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If serial killers could speak from beyond the grave, would they be willing

talk to us?

My name is Julie McDonald. I'm an investigative journalist.

And I'm Bobby Marqueso, an ex -cop and psychic medium.

And together, we aim to have a conversation with a serial killer.

Jeff O'Donnell was a master manipulator.

He was an extremely complex serial killer.

The brutality, the cannibalism, the savagery sets him up in a far different

category.

We're giving you an opportunity to make some kind of a noise or a sound and let

me know that you're here so that we can acknowledge you.

He's infuriating.

Get your energy all worked up and move this up into the red.

No evil or anything can dwell here any longer.

How did you kill Stephen Hicks?

Barbell.

Jeffrey Dahmer lived quietly in a Midwest suburb,

but nobody knew of the horror taking place behind his apartment door. He was,

quite simply, a monster in human form.

As the body count reached 17, Jeffrey Dahmer's increasingly sick and twisted

lifestyle came to an abrupt end.

Officers responding to a routine call -out discovered the rotten and dissected

remains of his victims scattered across his apartment.

Our paranormal investigation will explore this sinister and bizarre

world that Dahmer created as we retrace the solitary evil path that led to so

many deaths of young men. Will the spirit of this man who was actually

as pure evil still haunt the scenes of his crimes?

We aim to find out.

Jeffrey Dahmer was a twisted serial killer and cannibal and up to all kinds

detestable activity.

He was smart.

Serial killers are usually pretty smart.

And one of the things Dahmer knew is that if he chose people who wouldn't be

missed, then he could go undetected for longer.

Our paranormal investigation into this dark ritualistic necrophile aims to make

contact with him from the other side.

Our journey begins at Dahmer's childhood home, the place he committed the first

of many murders.

We will investigate the club Dahmer frequented, where he used to stalk and

select his victims.

And finally, we'll conduct a seance on the very grounds where Dahmer lived, and

which was to become the gruesome graveyard for so many young men.

As a child, Jeffrey Dahmer dissected dead animals and by his teenage years

an alcoholic loner. Who could have guessed that this strange young man who

and cannibalized his victims would end up becoming one of the world's most

notorious serial killers?

I don't think trying to summon up the ghost of Jeffrey Dahmer would be in any

way wise.

This would be someone to avoid.

Jeffrey Dahmer grew up here in the small rural town of Bath, Ohio, a middle

-class boy from Middle America.

The fractures in his parents' marriage left him feeling isolated, and by the

time he was 18, Dahmer had gone from having a fascination with roadkill and

bones to something much more sinister.

To help us gain insight into Dharma's mind, I've arranged for Bobby and I to

meet his classmate, John Bachter, at the playing fields where they used to hang

out. First, tell me how you came into contact with him.

Well, I met him at school in seventh grade, which is when we were about 12 or

13. What was he like?

He was a quiet kid, black horned rims, blonde hair, just another...

You know, shy nerd walking the halls of Eastview Junior High.

So when did you start to get to know Dahmer better?

High school, like a few years later. He was an outsider. I mean, he didn't have

any close friends, and he just sort of tagged along after us. And then his

behavior got so dark that we just kind of said, eh, I don't think so. In what

way was it? Well, mostly the drinking.

I mean, he would smell of liquor, scotch.

He had seven in the morning before class.

And, I mean, Dahmer wasn't drinking for fun. I mean, he was trying to quiet the

voices in his head that were telling him to do these horrible things.

It would seem, John, that in our investigation, it's going to be critical

to see where he lived.

Yeah, it's right around the corner, and we can go there right now.

So, John, this is the Dahmer household.

Did it look like this back in the 1970s? It looks exactly the same, actually,

yeah. And when was it that what happened here came to light?

When the whole thing blew up in Milwaukee, then they revisited his

and I think he confessed that he had killed his first victim there, and then,

course, all the cops descended upon here and tried to find, recreate the crime

scene. And what did they find?

Well, they found little bits of bone all over the property back there. And, you

know, he gave them a pretty detailed account of what he did. And, you

know, they found what was left of the poor kid.

Oh, did you get any sense of what happened here? He was looking for

things like that to kill.

You know, he had started to really get into that. He picked up collected

animals.

And he dissolved them in acid. His dad was a chemist, so he could look at the

bones. Well, this is definitely where it all began.

It was clear to me that here, the place where Dahmer slaughtered his first

victim, should also be the first stage on our paranormal investigation.

Little did we know the evidence that would be coming our way.

If there's anybody here, can you please let us know? You must get out.

How did you kill Stephen Hicks?

Barbell. Jeffrey Dahmer had a fairly happy childhood, but after a routine

operation at the age of six and his parents' divorce, Dahmer started to

As a teenager, he had a fascination with dead animals.

And it wasn't long before he began to construct fantasies of sex with dead or

unconscious men.

It was here at this unassuming suburban family home that Dahmer committed his

first murder. After luring a hitchhiker to this house, he battered his 18 -year

-old victim to death with a barbell before cutting the body up and placing

bin liners. I wanted to start our paranormal investigation here.

From everything we've learned so far, Bobby, I thought it was crucial to our

investigations that we come back here right to the heart of the matter.

Absolutely. To Jeffrey Dahmer's family home. This is going to be key in our

understanding of how he grew up. Shall we go and take a look? Yeah.

This was where Dahmer lived with his father.

It's a large property on a long wooded road and has four bedrooms, a kitchen,

bathroom and the living room where Dahmer killed Stephen Hicks.

It also has a crawl space.

I had arranged for Bobby and I to meet Chris Butler, the house's current owner,

who would fill us in on Dahmer's first murder.

A hitchhiker named Stephen Hicks was his first victim.

I believe he was bludgeoned with a dumbbell in a family living area.

He put the body, either entirely or whatever, in the trunk of his car, then

it down to the crawlspace and dismembered it and scattered the bones

massive rock in the backyard.

Everything that you've described, obviously, the gruesome history of the

does it bother you at all? Is it something you give any thought to

when you're here?

Most of the time, no.

But I will say on certain dark winter nights, I get a sense of like, oh my

what did I do and what was I thinking?

It was the beginning of a really horrible crime spree.

Have you ever been in the crawl space?

Sure. And how does that make you feel when you go in there?

It's creepy.

In the back of my mind is always the memory, the fact that something happened

here and not only something, it happened right here. And that does creep me out.

Bobby took the chance to investigate the woods while it was still light.

This is the place where Dharma scattered the remains of his victim, standing in

the woods and spinning in a 360 -degree circle.

scattering the remains as he turned.

There's pieces of, there's bone everywhere.

Or at least was. I don't know if they dug them all up or not, but from what

seeing, there's just pieces everywhere.

I can see him sitting back here and holding a skull in his hand and, like,

wanting to bury it, not wanting to let it go.

I think this is huge right here.

With Bobby already feeling a presence we began our investigation at one of our

most connected locations ever.

We started in the kitchen.

Yeah? Yeah.

You know, normally I don't ask you, but this time I'm going to ask you, what are

the first things you feel walking into this place? What does it make you feel

like? The only way I can say is my legs felt really heavy as if they wouldn't

quite carry me into the house.

You don't have to do it in any situation. I just felt a draft.

Bobby felt drawn to one of the bedrooms.

Even I was beginning to feel nervous.

But was that merely because of the house's gruesome history?

See, they both feel quite strong. There's a lot of negative emotions back

Do we have a light?

Yeah. This one feels really bad.

Are we able to establish Bobby? I know in the short time we've spent here.

If this was actually Dahmer's bedroom? We don't know. I asked Chris earlier. He

doesn't know which one was his room.

Do you get any sense? That's what I'm saying. Both of them feel really

to me. I want to go in the other bedroom just because.

Okay. The negative energy because I'm being drawn to that.

But... This seems more like his room. There was a lot of negativity

in that room.

Maybe some activity took place there. I know it's Dahmer related.

But...

As far as his room goes, I'm going to peg this one as Dahmer's room.

I feel like calling out.

Okay.

All right, first I'm going to ask if there's any spirits here inside of this

room. I've got a tape recorder in my hand.

I also have a meter in my hand that by you just coming close to this will help

to activate this and let us know that you're here physically. If there's

here, can you please let us know?

Also, you can make any kind of noise either in this room or anywhere in the

house that we can hear to let us know that you're here. We're here to

acknowledge you. We're here because of you.

If that was you, could you do that again, please?

I have no idea where that came from.

Okay, so I'm here to talk to you again.

If you're here, will you make some kind of a noise or a sound?

Or acknowledge that you're here, please.

Now that's twice. We've asked for it and it's come.

I understand old houses.

If I count to five, that noise, if that's you making this on this

can you make that by the time I get to five?

One.

Two, three, four, five.

Okay, I'll give you that one. That was pretty close to the end of the question.

It would be great if we could get something a little bit stronger,

Oh, yeah, but obviously, again, it takes a lot of energy for them to do that.

Can you tell me your name?

What are you doing here in this house?

Do me a favor and make the...

Talk to me

again. Talk to me.

I heard that.

By now, Bobby was convinced we were not alone in the house.

I wasn't so sure, but Bobby wanted to use the psychic radio known as a Frank's

box to provide me with more concrete proof.

So we're standing here in the room where the murder took place.

Can you please make yourself known if there's an energy in here with us?

Just come closer. Get your energy all worked up and move this up into the reds

to let me know that you're here.

Now move it up into the orange.

A little stronger.

Go to the next one up.

Come on, use my energy or use whatever energy you need to and move that up into

the orange.

You can feel the energy getting stronger.

I can feel it when they're trying harder.

The Frank's Box is a paranormal tool that scans AM, FM and low band

to allegedly create a noise matrix and therefore communication from the other

side.

Is there a spirit in this room with us?

What is the one thing you want to say to me?

Steve,

if you're here with us, give me your last name.

I heard you.

Steven,

what happened to you?

Dahmer?

Steven, what happened to you?

Dahmer?

Jeffrey Dahmer, are you here with us now?

What did you do in this room, Jeffrey?

Killer? Teenage killer?

I thought I heard teenage killer.

Where did you put Stephen Hex after you killed him?

In?

That's a crawl space or am I just being an absolute... Did you hear a crawl

space?

In? Ian?

Okay, I know this is something we already know the answer to, but tell me

name of your first victim.

Steve.

Wow.

Why did you kill Stephen Hicks?

Payment?

How did you kill Stephen Hicks?

You have to prove to me that this is you, Jeffrey, and I want to know how you

killed Stephen Hicks.

Barbell.

I heard that Thursday.

Oh.

Okay, well. Well.

Let's also ask him what was the name of his mother and his father. I mean,

things that I think we... I mean, I know that's pretty definite, but why not...

I think I've already asked three or four different questions for him to tell me

who he is. He's going to get angry if we keep testing and keep testing him.

Well, you know, he's dead and he's a murderer. Let him get angry.

I had wanted to probe further, but to my frustration, Bobby felt it was unwise

to provoke the supposed spirit of Dahmer any further.

Fascinating.

To keep the investigation moving forward, I took Bobby to the crawl

This is where Dahmer brought the body of his first victim.

Jesus Christ.

Oh, man, it really is a crawlspace.

This is absolute shit, isn't it?

God damn it.

This is it.

This is where Jeffrey brought his victim.

That area.

Against my better judgment, I think we'll just leave Bobby to it. Give him

peace and quiet and see if he can pick up anything genuine about what went on

down there. I know there are various points in the woods out here that are

interesting. Do you want to show me them?

How about the rocks?

Where the bones were scattered?

Yeah, okay.

Interestingly,

Chris took me to the place where Dahmer had scattered his victim's bones.

This was exactly the place Bobby had identified, yet he couldn't have known

this. Wow, this really is into kind of the deep, dark woods, isn't it?

This almost looks like an altar.

Definitely has kicked me out many a time.

I believe...

The bone fragments were in this general area.

Okay. Chris, I haven't actually heard what happened in the crawl space where

just left Baldy. Can you describe to me what went on in there?

From what I understand, Jeffrey had sex with the corpse and then dismembered it.

In that crawl space? In the crawl space, yeah.

Okay.

I'm going to start asking.

If there's anybody in here, it's time to talk to me.

Talk into my tape recorder.

I also have this K2 meter that if you come close to me, it will light up to

me that you're here.

I'm starting to feel something close to my leg.

Look at that.

It feels like it's right by my leg.

Can you light that up for me again?

It's going.

Okay, if you're here, light this up once for yes.

Jeffrey, is this you?

I just want to make sure.

If this is you, will you light it up once for... Okay, he's not even waiting.

Once for yes.

Do you still haunt this house?

Are you still around?

Can you tell me that you're here? I feel you close to my leg.

Can you just light this up again for me, please?

I just don't want to keep in this place.

This is where Dahmer hacked up and put Stephen Hicks in one

of the most gruesome crimes that has ever taken place, and I'm standing right

the middle of it.

No evil or anything can dwell here any longer.

You must get out.

We just finished our investigation at Jeffrey Dahmer's childhood home. It was

fascinating. Perhaps because it was such a great resolution, it was really

difficult to separate.

the feeling that you have when you go there, which is you know that something

terrible happens.

We did hear a few sort of noises, particularly Bobby felt strongly about a

of noises, which I still think came from a window frame in one of the bedrooms.

And then Bobby went downstairs to see a call space and really did not want to go

in there.

He got some interesting evidence on the EMS meter, specifically asking a

question. and asking it to light up. It was the basement of a house, however,

and there were electrical elements downstairs.

It could have been that, but to get it to light up on request, I'm still trying

to explain that one to myself.

I don't think we can dismiss the experience factually, and I certainly

those things are not paranormal either.

Our paranormal investigation had got off to an amazing start, but I wanted to

have a conversation with this evil killer.

We headed to Milwaukee, the city Dahmer made infamous for the murder and

cannibalistic mutilation of 16 men.

Very, very toxic.

Is there anybody here? If you make some kind of a noise or a sound, let me know

that you're here so that we can acknowledge you.

After the murder of Stephen Hicks, it would be several years before Jeffrey

Dahmer killed again.

He moved to West Dallas to live with his grandmother, but in 1988 she asked him

to move out due to his drinking, late nights, and the foul smells coming from

the basement.

Dahmer was this slender, slight guy who relied upon...

his charm.

He would then use various non -physical techniques to knock them out and

do what he wanted with them.

After finally moving into his own apartment, Dahmer really began to

indulge in his murderous fantasies. For the next few years, Dahmer stalked

Milwaukee, murdering and hacking apart 12 men.

try to trap in their skull, cut a hole in their skull and turn them into

and pour a drain over something, trying to make them into the living dead here

for his sexual playthings. So he was someone that added a new sick and

twist to serial killing and what he would do to his victims.

Jeffrey Dahmer would find his victims in Milwaukee's gay bars.

He would spend most evenings here in the recently closed down Celebi nightclub.

This seemed to me to be the next logical stage of our paranormal journey.

Bobby, this building here in front of us is Bellevue, the nightclub. It has been

for the past 37 years. Probably won't surprise you to know that it was exactly

around this area, particularly here, and then the other club just up in three,

where he came to stalk for his victims and to hang out in all the different gay

bars. Interestingly, though, it also has some rooms for rent just above the bar.

I'm sure you can imagine what sort of things went on in there, all behind

doors. So this was a pretty...

See the area.

Yeah, this is going to be, like you said, an important place. We're walking

Jeffrey's footsteps.

And, I mean, I think it was here already kind of getting the sense and the

feeling that it was here that Dahmer went on his killing marathon.

I went to meet up with the club's owner, Marty, to hear about Salovey's infamous

history. Marty, thanks very much for having us at the bar.

Tell me a little bit about the history of C 'est la Vie.

C 'est la Vie has had the biggest and best reputation in the city for a drag

bar. Jeffrey Dahmer came to the bar here. What do you remember of him?

Actually, he was such a quiet person, you didn't even know he was here.

The only reason I knew him is because in those days I had a young man who came

in here.

And he was actually dating Jeffrey for a couple weeks.

The only thing is that he was smart enough that he never went home with

And that's the only reason he's alive today.

How did it make you feel when you think he was actually coming here to stalk out

his victims? To find out that he was doing what he was doing is enough to

the hair on the back of your head stand up.

If I was a person of violence, I would have taken them out.

The sun set over this metropolitan city, and we were joined by the paranormal

investigators of Milwaukee to help us with tonight's investigation.

As they set up their equipment upstairs, Bobby and I began by the bar.

With everyone in place, our investigation could begin.

Almost immediately, Bobby claimed to feel a very distinctive energy.

And so far, the strongest ones, there's a lot of energies here, but so far I'm

picking up on two really distinct ones.

There's one that's an older, kind of an older man. He's got glasses, a lot of

coughing and wheezing. And then there's another fairly tall person dressed in

drag and, you know, likes it here. It was kind of the heyday.

But having said that, you know, again, walking up.

We always try to establish the mentality of Dahmer here.

It's like we walk into these places and we try to walk into the footsteps of

Jeffrey Dahmer, and he was very quiet.

He could just slip into any situation and go unnoticed. That's what I'm

up on, is that he was likable.

Let's take a walk and see what we might be able to sense, or

I'm trying to tune in where Dahmer might have.

I think he came back here a little bit, but, you know, he was really away from

all the main hub. This seems like a focal point in the room, you know.

And he kind of stayed away from that a little bit.

Well, we do know that he liked to blend in. I mean, staying away from all the

major stuff, but yet sitting back and stalking in a way.

He definitely had his eyes.

open for that right type of person, which just makes me sick to my stomach.

As we dug deeper in the basement of this building, upstairs the paranormal group

were encountering some bizarre activity.

Just had someone, something, took Michael's flashlight and put it in and

it on the ground. I don't know if you can see, but there's a trifield meter

trying to get a UMAF reading off the flashlight.

We've had a few readings in different places.

It's okay, move the flashlight.

Just a little bit.

He's still here? Yeah.

Yeah, he's like right by the door.

Really, that's why I sent him there.

What is your name?

How old are you?

Is there anybody here?

This is where that big male figure that we talked about stands about this tall.

I think definitely that's the strongest energy that's here.

I'm giving you an opportunity to make some kind of a noise or a sound and let

know that you're here so that we can acknowledge you.

If you come near me and I can feel you here...

What the hell is that?

Is that inside the building?

Hello?

Let me make your energy stronger and light this up for me.

It came in and started at green and then went up and is a pretty steady yellow.

If this is you, will you light that up again for me?

Can you take it all the way up to the next level?

I should give this a try.

I'd be impressed if it did it where I kept it at, you know.

Did you hear that? I did.

Can you tell me who you are?

There's something back here.

All right, so I have a temperature gun here, and it shows an ambient

of 80 degrees. Will you manifest your energy, bring your energy up, and change

the degrees on the temperature?

Take this down to 75 degrees for me. Can you do that?

Come on, start bringing this temperature down.

You just moved.

76.

Drop it one more degree, please.

Drop it down.

One more.

I want 75.

Thank you.

Look at that.

75 degrees.

Mm -hmm.

And then mostly what I was thinking was I was feeling somebody, like, standing,

like, between this doorway and the bathroom doorway.

It's, like, 80 degrees in here. Pretty warm.

Mm -hmm.

I'm a little split on EMF here.

Like, just before you came down, I thought I heard, like, a noise, and I

it was the water dripping out of the closet.

I just briefly looked in the sink and I didn't see any water dripping.

120.

121. What's going on?

Is my thing malfunctioning?

126?

What is going on?

18. 28. That makes sense to me because it's like she's moving between

the two rooms here. I'm at 130 degrees.

Are you getting any heat in your mouth?

Bobby felt drawn to the apartment upstairs.

Are you sensing anything, Chris?

It's dilapidated. It's kind of got a sort of abandoned feel about it, but I

can imagine what went on

here, but only factually. It's just absolutely.

Disgusting, and so much so that not just in the

things that took place up here, but the people who lived here, it's almost

torturous.

The person that's here, and of course the desperate, desperate need for money,

and what this person would do to himself, or have let

somebody else do to him, just for money.

Perfect Jeffrey Dahmer territory, if you ask me.

It's very, very toxic.

It does have that feel, doesn't it? I think toxic is a good word to use.

Dilapidated. I think it definitely was a good setting.

For, you know, like, when the stories that we heard before of Dahmer going to

some of these places, doing what he did to the prostitutes and just leaving

them, you know, he would do that here.

But he wouldn't kill this person.

Despite the dereliction and desolation, nothing was leading Bobby to believe

that Jeffrey Dahmer's presence was here. We were no closer to a conversation

with the serial killer, so we rejoined the others in the bar.

He was kind of concerned about who we were and coming in.

When we went to the stage area, there was a, well, I wasn't sure at first if

was a man or a woman, but I'm pretty sure it was one of the drag queens.

And she's kind of defensive about people coming back behind the stage and behind

the curtain area.

Exactly where we were doing the temperature gauge.

Can I butt in for a second? Mm -hmm.

It's surprising how much you people know without knowing anything.

Half of what you people are feeling is close to being true. When you say you

the feeling he was there and depressed, he was, because he couldn't get enough

drugs to satisfy him.

Often mistaken for a girl because of the length of his hair.

But he was totally burned out on drugs.

But I'm sitting here listening to you talk that you get the feeling of stuff.

None of you could have known this.

Bobby and the paranormal group both felt that the Cella V Club may hold some

residual energy, but not Jeffrey Dahmer.

I've just returned from the investigation at Cella V Club.

Interestingly, the owner corroborated a lot of things that Bobby...

In our quest for absolute evidence of the spirit of Jeffrey Dahmer, I knew we

had to move the investigation onto the location where most of his barbaric

crimes happened.

a place where he fulfilled his sadistic fantasies, a place of death and

destruction.

Jeffrey Dahmer was apprehended when one of his victims, or would -be victims,

was able to escape with one handcuff and attract the attention of police.

Well, he stopped and talked with the officers, and he said, you know, started

talking about Dahmer, and the officers decided to investigate further.

The officers were able to get into the apartment and were able to subdue

Despite his charm at the door, the police were able to figure out that,

minute, this guy, something's wrong with this apartment.

And that led to the discovery of trophy heads and various parts of human bodies

that he was keeping in his refrigerator.

Dahmer had kept parts of some of his victims that he enjoyed, kept those in

freezer. That's how his crimes were uncovered.

I wanted to get as close an understanding as I could about Dahmer

that led up to his capture.

We went to meet Glenda Cleveland, a former neighbour of the monstrous

Glenda, thank you very much for having us to your home.

You live next door to where Jeffrey Dahmer's old apartment building stood.

you describe for me what the building actually looked like and where Jeffrey

Dahmer's apartment was in the blog? Okay, Jeffrey Dahmer's apartment, it was

near the rear of the building.

He had an aquarium in the window, and I used to love to just sit and watch the

fish. Do you think that he was quite a cunning person? Yes, yes, yes.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

What was the reaction of all the residents shortly after?

They were moving out and moving out fast.

What do people still, what do they feel about the land out there? Here is

something of everything.

You know, some people say they have seen, you know, actual people, ghosts,

I guess, whatever you want to call them, you know, out there.

It was clear that the apartment block still holds many dark secrets.

Although the building no longer exists, we were about to find out that the

murder site was still very much alive.

Jeffrey, are you here?

Why don't you show yourself?

I just moved over there.

It's infuriating. Why are you moving? Because you're a coward?

Speak!

Kill two more people.

In February 1992, Jeffrey Dahmer was brought to trial for the murder of 17

Despite a plea of insanity, the overwhelming evidence led to a

the dismemberment and murder of 15 of his victims.

Jeffrey Dahmer was charged for 17 murders, 16 here in Wisconsin and one in

Ohio. Dahmer justified the killings by basically admitting that he was too weak

to overcome his fantasies.

There was a plea on the part of his attorney of not guilty by mental...

disease or defect, but the jury didn't believe that.

Dahmer was sentenced to 957 years, yet would only serve two.

Dahmer had predicted that he might be killed by a black inmate, yet he refused

to be housed in a secure ward and insisted he be put in with the general

population.

Jeffrey Dahmer was beaten to death in jail by a fellow prisoner who probably

trying to score some points here among the other prisoners by doing it, Dahmer.

To conclude our investigation, we were to visit the location of Dahmer's former

apartment block where the 12 young men lost their lives.

The Oxford apartments, as they were known, were razed to the ground when

Dharma's crimes were brought to light. Yet to this day, some 16 years on, the

site remains a caged, derelict ruin.

To help us make contact with the spirit world, I've invited along WISP, a

paranormal research team familiar with investigating dark entities.

Could we make contact with the spirit of Dharma on the ground where he savagely

destroyed 12 lives?

We were going to hold a seance to find out.

We've gathered together in a circle here and we're going to be trying to open

the communication between this world and the spirit world.

Well, already I'm sensing a couple of...

Dahmer's victims that are standing over here and Dahmer's that are standing over

there in the corner. It has been since we first started.

Can you describe who we're dealing with?

Psychically, I'm getting you came here because we're here.

I felt that as well.

Can you make a noise?

We need a sign of your presence.

Here, Jeffrey, are you here?

Why don't you show yourself?

You just moved over there in the minute you confronted him. Why are you moving?

Is it because you're a coward?

I'm standing right here.

Where are you?

Speak!

You have to give us a sign.

Can you get some of the light type in the shoulder or the arm?

Tina? Yes.

Did it? Mm -hmm.

Jeffrey, you've been called a monster.

Are you a monster?

I've never felt a monster.

He's infuriating.

I don't think you can kill 17 people and chop them up and put them in a big bin

in your house and not be a monster. I agree. I just disagree. I don't buy it.

You know, you did terrible things. I mean, you know, and why did you eat your

victims? Because you were curious?

I just... I just find that astounding.

Well, the one question I have, what if someone had done it to you? He would

given himself freely.

I think it would be very easy to give an answer like that if you are the one in

control. If you're the one in control of the mayhem. Absolutely.

Then, you know, of course, yeah, of course I would do it freely.

Then why did you? Did you want the fame?

No. Did you want the recognition that other people weren't giving you?

Control.

Do you feel that he actually feels a sense of power even in the other world?

doesn't. He feels weak here.

He doesn't have that power. It almost feels like everybody's so aware he's

against him. How do we know we're definitely dealing with Jeffrey Dahmer?

there a question that we can ask somewhere?

Somehow we can get some sort of confirmation.

Jeffrey, is there anything that you could tell us that...

We wouldn't know in our story. He killed two more people.

Haven't been found.

One was. The other one's never found. Did you derive pleasure from it?

Jeff?

He's staying. He doesn't want to be here.

Dahmer had slipped away into the night, vanishing before we had a chance to ask

any further questions.

I'm glad Jeffrey Dahmer spoke to us. I'm really disappointed that he didn't give

us a lot of physical that you could see.

He brushed against people, he was moving around. There was a presence there that

touched me, that I had some kind of contact tonight.

My gut instinct says, and reading the situation, and also...

you know, reading Bobby, that I would have to say that, yeah, he was there.

Our journey had come to an end.

If our communication with his spirit was to be believed, then Bobby had begun to

discover dark secrets that Dahmer had taken to his grave. We had uncovered

startling evidence of Dahmer's presence at his childhood home.

And I want to know how you killed Stephen Hicks.

And at the cell of E -Club, we didn't find Dahmer, but Bobby had amazed owner

Marty with the accuracy of things he was sensing.

Surprising how much you people know without knowing anything.

I was unsure of any Dahmer presence, but at the seance, Bobby claimed to reveal

new information about the killing. We killed two more people.

Were the two extra murders merely speculation, or had we uncovered secrets

conversation with a serial killer?