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At 42 million... The art world, where
paintings change hands for fortune.
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Thank you very much.
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But for every known masterpiece, there
may be another still waiting to be
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discovered. That is massively
encouraging.
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International art dealer Philip Mould
and I have teamed up to hunt for lost
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by great artists.
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We use old -fashioned detective work and
state -of -the -art science to get to
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the truth.
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Science can enable us to see beyond the
human eye.
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I can't believe it. Every case is packed
with surprise and intrigue. It's like a
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challenge. Who am I? But not every
painting is quite what it seems.
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Someone has put a signature on top.
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Yes. Dastardly. It's a journey that can
end in joy.
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You have an original thing.
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Congratulations. Or bitter
disappointment.
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Depressing end to the day. Sorry.
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In this episode, could this picture,
picked up for a song from a sale room in
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England, be by one of Canada's most
treasured impressionists, Helen
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Her paintings were some of the best pure
impressionist paintings by a Canadian.
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Does that exist?
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Overlooked for years, McNichol's work
now sells for six -figure sums.
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$250 ,000.
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Our investigation takes us to the
artist's birthplace of Canada, but proof
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hard to come by.
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There is no women of the fields listed
here.
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Well, that's depressing.
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Our search for evidence takes us to some
unlikely places.
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Oh, yes. That is what they look like,
isn't it? With an owner needing a life
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-changing windfall. I'm hoping that it
might make enough to get a bungalow or
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something. And a wealthy collector
waiting in the wings.
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Oh.
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Wow.
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Can we find the evidence we need?
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I've got the verdict here.
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I'm so nervous, honestly.
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This week's case takes us to the
medieval city of Lincoln in the East
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We've been contacted by a viewer who
wants our help investigating a picture
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bought on a whim from a local auction.
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We're meeting artist and small -time art
dealer David Taylor.
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Hello. Hi there. Come in, please. Thank
you.
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David hopes he's found a painting by one
of Canada's most celebrated female
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artists.
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So, looking at a breezy outdoor scene,
some figures in a field.
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It looks as though they're harvesting.
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Strong, bright colours.
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Very impressionistic.
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I have to say, I love the picture.
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Full of light, full of movement. That's
a child, I think, picking something with
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a basket.
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It's beautiful.
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And in the bottom left -hand corner,
what looks like a signature.
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Yes, I think it is signature.
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Helen McNicol, I believe.
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Helen McNicol.
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I have to say, that's not a name I've
ever heard of. I think Helen McNicol is
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name worth hanging on to. Early 20th
century, a leading Canadian
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now much collected and greatly regarded.
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Helen Galloway McNicol was born in
Toronto in 1879.
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A deaf artist who embraced a life full
of travel and adventure, she became one
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of Canada's most important
Impressionists.
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Basing herself in London, she painted in
England and France.
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Light was her primary subject. She was
adept at painting sun -drenched
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landscapes, typically with women working
and children playing.
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But in 1915, just as her career was
taking off, McNicol died suddenly
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complications from diabetes.
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She was just 35 years old.
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Recently, there has been a resurgence of
interest in her work.
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Last year, the chintz sofa sold for a
record -breaking sum, more than half a
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million pounds.
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Could David have struck gold and found a
valuable masterpiece by one of Canada's
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most treasured artists?
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So where did you get this picture from
then, David?
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I bought it at auction.
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I was just viewing, wandering round.
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This was in a corner in a plastic 1960s
frame, just bowled over by it really,
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painted by someone who really knows what
they're doing.
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How much did you pay for it?
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The most I've ever paid for a painting
at auction, £2 ,090.
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Had you ever heard of Helen McNichol?
No, I've never heard of her before.
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Were you worried about spending that
much money? Very worried. I mean, the
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thing was I had to tell my partner.
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But this gave you one of those dangerous
rushes of blood to the head.
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Absolutely, when the hair's on the back
of your neck, stand up.
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So how did the auction house catalogue
it? It was catalogued in the style of
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Helen Galloway McNichol.
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but I could see that somebody had
reduced the size of the painting, which
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an inch of the pigment tucked into the
frame.
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So when I looked with my little torch
under the stretcher at the bottom, I
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see something there.
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David's excellent detective work soon
paid off.
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Once home, he removed the frame and
discovered that the picture was in fact
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larger, folded over the support along
each edge.
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Now restretched to its full size, the
signature is revealed.
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But that wasn't the only curious thing
about the picture when David bought it.
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There's a small plastic plaque on the
front of the frame which said, Women of
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the Fields, Helen Nichol, spelt wrongly
with one L.
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And the date, 1958.
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1958? That's an odd date, because Helen
McNicol died, I think, in 1915.
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The wrong date and the wrong spelling on
the plaque is not helpful.
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To be a genuine McNicol, we're going to
need more solid evidence.
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Were there any other clues about
provenance with the picture? There was a
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provenance in the catalogue.
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The Pine Coffin Family of Canada and
then by descent.
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That's got to be a reasonably easy name
to search, I would think. There can't be
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too many Pine Coffin Families in Canada.
No, it's a strange name, isn't it?
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And in terms of value, then, so you paid
just over £2 ,000 for it.
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If it is by Helen McNichol, what would
it be worth, Philip?
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Well, her star is rising so fast at the
moment, it could be worth £300 ,000.
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Oh, God.
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Can I sit down now?
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Well, if this is fake or fortune, I have
to ask, if it's not by Helen McNichol,
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what would it be worth then, Philip? It
would be worth what you paid for it.
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Yes, I thought so. A couple of grand.
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So if we do manage to prove it's by
Helen McNichol, what would you do with
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I'd like to sell it, because I want the
money.
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No, really, we're on two levels here. My
problem is my sense of balance is
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terrible. I fell down the stairs the
other day. You're more somewhere on one
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level, really.
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I'm hoping that it might make enough to
get a bungalow or something.
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So this would be a life -changing... It
is, it would be, yes, if it was.
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But I'm prepared for it.
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Not to be, as well.
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I think that's a very healthy approach,
don't you, to this whole process we're
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about to embark on.
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And hopefully we will be able to prove
it by Helen McNichol and you will be
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to change your lives and buy a house
that's more comfortable for you to live
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That would be great.
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Before our investigation gets underway,
I want to get under the skin of David's
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picture.
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Does it have the quality of a McNicol
painting?
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At first glance, this looked like a
really thought -out picture of a central
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figure harvesting with two other figures
similarly working.
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Now, that is exactly the type of subject
matter that she went in for.
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The really strong mood music, though, is
Impressionism.
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I mean, look particularly at the crop.
You've got these deliciously thick
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impasto brushstrokes, and that's a
hallmark.
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And the other thing is the absence of
shadows.
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Depressionists didn't like the darkness,
and the darkest colour that we've got
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in this composition is the blue, just to
the right of the main figure.
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But there are things that worry me.
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Could this be exactly the type of
painting that a forger would feel it was
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doing? Why?
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My experience of fakers is that very
often they will choose an artist who's
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making big money, but not one who's
necessarily that well -known, so that it
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can't be easily dismissed.
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McNicol exactly falls into that
category.
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You know, to go from... A painting
bought publicly for £2 ,000 to an
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impressionist treasure worth potentially
£300 ,000 is the stuff of dreams.
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In order to get there, there's a lot to
prove.
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Come on in here, Fiona.
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David is no novice when it comes to art.
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Not only does he love to collect, but
he's also an artist and knows what to
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for when buying a painting.
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So I want to know what research he's
done so far on this picture.
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Have you contacted anyone about it, done
any research into it?
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Well, I did contact Heffles in Canada.
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They're an auction house who sold, about
ten years ago, a painting called
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Watching the Boats, fully catalogued as
Helen McNichol.
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They came back to me and I got this
email.
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I can let you read that.
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So, hi David, thanks for the photo.
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I had a chance to quickly check our
references on McNicol and could not
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this title or picture.
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After conferring with David and Robert
Heffel, we'll have to pass at this time.
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I'm sorry we can't provide further
assistance, but good luck with your
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So you hit a dead end with that. That
was awful.
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That was awful. I mean, can you imagine?
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If we do prove it's by Helen McNicol,
what would it mean to you to identify
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That would be wonderful.
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I just love her now.
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I've seen so much of her work.
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For that to be accepted would be just
wonderful.
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Back at the gallery in London, we're
going over the evidence.
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It really is a very striking image,
this.
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It's gorgeous.
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And we know that David bought it at
auction and the sales listing is still
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online. So in the listing...
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It said, from the Pine Coffin family,
originated in Canada and thenced by
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descent. So it's gone down through the
family.
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Yeah, so if the picture is by McNichol,
a Canadian link would make sense.
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There is a Pine Coffin family in
England, though.
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This was their ancestral home for 900
years, this fabulous 26 -bedroom mansion
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in Devon.
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Well, I mean, that's a potential lead,
isn't it? I wonder if one of the family
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can remember it.
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What about the back of the picture?
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So this is the back of the picture as it
looked like when David bought it.
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It's clear that a previous owner has
removed the canvas from its original
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support, called a stretcher, and
replaced it with a smaller one.
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So anything on the original frame, when
this painting was done, has been lost as
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far as we know, and then we're left with
this business of making it smaller.
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Yeah, so a turnover, as we call it.
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The picture has made smaller in so
doing.
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hiding a bit of the signature.
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Maybe they're trying to conceal it
deliberately. Maybe they had a sinister
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reason. I don't think so.
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It's possible that they were just trying
to make the picture fit into a smaller
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space. I've even known people make
pictures smaller just to fit into a
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I think it could have been just a cheap,
quick -fix solution by someone who
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didn't know what they were potentially
dealing with.
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So in terms of leads, then, we've got
the type of women of the field and then
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this name to investigate, Pine Coffin.
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A technical analysis might well help us,
but I also think one of us needs to go
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to Canada.
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OK, who gets to go?
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Rock, paper, scissors.
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Damn.
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Tough luck, Fiona.
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I've come to Canada on the trail of
Helen McNichol, a truly international
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artist. She based herself in London, but
it was in Canada.
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where she was most highly regarded.
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She frequently came home to exhibit her
work and played an important role in
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popularising Impressionism in North
America.
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Now more celebrated than ever, McNicol's
paintings can be found in almost every
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leading gallery in Canada.
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A major McNicol exhibition is about to
take place here in Quebec at the Musée
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National des Beaux -Arts.
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The Pierre Lassonde Pavilion is home to
modern Canadian art, and its namesake is
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one of McNichol's biggest collectors.
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A Canadian businessman who made his
fortune in gold, Pierre has given me
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permission to see a few of his prized
paintings.
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How does David's picture compare to
these genuine treasures?
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Just look at that.
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This windowless room has suddenly become
full of summer.
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This one in the middle, I think it's
called Sunny September, is a
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useful one to look at.
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The first and most recognisable
comparison, in a way, to David's picture
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brushstrokes of the background.
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These dynamic, conspicuous, colliding
brushstrokes are reminiscent of
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Impressionist masters like Monet and
Renoir, as well as Van Gogh.
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And it's something I recognise in the
background of David's picture.
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This is, at first glance, an
Impressionist painting, but it's not
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these figures. There's a solidity about
them. They're quite statuesque.
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The combination of the two, the solid
form of the figures and the clatter of
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strokes in the background, can also be
found in David's painting.
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Another direct comparison to David's
picture is the way that these whites are
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done. It's as if the white effervesces.
It shines brighter than is possible.
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And you can particularly see it here,
this delightful figure of a child.
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Notice how the thick, creamy whites have
been mixed with a glaze of yellow to
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make the whites stand out even more.
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That same technique is visible in the
white clothing of the main figure in
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David's picture.
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It really does seem to me that David's
picture comes from the same type of
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thought process.
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It's being worked by the same type of
brush.
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While the stylistic comparison looks
positive, I've hit a roadblock with the
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provenance.
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The auction house who sold a picture to
David tells us they're unable to shed
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any more light on that pine coffin name.
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And usually at this stage, we would
consult the catalogue, the official list
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an artist's works, to see if there is a
record of David's picture.
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But there isn't one for McNicol.
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So we'll need to find clues in
McNichol's life story if we're going to
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chance of connecting her to David's
picture.
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Thankfully, expert help is on hand.
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Professor Samantha Burton from the
University of Southern California is a
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leading authority and the artist's
biographer.
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Ah, Sam, very nice to see you.
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Nice to see you too.
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Sam has agreed to review our evidence
and offer an opinion on David's picture.
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But where do we start?
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So Helen McNichol, it sounds like she
was a fascinating woman. What can you
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me about her?
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She was. So Helen McNichol was from one
of the wealthiest, most prominent
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families in Montreal.
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She was educated at the Art Association
of Montreal, which was one of the most
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prestigious institutions in Canada.
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In 1902, McNichol left Canada for
England, where she studied at one of the
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progressive schools renowned for its
equal treatment of women.
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She continued her art education at the
Slade in London. She travelled a lot,
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both back and forth between London and
Canada, and also from London to
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in Europe.
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McNichol's travels put her in direct
contact with Impressionism, which more
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30 years after it had exploded on the
art scene in Paris, continued to be
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popular in Europe.
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It was a movement McNichol played an
important part in spreading to Canada,
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where Impressionism was still relatively
unknown.
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It was around this time McNichol met the
British artist Dorothea Sharp, who
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became a lifelong friend and companion.
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They met in about 1905, 1906. We know
they lived together in London, traveled
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together, and they painted together.
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They often painted in the same models,
in the same scenes, and they had very,
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very similar styles.
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Not everything was easy for her.
However, one of the most interesting
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about her is that she was deaf.
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She became hard of hearing after about a
scarlet fever when she was just a
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child. And so this must have presented
challenges to her as well. And the fact
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that she was deaf, does that show in
some way the characteristic of her work?
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I think it does. I think first and
foremost, Impressionism is such a
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rich style.
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It's a style that really targets the
senses, right?
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There's often a sense of distance.
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in her work.
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The figures don't look out at the
viewer.
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They seem to be really absorbed in their
own world.
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Painted in an impressionistic style and
depicting figures set apart, David's
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picture fits with McNichol.
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But without Provnos, where do we need to
look for evidence?
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Sam, you're going to be the person at
the end of this whole process that
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whether or not David's picture is or is
not by Helen McNichol.
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What do you need to help convince you
that David has bought a Helen McNichol?
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I would want to see some kind of
evidence in the exhibition records, you
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some kind of connection to a painting
that we know she painted and exhibited
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the time.
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provenance would also be really
important.
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What is the history of the painting?
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Where did it come from?
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If there was any technical evidence that
could support it, that would be useful.
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Well, Sam, I hope we can find some of
that.
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Thank you for taking the time to talk to
me.
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You're very welcome.
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Well, that was a very useful
conversation.
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Sam has given us some clear leads to
follow in our investigation, so the
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provenance technical analysis.
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but also we need to check out her
exhibition history.
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David bought the picture in England, but
for what Sam's saying, we need to look
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at exhibitions not just in England, but
in Canada as well.
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Could there be evidence the picture went
to Canada?
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Was it one of the dozens of paintings
shipped back to the McNichol family from
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her London studio after she died?
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Or did McNicol bring the picture back on
one of her many trips home?
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After several days sailing, McNicol
would have made port here in Quebec
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The city's skyline is dominated by the
Grand Chateau Fontenac Hotel.
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Built in 1893 to emulate a French
castle, I can imagine McNicol staying
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here, especially as her father was vice
-president.
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of the railway company that built it.
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I'm heading to the bar to find out more
from art historian and McNichol scholar
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Julie Nash.
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Could Julie help establish whether
David's picture ever came back to
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When we are looking at a painting
that's...
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recently become known. We often turn to
this memorial exhibition that was hosted
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in 1925, so just about 10 years after
she passed away.
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It was approximately 140 paintings,
mostly from her estate.
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They were owned by her family and some
prominent pieces from Montreal
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or public collections at the time.
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In the catalogue, there are pictures I
recognise, not least Sunny September,
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which I saw in the museum. Is there any
mention of... Women of the Fields in
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this exhibition.
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Unfortunately, there is no Women of the
Fields listed here.
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Well, that's depressing.
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I mean, what are the other
possibilities?
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There are exhibitions that we know she
was a participant in.
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As an artist who had independent
financial means, she was frequently
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paintings back across the Atlantic to be
exhibited in Canada.
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They were annual exhibitions where the
artists would send their most recent,
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their most prominent work that they were
proud of.
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So, we have a few more exhibitions to
check out for a mention of women of the
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field. That reminds me of another
concern I have about David's picture,
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title itself.
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Could women of the fields be a red
herring?
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When this came up for sale, the artist's
name was misspelt, her death date was
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wrong. Why shouldn't the title be wrong
as well? Yes, absolutely.
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So does this sound to you like a
McNichol title?
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Entirely. Typically with McNichol, we
see two types of titles. One that speaks
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to her Impressionist style of painting.
So we might see something like sunlight
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on the field, sunshine on the field.
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And then the other type of title tends
to be purely descriptive, sort of in the
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vein of women of the field. So we might
see something like a woman gathering
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fruit or picking apples or something.
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Okay.
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We've got to think Helen McNichol, and
we need a plan.
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What's your suggestion?
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I would suggest that we look through the
exhibitions and related reviews in
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newspapers from the period McNichol was
exhibiting in Canada to see if there's
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anything in there that calls to mind
this image.
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So turning over a lot more stones, it's
possible there may be a title that might
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attach itself to this painting.
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Hopefully so.
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Back in England, I'm looking for clues
to help us find a new title.
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If Women of the Fields is wrong, could
the right title be in the subject of the
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painting?
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It's a rural scene showing women working
the land, but what exactly are they
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doing?
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To try and find out, I've come to one of
the world's great gardens, the Royal
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Horticultural Society's garden at
Wisley.
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Guy Barter is the RHS's chief
horticultural advisor and a sage when it
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answering tough questions about
gardening.
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Can Guy help identify what the women are
doing in David's picture?
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Guy, hello, very nice to see you.
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I wanted to show you this painting that
we're investigating, possibly by an
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artist called Helen McNichol.
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I just wondered what you think...
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these girls, these young women are
doing. They're obviously picking
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but we couldn't quite work it out.
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Yeah, it looks to me like it's what we
call French beans, which are officially
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known as Phaseolus vulgaris, and they
appear to be lying on the ground, so it
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would be dwarf French beans.
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There's all sorts of colours. You can
get purple, speckled, as well as the
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ones. But I've not seen yellow before.
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It's not that uncommon. We found a
packet of seed in the garden centre.
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Oh, yes.
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That is what they look like, isn't it?
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Where would you expect to find beans
like this grown?
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These are the French beans, like a bit
warmer climate than Britain. So I'm
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thinking northern France, Belgium,
something like that.
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Well, that's interesting, because we
know that Helmut Nickel did paint in
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France. And what about the women in the
background?
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Well, that's a real puzzle. They appear
to have something laying on the ground,
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and the woman in the far distance seems
to be raking the stuff up, and the lady
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in the foreground appears to be pulling
something.
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And I'm just wondering if it wasn't
flax.
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Flax was and is quite widely grown in
northern France and Belgium for the
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textile industry.
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So you think this...
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This brown stalker here, this is her
pulling something out.
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Well, it's a fort, if it is flax.
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This painting is called Women of the
Fields. We've no idea, to be honest, if
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it's the right title or not.
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Go on, Guy, take a stab. If you were
going to title this painting, what would
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you call it? Oh, I think I'd call it
something prosaic, like Gathering Beans
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Flax, or The Flax Rakers and Bean
Gatherer, something like that.
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Or you could just call it Midsummer
Harvest, if you want to be poetical.
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Well, it's as good a guess as anyone.
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Guy, thank you so much. My pleasure.
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As the search for a title continues,
I've left Quebec and travelled several
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hundred miles west to Toronto.
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Not long after David bought the picture,
he contacted Heffel Fine Art Auction
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House to enquire about consigning it for
sale.
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A leading Canadian auctioneer, they've
seen and sold a lot of McNichol's work.
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I'm meeting National Director of Sales,
Daniel Gillette.
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Hello. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet
you. At the time, the auction house
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on David's request to sell this picture,
and I'm keen to find out why.
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So, Daniel, as the leading auctioneer
for selling nickel, what do you look for
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when you're trying to authenticate one?
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Well, in every case, we look for typical
styles.
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We look for typical materials.
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We look for provenance and we look for
exhibition history.
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And in the case of David's picture?
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First of all, the title, Women of the
Field, did not correspond to any known
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works in our research to Helen McNichol.
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And the image of the back had no
information as to provenance or
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The original stretcher is missing, and
that is where...
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In many cases, the information that we
would be looking for on the back would
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exist. So if one could find that
information, would you be prepared to
435
00:28:32,270 --> 00:28:37,330
reconsider? We would be very, very happy
to review any information available
436
00:28:37,330 --> 00:28:38,330
that's discovered.
437
00:28:39,470 --> 00:28:45,050
With prices for McNichol's work at an
all -time high, it's more important than
438
00:28:45,050 --> 00:28:47,250
ever to find this missing evidence.
439
00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:52,970
So I'm getting the impression that it's
a good time to discover and sell a
440
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:53,970
McNichol.
441
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:57,310
McNichol's paintings are very rare to
the market.
442
00:28:57,650 --> 00:29:04,430
There are fewer than 300 known
paintings, including watercolors.
443
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:07,950
died so young. Because she died so
young. The Canadian art market is
444
00:29:08,150 --> 00:29:09,630
Yes, I would say the moment is good.
445
00:29:14,250 --> 00:29:18,790
I totally understand where Daniel and
Heffels are coming from. I mean, we knew
446
00:29:18,790 --> 00:29:19,790
this from the outset.
447
00:29:20,150 --> 00:29:25,870
This looks like a McNicol, but it's got
no backstory. It's got no provenance, no
448
00:29:25,870 --> 00:29:26,870
exhibition history.
449
00:29:27,730 --> 00:29:31,590
We've got to find that. We've got to
complete this picture.
450
00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:39,250
While Julie Nash trawls exhibition
history for a title that fits, and with
451
00:29:39,250 --> 00:29:41,230
new leads on the Pine Coffin
provenance...
452
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,020
I'm going back over McNichol's early
career.
453
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,280
During her time at the Slade School of
Fine Art, McNichol would have learnt a
454
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,100
number of drawing and painting
techniques.
455
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Could understanding these better support
the case for McNichol painting David's
456
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,840
picture?
457
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,920
I'm going to art school to find out.
458
00:30:01,860 --> 00:30:05,120
We'll do about another ten minutes
without the dressing gown.
459
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,600
Same drawing, same pose.
460
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,000
I've come to Heatherley School of Fine
Art in Chelsea.
461
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,500
A life class like this is something
McNichol would have done regularly,
462
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:24,300
female and male subjects, a scene in her
early sketches.
463
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,000
Tony Mott is the school's director of
studies.
464
00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:32,420
Well, Tony, thank you for allowing us
into your life drawing class.
465
00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:37,000
We know that Helen McNichol trained in
life drawing. Just watching your
466
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,380
here, would it have been more or less
the same for her?
467
00:30:39,850 --> 00:30:44,230
I think largely yes, but perhaps one
difference is it looks as though the
468
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:45,390
model was minimally covered.
469
00:30:45,890 --> 00:30:49,170
He had modesty pants, doesn't he?
470
00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:56,510
Can Tony help find any clues that could
link David's picture to McNichol's?
471
00:30:57,450 --> 00:30:59,390
This is the picture that we are looking
at.
472
00:31:00,430 --> 00:31:02,970
Do you look at this and think this is
the work of someone who's academically
473
00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:07,010
trained? Oh, definitely, because I can
see they're aware of the way that colour
474
00:31:07,010 --> 00:31:09,930
changes in the distance, so that's
something that they probably would have
475
00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:12,430
taught. As it goes from the green to the
blue?
476
00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:16,650
Yes, and also they're aware of the way
that the marks with their paintbrush
477
00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:21,430
creates a sense of depth, so there are
larger marks in the foreground and
478
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:23,090
smaller marks in the background.
479
00:31:23,710 --> 00:31:27,230
And the other thing that comes across
very well is how they can capture an
480
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:29,370
object like the basket with very few
marks.
481
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:30,900
So they have great facility.
482
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,980
How do you think a picture like this
would have been painted? Do you think
483
00:31:35,980 --> 00:31:38,320
a studio work or outdoors on plein air?
484
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:44,400
I don't think that they had three people
motionless in a field with enough time
485
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,400
to paint this picture.
486
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:49,440
The pose on the left is quite a
difficult one to hold for very long,
487
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,160
over like that. So the chances are it
could have come from a quick drawing and
488
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,880
then elaborated on with paint.
489
00:31:55,340 --> 00:31:58,560
So you think this is something that was
probably done in the studio?
490
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,520
But with inspiration taken from
outdoors, figures that the artist may
491
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,640
quickly sketched? Yes, I think so.
492
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:10,100
McNichol's sketchbooks include many
studies of people from day to day life.
493
00:32:11,660 --> 00:32:15,320
None that we found match exactly with
the characters in David's picture.
494
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:19,760
But does Tony see any similarity in
these preparatory sketches?
495
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,600
One thing I do notice is that she seems
to like drawing the back view of people,
496
00:32:25,740 --> 00:32:27,060
where people are doing something.
497
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,300
I think it's a man with a hoe or
something like that.
498
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:36,280
He's arched over a little bit like this
figure.
499
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,600
There do appear to be similarities
between the hunched -over figures in
500
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,880
picture and the male figures working in
McNichol's sketch.
501
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,060
She obviously liked seeing people...
502
00:32:54,510 --> 00:32:58,590
Doing things. Doing real things, and
often in difficult poses.
503
00:32:58,910 --> 00:33:00,810
Yeah. Well, that is good to hear.
504
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:09,390
It feels like everything stylistically
is adding up to McNicol.
505
00:33:10,050 --> 00:33:12,950
But does David's picture stand up to
scientific scrutiny?
506
00:33:15,550 --> 00:33:18,670
The painting has arrived at the
Courtauld Institute of Art.
507
00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:23,080
where Head of Conservation Professor
Aviva Burnstock has been subjecting it
508
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,220
forensic examination.
509
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:32,180
She's getting to grips with the
materials and techniques that the artist
510
00:33:32,180 --> 00:33:33,360
create David's picture.
511
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Could Aviva's findings help establish
whether McNicol painted it?
512
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:42,040
We're on our way to hear Aviva's
assessment.
513
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,800
Hi Aviva. Hi.
514
00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:51,360
This is David, the owner of the
painting. Hi Aviva. Lovely to meet you.
515
00:33:51,620 --> 00:33:54,300
And it's a while since we've seen your
picture. It's wonderful, isn't it, in
516
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:55,199
that light?
517
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,240
Yeah, it's nice to see it in raking
light. You can look at the condition of
518
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,460
picture and where the re -stretching has
happened.
519
00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:05,500
With intense light from the side, you
can see the crease where the canvas was
520
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:07,720
folded over the smaller supporting
frame.
521
00:34:08,940 --> 00:34:12,040
Something that David tried to correct
when he re -stretched it.
522
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,860
All the other edges I managed to flatten
out with some catalogs on. But for some
523
00:34:18,860 --> 00:34:20,600
reason that one didn't want to flatten.
524
00:34:20,860 --> 00:34:22,340
You put catalogs on top of it?
525
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,600
Yeah, it's just solid auction catalogs.
I've got thousands of them.
526
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,639
They're very good for weight.
527
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,219
I'm not sure if that's advised
technique. No, it's not, no.
528
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,040
I was wondering when you restretched the
painting onto the modern stretcher,
529
00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:39,719
whether you noticed these vertical marks
which might indicate that it had been
530
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,780
rolled at some point. I think you're
right, yes.
531
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:49,000
We know that McNichol transported
canvases to and from Canada.
532
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,900
Rolling a number of them together might
have been more practical on a long
533
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:53,900
journey.
534
00:34:54,139 --> 00:34:57,180
So could these marks have been caused by
McNichol herself?
535
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,060
It's a tantalising thought.
536
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:05,420
But I'm hoping comparison with a genuine
McNichol in Canada can link David's
537
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:07,660
picture more directly to the artist.
538
00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:14,140
I've driven an hour south -west of
Toronto.
539
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,920
to the art gallery of Hamilton to see
McNichol's The Apple Gatherer.
540
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,100
Depicting a young woman harvesting fruit
that's also stylistically similar, I'm
541
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:29,460
looking for other parallels to David's
picture.
542
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,740
The gallery has agreed to have The Apple
Gatherer analysed by a team of
543
00:35:34,740 --> 00:35:37,400
conservators from Toronto Art
Restoration.
544
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:45,570
I'm hoping science can reveal more, and
sampling this genuine work will enable
545
00:35:45,570 --> 00:35:50,950
us to understand McNichol's working
methods and uncover any idiosyncrasies.
546
00:35:51,570 --> 00:35:56,010
I'm meeting head conservator Alicia
Coutts to hear what they've found.
547
00:35:57,550 --> 00:36:01,790
So what observations have you made about
this canvas that might help us?
548
00:36:02,330 --> 00:36:05,310
Well, the artist might have prepared the
canvas herself.
549
00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:08,730
or she might have had a commercially
primed canvas.
550
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:13,910
But either way, it's been primed all the
way to the edge, and then it's been cut
551
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:19,130
before she starts painting on it, rather
than stretching the canvas and priming
552
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:21,650
it. We measured the thread count.
553
00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:26,150
We're looking at 8 vertical by 10
horizontal.
554
00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:33,110
Those are the threads that make up the
canvas per centimetre square. This
555
00:36:33,110 --> 00:36:37,120
detail... is something we can use to
compare with David's picture.
556
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,880
Okay, so what about the paint itself?
Because, you know, Nicole seems very
557
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,820
conspicuous in the thickness and clarity
of her paint.
558
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,120
Well, one thing that we've been looking
at with our UV light is these hot pinks
559
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,120
that are coming up in different areas,
not just in the face.
560
00:36:56,970 --> 00:37:01,710
but in kind of localized areas
throughout the impasto as well. Yeah,
561
00:37:01,830 --> 00:37:07,630
Can you see them? They really shine out.
They do. That fluorescing hot pink is
562
00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:10,390
significant of a red lake pigment.
563
00:37:10,650 --> 00:37:14,070
A red lake pigment. A red lake pigment.
Which is what exactly?
564
00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:20,350
It's a transparent pigment. So normally
artists are going to use red lakes.
565
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:26,630
um in glazes and you use it to build up
luminosity in the paint in some way okay
566
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:32,970
so it it it lies on the surface exactly
but the way that mcnichol has
567
00:37:32,970 --> 00:37:39,830
used it in this case is quite
unconventional yes she is using it that
568
00:37:39,830 --> 00:37:45,270
to warm some of her highlights and some
of her shadows but in other areas the
569
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:48,550
red light pigment is mixed in right with
the other colors
570
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:57,250
McNicol has used the Red Lake pigment in
a traditional manner as a glaze in the
571
00:37:57,250 --> 00:38:03,230
face and hands to give them a rosy glow,
but more unusually, also mixed it with
572
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:06,870
other colours, like in the patch of
ground beneath the tree.
573
00:38:07,330 --> 00:38:11,730
It is a unique trait of this artist, so
I'd say that if you were looking at
574
00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:16,130
other paintings, I think it is something
that she did.
575
00:38:19,290 --> 00:38:20,290
Back in London.
576
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:22,980
Aviva has received this vital new
information.
577
00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:28,840
Does David's picture have
characteristics that match the apple
578
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:35,480
So in terms of the canvas, the warp and
weft of it, how does that compare to a
579
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,280
known Helen McNichol? Interestingly,
it's exactly the same as the canvas
580
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,980
produced. Yeah, 8 by 10 warp and weft. I
like the apple.
581
00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:49,360
It's commercially primed canvas that
would have been bought off a roll. So it
582
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,620
quite interesting that two paintings
have the same canvas weave.
583
00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:58,920
Could David's painting have come from
the same cut of canvas as the apple
584
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:59,920
gatherer?
585
00:39:00,220 --> 00:39:01,720
An intriguing thought.
586
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,880
But Aviva has something even more
illuminating to reveal under ultraviolet
587
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,880
light.
588
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:12,260
You can see bright pink.
589
00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:13,780
Fluorescent areas.
590
00:39:14,020 --> 00:39:17,800
That's almost day glow, though, isn't
it? Really bright fluorescent, so it's
591
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,080
some kind of organic lake pigment. And
you can see it in the flesh paint in
592
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,500
particular and the shadows. It's really
electric.
593
00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:27,300
Certainly other artists will have used
the pigment. It was probably available
594
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:31,060
commercially. But to use it specifically
like this would be quite unusual.
595
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,060
For the flesh paint, but also other
areas and highlights in the composition,
596
00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:38,880
the background and the mid -ground, this
is quite specific.
597
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,900
So when it comes to this... lake
pigment.
598
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,740
How does that compare with the picture
in Canada?
599
00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:49,720
Well, the comparable painting in Canada,
you can see very similar use of this
600
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:52,600
brightly fluorescing pink lake pigment.
601
00:39:53,020 --> 00:39:55,720
So that is certainly looking very
promising.
602
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,460
Can I sit down for a minute?
603
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,240
Well, that was so encouraging.
604
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,960
The technical analysis has really come
up trumps, I think, for David's picture.
605
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:10,360
The canvas has exactly the same weave.
606
00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:16,560
And then the use of the red lake
pigment. I mean, that is idiosyncratic.
607
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,538
unusual.
608
00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:23,100
But crucially, it's the same pigment
used in the same way on a known Helen
609
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:24,940
McNichol, the apple gatherer.
610
00:40:25,580 --> 00:40:28,560
It's not conclusive proof, but it looks
really good.
611
00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:35,710
Back in Canada, whispers that we might
be investigating a potential Helen
612
00:40:35,710 --> 00:40:37,170
McNichol have spread.
613
00:40:37,690 --> 00:40:42,050
The billionaire collector, Pierre
Lassonde, whose collection I saw in
614
00:40:42,350 --> 00:40:44,930
wants to know more about David's
picture.
615
00:40:45,730 --> 00:40:49,130
He's requested we meet at his home in
Toronto.
616
00:40:49,630 --> 00:40:52,850
Well, well, well. So glad to meet you.
Me too.
617
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:54,970
Yes, please, come on in.
618
00:40:56,590 --> 00:41:02,270
Pierre has the largest private
collection of McNichols in the world,
619
00:41:02,270 --> 00:41:06,630
one of her most celebrated works, The
Chintz Sofa.
620
00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:13,830
He paid 888 ,000 Canadian dollars, over
half a million pounds.
621
00:41:17,010 --> 00:41:23,970
So, Pierre, this, am I right in
thinking, is the record price for a
622
00:41:23,970 --> 00:41:25,390
by McNichol? Yeah, it is.
623
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,940
It is, and I'm the fortunate individual
who paid it.
624
00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:34,600
Along with the rest of Pierre's
collection, the chintz sofa will soon be
625
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,160
to Quebec as part of the upcoming major
McNicol exhibition.
626
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:45,000
And Pierre has a plan for the
collection's long -term future, too.
627
00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:50,160
I have more McNicol than all of the
museum in the world.
628
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,360
Think about this, OK? Like, does that
make sense?
629
00:41:53,680 --> 00:42:00,160
No. This collection should be in the
public world, and it will be
630
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,240
gifted at some point. So that's more
than likely where it's going to end up.
631
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:09,800
So as the world's biggest collector of
nickel, you've obviously seen a lot.
632
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,600
Would you mind if we showed you ours?
633
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,460
I would love to see it.
634
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,300
So, first response.
635
00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:19,660
Wow.
636
00:42:19,940 --> 00:42:20,940
Wow.
637
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,320
Composition.
638
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:31,110
Incredible. The colors, that purple,
that's so much mechanical, that purple
639
00:42:31,110 --> 00:42:32,110
right here.
640
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:35,590
Everything speaks mechanical here.
Everything.
641
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:38,110
Beautiful. It's absolutely gorgeous.
642
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:41,210
Well, you're speaking, I have to say,
with great conviction because we have
643
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:42,029
to prove it.
644
00:42:42,030 --> 00:42:47,490
So I'm going to ask you directly, would
you, if all the evidence was there in
645
00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:49,730
place, wish to add this to your
collection?
646
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:56,310
Without a doubt.
647
00:42:56,430 --> 00:42:57,970
Without a doubt, absolutely.
648
00:42:58,630 --> 00:43:05,370
But I would have, number one, to see it,
and number two, get a provenance.
649
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:07,270
Like, I want to know where it came from,
okay?
650
00:43:07,830 --> 00:43:11,690
And then number three, you know, we'd
have to talk Turkey, we'd have to talk
651
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:12,690
price.
652
00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:15,330
Okay, well, that's given us a lot to
think about.
653
00:43:15,870 --> 00:43:20,370
Of course, it does occur to me that
David's discovery could end up as part
654
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:25,310
The National Collection of Canada, if
indeed you gift your collection by the
655
00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:26,310
sounds of it you intend.
656
00:43:26,430 --> 00:43:28,770
Yeah, more than likely, I would say.
657
00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:35,190
Well, it's going to make our job all the
more pressing to try and prove what
658
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:37,430
this was called, where it might have
been.
659
00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:39,330
Good. Terrific.
660
00:43:41,530 --> 00:43:43,310
This is a fir.
661
00:43:43,630 --> 00:43:47,850
Before we even got to the finishing
line, there is a buyer waiting in the
662
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:52,490
But like any collector, He wants to know
where David's picture came from.
663
00:43:53,090 --> 00:43:56,750
Without provenance, David may struggle
to sell it.
664
00:43:58,810 --> 00:44:01,990
Back from Canada, I'm keen to catch up
with Fiona.
665
00:44:04,690 --> 00:44:09,330
So it really feels we're getting warmer,
but we're still lacking documented
666
00:44:09,330 --> 00:44:13,790
history. Well, remember that name, I'm
sure you've not forgotten it, Pine
667
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:15,290
Coffin, that we saw in the provenance?
668
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:19,170
Well, no -one from the family has any
recollection of the painting.
669
00:44:19,660 --> 00:44:23,880
But there was an artist in the family
who was painting around the same time as
670
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,980
Helen Mitnickle. She was called Norma.
She lived in Exeter. She exhibited in
671
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:31,520
London. She might have known Helen
Mitnickle, perhaps.
672
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:37,240
I mean, given how unusual that name,
Pine Coffin, is, it must be worth
673
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:40,980
out. And then the name of the painting,
remember?
674
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,560
Women of the Field.
675
00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:48,280
Now, there's no record of Helen
Mitnickle having painted a picture
676
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,280
of the Field.
677
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,180
I mean, what do we think is going on in
this picture?
678
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,320
Well, I mean, harvesting, picking
something.
679
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,660
Picking something. Well, that's the
thing. So having spoken to someone who
680
00:44:59,660 --> 00:45:05,280
about plants, yellow French beans,
that's the best guess.
681
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,780
And in fact, look, I've got from here,
there's a seed packet with yellow French
682
00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:09,499
beans in.
683
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:10,319
And do you see?
684
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,620
They do look just like that.
685
00:45:11,860 --> 00:45:17,540
I can see exactly what you mean. You
know, there's very clear swipes of...
686
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:18,960
Bright pigment.
687
00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:20,180
I mean, that's brilliant.
688
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,660
Have you spilt the beans, as it were, to
Julie Nash in Canada?
689
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,580
Like what you did there? Well, yes. We
have spoken to Julie Nash, and she had a
690
00:45:27,580 --> 00:45:32,300
look through Helen McNichol records, and
she did have a painting called The Bean
691
00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:33,300
Harvest.
692
00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:40,480
And it was exhibited in Canada five
times between 1912 and
693
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,600
1913.
694
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:45,220
But no -one knows where it is now.
695
00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:48,100
I mean, this is potentially fantastic.
696
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,360
But then how does a picture that is
exhibited within an inch of its life in
697
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,180
Canada then end up over here?
698
00:45:55,700 --> 00:46:00,200
Well, we found out after a bit of
digging that Helen McNichol did exhibit
699
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,820
England just a few months before her
death in 1915.
700
00:46:04,060 --> 00:46:07,980
And the painting she exhibited was The
Bean Harvest.
701
00:46:08,740 --> 00:46:10,800
And where was it exhibited?
702
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,140
Just up the road at the Royal Academy.
703
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:15,200
Which is where we need to go next.
704
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:24,960
In January 1915, the Royal Academy
staged the War Relief Exhibition.
705
00:46:25,260 --> 00:46:29,960
It was held a few months into the First
World War to raise money for the Red
706
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,040
Cross and St John Ambulance Society.
707
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:36,820
It had royal patronage, and there were
over 800 exhibits.
708
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:43,720
But crucially for us, it included one
submission from Helen McNichol, the Bean
709
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:44,720
Harvest.
710
00:46:46,030 --> 00:46:51,030
It was one of the last paintings
McNichol exhibited before her untimely
711
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:56,010
from diabetes in June of the same year.
By then, she'd amassed an impressive
712
00:46:56,010 --> 00:47:00,230
exhibition record of more than 70 works
in Britain and Canada.
713
00:47:01,630 --> 00:47:07,090
The question is, is the bean harvest and
David's picture one and the same?
714
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:13,670
So, David, this is the exhibition
catalogue, War Relief Exhibition.
715
00:47:14,090 --> 00:47:17,850
And what I'd like you to do is turn to
page 17.
716
00:47:21,690 --> 00:47:26,750
And then I want you to look at 2, 4, 1.
717
00:47:27,390 --> 00:47:28,690
Oh, my God, yes.
718
00:47:30,690 --> 00:47:33,230
The bean harvest, that works very well.
719
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:35,770
Helen McNichol, RBA.
720
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:40,850
A painting of this subject is not yet
accounted for.
721
00:47:41,230 --> 00:47:46,130
So there's a nice little sort of bean
-shaped hole that possibly yours could
722
00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:48,050
into. Yeah, it would be nice.
723
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:54,710
The bean harvest must have been a
special painting for McNicol, exhibited
724
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:59,790
times in Canada, then shipped over to
England to exhibit here at this
725
00:47:59,790 --> 00:48:05,390
exhibition. But unfortunately, this
catalogue has no photographs or
726
00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:06,390
of the exhibits.
727
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,060
so we can't be 100 % sure that it is
David's picture.
728
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,940
But a tantalising link to another artist
has been found by the librarians here.
729
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,020
They've given me a catalogue from 1914.
730
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:27,840
I would like you just to turn your eye
to a
731
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,120
reference to... Oh, yes, yes.
732
00:48:32,460 --> 00:48:35,880
N .P. Coffin, The Call of the Wild.
733
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:43,570
Norma Pinecoffin was an artist in the
early years of the 20th century.
734
00:48:43,730 --> 00:48:50,370
So we have a woman artist exhibiting
only a few months before
735
00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:54,610
Helen McNicol exhibited at this same
revered institution.
736
00:48:56,410 --> 00:49:01,850
It's tempting to imagine that Helen
McNicol and Norma Pinecoffin attended
737
00:49:01,850 --> 00:49:04,550
of these exhibitions, that they met...
738
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:09,190
and even that the bean harvest passed
from one to the other.
739
00:49:09,810 --> 00:49:15,450
This could be the final missing link
connecting David's picture to the pine
740
00:49:15,450 --> 00:49:16,550
coffin provenance.
741
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:21,950
So how are you feeling about the chances
of the painting now? I think you've
742
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:27,110
done wonderful. I mean, really, what you
found, I think there's hope there.
743
00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:28,590
I really do.
744
00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:37,750
Following this latest discovery, we're
feeling pretty confident that David's
745
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:41,210
picture is the missing McNicol exhibited
as the bean harvest.
746
00:49:45,650 --> 00:49:50,730
With no single authority recognised to
authenticate McNicol, we've asked
747
00:49:50,730 --> 00:49:54,190
Professor Samantha Burton for an expert
opinion based on professional
748
00:49:54,190 --> 00:49:57,350
photographs and our dossier of evidence.
749
00:50:00,410 --> 00:50:02,190
A few days later...
750
00:50:02,620 --> 00:50:03,840
We received a reply.
751
00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:06,920
I think we're in a really strong
position.
752
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,180
The picture looks like a McNicol.
Everyone agrees.
753
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,820
The canvas maps is that of a known
McNicol.
754
00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:21,160
And that idiosyncratic use of Red Lake
pigment is exactly the same.
755
00:50:22,540 --> 00:50:27,940
We have come across the title of a lost
picture that fits. The Bean Harvest.
756
00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:35,200
And not only that, but a richly
exhibited work in Canada and up the road
757
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,200
the Royal Academy.
758
00:50:36,260 --> 00:50:41,660
We may also have made sense of that pine
coffin provenance.
759
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,360
The question is, is it enough to swing
it?
760
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,560
as a genuine McNichol.
761
00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:02,140
Hello, David.
762
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,480
Hi there.
763
00:51:03,580 --> 00:51:04,580
Lovely to meet you again.
764
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,160
Nice to see you.
765
00:51:06,620 --> 00:51:09,740
And nice to see your painting. Yeah,
lovely.
766
00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:11,740
So this is it.
767
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,180
I've got the verdict here.
768
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,520
I'm frightened of it, honestly.
769
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:18,560
There's quite a lot riding on it.
770
00:51:19,260 --> 00:51:20,260
Yeah, absolutely.
771
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,840
It's been a little while since we
started this investigation.
772
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,460
And I would feel bad asking you this at
this point.
773
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,880
If this is by Helen McNichol, what kind
of value are we talking about?
774
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:37,240
So in the case of Helen McNichol, we're
dealing with a rare artist.
775
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:43,320
There are about 300 works recorded by
her. And if you compare that to one of
776
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,680
fathers of Impressionism, like Monet,
for whom there are 2 ,000 works, you
777
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,480
realise what a key thing it is to be
able to potentially add another. It
778
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,000
also be the only painting which she
exhibited.
779
00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:57,250
up the road at the Royal Academy.
780
00:51:57,710 --> 00:52:04,270
Yes. I think we could be talking about a
valuation of £300 ,000 and some.
781
00:52:05,290 --> 00:52:08,610
But I've got to add, though, of course,
if it's not, what did you pay for it?
782
00:52:09,450 --> 00:52:10,450
£2 ,500.
783
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:13,150
You may be lucky and get your money
back.
784
00:52:13,770 --> 00:52:16,250
Shall I open this? OK.
785
00:52:18,070 --> 00:52:19,710
OK, here we go. Here we go.
786
00:52:47,610 --> 00:52:49,010
Emotional.
787
00:52:53,540 --> 00:52:57,700
Oh, you're making a tear to my eye now
as well, my goodness. Well done, well
788
00:52:57,700 --> 00:53:00,460
done, well done. So grateful for all
your work.
789
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:03,240
Wonderful.
790
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,940
Not only does Sam believe that David's
picture is by Helen McNichol, but she
791
00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:11,640
agrees it probably is the missing bean
harvest.
792
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:16,340
The subject matters and the style of the
painting looks very similar to others
793
00:53:16,340 --> 00:53:18,360
he created at this stage of her career.
794
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:19,840
Just wonderful.
795
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:21,640
To add.
796
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,060
something through our work.
797
00:53:23,580 --> 00:53:24,860
How thrilled are you?
798
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:30,640
Very.
799
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,500
Tears of happiness, I hope.
800
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:33,900
Absolutely.
801
00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:40,060
What do you want to happen to this
painting? When we met you first, you
802
00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:41,160
thought you'd sell it.
803
00:53:41,580 --> 00:53:45,200
I'm thinking, yes, I need to sell it.
804
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,540
I'm negotiating two or three flights of
stairs at the moment.
805
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:50,680
Yes, I'm not...
806
00:53:51,730 --> 00:53:52,970
Not in the best of health.
807
00:53:53,590 --> 00:53:57,530
So this might facilitate you buying
something else? Hopefully, yeah.
808
00:53:57,870 --> 00:53:59,670
Somewhere on one level. On one level.
809
00:54:00,450 --> 00:54:03,250
So it really is life -changing then? It
is, absolutely, yes.
810
00:54:11,090 --> 00:54:14,710
That life -changing moment may be
getting closer.
811
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:24,290
The billionaire collector Pierre
Lassonde has flown in from Toronto.
812
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:29,770
He's come to see David's picture in
person.
813
00:54:33,730 --> 00:54:37,010
Well, this is a first for us. We have an
owner who wants to sell a painting and
814
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:42,190
we have a potential buyer coming all the
way over from Canada to see it for
815
00:54:42,190 --> 00:54:44,690
himself. I mean, it's about as exciting
as it gets.
816
00:54:47,010 --> 00:54:51,280
Having met Pierre, he's a... A serious
collector, as serious as you get.
817
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,060
And he likes his McNichols.
818
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,460
It's going to be fascinating to see what
happens.
819
00:55:01,940 --> 00:55:06,620
If Pierre likes what he sees, will he
make David an offer he can't refuse?
820
00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:16,700
David is on his way back to the gallery
to hear Pierre's thoughts.
821
00:55:20,490 --> 00:55:21,750
Hello, David. Hello there.
822
00:55:22,070 --> 00:55:24,090
David, could I introduce Pierre Lafonte?
823
00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:26,950
It's very nice to meet you. Very nice to
meet you.
824
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:29,370
You're the man of the hour.
825
00:55:31,930 --> 00:55:37,050
So you saw an image of it with Philip,
and now you're seeing it in the flesh. I
826
00:55:37,050 --> 00:55:38,050
mean, what do you think about it?
827
00:55:40,490 --> 00:55:43,690
But, you know, she's done it again. It's
beautiful.
828
00:55:43,950 --> 00:55:45,290
It really is magnificent.
829
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:51,730
So as the biggest collector of nickel,
how do you rate this?
830
00:55:52,790 --> 00:55:57,050
To be very candid, I would put it at
like a 9 out of 10.
831
00:55:57,670 --> 00:56:01,690
You've given it a 9 out of 10. That
sounds like a high score, wouldn't you
832
00:56:01,710 --> 00:56:02,950
David? It sounds like it.
833
00:56:04,830 --> 00:56:05,830
You know what?
834
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:09,370
For a painting that's been missing for
110 years, I think it's fantastic.
835
00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:13,530
I think your discovery was absolutely,
you know, like, fantastic.
836
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,160
wouldn't mind adding one more piece to
my collection.
837
00:56:18,220 --> 00:56:20,160
They're all going to end up in a museum
anyway.
838
00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:24,300
I mean, you know, like we're only the
temporary guardian of these
839
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,140
Well, look, it sounds to me like you
need to have a private conversation away
840
00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:29,140
from the cameras.
841
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,660
Whatever you decide, I'm glad that
you've met and let us know what the
842
00:56:33,660 --> 00:56:35,000
is. Okay, will do.
843
00:56:35,260 --> 00:56:36,620
Okay, thank you so much.
844
00:56:40,220 --> 00:56:41,340
Pierre made an offer.
845
00:56:41,950 --> 00:56:44,630
And David is now considering his
options.
846
00:56:47,350 --> 00:56:52,190
There isn't a world in which former
small -time art dealer David from
847
00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:58,410
would meet billionaire art collector
Pierre Lassonde from Canada were it not
848
00:56:58,410 --> 00:57:01,970
this painting and their mutual love of
Helen McNicol.
849
00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:03,590
There's clearly more to come.
850
00:57:03,970 --> 00:57:09,070
I'm just so happy for David. He went in
there with his...
851
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,280
£2 ,500,
852
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,900
you know, big bet, and has discovered a
treasure. It just shows it's still
853
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:16,900
possible.
854
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:23,940
If you think you have an undiscovered
masterpiece or other precious object,
855
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:29,120
contact us at bbc .co .uk slash sake or
fortune.
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