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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:09,279 In this episode of American Greed, Pam Phillips and Gary Triano, their charmed 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,360 life makes others green with envy. 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:17,219 The public saw them as a power couple. They saw her as beautiful. They saw him 4 00:00:17,220 --> 00:00:18,270 as charismatic. 5 00:00:18,620 --> 00:00:20,480 He's a mega millionaire developer. 6 00:00:20,820 --> 00:00:25,540 She's a socialite. But don't envy them because the money isn't his. 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,950 He owed a lot of people a lot of money and declared bankruptcy. 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:30,880 So Gary had a lot of enemies. 9 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:35,739 And when greed takes hold of their marriage, is there anything they won't 10 00:00:35,740 --> 00:00:40,239 money? I am very serious about this. You're going to be very serious when you 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,080 send in a woman's prison for murder. 12 00:00:59,850 --> 00:01:05,348 In Tucson, Arizona, it seems like every swing of the hammer or pull of the slot 13 00:01:05,349 --> 00:01:08,990 machine lever has something to do with Gary Triano. 14 00:01:09,810 --> 00:01:15,969 Triano is a developer and bingo hall pioneer back in Tucson's go -go days of 15 00:01:15,970 --> 00:01:17,110 1980s. 16 00:01:18,430 --> 00:01:22,310 Rusty Sands is Triano's good friend and former partner. 17 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:27,269 At that time, he was very, very, very successful. He was one of the 18 00:01:27,270 --> 00:01:28,320 of bingo. 19 00:01:28,830 --> 00:01:30,030 on Indian reservations. 20 00:01:30,450 --> 00:01:31,500 Bingo! 21 00:01:31,850 --> 00:01:34,930 They started making a lot, a lot of money every month. 22 00:01:36,150 --> 00:01:41,149 Triano is well known around Tucson for his wealth and his larger -than -life 23 00:01:41,150 --> 00:01:42,200 personality. 24 00:01:42,370 --> 00:01:47,169 Very self -assured, very flamboyant, liked the center of attention, but could 25 00:01:47,170 --> 00:01:48,390 typically back it up. 26 00:01:48,710 --> 00:01:50,470 Yeah, he was a lot of fun to be around. 27 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:58,519 In 1985, Triano catches the eye of a local real estate agent named Pamela 28 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,740 Phillips, who was newly divorced from her first husband. 29 00:02:03,140 --> 00:02:08,659 Pam socializes with Gary at parties thrown by him and his wife, and they 30 00:02:08,660 --> 00:02:09,710 friends. 31 00:02:09,820 --> 00:02:13,620 Well, she was a sexy lady, and she made herself available. 32 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,300 I believe Gary was very smitten. 33 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,000 Soon, the married Triano becomes enamored with Phillips. 34 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:23,200 and the two begin an affair. 35 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,819 Within months, Triano files for divorce from his first wife, with whom he has 36 00:02:28,820 --> 00:02:29,870 two children. 37 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:36,439 Less than a year after ending his first marriage, Gary and Pam marry on a yacht 38 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:37,490 in San Diego. 39 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:44,019 It was a fantastic wedding. It was a black -tie type of wedding, and 40 00:02:44,020 --> 00:02:47,739 and anything you wanted to drink was flowing. It was a beautiful, beautiful 41 00:02:47,740 --> 00:02:48,790 wedding. 42 00:02:48,940 --> 00:02:51,620 The adoring couple seems to have it all. 43 00:02:52,060 --> 00:02:55,020 Love, happiness, and lots of money. 44 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,900 No one could imagine, then, how it would all go so wrong within a few years. 45 00:03:01,180 --> 00:03:04,670 As it turned out, I guess it was the biggest mistake he ever made in his 46 00:03:08,020 --> 00:03:11,720 But during the good years, Gary and Pam live in high style. 47 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:17,219 They have two children together and purchase a home in Tucson's affluent 48 00:03:17,220 --> 00:03:18,270 Country Club. 49 00:03:18,330 --> 00:03:20,800 where they host their wealthy and famous friend. 50 00:03:21,650 --> 00:03:26,369 Carrie Drobin is an author and criminal defense attorney who spent a year 51 00:03:26,370 --> 00:03:30,450 researching the couple for her book, A Socialite Scorned. 52 00:03:30,690 --> 00:03:33,330 They ran around with the likes of Donald Trump. 53 00:03:33,570 --> 00:03:38,349 They would go to their estate in Mar -a -Lago. They had two jaguars. They lived 54 00:03:38,350 --> 00:03:42,750 in this beautiful house. They thought nothing of jet -setting off to, you 55 00:03:42,770 --> 00:03:44,910 some exotic locale for the weekend. 56 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:51,460 That was the lifestyle that they created and wanted people to see them as. 57 00:03:55,500 --> 00:04:01,199 Then, in the late 1980s, Tucson's economic tide begins to turn, and Gary 58 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,760 Triano's fortune starts washing away. 59 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,540 First, the real estate market crashes. 60 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,679 Triano is highly leveraged, so when real estate values drop, he owes more than 61 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:14,730 he's worth. 62 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,640 So Triano turns toward heavier investment in gaming. 63 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,559 As the management company for tribal bingo halls, Triano skims a percentage 64 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,610 all receipts. 65 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:32,039 But in the early 90s, Arizona's Indian gaming laws change so that Native 66 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,280 American tribes can retain all the income from gaming on their 67 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:41,280 Gary lost the contract with the Indians. They went into their own casino. 68 00:04:41,540 --> 00:04:42,660 He got cut out of that. 69 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,660 So he therefore lost a lot of money at that time. 70 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:52,420 His income plummets 93 % in one year, and it only goes downhill from there. 71 00:04:53,940 --> 00:04:55,800 He owed a lot of people a lot of money. 72 00:04:56,500 --> 00:04:59,100 Some of those people were very bad people. 73 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:05,180 He owed money to a group of northern Mexican investors to tune to $2 .6 74 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,510 Their attorney had told him, if you file bankruptcy, these people will kill you. 75 00:05:10,220 --> 00:05:15,839 Despite the warning, he goes ahead and files for bankruptcy in 1994 with an 76 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:18,240 estimated $26 million in debt. 77 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,759 Meanwhile, his wife Pam, who was a very successful real estate agent in her own 78 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,220 right, doesn't know the extent of Gary's troubles. 79 00:05:28,660 --> 00:05:33,419 In fact, what is really striking about it is Pam comes into this marriage with 80 00:05:33,420 --> 00:05:34,470 $2 million. 81 00:05:34,650 --> 00:05:38,989 They visit a bankruptcy attorney together, and she has probably this cold 82 00:05:38,990 --> 00:05:43,129 dawning when she's sitting in the office realizing, oh, my God, what have I 83 00:05:43,130 --> 00:05:49,269 done? She discovers at that time that Gary is nothing that the public 84 00:05:49,270 --> 00:05:51,830 him to be. He has 74 pending lawsuits. 85 00:05:52,190 --> 00:05:55,030 He owes his attorney $97 ,000. 86 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:58,070 He owes his former wife $1 .8 million. 87 00:05:58,830 --> 00:06:02,910 He is indebted to everyone with no means of paying anything back. 88 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,160 So all of a sudden, she's plummeted into this world that she never wanted. 89 00:06:08,340 --> 00:06:12,799 Once she learns just how much debt her once high -rolling husband has gotten 90 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:13,850 himself into, 91 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:19,480 Pam Phillips files for divorce. And in a little over a month, it's finalized. 92 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:21,680 Pam is awarded the house. 93 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:27,479 But things get even worse between the former golden couple when Pam decides to 94 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,440 leave town with their two children. 95 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,580 She sold the house. 96 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:34,560 and recouped the proceeds. It was about $300 ,000. 97 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:40,020 She did that while Gary was off on a weekend jaunt with someone else. 98 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:44,819 So it was sort of a stick it to you, I'm going to take what's mine, what she 99 00:06:44,820 --> 00:06:48,580 felt she was entitled to, and she fled to Aspen. 100 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,880 Gary Triano is alone in Tucson with a mountain of debt. 101 00:07:06,030 --> 00:07:11,710 On the afternoon of November 1st, 1996, Gary plays golf at his favorite course, 102 00:07:12,070 --> 00:07:13,550 La Paloma Country Club. 103 00:07:14,070 --> 00:07:18,730 Though he shoots well, it may be his last time playing here. 104 00:07:19,850 --> 00:07:24,390 He owes the club months of past dues, and they want him out. 105 00:07:26,490 --> 00:07:31,630 It's been quite a fall, but his problems will soon be over. 106 00:08:07,180 --> 00:08:13,219 On the last day of his life, Gary Triano golfs his favorite course at La Paloma 107 00:08:13,220 --> 00:08:14,720 Country Club in Tucson. 108 00:08:17,340 --> 00:08:21,400 Gary Triano was a creature of habit, and that was sort of his trademark. 109 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:27,339 He golfed a certain day of the week at a certain time and with a certain 110 00:08:27,340 --> 00:08:28,390 partner. 111 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,140 Triano plays 18 holes. 112 00:08:32,419 --> 00:08:34,659 Then he makes the walk to his parking spot. 113 00:08:35,210 --> 00:08:37,330 As he's done so many times before. 114 00:08:38,350 --> 00:08:40,830 Only this time, there is someone watching. 115 00:08:41,850 --> 00:08:43,210 And lying in wait. 116 00:08:44,370 --> 00:08:47,890 Someone who has placed a blue bag on Gary's passenger seat. 117 00:08:59,870 --> 00:09:03,010 Authorities believe Gary reaches over to pick up the bag. 118 00:09:03,980 --> 00:09:06,160 It's the last move he ever made. 119 00:09:14,660 --> 00:09:20,020 Gary Triano, just shy of his 53rd birthday, is killed instantly. 120 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,320 His watch permanently stopped at 5 .38 p .m. 121 00:09:28,980 --> 00:09:31,180 There were light flashing. 122 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:33,530 emergency vehicles everywhere. 123 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:40,329 It was surreal that something of this magnitude could happen in Tucson 124 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:45,690 and in one of the most prestigious sides of town. 125 00:09:47,590 --> 00:09:52,509 Pima County Sheriff's Detective James Gamber arrives on the scene and begins 126 00:09:52,510 --> 00:09:54,370 collecting evidence from the debris. 127 00:09:54,870 --> 00:09:59,910 A roof had been torn off of it. It was riddled with holes from shrapnel. 128 00:10:00,410 --> 00:10:04,830 Door panels were blown out. The rear window and the windshield were blown 129 00:10:04,970 --> 00:10:09,489 In fact, we recovered the windshield in a swimming pool about 70 feet away that 130 00:10:09,490 --> 00:10:12,330 had to travel over trees that were like 20 feet tall. 131 00:10:13,330 --> 00:10:18,710 The bomb squad determined that the explosive device was a simple, if 132 00:10:18,750 --> 00:10:24,010 one. It was a pipe bomb that was initiated by a remote control. 133 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,880 We know that the remote control had to be within a quarter of a mile. 134 00:10:31,300 --> 00:10:35,379 There is no shortage of rumors floating through town about who could be 135 00:10:35,380 --> 00:10:36,430 responsible. 136 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:42,340 NBC affiliate KVOA's crime reporter Lupita Murillo covers the case. 137 00:10:42,780 --> 00:10:47,339 During the initial investigation, everybody was saying it was a mob hit. 138 00:10:47,340 --> 00:10:48,390 a mob hit. 139 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Gary Triano didn't borrow from banks. 140 00:10:51,700 --> 00:10:53,520 He owed money to individuals. 141 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,180 some with questionable reputations. 142 00:10:56,620 --> 00:11:01,439 What's more, given his background in the gaming industry and the gangland style 143 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,840 of the murder, police naturally think of organized crime. 144 00:11:06,180 --> 00:11:09,360 We, at this point, don't have any specific suspects. 145 00:11:09,860 --> 00:11:15,759 We have a lot of circumstances surrounding his personal relationships 146 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:20,560 of his business dealings that I think would lead any reasonable... 147 00:11:21,020 --> 00:11:26,739 police officer to conclude that people might have motives for murder. He was in 148 00:11:26,740 --> 00:11:29,870 desperate, desperate financial circumstances personally. 149 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:33,040 Police also looked closer to home. 150 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:38,739 Detective Keith St. John interviews Gary's ex -wife, Pam Phillips, now 151 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:43,439 with their two children in Aspen, Colorado, and struggling to get back on 152 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,880 feet. Pam was strikingly attractive. 153 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:52,179 She came across as self -assured. Obviously, she was used to money, but 154 00:11:52,180 --> 00:11:56,030 was cooperative. She sat down with me on three separate occasions and talked. 155 00:11:56,580 --> 00:12:02,060 Pam Phillips is the beneficiary of a $2 million life insurance policy on Gary. 156 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,220 And two months after Gary's death, she receives the money. 157 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,080 In my mind, there wasn't enough evidence to say she's a suspect. 158 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:18,109 After about eight months, the Gary Triano murder case goes cold and stays 159 00:12:18,110 --> 00:12:19,710 way for nearly ten years. 160 00:12:22,110 --> 00:12:27,030 Next on American Greed, a new connection leads to a new suspect. 161 00:12:27,430 --> 00:12:30,610 He's got all this paperwork between Gary and Pam. 162 00:12:30,910 --> 00:12:33,020 He's got to have something to do with this. 163 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,780 In the Gary Triano murder case, the trail is cold. 164 00:12:53,540 --> 00:12:57,220 But Tucson police will discover a fresh lead. 165 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,480 It's in 1994, two years before the murder. 166 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:19,660 The newly divorced Pam Phillips moves with her two children to Aspen, 167 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:26,199 Living on the $300 ,000 in proceeds from the sale of her Tucson home, she sets 168 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:31,040 about making a name for herself in a new town away from her ex -husband. 169 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:37,259 She moved to a very affluent neighborhood in Aspen and needed to find 170 00:13:37,260 --> 00:13:38,219 make ends meet. 171 00:13:38,220 --> 00:13:41,960 And she did that again by relying on friends. 172 00:13:41,961 --> 00:13:46,279 and making her alliances with wealthy people, because she certainly didn't 173 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,660 down when she moved to Aspen. 174 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:54,159 But establishing herself as a realtor in Aspen is harder than she expects, and 175 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,160 her lifestyle exceeds her means. 176 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:03,319 Her passion lies with a startup business she creates called StarBabies .com, a 177 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,620 website that she claims will predict the futures of newborns. 178 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,319 Pam believes the fledgling company could grow to be worth millions, but she 179 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,520 can't do it on her own. 180 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,679 And that's when she enlists the help of her neighbor, a self -described business 181 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,140 consultant named Ron Young. 182 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:28,379 He was a very bright individual, and he had become close to Pam Phillips in 183 00:14:28,380 --> 00:14:35,279 Aspen. And Ron Young began to become involved in Pam Phillips' financial life 184 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,330 a great extent. 185 00:14:36,990 --> 00:14:41,749 The two also begin a romantic relationship, even though Ron Young is 186 00:14:41,750 --> 00:14:44,170 sort of man Pam usually goes after. 187 00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:49,570 He was unsophisticated, not attractive, not wealthy. 188 00:14:50,030 --> 00:14:54,850 He couldn't take her to the locales that she was used to. 189 00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:58,730 But Pam is clearly getting something out of the deal. 190 00:14:59,010 --> 00:15:03,149 In addition to business help, she leans on Ron when it comes to her troubled 191 00:15:03,150 --> 00:15:04,750 relationship with her ex. 192 00:15:05,310 --> 00:15:09,629 She complained incessantly about Gary. She complained that he didn't pay her 193 00:15:09,630 --> 00:15:12,169 enough in child support or in spousal maintenance. 194 00:15:12,170 --> 00:15:18,429 And he considered himself a problem solver, a fixer. And so he would come up 195 00:15:18,430 --> 00:15:21,810 with ways where she could solve the problem, the Gary problem. 196 00:15:22,410 --> 00:15:25,610 He actually called it the 800 -pound gorilla problem. 197 00:15:27,690 --> 00:15:31,570 Yet by April 1996, things turned sour. 198 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,479 After two of Ron Young's other business clients report him for fraud, Pam 199 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:42,439 Phillips follows suit, reporting to police that Ron Young is also ripping 200 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,320 off in her Star Baby's business. 201 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:51,000 James Crowley, a detective for the Aspen police, tries to locate Ron Young. 202 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,760 He was already gone. 203 00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:58,860 He rented a van at the Aspen airport, and that was the last we heard of him. 204 00:16:00,430 --> 00:16:04,709 In his absence, Young is charged with two counts of theft and two counts of 205 00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:07,490 forgery, and a warrant is issued for his arrest. 206 00:16:10,490 --> 00:16:14,450 Two months later, Crowley gets a call from Yorba Linda, California. 207 00:16:15,410 --> 00:16:20,290 Ron Young's rented van has been found, parked near his parents' home. 208 00:16:20,750 --> 00:16:25,709 Yorba Linda contacted me and said that Ron had been at the impound yard trying 209 00:16:25,710 --> 00:16:29,249 to recover the van, and when he was told that the police were on the way, he 210 00:16:29,250 --> 00:16:31,420 left. and left the van behind. 211 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,020 Crowley flies to Yorba Linda to inspect the van. 212 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Inside, he finds some interesting documents. 213 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:45,819 Their work, business documents from Star Babies, divorce paperwork between Gary 214 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:47,159 Triano and Pamela Phillips. 215 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:52,859 There are also maps of Tucson, hotel receipts from Tucson, and still an 216 00:16:52,860 --> 00:16:55,300 license plate and a shotgun inside. 217 00:16:56,780 --> 00:16:59,300 Crowley isn't sure what to make of the evidence. 218 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,740 Until two weeks later, when he hears about a car bombing murder in Tucson, 219 00:17:05,020 --> 00:17:06,070 Arizona. 220 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:10,179 I come into work the morning after the car bombing, and it's on the front page 221 00:17:10,180 --> 00:17:11,230 of the newspaper. 222 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,500 And it didn't hit me quite at first. 223 00:17:14,140 --> 00:17:18,920 So I'm like, Gary Triano, Gary Triano. And it's like, oh my God. 224 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:24,919 It's got to have something to do with it. I mean, between the map of Tucson, 225 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,709 guy's got a taser in the car, he's got a shotgun in the car. 226 00:17:27,710 --> 00:17:30,570 He's got all of this paperwork between Gary and Pam. 227 00:17:30,571 --> 00:17:33,309 I mean, he's got to have something to do with this. 228 00:17:33,310 --> 00:17:38,710 So Crowley then calls us, which makes the connection for us. 229 00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:44,729 Then when we question Pam, she minimizes Ron Young and says, oh, no, he's just a 230 00:17:44,730 --> 00:17:46,900 guy that did a little financial work for me. 231 00:17:47,030 --> 00:17:52,889 And then later on, what we find based on the hotel receipt is that Ron Young was 232 00:17:52,890 --> 00:17:55,810 in Tucson in June and July for about 18 days. 233 00:17:57,070 --> 00:18:01,370 While police cannot place Young in Tucson in November when the murder 234 00:18:01,670 --> 00:18:07,129 they want to know what he was doing there in the months prior, especially 235 00:18:07,130 --> 00:18:12,389 he has no ties to Tucson and no apparent law -abiding reason to be there. But 236 00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:16,610 detectives can't ask him these questions because he's nowhere to be found. 237 00:18:17,010 --> 00:18:23,189 We were depending on the fugitive warrant from Aspen for that to lead to 238 00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:24,750 arrest so we could confront him. 239 00:18:32,370 --> 00:18:37,749 Meanwhile, Pam Phillips collects a payout from Gary's life insurance 240 00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:38,800 million. 241 00:18:39,910 --> 00:18:44,769 If Pam has been building a castle in the sky, $2 million allows her to put a 242 00:18:44,770 --> 00:18:46,190 foundation under it. 243 00:18:46,510 --> 00:18:50,770 She bought a house in Meadowood, which is a subdivision just outside of town, 244 00:18:50,910 --> 00:18:56,289 remodeled the house, and started living the lifestyle that she was accustomed 245 00:18:56,290 --> 00:18:57,340 to. 246 00:18:58,220 --> 00:19:01,780 She went to lots of social engagements at night. 247 00:19:01,980 --> 00:19:04,800 She was skiing a lot. 248 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:10,439 She was known as a real social jet -setter, moving in circles with very 249 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,490 people. 250 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:18,819 For ten years, Phillips lived a good life in Aspen, while Ron Young stays out 251 00:19:18,820 --> 00:19:19,870 of sight. 252 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,740 Next, police finally track down Ron Young. 253 00:19:27,709 --> 00:19:29,890 And his own words come back to bite him. 254 00:19:30,530 --> 00:19:31,970 You're going to be really sad. 255 00:19:31,971 --> 00:19:33,429 I'm going to be back at work. 256 00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:35,600 No, you're going to be in prison for murder. 257 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:59,399 In 2005, Pima County, Arizona, Sheriff's Detective James Gamber is assigned to 258 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,800 work the department's unsolved murder cases. 259 00:20:03,060 --> 00:20:08,540 One of the most infamous is the 1996 car bombing of Gary Triano. 260 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,940 Nine years later, Gamber digs the massive case file out of storage. 261 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,320 So this is the paper case file of the Triano case. 262 00:20:19,930 --> 00:20:22,850 It contains about 300 ,000 pages of paperwork. 263 00:20:23,210 --> 00:20:25,270 As you can tell, it's endless files. 264 00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:28,710 This isn't Gamber's first shot at the Triano case. 265 00:20:29,070 --> 00:20:31,300 He also worked the original investigation. 266 00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:37,289 Well, we eliminated all the suspects that Gary's friends, families, and even 267 00:20:37,290 --> 00:20:38,910 enemies gave us. 268 00:20:39,250 --> 00:20:43,870 There was but one suspect that Gamber feels he wasn't able to eliminate. 269 00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:45,760 Ron Young. 270 00:20:46,420 --> 00:20:51,300 Colorado businessman and one -time boyfriend of Gary's ex -wife, Pam 271 00:20:51,620 --> 00:20:54,120 who has been a fugitive for nine years. 272 00:20:54,660 --> 00:20:59,219 What we were left with was the one anomaly, and that was Ron Young. All the 273 00:20:59,220 --> 00:21:04,499 details that we found in Ron Young's van, and then Pam's denial or 274 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:05,840 of their relationship. 275 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,940 But Ron was on the run. 276 00:21:08,220 --> 00:21:10,280 He had the fraud charges out of Aspen. 277 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,860 We couldn't find him. 278 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:14,700 So until we found him... 279 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:16,810 We were stuck. 280 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:23,079 Gamber and an ATF colleague reach out to America's Most Wanted and convince the 281 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,180 show to do a story on Ron Young. 282 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,580 It airs on November 19, 2005. 283 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,719 Ron Young's chiropractor recognized him, knew he had a standing appointment, so 284 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,580 he called in to America's Most Wanted. 285 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,840 When Young shows up for his adjustment at the Pompano Beach, Florida, 286 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:44,860 chiropractor's office, police are waiting to take him down. 287 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:02,799 And the goal was to put him into custody on the Colorado fraud charges and for 288 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,090 us to talk to him about the Gary Triano murder. 289 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:11,579 Young denies any involvement in Triano's murder, and he gives police consent to 290 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:13,980 search his home, car, and storage locker. 291 00:22:14,620 --> 00:22:17,640 where they find an unexpected trove of evidence. 292 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:24,059 They found about four large boxes worth of evidence, a lot of paper records, a 293 00:22:24,060 --> 00:22:26,260 computer, and some microcassettes. 294 00:22:26,540 --> 00:22:32,519 We put one of those microcassettes into a recorder, and there's Ron Young 295 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,720 talking to Pam Phillips. 296 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,520 Hello. Hi. 297 00:22:35,820 --> 00:22:40,580 Hi. I'm at Walmart, shopping like a madwoman. 298 00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:47,309 to get back to the kids who are swimming on their own with a bunch of fat, gross 299 00:22:47,310 --> 00:22:49,970 bodies down at the Glenwood Springs pool. 300 00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:52,510 Nice place, huh? 301 00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:53,760 Oh, geez. 302 00:22:55,670 --> 00:22:58,130 And it's not just one conversation. 303 00:22:58,930 --> 00:23:04,449 Police find recordings of 500 calls and 100 e -mails between Young and Phillips 304 00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:05,770 spanning eight years. 305 00:23:06,650 --> 00:23:10,030 The topics are wide -ranging, but mainly... 306 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,560 They talk about money. 307 00:23:12,140 --> 00:23:16,819 I just, you know, with you, I want to help you out. I just want to be at our 308 00:23:16,820 --> 00:23:22,599 original agreement, and I will honor that, and I will try to get you as much 309 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,060 as quick as I possibly can. 310 00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:28,919 It seems that Pam Phillips is making regular cash payments to her former 311 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:29,970 boyfriend. 312 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,400 Pam sends Ron the money via FedEx. 313 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,040 She even gives him the tracking numbers. 314 00:23:36,041 --> 00:23:41,029 Let's see. I have a number for you. I'm sending it to FedEx. 315 00:23:41,030 --> 00:23:44,790 It's 8127. I mailed something. 316 00:23:45,030 --> 00:23:49,750 Let's see. I put it in the box. It is 80713864. 317 00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:52,160 And I did it, you know, priority overnight. 318 00:23:52,450 --> 00:23:58,950 Ron Young records it all on audio tape and on spreadsheets. 319 00:23:59,190 --> 00:24:04,809 I mailed you something, but it takes care of January, February, and all of 320 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:05,739 March. 321 00:24:05,740 --> 00:24:11,999 For as smart as Ron Young was alleged to have been, he kept an enormous amount 322 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,940 of material that ultimately led to his downfall. 323 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:22,059 This surreptitious transfer of money directed at Ron's direction went on for 324 00:24:22,060 --> 00:24:25,560 about 10 years, and we were able to prove 44 transactions. 325 00:24:27,630 --> 00:24:31,509 When people get greedy, it's good for police and prosecutors because they 326 00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:34,350 to turn on each other in these phone conversations. 327 00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:40,010 Well, I don't want to loan money for somebody for most of a decade. 328 00:24:40,011 --> 00:24:42,469 Look, can I finish it? Can I finish a sentence? 329 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:45,070 Can I finish a sentence? 330 00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:47,050 Can I finish a sentence? 331 00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:49,750 Can I finish a sentence? 332 00:24:50,150 --> 00:24:52,070 Will you allow me to finish a sentence? 333 00:24:52,170 --> 00:24:56,510 At one point in their relationship, Pam begins to fall behind in payments. 334 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,600 which angers Ron Young. 335 00:25:01,271 --> 00:25:02,959 In 336 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:17,279 some 337 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:23,759 exchanges, the amount of money they discuss equals the life insurance policy 338 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,960 Pam collected after Gary's death. 339 00:25:26,639 --> 00:25:28,020 Two million dollars. 340 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,580 He goes, you got your 1 .6. 341 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,340 I want my four. 342 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,090 Well, that conveniently adds up to two million. 343 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,479 But this conversation postdates the murder. It's way after the murder, which 344 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,120 me says there was a prearrangement. 345 00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:48,459 In other words, you kill Gary, I'll get two million dollars and I'll give you 346 00:25:48,460 --> 00:25:49,479 400 ,000. 347 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,320 Right now, I want to know. 348 00:25:51,321 --> 00:25:55,399 And I'm going to go figure out what it is, and I'm going to try to figure out 349 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,450 how to get it to you. 350 00:25:56,780 --> 00:26:01,359 But right now, I want to know that we are capping it at four. I don't want 351 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:04,339 nebulous thing out there that we're supposedly supposed to do. It's not 352 00:26:04,340 --> 00:26:09,920 nebulous. I don't want you to pass your agreement. I am very serious about this. 353 00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:14,579 Well, I tell you, you're going to be very serious when you sit in a women's 354 00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:15,820 prison for murdering. 355 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:22,399 When you sit in a women's prison for murder, you know, you're going to be 356 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,450 sad. 357 00:26:23,780 --> 00:26:26,300 No, you're going to be in prison for murder. 358 00:26:26,940 --> 00:26:31,599 We listened to those tapes over and over again, and we tried to come up with 359 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,199 alternative theories to explain why these two people told each other you 360 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,460 be in prison for murder. 361 00:26:38,740 --> 00:26:44,020 And, you know, there's just no other reasonable alternative explanation. 362 00:26:45,070 --> 00:26:46,510 for those conversations. 363 00:26:46,830 --> 00:26:51,789 I helped you on something that was, you know, beyond what anybody else in the 364 00:26:51,790 --> 00:26:54,010 world would probably do. 365 00:26:54,690 --> 00:26:59,070 And I think that deserves some consideration. 366 00:27:00,930 --> 00:27:03,630 Since you're living off the benefits of it, you know. 367 00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:10,469 The emails, the FedEx connection, the banking transactions, the phone calls, 368 00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:11,520 becomes so obvious. 369 00:27:11,521 --> 00:27:15,379 I can't put Ron Young at the murder scene. I can't put Pam Phillips at the 370 00:27:15,380 --> 00:27:18,419 murder scene. I can't show either one of them making the device. 371 00:27:18,420 --> 00:27:23,560 But when you look at all that circumstantial evidence, this all 372 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:31,020 On October 16, 2008, Young and Phillips are indicted for first -degree murder. 373 00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:35,360 Next on American Greed. 374 00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:40,929 Taking down Pam might be harder than they thought. She's gone, and we don't 375 00:27:40,930 --> 00:27:42,269 if we can ever find her again. 376 00:27:42,270 --> 00:27:45,410 What else did Ron Young and Pam Phillips talk about? 377 00:27:45,670 --> 00:27:51,270 Hear more at cnbcprime .com slash American Greed. 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She started dating a rather wealthy man there, which, in my 386 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,100 opinion, gave her reason to stay. 387 00:28:35,710 --> 00:28:39,710 Phillips might feel safe in the country famous for its neutrality. 388 00:28:40,290 --> 00:28:44,649 That's because Switzerland, like many European countries, will not extradite 389 00:28:44,650 --> 00:28:47,110 suspects who could face the death penalty. 390 00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:51,240 Then they made the announcement that we were dropping the death penalty. 391 00:28:51,290 --> 00:28:55,190 Unfortunately, that was made publicly, so Pam got the clue to run. 392 00:28:55,950 --> 00:29:00,469 So when the police in Switzerland went to the hotel room where we knew she was 393 00:29:00,470 --> 00:29:02,350 staying, she was gone. 394 00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:08,030 U .S. authorities work with Swiss police to try to get Pam back to the States. 395 00:29:10,810 --> 00:29:17,150 Meanwhile, nearly 6 ,000 miles away in Tucson, Arizona, Ron Young stands trial, 396 00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:21,190 accused of conspiring with Pam to kill Triano. 397 00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:27,509 The prosecution's case rests squarely on the audio recordings between Young and 398 00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:31,410 Phillips that Ron Young himself recorded and saved. 399 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,539 In an exclusive interview with American Greed, Young claims that he can explain 400 00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:53,590 everything. 401 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:59,899 I'm absolutely innocent. I did not participate, did not plan. I never heard 402 00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:01,940 Pamela discuss anything like this. 403 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,400 Absolutely, completely, 100 % innocent. 404 00:30:07,540 --> 00:30:14,239 Young says he left Aspen in 1996 on a long driving vacation with his son, not 405 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,240 because he was fleeing fraud charges. 406 00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:20,969 And then once he found out he was charged, the only reason he didn't go 407 00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:24,510 Aspen is because he thought it wasn't that big a deal. 408 00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:29,250 As far as how smart any of this was, it was incredibly stupid. 409 00:30:29,930 --> 00:30:36,469 I had never been in trouble with the law, so I had absolutely no experience 410 00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:40,410 the police or criminal activity. 411 00:30:40,850 --> 00:30:43,770 I figured it would go away, and I just ignored it. 412 00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:45,470 As it turned out... 413 00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:55,759 As for the $2 million Phillips and Young discussed in the audio tapes, Young 414 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,800 claims that figure has nothing to do with Triano's life insurance payout. 415 00:31:00,020 --> 00:31:05,859 He says it's $2 million of equity Pam has tied up in a San Diego real estate 416 00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:09,720 development, a portion of which he believes is owed to him. 417 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,080 I played accountant. I played financial advisor, business consultant. 418 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,720 What I had done is saved her a fortune in professional fees. 419 00:31:19,721 --> 00:31:24,259 As much as the defense tried to suggest that there were innocent reasons for 420 00:31:24,260 --> 00:31:28,860 these conversations taking place, I think that when you listen to their 421 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,970 I think it's very clear they're talking about the murder. 422 00:32:02,350 --> 00:32:06,190 Though they have no direct evidence tying Ron Young to the crime scene, 423 00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:10,910 detectives can place the Aspen -based businessman in Tucson. 424 00:32:11,730 --> 00:32:15,410 We had no eyewitnesses who saw Ron Young in the parking lot that day. 425 00:32:15,790 --> 00:32:20,949 However, we did have Ron Young here in Tucson in July before the murder on an 426 00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:23,950 assumed name for over two weeks. 427 00:32:25,390 --> 00:32:29,269 I felt that that was strong circumstantial evidence that he was here 428 00:32:29,270 --> 00:32:32,530 and find out which would be the best way to kill Gary Triana. 429 00:32:34,330 --> 00:32:36,530 Will the jury see it the same way? 430 00:32:38,130 --> 00:32:42,030 In March 2010, Young awaits the verdict. 431 00:32:42,730 --> 00:32:46,829 I was 432 00:32:46,830 --> 00:32:53,570 in shock. Just totally in shock because I allowed myself to... 433 00:33:00,469 --> 00:33:05,810 Six weeks later, the judge sentences Young to two consecutive life sentences. 434 00:33:10,790 --> 00:33:11,840 Now, 435 00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:19,509 Tucson authorities need to find Pam Phillips, who is somewhere in Europe, so 436 00:33:19,510 --> 00:33:20,910 can have her day in court. 437 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,739 Between Interpol and the police in Geneva, the criminal brigade, they did a 438 00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:32,660 of work and they tracked her to Liechtenstein and then into Vienna. 439 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,940 And then the police in Vienna arrested her on our arrest warrant. 440 00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:45,840 In July 2010, Pam Phillips lands at the Tucson airport. 441 00:33:46,420 --> 00:33:51,440 Now 53 years old, She appears worn and tired from her journey. 442 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,740 KVOA reporter Lupita Murillo is there to try to get answers. 443 00:33:57,260 --> 00:34:01,739 Your reaction, Pam, to what investigators say, that you hired Ronald 444 00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:05,099 kill your ex -husband, what's your reaction to that for the insurance 445 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:05,639 that true? 446 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,860 Never said a word. Just kept looking straight ahead. 447 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:17,159 The only thing she said to me as she got into the squad car was, 448 00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:18,790 It's rather warm here. 449 00:34:20,010 --> 00:34:21,850 Well, it got a lot hotter after that. 450 00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:27,370 Phillips is booked on charges of murder and conspiracy to commit murder. 451 00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:33,590 Next on American Greed, Phillips' defense team says it has new evidence. 452 00:34:34,090 --> 00:34:35,409 Will it set her free? 453 00:34:35,650 --> 00:34:39,369 We found trace DNA, and it excluded Ronald Young, the person that the 454 00:34:39,370 --> 00:34:43,709 prosecution said built the bomb and killed Gary Triano or Pam. That's 455 00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:44,760 doubt right there. 456 00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:04,899 Brought back to Arizona from Switzerland, Pamela Phillips pleads not 457 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:09,080 the charges of murdering her husband, Gary Triano, for insurance money. 458 00:35:09,580 --> 00:35:14,360 And on February 18, 2014, Phillips' trial begins. 459 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:21,499 The prosecution builds its case upon money, greed, and audio tape. It's a 460 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:25,700 circumstantial case that the defense team attempts to pick apart. 461 00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:30,929 proved at trial, and the only thing they proved, that there was a connection 462 00:35:30,930 --> 00:35:34,990 between Ronald Young and Pam Phillips, and it was a financial connection. 463 00:35:35,290 --> 00:35:36,430 That's all they proved. 464 00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:39,820 That doesn't prove that they had anything to do with the murder. 465 00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:45,609 Pam Phillips' defense attorneys, Alicia Katah and Paul Eckestrom, say that Pam 466 00:35:45,610 --> 00:35:49,929 wasn't even paying the premiums on the life insurance policy, that another 467 00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:54,189 friend had offered to take over the monthly payments because Pam was in 468 00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:55,290 financial straits. 469 00:35:56,170 --> 00:36:00,310 And the month before Gary's murder, she forgot to make the payment. 470 00:36:00,311 --> 00:36:04,389 If you're going to kill somebody for the insurance money, aren't you going to 471 00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:08,509 make sure that the premiums are paid and the insurance is all up to date and 472 00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:12,390 that you will get the money if this happens? 473 00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:14,270 And that didn't happen with Pam. 474 00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:19,589 Over the course of working with Pam Phillips, Eckstrom and Katah become true 475 00:36:19,590 --> 00:36:21,030 believers in her innocence. 476 00:36:21,031 --> 00:36:24,789 The evidence you're going to hear is going to convince you now that my client 477 00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:27,960 is... but that Ron Young is innocent. 478 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:33,519 We felt that we had to do a thorough investigation to build a case that 479 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,240 else did it. And we basically, I think, solved the case. 480 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,819 The defense team orders new tests on the pipe bomb fragments that killed Gary 481 00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:45,620 Triano and are able to acquire trace amounts of DNA. 482 00:36:45,621 --> 00:36:50,059 And it excluded Ronald Young, the person that the prosecution said built the 483 00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:52,020 bomb and killed Gary Triano for Pam. 484 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,700 He was excluded. 485 00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:55,790 from the trace DNA that we found. 486 00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:58,310 That's reasonable doubt right there. 487 00:36:58,690 --> 00:37:03,530 The defense team then takes it even further, presenting an alternate 488 00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:09,389 Well, there's an individual named Neil McNeese who Gary Triano had ripped off 489 00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:14,229 for about $80 ,000 and was very angry at Gary for doing that. And he was a 490 00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:20,929 heroin addict. He was a trust baby. He had a lot of money and had this 491 00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:22,250 thing about... 492 00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:27,310 Gary because of the fact that Gary bilked him out of $80 ,000. 493 00:37:27,550 --> 00:37:31,729 And I think ultimately it was him who had ordered this to happen, had a hit 494 00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:35,160 put together, and had a friend of his build the bomb that killed Gary. 495 00:37:35,470 --> 00:37:38,830 And we were able to identify all those people. 496 00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:45,569 At trial, McNeese's private doctor, Lawrence D 'Antonio, testifies that he 497 00:37:45,570 --> 00:37:49,230 McNeese threaten to kill Gary Triano on several occasions. 498 00:37:49,231 --> 00:37:52,559 What did he say about Gary Triano during his period time? 499 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,640 He wanted to kill him. 500 00:37:53,920 --> 00:38:00,299 But the problem is, Neil McNeese died of a drug overdose in 2002, and he was 501 00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:02,540 never investigated by Tucson police. 502 00:38:03,460 --> 00:38:07,439 As with any investigation, you go back and look at it over time, and there's 503 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,699 always things that could have been done either differently, or should have been 504 00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:15,519 done differently, or leads that could have been pursued, and for whatever 505 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,640 reason, or not. 506 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,760 And the defense went to great lengths to investigate Mr. McNeese. 507 00:38:20,761 --> 00:38:24,399 And the best they could come up with is that he didn't like Gary Triano. 508 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,019 He had a friend who knew about remote -controlled cars, and he told people 509 00:38:30,020 --> 00:38:36,380 he would like to kill Gary Triano. But that was over a debt over a ring. 510 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,140 But when you look at that, the debt over the ring occurred in 1991. 511 00:38:42,220 --> 00:38:45,300 He waited until 1996 to have him killed. 512 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,980 Prosecutor Rick Unclesby points to the money trail. 513 00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:52,540 and says greed is on both ends of it. 514 00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:58,019 The 44 cash payments from Pam Phillips to Ron Young made over the course of 10 515 00:38:58,020 --> 00:39:01,260 years total more than $400 ,000. 516 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:07,499 But the prosecutor has one more bit of evidence, and it proves to be a 517 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:14,279 bombshell. He calls to the stand Pam's former close friend, Laura Chapman. She 518 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,440 testified that Gary had been over to Pam's house. 519 00:39:18,970 --> 00:39:20,020 They'd had a fight. 520 00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:26,009 Gary pulled a gun to Pam Phillips, threatened her. He left. She called her 521 00:39:26,010 --> 00:39:31,729 friends. They came over. They were consoling her. And that's when she said 522 00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:34,450 is a $2 million insurance policy. 523 00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:39,910 She said that she should just hire a hitman, have him taken out. 524 00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:45,769 A few years later, Chapman is driving home when she sees smoke in the Tucson 525 00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:49,070 foothills. and learns about Gary Triano's death. 526 00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:54,250 Pam's earlier talk about hiring a hitman now echoes in her mind. 527 00:39:54,630 --> 00:40:00,449 I remember saying, oh my gosh, she really did it. I think that was the nail 528 00:40:00,450 --> 00:40:01,590 the coffin, so to speak. 529 00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:05,969 At the end of a seven -week trial, the jury has heard from more than 100 530 00:40:05,970 --> 00:40:11,149 witnesses, and they have two completely different theories on who killed Gary 531 00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:12,530 Triano and why. 532 00:40:13,210 --> 00:40:14,490 What will they decide? 533 00:40:17,230 --> 00:40:21,870 On April 8, 2014, Pam Phillips waits to hear her verdict. 534 00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:26,649 Do you find the defendant, Pamela Ann Phillips, guilty of first -degree murder 535 00:40:26,650 --> 00:40:28,570 as alleged in count to the indictment? 536 00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:36,449 On May 22, 2014, Phillips is brought into the courtroom shackled to await her 537 00:40:36,450 --> 00:40:41,950 fate. She has traded her designer clothes for a state -issued orange 538 00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:44,730 The judge sentences her. 539 00:40:45,260 --> 00:40:48,940 to natural life in prison without the possibility of parole. 540 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,440 Upon hearing her sentence, Phillips stands and addresses the court. 541 00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:57,940 I just want everybody to know that I am innocent. 542 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,280 I am innocent. 543 00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:00,600 I am innocent. 544 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,180 Okay? And I'm really, really... This is hard. So hard for me. It's a nightmare. 545 00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:07,960 This is a nightmare. 546 00:41:07,961 --> 00:41:12,499 I've never had somebody where I went to trial thinking that they were innocent 547 00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:13,840 lose a trial. 548 00:41:14,270 --> 00:41:15,370 And this one she did. 549 00:41:16,070 --> 00:41:19,669 And it wasn't that I thought she was innocent. This one I was absolutely 550 00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:22,860 convinced she was innocent from the evidence that we had dug up. 551 00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:27,270 Both Phillips and Ron Young are appealing their convictions. 552 00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:34,350 But author Carrie Drobin says she believes justice has been served. 553 00:41:34,930 --> 00:41:39,210 It's really a story about two sociopaths. 554 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,840 They didn't have empathy for people. They knew how to manipulate people. 555 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,720 They had one goal in mind, and that was to satiate their hunger, to have money, 556 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,100 and to have more of it. 557 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,759 And that is the quintessential element of being a sociopath, that you just 558 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:02,939 have no remorse, no empathy whatsoever, that you have just murdered the father 559 00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:05,960 of your children in such a heinous way. 560 00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:12,379 Gary Triano's good friend Rusty Sands also has no doubt that Pam Phillips is 561 00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:13,740 right where she belongs. 562 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,020 She's going to live the rest of her life in a place that she's not used to. 563 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,979 She only likes to go to five -star hotels. She wouldn't go to a four -star 564 00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:25,040 hotel. Well, she's not in a hotel anymore. 565 00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:31,360 And I think she's going to live the rest of her life out a very, very sad life. 566 00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:40,839 Next, a hometown hero builds a scam on fake deals and bogus contracts until his 567 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,319 accomplice turns snitch. American Greed scams, scoundrels, and suckers. Next on 568 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,370 CNBC. 569 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,140 The fastest growing cable network in primetime. 570 00:42:52,141 --> 00:42:53,429 CNBC. 571 00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:57,980 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 53276

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