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WOLTER: The history that we were
all taught growing up is wrong.
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My name is Scott Wolter,
and I'm a forensic geologist.
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There's a hidden history in this
country that nobody knows about.
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There are pyramids here,
chambers, tombs, inscriptions.
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They're all over this country.
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We're gonna investigate
these artifacts and sites,
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and we're gonna
get to the truth.
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Sometimes history isn't
what we've been told.
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ATKINS: Hello?
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Hello,
is this Harry Atkins?
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Speaking.
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Hi, Harry. This is Scott Wolter.
How are you?
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I'm doing great.
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Good. Say, I was just
looking at your e-mail,
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and these artifacts
are very intriguing.
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I've looked at Viking
artifacts before
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but never Viking artifacts
found in Arizona.
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I'd really be interested
in taking a look at them.
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Is that possible?
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It sure is.
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Great. I look forward
to meeting you in person.
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WOLTER:
The Vikings were some of the
fiercest warriors of all time,
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hailing from Scandinavia,
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a rugged landscape far different
from where I am now.
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They earned their reputation
for battle rage and bloodlust
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on countless raids
across England
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between the 8th
and 11th centuries.
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They soon set their sights
on lands further west
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from the fjords and forests
they called home,
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not to raid,
but for one simple reason --
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overpopulation.
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If Harry Atkins' dad really
has authentic Viking artifacts
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found in Arizona,
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it could be the first step
in figuring out
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if this is one place
they settled.
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Harry,
good to meet you.
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Nice to meet you.
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Well, you picked
a fantastic place to meet.
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I mean, this is
a geologist's paradise.
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Chemical conditions caused this
iron oxide to form in the rocks,
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and now it's weathering out,
producing beautiful red colors.
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You don't see that
too many places.
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Speaking of things
you don't see too often --
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Viking artifacts
that your father found.
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Well, my dad actually
didn't find them.
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He owned an antique shop
and an art gallery.
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A woman came to him
and said,
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"Hey, I found these things
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out on the desert
around Sedona out hiking,
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and you're
into old things.
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Here. why don't you
take them?"
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And he was very intrigued,
and she told him,
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"Well, I found them
in what looked like
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a rotted pair
of saddlebags."
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He started doing
some Internet research,
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and based
on some of the designs
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on the largest
of the artifacts,
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he thought that perhaps
they were Viking.
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It's not unheard of that people
find things out in the desert,
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but Viking artifacts,
that's a whole nother ball game.
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So the question is,
"How did they get here?"
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That is the question,
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and I'm hoping
you can get the answer.
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So, your father passed,
right?
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Yes, he passed in 2017.
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He wanted you to look into
these things, so here we are.
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I would love to get the answers
for you and your father.
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Can we take a look
at the artifacts?
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We sure can.
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There's a woman named Bonnie
that worked for my dad,
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and she's got
the artifacts right now.
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Lead the way.
All right.
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A Viking find out here
would be unprecedented.
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Wow.
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The Viking sagas talk
about a place called Vinland.
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Vinland has never been
conclusively identified.
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They know
it's in North America.
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Some people think it's
on the northeast coast,
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and that does
make some sense,
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but that doesn't mean
that they're right.
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WOLTER:
There is a confirmed
Viking settlement
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in Newfoundland,
which I've seen,
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but one thing
archaeologists agree on
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is that it's not Vinland.
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They've concentrated
their efforts to find Vinland
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on the East Coast
of the United States
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because that's where
some intriguing things
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have already been found,
including a stone in the sea
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off the coast
of Martha's Vineyard
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inscribed with the name
of the Viking's
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most notorious explorer,
Leif Erikson.
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And I think
the geology suggests
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it could have been carved
at the time of his voyage
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across the Atlantic.
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But if Harry's artifacts
are authentic,
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maybe we should be looking here,
2,500 miles further west.
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If these
Viking artifacts
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that your dad came into
are genuine,
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maybe Vinland is out here.
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Hi, Bonnie.
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Hi.
Nice to meet you, Scott.
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Apparently,
you're the one that knows
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where these artifacts
were found.
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Well, we don't know exactly
where they were found --
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just somewhere
in this area.
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WOLTER:
It's too bad we don't have
an exact location
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because we might be able to find
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even more artifacts
still buried,
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something that could bolster
the provenance of this cache
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because their
archaeological context
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could be studied and proven.
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But this is still
an amazing find,
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and there are other ways
to explore the possibility
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the Vikings left these here
if they appear authentic.
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WOLTER:
[ Laughing ] Wow!
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Incredible.
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They all have a very similar
look to them.
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Do you notice
this green material
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that's covering pretty much
all of them, it looks like?
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-Yeah.
-Yeah.
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That's a copper
carbonate,
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and that's produced
by weathering of the metal,
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which tells me that
there's copper in here,
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as well as other metals.
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When either bronze
or brass oxidizes,
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it'll produce this
green coating on here.
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It's called
a patina.
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That's always been the
interesting piece of the bunch.
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ATKINS:
Have you seen anything
like that before?
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You know what?
Actually, I have.
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Let me show you
some pictures.
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This is Sweden,
Scandinavia,
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and that is Gotland,
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which is an island
in the middle of
the Baltic Sea.
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And Viking artifacts
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have been found
on the island of Gotland
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for literally
centuries.
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They're all over.
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Here's one that's kind of shaped
like this guy right here.
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See how the end
comes straight out?
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That's very similar.
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Now, this one looks
almost [Laughing] exactly
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like this guy right here.
Wow. Look at that.
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Now, here's
an interesting artifact.
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That is a broach that was worn
by Viking-age women.
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That one right there looks
a lot like this one.
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You know what?
Actually, it does.
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You're right.
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Did Vikings bring their women
along on these journeys?
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The Viking Sagas
talk about women
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coming over here
to the new world.
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How do you think they actually
got in this area?
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It's far from the sea.
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WOLTER:
I explain to Harry and Bonnie
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that in ancient times,
much of the arid Southwest
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was actually a lake,
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and a giant lake at that,
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called Lake Cahuilla.
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Today, all that's left
is the Salton Sea
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in California's
Imperial and Coachella Valleys.
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The Vikings, who we know
were sailing west
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looking for new lands to settle,
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could have gotten
to this part of the country
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by coming through
the Northwest Passage,
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around Alaska,
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down the coast of California,
around Baja,
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into the Gulf of California,
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and then straight up
into the U.S.
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Sedona is still a ways from
the edge of the ancient lake,
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but the Vikings could have
traveled here on foot
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in search of a place to settle.
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WOLTER:
I mean, this would be
unprecedented
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if they actually did come here
back at that time.
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Okay.
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WOLTER:
There is, of course,
another possibility
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of how Bonnie
and Harry's artifacts
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ended up here
that I have to point out.
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The other possibility
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is that these artifacts
were collected
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by somebody within
the last 150 years,
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and they were brought over
maybe with immigrants
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from Scandinavia.
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WOLTER:
Starting in the 1830s,
millions of Swedes,
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Danes and Norwegians,
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including some of my ancestors,
moved to the United States.
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But it's a fact
that most of them
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settled in the Midwest
where I'm from
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and where the climate
was similar
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to what they left back home,
not the Southwest.
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All I know right now is
these things look authentic,
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but there are ways
to tell for sure.
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WOLTER:
As great as this looks,
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you have to tap the brakes
just a bit.
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There is
a black market
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where people are making
artifacts like this,
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and they're really good
at making them look authentic.
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But one of the ways
that we can tell the difference
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between something
that is authentic
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and something
that's modern
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is by using something
called an XRF gun.
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WOLTER: XRF stands for
X-ray florescence
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and is a critical tool
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in assessing
the authenticity of artifacts.
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A gun like this can reveal
what metals
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objects like these are made of.
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WOLTER: The Vikings used
crude forges.
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I expect that we're probably
gonna see copper and zinc,
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but it also should have
some secondary elements
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like iron, tin, and lead.
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Let's start with
this guy right here.
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The suspense
is killing you, right?
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[ Both laugh ]
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[ Laughing ] Oh!
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Do you know
what we have here?
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WOLTER: Over 10% copper.
Over 10% zinc.
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Lead, 3.42%.
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Iron and a little bit
of silver.
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These results are
very consistent
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with known
Viking-age artifacts,
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so I really like
what we're seeing here.
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Even though I love
these test results
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and they appear
to be authentic,
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that isn't everything.
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I'd really like to sit down
with a professor I know.
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She teaches at Oxford
in the U.K.,
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one of the top experts
in Viking artifacts,
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and she'll know if these
are authentic artifacts or not.
259
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Is it okay if I take them
with me?
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Sure.
Yeah.
261
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Promise
I'll bring them back.
262
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Maybe we'll finally have
an answer
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for your dad
and for you guys.
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Sounds great.
Okay, thank you.
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Sounds great,
thank you.
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WOLTER: Before I go any further
with this investigation
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into whether the Vikings
made a trip to the Southwest,
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I need to know if
these artifacts are authentic.
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Well, Dr. Kershaw --
Is Jane okay?
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That's fine, yeah.
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What I want to talk to you
about today
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is what you think
of these artifacts.
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Does the style
and what you see here
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look like
they could be Viking?
278
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Yeah, sounds good.
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WOLTER:
First things first --
I show Jane the data
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from the XRF testing
I did in the field.
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I find the test results
promising, and she agrees.
282
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Certainly, they look
very consistent.
283
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It's the results
we would expect
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for early medieval
artifacts,
285
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but there's no substitute
for actually having a look
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at the items themselves.
287
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And they're not big,
as you can see.
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They're always so much smaller
than you think they are.
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[ Laughing ] Oh.
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291
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Okay, interesting.
292
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This is
a Viking-age broach.
293
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Really?
294
00:13:30,644 --> 00:13:33,311
Women would have worn these
in pairs on the shoulder...
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Right.
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...right about here.
297
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They're really distinctive
animal art.
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They came into Scandinavia
around about 800.
299
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This is definitely
10th century.
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That's incredible.
301
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And so how about
this guy here?
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This is the bottom plate
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of a very particular
type of broach
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known as a box broach.
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WOLTER:
Viking women wore box broaches
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to secure their shawls
at their collars.
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♪♪
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Well, so far,
you're batting a thousand.
309
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I'm very curious to see
what else there is.
310
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We have
several pieces here.
311
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This is a crossbow broach
312
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that was really popular
with the Roman military elites,
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so it's not Vikings.
314
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It's a little bit earlier
than that.
315
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So older than Viking?
316
00:14:18,458 --> 00:14:21,559
Definitely older than Viking --
3rd, 4th century A.D.
317
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A.D., okay.
318
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They would have been
trade objects worn by men.
319
00:14:26,099 --> 00:14:27,265
Well,
that's interesting.
320
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This is a mix of things
from a wide time period.
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WOLTER:
Because some of the artifacts
are older than Viking,
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it's possible they took them
from lands they raided
323
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to add to their collection,
324
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like souvenirs or trophies,
325
00:14:40,981 --> 00:14:43,781
though there is no way
to know for sure.
326
00:14:43,783 --> 00:14:45,683
One thing that is certain,
327
00:14:45,685 --> 00:14:50,388
Bonnie and Harry do have
some authentic Viking artifacts.
328
00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:53,358
There are some clear
Viking-age pieces.
329
00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,427
These ones are Viking-age,
10th century.
330
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So, I'm satisfied with
all of your conclusions,
331
00:14:59,032 --> 00:15:01,799
but the big question
is how did these artifacts
332
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in that saddlebag
get in the desert in Arizona?
333
00:15:06,039 --> 00:15:07,939
It's quite interesting that
it's found in North America
334
00:15:07,941 --> 00:15:10,341
'cause it's quite rare,
really, for that to happen.
335
00:15:10,343 --> 00:15:11,976
It does make me wonder
336
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whether the Scandinavian
migrations
337
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to the Midwest in America
338
00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:18,716
might have something
to do with the story.
339
00:15:18,718 --> 00:15:21,019
If you have kind of
family treasures,
340
00:15:21,021 --> 00:15:23,021
family heirlooms
that get passed down
341
00:15:23,023 --> 00:15:24,322
and then
somebody emigrates,
342
00:15:24,324 --> 00:15:26,624
leaves Scandinavia,
ends up in America,
343
00:15:26,626 --> 00:15:30,128
maybe that's a partial
explanation for this.
344
00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:32,864
WOLTER: Dr. Kershaw's theory
is certainly plausible
345
00:15:32,866 --> 00:15:35,233
and one that
I'm already considering,
346
00:15:35,235 --> 00:15:37,568
but I also know
Viking voyagers
347
00:15:37,570 --> 00:15:40,138
could have brought
these over themselves
348
00:15:40,140 --> 00:15:43,541
if ancient Lake Cahuilla
was deep enough.
349
00:15:43,543 --> 00:15:45,510
In addition to telling
Bonnie and Harry
350
00:15:45,512 --> 00:15:47,345
that their artifacts are legit,
351
00:15:47,347 --> 00:15:50,682
I'd like to tell them more
definitively how they got there.
352
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♪♪
353
00:15:58,558 --> 00:16:06,431
♪♪
354
00:16:06,433 --> 00:16:10,702
I've come to Travertine Point
in southern California.
355
00:16:10,704 --> 00:16:12,737
Today, this giant rock outcrop
356
00:16:12,739 --> 00:16:17,108
is just a mile away
from the iconic Salton Sea.
357
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:18,843
Over 1,000 years ago,
358
00:16:18,845 --> 00:16:20,845
it would have been
in the northwest quadrant
359
00:16:20,847 --> 00:16:24,716
of Lake Cahuilla's
2,000 square mile spread.
360
00:16:24,718 --> 00:16:27,518
I'm climbing high
atop this outcrop
361
00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,054
to look for a porous rock
called tufa,
362
00:16:30,056 --> 00:16:34,158
which only exists in places
once covered with water.
363
00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,427
It doesn't take me long
to find some,
364
00:16:36,429 --> 00:16:39,564
which proves the water level
was high enough for the Vikings
365
00:16:39,566 --> 00:16:43,334
to have used this lake
to get inland to the Southwest.
366
00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:46,404
And that's good news
because there's a legend
367
00:16:46,406 --> 00:16:49,907
of a Viking ship
doing exactly that.
368
00:16:49,909 --> 00:16:52,076
I've asked a man who's spent
over a decade
369
00:16:52,078 --> 00:16:55,880
researching the fascinating tale
to meet me here.
370
00:16:55,882 --> 00:16:57,448
John?
Scott.
371
00:16:57,450 --> 00:16:58,983
Good to meet you.
[ Laughing ] Nice to meet you.
372
00:16:58,985 --> 00:17:00,885
Can I join you?
Sure, have a seat.
373
00:17:00,887 --> 00:17:02,387
[ Grunts ]
374
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:04,555
So, John, I understand
you're the guy that knows
375
00:17:04,557 --> 00:17:08,092
about this Viking ship
buried in the desert out here?
376
00:17:08,094 --> 00:17:10,094
Yes, I've spent years,
decades even,
377
00:17:10,096 --> 00:17:12,230
chasing down
this story.
378
00:17:12,232 --> 00:17:15,500
I just came from looking
at a cache of artifacts
379
00:17:15,502 --> 00:17:16,768
that look authentic.
380
00:17:16,770 --> 00:17:18,803
They also look like
they might be Viking.
381
00:17:18,805 --> 00:17:20,138
In the Southwest
you found this?
382
00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:21,139
In Sedona.
383
00:17:21,141 --> 00:17:22,707
Oh, my God!
384
00:17:22,709 --> 00:17:24,475
You see this right here?
Mm-hmm.
385
00:17:24,477 --> 00:17:26,911
This is the tufa
that's coating this granite.
386
00:17:26,913 --> 00:17:28,312
Okay.
387
00:17:28,314 --> 00:17:30,381
Take this diluted
hydrochloric acid
388
00:17:30,383 --> 00:17:32,683
and just drop it
on the surface.
389
00:17:32,685 --> 00:17:34,352
You see how it reacts?
Oh, wow! The fizzing.
390
00:17:34,354 --> 00:17:35,586
That's the tufa.
391
00:17:35,588 --> 00:17:38,856
That's the secondary deposit
that grew on this granite
392
00:17:38,858 --> 00:17:40,558
when the water level
was up higher.
393
00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,393
That proves
it was under water then.
394
00:17:42,395 --> 00:17:45,763
Based on this, there's no
question that the water level,
395
00:17:45,765 --> 00:17:48,332
the lake was absolutely
up this high.
396
00:17:48,334 --> 00:17:50,868
WOLTER:
It's possible someone,
like a cowboy,
397
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:52,603
found Harry Atkins' artifacts
398
00:17:52,605 --> 00:17:54,338
somewhere
in the dried-up lake bed
399
00:17:54,340 --> 00:17:56,340
and put them in his saddlebag,
400
00:17:56,342 --> 00:17:59,177
which is how they were
originally found.
401
00:17:59,179 --> 00:18:01,045
WOLTER: This lake level
would have been high enough
402
00:18:01,047 --> 00:18:04,282
for a Viking ship to have
been able to come in here.
403
00:18:04,284 --> 00:18:06,984
Geologically
and geographically,
404
00:18:06,986 --> 00:18:09,087
the pieces are really
coming together.
405
00:18:09,089 --> 00:18:11,355
Well, you know what
I would really like to do?
406
00:18:11,357 --> 00:18:13,291
Find that ship.
Me too.
407
00:18:13,293 --> 00:18:16,094
Where do you think the location
of this Viking ship is?
408
00:18:16,096 --> 00:18:17,195
Not far at all
409
00:18:17,197 --> 00:18:19,363
in a town called
Imperial, California,
410
00:18:19,365 --> 00:18:21,132
and the town location
411
00:18:21,134 --> 00:18:23,568
would have been
almost dead center
412
00:18:23,570 --> 00:18:25,903
of the southern part
of Lake Cahuilla.
413
00:18:25,905 --> 00:18:27,872
Okay. Well,
that's gonna be the next stop.
414
00:18:27,874 --> 00:18:29,607
Well, I'd love to tag
along with you,
415
00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:31,709
but there's a stop
to make first.
416
00:18:31,711 --> 00:18:33,044
What's that?
417
00:18:33,046 --> 00:18:35,680
Scott, I want you to hear
from an eyewitness
418
00:18:35,682 --> 00:18:37,415
who actually saw
the ship.
419
00:18:37,417 --> 00:18:38,850
An eyewitness?
Yes.
420
00:18:38,852 --> 00:18:42,253
♪♪
421
00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:55,032
John, you're telling me
there was an eyewitness
422
00:18:55,034 --> 00:18:57,135
who actually saw
this Viking ship?
423
00:18:57,137 --> 00:18:58,136
When did he see it?
424
00:18:58,138 --> 00:18:59,604
In the early 1900s.
425
00:18:59,606 --> 00:19:01,939
The guy's name
is Elmer Carver.
426
00:19:01,941 --> 00:19:04,876
He recorded
what he saw in 1964,
427
00:19:04,878 --> 00:19:06,477
then he died
shortly after.
428
00:19:06,479 --> 00:19:10,114
Primary-source material
is always the golden thread.
429
00:19:10,116 --> 00:19:12,783
So, what did he see?
430
00:19:12,785 --> 00:19:16,621
Around 1907, Elmer Carver
worked for a local farmer
431
00:19:16,623 --> 00:19:18,356
by the name
of Niles Jacobsen.
432
00:19:18,358 --> 00:19:20,458
And when he went
to Jacobsen's farm,
433
00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:24,729
the first thing he noticed
that the boards on the hog pen
434
00:19:24,731 --> 00:19:26,764
were really long,
really thick,
435
00:19:26,766 --> 00:19:29,800
and were held up
by pegs instead of nails.
436
00:19:29,802 --> 00:19:31,602
So he goes,
"Well, that's odd."
437
00:19:31,604 --> 00:19:32,937
And he asked Jacobsen
about it,
438
00:19:32,939 --> 00:19:35,907
and Jacobsen says,
"Oh, I get them from ship."
439
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:37,675
And he goes, "What are you
talking about, a ship?"
440
00:19:37,677 --> 00:19:40,344
Didn't really go into detail
over it right then and there,
441
00:19:40,346 --> 00:19:42,380
but Jacobsen showed him
all the chores he had to do,
442
00:19:42,382 --> 00:19:43,781
then the next day,
Carver went out
443
00:19:43,783 --> 00:19:44,849
and looked
at the ship.
444
00:19:44,851 --> 00:19:46,617
That's when he found out
what it was.
445
00:19:46,619 --> 00:19:48,119
So, he actually saw it?
446
00:19:48,121 --> 00:19:50,421
Physically
touched the ship.
447
00:19:50,423 --> 00:19:51,989
Nobody has really listened
to the tape
448
00:19:51,991 --> 00:19:54,158
other than the guy
who owns the tape and myself,
449
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,795
but I've been granted
the extreme special permission
450
00:19:57,797 --> 00:19:59,931
to allow you
to listen to the tape.
451
00:19:59,933 --> 00:20:01,399
Well,
I sure appreciate that.
452
00:20:01,401 --> 00:20:02,567
The only issue
with this
453
00:20:02,569 --> 00:20:06,037
is it's a very old
reel-to-reel recording.
454
00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:08,005
WOLTER:
John only got the tape recently
455
00:20:08,007 --> 00:20:11,776
and hasn't had it transferred
over to a more modern medium.
456
00:20:11,778 --> 00:20:13,844
After you, pal.
Thank you.
457
00:20:13,846 --> 00:20:16,747
WOLTER: Good thing we found
Simply At Home Antiques,
458
00:20:16,749 --> 00:20:20,218
and the shop let us use
their reel-to-reel player.
459
00:20:20,220 --> 00:20:23,120
Aha!
460
00:20:23,122 --> 00:20:31,796
♪♪
461
00:20:31,798 --> 00:20:35,333
As we're putting on this reel
with Elmer Carver's testimony,
462
00:20:35,335 --> 00:20:38,502
I can't believe I'm going to be
one of only a couple people
463
00:20:38,504 --> 00:20:39,971
to ever hear it.
464
00:20:39,973 --> 00:20:41,505
I'm really hoping
there are clues
465
00:20:41,507 --> 00:20:43,307
that could lead us
to the ship.
466
00:20:43,309 --> 00:20:48,379
♪♪
467
00:20:48,381 --> 00:20:54,619
CARVER:
I had gone out and looked at this...wreck of the boat.
468
00:20:56,689 --> 00:20:59,123
That was a peculiar looking thing.
469
00:20:59,125 --> 00:21:03,861
About 200 foot... in back of the house.
470
00:21:03,863 --> 00:21:05,563
WOLTER: About 200 feet.
471
00:21:05,565 --> 00:21:07,531
Well, if we can find out
where the house was...
472
00:21:07,533 --> 00:21:08,699
GRASSON:
That's the key.
473
00:21:08,701 --> 00:21:11,335
That's what I've been
searching for for years.
474
00:21:11,337 --> 00:21:18,843
There was a bow of the boat all just stuck up
475
00:21:18,845 --> 00:21:21,946
about six foot out of the ground.
476
00:21:21,948 --> 00:21:27,118
The stern post...that stuck up
477
00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:31,956
about maybe four feet above the ground.
478
00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:35,993
And then along each were the ribs of the boat,
479
00:21:35,995 --> 00:21:38,496
so it looked like a skeleton.
480
00:21:38,498 --> 00:21:41,932
But some of the ribs were missing.
481
00:21:41,934 --> 00:21:46,904
Also on that hog pen was some kind of looked like metal,
482
00:21:46,906 --> 00:21:50,808
and I've always wondered where he got that metal.
483
00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:55,846
But I think that was some of the sheathing off of that ship.
484
00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:58,115
Metal could have been on the
front of the ship, on the bow,
485
00:21:58,117 --> 00:22:00,618
when they were going through
the Northwest Passage.
486
00:22:00,620 --> 00:22:01,619
Didn't even
think about that.
487
00:22:01,621 --> 00:22:04,555
Protect it from ice.
488
00:22:04,557 --> 00:22:08,259
WOLTER:
Elmer's account of the ship
goes on for 45 minutes.
489
00:22:08,261 --> 00:22:11,228
It sounds like the ship
was 50 to 60 feet long
490
00:22:11,230 --> 00:22:13,597
and was broken apart
by Niles the farmer,
491
00:22:13,599 --> 00:22:16,400
who used its wood and metal
for the hog pen
492
00:22:16,402 --> 00:22:18,936
and other things
on his property.
493
00:22:18,938 --> 00:22:21,806
Over time, the ship
was simply forgotten...
494
00:22:21,808 --> 00:22:24,675
♪♪
495
00:22:24,677 --> 00:22:27,011
...more legend
than anything else.
496
00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:28,479
♪♪
497
00:22:28,481 --> 00:22:32,483
Well, Elmer is a very
interesting firsthand witness.
498
00:22:32,485 --> 00:22:34,151
I mean, he definitely
saw the ship.
499
00:22:34,153 --> 00:22:36,420
That is critical,
and for the most part,
500
00:22:36,422 --> 00:22:38,222
I thought he sounded
really credible.
501
00:22:38,224 --> 00:22:39,890
He provides
a lot of details.
502
00:22:39,892 --> 00:22:41,759
I mean, you know,
the bow was sticking up
503
00:22:41,761 --> 00:22:44,628
six feet above the ground
after the storm uncovered it.
504
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:45,763
I liked the fact
505
00:22:45,765 --> 00:22:47,698
that he said that there was
a mound before.
506
00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:49,066
It was uncovered.
507
00:22:49,068 --> 00:22:50,701
He saw the ribs
of the ship.
508
00:22:50,703 --> 00:22:53,170
He said it's 200 feet
behind the house.
509
00:22:53,172 --> 00:22:55,639
I mean, we've got a lot of
details here to follow up on.
510
00:22:55,641 --> 00:22:56,640
Absolutely.
511
00:22:56,642 --> 00:22:58,409
I also like
he mentioned the metal.
512
00:22:58,411 --> 00:23:01,545
I mean, if it was all wood,
that's one type of a search,
513
00:23:01,547 --> 00:23:02,980
but if there's metal
involved,
514
00:23:02,982 --> 00:23:05,383
well, that opens up
a whole bunch of other things
515
00:23:05,385 --> 00:23:06,717
like metal detecting.
516
00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:09,553
And if that ship
is truly a Viking ship
517
00:23:09,555 --> 00:23:12,089
that came here
1,000 years ago,
518
00:23:12,091 --> 00:23:14,425
that rewrites
the whole history book.
519
00:23:14,427 --> 00:23:18,396
♪♪
520
00:23:20,032 --> 00:23:25,169
♪♪
521
00:23:25,171 --> 00:23:30,307
♪♪
522
00:23:30,309 --> 00:23:32,143
WOLTER: John and I
picked up plat maps
523
00:23:32,145 --> 00:23:34,245
at the local property
records department
524
00:23:34,247 --> 00:23:35,913
and together try to figure out
525
00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:39,483
exactly where Niles Jacobsen's
property was located
526
00:23:39,485 --> 00:23:42,987
to narrow down an area
where the ship might be.
527
00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:45,856
This is
a 1908 survey map,
528
00:23:45,858 --> 00:23:48,626
and this shows all
the farm and ranch areas
529
00:23:48,628 --> 00:23:50,127
that were east
of Imperial.
530
00:23:50,129 --> 00:23:53,297
Jacobsen owned one,
two, three, four,
531
00:23:53,299 --> 00:23:55,266
five, and six properties.
Okay.
532
00:23:55,268 --> 00:23:56,600
But you have
to match that up
533
00:23:56,602 --> 00:23:58,836
with what Carver said
on the tape, as well --
534
00:23:58,838 --> 00:24:00,137
what year, what time --
535
00:24:00,139 --> 00:24:02,840
'cause he didn't buy all this
property at the same time,
536
00:24:02,842 --> 00:24:05,242
and that leads us
to tract 164.
537
00:24:05,244 --> 00:24:07,144
So, you think
this is the tract
538
00:24:07,146 --> 00:24:10,114
where he saw the ship
200 feet behind the house?
Yes.
539
00:24:10,116 --> 00:24:11,582
So, you know what we have
to do now?
540
00:24:11,584 --> 00:24:13,017
What's that?
We have to figure out
541
00:24:13,019 --> 00:24:15,753
who owns that
property today.
542
00:24:15,755 --> 00:24:21,959
♪♪
543
00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:28,199
♪♪
544
00:24:28,201 --> 00:24:30,835
After making a few calls,
John and I learned
545
00:24:30,837 --> 00:24:33,337
that the Jacobsen house
that used to be there
546
00:24:33,339 --> 00:24:36,073
isn't standing anymore.
547
00:24:36,075 --> 00:24:38,742
But we know where
it would have been,
548
00:24:38,744 --> 00:24:41,545
and we find out
a family of dairy farmers,
549
00:24:41,547 --> 00:24:44,682
the Schaffners,
own the farm today.
550
00:24:44,684 --> 00:24:51,355
♪♪
551
00:24:51,357 --> 00:24:52,923
Hello.
How can I help you gentlemen?
552
00:24:52,925 --> 00:24:55,125
You look like a guy
with an open mind.
553
00:24:55,127 --> 00:24:56,293
Uh, I don't know.
554
00:24:56,295 --> 00:24:59,263
[ Laughs ] Well,
I'm a forensic geologist,
555
00:24:59,265 --> 00:25:02,266
and I investigate mysteries
all over the United States.
556
00:25:02,268 --> 00:25:04,168
We're investigating this
whole possibility
557
00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:05,736
that maybe Vikings
could have come
558
00:25:05,738 --> 00:25:07,638
into the Southwest
area here,
559
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,273
as you know,
living in this area,
560
00:25:09,275 --> 00:25:11,308
that there was a giant lake
here at one time.
561
00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:12,543
That is true.
562
00:25:12,545 --> 00:25:14,478
Have you ever heard the legend
of a Viking ship
563
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,847
buried in the desert
somewhere around here?
564
00:25:16,849 --> 00:25:18,249
I actually have.
565
00:25:18,251 --> 00:25:20,017
We think it might be
on your property.
566
00:25:20,019 --> 00:25:21,719
You think
it's on our property?
567
00:25:21,721 --> 00:25:23,654
Well, we're pretty convinced
that it is.
568
00:25:23,656 --> 00:25:26,957
♪♪
569
00:25:26,959 --> 00:25:29,093
Here's the tract --
number 164 --
570
00:25:29,095 --> 00:25:32,229
where we think that this
Viking ship could be.
571
00:25:32,231 --> 00:25:33,297
Is that your property?
572
00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:34,431
Yeah, it is.
573
00:25:34,433 --> 00:25:36,100
Well, John and I
just listened to a recording
574
00:25:36,102 --> 00:25:38,202
where we heard
a firsthand witness tell us
575
00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:41,839
that there was a residence here,
and 200 feet north,
576
00:25:41,841 --> 00:25:44,975
he said he saw
a Viking ship.
577
00:25:44,977 --> 00:25:46,110
Really?
578
00:25:46,112 --> 00:25:47,244
What do you think?
579
00:25:47,246 --> 00:25:48,779
Well, I've heard
the legend before,
580
00:25:48,781 --> 00:25:51,682
but I never thought in a million
years it would be on our farm.
581
00:25:51,684 --> 00:25:53,050
Here's what
we'd like to do.
582
00:25:53,052 --> 00:25:54,718
We'd like to bring
in a geophysicist
583
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,186
with a magnetometer,
584
00:25:56,188 --> 00:25:59,089
and he would scan the property
in our area of interest,
585
00:25:59,091 --> 00:26:02,693
and if we do find some
anomalies, we'd like to dig.
586
00:26:02,695 --> 00:26:04,628
You want to help us
find a Viking ship?
587
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:06,030
SCHAFFNER: Well,
I got a backhoe.
588
00:26:06,032 --> 00:26:08,165
I'd be more than happy to play
in the dirt with you guys.
589
00:26:08,167 --> 00:26:14,138
♪♪
590
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:20,144
♪♪
591
00:26:20,146 --> 00:26:22,580
WOLTER: I'm going to need help
scanning below the ground
592
00:26:22,582 --> 00:26:26,250
for anything unusual
to find a good spot to dig,
593
00:26:26,252 --> 00:26:29,486
so I reached out to
geophysicist Patrick Lehrmann,
594
00:26:29,488 --> 00:26:31,922
who has tools
to detect anomalies
595
00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:34,491
that suggests
things deeply buried.
596
00:26:34,493 --> 00:26:37,928
I've updated him on
everything we've learned so far.
597
00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:39,163
Hey, Patrick.
598
00:26:39,165 --> 00:26:41,065
WOLTER: And it didn't take
a lot of persuading
599
00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:43,367
to get him out here to help.
600
00:26:43,369 --> 00:26:45,970
Now, remember, we're talking
about a wooden ship,
601
00:26:45,972 --> 00:26:47,471
and there were two kinds
of Viking ships
602
00:26:47,473 --> 00:26:49,340
back about
1,000 years ago.
603
00:26:49,342 --> 00:26:51,976
There was a knarr,
and then the long boat style
604
00:26:51,978 --> 00:26:55,879
that had the dragon on the front
that everybody is familiar with.
605
00:26:55,881 --> 00:26:58,983
Viking long ships were
the enviable vessels of the sea
606
00:26:58,985 --> 00:27:01,619
between the 8th
and 11th centuries.
607
00:27:01,621 --> 00:27:03,387
Designed with a shallow hull,
608
00:27:03,389 --> 00:27:06,423
they were capable of
reaching speeds of 15 knots
609
00:27:06,425 --> 00:27:08,759
or 17 miles per hour.
610
00:27:08,761 --> 00:27:11,028
These sleek ships were both
sturdy enough
611
00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:12,563
to navigate rough seas,
612
00:27:12,565 --> 00:27:16,200
but light enough to be carried
over portages as needed.
613
00:27:16,202 --> 00:27:18,769
And knarrs
were sturdy cargo ships
614
00:27:18,771 --> 00:27:21,405
capable of carrying
the spoils of Viking raids
615
00:27:21,407 --> 00:27:24,241
up to 75 miles per day.
616
00:27:24,243 --> 00:27:25,576
There was a piece of metal
617
00:27:25,578 --> 00:27:27,878
reportedly found
along with the wood.
618
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,615
We're thinking there was copper
or brass or bronze sheets
619
00:27:31,617 --> 00:27:35,285
that were put on the front of
the ship to protect it from ice.
620
00:27:35,287 --> 00:27:39,757
So you might encounter wood,
metal, who knows what else.
621
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:41,992
LEHRMANN:
I brought a number of different
pieces of equipment,
622
00:27:41,994 --> 00:27:44,228
but I think that we should
start with the magnetometer.
623
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:47,264
We can cover a lot of ground
with that fairly quickly.
624
00:27:47,266 --> 00:27:49,033
I think our first stage
should be to look
625
00:27:49,035 --> 00:27:52,102
for any anomalies
we see over a larger area,
626
00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:54,571
and then when we find
some targets,
627
00:27:54,573 --> 00:27:56,507
we should then focus
on those
628
00:27:56,509 --> 00:27:59,276
with a couple of other
instruments, including the GPR.
629
00:27:59,278 --> 00:28:00,778
Well, Patrick,
let's get after it.
630
00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:03,981
♪♪
631
00:28:03,983 --> 00:28:06,950
We're covering six acres
with the magnetometer,
632
00:28:06,952 --> 00:28:08,519
which can detect metals,
633
00:28:08,521 --> 00:28:11,155
and using the GPS
in the exact spot
634
00:28:11,157 --> 00:28:14,391
where Elmer Carver
said he saw this ship.
635
00:28:14,393 --> 00:28:16,493
[ Equipment beeping ]
636
00:28:16,495 --> 00:28:17,928
I hear plenty of beeping,
637
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:20,097
but we won't know
what might be underground
638
00:28:20,099 --> 00:28:23,100
until we download the data
to Patrick's computer,
639
00:28:23,102 --> 00:28:26,003
which takes
just a few minutes.
640
00:28:26,005 --> 00:28:27,571
LEHRMANN:
Finished processing the data,
641
00:28:27,573 --> 00:28:30,040
and I made a map
of what I found.
642
00:28:30,042 --> 00:28:33,010
The bright colors, the reds
and the fuchsia and yellow,
643
00:28:33,012 --> 00:28:34,278
those are anomalies.
644
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,879
It's in the Southwest corner
645
00:28:35,881 --> 00:28:38,048
where you thought
the farmhouse would be
646
00:28:38,050 --> 00:28:39,850
and potentially
where the buried ship
647
00:28:39,852 --> 00:28:41,518
was supposed to be, as well.
648
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,388
So, basically,
this little rectangle here
649
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:45,856
is this strip right here.
650
00:28:45,858 --> 00:28:49,226
Yeah, it's about 200 feet long
and extends 200 feet
651
00:28:49,228 --> 00:28:51,095
from where we started
over here.
652
00:28:51,097 --> 00:28:54,064
This almost looks like
the ribs of the ship.
653
00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:58,502
♪♪
654
00:29:06,078 --> 00:29:09,179
♪♪
655
00:29:09,181 --> 00:29:12,116
[ Birds chirping ]
656
00:29:12,118 --> 00:29:16,787
Look at how it's got these --
they look like ribs of a ship.
657
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:17,788
Possibly.
658
00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:19,223
But then
right in the middle,
659
00:29:19,225 --> 00:29:23,026
which could be the keel
of our Viking ship,
660
00:29:23,028 --> 00:29:24,495
it looks like
we got a hot spot.
661
00:29:24,497 --> 00:29:27,131
Maybe that's where the metal
was close to the keel.
662
00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:28,398
This is incredible.
663
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,135
I mean, do you really expect
to find something like this?
664
00:29:31,137 --> 00:29:32,669
I mean,
this is absolutely cool.
665
00:29:32,671 --> 00:29:34,905
Hell, yes, I expected
to find something.
666
00:29:34,907 --> 00:29:37,141
Okay, so now this is
getting scary. [ Laughs ]
667
00:29:37,143 --> 00:29:38,475
No, now
it's getting fun.
668
00:29:38,477 --> 00:29:41,411
I mean, this is just like
we heard on the tape,
669
00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:44,715
exactly like Elmer said
on the reel-to-reel.
670
00:29:44,717 --> 00:29:45,783
I'm gonna get
on the phone,
671
00:29:45,785 --> 00:29:47,584
get Chase out here
with that backhoe.
672
00:29:47,586 --> 00:29:52,055
♪♪
673
00:29:52,057 --> 00:29:54,658
WOLTER: One of the challenges
with scans like these
674
00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:57,594
is that sometimes
very small solid objects
675
00:29:57,596 --> 00:30:00,063
appear much larger on screen,
676
00:30:00,065 --> 00:30:02,533
but I'm hoping
for a very big find.
677
00:30:02,535 --> 00:30:06,703
♪♪
678
00:30:06,705 --> 00:30:08,705
Yeah, just clean it out,
and then we're good.
679
00:30:08,707 --> 00:30:15,546
♪♪
680
00:30:15,548 --> 00:30:18,115
We should just dig through here
and see what we find,
681
00:30:18,117 --> 00:30:20,584
if there's anything that
might create that anomaly.
682
00:30:20,586 --> 00:30:22,352
We might take
the instrument out
683
00:30:22,354 --> 00:30:24,388
and see if we have
any responses here.
684
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:30,060
♪♪
685
00:30:30,062 --> 00:30:32,729
[ Metal detector chirping ]
686
00:30:32,731 --> 00:30:38,001
♪♪
687
00:30:38,003 --> 00:30:43,273
♪♪
688
00:30:43,275 --> 00:30:45,509
WOLTER:
It's important to go through
the piles of dirt
689
00:30:45,511 --> 00:30:49,746
that Chase is dumping to ensure
that nothing gets by us.
690
00:30:49,748 --> 00:30:51,281
What the hell is that?
691
00:30:51,283 --> 00:30:52,516
Do you think
it's wood?
692
00:30:52,518 --> 00:30:54,885
You know what?
This is not wood.
693
00:30:54,887 --> 00:30:56,753
This is clay.
694
00:30:56,755 --> 00:30:58,989
You see on the side,
those little pieces there?
695
00:30:58,991 --> 00:31:01,425
Let's go in
and look at that.
696
00:31:01,427 --> 00:31:04,428
Well, this is material that was
at the bottom of the lake.
697
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:05,963
Do you see how
it's got those lines?
698
00:31:05,965 --> 00:31:07,097
Yeah.
699
00:31:07,099 --> 00:31:10,734
They look like varves
that you see in old lakes.
700
00:31:10,736 --> 00:31:12,736
WOLTER:
The fact that we're finding
these varves
701
00:31:12,738 --> 00:31:16,673
means the lake came this far
into Imperial, California.
702
00:31:16,675 --> 00:31:18,175
But what about the ship?
703
00:31:18,177 --> 00:31:21,011
This is the lake bottom right
here going all the way down.
704
00:31:21,013 --> 00:31:22,846
This is hardpan clay.
705
00:31:22,848 --> 00:31:24,915
If the ship was here,
okay,
706
00:31:24,917 --> 00:31:28,185
it would be probably
in this zone here
707
00:31:28,187 --> 00:31:29,987
sitting on top
of the mud.
708
00:31:29,989 --> 00:31:32,489
It doesn't make any sense
to go deeper
709
00:31:32,491 --> 00:31:35,425
because this would have been
pretty hard mud,
710
00:31:35,427 --> 00:31:37,928
and if the ship was sticking up
out of the ground...
711
00:31:37,930 --> 00:31:39,563
It wouldn't have been
any further down.
712
00:31:39,565 --> 00:31:41,365
Well, it certainly wouldn't
be deeper than this.
713
00:31:41,367 --> 00:31:42,699
Yeah.
714
00:31:42,701 --> 00:31:45,636
Well, you're convinced
that the anomaly
715
00:31:45,638 --> 00:31:48,605
that you got is metal,
and it's here somewhere.
716
00:31:48,607 --> 00:31:49,873
Yeah, it has to be.
717
00:31:49,875 --> 00:31:51,575
Why don't you take
the metal detector.
718
00:31:51,577 --> 00:31:54,311
Let's do the piles.
Go through them carefully.
719
00:31:54,313 --> 00:31:55,312
Sounds great.
720
00:31:55,314 --> 00:31:58,048
[ Metal detector
chirping lightly ]
721
00:31:58,050 --> 00:32:06,356
♪♪
722
00:32:06,358 --> 00:32:10,761
[ Chirping intensifies ]
723
00:32:10,763 --> 00:32:11,995
Hey [Laughing] Scott.
724
00:32:11,997 --> 00:32:13,163
I got something here.
725
00:32:13,165 --> 00:32:15,766
[ Chirping continues ]
726
00:32:15,768 --> 00:32:21,805
♪♪
727
00:32:21,807 --> 00:32:23,507
Here,
hand me that shovel.
728
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:25,842
[ Chirping continues ]
729
00:32:25,844 --> 00:32:27,644
[ Strained ]
All right. Yep.
730
00:32:27,646 --> 00:32:28,879
[ Grunts ]
731
00:32:28,881 --> 00:32:30,547
[ Chirping intensifies ]
732
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:37,220
♪♪
733
00:32:37,222 --> 00:32:38,655
That felt like metal.
734
00:32:38,657 --> 00:32:41,325
Yep, there's
something there.
735
00:32:41,327 --> 00:32:42,926
Wait, what is that?
Listen.
736
00:32:42,928 --> 00:32:44,461
[ Shovel thuds ]
737
00:32:44,463 --> 00:32:45,562
Did you hear that?
738
00:32:45,564 --> 00:32:46,697
What is it?
739
00:32:46,699 --> 00:32:48,265
[ Laughing ] Oh!
740
00:32:48,267 --> 00:32:53,937
♪♪
741
00:32:53,939 --> 00:32:59,609
♪♪
742
00:32:59,611 --> 00:33:02,846
That's a piece
of rebar.
743
00:33:02,848 --> 00:33:05,782
So you're confident this was
our anomaly that we hit here?
744
00:33:05,784 --> 00:33:07,484
I'm sure this is what
we were seeing.
745
00:33:07,486 --> 00:33:10,988
It's disappointing.
We had good data.
746
00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:13,790
WOLTER:
So, how did a small piece
of rebar show up
747
00:33:13,792 --> 00:33:17,394
as such a huge reading
on Patrick's magnetometer?
748
00:33:17,396 --> 00:33:19,329
Turns out,
the answer is simple,
749
00:33:19,331 --> 00:33:21,832
but it's also over our heads.
750
00:33:21,834 --> 00:33:23,967
It's power lines.
751
00:33:23,969 --> 00:33:26,103
They can sometimes
cause interference
752
00:33:26,105 --> 00:33:28,105
in geophysical data.
753
00:33:28,107 --> 00:33:30,574
In this case,
I think the magnetometer
754
00:33:30,576 --> 00:33:34,044
picked up the electricity
coursing through these lines,
755
00:33:34,046 --> 00:33:37,914
leading us to believe we'd be
finding something much larger.
756
00:33:37,916 --> 00:33:39,216
Hey, Chase.
757
00:33:39,218 --> 00:33:41,418
Thanks for letting me put
some holes in your property.
758
00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:43,553
I appreciate it.
No problem. It was fun.
759
00:33:43,555 --> 00:33:45,122
Maybe next time,
we'll find a Viking ship.
760
00:33:45,124 --> 00:33:46,123
Yeah, next time.
761
00:33:46,125 --> 00:33:49,726
♪♪
762
00:33:49,728 --> 00:33:52,529
WOLTER: Well, John [Sighs]
we gave it our best effort,
763
00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:56,800
and as you can see...
no Viking ship.
764
00:33:56,802 --> 00:33:58,335
I'm happy
that we're here.
765
00:33:58,337 --> 00:33:59,870
I'm happy
that you gave it a shot.
766
00:33:59,872 --> 00:34:01,505
Only thing I can say
is it's just not here.
767
00:34:01,507 --> 00:34:02,939
It doesn't mean
it's not here.
768
00:34:02,941 --> 00:34:04,574
It's just not here.
769
00:34:04,576 --> 00:34:06,777
And I'm very happy
with what you've done.
770
00:34:06,779 --> 00:34:07,878
Thank you very much.
771
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,146
Well,
you're quite welcome,
772
00:34:09,148 --> 00:34:11,314
and I'm not gonna give up
on this story
773
00:34:11,316 --> 00:34:13,316
just because
we didn't find a ship.
774
00:34:13,318 --> 00:34:14,684
I'm not done yet.
775
00:34:14,686 --> 00:34:21,925
♪♪
776
00:34:21,927 --> 00:34:29,166
♪♪
777
00:34:29,168 --> 00:34:32,669
I'm crossing the Mexican border
into Baja California
778
00:34:32,671 --> 00:34:35,639
where the Seri Indians
have a legend of a longboat
779
00:34:35,641 --> 00:34:37,107
arriving on their shores
780
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:40,310
carrying strange tall people
with yellow hair.
781
00:34:40,312 --> 00:34:43,713
And the front of their boat
was shaped like a dragon.
782
00:34:43,715 --> 00:34:46,116
The Seris even
immortalized the legend
783
00:34:46,118 --> 00:34:49,453
by carving
what they saw in stone.
784
00:34:49,455 --> 00:34:52,322
I've only ever seen a picture
of the petroglyph,
785
00:34:52,324 --> 00:34:53,957
but I've called
a local historian
786
00:34:53,959 --> 00:34:57,194
to lead me to it
so I can try to date it.
787
00:34:57,196 --> 00:35:00,030
If it's old enough,
then maybe the Seri Indians
788
00:35:00,032 --> 00:35:02,866
witnessed a band of Vikings
that could have carried
789
00:35:02,868 --> 00:35:05,902
Harry Atkins' artifacts
into the desert.
790
00:35:05,904 --> 00:35:08,705
This petroglyph that we're gonna
look at is so important,
791
00:35:08,707 --> 00:35:11,074
and I'm really anxious
to see it.
792
00:35:11,076 --> 00:35:13,343
So, tell me
a little bit more about it.
793
00:35:13,345 --> 00:35:16,313
What it shows is
that the native people,
794
00:35:16,315 --> 00:35:18,548
from over 1,000 years ago
perhaps,
795
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:21,451
saw this ship go by,
and it moved them so much
796
00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:23,153
that they had
to inscribe it into rock.
797
00:35:23,155 --> 00:35:26,089
Well, this wouldn't be
the first petroglyph of a ship
798
00:35:26,091 --> 00:35:28,125
that looked to be European
799
00:35:28,127 --> 00:35:30,794
carved by Native Americans
that I've seen.
800
00:35:30,796 --> 00:35:33,897
There's actually one right
near the shore of Lake Superior
801
00:35:33,899 --> 00:35:36,333
up in the U.P. of Michigan.
802
00:35:36,335 --> 00:35:39,236
WOLTER: The ship carving has
the same square-shaped sail
803
00:35:39,238 --> 00:35:43,006
as the petroglyph I'm about
to check out in Baja.
804
00:35:43,008 --> 00:35:45,842
In the past, I've also
considered whether that ship
805
00:35:45,844 --> 00:35:48,211
was Minoan,
a Mediterranean culture
806
00:35:48,213 --> 00:35:50,981
that used a sail
similar to the Vikings.
807
00:35:50,983 --> 00:35:54,651
But I think both carvings
could be evidence that not one,
808
00:35:54,653 --> 00:35:56,786
but multiple Viking voyages
809
00:35:56,788 --> 00:36:00,423
ended far into the lands
of the new world.
810
00:36:00,425 --> 00:36:05,295
♪♪
811
00:36:05,297 --> 00:36:06,496
Look at the size
of that thing.
812
00:36:06,498 --> 00:36:08,965
Yeah.
And they get bigger.
813
00:36:08,967 --> 00:36:10,767
♪♪
814
00:36:10,769 --> 00:36:11,968
Watch your footing.
815
00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:15,038
I'll take a bullet
if there's a rattlesnake.
816
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:20,510
♪♪
817
00:36:20,512 --> 00:36:25,949
♪♪
818
00:36:25,951 --> 00:36:27,284
Oh [Laughing]
there it is.
819
00:36:27,286 --> 00:36:31,454
♪♪
820
00:36:31,456 --> 00:36:33,156
This sticks out
like a sore thumb.
821
00:36:33,158 --> 00:36:35,725
I see a ship,
I see the curved bow,
822
00:36:35,727 --> 00:36:41,498
and it looks like
it could be a Viking ship.
823
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:43,500
You've got what looks
like a sail
824
00:36:43,502 --> 00:36:45,235
standing
on a vertical mast
825
00:36:45,237 --> 00:36:47,971
right in the middle that
has upturned front end
826
00:36:47,973 --> 00:36:49,806
and an upturned
back end.
827
00:36:49,808 --> 00:36:51,808
Just look at the detail
that went into the sail,
828
00:36:51,810 --> 00:36:53,777
and something definitely
stood out
829
00:36:53,779 --> 00:36:56,713
with these people
on what they saw.
830
00:36:56,715 --> 00:36:58,114
That almost
looks like a tongue,
831
00:36:58,116 --> 00:37:02,452
or water coming out of the mouth
of a dragon, or a snake.
832
00:37:02,454 --> 00:37:05,622
♪♪
833
00:37:05,624 --> 00:37:07,624
Take a look at this.
834
00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:09,359
You can see the bow
of the ship.
835
00:37:09,361 --> 00:37:12,762
There's your rectangular sail,
a single mast.
836
00:37:12,764 --> 00:37:15,198
You've got the dragon
on the front.
837
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,500
It looks very,
very similar.
838
00:37:17,502 --> 00:37:21,271
WOLTER:
What I'm most interested in
is this petroglyph's age.
839
00:37:21,273 --> 00:37:25,075
The Vikings were exploring
around the year 1,000 A.D.
840
00:37:25,077 --> 00:37:29,379
If this petroglyph is as old as
that, it could be a connection.
841
00:37:29,381 --> 00:37:33,216
WOLTER: Obviously, scholars and
academics have looked at this.
842
00:37:33,218 --> 00:37:34,951
How old
do they say this is?
843
00:37:34,953 --> 00:37:39,522
They've dated it approximately
1,000 to 1,500 A.D.
844
00:37:39,524 --> 00:37:41,324
Well [Laughing] that's
right in our wheelhouse
845
00:37:41,326 --> 00:37:42,659
for the Vikings.
846
00:37:42,661 --> 00:37:44,928
I'm gonna take a closer look
at this with my hand lens.
847
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:49,599
♪♪
848
00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:52,135
This is granite.
849
00:37:52,137 --> 00:37:54,371
Looks like some quartz,
850
00:37:54,373 --> 00:37:59,175
micas, and organics
built up on the surface.
851
00:37:59,177 --> 00:38:02,212
They're also starting to build
up again within the lines,
852
00:38:02,214 --> 00:38:04,381
so this has been here
a while.
853
00:38:04,383 --> 00:38:08,718
As far as how old it is,
you know, 1,000 to 1,500 --
854
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,720
this petroglyph could prove
855
00:38:10,722 --> 00:38:13,323
that the Vikings did come
to the Southwest,
856
00:38:13,325 --> 00:38:15,191
and if that all
pans out,
857
00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:18,228
we're talking about
a huge historical rewrite.
858
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:21,598
♪♪
859
00:38:30,142 --> 00:38:34,110
WOLTER:
Back in Minneapolis, it's time
to give Harry Atkins a call.
860
00:38:34,112 --> 00:38:37,547
Delivering good news is
the best part of my job,
861
00:38:37,549 --> 00:38:40,417
but it doesn't happen
all the time.
862
00:38:40,419 --> 00:38:44,287
The reality is, it's rare for
authentic ancient artifacts
863
00:38:44,289 --> 00:38:48,391
to be found in this country
that aren't Native American.
864
00:38:48,393 --> 00:38:50,226
I can't wait to tell Harry
865
00:38:50,228 --> 00:38:52,462
what he and Bonnie
have their hands on.
866
00:38:52,464 --> 00:38:54,030
♪♪
867
00:38:54,032 --> 00:38:55,565
Hey, Harry.
How you doing?
868
00:38:55,567 --> 00:38:57,067
I'm doing good, sir.
869
00:38:57,069 --> 00:38:59,035
Are you ready
for the results?
870
00:38:59,037 --> 00:39:00,270
I am. I'm more than ready.
871
00:39:00,272 --> 00:39:01,971
I'm excited to hear what you have to say.
872
00:39:01,973 --> 00:39:04,474
I had been looking
for almost 20 years
873
00:39:04,476 --> 00:39:08,144
for real Viking artifacts
that were found here
874
00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:09,179
in the United States.
875
00:39:09,181 --> 00:39:11,481
And guess what?
876
00:39:11,483 --> 00:39:12,916
You have them!
877
00:39:12,918 --> 00:39:13,917
Wow!
878
00:39:13,919 --> 00:39:15,118
They are real.
879
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,821
They are genuine
Viking artifacts,
880
00:39:17,823 --> 00:39:20,323
and I don't know
if I'm more excited than you.
881
00:39:20,325 --> 00:39:21,858
I think it might be me.
882
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:23,326
But let's ask
the question
883
00:39:23,328 --> 00:39:26,496
that everybody's
gonna ask, right?
884
00:39:26,498 --> 00:39:27,764
How did they
get there?
885
00:39:27,766 --> 00:39:28,898
Exactly.
886
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:33,303
Now, the possibilities,
realistically, are two.
887
00:39:33,305 --> 00:39:37,440
The first is that we had
an immigrant from Scandinavia
888
00:39:37,442 --> 00:39:39,409
that brought
these artifacts with them,
889
00:39:39,411 --> 00:39:42,245
but let's take a look at it
from the other possibility.
890
00:39:42,247 --> 00:39:45,582
What if it was Vikings
that brought these artifacts
891
00:39:45,584 --> 00:39:48,685
that they collected
and then brought them over here.
892
00:39:48,687 --> 00:39:49,919
Right.
893
00:39:49,921 --> 00:39:52,989
Probably the most compelling
evidence -- down in Baja,
894
00:39:52,991 --> 00:39:55,592
I saw a petroglyph,
and in my opinion,
895
00:39:55,594 --> 00:39:57,394
it looked like
a Viking ship.
896
00:39:57,396 --> 00:39:58,728
Wow.
897
00:39:58,730 --> 00:40:01,431
There is a Native American
legend with the Seri tribe
898
00:40:01,433 --> 00:40:04,067
that is right there near
where this petroglyph
899
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:08,638
was that talks about a ship
that had blond-haired,
900
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,909
blue-eyed people
that was sailing to the north,
901
00:40:12,911 --> 00:40:16,246
and this fits in perfect
with the thesis that we have
902
00:40:16,248 --> 00:40:20,183
that the Vikings could have made
it across the Northwest Passage,
903
00:40:20,185 --> 00:40:24,220
came around Alaska,
the West Coast around Baja,
904
00:40:24,222 --> 00:40:27,457
up the Gulf of California
into the Salton Sea,
905
00:40:27,459 --> 00:40:30,527
and then maybe just
a little bit beyond to Sedona.
906
00:40:30,529 --> 00:40:33,463
[ Laughs ] Oh, I'm excited. That's really cool to hear.
907
00:40:33,465 --> 00:40:35,098
You got to be thinking
about your dad.
908
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:36,733
I mean,
what would he say
909
00:40:36,735 --> 00:40:39,235
if he could be part
of this conversation?
910
00:40:39,237 --> 00:40:42,572
He would say this is, you know, this is so cool that,
911
00:40:42,574 --> 00:40:45,141
you know, these items were found.
912
00:40:45,143 --> 00:40:46,609
They're brought here.
913
00:40:46,611 --> 00:40:48,845
You followed where they came from,
914
00:40:48,847 --> 00:40:52,749
but not only that, it adds a new possibility, or page,
915
00:40:52,751 --> 00:40:55,952
to what is given history, so to speak.
916
00:40:55,954 --> 00:40:57,220
It may have taken
a while.
917
00:40:57,222 --> 00:41:00,056
Unfortunately,
he didn't live to see it,
918
00:41:00,058 --> 00:41:03,259
but there's a part of me
that thinks he's watching this,
919
00:41:03,261 --> 00:41:04,494
and he knows.
920
00:41:04,496 --> 00:41:06,296
Me too. Me too.
921
00:41:06,298 --> 00:41:08,431
♪♪
922
00:41:08,433 --> 00:41:10,366
WOLTER: The quest
for the truth in this case
923
00:41:10,368 --> 00:41:13,670
has been a Viking saga
of the modern age.
924
00:41:13,672 --> 00:41:15,605
There's no question
Bonnie and Harry
925
00:41:15,607 --> 00:41:20,210
have authentic Viking artifacts
over 1,000 years old,
926
00:41:20,212 --> 00:41:22,078
and whether they were
brought here on a ship
927
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,947
in 1,000 A.D.
928
00:41:23,949 --> 00:41:26,149
or found their way
here some other way,
929
00:41:26,151 --> 00:41:30,220
this is a fantastic story
no matter what.
930
00:41:30,222 --> 00:41:34,023
In ancient history, the legend
of the Vikings loom large,
931
00:41:34,025 --> 00:41:37,660
but I think their real journeys
are even more amazing
932
00:41:37,662 --> 00:41:41,064
and are adventures we're only
beginning to understand.
933
00:41:43,268 --> 00:41:45,001
If you have
a mysterious artifact
934
00:41:45,003 --> 00:41:47,871
or site I need to see,
I want to know about it.
935
00:41:47,873 --> 00:41:52,108
Go to travelchannel.com
/americaunearthed.
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