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[dramatic music]
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- I can't tell you how many
times I've talked
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about this case.
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You can retire.
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You can walk away and
go about your life,
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but you're always
gonna have to answer
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questions to this case.
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- You want me to tell you?
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[Steve Powell] The story
about the ring.
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[Susan Powell] Okay.
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You're too close.
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- I'd get frustrated when
people would be like,
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"Hey, don't you know her?"
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They'd just talk
about it lightly,
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and it's my friend
that's gone [crying].
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[Susan] [laughing]
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[Anne Bremner] When I look at
this case in its totality,
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I think it's the most
tragic, horrible case
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I've ever seen reported
anywhere.
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[dramatic music builds]
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Susan Cox Powell.
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You know, she was beautiful.
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- Ta-da.
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[Anne] She had these
young boys.
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[Susan] Say, "Hi".
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[Anne] She came from a
great family,
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and then she just disappears.
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[Ellis Maxwell] We have two
box fans that were
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blowing on a couch that
was recently cleaned.
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The house is
completely locked up.
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Susan's purse is in her
bedroom, undisturbed.
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It makes no sense.
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- Josh Powell is a person of
interest in this case.
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- Anybody whose spouse is
missing, they're gonna say,
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"I'm gonna look
everywhere."
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- I don't even know where
to start looking.
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[Reporter] Josh tells police
he took their two young sons
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camping at midnight in
sub-zero temperatures.
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- When you guys came home
from camping,
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who came home with you?
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[Chris Jones] When you look
at the breadcrumbs,
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she left all the evidence.
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Yeah, everybody missed it.
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[Susan] If something
happens to me or my family,
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covering all my bases.
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[Chris] All of a sudden,
this story started
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to sort of branch out
in another direction.
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- She's the most beautiful thing
that ever walked the earth.
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- Josh's father, Steve,
was obsessed with her
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and in love with her in
a sick and twisted way.
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[Chris] He was
infatuated with Susan Powell.
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Bags of toenail clippings,
hair clippings,
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dated and had her name on it.
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[Steve] She did that for me.
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- For the first time ever,
an exclusive interview
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with a family member who will
tell her side of the story.
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- So, here we are,
daddy and daughter.
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- What I saw is different than
what everyone else is claiming.
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[Ben Winslow] How many
people knew?
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Did anybody know?
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[woman] I hope nobody
was in there.
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- Where is she and who
really killed her?
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[dramatic music]
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[theme music]
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♪♪♪♪♪
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[dramatic music]
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- My name is Stephanie Bauer.
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I'm an investigative journalist
who's covered notorious crimes
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across the country
for over a decade.
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Susan Cox Powell was a young
woman who dreamed of being
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a wife and a mother,
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then mysteriously
disappeared in 2009.
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What could've possibly
happened to Susan, and why?
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For years, authorities have
named Susan's own husband,
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Josh Powell, a person of
interest in this ongoing case,
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but what could be Josh's motive?
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[Steve] Okay, one more smile,
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then I'm going to get
the other camera.
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- I've worked hundreds of cases,
if not thousands,
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but the Susan Powell case is
probably right up there
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at the top.
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Everybody you talked to with
the evidence that was there
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believed that Josh was somehow
involved when she went missing.
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[Stephanie] For the first time
ever, we've unearthed
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boxes of home videos made by
Josh Powell's father, Steve.
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- And here I am.
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- These are all his
original tapes?
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- Yes.
- That were taken into evidence?
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[Gary] Those are all
original tapes that were
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taken into evidence.
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[Stephanie] Steven likes to
document everything.
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He takes, like, these bizarre,
lifelong videos.
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[dramatic music]
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- We knew that her father-in-law
had an obsession,
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but I... it's...
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You don't see how bad it was
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until you really
see this evidence.
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- Yeah.
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Unfortunately, I've seen some
sides of Steven that I never,
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ever want to see, and I
can never, ever un-see.
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He had a deviant mind
and an evil intent,
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and then, as you can see,
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the apple doesn't fall far
from the tree with Josh.
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[Susan] All right.
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- See, I married good, huh?
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[Steve] Yeah, no kidding, wow.
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- From the beginning, we set
out to piece together
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a definitive account of what
happened to Susan Cox Powell.
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For the first time ever,
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Susan's family and
the Powell family
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speak out.
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- We're hoping by showing
this or getting stuff out,
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somehow somebody will
have a clue that leads
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to finding Susan.
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- Yeah.
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[dramatic music]
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[Denise Ernest] When I was 12,
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we moved to Puyallup,
Washington,
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And it was just the six of us,
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my three sisters
and my parents.
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Susan was there to support me
no matter what I did.
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- She made me feel happy,
but I could tell if she was
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not feeling herself or unhappy,
but that was rare.
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Most of the time, she was
happy and full of life.
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- [laughing]
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[Steve] Okay.
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[Chuck Cox] Susan was very
positive, always interested,
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and very determined.
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She was willing to do
whatever work was required
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to get what she wanted.
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[Susan] And there's
more stuff...
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[Chuck] In high school,
she decided she wanted
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to be a beautician.
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- And this stuff
makes my skin,
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my face match my arms
because my face doesn't tan.
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- But most of all, she wanted to
be married and have a family.
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She loved kids.
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- She was very impatient
to get to that point
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and was looking around for,
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"Okay, now I got to find me
a potential husband."
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That's when she met Josh.
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[dramatic music]
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[Susan] So he was
shopping for a ring,
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and he told me it was
going to be for his mom,
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and so I was helping him look,
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and he was looking at this
ring that I have on.
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He bought it, and
actually I paid for it
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so he could get the
associate discount-
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[Steve] Ah.
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- And then he turned around
and wrote me a check for it.
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[Steve] Uh-huh [affirmative].
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- You're too close. [laughing]
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So then he eventually proposed.
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[dramatic music]
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- In the Mormon Church,
they have what they call
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a single adult ward where
people go to meet each other,
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and Josh was attending
the same ward.
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[Wedding MC] Two, three.
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[Denise] Susan had been
dating Josh for only
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two months before
they got engaged.
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[Wedding MC] Whenever he's
ready, he's going to let it go.
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- Josh was very,
very loud,
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very overbearing.
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His opinions were the
only right ones,
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and he was very obsessive.
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- Let's get one in this
background.
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Let's all come over to this
background, get one more.
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- He would talk so much
about himself.
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- I'm opening my present.
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[woman] I feel privileged.
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[Steve] This is something you
can actually wear to church.
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[Denise] I thought, "Wow,
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this guy just wants
attention or something."
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[Steve] There goes Josh
into the sunset or something.
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- He thought that he
knew it all,
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and no matter what you
said or did to him,
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he just shrugged it off.
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- I just knew.
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I mean, you know ...
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[woman] You know when
you know, don't ya?
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[Josh] Yeah.
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[Denise] My parents
asked her not to marry him.
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I asked her not to marry him.
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- I said, "Go out and
date like crazy
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for a couple years and
have fun", and she goes,
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"Well, what about Josh?"
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And I looked at her
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and I said, "I'm sorry Susan.
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I look at Josh and
I see darkness."
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[dramatic music]
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[Denise] Susan loved
the religion.
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It was for her.
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She enjoyed the rules.
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She believed in the church.
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If you're in the church and
you get married, you're stuck.
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There is no way out.
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You just got to deal with it.
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You made the decision.
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- In the LDS church,
one of the most important
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beliefs that we have
is that families are
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the most important thing
after God.
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[Steve] Your grandchildren
will love this.
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[Susan] Mm-hmm [affirmative].
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[Steve] Do you have
grandchildren?
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[Steve] [laughs]
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[dramatic music]
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[Denise] Josh had tried to
be a real estate agent.
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It didn't work out.
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So, they were planning
to move to Utah
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for better job opportunities.
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[engine rumbles]
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- See ya later.
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[Steve] Okay, bye.
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[gentle piano music]
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- When Susan found out
she was pregnant,
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she was extremely excited.
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- Wait, wait, wait.
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Here's my language.
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[laughs] So there.
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[Denise] 'Cause she always
wanted a big family.
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[Susan] Charlie, say, "Hi."
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[Denise] When Charlie was born,
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she was really excited
because she gave Josh a son.
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After she had Braydon,
she had two sons.
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- Susan seemed so happy
in her life with Josh,
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but you have to wonder, did
anyone see any warning signs
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in those first few years
of their relationship?
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[Susan] [laughs]
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- She seemed to be
on top of things.
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So, as I got to know
other circumstances,
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I was really surprised.
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Susan told me things leading
up to her disappearance.
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Josh had all these
expectations on her and
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just made her feel awful
if she didn't meet up
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to all of these expectations.
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- Most of the time,
Josh was downstairs in the
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basement in his "office".
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One time, I was watching
the boys for them
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because they were
going on a date
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and they were going
to go see a movie
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and go do dinner, and she
just yelled to Josh,
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like, "Hey, come on let's go.
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We're going to be late,"
and he just snapped.
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He turned and looked at her
and was just, "I'm coming!"
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It was like a switch.
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He was screaming and
the boys started crying.
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- She had called me saying
that Josh had pushed her,
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and they were fighting,
and I said,
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"I'll come get you right now,"
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and she said, "No.
It'll be okay.
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We'll work it out."
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- Domestic violence is such a
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complicated situation
for people.
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It's a type of violence
and crime and abuse
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that is so private,
it's so stigmatized,
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it's so embarrassing to people.
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Someone who is really highly
controlling, highly jealous,
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controlling finances, these
are things that aren't
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as obvious sometimes.
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All of these things cause
serious emotional implications.
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[Tara] As I got to see
the way he treated her,
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I couldn't even stand
going over there anymore.
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So, we would just visit either
at my house or at a park.
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I can't talk about this.
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Sorry.
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She had said so
many times to me,
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"This is not the man
that I married."
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So, she was watching
things fall apart,
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obviously, before her eyes.
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Then I would just see him,
I don't know,
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losing respect for her as
a person and as a woman.
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As things progressed for the
worst, she was asking me
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if I knew, legally,
what her options were
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and I had no idea.
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[dramatic music]
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- We all thought Josh was
pretty harmless.
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Creepy, but harmless.
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- Nice.
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[Denise] But I did hear
him tell her,
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"Over my dead body will
you leave me."
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Over my dead body will
you have those boys."
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- On the morning of
December 7, 2009,
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Josh's mother called 911 to
report that Josh, Susan,
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and their children
had gone missing.
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This is the actual
recording of that call.
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- There was more to every
character in this story
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than what met the eye.
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- The home videos we've
unearthed are shocking.
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[Anne] Steven was
obsessed with her.
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Steven had pictures of her.
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Steven morphed pictures
of himself with her.
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[eerie music]
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- On December 6, 2009,
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a snowstorm covered the suburb
just outside of Salt Lake City
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where Josh and Susan Powell
lived with their two children.
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This house is the last
place Susan was seen
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prior to her disappearance.
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There was a lot of turmoil
in this house with
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small kids and a young marriage,
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but it's eerie to think
something happened here
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really, right where
I'm standing.
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[eerie music]
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- My mom was living
with us at the time,
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and she come upstairs and said
that Debbie Codwell had called,
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and Debbie Codwell was their
caretaker for the boys.
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And Debbie mentioned that
they had never shown up,
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which was really unusual.
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Susan was so dedicated
to her children,
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it was really rather alarming,
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and so we decided to
call the police.
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[eerie music]
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[Jennifer] The officer that
was there called for backup
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and three additional
officers showed up.
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And they kind of had a little
powwow, and turned to us
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and said "Well, we're willing
to break into the house,
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if you will take responsibility
for the window."
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And so of course we agreed.
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And as the officer was
breaking that window,
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he pulled the blind aside
and he was like,
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"What's up with the fans?"
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[Stephanie] When police
officers entered the house,
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the couch had been
freshly cleaned
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and two box fans were
blowing on it.
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Is it possible that someone
was trying to cover up
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whatever happened to Susan on
the night she disappeared?
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- I got into their bedroom,
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and Susan's purse
was right there.
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That- That seems really
odd to me that she'd
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leave her purse behind.
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- The Sergeant taps me
on the shoulder
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and tells me that patrol
is out west in the city
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on a missing family.
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And I go out to the scene,
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when I get there, I walked
into the house
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and I see the cops in
there and-and Jennifer Graves
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and these people in the house,
and I was just, I was furious.
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Kicked everybody out of the
house then just started just
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taking photographs of
everything in the home.
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We have a house that's
completely locked up,
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Susan's purse is in her
bedroom undisturbed,
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she hadn't gone to work, the
kids hadn't gone to daycare,
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they didn't reach out to nobody.
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With all of these little
things that kept popping up,
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it would make it more suspicious
as the day would progress.
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- My cell phone rang, and it
was a woman's voice,
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and she said "This is Jennifer
Graves, I'm Josh's sister.
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When did you last see Susan?"
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So I called up our
friend JoVanna.
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- Kiirsi texted me, and she
said Josh and Susan
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were missing and that
no one had seen them
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since right after church.
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I texted Kiirsi and
said that's not true
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because I saw her
yesterday afternoon.
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[Stephanie] On December 6th,
the day before Susan was
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reported missing, JoVanna Owing
spent the afternoon
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with Josh, Susan, and
their two children.
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Whatever she witnessed
could be crucial
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in determining what happened.
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You are such a key figure in
this because you are
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the last person to see Susan.
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How does that make you feel?
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I imagine you've gone
through a range of emotions.
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- Uh, it makes me- it really
makes me sad that
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I didn't clue in to the fact
that there was possibly
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going to be something that
would happen to her.
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But-
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I just-
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I can't change it.
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- Okay, let's go backwards
a little bit,
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Susan had called you to
come over.
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- Right.
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Susan and I sat down
in the living room
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and she was working on a
blanket for one of her sons,
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and then Josh and the boys
were in the kitchen
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preparing the meal.
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- We heard later that
Josh made pancakes,
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which doesn't sound
very sinister.
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Except when you realize,
Josh refused to make food.
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And did Susan make any
comments, about well
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"Thanks for the dinner honey."
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[JoVanna] Well no, but she
did thank him for bringing
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her her plate, and she
thanked him when he
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put a blanket on her.
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And she said "Isn't that nice?
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He could see I was just
a little bit cold?"
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And I said, "That is sweet."
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After a while, she said
she was feeling tired
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and that she thought
she'd just go in
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and lay down for a little bit.
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- I never met Susan personally,
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but talking to her friends and
her family, she was a fighter.
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Did Josh drug her
or something?
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That's possible.
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[JoVanna] Josh told me he was
going to go sledding,
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and basically pushed me
out the front door.
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And drove off before
I even had left.
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[Ellis] JoVanna is the last
person to speak with them.
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- By noon of the following day,
no one had heard from
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Josh, Susan, or their two
children for over 18 hours.
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[eerie music]
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[Ellis] I was sitting
in my cop car,
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and JoVanna came to
my car and told me
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she had just spoken
to Josh.
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Plenty of people had called
him, he hasn't answered,
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he hasn't returned
any phone calls,
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but this random lady
just shows up at my car
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and tells me she
just spoke to him.
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Where is Susan?
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- I got him on the phone,
and I said-
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I said, "Josh, where are you?"
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And he said, "In West Valley."
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I said, "Well, you need
to get home.
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"Everybody's worried about you.
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"They don't know
where you're at,
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"and they don't know
where Susan's at,
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and you need
to get home."
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And he said, "Okay, I'll
be there in a while,
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but Susan should be at
work or something."
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[Ellis] And after talking
to JoVanna Owings
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at 3 o'clock in the afternoon,
he turns around
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and drives 20 minutes
from West Valley south
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back to call Susan's phone
and leave her a voice mail.
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- Why did he drive back
south 20 minutes
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to make that phone call?
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He was a smart individual.
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I'd called Josh's cell phone,
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and I basically tell Josh,
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"Look, we've been here for
eight, ten hours,
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you need to come home now."
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And he tells me,
"Well, I need to-
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need to go feed my kids."
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And I said, "I don't care,
like, you need to come home.
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Your wife is missing."
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[Stephanie] After Josh
spoke to Detective Maxwell,
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Josh didn't go home.
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Instead, he drove to
Susan's work, parked outside,
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and called her on her cell
phone to tell her he was there
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to pick her up even though
multiple people had told him
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that she had never shown
up for work that day.
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- After I spoke with Josh,
he doesn't show up
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for like 45 minutes.
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And so finally, and he
pulls up to the house,
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and I approach his van,
and I ask him,
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"Hey look let's go down
to our substation
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"where we can discuss this.
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I can get some information from
you about you, your family,
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your wife, so we can
try to find Susan."
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[dramatic music]
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[Stephanie] What you're about
to hear is the actual
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audio from the police
interview with Josh
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the day Susan was
reported missing.
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- As far as we know, Susan
could have just packed up
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with some boyfriend, she had
some affair with somebody
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and left the state.
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- He told me that he had left
between 12:30 - 1:30
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in the morning and packed
the van and the two boys up,
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went to go camping out
in the west desert.
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And I'm thinking to myself,
"Who loads up two little kids
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"and goes out to the
middle of the desert
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knowing that there is a severe
winter storm moving in?"
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- I'm thinking to myself,
"What the [bleep]?"
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[dramatic music]
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- On the day Susan disappeared,
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police questioned Josh
for only an hour.
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Afterwards, they released
him with the agreement
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that he'd return for a scheduled
interview the next morning.
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- We took Josh back to his home
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and released the house to him.
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We talked about whether if we
had enough probable cause
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to do a search warrant for the
home and for the vehicle.
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The conclusion was
that we did not
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and so we left.
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If there's anything different I
could have done in the case,
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it would have been to author
a search warrant that night,
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submit it, and if
it was approved,
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then we would execute it,
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if it wasn't, then we would
just move forward.
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[suspenseful music]
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[Jennifer] That morning
my mom and I decided
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to go back over there.
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We actually got there just
before he was supposed to be
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doing his police appointment.
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[Ellis] When Jennifer Graves
and Terrica Powell
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show up there, he- he's
cleaning out his car,
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he's doing laundry,
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he's doing these things
when he should be at the
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police department sitting down
with me doing an interview.
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[dramatic music]
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[Jennifer] He's like
wondering around through
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the whole house
picking up things,
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trading out laundry out
of the washer/dryer.
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00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,233
This whole situation was odd.
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I didn't know what he was
really doing, ya know?
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Did he do something to Susan?
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00:25:51,667 --> 00:25:54,133
- Josh arrived at the West
Valley City Police Department
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for his interview
nearly four hours late
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and offered no explanation.
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00:26:06,033 --> 00:26:08,166
- It's been 10 years since
Josh's interview
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with Detective Maxwell.
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What was his strategy?
501
00:26:11,233 --> 00:26:15,100
What techniques did he use to
get information out of Josh?
502
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:16,700
Go back to that day.
503
00:26:16,734 --> 00:26:19,033
What are you feeling
knowing his coming in
504
00:26:19,066 --> 00:26:21,400
and you get your crack
at him, basically?
505
00:26:21,433 --> 00:26:23,467
- I want to reach in there
and slap him.
506
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:24,333
[laughs]
507
00:26:25,266 --> 00:26:27,066
[Stephanie] He looks annoyed.
508
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:28,133
[Ellis] Yeah.
509
00:26:28,166 --> 00:26:29,233
- Annoyed to be there, almost.
- Maybe.
510
00:26:29,266 --> 00:26:30,700
- The way he leans back
sort of like,
511
00:26:30,734 --> 00:26:32,233
"I don't really feel
like being here.
512
00:26:32,266 --> 00:26:33,500
This is a waste of my time."
513
00:26:33,533 --> 00:26:34,500
Did you get that feeling?
514
00:26:34,533 --> 00:26:35,500
- Oh yeah, absolutely.
515
00:26:35,533 --> 00:26:38,266
So I'm irritated, I'm upset,
516
00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:41,633
and I'm nervous because
what has he been doing
517
00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:43,767
for the last three
and a half hours?
518
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:05,233
- Susan would not have allowed
519
00:27:05,266 --> 00:27:07,100
him to leave in the
middle of the night
520
00:27:07,133 --> 00:27:08,767
with two little kids to go
out to the west desert
521
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,367
when there's a storm moving in.
522
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,400
- How are you responding
to this?
523
00:27:13,433 --> 00:27:17,233
Are you making him feel like
your story's crazy, come on,
524
00:27:17,266 --> 00:27:20,633
or are you allowing him to
give you more, more, more?
525
00:27:20,667 --> 00:27:23,133
- I'm trying to just
let him talk.
526
00:27:31,033 --> 00:27:34,233
- We located Susan's phone
the night before.
527
00:27:34,266 --> 00:27:36,400
Josh let it in the mini-van.
528
00:27:36,433 --> 00:27:37,767
I pressed him a
little bit saying,
529
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,133
"Yeah but this is her phone.
530
00:27:40,166 --> 00:27:42,700
There's no reason for
you to have her phone."
531
00:27:42,734 --> 00:27:43,767
- Mm-hmm [affirmative]
532
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,166
[Ellis] And you're calling
her phone.
533
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,700
You know you have her phone,
but you're calling her phone.
534
00:27:48,734 --> 00:27:50,567
"Well I forgot I
had her phone".
535
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,300
Just all nonsense.
536
00:27:52,333 --> 00:27:54,166
He's full of lies.
537
00:28:01,066 --> 00:28:02,734
- My blood pressures got
to be up right now.
538
00:28:02,767 --> 00:28:04,300
I mean look at him.
539
00:28:04,333 --> 00:28:05,500
Look at him just sit there.
540
00:28:05,533 --> 00:28:10,400
He does not- he does not
express any remorse,
541
00:28:10,433 --> 00:28:12,367
any concern...
542
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,033
he's just sitting
there nonchalant.
543
00:28:15,066 --> 00:28:17,066
He doesn't care that his
wife's missing.
544
00:28:38,767 --> 00:28:40,333
- He jumped all over that.
545
00:28:52,033 --> 00:28:55,300
- I think the reason why he
jumped all over that is because
546
00:28:55,333 --> 00:28:59,233
he didn't have anything
else to offer to us.
547
00:28:59,266 --> 00:29:03,033
Cause what he did have to
offer to us, he couldn't,
548
00:29:03,066 --> 00:29:05,633
because it would implicate him.
549
00:29:07,166 --> 00:29:09,767
I had no doubt that
he was responsible,
550
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,300
however I could not prove it.
551
00:29:12,333 --> 00:29:15,233
[Josh] [sobbing]
552
00:29:15,266 --> 00:29:18,100
- After I interviewed Josh,
I explained to him,
553
00:29:18,133 --> 00:29:21,100
"Hey, we've secured a search
warrant for your house.
554
00:29:21,133 --> 00:29:22,734
"They're almost finished
with your van.
555
00:29:22,767 --> 00:29:25,734
"If you'll be patient, we'll
get your van back to you
556
00:29:25,767 --> 00:29:27,266
within the hour."
557
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:28,500
[Josh] I can leave?
558
00:29:28,533 --> 00:29:29,667
[Ellis] Yeah, if you want
to leave, you can leave.
559
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:31,567
[Josh] Now, and you're
keeping my phone or?
560
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,133
[Ellis] I'm gonna keep
your phone.
561
00:29:33,166 --> 00:29:34,400
[door closes]
562
00:29:34,433 --> 00:29:37,100
Josh hung out in the lobby
of the police department
563
00:29:37,133 --> 00:29:41,467
for maybe 15-20 minutes,
and then he just left.
564
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:49,333
[dramatic music]
565
00:29:49,367 --> 00:29:53,667
The next day, we learned
Josh had rented a car.
566
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:56,000
- When Josh finished
his interview,
567
00:29:56,033 --> 00:29:58,000
police had not finished
searching his car.
568
00:29:58,033 --> 00:29:59,300
They told him to wait
569
00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:01,333
and they'd return his
van to him shortly.
570
00:30:01,367 --> 00:30:03,467
Instead, he called a taxi,
571
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:07,233
went to the Salt Lake City
Airport, and rented a car.
572
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,533
He would have had his own
car back in 15 minutes,
573
00:30:10,567 --> 00:30:13,367
so why would he pay to rent one?
574
00:30:15,633 --> 00:30:19,166
[Ellis] Josh put, I believe,
806 miles on it.
575
00:30:19,467 --> 00:30:21,600
806 miles is a long ways.
576
00:30:21,633 --> 00:30:24,100
He could have went
into southern Idaho.
577
00:30:24,133 --> 00:30:25,600
He could have went into Wyoming,
578
00:30:25,633 --> 00:30:26,633
Colorado,
579
00:30:26,667 --> 00:30:28,100
Nevada,
580
00:30:28,133 --> 00:30:29,567
Oregon.
581
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,300
What that meant to me was,
582
00:30:32,333 --> 00:30:35,266
did he take her body and
move it somewhere else?
583
00:30:35,533 --> 00:30:38,033
- Josh was gone for 20 hours
584
00:30:38,066 --> 00:30:41,166
and put over 800 miles
on his rental car.
585
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,033
To this day, we still don't
know where Josh went,
586
00:30:44,066 --> 00:30:47,000
what he was doing,
and who he was with.
587
00:30:48,567 --> 00:30:53,333
- Some people believe he met up
with his dad, Steven Powell.
588
00:30:54,266 --> 00:30:56,133
[Stephanie] On the night
Josh is unaccounted for,
589
00:30:56,166 --> 00:30:59,300
there is zero activity
on his cell phone.
590
00:30:59,333 --> 00:31:03,567
Interestingly, there's also
zero activity on his father,
591
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,033
Steve's, phone.
592
00:31:05,066 --> 00:31:06,734
No one called Josh or Steve
593
00:31:06,767 --> 00:31:09,266
and neither of them
reached out to anyone?
594
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:12,033
This is the day after Susan
disappeared,
595
00:31:12,066 --> 00:31:16,100
and both of them are off
the grid at the same time.
596
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,567
- And here I am.
597
00:31:18,166 --> 00:31:20,333
[Stephanie] Could Steve
be connected?
598
00:31:20,367 --> 00:31:25,100
Does he hold the answers
to why Susan disappeared?
599
00:31:26,133 --> 00:31:28,066
- Steve was gone from work;
600
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:32,533
his telephone was completely
shut down for one entire day.
601
00:31:32,567 --> 00:31:34,000
He knows something.
602
00:31:35,033 --> 00:31:37,066
He knows something.
603
00:31:40,767 --> 00:31:49,133
[eerie music]
604
00:31:54,033 --> 00:31:56,066
- It was strange how this-
all of a sudden,
605
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:59,500
this story about
Susan's disappearance
606
00:31:59,533 --> 00:32:01,600
and Josh as a possible suspect
607
00:32:01,633 --> 00:32:04,533
started to sort of branch out
in another direction
608
00:32:04,567 --> 00:32:08,433
and all of a sudden Steve Powell
became part of the story.
609
00:32:11,467 --> 00:32:13,734
- I know that Josh and Steve
are close
610
00:32:13,767 --> 00:32:17,266
so, as the investigation
progressed forward,
611
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:20,633
my partners went up there
within the week or two
612
00:32:20,667 --> 00:32:22,533
and interviewed Steve.
613
00:32:22,567 --> 00:32:29,200
[dramatic music]
614
00:32:41,667 --> 00:32:45,000
- He became a little bit more
interesting of a person
615
00:32:45,033 --> 00:32:50,166
because he openly admitted
this infatuation
616
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,500
that he had with Susan.
617
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:54,133
[Steve] You have a nice
profile too.
618
00:32:54,166 --> 00:32:57,100
It's really, um, pretty.
619
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,333
- I don't even pretend to
be in his brain
620
00:33:19,367 --> 00:33:22,066
figuring out why he was
obsessed about Susan.
621
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:25,600
I have no idea why
he targeted her.
622
00:33:25,633 --> 00:33:28,166
[faucet running]
623
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,734
- You're staring at me.
624
00:33:30,567 --> 00:33:32,467
[Jennifer] I think it bothered
Josh a great deal,
625
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:35,333
but my dad was able to
make him believe that
626
00:33:35,367 --> 00:33:37,633
there was really nothing there.
627
00:33:38,166 --> 00:33:40,200
- The video you're about to
see is footage shot
628
00:33:40,233 --> 00:33:43,500
by Steve Powell that has
never been seen outside
629
00:33:43,533 --> 00:33:45,133
the police investigation.
630
00:33:45,166 --> 00:33:48,333
[dramatic music]
631
00:33:48,367 --> 00:33:49,734
- I'm gonna walk past you now,
632
00:33:49,767 --> 00:33:51,467
so you'll have to
turn off the camera.
633
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:52,467
[Steve] Okay.
634
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:53,633
[Susan] No.
635
00:33:53,667 --> 00:33:55,700
[Steve] Oh, move your hand,
move the box.
636
00:33:57,433 --> 00:34:00,100
- Steven Powell was
narcissistic,
637
00:34:00,133 --> 00:34:01,767
very self-absorbed,
638
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,200
out of touch with reality.
639
00:34:04,233 --> 00:34:07,367
He was under the impression
that any time he was
640
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,767
with Susan or saw Susan,
she was hitting on him,
641
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,133
that she was interested in him.
642
00:34:24,266 --> 00:34:26,266
[Ellis] He was infatuated
with her.
643
00:34:34,033 --> 00:34:35,300
[Ellis] He would video her.
644
00:34:35,333 --> 00:34:38,066
He would be inside of his van
645
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:41,400
and video her walking to
and from buildings.
646
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,166
[Anne] Steven was obsessed
with her.
647
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,433
Steven had journals about her.
648
00:35:02,767 --> 00:35:05,233
Steven had pictures of her.
649
00:35:06,133 --> 00:35:08,667
Steven morphed pictures
of himself with her.
650
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,233
- So ...
651
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:14,700
I probably do some pretty...
652
00:35:15,467 --> 00:35:17,500
well some people might
think they're weird.
653
00:35:26,467 --> 00:35:28,166
I think she's the most
beautiful thing
654
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,667
that ever walked the Earth.
655
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:33,433
- It progressively gets worse
and worse and worse.
656
00:35:33,467 --> 00:35:35,600
[Steve] What I'd like to
is to have-
657
00:35:35,633 --> 00:35:38,367
be able to do this actually
on her body.
658
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,166
- If somebody looked
at this case
659
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,633
and they only looked at
Steven Powell ...
660
00:35:45,567 --> 00:35:47,166
- I'm pretty sweaty.
661
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,166
- I think they would
be quick to say
662
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,533
he was responsible for
her disappearance.
663
00:35:55,767 --> 00:35:58,300
- In reading Steve's journals
and reviewing hours
664
00:35:58,333 --> 00:36:00,100
of his personal home videos,
665
00:36:00,133 --> 00:36:03,300
it's clear, his obsession
began eight years
666
00:36:03,333 --> 00:36:07,367
before she disappeared when Josh
and Susan lived with Steve
667
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,266
for a brief period of time.
668
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:16,433
[eerie music]
669
00:36:16,467 --> 00:36:20,066
- I've been in love with her for
670
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:22,033
a year and a half or more now.
671
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,033
I can't even think
of anything else.
672
00:36:26,633 --> 00:36:28,066
[giggling]
673
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:31,433
- Josh actually screwed up
another job situation,
674
00:36:31,467 --> 00:36:34,734
and they had to move out
of where they were
675
00:36:34,767 --> 00:36:38,100
and they moved in with my dad.
676
00:36:38,133 --> 00:36:39,667
[Steve] I think it's a
comforter.
677
00:36:40,233 --> 00:36:43,667
- Susan first told me that
her father-in-law
678
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:47,400
had a crush on her,
which I thought maybe...
679
00:36:47,433 --> 00:36:49,400
that's kind of odd.
680
00:36:50,367 --> 00:36:52,033
[Steve] Oh by the way I got
those pictures back
681
00:36:52,066 --> 00:36:53,533
I took of you in the mall.
682
00:36:53,567 --> 00:36:55,233
- In the parking lot?
[laughs]
683
00:36:55,266 --> 00:36:56,600
[Steve] Right.
684
00:36:56,633 --> 00:36:58,367
- Those who knew Steve Powell
have distanced themselves
685
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,367
in light of these
disturbing revelations.
686
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,433
This is an exclusive interview
with a woman who had
687
00:37:04,467 --> 00:37:06,467
a long-standing friendship
with Steve.
688
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:10,066
So we've agreed to protect
her anonymity and appearance.
689
00:37:56,700 --> 00:38:01,133
- My dad came onto Susan
and made an offer like,
690
00:38:01,166 --> 00:38:03,100
"Well let's just share.
691
00:38:03,133 --> 00:38:05,166
Josh and I can just share you."
692
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,133
And Susan was so
mortified and disturbed,
693
00:38:08,166 --> 00:38:12,734
she was a newlywed, and
completely devoted to Josh.
694
00:38:14,333 --> 00:38:18,033
This idea was completely
disgusting to her.
695
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,600
[Denise] She was not happy
about that.
696
00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:24,233
Ya know, shortly after
she told me about
697
00:38:24,266 --> 00:38:26,767
his advances toward her,
they moved.
698
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,233
- Susan was really dedicated
to her marriage
699
00:38:31,266 --> 00:38:33,000
and really dedicated
to her children.
700
00:38:33,033 --> 00:38:36,400
She really, really
wanted to make it work.
701
00:38:36,433 --> 00:38:39,166
And it was okay
for a little while.
702
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,767
- Susan had no idea what
she married into.
703
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,567
Imagine trying to raise two
children while navigating
704
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,166
severe emotional abuse
by your husband
705
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,367
and your father-in-law.
706
00:38:52,734 --> 00:38:55,600
- Unfortunately,
for women in Utah,
707
00:38:55,633 --> 00:38:59,533
domestic violence is a
very significant reality.
708
00:38:59,567 --> 00:39:02,700
Nationally, about 30% of
homicides are perpetrated
709
00:39:02,734 --> 00:39:05,166
by a current or former
intimate partner.
710
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,033
In Utah, back to the year 2000,
it's at least 42%,
711
00:39:10,066 --> 00:39:12,367
some years as high as 55%.
712
00:39:13,567 --> 00:39:17,066
Rules within the LDS faith are
not always friendly to women.
713
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:20,367
They're very limiting and
they're very traditional,
714
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,633
and they give a lot
of power to men.
715
00:39:23,667 --> 00:39:26,066
[Denise] Susan felt she
could make things better,
716
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:29,166
and if she just kept going
to church and did what
717
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,734
the Lord wanted her to do,
then things would work out,
718
00:39:32,767 --> 00:39:37,533
and no matter what I said,
she just refused to leave him.
719
00:39:38,767 --> 00:39:42,166
- After a while, Josh started
talking to my dad again.
720
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,433
And he was able to convince
him that it was all
721
00:39:45,467 --> 00:39:48,700
a misunderstanding and
Susan was just wrong,
722
00:39:48,734 --> 00:39:52,033
and misrepresenting
the situation,
723
00:39:52,066 --> 00:39:53,300
or lying to him.
724
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,633
[Kiirsi] Every single time
he got off the phone
725
00:39:55,667 --> 00:39:57,767
with his dad, they would get
into a huge argument.
726
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,200
Josh would just be really
argumentative and really
727
00:40:00,233 --> 00:40:02,400
awful to her, and so she said,
728
00:40:02,433 --> 00:40:06,500
"His dad is trying to pull
us apart on purpose",
729
00:40:06,533 --> 00:40:08,066
and I said, "Why would
he do that,
730
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:11,500
why would he want his son
to lose his marriage?"
731
00:40:11,533 --> 00:40:13,633
And she said, "Because
he wants me for himself."
732
00:40:15,433 --> 00:40:16,767
And she said, "Josh's dad
has been obsessed with me
733
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,400
for a long time."
734
00:40:18,433 --> 00:40:19,734
And I pushed her
and I kept at her
735
00:40:19,767 --> 00:40:21,533
until she went to
a divorce lawyer.
736
00:40:21,567 --> 00:40:23,500
- We are in the
Sarah Circle house.
737
00:40:23,533 --> 00:40:25,500
This is me, hi, sorry.
738
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
[Kiirsi] She said, "Okay this
is what he told me to do,
739
00:40:28,033 --> 00:40:30,600
he told me to walk through
the house with a video camera
740
00:40:30,633 --> 00:40:32,500
and record everything
in the house."
741
00:40:33,066 --> 00:40:34,300
[Susan] Just in case.
742
00:40:34,333 --> 00:40:37,066
[Kiirsi] "And he told me to
put that on a disk,
743
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:39,367
and keep it somewhere safe
away from the house."
744
00:40:40,166 --> 00:40:43,567
- She said, "In case anything
ever happens to me..."
745
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,500
and I always thought that was so
weird of a thing for her to say.
746
00:40:46,533 --> 00:40:48,433
"In case anything
happens to me"
747
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:51,433
So she was expecting it.
748
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,166
- Hope everything works out
and we're all happy and...
749
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,166
live happily ever after as
much as that's possible.
750
00:41:00,467 --> 00:41:02,133
- She gave him an ultimatum.
751
00:41:02,166 --> 00:41:05,033
You need to shape up, or I'm
going to get a divorce.
752
00:41:05,066 --> 00:41:07,266
[Jennifer] Josh was backed
into a corner.
753
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:09,233
I knew he would explode.
754
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:13,700
- She wrote, "If I die,
it may not be an accident.
755
00:41:13,734 --> 00:41:15,734
Even if it looks like one."
756
00:41:20,467 --> 00:41:20,767
[dramatic music]
757
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,166
[Ellis] As the days move on,
758
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,133
we don't have the evidence
to support that Josh
759
00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:32,033
is responsible for
Susan's disappearance,
760
00:41:32,066 --> 00:41:35,166
but detectives went out
to Susan's employer
761
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,300
and the staff told us that
she had a safe deposit box.
762
00:41:40,667 --> 00:41:43,200
- Susan Cox Powell's
safety deposit box
763
00:41:43,233 --> 00:41:46,133
contained two startling
pieces of evidence.
764
00:41:46,166 --> 00:41:49,166
The first was a self-made
home video in which she
765
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,166
documented all the assets
in her house.
766
00:41:53,633 --> 00:41:55,767
- Covering all my bases,
making sure that if
767
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,600
something happens to me
or my family or all of us
768
00:41:58,633 --> 00:42:01,667
that our assets
are documented.
769
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:04,734
[Stephanie] The second
item was a will that she
770
00:42:04,767 --> 00:42:08,066
had hand-written on a
loose-leaf piece of paper.
771
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:10,633
On the front Susan wrote,
772
00:42:10,667 --> 00:42:13,100
"For the family and
friends of Susan,
773
00:42:13,133 --> 00:42:15,734
"all accept Josh Powell,
husband,
774
00:42:15,767 --> 00:42:17,400
I don't trust him."
775
00:42:19,467 --> 00:42:21,367
[Ellis] It was-
776
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,066
it was emotional.
777
00:42:25,133 --> 00:42:27,133
It's like, man, what
is in this thing.
778
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,700
- Every day in the U.S.,
779
00:42:29,734 --> 00:42:32,500
more than three woman
are killed by their
780
00:42:32,533 --> 00:42:34,367
husbands or boyfriends.
781
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,767
Imagine being abused
by the person you love,
782
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,367
who you chose to marry,
and feeling so helpless
783
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,233
that you write a will and
hide it in case he kills you.
784
00:42:46,266 --> 00:42:50,100
She wrote "If I die, it may
not be an accident,
785
00:42:50,133 --> 00:42:51,767
"even if it looks like one.
786
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,333
Take care of my boys."
787
00:42:54,367 --> 00:42:56,200
- Several people are now
wondering what went on
788
00:42:56,233 --> 00:42:58,333
behind closed doors of
the Powell residence.
789
00:42:58,367 --> 00:43:02,600
- They were not really
communicating well,
790
00:43:02,633 --> 00:43:05,033
and I think she
was contemplating
791
00:43:05,066 --> 00:43:06,700
divorcing him at that point.
792
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:09,734
- Now according to public
record, Josh had filed for
793
00:43:09,767 --> 00:43:13,333
bankruptcy because they
were $200,000 in debt.
794
00:43:15,266 --> 00:43:17,433
- He would try to control the
money and she had to
795
00:43:17,467 --> 00:43:19,767
hide money here and there.
796
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,100
- Susan was given a-
797
00:43:24,133 --> 00:43:26,400
a very small spending allowance,
798
00:43:26,433 --> 00:43:28,166
less than a hundred bucks.
799
00:43:29,033 --> 00:43:31,133
That was what she
bought food on.
800
00:43:31,166 --> 00:43:33,700
That's what she paid for gas on.
801
00:43:33,734 --> 00:43:36,400
- He got mad at her for
giving the boys
802
00:43:36,433 --> 00:43:38,700
each an entire hot dog.
803
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:43,166
Instead of cutting one in half
and them eating half a hot dog.
804
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,734
- Josh got rid of
their second car
805
00:43:47,767 --> 00:43:49,266
and that was another way
he had to control her,
806
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:52,133
he claimed it was
costing too much gas.
807
00:43:52,166 --> 00:43:54,066
She had to ride a bike
to work seven miles
808
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:57,066
on a very, very busy road.
809
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:59,533
[Kirk] Josh just had an
absolute control
810
00:43:59,567 --> 00:44:01,100
over what went on.
811
00:44:05,333 --> 00:44:08,433
- Hope everything works out
and we're all happy and...
812
00:44:08,467 --> 00:44:11,400
live happily ever after as
much as that's possible.
813
00:44:12,333 --> 00:44:16,700
- I hope that if I have other
friends in this situation
814
00:44:16,734 --> 00:44:19,467
that I can help them figure out
who to talk to,
815
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:21,567
which direction to take.
816
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,433
- He was losing control.
817
00:44:23,467 --> 00:44:26,533
Definitely losing control
in a number of ways.
818
00:44:27,133 --> 00:44:30,367
Probably including
a likely divorce.
819
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,600
- That spring, she kind of
gave him an ultimatum
820
00:44:34,633 --> 00:44:36,233
like you need to shape up
821
00:44:36,266 --> 00:44:38,266
or I'm going to get a divorce.
822
00:44:39,133 --> 00:44:42,200
You need to start loving me
like you loved me,
823
00:44:42,233 --> 00:44:44,700
supporting me, going to church,
824
00:44:44,734 --> 00:44:46,333
helping with the kids,
825
00:44:46,367 --> 00:44:48,200
being compassionate.
826
00:44:48,233 --> 00:44:52,266
And I think something took
place in that house...
827
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:53,633
that evening...
828
00:44:54,266 --> 00:44:57,166
[Stephanie] Is this the
motive for Susan's murder
829
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,433
or is Steve Powell's
obsession the real cause?
830
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,667
Detective Maxwell thinks
Susan Cox Powell
831
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:07,567
was most likely killed
by her husband
832
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,266
the night she went missing.
833
00:45:21,233 --> 00:45:24,500
It was interesting because
I asked to see his hands
834
00:45:24,533 --> 00:45:29,367
and the next time I see him,
I take pictures of his hands,
835
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,100
he was very concerned that I
was interested in his hands.
836
00:45:34,133 --> 00:45:35,500
And I thought that
was kind of funny,
837
00:45:35,533 --> 00:45:37,633
and he was pointing out well
I've got a little nick here,
838
00:45:37,667 --> 00:45:39,200
and I've got dry hands.
839
00:45:39,233 --> 00:45:41,533
[Chris] They had left him
in the room for a moment.
840
00:45:41,567 --> 00:45:44,767
I just remember him, the way
he looked at his hands
841
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,166
and the way he was
squeezing them together,
842
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,166
and I wonder what was he looking
at and what was he remembering.
843
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,066
What did he see in his hands?
844
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:55,367
I mean, it just makes you
think that those hands
845
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,600
had something to do with her
death and disappearance.
846
00:45:59,266 --> 00:46:00,667
- See, right here he's looking
at his hands again,
847
00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:03,633
he's so worried about his hands.
848
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:17,000
- He's concerned.
849
00:46:17,033 --> 00:46:19,533
He's concerned that
maybe he slipped up.
850
00:46:19,567 --> 00:46:22,000
As you can see, he's looking
at his hands again.
851
00:46:22,033 --> 00:46:23,767
- Again with the hands.
- Right.
852
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,400
You know, that's what
leads me to believe that
853
00:46:25,433 --> 00:46:26,767
he strangled her.
854
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,600
Those hands, right there,
that's what took Susan's life.
855
00:46:34,734 --> 00:46:36,200
- This is a police photo taken
856
00:46:36,233 --> 00:46:38,734
the day that Susan
was reported missing.
857
00:46:38,767 --> 00:46:41,467
It shows the tile
beside the couch,
858
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:44,300
the same couch police
discovered had been
859
00:46:44,333 --> 00:46:47,433
freshly cleaned the day
they searched the home.
860
00:46:47,467 --> 00:46:50,400
Did Josh clean the couch to
cover up what happened,
861
00:46:50,433 --> 00:46:55,000
but miss the blood caused
by Susan's murder?
862
00:46:55,033 --> 00:46:57,233
[Ellis] The blood droplets
are off to the left
863
00:46:57,266 --> 00:46:59,033
of the armrest on the title.
864
00:46:59,066 --> 00:47:01,100
Come from her maybe coughing?
865
00:47:01,133 --> 00:47:03,200
Because they're really
minute, they're tiny,
866
00:47:03,233 --> 00:47:05,300
little just droplets.
867
00:47:05,333 --> 00:47:09,433
And I think that's where
he tries to strangle her
868
00:47:09,467 --> 00:47:10,567
and suffocate her.
869
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,633
[Stephanie] We're driving
through one of the big highways
870
00:47:13,667 --> 00:47:15,667
in Salt Lake I-80.
871
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:18,233
All I can think about is
872
00:47:18,266 --> 00:47:21,600
did Josh Powell drive on this
very road with his sons
873
00:47:21,633 --> 00:47:26,400
in the back seat and his dead
wife in the back of their car?
874
00:47:26,633 --> 00:47:28,233
Is that conceivable?
875
00:47:29,266 --> 00:47:33,333
Who was involved, how deep
does this conspiracy go,
876
00:47:33,367 --> 00:47:36,333
does this crime go,
does this plan go?
877
00:47:36,367 --> 00:47:39,700
If he got rid of Susan,
did Steve help him plan it
878
00:47:39,734 --> 00:47:43,100
and then help him dispose
of the body after the fact?
879
00:47:45,033 --> 00:47:49,667
[dramatic music]
880
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:52,600
- Detectives met again this
morning and they say that they
881
00:47:52,633 --> 00:47:56,066
are frustrated that they
have had no real significant
882
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:58,367
developments in Susan Powell's
disappearance,
883
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,433
it's like she just
vanished into thin air.
884
00:48:01,467 --> 00:48:03,467
- Three days after Susan's
disappearance,
885
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:06,467
local media descended onto
West Valley City.
886
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:09,633
At the same time, local
police where tirelessly
887
00:48:09,667 --> 00:48:13,066
searching the vast desert
were Josh claims
888
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:16,133
he went camping the night
Susan went missing.
889
00:48:16,166 --> 00:48:17,767
[Reporter] Detectives have
named Josh Powell
890
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,233
a person of interest
in the case.
891
00:48:20,266 --> 00:48:22,633
- I wanted to make sure
that everything
892
00:48:22,667 --> 00:48:25,433
was investigated that needed
to be investigated.
893
00:48:25,467 --> 00:48:28,166
The last thing that the
department wanted
894
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,600
is to have Josh charged
895
00:48:30,633 --> 00:48:34,400
and he get off because
he don't have a body.
896
00:48:37,467 --> 00:48:41,533
[eerie music]
897
00:48:41,567 --> 00:48:44,100
During the course of
conducting our interviews
898
00:48:44,133 --> 00:48:46,266
with friends and family,
899
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:49,400
one individual shared
that months prior
900
00:48:49,433 --> 00:48:52,600
they got talking about
crime television shows.
901
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:16,133
- Josh told them the best
place to hide a body
902
00:49:16,166 --> 00:49:17,333
would be in a mine.
903
00:49:17,367 --> 00:49:20,333
There's thousands of these mines
904
00:49:20,367 --> 00:49:23,767
and therefore, ya know, the
body would never be discovered.
905
00:49:24,467 --> 00:49:27,033
Going through Josh's computer
files that we did have
906
00:49:27,066 --> 00:49:32,133
access to, he did research
the area of Simpson Springs
907
00:49:32,166 --> 00:49:33,734
which is out in the west desert.
908
00:49:33,767 --> 00:49:36,667
He researched Ely, Nevada.
909
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:40,667
He researched all kinds of
remote areas like that
910
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:42,500
where there are mines.
911
00:49:43,533 --> 00:49:46,500
Did he take her out there
and dump her off in a mine?
912
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:48,767
Maybe.
913
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,633
- I think people don't realize
here in Utah,
914
00:49:51,667 --> 00:49:56,000
you've got mountains and
it's tough to drive places.
915
00:49:56,033 --> 00:49:58,700
It's rarely just a straight
flat line to get to where
916
00:49:58,734 --> 00:50:00,033
you want to go.
917
00:50:02,533 --> 00:50:06,033
It took a long time just to get
out to the west desert of Utah
918
00:50:06,066 --> 00:50:07,367
to some of these search spots.
919
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,367
Then once you get there,
you've got rolling hills,
920
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,734
ravines, canyons, gullies,
921
00:50:12,767 --> 00:50:16,266
it's just physically difficult
to search some of the spots
922
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:18,667
that they were searching
for Susan Powell.
923
00:50:19,633 --> 00:50:21,734
- Now, once again, Josh Powell
is a person of interest
924
00:50:21,767 --> 00:50:23,000
in this case.
925
00:50:23,033 --> 00:50:24,400
I've tried to get a
comment from him,
926
00:50:24,433 --> 00:50:27,200
actually a couple days ago
I knocked on his door
927
00:50:27,233 --> 00:50:29,133
and a man on the
other side says,
928
00:50:29,166 --> 00:50:30,166
"He won't comment.
929
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,600
Get off the property".
930
00:50:31,633 --> 00:50:35,100
- The media attention had
already gotten ridiculous,
931
00:50:35,133 --> 00:50:36,333
extreme.
932
00:50:36,367 --> 00:50:38,533
We had people coming to
our house, news cameras,
933
00:50:38,567 --> 00:50:40,133
doing interviews.
934
00:50:40,166 --> 00:50:41,700
[Reporter] Yesterday, Josh
Powell held a press conference
935
00:50:41,734 --> 00:50:44,567
through his brother-in-law
Kirk Graves.
936
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,266
Powell wanted to set the record
straight on speculation that
937
00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:51,367
Josh had something to do with
Susan's disappearance.
938
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,333
[Kirk] The initial reaction
was not rejection by
939
00:50:53,367 --> 00:50:54,700
the family for Josh.
940
00:50:54,734 --> 00:50:57,333
It wasn't, "Oh Josh, what
have you done?"
941
00:50:57,367 --> 00:51:01,367
It's hard to know how to
start a discussion like this.
942
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,667
There are so many
emotions and so few facts.
943
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:07,300
It was really the next
week that the family
944
00:51:07,333 --> 00:51:09,500
started looking and saying,
945
00:51:09,533 --> 00:51:12,633
"This is just not right,
something's really wrong."
946
00:51:12,667 --> 00:51:17,000
After Susan disappeared,
Josh wouldn't say anything.
947
00:51:17,266 --> 00:51:19,266
He just wouldn't talk.
948
00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:21,667
[Stephanie] By all accounts,
Josh had no problem
949
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:23,266
expressing his opinion.
950
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:26,700
Everyone I've talked to said
he talked nonstop,
951
00:51:26,734 --> 00:51:30,066
but after Susan disappeared,
he stopped talking.
952
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:32,533
When he agreed to go back to
be interviewed by police,
953
00:51:32,567 --> 00:51:36,066
this time with a lawyer,
he wouldn't say a single word.
954
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,266
- Your wife's gone
and you're not...
955
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:04,233
contributing to the solution
to the problem.
956
00:52:04,266 --> 00:52:06,300
- Chris Jones is on our
top story tonight
957
00:52:06,333 --> 00:52:08,333
from West Valley, Chris?
958
00:52:08,367 --> 00:52:09,633
[Chris] We were at the
Sarah Circle house.
959
00:52:09,667 --> 00:52:11,734
All the media was there,
they'd been there for hours,
960
00:52:11,767 --> 00:52:13,700
and I had gotten
Jennifer Graves' address.
961
00:52:13,734 --> 00:52:16,667
And I thought, well let's just,
ya know, off chance that
962
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:18,266
maybe he's there.
963
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:22,200
So myself and our photographer,
we drove over, we parked,
964
00:52:22,233 --> 00:52:25,533
and literally as soon as the
wheels stopped in the snow,
965
00:52:25,567 --> 00:52:27,633
I'm like that's him,
that's Josh.
966
00:52:27,667 --> 00:52:29,600
And we started rolling
the camera.
967
00:52:29,633 --> 00:52:31,100
Josh?
968
00:52:31,133 --> 00:52:34,000
Hey, I'm Chris Jones from
channel two, how are yeah?
969
00:52:34,033 --> 00:52:35,567
- I'm okay.
- Yeah?
970
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,467
We walk up to him,
and I remember thinking
971
00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:39,700
okay, this is going to be
a very sensitive, ya know,
972
00:52:39,734 --> 00:52:43,500
how do you do this interview
without, ya know,
973
00:52:43,533 --> 00:52:45,567
getting him to spook
and run away?
974
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,500
And the boys, I mean, what do
you tell them about their mom?
975
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:55,300
- I haven't told them anything.
976
00:52:55,333 --> 00:52:56,700
[Chris] As we started to
get into some of those
977
00:52:56,734 --> 00:53:00,333
more difficult questions,
his discomfort level
978
00:53:00,367 --> 00:53:02,700
started to rise,
and so did mine.
979
00:53:02,734 --> 00:53:05,767
He tugged at his hat
and had just like
980
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,100
bad answers for all these
very basic questions.
981
00:53:09,133 --> 00:53:13,066
The report is neither you nor
your wife called in sick
982
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:16,767
and they said that's not usual,
what are your thoughts on that?
983
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,667
- Ya know, I didn't, uh...
984
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:22,633
I was somehow thinking
that it was Sunday.
985
00:53:22,667 --> 00:53:26,567
I didn't go to church and I...
986
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:27,633
I just...
987
00:53:27,667 --> 00:53:29,367
missed a day.
988
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,100
- He says, "Well, I didn't
go to church.
989
00:53:31,133 --> 00:53:32,300
It was Sunday."
990
00:53:32,333 --> 00:53:34,633
But then the next day
would clearly be Monday,
991
00:53:34,667 --> 00:53:39,300
so, um, you know, what exactly
are you talking about?
992
00:53:39,333 --> 00:53:41,533
Did you think there were
two Sundays in a row?
993
00:53:42,233 --> 00:53:45,000
Tell us what
happened that night.
994
00:53:45,734 --> 00:53:47,734
- Yeah, I just...
995
00:53:47,767 --> 00:53:50,500
a lot of times I just go
camping with my boys, ya know.
996
00:53:50,533 --> 00:53:52,500
- He is absolutely
uncomfortable,
997
00:53:52,533 --> 00:53:55,467
but never once does
he ask about,
998
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:57,300
ya know, "What have you heard?"
999
00:53:57,333 --> 00:53:59,400
Or, "I wonder, where
could she be?"
1000
00:53:59,433 --> 00:54:01,567
"Why are you here, why
aren't you looking for her?"
1001
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,633
There's absolutely no concern
for her well-being at all.
1002
00:54:04,667 --> 00:54:08,633
It appears that your wife left
her cell phone and purse,
1003
00:54:08,667 --> 00:54:11,266
do you have any idea-
I mean does she go off
1004
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:12,533
to sort of maybe clear
her head, I mean,
1005
00:54:12,567 --> 00:54:15,033
do you have any idea
where she could be?
1006
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:19,000
- No.
1007
00:54:21,367 --> 00:54:24,000
- When you see his interview,
you just say,
1008
00:54:24,033 --> 00:54:27,166
"Is that the way a guy acts when
his wife has disappeared?"
1009
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,266
It's more the way he acts
when she's been murdered...
1010
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:30,433
by him.
1011
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:33,667
- Where is Susan Cox Powell?
1012
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:34,433
Who knew?
1013
00:54:34,467 --> 00:54:35,700
How many people knew?
1014
00:54:35,734 --> 00:54:37,133
Did anybody know?
1015
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,033
- The rest of Josh's family?
1016
00:54:44,066 --> 00:54:45,033
Creepy.
1017
00:54:46,333 --> 00:54:48,166
- Steve basically
brain-washed them.
1018
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,133
- Family can be a salvation
1019
00:54:50,166 --> 00:54:52,200
or an absolute destruction.
1020
00:54:52,233 --> 00:54:54,567
- The Powell family is not
at all what they seem.
1021
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,133
They know something.
1022
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:59,100
[Stephanie] There's
so much more to this case.
1023
00:54:59,133 --> 00:55:02,266
Dark secrets and
disturbing revelations.
1024
00:55:09,233 --> 00:55:11,734
[dramatic music]
1025
00:55:11,767 --> 00:55:13,667
[Stephanie] Susan Cox Powell
went missing
1026
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:18,266
from her West Valley City home
on December 6th, 2009.
1027
00:55:18,300 --> 00:55:20,233
[Reporter] Josh tells police
he took their two young sons
1028
00:55:20,266 --> 00:55:23,300
camping at midnight in
sub-zero temperatures.
1029
00:55:27,567 --> 00:55:29,033
- It makes no sense.
1030
00:55:30,066 --> 00:55:31,633
[Ellis] Yeah, if you want,
you can leave.
1031
00:55:31,667 --> 00:55:34,533
I have no doubt that
he is responsible;
1032
00:55:34,567 --> 00:55:36,633
however, I could not prove it.
1033
00:55:36,667 --> 00:55:39,300
- I did hear him tell her,
1034
00:55:39,333 --> 00:55:41,600
"Over my dead body will
you have those boys.
1035
00:55:41,633 --> 00:55:44,000
Over my dead body will
you leave me."
1036
00:55:44,033 --> 00:55:46,600
[Ellis] She had a safe
deposit box and I was like,
1037
00:55:46,633 --> 00:55:48,734
"Man, what is in this thing?"
1038
00:55:48,767 --> 00:55:50,233
- Covering all my bases.
1039
00:55:50,266 --> 00:55:53,266
Making sure if something
happens to me or my family
1040
00:55:53,300 --> 00:55:56,734
or all of us that our
assets are documented.
1041
00:55:56,767 --> 00:55:58,000
- All of a sudden,
1042
00:55:58,033 --> 00:56:01,100
this story about Susan's
disappearance
1043
00:56:01,133 --> 00:56:03,433
and Josh as a possible suspect
1044
00:56:03,467 --> 00:56:06,133
started to sort of branch out
in another direction.
1045
00:56:06,166 --> 00:56:08,533
Steve Powell became
part of the story.
1046
00:56:08,567 --> 00:56:10,333
- Josh's father was
obsessed with her
1047
00:56:10,367 --> 00:56:12,734
and in love with her in
a sick and twisted way.
1048
00:56:12,767 --> 00:56:16,133
- I've been in love with her for
1049
00:56:16,166 --> 00:56:18,166
a year and a half
or more now.
1050
00:56:20,133 --> 00:56:23,166
- Steve Powell had an alibi the
day Susan went missing.
1051
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,500
He was in Washington state with
his three adult children
1052
00:56:26,533 --> 00:56:28,633
who lived with him at the time.
1053
00:56:28,667 --> 00:56:31,133
If Susan was murdered by Josh,
1054
00:56:31,166 --> 00:56:34,066
Steve could not be
physically involved,
1055
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:38,000
but that doesn't mean he
wasn't somehow connected.
1056
00:56:38,033 --> 00:56:41,266
Could Steve be the
mastermind behind
1057
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:43,066
Susan's disappearance?
1058
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:46,367
Can a father's influence
prove deadly?
1059
00:56:50,667 --> 00:57:01,166
[dramatic music]
1060
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,467
- Over time, it became
clear that there was
1061
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:06,266
something off about every-
1062
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:09,033
every member of the
Powell family.
1063
00:57:09,266 --> 00:57:10,667
- I am at the head of the table.
1064
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:12,233
[Michael] I am at the
head of the table.
1065
00:57:12,266 --> 00:57:14,467
[Steve] Nobody is to defy my...
1066
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:15,467
[Michael] My head [laughing]
1067
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:16,400
[Steve] [laughing] My head.
1068
00:57:16,433 --> 00:57:18,066
[Michael] At the table.
1069
00:57:18,734 --> 00:57:20,033
- I'm the oldest,
1070
00:57:20,066 --> 00:57:22,700
and then Josh,
he's the oldest boy,
1071
00:57:22,734 --> 00:57:27,066
then John, who was
mentally ill.
1072
00:57:29,166 --> 00:57:32,100
And then Michael,
who is the third,
1073
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,500
and finally my youngest
sibling, Alina.
1074
00:57:38,633 --> 00:57:39,767
[Steve] So Alina is gonna
try it too.
1075
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,100
I bet you she can't
even hang on,
1076
00:57:42,133 --> 00:57:43,266
let alone pull herself up.
1077
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:44,667
Oh, she pulled herself up,
look at that!
1078
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:45,767
- Shut up!
1079
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,200
- We were polar opposites
to his family.
1080
00:57:48,233 --> 00:57:50,333
[Steve] Move that camera
out of your face,
1081
00:57:50,367 --> 00:57:51,767
I'm gonna get a still.
1082
00:57:52,433 --> 00:57:55,033
Look, look mom, geez.
1083
00:57:55,066 --> 00:57:57,700
- Steve's rules were basically
there are no rules,
1084
00:57:57,734 --> 00:58:00,500
except for when he says
something or talks,
1085
00:58:00,533 --> 00:58:01,734
well, you're listening to him.
1086
00:58:01,767 --> 00:58:03,600
[Steve] Turn around this
way okay,
1087
00:58:03,633 --> 00:58:04,667
just turn around to the-
1088
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:06,133
there we go.
1089
00:58:06,166 --> 00:58:08,066
Well now, turn back this way.
1090
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:10,333
- Aw geez, you
lost your chance.
1091
00:58:10,367 --> 00:58:11,200
[Steve] Okay, okay.
1092
00:58:11,233 --> 00:58:13,000
- Family can be a salvation
1093
00:58:13,033 --> 00:58:15,233
or an absolute destruction.
1094
00:58:15,667 --> 00:58:19,133
- When I met the rest
of Josh's family,
1095
00:58:19,166 --> 00:58:21,734
it was just like when I met him:
1096
00:58:21,767 --> 00:58:23,000
creepy.
1097
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:38,133
[dramatic music]
1098
00:58:38,166 --> 00:58:42,734
- We had a strained and
problematic family situation.
1099
00:58:42,767 --> 00:58:46,567
My dad was quite divisive
and he would pit the
1100
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,767
girls against the
boys frequently.
1101
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,300
And was really negative
toward my mother.
1102
00:58:51,333 --> 00:58:53,433
He pretty much treated
her like dirt.
1103
00:58:55,133 --> 00:58:56,633
- The dynamic of that
Powell family
1104
00:58:56,667 --> 00:58:58,066
is very skewed,
1105
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:02,400
it's not your average
American family.
1106
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:04,500
I interviewed Terrica.
1107
00:59:15,133 --> 00:59:18,000
- When we were kids,
we wet our beds
1108
00:59:18,033 --> 00:59:21,200
and my dad found it
really frustrating.
1109
00:59:22,433 --> 00:59:26,400
He would make us go get in a
tub of ice cold water
1110
00:59:26,433 --> 00:59:30,567
and lay down all the way until
we were up to our necks in it.
1111
00:59:32,066 --> 00:59:35,000
I don't know why he thought
that would be helpful,
1112
00:59:35,033 --> 00:59:36,667
but somehow, he thought
that he could just
1113
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:38,500
mentally shock it out of us.
1114
01:00:22,066 --> 01:00:24,500
My dad had a
pornography problem
1115
01:00:24,533 --> 01:00:26,300
as long as I could remember.
1116
01:00:28,266 --> 01:00:30,266
He traveled frequently
1117
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:33,600
and there was a time I went on
a business trip with him.
1118
01:00:33,633 --> 01:00:37,066
We were staying in a hotel
and I was in my bed,
1119
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:40,033
snuggled up under my blankets,
1120
01:00:40,066 --> 01:00:42,333
and he turned on the television
1121
01:00:42,367 --> 01:00:44,133
and started flipping
through channels,
1122
01:00:44,166 --> 01:00:46,100
and settled on this...
1123
01:00:46,133 --> 01:00:49,400
totally x rated program.
1124
01:00:49,433 --> 01:00:51,367
And I'm young.
1125
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,100
I'm like, I don't
even know, 10,
1126
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,100
11 years old?
1127
01:00:57,033 --> 01:00:59,166
And I'm just snuggled up
under my blanket
1128
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,633
going, "Oh my gosh,
what is he doing?
1129
01:01:02,667 --> 01:01:04,500
I know this is wrong."
1130
01:01:05,533 --> 01:01:08,200
Ya know, we've had lots
of conversations about
1131
01:01:08,233 --> 01:01:11,333
my father's mental state,
1132
01:01:11,367 --> 01:01:14,233
there was a lack of
feeling to other people
1133
01:01:14,266 --> 01:01:18,033
and their situations
and their needs.
1134
01:01:18,233 --> 01:01:20,233
He just had this focus.
1135
01:01:20,266 --> 01:01:23,467
He just wanted to do
what he wanted to do,
1136
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:27,367
and it didn't matter if it
was good for anybody else
1137
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:31,400
or if it was even good for
him in a lot of cases.
1138
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:35,700
He was just tearing
our family apart.
1139
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,767
Dividing us into
two opposite groups
1140
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,200
and trying to turn us
against our mom.
1141
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:47,667
- He just basically
persuaded those kids,
1142
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:50,100
he brainwashed them.
1143
01:01:50,133 --> 01:01:53,500
Josh, Alina, Michael, John.
1144
01:01:55,233 --> 01:01:58,567
- My father didn't
genuinely love us.
1145
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:02,133
When you genuinely love someone,
1146
01:02:02,166 --> 01:02:05,033
you desire their continual
1147
01:02:05,066 --> 01:02:08,066
growth and spiritual
development,
1148
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:09,767
and he didn't.
1149
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,000
[Steve] Jenny is probably
the most irrational person
1150
01:02:13,033 --> 01:02:14,667
that I personally know.
1151
01:02:16,166 --> 01:02:18,767
- [crying] Sorry, give me
a second.
1152
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:25,567
[crying]
1153
01:02:29,667 --> 01:02:32,767
Alright, we're gonna
have to take a second.
1154
01:02:36,667 --> 01:02:38,533
[eerie music]
1155
01:02:38,567 --> 01:02:42,066
- Steve Powell, on the
surface, seems normal,
1156
01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:45,567
but then as you peel
it back, there's-
1157
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,433
there's just the oddness
of his personality.
1158
01:02:48,467 --> 01:02:50,233
You peel it back a
little bit further,
1159
01:02:50,266 --> 01:02:53,734
there is what is a clear
obsession with Susan Powell.
1160
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,567
[Steve] She's so beautiful.
1161
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,600
She knows I'm here.
1162
01:02:59,633 --> 01:03:05,066
[Chris] That sexual obsession
that he had for Josh's wife,
1163
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:07,033
that Josh had to know about.
1164
01:03:07,066 --> 01:03:11,233
How does that sort of color
everything that Josh does?
1165
01:03:11,567 --> 01:03:14,633
[Steve] And I can't go
too far because I'm
1166
01:03:14,667 --> 01:03:18,066
hooked up to the TV here.
1167
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:19,467
[Chuck] I suspect that
Steven Powell
1168
01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:22,000
knows about Susan's
disappearance.
1169
01:03:22,033 --> 01:03:24,767
I think he knows, even if he
wasn't directly involved.
1170
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,166
[Steve] Okay, it's on.
1171
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,600
- I thought to myself,
"Steve Powell is huge
1172
01:03:28,633 --> 01:03:31,600
in this investigation,"
and it wasn't just me,
1173
01:03:31,633 --> 01:03:36,300
I mean my supervisor, my peers,
all came to this conclusion.
1174
01:03:37,633 --> 01:03:41,633
[Steve] I'd love to spend the
evening in here with Susan
1175
01:03:41,667 --> 01:03:43,133
is what I'd like to do.
1176
01:03:43,166 --> 01:03:46,033
That's the only person I
would even be interested in.
1177
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:51,200
- We had to prove
or disprove his
1178
01:03:51,233 --> 01:03:53,500
involvement in this
investigation.
1179
01:03:57,166 --> 01:03:58,533
[dramatic music]
1180
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,000
- As the investigation into
Susan's disappearance
1181
01:04:06,033 --> 01:04:09,233
progressed, police began
undercover surveillance
1182
01:04:09,266 --> 01:04:11,734
of Josh Powell and his family.
1183
01:04:11,767 --> 01:04:14,533
[Ellis] We didn't have a body,
so we had to see if
1184
01:04:14,567 --> 01:04:17,100
Josh eventually would
say something.
1185
01:04:17,133 --> 01:04:20,700
So that either we
can find Susan,
1186
01:04:20,734 --> 01:04:24,400
get some more evidence, or
get somewhat of an admission.
1187
01:04:24,433 --> 01:04:27,667
- In an exclusive interview,
we spoke with the actual agent
1188
01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:29,166
who worked the case.
1189
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,400
This officer is still an
active undercover operative,
1190
01:04:32,433 --> 01:04:36,033
so his voice and appearance
have been altered.
1191
01:05:04,367 --> 01:05:10,367
[dramatic music]
1192
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,400
[Ellis] Josh just wasn't
close to anybody else.
1193
01:05:12,433 --> 01:05:15,367
He didn't have any like,
close friends, a best friend.
1194
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,500
And the person closest
to him was Susan
1195
01:05:18,533 --> 01:05:21,567
and then probably the next
person to him was Steve.
1196
01:05:24,166 --> 01:05:27,266
And he knew that Steve had
this infatuation for Susan,
1197
01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:32,000
so if he spoke to anybody and he
shared any details with anybody,
1198
01:05:32,033 --> 01:05:35,166
it was only with Mike Powell,
that's it.
1199
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:36,734
- You see us?
1200
01:06:02,533 --> 01:06:05,200
- This is the actual undercover
police recording
1201
01:06:05,233 --> 01:06:09,367
of Michael Powell contacting
a satellite imagery company
1202
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,033
to obtain pictures of a
salvage yard in Oregon.
1203
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,700
What could this bizarre request
1204
01:06:15,734 --> 01:06:18,767
have to do with
Susan's disappearance?
1205
01:06:55,567 --> 01:06:57,433
[Stephanie] The day after
Susan disappeared,
1206
01:06:57,467 --> 01:07:00,533
Josh's sister Alina and
his brother Michael
1207
01:07:00,567 --> 01:07:04,000
traveled to Utah to be with
Josh and his children.
1208
01:07:04,033 --> 01:07:07,200
Approximately two weeks
later on December 22nd,
1209
01:07:07,233 --> 01:07:10,767
Michael and Alina drove back to
Washington in Michael's car,
1210
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,433
but after driving a little
more than 470 miles,
1211
01:07:14,467 --> 01:07:17,033
they found themselves stranded.
1212
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,700
- Michael took $500 and
just left his vehicle
1213
01:07:39,734 --> 01:07:42,300
when he probably could have
just had it repaired.
1214
01:07:42,333 --> 01:07:44,200
That was very suspicious.
1215
01:07:44,633 --> 01:07:47,500
And I think a lot of us thought
that was our big break,
1216
01:07:47,533 --> 01:07:49,533
this was our break.
1217
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,333
This is where we're going
to get our evidence.
1218
01:07:54,066 --> 01:07:57,166
We took specialized canines
with us to see if the dogs
1219
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:01,100
would hit on any decomposition.
1220
01:08:01,367 --> 01:08:03,567
And when they released
these dogs,
1221
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,667
these dogs went directly to
Michael Powell's vehicle
1222
01:08:06,700 --> 01:08:08,633
and indicated on the trunk.
1223
01:08:18,734 --> 01:08:20,300
- We sent Michael's vehicle,
1224
01:08:20,333 --> 01:08:23,533
we forensically test it,
1225
01:08:23,567 --> 01:08:25,233
and the results come back.
1226
01:08:26,266 --> 01:08:29,100
- I called Ellis and asked
would the police wire me
1227
01:08:29,133 --> 01:08:30,500
and let me go in?
1228
01:08:30,734 --> 01:08:33,000
I'll try to get
Josh to confess.
1229
01:08:34,667 --> 01:08:36,266
- They're walking us
through all this.
1230
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:39,500
Okay, if this happens, we'll
rush in and take care of things.
1231
01:08:44,633 --> 01:08:47,066
It's like walking
into the lion's den.
1232
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,033
[eerie music]
1233
01:08:56,734 --> 01:08:58,767
[Stephanie] After
discovering indications
1234
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,200
of human decomposition in
Michael Powell's truck,
1235
01:09:02,233 --> 01:09:05,033
the West Valley City Police
sent swabs to the
1236
01:09:05,066 --> 01:09:08,233
Utah State Crime Lab
for DNA testing.
1237
01:09:08,266 --> 01:09:11,166
They wanted to know if
Josh murdered Susan,
1238
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,100
then recruited his brother
Michael to help
1239
01:09:14,133 --> 01:09:16,033
relocate her body.
1240
01:09:16,066 --> 01:09:18,066
I wanted to drive the
possible route
1241
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:20,233
surrounding West Valley City.
1242
01:09:20,266 --> 01:09:22,700
Ellis Maxwell, the lead
detective in Susan's
1243
01:09:22,734 --> 01:09:25,533
disappearance agreed
to go with me.
1244
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:28,333
[Ellis] So, yeah this
would be the route that
1245
01:09:28,367 --> 01:09:30,467
Michael would take, right?
1246
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:35,633
So when we learn that Michael's
vehicle was up in Oregon,
1247
01:09:35,667 --> 01:09:38,300
we send it to get
forensically tested.
1248
01:09:38,333 --> 01:09:41,333
They call me, they say, "Hey we
have a DNA profile."
1249
01:09:44,033 --> 01:09:46,500
We're thinking, "Okay
this is our big break."
1250
01:09:46,533 --> 01:09:49,066
Results come back...
1251
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,066
nothing.
1252
01:09:55,066 --> 01:09:57,233
- The West Valley City
Police did find
1253
01:09:57,266 --> 01:10:01,600
DNA in Michael Powell's trunk
and compared it to Susan's DNA,
1254
01:10:01,633 --> 01:10:04,300
however the sample was
insufficient to make
1255
01:10:04,333 --> 01:10:06,667
a complete comparison.
1256
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:09,633
So even though they suspected
Michael Powell's car
1257
01:10:09,667 --> 01:10:12,767
had been used to relocate
Susan's body,
1258
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,066
they didn't have enough
evidence to make an arrest.
1259
01:10:18,133 --> 01:10:21,266
- Looking back, I realize
that Michael was probably
1260
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:24,000
fairly involved in the
whole situation.
1261
01:10:24,033 --> 01:10:27,200
I don't know if he actually
helped him plan it,
1262
01:10:27,233 --> 01:10:30,333
but based on conversations
that I'd had with Michael,
1263
01:10:30,367 --> 01:10:33,300
which were kind of weird,
he seemed to have this over
1264
01:10:33,333 --> 01:10:37,000
inflated sense of loyalty to
family where you would do
1265
01:10:37,033 --> 01:10:41,133
anything to help cover up
like shameful things.
1266
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,667
It seemed like a twisted
weird sense of loyalty.
1267
01:10:46,533 --> 01:10:51,133
- It's very likely that he
could have relocated her body
1268
01:10:51,166 --> 01:10:54,166
knowing now that the police
now are heavily involved.
1269
01:11:05,133 --> 01:11:09,266
- I believe that Josh
probably called him
1270
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:11,433
and asked for help.
1271
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,066
I mean, maybe he knew
about it before,
1272
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:18,600
but at least, at the very least,
he called him afterwards
1273
01:11:18,633 --> 01:11:21,200
to help cover up what
he had done.
1274
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:30,333
[dramatic music]
1275
01:11:30,367 --> 01:11:34,100
I called Ellis and asked him,
would the police support me,
1276
01:11:34,133 --> 01:11:37,066
would they wire me
and let go in
1277
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:42,266
and I'll try to get Josh,
my dad, or Michael to confess.
1278
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,166
[Ellis] Jennifer Graves was
kind of on the outskirts
1279
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,033
with the family and
had been for time.
1280
01:11:48,066 --> 01:11:52,433
She says, "What do you think
about sending me in to
1281
01:11:52,467 --> 01:11:56,633
Steven Powell's home wired, kind
of like what they do on TV,"
1282
01:11:56,667 --> 01:11:59,233
and I thought to myself,
"You're crazy."
1283
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,100
[Kirk] Jen had been talking
about this with me,
1284
01:12:03,133 --> 01:12:05,600
this idea of putting on a wire.
1285
01:12:05,633 --> 01:12:07,300
My wife's kind of gutsy,
1286
01:12:07,333 --> 01:12:10,567
and when she finally gets an
idea in her head,
1287
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,333
she doesn't let go of it.
1288
01:12:15,433 --> 01:12:17,467
[Stephanie] What you're about
to hear is the actual
1289
01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:21,200
audio recording from the
undercover police operation
1290
01:12:21,233 --> 01:12:24,300
played publicly
for the first time.
1291
01:12:30,066 --> 01:12:32,667
- Jennifer Graves' goal was
to try to get Josh
1292
01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:35,200
separated from the
rest of the family
1293
01:12:35,233 --> 01:12:38,600
to where she could
basically call him out
1294
01:12:38,633 --> 01:12:40,233
and say, "What did you
do with Susan?
1295
01:12:40,266 --> 01:12:41,600
Where is Susan?"
1296
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:44,400
[Kirk] We're at the
Tacoma Police Department
1297
01:12:44,433 --> 01:12:46,533
and they're walking us
through all this,
1298
01:12:46,567 --> 01:12:47,667
"Okay, now if this happens,
1299
01:12:47,700 --> 01:12:49,500
we'll rush in and take care
of things."
1300
01:12:51,133 --> 01:12:55,333
- I knew my dad had an extremely
volatile temper.
1301
01:12:56,166 --> 01:12:58,233
I was pretty sure that Josh
had done something to Susan
1302
01:12:58,266 --> 01:13:00,233
and that probably my dad
knew what it was
1303
01:13:00,266 --> 01:13:03,100
or even participated
and helped with it.
1304
01:13:04,166 --> 01:13:06,633
It was extremely nerve racking
walking up to that door.
1305
01:13:07,533 --> 01:13:10,600
I really had no idea what
was going to happen.
1306
01:13:10,633 --> 01:13:13,000
It's like walking
into the lion's den.
1307
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,633
My dad actually ended up
inviting us in.
1308
01:13:22,667 --> 01:13:24,367
We had dinner with them.
1309
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,133
The police were all,
just waiting.
1310
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,133
- We waited in a vehicle
about a street away.
1311
01:13:48,166 --> 01:13:50,600
We were close enough we
could pick up the signal,
1312
01:13:50,633 --> 01:13:53,567
but we had enough distance that
if they were to come outside
1313
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,166
that they wouldn't see us.
1314
01:14:08,033 --> 01:14:11,166
- Finally, after dinner,
and they're starting to
1315
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:15,000
clean up and everything,
I just signaled to my husband,
1316
01:14:15,033 --> 01:14:18,000
I just pulled Josh off into
a different room.
1317
01:14:18,433 --> 01:14:20,200
Unfortunately,
everybody could see.
1318
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:38,000
- Jennifer manages to get
Josh into a study room
1319
01:14:38,033 --> 01:14:39,233
and kind of corner him,
1320
01:14:39,266 --> 01:14:41,200
just like she
said she would.
1321
01:14:47,233 --> 01:14:50,100
- I'm a little nervous
because, at this point,
1322
01:14:50,133 --> 01:14:52,467
I'm fully on board with the
idea that Josh has killed
1323
01:14:52,500 --> 01:14:56,333
his wife, and how's he going to
treat his sister any different?
1324
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,200
- I just started trying to
get him to say something.
1325
01:15:21,233 --> 01:15:24,600
And then my dad came in
and interrupted it,
1326
01:15:24,633 --> 01:15:27,567
and that kind of just
ended the conversation.
1327
01:15:32,233 --> 01:15:34,333
- We went back into the
family room area,
1328
01:15:34,367 --> 01:15:37,333
and I haven't gotten
what I wanted.
1329
01:15:37,367 --> 01:15:39,600
I was...
1330
01:15:39,633 --> 01:15:42,734
feeling really quite desperate
1331
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,500
and they're gettin' ready to go.
1332
01:15:44,533 --> 01:15:45,266
I gotta do something.
1333
01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:47,066
I gotta do something.
1334
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:51,333
So I push Josh and was like,
1335
01:15:51,367 --> 01:15:54,567
"Tell me where her body is,
just tell me where her body is."
1336
01:15:59,233 --> 01:16:05,333
[dramatic music]
1337
01:16:05,367 --> 01:16:07,467
- Two months after
Susan's disappearance,
1338
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:10,200
her family was desperate
for answers
1339
01:16:10,233 --> 01:16:12,367
which is when her sister-in-law
Jennifer Graves
1340
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,266
offered to wear a wire.
1341
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:18,367
Is it possible that Josh would
confess to his own sister
1342
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,467
that he murdered his wife?
1343
01:16:21,033 --> 01:16:25,567
[Jennifer] I was feeling
really quite desperate.
1344
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,233
I pushed Josh.
1345
01:16:27,266 --> 01:16:28,700
I know you've done
something to her
1346
01:16:28,734 --> 01:16:30,700
and we just want to
have a regular burial
1347
01:16:30,734 --> 01:16:31,734
and just be done with this,
1348
01:16:31,767 --> 01:16:33,500
so just tell me where
her body is.
1349
01:16:47,300 --> 01:16:50,567
- I'm nervous, I-
my heart's beating.
1350
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,667
What kind of information
are we gonna get?
1351
01:16:52,700 --> 01:16:54,200
What's he gonna say?
1352
01:16:54,233 --> 01:16:56,734
If he confesses,
what's our next move?
1353
01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:13,500
- He just immediately
becomes defensive
1354
01:17:13,533 --> 01:17:17,000
and he starts reverting
back to his attorney.
1355
01:17:17,033 --> 01:17:19,667
Saying that his attorney told
him not to talk to anybody,
1356
01:17:19,700 --> 01:17:22,200
so he's kind of almost talking
to her like he's talking
1357
01:17:22,233 --> 01:17:24,000
to the police.
1358
01:17:24,033 --> 01:17:27,767
And I just was shaking my head,
I'm like this guy's pathetic.
1359
01:17:42,567 --> 01:17:46,533
- Josh comes storming back in
and tells his dad,
1360
01:17:46,567 --> 01:17:49,467
"Jen's here to try
and get me to confess."
1361
01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:52,133
And he's going on and on
and so Steve, of course,
1362
01:17:52,166 --> 01:17:54,567
gets very abrasive.
1363
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,333
Jen's still trying,
she hasn't given up yet.
1364
01:18:16,300 --> 01:18:18,300
[Jennifer] Josh ended up
leaving.
1365
01:18:18,333 --> 01:18:22,433
And, we're awkwardly staring
at my dad,
1366
01:18:22,467 --> 01:18:25,033
and I'm like, "Well, I got
one more shot."
1367
01:18:27,066 --> 01:18:29,433
Let's see if I can get
anything out of my dad.
1368
01:18:40,633 --> 01:18:43,700
Well, that- that didn't
really go...
1369
01:18:43,734 --> 01:18:44,734
super well.
1370
01:18:52,266 --> 01:18:53,500
- I'm thinking,
this might work.
1371
01:18:53,533 --> 01:18:56,500
If we piss him off enough,
maybe they'll both snap.
1372
01:19:13,633 --> 01:19:17,066
- He becomes very upset
and he starts yelling
1373
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:18,734
at Jennifer and her husband.
1374
01:19:18,767 --> 01:19:22,734
Steven's calling her names,
degrading her.
1375
01:19:51,667 --> 01:19:54,000
- He doesn't want us to leave
cause that would give up
1376
01:19:54,033 --> 01:19:56,500
his opportunity to scream
and yell some more.
1377
01:20:01,500 --> 01:20:05,433
- My sister was jumping
right onto the bandwagon
1378
01:20:05,467 --> 01:20:08,066
talking about how terrible
Susan was anyways
1379
01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:11,000
and who cares if she's gone
kind of thing.
1380
01:20:36,467 --> 01:20:42,734
[dramatic music]
1381
01:20:54,266 --> 01:20:56,500
- Steven's calling her names,
1382
01:20:56,533 --> 01:21:00,100
degrading her as
she's walking away.
1383
01:21:00,133 --> 01:21:02,734
She eventually leaves
the residence.
1384
01:21:07,166 --> 01:21:08,533
- I just cried...
1385
01:21:08,567 --> 01:21:10,734
cause I didn't get
what I wanted.
1386
01:21:11,667 --> 01:21:14,533
I didn't get the confession
that I knew was there.
1387
01:21:17,767 --> 01:21:21,133
- I think ya know all of us
believed Josh would slip up
1388
01:21:21,166 --> 01:21:25,066
and say something to Jennifer
but unfortunately,
1389
01:21:25,100 --> 01:21:27,700
we didn't get anything
out of it.
1390
01:21:34,633 --> 01:21:36,400
[Stephanie] From the beginning,
we set out to tell
1391
01:21:36,433 --> 01:21:38,600
Susan's complete story,
1392
01:21:38,633 --> 01:21:41,367
the victim of an
abusive husband.
1393
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:46,133
Domestic violence is the leading
cause of injury to women;
1394
01:21:46,166 --> 01:21:47,734
more than car accidents,
1395
01:21:47,767 --> 01:21:50,567
muggings, and rapes combined.
1396
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,533
We thought we would be telling
the story of domestic abuse
1397
01:21:54,567 --> 01:21:58,033
resulting in tragedy,
but as we dug deeper,
1398
01:21:58,066 --> 01:22:00,700
we found a completely
new revelation
1399
01:22:00,734 --> 01:22:03,066
that the media frenzy missed.
1400
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,667
We started with the mission to
uncover who could have been
1401
01:22:06,700 --> 01:22:09,133
responsible for
Susan's disappearance,
1402
01:22:09,166 --> 01:22:12,333
but the why proved
much more intriguing.
1403
01:22:13,033 --> 01:22:15,567
- We need to start asking
a different question
1404
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,000
and it's, "Why would someone
hurt his loved one?"
1405
01:22:18,033 --> 01:22:21,000
"Why would someone use power
and control against
1406
01:22:21,033 --> 01:22:22,700
their partner, their spouse?"
1407
01:22:22,734 --> 01:22:24,700
I've done this work
for a number of years
1408
01:22:24,734 --> 01:22:27,400
and I don't know too many people
who just, out of the blue,
1409
01:22:27,433 --> 01:22:28,734
start hurting someone.
1410
01:22:28,767 --> 01:22:32,367
This usually comes from a
history of learned behavior
1411
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:33,633
or exposure.
1412
01:22:33,667 --> 01:22:35,633
- There, I'm in here too.
1413
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:41,133
- Josh seemed to be very much
under Steven Powell's thumb.
1414
01:22:41,166 --> 01:22:43,500
He never confronted him,
never did what most people
1415
01:22:43,533 --> 01:22:46,734
would do which is be
disgusted and angered
1416
01:22:46,767 --> 01:22:49,266
by his father acting this way.
1417
01:22:49,300 --> 01:22:51,133
[Steve] Move your hand,
move the box.
1418
01:22:51,166 --> 01:22:52,266
[Susan] No.
1419
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:54,200
- He had control over Josh.
1420
01:22:54,233 --> 01:22:57,166
- The real question is,
"Could Steve Powell
1421
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:00,600
"be the mastermind behind
Susan's disappearance
1422
01:23:00,633 --> 01:23:03,633
even though he didn't
physically kill her?"
1423
01:23:04,300 --> 01:23:08,667
There's one person who may
be able to provide answers.
1424
01:23:11,667 --> 01:23:13,767
- Okay, here we are.
1425
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,734
Am I in there at all?
- Yes.
1426
01:23:15,767 --> 01:23:19,166
- We've obtained a bombshell
interview with Alina Powell,
1427
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,400
the last member of the
Powell family
1428
01:23:21,433 --> 01:23:23,133
who holds all the secrets.
1429
01:23:23,533 --> 01:23:27,667
She's never revealed her
side of the story until now.
1430
01:23:28,266 --> 01:23:30,433
- I don't know, I don't want to
answer any other questions,
1431
01:23:30,467 --> 01:23:31,567
thank you.
1432
01:23:33,066 --> 01:23:34,767
- Alina Powell, Josh's sister,
is someone has been
1433
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:36,433
very interesting in the case.
1434
01:23:36,467 --> 01:23:39,633
Depending on who you ask, some
people view her as an enabler,
1435
01:23:39,667 --> 01:23:42,600
a possible accomplice,
and that could be.
1436
01:23:43,166 --> 01:23:46,000
But I also saw her as someone
who is very intelligence, who
1437
01:23:46,033 --> 01:23:48,233
was in a horrible situation.
1438
01:23:48,266 --> 01:23:49,633
- Turn that off.
1439
01:23:49,667 --> 01:23:51,533
[Elizabeth] Who, in her own way,
may have been trying to do
1440
01:23:51,567 --> 01:23:53,333
what she thought was best.
1441
01:23:53,367 --> 01:23:55,567
The sad thing of course is if
she had information about the
1442
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,467
case and didn't come forward,
that could have been helpful.
1443
01:23:58,500 --> 01:24:02,700
- Alina Powell's account
challenges what we've been told
1444
01:24:02,734 --> 01:24:05,533
about Susan Cox Powell's
disappearance
1445
01:24:05,567 --> 01:24:08,700
and brings everything
into question.
1446
01:24:10,433 --> 01:24:12,667
[dramatic music]
1447
01:24:12,700 --> 01:24:14,300
You doing okay?
1448
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,400
[Stephanie] Have the
detectives wanted to
1449
01:24:17,433 --> 01:24:19,000
talk to you in Utah at all?
1450
01:24:19,033 --> 01:24:21,000
- It was like they didn't
really care what I had to say
1451
01:24:21,033 --> 01:24:25,000
if it wasn't,
"Yeah, I believe x, y, and z,
1452
01:24:25,033 --> 01:24:26,400
you guys are right"
kind of a thing.
1453
01:24:26,433 --> 01:24:27,533
[Stephanie] Yeah.
1454
01:24:27,567 --> 01:24:32,600
[dramatic music]
1455
01:24:32,633 --> 01:24:37,000
- You know, there is a side
to Susan that the
1456
01:24:37,033 --> 01:24:39,033
other side doesn't
want you to see,
1457
01:24:39,066 --> 01:24:40,767
doesn't want to expose.
1458
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,500
[Susan] [giggling]
1459
01:24:43,533 --> 01:24:44,567
Stop it.
1460
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,734
[laughing]
1461
01:24:46,767 --> 01:24:48,433
Your dad zoomed in.
1462
01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:52,500
- She was bothered by how much
her family wanted her
1463
01:24:52,533 --> 01:24:53,700
to be something else,
1464
01:24:53,734 --> 01:24:56,633
and how she felt like
she couldn't be herself.
1465
01:24:56,667 --> 01:24:59,100
[Steve] Are you
vandalizing?
1466
01:24:59,133 --> 01:25:00,567
- It's a thigh exercise.
1467
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,133
[Steve] Thigh exercise, oh?
1468
01:25:02,166 --> 01:25:05,033
- I saw her behaving these ways.
1469
01:25:05,066 --> 01:25:07,033
She was playing a game with
him and getting into
1470
01:25:07,066 --> 01:25:08,667
dangerous territory.
1471
01:25:08,700 --> 01:25:11,433
[Susan] No hair, woo hoo!
1472
01:25:11,467 --> 01:25:14,467
Do me a favor, when Josh gets
home show him this, okay?
1473
01:25:14,500 --> 01:25:15,500
[Steve] Alright, okay.
1474
01:25:15,533 --> 01:25:17,000
- I don't think
she was oblivious,
1475
01:25:17,033 --> 01:25:19,100
I think she was fully aware
of what she was doing.
1476
01:25:21,133 --> 01:25:22,767
[Stephanie] For the
first time ever,
1477
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,734
we've pieced together
the entire puzzle.
1478
01:25:27,333 --> 01:25:29,767
[Chris] Where is she and
who really could potentially
1479
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,166
have killed her?
1480
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,066
Police say you're a
person of interest, Josh.
1481
01:25:33,100 --> 01:25:34,367
Do you have anything to say?
1482
01:25:35,734 --> 01:25:38,333
There was more to every
character in this story.
1483
01:25:39,367 --> 01:25:42,066
[Alina] We saw glimpses of
Susan that nobody
1484
01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:44,533
on the other side of
this would have seen.
1485
01:25:44,567 --> 01:25:47,066
[Reporter] The Powell's launched
a strategy of their own.
1486
01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:49,333
Attacking of all people,
Susan.
1487
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,400
- A classic method used
by an abuser.
1488
01:25:53,433 --> 01:25:57,200
- Susan who was a very
flirtatious sexual being.
1489
01:25:57,233 --> 01:25:59,133
[Rose] It's victim blaming.
1490
01:25:59,166 --> 01:26:01,300
[Gary] Josh and Steven were
trying to defend themselves
1491
01:26:01,333 --> 01:26:04,000
so they're like we've
got Susan's journal,
1492
01:26:04,033 --> 01:26:05,533
this will prove our innocence.
1493
01:26:05,567 --> 01:26:07,066
[car honking]
[woman] Thank you.
1494
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:09,133
- We've got a lot of
information about Susan,
1495
01:26:09,166 --> 01:26:11,166
a lot of it from her journals.
1496
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,333
- They used the journals to
come busting in the house.
1497
01:26:15,133 --> 01:26:17,767
- We were all in awe of
the house of horrors
1498
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,066
we were looking at.
1499
01:26:19,100 --> 01:26:20,734
- I thought they were
gonna arrest Josh
1500
01:26:20,767 --> 01:26:22,433
and it turned out to be Steve.
1501
01:26:25,767 --> 01:26:27,433
- I said, "Hey Josh,
I'm also taking your kids
1502
01:26:27,467 --> 01:26:29,000
into protective custody."
1503
01:26:29,033 --> 01:26:30,033
[Chuck] I'm afraid for
the children.
1504
01:26:30,066 --> 01:26:31,200
I don't want them to
go visit him.
1505
01:26:31,233 --> 01:26:33,700
- We told the police
he was gonna try...
1506
01:26:33,734 --> 01:26:35,000
something.
1507
01:26:40,266 --> 01:26:43,266
- Let's call it what it is,
it is something evil.
1508
01:26:43,300 --> 01:26:46,233
[Anne] Everybody was waiting
for Steven to crack.
1509
01:26:46,266 --> 01:26:48,467
- Buried deep within the
boxes of video tapes
1510
01:26:48,500 --> 01:26:50,367
made by Steve Powell,
1511
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:54,433
we found a secret recording
that may be the final clue.
1512
01:26:59,567 --> 01:27:01,100
- Is Susan's father-in-law
1513
01:27:01,133 --> 01:27:04,300
the mastermind behind her
disappearance?
1514
01:27:09,433 --> 01:27:12,433
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