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In this episode of American Greed, the
Romano brothers of Long Island are
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working the phones, selling $75 million
worth of coins to eager and naive
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investors. The salesmen knew who they
could trick and confuse, and they kept
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going back to the well. But when the
family's arrested for mail and wire
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Joseph Romano wants payback from the
ones who put him away.
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A total of $40 ,000 would be paid for
the killing of the judge and the
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prosecutor.
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Prison cameras catch Romano plotting
with a hired
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killer.
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But murder is only part of the gruesome
plan.
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For the first time, Romano's chosen
hitman tells the whole story.
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His hatred towards these two people was
so great.
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He wants her in a 35 -gallon drop. Not a
50, but a 35 -gallon drop.
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That's a little freaky.
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In Levittown, Long Island, 18 -year -old
Michael Romano is an entrepreneur with
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a plan.
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He's recently graduated from Division
Avenue High School, and now he's selling
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collectible coins for a local
telemarketing company.
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He knows nothing about coins, but he's a
strong -willed salesman, says Assistant
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U .S. Attorney Lara Gatz.
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He enjoyed the power that he had over
people, and he enjoyed manipulating them
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and pulling their strings.
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and getting them to do what he wanted
them to do.
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Romano quickly decides he's learned
enough to run his own company.
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He lives in this suburban home where
he's already planting the seeds of a
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criminal empire.
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The Romanos were from a middle -class
family on Long Island.
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From a business purpose, they were not
very that sophisticated. I don't think
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they were highly educated, but yet their
plan was ingenious, what they did.
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In 1988, Romano sets up shop in this
storefront in nearby Massapequa and
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it Wall Street Rare Coins.
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He hires a small sales staff to work his
phones, including his oldest brother,
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Joseph, who has recently left the Navy.
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None of these people had any experience
in the coin industry. None of them
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collected coins themselves. None of them
even liked coins from what we
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understand. It was just a quick way to
make money.
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Joseph, weighing in at nearly 300 pounds
and well over six feet tall, is loud
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and imposing.
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He's the sales manager running the shop
with an iron fist.
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They're hawking a variety of coins, but
Ben Franklin half dollars are
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particularly easy to move.
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Investors like them because they are 90
% silver and because they can be very
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cheap. at the ground level with their
starting, can't go wrong. So they'll
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on, and for $110 or $120 or $150,
they'll buy a couple of rounds of Ben
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half dollars.
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Real coin experts, known as
numismatists, carefully grade coins on a
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to 70.
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Coins falling between 60 and 70 are the
most prized.
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Romano salesmen are claiming they've
landed a windfall.
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Near -perfect coins recently discovered
at estate sales.
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And they came across the hundred rolls
of Benjamin Franklin half dollars that
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hadn't seen the light of day in 40
years.
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All day long, salesmen worked the
phones, targeting mostly retired and
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amateur collectors with once -in -a
-lifetime deals.
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So the idea was start people small with
silver coins, tell them they're going to
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increase in value, get them to buy more
and more coins, and ultimately steal
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their life savings. And that's really
their business model.
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The pitch snares anyone willing to
listen, especially those new to buying
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If you were a savvy coin collector, you
would never have bought coins from
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Michael or Joe Romano because you would
have known right away that something was
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up.
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What's up is that the Romanos aren't
selling rare mint condition coins
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discovered at estate sales.
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They were buying the coins locally.
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They had wholesalers located throughout
Long Island. One of them was in Queens.
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And Michael is grading the coins
himself, giving them arbitrary numbers
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inflate their value.
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Michael Romano decided what he wanted to
sell that coin for and then slapped the
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grade on as an afterthought, frankly.
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So Michael Romano...
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Only job in his life was defrauding
people, selling them bogus coins.
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And he's good at it.
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Michael Romano is on his way to
pocketing nearly $7 million.
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But that success leads to serious
sibling rivalry.
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And in 2001, Joseph quits to start his
own company.
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It's been described as a falling out
over money. It's been described as a
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falling out over sales practices.
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Joe Romano doesn't leave empty -handed.
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He takes his brothers Salvatore and
Vincent with him.
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Joe had an amazing ability to get people
across the board to do what he wanted
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them to do. Things they knew were wrong,
things that they didn't even want to
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do. But he had an incredible way of
convincing people to do his bidding.
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He opens Last Quarter Coin, Inc. in
nearby Copeg, using all the tricks he's
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learned from his kid brother.
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They were running identical scams.
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into two different locations on Long
Island.
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They had a rivalry amongst themselves of
who's making more money, who's the
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smarter one, and who could outdo the
other one.
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Soon, millions will be flowing into
Joseph Romano's pockets as well.
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Next on American Greed, we go inside the
Romano brothers' boiler room fraud to
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see just how well it pays.
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Over the course of the time, I think I
made over $3 million.
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Brothers Michael and Joseph Romano will
each perfect separate coin telemarketing
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frauds on Long Island between 2001 and
2008.
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But Washington State AARP director Doug
Shadel says the real maestros are their
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salesmen who work the phones tirelessly.
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It's like going one -on -one with
Michael Jordan, you know. You're not
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win. These guys are really good on the
phone. That's all they do all day long.
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Michael likes to hire fronters, young
men that he can easily control.
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He would select people to work for him
who he knew he could manipulate, people
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with drug problems, people with
emotional problems, people with family
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Artie, who asks that his identity not be
revealed, begins working for Michael
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Romano in 2006.
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He's 25 years old and addicted to the
club drug GHB.
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Although he knows nothing about coins,
he's offered a job on the spot.
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They originally didn't describe the job
to me. They kind of did a very good job
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of showing me all their beautiful cars
and boats and houses and money and
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watches and jewelry.
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For a drug addict with no money, seeing
Michael's lifestyle is the only pitch
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Artie needs to hear.
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I want that. I want money. I want a
boat. I want a house. I want a nice car.
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Soon, Artie's making a straight 17 %
commission selling collectible coins.
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His office is a textbook boiler room, a
high -pressure cooker designed to make
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money fast.
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No windows, no light, just desks,
phones, and edges.
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Artie works the phone all day long,
selling coins to anyone he can keep on
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line. This coin has... been trending for
upwards of $500.
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Today, you can get it for $350.
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Out of 100 leads, I would say maybe once
or twice, somebody would actually say
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yes.
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Each pitch is carefully scripted. Every
word is written down.
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Incredible condition.
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Beautiful luster.
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Lowest price in years.
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Very limited supply.
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We just got back into town from a great
coin show, and something very exciting
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came in.
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You know, we're trying to create a sense
of urgency to purchase something.
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Artie, the 25 -year -old drug addict,
will make $250 ,000 during his two -and
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-half years working for Michael Romano.
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He admits that kind of money takes the
sting out of ripping people off.
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When you're getting a job that's paying
you $2 ,000 a week, your conscience
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really isn't playing a factor in it.
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Drugs are prohibited in the office.
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But after work, anything goes, says
attorney Mateen Emuna, who represents
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another Romano salesman.
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After work, a lot of these salesmen
would go do lines together, go to strip
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clubs, go to bars, and spend a lot of
money.
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Emuna says Michael Romano routinely
partied and did drugs with employees
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hours.
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He had that godfather mentality.
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He's the one that called the shot.
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He wanted to pretty much say, not only
do I control your life during business
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hours, I control your life after
business hours as well.
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Joseph Romano runs his job differently.
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His closers are top salesmen that won't
take no for an answer.
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These were guys that weren't kids, and
they knew every angle.
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38 -year -old Tom Arnold is Joe Romano's
top closer.
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His trick is to befriend his clients so
that he can get into their wallets.
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You would keep in touch with them. They
would become your new best friend.
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The nicer you spoke to people, the
better results you would get.
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Arnold works the phones with precision,
earning 25 % commission on everything he
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sells. Tom Arnold would inevitably close
the deal because Tom Arnold knew how to
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get people to buy coin. He was excellent
at it. He's an excellent lawyer.
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This video of Arnold and Romano brother
Salvatore shows the men talking and
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enjoying smoke breaks outside the
company.
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But these images, recorded by Joe Romano
himself, provide a rare look behind the
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scenes of a working boiler room.
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He's installed ten security cameras in
the office to make sure his employees
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sticking to the script.
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It was like Oz pulling the strings.
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Joe's idea was, no matter where I am, I
can check on them and see what they're
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doing at any time.
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In these videos, the salesmen are
relentless.
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Repeat customers with deep pockets are
called whales.
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Arnold's job is to get those whales to
keep spending money.
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He does that by offering deals on
increasingly expensive coins.
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You want to sell them as much as you
can.
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It escalated from the Ben Franklin's.
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up to extremely rare sets of coins that
were $50 ,000, $100 ,000 each.
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Under the watchful gaze of his boss,
Arnold keeps closing sales.
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And if his marks claim that they are out
of money, he always has a helpful
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solution. He would encourage them to
take out an equity loan or any type of
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to get the money for the coins.
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Big sales mean big paydays.
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In five years, Arnold says those 25 %
commissions add up quickly.
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Over the course of the time, I think I
made over $3 million.
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But the problem with the Romano boiler
rooms is no matter how smooth the
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promises, how polished the lies, sooner
or later customers realize they're not
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getting what they paid for.
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Criminals have a way of knowing.
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when the House of Cards is about to
fall. And Michael and Joe both knew when
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was time to move on.
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For the Romanos, that's part of the
business plan.
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Between 2001 and 2008, both Joseph and
Michael Romano will each own three coin
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fraud companies on Long Island.
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And they are all the same.
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Nondescript storefronts designed to hide
the past.
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If someone says to you, at the new
company, well, aren't you part of that
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company? They can say, well, no, that
company's gone. This is a new company.
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Next on American Greed, it doesn't
matter who the Romanos have to destroy
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keep the good times going.
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He was just devastated.
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And later, when his back is against the
wall, Joseph Romano plots a grisly
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revenge.
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Joseph, good morning.
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Judge Bianco.
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and prosecutor Gatz killed.
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In the summer of 2008, Tina Morton is
making a heartbreaking discovery in San
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Diego.
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Her uncle, Ray Gibbons, has been caught
in the Romano's coin fraud snare.
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Ray mortgaged his house.
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He sold anything of value, emptied his
bank account. He had nothing by the time
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it was over.
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Gibbons has been secretly giving the
Romanos nearly $370 ,000, practically
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bankrupting himself in the process.
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These common are experts. They know what
to say, how to prey on them, and they
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just have no scruples whatsoever.
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Born in 1923, Ray Gibbons has survived
the Great Depression and World War II,
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where he served in the Navy aboard the
USS Warhawk.
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After the war, Gibbons becomes a design
engineer, settles in Texas, and
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eventually retires from Lockheed
Aircraft in 1991.
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He worked his whole life, lived very
frugally, and was looking forward to
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a nice life in retirement.
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But when Romano's salesmen targeted him
in 2007, Ray Gibbons isn't a war hero.
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He's just a source of easy cash.
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They're very smart.
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He's a sports aficionado, so they would
talk baseball, football, basketball with
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him, gain his trust.
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So he called them his most trusted
friend.
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2 ,600 miles away in Virginia, John is a
recently retired federal parole officer
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who spent 30 years dealing with bad
guys.
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But that experience won't protect him
either when the Romanos come calling in
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2004.
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I feel that I should have been wise in
terms of how this thing went down, but
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these guys, they had it down pat.
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Because his family and friends don't
know the full story, he's asked that his
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identity be kept secret.
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When Joe Romano's top salesman Tom
Arnold calls with a deal on rolls of Ben
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Franklin coins for $390, he jumps on it.
So I thought, well, this must be a good
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investment, and I would make some money,
and needless to say, that point didn't
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work out.
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To keep John buying more coins, Tom
Arnold sweetens the deal.
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He says he's found a wealthy and
mysterious third -party investor who
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purchase all of John's coins for a hefty
profit.
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They would explain that the large
investor was a very rich
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that he didn't want to go through the
trouble of buying individual rolls.
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Ray Gibbons is also hearing the same
promise.
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His so -called benefactor is a Japanese
businessman named Mr.
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Ahita. Mr. Ahita represented his payday.
He never met him, but he talked
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about him like he knew him. I mean, he'd
say, oh, he has a private plane, he has
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all these things.
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But to complete the sale, John and Ray
Gibbons are told they must buy more
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coins, $10 ,000.
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$12 ,000, $30 ,000, even a $44 ,000 roll
of coins.
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The idea was, again, to move the finish
line. The investor that was going to buy
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their coins didn't only want rolls now.
That investor wanted gold coins. That
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investor wanted silver coins.
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But each time Romano investors are
scheduled to buy John and Ray Gibbons
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the deals fall apart.
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Well, the investor decided that he
wanted to buy a couple additional rolls.
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was always...
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There's a good reason these deals never
happened, admits salesman Tom Arnold.
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But John and Ray Gibbons don't know
that.
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They both borrow money from friends and
family, digging themselves in deeper and
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deeper.
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life insurance policy that I had.
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I basically cleaned out a good part of
my savings account.
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It was almost the never -ending scheme
because once they got involved, they
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they couldn't extricate themselves until
they got their money, and they were
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never going to get their money.
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While John, Ray Gibbons, and thousands
of other Romano clients are buying
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themselves into bankruptcy, Michael and
Joseph are basking in the fruits of
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their spoils.
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They lived in a middle -class
residential area. They didn't do
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extravagant, but yet their bank accounts
work for themselves.
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Michael puts much of the $7 million he's
raking in straight into savings.
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He put his money in a checking account
like every average person because he has
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convinced himself over the years that he
did nothing wrong.
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But he does like to splurge, says former
employee Artie.
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He had a Range Rover, had a nice BMW,
nice boat, and a nice house.
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He parties it up in his West Islip
bachelor pad, and when he hits the town,
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money flows freely.
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He was definitely a single guy, trying
to bring home different women every
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night, and, you know, rocking the nice
cars, you know, the nice watches, and
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nice clothes.
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Oldest brother Joseph Romano still lives
down the street from the Levittown
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house he grew up in. But the suburban
facade he's created for himself on Long
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Island doesn't tell the full story.
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Over a five or six year period, Joseph
Romano made over $13 .5 million.
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Joe Romano spends his money on Florida
real estate.
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He dumps more than a million dollars
into a Palm Beach mansion he's built in
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this gated community.
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The children were in private school.
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His wife didn't work.
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He was able to, with the coins for
proceeds, live a very nice lifestyle.
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One of Joe's passions is collecting
antique cars.
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He spends tens of thousands of dollars
rebuilding his prizes from scratch.
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He came to New York regularly, took
people out. He liked to be the big man
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the bar, so to speak.
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He was really a very flashy, flamboyant
person.
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And it's all built on proceeds from a
coin fraud draining thousands of victims
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dry, so long as they don't fight back.
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Next on American Greed.
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The Romanos are about to
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meet their 78 -year -old match.
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I called him a lot. I called him what he
was.
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I should have called him a whole lot
worse.
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By the fall of 2008, 78 -year -old Walt
Shepard is furious with the Romano
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salesman who hound him constantly,
particularly top closer Tom Arnold.
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Shepard spent $141 ,000 on coins he's
bought over the phone.
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Now he's out of money.
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At first I was paying $300 or so for the
first roll of coins, but by the time I
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got to the end, it was something like
$30 ,000.
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Shepard's begun secretly taping the
conversations he's having with Tom
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I knew that somebody ought to do
something about it.
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The tapes gave me the proof, you know,
and it was perfectly evident what had
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happened.
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Shepard lives deep in the oak -covered
hills of North Carolina, and he's never
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been afraid to fight for what he
believes.
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In 1944, 14 -year -old Shepard lies
about his age and enlists in the Army
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Force, where he sees action in the
Pacific.
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A year later, he's already a sergeant at
Iwo Jima, when his captain discovers
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his age and threatens to ship him back
home.
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I said, no, I'm not going anywhere.
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I'm going to stay right here.
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After the war, Shepard spends his life
selling life insurance, designing mobile
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homes, and patenting four inventions.
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But none of that matters once Tom Arnold
gets his number.
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Arnold's always got good news.
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He says Shepard's coins are worth ten
times what he's paid for them.
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Okay, let me get your portfolio up on
the screen over here.
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I've got $1 ,431 ,000.
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Arnold's even found an investor to buy
Shepard coins.
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but the deal never quite works out.
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There was always an excuse that
something happened or they couldn't
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and there'd be a few more days and
they'd drag it out.
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And then after that had time to kind of
cool off, then
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they'd hit you back for another roll of
coins.
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They never left you alone. They called
and called and called.
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Now, all Shepard has to show for $141
,000 is a pile of unopened coins that he
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can't sell.
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On tape, he eventually loses patience
with Tom Arnold.
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Well, I called him a liar. I called him
what he was.
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I should have called him a whole lot
worse.
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Thanks to Arnold's lies, Shepard hopes
his coins are worth seven figures.
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But a local appraiser is less
optimistic.
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So he's being told they're worth $1 .4
million, and they're really worth $20
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,000. That's how egregious the lies were
here. He just confirmed what I probably
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already knew.
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In 2008, Shepard hands over his
recordings to state investigators.
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He's not the only one filing complaints
about the Romano brothers' coin ring,
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says Assistant U .S. Attorney Lara Gatz.
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If it was one or two complaints, it
wouldn't have called for a full federal
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investigation. But there were dozens and
dozens and dozens of complaints.
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Gatz and Postal Inspector Bill Hessel
begin surveillance on the Romano
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operations.
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They interview victims and examine
thousands of bank transactions.
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Hessel even goes undercover, using a
hidden camera to capture Tom Arnold hard
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work.
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The evidence they collect is astounding.
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3 ,000 victims across the country have
lost more than $60 million to Romano
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telemarketers.
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On November 24th, federal agents swoop
in on the boiler rooms run by Michael
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Joseph Romano.
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Salesmen were arrested.
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Coins were seized.
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People were confessing. It certainly was
a good day for the Coins Board
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investigation.
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Among those arrested are salesmen Artie
and Tom Arnold.
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When he meets with Prosecutor Gatz,
Artie is offered a sobering choice.
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I'm either going to quit the business,
accept the responsibility, straighten
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my life, or I'm going to jail, 100%.
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No ifs, ands, or buts.
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So I chose creating out my life.
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Artie's not the only one to turn on his
former boss.
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Tom Arnold and several of the other
salesmen will rat out the Romanos to
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plea deals.
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We had videos, we had the audios, we had
the victims.
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But to have the salesman come up and
say, I was wrong and I know I was lying,
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that's the icing on the cake.
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Both Artie and Tom Arnold plead guilty
and are currently awaiting sentencing.
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All four Romano brothers, Michael,
Joseph, Salvatore, and Vincent, will be
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charged with mail and wire fraud.
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Their cases are overseen by federal
judge Joseph Bianco. Judge Bianco was a
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former prosecutor.
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He's known as being a very competent
judge and a tough judge.
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Judge Bianco allows the brothers to post
bail, so long as they promise no more
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telemarketing operations.
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But Joseph's already made $12 million,
and when he gets back to his Florida
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mansion, he starts a new operation with
the help of a friend named David
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Merkovic.
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Merkovic was a car salesman in Florida,
which is how Joe and he met as neighbors
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and through the car business.
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Murkovic, a six -and -a -half -foot
-tall, 240 -pound former Marine, has
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Joseph Romano living large in Florida.
And now he wants a taste, too.
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Remember, David Murkovic was selling
cars.
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He knew nothing about coins, either.
This fraud doesn't require anything more
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than the ability to lie and manipulate.
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In 2009, they opened Collectible Coins
in Palm Beach County.
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Murkovic will run the operation.
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while Joe sits quietly in the background
collecting more money.
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It turns out to be a boiler room coin
company very similar to the one that was
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established in New York.
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David Merkovic was the store operator of
that company.
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Romano is able to pad his bank account
nicely for almost a year until the feds
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figure out what he's up to.
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When we got wind of what was going on...
The financial records we obtained
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indicated that Joe had earned over a
million dollars during that time.
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In March 2010, Joseph Romano's bail is
revoked, and soon after, Judge Joseph
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Bianco sentences him to 15 years in
federal prison.
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Romano is shocked.
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He's been expecting a slap on the wrist.
Not serious prison time.
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Former salesman Tom Arnold says Joseph
Romano made it clear he holds Judge
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Joseph Bianco and prosecutor Lara Gatz
personally responsible.
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Joe said if they give me 20 years, I'll
kill them.
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And I thought he was kidding.
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And then there was history.
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People say, I'm going to kill that
person. I'm going to break his legs.
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I'm going to beat him up.
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Usually it stops right there.
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Mr. Romano didn't stop there.
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Next on American Greed.
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An exclusive interview
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with the hitman Romano hires to commit
murder.
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He says he has lists of people he needs
taken care of.
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Go inside a boiler room at cnbcprime
.com slash American Greed.
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Feeling greedy?
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-scenes dirt?
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Follow us at AmericanGreedTV on Twitter.
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We'll be right back.
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In the spring of 2012, Joseph Romano is
behind bars, sentenced to 15 years in
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prison for his share of a $60 million
series of telemarketing coin scams.
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Now he's thirsty for revenge, says Lara
Gatz, the assistant U .S. attorney who
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put him and his three brothers away.
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He was the one that stole from people,
but ultimately it came to light that he
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blamed me personally for his
predicament.
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Gatz isn't allowed to talk about what
happens next, but FBI Special Agent
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Ronaldo Terici says Romano begins
plotting a gruesome way to reduce his
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sentence. He felt that if he was able to
eliminate the judge and prosecutor on
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this case, that somehow another
prosecutor and judge would see his
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differently and thus reduce his time in
prison.
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Prison cameras catch him plotting with a
sympathetic ear, a career criminal who
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has also been sentenced by federal judge
Joseph Bianco.
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Joe proceeded to ask the other inmate
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if... He knew somebody on the outside
that could help eliminate the judge or
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kill the prosecutor in the case, Lara
Gatz.
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Romano's new buddy has good news.
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He knows a freelance killer named Bobby
Russo who handles this type of work all
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the time.
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You get this guy to come in on Monday?
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No, probably by the end of the week.
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In an American Greed exclusive
interview, Bobby Russo says he first
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Romano on August 21st at the Nassau
County Correctional Facility.
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He's a big, big man. He's a mountain of
a man. He's got to be 6 '6", and at the
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time he must have been about 310 pounds.
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He's definitely an imposing,
intimidating guy.
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Romano and Russo get straight to
business.
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Neither seems aware that prison security
cameras are recording their
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conversation.
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Joe is vetting Bobby out. He's never met
Bobby before, though
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Joe is obviously being very careful in
his first meeting with Bobby.
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Romano starts off with small talk, but
Russo's in no mood to chat.
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And I said, I'm here for the other
thing.
455
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:18,670
And when I said that, his eyes lit up
and there was a little smile on his
456
00:32:19,090 --> 00:32:23,729
It was a doubt in my mind that he knew
what I was saying to him, and he wanted
457
00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:24,780
me to do it.
458
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:29,750
Romano has a smaller job to test Russo
first.
459
00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:34,349
He wants him to beat up a Long Island
mechanic who has repossessed two of his
460
00:32:34,350 --> 00:32:37,890
prized classic cars and is demanding $70
,000.
461
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,900
Romano will pay Russo $3 ,000 to teach
the mechanic a lesson.
462
00:32:51,901 --> 00:32:56,219
He wanted to see if I could follow
through with that act of violent
463
00:32:56,220 --> 00:32:58,660
And if I could, then we were off to the
races.
464
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,480
Russo's contact on the outside will be
Romano's partner, David Merkovic.
465
00:33:07,810 --> 00:33:13,769
Russo's given a down payment of $1 ,500
and told to bring back proof after he
466
00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:14,970
deals with the mechanic.
467
00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:19,809
Upon the completion of the beating,
Bobby was to call David and say the
468
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:23,550
was a success, and that's exactly what
happened.
469
00:33:24,970 --> 00:33:30,949
On September 25, 2012, Russo and
Merkovic meet in the parking lot of a
470
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:32,000
Island Home Depot.
471
00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:36,810
He shows Merkovic proof that the
mechanic's been beaten.
472
00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:40,310
This photo taken of the victim during
the assault.
473
00:33:40,910 --> 00:33:45,209
I show him the photograph of what we did
to the mechanic, and he's thrilled. He
474
00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:46,260
loves it.
475
00:33:46,270 --> 00:33:49,170
It may be a little cheap, but I do the
work.
476
00:33:51,890 --> 00:33:55,210
Satisfied, Murkovic hands Russo the $1
,500 he's owed.
477
00:33:55,610 --> 00:34:00,550
When Murkovic calls his boss with the
good news, Romano can't hide his joy.
478
00:34:01,470 --> 00:34:06,190
I'm in my cell, dancing around and
singing and stuff, you know?
479
00:34:07,690 --> 00:34:11,110
And I just laugh at my balls off
thinking about that.
480
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:17,669
Later that day, Murkovic calls Russo
again and asks for another sit -down to
481
00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:18,720
talk more business.
482
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:23,130
Russo is careful to record the meeting
as it goes down.
483
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:24,740
We met.
484
00:34:24,810 --> 00:34:31,689
And he sat in my car and he told me,
Joseph wanted Judge Bianco and
485
00:34:31,690 --> 00:34:34,090
Prosecutor Gatz killed.
486
00:34:36,590 --> 00:34:38,989
What are we talking as far as money?
487
00:34:39,670 --> 00:34:41,409
I got to go for $20 ,000.
488
00:34:42,469 --> 00:34:46,130
I say $40 ,000, and he was fine with it.
489
00:34:46,370 --> 00:34:50,650
He did not say a word about the price
that I had wanted to charge.
490
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:58,450
But for that price, Murkovic says his
boss isn't satisfied with just murder.
491
00:34:59,250 --> 00:35:00,890
He's looking for revenge.
492
00:35:01,710 --> 00:35:04,150
He wants both of her heads from now on.
493
00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:12,109
David. instructs Bobby that Joe would
like trophies to include decapitations
494
00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:18,570
the heads retained in formaldehyde as
well as mutilation of the prosecutor.
495
00:35:18,571 --> 00:35:22,269
Gatsby, you've got to make this appear.
496
00:35:22,270 --> 00:35:27,090
He wants her in a 35 -gallon drum. Not a
50, but a 35 -gallon drum.
497
00:35:27,970 --> 00:35:30,430
Stop her in there. Yeah, yeah. She
should fit.
498
00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:34,970
It was so bizarre.
499
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,280
It didn't catch me off balance for a
second.
500
00:35:39,460 --> 00:35:41,040
Definitely not an equal plot.
501
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,419
Murkovic gives Russo $22 ,000 cash as a
down payment, but it needs to happen
502
00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:48,470
fast.
503
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:54,179
This needs to get done immediately
within the next two weeks. Now
504
00:35:54,180 --> 00:36:01,139
the clock is ticking, and two lives are
on the line as this dangerous hitman
505
00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:02,190
closes in.
506
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,720
I collected $22 ,000 to kill the judge
and to kill the prosecutor.
507
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,359
Markovic's stressing, I have to by a
certain date. I have a deadline. I have
508
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,410
due date.
509
00:36:13,740 --> 00:36:19,659
Up next on American Greed, as Joseph
Romano's murderous plot moves to the
510
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:21,560
stage. We got a plan together.
511
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,920
We saddled up. Will Bobby Russo be able
to carry out his boss's orders?
512
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:30,200
Everything is going great for Joe,
except for one thing.
513
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:42,510
October 2012.
514
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:49,629
Joe Romano sits behind bars, waiting for
word that hitman Bobby Russo has killed
515
00:36:49,630 --> 00:36:52,250
the judge and prosecutor who put him
away.
516
00:36:52,770 --> 00:36:56,689
Joe believes it's a plot to kill the
judge, and the prosecutor's moving along
517
00:36:56,690 --> 00:37:01,370
well. He believes that his scheme is
working like a charm.
518
00:37:02,450 --> 00:37:05,710
Russo's been given $22 ,000 and a
deadline.
519
00:37:06,030 --> 00:37:08,410
Now it's up to him to make a move.
520
00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:10,850
I have duty.
521
00:37:10,851 --> 00:37:12,259
I have to deliver.
522
00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:15,150
I have to take care of these two people
to collect my money.
523
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,519
But Russo has chosen not to share one
key detail with Joseph Romano and his
524
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,140
partner David Merkovic until now.
525
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,340
There's only one problem.
526
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:26,610
I'm a psychiatrist.
527
00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:31,520
And we have been on to Merkovic and
Romano from day one.
528
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,300
And we've been recording every step of
this investigation.
529
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:42,039
Bobby Russo is really 18 -year veteran
Suffolk County undercover narcotics
530
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,660
detective Robert Strecker, and he's
eager to take these men down.
531
00:37:47,060 --> 00:37:52,119
Really, what Romano and Markovic were
doing was striking at the foundation of
532
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,419
the judicial system. They were trying to
undermine what keeps our society
533
00:37:55,420 --> 00:37:56,470
together.
534
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,379
Strecker doesn't mind that his real name
is used, but he does ask his face be
535
00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:04,090
concealed to protect future undercover
operations.
536
00:38:04,830 --> 00:38:09,369
He says the entire murder -for -hire
plot has been carefully monitored and
537
00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:13,170
overseen by FBI Special Agent Ronaldo
Terici.
538
00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:19,670
The whole case was really a
collaborative effort by all the agencies
539
00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:24,530
Suffolk County Police, FBI, National
County Police, the U .S. Attorney's
540
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:26,930
National County Corrections.
541
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:31,530
Federal Judge Joseph Bianco and
Prosecutor Lara Getz.
542
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,920
have been carefully protected by U .S.
Marshals since the plot was uncovered.
543
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,639
The prison buddy who connected Romano
with Bobby Russo originally has been
544
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,580
wearing a wire for the FBI all along.
545
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,279
He felt that even in the world of
criminals, that there was a line not to
546
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:55,639
crossed, and the line was being crossed
by Joe Romano asking him to kill the
547
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:56,900
judge and the prosecutor.
548
00:38:57,550 --> 00:39:01,709
And the photo of the beaten Long Island
mechanic that sold Strecker's cover
549
00:39:01,710 --> 00:39:05,130
story? It was faked, with the help of
the mechanic.
550
00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:09,869
So we basically asked him to lie down as
if he had been beaten, and then took a
551
00:39:09,870 --> 00:39:13,709
blurry picture as if somebody would be
running away after having beaten the
552
00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:15,530
mechanic. It worked great.
553
00:39:17,350 --> 00:39:22,669
The entire plot has been carefully
documented, and now Agent Torichi shuts
554
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:23,720
down.
555
00:39:24,670 --> 00:39:27,570
FBI agents swarm Romano's cell.
556
00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:32,889
After being Mirandized, he provided a
full confession and a science warrant
557
00:39:32,890 --> 00:39:36,740
statement about his hatching this plot
to kill the judge and the prosecutor.
558
00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:43,630
At the same time, Agent Terici is in
Florida, arresting David Merkovic.
559
00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:50,729
While at his house, we found in his safe
$18 ,000 in two bundles of 9 ,000,
560
00:39:50,730 --> 00:39:53,430
as well as a loaded pistol in that same
safe.
561
00:39:54,670 --> 00:39:59,549
Caught red -handed, David Merkovic
pleads guilty to conspiracy to commit
562
00:39:59,550 --> 00:40:03,350
and is sentenced to 24 years in August
2013.
563
00:40:04,990 --> 00:40:09,949
Five months later in federal court,
Joseph Romano claims the whole murder
564
00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:11,770
has been blown out of proportion.
565
00:40:12,190 --> 00:40:14,130
He had about an hour -long speech.
566
00:40:14,590 --> 00:40:18,869
as to his view of this case, his view of
the government, and also made
567
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:24,150
references to Moby Dick, and he felt
targeted like Moby Dick was targeted.
568
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:30,209
The man who once referred to his coin
scam victims as whales now compares
569
00:40:30,210 --> 00:40:32,570
himself to the most famous whale of all.
570
00:40:32,850 --> 00:40:38,530
He made an analogy to himself being the
whale with harpoons plunging into him.
571
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:42,270
The judge doesn't buy his whale of a
tale.
572
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:47,709
and Joseph Romano is sentenced to two
life sentences on top of the 15 he is
573
00:40:47,710 --> 00:40:48,760
currently serving.
574
00:40:49,070 --> 00:40:51,150
He went from numbers to letters.
575
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:55,080
You never want letters in the federal
system because it's L -I -F -E.
576
00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:59,090
It's the end of the line for the Romano
family.
577
00:40:59,670 --> 00:41:04,110
Michael Romano is sentenced to 20 years
in prison for mail and wire fraud.
578
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:09,489
Brothers Salvatore and Vincent plead
guilty to mail and wire fraud as well
579
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:10,950
are sentenced to seven years.
580
00:41:10,951 --> 00:41:15,279
I think their next family reunion is
going to be paid for by the Department
581
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,330
Justice.
582
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,460
Today, 3 ,000 victims across the country
struggle to recover.
583
00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:29,339
The coins Walt Shepard spent $141 ,000
on have been appraised for less than $20
584
00:41:29,340 --> 00:41:35,220
,000. He's swamped with taxes and
struggles to survive on Social Security.
585
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:40,340
If I didn't own my home here and I had
to rent somewhere, I couldn't do it.
586
00:41:40,810 --> 00:41:42,070
You know, I couldn't live.
587
00:41:44,070 --> 00:41:46,950
Ray Gibbons lost $370 ,000.
588
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:52,649
Today, he lives in an assisted care
facility in California where the
589
00:41:52,650 --> 00:41:55,990
of his day is playing dominoes with his
niece, Tina Morton.
590
00:41:57,030 --> 00:42:00,790
She says the one -time war hero suffers
from dementia.
591
00:42:01,230 --> 00:42:05,649
If there's one benefit to that, it's he
doesn't remember the coin scam because
592
00:42:05,650 --> 00:42:09,590
that's all he talked about for months
and months and months.
593
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,260
It is just devastating.
594
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:19,799
Targeting the defenseless, the Romano
brothers built a $60 million criminal
595
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:25,739
empire. They lived a life of lies and
fraud, and ultimately they caught up
596
00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:30,120
them. And when Joseph Romano flipped the
coin from greed to murder...
597
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,280
He lost it all. Next, welcome to the
Mile High Club.
598
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,560
You're at 32 ,000 feet in a Gulfstream
jet with a stewardess feeding you
599
00:42:39,660 --> 00:42:41,520
A $31 million con.
600
00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:46,240
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