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Ok, welcome to CERN.
This is in fact the control room for the ATLAS experiment.
ATLAS is one of the four large experiments now going on
at the LHC, the Large Hadron Collider.
The Large Hadron Collider is a huge ring of 27km,
and that’s an accelerator
where we accelerate protons in two different directions,
and then they collide in four points.
We are just above one of those colliding points
at the ATLAS experiment.
So ATLAS is both
a large collaboration of about 3,000 people,
I'm one of them, my name is Pauline Gagnon,
I'm Canadian.
I work for an American institute, Indiana University,
and I live here in France and I work in Switzerland,
but that's just about the kind of sociology
that you have with the people here at CERN.
So it's a very mixed background,
in ATLAS alone we have people from more than 70 different countries.
There are only 38 countries participating in the experiment,
but since people like me with...
I'm Canadian and I grew up in an American institute,
so, then there are people from different countries working together.
The common language to work is broken English,
so everybody speaks it
with their own mistakes and all that, their own accent.
So... But people get along and we usually get the work done.
All this, you may wonder,
what's the purpose of all this?
Why do we go to such an extent?
So much work, 3,000 people
just to build the detector and work on it
and analyse the data that comes out of it.
Essentially, its just to increase
the knowledge about what matter is made of.
What is the universe where we live,
what is this place we are in
and where did it come from. Where is it going.
So, it's very fundamental questions,
it's nothing that puts food on your plate right away.
The food might come later on, because with research,
you never know what will come out of it.
We're going out and...
let's see what we find!
It's a bit like a mushroom hunt, you know,
you can bring back something that is really good
and you make a good dish and you might not
come back with anything suitable.
So, I was saying earlier that we have the accelerator
which accelerates the particles
and then we have the detectors
that are there just to detect what comes up.
A detector is just a very fancy camera,
so we take a snapshot of what happens
when two protons come into collision.
All the energy released in the collision
then is in one small tiny point
and it allows you to create a particle
because E = MC2, so the energy that you have put there,
you can transform it into mass.
The C squared is just the exchange rate between energy and mass.
So we can create new particles and study how they behave.
I saw in 1995 there was an opening at CERN
and LHC was due to start very soon.
And so this is why I decided it could be a good opportunity
and so that's why I jumped.
So, I think...
It's actually beautiful to be part of a...
modern cathedral's building.
That's the way I see it. It's like being a community
with a single aim and a single scope
and we're producing machines
that nobody has built before. Like a cathedral.
I'm in charge of the magnets at CERN
everything that has to do with magnets for the machines
and I arrived at CERN in 1995
after a few years of working in thermonuclear fusion.
I think I was lured here by the adventure of the LHC,
so it was at the beginning of the LHC.
In fact where we are today is the hall where we do all the maintenance,
the work, the construction and the reconstruction of the LHC magnets.
We do mostly dipoles here, and we work with quadrupoles as well
these are the main elements
that make up the superconducting cryostat of the LHC.
Well magnets are the main mass in an accelerator.
As you've seen in accelerators at CERN, magnets guide particles,
they drive them around on a circular path
so that they can go back to the real accelerating component
which is a cavity. But they need to do that thousands
and tens of thousands of times a second, like in the LHC.
So the main function of the magnet is to guide the particles back
this is what we call dipoles, and they have to focus them
onto the closed orbit of the machine, and these are the quadrapoles.
In addition to that,
the quadrapoles also squeeze the beam down to a small size,
smaller than a hair, in the experimental region.
This is the main function of the magnets.
To give you an idea of power and strength...
I think...
Let's start with electrical power that we use
because we need electrical power to run the machines.
So CERN uses roughly 160 megawatts of electrical power
only to run the accelerators and that's more or less the consumption
of a small city like Geneva.
So it requires indeed a lot of power
in spite of the fact that we use superconductors.
So the LHC itself uses about 60 megawatts and the whole complex
before the pre-injectors
uses also about 60 megawatts to inject the beam into the LHC.
As to the magnetic field,
to give you a feeling for how strong the magnetic field is,
you should imagine a magnetic field
in our magnets of 8 tesla produces forces.
These magnets are 15 meters long,
and the forces produced on the magnet
are in the order of 350 tonnes per half magnet.
So 350 tonnes per meter of magnet for every half of the magnet.
So it's a lot of weight that needs to be held
by the very strong structures that we put around them.
This is why the magnets are all encircled
in these very strong structural steel that keeps them together.
As to the magnetic field itself, the nominal field is 8 tesla.
You can compare that to the magnetic field of the earth
which you can barely see with a magnetic needle.
So here in Geneva the earth is producing about half a Gauss
and if I compare that to the magnetic field of the LHC,
which is 8 Tesla, that's a factor of 100,000 more.
So the LHC produces 100,000 more magnetic field
than that of the earth.
We are 90 meters underground,
between the Jura and the Lake of Geneva,
and this is the cavern of the ATLAS experiment.
It's the biggest experiment in high energy physics we ever built,
so it's... the cavern is huge it's 60m by 30m.
Inside there is a detector, it is 7,000 tons,
it's the same weight as the Tour d'Eiffel in Paris.
And, the cavern is fully occupied, in fact by our detector
and this is one of the detectors that has measured the Higgs-Boson,
this year and last year.
And now we are in maintenance mode so, this is the period in which we stop,
we open the detector and we work on it.
So the aim of all this is quite varied,
one of the main aims,
one which you can also find in the press
is the discovery of the Higgs-Boson.
Apart from being a particle it's a mechanism, it's a field,
and it's the mechanism which gives the mass
to all the other particles.
But this is only one of the aims of this detector.
This is a general purpose detector
and can measure several aspects of nature.
Several aspects of nature in very tiny dimensions.
And this backwards in time, the accelerator itself is a time machine.
Raising the energy allows us to go back in time
and to reach a point a tiny amount of time after the big bang.
The description of nature as we know today is at the moment...
I would say, quite complete,
especially after the discovery of the Higgs-Bosons.
But there are many, many things we don't understand, that...
For which this detector has been built for
and these for example are questions about matter
and well, there is one very basic question
that is the difference between the amount of matter and anti-matter.
Because all this... knowledge, all this building of knowledge
and building of theories tells you that...
the big bang bang and
at a certain moment in time was beginning.
And all the matter, all the matter that exists in the universe now
comes from a very small point
from where everything expanded, in a way,
to give an image.
But to have this final tiny point with this enormous amount of energy
and matter, density,
you must have a way to put all together...
and, the only considerable way you can see about this is symmetric...
a symmetric way of thinking.
That you must have the same amount of matter and anti-matter.
And then of course you can ask yourself:
so why is it not myself in anti-matter that is destroying me.
So in a way there is a tiny difference between the matter
and anti-matter that makes all this exist.
And this is certainly a mystery, there are other mysteries
like the amount of dark matter, we see that if we look...
we can look at this kind of phenomena also in space
and we can look at matter in space
and we cannot really compute totally the matter
that is in space, we can compute it but we see there is a deficit
and that is what we call the dark matter and the dark energy,
that they are not exactly the same thing to make this size of universe
and this way the matter is distributed possible.
And this is certainly a mystery.
Another mystery I would like to give you is that...
I explained to you that energy and time are correlated
and the product of energy and time has to give you a constant.
Now, if you think for a moment
that the time you're aiming at is 'zero',
then to keep this as a constant the energy has to be infinite.
So there is in itself a paradox here
and something that maybe we can't approach,
we can do our best,
but the time 'zero' is something which is difficult.
So...
What we do in research is...
sounds a bit strange, I mean, we...
on the one hand we want to
test and confirm
our present theory
and at the same time we are always looking for things which
destroy our present theories
to find something new.
You...
want me to explain the Higgs particle?
Yeah... this is... yes... I mean, the Higgs...
Higgs mechanism... I have... This is one of my...
My... I mean, the...
I have been wondering how one can
correctly and easily explain
the role of the Higgs field,
Higgs mechanism and the Higgs particle.
This is something which is difficult for me to do.
How can I explain?
Is...
Higgs-Boson has such a unique and important role,
even one that allows us to exist,
this important particle
hadn't been discovered till just one year ago.
So, in a way, this is a very frustrating situation.
We know the theory works very well,
however one of the key elements of the theory
hasn't been confirmed by experiment,
nobody has seen whether this exists or not.
Now it's very likely
this will be discovered.
So, in a sense,
the last piece of our theory has been found
and put into the jigsaw puzzle,
but in a jigsaw puzzle this would be the completion,
then you glue it and put it on the wall
or take it apart.
But in physics it doesn't work like this.
Up to this point the analogy of the jigsaw puzzle works fine,
but after that it doesn't hold anymore.
What we want to do is...
first of all, we have to confirm
if this particle is really the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle,
not something similar but it maybe something totally different.
We have a picture, a cosmological history of our universe,
nobody tells us that is the truth but within our present knowledge
this is the best we can do and indeed it does explain very nicely
everything we are able to observe.
Maybe we come up with new observation.
Remember,
what we are studying at the LHC
is matter,
so matter, well visible matter, constitutes only 4% of the universe.
All the rest is unknown, dark matter, that we know it exists
but we don't know what it is.
And something even more mysterious is dark energy.
Again we suspect it exists
cause we need it to explain
given properties of the evolution of the universe
but again we don't have any idea what it is.
So today we are in a situation
where we understand 4% of the universe
and we ignore what the rest of it is.
So the specific place where we are now,
this is ALICE experiment,
we are looking to recreate primordial matter.
Matter as it existed shortly after the big bang.
Here we are talking fractions of a micro-second
after the beginning of the universe.
At that time temperatures were extremely high,
energy density was very high
and matter was in a completely different shape than today.
So we recreate this primordial matter,
try to understand nature and properties of this matter
and then how it evolved
from its state in the early universe to the state as we know it today.
Imagine in a single collision
we are producing, about 10,000 particles,
running through the equipment
that must be identified.
So we don't see the particle itself, we take a picture of the track
a particle leaves as it passes through the detector.
Like if you look at a ski slope,
you don't see the skier
but you can identify weight, size and direction
by the traces he leaves behind.
And for a full trace of the skier
you need a big field!
We use brute force, we aren't very smart.
We use the energy from a collision
to create these new particles.
We need to bring a small particle
up to a very high speed,
close to the speed of light,
so for this we just need big machines!
Using magnets to make the particle turn and electricity to accelerate it
and a million other things to make the whole thing work!
And I think CERN is a really good example
for humanity following a common objective.
Even if we don't discover anything in science,
I think having achieved that is a major achievement.
So she recognised that they pushed the crash button?
Are we speaking about this new crash button
which we installed like a year ago in Utrecht, or not?
- I don't know. - This, I think, we have to understand.
I think we really have to understand this.
The crash button was somehow recognised as being pushed...
I think Christoph Schäfer also has to be involved.
So, that's the suspicion right now?
That someone hit the crash button?
- No. - So, that's the question.
So why did it turn off in the first place?
All the information is inclusive of an emergency stop.
So it's as if some hit the crash button?
- So... - I mean...
I don't know the meaning of emergency stop...
That's OK, that's OK.
So, the law is as if...
it's as if someone hit the crash button?
You don't think someone did,
but it's as if someone hit the crash button.
OK.
So the question is about first statement.
You looked at reprocessed versus prompt data
and you decided to stay with the prompt,
but in the reprocessed data, there are not just changes for jets,
so I find the statement a little bit...
surprising.
So, the question is, is it a quantitative measure
of these major differences, which you can see you have some...
plots also that show that.
If it's in the back-up, we can look at it later
but I don't want to kill the stream.
I'm not quite sure if I put it in the back-up or not.
Just more than a sentence
I think that's what I'll learn from the question.
OK, we can take it offline and we can go on from here.
You look frozen, are you still, you know, alive?
I think the shock of this question was too much.
He's gone.
OK, he turned invisible.
So no more questions until the end please.
Can anybody...
outside CERN still hear us?
- I can. - Oh, good.
So I can go and sit down and just wait.
In the beginning I was heavily involved in building a system
that we call 'the trigger system'.
This trigger system actually selects online,
in real time,
the interesting collisions to be recorded and analysed later.
This involved the development
of an electronic system which operates very fast.
It looks at a collision 40 million times per second,
like a digital camera,
which takes 40 million pictures per second.
It not only takes the pictures
but it looks for interesting patterns for example.
And if there are,
which is only the case a few hundred times per second,
then the trigger system recognizes these
and marks them for recording.
Like if you take lots of snapshots with a camera
but you eliminate those that you do not like.
But we do that online extremely fast.
Our first important discovery
was a particle that looks very much like the so-called Higgs particle,
which is also called God particle,
but this is a term which physicists don't really like.
We have discovered a very new particle
and now we are going to measure all its properties
and make sure it is really the long sought Higgs particle
or if it is indeed something completely new.
But actually this experiment was built for another main purpose
which was to discover if there are new forces in physics.
We all know gravity, for example,
but there are also other forces
such as electro-magnetic forces in the universe.
But maybe there are other forces we do not know about
and this could be discovered here.
We could also discover completely new spatial dimensions
which might be very small
meaning till now we haven't been able to see them,
but with a tool like the Large Hadron Collider and this experiment
we can use them like a giant microscope
and look deep into nature
and we hope to find something very new.
For example it is imaginable
that gravity becomes a very, very strong force.
Much stronger than we are used to it when we go to very small distances.
For example: when you smash 2 protons
against each other as it is done in the LHC
then you really come to very, very small distances.
And it is possible that gravity becomes very strong.
So if gravity becomes strong then we can also create mini black holes.
Microscopic black holes.
So this would be a spectacular
new signature for up to now unknown physics.
It's a constant struggle
and of course sometimes the kids complain,
'Mummy there's nothing to eat!' but I'm not alone
and one has to get all the help one can.
I think even if the family suffers, in the end
they see how enthusiastic we are
and they see that we've achieved
something really satisfying that can show new ways
and normally families understand.
But I should also say there have been lots of divorces at CERN,
mainly because of just too much work.
People are enthusiastic though,
these are not people that come at 9 and leave at 5
and look at their watch, they really like to spend the time here
and put in all the means possible to get results
and also to get personal satisfaction.
This centre is at CERN and has essentially two main and very important connections.
One connection brings us to the experiment,
so essentially the main flux of data is from the experiments to here.
So when beams collide,
the results of the collision are recorded,
filtered through different levels of filtering
and eventually they are shipped here via a dedicated network.
So this is the first connection.
Data arrives here and is stored and ready to be immediately analysed.
This is just the first part of the analysis,
we call it 'general reconstruction'.
The idea here is that
from the raw data
which we receive from the experiments
we reconstruct, for example, trajectories, from which you can
identify particles and assign them energies and directions.
This data is also shipped outside.
They are shipped directly from CERN to important computer centres,
more or less comparable to this one
which in turn redistribute data to other places
like universities or university type facilities
where the final analysis will be done
or other activities connected with analysis of the data.
I think one can visualize data coming from the experiment,
being stored, used for initial reconstruction and also distributed.
So this is the backbone of our activity.
I was born in 1964,
and, talking with people of my age,
came to the conclusion that the Apollo period
end of the 60's beginning of the 70's had a big influence on us.
Initially it was a big fascination with astronomy and astronauts
which eventually, getting older, became an interest in physics and so on.
I think there's a specific correlation between astronomy, physics
and that period of space exploration.
On one side there's astronomy with gigantic distances,
worlds you can not really visit directly, and there's particle physics
which is a kind of mirror image, you go smaller and smaller.
So you find worlds which are really fascinating, strange sometimes, bizarre
but it's clearly one of the things
which moved me to go into physics.
And now, even if I'm more in computing, there's a pride in saying
these experiments are something really interesting, really cool,
and we are making our small contribution.
I think for somebody with a physics background that CERN,
even if they move on, keeps this fascination.
It's our home.
It's our dream place.
I think it is so.
We have our own fire brigade.
We have our own emergency services.
Actually we are like a city, and this is the challenge also in my job,
because you asked me in the beginning where we are here.
I have to, we have to manage a small city,
and to give you an idea of what I mean by city
we have roughly 10,800 guest scientists
coming from all over the world,
One hundred and twenty nationalities, we have roughly 2,500 staff,
we have 500 postdocs, 500 students and apprentices.
So it's a population and needs accommodation and services
as any customer would need in a small city.
In some sense we are both an organisation like any other,
but we also provide our own legislation, if you like.
Because the convention gives us the right
and also the obligation to handle certain things ourselves.
For example, if we fix our salaries we cannot simply do it,
we have to do it according to
the rules approved by our 20 member states.
In some sense we're a kind of state in the states.
What we need is a long breath.
This is sometimes a problem if you discuss things with politicians.
They're used to working in horizons of 3 - 5 years.
They expect a return on investment which is more or less immediate.
Immediate means tomorrow.
But we have seen by the example of the world wide web
which was invented here at CERN,
you need on average at least 10 - 15 years
between the first basic ideas
and the first industrial product.
So, I'm a theoretical physicist.
My job is to come up with some ideas,
some possible explanations,
then I try to understand what are the consequences
of these ideas and how you can test these ideas using experimental result.
In particular, experimental results being obtained now in this LHC,
this big machine that has been built here at CERN
which is working pretty well at the moment.
Good ideas can come at any moment and you have to be ready.
It can be dangerous too!
If you have an idea while you're driving your car
you have to keep your ideas.
When you getting back home to take a little piece of paper
to writing down your ideas and try to finish your computation.
Most of the time you make mistakes
but from time to time you are right and you understand something new.
That's fantastic, it's a good feeling when you come home in the evening
you're feeling very good
because you know more than in the morning.
The feeling of having thought of something
nobody has done before
is what's really exciting about research.
For a few moments you are the only person on earth
who has a clear understanding of a problem.
Discovering the Higgs-Boson is not like discovering yet another particle.
What we are really after is trying to understand some fundamental laws,
some fundamental principles that govern the universe.
So for a very long time one main theme of particle physics
and theoretical physics was the Gauge principle.
So the Gauge principle is really the process that explains
how particles interact with each other with the exchange of the Gauge-Boson.
And maybe with the discovery of the Higgs-Boson we are about to discover
a new fundamental principle of nature that could really govern
how the universe is structured.
But again, we are not so much interested in new particles.
What we really want to understand is
'what is the principle behind these new particles?'
Is the discovery of the new particle
telling me something more fundamental about nature:
is there a new space-time dimension,
is there a new interaction...
a fundamental interaction between those particles.
That's really what we are about.
I mean, the fact that till now we understand interaction
as the exchange of Gauge-Bosom,
that was a really big step forward in the understanding of nature.
But still there are a few things that we don't quite understand.
For instance the fact that electro-magnetism is described
by one particular symmetry of nature, there is a weak interaction
which is described by another symmetry, there is a strong interaction,
yet another symmetry.
Why those particular symmetries?
Is there something deeper behind those symmetries,
a bigger symmetry for instance?
That will unify all those symmetries associated to the different interactions.
And, yeah, we are trying to understand these kinds of things.
We have good ideas but we still don't know if our ideas are true or not.
I mean, I'm not a physicist
and I used to say I'm here to develop the toys for physicists.
So I'm involved with the machines.
There are several people at CERN
who decide what has to be done on the physics' side
and we are responsible for developing the tools
for these people to carry out their research.
There is not really hierarchies here at CERN,
at least that’s my feeling,
there are people from the physics side
deciding what has to be done
and we're here to provide them
with the required tools to be able to investigate
what they are looking for so there is no real hierarchies,
there are different specialties at CERN
in the technical part.
Our section is MDT,
my section leader used to translate that to Making Dreams True.
People ask for dedicated tools
and we are here to try to develop these tools.
We are presently working on the new generation
of superconducting magnets using new technology,
Niobium 3 Tin (Nb3Sn) superconducting cables,
in order to reach a higher field that will be required
for the upgrade of the luminosity of the LHC.
The magnets presently installed in the LHC
are based on Niobium Titanium technology
and will reach the limit of the magnetic field that can be reached
with this kind of superconductor.
For example we're working on a new dipole
with 100mm Bohr and 13 Tesla.
And to give you a rough idea of what this represents,
the required niobium cable to produce one coil
is around 100,000 Swiss francs per coil
and we need 4 coils inside.
You only need a few seconds to destroy the cable so,
this is quite difficult to deal with.
We're working with superconductivity
so the magnets we have to test have to cool down
to a very low temperature, in this case to 4.2 kelvin
or to an even lower temperature which is 1.9 kelvin.
To do that you need a kind of thermos,
a vessel that is well insulated from the outside which is very warm
with respect to the magnet.
Basically you have a 300 kelvin difference
which would be the same as saying 300 degrees
because it's a relative number.
So then you have to make sure the heat 'inleak' is kept to a minimum.
So we build equipment
which is essentially made up of a vessel itself
in which we can put the magnet, then obviously we close it
and we can access it by liquid
which is in this case liquid helium
and cool it down to 4.2k.
Then we have to connect the power to this equipment
because obviously the power generation is on the surface
and a nominal 20 degree temperature is in the hall.
So you have to bring the current into the magnet through this vessel.
This vessel also helps us make the interface
between the magnet and outside.
And then obviously we have all the information coming out
which is in the form of wires and we plug them into
and then we have a control room behind us
where we get the information visible on computers in a graphical way,
in such a way that we can analyse it later on.
So that is essentially what we have here behind me
and basically you have three test stations of this type,
so three units, which are nearly independent one from another.
Well, my whole family is here
because I have to say my husband works at CERN,
my husband works in the same area as me, so also magnets.
And ok, that's life, we have a three year old child
and she goes to the kindergarten at CERN.
So in the morning we come as a family to CERN
and are dispatched all over the three sites:
My husband works in the French area,
I work between the Swiss part and the French part,
still in French territory,
and my daughter is on the Swiss side in kindergarten.
Yeah.
My husband also has another son,
he's in the control room.
I also have a brother-in-law
in the ATLAS detector,
so we are really all a family.
Well,
when you say we have to leave some space for the imagination,
you assume that what we are doing is enough to understand the world,
how the universe works, I'm not so sure.
I think that...
We are in a territory where we are
so close to understanding the complete picture
that it has become very, very hard to improve.
I'm not at all convinced
that the big steps we make
are big enough
to get rid of the space that remains there.
I think we're on the top but now it progresses very slowly.
I think we are still far away,
I'm not sure it will come next year
where we explain Higgs and the dream is real.
No, I think we will find elements that will bring us closer,
that's the idea, I believe,
but I'm not convinced that we will understand the complete picture.
You might know there is a principle called the Anthropic Principle
which says nature and the laws of nature
were designed only to make it possible for humans to exist.
But I doubt.
Of course, we also realize that science and physics
is only one perspective of understanding reality and nature.
I had a long discussion here with the Pope, when he visited CERN,
not the present or previous Pope, it was John Paul II,
who visited the CERN.
I discussed with him,
can there be a conflict between science, physics, and religion
and we agreed, no, there cannot be a conflict.
He agreed to that.
So I asked him, if you agree why don't you rehabilitate Galileo?
I said, look, if you have a plate, a dinner plate,
and you look at it from the top, you would say it's a circle.
If you look at it from the side, you wouldn't say it's a circle,
you would say it's a line.
So they are two conflicting perspectives and you could ask forever
'Is it a line, or is it a circle?'
So that's what religion and science does with reality,
they are looking at different projections of reality.
They see it differently
but they are two projections of the same reality.
It takes a long time to clarify a certain concept.
How do we define something.
The real imaginative nature of science is
in creating a consensus
which is necessary to find the laws of nature.
Maybe these concepts are not unique,
there might be other ways to describe nature by different concepts.
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