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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,079 --> 00:00:14,079 SHE'S ATTACKED IN HER GARAGE? 2 00:00:14,081 --> 00:00:15,147 SHE'S SHOT. 3 00:00:15,983 --> 00:00:18,484 AND THAT'S WHAT KILLS HER. 4 00:00:18,486 --> 00:00:20,619 SHE'S ALSO STABBED, 5 00:00:20,621 --> 00:00:22,621 WHICH MAYBE DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. 6 00:00:26,260 --> 00:00:29,294 SO NO SEXUAL ASSAULT, NO ROBBERY. 7 00:00:29,296 --> 00:00:31,397 WHAT WERE YOU THINKING THIS WAS ABOUT? 8 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:33,165 MURDER FOR MURDER'S SAKE. 9 00:00:33,167 --> 00:00:34,400 A SOCIOPATH. 10 00:00:38,973 --> 00:00:41,874 THIS GRANDMOTHER AND HER DAUGHTER -- WHY? 11 00:00:41,876 --> 00:00:44,176 THAT WAS THE BIG QUESTION. 12 00:00:44,178 --> 00:00:45,944 THERE WASN'T ANY NEGOTIATING. 13 00:00:45,946 --> 00:00:47,413 THERE WASN'T ANY TALKING. 14 00:00:49,817 --> 00:00:52,117 WE NOTICED MRS. MARQUARDT LAYING HERE 15 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:54,386 WITH A POOL OF BLOOD UNDERNEATH OF HER HEAD. 16 00:00:58,325 --> 00:01:00,993 IT'S NOT JUST A BRUTAL DOUBLE MURDER HERE, 17 00:01:00,995 --> 00:01:04,296 BUT HE ALREADY GOT AWAY WITH ONE OTHER KILLING. 18 00:01:04,298 --> 00:01:06,965 SO, WERE YOU SEARCHING FOR MURDERS 19 00:01:06,967 --> 00:01:11,603 THAT HAPPENED ANYWHERE BETWEEN WISCONSIN AND FLORIDA? 20 00:01:11,605 --> 00:01:15,474 IF THIS ISN'T IT, IT'S NEVER GONNA BE IT. 21 00:01:15,476 --> 00:01:18,343 MY NAME IS ANNA-SIGGA NICOLAZZI. 22 00:01:18,345 --> 00:01:19,878 IN MY TWO DECADES 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,481 AS A NEW YORK CITY HOMICIDE PROSECUTOR, 24 00:01:22,483 --> 00:01:26,952 I SAW HOW MURDER AFFECTS LIVES FAR BEYOND THE CRIME SCENE. 25 00:01:26,954 --> 00:01:30,189 LET ME TAKE YOU INSIDE THE FIGHT FOR JUSTICE 26 00:01:30,191 --> 00:01:32,891 FOR VICTIMS AND THEIR LOVED ONES. 27 00:01:32,893 --> 00:01:35,527 THIS IS "TRUE CONVICTION." 28 00:01:37,131 --> 00:01:40,132 IN CENTRAL FLORIDA LIES SUMTER COUNTY -- 29 00:01:40,134 --> 00:01:43,986 A PEACEFUL ENCLAVE OF FARMS AND RANCHES. 30 00:01:43,988 --> 00:01:45,671 BUT IN MARCH 2000, 31 00:01:45,673 --> 00:01:49,174 THE GRUESOME DOUBLE MURDER OF MARGARITA RUIZ 32 00:01:49,176 --> 00:01:51,460 AND HER DAUGHTER, HOPE WELLS, 33 00:01:51,462 --> 00:01:54,530 SENT SHOCKWAVES THROUGH THIS QUIET COMMUNITY. 34 00:01:57,001 --> 00:01:59,001 I'VE COME HERE TO SEE HOW POLICE 35 00:01:59,003 --> 00:02:02,404 AND PROSECUTORS GOT JUSTICE FOR THE RUIZ FAMILY. 36 00:02:06,443 --> 00:02:09,511 PAM, DESCRIBE MARGARITA FOR ME. 37 00:02:09,513 --> 00:02:12,564 SHE WAS THE MOTHER TO ALL OF US. 38 00:02:12,566 --> 00:02:14,700 SHE WAS A GREAT WOMAN. 39 00:02:14,702 --> 00:02:16,969 SHE WAS A GREAT WIFE, 40 00:02:16,971 --> 00:02:18,403 GRANDMOTHER, 41 00:02:18,405 --> 00:02:19,905 SISTER, AUNT. 42 00:02:19,907 --> 00:02:22,508 SHE WAS THE BACKBONE OF OUR FAMILY. 43 00:02:22,510 --> 00:02:24,810 PAM RUIZ IS MARRIED TO REUBEN, 44 00:02:24,812 --> 00:02:27,379 ONE OF MARGARITA'S FIVE CHILDREN. 45 00:02:27,381 --> 00:02:29,882 WHY DO YOU SAY SHE WAS THE BACKBONE OF THE FAMILY? 46 00:02:29,884 --> 00:02:33,352 BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE HAD ALL OF OUR FAMILY GATHERINGS. 47 00:02:33,354 --> 00:02:35,254 WE DID OUR HOLIDAYS DOWN THERE. 48 00:02:35,256 --> 00:02:37,089 SHE GOT EVERYONE TOGETHER. 49 00:02:37,091 --> 00:02:38,757 SHE MADE THE BEST TAMALES. 50 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:39,691 THE BEST TAMALES? 51 00:02:39,693 --> 00:02:41,426 YES. 52 00:02:41,428 --> 00:02:44,062 SO SHE WAS REALLY ALMOST THE LIFEBLOOD OF THIS FAMILY. 53 00:02:44,064 --> 00:02:45,497 YES. AND EVERYTHING TOOK PLACE 54 00:02:45,499 --> 00:02:46,865 WITH THAT HOUSE AS THE CENTER. 55 00:02:46,867 --> 00:02:48,200 YES. MM-HMM. 56 00:02:48,202 --> 00:02:49,935 NOW, YOU HAD TWO CHILDREN AT THE TIME? 57 00:02:49,937 --> 00:02:51,203 MM-HMM. THEIR NAMES? 58 00:02:51,205 --> 00:02:52,504 PAIGE AND TREVOR. 59 00:02:52,506 --> 00:02:54,306 HOW MANY YEARS APART ARE PAIGE AND TREVOR? 60 00:02:54,308 --> 00:02:57,376 ALMOST EXACTLY TWO YEARS APART. 61 00:02:57,378 --> 00:02:59,144 HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED THESE OLD SITCOMS 62 00:02:59,146 --> 00:03:01,914 WHERE THE MOM, SHE WAS, LIKE, THE FOUNDATION? 63 00:03:01,916 --> 00:03:04,483 SURE. THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS. 64 00:03:04,485 --> 00:03:07,352 ROBERT WELLS BECAME PART OF THE RUIZ FAMILY 65 00:03:07,354 --> 00:03:10,556 WHEN HE MARRIED THEIR OLDEST DAUGHTER, ESPERANZA. 66 00:03:10,558 --> 00:03:13,492 ALSO KNOWN BY HER LOVED ONES AS HOPE. 67 00:03:13,494 --> 00:03:15,360 WHEN DID YOU AND HOPE MEET? 68 00:03:15,362 --> 00:03:19,064 WE MET IN 1980. 69 00:03:19,066 --> 00:03:21,934 AND I WAS WORKING ON A RANCH AT THE TIME, 70 00:03:21,936 --> 00:03:23,669 AND THEY CAME OUT TO WORK WITH US. 71 00:03:23,671 --> 00:03:25,804 AND WHAT HAPPENED FROM THERE? 72 00:03:25,806 --> 00:03:28,307 IT JUST -- POOF. 73 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:29,741 YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OLD CLICHé, 74 00:03:29,743 --> 00:03:31,710 BUT IT JUST KIND OF KNOCKED YOU ON THE SHOULDER 75 00:03:31,712 --> 00:03:34,112 AND SAID, "HEY" -- THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS. 76 00:03:35,983 --> 00:03:37,216 AND THE TWO OF YOU MARRIED? 77 00:03:37,218 --> 00:03:39,585 YES. YEAH, WE MARRIED IN '82. 78 00:03:42,089 --> 00:03:43,655 IN 1999, 79 00:03:43,657 --> 00:03:46,858 WHEN MARGARITA'S HUSBAND, BENNY, DIED OF BONE CANCER, 80 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:49,895 HOPE AND ROBERT MOVED IN TO HELP SUPPORT HER. 81 00:03:49,897 --> 00:03:51,630 WHILE ROBERT WORKED IN TOWN, 82 00:03:51,632 --> 00:03:55,534 HOPE AND HER MOM STAYED HOME WITH PAM'S TWO YOUNG CHILDREN, 83 00:03:55,536 --> 00:03:59,004 3-YEAR-OLD PAIGE AND TREVOR, WHO WAS ONE. 84 00:03:59,006 --> 00:04:01,139 THEY WOULD PLAY DRESS-UP ONE DAY. 85 00:04:01,141 --> 00:04:03,008 THEY WOULD COOK ONE DAY. 86 00:04:03,010 --> 00:04:04,176 THEY EVEN GARDENED ONE DAY. 87 00:04:04,178 --> 00:04:05,978 EVERY DAY WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 88 00:04:05,980 --> 00:04:08,063 WHERE DID YOUR CHILDREN, TREVOR AND PAIGE, 89 00:04:08,065 --> 00:04:10,816 FIT INTO THE AGE SPECTRUM OF MARGARITA'S GRANDCHILDREN? 90 00:04:10,818 --> 00:04:13,318 THEY WERE THE YOUNGEST. 91 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,455 LIFE WAS SWEET FOR THE 72-YEAR-OLD MATRIARCH 92 00:04:16,457 --> 00:04:18,924 AND HER 41-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. 93 00:04:18,926 --> 00:04:21,593 BUT ON MARCH 15, 2000, 94 00:04:21,595 --> 00:04:25,931 THEIR PEACEFUL LIFE CAME TO AN UNTHINKABLE END. 95 00:04:25,933 --> 00:04:28,667 SUMTER COUNTY PROSECUTOR PETE MAGRINO 96 00:04:28,669 --> 00:04:32,137 REMEMBERS THE DETAILS OF THE HORRIFIC ATTACK VIVIDLY. 97 00:04:32,139 --> 00:04:38,043 THE MURDERER APPROACHES THE BACK SIDE OF THE HOME 98 00:04:38,045 --> 00:04:41,613 AND FIRES A ROUND THAT GOES THROUGH THE SCREEN DOOR. 99 00:04:43,784 --> 00:04:45,917 STRIKES MARGARITA. 100 00:04:45,919 --> 00:04:50,656 MARGARITA IS RUNNING FROM THE KITCHEN TO THE LIVING ROOM, 101 00:04:50,658 --> 00:04:56,228 WHERE SHE IS SHOT AGAIN, AND FALLS DOWN IN THE BEDROOM. 102 00:04:56,230 --> 00:05:00,966 ESPERANZA WELLS WAS UP IN THE SAME BEDROOM. 103 00:05:00,968 --> 00:05:06,038 SHE IS STRUCK WITH PROJECTILES FIRED FROM THE GUN. 104 00:05:07,408 --> 00:05:13,412 AND THEN THE MURDERER PROCEEDS TO STAB MARGARITA RUIZ 105 00:05:13,414 --> 00:05:15,647 IN THE NECK AREA, 106 00:05:15,649 --> 00:05:21,086 AND THEN DOES THE SAME TO ESPERANZA. 107 00:05:21,088 --> 00:05:25,657 AND HE LEAVES. 108 00:05:25,659 --> 00:05:27,192 I KNOW, AS A PROSECUTOR, 109 00:05:27,194 --> 00:05:29,561 I HAVE HEARD SO MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS, 110 00:05:29,563 --> 00:05:30,962 FAMILY MEMBERS GO THROUGH 111 00:05:30,964 --> 00:05:32,698 SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF EMOTIONS AT DIFFERENT TIMES. 112 00:05:32,700 --> 00:05:34,099 YES. 113 00:05:34,101 --> 00:05:35,634 IF YOU COULD JUST TALK ME THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT. 114 00:05:35,636 --> 00:05:37,035 JUST DESCRIBE THAT 115 00:05:37,037 --> 00:05:40,806 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND. 116 00:05:40,808 --> 00:05:44,776 YEAH. I FELT SO SAD. 117 00:05:44,778 --> 00:05:48,013 THERE WAS A LOT OF CRYING. 118 00:05:49,583 --> 00:05:51,633 ROBERT WELLS WILL NEVER FORGET 119 00:05:51,635 --> 00:05:54,386 HOW HE LEARNED OF HIS WIFE'S MURDER. 120 00:05:54,388 --> 00:05:56,054 I JUMPED OUT THE VEHICLE, 121 00:05:56,056 --> 00:05:59,624 AND I LOOKED OVER AT REUBEN. 122 00:05:59,626 --> 00:06:05,530 AND, UH, HE WAS STANDING THERE WITH THE TWO KIDS. 123 00:06:05,532 --> 00:06:07,866 AND HE LOOKED AT ME, HE SAID... 124 00:06:13,907 --> 00:06:16,942 AND I KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG. 125 00:06:16,944 --> 00:06:21,046 SO I STARTED RUNNING UP TO THE HOUSE, 126 00:06:21,048 --> 00:06:24,449 BUT THE POLICEMAN WOULDN'T LET ME GO IN THE HOUSE. 127 00:06:27,354 --> 00:06:30,589 WAS IT THE POLICE THAT TOLD YOU WHAT HAPPENED? 128 00:06:30,591 --> 00:06:31,723 YEAH, THEY SAID THAT -- 129 00:06:31,725 --> 00:06:32,824 THEY DIDN'T SAY HOW, 130 00:06:32,826 --> 00:06:34,826 BUT THEY SAID THEY WERE GONE. 131 00:06:40,167 --> 00:06:41,967 I'M GOING TO THE RUIZ HOUSE 132 00:06:41,969 --> 00:06:44,403 TO SEE THE SCENE OF THE CRIME MYSELF. 133 00:06:44,405 --> 00:06:46,705 FOR PROSECUTORS, A FIRST-HAND LOOK 134 00:06:46,707 --> 00:06:49,174 PROVIDES INSIGHT NO POLICE REPORT CAN. 135 00:06:49,176 --> 00:06:52,177 SUMTER COUNTY CHIEF DEPUTY GARY BRANNEN 136 00:06:52,179 --> 00:06:55,480 WAS THE YOUNG DETECTIVE WHO RESPONDED THAT DAY. 137 00:06:55,482 --> 00:06:58,083 SO THIS IS THE SAME ROUTE THAT YOU TOOK TO THE HOUSE BACK THEN? 138 00:06:58,085 --> 00:06:59,684 YES. 139 00:06:59,686 --> 00:07:00,786 IN A PLACE LIKE THIS, 140 00:07:00,788 --> 00:07:02,754 GETTING A CALL LIKE THAT WAS NOT COMMONPLACE. 141 00:07:02,756 --> 00:07:07,058 NO. TO HAVE A DOUBLE MURDER WAS EXTREMELY RARE. 142 00:07:07,060 --> 00:07:10,295 AND IT WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY RARE TO HAVE ANY MURDER AT ALL. 143 00:07:37,958 --> 00:07:40,826 AS DETECTIVE BRANNEN EXAMINED THE CRIME SCENE, 144 00:07:40,828 --> 00:07:43,495 DEPUTIES VIDEOTAPED EVERY SQUARE INCH. 145 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:51,403 WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE 17 YEARS AGO, 146 00:07:51,405 --> 00:07:53,638 THERE WAS A SCREEN DOOR THAT'S NOT HERE NOW. 147 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,675 AND I COULD SEE TWO BULLET HOLES IN THE DOOR. 148 00:07:59,012 --> 00:08:01,213 AS A HOMICIDE DETECTIVE, WHAT DID THAT SAY TO YOU? 149 00:08:01,215 --> 00:08:03,048 IT SAID EVERYTHING STARTED OUT HERE. 150 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:05,650 THERE WAS A SHELL CASING ON THE PORCH, 151 00:08:05,652 --> 00:08:09,020 SO IT TOLD ME HE SHOT FROM OUT HERE IN TO MRS. RUIZ. 152 00:08:09,022 --> 00:08:10,755 AND THERE WASN'T ANY NEGOTIATING. 153 00:08:10,757 --> 00:08:11,890 THERE WASN'T ANY TALKING. 154 00:08:11,892 --> 00:08:13,425 HE CAME HERE TO KILL. 155 00:08:23,103 --> 00:08:24,836 YOU SEE THE BULLET HOLE? 156 00:08:24,838 --> 00:08:26,238 SO IT WENT RIGHT THROUGH THEIR REFRIGERATOR? 157 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,406 RIGHT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE REFRIGERATOR. 158 00:08:32,913 --> 00:08:37,582 AND THIS IS THE BEDROOM WHERE THE BODIES WERE FOUND. 159 00:08:37,584 --> 00:08:42,254 MRS. RUIZ WAS OVER HERE BETWEEN THE WINDOW AND THE BED. 160 00:08:42,256 --> 00:08:46,358 SHE HAD BEEN STABBED THREE TIMES IN THE NECK. 161 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,994 WE LATER LEARNED THAT SHE HAD TWO GUNSHOT WOUNDS. 162 00:08:50,964 --> 00:08:53,732 HOPE WAS LAYING HERE. 163 00:08:53,734 --> 00:08:57,836 SHE HAD AN OBVIOUS GUNSHOT WOUND TO THE CHIN AREA, 164 00:08:57,838 --> 00:09:00,805 AND THEN SHE HAD BEEN STABBED IN THE NECK STEVEN TIMES. 165 00:09:04,611 --> 00:09:06,344 WHAT ELSE DID YOU LOOK FOR? 166 00:09:06,346 --> 00:09:08,446 WELL, JUST LOOKING AT THE BODIES, 167 00:09:08,448 --> 00:09:09,548 THEY WERE CLOTHED, 168 00:09:09,550 --> 00:09:12,284 SO THERE WAS NO SIGN OF ANY SEXUAL ASSAULT. 169 00:09:12,286 --> 00:09:14,419 IT IS DEFINITELY OVERKILL. 170 00:09:14,421 --> 00:09:16,254 THEY WERE STABBED AFTER THEY WERE DEAD. 171 00:09:16,256 --> 00:09:18,590 IT WAS UNNECESSARY. 172 00:09:18,592 --> 00:09:20,926 SO THE ELECTRONICS ARE STILL HERE. 173 00:09:20,928 --> 00:09:22,260 THERE'S CASH IN THE BEDROOM. 174 00:09:22,262 --> 00:09:24,829 NO ROBBERY. NO SEXUAL ASSAULT. 175 00:09:24,831 --> 00:09:28,199 THIS MOTHER -- GRANDMOTHER, AND HER DAUGHTER. 176 00:09:28,201 --> 00:09:29,301 WHY? 177 00:09:29,303 --> 00:09:31,269 WELL, THAT WAS THE BIG QUESTION. 178 00:09:31,271 --> 00:09:33,405 ONCE YOU KNOW THE MOTIVE OF A MURDER, 179 00:09:33,407 --> 00:09:35,941 IT REALLY USUALLY LEADS YOU TO THE SUSPECT. 180 00:09:38,078 --> 00:09:40,111 DETECTIVE BRANNEN AND HIS TEAM 181 00:09:40,113 --> 00:09:42,147 SENT THE SHELL CASINGS AND BLOOD SAMPLES 182 00:09:42,149 --> 00:09:44,583 FOR FORENSIC ANALYSIS, 183 00:09:44,585 --> 00:09:48,053 THEN BEGAN TO INTERVIEW THE RUIZ FAMILY. 184 00:09:48,055 --> 00:09:50,572 CERTAINLY, THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE 185 00:09:50,574 --> 00:09:53,959 THAT THIS WAS A DOMESTIC-RELATED RAGE. 186 00:09:53,961 --> 00:09:56,695 BUT THERE WERE LIVING WITNESSES. 187 00:09:56,697 --> 00:09:58,163 AS IT TURNED OUT, 188 00:09:58,165 --> 00:10:01,333 DETECTIVES DID, INDEED, HAVE WITNESSES. 189 00:10:01,335 --> 00:10:04,069 PAM'S TWO SMALL CHILDREN WERE IN THE HOUSE 190 00:10:04,071 --> 00:10:05,837 DURING THE MASSACRE 191 00:10:05,839 --> 00:10:09,874 AND MIRACULOUSLY SURVIVED UNHARMED. 192 00:10:09,876 --> 00:10:12,877 SINCE BABY TREVOR WAS BARELY TALKING, 193 00:10:12,879 --> 00:10:15,847 JUSTICE FOR THE DEVASTATED RUIZ FAMILY 194 00:10:15,849 --> 00:10:19,217 NOW CALLED ON THE MEMORY OF YOUNG PAIGE. 195 00:10:24,992 --> 00:10:25,056 NOW CALLED ON THE MEMORY OF YOUNG PAIGE. 196 00:10:28,528 --> 00:10:30,595 MARCH 15, 2000. 197 00:10:30,597 --> 00:10:32,497 IN SUMTER COUNTY, FLORIDA, 198 00:10:32,499 --> 00:10:36,167 MARGARITA RUIZ AND HER DAUGHTER, HOPE WELLS, 199 00:10:36,169 --> 00:10:37,702 WERE VICIOUSLY MURDERED... 200 00:10:39,439 --> 00:10:40,705 ...IN THEIR OWN HOME. 201 00:10:44,344 --> 00:10:47,245 DESPERATE TO GET ANSWERS FOR THE GRIEVING FAMILY, 202 00:10:47,247 --> 00:10:50,782 POLICE TURNED TO THEIR ONLY REAL WITNESS -- 203 00:10:50,784 --> 00:10:54,753 MARGARITA'S 3-YEAR-OLD GRANDDAUGHTER, PAIGE, 204 00:10:54,755 --> 00:10:58,289 WHO WAS PLAYING IN THE HOUSE WHEN THE STRANGER PULLED UP. 205 00:11:01,895 --> 00:11:02,927 YOU WERE 3 YEARS OLD. 206 00:11:02,929 --> 00:11:04,362 YES. 207 00:11:04,364 --> 00:11:07,098 WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME AS FAR AS WHAT YOU REMEMBER THAT DAY? 208 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:10,268 I REMEMBER THAT I RAN BEHIND A CURTAIN IN THE KITCHEN 209 00:11:10,270 --> 00:11:11,903 'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMEBODY I KNEW. 210 00:11:11,905 --> 00:11:14,873 LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WAS GONNA JUMP OUT AND SCARE 'EM. 211 00:11:14,875 --> 00:11:19,210 BUT THAT'S WHEN THE GUNSHOTS WERE FIRED. 212 00:11:25,252 --> 00:11:27,852 SO I REMEMBER RUNNING UNDERNEATH THE TABLE, 213 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:31,256 AND JUST THE COMMOTION THAT WENT ON AFTER THAT. 214 00:11:31,258 --> 00:11:36,094 LIKE, THE RUNNING AND THE YELLING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 215 00:11:42,469 --> 00:11:45,236 DID YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW SERIOUS 216 00:11:45,238 --> 00:11:49,040 OR WHAT AT ALL WAS HAPPENING? 217 00:11:49,042 --> 00:11:50,842 I KNEW SOMETHING WASN'T RIGHT. 218 00:11:50,844 --> 00:11:54,746 I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THE SEVERITY OF IT AT THAT TIME. 219 00:11:54,748 --> 00:11:56,781 WHERE WAS YOUR LITTLE BROTHER? 220 00:11:56,783 --> 00:12:00,318 HE WAS ACTUALLY IN THE LIVING ROOM. 221 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,088 AS DETECTIVES CONTINUED TO QUESTION PAIGE, 222 00:12:03,090 --> 00:12:05,290 ALL SHE COULD REMEMBER SEEING OF THE ATTACK 223 00:12:05,292 --> 00:12:09,194 WAS A DARK MALE FIGURE DARTING PAST THE TABLE. 224 00:12:09,196 --> 00:12:11,763 DID YOU STAY UNDER THE TABLE THE WHOLE TIME? 225 00:12:11,765 --> 00:12:14,566 I REMEMBER SOMEBODY LEAVING THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR. 226 00:12:14,568 --> 00:12:16,267 AND WHEN THEY LEFT, I JUST REMEMBER GETTING OUT 227 00:12:16,269 --> 00:12:20,205 FROM UNDERNEATH THE TABLE AND GOING TO THE WINDOW. 228 00:12:20,207 --> 00:12:22,273 AND THAT'S WHEN I SEEN THE GREEN CAR 229 00:12:22,275 --> 00:12:23,875 BACK OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY. 230 00:12:26,179 --> 00:12:29,347 WE BASICALLY GOT OUT OF HER THAT IT WAS A BLACK MALE 231 00:12:29,349 --> 00:12:32,350 IN A GREEN CAR THAT HAD COME TO THE HOUSE. 232 00:12:32,352 --> 00:12:33,885 POLICE HAD A PROFILE, 233 00:12:33,887 --> 00:12:37,388 AND BULLETINS WERE SENT OUT NATIONWIDE. 234 00:12:37,390 --> 00:12:41,826 THERE WERE FLYERS, BILLBOARDS, CRIME STOPPERS, 235 00:12:41,828 --> 00:12:44,929 AND PEOPLE WERE CALLING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 236 00:12:44,931 --> 00:12:47,832 PEOPLE WERE CALLING THE TIP LINES. 237 00:12:47,834 --> 00:12:50,702 EARLY ON, THERE WAS ONE TIP THAT LOOKED LIKE 238 00:12:50,704 --> 00:12:52,604 THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING TO IT. 239 00:12:52,606 --> 00:12:54,205 JAMES HARRINGTON 240 00:12:54,207 --> 00:12:57,909 AND PERNELL WILLIAMS, WHO WAS JAMAICAN. 241 00:12:57,911 --> 00:12:59,744 INFORMATION CAME IN 242 00:12:59,746 --> 00:13:02,647 THAT THEY WENT TO GO DO A DRUG RIPOFF AT A HOUSE, 243 00:13:02,649 --> 00:13:05,784 AND THEY WENT TO THE WRONG HOUSE. 244 00:13:05,786 --> 00:13:08,286 SINCE JAMES HARRINGTON HAD A TIGHT ALIBI, 245 00:13:08,288 --> 00:13:11,356 POLICE WERE EAGER TO TRACK DOWN PERNELL WILLIAMS. 246 00:13:11,358 --> 00:13:14,626 PERNELL WILLIAMS WAS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN MALE 247 00:13:14,628 --> 00:13:16,728 THAT HAD A GREEN CAR, 248 00:13:16,730 --> 00:13:18,496 WHICH IS, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, 249 00:13:18,498 --> 00:13:19,697 AS BEST THAT WE KNEW, 250 00:13:19,699 --> 00:13:22,000 THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. 251 00:13:22,002 --> 00:13:24,102 SO WE'RE RETRACING THE ROUTE 252 00:13:24,104 --> 00:13:25,670 ON THE WAY TO PERNELL WILLIAMS' HOME 253 00:13:25,672 --> 00:13:28,139 THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TAKEN. YES. 254 00:13:28,141 --> 00:13:30,642 SO, WHAT WAS YOUR PLAN ONCE YOU GOT THERE? 255 00:13:30,644 --> 00:13:34,112 WELL, WE WERE HOPING THAT WE HAD THE RIGHT GUY, 256 00:13:34,114 --> 00:13:36,948 AND THAT, ULTIMATELY, HE WOULD CONFESS. 257 00:13:36,950 --> 00:13:40,118 OR THAT WE WOULD CATCH HIM WITH THE PISTOL THAT WAS USED, 258 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,620 OR WE COULD CONNECT HIM IN SOME OTHER FASHION. 259 00:13:44,424 --> 00:13:47,659 WHEN DETECTIVE BRANNEN PULLED UP TO PERNELL'S HOME, 260 00:13:47,661 --> 00:13:50,929 A GREEN CAR WAS PARKED OUT FRONT. 261 00:13:50,931 --> 00:13:52,163 THIS IS PERNELL WILLIAMS' HOME? 262 00:13:52,165 --> 00:13:56,034 YEAH, THIS IS RIGHT HERE WHERE HE LIVED AT THE TIME. 263 00:13:56,036 --> 00:13:58,803 AS BRANNEN APPROACHED THE FRONT DOOR, 264 00:13:58,805 --> 00:14:03,441 HIS PRIME SUSPECT SUDDENLY FLED OUT THE BACK. 265 00:14:03,443 --> 00:14:05,310 SO, WHAT DID THAT DO TO YOUR THINKING? 266 00:14:05,312 --> 00:14:07,946 HE WAS POSSIBLY INVOLVED IN THE HOMICIDE. 267 00:14:07,948 --> 00:14:12,483 FLIGHT, TO ANY POLICEMAN, EQUALS GUILT. 268 00:14:12,485 --> 00:14:17,488 DEPUTIES CHASED PERNELL ON FOOT AND EVENTUALLY APPREHENDED HIM. 269 00:14:17,490 --> 00:14:19,807 BUT AFTER AN EXTENSIVE INTERROGATION, 270 00:14:19,809 --> 00:14:21,392 HE WAS RELEASED. 271 00:14:21,394 --> 00:14:23,494 HE GAVE AN ALIBI THAT WAS EASILY CONFIRMED. 272 00:14:23,496 --> 00:14:25,330 HIS GIRLFRIEND PROVIDED US WITH AN ALIBI, 273 00:14:25,332 --> 00:14:26,598 SAID THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE. 274 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,533 HE GAVE THE SAME STATEMENT, 275 00:14:28,535 --> 00:14:31,069 AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO CONFIRM IT. 276 00:14:31,071 --> 00:14:32,670 IT WAS A DISAPPOINTMENT 277 00:14:32,672 --> 00:14:35,206 BECAUSE HE WAS BASICALLY THE ONLY THING WE HAD. 278 00:14:36,743 --> 00:14:38,476 FOUR YEARS PASSED, 279 00:14:38,478 --> 00:14:41,412 AND ALTHOUGH THE POLICE CONTINUE TO RUN DOWN TIPS, 280 00:14:41,414 --> 00:14:43,948 THE KILLER REMAINED AT LARGE. 281 00:14:43,950 --> 00:14:47,118 THE ONLY REAL WITNESS DETECTIVE BRANNEN HAD 282 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,953 WAS LITTLE PAIGE RUIZ. 283 00:14:48,955 --> 00:14:52,023 PROSECUTORS CONSIDER THE WELL-BEING OF ANY WITNESS, 284 00:14:52,025 --> 00:14:54,108 BUT ESPECIALLY A CHILD. 285 00:14:54,110 --> 00:14:56,144 THE GOAL IS TO LEARN WHAT THEY KNOW 286 00:14:56,146 --> 00:14:58,112 WITHOUT CAUSING THEM MORE HARM. 287 00:14:58,114 --> 00:14:59,464 AND IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, 288 00:14:59,466 --> 00:15:02,033 NEVER HAVING TO PUT THEM ON THAT WITNESS STAND. 289 00:15:02,035 --> 00:15:05,370 THAT SOMETIMES MEANS USING A DIFFERENT BOX OF TOOLS. 290 00:15:07,173 --> 00:15:11,442 IN 2004, DETECTIVE BRANNEN READ ABOUT FORENSIC HYPNOSIS 291 00:15:11,444 --> 00:15:13,745 BEING USED TO GLEAN REPRESSED MEMORIES 292 00:15:13,747 --> 00:15:16,447 FROM TRAUMATIZED WITNESSES. 293 00:15:16,449 --> 00:15:18,983 I HOPED THAT WE COULD HYPNOTIZE PAIGE, 294 00:15:18,985 --> 00:15:21,586 SO I WENT TO THE INTERNET AND SEARCHED 295 00:15:21,588 --> 00:15:23,021 AND FOUND MARK HOWE, 296 00:15:23,023 --> 00:15:25,290 A CERTIFIED HYPNOTIST IN TEXAS. 297 00:15:25,292 --> 00:15:29,093 AND HE SAID HE BELIEVED HE COULD HYPNOTIZE AN 8-YEAR-OLD. 298 00:15:29,095 --> 00:15:32,630 THE DETECTIVE APPROACHED PAM RUIZ WITH THE IDEA, 299 00:15:32,632 --> 00:15:34,499 AND SHE RELUCTANTLY AGREED. 300 00:15:34,501 --> 00:15:38,603 SO, YOU'RE DOING YOUR BEST TO HELP THE POLICE INVESTIGATION, 301 00:15:38,605 --> 00:15:42,874 BUT YOU'RE ALLOWING AN HYPNOTIST TO SPEAK TO YOUR 8-YEAR-OLD. 302 00:15:42,876 --> 00:15:43,975 DID IT MAKE YOU NERVOUS? 303 00:15:43,977 --> 00:15:46,244 YES, IT MADE ME NERVOUS. 304 00:15:46,246 --> 00:15:48,680 WHAT WERE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS SWIRLING 305 00:15:48,682 --> 00:15:50,448 AS YOU WERE DOING YOUR BEST TO HELP, 306 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:52,750 BUT ALSO PROTECTING YOUR CHILD? 307 00:15:52,752 --> 00:15:54,385 HOW SHE WOULD FEEL? 308 00:15:54,387 --> 00:15:58,656 WOULD SHE BE COMFORTABLE, OR WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? 309 00:15:58,658 --> 00:16:00,925 I JUST -- I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. 310 00:16:00,927 --> 00:16:02,093 I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND 311 00:16:02,095 --> 00:16:05,396 WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO GET FROM THAT. 312 00:16:12,372 --> 00:16:15,640 DO YOU REMEMBER ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THAT WAS LIKE 313 00:16:15,642 --> 00:16:16,958 WHEN YOU WERE WITH THE HYPNOTIST? 314 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,694 I REMEMBER BEING TOLD THAT THEY WERE GONNA TRY 315 00:16:19,696 --> 00:16:20,845 TO HYPNOTIZE ME, 316 00:16:20,847 --> 00:16:23,781 AND SOME GUY WAS GOING TO FLY IN FROM TEXAS 317 00:16:23,783 --> 00:16:25,950 TO DO IT. 318 00:16:25,952 --> 00:16:28,486 THE EFFORT PAID OFF. 319 00:16:28,488 --> 00:16:29,854 UNDER HYPNOSIS, 320 00:16:29,856 --> 00:16:33,958 POLICE LEARNED THAT PAIGE HADN'T ACTUALLY SEEN A BLACK MAN. 321 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,561 SHE HAD SEEN A MAN DRESSED IN BLACK. 322 00:16:37,564 --> 00:16:40,398 THE HYPNOSIS REVEALED THAT SHE WAS GOING 323 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,768 BY THE COLOR OF THE PANTS LEGS THAT THE SUSPECT WORE. 324 00:16:43,770 --> 00:16:49,140 'CAUSE SHE'S UNDER THE TABLE WITH THE TABLECLOTH DRAPED OVER. 325 00:16:49,142 --> 00:16:51,376 WHAT WENT THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN YOU HEARD THAT RESULT? 326 00:16:51,378 --> 00:16:53,444 WE MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY. 327 00:16:53,446 --> 00:16:56,881 IF THERE HAD BEEN A GUY WASHING BLOOD OFF OF KNIVES 328 00:16:56,883 --> 00:16:58,516 AT A GAS STATION 30 MILES AWAY 329 00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:00,518 THAT WAS A WHITE MALE IN A GREEN CAR, 330 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,487 PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE DISCOUNTED THAT 331 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:04,689 AND NOT CALLED IT IN. 332 00:17:04,691 --> 00:17:06,557 NOT THROUGH ANYBODY'S FAULT. 333 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:09,460 PAIGE DID THE BEST SHE COULD THAT DAY. 334 00:17:10,897 --> 00:17:12,997 THE CASE GROUND TO A HALT, 335 00:17:12,999 --> 00:17:16,601 AND INVESTIGATORS FEARED IT MIGHT NEVER BE SOLVED. 336 00:17:16,603 --> 00:17:18,569 IT WAS COLD FOR A LOT OF YEARS. 337 00:17:18,571 --> 00:17:20,872 I MEAN, IT WAS AS COLD AS COLD COULD GET. 338 00:17:20,874 --> 00:17:23,441 THEN THERE COMES A DAY IN 2006. 339 00:17:23,443 --> 00:17:26,878 I'LL REMEMBER THAT DAY FOREVER. 340 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,813 MY SECRETARY, SHE SAID THERE'S A GUY ON THE PHONE 341 00:17:28,815 --> 00:17:30,782 FROM WISCONSIN THAT WANTS TO TALK TO YOU. 342 00:17:30,784 --> 00:17:32,683 SO I SAID OKAY. 343 00:17:32,685 --> 00:17:33,751 SO I GOT ON THE PHONE WITH HIM. 344 00:17:33,753 --> 00:17:35,686 HE SAID, "I'VE LOOKED AT THIS COLD CASE 345 00:17:35,688 --> 00:17:37,488 ON YOUR WEBSITE." 346 00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:40,224 AND HE KEPT GIVING ME DETAILS. 347 00:17:40,226 --> 00:17:43,461 STUFF THAT THEY SHOULDN'T KNOW. 348 00:17:43,463 --> 00:17:46,330 TELL ME WHAT YOU FELT DURING THIS PHONE CALL. 349 00:17:46,332 --> 00:17:50,435 IF THIS ISN'T IT, IT'S NEVER GONNA BE IT. 350 00:17:55,275 --> 00:17:55,339 IF THIS ISN'T IT, IT'S NEVER GONNA BE IT. 351 00:17:59,946 --> 00:18:02,880 TWO DAYS BEFORE THE BRUTAL MURDERS 352 00:18:02,882 --> 00:18:06,267 OF MARGARITA RUIZ AND HER DAUGHTER, HOPE WELLS, 353 00:18:06,269 --> 00:18:08,836 NEARLY 1,500 MILES AWAY, 354 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:11,422 ANOTHER SENSELESS HOMICIDE TOOK PLACE 355 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,991 HERE IN CHIPPEWA FALLS, WISCONSIN, 356 00:18:13,993 --> 00:18:15,793 THAT WOULD HAVE A PROFOUND IMPACT 357 00:18:15,795 --> 00:18:18,029 ON THE RUIZ INVESTIGATION. 358 00:18:18,031 --> 00:18:20,565 I'VE COME HERE TO MEET JUDGE JON THEISEN, 359 00:18:20,567 --> 00:18:23,234 WHO, A DECADE AGO, WAS THE D.A. RESPONSIBLE 360 00:18:23,236 --> 00:18:25,520 FOR PROSECUTING THAT CASE. 361 00:18:25,522 --> 00:18:30,208 THE MURDER OF 54-YEAR-OLD MARY JANE MARQUARDT. 362 00:18:30,210 --> 00:18:35,530 MARY JANE MARQUARDT WAS VERY MUCH A MOTHER. 363 00:18:35,532 --> 00:18:40,518 HER FAMILY WAS OF THE FOREMOST IMPORTANCE TO HER. 364 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,820 HER HOBBIES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, 365 00:18:42,822 --> 00:18:45,656 WERE MOTORCYCLING AND THRIFT SALES. 366 00:18:45,658 --> 00:18:47,325 TELL ME ABOUT ALFRED, HER HUSBAND. 367 00:18:47,327 --> 00:18:49,060 IT WAS A QUIET RELATIONSHIP. 368 00:18:49,062 --> 00:18:50,928 THEIR KIDS WERE OUT OF THE HOUSE. 369 00:18:50,930 --> 00:18:53,131 THEY WERE FINISHING UP THEIR CAREERS, 370 00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:54,999 LOOKING FORWARD TO RETIREMENT. 371 00:18:55,001 --> 00:18:57,201 AND THEN THERE'S THAT DAY. 372 00:18:57,203 --> 00:19:00,505 MARCH 13, 2000. 373 00:19:00,507 --> 00:19:04,008 TELL ME ABOUT THAT DAY FOR MARY JANE. 374 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:05,877 SHE'S HOME ALONE. 375 00:19:05,879 --> 00:19:11,549 SOMEBODY COMES IN THE BACK DOOR OF THE GARAGE. 376 00:19:11,551 --> 00:19:15,520 IT APPEARS THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF CONFRONTATION 377 00:19:15,522 --> 00:19:21,125 BETWEEN THE PERSON WHO CAME INTO THE HOUSE AND MARY JANE. 378 00:19:21,127 --> 00:19:23,394 SO, SHE'S ATTACKED IN HER GARAGE? 379 00:19:23,396 --> 00:19:24,729 SHE'S SHOT. 380 00:19:26,132 --> 00:19:28,666 AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT KILLS HER. 381 00:19:30,570 --> 00:19:33,704 SHE'S ALSO STABBED, 382 00:19:33,706 --> 00:19:35,873 WHICH MAYBE DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. 383 00:19:37,911 --> 00:19:39,010 LATER THAT EVENING, 384 00:19:39,012 --> 00:19:41,412 MARY JANE'S HUSBAND, ALFRED, CAME HOME 385 00:19:41,414 --> 00:19:44,115 AND MADE THE CHILLING DISCOVERY. 386 00:20:05,371 --> 00:20:10,208 DEPUTY SHERIFF KEN OEMIG, THE FIRST OFFICER ON THE SCENE, 387 00:20:10,210 --> 00:20:13,411 REVISITS THE MARQUARDT RESIDENCE. 388 00:20:13,413 --> 00:20:15,379 SO, HOW DOES THE GARAGE LOOK NOW 389 00:20:15,381 --> 00:20:18,049 COMPARED TO WHEN YOU ENTERED IT THAT AFTERNOON? 390 00:20:18,051 --> 00:20:22,520 THERE WAS A BLACK LINCOLN PARKED HERE IN THE STALL. 391 00:20:22,522 --> 00:20:24,555 AS WE GOT IN THE GARAGE, 392 00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:26,857 WE NOTICED MRS. MARQUARDT LAYING HERE 393 00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:29,710 WITH HER HEAD TOWARD THE SERVICE DOOR. 394 00:20:29,712 --> 00:20:35,266 AND THERE WAS A POOL OF BLOOD UNDERNEATH OF HER HEAD. 395 00:20:35,268 --> 00:20:37,335 DID YOU TAKE NOTE OF ANYTHING? 396 00:20:37,337 --> 00:20:39,470 WE FOUND A SHELL CASING 397 00:20:39,472 --> 00:20:41,472 THAT WAS UNDERNEATH THE REAR OF THE CAR 398 00:20:41,474 --> 00:20:44,809 THAT WAS PARKED HERE. 399 00:20:44,811 --> 00:20:48,913 BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING CURIOUS ABOUT THIS MURDER. 400 00:20:48,915 --> 00:20:53,084 THE VICTIM HAD BEEN COVERED WITH HER OWN BEDSPREAD. 401 00:20:53,086 --> 00:20:57,221 TO RETRIEVE THE MAROON COMFORTER, 402 00:20:57,223 --> 00:21:01,726 THE PERPETRATOR WOULD HAVE HAD TO ENTER THE HOUSE, 403 00:21:01,728 --> 00:21:03,427 GO UP A FLIGHT OF STAIRS... 404 00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:08,699 ...GO ACROSS THE KITCHEN, 405 00:21:08,701 --> 00:21:11,168 GO DOWN A HALLWAY 406 00:21:11,170 --> 00:21:16,240 WHERE THE PERPETRATOR COULD ENTER THE MASTER BEDROOM, 407 00:21:16,242 --> 00:21:19,176 TAKE THE COMFORTER BACK DOWN THE HALL, 408 00:21:19,178 --> 00:21:21,045 BACK THROUGH THE KITCHEN, BACK DOWN THE STAIRS, 409 00:21:21,047 --> 00:21:22,413 OUT INTO THE GARAGE, 410 00:21:22,415 --> 00:21:23,914 AND PUT IT OVER MARY JANE. 411 00:21:26,419 --> 00:21:27,652 SO, AS PROSECUTORS, 412 00:21:27,654 --> 00:21:30,254 WE'RE ALWAYS PUTTING THE PIECES BACK TOGETHER 413 00:21:30,256 --> 00:21:31,989 FOR OURSELVES BASED ON WHAT YOU LEARN 414 00:21:31,991 --> 00:21:33,124 IN THE INVESTIGATION. 415 00:21:33,126 --> 00:21:35,026 WHAT DID THAT BLANKET, 416 00:21:35,028 --> 00:21:38,896 THAT COMFORTER FROM HER BEDROOM COVERING HER BODY, SAY TO YOU? 417 00:21:38,898 --> 00:21:44,235 NOT ONLY DID THE PERPETRATOR KNOW WHERE HER COMFORTER WAS, 418 00:21:44,237 --> 00:21:48,072 BUT IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL ACT TO PROVIDE COMFORT TO HER, 419 00:21:48,074 --> 00:21:49,440 WHICH PUTS A CONNECTION 420 00:21:49,442 --> 00:21:54,045 BETWEEN THE PERPETRATOR AND THE VICTIM. 421 00:21:54,047 --> 00:21:56,063 ALTHOUGH MARY JANE'S HUSBAND SAID 422 00:21:56,065 --> 00:21:58,649 HE DIDN'T PLACE THE BLANKET ON HIS WIFE 423 00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:00,818 AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HER MURDER, 424 00:22:00,820 --> 00:22:03,287 HE BECAME A PERSON OF INTEREST. 425 00:22:03,289 --> 00:22:04,789 ALFRED WAS A SUSPECT. 426 00:22:04,791 --> 00:22:06,457 I MEAN, THERE'S NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT. 427 00:22:06,459 --> 00:22:09,393 SO, WHAT DID THEY DO TO INVESTIGATE ALFRED? 428 00:22:09,395 --> 00:22:14,231 THEY NOT ONLY DID THE SWABBING FOR GUNSHOT RESIDUE, 429 00:22:14,233 --> 00:22:17,101 THEY INTERVIEWED HIM, THEY CHECKED TIMECARDS. 430 00:22:17,103 --> 00:22:19,503 THEY MEASURED THE DISTANCE TO WORK. 431 00:22:19,505 --> 00:22:22,506 ALL THE EVIDENCE POINTED AWAY FROM ALFRED. 432 00:22:22,508 --> 00:22:24,308 POLICE THEN SHIFTED THEIR ATTENTION 433 00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:27,144 TOWARDS MARY JANE'S OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS, 434 00:22:27,146 --> 00:22:29,680 BUT THERE WAS A PROBLEM. 435 00:22:29,682 --> 00:22:33,451 THEY COULDN'T GET AHOLD OF THE YOUNGEST SON, BILL. 436 00:22:35,688 --> 00:22:39,056 HE LIVED MAYBE 25, 30 MILES AWAY 437 00:22:39,058 --> 00:22:40,858 OUT IN THE WOODS IN A CABIN. 438 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:43,794 SO, GIVE ME A SNAPSHOT OF BILL AT THAT TIME, 439 00:22:43,796 --> 00:22:45,896 GENERALLY IN HIS 20s. 440 00:22:45,898 --> 00:22:49,967 I DON'T RECALL HIM HAVING A FIXED JOB. 441 00:22:49,969 --> 00:22:51,802 HE WAS IN TROUBLE A LITTLE BIT. 442 00:22:51,804 --> 00:22:53,637 I KNOW HE HAS A FELONY CONVICTION. 443 00:22:53,639 --> 00:22:55,005 HE HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN DRUGS. 444 00:22:55,007 --> 00:22:56,207 YES. 445 00:22:56,209 --> 00:22:58,042 WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY WENT TO BILL'S CABIN? 446 00:22:58,044 --> 00:22:59,710 THEY DON'T FIND HIM. 447 00:22:59,712 --> 00:23:01,979 THERE'S NO ANSWER AT THE DOOR. 448 00:23:01,981 --> 00:23:03,814 THEY TAKE A LOOK AROUND. 449 00:23:03,816 --> 00:23:07,518 THEY FIND SOME SORT OF OUTBUILDING. 450 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,588 THEY FIND SOME SORT OF PLASTIC TARP 451 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:11,789 COVERED WITH BLOOD. 452 00:23:14,227 --> 00:23:15,493 THE QUESTION BECOMES, 453 00:23:15,495 --> 00:23:17,928 ARE WE GONNA FIND ANOTHER BODY? 454 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:22,133 THE QUESTION BECOMES, 455 00:23:25,271 --> 00:23:27,471 MARCH 13, 2000, 456 00:23:27,473 --> 00:23:30,741 JUST TWO DAYS BEFORE THE RUIZ FAMILY DOUBLE MURDER 457 00:23:30,743 --> 00:23:33,744 IN FLORIDA... 458 00:23:33,746 --> 00:23:36,330 MARY JANE MARQUARDT WAS SIMILARLY KILLED 459 00:23:36,332 --> 00:23:38,666 IN CHIPPEWA FALLS, WISCONSIN. 460 00:23:38,668 --> 00:23:40,734 AND HER SON, BILL, WAS MISSING. 461 00:23:40,736 --> 00:23:44,321 THE QUESTION BECOMES, WAS BILL A TARGET? 462 00:23:44,323 --> 00:23:48,125 AND MAYBE THE PERSON WENT TO GET BILL AT HIS OLD HOUSE, 463 00:23:48,127 --> 00:23:50,361 FOUND MARY JANE. 464 00:23:50,363 --> 00:23:52,797 AFTER FINDING A BLOOD-SOAKED TARP 465 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,131 NEAR BILL'S CABIN, 466 00:23:54,133 --> 00:23:56,767 POLICE SECURED A SEARCH WARRANT TO ENTER THE CABIN, 467 00:23:56,769 --> 00:24:00,004 FEARFUL BILL MIGHT BE DEAD INSIDE. 468 00:24:01,774 --> 00:24:03,040 IN HIS HOUSE, 469 00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:06,877 IT WAS IN COMPLETE AND UTTER DISARRAY. 470 00:24:06,879 --> 00:24:09,680 THE POLICE OFFICERS DIDN'T FIND BILL, 471 00:24:09,682 --> 00:24:13,818 BUT THEY FOUND SOMETHING ELSE THAT PIQUED THEIR SUSPICIONS. 472 00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:19,089 THEY FIND ONE LIVE 9-MILLIMETER ROUND. 473 00:24:19,091 --> 00:24:21,225 WHAT IS THAT SAYING TO INVESTIGATORS? 474 00:24:21,227 --> 00:24:23,561 9-MILLIMETER IS A COMMON ROUND, 475 00:24:23,563 --> 00:24:25,796 BUT WE HAVE A 9-MILLIMETER 476 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:28,833 AT MARY JANE MARQUARDT'S DEATH SCENE. 477 00:24:28,835 --> 00:24:31,735 AND BILL MARQUARDT'S MISSING. 478 00:24:31,737 --> 00:24:36,707 THE FOCUS OF THE INVESTIGATION STARTS TO TURN IN HIS DIRECTION. 479 00:24:36,709 --> 00:24:38,843 SINCE 24-YEAR-OLD BILL MARQUARDT 480 00:24:38,845 --> 00:24:40,377 WAS A CONVICTED FELON, 481 00:24:40,379 --> 00:24:42,880 THE 9-MILLIMETER ROUND FOUND IN HIS CABIN 482 00:24:42,882 --> 00:24:46,350 WAS A VIOLATION OF HIS PAROLE. 483 00:24:46,352 --> 00:24:50,287 THAT, ALONG WITH THE MOUNTING CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, 484 00:24:50,289 --> 00:24:52,623 WAS ENOUGH FOR AN ARREST WARRANT. 485 00:24:54,193 --> 00:24:55,793 AND WERE THEY ABLE TO FIND BILL? 486 00:24:55,795 --> 00:24:57,795 ABOUT THREE DAYS AFTER THEY HAD SEARCHED 487 00:24:57,797 --> 00:24:59,897 THE BILL MARQUARDT CABIN, 488 00:24:59,899 --> 00:25:01,332 THE NEIGHBOR CALLS 489 00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:03,367 AND SAYS BILL MARQUARDT'S FORD THUNDERBIRD 490 00:25:03,369 --> 00:25:06,270 HAD JUST DRIVEN BY, HEADED TOWARDS THE CABIN. 491 00:25:10,843 --> 00:25:15,613 EXPECTING BILL TO BE ARMED AND DANGEROUS, 492 00:25:15,615 --> 00:25:19,617 POLICE DISPATCHED A S.W.A.T. TEAM TO HIS CABIN. 493 00:25:19,619 --> 00:25:22,586 THEY CAME UP THIS DRIVEWAY OVER HERE. 494 00:25:22,588 --> 00:25:24,188 THEY ANNOUNCED THEIR PRESENCE. 495 00:25:24,190 --> 00:25:26,390 HE CAME WILLINGLY. 496 00:25:26,392 --> 00:25:28,192 ANY EXPLANATION ON WHERE HE'D BEEN? 497 00:25:28,194 --> 00:25:31,161 HE SAID HE'D BEEN ON VACATION. 498 00:25:31,163 --> 00:25:32,863 THEY PLACED HIM UNDER ARREST. 499 00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,832 HE WAS WEARING A PAIR OF PANTS 500 00:25:34,834 --> 00:25:37,535 THAT THERE WAS A FOLDING KNIFE IN HIS POCKET. 501 00:25:37,537 --> 00:25:39,603 IT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD BEEN WIPED CLEAN. 502 00:25:41,307 --> 00:25:43,173 DETECTIVES ALSO NOTICED WHAT LOOKED LIKE 503 00:25:43,175 --> 00:25:46,310 BLOOD SPATTER ON BILL'S SHOES, 504 00:25:46,312 --> 00:25:49,046 MEANING HE MAY HAVE BEEN IN CLOSE PROXIMITY 505 00:25:49,048 --> 00:25:50,748 TO A GUNSHOT BLAST. 506 00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:53,584 NOW, WHAT ABOUT HIS CAR THAT HE HAD COME UP IN? 507 00:25:53,586 --> 00:25:55,252 THEY FOUND TWO RECEIPTS. 508 00:25:55,254 --> 00:25:58,255 ONE FROM THE STORAGE UNIT IN BELFAST, GEORGIA, 509 00:25:58,257 --> 00:26:00,791 AND ANOTHER FROM A KOA CAMPGROUND 510 00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:03,093 SOMEWHERE IN THE FLORIDA KEYS. 511 00:26:03,095 --> 00:26:06,130 POLICE SENT BILL'S GREEN FORD THUNDERBIRD 512 00:26:06,132 --> 00:26:08,899 AND ALL THE BLOOD EVIDENCE FOR FORENSIC ANALYSIS 513 00:26:08,901 --> 00:26:11,468 AND SEARCHED HIS CABIN A SECOND TIME. 514 00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:12,570 BUT MARY JANE HAD BEEN SHOT. 515 00:26:12,572 --> 00:26:13,771 DID THEY FIND A GUN? 516 00:26:13,773 --> 00:26:15,806 NOT THAT SECOND SEARCH WARRANT, THEY DIDN'T. 517 00:26:15,808 --> 00:26:18,475 ABOUT 11 DAYS LATER, THEY GOT A THIRD SEARCH WARRANT, 518 00:26:18,477 --> 00:26:19,710 CAME BACK, 519 00:26:19,712 --> 00:26:22,846 AND THEY MOVED THE REFRIGERATOR BACK. 520 00:26:22,848 --> 00:26:25,182 THAT'S WHEN THEY FIND THE 9-MILLIMETER. 521 00:26:27,019 --> 00:26:29,119 DAYS LATER, BALLISTIC TESTS SHOWED 522 00:26:29,121 --> 00:26:33,857 THAT BILL'S MOTHER HAD BEEN SHOT WITH THE GUN FOUND IN HIS CABIN. 523 00:26:33,859 --> 00:26:36,527 THE BLOOD TESTS WERE EVEN MORE REVEALING. 524 00:26:36,529 --> 00:26:40,464 WHILE STAINS ON THE TARP TURNED OUT TO BE ANIMAL BLOOD, 525 00:26:40,466 --> 00:26:44,234 THE OTHER BLOOD EVIDENCE WAS HUMAN. 526 00:26:44,236 --> 00:26:48,138 THE SHOES, THE HIGH-VELOCITY BLOOD SPATTER, 527 00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:50,708 CAME BACK TO MARY JANE. 528 00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:52,309 WHEN THE KNIFE WAS OPENED, 529 00:26:52,311 --> 00:26:55,813 THEY FOUND THE DNA OF MARY JANE MARQUARDT 530 00:26:55,815 --> 00:26:58,515 AND BILL MARQUARDT 531 00:26:58,517 --> 00:27:01,919 AND TWO OTHER WOMEN, 532 00:27:01,921 --> 00:27:05,089 UNKNOWN, FAMILIALLY RELATED. 533 00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:10,594 DESPITE THE MYSTERIOUS FEMALE BLOOD ON BILL'S KNIFE, 534 00:27:10,596 --> 00:27:12,730 THE D.A. NOW HAD THE EVIDENCE 535 00:27:12,732 --> 00:27:15,699 TO FORMALLY CHARGE HIM WITH A FIRST-DEGREE MURDER 536 00:27:15,701 --> 00:27:17,468 OF HIS MOTHER. 537 00:27:18,604 --> 00:27:20,738 SIX LONG YEARS PASSED 538 00:27:20,740 --> 00:27:22,539 WHILE COURTS TRIED TO DETERMINE 539 00:27:22,541 --> 00:27:25,309 IF BILL MARQUARDT WAS FIT TO STAND TRIAL. 540 00:27:28,247 --> 00:27:30,781 FINALLY, IN MAY 2006, 541 00:27:30,783 --> 00:27:33,951 THE HIGH-PROFILE CASE WAS READY TO MOVE FORWARD. 542 00:27:33,953 --> 00:27:38,322 THIS WAS A BIG CASE BY ANY STANDARD, 543 00:27:38,324 --> 00:27:41,025 LET ALONE CHIPPEWA FALLS. 544 00:27:41,027 --> 00:27:43,360 HOW MANY MURDER CASES HAD YOU DONE BEFORE THAT? 545 00:27:43,362 --> 00:27:46,997 THIS WAS MY FIRST MURDER CASE. 546 00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:50,234 BY THEN, MANY IN TOWN ALREADY HAD A STRONG OPINION 547 00:27:50,236 --> 00:27:51,835 ABOUT BILL'S GUILT. 548 00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:53,971 HOW WAS THAT MAYBE GOING TO AFFECT THE TRIAL? 549 00:27:53,973 --> 00:27:58,609 MARQUARDT'S LAWYER SUSPECTED THAT A CHIPPEWA FALLS JURY 550 00:27:58,611 --> 00:28:01,679 WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GIVE BILL A FAIR TRIAL. 551 00:28:01,681 --> 00:28:04,815 THERE WAS A CHANGE OF VENUE BECAUSE OF ALL THE PUBLICITY. 552 00:28:04,817 --> 00:28:06,316 IN THE 21 YEARS AS A PROSECUTOR, 553 00:28:06,318 --> 00:28:08,652 I'VE NEVER HAD A CASE THAT WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN OUT. 554 00:28:08,654 --> 00:28:11,922 I CAN IMAGINE IT MAKING IT THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT 555 00:28:11,924 --> 00:28:15,025 OR STRESSFUL TO BE SOMEWHERE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 556 00:28:15,027 --> 00:28:16,427 WELL, LOGISTICS, YOU KNOW, 557 00:28:16,429 --> 00:28:17,961 YOU'RE NOT SLEEPING IN YOUR OWN BED. 558 00:28:17,963 --> 00:28:19,029 YOU'RE IN A HOTEL. 559 00:28:19,031 --> 00:28:20,798 BUT BEYOND THAT, 560 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,633 THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE MOVED 561 00:28:22,635 --> 00:28:25,369 HAD NOT BEEN OFFENDED BY THE HOMICIDE. 562 00:28:25,371 --> 00:28:28,572 IN HINDSIGHT, I THINK WE LOST SOMETHING 563 00:28:28,574 --> 00:28:31,008 BY SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A CHANGE OF VENUE. 564 00:28:33,145 --> 00:28:35,479 ALTHOUGH THE TRIAL WAS MOVED OUT OF THE COUNTY, 565 00:28:35,481 --> 00:28:38,449 THE PROSECUTION REMAINED CONFIDENT. 566 00:28:38,451 --> 00:28:40,617 STATE CONTENDS 567 00:28:40,619 --> 00:28:42,953 THAT MARY JANE MARQUARDT'S MURDERER 568 00:28:42,955 --> 00:28:46,123 WAS, IN FACT, HER YOUNGEST SON, BILL. 569 00:28:46,125 --> 00:28:49,326 I THOUGHT JOHN HAD A SLAM DUNK CASE ON HIS HANDS. 570 00:28:49,328 --> 00:28:51,395 IT'S AN ASSERTION WE CHOOSE TO MAKE. 571 00:28:51,397 --> 00:28:53,163 WE DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY. 572 00:28:53,165 --> 00:28:56,133 JOHN WAS A YOUNG DISTRICT ATTORNEY. 573 00:28:56,135 --> 00:28:58,502 HE'D BEEN IN OFFICE FOR TWO YEARS, 574 00:28:58,504 --> 00:29:00,504 AS CHARISMATIC AS THEY COME. 575 00:29:00,506 --> 00:29:03,474 THAT MORNING IN COURT, ALL THAT SHINED THROUGH. 576 00:29:03,476 --> 00:29:07,311 LAW ENFORCEMENT WENT ABOUT NOTIFYING THE FAMILY. 577 00:29:07,313 --> 00:29:11,381 FACTS WILL SHOW THAT THEY COULD NOT LOCATE ONE FAMILY MEMBER, 578 00:29:11,383 --> 00:29:12,616 BILL PAUL MARQUARDT. 579 00:29:12,618 --> 00:29:15,419 AS SOON AS MARQUARDT'S ATTORNEY, JOHN BRINKMAN, 580 00:29:15,421 --> 00:29:17,354 GAVE HIS OPENING STATEMENTS... 581 00:29:17,356 --> 00:29:18,822 THERE WILL BE EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS 582 00:29:18,824 --> 00:29:21,091 THAT BILL WAS VERY CLOSE TO HIS MOTHER. 583 00:29:21,093 --> 00:29:23,527 WE HAD A BREAK IN THE TRIAL, 584 00:29:23,529 --> 00:29:27,297 AND I REMEMBERED CALLING BACK TO THE OFFICE SAYING, 585 00:29:27,299 --> 00:29:29,533 "WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE." 586 00:29:29,535 --> 00:29:31,935 THE CABIN WAS NOT SEALED OFF AS EVIDENCE. 587 00:29:31,937 --> 00:29:34,738 BRINKMAN WAS INTRODUCING EVIDENCE 588 00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:38,008 THAT YOU COULD JUST TELL IN THE EYES OF THE JURY 589 00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:40,310 THAT HE WAS STRIKING A CHORD 590 00:29:40,312 --> 00:29:42,446 AND CREATING DOUBT. 591 00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:44,948 AND DID THAT FEELING REMAIN WITH YOU 592 00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:46,817 THROUGH EACH DAY OF THE TRIAL? 593 00:29:46,819 --> 00:29:49,052 IT GOT WORSE. 594 00:29:49,054 --> 00:29:52,222 THE DEFENSE TRIED TO POINT TO, SOMEONE ELSE DID THIS, 595 00:29:52,224 --> 00:29:55,826 AND ATTEMPTED TO IMPLICATE LAW ENFORCEMENT. 596 00:29:55,828 --> 00:29:57,561 THE MURDER WEAPON WAS NOT THERE 597 00:29:57,563 --> 00:29:59,429 IN THE TIME OF THE SECOND SEARCH. 598 00:29:59,431 --> 00:30:03,534 BECAUSE OF THE MISSED GUN ON THE SECOND SEARCH WARRANT, 599 00:30:03,536 --> 00:30:07,104 THE FOUND GUN ON THE THIRD SEARCH WARRANT, 600 00:30:07,106 --> 00:30:10,707 THEY GAVE A DIRECT IMPLICATION 601 00:30:10,709 --> 00:30:13,677 OF LAW ENFORCEMENT PLANTING EVIDENCE. 602 00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:15,579 ANOTHER ISSUE THEY BROUGHT UP WAS, 603 00:30:15,581 --> 00:30:17,648 WHEN THEY TOOK THE KNIFE APART, 604 00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:24,254 THEY FIND THE DNA FROM TWO RELATED FEMALES. 605 00:30:24,256 --> 00:30:27,191 THE DEFENSE INDICATES THAT PERHAPS 606 00:30:27,193 --> 00:30:33,230 ONE OF THESE TWO UNKNOWN WOMEN IS THE SUSPECT. 607 00:30:33,232 --> 00:30:36,600 HOW CONCERNED WERE YOU ABOUT THOSE ISSUES 608 00:30:36,602 --> 00:30:38,035 AS YOU WENT THROUGH THE TRIAL? 609 00:30:38,037 --> 00:30:41,972 I ADDRESSED THE ISSUES AS BEST I COULD. 610 00:30:41,974 --> 00:30:44,908 WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE FACTS AND ANALYZED 611 00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:46,910 AND COMPARED THEM WITH FORENSIC SCIENCE. 612 00:30:46,912 --> 00:30:52,716 I REASONABLY DISCREDITED THE DISTRACTIONS. 613 00:30:52,718 --> 00:30:54,718 IN ONE SHORT WEEK, 614 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,389 THE YOUNG PROSECUTOR'S FIRST HOMICIDE CASE WAS OVER. 615 00:31:06,532 --> 00:31:10,067 FIND THE DEFENDANT BILL PAUL MARQUARDT... 616 00:31:10,069 --> 00:31:11,335 NOT GUILTY. 617 00:31:19,111 --> 00:31:21,411 TELL ME WHAT WENT THROUGH YOUR MIND. 618 00:31:21,413 --> 00:31:23,914 I DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. 619 00:31:23,916 --> 00:31:27,384 I STILL COULDN'T TELL YOU WHY HE KILLED HIS MOTHER. 620 00:31:27,386 --> 00:31:29,353 IT'S NOT A REQUIRED ELEMENT. 621 00:31:29,355 --> 00:31:31,321 BUT YOU KNOW AS A PROSECUTOR, 622 00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:33,390 BEFORE A JURY CONVICTS SOMEBODY, 623 00:31:33,392 --> 00:31:35,726 THEY NEED TO KNOW WHY HE DID IT, 624 00:31:35,728 --> 00:31:40,998 ESPECIALLY CONVICTING A SON OF KILLING HIS MOTHER. 625 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,200 AND THAT'S IT. I MEAN, ONCE SOMEONE HAS A TRIAL 626 00:31:43,202 --> 00:31:44,801 AND THEY'RE ACQUITTED, 627 00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:47,070 WE CAN'T RETRY THEM AGAIN. 628 00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:51,341 IT'S A PRETTY HARSH REALITY AS A PROSECUTOR. 629 00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:54,711 I HAD LET MY COMMUNITY DOWN. 630 00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:57,281 ALL THESE CASES THAT WE HANDLE AS PROSECUTORS, 631 00:31:57,283 --> 00:32:00,284 THERE IS A SUBJECTIVITY TO IT. 632 00:32:00,286 --> 00:32:02,552 FROM MY OWN 21 YEARS AS A PROSECUTOR, 633 00:32:02,554 --> 00:32:06,223 THERE IS NO CERTAINTY TO ANY OF IT. 634 00:32:06,225 --> 00:32:09,893 SOMETIMES, UNFORTUNATELY, BESIDES OUR WINS, 635 00:32:09,895 --> 00:32:12,763 THERE ARE LOSSES AND NEGATIVE THINGS 636 00:32:12,765 --> 00:32:14,364 THAT WE DON'T EXPECT. 637 00:32:14,366 --> 00:32:17,034 HOPEFULLY THEN WE GO ON FROM THEM. 638 00:32:17,036 --> 00:32:20,404 IN THE DAYS AFTER, 639 00:32:20,406 --> 00:32:23,040 I TOOK OFF, I WENT FOR A RUN ALONE, 640 00:32:23,042 --> 00:32:24,908 AND IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY, 641 00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:29,112 SO I HAPPEN TO RUN INTO... 642 00:32:29,114 --> 00:32:30,714 MY OLD TRACK COACH. 643 00:32:33,585 --> 00:32:35,552 PUT HIS HAND ON MY SHOULDER 644 00:32:35,554 --> 00:32:36,920 AND JUST SAID, "YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. 645 00:32:36,922 --> 00:32:38,455 WE BELIEVE IN YOU." 646 00:32:42,027 --> 00:32:44,394 AND THAT'S -- THAT'S WHAT D.A.s DO. 647 00:32:51,170 --> 00:32:53,236 AFTER THE DEMORALIZING LOSS, 648 00:32:53,238 --> 00:32:56,206 THE YOUNG PROSECUTOR DID A LOT OF SOUL SEARCHING. 649 00:32:56,208 --> 00:32:58,875 SO WERE YOU ABLE TO PUT THIS CASE OUT OF YOUR MIND 650 00:32:58,877 --> 00:33:02,012 AFTER YOU GOT THAT DISAPPOINTING VERDICT? 651 00:33:02,014 --> 00:33:04,281 NO. 652 00:33:04,283 --> 00:33:06,516 I STILL BELIEVED IN MY HEART 653 00:33:06,518 --> 00:33:09,119 THAT BILL PAUL MARQUARDT WAS NOT ONLY A MURDERER, 654 00:33:09,121 --> 00:33:11,054 HE WAS A DANGEROUS PERSON. 655 00:33:11,056 --> 00:33:15,759 I REMEMBER THE UNEXPLAINED DNA ON THE INSIDE OF THE KNIFE. 656 00:33:15,761 --> 00:33:20,230 WHY COULDN'T WE FIND WHERE THAT DNA CAME FROM? 657 00:33:20,232 --> 00:33:22,666 THE D.A. ALSO RECALLED THAT RECEIPTS 658 00:33:22,668 --> 00:33:26,370 FOUND IN BILL'S GREEN CAR SHOWN HE HAD DRIVEN TO KEY WEST 659 00:33:26,372 --> 00:33:28,438 RIGHT AFTER HIS MOTHER'S MURDER. 660 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,973 IT'S MY CONTENTION 661 00:33:29,975 --> 00:33:32,776 THAT, IF HE KILLED SOMEONE WITH THAT KNIFE, 662 00:33:32,778 --> 00:33:36,546 THAT HE DID IT ON HIS VACATION. 663 00:33:36,548 --> 00:33:38,548 THEISEN BEGAN THE DAUNTING TASK 664 00:33:38,550 --> 00:33:40,550 OF RESEARCHING DOUBLE HOMICIDES 665 00:33:40,552 --> 00:33:42,252 THAT OCCURRED ALONG BILL'S ROUTE 666 00:33:42,254 --> 00:33:43,687 DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. 667 00:33:43,689 --> 00:33:46,823 HE WAS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR TWO FEMALE VICTIMS 668 00:33:46,825 --> 00:33:48,725 WHO WERE BIOLOGICALLY RELATED. 669 00:33:48,727 --> 00:33:50,427 HOW DID YOU DO THAT? I MEAN, THIS IS A HUGE AREA 670 00:33:50,429 --> 00:33:51,928 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, FROM WISCONSIN 671 00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:53,964 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FLORIDA KEYS. 672 00:33:53,966 --> 00:33:57,467 I KNEW THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE EASY. 673 00:33:57,469 --> 00:34:01,505 BUT I ALSO HAD THIS BELIEF THAT IT WAS OUT THERE. 674 00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:06,009 RIGHT, HERE YOU GO. 675 00:34:06,011 --> 00:34:08,678 THIS IS THE CASE FILE. 676 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,547 AFTER COUNTLESS LATE NIGHTS 677 00:34:10,549 --> 00:34:12,082 AND HUNDREDS OF DEAD ENDS, 678 00:34:12,084 --> 00:34:14,017 THEISEN CAME UPON A BULLETIN 679 00:34:14,019 --> 00:34:16,186 FROM SUMTER COUNTY, FLORIDA. 680 00:34:16,188 --> 00:34:18,755 THAT'S THE CONNECTION RIGHT THERE. 681 00:34:18,757 --> 00:34:20,957 STARING BACK AT JOHN THEISEN 682 00:34:20,959 --> 00:34:25,062 WERE THE FACES OF MARGARITA RUIZ AND HOPE WELLS. 683 00:34:25,064 --> 00:34:28,031 AND THIS IS THE ACTUAL BULLETIN THAT YOU PULLED 684 00:34:28,033 --> 00:34:29,516 OFF THE COMPUTER? THAT'S IT. 685 00:34:29,518 --> 00:34:32,502 TELL ME WHAT THIS INFORMATION MEANT TO YOU WHEN YOU READ IT. 686 00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:35,572 IT WAS MS. RUIZ. 687 00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:39,309 HER FACE, THERE'S A CONNECTION TO HER EYES. 688 00:34:39,311 --> 00:34:40,911 THERE'S A PLEADING, 689 00:34:40,913 --> 00:34:42,245 "HELP ME OUT, 690 00:34:42,247 --> 00:34:45,348 MAKE THE CALL." 691 00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:48,885 THEISEN DIALED THE SUMTER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 692 00:34:48,887 --> 00:34:50,120 AND WITHIN SECONDS, 693 00:34:50,122 --> 00:34:52,756 DETECTIVE GARY BRANNEN PICKED UP. 694 00:34:52,758 --> 00:34:55,392 I SAID, "CAPTAIN BRANNEN, MY NAME IS JOHN THEISEN. 695 00:34:55,394 --> 00:34:59,930 HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF CHIPPEWA COUNTY, WISCONSIN?" 696 00:35:03,902 --> 00:35:03,967 I SAID, "CAPTAIN BRANNEN, MY NAME IS JOHN THEISEN. 697 00:35:06,738 --> 00:35:09,272 ...FIND THE DEFENDANT BILL PAUL MARQUARDT 698 00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:10,407 NOT GUILTY. 699 00:35:10,409 --> 00:35:12,275 AFTER HIS STUNNING LOSS 700 00:35:12,277 --> 00:35:14,945 IN BILL MARQUARDT'S CHIPPEWA FALLS MURDER TRIAL, 701 00:35:14,947 --> 00:35:18,215 PROSECUTOR JOHN THEISEN MAY HAVE FOUND A LINK 702 00:35:18,217 --> 00:35:21,785 TO THE RUIZ FAMILY MURDERS IN SUMTER COUNTY, FLORIDA. 703 00:35:21,787 --> 00:35:24,588 HE CALLED DETECTIVE BRANNEN TO COMPARE NOTES. 704 00:35:24,590 --> 00:35:26,223 I SAID, "CAPTAIN BRANNEN, 705 00:35:26,225 --> 00:35:29,426 THE MURDER VICTIMS IN SUMTER COUNTY ARE TWO WOMEN. 706 00:35:29,428 --> 00:35:30,994 BUT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT LAST NAMES." 707 00:35:30,996 --> 00:35:34,264 AND HE WANTED TO KNOW IF OUR TWO FEMALES WERE RELATED. 708 00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:35,632 AND I SAID, "WELL, YES, THEY ARE. 709 00:35:35,634 --> 00:35:37,467 THEY'RE MOTHER AND DAUGHTER." 710 00:35:37,469 --> 00:35:41,505 I CAN FEEL THE HEART REACT. 711 00:35:41,507 --> 00:35:42,472 OKAY. 712 00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:43,607 TAKE A DEEP BREATH. 713 00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:46,943 I SAY, "I SEE IN YOUR ANNOUNCEMENT 714 00:35:46,945 --> 00:35:49,613 THAT THEY WERE SHOT WITH A 9-MILLIMETER PISTOL." 715 00:35:49,615 --> 00:35:52,449 I ASKED HIM IF THEY WERE ALSO STABBED. 716 00:35:52,451 --> 00:35:54,551 AND I SAID, "WELL, THEY BOTH WERE STABBED 717 00:35:54,553 --> 00:35:57,854 IN THE NECK NUMEROUS TIMES." 718 00:35:57,856 --> 00:36:02,225 AT THAT POINT, I PROBABLY COULDN'T BREATHE. 719 00:36:02,227 --> 00:36:05,662 THEY HAD BEEN STABBED IN MUCH THE SAME ODD MANNER 720 00:36:05,664 --> 00:36:07,464 AS MARY JANE MARQUARDT. 721 00:36:07,466 --> 00:36:10,333 AND THEN HE SAID, "HOW CERTAIN ARE YOU 722 00:36:10,335 --> 00:36:12,435 IT WAS A BLACK MALE IN A GREEN CAR?" 723 00:36:12,437 --> 00:36:15,705 HE SAYS, "OH, THAT WAS DISCREDITED LONG AGO." 724 00:36:15,707 --> 00:36:17,274 I MEAN, I CAN FEEL MY OWN HEART BEATING 725 00:36:17,276 --> 00:36:18,642 JUST FROM HEARING YOU TELL THAT STORY. 726 00:36:18,644 --> 00:36:21,678 TELL ME WHAT YOU ARE THINKING AND FEELING 727 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,514 AS THIS PHONE CALL IS TAKING PLACE. 728 00:36:24,516 --> 00:36:29,052 AS EACH QUESTION IS CONFIRMED, 729 00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:33,323 IT JUST GROWS INSIDE OF ME THAT WE MAY HAVE THIS GUY. 730 00:36:33,325 --> 00:36:34,858 WITHIN 24 HOURS, 731 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:40,163 THE INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITIES FROM FLORIDA AND WISCONSIN 732 00:36:40,165 --> 00:36:43,033 ARE ABLE TO DO A COMPARISON OF THE DNA. 733 00:36:43,035 --> 00:36:45,802 AND THEY HAD CONFIRMED THAT THE DNA EVIDENCE 734 00:36:45,804 --> 00:36:47,504 ON THE KNIFE IN WISCONSIN 735 00:36:47,506 --> 00:36:49,706 WAS THE DNA OF OUR TWO VICTIMS 736 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:53,243 TO THE EXCLUSION OF ANYBODY ELSE ON EARTH. 737 00:36:53,245 --> 00:36:54,344 HOW DID THAT MAKE YOU FEEL? 738 00:36:54,346 --> 00:36:55,912 IT TOOK A WEIGHT OFF OF MY SHOULDERS 739 00:36:55,914 --> 00:36:58,348 THAT WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. 740 00:36:58,350 --> 00:37:00,483 I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD EQUATE IT TO 741 00:37:00,485 --> 00:37:03,486 OUTSIDE OF THE LAW-ENFORCEMENT WORLD. 742 00:37:03,488 --> 00:37:06,122 IT'S A MATCH. 743 00:37:06,124 --> 00:37:07,791 WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? 744 00:37:07,793 --> 00:37:10,760 IT'S AWFULLY NICE TO KNOW YOU WON. 745 00:37:13,765 --> 00:37:16,266 PROSECUTORS ALWAYS LIKE TO HAVE A MOTIVE 746 00:37:16,268 --> 00:37:17,934 BEFORE GOING TO TRIAL. 747 00:37:17,936 --> 00:37:20,503 POLICE THOUGHT BILL MAY HAVE DRIVEN TO FLORIDA 748 00:37:20,505 --> 00:37:23,540 TRYING TO ESTABLISH AN ALIBI FOR HIS MOTHER'S MURDER. 749 00:37:23,542 --> 00:37:26,610 BUT NOBODY KNOWS WHY HE KILLED TWO WOMEN 750 00:37:26,612 --> 00:37:28,245 ONCE HE GOT THERE. 751 00:37:31,116 --> 00:37:33,049 IN DECEMBER 2006, 752 00:37:33,051 --> 00:37:34,484 MARQUARDT WAS INDICTED 753 00:37:34,486 --> 00:37:36,519 ON TWO COUNTS OF FIRST-DEGREE MURDER. 754 00:37:38,557 --> 00:37:39,823 FIVE YEARS LATER, 755 00:37:39,825 --> 00:37:43,760 HE WAS EXTRADITED TO FLORIDA TO STAND TRIAL. 756 00:37:50,269 --> 00:37:52,802 SO THIS IS THE COURTROOM WHERE YOU TRIED BILL MARQUARDT 757 00:37:52,804 --> 00:37:55,205 FOR THE MURDER OF ESPERANZA WELLS 758 00:37:55,207 --> 00:37:56,940 AND MARGARITA RUIZ? 759 00:37:56,942 --> 00:38:00,176 THIS IS IT. 760 00:38:00,178 --> 00:38:02,145 WHAT TYPE OF A CASE WAS THIS? 761 00:38:02,147 --> 00:38:06,149 IT WAS PROBABLY THE BEST FORENSIC EVIDENCE 762 00:38:06,151 --> 00:38:09,552 MURDER CASE THAT I HAD HAD TO THAT DATE. 763 00:38:09,554 --> 00:38:13,490 THERE WAS DNA EVIDENCE, BALLISTIC EVIDENCE. 764 00:38:13,492 --> 00:38:16,059 THE FIREARM THAT WAS ULTIMATELY LOCATED 765 00:38:16,061 --> 00:38:18,628 UNDERNEATH A REFRIGERATOR IN THE CABIN 766 00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:21,998 MATCHED THE SHELL CASINGS AND THE PROJECTILES HERE. 767 00:38:24,036 --> 00:38:27,671 BUT BILL MARQUARDT, WHO HAD ALREADY BEAT ONE MURDER CHARGE, 768 00:38:27,673 --> 00:38:30,340 THREW A WRENCH INTO THE PROCEEDINGS 769 00:38:30,342 --> 00:38:34,744 BY OPTING TO REPRESENT HIMSELF. 770 00:38:34,746 --> 00:38:38,348 I THINK ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL ALMOST HANDCUFFS, I FEEL. 771 00:38:38,350 --> 00:38:40,216 YOU HAVE THIS CASE TO PRESENT, 772 00:38:40,218 --> 00:38:42,485 AND WE KNOW THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SURE THING. 773 00:38:42,487 --> 00:38:43,853 I DON'T CARE HOW STRONG YOUR CASE IS, 774 00:38:43,855 --> 00:38:46,256 BUT YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE THIS JURY 775 00:38:46,258 --> 00:38:47,924 HOW STRONG YOUR EVIDENCE IS. 776 00:38:47,926 --> 00:38:50,627 BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT 777 00:38:50,629 --> 00:38:53,463 OF WHAT IT DOES 778 00:38:53,465 --> 00:38:55,732 WHEN THIS DEFENDANT IS REPRESENTING HIMSELF. 779 00:38:55,734 --> 00:38:57,267 TELL ME WHAT THAT WAS LIKE. 780 00:38:57,269 --> 00:38:59,602 I WAS CONCERNED THAT -- 781 00:38:59,604 --> 00:39:05,575 AND IT ONLY TAKES 1 OUT OF 12 TO THINK THAT -- 782 00:39:05,577 --> 00:39:07,677 MAGRINO'S PICKING ON HIM. 783 00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:10,113 MAGRINO'S BEATING UP ON THE DEFENDANT, 784 00:39:10,115 --> 00:39:11,681 AND HE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT. 785 00:39:11,683 --> 00:39:13,883 AND SO RATHER THE DEFENDANT SITTING THERE DURING THE TRIAL, 786 00:39:13,885 --> 00:39:15,318 YOU HAD HIM HERE, 787 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,554 AND THEN YOU HAD HIM HERE TALKING TO THE JURY. 788 00:39:17,556 --> 00:39:19,923 YOU HAD HIM THERE TALKING TO THE WITNESSES. 789 00:39:19,925 --> 00:39:22,992 SAME PEOPLE HE WAS ACCUSED OF RIPPING THEIR LIVES APART 790 00:39:22,994 --> 00:39:25,428 AND BRINGING THE EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM. 791 00:39:27,332 --> 00:39:30,834 BUT PETE MAGRINO WAS PLAGUED BY A THOUGHT. 792 00:39:30,836 --> 00:39:34,671 WHAT IF THE MAN ACCUSED OF KILLING HER GRANDMOTHER AND AUNT 793 00:39:34,673 --> 00:39:39,676 CALLED THE NOW 15-YEAR-OLD PAIGE RUIZ TO THE STAND? 794 00:39:39,678 --> 00:39:43,680 I DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT, BUT I HAD TO, 795 00:39:43,682 --> 00:39:47,150 IF HE CALLED ME TO THE STAND THAT DAY. 796 00:39:47,152 --> 00:39:50,353 I JUST REMEMBER HAVING TO MISS A WHOLE DAY OF SCHOOL 797 00:39:50,355 --> 00:39:52,589 AND SITTING OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM 798 00:39:52,591 --> 00:39:54,624 WITH EVERYBODY ELSE THAT WAS GETTING CALLED THAT DAY, 799 00:39:54,626 --> 00:39:56,559 WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING 800 00:39:56,561 --> 00:39:58,995 TO SEE IF HE WOULD CALL ME IN THAT DAY. 801 00:39:58,997 --> 00:40:00,730 LUCKILY, HE DIDN'T. 802 00:40:02,401 --> 00:40:04,968 ON OCTOBER 12, 2011, 803 00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:07,604 NINE DAYS AFTER THE TRIAL BEGAN, 804 00:40:07,606 --> 00:40:10,039 THE JURY DELIVERED THEIR VERDICT. 805 00:40:10,041 --> 00:40:11,541 YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THAT ONE LITTLE BIT 806 00:40:11,543 --> 00:40:12,942 OF THOUGHT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND. 807 00:40:12,944 --> 00:40:15,278 I'M SURE YOU AS A PROSECUTOR HAD IT EVERY TIME. 808 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,646 WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? 809 00:40:16,648 --> 00:40:18,882 BUT I WAS VERY CONFIDENT 810 00:40:18,884 --> 00:40:21,251 THAT HE WAS GONNA BE FOUND GUILTY. 811 00:40:21,253 --> 00:40:23,753 THE VERDICT WAS GUILTY AS CHARGED 812 00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:27,056 ON ALL THREE COUNTS OF THE INDICTMENT. 813 00:40:27,058 --> 00:40:32,429 IT WAS PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY REWARDING 814 00:40:32,431 --> 00:40:36,433 BECAUSE THOSE POOR FOLKS WHO WERE GOOD, 815 00:40:36,435 --> 00:40:39,369 DOWN-TO-EARTH, HARD-WORKING PEOPLE, 816 00:40:39,371 --> 00:40:45,875 WENT THROUGH SO MUCH DURING THE SPAN OF THIS CASE. 817 00:40:45,877 --> 00:40:48,378 IT TOOK OVER 11 YEARS, 818 00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:51,114 BUT THE RUIZ FAMILY FINALLY HAD JUSTICE 819 00:40:51,116 --> 00:40:53,850 FOR THE MURDERS OF MARGARITA AND HOPE. 820 00:40:53,852 --> 00:40:57,353 WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT WHEN THE VERDICT WAS READ? 821 00:40:57,355 --> 00:41:00,240 OH, I WAS ECSTATIC. 822 00:41:00,242 --> 00:41:02,826 THE ENDING OF IT WAS THERE. 823 00:41:02,828 --> 00:41:04,227 AND I LOOKED UP TO GOD, 824 00:41:04,229 --> 00:41:06,262 AND I SAID, "THANK YOU." 825 00:41:06,264 --> 00:41:08,832 THE GUILTY VERDICT WAS ESPECIALLY MEANINGFUL 826 00:41:08,834 --> 00:41:11,468 FOR PAIGE RUIZ, WHO WAS BOTH A WITNESS 827 00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:13,736 AND A SURVIVOR OF THE ATTACK. 828 00:41:13,738 --> 00:41:16,673 I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR THAT. 829 00:41:16,675 --> 00:41:21,711 BECAUSE I KNEW THAT HE WAS DOING TIME 830 00:41:21,713 --> 00:41:25,215 FOR SOMETHING THAT HE TOOK AWAY FROM ME AND MY FAMILY. 831 00:41:29,888 --> 00:41:32,188 ALTHOUGH HE NEVER ADMITTED GUILT, 832 00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:36,426 BILL MARQUARDT ASKED FOR AND RECEIVED THE DEATH PENALTY. 833 00:41:36,428 --> 00:41:38,595 HIS MOTIVE FOR THESE VICIOUS MURDERS 834 00:41:38,597 --> 00:41:40,930 WILL LIKELY NEVER BE KNOWN. 835 00:41:40,932 --> 00:41:42,999 HE CURRENTLY SITS ON DEATH ROW. 836 00:41:49,374 --> 00:41:53,142 17 YEARS AFTER THE MURDERS OF MARY JANE MARQUARDT, 837 00:41:53,144 --> 00:41:55,345 MARGARITA RUIZ, AND HOPE WELLS 838 00:41:55,347 --> 00:41:58,181 HAD SUCH A PROFOUND IMPACT ON HIS LIFE, 839 00:41:58,183 --> 00:42:00,783 WISCONSIN PROSECUTOR JOHN THEISEN 840 00:42:00,785 --> 00:42:05,522 TRAVELED TO SUMTER COUNTY, FLORIDA, FOR THE FIRST TIME. 841 00:42:05,524 --> 00:42:08,458 I KNOW YOU'VE NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE. 842 00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:10,260 WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR THOUGHTS? 843 00:42:13,098 --> 00:42:17,100 WHEN WE DID FINALLY GET TO VICTORY ON THIS ONE, 844 00:42:17,102 --> 00:42:19,135 I REALLY WISH I COULD HAVE SHARED IT 845 00:42:19,137 --> 00:42:21,137 WITH THESE TWO BEAUTIFUL WOMEN. 846 00:42:21,139 --> 00:42:24,140 -- Captions by VITAC -- www.vitac.com 847 00:42:24,142 --> 00:42:27,143 CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS65643

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