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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:19,728 --> 00:00:21,018 [woman] Raise your hand, please. 2 00:00:21,104 --> 00:00:23,524 Do you swear the testimony  you're about to give in this matter 3 00:00:23,606 --> 00:00:24,896 shall be the truth, whole truth, 4 00:00:24,983 --> 00:00:26,693 -and nothing but the truth? -Yes, ma'am. 5 00:00:28,903 --> 00:00:30,913 [lawyer 1] Would you please state your full name? 6 00:00:30,989 --> 00:00:33,319 It's Jeffrey Edward Epstein, 7 00:00:33,408 --> 00:00:36,488 and my residence address is 6100 Red Hook Boulevard 8 00:00:36,578 --> 00:00:37,788 in Virgin Islands. 9 00:00:38,329 --> 00:00:41,709 [lawyer 1] Do you maintain any other residences presently? 10 00:00:42,333 --> 00:00:44,713 I have vacation homes in New Mexico... 11 00:00:45,253 --> 00:00:48,513 uh... Palm Beach, New York and Paris. 12 00:00:50,925 --> 00:00:53,175 [lawyer 1] Have you ever been convicted of a crime? 13 00:00:53,678 --> 00:00:54,508 Yes. 14 00:00:55,096 --> 00:00:57,966 [lawyer 1] What was the crime of which you were convicted? 15 00:00:59,434 --> 00:01:02,814 [stammering] Uh... Two, uh, counts. One soliciting prostitution, 16 00:01:03,313 --> 00:01:05,323 and procuring a minor for prostitution. 17 00:01:09,569 --> 00:01:11,779 [lawyer 1] Did you in fact commit those acts? 18 00:01:12,363 --> 00:01:14,283 I'm going to invoke my Fifth Amendment right. 19 00:01:14,365 --> 00:01:17,785 [lawyer 1] How many times have you solicited a minor for prostitution? 20 00:01:18,244 --> 00:01:19,084 Same answer. 21 00:01:19,162 --> 00:01:22,082 [lawyer 1] How many times have you solicited a minor for prostitution 22 00:01:22,165 --> 00:01:24,415 -in the State of Florida? -Same answer. 23 00:01:24,501 --> 00:01:28,131 [lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited a minor for prostitution in the Virgin Islands? 24 00:01:28,963 --> 00:01:29,803 Same answer. 25 00:01:30,882 --> 00:01:33,592 [lawyer 1] That is that you are invoking your Fifth Amendment... 26 00:01:33,676 --> 00:01:34,506 -Yes. -...right? 27 00:01:34,594 --> 00:01:35,474 Yes, Mr. [inaudible]. 28 00:01:35,553 --> 00:01:38,223 [lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited for prostitution in New York? 29 00:01:38,890 --> 00:01:39,810 Same answer. 30 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:43,563 [lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited for prostitution in New Mexico? 31 00:01:43,978 --> 00:01:44,848 Same answer. 32 00:01:44,938 --> 00:01:47,688 [lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited for prostitution in Paris? 33 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:49,228 Same answer. 34 00:01:49,317 --> 00:01:53,607 [lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited a minor for prostitution anywhere at any time? 35 00:01:53,696 --> 00:01:55,526 Again, I'm going to assert my right. 36 00:01:55,990 --> 00:01:58,080 [lawyer 2] Let's take a break. We'll go off the record. 37 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:00,659 [lawyer 1] So you are terminating the deposition at this time? 38 00:02:00,745 --> 00:02:02,405 [lawyer 2] We are recessing the deposition. 39 00:02:02,497 --> 00:02:03,497 [unintelligible dialogue] 40 00:02:52,463 --> 00:02:56,183 [police siren wailing] 41 00:03:05,226 --> 00:03:06,476 I'm Vicky Ward. 42 00:03:06,686 --> 00:03:08,306 I'm an investigative journalist. 43 00:03:08,396 --> 00:03:14,106 I wrote a story about Jeffrey Epstein for Vanity Fair back in 2003. 44 00:03:15,695 --> 00:03:19,025 I heard about Jeffrey Epstein, actually, 45 00:03:19,115 --> 00:03:22,115 long before I was asked to write about him 46 00:03:22,452 --> 00:03:24,372 because he was known 47 00:03:24,454 --> 00:03:29,504 as this sort of Gatsby-like figure of mystery in New York. 48 00:03:32,212 --> 00:03:34,172 He was this single guy, 49 00:03:34,255 --> 00:03:36,965 very wealthy, very good-looking, 50 00:03:37,425 --> 00:03:40,715 and people knew that he had made a lot of money, 51 00:03:40,803 --> 00:03:43,353 but they didn't know how. 52 00:03:44,766 --> 00:03:47,936 He claimed to be the money manager for the uber-rich. 53 00:03:48,394 --> 00:03:53,274 People knew that he hung out with a lot of famous people: 54 00:03:53,691 --> 00:03:55,111 Prince Andrew, 55 00:03:56,110 --> 00:03:57,280 Bill Clinton, 56 00:03:57,904 --> 00:04:01,704 a lot of famous academics, the lawyer Alan Dershowitz, 57 00:04:02,617 --> 00:04:06,577 and that he was always surrounded by very beautiful, 58 00:04:06,663 --> 00:04:08,543 often very young, women. 59 00:04:10,166 --> 00:04:15,256 I knew Ghislaine Maxwell, his then supposed girlfriend. 60 00:04:15,755 --> 00:04:17,875 She was Oxford educated, 61 00:04:18,549 --> 00:04:20,219 very witty, very funny. 62 00:04:21,052 --> 00:04:24,062 She was a great connector for Jeffrey. 63 00:04:26,015 --> 00:04:31,345 Graydon Carter, who was then the editor of Vanity Fair, said to me, 64 00:04:31,437 --> 00:04:34,437 "I've been hearing about this guy, Jeffrey Epstein, 65 00:04:35,066 --> 00:04:38,526 for years, but no one knows anything about him." 66 00:04:39,362 --> 00:04:41,782 And so he gave me the story. 67 00:04:42,490 --> 00:04:44,030 It was a society piece. 68 00:04:44,117 --> 00:04:46,657 It wasn't supposed to be anything more than that. 69 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:49,211 But right away... 70 00:04:50,081 --> 00:04:52,671 there was a red flag. 71 00:04:54,544 --> 00:04:56,344 One of my sources said, 72 00:04:56,587 --> 00:05:01,337 "I know a woman who had a very unpleasant experience 73 00:05:01,843 --> 00:05:03,433 working with Jeffrey. 74 00:05:03,886 --> 00:05:05,306 And even worse, 75 00:05:05,388 --> 00:05:09,848 her younger sister was abused by him when she was underage. 76 00:05:10,685 --> 00:05:12,895 Maybe they will talk to you." 77 00:05:13,563 --> 00:05:16,773 And, obviously, this took what had primarily been 78 00:05:17,358 --> 00:05:19,818 a business investigation 79 00:05:19,902 --> 00:05:21,242 in a whole... 80 00:05:22,071 --> 00:05:24,371 different... direction. 81 00:05:36,627 --> 00:05:41,087 [woman] I began painting my senior year of college. 82 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:47,474 I just dedicated myself to painting constantly. 83 00:05:49,223 --> 00:05:51,933 I looked at it like I was an Olympic athlete, 84 00:05:52,018 --> 00:05:55,308 and I was just working all the time, you know, training. 85 00:05:55,396 --> 00:06:00,226 And then I was just giving myself the fresh mind every time to the canvas. 86 00:06:03,905 --> 00:06:05,695 This is my graduate school, 87 00:06:05,782 --> 00:06:07,452 the New York Academy of Art. 88 00:06:07,533 --> 00:06:09,663 I graduated in 1995, 89 00:06:09,744 --> 00:06:15,044 and the night of our graduation, actually, you usually have an art show, 90 00:06:15,708 --> 00:06:18,338 and Eileen Guggenheim used to be the Dean of Students, 91 00:06:18,419 --> 00:06:19,499 and she would run it. 92 00:06:23,716 --> 00:06:26,836 At this show, I decided to enter a triptych. 93 00:06:27,261 --> 00:06:30,931 So that's three paintings, and it was the Alice in Wonderland series. 94 00:06:32,475 --> 00:06:36,305 The show is phenomenal for me. All three of my paintings sold right away. 95 00:06:37,563 --> 00:06:39,863 The first painting I sold for $14,000, 96 00:06:40,358 --> 00:06:43,318 and then the other two for $12,000 apiece. 97 00:06:43,861 --> 00:06:46,821 And I was really, obviously, excited, 98 00:06:47,281 --> 00:06:50,031 but Eileen then walked over to me, 99 00:06:50,827 --> 00:06:53,407 and Eileen's literally like twisting my arm, 100 00:06:53,496 --> 00:06:55,706 and she says, "This couple right here is 101 00:06:55,790 --> 00:06:57,540 who is going to buy your art. Do you hear me?" 102 00:06:57,625 --> 00:07:00,495 And I said, "Well, I've already sold it." 103 00:07:00,586 --> 00:07:01,876 And she said, "That's too bad. 104 00:07:01,963 --> 00:07:05,723 You're gonna tell them that it's not sold, and you're selling to this couple. 105 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,430 They're very important benefactors of the Academy." 106 00:07:08,511 --> 00:07:14,431 And Eileen says, "This is Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, my dearest friends. 107 00:07:14,517 --> 00:07:16,477 And they're just completely delighted, 108 00:07:16,561 --> 00:07:19,811 and you will be selling to them, and they will get a discount." 109 00:07:20,064 --> 00:07:23,404 And so I got 6,000 instead of 12,000 that night. 110 00:07:23,818 --> 00:07:27,448 And Jeffrey Epstein said, "Don't worry. We'll make it worth your while. 111 00:07:28,781 --> 00:07:29,621 Don't worry." 112 00:07:33,077 --> 00:07:37,577 I didn't see or hear from Jeffrey for a couple of months. 113 00:07:37,665 --> 00:07:41,875 And one day the phone rang, and he said, "I have a great job for you." 114 00:07:43,212 --> 00:07:46,592 Jeffrey had just acquired this mansion on 71st Street. 115 00:07:47,550 --> 00:07:51,140 He told me, "This is your new job. You're going to be managing the door, 116 00:07:51,220 --> 00:07:54,220 and you're going to be managing the people coming and going, 117 00:07:54,307 --> 00:07:56,807 the decorators, the visitors." 118 00:07:58,269 --> 00:08:01,439 One day Jeffrey Epstein said, "I would like to know 119 00:08:01,522 --> 00:08:02,942 how many siblings you have." 120 00:08:03,024 --> 00:08:05,654 And I described that I had two sisters, 121 00:08:06,068 --> 00:08:09,738 and I told him  that my sister Annie was very intelligent 122 00:08:09,822 --> 00:08:14,872 and has hopes and dreams for a career, probably in Ivy League. 123 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:20,369 [Annie Farmer] I was 16 years old, and it was my junior year in high school. 124 00:08:20,833 --> 00:08:23,463 Maria was living in Manhattan 125 00:08:23,544 --> 00:08:26,674 and had told us that she'd gotten a job, a great job, 126 00:08:26,756 --> 00:08:28,836 working for this man, Jeffrey Epstein, 127 00:08:28,925 --> 00:08:31,835 and that he might be interested in helping me in some way. 128 00:08:33,012 --> 00:08:35,312 He had proposed it would be helpful for me 129 00:08:35,389 --> 00:08:37,639 to go on some kind of international trip 130 00:08:37,725 --> 00:08:40,845 to Thailand and Vietnam in order to build up my résumé 131 00:08:40,937 --> 00:08:43,727 and to be more appealing for a competitive school. 132 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:47,360 He agreed that he would pay for that trip. 133 00:08:47,443 --> 00:08:49,573 At the time, it was very... 134 00:08:49,654 --> 00:08:52,074 [laughing] It seemed very expensive, you know, so... 135 00:08:52,156 --> 00:08:55,486 um... I was just feeling really grateful for that. 136 00:09:03,459 --> 00:09:05,749 The trip was supposed to be that summer in July, 137 00:09:05,836 --> 00:09:12,256 and so he suggested that I come out to meet him and Ghislaine Maxwell 138 00:09:12,343 --> 00:09:14,603 at their ranch in New Mexico. 139 00:09:15,429 --> 00:09:18,139 My mom's understanding of what that trip would be was 140 00:09:18,224 --> 00:09:20,944 a chance for me to meet some other students 141 00:09:21,018 --> 00:09:23,348 who would also be going on similar trips. 142 00:09:24,564 --> 00:09:28,944 But when I got there, I realized I was the only one there staying with them. 143 00:09:30,027 --> 00:09:32,407 They showed me around the property. 144 00:09:32,488 --> 00:09:35,618 It was part of building up this sense of, like, look at who I am, 145 00:09:35,700 --> 00:09:38,870 look at all that I have, be impressed by me. 146 00:09:41,330 --> 00:09:44,420 Ghislaine was very interested in whether I had ever had a massage before, 147 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:47,000 like a professional massage, and I had not. 148 00:09:47,628 --> 00:09:48,918 It was really presented as, like, 149 00:09:49,005 --> 00:09:52,755 you're so lucky that you get to do this, to, you know, get this massage. 150 00:09:57,221 --> 00:09:59,141 She told me to undress, 151 00:09:59,223 --> 00:10:01,813 and there was a table there with a sheet on it. 152 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,650 You know, a portion of it was just pretty typical, um... 153 00:10:07,732 --> 00:10:13,242 but there was a time when she had me lay on my back, 154 00:10:13,571 --> 00:10:18,531 and she, you know, pulled the sheet down so that my breasts were exposed. 155 00:10:19,744 --> 00:10:23,254 Because of the layout of the house and the doors that were open, 156 00:10:23,331 --> 00:10:25,081 I knew that Epstein could see me. 157 00:10:25,833 --> 00:10:30,053 I think the way that she rubbed my chest in, you know, 158 00:10:30,129 --> 00:10:32,299 in the massage also was inappropriate. 159 00:10:34,967 --> 00:10:37,427 The scariest moment of the weekend was 160 00:10:37,511 --> 00:10:41,181 when he came into my bedroom in the morning 161 00:10:41,265 --> 00:10:43,385 and said that he would like to cuddle. 162 00:10:45,102 --> 00:10:47,562 He crawled into bed with me. 163 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,740 And, um... you know, was touching me, 164 00:10:52,818 --> 00:10:55,318 and I don't remember how long that lasted 165 00:10:55,404 --> 00:10:58,034 because I was sort of checking out a bit. 166 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:03,659 But I remember making an excuse like I needed to go to the bathroom. 167 00:11:03,746 --> 00:11:06,076 Got out of bed, and, like, went into the bathroom, 168 00:11:06,165 --> 00:11:07,995 and kind of shut the door, and was... 169 00:11:08,918 --> 00:11:12,208 you know, very scared of what was going on. 170 00:11:13,756 --> 00:11:15,716 And afterwards, I just avoided it. 171 00:11:16,133 --> 00:11:20,143 I didn't tell my closest friends, and I didn't tell Maria and my family, 172 00:11:20,221 --> 00:11:21,721 and I just thought, 173 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:23,806 "I'm going to focus on this trip this summer." 174 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:27,805 And I went to Thailand and Vietnam. 175 00:11:32,149 --> 00:11:34,189 [Maria Farmer] Annie was on this program in Thailand, 176 00:11:34,276 --> 00:11:39,066 and I received a call from Jeffrey saying that we want to help you with your career. 177 00:11:39,448 --> 00:11:42,658 So I was asked to go do an artist-in-residency. 178 00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:46,410 I was to go to Ohio, 179 00:11:46,497 --> 00:11:50,747 and I would be living in this 26,000 square foot home 180 00:11:51,085 --> 00:11:52,745 behind Les Wexner's house. 181 00:11:53,462 --> 00:11:56,262 When I asked Jeffrey who Les Wexner was, 182 00:11:56,590 --> 00:11:59,300 he said, "He is my client and my very good friend, 183 00:11:59,385 --> 00:12:01,135 who happens to be a billionaire, 184 00:12:01,220 --> 00:12:02,890 and he would do anything for me." 185 00:12:03,389 --> 00:12:08,269 So I drove a Penske truck to Ohio because I took all of my art supplies. 186 00:12:09,687 --> 00:12:10,597 I set up shop, 187 00:12:11,188 --> 00:12:12,438 and I started painting. 188 00:12:12,857 --> 00:12:16,527 These paintings were paintings  about puberty, 189 00:12:17,111 --> 00:12:19,411 girls partially nude, 190 00:12:19,488 --> 00:12:22,368 voyeuristic kind of private moments, 191 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:23,660 but not sexual. 192 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,120 My process is that I take photographs, and I work from them. 193 00:12:28,205 --> 00:12:31,205 And I was using my two sisters as the models. 194 00:12:34,545 --> 00:12:37,085 So, Jeffrey and Ghislaine came to visit one day. 195 00:12:37,465 --> 00:12:40,215 [insects buzzing] 196 00:12:40,301 --> 00:12:43,641 [Maria] That night, Ghislaine came and got me and said, 197 00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:45,931 "Jeffrey would like to have his feet rubbed." 198 00:12:46,348 --> 00:12:47,728 And my stomach sank. 199 00:12:48,267 --> 00:12:50,897 I felt like, "Gosh, I don't want them to think I'm not grateful, 200 00:12:50,978 --> 00:12:53,058 but this is so inappropriate," you know? 201 00:12:53,481 --> 00:12:56,611 And so I... [groans] rubbed his feet for a little while... 202 00:12:57,735 --> 00:12:59,565 and he said, "Come up here." 203 00:13:00,863 --> 00:13:04,373 Then he patted over here for me to sit next to him. 204 00:13:04,867 --> 00:13:07,367 Then Ghislaine sat down on the other side of me. 205 00:13:08,287 --> 00:13:10,657 Jeffrey immediately was doing this. 206 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,000 Like, it was really mechanical and bizarre, 207 00:13:14,084 --> 00:13:17,254 and Ghislaine then was doing this on me. 208 00:13:17,338 --> 00:13:20,548 And then they were touching me in different ways on my chest. 209 00:13:22,218 --> 00:13:24,638 It didn't feel right at all, and I didn't like it. 210 00:13:25,971 --> 00:13:28,391 I kind of had like, you know, some tears, 211 00:13:28,474 --> 00:13:30,484 and she goes, "Shh, it's gonna be okay." 212 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,189 And she was like really with her other hand, like, 213 00:13:33,270 --> 00:13:34,980 rubbing on my hand 214 00:13:35,064 --> 00:13:37,274 and telling me that it was going to be okay. 215 00:13:38,859 --> 00:13:40,949 I had escaped my body at that point. 216 00:13:41,028 --> 00:13:44,568 I wasn't really in that moment at all. 217 00:13:45,491 --> 00:13:46,951 And at some point, 218 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:50,250 I was able to like catapult my body out of that bed. 219 00:13:51,455 --> 00:13:53,745 I went to my room, and I barricaded my door. 220 00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:55,883 I put a piece of furniture against it. 221 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,840 Just kind of huddled up in that room 222 00:13:58,087 --> 00:14:00,547 until Jeffrey and Ghislaine left that morning. 223 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:05,969 When I woke up, I went and checked to see 224 00:14:06,053 --> 00:14:08,563 if my photographs of my sisters were there, 225 00:14:09,056 --> 00:14:11,476 and realized three photographs had been stolen. 226 00:14:11,892 --> 00:14:13,192 And I was freaking out. 227 00:14:13,394 --> 00:14:14,944 So, I called Annie. 228 00:14:16,814 --> 00:14:20,484 [Annie] My sister confronted me about whether anything had happened to me 229 00:14:20,568 --> 00:14:22,438 when I was at the ranch. 230 00:14:22,736 --> 00:14:26,196 I told her things that had made me really uncomfortable had happened, 231 00:14:26,282 --> 00:14:28,282 but I really don't want to talk about it. 232 00:14:29,451 --> 00:14:32,501 [Maria] I said, "Listen, you're never going to have to deal with them again. 233 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:33,410 Do not worry. 234 00:14:33,747 --> 00:14:35,827 I am so sorry you were exposed to this." 235 00:14:37,001 --> 00:14:42,381 It was just a very uncomfortable feeling to know that he had these photos of us, 236 00:14:42,715 --> 00:14:43,545 and... 237 00:14:44,341 --> 00:14:46,641 in particular of my younger sister 238 00:14:46,719 --> 00:14:49,259 because she was just 12 when those photos were taken. 239 00:14:49,346 --> 00:14:50,256 And... 240 00:14:50,973 --> 00:14:53,063 it was just so... 241 00:14:53,642 --> 00:14:54,522 um... 242 00:14:55,185 --> 00:14:58,055 It was just upsetting to know that he had those photos, 243 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:01,440 and to never know what happened to them or how he was using them. 244 00:15:02,276 --> 00:15:04,776 He could be using them to sexually please himself. 245 00:15:10,326 --> 00:15:12,486 [Maria] So the next day, Jeffrey called me, 246 00:15:12,578 --> 00:15:14,368 and he tried to pretend like 247 00:15:14,455 --> 00:15:17,115 it was a really fun time he'd had the night before, 248 00:15:17,541 --> 00:15:19,841 and he tried to kind of play it off like that. 249 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:21,629 And I said, "That wasn't fun for me." 250 00:15:22,046 --> 00:15:24,876 And then he offered to give me basically what I wanted 251 00:15:24,965 --> 00:15:28,175 to not make a stink about everything, just, "What do you want?" 252 00:15:28,594 --> 00:15:31,764 Like, "How much money do you want? What can I do for you?" 253 00:15:32,181 --> 00:15:33,101 Um... 254 00:15:33,515 --> 00:15:36,515 And I s... I didn't say anything. I hung up on him. 255 00:15:38,854 --> 00:15:41,654 When I got back to New York City, 256 00:15:41,732 --> 00:15:44,692 I told the NYPD everything that had happened. 257 00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:47,067 I told them I'd been assaulted. And they said, 258 00:15:47,154 --> 00:15:50,664 "It's just not in our jurisdiction. Like, we have nothing to do with this. 259 00:15:50,741 --> 00:15:53,541 These things happened in Ohio, New Mexico. 260 00:15:53,619 --> 00:15:55,079 You're gonna have to call the FBI." 261 00:15:56,372 --> 00:16:00,542 When I called the FBI, I laid it out very specifically. 262 00:16:00,834 --> 00:16:02,714 I said, "I'm reporting these people: 263 00:16:02,795 --> 00:16:04,955 Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell." 264 00:16:05,547 --> 00:16:08,757 I told them everything, and I could tell that he believed me. 265 00:16:08,842 --> 00:16:12,052 So, I really had believed that he was going to take care of this. 266 00:16:12,805 --> 00:16:15,425 And then we just actually did not hear back. 267 00:16:22,106 --> 00:16:27,646 [Vicky Ward] Because these sisters had been ignored for so long, 268 00:16:27,736 --> 00:16:31,986 they were very, very frightened of going on the record, 269 00:16:32,491 --> 00:16:37,791 speaking up about what Jeffrey would do to them. 270 00:16:38,414 --> 00:16:39,714 Part of them, understandably, 271 00:16:39,790 --> 00:16:43,040 just thought they could never fight  against a man of his power. 272 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:51,085 We proceed, very reluctantly after a family decision, 273 00:16:51,427 --> 00:16:54,597 um... that we're going to do this thing. We're going to talk about this. 274 00:16:57,266 --> 00:16:59,476 [Ward] I spoke to the younger sister, 275 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,560 who was molested by him 276 00:17:01,645 --> 00:17:03,265 and lived in fear. 277 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:09,105 [Annie] So, after we had presented our story to Vicky, 278 00:17:09,194 --> 00:17:13,284 then Vanity Fair had to take this account to Epstein 279 00:17:13,365 --> 00:17:17,285 to essentially fact-check it and get his perspective and his side of things. 280 00:17:17,494 --> 00:17:19,964 And when they did that, he came back with his own story, 281 00:17:20,622 --> 00:17:23,882 which was we were in fact women that were infatuated with him. 282 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:27,093 And that's what this was coming out of. It was, 283 00:17:27,171 --> 00:17:30,091 you know, revenge for that being unrequited. 284 00:17:32,134 --> 00:17:35,144 [Ward] He would say, "Well, Vicky, if I don't like this piece, 285 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:37,970 it's going to be bad for you and your family." 286 00:17:38,766 --> 00:17:41,266 And I was newly pregnant with twins. 287 00:17:42,019 --> 00:17:44,189 He said, "Where are you giving birth?" 288 00:17:44,396 --> 00:17:45,686 He followed that up with, 289 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:47,943 "I know all the doctors in all the hospitals, 290 00:17:48,025 --> 00:17:50,235 so it doesn't matter. If you don't tell me, I'll find out. 291 00:17:50,652 --> 00:17:51,952 If I don't like this piece, 292 00:17:52,029 --> 00:17:55,699 I'm going to have a witch doctor place a curse on your unborn children." 293 00:17:59,161 --> 00:18:03,671 He was beginning to spook me out, and these are just conversations. 294 00:18:03,999 --> 00:18:05,829 So I could only imagine 295 00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:10,380 how the women must have felt. 296 00:18:11,006 --> 00:18:13,216 I got a phone call from Graydon. 297 00:18:13,801 --> 00:18:19,141 He was pretty spooked because he'd found a severed cat head in his garden. 298 00:18:19,681 --> 00:18:22,311 He also found a bullet on his doorstep. 299 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:26,060 And then suddenly, I was told by my editor 300 00:18:26,146 --> 00:18:29,316 that the girls were being taken out of the story. 301 00:18:30,317 --> 00:18:33,447 I was horrified. I said, "Why? They've been so brave. 302 00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:35,699 They've laid so much on the line. Why?" 303 00:18:36,448 --> 00:18:38,408 And the message came back, 304 00:18:38,492 --> 00:18:42,912 "Well, he's obviously sensitive about the girls. That's a sore point." 305 00:18:44,915 --> 00:18:46,995 I'll never forget Graydon Carter saying to me, 306 00:18:47,084 --> 00:18:48,544 "I believe Jeffrey Epstein." 307 00:18:55,676 --> 00:18:58,216 [Annie] I remember buying the copy of Vanity Fair 308 00:18:58,303 --> 00:19:01,973 and seeing the spread, you know, "The Talented Mr. Epstein." 309 00:19:02,516 --> 00:19:06,346 And it said nothing about any of his interest in girls. 310 00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:12,190 I think that Vanity Fair basically got bought off by Jeffrey. 311 00:19:20,909 --> 00:19:23,159 The excuse was, "Well, it's a business story." 312 00:19:23,245 --> 00:19:26,495 It was a business story, but, just like life, 313 00:19:26,582 --> 00:19:29,922 the story was more complicated, far more complicated. 314 00:19:40,846 --> 00:19:43,676 I cried in public. [laughs] 315 00:19:43,765 --> 00:19:44,595 Um... 316 00:19:45,309 --> 00:19:46,269 You know, 317 00:19:46,935 --> 00:19:47,765 so much work, 318 00:19:48,312 --> 00:19:49,612 so much bravery, 319 00:19:50,522 --> 00:19:51,572 and for what? 320 00:19:54,985 --> 00:19:58,815 [Annie] It seemed it was more evidence of the fact that he was powerful, 321 00:19:58,906 --> 00:20:01,576 and he could fix whatever thing came up. 322 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:07,865 [Ward] Jeffrey Epstein is the ultimate story 323 00:20:07,956 --> 00:20:12,246 of the abuse of power and money. 324 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:18,180 But, of course, what none of us knew was that the girls who I'd spoken to 325 00:20:18,592 --> 00:20:19,722 were only the tip... 326 00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:22,353 of the iceberg. 327 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,940 And it actually got even worse in Florida. 328 00:20:31,396 --> 00:20:35,066 [sinister music] 329 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:47,200 [man 1] Jeffrey Epstein bought his Palm Beach mansion in 1990. 330 00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:50,250 Epstein was new money. 331 00:20:50,624 --> 00:20:53,634 He didn't have generations of growing up there, 332 00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:56,206 sailing in the Intracoastal Waterway... 333 00:20:57,339 --> 00:20:58,799 but he had tons of new money. 334 00:20:58,882 --> 00:21:03,802 And if you have enough money, you can buy your way in to any society. 335 00:21:05,847 --> 00:21:09,137 There are things that have been true about Palm Beach since I was a kid. 336 00:21:10,352 --> 00:21:14,062 Some of the protectiveness, some of the clannishness... 337 00:21:14,606 --> 00:21:17,396 It's definitely a very insular world. 338 00:21:17,985 --> 00:21:20,565 There is almost a hermetic seal around it. 339 00:21:21,154 --> 00:21:24,124 It's not just an extremely wealthy zip code. 340 00:21:24,199 --> 00:21:25,029 It's an island. 341 00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:26,490 And I think that... 342 00:21:26,827 --> 00:21:31,287 it almost has a psychological effect on the very wealthy people who move there, 343 00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:32,793 or who have grown up there, 344 00:21:32,874 --> 00:21:35,964 or whose fathers or grandfathers bought estates there, 345 00:21:36,044 --> 00:21:39,554 because there's a sense of security, and safety, and privacy, 346 00:21:39,631 --> 00:21:41,261 and they like it that way. 347 00:21:44,261 --> 00:21:46,721 [man 2] Epstein and I essentially were neighbors. 348 00:21:48,432 --> 00:21:51,942 And why would Jeffrey Epstein... come here? 349 00:21:52,019 --> 00:21:53,399 You know, here it is. 350 00:21:53,937 --> 00:21:55,107 I mean, you're on the ocean. 351 00:21:55,605 --> 00:21:57,185 It's quiet and secluded. 352 00:22:01,153 --> 00:22:03,493 I came down here in 2007, 353 00:22:03,572 --> 00:22:08,702 and back then, there was very little known about Jeffrey Epstein. 354 00:22:09,578 --> 00:22:12,998 What people knew about him was that he was stunningly rich. 355 00:22:13,665 --> 00:22:17,085 The guy was living a life that most people dream about. 356 00:22:17,878 --> 00:22:21,468 He had a 15 to 20 million dollar house here in Palm Beach. 357 00:22:21,548 --> 00:22:24,468 He had one of the largest townhouses in New York City, 358 00:22:24,551 --> 00:22:26,891 a massive apartment in Paris, 359 00:22:26,970 --> 00:22:29,260 his own private island in the Caribbean, 360 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:31,888 a sprawling ranch in New Mexico, 361 00:22:32,309 --> 00:22:33,309 a helicopter, 362 00:22:33,393 --> 00:22:35,853 two airplanes, one a 727. 363 00:22:35,937 --> 00:22:39,017 [airplane engine roaring] 364 00:22:39,107 --> 00:22:40,687 That's the commercial side of the airport 365 00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:43,196 there where all the JetBlue and everyone else lands. 366 00:22:43,695 --> 00:22:47,065 But the west side of the airport is where all the private jets are. 367 00:22:47,532 --> 00:22:49,452 And that's where Jeffrey parked his jets. 368 00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:53,830 I was a reporter here for 25 years. I also lived over in Palm Beach. 369 00:22:53,914 --> 00:22:57,964 Covered the Epstein case extensively. This guy was a bit of a ghost down here. 370 00:22:58,043 --> 00:23:00,003 Nobody really saw him. Nobody knew him. 371 00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:03,880 In the '80s, he hit it out of the ballpark. 372 00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:07,551 A lot of powerful men liked him and trusted him to handle his money. 373 00:23:10,889 --> 00:23:14,229 Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump, they were both wealthy guys from New York, 374 00:23:14,309 --> 00:23:18,479 and they both ended up living a mile apart along billionaire's row in Palm Beach. 375 00:23:18,563 --> 00:23:22,193 They knew each other. Epstein frequented Mar-a-Lago for a time. 376 00:23:22,943 --> 00:23:26,613 There's now a widely circulated quote from Donald Trump, 377 00:23:26,696 --> 00:23:29,026 which he probably would like to reel back in, 378 00:23:29,116 --> 00:23:32,116 "I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. 379 00:23:32,202 --> 00:23:35,122 It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, 380 00:23:35,205 --> 00:23:37,535 and many of them are on the younger side." 381 00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:40,245 [Carl Hiaasen] Palm Beach is a very small town. 382 00:23:40,335 --> 00:23:43,955 It's almost impossible to conceive living there and moving in that world 383 00:23:44,047 --> 00:23:46,087 and not hearing rumors about Epstein 384 00:23:46,174 --> 00:23:50,304 or not being aware of something odd going on at Jeff's place. 385 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:52,930 [engine starting] 386 00:23:58,812 --> 00:24:02,152 I'm Michael Reiter. I've been here 38 years, 387 00:24:02,232 --> 00:24:04,442 on the Palm Beach Police Department for 28, 388 00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:09,606 and I was Police Chief in Palm Beach from 2001 through 2009. 389 00:24:10,198 --> 00:24:13,738 I first met Jeffrey Epstein somewhere around 2001. 390 00:24:14,077 --> 00:24:15,997 Epstein visited me in my office 391 00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:20,169 to talk about making a donation of equipment to the police department, 392 00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:22,500 which was nearly $100,000. 393 00:24:23,128 --> 00:24:26,468 It was a brief visit. It was just a little bit of chit-chat. 394 00:24:26,548 --> 00:24:30,338 My impression was that he was just a wealthy, very private guy. 395 00:24:32,095 --> 00:24:34,135 Nearly two years later, 396 00:24:34,431 --> 00:24:37,431 we received reports from his neighbors 397 00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:41,097 that there was a large number of young women 398 00:24:41,188 --> 00:24:43,318 going to and from his residence. 399 00:24:43,523 --> 00:24:44,983 We thought, "That's suspicious." 400 00:24:45,066 --> 00:24:47,316 We sent personnel to stop them 401 00:24:47,694 --> 00:24:48,864 and interview them. 402 00:24:49,613 --> 00:24:52,203 They were all adults, the three or four that we talked to, 403 00:24:52,282 --> 00:24:56,162 and they said that they were simply doing office work for Mr. Epstein. 404 00:24:56,828 --> 00:24:58,328 Since they were all adults, 405 00:24:58,413 --> 00:25:01,883 there didn't seem to be any further police interest. 406 00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:09,220 Then in 2005, 407 00:25:09,299 --> 00:25:12,049 the parent of a young girl called the police station. 408 00:25:12,135 --> 00:25:12,965 [dial tone] 409 00:25:13,053 --> 00:25:15,063 [dialing numbers] 410 00:25:15,555 --> 00:25:17,135 [telephone ringing] 411 00:25:17,224 --> 00:25:19,184 -[Pagan] Hello? -[stepmother] Hi, how are you? 412 00:25:19,267 --> 00:25:23,397 [Pagan] I'm good. I'm returning your call, I apologize. I don't know what for. 413 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,650 [stepmother] It's okay. It was an incident that occurred 414 00:25:25,732 --> 00:25:28,902 maybe three and a half weeks ago with one of my stepdaughters. 415 00:25:28,985 --> 00:25:33,405 One day at school, she got into a fight, and she had over $300 on her. 416 00:25:34,241 --> 00:25:37,241 So after asking her and asking her what was going on, 417 00:25:37,327 --> 00:25:39,697 I found out that it ended up being that 418 00:25:39,788 --> 00:25:41,668 they went to Palm Beach to a gentleman's house. 419 00:25:41,748 --> 00:25:44,918 And they start off by giving this gentleman a massage. 420 00:25:45,001 --> 00:25:45,921 And he pays them. 421 00:25:46,002 --> 00:25:48,422 If he likes them and thinks that they're pretty enough, 422 00:25:48,505 --> 00:25:50,965 -he keeps them around to do other things. -[Pagan] Okay. 423 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,300 [stepmother] So I wasn't quite sure  if there was an investigation 424 00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:55,506 or if you guys had any word-- 425 00:25:55,595 --> 00:25:58,265 [Pagan] Well, this is the first I'm hearing of it. 426 00:25:58,348 --> 00:26:01,018 -[stepmother] Okay. -[Pagan] I'll need some more information. 427 00:26:01,101 --> 00:26:03,101 Would your stepdaughter be willing to come in 428 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,150 to provide me with a statement? 429 00:26:06,189 --> 00:26:07,729 [Michael Reiter] When a juvenile reports 430 00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:11,356 that they have been a victim of a sex crime to the police department, 431 00:26:11,444 --> 00:26:13,244 we immediately take that very seriously. 432 00:26:13,989 --> 00:26:17,239 The parent was asked to bring the victim into the police station. 433 00:26:17,325 --> 00:26:19,485 A detective conducted an interview. 434 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:23,288 Immediately upon, uh... that victim's report to us, 435 00:26:23,373 --> 00:26:26,423 which we found very credible, we launched an investigation.  436 00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:31,715 The very first victim was about 14 years old at that time. 437 00:26:33,091 --> 00:26:37,011 We were able, from the interview, to figure out exactly where the house was. 438 00:26:37,804 --> 00:26:42,354 From the description the victim provided, it was clear that it was Mr. Epstein. 439 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,229 The case was assigned to our special investigations unit 440 00:26:47,647 --> 00:26:50,277 partly because of the nature of the crime, 441 00:26:50,358 --> 00:26:55,528 and partly because Mr. Epstein was a powerful, influential person. 442 00:26:57,032 --> 00:26:59,582 Joe Recarey was the lead investigator of the case. 443 00:27:00,076 --> 00:27:03,536 Unfortunately, Joe Recarey passed away a few years ago, 444 00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:07,002 but at the time, he believed there were other victims. 445 00:27:07,083 --> 00:27:09,093 So he began contacting them 446 00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:11,381 and listening to their stories. 447 00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:15,126 [Recarey] I appreciate you coming down to talk to me. 448 00:27:15,216 --> 00:27:17,136 -You're not in any trouble. -[Stephanie] Okay. 449 00:27:17,218 --> 00:27:19,178 [Recarey] I want to put that out there right now. 450 00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:22,139 -How did you meet Mr. Epstein? -[Stephanie] Through a friend. 451 00:27:22,515 --> 00:27:24,595 [Joyce] It was like two years ago or so. 452 00:27:24,684 --> 00:27:27,024 [Recarey] About two years ago? That's when you first met him? 453 00:27:27,103 --> 00:27:27,943 [Joyce] Yeah. Yeah. 454 00:27:28,563 --> 00:27:30,443 -[Recarey] You were 17 then? -[Sharon] Mm-hmm. 455 00:27:30,523 --> 00:27:33,363 [Recarey] What is it that you were told you would have to do? 456 00:27:33,943 --> 00:27:35,863 -[Sharon] Give him a massage. -[Recarey] Okay. 457 00:27:36,905 --> 00:27:40,025 [Recarey] During the massage, did he... um... 458 00:27:41,368 --> 00:27:43,538 ask you to remove your pants or... 459 00:27:45,246 --> 00:27:46,076 [Heather] Yes. 460 00:27:47,123 --> 00:27:50,293 [Reiter] Every victim told essentially the same story. 461 00:27:50,752 --> 00:27:53,132 They thought that they would give him a massage. 462 00:27:53,213 --> 00:27:55,093 That's what most of them were told. 463 00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:59,007 That's what lured them there for a small amount of money. 464 00:27:59,094 --> 00:28:02,064 [Recarey] What else happened when you were providing the massage? 465 00:28:02,138 --> 00:28:05,138 [Susan] He took the towel off, and he started pleasing himself, 466 00:28:05,225 --> 00:28:07,055 which I was very uncomfortable with. 467 00:28:07,143 --> 00:28:10,193 -I wanted to leave right when I got there. -[Recarey] Okay. 468 00:28:12,357 --> 00:28:16,737 [Reiter] Our biggest concern was that the victimization not to continue. 469 00:28:17,237 --> 00:28:19,857 That's why we started surveillance right away. 470 00:28:20,949 --> 00:28:22,579 We surveilled the airport... 471 00:28:22,659 --> 00:28:24,199 [camera shutter clicking] 472 00:28:25,203 --> 00:28:26,123 [Reiter] ...the house. 473 00:28:26,204 --> 00:28:27,914 [camera shutter clicking] 474 00:28:27,997 --> 00:28:30,167 [Reiter] As we found additional victims, 475 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:32,090 one victim would tell us about others, 476 00:28:32,168 --> 00:28:37,128 those others would tell us about others, and it began to multiply geometrically. 477 00:28:38,591 --> 00:28:41,551 [Recarey] Okay. First of all, I know this is hard on you, okay? 478 00:28:42,387 --> 00:28:43,927 Just take a deep breath. 479 00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:45,893 [Heather sighs] I'm trying. It's just... 480 00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:49,314 I wasn't aware that I was going to be alone with him for that ten minutes. 481 00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:50,904 And I thought I was gonna die. 482 00:28:52,147 --> 00:28:54,017 [Recarey] Did you have intercourse with him? 483 00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,106 -[Susan quietly] Yes. -[Recarey] Okay. 484 00:28:57,777 --> 00:28:59,107 [Reiter] After two or three months, 485 00:28:59,195 --> 00:29:02,905 we feared that this involved a really large number of victims. 486 00:29:08,621 --> 00:29:11,711 [Recarey] Can you raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, 487 00:29:11,791 --> 00:29:13,421 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, 488 00:29:13,501 --> 00:29:15,171 -so help you God? -[Michelle Licata] I do. 489 00:29:15,253 --> 00:29:18,343 -[Recarey] State your name for the record. -Michelle Licata. 490 00:29:20,091 --> 00:29:23,391 I found the calendar from December 2004... 491 00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:26,215 the month that I met Jeffrey Epstein. 492 00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:30,136 I wrote down my first party that I'd ever been to, 493 00:29:30,226 --> 00:29:33,686 talked to a boy 'til three o’clock in the morning. 494 00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:37,612 And then right before Christmas, that's the weekend that everything changed 495 00:29:37,692 --> 00:29:38,612 in my entire life. 496 00:29:41,821 --> 00:29:43,321 [Recarey] All right. In your own words, 497 00:29:43,406 --> 00:29:46,026 tell me exactly how you were introduced to this gentleman 498 00:29:46,117 --> 00:29:48,827 by the name of Jeffrey in, uh... Palm Beach. 499 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:52,042 [Licata] Um... My friend told me in class that... 500 00:29:52,749 --> 00:29:55,789 she could find a way of making money for Christmas. 501 00:29:56,628 --> 00:29:58,548 I didn't really know what she was talking about, 502 00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:59,800 but I was like, "Okay." 503 00:30:02,217 --> 00:30:03,637 [Licata] I was a good kid. 504 00:30:03,718 --> 00:30:06,718 I always thought that my life was just ordinary. 505 00:30:07,138 --> 00:30:09,558 I had seven kids in my family. 506 00:30:10,058 --> 00:30:12,138 -[male teacher] Michelle Licata. -[applause] 507 00:30:12,227 --> 00:30:14,647 [Licata] I was really good in school. 508 00:30:15,772 --> 00:30:17,112 I had a lot of friends. 509 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:18,530 [cheering] 510 00:30:18,608 --> 00:30:20,188 [Licata] In cheerleading, 511 00:30:20,693 --> 00:30:22,823 I got the Spirit Award. 512 00:30:23,363 --> 00:30:25,373 [crowd cheering] 513 00:30:26,157 --> 00:30:28,537 [Licata] Just a normal teenage girl. 514 00:30:28,993 --> 00:30:30,503 [woman] And what are we gonna do? 515 00:30:30,703 --> 00:30:32,003 We're gonna shop! 516 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:33,290 [woman laughing] 517 00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:38,132 [Licata] One day, this girl wrote me a note in class that said, 518 00:30:38,211 --> 00:30:42,341 "Do you want to make some extra money massaging old guys?" 519 00:30:42,423 --> 00:30:45,593 And I was like, "Okay, that seems weird. But okay." 520 00:30:46,928 --> 00:30:49,928 [Licata] She said to just go to this old guy's house 521 00:30:50,223 --> 00:30:54,063 and just massage him for 45 minutes, and you'll get like $200. 522 00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:58,190 -[Recarey] Okay. How old were you? -[Licata] Sixteen. 523 00:30:58,648 --> 00:30:59,478 [Recarey] Okay. 524 00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:05,486 [Licata] We're driving probably like a good 45-minute ride. 525 00:31:06,197 --> 00:31:11,157 We pulled into a big, expensive-looking mansion. 526 00:31:12,078 --> 00:31:14,208 Before we got out of the car, she said, 527 00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:18,079 "Okay, so if anybody asks, uh, you're over the age of 18, 528 00:31:18,167 --> 00:31:21,497 but I don't think anybody is going to ask, just if they do." 529 00:31:25,466 --> 00:31:28,426 I was only there for like maybe a minute or two, 530 00:31:28,511 --> 00:31:29,851 and then he walked in. 531 00:31:31,139 --> 00:31:33,139 He laid down on his stomach. 532 00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:35,936 He said, "Okay, there's some lotions over there 533 00:31:36,019 --> 00:31:40,109 if you wanted to start massaging my feet and my legs." 534 00:31:40,189 --> 00:31:45,949 He flipped over, and he was talking to me about, uh, the way that I looked. 535 00:31:46,321 --> 00:31:48,871 He was telling me how beautiful I was. 536 00:31:49,699 --> 00:31:53,409 I never thought I was the pretty girl in high school. 537 00:31:53,995 --> 00:31:55,615 I had braces, 538 00:31:55,705 --> 00:32:00,075 and for somebody to be pointing the spotlight at me, 539 00:32:00,209 --> 00:32:02,549 it was like, "Okay, he's giving me compliments. 540 00:32:02,629 --> 00:32:04,839 I never thought of myself that way." 541 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,339 And then he kind of was like... 542 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:14,220 grabbing my hip and kind of like maneuvering it 543 00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:16,057 so that he could look at me. 544 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:20,859 He was telling me to take off my shirt and pants. 545 00:32:21,272 --> 00:32:23,862 He's like, "You can get down into your underwear." 546 00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:26,947 You know, you start thinking, "Okay. So... 547 00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:29,488 if I try to leave or be like, 548 00:32:29,906 --> 00:32:33,446 'Uh, no, we're not going to do this,' you know... 549 00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:35,328 how would you leave? 550 00:32:35,411 --> 00:32:38,291 Like, is there a gun hidden somewhere, 551 00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:39,963 like, he was going to pull out?" 552 00:32:42,043 --> 00:32:44,673 As a young girl, you just do... 553 00:32:44,754 --> 00:32:49,014 Because he's an adult, you just do what someone asks you to do. 554 00:32:50,343 --> 00:32:54,263 [Licata] And then he sort of grabbed my thighs, and he was... 555 00:32:55,306 --> 00:32:57,516 jacking himself off at the same time. 556 00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:02,607 He just tried, like, rubbing me down there. 557 00:33:03,398 --> 00:33:04,228 [Recarey] Okay. 558 00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:07,567 [inhales deeply] And... 559 00:33:08,361 --> 00:33:13,371 [stammering] th... that was where I started freaking out completely. 560 00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:16,239 I was like... [sighing] "Okay, okay... 561 00:33:16,327 --> 00:33:18,327 Can we just get this over with? 562 00:33:18,788 --> 00:33:22,918 This is just so unreal. This is not happening." 563 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:27,011 He just looked like a scary sicko 564 00:33:27,505 --> 00:33:28,965 in my mind, like... 565 00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:32,925 He just looked like... [stammers] 566 00:33:33,636 --> 00:33:37,766 [stammering] I just still have the vision of his face. 567 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:43,310 [Licata] I backed away, and I said, "Well, I don't know if I should do that." 568 00:33:43,938 --> 00:33:45,058 And I freaked. 569 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,280 I was very hesitant and so scared. 570 00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:51,238 [Recarey] As I told you before and I explained to your mom, 571 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,240 what he did was wrong, okay? 572 00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:56,030 -[Licata] Okay. -[Recarey] Um... 573 00:33:57,452 --> 00:34:00,462 [Recarey] I want to reassure you on that, okay? 574 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,300 [Licata] When he was done, 575 00:34:07,378 --> 00:34:12,218 he wrapped himself up in a towel, and he said, "There's 200 for you. 576 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,340 I would really like to see you again." 577 00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:15,887 And I was like... [inhales deeply] 578 00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:18,640 "Okay, okay." In the back of my mind, I was like, 579 00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:23,193 "I am not ever coming back here ever again." 580 00:34:23,269 --> 00:34:25,309 And I just went downstairs, 581 00:34:25,688 --> 00:34:29,358 and I felt so used. 582 00:34:29,442 --> 00:34:35,362 I felt so used, like it was... I was just like this dirty person. 583 00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:40,825 Before Epstein, I was... 584 00:34:42,121 --> 00:34:43,041 [exhales shakily] 585 00:34:44,248 --> 00:34:45,578 [voice breaking] I was... 586 00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:49,593 I was... 587 00:34:50,671 --> 00:34:52,591 [sobbing] something else. 588 00:35:00,723 --> 00:35:03,313 The way I saw myself... [inhales sharply] 589 00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:04,982 a long time ago... 590 00:35:05,728 --> 00:35:07,108 [sobbing] ...I was, like... 591 00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:08,478 like this flower. 592 00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:14,322 A flower that was, like, opening up. 593 00:35:15,363 --> 00:35:18,243 And afterwards, it was... 594 00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:21,704 [inhales sharply] ...like somebody just... 595 00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:24,959 picked up that flower... [sniffles] 596 00:35:25,164 --> 00:35:30,344 ...plucked it from its roots, and stomped on it and smashed it. 597 00:35:32,588 --> 00:35:33,418 [sniffles] 598 00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:36,125 [Recarey] I know this is difficult for you, 599 00:35:36,217 --> 00:35:39,007 and I know it was difficult for you to talk to me today. 600 00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:42,467 Is there anything else you'd like to add to this statement? 601 00:35:42,557 --> 00:35:43,387 [Licata] No. 602 00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:45,805 [Recarey] Okay. Then I conclude this statement. 603 00:35:45,893 --> 00:35:48,353 The time on my watch is 5:25 p.m. 604 00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:50,305 [tape player clicks] 605 00:35:55,528 --> 00:35:58,358 [sinister music] 606 00:35:58,447 --> 00:36:00,907 [Hiaasen] Many of the girls were brought across the bridge 607 00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:03,412 from the mainland, which is West Palm Beach. 608 00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:06,748 And it's a whole different world when you cross the bridges. 609 00:36:09,542 --> 00:36:11,462 Parts of West Palm Beach are like 610 00:36:11,544 --> 00:36:14,424 a lot of other communities along the Gold Coast where it's working class. 611 00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:17,589 It's not necessarily high end at all. 612 00:36:19,093 --> 00:36:20,093 It's a real world. 613 00:36:20,553 --> 00:36:24,523 To think what it must have been like to come from modest means, 614 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,439 and in some cases broken homes, troubled homes. 615 00:36:28,769 --> 00:36:30,859 Palm Beach is like Oz. 616 00:36:30,938 --> 00:36:34,898 [chuckling] If you live in West Palm, that's just not a world you experience. 617 00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:44,330 My name is Shawna Rivera. This is the house that I grew up in. 618 00:36:47,121 --> 00:36:49,291 This is where usually we would sit out here. 619 00:36:49,373 --> 00:36:52,543 We had a big hammock on the patio. 620 00:36:53,127 --> 00:36:54,837 This room was my room. 621 00:36:55,546 --> 00:37:00,466 The time that I first met Jeff, my girlfriend came over here to, um... 622 00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:03,800 to take me with her to Jeff's, right? 623 00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:06,392 Like right after this street here... 624 00:37:07,266 --> 00:37:10,306 there's a trailer park, there's a canal and then there's a trailer park, 625 00:37:10,394 --> 00:37:12,524 and so she walked over here... 626 00:37:13,147 --> 00:37:14,817 and convinced me to go with her. 627 00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:19,822 I didn't have a good childhood. 628 00:37:21,447 --> 00:37:24,867 I was a runaway for two years. 629 00:37:26,786 --> 00:37:30,036 My mom used drugs pretty heavily most of my life. 630 00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:33,417 My dad went to prison when I was three. 631 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:37,760 And when I was ten, my dad got out of prison. 632 00:37:38,798 --> 00:37:43,138 At some point, my dad had a girlfriend... 633 00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:45,258 who had some kids, 634 00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:49,176 and the kids had clearly been abused prior to this. 635 00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:55,444 And I would say it was like a week or so after my 12th birthday, 636 00:37:55,523 --> 00:38:00,033 my dad and his girlfriend beat her son, her eight-year-old son, to death... 637 00:38:00,111 --> 00:38:01,741 [inhales deeply] Um... 638 00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:02,821 In front of me. 639 00:38:03,656 --> 00:38:06,326 And so I, um... 640 00:38:07,034 --> 00:38:09,044 [clears throat] ...ran away from home. 641 00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,578 I lived in, like, shelter homes. 642 00:38:13,374 --> 00:38:16,424 Finally, my grandma was able to get custody of me. 643 00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:20,550 I was 14 years old when I met Jeffrey Epstein. 644 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:28,262 My girlfriend, she's like, "Shawna, I'm going to this guy's house. 645 00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:33,144 I can't go by myself. I just can't do it. I just need you to come with me." 646 00:38:33,227 --> 00:38:35,347 I was just like, "All right. Fine." 647 00:38:36,564 --> 00:38:40,074 I didn't know what was going to happen. I just went along with it. 648 00:38:43,195 --> 00:38:47,655 Once you get over the bridge into Palm Beach, you see yachts 649 00:38:47,742 --> 00:38:49,792 and all these huge mansions. 650 00:38:51,203 --> 00:38:52,043 This is like 651 00:38:52,705 --> 00:38:55,245 not something I'm familiar with. 652 00:38:58,044 --> 00:39:01,714 We walk into the back, and there's this girl. 653 00:39:01,881 --> 00:39:02,841 She's young 654 00:39:03,382 --> 00:39:05,472 with an accent. I don't know her. 655 00:39:05,551 --> 00:39:08,721 She's familiar with my friend. "Hi. Hi. Hi." 656 00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:11,891 We walk into this room, 657 00:39:12,308 --> 00:39:13,808 and this dude walked in. 658 00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:16,725 I remember thinking he was kind of rude. 659 00:39:16,896 --> 00:39:18,226 He says, "Oh, hey. Hi." 660 00:39:18,314 --> 00:39:19,484 He's, like, on the phone, 661 00:39:20,149 --> 00:39:21,569 and he, like, lays down. 662 00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:26,201 So then my girlfriend tells me, "We're just going to give him a massage." 663 00:39:26,906 --> 00:39:30,326 And she said, "Oh, well, we have to take our clothes off." 664 00:39:31,827 --> 00:39:32,787 And I'm like... 665 00:39:34,872 --> 00:39:36,332 "I have to take my clothes off?" 666 00:39:36,415 --> 00:39:38,825 And she says, "Yeah, we have... We both... 667 00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:41,745 We both have to take our clothes off. All of them." 668 00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:45,877 So you have me and my 14-year-old girlfriend 669 00:39:45,966 --> 00:39:49,466 totally naked, and I'm giving this old man a massage. 670 00:39:50,846 --> 00:39:53,466 But then my girlfriend says, "Well, I'm going to go." 671 00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:57,728 And I'm like, "What the fuck are you doing leaving me here?" Like, "Why?" 672 00:39:57,812 --> 00:40:00,192 I couldn't believe she was walking out of there. 673 00:40:01,941 --> 00:40:04,821 Then this guy, he asked me how old I was... 674 00:40:05,611 --> 00:40:09,871 and I remember telling him that I was 15 years old, 675 00:40:09,949 --> 00:40:12,829 and I was actually 14 years old. 676 00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:15,326 That didn't scare him. 677 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:19,423 [inhales deeply] It was kind of, like, "Oh, okay. You're 15. Okay." 678 00:40:20,084 --> 00:40:22,094 Then he turned over... [sniffles] 679 00:40:22,169 --> 00:40:25,669 ...and he wanted me to rub the lotion 680 00:40:25,756 --> 00:40:29,426 that we were using, like, all over his chest. [sniffles] 681 00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:32,560 And he told me to just grab his nipples 682 00:40:32,847 --> 00:40:36,727 and squeeze and pinch as hard as I could. 683 00:40:36,809 --> 00:40:37,639 [sniffles] 684 00:40:37,726 --> 00:40:39,056 And I just, like, 685 00:40:39,145 --> 00:40:41,805 I just remember standing there and just being, like... 686 00:40:42,356 --> 00:40:45,276 "What is going on? This is so weird." 687 00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:49,609 I just couldn't wrap my head around it. I was like, "What the fuck is this?" 688 00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:51,780 I'm 14 years old. 689 00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:54,031 I'm a virgin. 690 00:40:56,078 --> 00:40:58,828 It just went on like that for a couple of minutes, 691 00:40:58,914 --> 00:41:00,084 and he finished... 692 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,090 and there was money sitting there. 693 00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:05,379 He told me to go ahead and pick up the money. 694 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,093 So I just got dressed, and I walked out and left. 695 00:41:08,966 --> 00:41:10,216 I was so embarrassed. 696 00:41:10,593 --> 00:41:14,223 I didn't know how to say, like, "No, I don't... I don't want to do that." 697 00:41:19,977 --> 00:41:24,057 I don't know how long it was after the first time I had gone over there... 698 00:41:25,232 --> 00:41:29,492 but I... one day, I got a phone call at my house. 699 00:41:30,362 --> 00:41:33,122 They called me a cab to take me to Jeff's. 700 00:41:33,949 --> 00:41:38,999 There was no explanation. There was just, "Take the cab to Jeff's." 701 00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:46,245 I assumed if I went back... 702 00:41:46,879 --> 00:41:48,089 I would get more money. 703 00:41:50,132 --> 00:41:52,262 I mean, I didn't have any money. 704 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:54,390 I didn't have a family like that. 705 00:41:56,347 --> 00:41:57,307 I just... 706 00:41:58,432 --> 00:42:00,852 didn't know how to handle it, you know. 707 00:42:00,935 --> 00:42:03,595 So, I think I kind of went into this kind of like... 708 00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:07,815 pilot mode kind of situation,  where I just... 709 00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:08,820 [inhales deeply] 710 00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:13,321 ...tried to, like, get through it and just go home. 711 00:42:15,824 --> 00:42:18,494 I couldn't say, "This isn't right." 712 00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:21,461 I couldn't say, "This isn't normal." 713 00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:24,079 I couldn't say, like, "This is a sick man." 714 00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:27,630 And it was probably for like three or four years 715 00:42:27,711 --> 00:42:29,051 I continued to go. 716 00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:41,482 [woman] I'm an educational psychologist and mental health counselor. 717 00:42:41,934 --> 00:42:45,444 I've worked with many victims of sexual trauma. 718 00:42:45,521 --> 00:42:50,941 And the first thought that I had when reading about the Jeffrey Epstein... case 719 00:42:51,026 --> 00:42:54,696 is that he targeted girls that were so vulnerable. 720 00:42:55,155 --> 00:42:59,405 Um, and this is something that most sexual predators do. 721 00:42:59,952 --> 00:43:04,462 The first step in the grooming process is spotting a vulnerable victim, 722 00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:07,290 someone who is financially disadvantaged 723 00:43:07,501 --> 00:43:11,301 or that already have some sexual trauma in their past. 724 00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:17,389 Sexual predators like Jeffrey Epstein have an eye for picking out someone 725 00:43:17,469 --> 00:43:19,429 who is in need of something, 726 00:43:19,888 --> 00:43:23,308 and they identify that need, and then they exploit it. 727 00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:26,773 When you're pairing a teenage girl 728 00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:31,693 with a brilliant,  narcissistic billionaire, 729 00:43:31,775 --> 00:43:35,235 their adolescent brain was not equipped 730 00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:39,073 to understand or react to what was happening. 731 00:43:46,582 --> 00:43:50,462 [Reiter] We were frustrated that, while some people were cooperative, 732 00:43:51,128 --> 00:43:55,588 most of the victims did not want to prosecute for fear of Jeffrey Epstein. 733 00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:58,930 They knew that Mr. Epstein was 734 00:43:59,011 --> 00:44:02,601 a powerful, influential, very wealthy person. 735 00:44:02,681 --> 00:44:04,181 So they were very reluctant. 736 00:44:05,184 --> 00:44:08,904 And so we decided to talk to some of his employees. 737 00:44:09,229 --> 00:44:11,069 [telephone ringing] 738 00:44:11,982 --> 00:44:14,822 -[Recarey] Good morning, Mr. Alessi? -Yes, speaking. 739 00:44:14,902 --> 00:44:17,952 Hi. This is Detective Joe Recarey with Palm Beach Police. 740 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,910 I'm investigating a case against, uh, a former employer of yours, 741 00:44:21,992 --> 00:44:22,992 Jeffrey Epstein. 742 00:44:24,244 --> 00:44:25,504 [Alessi] This is something 743 00:44:25,579 --> 00:44:27,829 that I really would not like to be involved, 744 00:44:27,915 --> 00:44:30,165 -if I'm not involved with it. -[Recarey] I understand that, 745 00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:33,840 but you may hold some information which would assist me in this case. 746 00:44:35,339 --> 00:44:38,179 [Alessi] But I don't want to get in trouble or... 747 00:44:38,467 --> 00:44:42,387 I don't want to get sued by Mr. Epstein or by his company. 748 00:44:42,846 --> 00:44:43,676 [telephone ringing] 749 00:44:44,473 --> 00:44:46,683 [Recarey] You are Alfredo Rodriguez, correct? 750 00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:48,887 -[Rodriguez] Yes, that's me. -[Recarey] Okay. 751 00:44:48,977 --> 00:44:52,147 I just wanted to touch base with a case that I'm investigating 752 00:44:52,731 --> 00:44:53,861 involving Mr. Epstein. 753 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,360 [Rodriguez] Okay. 754 00:44:56,318 --> 00:44:58,778 [Recarey] My main concern, obviously, is 755 00:44:59,196 --> 00:45:01,276 the girls that come over to work for him. 756 00:45:02,658 --> 00:45:03,488 [Rodriguez] Okay. 757 00:45:04,076 --> 00:45:05,696 [Recarey] What can you tell me about that? 758 00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:07,706 [Rodriguez] He has a lot of masseuses. 759 00:45:07,788 --> 00:45:12,288 He has a list of favorite, uh... female personnel 760 00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:13,836 to give him massage, you know. 761 00:45:13,919 --> 00:45:16,549 So he gets massage in the morning, massage in the afternoon. 762 00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:18,380 They were very private, sir, you know. 763 00:45:18,465 --> 00:45:22,755 So I didn't know what went on behind closed doors. 764 00:45:22,845 --> 00:45:25,255 It was my job to keep everything discreet. 765 00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:26,177 So... 766 00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:28,727 [Recarey] Would you say these girls were young? 767 00:45:29,685 --> 00:45:30,885 [Rodriguez] Um... 768 00:45:31,937 --> 00:45:34,057 Oof, you put me on the spot, sir. 769 00:45:40,487 --> 00:45:43,067 [Reiter] Every part of this case was an uphill battle. 770 00:45:43,782 --> 00:45:46,032 His employees didn't want to cooperate, 771 00:45:46,869 --> 00:45:49,329 so we went through the trash at his home. 772 00:45:50,247 --> 00:45:52,747 In one case, we found a school report card 773 00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:54,543 for one of the victims. 774 00:45:56,170 --> 00:46:00,340 And in another case, we learned that he sent a messenger 775 00:46:01,091 --> 00:46:04,641 to the school to provide flowers  to the victim 776 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,260 who had been part of a performance there. 777 00:46:09,183 --> 00:46:11,983 [James Patterson] West Palm Beach has dozens of high schools 778 00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:13,850 and middle schools. 779 00:46:13,937 --> 00:46:17,067 Thousands and thousands of kids. Some private schools out there. 780 00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:21,900 All these schools became a hunting ground for this predator. 781 00:46:28,452 --> 00:46:30,872 [woman] I think at 16, 17, when you're in high school, 782 00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:32,504 I think we're all vulnerable. 783 00:46:34,041 --> 00:46:37,541 This is Royal Palm Beach High School. This is where we went to high school. 784 00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,378 Not the happiest moment in my life. 785 00:46:41,256 --> 00:46:45,506 My name is Haley Robson, and I was 16 when I met Jeffrey Epstein. 786 00:46:46,929 --> 00:46:50,389 Growing up in West Palm Beach, I had a big family, lots of cousins. 787 00:46:50,474 --> 00:46:51,684 I have two sisters. 788 00:46:52,476 --> 00:46:56,056 My dad was a police officer. My mom worked in banking. 789 00:46:57,523 --> 00:46:58,773 I love horses. 790 00:46:59,316 --> 00:47:01,526 I started riding when I was 11. 791 00:47:02,110 --> 00:47:04,070 Couple years later, I got competitive. 792 00:47:04,446 --> 00:47:07,446 This was probably the most happy time of my life. 793 00:47:09,326 --> 00:47:11,576 But I had gone through a traumatic experience 794 00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:13,162 before I met Jeffrey Epstein. 795 00:47:13,872 --> 00:47:16,002 The summer before I turned 16, 796 00:47:16,416 --> 00:47:17,286 I was raped. 797 00:47:17,376 --> 00:47:20,416 [clears throat] It was my first experience with a man. 798 00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:22,590 He was 21. 799 00:47:22,673 --> 00:47:24,513 I just closed up. 800 00:47:25,092 --> 00:47:30,512 Um... I started using drugs. I was drinking all the time, smoking weed. 801 00:47:31,557 --> 00:47:34,347 I just kind of wanted to just vanish, just disappear. 802 00:47:37,729 --> 00:47:39,979 The girl that introduced me to Jeffrey Epstein 803 00:47:40,482 --> 00:47:41,902 went to High School with me. 804 00:47:42,734 --> 00:47:47,454 She said, "I know this guy and he would give me $200 just to give him a massage." 805 00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:51,830 And my first immediate reaction or thought that came to my mind was 806 00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:54,080 "This is my ticket out of West Palm. This is my way out." 807 00:47:55,998 --> 00:47:58,628 We drove to Palm Beach island... 808 00:48:00,794 --> 00:48:04,264 and we actually walked in... It wasn't the front door. 809 00:48:04,339 --> 00:48:07,509 It was almost like this side door that led into the kitchen. 810 00:48:09,803 --> 00:48:13,143 I remember we walked up a flight of stairs that kind of curved. 811 00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:17,064 And the first thing that I noticed, because it was so distracting, 812 00:48:17,144 --> 00:48:18,024 was the wall art. 813 00:48:20,272 --> 00:48:21,732 A lot of nudity. 814 00:48:22,649 --> 00:48:24,859 Naked statues, naked pictures. 815 00:48:25,611 --> 00:48:27,241 It made me feel uncomfortable... 816 00:48:27,988 --> 00:48:30,528 and then I saw, like, a photograph of kids. 817 00:48:31,533 --> 00:48:32,663 It wasn't normal. 818 00:48:35,287 --> 00:48:37,577 The massage began as a massage, 819 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,210 then he turned over. 820 00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:41,585 He was naked on the table. 821 00:48:42,461 --> 00:48:45,341 And I just remember feeling really scared. 822 00:48:46,548 --> 00:48:48,258 It just brought up a lot of bad... 823 00:48:48,759 --> 00:48:49,839 emotions. 824 00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:52,969 [Recarey] Did he touch you? 825 00:48:53,055 --> 00:48:55,715 [Haley Robson] Yeah, in inappropriate places. 826 00:48:56,850 --> 00:48:58,100 [Recarey] Does he use his hands? 827 00:48:58,185 --> 00:49:02,055 [Robson] He uses his hand, and I guess it's like a vibrator. 828 00:49:02,689 --> 00:49:03,519 But, um... 829 00:49:04,524 --> 00:49:06,234 I refused to do that. 830 00:49:08,403 --> 00:49:10,993 He tried to touch me below the belt. 831 00:49:12,491 --> 00:49:13,741 I declined. 832 00:49:13,825 --> 00:49:17,655 Um, I told him I didn't feel comfortable. "No, it's not going to happen." 833 00:49:17,996 --> 00:49:21,416 At that moment, he was offering me, 834 00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:24,290 "Okay. Well, this isn't going to happen, so... 835 00:49:24,711 --> 00:49:26,171 just if you have any friends, 836 00:49:26,254 --> 00:49:28,844 if you bring them to me, I'll give you $200." 837 00:49:29,466 --> 00:49:31,586 -[Recarey] Just to bring a girl? -[Robson] Yeah. 838 00:49:31,677 --> 00:49:34,347 [Recarey] The girl that was going knew she would have to massage him. 839 00:49:34,429 --> 00:49:35,599 [Robson] She knew everything. 840 00:49:36,723 --> 00:49:38,683 [Recarey] How long have you been working for him? 841 00:49:38,767 --> 00:49:40,637 [Robson] I probably worked for him for a year. 842 00:49:42,396 --> 00:49:43,806 I probably recruited... 843 00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:46,440 maybe 24 girls. 844 00:49:47,818 --> 00:49:49,698 [Robson] Those girls brought other girls, too. 845 00:49:50,862 --> 00:49:53,202 -[Recarey] Okay. -[Robson] So, it's like a train. 846 00:49:53,615 --> 00:49:55,025 [Recarey] Who else was underage? 847 00:49:56,034 --> 00:49:56,874 [Robson] Under 18? 848 00:49:57,619 --> 00:49:59,039 -All of them. -[Recarey] All of them? 849 00:49:59,121 --> 00:50:00,001 [Robson] All of them. 850 00:50:01,456 --> 00:50:03,666 [Robson] I would recruit girls that were friends. 851 00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:05,836 I would just casually bring it up. 852 00:50:06,795 --> 00:50:09,165 And we would drive together to his house. 853 00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:13,800 I would take them to the room. And then I would walk out. 854 00:50:14,469 --> 00:50:16,719 Sometimes I would wait out by the pool. 855 00:50:17,431 --> 00:50:20,931 When the girls would leave, Jeffrey would come outside to pay me. 856 00:50:22,436 --> 00:50:26,436 He would say, you know, "How are you? How is everything? How's your family?" 857 00:50:26,523 --> 00:50:29,823 He wanted you to think he was a friend and that he cared. 858 00:50:32,571 --> 00:50:34,951 [Recarey] All right, I talked to my boss for a little bit. 859 00:50:35,323 --> 00:50:37,123 -[Frick] Which is why I'm here. -[Robson] Okay. 860 00:50:37,367 --> 00:50:38,697 [Frick] Um... [sniffles] 861 00:50:38,785 --> 00:50:39,825 [groans] 862 00:50:39,911 --> 00:50:42,911 At this point, you've clearly implicated yourself in a crime. 863 00:50:42,998 --> 00:50:45,918 Okay? You've taken girls to somebody's house 864 00:50:46,001 --> 00:50:47,671 for the purpose of prostitution. 865 00:50:47,753 --> 00:50:51,303 More importantly, and more significantly, one of those girls was 14 at the time. 866 00:50:51,381 --> 00:50:54,631 Okay? Now that's a pretty significant second-degree felony. 867 00:50:56,887 --> 00:51:01,557 I remember them being really tough on me, and I think at one point I started crying. 868 00:51:01,850 --> 00:51:03,980 And I remember feeling really scared. 869 00:51:04,061 --> 00:51:08,441 And they treated me like I was his right-hand man. 870 00:51:09,483 --> 00:51:12,193 But what about the girl that recruited me? 871 00:51:12,277 --> 00:51:15,857 What happened to her? What about the girl that recruited the girl that recruited me? 872 00:51:17,866 --> 00:51:21,036 I feel like I've been putting the blame on myself for so long, 873 00:51:21,787 --> 00:51:24,957 bashing myself, and just being hard on myself, 874 00:51:25,707 --> 00:51:29,037 but I shouldn't feel guilty about it because I was 16... 875 00:51:29,628 --> 00:51:30,838 and he's the adult, 876 00:51:31,505 --> 00:51:33,165 and he should not... 877 00:51:33,965 --> 00:51:35,375 make me feel... 878 00:51:36,218 --> 00:51:37,218 guilty. 879 00:51:37,302 --> 00:51:41,222 [sobbing] I've never said... Never ever come forward like this. 880 00:51:42,307 --> 00:51:45,057 It just, like, brings up, like, so many emotions. 881 00:51:51,691 --> 00:51:54,861 [Dr. Kathryn Stamoulis] The girls that are recruiting the other girls 882 00:51:54,945 --> 00:51:58,525 are definitely victims of Jeffrey Epstein. 883 00:51:59,282 --> 00:52:01,992 They were manipulated in a unique way. 884 00:52:03,495 --> 00:52:06,955 They were made to feel special, 885 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,340 and they were also offered opportunities 886 00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:16,760 that could get them out of their life circumstances. 887 00:52:16,842 --> 00:52:20,892 And the added bonus that they didn't have to do anything sexual 888 00:52:20,971 --> 00:52:22,641 with this middle-aged man. 889 00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:29,559 This is how Jeffrey Epstein created a sexual pyramid scheme. 890 00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:39,567 [Reiter] After months of our investigation, 891 00:52:39,656 --> 00:52:44,116 we realized that this was a way of life for Mr. Epstein, 892 00:52:44,995 --> 00:52:48,495 and I believe he felt that he would never be caught. 893 00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:55,553 And so it was very important for us to get inside of Mr. Epstein's home, 894 00:52:55,630 --> 00:52:58,760 because we wanted to see if there was additional evidence 895 00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:02,852 and to validate the information given to us by the victims. 896 00:53:05,015 --> 00:53:06,515 But we had to be very careful. 897 00:53:06,850 --> 00:53:11,270 We did not want to reveal to Mr. Epstein that he was being investigated 898 00:53:11,354 --> 00:53:13,484 until we had an airtight case. 899 00:53:14,983 --> 00:53:17,323 Finally, seven months into the case, 900 00:53:17,652 --> 00:53:21,452 we felt as though that was the time to execute the search warrant. 901 00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:25,240 [dramatic music] 902 00:53:26,828 --> 00:53:29,918 [Recarey] This is a complete description of the residence desired to be searched, 903 00:53:29,998 --> 00:53:32,078 including the curtilage attached thereof. 904 00:53:33,543 --> 00:53:36,173 I will leave a list of what items we're taking. 905 00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:44,679 [Reiter] We were extremely surprised at what we found inside Epstein's house. 906 00:53:45,305 --> 00:53:47,385 [dramatic music] 71963

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