,240 One of the two. 320 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,960 Mr Wallace is in custody, 321 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,880 in relation to fraud charges, concerning 322 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,920 the use of Julie's bank cards. 323 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,360 For me, it's started the clock ticking. 324 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:43,680 I have to look very carefully at 325 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,640 the decisions I'm going to make in relation to Mr Wallace. 326 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,840 There's risk, and that risk is 327 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,040 to the public - by not getting sufficiency of evidence 328 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,400 and the right time scales, 329 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,960 and potentially releasing an individual into the community 330 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:02,280 that you've got concerns about. 331 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,440 On first look in that property, 332 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,600 it's not obviously a murder scene. 333 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:22,560 I've got some drops of blood, 334 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,920 which are of Julie's. 335 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,800 It looks to be smeared, 336 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,520 potentially cleaned. 337 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,120 For me, that concerns me, 338 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:37,640 and that means that we need to do further 339 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,680 significant work at that scene to ascertain what's happened in there. 340 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,120 What number is this? Number five for carpet sample two. 341 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,640 So, what we might need to do is... 342 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,480 Oh, right. 343 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,920 Heavy staining there. 344 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,080 That shows you the amount of blood 345 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,480 that must've been on here. 346 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,320 Right, freeze, OK? 347 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:15,600 Just going to suspend it just now, because we've obviously got blood 348 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,920 seeping through the carpet, onto the floor, 349 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,840 underneath the carpets. 350 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,040 Basically, we've lifted part of 351 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,680 the carpet from the living room, er, 352 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,680 and it's soaked with blood underneath. 353 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,680 The blood seeped all the way through, 354 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:39,840 quite a lot of it, so... 355 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,560 I'm going to grid the living room 356 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,920 and lift all the carpets. 357 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,040 All right, no worries. 358 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,520 All right, I'll catch you soon. 359 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,480 Cheers. Bye-bye. Bye. 360 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,800 Just spoke with the SIO there, 361 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,000 just informing him of what we found there. 362 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,080 So, erm, we're going to continue and try and... 363 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,400 We're going to have to lift all the carpets in this house. 364 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,120 These are going to go up to Gartcosh, the mark enhancement lab. 365 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:12,360 Over and upright... 366 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:15,840 There'll be a camera directly above 367 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,120 and they'll do the luminol procedure, 368 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:19,840 which will give us a better idea of 369 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,400 what we're looking at. 370 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,560 So, a very interesting development, not one that I was expecting. 371 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,120 But nonetheless, we will deal with it. 372 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,600 Luminol is a chemical that is used 373 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,800 normally for detecting trace amounts 374 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,640 of blood, or dilute blood. 375 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,640 It's very useful in scenes where 376 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,960 there is a suggestion that blood has been cleaned up. 377 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,040 It reacts with the haemoglobin 378 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,440 in your blood. This gives off 379 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,240 a reaction in light, so we do it in darkness. 380 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,640 We spray an area, and if there's 381 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,240 blood staining present, you'll see 382 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,800 a very typical blue-white glow. 383 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,360 OK, so, whenever you're ready. Yep. 384 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,480 Just give us a... Let my eyes adjust a little second. 385 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,560 OK, I'm going to start now. 386 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,920 The initial results for the luminol 387 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,040 was quite shocking, actually. 388 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,520 I don't think we expected it. 389 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,160 So, there's the footprint there. 390 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,520 Do you see that in the middle, everyone? 391 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,920 Where the toes are. 392 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:58,680 You could see someone must have walked around 393 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,560 with blood on their feet. 394 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,280 It really just showed the extent of 395 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,560 how much blood was actually there. 396 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,360 I think they look like drag marks. 397 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,800 I think probably the best place to start 398 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,360 is just look at the luminol pictures. 399 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,120 So, hallway. 400 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,000 Pretty powerful stuff. 401 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,400 That's all areas of blood. 402 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,840 I've never seen anything like this. 403 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,200 Bathroom. 404 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,400 OK, it just gets worse. 405 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,560 That one, I think it tells you a story, eh? 406 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,400 I think we're as confident as we'll ever really be 407 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,480 as to what's actually happened in that location. 408 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,520 From here on, Andrew Wallace is now a suspect for murder. 409 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,200 We need to have in the back of our minds, we need to nail this 410 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,560 on the person who's done this, 411 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,160 all right? Because that's just... 412 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,640 that's as bad as I've seen. 413 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,920 The priorities are, I want to lift 414 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,400 the tiles in the bathroom first, 415 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,240 before we take the bath out. 416 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,080 I want to get the side panel off today, 417 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,600 and let's have a look at what's under the bath. 418 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,840 So, we've got to look at there'll be continuous water 419 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,360 going in there, so how far would any potential blood, 420 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,200 matter, bone, it could go all the way out. 421 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,760 In the washing machine, it'll be the waste pipe, 422 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,360 and I really want to have a real good look in that drum. 423 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,360 She's met her death in there. 424 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,280 She must have been brutalised in there, with that amount of blood. 425 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,880 Police said yesterday, they were treating 47-year-old 426 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,640 Miss Reilly from Govan's death as murder. 427 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,600 They were appealing for information about two suitcases 428 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,360 they say may contain evidence about what happened. 429 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,000 In relation to the suitcase, 430 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,240 a witness tells us that Mr Wallace 431 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,920 comes into his house and he's hauling 432 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,360 a large suitcase into the flat. 433 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,080 He asks him, what's in the suitcase? 434 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,080 And he says to him, erm, it's a deer. 435 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,200 I was out in a car with another named person and we hit a deer, 436 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,200 so we butchered the deer, 437 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,840 and the contents of the deer is in the suitcase. 438 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,840 My job is to explore that. 439 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,920 # ..Dear Tiona 440 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,320 # Happy birthday to you! # 441 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,600 Hip, hip, hooray! 442 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,640 Hip, hip, hooray! 443 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,000 Hip, hip, hooray! 444 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,360 THEY LAUGH 445 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,120 My mum was quite ill 446 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,160 with, like, drugs and stuff, 447 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,240 so my gran adopted me. 448 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,160 Since then, I don't really ever remember, like, being with my mum, 449 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,520 it was always my gran. Like, I've just grew up with my gran. 450 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,200 That's, I feel... 451 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,720 But she would always... 452 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,960 phone. 453 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,520 LAUGHTER 454 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,840 She would try and be somebody else. 455 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,280 And I would talk to my mum behind my gran's back for weeks, 456 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,080 and then be like, I'm sorry, Gran, I've been talking to my mum. 457 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,560 And that happened a few times 458 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,720 because I was always the one that was like... 459 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,320 ..would forgive her for everything. 460 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,720 I would always just be like, no, she's my mum, 461 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,840 I'm no caring if she's no spoke to me. 462 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,280 But then when I had Jax, I felt like 463 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,480 my view on it all changed, 464 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,040 because when you've got your own wean, you think, 465 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,920 how can anybody do that? 466 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,680 And for a bit, I did just resent her. 467 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,720 Because I thought, I've always just forgave you. 468 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,280 I've never really understood it from a mum's point of view. 469 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,440 So, I think I was quite cold with her 470 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,640 the past year or so of her life. I was... 471 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,320 I felt off. 472 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,000 I wish I'd never felt like that. 473 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,440 I feel like... 474 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,280 I just... I don't feel as if I've missed out. 475 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,520 Like, I have, obviously, but I feel so much worse for her, like... 476 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,200 She deserved some normality in life. 477 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,360 To be able to go out on days out with her grandson and her daughter 478 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,320 and stuff, she deserved that. She made big changes. 479 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,560 You just want somebody to... 480 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,720 You want a phone call to say, like, this is wrong, we're wrong. 481 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,920 Right, folks, before I go on any further, can I just introduce 482 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,960 two gentlemen, who have very kindly come from the National Crime Agency 483 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,720 up here to assist us in our inquiry. 484 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,800 These are the most difficult cases. 485 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,800 To be clear, since 2000, in Police Scotland, 486 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,720 there've only been four no-body murders, 487 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,000 so we're in pretty elevated territory 488 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,840 with the inquiry we're working on. 489 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,720 So, we take every bit of advice that we can. 490 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,280 I just really want to take 20 minutes to go over 491 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,080 the scene photographs with yourself. 492 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,280 Have a look at that. I don't actually think 493 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,440 there's a more powerful photograph. 494 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,520 This is all blood here. 495 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,200 And you can obviously see it 496 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,840 on the floor there as well. 497 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,080 So, am I right in saying, essentially, 498 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,480 what we're looking at is scratch marks in the bath? 499 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,200 Yeah, there was quite a lot of damage along the bath. 500 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,960 Aye, you see the horizontal scores? 501 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,880 It looks to me that a possible attack site 502 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,640 could be the living room, but finally went to the bathroom. 503 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,520 When you know it's going to get really messy, 504 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,360 where's the easiest place to clear up? The bathroom. The bathroom. 505 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,240 I think given the marks that are on the bath, 506 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,640 which could substantiate 507 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,080 if she's been dismembered 508 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,560 into smaller parts, bigger parts, it could be anything. 509 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,800 One thing we've found from experience is that 510 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,560 offenders, when they're faced with the, er, dismemberment aspect, 511 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,360 they don't appreciate just how difficult 512 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,560 it's going to be to do that. 513 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,360 But if that's taken place, then 514 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,360 it's either taken place because it's easier for disposal, 515 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,000 or there's an issue around identification. 516 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,760 It's quite horrific stuff to go around with a body in a suitcase, 517 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,160 or parts in a suitcase, or bloodstained articles in a suitcase. 518 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,480 For me, the key - and the key for your work right now - 519 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,000 is finding that suitcase. 520 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,960 At the moment, I think they're building two scenarios - 521 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,120 that the disposal is all in one place 522 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,120 and one large part of a body. 523 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,400 Maybe the head and hands cut off, 524 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,280 identification aspects, 525 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,240 or whether we're looking at 526 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,760 quite a number of small... Sites. 527 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,760 ..sites and, yeah... 528 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,040 It's horrendous. 529 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,120 So, this area is what we would call Govan. 530 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,800 Our suspect, is he born and bred round here? 531 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,280 He's certainly, he's been in this area for a while. 532 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,960 A few years. A few years, yeah. And his lifestyle, 533 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,880 unfortunately, is drug dealing. Yeah. So, he'll know this area. 534 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,520 You could argue that 535 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,120 it wouldn't be the most unnatural thing to see somebody 536 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,640 walking down the road with a suitcase. 537 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,920 There was an initial Cell Site assessment done 538 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,240 that brought the officers down to this location. 539 00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,520 So, it's an enormous area. 540 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:02,320 There's lots of kind of open stanks 541 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,520 and culverts and things in this sort of area. 542 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,080 That is the nearest point of relief, really, isn't it? Yeah. 543 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,560 If he's coming down here and he wants to get rid of that thing, 544 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,320 that's the obvious point to go and do it. 545 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,080 If you're going to put it in the water. 546 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,840 It's amazing how many desolate areas there are in the urban areas. 547 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,840 You start to go, you could hide something anywhere, couldn't you? 548 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,480 He says roughly one week before, Drew is in the flat with a suitcase. 549 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,600 They leave the flat and, as they open the front door 550 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,080 to his flat, which is on the second floor, 551 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,480 Drew Wallace is there. 552 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,920 Hasnae heard him chapping, but Drew Wallace is just standing there. 553 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,400 Apparently, they don't speak, going down the common close. 554 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,880 They get to the front door of the common close. 555 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,720 Drew Wallace says, 556 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,440 "I've murdered a cunt." 557 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,000 First thoughts are, why is he telling me this? 558 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,640 I don't really know this guy that well. 559 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,600 He says, "What the fuck's it got to do with me?!" 560 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,680 The next thing that Drew Wallace says 561 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,000 is something close to, "I need to get rid of a body." 562 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,520 He says, he might have been trying 563 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,560 to get me to help dispose of a body, 564 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,480 but he wasn't sure if he was serious 565 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,800 and he absolutely didn't want 566 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,920 anything to do with it, 567 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,520 so he walked away. 568 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,280 He said he was stressed, 569 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,480 dishevelled, 570 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,080 not his self-confident self. 571 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,200 Erm, just go over the verbals again. 572 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,560 So... 573 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,200 Verbal one, "I've murdered a cunt." 574 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,160 The next verbal is something close to, 575 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,240 "I need to get rid of a body." 576 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,920 He remains a witness, he's told us what he's told us. 577 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,360 It's satisfying from an investigative point of view, 578 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,840 but right now, the only thing you think about is the family. 579 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,680 That's the only thing you think about. It's not... 580 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,440 It's not a sense of euphoria. It's just the family, you know. 581 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,920 We've got, at some point in time, to go and tell them what we know, 582 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,760 so that's the thing that's right at the front of your mind right now. 583 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,200 I keep all these. 584 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,040 I used to look at them every day. 585 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,080 I just... I kind of saw most of the things you hear in the papers. 586 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:05,000 It's all rubbish but, unfortunately, I had to read the rubbish. 587 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,080 There she is, front page, 588 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,320 with a prince. 589 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,400 It's a great picture, too. 590 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,160 And she was just so vulnerable. 591 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,000 She would have opened her arms. It wouldn't have mattered 592 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,040 who you sent up there and chapped her door. 593 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,760 If somebody chapped her door and says, 594 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,760 "Hi, Julie, I'm here to be your pal and care for you and love you," 595 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,360 she would just have done that and put her wee arms out, 596 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,480 which anybody in her wee situation would have. 597 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,720 See, the not knowing, 598 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:43,800 that is frying my brain. 599 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,520 The things I've put in my head that's happened to her. 600 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,840 It cannae be that bad, it cannae be that bad. 601 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,480 But it can be. Huh! Aye, it can be. 602 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,800 There she is. 603 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,360 There we are. 604 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,640 It doesn't feel real. 605 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,920 Oh... I miss her bad, 606 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,200 so bad, so I do. 607 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,080 That wee face. How could you possibly do that to somebody?! 608 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,560 I'll miss her all the time, so I will. 609 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,200 God love her. 610 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,880 You've plotted the cell IDs for these calls 611 00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,960 and it's come back with these locations. Uh-huh. 612 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,960 Well, essentially, what we've got is 613 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,160 a record of the telephone's movements between certain times. 614 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,680 So, if that text message has gone... 615 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,480 ..that should be... that should be over there. 616 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:28,120 The phones generally tell a story. 617 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,040 Because we know that there's a suitcase goes to a witness's flat 618 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,800 on the 11th of February. But we also know that 619 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,040 he travels to an area that's 620 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,960 previously unseen in the inquiry, 621 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,760 on two occasions, Paisley Road West. 622 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,000 So, what we're able to say 623 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,160 is that at one point in time, 624 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,640 the suitcase is put in the boot of a car, 625 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,920 is taken to the area of my triangle, 626 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,040 and we don't see 627 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,920 the suitcase ever again. 628 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,200 There's an area of shops, 629 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,840 there are gardens, there are bins. 630 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,600 There's lots of things there that would be of real concern for me. 631 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,560 Do youse want to start down that side 632 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,240 and I'll get them to start the next street and the next one? 633 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,000 Just in case there's anything underneath that. 634 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,360 OK, quite happy with that. 635 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,680 That's fine. We're looking for... 636 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,400 A tan leather cover suitcase 637 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,320 and a royal navy blue suitcase is what we're looking for just now. 638 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,280 And as you can see from the area around here, 639 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,280 there's all sorts of stuff discarded in the back courts - from furniture, 640 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,920 mattresses, and the search team actually have found 641 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,480 two black suitcases disposed of 642 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,000 in a couple of under-the-stairs cupboards as well. 643 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,000 This is the first sector of what we have looked at 644 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,960 in an initial five sectors, so there's every possibility that, 645 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,760 as the search progresses, yeah, we could find 646 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,840 what we're actually looking for. 647 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,440 This is my wee book I have used 648 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,440 since my sister went missing. Er... 649 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,080 I like to keep all my wee notes in it, 650 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,520 but I also like to write my sister 651 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,600 a wee letter every morning, and my niece. 652 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,480 Julie's daughter, er, 653 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,200 we lost her to cot death in 1993. 654 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,080 But I like to write them both a wee letter every morning, 655 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,840 and then I know I've said to them 656 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,640 just exactly what I need to say to them. 657 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,240 "Not a good day yesterday for me, honey. 658 00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,400 I just can't get my head around the fact I won't see you again. 659 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,680 So unfair, what you had to suffer at the hands of that thing. 660 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,760 Mum's wee living room's nearly done. 661 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,480 Just the carpet this morning and her unit hopefully built. 662 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,360 How have you been since you left us, hen? 663 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,560 Is it better being with your angel daughter 664 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,040 and all those other angels? 665 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,680 I'm trying so hard to make life be normal, 666 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,280 but how can we do that if that thing, 667 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,120 who I don't have a name for, 668 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,360 won't let us have your angel, 669 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,400 so we can lay you to rest? 670 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:54,360 How can we not find these suitcases as well, hen? He knows, 671 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,360 so why can't he tell where they are? It could be the closure 672 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,080 that could help us, and so much Mum too, hen. 673 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,480 We just want to lay you to rest 674 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,480 so, please, all my angels and their friends, 675 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,760 please help us, so you can be at peace with your wee angel girl. 676 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,640 VOICE BREAKING: I'll speak to you both soon. 677 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,200 Keep smiling and shining bright, my diamonds. 678 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,840 I love you both so much." 679 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,040 It's obviously my opinion, but this suitcase looks like 680 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,680 it's been here, you know, a lesser period of time than everything, 681 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,000 all the other rubbish that's sitting about it. 682 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,800 There's a lot of stuff in here which is like 683 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,520 broken-up bits of furniture, 684 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,960 there's an old cooker, 685 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,200 and this suitcase is pretty much 686 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,280 tucked right into the corner. 687 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,160 It doesn't look damaged, really, at all. 688 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,000 Absolutely doesn't look like 689 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,520 it fits in with its current environment. 690 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,440 There's a black bin bag right underneath it, 691 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,520 so, is that foreign? Does that come with the suitcase as well? 692 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,400 It's a decent potential. Very similar to the description 693 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,120 of the bag that we've been passed by the witnesses. 694 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,040 It's old-fashioned, it's navy blue, 695 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,000 the dimensions are pretty similar. 696 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,400 The witnesses describe it having a handle in the middle. 697 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,880 This one matches the description. 698 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,320 It's probably like a lot of things in this inquiry, you don't know 699 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,800 what you've got until you get it back, you get it analysed. 700 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,040 Sorry, folks, this'll be quick. 701 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,600 This morning, over at 393 Paisley Road West, 702 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,160 Saturday lunchtime, they found a large blue suitcase. 703 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,080 It was the right shape, right size. 704 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,280 Campbell and Ally were doing some door-to-door in there, 705 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,480 and they happened to notice a very nervous guy, 706 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,200 who was shaking like a leaf and had actually forgotten that he'd put 707 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,160 the suitcase out there, so it bottoms out. The bottom line. 708 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,200 I think we're all under no illusions that we'll unfortunately prove 709 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,680 the death of Julie, but let's just not lose mind 710 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,160 or focus around. We need to build that picture up before it, 711 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,640 because that's the thing that will convict for murder. 712 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,600 On the phone that we know he was using on the day in question - 713 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,640 at 3:16 in the morning, 714 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,160 the device carries out a search for 715 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,320 "fast and effective knife strikes". 716 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,920 Erm, then later on that afternoon, 717 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,520 "killing someone with a knife". 718 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,160 And then on the 22nd of February, 719 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,720 he searches into 720 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,320 the Google Play Store for 721 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,720 "anti-tracker app". 722 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,760 His handset's got over three... 723 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,880 three-and-a-bit-thousand photographs on it. 724 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,600 There's numerous photographs of various types of hunting knives, 725 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,640 blood-soaked knives, knives that are clearly used to commit murder. 726 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,000 And a picture of a male 727 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,680 standing over a clearly dead woman, 728 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,920 in a domestic setting, with a bloodstained knife on the floor. 729 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,160 Numerous photographs of suitcases. 730 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,200 Looks like he searched for suitcases. 731 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,640 There's a picture of a medical procedure, which says on it, 732 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,960 "tibial bone cut with bone saw". 733 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,040 Erm, but can I tell you, 734 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,240 there's not an awful lot of neutral stuff in there. 735 00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,680 That is pretty much everything you see. 736 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,200 Erm, there's no, er, there's nothing about Celtic, 737 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,320 Partick Thistle, or anything else that you and I 738 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,960 would consider as being normal. 739 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,440 So, very, very, very strange and very, very concerning. 740 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,120 4287, er, free to speak, are you OK to speak? 741 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,520 VIA RADIO: Go ahead. 742 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,400 4287, I'm currently down at an incident 743 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,240 I don't know if you're aware of, at Ardshiel Road. 744 00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:57,480 A neighbour had come out and said to the cops, listen, 745 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,320 I think we've found what looks like a bone. 746 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,600 Would it be possible to arrange for IB to come down 747 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,960 for photograph purposes? 748 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,840 It's... It's a murder inquiry, 749 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,280 So it's kind of urgent, unfortunately. 750 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,800 We'll get IB we'll get his photograph, 751 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,680 but it's going to have to be... Yes, get it photographed, 752 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,080 get it recovered, get it to the mortuary. A post-mortem. 753 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,320 Aye, I sort of agree. OK, what size is this? 754 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,680 It's about that size. 755 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,960 Does it look like a bone, or a...? Er, potentially. 756 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,960 I know. We can't... I don't know. Aye, OK. 757 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,920 Right, OK, I'll need to make a couple of phone calls, 758 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,520 I'll need to get onto the media. I'm going to need to send Chris 759 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,880 down the road. Aye. I'll need to send Chris down the road. 760 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,600 I mean, the reason we've found this is because all the neighbours 761 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,840 have been talking about finding flesh and... Right. 762 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,280 ..missing persons. We could do with getting some DOs here, 763 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,000 start chapping doors, doing some door-to-door. I'll sort it out. 764 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,440 So that we can get a confirmation. Have you found anything 765 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,280 out your back? Aye, and let's have a look now. And let's have a look. 766 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,480 All right? OK? All right. Good plan? 767 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,080 Good. Great, thanks, guys. 768 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,720 PHONE RINGS 769 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:26,920 Hi, boss. Chris, how are you doing? Can you speak? Yeah. 770 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,360 So, the bottom line is, you're going to need to grab a neighbour, Chris, 771 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,480 and start heading down to Auchinleck. OK. 772 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,440 I want to update the family, 773 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,520 before the media starts to get hold of this... OK. 774 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,840 ..that there's been, erm, potential... 775 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,480 I'll need to think carefully about the words we're going to use, 776 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,400 but I don't want to use the phrase "body parts", 777 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:54,480 but there's been items found in garden areas in Govan 778 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,960 that are of concern to us. Yeah. We just need to tell them that 779 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,640 before the media start it, because there's going to be a lot of 780 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,400 forensic activity around about here, and I don't want two and two 781 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,160 to become nine. I just want to make sure that they're aware of that. 782 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,680 We're not saying it's Julie at this minute in time, 783 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,040 but you know what I'm saying, Chris, yeah? 784 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,520 I know what you're saying, aye. 785 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,720 The pathologist obviously won't commit to anything, but he says 786 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:35,800 before we've even looked and started it, he says it looks suspicious. 787 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,480 I think they're thinking 788 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,520 there's obviously somebody came through here, or... 789 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,080 I think it's more than likely an animal's picked it up 790 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,640 from whatever site and came through here. 791 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,120 But if it is her, then the rest of her's close by. 792 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,840 Obviously, we need to wait on the forensic activity. 793 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,320 Take every precaution that we can to recover 794 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,840 these articles and work out what their origin is, 795 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,320 and take it from there. 796 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,840 But the priority, as always has been in this inquiry, 797 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,280 it's always the family, and we need to make sure that 798 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,640 the family are looked after. It may not be Julie, 799 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,080 and I hope it isn't, but I would hate for them to find out 800 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,480 from some other source, as opposed to us, 801 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,960 so the family have to be my priority at this minute in time. 802 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,440 Well, there's more getting found. 803 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,960 There's ones you see further in. 804 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,240 Potentially, quite a lot. 805 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:50,680 However, there's bones there that you or I cannae... 806 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,600 We might think they're animal bones, but we don't know. 807 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,120 There's bones everywhere. 808 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,440 There's bones everywhere, mate. It's like a bone yard. 809 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,480 It's destroyed the family. 810 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,520 I've had to be strong. 811 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,320 I cannae... 812 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,520 I can't... 813 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,600 Aye, we're all ruined. 814 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,080 I hope he's happy. 815 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,680 I sit at night myself up, that's my time for sitting, 816 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,520 and that's when I think about it all. 817 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:57,360 I just wish she'd have listened to me. 818 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,440 Don't take him in. 819 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,320 It's a bad thing to do. 820 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,480 And she seemed happy. She did. 821 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,200 She would have looked after him. She'd have given him all the money. 822 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,160 He wouldn't have had to steal the money. Aye, I know that. 823 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,280 If he asked her for... She'd have gave him it all. 824 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,880 She wouldn't have hesitated. Never, she would. 825 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,960 She would have just given him everything. 826 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,040 And no see her ever again. 827 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,000 Never, ever to see her again. 828 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:38,680 How somebody could do that, I'll never know. No. 829 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,680 Never, never, never know. 830 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,040 Pretty horrific stuff, folks. 831 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,720 The article that was found at the pathway of 110, Ardshiel Road 832 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:58,320 has been confirmed by the pathologists as a human femur, 833 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:03,960 and DNA from that is confirmed as 834 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,320 Julie Reilly's leg. 835 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,920 I think we can all deduce from that 836 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,400 what that actually means, so... 837 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,840 it's, er, dreadfully sad for the family. 838 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,600 In terms of the investigation, 839 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,600 as a team, we pull together to get this case the best it can be, 840 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,960 so as we get Andrew Wallace through court and get him where he belongs. 841 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,600 It's destroyed my family, and it's never going to get any better. 842 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,560 But I'm not letting him take me. 843 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:52,200 He's took my sister, he's no taking me, and he's no taking my family. 844 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,200 We'll beat him, so we will. We'll have to do it without her, though, 845 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,760 but we will, I will, and we will. 846 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,880 One of the maintenance staff here at Braehead, 847 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,400 he'd observed what he thought to be 848 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,560 potentially a human skull in the water. 849 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,480 Chopped up... God, it's horrible! 850 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,960 You just don't want this to be memory, like. 851 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,960 You don't want to think of my mum and think of this. 852 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,160 To a certain extent, it all culminates in 853 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,360 what's going to happen in the next few hours, 854 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,160 and it's not lost on any of us. 855 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,440 Tell me your involvement, if any, 856 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,800 in the murder of Julie Reilly. 857 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,280 Zero emotion. 858 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,880 I'm now showing you a photograph... 859 00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,480 of remains. 860 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,440 Getting wound up. Yep. Here we go. 861 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,560 I'm starting to get pissed off, I am... Do you need a wee rest? 862 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,840 You need to get through this. Do you want a break? No, on you go. 863 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,160 My view is that Mr Wallace's defence 864 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,520 will be that Julie committed suicide, 865 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,600 but we'll let the jury make their minds up. 866 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,920 You need to do the honourable thing, Mr Wallace. I'd ask you 867 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,560 and I'd plead with you, tell me where Julie is. 71878

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