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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,540 In this episode of American Greed, meet Randy Treadwell. 2 00:00:11,541 --> 00:00:15,259 He knew all the ways to break into people's hearts, to break down that 3 00:00:15,260 --> 00:00:20,360 trust. He claims he's a financial wizard, and he guarantees huge returns. 4 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,599 It was 5 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:32,380 a powerful inducement for people to give them, you know, whatever they had, 6 00:00:32,500 --> 00:00:35,260 whether it was $5 ,000 or $500 ,000. 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,839 There's programs in Europe where you can get anywhere from 1%, 2%, and 3 % a day 8 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:41,890 on your money. 9 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:46,280 But Treadwell and his partners are stealing millions from investors. 10 00:00:46,540 --> 00:00:49,220 When victims get suspicious, Treadwell has a plan. 11 00:00:49,460 --> 00:00:52,400 Just leave them behind and start a new company. 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,519 I was really upset because I couldn't get my money back, but I had no idea the 13 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:58,920 massive realm of this thing. 14 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:18,080 Savannah, Georgia, 2001. 15 00:01:20,060 --> 00:01:24,760 43 -year -old Randy Treadwell has led a straight, relatively quiet life. 16 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,079 He's the son of a Jacksonville preacher and lives with his third wife and their 17 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,130 three children. 18 00:01:31,380 --> 00:01:34,180 He has been a salesman his entire adult life. 19 00:01:34,420 --> 00:01:39,539 And during his sales presentations, he's never been shy to talk about his modest 20 00:01:39,540 --> 00:01:42,680 background. I have a high school education, no college. 21 00:01:44,110 --> 00:01:47,420 The Lord's already blessed me. I've made it a menace in my lifetime. 22 00:01:48,390 --> 00:01:53,150 He sold clothes, insurance, and now nutritional supplements. 23 00:01:53,151 --> 00:01:57,429 Randy Treadwell grew up in the church, and so Randy Treadwell was trained from 24 00:01:57,430 --> 00:02:01,409 very early age on how to get a crowd going, how to convince a crowd. That's a 25 00:02:01,410 --> 00:02:02,610 lot what a preacher does. 26 00:02:04,230 --> 00:02:09,369 In 2001, Treadwell decides his ability to sell can make him much more money in 27 00:02:09,370 --> 00:02:13,270 the world of finance, says former federal prosecutor John Owens. 28 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,779 He's very cunning, and he was able to take certain buzzwords you'd read about 29 00:02:17,780 --> 00:02:21,859 business magazines or hear about maybe on a radio show about finances and kind 30 00:02:21,860 --> 00:02:25,259 of combine them into this mix that sounded like he knew what he was talking 31 00:02:25,260 --> 00:02:26,310 about. 32 00:02:26,340 --> 00:02:28,580 Our returns are over 20 % monthly. 33 00:02:29,060 --> 00:02:35,259 We pay out to our clients anywhere from 5 % a month to 8 .33 % a month. It's not 34 00:02:35,260 --> 00:02:37,120 simple, but it comes down to interest. 35 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,060 Although he has no investing track record. 36 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,699 Treadwell convinces his friend Rick Sluder to join him in starting a new 37 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:49,479 investment company. He names it Quest International, but it has no relation to 38 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,040 the telecommunications giant. 39 00:02:52,180 --> 00:02:57,799 Sluder, a 44 -year -old family man who lives 900 miles away in Tyler, Texas, is 40 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:58,860 an unlikely partner. 41 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,379 He was the manager of a water park at one time. He was not the kind of guy you 42 00:03:04,380 --> 00:03:07,630 would look at to think, hey, he's going to be a great businessman. 43 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,579 But just like Treadwell, Sluder doesn't let his lack of credentials slow him 44 00:03:12,580 --> 00:03:15,600 down, as later recordings of his sales pitch show. 45 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:21,300 It's 8 % plus per month best efforts. 46 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,480 But I can tell you it's absolutely incredible what we've set up. 47 00:03:25,980 --> 00:03:27,920 He was Randy's right -hand man. 48 00:03:28,220 --> 00:03:33,739 What Rick did do was bring investors into the scheme. He was not the main guy 49 00:03:33,740 --> 00:03:37,350 the case, but he was a very important lieutenant to make this thing work. 50 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,520 Sluder opens a tiny office in his hometown of Tyler, Texas. 51 00:03:42,980 --> 00:03:48,139 While Treadwell begins reeling in investors in the southeast, Sluder sets 52 00:03:48,140 --> 00:03:49,380 sights closer to home. 53 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:04,080 In the fall of 2001, Martha Rhodes is making some big changes in her life. 54 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,380 For years, she's traveled the country selling pipeline leases. 55 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,320 But recently, she's returned to her hometown of Jefferson, Texas. 56 00:04:14,380 --> 00:04:19,338 I was looking at other opportunities, too, to stay home near my mother, who 57 00:04:19,339 --> 00:04:22,180 wedded, and lived out in the country at the time. 58 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:29,339 She's engaged to Dave Doris, a successful Houston business owner. And 59 00:04:29,340 --> 00:04:33,660 years, she's also made friends with another Texan named Rick Sluder. 60 00:04:35,210 --> 00:04:40,209 He and his entire family were very religious, always at church, always 61 00:04:40,210 --> 00:04:45,109 something for the church. And I felt him to be a good friend and an upstanding 62 00:04:45,110 --> 00:04:46,160 person. 63 00:04:46,350 --> 00:04:50,810 Recently, Sluder's been telling her about his new company, Quest 64 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:56,730 Martha, unhappy with her current investment returns, is eager to listen. 65 00:04:56,731 --> 00:05:00,569 I was looking for something to earn some money because I was trying to look 66 00:05:00,570 --> 00:05:01,620 toward retirement. 67 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:07,779 He tells her Quest is pursuing high -yield overseas investments on the 68 00:05:07,780 --> 00:05:10,280 exchange market to make quick returns. 69 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:15,680 Sluder explains she'll be loaning money to Quest for 90 days. 70 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,700 In exchange, he guarantees she'll make a 2 % per month return. 71 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,880 In other words, a 26 .824 % annual yield. 72 00:05:25,460 --> 00:05:29,719 Your principal would never be in any jeopardy at all if they didn't meet 73 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,280 figures or above those figures. 74 00:05:31,870 --> 00:05:34,710 you would always be able to get your principal back. 75 00:05:35,030 --> 00:05:36,910 So that made me feel secure about that. 76 00:05:37,810 --> 00:05:43,049 In November of 2001, she drives to his Tyler, Texas office and writes Quest a 77 00:05:43,050 --> 00:05:45,350 check for $10 ,000. 78 00:05:46,690 --> 00:05:47,740 I believed it. 79 00:05:48,930 --> 00:05:53,489 I believed that I could do that, and I foolishly, you know, went ahead and 80 00:05:53,490 --> 00:05:54,540 invested with him. 81 00:05:55,810 --> 00:06:00,410 Martha's check is just one of many Treadwell and Sluder cash in 2001. 82 00:06:01,710 --> 00:06:05,610 There's just one catch, according to FBI Special Agent John Ireland. 83 00:06:06,270 --> 00:06:10,570 Everything Treadwell and Sluder are promising their clients is a lie. 84 00:06:10,571 --> 00:06:13,509 The investments that they were claiming that they made that were generating 85 00:06:13,510 --> 00:06:17,310 these astronomical returns just weren't there, and they were never there. 86 00:06:17,730 --> 00:06:22,330 Next on American Greed, Quest International is just the start. 87 00:06:22,890 --> 00:06:27,829 You've already made your 14 % in 60 days. You now have your billion back, 88 00:06:27,830 --> 00:06:30,660 now you're going into another program that pays higher. 89 00:06:31,490 --> 00:06:36,669 Randy Treadwell and Rick Fluter parlay their beginner's luck into a $65 million 90 00:06:36,670 --> 00:06:41,430 scam. I don't know if it was beginner's luck or if these guys really had very, 91 00:06:41,431 --> 00:06:44,169 very special talent, but these guys were Hall of Famers after their rookie 92 00:06:44,170 --> 00:06:45,220 season. 93 00:06:59,159 --> 00:07:03,539 Martha Rhodes has just written a $10 ,000 investment check to Quest 94 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:04,590 International. 95 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,720 Days later, her friend, Rick Sluder, Quest International's second -in 96 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,380 asks for more. 97 00:07:14,180 --> 00:07:19,260 To convince her, he puts Rhodes on the phone with his boss, Randy Treadwell. 98 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,479 We talked extensively on the phone. He told me more and more about all this and 99 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,370 how wonderful it was, and they'd added some investments. 100 00:07:27,659 --> 00:07:32,759 FBI Special Agent John Ireland says Randy Treadwell's sales talents could 101 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,500 convince even the most skeptical to invest. 102 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,440 Randy was the guy that got on the telephone when the deal needed to be 103 00:07:39,580 --> 00:07:42,800 when the pitched investor really needed to be reeled in. 104 00:07:43,780 --> 00:07:46,790 Subsequently, I went ahead and wired some money to Georgia. 105 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,300 Another $10 ,000. 106 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,720 It seems like a smart move. 107 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:57,359 The paperwork Rhodes is receiving says she's already making an 8 % return on 108 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:58,410 first investment. 109 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:04,859 Flush with success, Martha becomes an inadvertent quest salesman herself when 110 00:08:04,860 --> 00:08:08,060 she convinces her mother to invest $10 ,000 as well. 111 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,399 I made the mistake of discussing this with my mother and showed her my 112 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,119 statements, and I was really excited about it, and so she decided to put some 113 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,420 money in it, very regretfully so. 114 00:08:20,370 --> 00:08:25,689 Believing that the money is pouring in, Martha sends another $15 ,000 check in 115 00:08:25,690 --> 00:08:26,740 December. 116 00:08:27,330 --> 00:08:33,389 Nine months later, her $35 ,000 investment has more than doubled, at 117 00:08:33,390 --> 00:08:38,490 paper. They gave me all these statements, and I sat there and believed 118 00:08:39,570 --> 00:08:44,349 Operating from unimpressive offices like this one in Tyler, Texas, Randy 119 00:08:44,350 --> 00:08:48,450 Treadwell and Rick Sluder realize they want to lure bigger investors. 120 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,210 They'll need to take their show on the road. 121 00:08:51,620 --> 00:08:54,100 Our returns are over 20 % monthly. 122 00:08:54,380 --> 00:09:00,460 We pay out to our clients anywhere from 5 % a month to 8 .33 % a month. 123 00:09:01,260 --> 00:09:06,779 They begin hosting seminars that some clients record in restaurants, hotel 124 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:10,060 conference rooms, and especially churches. 125 00:09:10,540 --> 00:09:14,519 They pitch to anyone who will listen, according to former federal prosecutor 126 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:15,580 John Owens. 127 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,460 It started at the very local level, started in the south, people at church, 128 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:22,800 people in the Savannah area. 129 00:09:22,801 --> 00:09:26,079 But then it started spreading because the word got out, hey, these guys have a 130 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,699 great investment program. They're guys you can trust. They're Christians. 131 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:31,230 And then it started spreading around the country. 132 00:09:31,980 --> 00:09:35,080 They use a variety of stories to hook investors. 133 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,280 But recorded sales meetings suggest the basic pitch is universal. 134 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,179 They've never paid less than their projected rates, and they guarantee 135 00:09:44,180 --> 00:09:45,240 monthly returns. 136 00:09:58,689 --> 00:10:02,949 There was no couching. This was not, we are going to do our best to return the 137 00:10:02,950 --> 00:10:06,889 following to you, or we anticipate that we can make this money for you. The 138 00:10:06,890 --> 00:10:08,349 statement was very definitive. 139 00:10:08,350 --> 00:10:11,150 We can do this. You will not lose money. 140 00:10:11,830 --> 00:10:14,660 And at the end of the day, those are powerful statements. 141 00:10:25,380 --> 00:10:30,819 When asked why he's sharing such a successful program with small investors 142 00:10:30,820 --> 00:10:34,779 he could be making billions on Wall Street, Treadwell says it's because he 143 00:10:34,780 --> 00:10:36,880 simply wants to help the little man. 144 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,319 It's astounding. I mean, really, to be able to sit across from somebody and to 145 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,740 just blatantly lie, and then not to do it once. 146 00:10:44,250 --> 00:10:45,690 but to do it hundreds of times. 147 00:10:46,130 --> 00:10:51,269 Treadwell and Sluder tell clients Quest is pooling their funds to engage in buy 148 00:10:51,270 --> 00:10:55,270 -sell transactions in overseas bank trading programs. 149 00:10:56,150 --> 00:11:00,889 The pitch is complicated, but it sounds reasonable enough to trick even savvy 150 00:11:00,890 --> 00:11:04,590 investors, says FBI Special Agent Maurice Hattier. 151 00:11:05,050 --> 00:11:10,209 Buy it at $1 and sell it for $1 .20, and because of the volume of money that 152 00:11:10,210 --> 00:11:12,850 they had involved through all these clients. 153 00:11:13,580 --> 00:11:16,050 that they were able to make substantial returns. 154 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,420 It's a classic hustle known as a prime bank scam. 155 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:26,479 The con plays to investors by supposedly offering access to super -secret 156 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,300 financial programs that only the rich and powerful know about. 157 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,719 Any time someone tells you they have a special relationship with a bank, that 158 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,399 it's through the backside of banking or it's through a European banker, stay 159 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,450 away. 160 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:40,940 In fact... 161 00:11:41,180 --> 00:11:44,790 Sluder and Treadwell are only investing enough to keep up appearances. 162 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,020 The rest of the money is disappearing as quickly as it comes in. 163 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:54,339 This thing was illegitimate from the beginning and just got bigger and bigger 164 00:11:54,340 --> 00:11:56,750 and bigger and bigger and bigger as time went by. 165 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:02,539 But when people start asking for their returns, Treadwell and Sluder have a 166 00:12:02,540 --> 00:12:04,100 problem. Cash flow. 167 00:12:04,970 --> 00:12:09,009 What had happened was that the schedule that they had put out for payment of 168 00:12:09,010 --> 00:12:11,969 returns, they just couldn't meet. They couldn't meet it with the amount of 169 00:12:11,970 --> 00:12:13,290 that they were bringing in. 170 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:18,570 If their scheme collapses, Treadwell and Sluder will probably go to prison. 171 00:12:19,110 --> 00:12:24,569 But in 2002, they come up with an ingenious way out and invite their 172 00:12:24,570 --> 00:12:30,030 join them with a newer, bigger version of Quest they name Wealth Builders Club. 173 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:33,690 Essentially, it was the same group of people. 174 00:12:34,410 --> 00:12:37,770 Same pitch, just different names, different bank accounts. 175 00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:43,549 Amazingly, even unhappy clients follow, unwilling to risk losing their 176 00:12:43,550 --> 00:12:44,810 investments altogether. 177 00:12:45,230 --> 00:12:50,529 In one clever move, Treadwell and Sluder have essentially hit reset, buying 178 00:12:50,530 --> 00:12:53,770 themselves time to grow and perfect their scam. 179 00:12:54,190 --> 00:12:58,429 There was no investment success whatsoever at Wealth Builders. There was 180 00:12:58,430 --> 00:13:00,350 nothing. It was simply recycling money. 181 00:13:00,351 --> 00:13:03,909 taking money in, paying some of it to other victims to make them think it was 182 00:13:03,910 --> 00:13:07,400 real profit, and taking the rest of it and stuffing it in their pocket. 183 00:13:07,470 --> 00:13:09,130 Next on American Greed. 184 00:13:09,650 --> 00:13:14,049 You got your money over here, make it 8 % plus best efforts. I mean, it's the 185 00:13:14,050 --> 00:13:15,100 best of all the world. 186 00:13:15,790 --> 00:13:20,689 Randy Treadwell takes his new company to even greater heights, tricking others 187 00:13:20,690 --> 00:13:22,390 into spreading his lies. 188 00:13:22,890 --> 00:13:28,409 They use your trust. They use your faith against you. And it's a very powerful 189 00:13:28,410 --> 00:13:30,170 tool in the hands of a Ponzi schemer. 190 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,760 In 2002, Randy Treadwell appears to be a successful Georgia businessman. 191 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:53,159 But recordings of his sales presentations reveal he's also learning 192 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,600 multi -million dollar Ponzi scheme on the fly. 193 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:07,539 But Treadwell 194 00:14:07,540 --> 00:14:09,640 can't close all the sales by himself. 195 00:14:09,641 --> 00:14:14,109 He begins recruiting the very people he's ripping off to become unwitting 196 00:14:14,110 --> 00:14:17,750 shills, according to FBI Special Agent John Ireland. 197 00:14:17,751 --> 00:14:21,329 When you have friends, when you have family, when you have supposed investors 198 00:14:21,330 --> 00:14:25,749 who are making money saying, this is the real deal, it gives you that sense of 199 00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:29,950 confidence of, well, if these folks are doing it, certainly I can do the same. 200 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:35,209 Treadwell hosts biweekly phone meetings with his sales staff to discuss the 201 00:14:35,210 --> 00:14:36,890 latest special investment deals. 202 00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:42,689 And he eventually lures more than 90 senior member representatives to sell on 203 00:14:42,690 --> 00:14:44,710 commission for him across the country. 204 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:49,269 They thought that from their perspective that the program was doing well and 205 00:14:49,270 --> 00:14:50,889 that people were getting returns. 206 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:55,810 So these folks acted as kind of the recruiters and pitchmen at the same 207 00:14:56,870 --> 00:15:01,949 Sales are done over the phone, on the Internet, and at seminars held in 208 00:15:01,950 --> 00:15:04,810 restaurants, hotel conference rooms, and churches. 209 00:15:05,930 --> 00:15:11,930 One sales agent who quickly rises up the ranks is 55 -year -old Larry Saturday. 210 00:15:12,590 --> 00:15:17,229 The biggest thing we've got going is that when your money's moved, your money 211 00:15:17,230 --> 00:15:18,280 protected. 212 00:15:18,450 --> 00:15:22,530 It's not going to be where somebody takes it, gets it, and runs with it. 213 00:15:23,690 --> 00:15:26,650 Saturday lives in Savannah near Treadwell. 214 00:15:26,930 --> 00:15:32,090 Like Randy, he's a natural salesman, says former federal prosecutor John 215 00:15:32,950 --> 00:15:37,889 Saturday's job was to pitch kind of the high roller investors and also to train 216 00:15:37,890 --> 00:15:40,780 other people on how to spread the word of wealth builders. 217 00:15:41,510 --> 00:15:48,269 Whether it's the lure of money 218 00:15:48,270 --> 00:15:54,309 or Randy Treadwell's smooth charms, by 2003, Saturday is proving he can sell a 219 00:15:54,310 --> 00:15:55,910 con as well as Treadwell can. 220 00:15:58,510 --> 00:16:03,689 A nickel or dime, when you're talking millions of dollars, can turn into 221 00:16:03,690 --> 00:16:07,210 millions and millions and even billions of dollars. 222 00:16:08,030 --> 00:16:13,689 On paper, Treadwell's clients are earning outrageous returns, and soon 223 00:16:13,690 --> 00:16:17,909 asking to see their money. To delay them, Treadwell hires a Minnesota 224 00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:23,229 called Cash Cards International to process minimal payments back to his 225 00:16:23,230 --> 00:16:25,270 investors. The victims were given. 226 00:16:25,271 --> 00:16:28,539 essentially little credit cards where they could go and they could withdraw 227 00:16:28,540 --> 00:16:32,820 from ATMs, and that was how the payments were being made back to them. 228 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:39,199 Treadwell funnels nearly $22 million into Cash Cards International, using 229 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,370 of the money to pay his growing sales force. 230 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,019 Although the Cash Cards arrangement appeared legitimate, FBI Special Agent 231 00:16:47,020 --> 00:16:51,979 Maurice Hattier says Treadwell's game was rigged and clients never had much of 232 00:16:51,980 --> 00:16:54,340 chance of actually seeing their money. 233 00:16:54,341 --> 00:16:57,749 It wasn't a situation where you could go in and if you had a $10 ,000 234 00:16:57,750 --> 00:17:00,929 investment, you could just take all the money out because that would crash the 235 00:17:00,930 --> 00:17:04,770 system and create all kind of accounting nightmares for the company. 236 00:17:05,089 --> 00:17:10,729 And some investors find the cards never work at all, as Martha Rhodes discovers 237 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:13,849 when she tries to access her $35 ,000. 238 00:17:14,609 --> 00:17:18,109 I was asking for the entire sum of my principal investment. 239 00:17:18,110 --> 00:17:22,139 And they said, well, we're going to do the cash cards, and you can pull out 240 00:17:22,140 --> 00:17:24,500 something ridiculous like $500 a day. 241 00:17:25,460 --> 00:17:31,100 She tries several times to take money out, but the card never works for her. 242 00:17:31,620 --> 00:17:36,900 When she tells her friend Rick Sluder about the problem, he promises to fix 243 00:17:37,460 --> 00:17:40,890 He said, oh, well, that didn't work out. We're going to reissue these. 244 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,770 We're going to do it different, and you'll be getting your card any day now. 245 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,360 And, of course, that never happened. 246 00:17:48,750 --> 00:17:50,530 Martha decides she's had enough. 247 00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:55,150 She and her fiancé Dave attempt to get her and her mother's money back. 248 00:17:56,230 --> 00:18:01,529 We met him in his office one time, and then we went back another time and I 249 00:18:01,530 --> 00:18:02,580 my mother with us. 250 00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:06,600 And so the three of us accosted him about, you know, getting our principal. 251 00:18:07,630 --> 00:18:13,070 Every time we would walk in his office, we'd sit down, and then he'd say, oh, 252 00:18:13,090 --> 00:18:15,320 goodness, and he'd start shuffling papers. 253 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,220 Sluder never gives her or her mother's money back. 254 00:18:19,420 --> 00:18:23,260 But he does try to recruit Dave to join his sales force. 255 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:29,079 Rick touted Dave to try to sell this. Oh, it's wonderful. Oh, he jumped all 256 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:35,499 me and had all these papers he's going to get me to read and look at them. I 257 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:39,120 kind of wanted to glance through them to see what it said. 258 00:18:40,540 --> 00:18:43,600 So I took them. Of course, I threw them in the trash can. 259 00:18:44,590 --> 00:18:49,429 At one point, Sluder practically admits he's running a Ponzi scheme when he says 260 00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:53,010 he's waiting for $8 million from another investor to come in. 261 00:18:53,011 --> 00:18:57,089 He said as soon as they had that in the bank, he would go ahead and write me a 262 00:18:57,090 --> 00:18:59,070 check, and I'd get my principal back. 263 00:18:59,350 --> 00:19:03,690 So I just said, in other words, you're going to rob Peter to pay Paul, you 264 00:19:04,290 --> 00:19:07,830 The harder they try, the more elusive Sluder becomes. 265 00:19:08,650 --> 00:19:11,540 Eventually, he stops answering their calls altogether. 266 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:13,730 Couldn't reach him at all. 267 00:19:14,060 --> 00:19:18,779 I mean, you might as well not leave a message that he's not going to return a 268 00:19:18,780 --> 00:19:19,830 call. 269 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,819 That may be because Treadwell and Sluder have found themselves in the same 270 00:19:23,820 --> 00:19:27,919 trouble they had with their first company, too many people looking for 271 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,540 that no longer exists. 272 00:19:29,541 --> 00:19:33,599 So what these guys did, which was very smart, was they just kept changing the 273 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:39,219 name. They could hit the reset button every nine months to a year and keep 274 00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:40,270 and going and going. 275 00:19:41,770 --> 00:19:47,269 This time, Treadwell takes his key sales staff on a luxury cruise, booking 276 00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:50,310 lavish accommodations for himself and his lieutenants. 277 00:19:51,310 --> 00:19:53,710 Once at sea, he makes his big announcement. 278 00:19:53,910 --> 00:19:58,770 He's starting yet another new company, and everyone's invited to join him. 279 00:19:58,771 --> 00:20:02,489 We're not going to call it Wealth Builders anymore. We're now going to 280 00:20:02,490 --> 00:20:03,540 Learn Waterhouse. 281 00:20:03,730 --> 00:20:09,610 Learn Waterhouse is a reset, just like Wealth Builders Club was a year earlier. 282 00:20:10,220 --> 00:20:14,940 But to keep his scam from imploding, Treadwell needs more cash flow than 283 00:20:15,060 --> 00:20:18,320 He decides to add an expert to his inner circle. 284 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,150 When the scheme first began, financially it was relatively simple. 285 00:20:22,151 --> 00:20:26,139 It was basically paying checks to Randy Trevo and Ricky Fluter in the names of 286 00:20:26,140 --> 00:20:29,100 their companies, either Wealth Builders or Quest. 287 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,280 But over time, Trevo realized it would be good to have some insulation. 288 00:20:33,620 --> 00:20:36,420 So in comes a lawyer named Arnie Acosta. 289 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,460 40 -year -old Arnufo LaCosta is a Texas attorney with a checkered past. 290 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,859 He's been disciplined twice for minor bar violations, and apparently he and 291 00:20:47,860 --> 00:20:49,960 Treadwell share some common connections. 292 00:20:50,780 --> 00:20:54,879 Somehow, LaCosta got hooked up with Treadwell. They're like -minded people. 293 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:55,879 had a common goal. 294 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,020 Let's rip off as many people as we can, and they succeeded at it. 295 00:20:59,850 --> 00:21:04,469 Adding a lawyer like Arnie Acosta to the mix makes Learn Waterhouse look more 296 00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:09,470 legitimate to new investors, says FBI forensic accountant Aaron Rich. 297 00:21:09,910 --> 00:21:14,709 The use of a lawyer gives it the guise of it's more authentic because, you 298 00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:18,090 this has to be legitimate because a lawyer is involved, right? 299 00:21:18,550 --> 00:21:20,870 Acosta takes control of the contracts. 300 00:21:21,450 --> 00:21:24,710 and handles the money that's flowing into Learn Waterhouse. 301 00:21:25,050 --> 00:21:29,989 The victims or the investors would write a check directly to Arnaulfo Acosta, or 302 00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:34,009 they would write a check to his law office, at which point he would deposit 303 00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:36,790 check into his attorney -client trust account. 304 00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:43,370 By July of 2004, over $24 million is processed through Acosta's account. 305 00:21:45,030 --> 00:21:48,450 The money is supposed to be used for future investments. 306 00:21:49,310 --> 00:21:54,109 But instead, it pays off early investors, sales staff, and goes into 307 00:21:54,110 --> 00:21:55,610 of Treadwell and his partners. 308 00:21:57,870 --> 00:22:03,130 Next on American Greed, Treadwell uses his charm to sell his scam again. 309 00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:08,009 But this time, he faces a skeptic. I told him that something doesn't smell 310 00:22:08,010 --> 00:22:10,150 right. Something doesn't smell right. 311 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:28,339 By 2004, Learn Waterhouse has more than 1 ,700 clients scattered across the 312 00:22:28,340 --> 00:22:32,120 United States, thanks to Randy Treadwell and his sales force. 313 00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:38,419 FBI Special Agent Maurice Hattier says Treadwell has his hands full finding new 314 00:22:38,420 --> 00:22:40,020 investors to lure in. 315 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,160 Randy Treadwell's not sitting behind a desk at a corporate office. 316 00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:49,919 He's out, you know, at restaurants, at churches, at different places, pitching 317 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,750 people. That's the lifeblood of a Ponzi. 318 00:22:55,810 --> 00:23:00,809 Treadwell often goes back to his roots, inviting himself to local churches and 319 00:23:00,810 --> 00:23:04,110 speaking directly to the congregations about his programs. 320 00:23:04,790 --> 00:23:09,709 FBI Special Agent John Ireland says that's because he knows that churchgoers 321 00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:13,450 will be more trusting when the son of a preacher man comes calling. 322 00:23:13,451 --> 00:23:17,759 That's one of the aspects that really surprised me, which is the ability to 323 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,519 in the church and talk to the pastor and the congregation and give this pitch, 324 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,679 knowing that all that you're doing at the end of the day is just taking that 325 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:25,730 money. 326 00:23:27,060 --> 00:23:32,499 In October 2003, accountant Charles Wilson is asked by the pastor of his 327 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:35,920 Jacksonville church if he's heard of Randy Treadwell. 328 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,639 Some members of the church had asked him about Learn Waterhouse and an 329 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,900 investment opportunity. 330 00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:46,730 He didn't know anything about it. I had not heard of it at that point. 331 00:23:47,020 --> 00:23:51,719 Treadwell pulls out all the stops to impress Wilson, promising his usual 332 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,000 guaranteed returns for any church member who invests in their programs. 333 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:01,599 They invest money overseas overnight, and they're making a quarter of a 334 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,519 return on their money overnight. But if you take that quarter percent over 365 335 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:12,340 days, what is that 90 -plus percent return on your money? 336 00:24:13,230 --> 00:24:17,809 On the surface, it all sounds good, which is why Wilson thinks so many 337 00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:20,430 who didn't know better fell for the con. 338 00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:24,629 You get retired individuals that are on fixed income. They need additional 339 00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:28,810 money. They start hearing that instead of getting what the bank's paying them, 340 00:24:28,910 --> 00:24:31,650 they're hearing that they can get 20 % a month. 341 00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:33,950 Yeah, they're going to listen. 342 00:24:34,750 --> 00:24:37,350 But Wilson is a certified public accountant. 343 00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:40,110 He doesn't buy the promises for a moment. 344 00:24:40,530 --> 00:24:45,989 He could get... you know, even a 5 % per month return, he could be in Wall 345 00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:49,270 Street with trillions of dollars being thrown at him. 346 00:24:50,610 --> 00:24:54,909 Wilson advises his friends in the congregation to steer clear of Learn 347 00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:58,770 Waterhouse. But the lure of money proved stronger than his warnings. 348 00:24:59,670 --> 00:25:04,390 And several members ignored his advice and sent their money to Randy Treadwell. 349 00:25:05,790 --> 00:25:09,330 As recordings of his sales presentation show... 350 00:25:10,090 --> 00:25:11,830 a company with integrity and honor. 351 00:25:12,030 --> 00:25:14,830 The power of his lies is undeniable. 352 00:25:15,130 --> 00:25:19,829 And bottom line is, our clients get paid, we get paid, everybody's happy, 353 00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:20,880 win -win. 354 00:25:21,130 --> 00:25:27,809 By 2004, Treadwell and his partners have taken in nearly $65 355 00:25:27,810 --> 00:25:28,860 million. 356 00:25:29,410 --> 00:25:32,290 Much of the money is used to keep the Ponzi scheme going. 357 00:25:32,830 --> 00:25:38,149 But at least $6 million goes straight into Randy Treadwell, Arnie Acosta, Rick 358 00:25:38,150 --> 00:25:40,780 Sluder, and Larry Saturday's pockets. 359 00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:43,040 Randy had the limitless ATM. 360 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:47,159 As long as he could keep bringing people into this scheme, he could keep 361 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,159 spending, which then gave him even more incentive to continue to lie to people 362 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,860 and cheat people to feed this monster he had created. 363 00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:58,080 Treadwell himself collects nearly $3 .6 million. 364 00:25:59,220 --> 00:26:03,859 Although his wife is never implicated in his schemes, she does benefit nicely 365 00:26:03,860 --> 00:26:07,060 when he builds her a brand -new dance studio in Savannah. 366 00:26:07,061 --> 00:26:10,219 His wife's dream was always to have her own dance studio. 367 00:26:10,220 --> 00:26:15,679 People spend their whole life to build up a dance studio, and Mr. Treadwell 368 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,640 had it handed to her, bought with victims' money. 369 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:24,820 Treadwell develops a passion for trouble. 370 00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:32,559 His clients expect him to score big returns, and he certainly tries, but not 371 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,260 their benefits, says FBI forensic accountant Aaron Rich. 372 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,199 Mr. Treadwell had lots of expenses at the different hotels in Las Vegas, the 373 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,420 Bellagio, in the Four Seasons. 374 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,980 You see lots of air travel to Las Vegas also. 375 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,940 And lots of cash withdrawals at different casinos in Las Vegas. 376 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,220 He must think the good times will last forever. 377 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,880 He buys and renovates a mansion in an exclusive gated community. 378 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,860 He hits the town in a Lincoln Navigator. 379 00:27:03,770 --> 00:27:09,529 He also buys a $100 ,000 Sea Ray Sundancer to cruise the intercoastal 380 00:27:09,530 --> 00:27:11,790 between Savannah and Jacksonville. 381 00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:15,869 I'm not talking about a bass fishing boat or a rowboat. This is the kind of 382 00:27:15,870 --> 00:27:19,710 thing you take people out on in the open seas, a very, very nice boat. 383 00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:25,589 But all of the principals, Randy Treadwell, Rick Sluder, Larry Saturday, 384 00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:30,069 attorney Arnie Acosta, take advantage of the jewel in the Learn Waterhouse 385 00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:31,069 crown. 386 00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:35,829 It's a luxury box at All -Tel Football Stadium, home of the Jacksonville 387 00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:42,409 Jaguars. They had it for two seasons, and they spent over $300 ,000 on those 388 00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:47,529 seats. And on top of the box seats, we could see transfers or payments to the 389 00:27:47,530 --> 00:27:51,329 Jacksonville Jaguars just for regular individual tickets of several thousand 390 00:27:51,330 --> 00:27:52,410 dollars on top of that. 391 00:27:52,570 --> 00:27:56,449 We think that was one of his grand plans, was he was going to host the 392 00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:59,930 Learn Waterhouse party at the Super Bowl. 393 00:28:00,490 --> 00:28:01,930 after the 2004 season. 394 00:28:02,130 --> 00:28:07,409 The box is the perfect place to wine and dine clients and to reel in more 395 00:28:07,410 --> 00:28:13,489 investors. If you have a luxury box at an NFL game, you've made it. You're 396 00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:17,889 legitimate. You're not a fly -by -night operation. Only real businessmen could 397 00:28:17,890 --> 00:28:19,150 have something like that. 398 00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:25,390 In 2004, Treadwell's living the good life, but his clients are getting fed 399 00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:30,689 Unable to access their money, Some dissatisfied customers have begun 400 00:28:30,690 --> 00:28:33,990 state securities regulators in Iowa and Alabama. 401 00:28:33,991 --> 00:28:36,709 Treadwell finally starts running into some problems. 402 00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:40,789 Some of the local authorities, local regulatory authorities, started looking 403 00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:43,389 Treadwell very, very carefully. But he still survives. 404 00:28:43,390 --> 00:28:45,620 He still manages to bring in people's money. 405 00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:50,449 Randy Treadwell's been running his scam for three years, and these recordings 406 00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:52,730 suggest he's not ready to stop yet. 407 00:28:53,270 --> 00:28:54,320 Not one. 408 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,899 of our clients has ever lost one penny in five and a half years, and we're not 409 00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:00,950 going to start now. 410 00:29:01,460 --> 00:29:02,510 Amen. 411 00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:08,380 Coming up, the tables turn, and Randy's own words betray him. 412 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,399 I assume that you guys put your own money into this because you believe in 413 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,450 much. 414 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,010 Absolutely. 415 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,499 I was blown away not only by what these guys were saying, but the amount of 416 00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:21,539 money they were stealing. 417 00:29:21,540 --> 00:29:22,920 We've got to stop these guys. 418 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:30,099 To view FBI undercover video of Randy Treadwell selling his schemes, visit 419 00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:35,220 AmericanGreed .CNBC .com. Follow us on Twitter at American Greed TV. 420 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,860 We'll be right back. 421 00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:49,580 By early summer 2004, complaints filed with state regulators in Alabama 422 00:29:50,350 --> 00:29:53,690 have helped bring Learn Waterhouse to the attention of the FBI. 423 00:29:54,130 --> 00:29:58,490 And federal prosecutor John Owens decides to do something about it. 424 00:29:59,350 --> 00:30:02,360 One thing with a guy like Randy Treadwell is he loves to talk. 425 00:30:02,490 --> 00:30:04,720 So the plan was, we've got to get him talking. 426 00:30:05,730 --> 00:30:11,789 In June, FBI Special Agent Maurice Hattier goes undercover for a series of 427 00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:15,110 with Randy Treadwell, Rick Sluder, and Larry Saturday. 428 00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:18,190 Hey, Randy, can you give me some... 429 00:30:18,410 --> 00:30:21,470 idea of just, you know, the track record. 430 00:30:21,670 --> 00:30:26,530 I mean, have you guys ever missed a payment or been late on a payment, you 431 00:30:26,531 --> 00:30:27,449 to an investor? 432 00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:28,500 No. 433 00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:35,709 Hattier says he's representing a high -rolling investor with $12 million, and 434 00:30:35,710 --> 00:30:38,570 he's thinking about putting it all in Learn Waterhouse. 435 00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:45,670 We do nothing unless it is totally 100 % guaranteed. 436 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:49,310 of what we call a no -risk transaction. 437 00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:54,550 Treadwell, Sluder, and Saturday eagerly take the bait. 438 00:30:57,181 --> 00:30:58,709 They 439 00:30:58,710 --> 00:31:09,569 don't 440 00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:12,589 miss a beat when they're responding to questions. There's no hesitation. 441 00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:14,510 They're very engaging personalities. 442 00:31:15,130 --> 00:31:16,450 Let me say this to you. 443 00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:21,120 I've had my companies, okay, in business over five years. 444 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,259 There's not been one client in 29 countries that's ever lost one cent in 445 00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:29,580 company. Not one cent, amen. 446 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,519 The recordings were fantastic, and we knew they were false because the FBI 447 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,419 that, for example, Martha Doris had lost her money long before these 448 00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:41,559 conversations occurred. 449 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,819 And then you have Randy Treadwell saying no one's ever lost a penny investing in 450 00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:45,870 Learn Water Health. 451 00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:50,569 But Hattier's more interested in revisiting a previous conversation 452 00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:56,089 with sales rep Larry Saturday, during which he promised an unbelievable 500 % 453 00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:59,470 investment return to a confidential informant. 454 00:31:59,830 --> 00:32:06,709 At the end of that two -month period, it's a 500 % return on that 455 00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:07,760 $3 million. 456 00:32:07,930 --> 00:32:09,110 500 %? 457 00:32:09,390 --> 00:32:13,050 Which turns out to $15 million. That is correct. 458 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,439 When Hattier brings up this outrageous offer, it takes Randy Treadwell by 459 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,800 surprise, but just for a moment. 460 00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:23,400 Randy Treadwell just jumped right on. 461 00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:27,600 I mean, he didn't try and back off from it. He bought into it. 462 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,299 You're a great client of ours, and as those programs open up, we're the first 463 00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:35,220 tell you that, hey, it's now available. 464 00:32:35,221 --> 00:32:41,039 Investigators realize Treadwell's been making these outrageous promises for 465 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,090 years. 466 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,440 and he's raked in more than $60 million. 467 00:32:44,860 --> 00:32:48,500 But only $5 million has actually gone into legitimate investments. 468 00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:54,479 The rest has been used to pay early investors or on commissions to his sales 469 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,600 force and his lavish lifestyle. 470 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,859 Leading to the inevitable flame -out all Ponzi schemes face, says FBI Special 471 00:33:02,860 --> 00:33:03,960 Agent John Ireland. 472 00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:09,769 Mathematically, these things can't stay alive for more than a few cycles or 473 00:33:09,770 --> 00:33:11,090 generations of investors. 474 00:33:11,091 --> 00:33:14,269 And that's exactly what happened with these. Eventually, they kind of 475 00:33:14,270 --> 00:33:15,410 under their own weight. 476 00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:23,550 On October 13, 2004, the feds come knocking in Texas, Georgia, 477 00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:24,800 and Florida. 478 00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:29,429 The FBI, through its different divisions, executed search warrants 479 00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:30,329 United States. 480 00:33:30,330 --> 00:33:34,250 Learnwater House's offices, private residences. 481 00:33:34,910 --> 00:33:39,949 Arnie Acosta's law firm. There was numerous law enforcement action 482 00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:41,000 the United States. 483 00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:42,830 No arrests are made. 484 00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:47,469 But that same week, the Securities and Exchange Commission files a complaint 485 00:33:47,470 --> 00:33:52,130 against Learn Waterhouse, effectively freezing the company's bank accounts. 486 00:33:52,131 --> 00:33:56,269 And that was very important because we didn't want Treadwell burning through 487 00:33:56,270 --> 00:33:57,830 what was left of people's money. 488 00:33:58,010 --> 00:34:03,679 Of the $65 million that has gone into Randy Treadwell's companies, Less than 489 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,900 million remains. 490 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:11,479 When a Ponzi scheme stops, it really stops because there's no more money 491 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,959 in. And because there's no legitimate business underneath it, the whole thing 492 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,959 collapses. So Treadwell went from having that limitless ATM to basically having 493 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,010 nothing overnight. 494 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,620 Treadwell begs his clients not to snitch to the FBI. 495 00:34:26,620 --> 00:34:29,900 The idea was that if we can get your money back to you... 496 00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:34,109 don't participate, don't disrupt things, and there became a very active campaign 497 00:34:34,110 --> 00:34:37,770 of trying to get people to stop talking to the FBI. 498 00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:42,909 One investor in Georgia is out $500 ,000. 499 00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:48,489 With the FBI circling around Learn Waterhouse, he figures he has some pull. 500 00:34:49,370 --> 00:34:54,428 So he arranges a sit -down at his office with Treadwell and Saturday to get his 501 00:34:54,429 --> 00:34:55,479 money back. 502 00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:58,930 They're telling you it's a Ponzi, but it's not. 503 00:35:05,540 --> 00:35:10,619 What Treadwell and Saturday don't know is that this investor has invited the 504 00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:13,620 feds to watch as a hidden camera rolls. 505 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:24,639 We had our victim 506 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,179 investor who got to ask some very pointed questions. What's happening with 507 00:35:28,180 --> 00:35:31,760 money? Is this money secure? Am I ever going to see this money again? 508 00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:37,899 Randy, what's wrong with you doing what you said you would do if I would not go 509 00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:44,779 to FBI or talk to them or help them out with this thing? If you give me 510 00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:50,580 a note with my $500 ,000 back and I've got a note, period. 511 00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:52,160 I will sign it. 512 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,339 Treadwell's grasping at straws. He even offers the man an opportunity to invest 513 00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:05,139 in another venture, the supposed recovery of a 500 -year -old Spanish 514 00:36:05,140 --> 00:36:08,780 filled with gold that Treadwell claims has just been found. 515 00:36:08,781 --> 00:36:13,619 A billion dollars in assets underneath the bottom of the ocean. Oh, a billion 516 00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:19,099 dollars. Yeah, and 10%, you know, for the salvage belt, you can get 10 % of 517 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:24,410 that. And it was a fantastic opportunity to get the pitch live on camera. 518 00:36:24,830 --> 00:36:27,180 The video really does kind of speak for itself. 519 00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:29,270 It's the pitch in its purest form. 520 00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:34,870 But it's not enough to convince the investor to give him more money. 521 00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:38,330 though, does dodge paying back the original $500 ,000. 522 00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:42,350 Next, the feds move to shut Treadwell down. 523 00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:46,430 But he still can't resist trying for one last score. 524 00:36:46,930 --> 00:36:48,650 Even after he's been indicted. 525 00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:51,380 Treadwell is still trying to rip off people. 526 00:37:04,850 --> 00:37:11,109 On September 8, 2005, Randy Treadwell, Larry Saturday, Rick Sluder, and Arnie 527 00:37:11,110 --> 00:37:14,990 Acosta are arrested on charges of wire fraud and conspiracy. 528 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,700 for their roles in running a four -year Ponzi scheme. 529 00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:25,999 They are accused of bilking 1 ,700 investors in 39 states out of nearly $65 530 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,050 million. 531 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,720 Treadwell's family posts a $1 .5 million bail. 532 00:37:31,721 --> 00:37:35,819 And you would think, okay, you've been indicted, time to play nice, time to do 533 00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:36,659 the right thing. 534 00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:40,090 Randy Treadwell didn't do that. He tried to scam another individual. 535 00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:45,699 In November, a retired Florida businessman approaches the FBI with a 536 00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:51,639 story. He says Randy Treadwell has been asking him for $300 ,000, allegedly to 537 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,740 free a kidnapped foreign official. 538 00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:58,419 Treadwell claims the deal is being channeled to the United Nations and is 539 00:37:58,420 --> 00:38:00,320 actually a win -win investment. 540 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:06,599 Randy Treadwell claimed that if they paid $300 ,000 now, they would get the 541 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,300 ,000 back plus another $300 ,000. Thank you. 542 00:38:09,301 --> 00:38:12,729 because this was to rescue someone who had been kidnapped. 543 00:38:12,730 --> 00:38:17,229 When they go to withdraw the money, a security check at the bank reveals the 544 00:38:17,230 --> 00:38:19,010 story is just another scam. 545 00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:25,289 Treadwell is rearrested for violating the terms of his bond and spends the 546 00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:27,210 of his pretrial time in jail. 547 00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:31,929 I think it was a lifestyle for him. He only knew one way. And again, that was 548 00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:33,190 his only source of income. 549 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,839 And once the issues with Learn Waterhouse arose and that sort of dried 550 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,090 had to find other means to put money in his pocket to pay his bills. 551 00:38:42,540 --> 00:38:48,439 Two weeks before the trial is set to begin in 2007, attorney Arnulfo Acosta 552 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,100 abruptly pleads guilty to conspiracy charges. 553 00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:56,400 He's suspected of stealing more than $2 million from Learn Waterhouse investors. 554 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,059 He received, I believe, eight years in prison or so. But the other gentleman 555 00:39:01,060 --> 00:39:02,620 wanted to continue their fight. 556 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,070 They wanted to continue going to trial. That's what happened. 557 00:39:07,580 --> 00:39:14,199 When the trial begins in San Diego, Martha Rhodes, who lost $35 ,000 to the 558 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:19,000 and whose mother lost another $10 ,000, is the first person to take the stand. 559 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,659 That was probably their best representation for the smaller investor 560 00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:26,310 apparently they built these people out of millions. 561 00:39:26,830 --> 00:39:31,629 Martha and other witnesses share similar stories of how the defendants used 562 00:39:31,630 --> 00:39:36,450 religious connections and outrageous guarantees to steal their life savings. 563 00:39:37,450 --> 00:39:42,329 During a recess, she comes face to face with the man who stole her money, former 564 00:39:42,330 --> 00:39:44,030 friend Rick Sluder. 565 00:39:44,330 --> 00:39:47,809 I was sitting at a bench and he leaned down and kind of gave me a little 566 00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:50,730 hug and said, how are you? And I said, not too well. 567 00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:55,250 I mean, I thought how ludicrous to be asking me this. 568 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:01,059 At trial, the jury learns that Treadwell's greed even extends to 569 00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:05,879 partners. Though he's taken more than $3 million for himself, he's only given 570 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,340 right -hand man Rick Sluder $200 ,000. 571 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,800 And sales agent Larry Saturday received even less, taking only $180 ,000. 572 00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:21,720 Treadwell, Sluder, and Saturday claim they never meant to steal any money. 573 00:40:21,721 --> 00:40:25,809 Instead, they try to pin the blame on the one defendant who's already pleaded 574 00:40:25,810 --> 00:40:29,510 guilty, former attorney Arnie Acosta. 575 00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:31,790 You've got to blame someone. 576 00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:35,030 So why not blame the crooked lawyer from Texas? 577 00:40:35,031 --> 00:40:37,049 Why not blame the guy who's pled guilty? 578 00:40:37,050 --> 00:40:39,940 And that's what they tried to do. The jury wasn't buying it. 579 00:40:40,110 --> 00:40:45,569 Four weeks later, the federal jury finds Randy Treadwell, Rick Sluder, and Larry 580 00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:46,830 Saturday guilty. 581 00:40:47,250 --> 00:40:50,110 And the judge's response is harsh. 582 00:40:50,780 --> 00:40:55,520 He sentenced Randy Treadwell to 300 months, or 25 years. 583 00:40:55,780 --> 00:41:01,560 He also came down very hard on Ricky Sluder, sentencing him to 168 months. 584 00:41:01,561 --> 00:41:05,639 Larry Saturday, the judge recognized, came in a little bit later and sentenced 585 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,700 him to 60 months. 586 00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:12,919 Randy Treadwell, the former salesman and preacher's son with no prior criminal 587 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:18,840 record, has traded his freedom and family for a 25 -year prison sentence. 588 00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:23,120 Apparently it was all greed. 589 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:26,000 Greed, lies, and everything. 590 00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:29,800 He's destroyed hundreds of lives in the process. 591 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:35,160 Many have lost their life savings to a con artist they thought was a friend. 592 00:41:35,161 --> 00:41:39,419 People think, oh great, he's found guilty, I'm going to get my money back. 593 00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:40,359 Well, no. 594 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,410 The money's gone. 595 00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:45,479 Your investment went for that Super Bowl, that boat, that car, that dance 596 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,479 studio. 597 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,530 It's gone. 598 00:41:47,531 --> 00:41:51,999 There is no money back. So often victims in these cases get back pennies on the 599 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,160 dollar, if anything. 600 00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:58,859 Martha Rhodes has learned to accept she may never see the rest of her money 601 00:41:58,860 --> 00:41:59,910 again. 602 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,340 A little over $1 ,500. $1 ,500, brother. 603 00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:07,779 So it's a drop in the bucket, but it was better than nothing. And they just 604 00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:09,280 called it first distribution. 605 00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:13,440 Haven't heard another word from them since 2010, so I don't know. 606 00:42:14,430 --> 00:42:18,230 when that might be forthcoming to get anything else, if it will ever be. 607 00:42:19,810 --> 00:42:23,949 Treadwell and his partners used friendship and religion to trick their 608 00:42:23,950 --> 00:42:25,330 into handing over millions. 609 00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:29,989 But when friends like Randy Treadwell come asking for money, former prosecutor 610 00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:32,450 John Owens has some timeless advice. 611 00:42:33,090 --> 00:42:36,670 Go with that gut instinct. If it doesn't sound good, stay away from it. 612 00:42:37,050 --> 00:42:39,110 There is no gold at the end of the rainbow. 613 00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:43,190 There is no money growing on trees. It simply doesn't exist. 614 00:42:43,191 --> 00:42:45,229 What is at the end of the rainbow? 615 00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:47,810 And what does grow on trees are fraudsters. 616 00:42:47,860 --> 00:42:52,410 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 59206

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