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In this episode of American Greed, meet
Randy Treadwell.
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He knew all the ways to break into
people's hearts, to break down that
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trust. He claims he's a financial
wizard, and he guarantees huge returns.
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It was
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a powerful inducement for people to give
them, you know, whatever they had,
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whether it was $5 ,000 or $500 ,000.
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There's programs in Europe where you can
get anywhere from 1%, 2%, and 3 % a day
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on your money.
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But Treadwell and his partners are
stealing millions from investors.
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When victims get suspicious, Treadwell
has a plan.
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Just leave them behind and start a new
company.
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I was really upset because I couldn't
get my money back, but I had no idea the
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massive realm of this thing.
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Savannah, Georgia, 2001.
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43 -year -old Randy Treadwell has led a
straight, relatively quiet life.
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He's the son of a Jacksonville preacher
and lives with his third wife and their
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three children.
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He has been a salesman his entire adult
life.
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And during his sales presentations, he's
never been shy to talk about his modest
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background. I have a high school
education, no college.
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The Lord's already blessed me. I've made
it a menace in my lifetime.
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He sold clothes, insurance, and now
nutritional supplements.
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Randy Treadwell grew up in the church,
and so Randy Treadwell was trained from
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very early age on how to get a crowd
going, how to convince a crowd. That's a
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lot what a preacher does.
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In 2001, Treadwell decides his ability
to sell can make him much more money in
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the world of finance, says former
federal prosecutor John Owens.
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He's very cunning, and he was able to
take certain buzzwords you'd read about
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business magazines or hear about maybe
on a radio show about finances and kind
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of combine them into this mix that
sounded like he knew what he was talking
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about.
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Our returns are over 20 % monthly.
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We pay out to our clients anywhere from
5 % a month to 8 .33 % a month. It's not
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simple, but it comes down to interest.
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Although he has no investing track
record.
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Treadwell convinces his friend Rick
Sluder to join him in starting a new
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investment company. He names it Quest
International, but it has no relation to
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the telecommunications giant.
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Sluder, a 44 -year -old family man who
lives 900 miles away in Tyler, Texas, is
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an unlikely partner.
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He was the manager of a water park at
one time. He was not the kind of guy you
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would look at to think, hey, he's going
to be a great businessman.
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But just like Treadwell, Sluder doesn't
let his lack of credentials slow him
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down, as later recordings of his sales
pitch show.
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It's 8 % plus per month best efforts.
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But I can tell you it's absolutely
incredible what we've set up.
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He was Randy's right -hand man.
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What Rick did do was bring investors
into the scheme. He was not the main guy
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the case, but he was a very important
lieutenant to make this thing work.
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Sluder opens a tiny office in his
hometown of Tyler, Texas.
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While Treadwell begins reeling in
investors in the southeast, Sluder sets
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sights closer to home.
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In the fall of 2001, Martha Rhodes is
making some big changes in her life.
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For years, she's traveled the country
selling pipeline leases.
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But recently, she's returned to her
hometown of Jefferson, Texas.
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I was looking at other opportunities,
too, to stay home near my mother, who
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wedded, and lived out in the country at
the time.
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She's engaged to Dave Doris, a
successful Houston business owner. And
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years, she's also made friends with
another Texan named Rick Sluder.
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He and his entire family were very
religious, always at church, always
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something for the church. And I felt him
to be a good friend and an upstanding
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person.
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Recently, Sluder's been telling her
about his new company, Quest
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Martha, unhappy with her current
investment returns, is eager to listen.
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I was looking for something to earn some
money because I was trying to look
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toward retirement.
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He tells her Quest is pursuing high
-yield overseas investments on the
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exchange market to make quick returns.
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Sluder explains she'll be loaning money
to Quest for 90 days.
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In exchange, he guarantees she'll make a
2 % per month return.
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In other words, a 26 .824 % annual
yield.
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Your principal would never be in any
jeopardy at all if they didn't meet
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figures or above those figures.
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you would always be able to get your
principal back.
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So that made me feel secure about that.
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In November of 2001, she drives to his
Tyler, Texas office and writes Quest a
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check for $10 ,000.
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I believed it.
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I believed that I could do that, and I
foolishly, you know, went ahead and
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invested with him.
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Martha's check is just one of many
Treadwell and Sluder cash in 2001.
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There's just one catch, according to FBI
Special Agent John Ireland.
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Everything Treadwell and Sluder are
promising their clients is a lie.
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The investments that they were claiming
that they made that were generating
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these astronomical returns just weren't
there, and they were never there.
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Next on American Greed, Quest
International is just the start.
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You've already made your 14 % in 60
days. You now have your billion back,
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now you're going into another program
that pays higher.
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Randy Treadwell and Rick Fluter parlay
their beginner's luck into a $65 million
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scam. I don't know if it was beginner's
luck or if these guys really had very,
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very special talent, but these guys were
Hall of Famers after their rookie
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season.
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Martha Rhodes has just written a $10
,000 investment check to Quest
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International.
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Days later, her friend, Rick Sluder,
Quest International's second -in
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asks for more.
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To convince her, he puts Rhodes on the
phone with his boss, Randy Treadwell.
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We talked extensively on the phone. He
told me more and more about all this and
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how wonderful it was, and they'd added
some investments.
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FBI Special Agent John Ireland says
Randy Treadwell's sales talents could
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convince even the most skeptical to
invest.
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Randy was the guy that got on the
telephone when the deal needed to be
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when the pitched investor really needed
to be reeled in.
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Subsequently, I went ahead and wired
some money to Georgia.
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Another $10 ,000.
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It seems like a smart move.
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The paperwork Rhodes is receiving says
she's already making an 8 % return on
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first investment.
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Flush with success, Martha becomes an
inadvertent quest salesman herself when
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she convinces her mother to invest $10
,000 as well.
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I made the mistake of discussing this
with my mother and showed her my
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statements, and I was really excited
about it, and so she decided to put some
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money in it, very regretfully so.
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Believing that the money is pouring in,
Martha sends another $15 ,000 check in
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December.
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Nine months later, her $35 ,000
investment has more than doubled, at
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paper. They gave me all these
statements, and I sat there and believed
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Operating from unimpressive offices like
this one in Tyler, Texas, Randy
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Treadwell and Rick Sluder realize they
want to lure bigger investors.
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They'll need to take their show on the
road.
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Our returns are over 20 % monthly.
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We pay out to our clients anywhere from
5 % a month to 8 .33 % a month.
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They begin hosting seminars that some
clients record in restaurants, hotel
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conference rooms, and especially
churches.
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They pitch to anyone who will listen,
according to former federal prosecutor
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John Owens.
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It started at the very local level,
started in the south, people at church,
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people in the Savannah area.
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But then it started spreading because
the word got out, hey, these guys have a
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great investment program. They're guys
you can trust. They're Christians.
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And then it started spreading around the
country.
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They use a variety of stories to hook
investors.
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But recorded sales meetings suggest the
basic pitch is universal.
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They've never paid less than their
projected rates, and they guarantee
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monthly returns.
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There was no couching. This was not, we
are going to do our best to return the
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following to you, or we anticipate that
we can make this money for you. The
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statement was very definitive.
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We can do this. You will not lose money.
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And at the end of the day, those are
powerful statements.
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When asked why he's sharing such a
successful program with small investors
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he could be making billions on Wall
Street, Treadwell says it's because he
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simply wants to help the little man.
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It's astounding. I mean, really, to be
able to sit across from somebody and to
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just blatantly lie, and then not to do
it once.
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but to do it hundreds of times.
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Treadwell and Sluder tell clients Quest
is pooling their funds to engage in buy
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-sell transactions in overseas bank
trading programs.
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The pitch is complicated, but it sounds
reasonable enough to trick even savvy
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investors, says FBI Special Agent
Maurice Hattier.
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Buy it at $1 and sell it for $1 .20, and
because of the volume of money that
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they had involved through all these
clients.
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that they were able to make substantial
returns.
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It's a classic hustle known as a prime
bank scam.
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The con plays to investors by supposedly
offering access to super -secret
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financial programs that only the rich
and powerful know about.
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Any time someone tells you they have a
special relationship with a bank, that
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it's through the backside of banking or
it's through a European banker, stay
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away.
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In fact...
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Sluder and Treadwell are only investing
enough to keep up appearances.
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The rest of the money is disappearing as
quickly as it comes in.
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This thing was illegitimate from the
beginning and just got bigger and bigger
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and bigger and bigger and bigger as time
went by.
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But when people start asking for their
returns, Treadwell and Sluder have a
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problem. Cash flow.
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What had happened was that the schedule
that they had put out for payment of
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returns, they just couldn't meet. They
couldn't meet it with the amount of
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that they were bringing in.
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If their scheme collapses, Treadwell and
Sluder will probably go to prison.
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But in 2002, they come up with an
ingenious way out and invite their
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join them with a newer, bigger version
of Quest they name Wealth Builders Club.
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Essentially, it was the same group of
people.
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Same pitch, just different names,
different bank accounts.
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Amazingly, even unhappy clients follow,
unwilling to risk losing their
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investments altogether.
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In one clever move, Treadwell and Sluder
have essentially hit reset, buying
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themselves time to grow and perfect
their scam.
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There was no investment success
whatsoever at Wealth Builders. There was
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nothing. It was simply recycling money.
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taking money in, paying some of it to
other victims to make them think it was
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real profit, and taking the rest of it
and stuffing it in their pocket.
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Next on American Greed.
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You got your money over here, make it 8
% plus best efforts. I mean, it's the
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best of all the world.
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Randy Treadwell takes his new company to
even greater heights, tricking others
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into spreading his lies.
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They use your trust. They use your faith
against you. And it's a very powerful
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tool in the hands of a Ponzi schemer.
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In 2002, Randy Treadwell appears to be a
successful Georgia businessman.
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But recordings of his sales
presentations reveal he's also learning
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multi -million dollar Ponzi scheme on
the fly.
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But Treadwell
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can't close all the sales by himself.
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He begins recruiting the very people
he's ripping off to become unwitting
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shills, according to FBI Special Agent
John Ireland.
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When you have friends, when you have
family, when you have supposed investors
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who are making money saying, this is the
real deal, it gives you that sense of
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confidence of, well, if these folks are
doing it, certainly I can do the same.
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Treadwell hosts biweekly phone meetings
with his sales staff to discuss the
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latest special investment deals.
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And he eventually lures more than 90
senior member representatives to sell on
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commission for him across the country.
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They thought that from their perspective
that the program was doing well and
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that people were getting returns.
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So these folks acted as kind of the
recruiters and pitchmen at the same
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Sales are done over the phone, on the
Internet, and at seminars held in
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restaurants, hotel conference rooms, and
churches.
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One sales agent who quickly rises up the
ranks is 55 -year -old Larry Saturday.
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The biggest thing we've got going is
that when your money's moved, your money
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protected.
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It's not going to be where somebody
takes it, gets it, and runs with it.
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Saturday lives in Savannah near
Treadwell.
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Like Randy, he's a natural salesman,
says former federal prosecutor John
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Saturday's job was to pitch kind of the
high roller investors and also to train
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other people on how to spread the word
of wealth builders.
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Whether it's the lure of money
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or Randy Treadwell's smooth charms, by
2003, Saturday is proving he can sell a
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con as well as Treadwell can.
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A nickel or dime, when you're talking
millions of dollars, can turn into
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millions and millions and even billions
of dollars.
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On paper, Treadwell's clients are
earning outrageous returns, and soon
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asking to see their money. To delay
them, Treadwell hires a Minnesota
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called Cash Cards International to
process minimal payments back to his
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investors. The victims were given.
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essentially little credit cards where
they could go and they could withdraw
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from ATMs, and that was how the payments
were being made back to them.
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Treadwell funnels nearly $22 million
into Cash Cards International, using
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of the money to pay his growing sales
force.
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Although the Cash Cards arrangement
appeared legitimate, FBI Special Agent
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Maurice Hattier says Treadwell's game
was rigged and clients never had much of
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chance of actually seeing their money.
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It wasn't a situation where you could go
in and if you had a $10 ,000
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investment, you could just take all the
money out because that would crash the
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system and create all kind of accounting
nightmares for the company.
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And some investors find the cards never
work at all, as Martha Rhodes discovers
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when she tries to access her $35 ,000.
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I was asking for the entire sum of my
principal investment.
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And they said, well, we're going to do
the cash cards, and you can pull out
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something ridiculous like $500 a day.
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She tries several times to take money
out, but the card never works for her.
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When she tells her friend Rick Sluder
about the problem, he promises to fix
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He said, oh, well, that didn't work out.
We're going to reissue these.
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We're going to do it different, and
you'll be getting your card any day now.
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And, of course, that never happened.
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Martha decides she's had enough.
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She and her fiancé Dave attempt to get
her and her mother's money back.
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We met him in his office one time, and
then we went back another time and I
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my mother with us.
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And so the three of us accosted him
about, you know, getting our principal.
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Every time we would walk in his office,
we'd sit down, and then he'd say, oh,
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goodness, and he'd start shuffling
papers.
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Sluder never gives her or her mother's
money back.
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But he does try to recruit Dave to join
his sales force.
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Rick touted Dave to try to sell this.
Oh, it's wonderful. Oh, he jumped all
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me and had all these papers he's going
to get me to read and look at them. I
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kind of wanted to glance through them to
see what it said.
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So I took them. Of course, I threw them
in the trash can.
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At one point, Sluder practically admits
he's running a Ponzi scheme when he says
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he's waiting for $8 million from another
investor to come in.
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He said as soon as they had that in the
bank, he would go ahead and write me a
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check, and I'd get my principal back.
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So I just said, in other words, you're
going to rob Peter to pay Paul, you
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The harder they try, the more elusive
Sluder becomes.
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Eventually, he stops answering their
calls altogether.
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Couldn't reach him at all.
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I mean, you might as well not leave a
message that he's not going to return a
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call.
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That may be because Treadwell and Sluder
have found themselves in the same
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trouble they had with their first
company, too many people looking for
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that no longer exists.
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So what these guys did, which was very
smart, was they just kept changing the
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name. They could hit the reset button
every nine months to a year and keep
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and going and going.
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This time, Treadwell takes his key sales
staff on a luxury cruise, booking
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lavish accommodations for himself and
his lieutenants.
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Once at sea, he makes his big
announcement.
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He's starting yet another new company,
and everyone's invited to join him.
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We're not going to call it Wealth
Builders anymore. We're now going to
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Learn Waterhouse.
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Learn Waterhouse is a reset, just like
Wealth Builders Club was a year earlier.
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But to keep his scam from imploding,
Treadwell needs more cash flow than
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He decides to add an expert to his inner
circle.
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When the scheme first began, financially
it was relatively simple.
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It was basically paying checks to Randy
Trevo and Ricky Fluter in the names of
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their companies, either Wealth Builders
or Quest.
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But over time, Trevo realized it would
be good to have some insulation.
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So in comes a lawyer named Arnie Acosta.
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40 -year -old Arnufo LaCosta is a Texas
attorney with a checkered past.
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He's been disciplined twice for minor
bar violations, and apparently he and
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Treadwell share some common connections.
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Somehow, LaCosta got hooked up with
Treadwell. They're like -minded people.
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had a common goal.
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Let's rip off as many people as we can,
and they succeeded at it.
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Adding a lawyer like Arnie Acosta to the
mix makes Learn Waterhouse look more
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legitimate to new investors, says FBI
forensic accountant Aaron Rich.
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The use of a lawyer gives it the guise
of it's more authentic because, you
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this has to be legitimate because a
lawyer is involved, right?
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Acosta takes control of the contracts.
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and handles the money that's flowing
into Learn Waterhouse.
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The victims or the investors would write
a check directly to Arnaulfo Acosta, or
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they would write a check to his law
office, at which point he would deposit
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check into his attorney -client trust
account.
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By July of 2004, over $24 million is
processed through Acosta's account.
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The money is supposed to be used for
future investments.
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But instead, it pays off early
investors, sales staff, and goes into
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of Treadwell and his partners.
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Next on American Greed, Treadwell uses
his charm to sell his scam again.
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But this time, he faces a skeptic. I
told him that something doesn't smell
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right. Something doesn't smell right.
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By 2004, Learn Waterhouse has more than
1 ,700 clients scattered across the
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United States, thanks to Randy Treadwell
and his sales force.
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FBI Special Agent Maurice Hattier says
Treadwell has his hands full finding new
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investors to lure in.
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Randy Treadwell's not sitting behind a
desk at a corporate office.
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He's out, you know, at restaurants, at
churches, at different places, pitching
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people. That's the lifeblood of a Ponzi.
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Treadwell often goes back to his roots,
inviting himself to local churches and
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speaking directly to the congregations
about his programs.
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FBI Special Agent John Ireland says
that's because he knows that churchgoers
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will be more trusting when the son of a
preacher man comes calling.
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That's one of the aspects that really
surprised me, which is the ability to
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in the church and talk to the pastor and
the congregation and give this pitch,
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knowing that all that you're doing at
the end of the day is just taking that
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money.
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In October 2003, accountant Charles
Wilson is asked by the pastor of his
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Jacksonville church if he's heard of
Randy Treadwell.
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Some members of the church had asked him
about Learn Waterhouse and an
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investment opportunity.
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He didn't know anything about it. I had
not heard of it at that point.
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Treadwell pulls out all the stops to
impress Wilson, promising his usual
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guaranteed returns for any church member
who invests in their programs.
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They invest money overseas overnight,
and they're making a quarter of a
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return on their money overnight. But if
you take that quarter percent over 365
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days, what is that 90 -plus percent
return on your money?
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On the surface, it all sounds good,
which is why Wilson thinks so many
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who didn't know better fell for the con.
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You get retired individuals that are on
fixed income. They need additional
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money. They start hearing that instead
of getting what the bank's paying them,
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they're hearing that they can get 20 % a
month.
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Yeah, they're going to listen.
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But Wilson is a certified public
accountant.
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He doesn't buy the promises for a
moment.
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He could get... you know, even a 5 % per
month return, he could be in Wall
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Street with trillions of dollars being
thrown at him.
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Wilson advises his friends in the
congregation to steer clear of Learn
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Waterhouse. But the lure of money proved
stronger than his warnings.
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And several members ignored his advice
and sent their money to Randy Treadwell.
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As recordings of his sales presentation
show...
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a company with integrity and honor.
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The power of his lies is undeniable.
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And bottom line is, our clients get
paid, we get paid, everybody's happy,
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win -win.
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By 2004, Treadwell and his partners have
taken in nearly $65
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million.
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Much of the money is used to keep the
Ponzi scheme going.
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But at least $6 million goes straight
into Randy Treadwell, Arnie Acosta, Rick
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Sluder, and Larry Saturday's pockets.
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Randy had the limitless ATM.
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As long as he could keep bringing people
into this scheme, he could keep
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spending, which then gave him even more
incentive to continue to lie to people
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and cheat people to feed this monster he
had created.
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Treadwell himself collects nearly $3 .6
million.
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Although his wife is never implicated in
his schemes, she does benefit nicely
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when he builds her a brand -new dance
studio in Savannah.
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His wife's dream was always to have her
own dance studio.
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People spend their whole life to build
up a dance studio, and Mr. Treadwell
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had it handed to her, bought with
victims' money.
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Treadwell develops a passion for
trouble.
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His clients expect him to score big
returns, and he certainly tries, but not
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their benefits, says FBI forensic
accountant Aaron Rich.
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Mr. Treadwell had lots of expenses at
the different hotels in Las Vegas, the
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Bellagio, in the Four Seasons.
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You see lots of air travel to Las Vegas
also.
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And lots of cash withdrawals at
different casinos in Las Vegas.
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He must think the good times will last
forever.
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He buys and renovates a mansion in an
exclusive gated community.
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He hits the town in a Lincoln Navigator.
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He also buys a $100 ,000 Sea Ray
Sundancer to cruise the intercoastal
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between Savannah and Jacksonville.
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I'm not talking about a bass fishing
boat or a rowboat. This is the kind of
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thing you take people out on in the open
seas, a very, very nice boat.
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But all of the principals, Randy
Treadwell, Rick Sluder, Larry Saturday,
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attorney Arnie Acosta, take advantage of
the jewel in the Learn Waterhouse
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crown.
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It's a luxury box at All -Tel Football
Stadium, home of the Jacksonville
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Jaguars. They had it for two seasons,
and they spent over $300 ,000 on those
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seats. And on top of the box seats, we
could see transfers or payments to the
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Jacksonville Jaguars just for regular
individual tickets of several thousand
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dollars on top of that.
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We think that was one of his grand
plans, was he was going to host the
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Learn Waterhouse party at the Super
Bowl.
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after the 2004 season.
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The box is the perfect place to wine and
dine clients and to reel in more
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investors. If you have a luxury box at
an NFL game, you've made it. You're
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legitimate. You're not a fly -by -night
operation. Only real businessmen could
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have something like that.
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In 2004, Treadwell's living the good
life, but his clients are getting fed
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Unable to access their money, Some
dissatisfied customers have begun
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state securities regulators in Iowa and
Alabama.
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Treadwell finally starts running into
some problems.
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Some of the local authorities, local
regulatory authorities, started looking
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Treadwell very, very carefully. But he
still survives.
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He still manages to bring in people's
money.
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Randy Treadwell's been running his scam
for three years, and these recordings
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suggest he's not ready to stop yet.
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Not one.
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of our clients has ever lost one penny
in five and a half years, and we're not
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going to start now.
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Amen.
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Coming up, the tables turn, and Randy's
own words betray him.
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I assume that you guys put your own
money into this because you believe in
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much.
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Absolutely.
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I was blown away not only by what these
guys were saying, but the amount of
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money they were stealing.
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We've got to stop these guys.
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To view FBI undercover video of Randy
Treadwell selling his schemes, visit
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AmericanGreed .CNBC .com. Follow us on
Twitter at American Greed TV.
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We'll be right back.
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By early summer 2004, complaints filed
with state regulators in Alabama
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have helped bring Learn Waterhouse to
the attention of the FBI.
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And federal prosecutor John Owens
decides to do something about it.
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One thing with a guy like Randy
Treadwell is he loves to talk.
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So the plan was, we've got to get him
talking.
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In June, FBI Special Agent Maurice
Hattier goes undercover for a series of
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with Randy Treadwell, Rick Sluder, and
Larry Saturday.
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Hey, Randy, can you give me some...
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idea of just, you know, the track
record.
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I mean, have you guys ever missed a
payment or been late on a payment, you
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to an investor?
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No.
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Hattier says he's representing a high
-rolling investor with $12 million, and
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he's thinking about putting it all in
Learn Waterhouse.
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We do nothing unless it is totally 100 %
guaranteed.
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of what we call a no -risk transaction.
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Treadwell, Sluder, and Saturday eagerly
take the bait.
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They
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don't
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miss a beat when they're responding to
questions. There's no hesitation.
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They're very engaging personalities.
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Let me say this to you.
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I've had my companies, okay, in business
over five years.
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There's not been one client in 29
countries that's ever lost one cent in
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company. Not one cent, amen.
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00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,519
The recordings were fantastic, and we
knew they were false because the FBI
447
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,419
that, for example, Martha Doris had lost
her money long before these
448
00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:41,559
conversations occurred.
449
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,819
And then you have Randy Treadwell saying
no one's ever lost a penny investing in
450
00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:45,870
Learn Water Health.
451
00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:50,569
But Hattier's more interested in
revisiting a previous conversation
452
00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:56,089
with sales rep Larry Saturday, during
which he promised an unbelievable 500 %
453
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:59,470
investment return to a confidential
informant.
454
00:31:59,830 --> 00:32:06,709
At the end of that two -month period,
it's a 500 % return on that
455
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:07,760
$3 million.
456
00:32:07,930 --> 00:32:09,110
500 %?
457
00:32:09,390 --> 00:32:13,050
Which turns out to $15 million. That is
correct.
458
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,439
When Hattier brings up this outrageous
offer, it takes Randy Treadwell by
459
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,800
surprise, but just for a moment.
460
00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:23,400
Randy Treadwell just jumped right on.
461
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:27,600
I mean, he didn't try and back off from
it. He bought into it.
462
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,299
You're a great client of ours, and as
those programs open up, we're the first
463
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:35,220
tell you that, hey, it's now available.
464
00:32:35,221 --> 00:32:41,039
Investigators realize Treadwell's been
making these outrageous promises for
465
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,090
years.
466
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,440
and he's raked in more than $60 million.
467
00:32:44,860 --> 00:32:48,500
But only $5 million has actually gone
into legitimate investments.
468
00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:54,479
The rest has been used to pay early
investors or on commissions to his sales
469
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,600
force and his lavish lifestyle.
470
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,859
Leading to the inevitable flame -out all
Ponzi schemes face, says FBI Special
471
00:33:02,860 --> 00:33:03,960
Agent John Ireland.
472
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:09,769
Mathematically, these things can't stay
alive for more than a few cycles or
473
00:33:09,770 --> 00:33:11,090
generations of investors.
474
00:33:11,091 --> 00:33:14,269
And that's exactly what happened with
these. Eventually, they kind of
475
00:33:14,270 --> 00:33:15,410
under their own weight.
476
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:23,550
On October 13, 2004, the feds come
knocking in Texas, Georgia,
477
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:24,800
and Florida.
478
00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:29,429
The FBI, through its different
divisions, executed search warrants
479
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:30,329
United States.
480
00:33:30,330 --> 00:33:34,250
Learnwater House's offices, private
residences.
481
00:33:34,910 --> 00:33:39,949
Arnie Acosta's law firm. There was
numerous law enforcement action
482
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:41,000
the United States.
483
00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:42,830
No arrests are made.
484
00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:47,469
But that same week, the Securities and
Exchange Commission files a complaint
485
00:33:47,470 --> 00:33:52,130
against Learn Waterhouse, effectively
freezing the company's bank accounts.
486
00:33:52,131 --> 00:33:56,269
And that was very important because we
didn't want Treadwell burning through
487
00:33:56,270 --> 00:33:57,830
what was left of people's money.
488
00:33:58,010 --> 00:34:03,679
Of the $65 million that has gone into
Randy Treadwell's companies, Less than
489
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,900
million remains.
490
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:11,479
When a Ponzi scheme stops, it really
stops because there's no more money
491
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,959
in. And because there's no legitimate
business underneath it, the whole thing
492
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,959
collapses. So Treadwell went from having
that limitless ATM to basically having
493
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,010
nothing overnight.
494
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,620
Treadwell begs his clients not to snitch
to the FBI.
495
00:34:26,620 --> 00:34:29,900
The idea was that if we can get your
money back to you...
496
00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:34,109
don't participate, don't disrupt things,
and there became a very active campaign
497
00:34:34,110 --> 00:34:37,770
of trying to get people to stop talking
to the FBI.
498
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:42,909
One investor in Georgia is out $500
,000.
499
00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:48,489
With the FBI circling around Learn
Waterhouse, he figures he has some pull.
500
00:34:49,370 --> 00:34:54,428
So he arranges a sit -down at his office
with Treadwell and Saturday to get his
501
00:34:54,429 --> 00:34:55,479
money back.
502
00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:58,930
They're telling you it's a Ponzi, but
it's not.
503
00:35:05,540 --> 00:35:10,619
What Treadwell and Saturday don't know
is that this investor has invited the
504
00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:13,620
feds to watch as a hidden camera rolls.
505
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:24,639
We had our victim
506
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,179
investor who got to ask some very
pointed questions. What's happening with
507
00:35:28,180 --> 00:35:31,760
money? Is this money secure? Am I ever
going to see this money again?
508
00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:37,899
Randy, what's wrong with you doing what
you said you would do if I would not go
509
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:44,779
to FBI or talk to them or help them out
with this thing? If you give me
510
00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:50,580
a note with my $500 ,000 back and I've
got a note, period.
511
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:52,160
I will sign it.
512
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,339
Treadwell's grasping at straws. He even
offers the man an opportunity to invest
513
00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:05,139
in another venture, the supposed
recovery of a 500 -year -old Spanish
514
00:36:05,140 --> 00:36:08,780
filled with gold that Treadwell claims
has just been found.
515
00:36:08,781 --> 00:36:13,619
A billion dollars in assets underneath
the bottom of the ocean. Oh, a billion
516
00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:19,099
dollars. Yeah, and 10%, you know, for
the salvage belt, you can get 10 % of
517
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:24,410
that. And it was a fantastic opportunity
to get the pitch live on camera.
518
00:36:24,830 --> 00:36:27,180
The video really does kind of speak for
itself.
519
00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:29,270
It's the pitch in its purest form.
520
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:34,870
But it's not enough to convince the
investor to give him more money.
521
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:38,330
though, does dodge paying back the
original $500 ,000.
522
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:42,350
Next, the feds move to shut Treadwell
down.
523
00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:46,430
But he still can't resist trying for one
last score.
524
00:36:46,930 --> 00:36:48,650
Even after he's been indicted.
525
00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:51,380
Treadwell is still trying to rip off
people.
526
00:37:04,850 --> 00:37:11,109
On September 8, 2005, Randy Treadwell,
Larry Saturday, Rick Sluder, and Arnie
527
00:37:11,110 --> 00:37:14,990
Acosta are arrested on charges of wire
fraud and conspiracy.
528
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,700
for their roles in running a four -year
Ponzi scheme.
529
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:25,999
They are accused of bilking 1 ,700
investors in 39 states out of nearly $65
530
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,050
million.
531
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,720
Treadwell's family posts a $1 .5 million
bail.
532
00:37:31,721 --> 00:37:35,819
And you would think, okay, you've been
indicted, time to play nice, time to do
533
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:36,659
the right thing.
534
00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:40,090
Randy Treadwell didn't do that. He tried
to scam another individual.
535
00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:45,699
In November, a retired Florida
businessman approaches the FBI with a
536
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:51,639
story. He says Randy Treadwell has been
asking him for $300 ,000, allegedly to
537
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,740
free a kidnapped foreign official.
538
00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:58,419
Treadwell claims the deal is being
channeled to the United Nations and is
539
00:37:58,420 --> 00:38:00,320
actually a win -win investment.
540
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:06,599
Randy Treadwell claimed that if they
paid $300 ,000 now, they would get the
541
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,300
,000 back plus another $300 ,000. Thank
you.
542
00:38:09,301 --> 00:38:12,729
because this was to rescue someone who
had been kidnapped.
543
00:38:12,730 --> 00:38:17,229
When they go to withdraw the money, a
security check at the bank reveals the
544
00:38:17,230 --> 00:38:19,010
story is just another scam.
545
00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:25,289
Treadwell is rearrested for violating
the terms of his bond and spends the
546
00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:27,210
of his pretrial time in jail.
547
00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:31,929
I think it was a lifestyle for him. He
only knew one way. And again, that was
548
00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:33,190
his only source of income.
549
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,839
And once the issues with Learn
Waterhouse arose and that sort of dried
550
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,090
had to find other means to put money in
his pocket to pay his bills.
551
00:38:42,540 --> 00:38:48,439
Two weeks before the trial is set to
begin in 2007, attorney Arnulfo Acosta
552
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,100
abruptly pleads guilty to conspiracy
charges.
553
00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:56,400
He's suspected of stealing more than $2
million from Learn Waterhouse investors.
554
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,059
He received, I believe, eight years in
prison or so. But the other gentleman
555
00:39:01,060 --> 00:39:02,620
wanted to continue their fight.
556
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,070
They wanted to continue going to trial.
That's what happened.
557
00:39:07,580 --> 00:39:14,199
When the trial begins in San Diego,
Martha Rhodes, who lost $35 ,000 to the
558
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:19,000
and whose mother lost another $10 ,000,
is the first person to take the stand.
559
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,659
That was probably their best
representation for the smaller investor
560
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:26,310
apparently they built these people out
of millions.
561
00:39:26,830 --> 00:39:31,629
Martha and other witnesses share similar
stories of how the defendants used
562
00:39:31,630 --> 00:39:36,450
religious connections and outrageous
guarantees to steal their life savings.
563
00:39:37,450 --> 00:39:42,329
During a recess, she comes face to face
with the man who stole her money, former
564
00:39:42,330 --> 00:39:44,030
friend Rick Sluder.
565
00:39:44,330 --> 00:39:47,809
I was sitting at a bench and he leaned
down and kind of gave me a little
566
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:50,730
hug and said, how are you? And I said,
not too well.
567
00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:55,250
I mean, I thought how ludicrous to be
asking me this.
568
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:01,059
At trial, the jury learns that
Treadwell's greed even extends to
569
00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:05,879
partners. Though he's taken more than $3
million for himself, he's only given
570
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,340
right -hand man Rick Sluder $200 ,000.
571
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,800
And sales agent Larry Saturday received
even less, taking only $180 ,000.
572
00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:21,720
Treadwell, Sluder, and Saturday claim
they never meant to steal any money.
573
00:40:21,721 --> 00:40:25,809
Instead, they try to pin the blame on
the one defendant who's already pleaded
574
00:40:25,810 --> 00:40:29,510
guilty, former attorney Arnie Acosta.
575
00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:31,790
You've got to blame someone.
576
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:35,030
So why not blame the crooked lawyer from
Texas?
577
00:40:35,031 --> 00:40:37,049
Why not blame the guy who's pled guilty?
578
00:40:37,050 --> 00:40:39,940
And that's what they tried to do. The
jury wasn't buying it.
579
00:40:40,110 --> 00:40:45,569
Four weeks later, the federal jury finds
Randy Treadwell, Rick Sluder, and Larry
580
00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:46,830
Saturday guilty.
581
00:40:47,250 --> 00:40:50,110
And the judge's response is harsh.
582
00:40:50,780 --> 00:40:55,520
He sentenced Randy Treadwell to 300
months, or 25 years.
583
00:40:55,780 --> 00:41:01,560
He also came down very hard on Ricky
Sluder, sentencing him to 168 months.
584
00:41:01,561 --> 00:41:05,639
Larry Saturday, the judge recognized,
came in a little bit later and sentenced
585
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,700
him to 60 months.
586
00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:12,919
Randy Treadwell, the former salesman and
preacher's son with no prior criminal
587
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:18,840
record, has traded his freedom and
family for a 25 -year prison sentence.
588
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:23,120
Apparently it was all greed.
589
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:26,000
Greed, lies, and everything.
590
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:29,800
He's destroyed hundreds of lives in the
process.
591
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:35,160
Many have lost their life savings to a
con artist they thought was a friend.
592
00:41:35,161 --> 00:41:39,419
People think, oh great, he's found
guilty, I'm going to get my money back.
593
00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:40,359
Well, no.
594
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,410
The money's gone.
595
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:45,479
Your investment went for that Super
Bowl, that boat, that car, that dance
596
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,479
studio.
597
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,530
It's gone.
598
00:41:47,531 --> 00:41:51,999
There is no money back. So often victims
in these cases get back pennies on the
599
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,160
dollar, if anything.
600
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:58,859
Martha Rhodes has learned to accept she
may never see the rest of her money
601
00:41:58,860 --> 00:41:59,910
again.
602
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,340
A little over $1 ,500. $1 ,500, brother.
603
00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:07,779
So it's a drop in the bucket, but it was
better than nothing. And they just
604
00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:09,280
called it first distribution.
605
00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:13,440
Haven't heard another word from them
since 2010, so I don't know.
606
00:42:14,430 --> 00:42:18,230
when that might be forthcoming to get
anything else, if it will ever be.
607
00:42:19,810 --> 00:42:23,949
Treadwell and his partners used
friendship and religion to trick their
608
00:42:23,950 --> 00:42:25,330
into handing over millions.
609
00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:29,989
But when friends like Randy Treadwell
come asking for money, former prosecutor
610
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:32,450
John Owens has some timeless advice.
611
00:42:33,090 --> 00:42:36,670
Go with that gut instinct. If it doesn't
sound good, stay away from it.
612
00:42:37,050 --> 00:42:39,110
There is no gold at the end of the
rainbow.
613
00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:43,190
There is no money growing on trees. It
simply doesn't exist.
614
00:42:43,191 --> 00:42:45,229
What is at the end of the rainbow?
615
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:47,810
And what does grow on trees are
fraudsters.
616
00:42:47,860 --> 00:42:52,410
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