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In this episode of American Greed,
Stephan Wilson says his investment fund
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surefire winner.
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You either work for your money or your
money works for you.
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Investors even mortgage their homes to
join his fund.
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He would encourage them to, as he said,
unlock the dead equity in their homes.
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But investing with Wilson comes at a
very high price.
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It absolutely killed my grandmother.
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She was crying about this when her heart
burst and she died.
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But first, Larry Salander is one of the
biggest names in New York's art world.
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He was a big deal. People would look at
him and say, that's a really successful
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dealer. But collectors see red when he
swipes more than $100 million from their
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pockets. It's the biggest art world scam
that I've ever encountered.
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Families lose a fortune in priceless
art.
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I think that only a despicable person
with evil in their heart could do
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something like that.
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At 110, 120, 130 ,000. The world of fine
art is a multi -billion dollar industry
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where a single painting can fetch more
than a hundred million dollars.
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New York is the capital of the art
world.
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And here, in a luxurious townhouse on
East 71st Street, Larry Salander runs
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of the most prestigious galleries in
town.
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His gallery was huge.
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It was palatial.
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Very large rooms, lots of marble.
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Very impressive. Very expensive.
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You'd see him in the auction rooms
bidding.
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He seemed to have money. He was a first
-class art dealer.
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Salander's clients range from hedge fund
billionaires to entertainment industry
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A -listers, including Robert De Niro,
Bruce Springsteen, and John McEnroe.
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But in October 2007, amidst a flurry of
lawsuits, the gallery doors are locked.
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Several investors and clients claim
Salander is selling their paintings
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their knowledge and pocketing tens of
millions of dollars.
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To put it very simply, I think he was a
liar, a cheat, and a crook.
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The son of an antiques dealer, Larry
Salander grows up in a middle -class
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community on Long Island.
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Yeah, Larry came from humble beginnings
where he took care of his mom and
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sisters. His father died pretty young.
He didn't finish college.
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This was the show of Larry's work.
Salander is an artist in his own right.
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As Ron Gersten, a family friend and
former employee, explains.
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He was a painter, and that's what he
cared about.
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This self -portrait was one he gave me
that I've had for probably 20 years.
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After working in his family's antique
business and other small galleries, he
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-found the Salander O 'Reilly Gallery on
the Upper East Side in 1976.
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The business plan is simple.
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Discover the next Picasso while he's
still unknown.
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Promote his work.
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and make them both rich.
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He didn't sleep at night. He ate, drank,
and breathed art.
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When he wasn't in the gallery selling
art, he was in his office reading about
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art and writing about art.
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He talked at the speed of a machine gun,
and it was very entertaining to be
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around him in that sense.
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A lot of collectors are men and
successful men. A lot of them are...
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You know, like stories, guy stories, and
I think Salander was very good at that.
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He specializes in the American
modernists, painters like Stuart Davis
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Ralston Crawford.
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Robert De Niro Sr., the father of the
famous actor, is another favorite.
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His passion for their work is obvious.
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He would argue and explode and get loud
and make his points strong about the art
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he believed in.
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Salander's instinct is usually right.
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By 1989, the successful gallery expands
to a mansion on East 79th Street.
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But even though he's a big -time art
dealer, Salander plays the role of a
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regular guy from Long Island.
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He was very gruff -speaking and contrary
to almost any profile you might
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think of in terms of what an art dealer
would look like, sound like.
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dress like, and act like.
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When he was in the nice digs, the Wall
Street people were able to look past his
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eccentricity and trust this guy's
success. Well, I'll listen to him.
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The other people didn't mind the
eccentricities. He was an artist like
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were.
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Over the years, he developed close bonds
with numerous art collectors, including
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Dr. Alexander Perlman, a New York
physician.
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I remember one time we walked in, he
said, Hey, Doc, how are you? I would
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him Doc. Hi, Doc.
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And it was very familial. Larry would
treat him like a dad, and my father
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treated him like a son.
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Dr. Ellen Shander is Pearlman's
daughter.
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As a child, her father instills a deep
love of art in her and her sisters.
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When we were little, the artwork in our
house were our best friends.
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My dad would talk about them. He would
introduce us to the colors and to the
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artists. Dr. Pearlman boasts an
impressive collection, including pieces
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Monet.
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Cezanne, Picasso.
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His house in Queens is like a museum.
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He was very concerned that he had a
substantial collection in our house, and
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was a middle -class neighborhood, and he
was worried. So when anybody came in
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and they asked about the paintings, we
would always say, my dad paints.
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So the word in the neighborhood was,
your dad's a good painter.
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As Dr. Perlman approaches his 90th
birthday...
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Dr. Shander and her siblings talk to him
about his collection, which is worth
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about $2 million.
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And I think I pressed my dad with, you
know, you have a sizable collection.
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would you like to do with it? And it was
at that point that he said he wanted
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Larry to take physical possession of it
so that we could have it safe.
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Dr. Perlman writes Larry Salander into
his will.
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which states that upon Dr. Perlman's
death, Salander will hold the art
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collection until the family can decide
what to sell.
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This was a man he could trust.
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He said nothing bad could happen, that
the art was going to be in safekeeping,
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and that we shouldn't worry at all.
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In 2004, Dr.
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Perlman dies from pancreatic cancer at
the age of 91.
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Larry Salander is by the family's side
at the funeral.
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He cried. He said, you know, your dad
was like a father to me, and I'm really
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sad, and I'll do everything I can to
help out Doc's kids.
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Larry meets the family at Dr. Perlman's
apartment and immediately gets to work.
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He proceeded to catalog every painting.
He created them that day. He gave us a
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certificate.
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of insurance and he left with every
painting and every artwork that day next
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american greed is larry salander really
a family friend or a conniving con man i
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started to get my voice louder and
insisting that i did want to see my
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where were they and they got a security
guard a very big guy and i'm a little
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person and they basically threw me out
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Larry Salander is thriving in the New
York art world.
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After arriving on the scene in 1976, he
establishes one of the premier galleries
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on the Upper East Side.
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He's passionate about art, and he exudes
warmth with his clients.
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He was always outgoing, happy to see us,
very affable.
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Before he dies in 2004,
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Dr. Ellen Shander's father, Dr.
Alexander Perlman, entrusts his $2
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collection to Larry Salander for
safekeeping for his heirs.
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When I came to visit the artwork at his
gallery right after my dad died, he was
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very nice, very considerate, very calm,
very interactive.
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You know, I care about you.
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Around this time, Larry Salander begins
a big expansion of his business.
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So far, Salander is focused on scouting
lesser -known artists.
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Now, he wants to step into the arena of
the old masters.
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Old masters, kind of like a kitchen sink
category for things that could be over,
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say, 200 years old.
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French, German, Spanish, Italian.
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Salander's new business model requires
new space.
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He moves into an opulent neoclassical
mansion on East 71st Street.
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One of these beautiful 19th century
buildings with a big staircase,
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beautiful rooms, beautifully appointed.
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You walked in and you thought, oh my
God, this place is a palace.
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The rent, an astonishing $150 ,000 a
month.
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You've got to sell a lot of art to make
that kind of rent roll.
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Salander spares no expense in his
personal life either.
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In 2004, he buys a six -story Manhattan
townhouse for just under $5 million.
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He has another 66 -acre home in upstate
New York, complete with its own tennis
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court and baseball field for the kids.
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He took a private jet to go to his son's
baseball game one day, which was about
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a 20 -minute away affair.
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But moving toward old masters is a
highly questionable business decision.
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requires an enormous bankroll, frequent
flights to Europe, and it's extremely
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hard to find overlooked or undervalued
property.
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You can't pull rabbits out of hats. You
can't discover, you know, an unrecorded
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Caravaggio painting.
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Most people thought he had really lost a
screw in his head.
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This dubious business decision, combined
with his massive overhead, means
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Salander is burning through cash.
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And people started buzzing about how
could Larry afford it, what was really
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going on. But he had the ability to put
a show on that was impressive and
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convincing. Larry was very convincing.
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Salander makes much of his money selling
other collectors' art on consignment.
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There would be an agreement for how
long.
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You have one month, two months, six
months.
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This is the price.
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And, you know, at the end of this
period, if this is not sold, you simply
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the work back to me.
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The piece over the fireplace is Milton
Avery. Art collector Maurice Katz has
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known Salander for 25 years.
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The art world is based upon faith and
your faith in what the dealer tells you
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the truth.
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And sometimes, as it turns out in this
case, what the dealer says wasn't the
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truth.
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In May of 2006, Katz sends a painting by
Alfred Maurer to the Salander O 'Reilly
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Gallery. He wants $125 ,000 for the
painting.
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Anything over that amount goes to
Salander.
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But Katz hears nothing about the
painting for nearly a year.
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Turns out the painting had already been
sold.
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I found it out from another dealer in
New York. I said, I know where your
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painting is. It's sitting in the living
room of X in New York, who acquired it
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from Salander.
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Katz is shocked.
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Salander hasn't said anything about a
sale. He certainly hasn't seen a check.
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I immediately called him. I emailed him.
I sent him a certified letter saying, I
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understand you've sold the painting, and
I want to check for $125 ,000 by, I
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gave him like five days.
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But Salander is elusive. A week later,
he finally responds.
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Oh, I did sell the painting, and yes,
I've sold it on an installment basis,
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the first payment is due within 30 days.
It was like $12 ,000. I said, that's
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totally unacceptable.
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After Katz threatens to sue the gallery
and report him to the authorities,
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Salander agrees to pay him the $125 ,000
in two installments of $62 ,500.
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The check finally arrived maybe a week
later, so I took it over to the bank
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immediately, and of course it was NSF,
non -sufficient funds.
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Fed up and frustrated, he contacts the
Maine Antique Digest, an art industry
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publication, to share his story.
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A reporter tells him he isn't the only
one having problems with Salander, as
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dozens of other collectors are suing the
dealer for missing artwork and money.
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Stories appear in several publications
as the lawsuits multiply.
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He was cheating a lot of other people. I
mean, I had no idea of the extent of
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the fraud that he was engaged in.
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Salander is furious, thinking the bad
press could wreck his business.
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He fires off a threatening email to
Katz.
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And I was taking food out of his mouth
and his poor little children's mouths,
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and he was going to sue me for libel and
slander for millions of dollars because
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I had called him a crook.
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Dr. Ellen Shander hears the stories as
well and worries about her father's
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collection.
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So I called him on the phone. I said,
Larry, what's going on here? This is
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disturbing. He said, oh, no, it's just a
misunderstanding.
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And I said, you know, I want to come in
and I want to see my artwork.
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He said, no problem.
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She heads down to the gallery but is
given a rude welcome at the front desk.
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They said he was upstairs and he
wouldn't come down.
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He was on a very important phone call,
and I knew that there was really big
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trouble here.
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But my idea in my head was that my
paintings were somewhere in the gallery,
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that I would find them. I never, ever
thought that they were gone.
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Up next on American Greed, his empire is
crumbling, but the Salanders aren't
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going down without a fight.
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His son tried to punch out one of the
cameramen. It was pretty strange.
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In the summer of 2007, Larry Salander
appears to be a successful Manhattan art
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dealer.
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Salander travels around the world by
private jet, owns multimillion -dollar
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homes, and runs a spectacular gallery
chock -full of priceless art.
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I don't think anyone ever questioned,
like, you don't say, gee, I wonder if
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guy pays his bills on time.
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You don't think about that when you're
standing in a $40 million mansion on the
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Upper East Side.
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But by fall, longtime clients are
starting to see through the masterful
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Salander has created. When lawsuits
claiming he owes money hit the press.
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I started hearing everybody talking in
New York about, yeah, yeah, we know
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Larry Salander.
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Salander is running two schemes.
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In some cases, he's selling paintings
and conveniently forgetting to send the
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proceeds to the consignors, artists, and
their estates.
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Victims include Robert De Niro, who
believes 12 of his father's paintings
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been stolen.
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He was simply stealing paintings from
estates or people that weren't keeping
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track of what was really in the gallery.
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Salander's also selling shares of
paintings, but the numbers don't add up.
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one notorious case, he sells shares
equivalent to 350 % of the painting's
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This scam is exactly what happens to
former tennis pro John McEnroe, a
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owner himself, and longtime friend of
Salinger.
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There's something kind of evil about it
in terms of, you know, you have someone
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in your confidence and then you fleece
them.
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And it's not just one. You know, it's
not like Robin Hood or something.
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He was really ripping everybody off.
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By October of 2007,
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Salander is facing nearly 50 suits,
claiming he owes $100 million.
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Lawsuits were just literally like coming
into the courts, being filed every day.
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Amid all this turmoil, Salander plans
his largest exhibit yet, featuring
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Caravaggio's Apollo the Lute Player that
he claims is worth $100 million.
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He was finally putting together the show
that would culminate his entire great
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career. It would be the greatest show
ever done by a commercial gallery, and
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that he would be able to retire and pay
everybody he ever owed a dime to back.
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Art journalist Jud Tully interviews
Salander before the big exhibit.
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It was one of the most bizarre
interviews I've ever done.
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The dealer appears to be under
tremendous pressure as the art world
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his financial troubles.
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One of the employees had brought a fancy
silver tray with this bottle of scotch
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and glasses and put it down on the table
in front of us. And I'm going, no, this
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is not cocktail hour.
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And Larry is like taking a big slug.
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It's a conspiracy.
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I'm being attacked.
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This is chump change compared to the
millions of dollars I've made for every
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of these ungrateful people.
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After this strange interview, Salander
prepares for his big comeback exhibit,
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but it's not meant to be.
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On the day of the opening, a judge
orders the gallery closed and the doors
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padlocked to prevent any more paintings
from being sold.
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Larry Salander is locked out of his own
gallery.
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The event sends shockwaves through the
art world, and his story is making
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headlines.
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His son tried to punch out one of the
cameramen that were showing the marshals
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coming and closing the doors, and his
son just completely flipped out.
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A few weeks later, Salander declares
bankruptcy.
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Salander's friend and former employee,
Ron Gersten, blames the clients for not
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giving Salander enough time to pay them
back.
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He had over 25 -year relationships with
many of these people that made the
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claims against him, which made me
wonder,
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Who's greedy here?
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The day he was in a tight bind and
needed them to give him a little leeway,
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of a sudden they ran and jumped on this
bandwagon against him.
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Clients are anxious to see what's left
in the gallery.
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They fear the worst.
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Forensic people started going into the
gallery, looking at all his records, and
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each person who had given him artwork on
commission was allowed to come in and
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look through the records.
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Dr. Ellen Shander discovers that at
least 30 of her father's paintings have
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sold off, including the major
Impressionist works.
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The entire collection is estimated at
over $2 million.
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We had no idea that he had sold them
years before.
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We had no idea the paintings weren't
even there.
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In Dr. Shander's case, some of her
father's stolen paintings have simply
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vanished.
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Apparently, Salander sold many paintings
with just a handshake.
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No one knows who owns them now.
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You can't even find where they went.
They just literally disappeared from the
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gallery. Other stolen paintings have a
paper trail.
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But even if they can be located, it can
be difficult to get the new owner to
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relinquish the painting.
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If it was stolen, then you found out
that some CEO in, you know, Walnut
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California owns your painting. I mean,
good luck getting it back because he's
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just going to call his lawyer.
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The Manhattan District Attorney indicts
Salander on 100 counts, including grand
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larceny and fraud, and he's arrested in
March 2009.
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Prosecutors say Salander swindles 30
victims out of $120 million, primarily
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finance his pursuit of the old masters
and to maintain his extravagant
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lifestyle.
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It's the biggest art world scam that
I've ever encountered.
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Though Salander is known as a rough -and
-tumble businessman, he apparently
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doesn't have the stomach for a prolonged
court battle.
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In March 2010, Larry Salander pleads
guilty to 29 counts of grand larceny and
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one count of scheming to defraud.
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Larry wanted to fight all the charges
against him. He didn't have any money
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lawyers. He didn't want to drag his
family through an ongoing process.
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Later that summer, victims have a chance
to address Salander at his sentencing
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hearing. When I gave my speech at the
sentencing, I looked at him and I said,
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what kind of a human being are you?
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How could you do this?
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And he never batted an eyelash.
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Larry Salander is sentenced to six to 18
years in state prison.
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As for the artwork left in the gallery,
much of it remains tied up in bankruptcy
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proceedings.
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Many victims believe they'll never see
it again.
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There was a credit committee that was
created to pay off Salander's debts,
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are substantial.
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And they've confiscated our art.
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And they've said that should be used to
pay off his debts.
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I understand there's a possibility I
could buy it from Salander's gallery,
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is really disgusting.
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For many, the betrayal by a supposed
friend hurts more than the loss of
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John McEnroe is the godfather of one of
Salander's children.
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He's never spoken about the case.
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Dr. Ellen Shander's father was a friend
of Salander for 25 years.
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I feel so badly for my dad.
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I really do.
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That I can cry about. My dad's
relationship with him, his trust, his
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him.
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I guess I'm angry in the sense that I
felt I've been personally violated
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he took advantage of, you know, trust
that we had put in him.
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I think that only a despicable person
with evil in their heart could do
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something like that.
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He's a con man of the umpteenth degree.
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Up next on American Greed, Stephan
Wilson is a youth pastor that makes a
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career change.
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complete with a new name and a
Lamborghini.
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Stephen Wilson, to me, had kind of a
dual personality in the early part of
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career. He seemed to be doing good
works, and then it seems he turned to
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dark side.
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Folsom, California, a small northern
California town best known for its
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made famous in the song Folsom Prison
Blues by Johnny Cash.
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Folsom is the hometown of another man in
black, Stephan Wilson, a self -made
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investment guru.
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And so that's what a hedge fund vehicle
allows you to do. It makes your money
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work for you. Wilson is a late arriver
to the world of high finance.
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taking up a career in investing in his
40s. But Wilson seems to have a knack
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his new trade.
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He lived in a lavish home, drove luxury
vehicles, seemed to be very successful.
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But looks are deceiving.
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The huge investment returns Wilson
promises are nothing more than smoke and
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mirrors. He never really made any money.
It was more or less, was he down a lot
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or was he down really a lot?
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The story of Stephan Wilson begins in
the mid -1980s, back when he is known by
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his given name of Stephen Wilson.
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He originally finds his calling in the
Christian Evangelical Church.
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He had been a youth minister at one
point. He had traveled to several
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and claimed to be doing some type of
charity work.
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In 1986, he found Shake the Nations, an
international youth mission group.
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Shake the Nations was a nonprofit
ministry that he was president of. They
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do summer revivals.
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But Wilson is more interested in
stealing identities than in saving
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He had a small staff of people working
for him, and he had gotten their Social
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Security numbers and their other
biographical data.
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And he took employees' information and
actually opened credit cards in their
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name where he was making payments and
doing things for personal use.
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In December 2002, Shake the Nations is
shut down, and Wilson pleads no contest
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to forgery and theft of access card
information.
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Following a 90 -day jail sentence,
Wilson is back on the streets, but deep
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credit card debt.
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There was probably about $600 ,000 of
debt associated to Shake the Nations.
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After struggling financially for a few
years, he declares bankruptcy in 2005.
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Wilson decides to make a fresh start. He
even legally changes his name from
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Stephen K. Wilson to Stefan A. Wilson,
allegedly to get back to his German
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heritage. That's odd to me because he
changed his name from Stephen Karl Heinz
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Wilson, which sounds pretty German to
me, to Stefan Andre.
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Wilson, which sounds a little more
French to me.
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The U .S. Attorney's Office says Wilson
has an ulterior motive.
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I think the real reason he changed his
name was so that people would have
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difficulty pulling up his criminal
record and his prior bankruptcy, because
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that's not good for business.
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With a new name and a clean slate,
Wilson is free to pursue another money
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-making venture.
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In 2005 and then into 2006, he started
recruiting investors and pulling other
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people's money to invest.
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Wilson forms an investment fund, which
he names the Christians in Crisis, or
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Investment Fund.
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He produced some glossy brochures that
talked about his so -called hedge fund,
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made it appear that he had a long
history of investing.
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There are many problems with the fund,
starting with the name.
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Christians in Christ is actually a
legitimate nonprofit organization.
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He essentially, in our opinion, hijacked
the name to use for his investment
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fund. Potential investors in the CIC
fund are unaware of Wilson's past.
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We were calling him Steve. He said his
real name was Stephan, but he goes by
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Steve as a nickname.
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Real estate broker Tim Manke first hears
about Wilson through a family friend.
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During a visit to his office, Wilson
pledges him annual returns of 17 to 22
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percent.
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As a seasoned investor, Menke finds the
promise suspicious, but still somehow
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attractive. He asks Wilson for proof of
his success.
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Being a little cynical, I said, OK,
well, you know, how much money do you
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in this funds? And I want to see it.
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So he logged into one of his stock
accounts and in that account, I think it
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five point three million at the time.
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Mankey takes the plunge and invests $100
,000 with Wilson.
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People have the choice of getting your
monthly payment every month or letting
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sit away and compound and grow.
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Mankey chooses to let it grow, or so he
thinks.
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Darlene Rickaby doesn't have that
luxury.
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Retired and living alone, she needs some
extra income.
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Well, I had had a stroke and I was
worried about my money not being enough,
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lasting me the rest of my life.
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Wilson eases her concern, telling her he
can provide her with a monthly revenue
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stream.
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The pitch sounds appealing.
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And then Wilson seals the deal by
stressing his religious background.
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He told me that he had been a preacher
at one time, Christian in Christ. It all
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just fell into what I believed in and it
made me feel good, made me feel like I
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could trust this man.
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After Wilson promises her returns of 24
% a year, she withdraws $100 ,000
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from her savings and invests in the
fund.
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Later I got some paperwork and it said
18%. And so I called and asked about
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and he said, oh, if I told you 24, we'll
stay with that.
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It seems like Wilson just snaps his
fingers and changes the rate of return.
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Though it's a red flag, it's outweighed
by the monthly checks she requests that
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always arrive on time.
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Every month I would take out between $2
,000 and $4 ,000 and he would send me a
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check for it.
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In the Sacramento area, word is
spreading.
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Stephen Wilson can make you rich, but it
comes at a cost.
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Next on American Greed.
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It absolutely killed my grandmother.
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There's no doubt in my mind. She was
crying about this when her heart burst
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she died.
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Folsom, California.
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Stephan Wilson is a former youth
minister who decides investing is a more
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lucrative career choice.
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Wilson's investors in the Christians in
Crisis, or CIC Fund, are supposedly
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earning huge returns.
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But he also appeals to their sense of
altruism.
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He indicated to some of the victim
investors that a portion of their funds
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go to charities.
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Appearances play a role as well.
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Wilson now lives in a new million
-dollar home and counts a Lamborghini
450
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,140
Hummer among his many possessions.
451
00:31:40,141 --> 00:31:44,059
People would see that he's doing really
well. He has these nice things, so he
452
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:47,539
must be making way more than 24 %
because I'm getting my cut and I see how
453
00:31:47,540 --> 00:31:52,860
living. Until now, the CIC fund has used
word of mouth to get new investors.
454
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,900
Now, Wilson's ready to take it to the
next level.
455
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,780
He and his associates would rent a
meeting room, send out invitations via
456
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,320
and would do presentations at these
seminars.
457
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,060
He also takes to the airwaves.
458
00:32:10,061 --> 00:32:13,879
That's the first thing. Secondly, you
either work for your money or your money
459
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:14,779
works for you.
460
00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:18,619
And he gave this pitch, same pitch that
he probably gave at the presentation.
461
00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:22,359
Any investment is a risk, and you have
to consider what your risk tolerance is,
462
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,699
and then you have to look at what you're
investing in. And if you feel confident
463
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:27,380
in the people managing your money.
464
00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:28,880
then you do pretty well.
465
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,739
Sharon Manke's son, Tim Manke, is a
Wilson investor who has seen returns of
466
00:32:35,740 --> 00:32:38,580
than 18 % a year, at least on paper.
467
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:44,240
February 2007, she attends a Wilson
investment seminar.
468
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:51,419
He came across as being low -key, and so
my first impression was, well, he's
469
00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:56,160
like the numbers guy because he's kind
of that quiet accountant -type person.
470
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,700
The fund's entry fee is steep, $100 ,000
minimum.
471
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,019
In the boom real estate years, Wilson
has an idea to help cash -strapped
472
00:33:06,020 --> 00:33:09,400
investors get their hands on that $100
,000.
473
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:16,479
He had a mortgage broker come and
specifically discuss how the investors
474
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,400
take home equity loans on their
properties.
475
00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:24,340
He would encourage them to, as he said,
unlock the dead equity.
476
00:33:24,910 --> 00:33:25,960
in their homes.
477
00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:31,830
Recently retired, Sharon has only $86
,000 in her savings account.
478
00:33:32,590 --> 00:33:36,670
But there's a place where she can unlock
some dead equity.
479
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:41,210
Her elderly parents live on a 20 -acre
ranch worth nearly $3 million.
480
00:33:42,190 --> 00:33:45,130
She tells her parents about the CIC
fund.
481
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:51,129
My dad had retired 25 years earlier, and
so what he retired on really wasn't
482
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:55,159
sufficient. And then they were also
hoping that I could retire and not work
483
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,300
anymore, stay retired.
484
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,879
Sharon and her parents meet Wilson at
his home to discuss investing in the CIC
485
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,640
fund. Wilson tells them his fund is
immune to market fluctuations.
486
00:34:07,540 --> 00:34:09,100
He said, it's a hedge fund.
487
00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:11,679
And my question was, what's a hedge
fund?
488
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,839
Well, there's a bill to hedge around it,
so it doesn't matter whether a stock
489
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,440
goes up or a stock goes down, that you
still make money.
490
00:34:20,489 --> 00:34:25,809
Sharon's father, an 85 -year -old
retiree, is skeptical of all this talk
491
00:34:25,810 --> 00:34:26,860
hedge funds.
492
00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:31,468
I remember my father saying to him,
well, you know, I don't have $100 ,000
493
00:34:31,469 --> 00:34:35,549
the bank. And he did tell my father,
well, but you could go get a mortgage on
494
00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:37,720
your property, which I believe is paid
for.
495
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:43,269
Wilson convinces Sharon's parents to
take out a $500 ,000 loan against the
496
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:44,249
ranch.
497
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:48,908
The property has been in the family for
58 years and has been paid off for
498
00:34:48,909 --> 00:34:49,959
decades.
499
00:34:50,350 --> 00:34:53,530
It was worth at that time about $2 .6,
$2 .8 million.
500
00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:58,290
Wilson promises them a 22 % annual
return.
501
00:34:58,730 --> 00:35:02,550
Sharon and her parents receive nearly $9
,000 a month.
502
00:35:02,551 --> 00:35:07,089
They were able to pay the mortgage that
they took out on the property and, you
503
00:35:07,090 --> 00:35:10,709
know, have a nice amount left over to
help supplement their income and made a
504
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:11,760
difference for them.
505
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:19,010
Darlene Rickaby, who first invested $100
,000, is pleased with Wilson's returns.
506
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:25,610
She increases her investment to $250
,000 and recommends the fund to her
507
00:35:25,611 --> 00:35:29,609
Once I started getting paid every month,
my daughter decided to go ahead and
508
00:35:29,610 --> 00:35:32,090
invest some money in, and she put a fair
amount in.
509
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:38,389
Next on American Greed, Wilson's wife, a
former stripper, now in the lap of
510
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:42,670
luxury, asks, where's the money coming
from, and drops a dime.
511
00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:46,910
For a long time, she probably believed
that he was doing this magic.
512
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:49,590
But I think she started to have her
doubts.
513
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:10,390
In 20 years, Stephan Wilson has gone
from youth minister to hedge fund owner.
514
00:36:11,310 --> 00:36:13,890
Touting his supposedly religious
background.
515
00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:17,060
Wilson persuades 80 people to invest
with him.
516
00:36:17,580 --> 00:36:21,479
Many borrow hundreds of thousands of
dollars against their homes for the
517
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:22,530
privilege.
518
00:36:22,531 --> 00:36:26,179
The people who were in the fund who were
getting paid out every month, they got
519
00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:29,719
their checks like clockwork, boom, every
month they got their money. The fund is
520
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:31,160
great for Wilson, too.
521
00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:36,580
He purchased a Lamborghini. He bought a
$90 ,000 yacht.
522
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:38,300
He purchased a diamond ring.
523
00:36:39,860 --> 00:36:42,100
He traveled. He traveled quite a bit.
524
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:48,430
But just when it seems nothing will
break his amazing run of profits, in
525
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:51,890
an unlikely figure brings it all
crashing down.
526
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:58,249
Remarkably, it isn't a wary investor who
blows the whistle on what looks like a
527
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:59,300
Ponzi scheme.
528
00:36:59,350 --> 00:37:03,550
His wife actually brought the case to
our attention.
529
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:05,520
Wilson's wife.
530
00:37:05,930 --> 00:37:10,329
who lives in the million -dollar home,
drives the fancy cars, and wears the
531
00:37:10,330 --> 00:37:14,690
diamond jewelry, isn't convinced of her
husband's money -making acumen.
532
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:20,769
I think for a long time she probably
believed that he was doing this magic,
533
00:37:20,770 --> 00:37:22,730
I think she started to have her doubts.
534
00:37:23,130 --> 00:37:27,450
And when her marriage turns sour, those
doubts become stronger.
535
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:33,690
In July 2007, Wilson's wife brings CIC
documents to the FBI.
536
00:37:34,890 --> 00:37:39,110
And it became obvious pretty quickly
that this was probably a Ponzi scheme.
537
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:42,770
The documents tell a tale of brazen
fraud.
538
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:48,249
He kept purporting through the monthly
statements that everything was okay,
539
00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:54,369
in fact it was glaringly not okay. He
continued the scheme by telling people,
540
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:57,530
lying to them, of his success rate.
541
00:37:57,810 --> 00:38:02,390
Wilson's records also reveal staggering
investment in confidence.
542
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,840
He brought in about $14 million.
543
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:12,180
He invested about $6 million of that and
had breathtaking losses.
544
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:18,119
In a relatively short period of time, he
managed to lose about 98 % of that
545
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,170
money.
546
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:25,219
While $6 million is dissipated in the
stock market, another $6 million is
547
00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:27,040
on his luxurious lifestyle.
548
00:38:27,041 --> 00:38:31,679
Yeah, I guess, you know, I paid for the
guy to have a Lamborghini, which, you
549
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,120
know. But I never had one, but evidently
he got one with my money, so.
550
00:38:36,220 --> 00:38:39,400
Wilson's fraud is exposed, and so is he.
551
00:38:39,820 --> 00:38:44,679
Far from being the squeaky clean church
-going hedge fund manager, he's actually
552
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,200
a proven criminal with an ex -stripper
for a wife.
553
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:52,940
No, and I wouldn't have invested with
him if I'd known about his wife either.
554
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:55,890
But I didn't find out about her until it
was too late.
555
00:38:56,420 --> 00:38:59,580
But Wilson's wife is now the law's best
friend.
556
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:04,940
As she tells the feds, he's been
stockpiling cash and crafting an exit
557
00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:11,119
He was exploring different ways to leave
the country, various countries to go
558
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,170
to.
559
00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:15,979
Places he could go that didn't have
extradition, that's where we could go
560
00:39:15,980 --> 00:39:19,320
him and get him. Places where he could
go and, you know, find work.
561
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,260
Places where he could hide money.
562
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,100
Armed with this information, the feds
haul him in.
563
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,840
In February 2008...
564
00:39:28,090 --> 00:39:31,830
Stephan Wilson is arrested for running a
fraudulent investment program.
565
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:37,050
The FBI says he steals $13 million from
80 victims.
566
00:39:37,950 --> 00:39:43,170
In one fell swoop, his investors go from
easy street to the poorhouse.
567
00:39:44,170 --> 00:39:46,940
Totally, totally shocked. I just thought
this can't be.
568
00:39:47,150 --> 00:39:51,149
My heart stopped. I just was in shock. I
literally fell down on the ground where
569
00:39:51,150 --> 00:39:52,200
I was.
570
00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:53,690
was just totally shocked.
571
00:39:53,950 --> 00:39:59,269
Aside from the monthly dividend checks
some have already received, investor
572
00:39:59,270 --> 00:40:01,190
money is almost all gone.
573
00:40:01,191 --> 00:40:05,669
I kept thinking, surely they'll get into
it and they'll find out that there's
574
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:07,010
some mistake somewhere.
575
00:40:07,690 --> 00:40:10,790
That it'll all be cleared and we'll all
get our money back.
576
00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:15,390
For the Manke family, three generations
are devastated.
577
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:21,010
We had to immediately make a lot of
changes in our life. We had to move.
578
00:40:21,580 --> 00:40:23,200
We had to sell off some of our cars.
579
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,840
Tim's mom, Sharon, can no longer pay her
bills.
580
00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:32,159
My mom had nowhere to live, had no money
and no job. So she ended up moving in
581
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,400
to a room in our house for us, you know.
582
00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:37,500
Tim's grandparents are hit the hardest.
583
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:42,779
They lose the $2 .6 million ranch that
had been in the family for more than 58
584
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:43,830
years.
585
00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:49,360
My mother just gasped, and my dad was...
586
00:40:49,690 --> 00:40:54,370
Uccelli was very upset about it. They
were just devastated.
587
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:59,070
They pulled all that equity out, sank it
into CIC, and lost it all.
588
00:40:59,630 --> 00:41:06,469
And as a result, you have three
generations who lost their homes,
589
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:07,520
family farm.
590
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:12,429
Remarkably, both Elliot and Laverne
Clausen, who had been healthy their
591
00:41:12,430 --> 00:41:16,530
lives, die suddenly within months of
learning about the fraud.
592
00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:21,640
In August 2008, Laverne Clausen dies of
an aneurysm.
593
00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:24,480
It absolutely killed my grandmother.
594
00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:29,179
There's no doubt in my mind. She was
crying about this when her heart burst
595
00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:30,230
she died.
596
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,140
Eight months later, her husband, Elliot,
dies of a heart attack.
597
00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:38,240
The family believes that this was stress
-related too.
598
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,659
They had been married 64 years, and for
them to lose their home that they had
599
00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:47,060
lived in for over 60 years was very
devastating to them.
600
00:41:48,430 --> 00:41:55,189
On March 17, 2009, Stephan Wilson pleads
guilty to wire fraud and filing
601
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:56,750
false income tax returns.
602
00:41:57,470 --> 00:42:03,609
A judge orders him to pay $12 million in
restitution and sentences him to 19
603
00:42:03,610 --> 00:42:05,250
years in federal prison.
604
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:10,489
I'm glad to see he didn't walk, but I
think it should have been a longer term.
605
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:13,849
mean, he destroyed a lot of lives. I
think he should have been in jail for
606
00:42:13,850 --> 00:42:14,900
rest of his.
607
00:42:16,549 --> 00:42:19,690
Wilson's victims now must rebuild their
lives.
608
00:42:20,010 --> 00:42:23,750
Not an easy task in what's supposed to
be the golden years.
609
00:42:24,350 --> 00:42:25,550
You know, it's survival.
610
00:42:25,790 --> 00:42:28,990
What do I do that at 63 now I have no
retirement?
611
00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:33,949
I thought I would be retired and I could
stay home and relax and play with my
612
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:37,569
granddaughters. I had their money in
that. It was part of that money, too,
613
00:42:37,570 --> 00:42:39,250
college money. I've lost that, too.
614
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:44,109
And I thought it would just be a nice
retirement, and it's not. Now I have to
615
00:42:44,110 --> 00:42:45,670
worry about trying to find work.
616
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:51,219
Instead of having the fancy lifestyle we
always saved and put away and came back
617
00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:53,579
to that all that saving and put away was
worthless.
618
00:42:53,580 --> 00:42:55,140
It's all gone just like that.
619
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:59,740
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