All language subtitles for Trial and Retribution s10e03 Closure 1

Here they are.

Dennis Nilsen, Ian Brady, Myra Henley,

Fred West and his wife Rosemary, Harold
Shipman.

These are faces I guarantee are familiar
to you, to everyone, because what they

did was unforgettable.

One worried mother called in on Rosemary
West, asking about her daughter.

Mrs. West was wearing the dead girl's
slippers.

Oh, she left weeks ago.

The audacity, but also the plausibility.

This is the key to how they got away
with serial killing.

I can't impress on you too strongly the
invaluable aid that profiling is to

investigators. But the public image of
what I do, what a profiler is, bears

little resemblance to reality.

Stone all right.

Here we have Mr. Jeffrey Dahmer.

Looks pretty normal, doesn't he?

One officer opened his refrigerator,
then slammed the door, yelling, There's

head in here!

There were three more in his freezer.

There was a saucepan containing boiled
hands.

The ritual of torture and dismemberment
made him feel omnipotent.

Manipulation and domination drive them,
and their motives may be sexual, even if

there's no sexual element visible in
their crimes.

Some revel in the notoriety, collecting
cuttings, taking

trophies such as clothing, jewelry, or
sicker still, body parts.

It gives them a sense of control and
success.

previously lacking in their lives.

About ten minutes.

Yeah, I've got to go. It's just arrived.

Okay, bye.

Kid called the locals in.

They found her downstairs. She fits our
description. Long blonde hair.

About the right age. Still got school
uniform on.

They find the act of murder fulfilling.

I can guarantee that somewhere this
minute,

a victim will surface.

Thankfully, these are dead or locked
away.

But the murder of innocents never ends.

Yes, I'm up to speed.

Yes, she was a ballet dancer, sir.

Yeah.

Yes. No, I've got it in front of me
right now, sir.

No, no, no, I agree.

Yes. Thank you, sir.

Shit! Commander's in a tetchy bloody
mood this morning. He's not happy about

this.

They still haven't found anyone for that
kid from the pump house, Madeline

Fuller.

Roisin Connor's meant to be running the
case, or not.

How long's it been?

Two months.

Why, Connor is up shit creek without a
paddle.

She's got nothing.

At 4 .15, give or take a few moments,
she was seen here.

She was on her way to her ballet class
here, four streets away. Now, the direct

route would have been to walk from the
school.

Now, by road, she'd pass through shop,
she'd cross here, she'd turn in,

Road, number 15.

That's no more than a 15, 20 minute...

Walk. Or secondly, she could have... She
could have taken a bus. It's one stop.

Or thirdly, she could have gone through
this park, but it's a long way round.

It's the other side of the street.

OK. So you have no witnesses that saw
her at any of three possible routes?

No, but we had two that saw her at the
school gate.

Did she have her ballet gear with her?

Wasn't found. Not in her locker.

OK, your two witnesses, did they see her
with a bag, those haversack things they

used? They don't. Remember, did you not
see the reconstruction, Mike?

No, that's why I'm here. Where is it?

My office.

Right.

She's one of our girls.

I got her to carry a bag similar to the
one her mother says Madeline probably

used.

Surely someone must have seen her.

CCTV footage.

Couldn't pick her out in any of it.

You know, we didn't get one call, you
know.

Well, one that wasn't a time waster.
Listen, Mike, I don't want to admit it

you, I don't know what else to do.

I've spoken to her friends, her family,
the ballet teacher, everybody. I'm

getting nothing. It's unbelievable.

Yeah, and her mother's a dyke.

What? Oh, come on. Well, she is. She's
such a diesel. I mean, she's a good

-looking woman and she's... Well, she's
devastated.

I assume you've checked the Violent Sex
Offenders Register, you've run it

through the homes, checked to see if
they're concurrent with the same M .O.

on, Mike, of course I have.

Hang on a second. I've had some
information through about a... a

from the US. He's over here on a lecture
tour.

Come on!

His name's Max Stanford. Can I get him
in, please?

Roisin, do me a favour. They're more
trouble than they're worth.

Any reason he's busy on this?

I'll try two months and no results,
Satch.

This boy.

The one by the body.

She's taking another look at him.

Glue sniffer, isn't he? He's 17 years
old.

He's well -dressed. He's from a good
family.

He was also skiving off to sniff his
brains out. What's your point?

Well, the pump house is used by hookers.
He could be a peeper.

Maybe he saw more than just the body,
but doesn't like to admit it. In his

statement, he said he was on the first
day of the case when he saw the victim

and he called the police immediately on
his mobile phone.

Look, he was pretty spaced out when we
first interviewed him, but we've spoken

to him loads since. I mean, we found no
DNA evidence on his clothing.

or blood or anything else to connect him
to the victim. Yeah, yeah, I read the

report, Satch. Get Martin Douglas in
again.

Okay, I need results, Roisin. It is not
looking good.

Oh, come on, Mike. You're making it
sound like I'm on trial here. The

you are, sweetheart.

Now, it's nothing personal, Roisin. Any
SIO heading up an inquiry would be,

especially when you've got no results.

Yeah. Lisa?

What if he didn't take any of the three
possible routes? What if he didn't want

to be seen? Knew a killer?

No, no. She was brutally raped and
sodomized, possibly with an instrument.

He made sure he left no DNA, no fiber,
and no mother weapon.

I told Walker I'm taking on a profiler.

American. Very well known, apparently.

Max Stanford. There's his contact
details.

Give it two o 'clock what you're doing.

Who am I seeing? The deputy
commissioner. You have a charity

town hall.

Okay,

Lisa, I need you to do something for me.

Unsolved murder case. Victim Donna Ryan.

Body found in the city 1999.

Dig it out, will you? Sure. Any
particular reason?

Yeah.

It was one of mine.

Martin Douglas couldn't have seen the
body from where he said he did.

This is the first staircase, isn't it?

Yeah.

Didn't you check this out?

Oh, shit.

When I interviewed him on site, he was
hysterical.

Run another check on all the toms known
to use this place, and this time, Satch

calling clubs and vice.

Oh, come on. How many toms do you know
will bring a client back here in broad

daylight? This is a nighttime gig, so
there's no way the time of death... It

dark earlier, then.

And if you need a fix, and you've got a
client... Max Stanford.

DCI Roy... Royson Connor suggested I
join you here. I'm Royson Connor.

This is Detective Sergeant Dave
Satchell.

Detective Chief Inspector Connor. I
automatically presumed you were a male.

Thumb profiler.

I'm sorry.

It's all right. You want to see the
crime scene?

Seems this

place is pretty popular.

Kids break in, do they?

Yeah. Prostitutes bring their clients
here. Junkies use it to shoot up. It's a

regular free hotel.

It's due for demolition soon.

So she was killed on sight?

Forensics say she was, yeah.

Did they get anything for you?

No.

He must have known this place.

Maybe he's local.

Could be.

Do you have anyone of interest living in
or around this area?

Well, we've done a house -to -house.

What? You know, knocking on doors.

Local residents in a half -mile circuit.
Then we widened the radius.

What about hotels?

Not many in the area, but we've covered
them.

This must be a dang place at night.

Hello?

Spooky.

Mind your shoes.

It's also used as a toilet.

The rest of it went on for bloody hours.

I've spoken to the National Crime
Faculty.

They're checking the catch -em database
for any other young girls.

Yeah, do you know if they picked up a
computer from Madeleine Fuller's home? I

don't think she had one. Her mother uses
one for work.

Yeah, well, her daughter could have had
access to it.

I presume so.

OK, well, get them to send it to the
high -tech crime unit for analysis.

If she doesn't have a boyfriend, knowing
she was seeing that perhaps she was

using some kind of chat room, perhaps
met her killer that way. I'm sure DCI

Connor would have checked that one out.

Never just be sure, be certain.

This is where the victim was lying, yes?

Okay, just give me ten minutes.

Yeah.

I'm sorry I'm going to have to cut this
short.

We're bringing the boy in who found the
body.

He a suspect?

No, but we think he'd seen more than
he's admitting to.

He's a glue sniffer. He was totally out
of it when I first brought him in.

In a terrible state.

Well, you go ahead. I'll stay here and
meet you back at the station if that's

okay. It's fine.

I'll organise a car for you.

Great, appreciate it.

It's a good -looking bloke, isn't he?

Did you see his loafers?

Toggles. Cost a fortune.

I wanted to buy a pair, but they're 250
quid. Yeah, well, that's how he comes

off as something a bit more than toggles
for it. That was Walker on the phone.

He wants to monitor the interview with
Martin Duggles. And this time's that.

I'll be doing it.

Sorry, I got held up. The profiler's
checking out the pump house, so I've

him there.

So do you know him?

Well, I sent the material about the
seminar he's doing over here. So you

know him?

No, not personally, but he's
metacredited.

Did the victim own a computer?

No.

Her mother had one, but for work, so the
daughter never used it, so he didn't

bring it in.

OK. Get it brought in.

I've told Lisa to call Catcham and give
them a kick up the arse.

Mike, we're across there.

Roisin, we need to go much further back.

Martin Douglas and his mother are here.
They've been here for over two hours,

you know.

Lisa, will you keep the research down to
two years, or are we just going to get

too bogged down?

I heard that, Lisa.

Dorothy Martin, I'm sorry to have kept
you waiting.

Do you realise that you're here simply
to answer some questions? You are not...

I don't bloody believe it. ...under
arrest.

Take a look at him.

The boy can hardly stand up straight.

You're free to go at any time and you're
entitled to a solicitor free of charge.

We're also videotaping this session.

Please sit down.

Now, Martin, you stated that you were at
the pump house at 4 .30 when you saw...

Martin?

Martin?

Is he okay?

Martin?

Martin.

Mrs Douglas.

Yes. I'm Chief Superintendent Mike
Walker.

Hello.

Mrs Douglas, your son appears to be
stoned out of his skull.

Can you explain that?

Yeah. Oh, you can?

Well, what has he taken?

And how long am I expected to wait
before he can speak fluently?

My son suffers from narcolepsy.

And we didn't expect to be waiting here
so long, so he hasn't been able to take

his medication.

I'm terribly sorry.

Did you inform any of my officers of his
illness?

No. No, because they didn't ask me.

They just told me that he'd been found
at the pump house and he's in an extreme

state of shock, which is such bad, bad
news for him.

Does your son take any other drugs apart
from those required for his illness,

like recreational drugs?

Yes.

My son takes ecstasy.

Because his illness is so debilitating,
which is something I'm sure you can't

possibly understand, that he's taking
anything now that's going to make him

normal. He is normal.

He just falls asleep all the time.

He suffers from narcolepsy, Roisin. The
kid falls asleep.

I know. I'm getting him brought back in
when he's awake.

Yeah, and not on ecstasy or glue,
please.

Now you know that Martin could have been
lying. He could not have seen the body

from the first staircase as he said he
did. He had to be closer to where she

found. Yeah, and probably off his head.
Yeah, well, check it out. Check it out,

because it's not looking good.

Listen, the mother never told us he had
bloody narcolepsy. Don't get catchy.

This is bloody serious.

One, you should have checked out the
narcolepsy.

Two, he had to be a lot closer to where
she was killed so he could be a witness.

Sloppy police work and you know it.

I can't like you, Roisin.

Is there anything bugging you at home?

No.

You know what, I've been on this for two
months, Mike. You've just come swanning

in. You're making me feel like I haven't
been doing my job. You haven't!

One, the kid could be a witness.

The mother's computer could... Ah, get
your throat back in. Yeah, well, check

out the hard drive, because the kids are
into chat rooms and websites. The

mother told me she'd never touch a
computer. She didn't do computer studies

school. She could be lying, just like
your narcoleptic kid.

Wake up!

What about my profiler, Mike? I mean,
could you help me out with the budget on

this? Your call. You brought him in.

He comes out of your budget.

He suffers from what?

It's a sleeping disorder.

We'll bring him back in when he's awake.
He fell asleep in front of the cup.

Yeah, but what does it mean to your
case? I mean, was he actually in the

where she was found or not?

Yeah, we reckon he might have been. I
mean, he went there to sniff, you know,

get high.

But whether or not he saw someone, we'll
have to wait until, well, until he's

awake.

Lisa, let's get back to the office.

Who's that?

Chief Superintendent Mike Walker.

He's sitting on the gov's shoulder since
the case went stone cold.

Unless your sleeping beauty here can
help you out.

Professor Stampert.

Sorry we had to leave you at the pump
house. Please, come in. Thanks. I've

some preliminary notes.

I don't like to make assumptions until
I've had access to the entire file.

I would also like to see the post
-mortem photographs.

Oh, such. Could you get us some coffee,
please?

Sure you want biscuits, sandwiches?

Just a coffee would be fine.

See if you can get that right.

I can gain a lot of information from how
the victim was lying, type of wound,

sexual motivation, and obviously as you
have confirmation that the victim died

at the pump house, there could be a
considerable amount that might help me

you some sort of profile to work
towards.

In a recent case that I was involved
with, we pinpointed a clear dissociative

identity disorder.

Thank you, Thatcher.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but we
work to a pretty tight budget here, so

there's any financial... Please, I'm in
the UK on an all -expenses -paid lecture

tour. If there's anything I can do to
help you, it's gratis.

Thank you.

How do you take your coffee? Black, no
sugar, please.

Could be.

From the way the victim is posed, your
killer is fueled by violent fantasy.

Schoolgirl.

He's quite likely to be an autistic
sociopath, and I would say that he's

before. Oh, we're looking into cases
with a similar MO, but... Okay, I don't

know what you mean by an autistic
sociopath.

Someone who has an incredible physical
and mental obsession with his own

prowess. He chooses his victims very
carefully and is physically attracted to

them. So he would have had prior
contact.

What kind of age bracket are we talking
about?

30s, maybe early 40s.

Yeah.

What?

Wine Douglas Muller's just called in.

He's now admitted to being on the same
stack as... Oh, shit.

Not.

I'm sorry, Professor Stamford.

Please, call me Max.

Would you excuse me, please, Max?

Do you see that Walker's office?

Yeah, I'd like to speak to Mike Walker,
please.

Who shall I say is calling?

Bill Shaw, D .I. Bill Shaw.

One moment.

D .I. Bill Shaw?

Let me pick up the mother's computer.

I don't know.

Okay.

Bill, thanks for getting back to me.
Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't get back to

Mike. I couldn't get to the phone. Well,
I just really wanted to have a chat

about that case we worked on.

Donna Ryan.

We could have another one.

Could be the same killer.

Bill?

Take this, Mr. Shaw.

I've listed the files, they're mounting
up, so I'm going to need you to decide

which might or might not be connected.

But I think you might be interested in
this one.

Donna Ryan.

Take a look at who the DCI is on it.

The case is unsolved, still on file.

Walker.

Oh, that explains why he's putting the
pressure on. No witness, no weapon, no

DNA.

The D .I. was a bloke called Bill Shaw.

Here, take a look at his personal
medical report.

He's lost it.

Couldn't keep his fists under control.

Looks very like Earth.

Didn't see a vehicle.

Beautiful young girl.

Nice family. No drugs, no boyfriends.

Gymnast.

She's on her way to her class.

Never made it to the gym.

Well, everything we have in it.

If Donna Ryan is connected to our
murder, I want you to check everybody

been to prison, anyone who's been in a
mental institute, murdered in 1999 and

then again in 2006.

Well, one second, Roisin. I mean, seven
years dormant, I don't think it's even

going to be... Please, don't think.

We can't afford any more mistakes.

Food is good. One ink city, three square
meals a day.

Never had the time to stop and eat.

Always had a hamburger in one hand on
the run.

Nothing tastes worse than a stone -cold
takeaway hamburger and fries.

Billy, you know I'm not here to discuss
menus.

If it wasn't important, I wouldn't
disturb you. Yeah, I knew that. I knew

as soon as I saw you walk in, but I
don't remember a lot of stuff, and if

going to test me, we'll waste your time.

Test? No.

No test.

Just want to see if you can help me.

much about anything.

She's gone.

That's another schoolgirl.

You'll get through it.

No.

What happened to me wasn't booze.

I know.

I couldn't handle nothing.

I'd get out, think I was going to be
okay, and it'd just come over me.

Crying like a kid all the time over
nothing, you know, over nothing.

Been in and out of here like a bloody yo
-yo.

Help!

Her name's Madeline Fuller.

She was a ballet dancer.

Same MOA as our kid.

Your little girl was as young and as
pretty.

You remember Donna's mother?

Yeah.

You always handled the family side well.
I found that too hard to deal with.

You can't solve a case, but you don't
forget it.

Madeline.

Madeline Fuller.

Pretty little thing wearing a school
uniform.

Mike.

I'll get through this. You put in a word
for me, yeah?

You had a call from your professor, Max
Stanford, inviting you to a seminar.

It's forensic psychology lectures over a
few days, he's one of the speakers.

Yeah, it's an awkward, isn't it? Yeah,
look, I wouldn't mind going to part of

it, if that's all right with you. I
mean, it would mean taking an afternoon

but... More like the whole day, Patrick,
forget about it.

How did you get hold of the Prison
Intelligence Unit?

Yeah. Well, any new releases for me?
Yeah, they're on it, focusing on violent

sex offenders.

Come on, we'd better get going.

Got to interview Martin Douglas, try and
get the truth out of him this time.

Hey, why didn't you tell me about Donna
Ryan?

I mean, you obviously think there's some
kind of connection. I would have

appreciated it, Mike, if you'd told me
from day one.

This is a video of her. Her mother left
it for me. I would like you to take a

look at it.

That's where you go and see Mrs.
Douglas. See if the kid is awake, and if

go to the pump house.

I will meet you there.

You never forget the unsolved ones.

A father took this footage.

I've watched this tape over and over.

I don't know how many times.

A beautiful young life.

Current and youth.

It's snuffed out.

Oh, I suppose back then your victim
wouldn't have used a computer. Mind you,

would have covered that, wouldn't you?

1999 wasn't that long ago.

Lisa, another possible case. Have a
read.

Oh, come on, Mike.

97?

Where was it?

Oxfordshire.

Okay, maybe I will take in the
profiler's lecture in Oxford.

I need him to look at some of the new
information I've got anyway.

While I'm there, I will talk to the D .I
.s on that case. Is that okay with you?

Working up in a can of worms here.

You know I have to speak to the D .I. on
your case. I have to speak to Bill

Shaw.

Don't dare go there.

He's sick.

How is he? He's OK.

His mother and doctor took him over.
He's not taking any substances other

his medications.

OK.

Martin, thank you for agreeing to come
back.

We're going to go downstairs, OK?

Are you all right?

Yes, he's fine.

The sooner we get this over with, the
better.

His father thinks we should have a
solicitor present at all times.

That's not really necessary.

Well, since you called to say that
Martin was actually by the same

the body, we now need to establish
exactly where he was.

Not a suspect.

You're just helping us out with our
inquiries, Martin, okay?

Keep them occupied.

I don't want to get your new shoes
dirty, do I?

Come on, Martin, it's okay.

It's okay. Come and show me exactly
where you are.

Come on.

It's okay.

Mrs. Douglas, you know, this is really
very, very helpful to us.

Now, I can understand Martin.

Come on, it's okay.

It's okay, Martin.

It's okay.

You weren't on the staircase, were you,
Martin?

You're closer to the body.

Come here, we're good, aren't we?

We're done.

Come here, we'll share the office.

Over there.

See, that's where I was.

Over there?

Do you want to walk over there, Martin?

Do you want to hold my hand, Martin?

You're screwing your gear here, Martin?

Get out of the money.

Get out of the money.

Get out of the money. Give me your
money.

Give me your money. Okay.

You know what you're doing. You know
what you're doing.

Just five quid for a bottle of Coke.

And my dad is going to kill me if he
finds out.

He gets really aggressive when he drinks
anything. It's okay. It's okay. Where

can I find this place, Mark? Where can I
find it? Can you describe it for me? Is

he black? Is he white? Is he tall?

Sometimes he has a girl with him, but
I've never seen him here. That's all I

know. Listen to me, Mark. That girl died
here, over there. Now, what did you

see? Nothing.

Nothing. I just woke up and she was
there. She was lying on the floor. I did

see anything. I didn't.

Oh, I'm in terrible trouble.

I'm not going to go away, Martin. Do you
understand that? I'm not going to go

away. Oh, my God. Martin.

Martin.

I refuse to allow you to question my son
any further without a solicitor.

He's already... Oh, God.

He is already very distressed.

His father said we shouldn't come. Thank
you, Mrs. Douglas.

He hasn't done anything wrong.

Anything wrong at all.

He is a sick boy.

He also lied to us, Mrs. Douglas. As
well you know.

Thatch, organise a car for her, please.
I don't want a car.

We'll walk.

I don't want the neighbours seeing a
patrol car.

All right.

All right.

All right.

Hi. Do you get anything from Martin
Douglas?

No. I want to question him again.

He said he scored some dough from a
local dealer, a bloke named Greg.

When are you going to bring him in?

His mother suggested we leave it a
couple of days until he calms down.

Okay, I just don't want this one leaking
to the press.

Oh, well, I understand that.

I mean, if we're chasing the same
killer, the one you didn't catch, and

now such a high flyer.

You seem to have a real attitude
problem, Roisin.

I care that I did not catch Donna Ryan's
killer. I don't care how it affects who

and what I am now. I just don't want the
killer tipped off.

He could be a professional. Someone with
enough police training to kill and

leave no trace.

Did you hear that?

Said the killer could have police
training.

Yeah, but he leaves no evidence, I
think.

Could be lying.

Okay, I'll see you in the morning,
Satch. I'm going to go to that Oxford

seminar.

Ryan, fight me.

Was I supposed to come down to you? I
wasn't sure, so I've just waited here

you. No, I thought it would be more
private in here. Can I come in? It'd be

guest.

I've got some orange juice and an
illegal kettle if you want a cup of tea.

I'm surprised you found me.

I've been moved on from here a few
times.

Evil brawn on the desk caught us.

You found him, have you?

Is that why you wanted to see me?

No. No, we haven't got anyone.

How about you got a suspect?

Not yet, but we have had developments.

Well, I should think so.

After six years.

There's a possibility Donna's killer may
have groomed her or enticed her online

to meet with him.

Enticed?

Let me tell you.

My Donna, she was a good girl.

Never even had a boyfriend.

Dead keen on gymnastics.

So if you have come here to rake up any
data about her, then... Sylvia.

Can I call you Sylvia?

You can call me anything you like.

Since she's been gone, I've been and
done things I should never have done.

But night on it, don't you tar here with
my brush.

I know what you've been through.

Do you?

Well, let me tell you.

The pain, it never goes away.

Because you keep on blaming yourself.

Do you know, I still think...

If I'd have picked her up.

If her dad... He ran round after her.

Collecting her, waiting for her.

And that one, one afternoon... Sylvia,
did Donna own a computer?

A computer?

Yeah, or did she have access to one?

What do you want to know that for?

Well, there's a chance that Donna may
have innocently contacted a killer via a

chatroom. Six years and you've come up
with this?

I haven't even got a suspect.

And you want to know if my Donna used a
computer?

Are you taking the pill?

I'm sorry, I didn't want to upset you.

Listen, mister.

Nothing upsets me.

Because I've got nothing.

I'm a drunk living on undoubts. Because
I lost the

only precious thing in my life.

Why don't you ask your father if he can
find him?

Did you know he walked out on us four
years back?

Does he have a computer?

Yes. He used it for him to check out
gymnastic events, things like that. But

where is he?

Where is the stuff?

God knows.

Walker.

Yeah.

What is it?

Martin Douglas died last night.

His mother's in intensive care.

The local cops reckon it was no
accident.

God.

His mother's heavily sedated. We can't
talk to her.

And I need to talk to Roisin Connor.

She's only schlepped off to Oxford.
Hadn't switched her bloody mobile on.

Lisa, call the hotel. Get her to call me
ASAP.

Yes, sir.

Hi, Joyce. Good morning, DCI Connor.
I'll pick you up. Thank you.

Good morning.

This is nice, isn't it?

Yeah.

DCI Connor to your satchel.

Miss Connor, there's an urgent message
for you to call DCS Walker.

You've got rooms 304 and 206.

There are lecture details in your room
and dining arrangements.

These are your badges. Thank you.

How can my battery be flat already?

Here, give me my key.

I'm coming from the room.

Thank you.

Yeah, I can have them sent straight up
to you.

Yeah, Roisin, I'll call you when Mrs.
Douglas comes round.

Yeah, and keep your bloody mobile
charge, will you?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa.

Hello, girls.

What the hell are you all doing here?

Did you manage to speak to Walker?

That's all you know about Martin
Douglas, then, yeah?

Yeah.

Local station called. There they got the
DCI from Rosemary Bellingcat back in

97. They've organised for us to see the
crime scene today.

Apparently, DCI Connor advised the squad
to bring in all known toms that use the

area, specifically the pump house.

Yeah, so how's he going to deal with
them? No, he's with DCI Connor, so I'm

sure he was interviewing them. Shit,
that's all I bloody need.

Guy Connor.

It's great to see you again.

This is Sheila Field.

Yes, I know, Sheila. Nice to see you
again. This is DS Dave Satchel.

Have there been any developments?

Martin Douglas died last night.

That's terrible.

Yeah, his mother's still sedated.

They may have to talk to her yet.

Hey, listen. If you want to discuss this
sometime, anytime, I'm available.

Except when I'm on the podium.

Look, this is my room, suite 507.

And that's the cell phone number.

Thank you. I'll talk to you later.

Okay.

Bye.

Mike.

What?

Hang on a second.

Hey, did you not cancel the girls?

What girls?

You asked Vice to bring in more known
toms than you, the pumper.

Oh, shit, I forgot.

I forgot, I'm sorry.

Ah, crossed wires, Mike.

Fine,

go ahead.

Hey, that was a mistake.

Can't be in two damn places at once, you
know.

OK, let's give them a little bit of
time, get this over with. It's going to

forever.

Barbara, I am really not worried about
whether you still go to the pump house

not. I couldn't give a damn. All I want
to know is whether you saw the murdered

girl there.

This one.

If you saw her on that particular
Wednesday, did you see anyone else

look around?

Maybe he was respectable.

Maybe he was well -dressed.

You'd be surprised how many respectable
men like to go there.

But I've moved on. I've got a place.

Oh. Got a government grant, did you?

Tell you who you should talk to.

Valerie Marlowe.

Cheap, firm, avid car.

Mm -hmm. Why should I talk to Valerie?

She uses that pump house.

She's usually out of her skull.

Her boyfriend is a dealer.

Small time.

Mm -hmm.

What's his name?

Oh, perhaps you'd give me Marlowe's
name. What's his name?

I'm no effing snitch, you know. I know.

But he's a nasty little sod.

Greg. Greg who?

Alcott.

Good girl.

Okay. Last question.

You ever see this boy there?

He's a bit young, isn't he?

We need to find a Tom called Valerie
Marlowe. Check with clubs and vice. She

uses the pump house. Also has a
boyfriend who deals. Greg Alcott. This

the same Greg Martin Douglas scores for.

I think you'd better look at this case.

Birmingham, 2001.

Turned in here.

The body was found in this field.

Where she killed her, she was found.

Our problem was the digger turned up the
earth. We did a fingertip search and

found nothing.

Weather was bad.

Heavy rain for weeks.

And she was laughing at the school.

She was seen at a bus stop around 4 .35.

But the bus she would have got on was
running late.

Didn't get there until 4 .35.

What about the two other girls at the
same stop?

Well, they said she waited for a while
and then left crossing the road.

And how long till her body was found?

Missing for two weeks.

Face I will never forget.

Rosemary Belling.

Talented musician.

Big future.

She was dumped up where that land rover
is, well off the beaten track, so anyone

passing wouldn't see her.

It's the same pattern as both our cases.

Think it's the same dad?

Possibly.

You're not coming?

No.

Ah, a bit of a mud bar.

Ah, 250 bloody quid.

If you're carrying a body, where's your
easiest access?

No fibers were found, nothing was caught
on the head.

Killer must have driven up there. You
couldn't have carried a body from here.

Well, you'd need a four -wheel drive.

Hmm.

Maybe.

It's open.

Lecture started 15 minutes ago.

Have yourself.

Well, it's out to be you made an effort.

Throws me a bell in.

God, he's a talented musician.

Breaks your heart.

I'm absolutely starving. I'll go get
something to eat soon.

When you are confronted with a suspect's
apartment like this, it's no feat of

the imagination to realize that the
occupant had some serious head problems.

What was and is hard to understand is
that Emmanuel Tarosa lived, ate, and

in this apartment.

He entertained his friends.

I was recently asked to come in on a
case where the victim had been raped and

murdered.

It looked like a burglary gone wrong.

Draws opened, rifled, etc.

But a professional burglar opens the
bottom drawer first, then works upward.

It saves time.

He's good, but I've heard him before. I
met him a few years ago.

I am dying for a drink.

Roisin?

She's a detective.

Ah, forensics. No, she always gets her
mind. Roisin, come on. Have a seat.

Oh, you're okay. Do I want to see him?
Go on, please. Sit down. Thank you,

you. The normal, everyday person's
awareness is unbelievably limited.

Don't want trouble, don't want to get
involved.

Mike Walker.

Nick Brooks. Thanks for coming in.

Contrary to what Madeleine Fuller's
mother states, Her computer was used to

access chat rooms on a regular basis.
Yeah, I knew it.

And the photograph she posted on the
site. You need to ID.

Yes.

That's Madeleine Furrow.

My job is all about awareness. Learning
to look at a crime scene. And I mean

look. Times have moved on, so not so
fast here in the UK.

And if law enforcement in England... For
someone so keen to come, you're looking

quite sleepy there.

I'm listening to the OSHA.

Then I am confident that the ratio of
unsolved cases in this country would be

minimized. Thank you.

Thank you very much, Professor Max
Sanford.

I now will have a Q &A, but only for 15
minutes. Right. Shall I start us off,

or, um... Yes!

You start.

Thank you.

You're fast asleep in there.

Don't give me any crap about listening
with your eyes shut.

I've read the books.

I've worn a T -shirt. Anyway, I have a
theory.

See, I think... Oh, I've never heard one
of these before.

See, I think, I mean, I haven't done any
big research on it, but if you look at

nearly all your serial killers...

They've got one thing in common.

Closer eyes.

No, no, but if you look at the animal
kingdom, yeah, lions, tigers, bears, all

the predators, they've got these closer
eyes. I mean, you know, some of them are

almost cross -eyed, aren't they?

But giraffes, rabbits, doves, all the
things that are preyed upon, their eyes

are wide apart.

So you look at all your photographs,
your palette up there of serial killers,

you know, squinty eyes.

DCI Connor, there's a package for you at
reception. It's been hand -delivered.

Get me another one, will you?

So they bring this guy in, and he said,
I want to report a murder. But he's

naked, apart from a black bin liner. I'm
sure you're tiny.

Tiny? Oh, there he is. He worked out
there. Oh, I see.

I thought... I think it was dark, wasn't
it?

And sometimes it reminds me of the very
thing that everyone else misses. Enjoyed

your lecture.

Thank you.

Uh, can I, um... Sit down. Join us,
please.

Uh, thank you. Actually...

It's very important that I talk to you.

Can we go to my room and talk in
private?

Sure.

Excuse me.

Champagne's on me. I'll see you all
later.

So, your

DCS Walker was the investigating officer
on the Donna Ryan case.

Yeah, it was back in 1999.

This one is our latest one in 2001.

I mean, the reason we're here in Oxford
is for the Rosemary Belling murder in

97. Oh.

So you're not here just for my lecture.

Oh, that's very impressive.

Mm -hmm.

Very, uh, very entertaining.

Hey, listen, I've got this, um, this
theory about, um, people with clothes

up. Not now, Satch, please.

Um, Max, the killer must somehow have
gotten access to these girls.

Because Walker thinks that he's got
inside information. Maybe police

I really don't like throwing in details
when I haven't had a chance to study the

file. Well, what about this link to the
computer? Via chat rooms.

Chat rooms?

Yeah, you see, our latest victim,
Madeline Fuller, she had a computer and

I'm going to throw up.

Not in here. You're not not in here.
Come on, get out of here.

Into the bathroom. Move.

Look, why don't we have breakfast early
and talk this over then?

You know, maybe I can hold on to the
files, look them over.

Yeah, take the files.

I'm sorry.

Don't be sorry.

I'll see you in the morning.

Sorry about that.

I think it was a pay note.

blow anything else, did I?

Like what?

I don't know. Maybe you fancied him.

I didn't fancy him, Satch. It was
bitten.

It's not my type, anyway.

What is?

What is what?

Your type.

None of your fucking business! Now go to
bed!

Oh, I'm so sorry it's so late.

I want to do some work on the files.

Come on in.

They're on the desk.

I was just about to take a shower, but I
could call room service and order you

up a tea, drink, coffee.

I'll just take you to my room.

Look, in 15 minutes I can be showered,
dressed, and meet you in the bar.

It's so late. I'm sorry I disturbed you.

You haven't.

Well, I look forward to seeing you in
the morning.

But hey, try and get a good night's
sleep.

You have dark circles. I can feel your
anxiety.

I understand how you must be feeling,
but to get results, you've got to

your batteries.

Sorry,

madam. Hang on a second.

The internet has to be the way the
killer got to know the girl, right?

It didn't just disappear on a whim.

Hello? Listen, can you hear me?

Yeah, did you get anything from the girl
at the interview?

Where the hell are you? Are you in the
bar?

Oh, come on. Come on.

Rochelle? Yeah?

Rochelle, are you there?

Oh, yeah, I'm listening to you.

So you're on the goddamn left.

Okay, now look, none of the Toms have
any information, but one of them

we get in touch, we trace a Valerie
Marlowe.

Right, now she's got previous, so we can
bring her in, and she's known to use

the pump house with her clients.

Roisin.

Roisin!

Thank you.

Sorry about last night.

Hey, I'll next time be picking someone
up this room, will you?

Oh, God.

Go and wait in the car. I'll come right
to you.

There you go, madam.

Thank you.

Good morning.

What happened to Brexit?

I've been waiting for you in the dining
room.

Oh, yeah, that would have been nice. I'm
sorry, I've got to get back to the

office. New developments?

Yeah.

So, shall I call you when I get back to
London?

Yeah, please.

Perhaps we could have dinner one night.

Yeah, I'd like that.

I'm sorry for calling on you so late
last night.

I would have liked you to stay.

You can see that your girl used chat
rooms, but there's no details of the

contact. DCI Connors on her way to
pistachio. Oh, that bloody time.

Madeline downloaded photographs, too,
but we can't see the images sent back.

I've discussed this with Lisa here. She
agrees the best thing to do is to go

online covertly. Yeah, I know. Look, she
mentioned that, but what does it

involve exactly?

We set up a kid's profile online.

We spend time building up trust within
the key chat rooms.

We route our connection somewhere else
in the country to hide our source.

Oh, come in.

We now know for sure there was frequent
use of chat rooms, and Donna Ryan may

also have had access to one.

Talk me through it.

Ready for you now, Lisa.

Second door along the corridor.

Camera's set up. Lisa is going to be our
bait.

Bait? Well, you seem to have trouble
tracking down our killer, so we thought

Lisa might lure him into a trap.

It's all on computer. Why not use Mr.
Expert here? Well, as I explained

it has to be online 24 -7. Lisa will
work from a laptop that will always be

her, right?

Now, we are wasting time. If you'd just
turned up for the meeting this

morning... I was on the back of the
motorway.

And there's no risk.

No.

No, I mean, it's rerouted to disguise
the original source. Right, that's how

works, right?

Yeah.

What's he so bloody upset about?

Bit hungover.

Lisa, you don't have to do this.

We don't even know if these other girls
use these chat rooms.

Wait till you see what they're going to
do with my photograph.

Ready?

Oh, my God.

Lisa.

Nice and comfy?

Okay. Big slowly and steadily.

Hi.

My name is Sadie Gordon, SG, and I'm
hoping to meet someone with the same

interests.

I'm 16 years old, and I'm studying my A
-levels. But the most important thing in

my life, and my big interest, is acting.

I want to eventually go to drama school.

Online.

Now.

Shit, look how many are coming in.

Hi, SG.

What drama school? I'm big into
Shakespeare. Are you?

Yes. The modern plays are cool, too.

This is me rehearsing for Hamlet. I look
good in tights. Do you? This is me in

my copy.

Oh, my God. Look at that.

Here's another one.

I play the lead in my school play.

Oh, that's cute.

Yeah, Walker could be right.

This is how he gets to them. This
flushes him out, then I'll buy it, Ben.

Whoever he is, however he does it, he
could not have killed Martin Douglas

without him said information.