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In this episode of American Greed.

I'm just a demon.

Keith Raniere is Vanguard.

Everything was, thank you, Vanguard. Even though the guy wasn't in the room,

was like the Wizard of Oz.

He is the self -proclaimed smartest man in the world.

He was the most ethical. He was the highest minded. He looked up at the

and saw through them.

A godlike figure to his followers who funneled millions to his self -help

People gave him money, like piles and piles, to do what he wanted with.

But as former insiders now reveal, he uses it to fuel his most dangerous

appetites. For Keith Raniere, this was about sex, money, and power.

A multi -million dollar financial machine.

The members were brainwashed, kept on starvation diets.

That funds unspeakable crimes.

And branded them with his initials. Everything in my body is a get out.

It's party time in Puerto Vallarta.

High season.

Spring break.

We're just off the beach in a luxury villa.

The party's over.

Mexican police burst through the door.

They hold a woman at gunpoint in the bedroom.

But it's a man that they're looking for.

And he's hiding in the closet.

he was willing to basically sacrifice her for himself in that moment.

Eventually, the police do get that man.

Let's go in the car.

We're going to follow them.

The orgy planned for that evening will have to wait.

Let's go, you guys.

It is the beginning of the bitter end for a man who minutes earlier seems to

have the world at his fingertips.

Keith Allen Ranieri is a world -renowned guru, a sort of life coach with an

edge. I'm very devilish, and I think I'm probably the worst coach in the world

because I'm just a demon.

He's the leader of an organization with a strange name.

and an even stranger spelling, Nexium, offering self -improvement courses based

on a philosophy called rational inquiry, patent pending, that Ranieri sells on

YouTube. I'm curious, why do you call rational inquiry a technology?

You could call it a methodology, too. But a technology, if you look

at the definition of the word, I think technology fits.

I was there from the beginning of the program in 1998.

Businesswoman Angela Ucci swears by the training.

Rational inquiry was a systematic approach to looking at

your issues in a rational way that would have you shine light on

where you developed them yourself and why they might not be rational.

Don't quite understand it? Keith Raniere is here to help. He bills himself as

the smartest man in the world with an IQ of 240.

Not one, but three degrees from the prestigious Rensselaer Polytechnic

in upstate New York. A child judo prodigy and a concert -level pianist who

demonstrates his talent.

But despite his innumerable skills, he claims to live like a monk, a

No need for material wealth when one holds the keys to higher consciousness,

which Ranieri shares in videos like this to spread his teachings.

All the things that happen in life on this earth are really an

exercise in oneself with oneself.

I loved the program.

It had emotional components, it had philosophical components, and then it

practical components of goal setting.

The programs attract some wealthy, well -connected participants, according to

former NXIVM publicist Frank Parlato.

So they had quite a flow of money.

Emiliano Salinas, the son of the former president of Mexico.

Alejandro Betancourt, who was the son of a financier.

NXIVM training centers spring up across North America with big names

from business and government reportedly taking

courses.

But to get the full effect, you have to come here to NXIVM headquarters outside

Albany, New York, where new recruits go through a 16 -day marathon boot camp of

sorts known as an intensive.

Students started at 7 in the morning and stayed until 9, 10 at night, 16 days in

a row.

Only after their indoctrination are they allowed to meet the man himself, the

revered leader Keith Raniere.

He was the most ethical. He was the highest minded. He looked up at the

and saw through them.

Nectium Strange sessions follow what are known as the rules and rituals.

We would clap at the beginning or the end of a class.

We would also do the bow to each other, and it was designed after Keith's

martial arts background.

Also borrowing from the martial arts, every member wears a colored sash,

signifying their rank.

So you had a white sash as a student, and then you went to yellow as a coach,

and then orange as a trainer.

I do know that some people were vehemently against them.

We discussed that people are going to say that we're a cult if we have these

things.

Unlike a judo belt that's based on skills, NXIVM sashes are based on money.

Even the entry -level white sash doesn't come cheap.

The introductory course alone runs as much as $10 ,000, and no one ever

graduates.

You take a $5 ,000 course, and as soon as you were done with that, you'd be

now you're really ready to take the next one.

It's easy to rack up a six -figure tab in a year, but trainers can make some of

that money back by recruiting new students.

Trainers made, let's call it a commission.

On the program.

But out of that commission, trainers have to cover expenses like the hotel

meeting room.

At NXIVM, it appears that the path to higher consciousness takes the shape of

pyramid.

Is it a pyramid scheme?

It's possible that yes, it is. It was, it had a, I'm going to say it was

definitely pyramidical in nature.

It was structured as a multi -level marketing program that was probably

pyramid in the sense that nobody but Ranieri and a couple at the top made any

kind of a living wage.

To Ranieri's most devoted adherents, none of that matters.

They follow him to the quiet suburban subdivision where he lives in this

unassuming townhome.

He owns no car, not even a driver's license.

But it's not so bad.

When he lived here, there were 20 or 30 women who had similar townhomes.

Did he want something to eat? Five or six women would vie for the privilege.

Should he want his feet massaged, he could call upon 20 women, and each would

hope for that opportunity to touch his precious feet.

In NXIVM, it takes a village.

Next on American Greed, Keith Raniere's twisted path from prodigy

to pitchman and ultimately purveyor of a toxic philosophy that will shock the

world. The women have to learn how to humiliate themselves.

In this quiet subdivision outside Albany, New York, NXIVM has taken root,

to higher consciousness in the shape of a pyramid.

Founder Keith Raniere lives here with his most ardent followers, most of whom

happen to be women.

He had dozens of women who wanted to have nothing more than just a half an

of his time. He had women fighting to do his laundry.

There are early morning walks and evening volleyball games.

And there's gossip.

Robert Gavin is a reporter with the Albany Times Union.

There was a lot of questions about this guy. Who is this guy?

And there was a lot more questions than there were answers. But the answers that

we did know were not overly flattering.

After graduating from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in 1982,

Ranieri learns the basics of multi -level marketing as an Amway

By 1990, he has an idea for a business of his own.

Hello, I'm Eddie Albert. With a pitch from aging 60s TV star Eddie Albert,

Ranieri launches Consumers Buy Life, a buying club where members pay a monthly

fee to get discounts on all kinds of products.

His idea is not fancy.

It's a simple one, practical.

Full of common sense.

The real money comes when members recruit new members and collect

Classic multi -level marketing.

Tony Natale is an early employee, captivated by Ranieri from their first

meeting.

When I said to him, so I don't understand, you know, you have a 240 IQ.

You could be curing cancer. God gifted you with this brilliant talent.

And he said, this is going to be...

how I'm going to try to change the world. And don't you want to come along?

And, you know, that was the hook.

So much so that Natali leaves her husband, moves to Albany, and becomes

Ranieri's girlfriend.

At its peak, Consumer's Byline boasts 250 ,000 members.

Keith Ranieri claims to be a multimillionaire in his 30s.

But there are complaints about high -pressure sales tactics.

Some members say they're not getting paid.

Twenty -three states launch investigations.

In 1996, Ranieri settled with the state of New York without admitting wrongdoing

for $40 ,000 and a promise to get out of the multi -level marketing business in

the state for good.

He was not supposed to be involved in that sort of thing again.

Consumers Byline teaches Ranieri a tough lesson.

Just not the one the Attorney General had in mind, according to former NXIVM

consultant Joe O 'Hara.

When he got caught on consumer byline, his name was on everything.

And so his takeaway from that was, well, the next time I do something, I'm not

going to have my name on anything.

Within months, a new multi -level health products business launches with Tony

Natale at the helm.

and Keith Bernieri serving as a consultant.

But in their personal life, as she will later claim in a court filing, he

becomes abusive.

He is also spending more time with a client, a local nurse named Nancy

cooking up another multi -level venture whose product is the meaning of life.

Finally, Natale breaks off their relationship.

leaving Ranieri to focus on the business with Salzman.

It's called NXIVM.

I do this, and it's with a twisted sense of pleasure.

On paper, Salzman is the CEO.

He takes the title prefect.

Ranieri proclaims himself a vanguard.

In these videos, sharing the philosophy with members, he dreams up the

curriculum. Also, everyone who claims victimhood is an abuser, and every

is a type of victim.

And she sells it as NXIVM's top recruiter.

Everyone who claims victimhood is an abuser, and every abuser is a type of

victim.

Vanguard's teachings delve into the differences between the sexes.

So men see women as not able to deal with responsibility.

That is true, and the reason why is because men keep them away from it,

was necessary in the jungle.

In 2002, NXIVM lands its most important women yet.

Sisters Claire and Sarah Brockman, heiresses to the multi -billion dollar

Seagram's Liquor Fortune.

The sisters don't respond to inquiries from American greed.

Angela Ucci is one of their earliest trainers.

Sarah was in love with love.

Sarah's a sweetie.

When Claire came into the company, she was a showjumper with horses, and she

pretty well acclaimed.

Keith convinced her that showjumping wasn't for the highest good, and she

decided to come on more full -time with the company.

The sisters are spending more time with NXIVM, and they're spending more money,

family money, the kind of money that attracts attention.

And I went, is that real?

When American Greed returns, the women of NXIVM.

I felt like I met the people that I was going to be working with to change the

world. They join for a purpose.

But Keith Raniere has a purpose of his own.

When Keith approached people sexually, he knew full well their background

and their psychology.

In just five years, Keith Raniere's self -help group, NXIVM, has gained a

worldwide following, including Claire and Sarah Brofman, the youngest

of billionaire businessman and philanthropist Edgar Brofman Sr.

In 2003, the old man decides to see what all the fuss is about.

The girls wanted to work on their relationship with him.

Their dad came to a training in New York City, and I coached his group.

Initially, Brockman seems impressed, and NXIVM appears ready to take off.

They bring on board consultant Joe O 'Hara as a fixer of sorts.

You come to me with your problem, I will go find the solution.

NXIVM also welcomes a national reporter from Forbes magazine.

People thought, in fact, that it was going to be a positive article until it

came out.

There on the cover of the October issue of Forbes is Keith Raniere, the world's

strangest executive coach.

NXIVM is described as a cult of personality.

All the sordid details are there.

Consumers byline, the rules and rituals.

The article says the 17 -hour days and sleepless nights drive several students

over the edge.

At least one is hospitalized for psychiatric treatment.

It was a bad article.

It was about as bad as you can get.

The article claims Claire Brockman has loaned the group $2 million, which she

denies.

Edgar Brockman's quote about Nectium hits hardest of all.

I think it's a cult.

Keith blamed their father.

for turning it into a negative article, and it became a bone of contention with

them and their dad.

Bernieri tells Forbes that NXIVM is nothing like a cult, but the damage is

And Joe O 'Hara is finding the problems may go deeper.

There's a tremendous amount of money going through this corporation, and they

are doing some things that are pretty dodgy.

Like the fact that NXIVM is made up of dozens of corporations, apparently part

of a dubious tax strategy.

I think by 2004, I had uncovered 40

-something companies, and I was being asked to set up more of them.

Ranieri may have no wealth to his own name, but Claire Brockman owns an island

in the South Pacific at Vanguard's disposal.

I was invited on a walk with him early on.

It turns out he is no celibate monk.

When Keith approached people...

sexually. He knew full well their background and their psychology.

Angela Ucci shuts him down.

She's surprised by his response.

He went on to say, and I'm going to ask you to make an agreement right now to

never repeat this conversation to anyone else.

But in rational inquiry, secrets are a no -no. We taught that secrets

separate you from your full self -expression.

It is one of Uchi's first indications that all may not be quite what it seems.

Vanguard, happy, happy birthday.

In NXIVM, Keith Raniere's birthday doesn't just warrant a party. It's part

10 -day celebration every August known as Vanguard Week.

Keith is on stage and people are bringing up gifts.

And then the Brockman sisters come out.

All they've got is a big piece of cardboard, like those checks you see

people win the lottery. And they flip it over, and they had just given Keith $20

million.

And I went,

is that real?

It's real, all right.

Though officially it represents a future charitable donation.

But even that giant check doesn't seem to be enough.

The way I would describe Keith Raniere, he's one of those people that can't

afford to win.

Because when he wins, he has to put it all back in.

Like when the Brockmans lend him $65 million to play the commodities market,

he loses it all.

He falsely claims Edgar Brockman Sr.

must have rigged the market to spite him.

The loan is not repaid.

Claire was perfect for Keith to take advantage of her issue because her dad

didn't really like her that much. Now she's got big daddy Keith.

Bronfman Money supercharges a strategy Ranieri has been employing for years,

dragging his enemies through legal hell.

They were able to just continue to sue them and sue them and sue them over

everything you could think of.

After Ranieri's bitter breakup with Tony Natale, a judge finds that Ranieri

relentlessly harasses her, even after she declares bankruptcy.

Normally, the process takes a few months, a chance to make a fresh start.

But Ranieri sues her in bankruptcy court for fraud, tying up her case for years.

The judge says it all smacks of a jilted fellow's attempt at revenge.

O 'Hara claims other enemies become the targets of aggressive private

investigators.

What I know is enough for me to quit.

But what really scared me is all the things I didn't know.

But walking away from NXIVM is much easier said than done.

The lawyers come after him.

They kept changing law firms. We would start all over again.

Motions up.

the wazoo every week there was a new motion for something my legal fees

to run a hundred thousand a month in the end o 'hara says he has no choice but

to declare bankruptcy too that was about as low as i think i can remember being

in my life former nexium consultant frank parlato tells a similar story

he is fired and dragged through the courts including criminal fraud charges

he denies but are still pending.

He decides to fight back by launching a blog.

And I realized if they would do this to me, who else is being victimized?

But Vanguard has no time right now for such earthly concerns.

Up next, new friends in high places.

Maybe he really is a guru.

It's a red -letter day in Albany, New York.

The line outside the Palace Theater wrapped around three blocks.

His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibet, has traveled

miles to Albany.

With him on stage are Claire and Sarah Brothman.

And in the front row, Keith Raniere and Nancy Salzman, the leaders of NXIVM. It

is a spectacular public relations coup.

Maybe he really is a guru.

But it almost doesn't happen.

The headlines announcing his visit are quickly followed by headlines calling

NXIVM... Cult -like.

Several local venues refuse to host the event.

His Holiness reads the papers too, and he abruptly cancels.

Inside NXIVM, the problems go deeper.

Nine of its longest -serving members, including Angela Ucci, say the

organization has lost its way.

There was sexual stuff. There was business stuff. There was secrecy.

And not unlike consumers byline more than a decade ago, many say they are not

being paid to the tune of more than $2 million.

They owed us commission money. They owed me trainer money.

Uchi and the others decide to confront Ranieri.

And they record the whole thing.

But what I'm trying to say, though, Keith, is that we believe that there are

certain problems.

Ranieri does not take it well.

I've been shot at because of my beliefs.

I've had to make choices. Should I have bodyguards? Should I have them armed or

not?

I've had people killed because of my beliefs.

I think what he was doing is he was being a peacock like he is, being, you

how great I am and how big I am and how important I am.

Let's be honest, if he had anyone killed, do you think he would have said

a meeting to all of us?

The women decide they have no choice but to quit.

The highest ranking defectors yet.

They come to be known as the NXIVM -9.

And if they don't get their money, they will go to the press.

But Keith Raniere isn't worried.

The Dalai Lama has agreed to come after all, after Raniere leads a delegation to

see him.

I believe it was three people, including one Bronfman.

Within days of the event, a new charity appears in New York State, the Dalai

Lama Trust.

His office does not respond to American Greed, but issued a statement in 2018

saying no money changed hands.

Regardless. NXIVM is raking it in with new programs tailored specifically for

women, for men, for children, even for actors.

They include Allison Mack, known for TV's Smallville, and Canadian actress

Sarah Edmondson.

I was immediately scooped up by the higher ranks as family.

And I felt like I met the people that I was going to be working with to change

the world.

Another actress, Catherine Oxenberg, from the 1980s TV hit Dynasty, takes

classes along with her daughter, India, who declines American Greed's request

for an interview.

Catherine finds all the new programs suspicious.

I started to smell a rat. It was like, this...

was just a way for them to make more money.

The rat she's smelling may be Ranieri.

I didn't like that they idolized this guy, Keith Ranieri.

Everything was, thank you, Vanguard. Even though the guy wasn't in the room,

was like the Wizard of Oz.

But India Oxenberg is hooked.

Next on American Greed.

Everything in my body said, get out.

Vanguard leads NXIVM down a horrifying path.

You can do a lot of crazy in this country. You cannot brand people.

Nine of Keith Raniere's most faithful followers have quit NXIVM.

They are among the few who know the organization's deepest secrets.

For Secrets of NXIVM to come out, they have to come out from within.

In 2012, with help from the NXIVM 9, the Albany Times Union publishes a

blockbuster four -part series called Secrets of NXIVM.

There are allegations of psychological abuse, even a suicide.

The paper also posts video interviews online.

Nothing is done without his okay.

From how you dress to what you eat,

what your weight is, decisions you make.

Tony Natale, Ranieri's ex -girlfriend from the 90s who left in the early years

of NXIVM, tells the paper that she now believes that even back then,

NXIVM was no self -help organization.

Are you among the critics of NXIVM and Keith Raniere, who believe that he is

leader of a cult?

Yes.

Most explosive of all, the series alleges that Raniere, who is 51 at the

has a long history of sexual relationships with underage girls.

Gina Melita tells the paper that her relationship with Ranieri began when he

24 and she was just 15.

It seemed okay to my 15 -year -old mind at first.

He knew, he was like, well, we obviously can't tell your mother about this.

Ranieri does not respond to the paper's requests for an interview, nor does he

respond to American Greed.

You figured it was just a matter of time before the bottom dropped out of it,

but that's not what happened.

Instead, Ranieri seems emboldened, and his remaining followers are more devoted

than ever.

Allison Mack from the TV series Smallville has gone in big, recording

videos with Vanguard.

When someone's being authentic, you get the feeling that you reach into their

very essence and you meet a unique individual.

I don't know why, it makes me want to cry.

It's beautiful.

In 2015, Mack and Lauren Salzman, daughter of NXIVM co -founder Nancy

helped create a new society exclusively for NXIVM women to be known as DOS.

Actress Sarah Edmondson is among Lauren's recruits.

She told me it was an international women's group that would be totally

underground and a group of women working together to be a force for good in the

world.

In order to be considered for membership, women must first hand over

called collateral, blackmail -worthy material, nude photos, and damaging

information.

And this is all for you to really commit.

It is a strange brand of women's empowerment.

Allison Mack and Lauren Salzman are considered masters.

Their recruits, like Sarah, are referred to as slaves.

Members are kept on starvation diets, as little as 500 calories a day.

Slaves must be available to their masters at a moment's notice, 24 hours a

So women have to learn how to humiliate themselves, each other.

DOS is not a women's empowerment group at all.

The name is an acronym for a Latin phrase, Dominus Obsequius Sororium,

translated, Master over the obedient women.

DOS slaves are expected to recruit slaves of their own. It is yet another

pyramid. And sitting at the top, unbeknownst to the women until after

is Keith Raniere.

Keith and Allison, what's the text?

There is one final sign of devotion, which Raniere describes to Allison Mack

during a morning walk through the neighborhood, January 9th, 2016.

Doing the actual brand in an orderly fashion.

In keeping with NXIVM policy to preserve every utterance of Vanguard, Mack

records the conversation.

Authorities will later tease the audio as evidence.

It probably should be a more vulnerable position.

The women are to be stripped nude and in a solemn ceremony, branded in their

pelvic area with a cauterizing pen.

And the person should ask to be branded.

If they please brand me, it would be an honor or something like that.

Everything in my body is a get.

Out. Get out of here.

Sarah Edmondson is brought blindfolded to the home of Allison Mack, where

Salzman leads the ceremony.

Sarah says that years of NXIVM indoctrination suppress her instincts to

That, and the blackmail, and the women holding her down.

And I just went somewhere else.

And I didn't even move.

I breathed, I cried.

I went to a loving place.

And it was the only way I was able to get through it.

We know the depth of our love through pain.

Some 50 women are drawn into DOS.

Among them, 25 -year -old India Oxenberg, daughter of TV star Catherine

Oxenberg, who learns about DOS when a friend of India's calls to warn her.

These girls were all part of this inner circle, and that they were recruiting

other women to have sex with Keith. I mean, all this stuff, I was, like,

spinning.

India, too, has been branded.

Catherine calls blogger and former NXIVM consultant Frank Parlato and tells him

what she knows.

Sort of a light bulb went off in my head, and now you know I think I've got

Frank Parlato is the first to reveal the existence of DOS and the branding

ritual in a blog post in June of 2017.

Called Branded Slaves and Master Raniere.

You can do a lot of crazy in this country. You cannot brand people.

In Parlato's blog post, the victims are anonymous. The women of DOS keep their

vow of silence.

That is about to change.

They had been told that the symbol burned into their flesh represents the

elements. Instead, they learned it is formed from the initials of Keith

and Allison Mack.

It's not okay to hurt a woman's body. It's not okay to carve someone else's

initials into someone else's flesh.

Branding means you are owned by another person.

On October 18th, Sarah Edmondson is the first DOS woman to go public.

On the front page of the New York Times.

We began interviewing witnesses within days.

When American Greed returns.

We have somebody who is a danger to society.

Bringing Vanguard to justice.

But first, you have to catch him.

Keith Raniere's Secret Society of NXIVM Women has been exposed in a front -page

article in the New York Times.

It is October of 2017, and Assistant U .S. Attorney Moira Penza in Brooklyn

takes an immediate interest.

It was within days of the Harvey Weinstein story breaking. We were within

of the hashtag MeToo movement.

All of us were really taking a hard look at men in positions of power and abuses

of that power.

But Keith Raniere isn't sticking around to reflect.

Instead, he votes for the border.

Once he's in Mexico, there's the concern that he really will go off the grid.

Finally, in March, they track him down.

Keith Raniere was in this $10 ,000 a week villa in Puerto Vallarta,

by these women.

Allison Mack is there. So is Lauren Salzman.

There are plans in the evening for a recommitment ceremony.

NXIVM talk, apparently for group sex.

Until the agenda is rudely interrupted by Mexican police.

Keith Raniere has holed himself up in a closet, protecting himself, while Lauren

Saltzman is made to interact with the federales.

That whole arresting really is an example of everything we know about

Raniere, because here he is, this renunciate, and where is he? He's in a

What is he doing? Is he being brave? Is he this leader? No, he's hiding in a

closet.

At the same time in Albany, FBI agents descend on NXIVM's suburban subdivision,

gathering evidence.

Ranieri is returned to New York, where a judge orders him held without bail.

He is charged with multiple felonies, including sex trafficking, forced labor,

and criminal conspiracy.

Were you involved in a sex cult?

Allison Mack.

and Lauren Salzman plead guilty to racketeering and racketeering

Mexium co -founder Nancy Salzman pleads guilty to a single count of racketeering

conspiracy. Claire Brockman pleads guilty to a single count of conspiracy

harbor an illegal immigrant and one count of identity fraud.

She denies knowing anything about Doss.

Her sister, Sarah, is not charged.

None respond to American Greed's requests for interviews.

Dozens more NXIVM members defect, among them India Oxenberg.

In May of 2019, Keith Raniere goes to trial.

His defense?

Everything, including the starvation and the branding, is consensual.

This is basically a case, as odd as it sounds, about how grown adults are

intimate with each other.

But in six weeks of testimony, the prosecution paints a picture of a man

claims to be a genius, yet nearly flunks out of college.

Who preaches empowerment, but practices something different.

And the person should ask to be branded.

Jurors hear Raniere's own words about the branding ritual.

And they should probably say that before they're held down.

It doesn't seem like they're being coerced. Okay.

It takes only five hours for the jury to reach its verdict.

And when Ranieri walked into the courtroom, the very first thing he said,

audible in the court was, this is not justice.

The jury finds Ranieri guilty on seven counts, among them racketeering,

including sexual exploitation of a child and sex trafficking.

Oh, my God, it's final. It is final.

Like, it all counts.

Minutes ago, a federal jury here in the Eastern District of New York returned

verdicts convicting Keith Raniere on all counts in his federal indictment.

I felt just such an enormous responsibility to these women that

it was just...

a wave of relief and feeling that I have done right by them.

Silence is what gives powerful people the ability to commit abuses.

Any example where people are able to be heard and to

then have somebody actually face repercussions, that is

how we can break.

that cycle of abuse.

Keith Raniere's crime spree has ended, and his victims will finally see

In September 2020,

Claire Bronfman was sentenced to nearly seven years in prison.

A month later, in October 2020, Keith Raniere was sentenced to 120 years

bars.

India Oxenberg ultimately broke away from NXIVM and spoke out about

the pain she endured while under Ranieri's spell.

We all have metaphorical scars. I have a physical scar, but you don't have to

live with that. You don't have to live with Keith Ranieri haunting you. You can

reclaim your life. You can learn from it, and you can move on.

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