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In this episode of American Greed, the
$81 billion business of mass
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incarceration and how head of prisons
Chris Epps makes a killing in the lock
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-up state of Mississippi.
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Earl Berry has been a career criminal.
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He's known to play for and draw for and
like to crack a lot of jokes.
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He's not doing a lot of joking today.
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What he controlled was just amazing.
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What Epps controls as the state's prison
commissioner is a $350 million a year
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gold mine.
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Chris Epps gives.
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If Epps, their person, should get this
contract, he would.
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And takes.
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Like, he deserved to wear a Rolex watch.
He deserved to drive a Mercedes -Benz.
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condos down in the Gulf Coast.
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Why would one business partner be paying
another business partner's home
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mortgage? That's not out of the goodness
of your heart. That's not an accident.
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Because Chris Epps knows everything from
a bag of chips to a phone call home has
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a price tag.
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All of these services businesses are
competing for and they're worth a lot of
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money. And he's running one of the
largest pay -to -play schemes in
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history. Chris Epps touched everything,
and it turned out almost everything
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Chris Epps touched was corrupt.
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Chris Epps likes to say he's the tallest
hog at the trough.
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At some point, we reminded him that hog
is typically the first to get
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slaughtered.
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At the FBI office in Jackson,
Mississippi, the feds have called a
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meeting with Prison Commissioner
Christopher F., head honcho of the
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Department of Corrections.
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We came up with the scenario to get him
to come meet. He's used to going to
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meetings with public figures. He didn't
necessarily think that something was
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wrong.
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Our initial interaction was very
friendly, and then we just wanted him to
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something real quick.
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Because today's gathering is, in fact, a
carefully constructed ruse.
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For months, the feds have been tapping
his phone and collecting undercover
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video. The results of those efforts are
queued up on the video screen and ready
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to roll.
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And now they tighten the screws.
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We hit play.
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And that was enough for him to go, oh,
no.
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We have video of those who had been
paying the kickbacks to Mr. Epps.
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Handing him cash and having Mr. Adams
just flip through the cash, it was
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appearing. He appeared to be visibly
upset.
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And when I say upset, he was firing,
shaking.
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There's no better persuasion tool than a
video recording. He's not
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a good guy at this point.
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No matter what you may have thought of
him prior to this, he's been on the take
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for the last seven to eight years.
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This is a story about the big business
of locking people up.
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Now that they go by, this don't cross my
mind several, several, several times.
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And how it made Chris Epps very powerful
and rich.
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To understand Chris Epps, it helps to
understand where he came from.
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Epps' life would have been seen as
almost an American success story. I
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grew up in the poorest county in
America, Holmes County, Mississippi.
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Raised on his grandparents' farm, Epps
recalls pulling turnips and feeding
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chickens each morning before school.
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He applies that same hard work ethic to
earn his degree in education before he
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takes a job with the Mississippi
Department of Corrections.
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He begins at the bottom, a lowly guard.
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Epsis said in the past that he was at
first terrified of being around so many
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felons, and with good reason.
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The state penitentiary known as Parchman
has been notorious since 1901.
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Established more for profit than
rehabilitation, according to Jerry
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journalist and MacArthur genius who has
investigated Mississippi prisons for
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years.
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Parchment was a plantation they
essentially converted into a prison with
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the inmates working the fields.
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And by the way, they didn't just work
their fields. They would dole them out
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basically plantations around there.
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In other words, it's a for -profit
scheme.
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They had the inmates working at the
cotton fields from sunup to sundown. And
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state was just raking in the money from
this.
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And they could whip them, and they
actually used that whip up until the
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which is hard to believe, but it's true.
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In 1972, the federal court reminds
Mississippi that slavery is over and
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it to abandon its plantation -era
policies.
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But in Mississippi, reform is a hard
road to hoe.
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Once prisons began to cost money,
Mississippi didn't in turn really want
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these prisons, so you had really
horrible conditions.
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Civil lawsuits on behalf of inmates cite
sewage backups, extreme isolation, and
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dehumanizing conditions.
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And they just open and put us in hell,
man. Look at the flow.
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Dawn,
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she asks that we use only her first
name, has a husband who has served time
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Parchman since 1998.
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She says in the summer, temperatures
inside the prison hit 100 degrees or
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And you watch the older inmates.
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Regardless of their crime, you just
watch them one by one just kind of die
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because they can't take the heat.
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Parchman, I believe, is pretty much the
worst of the worst.
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Climbing the ranks to head of security
at Parchman, Epps witnesses these
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transgressions and more.
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He saw the inmates hungry, fighting mad.
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He saw the sewers backed up. He saw the
leaking roof.
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So he came from knowledge.
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The abuses are as commonplace as they
are shocking.
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Mississippi became one of the first
prisons in the United States to have
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conjugal visits.
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Is it a humanitarian reform, allowing
inmates to connect with their loved
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Not exactly.
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It's a money -making scheme that turns
guards into pimps. The correctional
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officers had someone type up the dummy
marriage certificate and brought in
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prostitutes. And then the guards, of
course, were getting a cut of this.
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Mitchell's sources suggest that
Parchman's culture of corruption twisted
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moral compass.
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I've talked to people who were in
prison, inmates in prison in the 1970s
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Parchment, and they told me Chris Epps
was corrupt way back then. It was
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something that had been going on the
whole time.
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But Epps has learned how things work in
the Mississippi prison system, and he
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has a knack for politics.
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He flies through the ranks collecting a
string of awards, says former
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Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood.
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He was in the National Guard. He served
our state and our country. He was the
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president of the American Corrections
Association.
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And, you know, you love to see somebody
come up and run and start at the bottom.
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Jimmy Gates covered state politics as a
journalist for the Clarion Ledger in
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Jackson. This man was unique in the
sense with his folksy style. You know,
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everybody liked the Chris Epps. You
know, he was loved.
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In the black community, you know, he was
loved in the white community, you know,
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at that time.
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I think he saw himself as being a public
official, you know, maybe even governor
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one day.
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In 2002, Epps is tapped for the number
one post at the MDOC, Commissioner of
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Corrections.
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Next on American Greed, whispers around
the state capitol, how does a humble
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public servant live so large?
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Looking back, I think to drive a $100
,000 car and have a $10 ,000 Rolex watch
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on a state government salary would be
pretty questionable to most folks.
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By 2005, Chris Epps has worked his way
up to the top. As commissioner of the
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Mississippi Department of Corrections,
And he's the only African -American
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director of a Mississippi agency.
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He's an ace at schmoozing legislators.
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Once he became commissioner, he made it
a point that he knew the legislature.
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He knew the names of each legislator's
wives, whether they had kids. You know,
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he was just that folksy kind of type
person, you know, made you feel at ease
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with him.
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He uses that down -home charm even when
delivering tough news, like at this lead
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-up to the execution of Earl Berry, an
inmate on death row.
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Errol Berry has been a career criminal.
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He's known to play for and draw for and
like to play a lot and crack a lot of
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jokes.
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He's not doing a lot of joking today.
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He was able to convince the state
lawmakers to basically give him the
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wanted, the vast majority of the time.
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They loved him.
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It was the same way with the media,
including myself. I just love this guy,
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I'm saying this as a...
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African -American person, you know, just
seeing another African -American male
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doing something that we don't see often
here in the state of Mississippi.
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And Epps has successfully led the state
to one of the lowest costs per inmate in
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the nation, about $41 per day.
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But there's a flip side to that
equation.
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Civil rights lawsuits naming both the
Department of Corrections and Epps
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accuse him of providing grossly
inadequate shelter and sanitation.
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and neglecting mentally ill prisoners.
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Epps fires back in the press saying, the
ACLU hasn't got a clue about running a
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prison. He's cultivated an image as a
straight -talking prisons expert with
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impeccable tastes.
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The guy wore custom -tailored suits.
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He wore a Rolex.
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He drove a Mercedes.
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There's also his gated home in Flowood,
an affluent suburb of Jackson.
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a second Mercedes driven by his wife,
and a waterfront condo on the
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Gulf Coast.
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As a state employee, Epps' take -home
salary is about $132 ,000 a year.
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Looking back, I think to drive a $100
,000 car and to live in a half -million
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-dollar home and have a $10 ,000 Rolex
watch on a state government salary would
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be pretty questionable to most folks.
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In Mississippi, prisons are a big
business.
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The state ranks third in the nation for
the number of people incarcerated per
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capita. With all those people locked up,
the Department of Corrections is
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Mississippi's third largest employer.
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Its annual budget is nearly $350
million.
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More than half is doled out to
government contracts.
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Whether it's commissary or telephones or
medical, all of these services
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businesses are competing for, and
they're worth a lot of money.
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Molly Motley Blythe is with the FBI in
Jackson.
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Whoever gets that, that's their bread
and butter. That's their livelihood.
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The reliance on private contractors
stems from the 1990s tough -on -crime
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sentencing, which caused Mississippi
prisons to overflow.
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Seeking to avoid federal fines for
overcrowding, the state turns to for
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companies to build more prisons.
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There was a huge battle in the
legislature.
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A lot of the corporate interest came in,
spread money around the legislature,
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and they voted to open up private
prisons.
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Now, in his job as commissioner, Chris
Epps seems to have the clout to steer
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contracts to any company he prefers.
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Normally, you know, a public contract,
you're going to have bids, but with the
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Department of Corrections, they allowed
them to have this huge number of no -bid
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contracts. You know, the legislature is
involved with certain things, but for
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the most part, it's hands -off. It's
what they trust in, whatever you want to
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do. In 2007, Epps signs off on a no -bid
contract with a company named GT
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Enterprises, owned by Cecil McCrory.
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Cecil McCrory and Chris Epps, you know,
seem to have some bond. I think it goes
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back to when McCrory was once a
legislator on the Corrections Committee.
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McCrory already has his finger in a lot
of pies.
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Now he's using that good old boy network
to get into business with state
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prisons. With his newly inked contract,
McCrory's company will supply
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merchandise to prison commissaries
throughout Mississippi.
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Inmates are barred from receiving food,
snacks, and toiletries from their
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families. They have to purchase these
items through the commissary.
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Typically inmates don't have much money,
and so this may be coming from families
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or whatever, and so they're buying these
things, but they're gouging them.
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Dawn says she spends $400 each month on
commissary at Parchman because inmates
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like her husband are hungry and don't
get enough food.
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They feed grown men like you would feed
a two -year -old toddler.
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The portion sizes are...
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There's so many things on the tray that
you can't eat. The rice is uncooked. The
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green beans, you never know if you're
going to have a frog head in them.
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mystery meat.
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$400 a month is always hard for Dawn to
manage.
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But when she has to cut back her hours
at work, the commissary is unaffordable,
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and her husband pays the price.
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I have photos of him before and after.
He was...
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and healthy and taking vitamins.
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Once I was unable to provide the
commissary, he shriveled up, just went
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from one human being into a completely
different human being.
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And if he can't afford commissary, then
he's starving, basically.
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Meanwhile, McCrory lives high on the
hog.
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With the commissary contract, his
company, GT Enterprises, gets a 75 % cut
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the profits.
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It amounts to millions made off of
inmates and their families, according to
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later reports by Jerry Mitchell.
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You know, it's just ridiculous prices.
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For example, a six -ounce bag of
barbecue chips cost $1 at a discount
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inmates and their families pay $3 .56
for a five -ounce bag in prison.
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A dollar pack of AAA batteries will set
them back four bucks.
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In 2007 and 2008, McCrory's contract
reels in over $3 .2 million in
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profit. No big contracts. You can just
go to a buddy of yours from high school
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or a brother -in -law and give them a
contract.
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Special Agent Ty Breedlove works with
the FBI in Jackson.
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There's other people that did
commissary, could provide the same
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they were never considered because they
weren't Cecil McCrory.
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Cecil McCrory will later tell the feds
it's around this time in 2007 that Epps
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demands a share of the problem.
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Over the next year, McCrory kicks up $3
,000 or $4 ,000 a month for the GTE
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contract.
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Now, Chris may have had a little lark in
his heart before, but when they began
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this privatization of prisons, that...
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poured money in Mississippi like we
hadn't seen before.
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Coming up on American Greed, Epps and
McCrory target the billion -dollar -for
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-profit prison industry.
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It's just incredible what they did and
how arrogant they got under everyone's
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notice.
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In Mississippi, prison commissioner
Chris Epps and his buddy Cecil McCrory
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partnered in a business of sorts.
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Epps takes to CEO life like a pro, and
why not?
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They're teeing up to make a killing.
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In 2008, McCrory sells his company, GT
Enterprises, to the out -of -state
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provider, Keef Commissaries, scoring a
hefty profit.
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Chris Epps signs the MDOC contract over
to Keefe, but advises that they keep
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McCrory on the payroll as a consultant.
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Darren LaMarca is the U .S. attorney for
the Southern District of Mississippi.
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The larger corporations were told you
need to have someone within Mississippi
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who has access to the commissioner, and
Cecil McCrory was pitched as that
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person, and you need to pay him, whether
it be...
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$2 ,000, $4 ,000, $8 ,000 every month.
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As the feds will later learn, this is
the start of a lucrative pattern,
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according to Mike Hurst.
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The money started flowing from Cecil
McCrory to Epps, and in return, the
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contract started flowing from Chris Epps
to Cecil McCrory.
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Epps expected a portion of that. So they
would meet once a month for coffee.
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They'd meet at Waffle Houses all around
town.
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And they'd show up, and they'd do a
handshake, and cash would go from
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Epps, sit down, have a cup of coffee,
and then they'd go their separate ways.
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But despite selling GT Enterprises,
McCrory hasn't simply sold out to become
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consultant. He has a number of
businesses, including a new entity he
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College Street Leasing.
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And in December 2009, Epps signed a
lease between the MDOC and this new
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of McCrory's.
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College Street Leasing will operate two
transition centers, also known as
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halfway houses, to provide housing and
work programs for male and female
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in the town of Walnut Grove,
Mississippi.
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If prisons are a big business in
Mississippi, they are absolutely huge in
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Grove. The town of 1 ,900 people already
has two prisons nearby.
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Greg Wagner was sheriff of Walnut Grove
for almost 20 years.
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You had a regional prison that was under
me.
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You had a private prison in Walnut
Grove. The transition centers were a
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different story.
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It hadn't been advertised. It was just
done.
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But a lot of things were done that way
under Chris Epps' administration.
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McCrory's company acts sort of like a
work program, providing job
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for inmates.
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But not without taking a cut of the pay.
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McCrory charges them $20 a day for room
and board.
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That's in addition to the $6 per inmate
per day that the state pays McCrory.
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And the work program?
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It's slipshod at best.
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The idea itself was terrible. The
residents of Walnut Grove could go and
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inmate and check them out on a Saturday
morning, have them come clean their
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house, and then return them like a
library book.
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To make matters worse, the books are
checking themselves out of the library.
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That was the men's facility there.
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And they had a cyclone fence.
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They got ready to leave. They just went
out there and jumped over the fence. It
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wasn't a big deal. Well, they would walk
across from there and then come, like,
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downtown and just walk around like they
were free people.
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Meanwhile, Epps promotes the transition
centers as part of MDOC's cost -saving
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agenda. When Chris would go to the
legislature, Chris got what he wanted.
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It seemed like it didn't matter.
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But when Chris wasn't around the
legislators, and it was a meeting, say,
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just a group of sheriffs, it was all
about Chris.
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That side came out. He would say, I'm
the tallest hog at the trough.
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Now, that's a southern colloquial term,
but what he's meaning is I am the most
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important person in this room.
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That sense of being untouchable also
applies to the lesser hogs on Epps'
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This building here, this was the women's
facility.
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Grady Sims is the mayor of Walnut Grove
and warden of this transition center.
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I cautioned Grady about the inmates out
on the streets.
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And Grady would just kind of brush it
off what he thought was that Chris Epps
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was going to cover him if anything
happened.
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In November 2009, Sheriff Greg Wagoner
gets a visit from a local woman.
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She had been an employee down there, and
they'd let her go.
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And she was ready to tell me what was
going on.
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It seems Grady Sims, the mayor slash
warden, has been checking a female
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out of one of the transition centers and
into a local no -tell motel.
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It's an explosive allegation.
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The sheriff immediately contacts John
Hunt.
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One of Mississippi Department of
Corrections' own investigators.
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Together, they launch a case looking
into the suspected sex abuse.
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But just as things are gathering steam,
Hunt informs him their case has been
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shut down.
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So what are you talking about?
Everything that you've uncovered is
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more and more felonies. You don't just
stop it. He said, I know.
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But he stopped.
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Turned around and walked out.
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Who killed their case?
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The sheriff has just one suspect,
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Chris Epps, Commissioner of the
Department of Corrections.
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It was obvious to me that that came from
Commissioner Epps. He wouldn't have
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shut it down without Chris Epps wanting
to shut it down.
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I knew at that point I couldn't just
allow this to go on.
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FBI Special Agent Ty Breedlove remembers
hearing the sheriff's story.
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The case was progressing as it should.
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The only thing that was different was
getting the call from Commissioner Epps
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saying, you can stand down, we're not
investigating that.
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He says Chris Epps not only shuts down
the investigation, he rubs it in when he
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runs into the chief investigator, John
Hunt, at work.
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John Hunt was leaving his office at the
Department of Corrections, and he sees
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Commissioner Epps smoking a cigar and
yelled across the parking lot, and he
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says, there goes John Hunt. He always
gets his man and starts laughing, and
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just kind of laughed.
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you know, back and then got in the car
and was like, son of a bitch.
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We figured the person that could fill in
the missing pieces would be Mayor Sims
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himself.
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When confronted, Grady Sims strikes a
deal and pleads guilty to federal
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tampering. It triggers the start of a
federal probe into McCrory and F.
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They dub it Operation Mississippi
Hustle.
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Luckily, people like to talk in the
hospitality state.
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You start hearing the same things, and
then you start hearing things about Epps
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telling people that his mortgage has
been paid off or that he may have a
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on the coast and he's driving very
flashy vehicles.
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Everything that Cecil McCrory did
involved corrections, and it had to be
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with Commissioner Epps' approval.
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Their relationship could explain Epps
deep -sixing the investigation of Grady
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Sims. Cecil McCrory was trying to sell
that facility, and they didn't need more
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bad publicity. They had several people
escape.
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And then now you had the sexual assault
allegations.
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We knew that Cecil was making a living
off of his relationship with the
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commissioner of the Mississippi
Department of Corrections.
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Prosecutors combed through McCrory's
bank finances.
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Our financial analyst was going through,
I mean, thousands and thousands of
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pages of records.
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Going back to July of 2008, Cecil
McCrory withdrew a cashier's check from
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personal bank account in the amount of
$100 ,000.
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The check is made payable to Countrywide
Bank, which holds the mortgage on Epps'
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Flowood home.
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I remember her calling me right from
down the hall saying, I found it, I
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it. And I ran down to her office, and
she had found wire transfers that Cecil
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McCrory had made directly to Chris Epps'
home mortgage.
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Why would one business partner be paying
another business partner's home
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mortgage? That's not out of the goodness
of your heart. That's not an accident.
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The last one was the exact amount to pay
off Commissioner Epps' home when you
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were on to something.
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There was some celebratory dancing at
the U .S. Attorney's Office, and Mike
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Hurst did a little dance. I don't
recommend that you all ever see that,
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was very excited about it.
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Next on American Greed, the money rolls
in.
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Epps had so much money coming in, he
didn't know what to do with all of it.
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suddenly, friends shift allegiance.
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This relationship had existed for so
long, there was no reason for Epps not
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trust him.
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By 2013,
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Chris Epps is America's longest -serving
prison commissioner, withstanding both
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Democratic and Republican governors.
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One constant has been an increasing
reliance on for -profit private prisons.
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Three different private contractors have
operated East Mississippi since it
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opened, including Management Training
Corp. and GEO.
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Those were probably the biggest
contracts MDOC awarded, and Cecil was a
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consultant for all of those companies.
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Management and training court, and they
came into business. McCrory asked for $6
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,000 a month, and Epps said that's way
too low.
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So he called McCrory back later and
said, I got us $12 ,000. He literally
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I got us $12 ,000, because they split
it. So McCrory still got his six, but
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got his six.
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The more money that Cecil made... the
more money he could give back to
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Commissioner Epps.
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Chris Epps and his buddy Cecil McCrory
don't know it, but the feds have
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wiretapped their phones, and they're
tracking every move.
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We had a few other people that we
suspected that were doing the same thing
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Epps, so we put together a pretty big
chart.
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It turns out McCrory is just the tip of
the proverbial iceberg.
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The kickbacks don't just involve
McCrory's companies and out -of -state
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consulting contracts, but also lobbyists
and elected officials, including
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Mississippi movers and shakers like
Teresa Malone, the wife of a former
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lawmaker. Teresa Malone was an intended
beneficiary of what her husband was able
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to do for Mr. Epps.
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Herb Benjamin, a former state senator.
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Dr. Carl Reddix, a physician who
provides medical care for inmates at
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prisons.
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Dr. Reddix actually paid Mr.
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Epps thousands of dollars each month.
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And Sam Wagoner, a distant cousin of the
Leak County Sheriff.
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You have a $40 ,000 wire transfer to the
commissioner from one of the subjects,
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and then two days later there's a
contract that gets approved.
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While Epps and McCrory's scheme is
driven by greed, former Attorney General
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Hood points the finger at more than $3
billion in revenue earned by the
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private prisons.
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Those companies will pay a lot to get
one of those contracts.
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That's been the root of a lot of evil in
our prison system.
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In March, FBI agents initiate a meeting
with Cecil McCrory.
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It was all about, let's get Cecil first,
then we can probably figure out who
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else is dirty.
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Agents asked him about Chris Epps and if
he knows anything about kickbacks or
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bribes. He was just like, absolutely
not. I don't know what you're talking
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about. We rolled out the sheet of
transactions and pointed to the mortgage
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payment.
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And McCrory said, well, I might know a
little something about that.
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Not only did he fill in missing pieces
about...
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His bribe payments, at that point it
became clear, Dr. Reddick's, Herb
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Theresa Malone, everybody that had been
on our radar, they were giving him money
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he wasn't entitled to.
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McCrory spells out how he eventually
became the bag man for all of Epps'
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cronies. Cecil told us that Commissioner
Epps was just getting bribes from
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everybody. He didn't know what to do
with the money, so he asked them to
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it and then wire it up to his investment
account.
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Coffee became their code for let's get
together and you pay me my money.
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According to McCrory, those handoffs
could amount to shocking amounts of
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and at those Waffle House meetings, the
money now flows from Epps to McCrory.
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It's still Epps' money, but McCrory is
helping him deposit it.
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One time, Epps brings him a gift, a
duffel bag that McCrory mistakes for a
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souvenir. It was swag that you get at
these conferences, and Cecil was like,
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well, I don't need another bag, so he
didn't pay any attention to it. So they
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00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:44,950
have their coffee, and then they get up
to leave.
446
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,280
McCrory had left the bag behind when
Epps stopped him at the door.
447
00:30:49,281 --> 00:30:51,939
The commissioner looks at Cecil and
says, hey, where's your bag?
448
00:30:51,940 --> 00:30:53,620
He's like, go get the bag right now.
449
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,490
And so Cecil goes back in, and he's
like, what's the big deal with this bag?
450
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,819
Opens it up, there's $40 ,000 in cash in
the bag with a note that has all the
451
00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:07,060
wiring instructions for Commissioner
Epps' investment account retirement
452
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:16,199
During Epps' reign, the cost of inmate
phone calls had reported to have risen
453
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,480
$14 a minute.
454
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,110
Investigators learned Epps takes a
percentage of those profits, too.
455
00:31:22,540 --> 00:31:27,679
Even the supply of urine test cups
includes a lucrative kickback to the
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00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,800
commissioner. It involved inmate health
care.
457
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,660
It involved the telephone system, the
private prisons.
458
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,539
Chris Epps touched everything, and it
turned out almost everything Chris Epps
459
00:31:40,540 --> 00:31:42,420
touched was corrupt.
460
00:31:43,420 --> 00:31:49,000
Meanwhile, Chris Epps resorts to
stashing all that cash at banks around
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00:31:49,660 --> 00:31:53,859
He was taking those bribes back to his
home, and then he would deposit those
462
00:31:53,860 --> 00:32:00,379
into multiple bank accounts. One example
is July 30, 2009, and he made four
463
00:32:00,380 --> 00:32:06,959
stops at four different bank branches
and deposited $9 ,000 at each
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00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,120
bank branch.
465
00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:11,600
So $36 ,000 on his drive into work.
466
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:16,949
He knew that if you deposit cash in
amounts of $10 ,000 or more, it would
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00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:19,660
trigger a reporting requirement from the
local bank.
468
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:23,330
He was getting money from so many
sources, I don't know how he kept up
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00:32:24,450 --> 00:32:26,250
Next on American Greed.
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There's always this comment about the
tallest hog in the trough, and so at
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00:32:31,330 --> 00:32:35,349
point we reminded him that hog is
typically the first to get slaughtered.
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00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:36,400
more greed?
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Follow us on Instagram, connect with us
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Greed Podcast wherever you get your
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00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:45,710
We'll be right back.
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00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:59,650
In 2014, as feds watched the money from
kickbacks and bribes pass hands,
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00:33:00,010 --> 00:33:03,510
investigators nicknamed Chris Epps Big
Money.
478
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:05,060
The Wire.
479
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,060
had been up 60 days, and we had compiled
plenty of evidence.
480
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,899
He is a smart guy, and if we laid out
everything we have, he's going to say, I
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00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:17,460
have no choice but to cooperate.
482
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,419
They call Epps to a meeting with the FBI
under the ruse they're investigating a
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00:33:22,420 --> 00:33:23,760
possible death threat.
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00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,130
We were all excited.
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00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,120
This is the room we used, and...
486
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,959
We had a video ready and queued up for
the moment that we were going to tell
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00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,300
we knew what he'd been up to.
488
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:40,119
As soon as the video started playing, he
broke out to a sweat and began wiping
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00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,800
his forehead with a handkerchief.
490
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,900
I can remember the video we chose.
491
00:33:44,420 --> 00:33:48,320
He was in his car, and he's wearing his
National Guard shirt.
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00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:50,860
He was retired from the National Guard.
493
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,460
And he giggles in the video when he
takes the cash.
494
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:55,750
He's just giddy.
495
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,340
That was the $18 ,000 bribe payment that
we had given him just a few days prior.
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00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,759
The juxtaposition between what was on
the screen and the way his face looked
497
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:13,198
when he saw it would make anybody feel
sad because it was a very hard moment
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00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:17,000
him to understand that he was in big
trouble.
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00:34:17,260 --> 00:34:21,060
Faced with the insurmountable evidence,
Epps agrees to flip sides.
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00:34:21,460 --> 00:34:24,440
We went back to his house. We took...
501
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:29,739
$65 ,000 from his safe that day. We put
the titles to both of his Mercedes.
502
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,380
Quite a few things started happening
right from the very first day.
503
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,638
Like how Epps seemed to enjoy the power
that comes with being a government
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00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,619
informer. A lot of times when you're
putting a wire on somebody, it takes
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00:34:42,620 --> 00:34:43,439
an hour.
506
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,760
Not with the commissioner.
507
00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:48,860
That would be like a three -hour
conversation because he loved to talk.
508
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,500
And he was super nice, but...
509
00:34:52,219 --> 00:34:56,099
Listening to him on the Title III on the
wire, you got a little bit different
510
00:34:56,100 --> 00:35:00,160
taste of his personality because he did
bully other people that he worked with.
511
00:35:00,161 --> 00:35:03,579
You know, he would kind of hang up and
then kind of laugh, like, don't mess
512
00:35:03,580 --> 00:35:05,940
me. You know, I'm the tallest hog at the
trough.
513
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,960
We'd heard it firsthand.
514
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,019
And so at some point we reminded him
that hog is typically the first to get
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00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:14,070
slaughtered.
516
00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:19,280
And he had never thought about that. But
he's not wrong. He was corrections.
517
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:21,950
And nobody questioned anything he did.
518
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:28,549
But as Epps amassed his network of
cronies, he's created a system that's
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00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:30,810
dangerous for both staff and prisoners.
520
00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:36,129
Jerry Mitchell and reporters at the
Clarion Ledger publish a series on
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00:35:36,130 --> 00:35:37,210
Mississippi prisons.
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00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:44,649
We ran a huge package of stories and
just delineated corruption, beatings,
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00:35:44,650 --> 00:35:48,010
violence, just all these things that
were happening behind bars.
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00:35:48,830 --> 00:35:54,349
Reporters ask Epps whether low -paid
officers are susceptible to bribes. Epps
525
00:35:54,350 --> 00:35:58,429
says, I believe it's the character of
the individual that makes a person
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00:35:58,430 --> 00:36:00,410
susceptible to many things.
527
00:36:01,050 --> 00:36:03,370
That was rather ironic, wasn't it?
528
00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:09,389
On November 5, 2014, Chris Epps quits
his job as commissioner at the
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00:36:09,390 --> 00:36:12,070
Department of Corrections without
notice.
530
00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:18,599
A day later, Chris Epps and Cecil
McCrory are indicted on allegations of
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00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,360
fraud, bribery, money laundering, and
tax evasion.
532
00:36:22,820 --> 00:36:28,479
U .S. attorneys point to nearly $1
billion worth of private prison
533
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,980
almost $1 million in bribes.
534
00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:38,539
Literally like 10 days after our series
ended, the corrections commissioner
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00:36:38,540 --> 00:36:40,760
was indicted by a federal grand jury.
536
00:36:41,610 --> 00:36:43,370
So what can I say?
537
00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:46,770
To me, that was just proof. All this
corruption was true.
538
00:36:46,771 --> 00:36:49,369
Everybody knew there was others
involved.
539
00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:53,549
The FBI, you know, the U .S. Attorney's
Office, you know, they would just tell
540
00:36:53,550 --> 00:36:55,660
us, just hold on, you know, more is
coming.
541
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:59,930
Up next, Chris Epps gets caught
pilfering again.
542
00:36:59,931 --> 00:37:04,289
Why Chris Epps would want to steal while
he's on probation for a billion -dollar
543
00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:07,890
public corruption case. That doesn't
make sense. It defies logic.
544
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:28,019
On November 6, 2014, Chris Epps and
Cecil McClory appear in U .S. District
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00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:33,160
Court in Jackson, Mississippi, on a 49
-count federal indictment.
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00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:37,339
Again, this wasn't just a Mississippi
public corruption case. This is
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00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:42,679
that had national implications because
many businesses from outside the state
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00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,999
Mississippi were participating.
549
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,580
In our office, our job is really just
beginning.
550
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,940
The indictment is just the opening
salvo.
551
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:57,059
Epson McCrory plead not guilty and are
released on bail, but each could face
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00:37:57,060 --> 00:38:00,360
more than 200 years behind bars if
convicted.
553
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,880
I sat in the courtroom the other day,
you know, when the former commissioner,
554
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,359
you know, the commissioner that I looked
up to, you know, with shackles on his
555
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,200
legs, you know, how could this have
happened, you know?
556
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,579
But even with the specter of a prison
sentence looming, Epps hasn't lost his
557
00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:24,959
swagger. He shows up to federal court
wearing his Rolex watch that a state
558
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,860
employee has somehow bought and who's
claiming his innocence in federal court.
559
00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:35,419
That was Chris Epps. A few days later,
the former commissioner strides into his
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00:38:35,420 --> 00:38:37,700
local Mercedes -Benz dealership.
561
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,860
They had their car seized and house
seized.
562
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,299
He went out and got his wife another
Mercedes Benz, and we found out about
563
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:47,380
and reported that too.
564
00:38:47,580 --> 00:38:49,000
It was just incredible.
565
00:38:50,140 --> 00:38:52,980
This is not the only trouble Epps steps
in.
566
00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:59,059
I guess he got the idea that he could go
back to his old house, which was in
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00:38:59,060 --> 00:39:03,400
possession of the Marshal Service, and
get his old landscaping lights.
568
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,279
So he went back over there, lifted the
garage open, and he ripped the circuit
569
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,039
board out of the wall and then went out
and pulled up all the lights.
570
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,360
He's on probation for a billion -dollar
public corruption case.
571
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,040
It doesn't make sense. It defies logic.
572
00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:23,099
Again, his arrogance is the reason he
did that. He thought he could go back to
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00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:27,579
that house that the government owned and
get some of his property because he was
574
00:39:27,580 --> 00:39:28,630
Chris Epps.
575
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,360
Epps is arrested and charged with
burglary.
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00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,640
This time, the judge denies the bail.
577
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,619
Over the next three years, a host of
players are sentenced in the bribery
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00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:45,979
scandal. This entire investigation ended
up being the largest, most complex, far
579
00:39:45,980 --> 00:39:49,650
-reaching public corruption
investigation in Mississippi's history.
580
00:39:49,651 --> 00:39:53,079
I tell you, God is our witness. We're
going to come after the other corrupt
581
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,759
politicians, and we're going to clean up
this state for our kids and our
582
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:03,309
grandkids. Former legislator Herb
Benjamin is sentenced to six years for
583
00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:07,390
Epps in connection with drug treatment
programs and consulting contracts.
584
00:40:08,250 --> 00:40:13,209
Dr. Carl Reddix is sentenced to six
years for paying kickbacks to Epps in
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00:40:13,210 --> 00:40:16,850
exchange for providing care to inmates
at East Mississippi.
586
00:40:17,610 --> 00:40:24,009
In 2016, Teresa Dolan Malone, the widow
of a former state rep, is sentenced to
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00:40:24,010 --> 00:40:28,130
three years, five months for giving
bribes to Epps through McCrory.
588
00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:31,890
She confessed in the same way that the
others did.
589
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:36,109
She would say she did work, but there's
no records of anything actually
590
00:40:36,110 --> 00:40:40,269
occurring. And then she would pay Epps.
And in her mind, it just didn't make
591
00:40:40,270 --> 00:40:42,190
sense that she had done anything wrong.
592
00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:47,030
Agent Molly Motley -Blythe says Epps
gave a similar response.
593
00:40:47,650 --> 00:40:52,110
We had lengthy conversations where he
would explain that this was just a tip.
594
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,920
This was just a thank you for allowing
us to work in Mississippi.
595
00:40:58,380 --> 00:41:03,340
Attorney General Jim Hood sued companies
associated with the bribery scandal,
596
00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:09,119
saying they owed nearly a billion
dollars in revenue due to Mississippi's
597
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,170
-racketeering laws.
598
00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:14,500
These three companies had $660 million
contracts.
599
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:16,780
It's a lot of money in Mississippi.
600
00:41:16,781 --> 00:41:18,809
They weren't Mississippi companies.
601
00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:22,149
So they saw the money flowing in
Mississippi, and they came in and took
602
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:23,200
advantage of it.
603
00:41:23,490 --> 00:41:28,929
I made them pay not only the profit, but
in many instances, their whole
604
00:41:28,930 --> 00:41:29,980
contracts.
605
00:41:30,310 --> 00:41:35,289
None of the companies admit to
wrongdoing, and no criminal charges were
606
00:41:35,290 --> 00:41:36,340
against them.
607
00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:40,350
Many assert that their contracts were
not linked to kickbacks.
608
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:44,210
But most agreed to settle, and in 2019,
609
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:48,490
Hood's office recovers $26 million in
settlements.
610
00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:53,229
Cecil McCrory is sentenced to eight and
a half years in prison for money
611
00:41:53,230 --> 00:41:59,169
laundering. Federal prosecutors
recommended a lenient sentence for Chris
612
00:41:59,170 --> 00:42:00,430
light of his cooperation.
613
00:42:01,010 --> 00:42:02,830
But the judge disagrees.
614
00:42:03,350 --> 00:42:07,849
In 2017, Chris Epps, the man who spent
three decades running Mississippi
615
00:42:07,850 --> 00:42:12,210
prisons, is sentenced to just under 20
years behind bars.
616
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,700
For Dawn, whose husband served time at
Parchman, justice was slow and costly.
617
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,260
These are our mothers, our daughters.
618
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:29,239
Just like the men or our husbands, he
just felt like he was untouchable, like
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00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:35,060
could just do whatever he wanted to do
to the inmates, to the inmates'
620
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,200
and get away with it for all those
years.
621
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,259
The problem was with these kickbacks,
the money wasn't going back into the
622
00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:48,140
prison system, and so it's all of
society that suffered by that
623
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:54,579
Whenever somebody who's in public power
is lining their pockets, everybody who
624
00:42:54,580 --> 00:42:55,629
believed in them suffers.
625
00:42:55,630 --> 00:43:00,180
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