Original subtitles

This is a tape for Siren and Anthony's first session.

Oh, come in.

Hello.

Hi.

And you must be Siren.

Siren, yes, and what's that son Anthony?

And Anthony.

It was very nice to meet both of you.

Nice to meet you.

Why don't you have a seat?

Wonderful.

Go ahead, sit down, honey.

So, my name is Dr. Penny Barber.

I have been doing family therapy for the last 12 years.

It's what I'm most passionate about.

I don't have a huge practice, but I've been doing it for a while.

I just kind of like to keep my groups a little bit smaller.

I practice CBT.

Yeah, I did my residency at Johns Hopkins, and yeah, that's about me.

I hope neither one of you mind, but I like to keep digital files of my sessions

just so that I can look back and remember everything exactly.

You know, my shorthand isn't.

Okay.

I'm okay with that for us.

That's fine.

You're fine.

Okay.

All right.

You know, I don't share it around with anyone.

It's just for me and for my records.

But yeah, would you care to introduce yourselves

and tell me a little bit about yourselves?

Well, again, I'm Siren, and then my handsome, handsome son, Anthony.

I actually married his dad when he was just a little baby.

I watched him grow up and turn into this handsome, handsome young man,

and his dad left, and he kind of became the man of the house, I guess you would say.

Okay.

We share everything, don't we, honey?

Yeah.

We watch TV together, and we spend almost all the time together.

We get dressed together, and you know, he's such a sweetheart.

He actually helps shave my legs when we're showering.

Okay.

And then, oh, just recently, actually, which is why I called you,

he started having erections.

And I have absolutely no idea why.

It's completely inappropriate that he is having this problem.

So I wanted to come in and talk to you and get him back to normal.

Okay.

So, Anthony, how do you feel about that?

Why would you say that you're here today?

I'm not really sure.

I don't really see anything wrong with it.

She's really shy.

This is going to make me really, really uncomfortable.

It's okay, honey.

Do you feel that way, Anthony?

Are you shy?

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

But so how do you feel about, you know, being here?

You said you feel like it's not a problem, but would you agree that your mom's

description of your lifestyle is accurate?

Yeah.

And that you've been getting erections during, how long has it been?

It's been bothering him, too, so.

Has it been bothering you, Anthony?

A little.

A little?

Okay.

How often do you two shower and dress together in the lake shading?

Is this every day?

Every day.

Every day.

Absolutely.

Ever since he was little, huh?

Yeah.

See?

They really love each other.

He's my sweet boy.

Okay.

And so father's been gone for a bit.

And let's talk about that phrase, man of the house.

Man of the house.

How does that make you feel, Anthony?

Oh, he's so proud.

He loves being called the man of the house.

Do you want to tell me how you feel, Anthony?

Let's try just a little exercise where if I give you a prompt or ask a question,

let's have Anthony answer first, and then Siren will ask you the same thing.

Okay.

So, Anthony, how do you feel about your mom calling you the man of the house?

It's nice.

You know, like, we're very close to each other, and I really enjoy helping her out

and doing fun activities with her.

Fun activities?

Okay.

All right.

Let's talk about...

Do you remember the movie last night?

Yeah.

That was so much fun.

He cuddled in the back seats.

When did you two watch last night?

Oh, we went and saw this cute little rom-com that was...

Okay.

It was just so cute.

It was kind of like a mother-son date night kind of thing.

Yeah.

It was so heartwarming.

Okay.

Let's talk here about this word normal.

So, we're talking about getting back to normal.

Just knowing just what the situation is that you find yourself in,

it's not actually unusual.

You know, it might be uncommon, but I would say that it's still, you know, very...

It happens a lot.

It happens.

It might not happen to every single family, but it's not unheard of.

So, I don't know that I was...

It's just like you.

So, I do like to avoid using that word normal instead focusing on things

because, you know, different things are normal for different people.

It's a very individualized word.

Focusing on whether or not things are pleasurable, joyful,

whether or not there's something that you want to repeat and something like that.

So...

Well, but I want him back to how he was.

These erections are wrong.

I mean, he shouldn't be having these, especially with me.

Well, Anthony, let's try this little exercise again.

What are you thinking about?

This is something that you and Mom can't know because she's not inside of your mind.

What are you thinking about when you get an erection?

You know, it's okay.

You know, it's a very safe space.

Your mom's not going to judge you, right, Simon?

Not at all, no.

That's why we're here.

Get you fixed.

I'm certainly not going to judge you.

I'm sure you're just like listening like as a doctor, you know.

And I love you.

My mom's breasts.

Okay, like specifically?

Just everything.

Okay, but specifically like your mom's breasts, not just breasts in general.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

It's a comfort thing.

It's a comfort thing?

This is a very personal question.

But again, I don't want you to be uncomfortable about it.

How often would you say you're masturbating?

Oh, probably at least 10 times a day, right?

Oh, how did you know that?

Well, we share everything.

I know that's why we're here.

It's like I know about his erections and all of the masturbating.

And that can't be normal or individual.

Maybe it's, you know, it's normal.

Is that normal for you?

Would you say that's normal for you to be masturbating 10 times a day?

And that's accurate?

Okay, 10 times a day.

To completion?

To orgasm?

Most of the time, yeah.

Most of the time, 10 times a day.

10 times a day, okay.

Well, clearly someone has gone through puberty.

Yes, yes.

Okay, 10 times a day.

And when you're doing this, are you thinking about what?

Yes, what are you thinking about, dear?

You're thinking about your mom?

Me?

All right.

Anything specific?

Things that have happened?

Her body?

You mentioned her breasts.

I don't know.

We just have gotten so close over the years that, you know, I don't know.

It's just something I can connect to.

Do you feel guilty about masturbating to your mom?

Sometimes.

Sometimes?

Well, how does that make you feel when you're guilty?

Like, how do you react to that emotion?

I guess I kind of close off a little bit.

I don't know, it's just really awkward to think about.

I try not to focus on it too much.

Have you been sensing that, Siren, that he's been feeling maybe a little bit guilty?

Well, of course.

I mean, I am his stepmom.

I mean, it's like, he shouldn't be doing that with me.

Okay.

So, Siren, how often are you masturbating?

We're not here to discuss my habits.

We're here to help my son out.

It would help me to kind of, you know, see the whole family situation and know a little bit more about your dynamic.

I mean, do you feel comfortable sharing that with me again?

Stay space, no judgment.

I'm a woman too.

Right, it's just a bit odd because, again, we are here for Anthony.

But, yeah, if you must know, I masturbate probably four times, five times a day.

Oh, okay.

All right, and that's typical, like in a week, or sorry, in a day, four or five times.

Yeah, generally.

And what are you generally masturbating to?

I have my imagination.

One thing that I did try to, like, help Anthony was we actually started watching porn together and we would masturbate together.

And that seemed to kind of help.

He seemed a little happier after that.

So I was thinking, okay, maybe this is working.

But then it just kind of added to the problem.

But anyway.

Okay.

So how are you feeling after masturbating?

Are you having any guilt or anxiety?

Not at all.

You know, masturbating is a natural way of life.

It's if you don't have any other avenues.

A woman of my age, I think is perfectly wonderful to, you know, masturbate and watch porn or, you know, think of sexy men that are on TV or whatever.

Okay.

So the issue is that you would like for Anthony's sexuality to be more contained.

You don't mind it being expressed so long as it's in very specific parameters and his biology is maybe expanding beyond those parameters.

I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

And his erections are kind of making me a little uncomfortable.

You know, again, this is something that I deal with all the time.

It's one of the most common issues that I actually deal with.

So even though I wouldn't say that it's, you know, common in the general population, it's not unheard of.

And what has been found generally is that it's better to sort of act on those feelings rather than sort of letting them fester.

So what do you mean?

So what I mean is that for Anthony, this is a biological issue.

This is a hardware issue. It's not a software issue.

And if he's just repressing it and holding it in and only letting it out in this tiny little box, it can manifest later on as issues like extreme anxiety and depression.

We don't want that, do we? No.

Okay.

So I mean, usually what we're going to do is what I would like to do.

What I hope that you're both open to is letting both of you sort of explore those feelings a little bit more and maybe indulge a little bit and just kind of feel more free about your sexual expression.

Both of you.

Okay.

How do you want us to do that?

Well, Anthony, how do you, how do you feel about your stepmother's body?

Go ahead and take a look at her.

You sure?

Okay.

Yeah.

Well, can you be specific?

Yeah.

You like?

Breasts.

You are very fixated on her breasts, which is, which is fine.

I just think it's cute.

Have you gotten to, have you gotten to handle them, maybe in the shower?

Oh, no.

Oh.

No, we've never.

Yeah, we would masturbate side by side, but we've never.

No touching?

No, we've never touched before.

Well, you do.

You wash my back.

So they've been kind of off limits.

Yes.

Yeah.

Well, Siren, how would you feel about letting Anthony maybe explore your breasts a little bit?

Because he certainly seems focused on them.

Well, sure, if it's going to help him in the long run, absolutely.

So Anthony, do you want to maybe use your hands a little bit to explore your mother's breasts?

Go on.

It's all right.

This will help.

I think it'll help.

Oh, and then are you going to continue filming this part of the session?

It's all kept on my encrypted hard drive.

I just need to have like files.

I mean, I can't.

I can only write so much.

Okay.

But it's private.

Okay.

Okay.

Do you like that?

Very nice.

Do you want to talk about what you're feeling, Anthony?

A sense of comfort.

You're being so gentle.

Do you want to take a nap?

He's a gentle boy.

Do you want to try getting it?

Oh, my goodness.

There you go.

Siren, how does that make you feel, the heavier?

It makes me feel good because I'm helping him out.

Can you smell your mother?

Can you smell her skin?

That's good.

How about other parts of her body?

She has very nice legs, which apparently you get to help shave.

Yeah.

He does such a good job with it.

Her legs.

Her ear.

And just her back.

Any parts of her that you find to be really interesting, I want you to go ahead and just

physically kind of assimilate them, just experience them.

Siren, would you stand up for me?

Sure.

Thank you.

Anthony, you can stand up if you need to, or you can just kind of like run your hands.

Over your stepmother.

That's wonderful.

How are you feeling?

What are you thinking right now?

I want to get intimate with her.

You want to get intimate?

What does that mean, should you get intimate?

This is already feeling rather intimate, but you're more specific.

Oh, okay.

That's something that I would say is normal.

Okay.

If it's normal for Anthony.

So how does that make you feel, Siren?

Very surprised.

As I said, this is all new to me.

He's never been this way before.

Well, if the two of you shower together, how would you feel about continuing our session maybe all natural?

Maybe undressing, and again, nothing with the camera.

Oh, no, no, the camera's just for me.

Okay.

Just think of it as like a notepad.

I mean, we've been fine.

We're fine, you know that, right?

Yeah, we're fine.

Okay.

Do you want to, Anthony, why don't you undress your mom?

That would be nice.

There you go.

You always needed some help.

Siren, do you want to?

Oh.

Oh?

Look at you, something's coming out of his shell.

How are you feeling about him being more forward with you?

I'm very shocked.

I'm usually the one that's taking care of you and not the other way around.

It's kind of nice to see.

So I take it you want this off.

There you go.

Can you describe your mother's breaths to me, like physically and emotionally as well?

They're really nice and voluptuous.

Voluptuous?

Good work.

Looks like your schooling is working.

Looks like someone maybe has...

I am enjoying the touch, yes.

A little bit.

See, he...

Okay, that's fine.

Just kind of like go with it.

We're going to get rid of all these restrictions.

If you feel tight or if you feel nervous or anything, just take a really deep breath.

Try to get it all out.

Now, Anthony, would you like to be undressed maybe as well?

Yeah.

Let me do that for you.

There.

Kick off those sneakers.

Look how strong it fits.

So Anthony, you've kind of been experiencing your mom very much to touch and you've gotten more visual.

You've inhaled her scent.

Would you like to maybe taste her, experience her on that level?

Yeah.

Siren, how do you feel about that? Is that acceptable?

Sure. I think that'll be okay.

I noticed you two had just like such a cute little kind of kiss.

Well, I do. I love my boy.

And I will do anything for him.

And if this includes, you know, going through the session and having him taste me, I think that'd be a good idea.

You do too, don't you?

I think so.

Okay.

Let me just get your hairs, okay?

Yeah.

Anthony, where would you like to start? Where would be your favorite place to start tasting your mother?

Maybe down there?

Do you want to ask her permission? I've been doing some of that work for you.

Yes, you can.

Okay, I'll do anything for you.

There we go.

Let me just make them.

Take those off too.

Great.

Take a seat, Siren.

Maybe just relax.

Focus on that nice, slow breathing.

Here we go.

Anthony, have you forgotten to just like look at your mother's vulva and vagina before?

You have?

Yeah, they were showered.

She was concentrating on my legs.

Take a nice deep inhale.

Very good.

Oh.

You just got in there.

I'm so proud of this initiative. This is amazing.

You're both making wonderful projects.

It looks very nice.

I just like to think, facilitate everything, if that's all right with both of you.

Yeah, it's wonderful.

Yeah, it's good.

That feels really good, Anthony.

How do you feel about this, Siren?

The session maybe hasn't gone exactly as you.

No, it really hasn't.

There have been a lot of surprises, and I'm feeling much more relaxed.

I'm glad. I really would like to help both of you open up.

I would like to help both of you release all of these arbitrary restrictions and just indulge.

And just welcome all this.

There you go.

I don't want anyone to feel guilty or ashamed or not normal.

All those restrictions.

I'm sorry.

I'm just noticing we have exactly the same stockings on.

Women love amazing taste.

There we go.

Can I show you something, Anthony?

Just a little experiment.

You're doing a lot of licking. I'm sure that feels wonderful.

Let's just get you...

Let's see if you can get your tongue right in the side of there.

Do you think you can do that?

It's a little tricky.

Good boy.

Just deep inside of your nose.

Nice trick.

Good boy.

Can you show your mother how she tastes?

I'm a little surprised that you went right for her.

Right for her vagina and blood.

I guess that's what he wanted.

Apparently, you've been talking about breasts before,

but apparently there was more to it.

Is this what you were thinking of?

Yeah, I just didn't...

I'm not most nervous about being forward about it.

It just took a little warm up.

How do you feel now that you've done it?

Nice.

Nice, it's really running.

It's fun. You can certainly keep doing it.

It's fun.

Is there anything else that you would like to try?

That you can cross this bridge?

I'd really like to see it.

Oh really? That's a very specific pitch.

How do you feel about that?

I'm for it.

You're with me, I know my son.

You can explore as much of your mother's body as you'd like.

I think it's good for you to ask her permission first, specifically.

But given that, I think she's probably in a mood to say yes.

Yes, Anthony, you can explore.

How do you feel about turning over?

Hands down.

There you go.

That's sort of what I had in mind.

Oh, hello.

Go ahead and say.

Yes, we need to...

Yes.

I could not have guessed that you were ready for that.

Well, nudity has never been a problem in our house.

But this...

Sure.

That's totally fine, especially if he's asked you.

He's being more forward about it.

Anthony, can you describe what your mother's doing to you?

Just say it out loud.

She's sucking on me too.

Uh huh.

She's not sucking at the moment.

What is she doing?

Kissing you.

There you go.

Wow, sucking.

Is anyone having any negative feelings or is it more positive right now?

It's positive.

Siren, do you want to tell me what you think of him?

Oh my goodness, his penis is amazing.

It is very pretty.

It is.

Nice width to it.

Perfect length.

It's amazing balls down here.

Would you mind?

I'm not going to leave Mom asking.

No, that's wonderful.

We're practicing respecting his agency.

Right.

This is really nice.

This is really nice.

This is a great first session.

I'm so excited to be a part of it, to be able to take this journey with both of you.

Uh huh.

Hi there.

There he is.

Oh, I'm just going to go get this.

Watch that.

You share him.

Wait a minute, Mom.

Oh yeah, do my gas.

Yeah.

Okay.

How does it feel to have someone besides your mom touching you?

That's interesting.

Yeah, it's different.

It's different.

I think that having your mom here at least is a nice little tradition.

You know, you can trust.

Yeah.

He's got a nice penis.

Oh, wow.

There he is.

Okay.

Your breaths are bigger than mine, but we do have a palpable network.

We do.

There he is.

I'm going to get you a nice jelly for you.

He's very into it, isn't he?

He must be a very attractive boy.

She's a jelly, I think.

I'd love it if you could just build up your relationship.

Build up his resolve.

There you go.

He's nice.

That's already started.

It's started.

There you go.

There you go.

Did you feel about another sort of bonding exercise?

Would you have a mind?

Do you feel some sort of a penetrative act?

Would you like to penetrate another?

Interpol is quite a...

There we go.

Do each other's eyes, do you guys?

Just really connect.

Just look up at your mother and drink her in.

Look at how nice and warm and accommodating she can be.

Yes, that's great.

She speaks up for you sometimes just because she really cares about you.

I do.

All my heart.

I do my best.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Enjoy as much as you can.

Oh, yes.

As much pleasure as you can feel as you have with your son.

Bonding's amazing.

Oh, yes.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yes.

Oh, yes.

Oh, yes.

Oh, God, that's so hot.

Oh, yes.

It's so hot.

Oh, yes.

Self-affection.

Yeah.

Using hands, holding me.

Oh, yeah.

Brushing them.

Without alcohol.

That's what I do.

Oh, yes.

Yeah, that's good.

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Oh, yes.

Oh, yes.

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, God.

Oh.

Oh, yes.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh, yeah.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, that felt so good.

Did you feel Monica?

Oh, orgasm.

I guess we should.

My nose already happened.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh, yeah.

Oh.

Say, how do you feel about maybe switching

kind of positions a little bit?

Sure.

I would love to learn

something new.

Oh, yeah.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Yes.

Do you feel okay?

Okay.

Okay.

Stand up.

If I could like bend over

so you can kind of maintain eye contact

with your mom.

Yeah.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Yeah.

So much easier with something you know.

Right.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh, my.

Oh, wow.

Oh, boy.

I do like

watching you.

Oh, yes.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh, yeah.

Oh.

Oh, there it is.

Oh.

And she says that you keep doing it.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Oh, yes.

Oh.

Oh, yes.

Oh.

Oh, yes.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Yes, you're doing it right.

Good job.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh, yeah.

Oh.

Oh, yes.

Oh.

Yes.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Yeah

Oh

Position

Something else in mind for you

Mm-hmm. That's a way to tell me what you want

Sorry, I don't even focusing so much on Anthony. Is there something that you want to say?

I would love to taste you

Oh, really?

Yes, yes

Thank you, Rach

Maybe Anthony can come and taste me some more

Or, oh, you can do that

You're getting to be more assertive

This is working for him

And me

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

Okay

Mm-hmm

Where you going?

Here

Yeah

It's amazing

You seem more like the man of the house

Yeah

Oh

Yeah

Right

Yeah

Do you know what he's doing?

Oh

Amazing

Oh

Extra hard

Oh

Oh

So Anthony, you're going to have to be a little assertive

You want to mix

Hypothetically

Yeah

Where would you want to come if we're going to eject you?

Where would be a fun place?

Do you like breasts? Do you like?

Yeah, breast or face

Oh, really?

Yeah

I'm okay with that

Yeah, I'm okay

Yeah

What a mom

We've already shared so much today

Yeah

What do you feel?

Mm-hmm

A good place for you

I know

I'm going to put you on your own

So we can kind of

Kind of help

Mm-hmm

There you go

Oh

I kind of love those

That's my request, it's a nice

Delivery

Right

Oh

Oh

Very good

Yeah, that's it

Oh

Oh

Yes

Oh

Mm-hmm

Mm-hmm

Oh

Oh

Mm-hmm

Mm-hmm

Mm-hmm

Mm-hmm

Mm-hmm

Mm-hmm

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

Ooh

Ah

Mm-hmm

Mm-hmm

Oh

Ooh

Oh

Oh

Mmm.

Oh.

Mmm.

Mmm.

Mmm.

Oh.

Oh.

Mmm.

Oh.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Oh, okay.

Oh.

Oh,

oh.

Okay, let's do it.

Oh

Oh

Hmm

Oh

Oh

Yes, baby, I think it's time for you to come

Mmm

Amazing squirt

Mmm

So sweet

And even better sharing it with you

Mmm

Mmm

Mmm

When you want

Mmm

Mmm

Shh

Shh

You ready to come?

Mmm

Mmm

Mmm

Mmm

Mmm

Mmm

Okay

Okay

Yeah

Stand

And siren perfect

Okay

Okay

Mmm

Mmm

Mmm

Mmm

Okay

Come back at your son

Come down at your mother

Mmm

Becoming a man

That's the little boy that she has to do everything for

Mmm

All fully sexually harmed

Mmm

It's changing and that's okay

It's good

Yeah

Oh yeah

I'm coming

That's right

Oh there we go

Oh wow

Mmm

Mmm

All over your mother's face

Mmm

Very edible

Yes

All right

Mmm

Shh

You're a man now

You are

Different situation

Mmm

I think the man says thank you

Yeah

Mmm

Thank you my boy

Mmm

Well I think that is our time

For today

Thank you

But I want to give you

Each a little bit of homework

Siren

I think that it would be wonderful if we could

Practice listening

And active communication

He I think

Has shown that he can do it

I will do my best

Mommy's a little boy anymore

And Anthony you can help her out

By being more

Open more assertive

Like stepping into this new role

Which you are clearly ready for

I think this will help me come out of my shell a little bit

So you can practice with some more

Sessions like this in private

We'll have something to talk about next time

You know if you two would like to do

This again I think that we have a good

Really good first session

I think it would be good for both of us yeah

Yeah

Okay

Well

There

Is a bathroom

Which

I probably do

Especially

And

If you would like you can make

Another appointment with Sheila out front

Great

Thank you both so much for trusting

Me and letting me have this experience

With you

Thank you for helping us out

I feel so much

Even more close to you

Yeah

Thank you

Thank you

You're doing all the work

You did so much

Thank you

Alright then let's go

Really

Good first session

Thank you