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Tonight on "Fact or Faked:
Paranormal Files"...
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- I've never seen anything like that before.
- Right!
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Oh, my goodness.Isn't that amazing?
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Is there anybody here with me?
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- Oh, my God!
- - Whoa!
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Oh, my gosh.
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Wow! Did you see that?
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There it is.
It is moving.
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What I have for you
is the real Battle of L.A.
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Stand by!
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Whoa!
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Oh, my goodness!
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There's a flying saucer.
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I'm getting a series of lights
right there.
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Are you seeing what I am seeing?
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What the heck is happening?
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Sync by Jabbberwock
www.addic7ed.com
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- Hey, guys.
- Hello.
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You guys all remember Devin?
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- Hi, Devin.
- Our new team member and tech expert.
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How's it going?
Why don't we start off?
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- Austin, want to kick us off?
- All right, guys.
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Who's ready for a little bit
of poltergeist in their life?
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Nice.
Oh, those are awesome.
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Coming from the land down under,
Annandale, Australia.
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Glenn Smith, October 17, 2010,
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captures
this poltergeist activity
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actually
on his girlfriend's cellphone.
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- Oh, my God!
- - Whoa!
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Oh, my gosh.
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Oh, my God.
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Watch the bookshelf.
Okay.
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Oh, my God!
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Wow.
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The first thing
I noticed about this
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is that they sound
genuinely freaked out.
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They're so scared.
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I just felt like that was
a pretty natural reaction.
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Oh, my God!
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Really quick, let me sort of
point out something.
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To this side
of the refrigerator...
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...It's like these cabinets
keep going,
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so somebody
could actually be there
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maybe even with a fishing line.
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Oh, my God!
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It definitely meets
that criteria.
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We do have the witnesses,
great footage,
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and it's definitely testable.
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I do like the video,
the witnesses.
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I'm not quite so sold
as some of you
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to the reactions of the people,
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but why don't we see what else we
have and maybe come back to it?
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Okay.
Agreed, totally.
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Okay? Chi-Lan,
what do you have for us?
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I have
a really great video, guys,
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and it is
the most phenomenal video
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I've seen in a long time.
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I can see the hole now.
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A family was vacationing
in Napa Valley
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outside of Lake Barryessa,
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and they come upon
this amazing vortex.
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Oh, my goodness.Isn't that amazing?
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Wow!
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Doesn't that look like
it has to be from a movie?
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I've never seen anything
like that before. Right!
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Neither have I.
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And I've been to Lake Barryessa,
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and I've never seen this.
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Imagine taking a boat on water
when this is happening.
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To me, it almost looks like
there's a structure,
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you know, underneath the water.
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You guys, I've actually seen
this video before,
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and there is
a natural explanation.
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This Lake Barryessa
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has one of the largest spillways
in the world.
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It's actually a giant cement
drain that prevents flooding.
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Ah. So when the reservoir gets
too high, the spillway opens up,
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the water goes down,
and that prevents flooding.
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Well, I liked it, though.
It was an awesome video.
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Now, guys, what I have for you
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is one of the most historic
UFO cases there ever was.
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This is
the real Battle of L.A.
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So, picture this...
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February 25, 1942.
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This was
just a little over two months
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since the attack on Pearl Harbor
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and five full years
before Roswell in '47.
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In the middle of the night
in Los Angeles,
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all of the sudden,
the military gets a radar return
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on an inbound aircraft
like 120 miles offshore.
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They think they're under attack.
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So, just after 3:00 A.M.,
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witnesses start hearing
anti-aircraft shelling.
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And the whole scene goes chaotic.
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This is the photo that was taken
by the L.A. Times
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that appeared on February 26th.
Wow.
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Where the spotlights
are converging,
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it looks like
a saucer-shaped craft.
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Well, you know,
a lot of skeptics say
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that that's just
an optical illusion
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from all of the convergence
of the spotlights in one spot.
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It looks like an artifact.
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Isn't this the same photograph
that was used
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for public relations
for "Battle: Los Angeles,"
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a movie that just came out?
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Right. This movie was inspired
by this event,
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and it's about an alien invasion.
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These little lights here...
anti-aircraft fire.
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Over 1,440 rounds
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were fired
at something in the sky.
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- What?
- Geez.
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- What was it?
- The air force
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released that it was just
a weather balloon
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like years later
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in the '80s. I wouldn't say
it's another weather balloon.
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I mean, that sounds like
Roswell all over again. Right.
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What were they trying to hide?
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That's the question.
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Think about all the ways
we could test this.
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I mean, you've got
artillery fire...
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Searchlights...
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Machine guns.
...Machine guns.
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Well, guys, it sounds like
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we're all really excited
about this case,
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so why don't we see
what else we have today
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and come back to this one?
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'Cause I think it's way up there.
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Okay.
Bill?
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I have a rare piece of evidence.
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An apparition recorded in 2008
aboard the Queen Mary,
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which is docked
in Long Beach, California.
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The videographer recorded this
by accident.
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His name is Ryan Caudill.
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This is a camera
that was just set down,
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and he didn't know
it was recording,
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and it's pointed down a hallway
on the promenade deck.
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Oh!
Oh! Oh!
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Wow.
Yeah.
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That's like a shadow figure,
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but instead of it just being shadows,
it's actually white. That's a ghost.
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I mean, I shot a documentary
about the haunted Queen Mary,
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and this is still
the best piece of evidence
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that I've ever seen.
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I really like this case.
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It does have a lot of things
we could test.
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Today we looked
at a lot of cases.
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So, what do you say?
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I think the evidence we have
for the Queen Mary case
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is very strong, and we have
an available witness.
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I agree.
It meets our criteria.
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It's definitely testable.
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If you go to Queen Mary,I'm with you.
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If we're going off popularity,
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Battle of Los Angeles is huge.
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I'll trade my video
for some guns.
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All right. You want in on this
machine-gun action with me?
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I want in
on the Battle of L.A.
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Okay, Devin.
Yes, please.
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Let's definitely lock in
Battle of L.A., then,
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and, Jael, you want to come?
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Absolutely.
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All right.
And you guys...
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We're locking in
Queen Mary right here.
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Queen Mary.And the room is divided.
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Queen Mary it is.
Guys, this is awesome.
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We've got two cases,
both in Southern California.
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That's a first.
It is.
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It is a first.
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Well, let's get packing.
Yeah, let's do it.
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So, guys, here we are in
Los Angeles, the City of Angels,
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the entertainment capital
of the world,
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and the site
of our next investigation.
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Now, this case has inspired
articles, books, even movies
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and is still a mystery
after 70 years.
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If you guys look
at the photo that was taken,
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you've got eight searchlights
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trained on one mysterious object
in the sky...
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And then you've got
artillery fire
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exploding up all around it.
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It makes you wonder
if this really was a UFO
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or if the government was trying
to cover something up.
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Well, for a lot
of UFO researchers,
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this case represents the ground 0,
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and it happened five years
before Roswell.
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First, we need to check out
the site
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where one of the original
gun batteries still exists...
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Fort MacArthur.
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We'll talk to Stephen Nelson,
the fort museum's curator,
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and we'll see if we can get
a little bit of insight.
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So, here we are
at Fort MacArthur.
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Guys, check out all this
cool artillery. Wow.
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Wow. Look at that.
Look at the size of that cannon.
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Hey, are you Steve?
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I'm Steve.
Ben.
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Nice to meet you, Ben.
Nice to meet you.
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This is Devin and Jael.
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Hi.
Hi, there.
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This is Marty Morgan,
our World War II expert.
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Wow. Pleased to meet you.
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Thank you so much
for having us here today.
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So, we're talking about
February 25, 1942.
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We have 1,400 rounds of artillery
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shooting over
a major populated city.
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- What's going on?
- This was a group of soldiers
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on the ground
that were looking at a sky
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that had been told, "The enemy will
be in your air space tonight."
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At 2:43 A.M.,
they have radar contact
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with unidentified aircraft.
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At 3:06 A.M.,
the guns open fire.
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The next thing you know,
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over 1,000 rounds get put
in the sky over L.A.
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In fact, let me show you
the projectiles.
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You're talking this size shell
right here.
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Yeah, feel that.
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You got 28 pounds
of 3-inch shell right there.
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90% of the rounds that were put
in the sky that night
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were .50-caliber
machine-gun cartridges,
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so that's what's in here.
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So, what do you guys think
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was in the sky
the night of the Battle of L.A.?
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There isn't one story
for the evening.
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We know for sure
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that a meteorological balloon
was launched.
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Well, what boggles me
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is that they have
all these searchlights
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on this so-called object,
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and nobody can tell you
what it was.
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Is this one of
the arc lights that was used?
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This is the same type of light
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that would have
been used that night.
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So, if it was
a balloon in the sky,
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what, approximately,
do you think the altitude was
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of this object?
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Well, from
the famous photograph
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of the Battle of Los Angeles,
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the object looks like it's about
2,000 feet in the air.
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Okay.
So, we have an object,
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maybe a balloon,
at 2,000 feet in the air,
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and you have a .50-caliber
bullet that's firing at it.
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Why didn't they hit it?
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It's just a balloon, right?
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I don't know that I have
an answer for you.
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So, now that we've seen one
of the actual gun batteries,
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it's time to start running
some tests
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and see
if we can replicate the photo.
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I think in the desert,
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we have plenty of room
to do our test.
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So, our first test
is the artifact test.
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An artifact is actually
an optical illusion.
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Some people theorize that
in this particular photo,
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what was happening is these
searchlights are combining
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to create what looks like
a solid object in the sky
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when there really wasn't one.
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It will be really cool
once we get our lights up
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to see if we can create
that same-looking solid object
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when there's really no object
at all.
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And we want to do
2,000 feet in altitude.
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We can set up our lights
in a half circle 2,000 feet out.
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If we angle our beams properly,
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I think we're gonna be able to
converge right above this point.
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We need to get
the lights out and set
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before it gets dark.
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Let's go.
Great.
264
00:11:40,054 --> 00:11:43,490
Now, guys, these babies
are the latest
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in portable searchlight
technology.
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They have the same color
temperature and luminosity
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as our World War II carbon arcs,
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except for, obviously,
they're a lot smaller.
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Compact.
Exactly.
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This is so much better
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because at least
the two of you can handle that.
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All right, guys,
got that one in place.
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Let's move on to the next one.
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So, for this test,
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we set up eight searchlights
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which are the same color
and luminosity
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as what was used in 1942.
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We're going to see
if we can actually create
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an artifact of a solid object,
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which could explain
what was seen in the photo.
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The original camera
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used for the photograph
in the Battle of L.A.
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Was a Graflex speed graphic.
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This is
the modern-day equivalent.
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What we've done is attached
a self-developing film pack
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to the back of it,
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which can develop a 4"x5" print
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within 60 seconds.
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All right, Jael,
I'm in position.
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Okay, we're set when you are.
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And 3...
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2...
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1.
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Illuminate artifact!
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So, our first test
is the artifact test.
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We're in the middle
of the desert.
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We've set up eight searchlights.
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We're going to see
if we can actually create
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an artifact of a solid object,
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which could explain
what was seen in the 1942 photo.
301
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And 3...
302
00:13:27,613 --> 00:13:29,314
2...
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00:13:29,382 --> 00:13:31,550
1.
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Illuminate artifact!
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00:13:36,556 --> 00:13:39,424
Oh, wow!
306
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- Okay.
- Hey, guys.
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00:13:48,568 --> 00:13:50,302
Hey, guys.
Wow, look at that.
308
00:13:50,369 --> 00:13:52,537
Yeah, it looks pretty cool, huh?
309
00:13:52,605 --> 00:13:56,074
It looks like a giant bouquet of
lightsabers. It looks pretty good.
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00:13:56,142 --> 00:13:57,709
Tell me you got a really
good shot of this. Yes.
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Get an artifact?
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00:14:03,816 --> 00:14:05,984
Wow.
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00:14:06,052 --> 00:14:08,186
That is definitely brighter
in the center.
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However, it's really nothing
315
00:14:12,258 --> 00:14:14,359
quite like that almost
disk-like shape we're seeing
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in the '42 photograph.
317
00:14:19,565 --> 00:14:22,300
And an obvious thing is the beams
318
00:14:22,368 --> 00:14:24,669
are going right through
our artifact and continuing on.
319
00:14:27,106 --> 00:14:28,874
Maybe it's because of the flak.
320
00:14:28,941 --> 00:14:31,877
Yeah. There's all kinds of flak
in the sky,
321
00:14:31,944 --> 00:14:34,746
anti-aircraft shells detonating
around the convergence point.
322
00:14:34,814 --> 00:14:37,883
Maybe that's why the beams in
the original photo are stopping.
323
00:14:39,452 --> 00:14:43,054
I would love to shoot
some anti-aircraft artillery,
324
00:14:43,122 --> 00:14:45,090
but, of course,
Ff.A.A. won't allow that.
325
00:14:45,157 --> 00:14:47,359
So, let's reduce the scale,
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00:14:47,426 --> 00:14:48,894
which means
to keep the same angles,
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00:14:48,961 --> 00:14:50,996
we're gonna have to move
the lights all in, as well.
328
00:14:51,063 --> 00:14:52,397
Okay. So, we'll bring
everything in closer,
329
00:14:52,465 --> 00:14:55,000
moving our artifact lower,
and then we shoot it.
330
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And then we have a war from 1942.
331
00:14:57,136 --> 00:14:58,136
You guys ready?
332
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If we're gonna match
the original photograph,
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00:15:05,611 --> 00:15:07,345
we need to add smoke in the sky
334
00:15:07,413 --> 00:15:08,780
to simulate
the anti-aircraft shells
335
00:15:08,848 --> 00:15:10,682
detonating
around the convergence point.
336
00:15:12,585 --> 00:15:15,186
We're moving all the searchlights
in a little bit closer.
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00:15:15,254 --> 00:15:17,822
We're bringing
our convergence point down,
338
00:15:17,890 --> 00:15:19,591
so that way we can meet
F.A.A. restrictions
339
00:15:19,659 --> 00:15:21,593
and actually fire our own flak
into the sky
340
00:15:21,661 --> 00:15:23,895
and create a wall of smoke.
341
00:15:23,963 --> 00:15:27,666
All right, Jael,
all the lights are in place.
342
00:15:27,733 --> 00:15:29,000
Yes, I see that.
343
00:15:29,068 --> 00:15:30,969
And you guys are ready to go
with your big guns.
344
00:15:32,204 --> 00:15:35,206
We've got this grenade launcher.
345
00:15:39,579 --> 00:15:41,313
And we have a shotgun.
We're shooting bird bombs.
346
00:15:44,317 --> 00:15:46,151
So, this is gonna put
that smoke up in the sky.
347
00:15:46,218 --> 00:15:48,553
It'll give us a more defined
artifact in the middle.
348
00:15:48,621 --> 00:15:49,421
All right.
Good luck, guys.
349
00:16:00,499 --> 00:16:01,866
Standing by!
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00:16:01,934 --> 00:16:03,301
And 3...
351
00:16:06,906 --> 00:16:08,039
...2...
352
00:16:09,442 --> 00:16:12,477
...1.
353
00:16:12,545 --> 00:16:14,112
- Open fire!
- Firing!
354
00:16:30,396 --> 00:16:31,896
Cease fire.
355
00:16:31,964 --> 00:16:33,064
Cease fire.
356
00:16:33,132 --> 00:16:34,532
Whoo!
357
00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,835
Let's see.
358
00:16:40,106 --> 00:16:44,509
It captured every single
one of those explosions.
359
00:16:44,577 --> 00:16:46,711
But we do still have that problem
360
00:16:46,779 --> 00:16:50,248
where the beams of light
are passing through the point.
361
00:16:52,518 --> 00:16:54,719
You're right.
The lights pass right through.
362
00:16:54,787 --> 00:16:58,423
Guys, as you know, in 1983,
the air force's explanation
363
00:16:58,491 --> 00:17:00,225
was that
this was a weather balloon.
364
00:17:00,292 --> 00:17:01,726
We need to put this to the test
365
00:17:01,794 --> 00:17:04,562
to see if it's even possible
such an object would make,
366
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:06,498
you know, an artifact
like we're seeing here.
367
00:17:06,565 --> 00:17:09,801
A weather balloon could
potentially stop those beams
368
00:17:09,869 --> 00:17:11,302
right at the convergence point
369
00:17:11,370 --> 00:17:13,071
rather than having them
push through.
370
00:17:13,139 --> 00:17:15,473
That on top of some smoke
in the sky.
371
00:17:15,541 --> 00:17:17,242
We need more war.
372
00:17:17,309 --> 00:17:18,276
Yes, next test.
373
00:17:25,751 --> 00:17:28,119
So, we have
a latex rubber balloon
374
00:17:28,187 --> 00:17:29,521
which is made
of the same materials
375
00:17:29,588 --> 00:17:31,423
and the same type
of weather balloon
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00:17:31,490 --> 00:17:33,224
that they would have had in 1942.
377
00:17:33,292 --> 00:17:36,861
We have a spindle of 200 feet
of parachute wire.
378
00:17:36,929 --> 00:17:38,630
We attach the weather balloon,
379
00:17:38,698 --> 00:17:41,900
we slowly let it out,
380
00:17:41,967 --> 00:17:44,335
and then we shoot
around the balloon.
381
00:17:44,403 --> 00:17:46,371
We're gonna see
what it looks like.
382
00:17:51,711 --> 00:17:54,946
All right, Jael, we are loaded,
and we are ready!
383
00:17:55,014 --> 00:17:56,114
Roger that.
384
00:17:56,182 --> 00:17:57,816
I'm gonna count you down.
385
00:17:57,883 --> 00:17:58,850
And 3...
386
00:18:00,619 --> 00:18:02,620
...2...
387
00:18:02,688 --> 00:18:05,190
1.
388
00:18:05,257 --> 00:18:06,758
Fire!
389
00:18:16,878 --> 00:18:19,747
So, we have
a latex rubber balloon
390
00:18:19,814 --> 00:18:20,948
which is made
of the same materials
391
00:18:21,016 --> 00:18:22,650
that they would have had in 1942.
392
00:18:23,786 --> 00:18:26,054
We slowly let it out,
393
00:18:26,121 --> 00:18:27,855
and then we shoot
around the balloon,
394
00:18:27,923 --> 00:18:30,325
and we're gonna see
what it looks like.
395
00:18:30,392 --> 00:18:31,793
And 3...
396
00:18:33,562 --> 00:18:35,563
...2...
397
00:18:35,631 --> 00:18:38,132
1.
398
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:39,400
Fire!
399
00:18:49,478 --> 00:18:52,013
- Whoo!
- Yeah!
400
00:18:52,081 --> 00:18:54,182
That was great!
401
00:18:54,249 --> 00:18:58,653
The weather balloon
is just completely glowing.
402
00:18:58,721 --> 00:19:01,956
Yeah. You know what else
I love about this, guys?
403
00:19:02,024 --> 00:19:03,758
The smoke and the balloon...
404
00:19:03,826 --> 00:19:06,461
It seems to actually have
stopped some of those beams
405
00:19:06,528 --> 00:19:07,495
from going through.
406
00:19:07,563 --> 00:19:10,331
There are a faint couple
407
00:19:10,399 --> 00:19:13,067
that are still pushing through
there, but it's better.
408
00:19:13,135 --> 00:19:16,037
The question is
409
00:19:16,105 --> 00:19:18,673
how did these guys
not get this thing down
410
00:19:18,741 --> 00:19:22,710
after 1,440 rounds of fire?
411
00:19:22,778 --> 00:19:24,779
Let's say they hit it
with at least one bullet.
412
00:19:24,847 --> 00:19:27,015
How long did it take
for it to come down?
413
00:19:27,082 --> 00:19:28,649
I think that we should
just shoot this thing
414
00:19:28,717 --> 00:19:29,884
and see what happens.
415
00:19:29,952 --> 00:19:31,519
You want to see
my true marksmanship now,
416
00:19:31,587 --> 00:19:32,787
is what you're saying.
Yes!
417
00:19:32,855 --> 00:19:34,022
You want to see what I can do.
418
00:19:34,089 --> 00:19:34,822
Yes.
Okay.
419
00:19:39,194 --> 00:19:41,295
So, our weather-balloon test
confirms
420
00:19:41,363 --> 00:19:43,965
that the combination
of searchlights...
421
00:19:44,033 --> 00:19:45,533
Smoke...
422
00:19:45,601 --> 00:19:48,102
And an 8-foot weather balloon
423
00:19:48,170 --> 00:19:51,539
come a lot closer to matching
the original photograph.
424
00:19:53,709 --> 00:19:57,712
However, those lights that
were not blocked by that balloon
425
00:19:57,780 --> 00:20:00,181
continued right on through
the convergence point.
426
00:20:00,249 --> 00:20:02,884
Therefore,
it wasn't an exact match.
427
00:20:02,951 --> 00:20:05,753
Our World War II expert said
428
00:20:05,821 --> 00:20:09,090
that of the 1,440 rounds
that were shot that night,
429
00:20:09,158 --> 00:20:12,260
the majority were .50-caliber.
430
00:20:13,796 --> 00:20:16,731
I'm going to take
a .50-caliber machine gun,
431
00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:18,533
and I'm going to shoot
at this weather balloon
432
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,302
to see what happens
and how fast it will come down.
433
00:20:24,506 --> 00:20:27,742
Oh, my God.
434
00:20:27,810 --> 00:20:31,913
This is an actual
.50-caliber machine gun...
435
00:20:34,983 --> 00:20:38,052
...The same type
that was used in 1942.
436
00:20:42,057 --> 00:20:44,792
Now, we know
a .50-caliber round
437
00:20:44,860 --> 00:20:46,127
is eventually going to bring
a balloon down.
438
00:20:46,195 --> 00:20:47,562
What we want to know is how.
439
00:20:50,265 --> 00:20:51,499
This is Howard.
440
00:20:51,567 --> 00:20:53,267
He's our weapons specialist.
441
00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:55,503
And what we've done
is mounted this on this lift,
442
00:20:55,571 --> 00:20:59,207
and I'll be taking this up
50 feet in the air,
443
00:20:59,274 --> 00:21:01,976
shooting
from about 600 feet away,
444
00:21:02,044 --> 00:21:04,145
and we'll see what happens.
445
00:21:04,213 --> 00:21:07,215
The really big thing
about this test, you guys,
446
00:21:07,282 --> 00:21:09,317
is that whether or not this
balloon is gonna pop or not
447
00:21:09,384 --> 00:21:10,551
or if it's gonna deflate.
448
00:21:10,619 --> 00:21:11,986
So, I've got a stopwatch here.
449
00:21:12,054 --> 00:21:13,821
We'll be able to time how long
it takes the balloon
450
00:21:13,889 --> 00:21:15,957
to drop from 40 feet
down to the ground.
451
00:21:16,024 --> 00:21:18,426
We'll be able to calculate
using those numbers
452
00:21:18,494 --> 00:21:20,728
how long it would have taken
in the original photograph
453
00:21:20,796 --> 00:21:21,829
for the balloon to drop.
454
00:21:21,897 --> 00:21:24,132
Ben, this is
your bad-ass moment.
455
00:21:24,199 --> 00:21:25,900
Do it.
456
00:21:41,650 --> 00:21:43,351
3...
457
00:21:43,418 --> 00:21:46,120
2...
458
00:21:46,188 --> 00:21:48,222
1!
459
00:21:54,129 --> 00:21:56,097
Whoa!
460
00:21:56,165 --> 00:22:00,868
Coming up on
"Fact or Fake: Paranormal Files"...
461
00:22:00,936 --> 00:22:03,204
Maybe this was a UFO.
Oh, yes.
462
00:22:03,272 --> 00:22:04,605
The Queen Mary is considered
463
00:22:04,673 --> 00:22:06,908
one of the most haunted
locations in the world.
464
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:11,312
Phantom.
465
00:22:11,380 --> 00:22:13,514
There is it.
It is moving.
466
00:22:13,582 --> 00:22:15,349
It looks like two eyes.
467
00:22:27,676 --> 00:22:31,079
This is an actual
.50-caliber machine gun,
468
00:22:31,146 --> 00:22:34,082
the same type
that was used in 1942.
469
00:22:37,786 --> 00:22:39,487
3...
470
00:22:39,555 --> 00:22:42,256
2...
471
00:22:42,324 --> 00:22:44,358
1!
472
00:22:49,498 --> 00:22:52,100
Whoa!
473
00:22:54,670 --> 00:22:57,205
Ben, I still have
an adrenaline rush.
474
00:22:57,272 --> 00:22:58,639
So much fun.
475
00:22:58,707 --> 00:23:00,541
So, you remember
the Battle of L.A.
476
00:23:00,609 --> 00:23:03,511
Now, the only known photograph
of the event
477
00:23:03,579 --> 00:23:05,046
depicts some type of object.
478
00:23:05,114 --> 00:23:07,949
It looks like a saucer shape
479
00:23:08,016 --> 00:23:10,651
that's sitting in the
convergence of eight spotlights.
480
00:23:10,719 --> 00:23:13,688
Now, one of the theories
is that the object in the sky
481
00:23:13,755 --> 00:23:15,223
is an optical illusion,
482
00:23:15,290 --> 00:23:17,058
what they're calling an artifact.
483
00:23:17,126 --> 00:23:19,494
We took
eight high-powered spotlights,
484
00:23:19,561 --> 00:23:21,662
and they converged at about
2,000 feet in the sky.
485
00:23:21,730 --> 00:23:23,431
And this is
what that looked like.
486
00:23:25,868 --> 00:23:27,401
Oh, wow. Nice.
There you go.
487
00:23:30,239 --> 00:23:32,573
It did create somewhat
of a slight artifact,
488
00:23:32,641 --> 00:23:35,243
but the beams passed straight on
through the convergence point.
489
00:23:36,044 --> 00:23:38,312
After our first test, we
realized the searchlights
490
00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:39,547
in the original photo
491
00:23:39,615 --> 00:23:41,249
are illuminating the smoke
from the explosions.
492
00:23:43,418 --> 00:23:45,620
So, this is
the Battle of L.A., right?
493
00:23:45,687 --> 00:23:47,555
We decided to create
our own battle.
494
00:23:47,623 --> 00:23:50,458
We brought in
12-gauge shotguns
495
00:23:50,526 --> 00:23:52,260
and 40-millimeter
grenade launchers
496
00:23:52,327 --> 00:23:53,728
shooting pyrotechnic shells.
497
00:23:56,431 --> 00:23:57,498
Oh, yes!
498
00:24:00,068 --> 00:24:01,536
As you can see,
Ben and Devin
499
00:24:01,603 --> 00:24:02,970
definitely had quite a war.
500
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,308
So, seeing that with this test,
we still had the problem
501
00:24:07,376 --> 00:24:09,177
with the beams going
past the convergence point,
502
00:24:09,244 --> 00:24:12,280
we decided to test that
it's just a weather balloon.
503
00:24:12,347 --> 00:24:15,550
We floated an 8-foot
weather balloon into the sky,
504
00:24:15,617 --> 00:24:17,118
fired at it,
505
00:24:17,186 --> 00:24:18,619
and we took another photo
to see what it looked like it.
506
00:24:18,687 --> 00:24:20,354
Yeah, you did.
Let's see it.
507
00:24:23,458 --> 00:24:25,226
Now, just the very fact
508
00:24:25,294 --> 00:24:28,262
that we're aiming
these spotlights at the balloon
509
00:24:28,330 --> 00:24:29,764
made it very reflective.
510
00:24:29,831 --> 00:24:33,201
The smoke did a pretty good job
of blocking off
511
00:24:33,268 --> 00:24:35,336
a lot more of those lights
from passing through.
512
00:24:35,404 --> 00:24:39,774
So, we decided, "Well, what
if this was a weather balloon?"
513
00:24:39,841 --> 00:24:42,677
How could a weather balloon
stay in the sky
514
00:24:42,744 --> 00:24:45,813
after 1,440 rounds
were shot at it?
515
00:24:45,881 --> 00:24:47,315
So, the only way to get an answer
516
00:24:47,382 --> 00:24:48,549
was to test it for ourselves.
517
00:25:05,167 --> 00:25:07,034
Whoa!
518
00:25:09,004 --> 00:25:10,304
- Right?
- Wow.
519
00:25:10,372 --> 00:25:12,073
All right. So, you guys,
I timed how long it would take
520
00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:14,675
for the balloon to hit
the ground once it was shot,
521
00:25:14,743 --> 00:25:16,444
and it took 3.7 seconds...
522
00:25:19,815 --> 00:25:21,882
...Which means
that even if a balloon
523
00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:24,485
was all the way up at 8,000 feet
and it was hit,
524
00:25:24,553 --> 00:25:25,987
it would have taken
a matter of minutes
525
00:25:26,054 --> 00:25:27,588
for it to come to the ground.
526
00:25:27,656 --> 00:25:29,223
It wouldn't have been a balloon
with a hole in it,
527
00:25:29,291 --> 00:25:32,360
slowly deflating all the way
down the coast.
528
00:25:32,427 --> 00:25:34,395
If a weather balloon
is that easy to shoot down,
529
00:25:34,463 --> 00:25:37,031
it causes me to question
the official air force report.
530
00:25:37,099 --> 00:25:39,567
You have all
these highly trained soldiers,
531
00:25:39,635 --> 00:25:41,035
and they shoot off
over 1,400 rounds,
532
00:25:41,103 --> 00:25:43,638
and there's no reports of debris.
533
00:25:43,705 --> 00:25:45,072
Maybe this was a UFO.
534
00:25:45,140 --> 00:25:46,207
Which would be
more than enough reason
535
00:25:46,275 --> 00:25:47,908
to cover the whole thing up.
536
00:25:47,976 --> 00:25:50,444
But there's another possibility.
537
00:25:50,512 --> 00:25:51,812
One of the other theories
538
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,281
was that there was
a barrage balloon.
539
00:25:53,348 --> 00:25:55,149
Now, these were big,
kind of blimp balloons,
540
00:25:55,217 --> 00:25:57,118
100 feet sometimes in length,
541
00:25:57,185 --> 00:25:59,420
that were put over factories
542
00:25:59,488 --> 00:26:01,188
so that if enemy aircraft
came in,
543
00:26:01,256 --> 00:26:02,923
they'd get all tangled up
in the balloon.
544
00:26:02,991 --> 00:26:04,959
It would make it difficult
for them to bomb.
545
00:26:05,027 --> 00:26:06,560
Now, there is some information
546
00:26:06,628 --> 00:26:11,899
that, possibly, one
of these balloons got loose.
547
00:26:11,967 --> 00:26:13,167
This is what it looks like.
548
00:26:16,171 --> 00:26:18,706
Here's your big, silver object
right there.
549
00:26:18,774 --> 00:26:20,508
That does make sense.
550
00:26:20,575 --> 00:26:23,110
So, Pearl Harbor just happened.
551
00:26:23,178 --> 00:26:24,378
The military is on high alert,
552
00:26:24,446 --> 00:26:26,113
and somebody mistakes
a barrage balloon
553
00:26:26,181 --> 00:26:27,815
for an enemy aircraft.
554
00:26:27,883 --> 00:26:29,317
The problem is, you guys,
555
00:26:29,384 --> 00:26:31,319
is that it's still
just a big balloon.
556
00:26:31,386 --> 00:26:32,620
They should have been able
to bring it down.
557
00:26:32,688 --> 00:26:34,522
That's a good point.
558
00:26:34,589 --> 00:26:38,492
Well, I think
you guys did an amazing job
559
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,094
at showing
what this photo was not.
560
00:26:40,162 --> 00:26:42,363
It was not an artifact,
561
00:26:42,431 --> 00:26:44,765
- and it was not a weather balloon.
- Right.
562
00:26:44,833 --> 00:26:46,667
I believe
there was an object in the sky.
563
00:26:46,735 --> 00:26:48,369
Now, we ruled
a lot of things out,
564
00:26:48,437 --> 00:26:50,938
but for all intents and
purposes, it's still a mystery.
565
00:26:59,648 --> 00:27:02,650
So, let's hear
what happened with you guys.
566
00:27:02,718 --> 00:27:05,219
Well, as you'll recall, we went
down to Long Beach
567
00:27:05,287 --> 00:27:06,854
to investigate
the possible hauntings
568
00:27:06,922 --> 00:27:07,722
on the Queen Mary.
569
00:27:10,292 --> 00:27:11,959
We ran a series of tests,
570
00:27:12,027 --> 00:27:13,828
and we got
some interesting results.
571
00:27:31,313 --> 00:27:33,647
With a long history
of ghostly legends,
572
00:27:33,715 --> 00:27:35,883
the Queen Mary is considered
573
00:27:35,951 --> 00:27:39,120
one of the most haunted
locations in the world.
574
00:27:39,187 --> 00:27:41,555
You know it was originally used
as a cruise ship
575
00:27:41,623 --> 00:27:44,024
for the world's rich and famous
that traveled along the Atlantic?
576
00:27:44,092 --> 00:27:45,426
That's right,
and in 1939,
577
00:27:45,494 --> 00:27:46,660
when World War II broke out,
578
00:27:46,728 --> 00:27:48,229
she was actually put
into active duty
579
00:27:48,296 --> 00:27:50,531
and transported over
800,000 troops.
580
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:54,068
As a matter of fact,
during World War II,
581
00:27:54,136 --> 00:27:55,870
the Queen Mary was painted grey
582
00:27:55,937 --> 00:27:57,705
and became known
as the grey ghost,
583
00:27:57,773 --> 00:28:01,976
because Hitler's u-boats
had a bounty to sink the ship,
584
00:28:02,043 --> 00:28:04,011
obviously without success.
585
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:06,347
Within the last 60 years,
586
00:28:06,415 --> 00:28:08,482
49 people have died
on the Queen Mary.
587
00:28:08,550 --> 00:28:11,585
And in 2008, actually,
one of the visitors,
588
00:28:11,653 --> 00:28:14,021
Ryan Caudill,
caught what he believes
589
00:28:14,089 --> 00:28:15,856
is a ghostly manifestation
on the Queen Mary.
590
00:28:21,797 --> 00:28:23,230
We're gonna start off
by getting a tour
591
00:28:23,298 --> 00:28:26,801
with resident Queen Mary
paranormal expert Pat Wheelock.
592
00:28:26,868 --> 00:28:28,335
I've heard
some pretty creepy things happen
593
00:28:28,403 --> 00:28:29,837
when the sun goes down.
594
00:28:29,905 --> 00:28:31,772
Anchors aweigh, everybody.
595
00:28:37,813 --> 00:28:40,414
Chi-Lan, Austin.
596
00:28:40,482 --> 00:28:41,649
Hi. How are you?
Pat Wheelock.
597
00:28:41,716 --> 00:28:43,851
Welcome aboard.
It's good to be here.
598
00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:45,352
You all ready to go on the tour?
We are.
599
00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:46,654
Let's head on.
All right, let's do it.
600
00:28:46,721 --> 00:28:47,988
Okay.
601
00:28:50,725 --> 00:28:53,160
Whoa.
602
00:29:01,436 --> 00:29:03,737
So, this is the pool.
603
00:29:03,805 --> 00:29:06,841
This is the first-
and third-class pool.
604
00:29:06,908 --> 00:29:09,109
And this place looks
really, really creepy,
605
00:29:09,177 --> 00:29:11,212
I have to tell you.
606
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:14,648
And you said this is one of
the hottest spots in the ship
607
00:29:14,716 --> 00:29:16,717
for reoccurring phenomenons?
608
00:29:16,785 --> 00:29:18,152
Oh, we get it almost daily...
609
00:29:18,220 --> 00:29:21,322
People reporting
hearing a child giggle
610
00:29:21,389 --> 00:29:23,090
or shadows
of people walking around.
611
00:29:28,897 --> 00:29:30,264
Let's head on back
to the changing-room area.
612
00:29:30,332 --> 00:29:31,599
Okay.
613
00:29:31,666 --> 00:29:33,033
That's down this hall, right?
Uh-huh.
614
00:29:35,470 --> 00:29:37,771
The claim is
615
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:40,274
that, actually,
where you all are standing,
616
00:29:40,342 --> 00:29:42,510
you're in the middle of a vortex.
617
00:29:45,747 --> 00:29:47,882
Why is this the vortex?
People get dizzy.
618
00:29:47,949 --> 00:29:50,384
They feel that it's
a passageway through
619
00:29:50,452 --> 00:29:52,586
to another realm
or another world.
620
00:29:52,654 --> 00:29:53,787
Got it. Okay.
621
00:29:53,855 --> 00:29:55,589
So, it can be disorienting?
Exactly.
622
00:29:57,626 --> 00:29:59,260
Back this way.
Okay.
623
00:29:59,327 --> 00:30:01,795
We have our work cut out for us.
624
00:30:06,835 --> 00:30:09,670
Now that we know more
about the Queen Mary's history,
625
00:30:09,738 --> 00:30:12,273
we're headed to talk to Ryan,
the videographer.
626
00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:14,775
Hey, you must be Ryan.
627
00:30:14,843 --> 00:30:16,610
I am.
How you doing?
628
00:30:16,678 --> 00:30:17,912
So, what happened that night?
629
00:30:17,979 --> 00:30:21,315
Well, I was down here
with a couple friends,
630
00:30:21,383 --> 00:30:22,783
and we were up here at the bar,
631
00:30:22,851 --> 00:30:24,818
just playing around
with the camera,
632
00:30:24,886 --> 00:30:26,120
and we stepped out for a moment,
633
00:30:26,187 --> 00:30:28,122
and we left the camera
on the windowsill.
634
00:30:34,029 --> 00:30:36,697
So, you can say
with 100% certainty
635
00:30:36,765 --> 00:30:39,233
that you don't believe
either you were hoaxed
636
00:30:39,301 --> 00:30:40,768
or have been part of a hoax?
637
00:30:40,835 --> 00:30:42,870
It was not a hoax.
638
00:30:42,938 --> 00:30:44,305
Would you mind retracing
the exact steps
639
00:30:44,372 --> 00:30:45,973
that you went through that night
640
00:30:46,041 --> 00:30:48,208
- so we can kind of see exactly
what happened? - Absolutely.
641
00:30:48,276 --> 00:30:49,543
Great. Lead the way.
Sure.
642
00:30:55,283 --> 00:30:57,217
So, this is the hallway
643
00:30:57,285 --> 00:30:59,420
that you were able to capture
the ghostly apparition.
644
00:30:59,487 --> 00:31:01,155
This is it.
Wow.
645
00:31:03,625 --> 00:31:07,761
And this is where I set
the camera down.
646
00:31:12,634 --> 00:31:14,868
Now, Ryan, there's
these glass cabinets here.
647
00:31:14,936 --> 00:31:16,537
Is it possible that you set it
648
00:31:16,605 --> 00:31:18,272
behind one of the glass cabinets
649
00:31:18,340 --> 00:31:19,440
and you were shooting through it?
650
00:31:19,507 --> 00:31:21,442
You know what?
651
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:23,177
I don't remember
these cabinets even being here.
652
00:31:23,244 --> 00:31:24,745
Well, like, right now,
653
00:31:24,813 --> 00:31:26,480
both these two outside doors
are open,
654
00:31:26,548 --> 00:31:28,115
allowing
the outside air to come in.
655
00:31:28,183 --> 00:31:30,050
Do you remember
if they were open that night?
656
00:31:30,118 --> 00:31:31,251
Yes.
They were?
657
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:32,119
Well, that door was open.
658
00:31:34,723 --> 00:31:36,757
Now, did you actually bring
the original camera?
659
00:31:36,825 --> 00:31:38,325
We always like to do
some experiments
660
00:31:38,393 --> 00:31:39,793
and hopefully use
the same equipment.
661
00:31:39,861 --> 00:31:41,328
I-I absolutely did.
Here.
662
00:31:41,396 --> 00:31:43,764
Well, thank you so much
663
00:31:43,832 --> 00:31:45,265
for taking the time
to meet with us,
664
00:31:45,333 --> 00:31:46,467
and we'll let you know
if we find anything.
665
00:31:46,534 --> 00:31:48,235
Thanks for the camera.
Absolutely.
666
00:31:52,707 --> 00:31:54,608
One of the most popular theories
667
00:31:54,676 --> 00:31:56,543
of what Ryan captured on video
668
00:31:56,611 --> 00:31:57,578
is that it's shadows.
669
00:31:57,646 --> 00:31:59,847
But it doesn't actually account
670
00:31:59,914 --> 00:32:02,082
for what we're seeing
in the beginning of the video,
671
00:32:02,150 --> 00:32:05,486
which is a very clear-cut,
white apparition
672
00:32:05,553 --> 00:32:07,021
in the center of the hallway.
673
00:32:07,088 --> 00:32:08,155
Shadows don't exist like that.
674
00:32:13,762 --> 00:32:15,095
So, what we're gonna do now
675
00:32:15,163 --> 00:32:16,397
is we're gonna perform
an experiment
676
00:32:16,464 --> 00:32:19,033
that incorporates
the environmental elements,
677
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:20,834
such as the fog
that you see outside.
678
00:32:20,902 --> 00:32:25,239
We can actually project things
onto that fog
679
00:32:25,306 --> 00:32:26,874
and hopefully create
the white apparition
680
00:32:26,941 --> 00:32:28,442
that we're seeing
in Ryan's video.
681
00:32:33,314 --> 00:32:36,450
We basically need
to make a mini movie
682
00:32:36,518 --> 00:32:39,319
so we have something to project.
683
00:32:39,387 --> 00:32:43,057
Chi-Lan's gonna film me
against a black backdrop,
684
00:32:43,124 --> 00:32:45,059
and I'll walk the same pattern
685
00:32:45,126 --> 00:32:46,527
as the ghostly apparition
in the video.
686
00:32:49,731 --> 00:32:52,499
Good job, ghost.
High five.
687
00:32:52,567 --> 00:32:53,867
Rock 'n' roll with that walk.
688
00:32:53,935 --> 00:32:55,803
Once we get the footage we need,
689
00:32:55,870 --> 00:32:57,638
we're just gonna load it
into the projector
690
00:32:57,706 --> 00:32:59,907
and project it down the hallway
on the haze.
691
00:32:59,974 --> 00:33:02,009
Hopefully this will replicate
the original footage.
692
00:33:05,046 --> 00:33:06,647
What we're gonna do now
693
00:33:06,715 --> 00:33:09,650
is use a haze machine
694
00:33:09,718 --> 00:33:11,485
to add to the humidity
in the hallway.
695
00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:24,398
Hey, guys, you can see
the haze in the hall.
696
00:33:26,534 --> 00:33:27,801
You guys ready to start
this experiment?
697
00:33:27,869 --> 00:33:29,837
On 3...
698
00:33:29,904 --> 00:33:31,472
2...
699
00:33:31,539 --> 00:33:33,240
1.
700
00:33:33,308 --> 00:33:34,708
Phantom.
701
00:33:42,490 --> 00:33:44,290
So, what we're gonna do now
702
00:33:44,358 --> 00:33:46,526
is we're gonna perform
an experiment
703
00:33:46,594 --> 00:33:49,295
that incorporates
the environmental elements,
704
00:33:49,363 --> 00:33:52,532
such as the fog
that you see outside.
705
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,001
We can actually project things
onto that fog
706
00:33:55,069 --> 00:33:56,403
and hopefully create
the white apparition
707
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:58,672
that we're seeing
in Ryan's video.
708
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:04,244
On 3...
709
00:34:04,311 --> 00:34:05,879
2...
710
00:34:05,946 --> 00:34:07,614
1.
711
00:34:07,682 --> 00:34:11,084
Phantom.
712
00:34:11,152 --> 00:34:12,686
Wow!
713
00:34:12,753 --> 00:34:13,687
Look at that.
714
00:34:18,059 --> 00:34:19,092
That looks creepy.
715
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,093
It actually does work.
716
00:34:20,161 --> 00:34:21,528
Wow.
717
00:34:24,098 --> 00:34:27,734
It actually looks really similar.
718
00:34:30,337 --> 00:34:31,671
We're seeing the light
719
00:34:31,739 --> 00:34:33,773
actually shoot
from the projector.
720
00:34:33,841 --> 00:34:36,776
That is the problem.
721
00:34:36,844 --> 00:34:39,579
You can see
the beam of the projector.
722
00:34:39,647 --> 00:34:43,817
We were able to create
a similar moving image,
723
00:34:43,884 --> 00:34:45,852
but once the haze
filled up the hallway,
724
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,555
you could clearly see
that it was simply a projection.
725
00:34:48,622 --> 00:34:52,726
The fact that those glass cases
were in the hallway
726
00:34:52,793 --> 00:34:54,494
gave us an idea...
727
00:34:54,562 --> 00:34:58,031
That Ryan's video was simply
an optical illusion.
728
00:35:03,370 --> 00:35:04,604
In our next experiment,
729
00:35:04,672 --> 00:35:07,240
we're gonna attempt
to manipulate perception.
730
00:35:07,308 --> 00:35:08,975
And the way
that we're gonna do that
731
00:35:09,043 --> 00:35:11,644
is actually just use this
presidential-style teleprompter.
732
00:35:11,712 --> 00:35:16,182
I put the camera
about a foot away from it.
733
00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:17,383
We're gonna project
Austin's image
734
00:35:17,451 --> 00:35:19,152
that we recorded earlier,
735
00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:22,689
superimposing him
on top of the hallway.
736
00:35:22,757 --> 00:35:24,257
It should match pretty close
737
00:35:24,325 --> 00:35:25,625
to what we're seeing
in Ryan's video.
738
00:35:29,697 --> 00:35:30,597
Okay, on 3...
739
00:35:31,766 --> 00:35:33,399
...2...
740
00:35:33,467 --> 00:35:34,300
1.
741
00:35:36,203 --> 00:35:37,070
Play video.
742
00:35:40,441 --> 00:35:41,741
Hey, hey.
There you are.
743
00:35:41,809 --> 00:35:42,876
Oh, wow.
744
00:35:42,943 --> 00:35:44,043
How's it working?
745
00:35:44,111 --> 00:35:45,612
This is awesome.
746
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:47,313
It looks pretty close.
747
00:35:47,381 --> 00:35:48,481
It really looks ghostly.
748
00:35:48,549 --> 00:35:49,883
You have a transparency,
749
00:35:49,950 --> 00:35:52,819
and you're walking
like the guy in the video.
750
00:35:56,590 --> 00:35:59,192
So, this is
almost like proof of concept...
751
00:35:59,260 --> 00:36:02,095
that by using
reflective surfaces,
752
00:36:02,163 --> 00:36:03,496
it is possible
753
00:36:03,564 --> 00:36:06,499
that maybe this is how Ryan's
video was created.
754
00:36:06,567 --> 00:36:08,668
Yeah. I think that we found a
great way to hoax these videos.
755
00:36:11,205 --> 00:36:13,072
Now that we've done
the forced perspective test
756
00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:14,908
and we can see
that the video can be hoaxed,
757
00:36:14,975 --> 00:36:17,944
we still have to consider the
long history of the Queen Mary.
758
00:36:20,414 --> 00:36:22,382
There have been
so many eyewitness accounts
759
00:36:22,449 --> 00:36:23,883
of paranormal activity,
760
00:36:23,951 --> 00:36:25,885
so we're gonna go ahead
and do a night investigation.
761
00:36:31,959 --> 00:36:33,793
All the cameras
are set up.
762
00:36:33,861 --> 00:36:34,994
Yeah, we're ready to go.
763
00:36:35,062 --> 00:36:38,264
Changing room, ballroom.
764
00:36:38,332 --> 00:36:40,567
Boiler room, deck,
765
00:36:40,634 --> 00:36:42,702
and, of course, where
Ryan Caudill shot his footage.
766
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:45,972
All right, guys. I'm gonna
bring my DSLR for stills.
767
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,041
I'm also gonna check
the thermal cam,
768
00:36:48,108 --> 00:36:50,009
see if there are any unusual
heat signatures on the ship.
769
00:36:50,077 --> 00:36:51,411
Sounds good.
770
00:36:51,478 --> 00:36:53,513
Flashlight.
Very handy.
771
00:36:53,581 --> 00:36:55,648
You guys ready to go green?
All right.
772
00:37:18,138 --> 00:37:19,772
Right now,
I am on top of the bridge
773
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,008
that is over the boiler room,
774
00:37:22,076 --> 00:37:25,378
and I am scanning the room
775
00:37:25,446 --> 00:37:28,248
for any unusual heat signatures.
776
00:37:39,994 --> 00:37:42,328
Bill to Austin.
777
00:37:42,396 --> 00:37:44,197
Austin for Bill.
778
00:37:44,265 --> 00:37:45,965
I'm gonna have an EVP session
779
00:37:46,033 --> 00:37:47,467
in the changing room
780
00:37:47,534 --> 00:37:50,303
where the vortex
has been reported.
781
00:37:50,371 --> 00:37:51,571
Copy that.
782
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:55,742
We're now setting up
audio recorders
783
00:37:55,809 --> 00:38:00,079
to record
electronic voice phenomena.
784
00:38:00,147 --> 00:38:01,881
This is Bill.
785
00:38:01,949 --> 00:38:04,784
I'm on the Queen Mary.
786
00:38:04,852 --> 00:38:06,152
I'm here to learn from you.
787
00:38:08,622 --> 00:38:12,792
Is there a message
that you would like to deliver
788
00:38:12,860 --> 00:38:14,227
to the people
who visit the Queen Mary?
789
00:38:21,669 --> 00:38:23,136
Whoa.
Did you see that?
790
00:38:33,047 --> 00:38:36,049
Now that we can see
that the video can be hoaxed,
791
00:38:36,116 --> 00:38:39,285
we still have to consider the
long history of the Queen Mary.
792
00:38:39,353 --> 00:38:41,020
There have been
so many eyewitness accounts
793
00:38:41,088 --> 00:38:42,822
of paranormal activity,
794
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:44,791
so we're gonna go ahead
and do a night investigation.
795
00:38:47,428 --> 00:38:51,497
I am scanning the room
for any unusual heat signatures.
796
00:38:55,269 --> 00:38:56,636
Whoa.
Did you see that?
797
00:38:58,505 --> 00:39:02,342
I'm catching some type of heat
signature, and it is moving,
798
00:39:02,409 --> 00:39:04,510
but I don't see anything
with the naked eye.
799
00:39:07,181 --> 00:39:08,514
If it's one of the sailors
800
00:39:08,582 --> 00:39:10,016
or if it's one of the passengers
801
00:39:10,084 --> 00:39:14,053
that was once aboard
the Queen Mary,
802
00:39:14,121 --> 00:39:15,922
we'd like to able
to learn from you.
803
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,262
I just heard, like, a creak,
804
00:39:22,329 --> 00:39:26,466
or maybe that was a groan.
805
00:39:26,533 --> 00:39:29,335
Could you leave me a message
in words that I can understand?
806
00:39:29,403 --> 00:39:30,570
Can you speak to me?
807
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:40,313
Austin for Bill.
Are you there?
808
00:39:40,381 --> 00:39:42,015
Go for Bill.
809
00:39:42,082 --> 00:39:45,118
I swear to you, I just saw eyes
next to the...
810
00:39:45,185 --> 00:39:47,253
It looks like the entrance
of the changing room.
811
00:39:47,321 --> 00:39:49,422
Eyes?
Yes.
812
00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:51,024
It looks like two eyes.
813
00:39:51,091 --> 00:39:52,325
There it is.
It is moving.
814
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:54,961
What is that?
815
00:39:57,998 --> 00:39:58,998
So, Bill, tell me about it.
816
00:39:59,066 --> 00:40:00,533
What did you guys do?
817
00:40:00,601 --> 00:40:02,435
We went down to Long Beach
to investigate
818
00:40:02,503 --> 00:40:04,704
the possible hauntings
on the Queen Mary.
819
00:40:04,772 --> 00:40:07,140
First we wanted to eliminate
the obvious,
820
00:40:07,207 --> 00:40:09,943
that the ghost that we're seeing
in Ryan Caudill's video
821
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:11,911
wasn't a result of shadows
822
00:40:11,979 --> 00:40:13,813
because of light sources
in the hallway.
823
00:40:13,881 --> 00:40:17,283
The shadows will cross
the floor as well as the walls.
824
00:40:17,351 --> 00:40:19,185
But there's nothing
that actually stands
825
00:40:19,253 --> 00:40:20,687
within the middle of the hallway,
826
00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:23,156
which is where all of Ryan's
apparitions appeared.
827
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,928
We started thinking
that maybe this is a hoax.
828
00:40:28,996 --> 00:40:31,965
There was a lot of condensation
in the Long Beach Harbor,
829
00:40:32,032 --> 00:40:34,334
and we were thinking this could
very easily act as a backdrop
830
00:40:34,401 --> 00:40:36,936
for us to project
our own image onto.
831
00:40:37,004 --> 00:40:39,872
We projected
a mini movie of Austin
832
00:40:39,940 --> 00:40:41,207
down the middle of the hallway
833
00:40:41,275 --> 00:40:42,475
so that we could get
that white apparition
834
00:40:42,543 --> 00:40:44,043
walking straight down.
835
00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:49,882
- That looks great.
- That is really cool.
836
00:40:49,950 --> 00:40:53,720
It was pretty amazing
how well it worked,
837
00:40:53,787 --> 00:40:56,956
but the deal was is that you
could see the beam of light
838
00:40:57,024 --> 00:40:58,825
from the projector
cutting through the haze.
839
00:41:02,229 --> 00:41:05,498
The next test we did had pretty
striking results, as well.
840
00:41:05,566 --> 00:41:07,533
We manipulated depth perception
841
00:41:07,601 --> 00:41:10,870
by using a presidential-style
teleprompter.
842
00:41:10,938 --> 00:41:14,073
Whoa!
843
00:41:14,141 --> 00:41:15,241
Wow.
844
00:41:15,309 --> 00:41:17,143
To drive the point home
845
00:41:17,211 --> 00:41:19,245
that a video like this
can be hoaxed,
846
00:41:19,313 --> 00:41:21,247
I shot the empty hallway.
847
00:41:21,315 --> 00:41:24,684
Then I took the video of Austin,
and I composited the two.
848
00:41:26,186 --> 00:41:27,954
Wow.
849
00:41:28,022 --> 00:41:32,525
That looks great.
850
00:41:32,593 --> 00:41:34,727
I think we got
a pretty close match here.
851
00:41:34,795 --> 00:41:37,430
It shows that that video could
have been hoaxed in a number of ways,
852
00:41:37,498 --> 00:41:39,065
but it doesn't mean
that there isn't
853
00:41:39,133 --> 00:41:40,733
any paranormal activity
to be found on the Queen Mary.
854
00:41:40,801 --> 00:41:44,704
So, we thought, "We have to do
a night investigation
855
00:41:44,772 --> 00:41:46,005
so we can collect
our own evidence."
856
00:41:46,073 --> 00:41:48,408
I was in the middle
of an EVP session
857
00:41:48,475 --> 00:41:50,009
when Austin radios me.
858
00:41:50,077 --> 00:41:52,712
"There's a pair of glowing eyes
looking at you!"
859
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:54,714
- Eyes?
- Yeah.
860
00:41:54,782 --> 00:41:56,816
I just see these bright,
glowing eyes staring at me
861
00:41:56,884 --> 00:41:58,351
right where Bill is.
No way.
862
00:41:58,419 --> 00:41:59,619
Play the clip.
Seriously.
863
00:41:59,686 --> 00:42:02,055
No way.
864
00:42:05,192 --> 00:42:07,527
Aah! So, do you see this?
What the...
865
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:11,998
I have no idea what they are,
866
00:42:12,066 --> 00:42:15,601
but as they start coming closer
to the I.R. camera,
867
00:42:15,669 --> 00:42:17,370
I found out the ship
actually has a couple stowaways.
868
00:42:20,441 --> 00:42:21,507
Oh, my gosh.
869
00:42:21,575 --> 00:42:22,708
A raccoon!
A raccoon.
870
00:42:23,811 --> 00:42:25,545
It turns out
871
00:42:25,612 --> 00:42:26,913
that there are
a number of raccoons
872
00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:28,314
that live in the belly
of the ship.
873
00:42:28,382 --> 00:42:29,715
That was a false alarm,
874
00:42:29,783 --> 00:42:31,984
but we did not leave
empty-handed.
875
00:42:32,052 --> 00:42:34,921
During the EVP session,
something was recorded.
876
00:42:34,988 --> 00:42:37,423
No way. Why don't you guys
listen to this audio file
877
00:42:37,491 --> 00:42:38,891
and tell me what you hear?
No way.
878
00:42:41,161 --> 00:42:43,529
We're all hereto learn from you.
879
00:42:45,332 --> 00:42:46,899
Oh, my gosh.
880
00:42:46,967 --> 00:42:48,434
Are you kidding me?
881
00:42:50,504 --> 00:42:54,373
That, to me, sounds like a little girl
snickering. It's exactly what it is.
882
00:42:54,441 --> 00:42:58,111
We're all here to learn from you.
883
00:42:59,713 --> 00:43:01,914
Oh, my goodness.
884
00:43:01,982 --> 00:43:03,883
So, team,
what do you think?
885
00:43:03,951 --> 00:43:05,685
Ryan's video... fact or faked?
886
00:43:05,752 --> 00:43:08,321
There's a number of ways that
this video could have been faked.
887
00:43:08,388 --> 00:43:11,858
But that does not discount
the numerous eyewitness accounts
888
00:43:11,925 --> 00:43:14,026
of actual paranormal activity.
889
00:43:14,094 --> 00:43:16,529
The video
is certainly questionable,
890
00:43:16,597 --> 00:43:18,464
but I think the EVP session
891
00:43:18,532 --> 00:43:21,134
shows that there may be
paranormal activity
892
00:43:21,201 --> 00:43:22,135
aboard the Queen Mary.
893
00:43:22,202 --> 00:43:24,103
Sounds like we agree.
894
00:43:24,171 --> 00:43:27,807
Paranormal activity in Ryan's
video... probably faked.
895
00:43:27,875 --> 00:43:29,842
But the Queen Mary
may be haunted.
896
00:43:31,345 --> 00:43:33,112
Great job, guys.
897
00:43:33,512 --> 00:43:43,512
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