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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.SubtitleDB.org today 2 00:00:12,590 --> 00:00:16,828 In 2011, the Arab Spring Revolutions swept across the Middle East; 3 00:00:18,649 --> 00:00:21,387 From Tunisia to Egypt, Bahrain, and Syria. 4 00:00:23,829 --> 00:00:27,281 For more than 50 years, a quiet American scholar 5 00:00:27,358 --> 00:00:30,368 has been helping people bring down their dictators. 6 00:00:31,906 --> 00:00:35,065 His tactics of nonviolent resistance have been used 7 00:00:35,066 --> 00:00:38,224 in revolutions from Serbia to Ukraine and Iran. 8 00:00:42,682 --> 00:00:48,402 To be counted as a threat to a tyrant is a matter of pride, I would say. 9 00:00:48,441 --> 00:00:51,396 It means we're effective. It means we're relevant. 10 00:00:52,795 --> 00:00:56,405 This is the story of the power of people to change their world, 11 00:00:56,557 --> 00:00:59,631 the modern revolution, and the man behind it all. 12 00:01:00,152 --> 00:01:03,602 Gene Sharp's tactics and theories are being 13 00:01:03,603 --> 00:01:07,052 practiced on the streets of Syria as we speak now. 14 00:01:10,052 --> 00:01:13,629 My name is Gene Sharp, and this is the work I do. 15 00:01:14,488 --> 00:01:17,833 How To Start A Revolution 16 00:01:30,568 --> 00:01:32,686 Boston, Massachusetts. 17 00:01:32,875 --> 00:01:34,962 - What do you do? How would you describe your work? 18 00:01:35,027 --> 00:01:37,789 - Oh, that's always a problem, describing my work. 19 00:01:38,917 --> 00:01:43,099 Primarily, I try to understand 20 00:01:43,695 --> 00:01:48,386 the nature and potential of nonviolent forms of struggle 21 00:01:48,832 --> 00:01:50,729 to undermine dictatorships. 22 00:01:51,221 --> 00:01:54,046 This is a technique of combat. 23 00:01:55,639 --> 00:01:59,730 It is a substitute for war, and other violence. 24 00:02:03,685 --> 00:02:07,272 His handbook to revolution –From Dictatorship to Democracy– 25 00:02:07,502 --> 00:02:09,634 has been smuggled across borders and 26 00:02:09,635 --> 00:02:11,766 downloaded hundreds of thousands of times. 27 00:02:12,637 --> 00:02:14,311 We don't know quite how it's read, 28 00:02:14,312 --> 00:02:17,778 but it certainly did into 30 some languages 29 00:02:17,779 --> 00:02:21,244 in different parts of the world, 30 00:02:22,136 --> 00:02:24,328 on all continents except Antarctica. 31 00:02:24,646 --> 00:02:26,954 The hallmarks of Gene Sharp's work can be 32 00:02:26,955 --> 00:02:29,262 seen in revolutions all over the world. 33 00:02:29,482 --> 00:02:30,996 Colors and symbols 34 00:02:40,443 --> 00:02:41,942 signs in English 35 00:02:48,146 --> 00:02:49,707 civil disobedience 36 00:02:54,449 --> 00:02:55,959 and commitment to nonviolent action. 37 00:03:07,335 --> 00:03:12,200 Gene's books contain a list of 198 nonviolent methods of resistance. 38 00:03:13,419 --> 00:03:16,490 Oh, the famous 198 methods. 39 00:03:16,641 --> 00:03:22,538 There seems to have been an extraordinary response. 40 00:03:23,650 --> 00:03:27,919 That's simply the 198 specific methods. 41 00:03:28,864 --> 00:03:33,674 These specific forms of abstract are economic boycott, 42 00:03:34,150 --> 00:03:36,630 are civil disobedience, are protests. 43 00:03:40,346 --> 00:03:43,536 Exactly the counterpart of military, 44 00:03:43,537 --> 00:03:46,726 different kinds of military guns or bombs, 45 00:03:47,052 --> 00:03:48,869 any military struggle. 46 00:03:57,491 --> 00:04:00,690 Unless they have something instead of violence and war, 47 00:04:01,254 --> 00:04:04,047 they will go back with violence and war every time. 48 00:04:05,385 --> 00:04:09,321 In 1983, Gene Sharp founded the Albert Einstein Institution 49 00:04:09,615 --> 00:04:12,019 to spread the knowledge of nonviolent struggle. 50 00:04:13,390 --> 00:04:15,868 For years, people living under dictatorships 51 00:04:15,869 --> 00:04:18,345 have been coming here to East Boston for help. 52 00:04:20,662 --> 00:04:23,749 Jamila Raqib has worked for Gene for more than 10 years. 53 00:04:24,607 --> 00:04:28,076 I began learning about the work at a very basic level. 54 00:04:28,077 --> 00:04:29,871 I did most of my reading and learning as 55 00:04:29,872 --> 00:04:31,664 soon as I started working at the institution 56 00:04:32,179 --> 00:04:34,250 and I was hooked. 57 00:04:39,388 --> 00:04:41,523 I didn't start out to do this. 58 00:04:43,381 --> 00:04:47,539 I had a religious background that 59 00:04:47,777 --> 00:04:50,199 led me to want to leave the world in a bit 60 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,620 of a better place and better condition 61 00:04:52,842 --> 00:04:54,231 than when I came here, 62 00:04:54,436 --> 00:04:57,746 and how to do that was always a problem. 63 00:05:01,404 --> 00:05:03,794 Korean war, 1950-1953. 64 00:05:04,214 --> 00:05:07,135 In 1953, Gene was sent to jail for refusing 65 00:05:07,136 --> 00:05:10,055 conscription to fight in the Korean War. 66 00:05:11,020 --> 00:05:15,712 I had a two-year sentence. I did nine months and ten days. 67 00:05:16,449 --> 00:05:19,690 In those days you counted the days as well as the month, 68 00:05:20,491 --> 00:05:24,197 but I don't think that my action there did any good whatsoever. 69 00:05:24,775 --> 00:05:28,743 It was just to keep my sense of my own integrity 70 00:05:28,932 --> 00:05:32,563 so I would carry on in the work that I thought was really important. 71 00:05:34,910 --> 00:05:36,616 I never met Einstein, 72 00:05:37,113 --> 00:05:41,307 but I wrote to him. I don't know how I got his address. 73 00:05:41,363 --> 00:05:45,045 I said: “Well, I'm about to do such and such and go to prison, 74 00:05:45,612 --> 00:05:49,510 but by the way I've written this book on Gandhi 75 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:53,904 three quite different cases from each other 76 00:05:54,396 --> 00:05:58,435 about Gandhi's using nonviolent struggle for a greater freedom 77 00:05:58,436 --> 00:06:01,203 through just nonviolent means.” 78 00:06:02,084 --> 00:06:08,871 And he wrote back that he was very much hoped, but couldn't know 79 00:06:09,077 --> 00:06:11,986 that he would have made the same decision I did 80 00:06:12,566 --> 00:06:15,398 and he would be willing to look at the manuscript 81 00:06:15,768 --> 00:06:19,268 which I had sent to him, and he did so and 82 00:06:19,269 --> 00:06:22,768 wrote a very kind introduction to the book. 83 00:06:24,769 --> 00:06:26,769 Oxford University. 84 00:06:26,939 --> 00:06:30,359 While studying at Oxford, Gene had his Eureka moment 85 00:06:30,669 --> 00:06:34,303 a new analysis of the power of people to bring down a tyrant. 86 00:06:34,970 --> 00:06:40,303 If you can identify the sources of a government's power, 87 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,968 such as legitimacy, 88 00:06:43,716 --> 00:06:45,620 such as popular support, 89 00:06:46,245 --> 00:06:48,173 such as the institutional support, 90 00:06:48,443 --> 00:06:54,091 and then you know on what that dictatorship depends for its existence. 91 00:06:54,562 --> 00:06:58,442 And since all those sources of power are dependent upon the good will 92 00:06:58,613 --> 00:07:03,274 co-operation, obedience, and help of people and institutions, 93 00:07:03,899 --> 00:07:05,970 then your job becomes fairly simple. 94 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:09,142 All you have to do is shrink that support, 95 00:07:09,292 --> 00:07:12,875 and that legitimacy, that co-operation, that obedience, 96 00:07:13,141 --> 00:07:14,720 and the regime will be weakened, 97 00:07:15,107 --> 00:07:18,752 and if you can take those sources far away, the regime will fall. 98 00:07:19,001 --> 00:07:20,905 - And how did you feel at that point? 99 00:07:20,977 --> 00:07:24,096 - At the point, that Eureka point? 100 00:07:24,152 --> 00:07:24,776 - Yeah. 101 00:07:25,435 --> 00:07:27,284 - Oh, greatly relieved. 102 00:07:27,919 --> 00:07:32,908 - Greatly relieved, because that's what made it all reality. 103 00:07:34,629 --> 00:07:37,391 Harvard University. 104 00:07:38,581 --> 00:07:41,062 While teaching his theories at Harvard, Gene was 105 00:07:41,063 --> 00:07:43,543 about to meet an unlikely champion of his work 106 00:07:44,004 --> 00:07:46,673 Vietnam War hero, Colonel Bob Helvey. 107 00:07:46,979 --> 00:07:49,566 I first met Gene Sharp at Harvard University. 108 00:07:49,567 --> 00:07:52,883 I was an Army Senior Fellow up there for a year, 109 00:07:53,563 --> 00:07:58,475 and one day I saw a notice on the bulletin board 110 00:07:58,814 --> 00:08:03,178 about a program for nonviolent sanctions at two o'clock this afternoon. 111 00:08:04,232 --> 00:08:08,772 So I had nothing to do, so I went to see who these peace necks were 112 00:08:09,643 --> 00:08:14,055 and to confirm my preconceived notion 113 00:08:14,334 --> 00:08:18,771 that they probably had rings in their noses and ears 114 00:08:19,509 --> 00:08:21,040 and dirty. 115 00:08:22,187 --> 00:08:24,678 And so I went up there just to see them 116 00:08:25,599 --> 00:08:28,663 and surprisingly they weren't there. 117 00:08:29,414 --> 00:08:33,745 I saw regular looking people there. 118 00:08:34,271 --> 00:08:37,313 And a few minutes after we all sat down 119 00:08:37,598 --> 00:08:43,519 this little short, soft-spoken gentleman comes to the front of the room and says: 120 00:08:43,862 --> 00:08:45,393 "My name is Gene Sharp 121 00:08:46,203 --> 00:08:51,349 and we're here today to discuss how to seize political power 122 00:08:51,778 --> 00:08:53,809 and deny it to others.” 123 00:08:54,174 --> 00:08:57,158 I say nonviolent struggle is armed struggle, 124 00:08:58,546 --> 00:09:02,157 and we have to take back that term from those advocates of violence 125 00:09:02,158 --> 00:09:04,609 who try to justify with pretty words 126 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,919 that kind of combat. 127 00:09:08,523 --> 00:09:12,944 Only with this type of struggle, one fights with psychological weapons, 128 00:09:13,380 --> 00:09:15,724 social weapons, economic weapons, 129 00:09:15,994 --> 00:09:17,573 and political weapons, 130 00:09:18,121 --> 00:09:22,822 and this is ultimately more powerful against oppression, 131 00:09:23,140 --> 00:09:26,552 injustice, and tyranny than is violence. 132 00:09:27,266 --> 00:09:29,198 That got my attention. 133 00:09:40,051 --> 00:09:43,954 This is the flag of the 5th Battalion, 7th United States Cavalry. 134 00:09:44,864 --> 00:09:51,090 The 7th Cav, as you know, was the Regiment of General Armstrong Custer, 135 00:09:52,027 --> 00:09:55,185 who fought and died at the battle of Little Big Horn. 136 00:09:56,217 --> 00:09:58,304 That's me in my younger days. 137 00:09:59,591 --> 00:10:01,593 A full head of hair. 138 00:10:04,162 --> 00:10:10,740 This is the award for the Distinguished Service Cross, that I got in Vietnam. 139 00:10:16,261 --> 00:10:17,108 Vietnam, 1968. 140 00:10:17,125 --> 00:10:20,355 In 1968, Bob was deployed in Vietnam. 141 00:10:20,792 --> 00:10:24,341 He was decorated for bravery during a Vietcong ambush. 142 00:10:24,515 --> 00:10:26,825 But his experiences there would change his 143 00:10:26,826 --> 00:10:29,135 views on the way conflicts should be waged. 144 00:10:29,349 --> 00:10:35,267 I think Vietnam influenced my view about the importance of nonviolent struggle, 145 00:10:35,807 --> 00:10:38,647 and particularly the importance of getting Gene 146 00:10:38,648 --> 00:10:41,486 Sharp's ideas out to the rest of the world, 147 00:10:41,964 --> 00:10:44,716 because we must have an alternative. 148 00:10:44,907 --> 00:10:50,094 Vietnam convinced me that we need to have an alternative to killing people. 149 00:10:51,412 --> 00:10:52,920 Burma, 1992. 150 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:55,187 As a US defense official in Burma, 151 00:10:55,409 --> 00:10:57,815 Bob had seen the military dictatorship 152 00:10:57,816 --> 00:11:00,220 there, persecute the minority Karen people. 153 00:11:00,910 --> 00:11:02,170 After leaving the army, 154 00:11:02,361 --> 00:11:05,151 Bob traveled back to the rebel camps to teach the 155 00:11:05,152 --> 00:11:07,941 Karen Gene's lessons in nonviolent resistance. 156 00:11:08,369 --> 00:11:11,457 I was talking to one of the Karen Commandos 157 00:11:13,329 --> 00:11:16,562 and he says: “Where in the hell has this information been? 158 00:11:17,102 --> 00:11:20,514 We've been fighting and killing people for 20 years. 159 00:11:21,411 --> 00:11:23,095 How come we didn't know this?”. 160 00:11:25,055 --> 00:11:27,975 Some of the Burmese came up to him and asked 161 00:11:28,205 --> 00:11:31,705 if he would write something for the Burmese on 162 00:11:31,706 --> 00:11:35,205 how to move from a dictatorship to a democracy. 163 00:11:36,824 --> 00:11:39,255 That's the origin of why the book was written: 164 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:40,803 The Burmese. 165 00:11:41,081 --> 00:11:44,874 I couldn't write about Burma honestly, because I didn't know Burma well, 166 00:11:45,470 --> 00:11:49,879 and he said not to write about something you don't know anything about, 167 00:11:51,347 --> 00:11:53,188 so I had to write generically. 168 00:11:53,943 --> 00:12:00,038 If there was a movement that wanted to bring a dictatorship to an end, 169 00:12:00,490 --> 00:12:01,997 how could they do it? 170 00:12:03,565 --> 00:12:05,604 And so I wrote those theories, 171 00:12:05,795 --> 00:12:08,013 and they were serialized there, 172 00:12:08,708 --> 00:12:12,086 and published in English and in Burmese, 173 00:12:12,919 --> 00:12:14,752 and I thought that was it. 174 00:12:21,763 --> 00:12:24,533 In 1989, Gene traveled to China at the height 175 00:12:24,534 --> 00:12:27,303 of the demonstrations in Tiananmen Square. 176 00:12:27,328 --> 00:12:28,322 Tiananmen Square, 1989. 177 00:12:28,323 --> 00:12:31,849 It would shape his views about the importance of planning and strategy. 178 00:12:32,267 --> 00:12:35,851 Lesson 1: Plan a Strategy. 179 00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:37,997 I'd gone to Beijing 180 00:12:39,005 --> 00:12:42,100 after the Tiananmen Square protests were well underway. 181 00:12:42,558 --> 00:12:47,113 That whole event, which it should be remembered, was not just in Beijing 182 00:12:47,408 --> 00:12:51,859 but reportedly in 350 other cities of China, 183 00:12:52,352 --> 00:12:54,232 similar protests were going on. 184 00:12:54,685 --> 00:12:58,097 But they were not planned. They were not prepared. 185 00:12:58,291 --> 00:13:00,264 There was no strategic decision. 186 00:13:00,735 --> 00:13:03,336 There was no advanced decision how long you 187 00:13:03,337 --> 00:13:05,937 stay in the square and when you leave. 188 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,906 The students had no plan. 189 00:13:09,154 --> 00:13:11,867 They were improvising all the way through, 190 00:13:12,145 --> 00:13:14,276 and later on we know that many of those 191 00:13:14,277 --> 00:13:16,407 Chinese people who were out on the streets, 192 00:13:16,859 --> 00:13:21,969 in another day, were shot and killed. 193 00:13:24,052 --> 00:13:26,758 The attitude that you simply improvise 194 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:32,902 and improvisation will bring you greater success is nonsense. 195 00:13:33,137 --> 00:13:34,700 Exactly the opposite. 196 00:13:35,074 --> 00:13:37,276 That if you don't know what you're doing, 197 00:13:37,277 --> 00:13:39,478 you're likely to get into big trouble. 198 00:13:45,755 --> 00:13:47,509 Serbia, 2000. 199 00:13:47,643 --> 00:13:50,295 The government of Slobodan Milosevic, in Serbia, 200 00:13:50,296 --> 00:13:55,037 presided over years of crimes against humanity and brutal internal repression. 201 00:13:56,674 --> 00:13:59,142 The regime fueled the creation of new democracy 202 00:13:59,143 --> 00:14:01,610 groups in the country fighting, for his removal. 203 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:08,725 I went to Budapest at the request of the International Republican Institute, 204 00:14:09,265 --> 00:14:13,416 which was providing support to the Serbian Opposition Movement, 205 00:14:14,027 --> 00:14:18,641 and one particular part of that opposition movement was Otpor. 206 00:14:19,054 --> 00:14:22,032 That's a Serbian word for resistance. 207 00:14:22,291 --> 00:14:26,513 He's a retired colonel, and he has this type of military approach, 208 00:14:26,896 --> 00:14:30,135 and the way he speaks is really something that 209 00:14:30,136 --> 00:14:33,788 creates a strange impression with a bunch of student leaders. 210 00:14:33,833 --> 00:14:36,912 We talked for a while, and I said: “Well, there's something missing here. 211 00:14:37,381 --> 00:14:41,881 We haven't talked about who's leader of this organization. 212 00:14:42,046 --> 00:14:43,015 Who is the leader?”. 213 00:14:43,579 --> 00:14:45,420 And then one guy said: “We don't have a leader.” 214 00:14:47,103 --> 00:14:49,772 And I said: “Well, wait a minute guys. I did not 215 00:14:49,773 --> 00:14:52,440 fall off the turnip truck coming over here. 216 00:14:53,532 --> 00:14:56,680 Somebody has to lead an organization that 217 00:14:56,681 --> 00:14:59,827 has mobilized the entire Serbian society.” 218 00:15:00,486 --> 00:15:05,486 So we spent probably one hour fooling him about some stuff, 219 00:15:05,930 --> 00:15:08,962 and the reason for this was that we were not 220 00:15:08,963 --> 00:15:11,993 very comfortable about giving the details 221 00:15:11,994 --> 00:15:15,203 about the organization to the foreigner. 222 00:15:15,671 --> 00:15:21,195 And then they explained to me, why there's no quote “leader”. 223 00:15:21,704 --> 00:15:26,288 To keep it away from the government. The government doesn't know who's in charge. 224 00:15:27,227 --> 00:15:30,065 And I later found out I was talking to the leader, 225 00:15:31,446 --> 00:15:32,834 Srdja Popovic. 226 00:15:33,831 --> 00:15:36,718 Belgrade 227 00:15:37,545 --> 00:15:41,987 Bob began teaching Gene Sharp's lessons to the new Serbian revolutionaries. 228 00:15:42,566 --> 00:15:45,322 When Bob Helvey gave us the Gene Sharp's politics 229 00:15:45,323 --> 00:15:48,077 of nonviolent action, we were quite amazed. 230 00:15:48,078 --> 00:15:51,412 Partly I was ashamed that I didn't know about such a book before, 231 00:15:51,593 --> 00:15:55,490 even if there was a translation of From Dictatorship to Democracy in Serbian, 232 00:15:55,571 --> 00:15:56,959 but I had never seen it. 233 00:15:57,081 --> 00:15:59,391 And seeing the knowledge of how power operates, 234 00:15:59,392 --> 00:16:01,700 and pillars of the support operates, 235 00:16:01,778 --> 00:16:06,608 and all this stuff, we needed to learn the hard way throughout our experience 236 00:16:07,482 --> 00:16:11,101 written systematically on one place was quite an amazing thing. 237 00:16:14,783 --> 00:16:17,582 One of Otpor's first tasks was to create a 238 00:16:17,583 --> 00:16:20,380 symbol of resistance to help unify the people. 239 00:16:20,714 --> 00:16:22,476 It's obvious that we are a majority. 240 00:16:22,477 --> 00:16:26,401 If we can just recognize all of those who are against Milosevic 241 00:16:26,402 --> 00:16:29,902 by saluting each other with a fist, he 242 00:16:29,903 --> 00:16:33,402 would probably be over within a few years. 243 00:16:37,693 --> 00:16:41,621 Lesson 2: Overcome "Atomisation" 244 00:16:41,906 --> 00:16:43,628 “Atomisation” is 245 00:16:45,737 --> 00:16:52,030 when a regime attempts to make every individual in this society 246 00:16:52,347 --> 00:16:53,950 an isolated unit. 247 00:16:54,967 --> 00:16:58,370 It's one of the main ways that took over their 248 00:16:58,371 --> 00:17:01,772 systems, seek to control their populations, 249 00:17:02,310 --> 00:17:08,424 make them all fear each other, fearing to speak out and to act together, 250 00:17:08,425 --> 00:17:11,090 never telling your neighbor or even sometimes 251 00:17:11,091 --> 00:17:13,755 a family member what you really think. 252 00:17:14,961 --> 00:17:17,616 By seeing the example of the demonstration 253 00:17:17,617 --> 00:17:20,271 and bravery by other people: 254 00:17:21,266 --> 00:17:27,765 Now it's "we", now it's "we", and we can do something that I alone could not. 255 00:17:30,991 --> 00:17:35,059 During the 96-97, we were walking day after day after day, 256 00:17:35,071 --> 00:17:37,991 and the police was walking streets, and our numbers would start falling 257 00:17:37,992 --> 00:17:40,329 because it was obviously too boring for the 258 00:17:40,330 --> 00:17:42,666 people to demonstrate every day in harsh winter. 259 00:17:43,070 --> 00:17:45,765 So we said: “Okay, why won't we go home and 260 00:17:45,766 --> 00:17:48,460 try to make noise from our balconies.” 261 00:17:52,328 --> 00:17:57,719 We were doing it from 7:30 until 8:00 pm, as a response to the state TV news. 262 00:17:57,929 --> 00:18:02,159 That was the answer... we don't watch your crap. 263 00:18:02,469 --> 00:18:03,548 We do our own thing. 264 00:18:05,785 --> 00:18:08,088 From the pots and pans to doing the stickers, 265 00:18:08,089 --> 00:18:10,391 so the stickers can be doing in every building, 266 00:18:10,603 --> 00:18:12,531 and also the things like, 267 00:18:12,674 --> 00:18:17,046 “Will you go and prosecute the kids for wearing Otpor t-shirts 268 00:18:17,047 --> 00:18:22,309 when there is not one single law which bans wearing anything on a t-shirt?”. 269 00:18:27,529 --> 00:18:31,021 So for the policemen, getting inside high schools 270 00:18:31,187 --> 00:18:34,528 and arresting high school kids only because they were wearing the t-shirt, 271 00:18:34,703 --> 00:18:37,663 and then going home and talking to their wife 272 00:18:37,790 --> 00:18:41,576 whose friend was complaining because her son was arrested. 273 00:18:42,617 --> 00:18:45,998 Getting a dialogue of your kids was coming now from his school 274 00:18:45,999 --> 00:18:48,568 where nobody wants to spend time with him or her 275 00:18:48,659 --> 00:18:52,348 because their father is now beating kids from my neighborhood. 276 00:18:52,514 --> 00:18:56,913 And now, this systemic oppression doesn't work. 277 00:18:57,363 --> 00:19:00,860 Lesson 3: Pillars of Support. 278 00:19:01,155 --> 00:19:03,409 These pillars are holding up the government, 279 00:19:03,410 --> 00:19:05,663 like my fingers are holding up this book, 280 00:19:06,455 --> 00:19:10,295 and I developed a strategy to undermine each of those pillars: 281 00:19:10,296 --> 00:19:11,272 The police, 282 00:19:12,205 --> 00:19:17,088 the [???], the religious institutions, the workers, 283 00:19:17,533 --> 00:19:20,344 whatever, every organization. 284 00:19:20,907 --> 00:19:25,835 And as they weaken and start to collapse, the government will collapse 285 00:19:27,603 --> 00:19:29,278 when those pillars are broken. 286 00:19:30,532 --> 00:19:35,300 Ideally we want those pillars not destroyed, 287 00:19:35,824 --> 00:19:40,179 but transferred over to the democratic movement. 288 00:19:40,491 --> 00:19:43,928 If you want these pillars to shift sides, you need to co-opt people. 289 00:19:44,067 --> 00:19:45,948 It's exactly what Otpor has done. 290 00:19:46,115 --> 00:19:50,573 We were telling the police that we are both victims of the same system. 291 00:19:50,660 --> 00:19:54,168 There is no reason to have war between victims and victims. 292 00:19:54,256 --> 00:19:58,205 One of the victims wear blue uniforms, Other victims wear blue jeans, 293 00:19:58,261 --> 00:20:00,298 but there is no reason for this conflict. 294 00:20:00,594 --> 00:20:02,566 And this worked, really worked. 295 00:20:02,567 --> 00:20:04,638 And it worked in Georgia. It worked in Ukraine. 296 00:20:04,733 --> 00:20:06,424 It worked in many other places in the world. 297 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:07,853 This is the way you do. 298 00:20:07,952 --> 00:20:10,518 You go and co-opt from this course of pillars. 299 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:13,083 You don't throw stones at the police. 300 00:20:19,563 --> 00:20:22,976 Lesson 4: Resist Violence. 301 00:20:23,189 --> 00:20:28,101 The many people in conflict situations that would like to use violence, 302 00:20:28,102 --> 00:20:30,799 but their opponents really have more 303 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,496 military weapons and weapons of violence, 304 00:20:33,788 --> 00:20:36,177 usually physical weapons, 305 00:20:37,026 --> 00:20:39,430 than the potential resistors have, 306 00:20:39,923 --> 00:20:42,962 the resistors choose to fight with violence. 307 00:20:44,266 --> 00:20:47,171 Their opponent has all the advantages in that 308 00:20:47,172 --> 00:20:50,075 situation because you're choosing to fight 309 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,176 with your opponent's best weapons. 310 00:20:53,052 --> 00:20:55,977 But you can choose to fight with a totally different 311 00:20:55,978 --> 00:20:58,901 kind of weapon in these nonviolent forms, 312 00:20:59,163 --> 00:21:01,834 which are much more difficult for the opponent to counteract. 313 00:21:07,496 --> 00:21:11,353 Big concentration tactics are very difficult to control. 314 00:21:12,423 --> 00:21:15,142 You have 20,000 peaceful demonstrators 315 00:21:15,422 --> 00:21:17,207 and one idiot breaking out a window. 316 00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:19,310 These people got all the media. 317 00:21:20,111 --> 00:21:23,912 So this is the message which can efficiently undermine your movement. 318 00:21:29,516 --> 00:21:33,186 You would go on a march and there is a risk of the people getting arrested, 319 00:21:33,251 --> 00:21:34,592 so what would you normally do? 320 00:21:34,902 --> 00:21:37,310 Instead of putting the big guys in front, 321 00:21:37,795 --> 00:21:40,453 you will put the girls in front, 322 00:21:42,242 --> 00:21:44,622 you will put the grandmas in front, 323 00:21:45,729 --> 00:21:47,768 you will put the military veterans in front. 324 00:21:47,845 --> 00:21:51,086 So the police is now faced with the friendly faces. 325 00:21:54,415 --> 00:21:59,605 And these people are actually carrying the flowers and the banners and smiling, 326 00:21:59,683 --> 00:22:02,779 so you make the situation less threatening, 327 00:22:03,078 --> 00:22:07,189 so you make the possibility of a violent outcome very small. 328 00:22:07,984 --> 00:22:13,142 October the 5th should be seen in the context of successful strategy, 329 00:22:13,143 --> 00:22:16,992 and that was not the day like many spectators or media, like CNN. 330 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,043 They just see it as a big bunch of people, 331 00:22:19,044 --> 00:22:20,967 revolution, boom, and it's all over. 332 00:22:21,294 --> 00:22:23,719 It was, first of all, ten years of attempts and failures, 333 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,302 and two years of resistance of Otpor, five different campaigns, 334 00:22:28,222 --> 00:22:30,570 and we were setting the victory on the elections. 335 00:22:30,939 --> 00:22:32,296 Serbian National Election September 2000. 336 00:22:32,336 --> 00:22:35,332 In September 2000, Serbia went to the polls. 337 00:22:35,796 --> 00:22:38,826 But Otpor expected Milosevic would fix the election. 338 00:22:39,445 --> 00:22:41,658 We knew that Milosevic will lose, 339 00:22:41,917 --> 00:22:46,130 and we knew that he will not accept the fact that he has lost. 340 00:22:50,873 --> 00:22:56,190 So around 3 pm, you hear like two to 300,000 people on the square, 341 00:22:56,349 --> 00:22:59,900 and there was a nonviolent takeover of the physically of this building. 342 00:23:33,085 --> 00:23:36,958 And this is where the people who broke into the building, on October the 5th, 343 00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:40,791 found many leaflets pre-marked for Milosevic. 344 00:23:40,838 --> 00:23:43,820 So this is where, actually the physical cheat was 345 00:23:43,821 --> 00:23:46,801 taking place on the second floor of this building. 346 00:23:59,908 --> 00:24:02,082 It was more like a symbolic takeover, 347 00:24:02,622 --> 00:24:07,641 because what was the real takeover was that Milosevic lost power that day, 348 00:24:08,212 --> 00:24:09,706 because police disobeyed, 349 00:24:09,707 --> 00:24:12,092 because he ordered the military to get through 350 00:24:12,093 --> 00:24:14,476 the barracks after 3 pm and they disobeyed. 351 00:24:14,729 --> 00:24:16,332 This is where he lost the power. 352 00:24:16,507 --> 00:24:20,182 What you are looking at on the TV and physical overtaking of the building, 353 00:24:20,301 --> 00:24:23,848 was just a symbol of him, losing authority that day. 354 00:24:35,858 --> 00:24:38,958 I think what we learned from Bob and what comes 355 00:24:38,959 --> 00:24:42,057 and derives from Gene Sharp thinking and writing, 356 00:24:42,058 --> 00:24:43,413 influenced the way we think, 357 00:24:43,653 --> 00:24:47,700 and also made our struggle more efficient in a very important point 358 00:24:47,701 --> 00:24:50,367 when we were preparing for a resistive struggle. 359 00:24:50,741 --> 00:24:55,984 And yes, I think what Bob and Gene are doing are precious around the world, 360 00:24:55,985 --> 00:24:59,146 and we strongly believe that the nonviolent 361 00:24:59,147 --> 00:25:02,306 revolutions cannot be exported or imported, 362 00:25:02,488 --> 00:25:06,472 but the knowledge on how to successfully implement nonviolent struggle 363 00:25:06,708 --> 00:25:10,309 can and is transferred from one group to another as we speak. 364 00:25:11,380 --> 00:25:16,581 Well, I felt good that here was a revolution that occurred non-violently. 365 00:25:17,422 --> 00:25:21,076 There was no violence on the part of the democratic opposition, 366 00:25:21,891 --> 00:25:28,121 and it shows that what Gene was talking a bout year after year after year, 367 00:25:28,335 --> 00:25:32,989 There are realistic alternatives to violent conflict. 368 00:25:33,314 --> 00:25:36,552 Well, I mean, after Serbia, we were working with 369 00:25:36,553 --> 00:25:39,789 Georgians and Ukrainians and Lebanese and Maldivians 370 00:25:39,790 --> 00:25:43,117 and Iranians and Zimbabweans and Colombians 371 00:25:43,118 --> 00:25:46,444 and Guatemalans and West Papuans 372 00:25:46,606 --> 00:25:51,674 and the groups from places in the world I couldn't literally find on a map. 373 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:55,493 Georgia, 2003. 374 00:25:55,715 --> 00:25:58,799 Then, from Serbia, the news spread to Georgia, 375 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,882 which was under a very repressive regime, 376 00:26:02,066 --> 00:26:06,439 and then to Ukraine, which again had problems, and it spread there, 377 00:26:06,891 --> 00:26:10,391 and then to a series of other countries in the 378 00:26:10,392 --> 00:26:13,891 southern tier of the former Soviet Union. 379 00:26:15,496 --> 00:26:18,287 Ukraine, 2004. 380 00:26:21,184 --> 00:26:25,197 Vlodymyr Viatrovich was a leader of Ukraine's Orange Revolution. 381 00:26:25,642 --> 00:26:28,142 He used Gene's book to convince activists that 382 00:26:28,143 --> 00:26:30,642 there was a powerful alternative to violence. 383 00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:36,785 The protester community had various schools of thought. 384 00:26:36,967 --> 00:26:40,827 In particular, there were people ready to use some kind of force. 385 00:26:42,239 --> 00:26:43,991 The book in question 386 00:26:43,992 --> 00:26:47,541 is Gene sharp's book, From Dictatorship to Democracy. 387 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:49,723 The central concept of that book, 388 00:26:49,724 --> 00:26:54,874 fighting dictators non-violently, was very pertinent for us. 389 00:26:54,875 --> 00:26:59,265 That was the idea that pretty much shaped the protest 390 00:26:59,266 --> 00:27:02,393 that led to the Orange Revolution of 2004. 391 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,533 We're united, we're many... 392 00:27:05,890 --> 00:27:11,007 I think that tens of thousands of people, no more, 393 00:27:11,008 --> 00:27:14,531 ever received Sharp's ideas directly from his book. 394 00:27:14,763 --> 00:27:18,802 But the ideas themselves, no longer linked to Gene Sharp, 395 00:27:18,803 --> 00:27:23,512 reached hundreds of thousands of people in the Orange Revolution. 396 00:27:23,906 --> 00:27:27,032 We're united, we're many, we won't be conquered! 397 00:27:27,484 --> 00:27:29,915 So if we're to speak of his ideas, 398 00:27:29,979 --> 00:27:33,649 even if the people didn't know they were Sharp's, 399 00:27:33,650 --> 00:27:36,436 they were still widespread and influential. 400 00:27:36,705 --> 00:27:41,540 Yushchenko! Yushchenko! 401 00:27:51,902 --> 00:27:55,234 On the top floor of Gene's home is his orchid house, 402 00:27:55,656 --> 00:27:57,622 a refuge from the work below. 403 00:27:58,305 --> 00:28:00,376 They take quite a bit of work. 404 00:28:01,067 --> 00:28:06,654 They became very important because it was something I could treat, 405 00:28:06,743 --> 00:28:08,930 as they needed to be treated, 406 00:28:09,778 --> 00:28:13,114 and not expecting miracles, 407 00:28:13,115 --> 00:28:16,333 but if you don't treat orchids right or anything 408 00:28:16,334 --> 00:28:19,550 else in life, then it's not going to thrive. 409 00:28:28,214 --> 00:28:32,017 - How did it feel watching your work spread? 410 00:28:32,785 --> 00:28:37,356 - Oh, that spread was really quite remarkable, I always think. 411 00:28:38,705 --> 00:28:40,697 I'm still amazed. 412 00:28:42,236 --> 00:28:43,562 I'm still amazed. 413 00:28:45,277 --> 00:28:49,253 To have this piece that I regarded as very introductory, 414 00:28:49,848 --> 00:28:52,175 I think it's maybe 70 or 80 pages, 415 00:28:52,834 --> 00:28:55,747 to take off like that was a confirmation 416 00:28:55,748 --> 00:28:58,659 that the analysis was more or less accurate. 417 00:29:00,370 --> 00:29:03,703 It didn't spread because of good propaganda, 418 00:29:04,211 --> 00:29:05,623 or some sales pitch. 419 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:10,630 It spread because people found it usable. 420 00:29:11,106 --> 00:29:12,958 They found it important. 421 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,292 The books are there. The literature is there. 422 00:29:22,356 --> 00:29:26,737 It's online. It's in people's homes and people's hard-drives, 423 00:29:27,126 --> 00:29:29,725 and it's being disseminated at a level where 424 00:29:29,726 --> 00:29:32,324 that cannot stop, and it cannot be stopped. 425 00:29:36,869 --> 00:29:40,036 People go to great lengths to discredit this work, 426 00:29:40,369 --> 00:29:46,826 and there was one case where President Chavez had referred to our staff as 427 00:29:46,851 --> 00:29:48,955 “the bunch of gringos at the Albert Einstein 428 00:29:48,956 --> 00:29:51,058 Institution don't understand Venezuela,” 429 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,287 and I thought: “Well, it's true that we may not 430 00:29:54,288 --> 00:29:56,893 fully understand the situation in Venezuela. 431 00:29:56,894 --> 00:30:00,352 It's probably quite complex, but I'm not a gringo.” 432 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:02,414 Gene Sharp, George Bush, 433 00:30:02,493 --> 00:30:05,351 and the ideologues of this soft coup with a slow fuse… 434 00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:09,499 Gentlemen, you can forget this plan of yours in Venezuela. 435 00:30:10,197 --> 00:30:14,326 In 2008, the Iranian government broadcast a propaganda video 436 00:30:14,445 --> 00:30:17,146 accusing Gene of working for the CIA. 437 00:30:17,662 --> 00:30:21,019 The White House, Washington D.C. 438 00:30:25,248 --> 00:30:29,653 Gene Sharp, the theoretician of civil disobedience 439 00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:32,617 and velvet revolutions, 440 00:30:32,958 --> 00:30:35,544 who has published treatises on this subject. 441 00:30:35,673 --> 00:30:38,166 He is one of the CIA agents 442 00:30:38,167 --> 00:30:41,800 in charge of America's infiltration of other countries. 443 00:30:44,109 --> 00:30:47,443 Well, you've seen our office. You can see how well funded we are. 444 00:30:49,054 --> 00:30:51,921 In a way, I was impressed that we were on the radar, 445 00:30:53,096 --> 00:30:56,651 that they had Gene Sharp sitting at the White House, and in a way, I thought 446 00:30:57,532 --> 00:30:59,669 I wish those in the White House would listen to 447 00:30:59,670 --> 00:31:01,805 us, I wish they would request a meeting with us, 448 00:31:02,021 --> 00:31:02,790 but they don't. 449 00:31:03,175 --> 00:31:05,881 We sit here. We operate out of our Tourem office. 450 00:31:06,144 --> 00:31:07,873 We have no connection with the White House. 451 00:31:08,136 --> 00:31:09,532 It just didn't happen. 452 00:31:10,732 --> 00:31:12,152 We don't do that. 453 00:31:14,669 --> 00:31:17,779 We are absolutely not a CIA front organization, 454 00:31:18,148 --> 00:31:22,746 and it's really ironic because we see this charge in the press 455 00:31:23,132 --> 00:31:26,000 and among various groups quite often, 456 00:31:26,270 --> 00:31:28,412 and we always wonder, where is this coming from? 457 00:31:29,678 --> 00:31:32,630 After the Iranian elections in 2009, 458 00:31:32,765 --> 00:31:35,820 opposition groups declared the result was a fix. 459 00:31:35,845 --> 00:31:36,568 Iran, 2009. 460 00:31:36,569 --> 00:31:39,067 There are thousands upon thousands of people 461 00:31:39,068 --> 00:31:41,564 streaming down through the main boulevard, 462 00:31:41,762 --> 00:31:43,626 all heading in the same direction. 463 00:31:43,627 --> 00:31:46,151 It's quite something. They're waving green flags. 464 00:31:46,152 --> 00:31:48,772 People are hanging out of cars giving the 'V' for victory sign. 465 00:31:48,932 --> 00:31:52,520 I was not sure people would turn up given the warning, 466 00:31:52,521 --> 00:31:54,568 and I'm wrong. 467 00:31:56,590 --> 00:31:59,999 Thousands of protesters exploded onto the streets of Tehran. 468 00:32:00,955 --> 00:32:02,860 The government response was brutal. 469 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,387 During the uprising, a young Iranian student, Neda 470 00:32:06,388 --> 00:32:09,414 Agha-Soltan, was shot by a government sniper. 471 00:32:14,353 --> 00:32:18,034 Her image would become a rallying call for the opposition. 472 00:32:19,365 --> 00:32:22,271 Lesson 5: Political Ju-Jitsu. 473 00:32:22,411 --> 00:32:25,512 When people are slaughtered, when they are beaten, 474 00:32:26,441 --> 00:32:31,771 this produces a process I call 'Political Ju -Jitsu, ' 475 00:32:32,763 --> 00:32:35,977 in which the opponent's supposed strength 476 00:32:36,819 --> 00:32:39,465 is used to undermine the opponent 477 00:32:40,377 --> 00:32:44,687 by alienating more people from supporting that regime, 478 00:32:45,497 --> 00:32:48,774 mobilizing more people into the act of resistance. 479 00:32:49,036 --> 00:32:51,408 It's a kind of backlash effect. 480 00:32:52,448 --> 00:32:55,818 If the regime is so brutal, and instead of 481 00:32:55,819 --> 00:32:59,188 intimidating people which the regime intends, 482 00:32:59,982 --> 00:33:03,780 it causes other population groups and institutions 483 00:33:04,335 --> 00:33:07,288 to withdraw their cooperation and their obedience 484 00:33:07,803 --> 00:33:13,331 and that loss of power and control that more people are joining the resistance. 485 00:33:15,267 --> 00:33:17,724 Iason Athanasiadis was arrested by Iranian 486 00:33:17,725 --> 00:33:20,180 Intelligence while reporting the Green uprising. 487 00:33:20,982 --> 00:33:23,969 When I went to see the Chief Prosecutor on the second day that I was in prison, 488 00:33:24,239 --> 00:33:28,159 he looked at me when I took off my blindfold, sitting in his office, 489 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:30,146 and he said: “Do you know why you're here?”. 490 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,916 And I said: “No, I mean, I've no idea. I've just been arrested two nights ago”, 491 00:33:35,202 --> 00:33:38,414 and he said: “Well, there's a very serious accusation against you.” 492 00:33:38,804 --> 00:33:41,144 And I said: “What is that?” And he said: “Are you sure you don't know?" 493 00:33:42,081 --> 00:33:42,874 "Espionage." 494 00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:47,335 The interrogator kind of patted his laptop and said: 495 00:33:47,510 --> 00:33:51,224 “You know, this laptop contains a Persian language translation 496 00:33:51,296 --> 00:33:54,669 of Gene Sharp's "From Dictatorship To Democracy" 497 00:33:54,874 --> 00:33:58,229 which is a handbook for insurrectionists, 498 00:33:58,485 --> 00:34:03,961 and it gives them several dozen easy ways by which, 499 00:34:04,033 --> 00:34:06,921 if they only follow these ways, they can overthrow a government 500 00:34:06,922 --> 00:34:08,969 a legitimate government, any kind of government. 501 00:34:09,864 --> 00:34:13,332 And I have read this book, and so have my colleagues." 502 00:34:14,411 --> 00:34:16,928 When the organizers of the uprising were arrested, 503 00:34:16,953 --> 00:34:21,580 they were charged with using over 100 of Gene Sharp's 198 methods. 504 00:34:24,024 --> 00:34:27,524 What this work does is show people that they 505 00:34:27,525 --> 00:34:31,024 themselves can be responsible for their own future, 506 00:34:32,926 --> 00:34:35,044 for their own liberation. 507 00:34:35,331 --> 00:34:37,792 People are beginning to liberate themselves, 508 00:34:38,633 --> 00:34:42,723 They don't have to depend on an outside power. 509 00:34:43,826 --> 00:34:46,183 This is Srdja, my cat, 510 00:34:46,414 --> 00:34:48,500 named after Srdja Popovic. 511 00:34:49,263 --> 00:34:51,204 But they don't have to depend on an outside power. 512 00:34:51,205 --> 00:34:53,144 They can do it themselves. 513 00:34:53,675 --> 00:34:57,637 And can you imagine how good that makes a country feel? 514 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,749 That we did it ourselves. 515 00:35:01,090 --> 00:35:04,821 And that's why it's so important that we transfer this skill and knowledge. 516 00:35:05,209 --> 00:35:08,392 There's no reason for the United States to be occupying anybody. 517 00:35:08,393 --> 00:35:10,591 We're not good at occupying anybody. 518 00:35:10,917 --> 00:35:14,413 Neither was the Soviet Union good at occupying people. 519 00:35:15,293 --> 00:35:16,578 Let the people alone. 520 00:35:16,603 --> 00:35:20,277 Give them the power to change their government if they want it changed. 521 00:35:21,405 --> 00:35:28,405 To be counted as a threat to a tyrant is a matter of pride, I would say. 522 00:35:28,945 --> 00:35:31,481 It means we're effective. It means we're relevant. 523 00:35:32,005 --> 00:35:38,979 It means, out of this very small office, we produce work that threatens regimes, 524 00:35:39,448 --> 00:35:42,034 and I think that's pretty cool. 525 00:35:43,043 --> 00:35:43,661 Yeah. 526 00:35:45,371 --> 00:35:48,297 Tahrir Square, Cairo, 2011. 527 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,171 This was the beginning of the Egyptian Revolution. 528 00:35:51,568 --> 00:35:54,431 The uprising was spontaneous, but Egyptian democracy 529 00:35:54,432 --> 00:35:57,293 groups had been working on the strategy for years. 530 00:36:02,654 --> 00:36:07,614 Egyptian democracy group Kefaya first visited Gene in Boston in 2006. 531 00:36:08,589 --> 00:36:11,449 Five years later, former Serbian revolutionaries 532 00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:14,309 were training new groups on the outskirts of Cairo. 533 00:36:14,612 --> 00:36:19,119 Egypt's Muslim brotherhood posted Gene's work in Arabic on their website. 534 00:36:21,086 --> 00:36:24,675 When the moment came, these groups were ready to guide the revolution. 535 00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:27,513 Well, let's go live to Tahrir Liberation Square. 536 00:36:27,514 --> 00:36:30,462 We can speak to a freelance journalist who joins us on the line now, 537 00:36:30,463 --> 00:36:33,072 Ruaridh, we were hearing about those heightened 538 00:36:33,073 --> 00:36:35,680 security measures today around Tahrir Square. 539 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,865 Is there a different atmosphere here compared 540 00:36:37,866 --> 00:36:39,770 with say yesterday and the day before? 541 00:36:40,236 --> 00:36:42,957 Ah, yes. It's an incredible atmosphere today. 542 00:36:42,958 --> 00:36:46,458 That cross section of Egyptian society that left 543 00:36:46,459 --> 00:36:49,958 Tahrir Square yesterday is back in force now. 544 00:36:50,645 --> 00:36:53,033 They've managed to re-energize the protesters. 545 00:36:53,034 --> 00:36:56,589 There's very young children, women, older men here. 546 00:36:56,986 --> 00:37:00,013 People are singing and dancing. There are many instruments in the square, 547 00:37:00,150 --> 00:37:03,491 and it's more full here than it has been in days. 548 00:37:05,578 --> 00:37:09,258 Ahmed Maher was a leader of Egypt's April 6th democracy group. 549 00:37:10,806 --> 00:37:13,273 We waited for an incident, the spark, 550 00:37:13,361 --> 00:37:15,229 that would move all the people. 551 00:37:15,444 --> 00:37:19,721 There were many reasons to act, but we were waiting for the spark. 552 00:37:21,412 --> 00:37:23,039 And that was Tunisia. 553 00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:25,582 Tunisia, 2011. 554 00:37:30,487 --> 00:37:32,106 In fact it was... 555 00:37:32,257 --> 00:37:35,235 There has always been rivalry in soccer 556 00:37:35,331 --> 00:37:37,362 between Egypt and Tunisia. 557 00:37:37,615 --> 00:37:42,250 So maybe we started before Tunisia 558 00:37:42,488 --> 00:37:47,963 but Tunisia beat us and started the revolution, so why not us? 559 00:37:48,234 --> 00:37:50,962 People saw on the web "The answer is Tunisia". 560 00:37:55,942 --> 00:37:58,679 Leave! Leave! 561 00:37:58,889 --> 00:38:02,332 Of course there was a strong influence 562 00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:05,697 from Gene Sharp's writings articles and books. 563 00:38:05,884 --> 00:38:09,175 We got them from the internet, read them 564 00:38:09,486 --> 00:38:11,395 and we learned quickly 565 00:38:11,396 --> 00:38:14,165 and understood the essence of non-violence. 566 00:38:14,456 --> 00:38:17,361 We also saw many documentaries on the internet 567 00:38:17,774 --> 00:38:22,843 about the experiences of people applying non-violence. 568 00:38:23,144 --> 00:38:25,318 The idea itself was very inspiring 569 00:38:25,565 --> 00:38:29,188 whether it came from the documentaries or the books. 570 00:38:32,322 --> 00:38:35,093 As the peaceful protest grew in Tahrir Square, 571 00:38:35,275 --> 00:38:39,286 President Hosni Mubarak intimidated them with weapons of war. 572 00:38:43,513 --> 00:38:46,229 Our experience may be slightly different to Otpor. 573 00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:50,702 Before the revolution, they won the army and police over to their side. 574 00:38:51,226 --> 00:38:53,022 It was different with us. 575 00:38:53,023 --> 00:38:57,015 We had a very big battle with the police 576 00:38:57,498 --> 00:38:59,338 and the army was always neutral 577 00:38:59,339 --> 00:39:02,633 but eventually intervened on our side. 578 00:39:02,831 --> 00:39:05,096 The experience is different to an extent 579 00:39:05,493 --> 00:39:08,382 between us and Otpor in Serbia. 580 00:39:10,909 --> 00:39:13,609 Even after violent clashes with police, the 581 00:39:13,610 --> 00:39:16,308 revolutionary leaders restored nonviolent discipline 582 00:39:16,473 --> 00:39:18,600 in the face of overwhelming force. 583 00:39:21,578 --> 00:39:25,316 The protesters faced brutal attacks from police and security forces, 584 00:39:25,467 --> 00:39:27,101 but they held their ground. 585 00:39:36,711 --> 00:39:39,306 Of course, technology played a big role 586 00:39:39,307 --> 00:39:41,112 in faster communication, 587 00:39:41,542 --> 00:39:46,052 in delivering the message to the people and mobilizing them. 588 00:39:46,187 --> 00:39:50,028 Also, technology played a role 589 00:39:50,029 --> 00:39:51,576 in the internal organization. 590 00:39:51,858 --> 00:39:54,921 You have groups in various governments 591 00:39:54,922 --> 00:39:57,287 and need to be in constant contact with them 592 00:39:57,668 --> 00:40:01,381 so instead of holding a meeting every fortnight 593 00:40:01,571 --> 00:40:05,950 you can, through a secret group on Facebook, 594 00:40:06,111 --> 00:40:10,060 via conference on yahoo, Skype or Abouttalk 595 00:40:10,061 --> 00:40:12,950 via any program, constantly communicate. 596 00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:16,939 All those helped so much in spreading ideas. 597 00:40:32,414 --> 00:40:35,858 As Muslims and Christians guarded each other while they prayed, 598 00:40:36,016 --> 00:40:38,140 the leaders of the revolution were persuading 599 00:40:38,141 --> 00:40:40,263 the army to support the protesters. 600 00:40:40,843 --> 00:40:44,517 I believe the army eventually helped us 601 00:40:44,518 --> 00:40:46,970 because the army is of the people. 602 00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:50,146 The army conscripts come from the people, 603 00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:53,754 and the army has a big patriotic role. 604 00:40:53,984 --> 00:40:57,470 The police may have fixed elections, protected the corrupt, 605 00:40:57,471 --> 00:40:59,659 they've been involved for many years 606 00:40:59,842 --> 00:41:02,500 and were protecting their interests and existence. 607 00:41:17,476 --> 00:41:19,603 I was returning to Tahrir Square, 608 00:41:20,481 --> 00:41:24,566 just entering the square through the permanent search gate. 609 00:41:24,788 --> 00:41:29,701 There was a cafe which had the TV on very loud. 610 00:41:30,225 --> 00:41:32,093 In the name of God the Merciful. 611 00:41:33,522 --> 00:41:35,260 Citizens, 612 00:41:36,236 --> 00:41:38,525 in these difficult circumstances 613 00:41:39,327 --> 00:41:41,504 that the country is going through. 614 00:41:43,428 --> 00:41:46,197 President Mohamed Hosni Mubarak has decided 615 00:41:47,515 --> 00:41:50,749 to step down as President of the Republic. 616 00:41:59,512 --> 00:42:01,739 It took him a while to step down. 617 00:42:01,795 --> 00:42:04,274 I just went crazy when I heard the speech. 618 00:42:04,764 --> 00:42:07,283 I started crying, thinking that at last 619 00:42:07,416 --> 00:42:11,219 the dream we've had for years and endured so much for 620 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,290 has come true. 621 00:42:13,417 --> 00:42:15,409 It was a really tough moment. 622 00:42:15,838 --> 00:42:18,187 I then ran screaming into the square. 623 00:42:18,774 --> 00:42:22,654 Everyone was just crying, screaming, 624 00:42:22,655 --> 00:42:24,293 laughing, dancing, singing... 625 00:42:24,484 --> 00:42:26,777 It was a historic moment. 626 00:42:27,502 --> 00:42:30,224 I just couldn't believe it. 627 00:42:30,383 --> 00:42:33,714 For a few days I wondered if it was possible. 628 00:42:54,324 --> 00:42:55,998 But somebody knew what they were doing, 629 00:42:56,959 --> 00:43:02,009 and we don't need anyone claiming credit for us or me or anyone, 630 00:43:02,136 --> 00:43:05,192 if it's not deserved and if it's not documented. 631 00:43:14,263 --> 00:43:16,502 Syria, 2011. 632 00:43:26,703 --> 00:43:29,337 Massacre in Juma, 15 so far killed. 633 00:43:35,411 --> 00:43:37,959 Ausama Monajed is a communications expert and 634 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,506 one of the leaders of the Syrian Uprising. 635 00:43:42,488 --> 00:43:44,957 This is a video of a kid that'd been shot at. 636 00:43:47,722 --> 00:43:50,682 One boy was shouting: “My brother, my brother!”. 637 00:43:50,841 --> 00:43:54,343 He co-ordinates a network of secret cameras all over the country. 638 00:43:55,089 --> 00:43:58,764 It's just a basic HD camera linked to a satellite modem, 639 00:43:58,913 --> 00:44:04,200 and we upload it on streaming websites where we can get the live feed, 640 00:44:04,225 --> 00:44:07,051 and we managed to get this Al Jazeera today. 641 00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:14,510 Gene Sharp's tactics and theories are being 642 00:44:14,511 --> 00:44:18,010 practiced on the streets of Syria as we speak now. 643 00:44:24,109 --> 00:44:27,384 What we did is promote these tactics and explain them 644 00:44:27,385 --> 00:44:30,659 to people through the Facebook pages that we have 645 00:44:31,108 --> 00:44:33,101 and also the YouTube channels. 646 00:44:33,176 --> 00:44:38,205 This is how they're applied, from putting flowers on the spots 647 00:44:38,206 --> 00:44:41,066 where fallen heroes fell and frustrations 648 00:44:41,067 --> 00:44:43,925 from the campaign while you marched, 649 00:44:44,082 --> 00:44:49,371 from cleaning streets and making it nicer and better 650 00:44:49,372 --> 00:44:52,369 because we can do something even better than the 651 00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:55,365 regime can do in terms of services, so yeah. 652 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,108 From Dictatorship To Democracy gives you the inspiration, the assurances 653 00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:08,072 that this could really be achieved and this can really happen. 654 00:45:09,588 --> 00:45:14,144 In Summer 2011, after a brutal onslaught by the Syrian military, 655 00:45:14,310 --> 00:45:16,811 Ausama traveled to Boston to meet Gene. 656 00:45:17,717 --> 00:45:18,741 - When were you last here? 657 00:45:19,630 --> 00:45:25,150 - I can't remember exactly. Was it 2007 or 2006? 658 00:45:26,166 --> 00:45:27,823 Yeah, years ago, 659 00:45:28,958 --> 00:45:32,458 when it was only a few people thinking about 660 00:45:32,459 --> 00:45:35,958 nonviolent resistance scenario in Syria, 661 00:45:37,664 --> 00:45:43,487 and only quite a few believed this can really happen in a country like Syria. 662 00:45:49,094 --> 00:45:50,085 Ok. All set. 663 00:45:54,673 --> 00:45:55,871 - Gene. - Hello. 664 00:45:55,872 --> 00:45:57,275 - Hi. - How are you? 665 00:45:57,276 --> 00:46:00,847 - Hi, good to see you again. Good to see you. Good to see you. 666 00:46:00,887 --> 00:46:02,099 - Good to see you. 667 00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:03,410 - Good to see you too. How are you doing? 668 00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:04,539 - Not too bad. 669 00:46:05,357 --> 00:46:07,785 - I'm happy to see you. It was so good you have 670 00:46:07,786 --> 00:46:10,213 time in your schedule to come to say, “Hello.” 671 00:46:10,214 --> 00:46:11,484 - Well, the pleasure is mine. 672 00:46:11,485 --> 00:46:15,124 I was really delighted, and I can tell you there's a lot to talk about. 673 00:46:15,198 --> 00:46:17,856 - This is new territory for us. 674 00:46:17,857 --> 00:46:19,240 - Yeah. 675 00:46:19,261 --> 00:46:25,617 - We've never been there personally. The cases we've studied don't exactly match. 676 00:46:25,824 --> 00:46:31,421 He's so humble and down to earth to a limit that you feel how amazing this is, 677 00:46:31,422 --> 00:46:34,922 like all these great writings coming from 678 00:46:34,923 --> 00:46:38,422 a very tiny little office in Old Boston. 679 00:46:40,251 --> 00:46:43,007 It's rather interesting. 680 00:46:43,134 --> 00:46:46,634 Maybe there's one thing that's been “learned” 681 00:46:46,635 --> 00:46:50,134 in quotation mark, may become Tunisia and Egypt 682 00:46:50,896 --> 00:46:53,762 which I think is a mistake, a major mistake. 683 00:46:54,025 --> 00:46:58,271 And that is that the existing ruler has to resign. 684 00:46:59,290 --> 00:47:00,765 He doesn't have to resign. 685 00:47:01,448 --> 00:47:06,409 You take all the supports from out from under him, he falls, 686 00:47:08,933 --> 00:47:10,670 no matter what he wants to do. 687 00:47:12,628 --> 00:47:18,910 This is the distinction in the analyses between nonviolent coercion, 688 00:47:19,362 --> 00:47:23,386 in which he has to resign but he's forced into it, 689 00:47:23,965 --> 00:47:27,966 and disintegration, when the regime simply falls apart. 690 00:47:28,403 --> 00:47:31,260 There's nobody left with enough power to resign. 691 00:47:32,673 --> 00:47:38,713 If Einstein was the genius in physics, so Gene Sharp is the genius in freedoms, 692 00:47:39,665 --> 00:47:41,258 and how to achieve freedoms. 693 00:47:41,525 --> 00:47:44,279 Lesson 6: Don't Give Up 694 00:47:46,712 --> 00:47:49,602 I feel good in a way that we're spreading the 695 00:47:49,603 --> 00:47:52,491 word, and if people follow Gene's advice 696 00:47:52,492 --> 00:47:55,603 on how to think about waging an unbalanced struggle, 697 00:47:56,413 --> 00:47:57,968 sooner or later they'll win. 698 00:47:58,793 --> 00:48:01,709 See, the advantage that we have using this form 699 00:48:01,710 --> 00:48:04,625 of struggle, the people against the tyrant. 700 00:48:06,649 --> 00:48:09,518 As long as we don't surrender, we never lose, 701 00:48:10,622 --> 00:48:11,915 and that's a key. 702 00:48:12,264 --> 00:48:16,510 As long as you haven't given up, you haven't lost. 703 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,014 I think, in the long term, Gene Sharp will be a household name. 704 00:48:25,133 --> 00:48:28,228 I think his books will be in every library in the world, 705 00:48:29,191 --> 00:48:33,585 and they will be translated into most languages. 706 00:48:36,273 --> 00:48:40,828 Can we survive until then? Can this institution survive until then? 707 00:48:40,872 --> 00:48:42,646 Well, we certainly hope so. 708 00:48:46,281 --> 00:48:49,270 Politically significant nonviolent action has 709 00:48:49,271 --> 00:48:52,259 occurred in at least the following countries: 710 00:48:53,981 --> 00:49:00,821 Guatemala, Australia, Thailand, Burma, China, Japan, … 711 00:49:00,822 --> 00:49:07,822 …Georgia, Iran, Kurdistan, Russia, 712 00:49:09,327 --> 00:49:16,327 Serbia, Ukraine, Venezuela, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, 713 00:49:22,252 --> 00:49:24,530 and there's bound to be a couple more. 714 00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:34,587 I think there's the father-daughter relationship developing there. 715 00:49:35,932 --> 00:49:39,665 They can sit down and talk, and they're on the same wavelength. 716 00:49:40,648 --> 00:49:41,846 She protects him, 717 00:49:42,989 --> 00:49:46,989 and I think she loves him as a daughter who loves a father. 718 00:49:48,828 --> 00:49:52,626 Gene Sharp is someone who is, of course, my personal mentor, 719 00:49:53,062 --> 00:49:59,633 but I think he has served as that role for multitudes of people. 720 00:49:59,838 --> 00:50:02,473 He is someone who has dedicated his life 721 00:50:02,839 --> 00:50:06,150 to providing the means by which oppressed 722 00:50:06,151 --> 00:50:09,461 people can self-reliantly gain liberation, 723 00:50:09,850 --> 00:50:15,151 and that is something which I believe has changed the world 724 00:50:15,152 --> 00:50:17,792 and will continue to do so in dramatic ways, 725 00:50:20,665 --> 00:50:24,077 It's really personal stuff. 726 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,925 Sometimes people ask me what I really want. 727 00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:40,693 Do I have a dream? 728 00:50:41,638 --> 00:50:42,503 And I do. 729 00:50:43,837 --> 00:50:47,230 I dream that the oppressed people of the world 730 00:50:47,928 --> 00:50:54,291 will be able to learn from the available records 731 00:50:54,981 --> 00:51:01,051 and new experiences that this type of nonviolent struggle 732 00:51:01,602 --> 00:51:05,102 can be used to liberate all oppression and 733 00:51:05,103 --> 00:51:08,602 replace military and violent conflicts, 734 00:51:09,489 --> 00:51:13,989 so that you won't have to carry on struggles against terrorism anymore 735 00:51:14,583 --> 00:51:17,170 because the people who might have become terrorists 736 00:51:17,472 --> 00:51:20,314 have instead chosen to use this kind of 737 00:51:20,315 --> 00:51:23,156 struggle to help out the oppressed people. 738 00:51:23,911 --> 00:51:27,617 This can change the local systems throughout the world. 739 00:51:30,215 --> 00:51:31,945 My name is Gene Sharp, 740 00:51:32,612 --> 00:51:34,112 and that is my dream. 740 00:51:35,305 --> 00:51:41,916 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.SubtitleDB.org 63528

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