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In this episode of American Greed, this
man says he can make you rich. His
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pitch, irresistible.
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If they want their cash to go to work at
a higher interest rate, call me.
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If you want to make some money signing
some papers, loan your credit, call me.
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If you have some unused collateral
sitting around and you're not making any
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money with it, call me. He claims to be
a real estate investor extraordinaire
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until the money stops.
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Well, you've got to start putting that
money to work.
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That's what we needed to do.
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We did.
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And no one is safe from this golden
boy's allure.
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He had the charm, the charisma, the
personality, the good looks.
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I've seen some real pros in my life, but
he was the best of the best. And at
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that point, the scales fell from my
eyes.
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I realized he is a crook.
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And, oh my God, we're lost.
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This empty lot is all that remains of
Future Records' recording studio in
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Virginia Beach.
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Super producer Teddy Riley opens the
studio on the heels of producing Michael
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Jackson's multi -platinum album,
Dangerous. And he goes on to produce
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the biggest hits of the 90s.
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First person to sing in that
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studio was Bobby Brown.
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But this hit maker, whose records have
sold more than 15 million copies, loses
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it all.
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Do you remember how we all began?
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It just seems like heaven, so I did it
and do you remember?
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I lost my studio in Virginia Beach to a
big scam.
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This guy came in a suit, very classy.
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You know, very, like, suave guy.
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His name is Troy Aurelius Titus. He
portrays himself as a real estate guru
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money -making magician.
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It's true to an extent.
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Troy Titus makes money disappear.
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I launched my house, my studio, my
fiancée at the time,
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and my dogs.
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It's a great country song.
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The story of Troy Titus begins in
Virginia Beach, Virginia.
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He runs a law firm, a consulting firm,
and a title insurance company.
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Millions of dollars pass through his
hands each year.
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Success, it appears, comes easily to
him.
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He graduated from high school when he
was 16, college when he was 20, law
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when he was 23. I don't know what his IQ
was, but I couldn't
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imagine it being...
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much under 170, 180.
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I mean, he's very smart.
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Titus's real passion is speaking at
investment conferences where he preaches
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gospel of easy money and real estate.
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We're going to be talking about an
acquisition technique called buying with
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with no cash.
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At the turn of the century, the real
estate seminar business is exploding in
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popularity. The biggest names pack
arenas with as many as 20 ,000
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Troy Titus isn't yet in that
stratosphere of the seminar circuit, but
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rising star.
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He was an easy sell.
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Judy Wood begins working for Titus in
the spring of 2005, booking him at
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seminars across the country from
Virginia to Los Angeles.
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Nine times out of ten people knew who he
was before I even got them on the
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phone. Troy was just one of these
people, when he walked in the room,
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shut up.
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He's nice to look at. He dresses nicely.
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He's very articulate.
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You know, he always made people
comfortable.
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According to Troy Titus, anyone can
learn to flip houses, keep the tax man
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and return up to 30 % on their
investments in the process.
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If you have some cash, you can buy real
estate.
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And in the years between 2000 and 2007,
this actually sounds plausible.
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It's just booming. You know, everybody,
you know, there were more realtors,
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there was more flips, there was more
property. So, yeah, real estate was
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And the seminars are rife with eager
investors.
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They could range anywhere from, you
know, 25 to 30 people, or it could go
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the way up to 300 people.
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There were some people that were doing
it because they were serious about it,
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but there were some people that were
just looking at it like, let's turn it
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burn it. It's a way to make a fast buck.
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Titus sells packages of books, CDs, and
DVDs. But while he plays the role of
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teacher, what he's really doing at these
seminars is trolling for clients.
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To every seminar that he went to, he
would put out the sign -up sheet, and
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people would sign up with their name,
and obviously they would divulge their
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email address, and they would also
indicate where they could be reached by
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phone. Titus then calls the attendees
for a one -on -one consultation.
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He would ask various questions such as,
you know, let's talk about your life.
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You know, are you married? Are you
single? How many children do you have?
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own any property?
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Do you have a marital home? Do you have
any rental property?
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So basically, he would scan, if you
would, the assets of the people. He
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it mapping.
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After collecting all the information he
can, Titus tells his clients he has the
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perfect place for them to invest.
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And that place is with him.
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If they want their cash to go to work at
a higher interest rate, call me.
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If you want to make some money signing
some papers, loan your credit, call me.
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If you have some unused collateral
sitting around and you're not making any
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money with it, call me.
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Troy was so impressive.
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Ronnie Stoddard is a retired nurse, and
her husband is a realtor.
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They are looking to supplement their
savings by investing in real estate.
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They meet Titus at a 2005 seminar, and
like so many others, fall instant victim
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to his charm.
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Young, intelligent,
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vibrant, very...
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personable, and really heartfelt in
terms of wanting to help everybody.
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Can I help you make more money than
you're making now?
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Would you like to make more money than
you're making now? He spent about a half
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hour with my husband and me, and we were
in a situation where we had no income
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coming in, but we did have money to
invest.
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And so he just said, well, you've got to
start putting that money to work.
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That's what we needed to do.
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We did.
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Stoddard and her husband invest $170
,000 with Troy Titus.
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They believe the money will go toward
fixing up two distressed properties in
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Virginia Beach.
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For someone looking to make a new career
in real estate, it seems like a golden
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opportunity.
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Troy said he would be my mentor.
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He was going to teach me how the
business worked.
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And so I would learn how to do deals.
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Stoddard believes that once the property
is rehabbed, she'll sell it for a nice
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profit, and the community will be better
off.
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And that was the impression that Troy
gave, that everybody would win with his
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deals. And that was part of the term.
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Troy Titus claims to be all things to
all people. If you're scraping by on a
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fixed income, he says he'll make you
rich. If you're broke, he'll make you
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whole. People with a $750 ,000 property
or a $1 .5 million property can have
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financial problems.
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The message resonates with Teddy Riley,
who has recently fallen on hard time.
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The 90s are very good to Riley.
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In 1991, he produces Michael Jackson's
eighth album, Dangerous. And in 1997, he
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reaches the pinnacle when his work with
Blackstreet wins him a Grammy.
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Riley can now write his own ticket.
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With a Grammy on his shelf.
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The Music Business American Express
black card.
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That's what it's like.
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But by 2005, the black card is maxed
out.
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Riley owes more than $3 million in
mortgages and back taxes.
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His Virginia Beach studio, New Jack
Swing Future Records, has more liens
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it than it's worth.
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And creditors have put a claim on his $1
.5 million house.
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It was actually going up for
foreclosure.
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I wanted to be patient with them because
it takes time. They had to do their due
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diligence.
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Soon, Riley hears about a man who can
solve his real estate problems, Troy
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Titus. If you hear the word problem,
folks, you're telling everybody you
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If you hear the word problem in real
estate, call me. Think of me. Call me.
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Titus tells Riley he can clear all the
liens off Riley's home and studio.
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I thought he was an honest guy.
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You know, being an attorney, I thought,
you know.
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I didn't have anything to worry about.
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You know, I thought he was really like
this guy that could really make things
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happen.
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Unbeknownst to Riley, Titus plans to
apply a unique process he calls a
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controlled foreclosure.
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Controlled foreclosures are a very
interesting way to acquire real estate.
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The mechanics of a controlled
foreclosure can make your head spin.
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You want it to be a legal, quiet sale.
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Now, the word quiet sale can also mean
an illegal foreclosure. So I'm talking
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about a legal quiet sale.
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Everything was very vague. It was kind
of like nailing jello to a tree. You
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couldn't quite get it pinned down.
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When American Greed returns, he claims
to be cutting deals left and right. But
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Titus's investors wonder, where is their
money? This guy is doing something.
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Crazy to all of us.
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And it came to the light like big time.
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And later, greed knows no bounds as
Titus prays on the sick and the weak.
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I got home and I stayed in bed for like
two weeks.
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In 2005, self -proclaimed real estate
expert Troy Titus is traveling across
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country and raking in cash through his
seminars.
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His message of easy money in real estate
appeals to people in the financial
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bind, people like music producer Teddy
Riley.
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I can only remember he was a friend.
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I thought he was a friend. I thought he
was one that was, you know, helping me
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out. Riley owes nearly $2 million in
back taxes to the IRS.
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His house is in the early stages of
foreclosure, and his studio has more
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than it's worth. But Titus has a bailout
plan.
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He tells Riley he just needs some
investors and a little time.
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He told me I would be able to keep the
studio.
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I would be able to maintain all the
things that I have and keep it, as long
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at a certain point we start paying the
investors back that put the money in it.
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So I said, fine, as long as I don't have
to worry.
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About my children and the home.
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And he said, you don't have to worry. No
problem.
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Like many of Titus's other clients,
Riley's formed a bond with Titus and
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he's found his financial savior.
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I thought he was a real friend.
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Like, I actually thought he was cool.
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You know, like everything was great, you
know.
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When I said that, finally I think I got
my...
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somebody to help me and, you know, back
me on what I want to do now in the music
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industry.
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I thought I had it.
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Thinking he's on the road to recovery,
Riley heads to California to produce a
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project he believes will get him back in
the black.
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Meanwhile, Titus looks to raise cash
from investors by guaranteeing a 15 %
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profit in a unique acquisition process
called a controlled foreclosure. If you
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choose to use controlled foreclosure as
an acquisition technique, you will find
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yourself set apart from your competition
because you're going to be able to
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acquire real estate using a technique
that the vast majority of real estate
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investors don't know exists.
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Investors don't know it exists because
it's largely hatched from Titus' own
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inventive mind.
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The idea behind a controlled foreclosure
is to buy a distressed property for a
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fraction of what it's really worth.
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In Teddy Riley's case, Titus would first
buy one of Riley's mortgages that's in
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default. It's a very powerful position
to be in.
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You are now a mortgage company with the
unstoppable right to foreclose on the
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property.
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Next, Titus typically forecloses on the
property with the intention of buying it
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back himself.
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He creates a new company under his
control to buy the property from the
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foreclosing entity, which he also
controls.
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In theory, when Riley's property goes up
for auction, Titus will be the only
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person bidding.
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He explains the process in one of his
seminars.
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So, first thing that I did is scheduled
the sale.
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Using a paper of general circulation,
but not the big paper. It was another
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newspaper of general circulation.
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You read your rules in each state and
determine what you can and cannot do to
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make your sale public and yet as quiet
as possible under the rules.
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Hoping that I wouldn't have a lot of
people show up at the sale. Hoping I was
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the only one to show up at the sale. And
if other bidders do show up, his
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solution is simple.
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Cancel the sale and reschedule.
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Eventually, people just stopped showing
up at these sales.
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Once Titus is the only bidder, he can
take control of the property, and it has
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only cost him what he paid for the
original mortgage.
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We call this controlled foreclosure for
a reason.
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We are controlling every aspect of the
deal to make sure that you get your
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intended result.
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When Titus pitches this technique to
investors, they jump at the chance to
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invest.
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In theory, investors will end up with a
debt -free house and recording studio,
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bought for a fraction of what they're
actually worth, and therefore will be
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to sell them for a nice profit.
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But then Titus does something odd.
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He doesn't just raise enough money to
cover the purchase. In the case of the
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studio, he raises over three times what
the studio is actually worth.
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For each investor, Titus prepares a deed
of trust saying he or she holds a lien
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on the property.
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But Titus never files many of those
deeds with the court clerk.
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So the investors have no way of knowing
that the property is severely over
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-leveraged. The total amount of liens
against the studio were $2 .4 million
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approximately, and the city had it
accessed about $440 ,000.
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That bears repeating.
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Titus compiles $2 .4 million of debt on
a property worth only $440 ,000.
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Even if the property is sold, it would
never be sold for enough to pay back all
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the investors.
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Troy gets control of the property or the
appearance of a control of property,
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tries to raise money or raises money
during the process, and then to pacify
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satisfy the investors who invest in
that, hands out deeds of trust which are
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unrecorded and worthless in order to
secure the deal.
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If that doesn't seem suspicious enough,
Titus never makes any effort whatsoever
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towards buying either the home or the
studio.
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You know, he raises the money.
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The money comes in, but Troy never
follows through. So there's no resolve
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situation being any better than it was.
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And the money is all raised in Riley's
name, meaning Riley is the one
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potentially responsible for the $2 .4
million.
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It's a typical example of how Troy Titus
gets his money.
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other people's cash, and other people's
credit, and other people's
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collateral. It's an equal opportunity
fraud.
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Investor's money doesn't go where it's
supposed to. It's backed by collateral
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that doesn't have the value to back it.
And the property owner is the one left
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on the hook.
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Everyone loses, except Troy Titus.
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About a year after Titus first tells
Riley he has nothing to worry about,
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investors begin calling an unsuspecting
Riley in California to ask about their
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investments.
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They called and they were like, you
know, well, how can we, you know, settle
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this? I'm like, what do you mean? I
said, you know, I really don't know what
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you're talking about, but if you can
enlighten me.
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Around the same time, Riley gets another
phone call.
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Actually, one of my group members from
Blackstreet called me.
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And he said, yo, girlfriend of mine
called me and said, your house has been
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auctioned off. She's a realtor.
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I said, no, you're kidding me.
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So I started calling Troy, like, what's
going on? And he never called me back.
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He disappeared. And I said, oh, wow,
something's wrong. Yeah.
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Something is definitely wrong.
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When American Greed returns, Titus
thinks up an even more devious plan.
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He was scamming these elders and willers
out of all the money they had, cancer
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patients, and ensuring no remorse.
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How low will Titus sink to steal
investors' money?
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Looking at him, I just felt like I was
looking at a suit with nothing in it.
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You know, a shell of a man with no
heart, no compassion, and no soul.
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In Virginia Beach, Virginia, self
-proclaimed real estate guru Troy Titus
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running a multi -million dollar
investment fraud.
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He says he's got a cure for whatever
financially ails you. If you need more
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income flowing in, he knows how you can
get it. If you're too deep in debt, he
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knows how to wipe it all away.
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Troy was just down home and friendly and
just eager to help. He really wanted to
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help the world.
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Helping the world is the pitch, anyway.
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For years, Titus has been promising
investors like Ronnie Stoddard short
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investments with high payouts. But he
can't make good on his promises or his
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payments.
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Where is the money going?
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He uses a lot for lifestyle because he
does live very well.
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And he takes a lot of trips and dresses
well, lives well.
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and has a high opinion of himself so he
can keep that air of success going.
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To make matters worse, for a real estate
guru, he seems to have problems
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completing real estate transactions.
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Actually, we all thought that he had
ADHD.
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And a lot of very bright people do.
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And that's what I put his
disorganization down to.
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Some of the projects that he invested
in, he would put money into and then
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abandon, and so there would be no sale
or no profit generated from that. But he
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still owed the investors money in order
to keep everything rolling.
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Then he would have to continually pay
them down or pay them off with new
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that was coming in.
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In short, Titus is running a classic
Ponzi scheme.
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He constantly needs to raise money from
new investors to pay off what he owes
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previous investors.
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And apparently he believes he's slick
enough to pull it off.
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I look at every crook and I say, well,
there's another crook that thought he
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smarter than the one that just got
caught.
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Lonnie Scruggs is a Virginia Beach
resident with more than 30 years'
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in real estate when he decides to invest
$500 ,000 with Titus in 2004.
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I used to tell this to a lot of people.
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If you spent two hours with him and
didn't know him, give me a red to write
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a check. That's how convincing he was.
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He had the charm, the charisma, the
personality, the good looks.
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I've seen some real pros in my life, but
he was the best of the best.
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Scruggs thinks that Titus will use the
money to lend to people who are looking
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for short -term loans but don't want to
go through a traditional bank.
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In exchange for lending the money, Titus
promises Scruggs a 25 % return.
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The terms were that he would make a...
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monthly interest -only payments on that
$500 ,000 and wire the money right into
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my bank account.
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And for the first probably over a year,
maybe close to a year and a half, he
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did. Scruggs doesn't know it at the
time, but his investment isn't going to
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borrowers needing short -term loans.
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It's going to Titus's previous investors
that are still owed money.
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At the time, I thought he was going to
be making some investments in some of
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these deals he was running by me. Well,
I'm sure now.
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that he used it to pay some of the
wolves that was nibbling at him.
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And the money coming back to Scruggs
isn't from the interest on his
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Titus is simply getting it from the next
investors in line, no matter how
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desperate the next investors may be.
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In 2004, San Francisco resident Gina
Katigback is diagnosed with colon
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She immediately quits a demanding
corporate job to focus on her health.
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It was my second cancer, so I knew that
I needed to be able
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to have my own control of my time.
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And he was aware of this when I had met
him.
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Gina meets Troy Titus at one of his
seminars in 2005.
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Titus says he has a plan that will give
her much -needed income and allow her
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the flexibility and time to beat the
cancer.
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Gina takes out $50 ,000 from her
retirement savings and sends it to
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believing it will be used to refurbish a
property in New Jersey.
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The cancer patient will never see that
money again.
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Los Angeles residents Sharon Honing and
her mother Mary are two more investors
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that Titus lures into his web.
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In 2005, they attend one of Titus'
seminars.
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Oh, he was phenomenal.
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He's very charismatic.
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He holds himself very well. He can
engage a crowd very well.
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They sit down with Titus to discuss
their dire financial situation.
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Sharon's 78 -year -old father, Ben, is
in hospice.
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His medical care, at a cost of $54 ,000
a year, will quickly drain the family's
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finances.
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And so we were trying to figure out,
well, what can we do?
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He suggested that, okay, well, how about
if we make it so that you can earn $160
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,000 a year so that you can take care of
all of your monthly stuff and have a
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little bit left over.
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Feeling desperate to make money quickly,
Mary takes out a mortgage on her and
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her daughter Sharon's house and sends
Titus $515 ,000, essentially her entire
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net worth.
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Like Scruggs, the Honings expect titers
to lend their money to borrowers in
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exchange for high returns.
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They also expect monthly interest
payments from their investment. Before
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things get rocky.
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She did get one monthly check. I think
that she got the second check that
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cleared, and then the third one was the
one that started to not work.
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The check bounces.
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He kept telling us that the check...
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You know the old saying, the check's in
the mail kind of thing?
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The Honings decide it's a good time to
take a trip out to Virginia to see what
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Titus is up to.
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Always happy to entertain an audience,
Titus thinks it's a fantastic idea.
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He sent us a whole agenda of day by day
by week. I think we were there for a
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week. And this day we're going to do
this. This day we're going to do this.
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It is a whirlwind tour.
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They see Titus' properties, have dinner
with his family, and even go to church,
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where Titus is in the choir.
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Titus' image as a God -fearing
conservative Christian is reassuring to
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his investors.
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In my mind, if you...
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Believe in God and Christ, then you're
going to live a certain type of
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and you're going to have a certain type
of integrity. And so that definitely
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gave a little bit more, what's the word
I'm looking for, a little bit more
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essence to who he was.
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And Titus, of course, promises Mary that
he'll make good on the bounce check.
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Before we left on that trip to come
home, he actually wrote her out a new
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That was a little bit more than the
check that she was expecting.
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The Honings leave Virginia not only
satisfied but impressed.
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It doesn't last long.
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Titus tells Mary that it will take a
week for the funds to clear.
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So when the end of the week comes, Mary
goes to the bank to try to deposit the
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check.
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Mom went to the bank to see if the check
was cashable. No, it's not. And she
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checked a number of times. I don't
remember how many times she actually
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with the bank to see if the funds were
there, but the funds were never there.
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Having cash on hand is a constant
problem for Titus.
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There would be gaps.
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in time where there would be no more
investors, therefore no new monies are
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coming in, therefore he has to put
people off for several months.
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She's contacting Troy and she says, hey,
I need the money ASAP.
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The nursing home is threatening
collections.
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They're going to sue me for almost $30
,000. Call me immediately.
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Did not get a phone call back from Troy.
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If the pressure got too great, one of
Troy's greatest things was not
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to his clients. And so he wouldn't
return their calls. He wouldn't answer
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calls. He wouldn't get back to them or
just put them off.
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Sharon sends message after message to
Titus.
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Hey, Troy, what's up?
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Mom is extremely concerned because the
money has not shown up at the bank yet.
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She's actually getting a little frantic
and wondering what's going on. I'm
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starting to feel like a broken record.
Mom is starting to get very depressed
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scared about this situation. We've heard
nothing from you about this. You are
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not responding in any fashion and it's
extremely rude.
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It turns out the Honings aren't the only
ones who can't get a hold of Titus.
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When American Greed returns, with more
and more desperate investors banging on
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his door, can Troy Titus keep them from
knocking it down?
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It's the summer of 2006, and real estate
investor Troy Titus is in trouble.
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For more than two years, Titus has been
orchestrating a classic Ponzi scheme.
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He's been promising returns to investors
that he can't deliver.
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And instead of coming clean, he takes
money from new investors to pay the
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previous ones.
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I guess he just got in a hole, and
instead of trying to get out of it but
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digging, he just kept digging a hole.
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Lonnie Scruggs invests $500 ,000 with
Titus in late 2004, expecting monthly
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interest payments of 25%. For a little
over a year, the payments come right on
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time. But in 2006, they suddenly dry up.
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It was always the same answer. He's got
this super deal working. In another
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couple of weeks, he's going to be able
to pay me up to $150 ,000 or whatever
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number was.
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Of course, that never came.
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Scruggs starts reaching out to other
Titus investors, many of whom are
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or infirm, and discovers that many
people are having the same problem he
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Yeah, that's when I started going after
him. I notified everybody I knew, spread
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the word, you know, here's the evidence.
If you've got any questions, call me.
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And it was embarrassing for me to go
public nationwide and say, you know, I
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suckered for a half a million dollars.
But when I found out that he was
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these elderly willers, Out of all the
money they had, cancer patients, and
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showing no remorse, there was no option.
I mean, I had to do it.
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In August of 2006, Scruggs calls the FBI
field office in Norfolk, Virginia.
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Lonnie was one of the first calls that
we got, and so other calls had come into
447
00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:55,979
the office, and we were just getting
underway as far as getting out and
448
00:29:55,980 --> 00:29:59,060
all the people and finding out what the
story was out there.
449
00:29:59,550 --> 00:30:03,050
The FBI goes on to interview dozens of
investors.
450
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:08,230
Very few had to be convinced that they
were defrauded.
451
00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:13,909
They realized either from the lack of
paper or from Troy's non -response or
452
00:30:13,910 --> 00:30:19,609
talking with other victims that they had
found out that they had been defrauded
453
00:30:19,610 --> 00:30:23,389
and they were convinced that Troy had
ripped them off and they probably
454
00:30:23,390 --> 00:30:24,549
be getting their money back.
455
00:30:24,550 --> 00:30:25,790
I was going into the...
456
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:32,290
One of the investors the FBI speaks with
is cancer patient Gina Katikbak.
457
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:38,209
She initially invests $50 ,000 in a
property in New Jersey, but begins
458
00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:42,290
the runaround from Titus when asking for
collateral and her payments.
459
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:48,269
He has a good way of giving me slick
explanations, too, because he would do
460
00:30:48,270 --> 00:30:52,090
sleight -of -hand thing. He would go,
oh, look, you know, like that.
461
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,959
He would change the subject very, very
cleanly. And I'm going, wait, did he
462
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:58,979
answer my question?
463
00:30:58,980 --> 00:31:01,900
I don't think he answered my question.
464
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,820
Sleight of hand is a good way to
describe what happens next.
465
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,319
Titus says he'll transfer Gina's
original investment along with an
466
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,860
investment of $120 ,000 to music
producer Teddy Riley's studio.
467
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,060
He said this deal is actually much, much
better. He'll make more money, Gina,
468
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:22,620
because we can...
469
00:31:22,990 --> 00:31:27,370
Market this because it's a historical
landmark.
470
00:31:28,530 --> 00:31:33,389
Whether it's actually an historical
landmark or not, it makes little
471
00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:36,610
since Titus doesn't put any of Gina's
money towards buying it.
472
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:39,590
Her investment simply feeds the Ponzi
scheme.
473
00:31:40,590 --> 00:31:44,670
After the FBI reaches out to her and
explains what they believe Titus is
474
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:50,330
Gina eventually accepts that her $170
,000 is as good as gone.
475
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,360
I got home and I stayed in bed for like
two weeks.
476
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,040
Like, I could not get up. I was just, I
was literally sick.
477
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,299
And that's when I started to worry about
my own health. Like, I thought, I'm
478
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:06,839
going to write this off. I'm just going
to give it up. Like, if it comes
479
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,240
through, it comes through.
480
00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:14,119
But I'm no longer going to invest any
energy in it because it's going to make
481
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,119
sick.
482
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,820
And to make matters worse, the money is
borrowed in Riley's name.
483
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,080
meaning Riley is on the hook for the $2
.4 million.
484
00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:27,699
Riley's house is now gone, too. Despite
promises, Titus did nothing to protect
485
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:30,020
it, and creditors foreclosed.
486
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,160
I had to file bankruptcy because it was
all my responsibility.
487
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,760
Despite Titus's world imploding, one
investor still has faith.
488
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:46,099
Ronnie Stoddard is in Virginia, where
Titus is supposedly teaching her the ins
489
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:47,780
and outs of real estate investing.
490
00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:53,729
She has already invested $170 ,000 with
Titus on two houses that are supposed to
491
00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:55,050
be refurbished and sold.
492
00:32:55,270 --> 00:32:59,969
And as far as she can tell, everything
is moving along perfectly until she is
493
00:32:59,970 --> 00:33:01,630
contacted by another investor.
494
00:33:02,550 --> 00:33:09,050
One of the investors with Troy kept
complaining to me, Troy has borrowed
495
00:33:09,170 --> 00:33:10,610
but I'm not getting security.
496
00:33:10,810 --> 00:33:13,050
I don't have collateral for my loans.
497
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,159
In an effort to raise more money, Titus
sends this investor collateral on
498
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,240
properties that Titus has no claim to.
499
00:33:20,860 --> 00:33:24,260
Stoddard tells the angry investor to
send in copies of his deeds.
500
00:33:25,020 --> 00:33:30,979
So he scanned it in, he emailed it to
me, and I will never forget sitting on
501
00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:37,620
floor and reading through all the
alleged collateral.
502
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:44,429
that he had sent on this property and
realizing that Troy did not own one
503
00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:47,310
single piece of it.
504
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:50,910
Everything he had sent him was bogus.
505
00:33:52,010 --> 00:33:57,270
And at that point, I mean the
expression, the scales fell from my
506
00:33:57,670 --> 00:34:02,810
I realized, oh my God, he is a crook.
507
00:34:03,510 --> 00:34:06,490
And, oh my God.
508
00:34:07,630 --> 00:34:08,680
We're lost.
509
00:34:08,949 --> 00:34:14,468
Word about Titus is spreading, and it
leaves too few investors to bilk. And as
510
00:34:14,469 --> 00:34:17,030
soon as the investors dry up, so does
the cash.
511
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:21,388
Titus has been paying money out as soon
as it comes in. He's kept nothing
512
00:34:21,389 --> 00:34:22,439
stashed away.
513
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:28,949
Remarkably, after scamming approximately
40 people for more than $8 million,
514
00:34:29,469 --> 00:34:32,350
Titus has practically nothing to show
for it.
515
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:34,190
He didn't have a home at this time.
516
00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:38,869
He had no cars in his name at this time
either. He was driving a car that had
517
00:34:38,870 --> 00:34:40,430
been given to him by his parents.
518
00:34:40,969 --> 00:34:46,489
The end of Titus' Ponzi scheme comes,
and prosecutors are ready to move.
519
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:52,270
On September 19, 2008, Titus is hit with
an indictment for fraud.
520
00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:54,250
Four days later, he's arrested.
521
00:34:55,210 --> 00:34:59,330
He is taken to the city jail in
Portsmouth, Virginia, to await his bond
522
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:05,419
But where most see a cage, Troy Titus,
king of the seminar, sees a captive
523
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:06,470
audience.
524
00:35:06,660 --> 00:35:11,419
When American greed returns, even in
jail, Troy Titus goes looking for
525
00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:12,470
investors.
526
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,439
Once a high flyer in the real estate
seminar circuit, Troy Titus now sits in
527
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,259
Portsmouth, Virginia jail cell after his
arrest for an $8 .7 million Ponzi
528
00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:39,559
scheme. On September 26, 2008, as his
lawyers prepare for trial, he's released
529
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,160
on a $5 ,000 bond.
530
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,140
The federal judge, however, gives Titus
a stern warning.
531
00:35:45,340 --> 00:35:49,600
He is to have nothing to do with other
people's money. No money management,
532
00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:51,320
investment, or solicitation.
533
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:54,250
But Titus is addicted to other people's
money.
534
00:35:54,380 --> 00:35:58,480
Even while in jail awaiting bond, Titus
is luring investors.
535
00:35:59,260 --> 00:36:06,179
While he was incarcerated in the
Portsmouth jail, he
536
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:12,799
had talked to a couple people regarding
brokering parties to get together for
537
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,400
the purposes of raising money.
538
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:22,519
Once released, Titus attempts to broker
a deal between two inmates in jail and a
539
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,520
friend of his at a financial company.
540
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,040
Yeah, yeah, nothing fazed him. Nothing
fazed him.
541
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,160
I mean, he had more breath than anybody
I've ever seen.
542
00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:37,039
I mean, when a federal judge tells you,
don't go back out there and get yourself
543
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,579
involved in this type of business. Stay
away from it. And he goes on back out
544
00:36:40,580 --> 00:36:41,840
and his business is usual.
545
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,100
It's a direct violation of his bond.
546
00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:50,190
When the judge finds out, Titus is sent
back to jail to await his trial.
547
00:36:50,830 --> 00:36:56,449
I've said a number of times I've never
seen a man so intelligent that could act
548
00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:57,389
so stupid.
549
00:36:57,390 --> 00:37:00,730
On November 10, 2009, the trial begins.
550
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:08,189
Troy Aurelius Titus is facing 49
charges, including bank fraud, mail
551
00:37:08,190 --> 00:37:09,630
fraud, and money laundering.
552
00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:13,650
And by all appearances, Titus thinks
he's going to beat it.
553
00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:16,950
He lets the government's plea offer die
on the table.
554
00:37:17,470 --> 00:37:24,369
His defense was that basically that he
was a victim of his own
555
00:37:24,370 --> 00:37:31,269
success and that the people didn't
understand the transactions
556
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:35,729
that they were involved in. The heart of
the government's case is the testimony
557
00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:36,850
of Titus' victims.
558
00:37:37,350 --> 00:37:40,890
For many, it's the first time they've
seen Titus in years.
559
00:37:41,820 --> 00:37:46,880
Still got that confident, you know,
cocky smile or smirk on his face.
560
00:37:46,881 --> 00:37:50,199
I guarantee if he walked in here right
now, he'd want to shake your hand and
561
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,580
like nothing ever happened.
562
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:55,180
Titus even tells his children that he
will be home for Christmas.
563
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,940
But it is just one more delusion.
564
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:05,740
On December 18, 2009, he is found guilty
on 33 of the 49 counts.
565
00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:11,579
Sharon Honing, whose mother lost her
life savings to Titus, Can't help but
566
00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:12,630
celebrate.
567
00:38:12,860 --> 00:38:15,400
It was like, oh, man, yes.
568
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,530
Sentencing is scheduled for four months
later.
569
00:38:19,060 --> 00:38:22,700
Titus's victims are invited to write
impact statements to the judge.
570
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:29,519
Dear Judge Jackson, now is a good time
to write this victim impact statement as
571
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,239
I'm crying over transferring more money
out of the meager savings we have left
572
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,580
to pay for our mortgage that's worth
more than the house is worth.
573
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,280
Troy completely betrayed my trust and
abused me as well as others.
574
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,060
I met Troy in 2005, the year when I was
recovering from colon cancer.
575
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,219
What is so sad about Troy is that he
does not seem to think he's done
576
00:38:51,220 --> 00:38:56,160
wrong. I put my full trust in him and I
considered him my friend.
577
00:38:56,420 --> 00:38:59,740
Please keep him away from society as
long as you can.
578
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,180
On April 15, 2010, the sentence comes
down.
579
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,820
30 years in prison and $5 .1 million in
restitution.
580
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:12,980
Titus' thousand -watt smile is no longer
so bright.
581
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:18,059
The last time I saw him in the courtroom
when he got sentenced, you know, he
582
00:39:18,060 --> 00:39:21,919
looked a lot different from the Troy of
old. Looking at him, I just felt like I
583
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,460
was looking at a suit with nothing in
it.
584
00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:31,680
You know, a shell of a man with no
heart, no compassion, and no soul.
585
00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:40,399
There's nothing left of Teddy Riley's
recording studio now. It is destroyed in
586
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,990
the fire before it is scheduled to be
auctioned off.
587
00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:48,220
Riley also loses his Virginia Beach home
to foreclosure and declares bankruptcy.
588
00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:54,439
Nevertheless, Riley rebounds. He lives
in Los Angeles and his career is back on
589
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,490
the upswing.
590
00:39:55,580 --> 00:40:02,320
But I got to work with Robin Thicke, the
biggest artist in the world,
591
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,490
Lady Gaga.
592
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,480
I'm doing what I love to do still.
593
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:07,980
So I got my life back.
594
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:14,580
Gina Katikbak loses nearly all of her
$170 ,000 through her dealings with
595
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,999
Like so many others, her investment in
Riley's studio is backed by worthless
596
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,050
pieces of paper.
597
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,910
She now lives with her parents while she
tries to get back on her feet.
598
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,820
I have good parents that help me out
again.
599
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:28,760
And now I'm in recovery.
600
00:40:29,980 --> 00:40:33,220
Most importantly, the cancer is in
remission.
601
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,839
You know what the thing is, after all
that, that's only money. Because I'm
602
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,890
healthy. I'm alive.
603
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:43,120
For Ronnie Stoddard, things are more
difficult.
604
00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:48,259
After she realizes the extent of the
fraud, she tries to salvage her
605
00:40:48,260 --> 00:40:51,740
by rehabbing and selling the two
properties she has invested in.
606
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,999
After months of back -breaking labor,
and after depleting her savings, as well
607
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,279
as borrowing money from her mother, the
properties are still worth less than her
608
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,330
investment.
609
00:41:02,410 --> 00:41:09,349
And so we sold it at a huge loss, and
all
610
00:41:09,350 --> 00:41:10,400
of our money is gone.
611
00:41:12,010 --> 00:41:14,870
All the money that I borrowed from my
mom is gone.
612
00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:17,910
All of our life savings are gone.
613
00:41:19,210 --> 00:41:21,090
All of our security is gone.
614
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:22,700
There's nothing.
615
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:29,010
Sharon Honing's father dies in 2006, but
the bills never go away.
616
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:35,900
Nearly all of the $515 ,000 Mary raises
by mortgaging her two houses is gone.
617
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:42,020
This is my mom's primary residence that
she lived in for over 30 years.
618
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:48,360
And it is now for sale because it got
foreclosed on.
619
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:53,020
Mary moves in with Sharon, but in July
they lose that house as well.
620
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:54,880
Now we live about...
621
00:41:55,470 --> 00:42:00,189
One block around the corner in a single
studio apartment. My mom and I share the
622
00:42:00,190 --> 00:42:01,240
bed, yeah.
623
00:42:01,570 --> 00:42:04,230
Mentally, spiritually, we're okay.
624
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:07,450
And we know that we will be okay.
625
00:42:08,050 --> 00:42:12,510
It's just that as far as the finances
go, they're not happening.
626
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:16,790
Troy Titus declines to speak with
American Greed.
627
00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:22,089
With a 30 -year sentence in federal
prison, he won't be released until he's
628
00:42:22,090 --> 00:42:23,350
than 70 years old.
629
00:42:23,940 --> 00:42:28,780
His victims are left asking themselves
how they were led so far astray.
630
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,940
It just makes me disappointed.
631
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,120
You know, I was let down.
632
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,510
But there's nothing you could do about
it.
633
00:42:38,660 --> 00:42:44,500
You know what I'm saying? I just hope,
you know, the Lord have mercy on him.
634
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:47,550
Well, see, I don't think he thinks he
did anything wrong.
635
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,560
See, all he wanted to do was help
people.
636
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:52,980
So how could he do anything wrong?
637
00:42:52,981 --> 00:42:55,929
And besides which, he's going to pay us
back.
638
00:42:55,930 --> 00:43:00,480
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