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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,240 [violin music playing] 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,840 [police sirens wailing in the distance] 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,200 I was sitting at my desk at The Australian and I'm sure 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,720 my jaw dropped open when I found it. 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,720 And that's when I realized if it's a scam, 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:23,760 it's a really big scam. 7 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:28,160 She had hundreds of thousands of followers all around the world. 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,960 This girl has this deadly brain cancer and she's healing herself. 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,760 She was curing her cancer using natural foods and a natural lifestyle. 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,880 The Whole Pantry is the world's first health, wellness and lifestyle app. 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,640 She found herself suddenly the author of probably the most successful app 12 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,360 that the country had produced. 13 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,040 [Clair] Belle got a book deal. 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,880 Penguin knew this book was going to be a huge success 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,080 so they were going to launch it worldwide. 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,480 What was it about her? 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,360 She just had this presence, had this way of writing that really drew you in. 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,480 Wow. I don't know if I want to be this woman or be this woman's best friend. 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,240 She was going to turn the world onto this natural way of living. 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,240 The growth of her fame and followers was just huge. 21 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:15,080 -Belle Gibson. -The courageous Belle Gibson. 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,400 -Belle Gibson. -Belle. 23 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:17,360 -Belle. -Belle. 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,320 -Belle. -Belle. 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,880 At no point did anybody go, "But hang on is the story true?" 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,040 The story just set off a firestorm. 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,840 Belle is my baby sister. 28 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,120 If she did have cancer, why wasn't I informed about it? 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,840 The things that I knew about her were just all crumbling. 30 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,240 I was gobsmacked. 31 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:39,320 [Clair] People were appalled and people hated her. 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,520 Every journalist in the country was hot on this story. 33 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,800 Isn't it about time that the truth came out? 34 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,800 I started to suspect that she was committing charity fraud. 35 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,440 How can we believe anything you say now? 36 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,160 What happened? How did she get there? What's in her world that made her do it? 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,880 There is no reason for me to lie. 38 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,680 I think she hurt a lot of people a lot of families. 39 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,840 And some of them want you to go to jail. 40 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:03,880 Did people die? 41 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,240 Belle Gibson has broken down in tears while being grilled in court. 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,400 They couldn't really care what she was telling the truth about, 43 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:12,480 what she wasn't telling the truth about, 44 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,320 and the whole story, it didn't add up. 45 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,000 There were so many holes. 46 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,520 But there's more to this story than meets the eye. 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,480 He said to me that I had a stage 4 brain tumor 48 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,400 and that I had approximately four months to live. 49 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,040 Nobody wants to live with the fear of a terminal illness or dying. 50 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,040 My name is Richard Guilliatt. I'm a journalist from Australia 51 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:26,440 and in 2014 I was a staff writer at The Australian newspaper. 52 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,960 My wife had been diagnosed with cancer 53 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,520 and we had experienced how bewildering and frightening that can be. 54 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Once you went onto Google and started researching that stuff, 55 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,840 you ended up in this kind of bewildering conflicting information zone 56 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,400 and I just remember that time as being extremely confusing and confronting. 57 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,760 I kept researching and I stumbled upon a discussion online about Belle Gibson. 58 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,400 Well, to be perfectly honest, I hadn't heard of Belle Gibson. 59 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:08,400 I was not a regular Instagram user and I went onto her page 60 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,840 and she had a malignant brain tumor that she was said to have had for 61 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,399 about five years, maybe a bit longer. 62 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,560 And she was told that she had six weeks to live 63 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,960 and she had some chemotherapy and it had made her terribly sick 64 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,040 and she decided to abandon the treatment 65 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,400 and she'd adopted this wellness and natural living lifestyle. 66 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,840 So she was not only curing herself of cancer but she was actually 67 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,960 just a model of mental and physical well-being. 68 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:48,200 I just looked at this and was just completely intrigued because 69 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:52,440 a malignant brain tumor is… medically it's very very difficult to treat. 70 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,200 It's usually-- a highly malignant brain tumor is a death sentence. 71 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:57,760 [ominous music] 72 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,720 When I first discovered Healing Belle on Instagram, 73 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,920 she was talking about how she had had brain cancer and things like that and… 74 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,040 immediately I was like, 75 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 "Cancer? [scoffs] 76 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,000 I have cancer." [chuckles] 77 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,800 I didn't know any other 19-year-olds that had cancer and felt like they were dying 78 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,880 for most of their teenage years. 79 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,560 And the only people I really saw in the hospital were really, like, older people. 80 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,600 So I felt really isolated in my journey, 81 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,440 so I started to turn to social media to really find, like, 82 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:02,440 my community. 83 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,200 Or I guess I just wanted… 84 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,880 I wanted to be heard and I wanted support. 85 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,040 So I was just looking for someone to tell me what I was going through was normal. 86 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,120 I think that social media 87 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,720 can honestly be as addictive 88 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,200 as cocaine or crack 89 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:26,680 because I was just so sucked into Belle's life. 90 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,720 I just thought she was so courageous and inspiring and… 91 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,280 immediately was just like, wow. I don't know if I want to be this woman 92 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,120 or be this woman's best friend. 93 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:44,640 We had tapped into a really beautiful network of people on our 94 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,160 online social media communities and what we kept finding was 95 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,280 those in our community who were feeling very unsupported and uninspired as well 96 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,480 but I feel I need to be doing more, what can I be doing? 97 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,400 So in 2013, Belle Gibson was having a huge impact on audiences. 98 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,680 She understood really well how to build a personal brand. 99 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:17,040 She was ahead of the game when it comes to being able to productize an audience 100 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,280 and turn that into revenue for a business. 101 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,240 That was really rare back then 102 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,600 and she really did it on her own. 103 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,160 Belle Gibson blew up overnight. It was surreal. 104 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:35,000 It's not that different to someone that becomes a celebrity overnight. 105 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:37,640 Like, suddenly you've got 106 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,280 a million people watching a piece of content that you create. 107 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,000 Um, that's madness. 108 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,240 The Whole Pantry is the world's first health, wellness and lifestyle app. 109 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,360 We fuse together whole food recipe collection, 110 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,520 health, wellness and lifestyle guides. 111 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,160 [producer] And speak. 112 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,960 I probably signed up as one of the first. 113 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,040 It was probably the first time that there was something that was all in one place 114 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,720 I was in the dessert section where I was often going. 115 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,880 When they told me I had cancer it was, um… 116 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,960 It was a complete, complete shock 117 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,040 feeling like you've landed in a foreign land. 118 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,480 The cancer community, one that you'd never want a membership to be part of. 119 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,120 You never want an invite in but once you are it's just full of super generous, 120 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,679 kind, thoughtful people. 121 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,760 The Whole Pantry app, something to download to support a chick going 122 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,640 through terminal brain cancer. So we wanted to see her succeed. 123 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,080 I-- I didn't have much money at the time but I bought her app. 124 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,880 It was designed really beautifully and all the food looked amazing. 125 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,720 There was nothing like that before. 126 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,560 Very like greens and blues and browns really like earthy tones. 127 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,080 [laughs] Um, the food photos were beautiful. 128 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,640 So she actually forged a bit of a path, um, 129 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,680 and it would have been really challenging to do back then 130 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:18,000 to turn your media value on social into a product based business 131 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,800 uh, mind you a highly successful product based business 132 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,880 in the health and wellness space. 133 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,880 It was nicely done. It was a good app. 134 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,920 I'm really honest about my journey with my health 135 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,440 and that opened up everyone else's honesty and everyone else's stories. 136 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,840 [Bella] Seeing Belle Gibson looking so good and so happy and healthy. 137 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,440 I started really comparing my life with hers. 138 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,680 It really started to feed into my insecurities about the way I looked. 139 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:57,600 I was so devastated about my face and my body. 140 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:00,640 In the middle of the radiotherapy I started fake tanning. 141 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,440 It took so much energy to put fake tan on my body 142 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,400 but I was like I can't go to-- I can't go to the hospital without a fake tan. 143 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,480 I got hair extensions to try and cover all my baldness because I just… 144 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,040 I just didn't want anyone to know that I was that sick. 145 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:24,080 I guess there was kind of that ideology that it's the medicine 146 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,560 that makes you look sick. 147 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,160 And she's got cancer but she looks so good because she fuels her body 148 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,160 with this amazing food, 149 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,520 and I look like shit because I went down the modern medicine route. 150 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,880 I tried to discuss with my parents about letting go of 151 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,480 the conventional medicine side of things and exploring alternative medicine 152 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:51,160 and I used Belle Gibson as an example, I was like, "Look at this woman. 153 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,680 Look how healthy she is. She's got brain cancer." 154 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:00,280 So I started to just try and incorporate the alternative medicine side of things 155 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:01,960 into my life as much as I could. 156 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,400 Green smoothies, juices. 157 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,600 You know, organic superfoods, coconut water, like all that kind of stuff. 158 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,920 I totally changed my diet. Um, I started meditating. 159 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,080 I started doing yoga, acupuncture, anything, anything. 160 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,200 I wanted to be cured and I wanted to be healthy again. 161 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,400 I wanted to just be like… like she was, I guess. 162 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,240 I just put her on such a pedestal. 163 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,480 I… I just thought she was amazing. 164 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:36,400 [phones ringing] 165 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,320 [Richard] She had cultivated an enormous following. 166 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,800 I mean there were just thousands of people 167 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,680 primarily young women and they were kind of talking about her 168 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,520 in this most effusive way, 169 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,200 that she was this sort of angel who had come to earth 170 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,320 and that she was this brave fighter and heroic survivor of cancer. 171 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,600 I-- I just went into my editor and I said, "Have you heard of Belle Gibson?" 172 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:02,960 I-- I can't see how this story is-- is true. 173 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,600 I just cannot see how this can be possible 174 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,600 and I wanted to look into it. 175 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,400 -Do you want me to say the whole thing? -[producer] Yeah. 176 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,840 Okay. [laughs] 177 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,800 We were in similar circles of friends and acquaintances and 178 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,280 a friendship kind of just naturally-- just formed, 179 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:40,200 and Belle invited me to the formal launch of her app 180 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,520 which had already been out for a few months. 181 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,840 This event was also a fundraiser raising money for charities. 182 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,520 People were posting about it on social media. 183 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,960 Belle at the event was in this designer white dress. 184 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,600 She was barefoot. 185 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,880 She looked really well. 186 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,080 She seemed happy and engaging with everyone. 187 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,160 She seemed to always be able to find a way to… 188 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,200 to really understand other people's hardships 189 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,080 and connect with people on a deeper level. 190 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:23,440 [indistinct chatter] 191 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,960 This is so weird being on this side of the camera. 192 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,880 I'm Clair Weaver, I'm a journalist. I'm from Sydney. 193 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,280 I joined the Women's Weekly in around 2013. 194 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,280 I was writing features about all kinds of things. 195 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,920 An incredible story, this girl has this deadly brain cancer 196 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,680 and she's healing herself. 197 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,720 Belle had come up with this Whole Pantry app. 198 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,360 She would donate proceeds or profit to chosen charities 199 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,200 whether it was a family with a child with brain cancer, 200 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,200 or people in Africa or whatever the chosen charity was. 201 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,200 We really believed that we're changing people's lives 202 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,640 and we have a giving backend of the company as well with your app download 203 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,080 transfers into community donation. 204 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,440 So that's everything for funding, 205 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,720 medical support for children that are living with cancer to building schools in… 206 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,160 in Sierra Leone. 207 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,840 We're really committed to the overall picture 208 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,920 rather than just a segmented approach. 209 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,040 [Bella] The appeal for everyone was that it was about the community, 210 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,760 it wasn't about her profiting. 211 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,560 That helped her image as a philanthropist 212 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,440 as well as being this beautiful wellness warrior. 213 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,240 She was getting media interviews 214 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,480 and the growth of her fame and followers was just huge. 215 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,040 So, in what was probably natural progression, Belle got a book deal. 216 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Penguin could see that Belle had this product, The Whole Pantry. 217 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,120 It was selling, it was resonating. 218 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,960 A cook book is obviously going to be successful. 219 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,360 She got an advance of $132,500, which is huge. 220 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,320 Especially for a first book by an unproven author. 221 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,920 And it was to write this book with an emphasis on wellness, 222 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,320 on avoiding allergens and embracing whole foods in your diet 223 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,560 with advice about how to live healthier. 224 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,640 Suddenly, Belle hit the mainstream. 225 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,240 It wasn't just the young wellness warrior types. 226 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,520 Suddenly, she was everywhere. 227 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,400 She was on national television. 228 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,760 Belle Gibson is a mother, a business woman and she's also living with brain cancer. 229 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,320 [Chanelle] Belle was living in a million dollar house on the beach, 230 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,360 in a quiet and affluent suburb in Melbourne. 231 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:47,640 She was flying first class on international trips 232 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,280 to Silicone Valley, working with Apple. 233 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,040 Belle was increasingly getting recognition. 234 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,800 Apple awarded The Whole Pantry the best Food and Drink App in 2013 235 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,400 so she was getting more followers, more popularity and more credibility 236 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,360 as she grew. 237 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,440 She really looked the picture of health. 238 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,600 In fact in one of the TV interviews she did, the interviewer says… 239 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,280 For a person living with brain cancer you look incredibly healthy. 240 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,000 [Clair] She was in women's magazines. 241 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,920 She had a presence and people had begun to hear about her story. 242 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,880 So she'd… she'd hit the big time. 243 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,760 It was five years ago I was diagnosed with terminal cancer 244 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:25,800 and… 245 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,000 we launched The Whole Pantry a year ago. 246 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,440 I remember Belle always being quite busy. 247 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:38,080 She was presenting a successful entrepreneur jet setting lifestyle. 248 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,520 But also she's battling this terminal illness at the same time. 249 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,360 Belle's son's birthday was inside Belle's house 250 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,400 and it was quite a close knit group that was there. 251 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,360 Just her inner-circle and her friends. 252 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,640 There was kids playing out on the patio. 253 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,440 The adults were mingling. 254 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:08,960 It was pretty cute. 255 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:10,440 [laughter] 256 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,560 The party was wrapping up. People were starting to leave 257 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:14,800 and… 258 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:20,280 Belle just fell to the ground flat and started convulsing. 259 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:26,440 There was saliva coming out of her mouth and she was having a seizure. 260 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:33,280 Belle's son was very aware his mother was on the ground 261 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:35,160 having a violent seizure. 262 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,760 I said, "We need to call an ambulance," and as soon as I said that, 263 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,640 Belle kind of came out of the seizure and said, 264 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:52,160 "No, no, I don't want Western medicine involved," 'cause 265 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,680 she was healing herself naturally. 266 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,160 I haven't witnessed someone have a seizure in front of me before 267 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,240 but my initial reaction was kind of confused. 268 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,080 Like she recovered quite quickly from something that was 269 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,600 happening so violently and aggressively to her body. 270 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,880 When I left the party I… 271 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,120 I felt really sick in my stomach 272 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,520 about what I had just seen. 273 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:29,440 This was the point where red flags really started to pop up for me. 274 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,080 [Clair] So then Belle shared devastating news with her followers. 275 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,360 [Bella] "With frustration and ache in my heart…" 276 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,240 [Clair] "…my beautiful game-changing community it hurts…" 277 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,200 [Chanelle] "…me to find space tonight to let you all know…" 278 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,840 [Bella] "…with love and strength that I've been diagnosed with a third…" 279 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,280 [Clair] "… and fourth cancer. One is secondary…" 280 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:00,760 "and the other is primary. 281 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,080 I have cancer in my blood…" 282 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,560 "…spleen, brain…" 283 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:05,760 "…uterus and liver." 284 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,000 "I'm hurting." 285 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,840 [Chanelle] "Please don't carry my pain." 286 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,600 I think I just was completely shocked. 287 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,280 [Bella] I guess everyone sort of felt like she was… 288 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,880 you know, dying now. 289 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,040 [Clair] I remember talking to one of her friends 290 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,120 and how devastated they all were 291 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,200 because up until that point they thought she'd been doing so well staving it off. 292 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,800 I do remember just feeling for her. My heart going out to her. 293 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,680 [Clair] She had an outpouring of love and support from her followers 294 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,560 who were really on this journey with her all the way. 295 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,280 Floods and floods of comments from people. Everyone was… 296 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,560 devastated. 297 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,480 [Chanelle] I was feeling really confused 298 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,880 feeling really conflicted about what I was feeling. 299 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,800 Kind of in my gut and in my intuition that something… 300 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,400 didn't feel right. 301 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,040 She announces to the world that her brain cancer has 302 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:28,680 progressed to stage 4 and it's now all through her body. 303 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,520 And I found out about this 304 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,280 through the post that she posted on Instagram. 305 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:43,680 So yeah, this time I was someone close to her and 306 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,920 this is how I learned of this new news. 307 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,040 At this point, I started to question everything. 308 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:55,600 I started to go over things in my mind, 309 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,240 different things she had told me. 310 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,960 Things I had witnessed. 311 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,360 She always looked so well and she never looked sick. 312 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,720 So, Belle was very passionate about wellness, 313 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,040 but then there would be times where 314 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:17,520 I noticed her and another friend went to a solarium 315 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:23,000 to do tanning and another time we went out to a night club and 316 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:28,600 she was ordering shots and lots of drinks and drinking quite excessively. 317 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:34,080 You know those weren't things that she shared with her online community. 318 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,000 Things just didn't add up for me. 319 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,520 -[Kate] You know out of Game of Thrones? -[producer] Yeah. 320 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,800 Yeah. They say I'm the mother of dragons. [laughs] 321 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,640 My name's Kate Drummond. 322 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,960 I'm the director of neurosurgery at the Royal Melbourne Hospital. 323 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,600 I'm a neurosurgeon specializing in management of brain tumors. 324 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:15,760 There are hundreds of different kinds of brain tumors of various seriousness 325 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,680 either because of their position 326 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,880 or because of how fast they're growing or because they're cancerous. 327 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,240 The most common type of brain cancer is something called a glioblastoma. 328 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,080 That's what we call a grade 4 tumor. That's the worst grade of malignancy. 329 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,160 The fastest growing cancer. 330 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,040 The treatments are basically surgery, radiotherapy, and chemotherapy, 331 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,800 and then sometimes there's some experimental or clinical trial options. 332 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,560 But although those-- 333 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:51,240 those three treatments or four treatments certainly prolong a patient's life 334 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,760 none of them are curative. 335 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,480 All will eventually grow and be fatal. 336 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,480 [Chanelle] That night, I approached one of our mutual friends 337 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:10,200 and told them that I didn't believe Belle was telling the truth. 338 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,120 I didn't believe she was sick 339 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,720 and he started to make his own assumptions, 340 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,760 and we decided to drive to her house that night, 341 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:23,440 unannounced, and confront her. 342 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,040 When we arrived, she came to the door, 343 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:36,120 and she wasn't as warm as she usually was, 344 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,240 and Belle looked really confused. 345 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,760 I cut to the chase and just straight out said to her, 346 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,320 "Are you sick?" 347 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,920 She responded, "Of course I am." 348 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,880 She seemed really kind of bewildered as to why we were coming to her with this. 349 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,800 And I… 350 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:05,440 implored her to go get medical documents, papers, scans, 351 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,520 any type of medical evidence 352 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,400 that she would have in her house, 353 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,800 and she responded that she didn't like to hold on to any of that… 354 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,960 kind of paper work because it's negative energy. 355 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,800 I started to get pretty frustrated 356 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:32,640 and I said, "What hospital did you go to to get that diagnosis?" 357 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,440 She said that she didn't go to a hospital, that a doctor came to her house. 358 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,920 And I said, "What's the doctor's name?" 359 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,120 And she responded, "Doctor Phil." 360 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,040 And I said, "Where is Doctor Phil?" 361 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:51,480 And she said that he had gone to ground 362 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,680 and his colleagues didn't know where he had gone but 363 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,880 he had all of a sudden disappeared. 364 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,800 She was very defensive. 365 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,480 She said that I was interrogating her 366 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,520 and she then started to say she felt really sick. 367 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:22,400 When we left her place, she maintained that she had cancer. 368 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,240 She maintained everything was true. 369 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:32,200 The more she spoke, the more it confirmed it was all a lie. 370 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,080 I was angry and extremely frustrated. 371 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,480 Her book launch was the following night and that was it. 372 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,440 It was going to be on the shelves everywhere. 373 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,480 She was profiting… 374 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:53,440 from a web of lies that she was spinning by targeting vulnerable people 375 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,440 and sick people. 376 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,520 And… 377 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:03,440 it just made my blood boil and it all added up at that point. 378 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,800 In my opinion, it was just strategy. 379 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,120 It was just a fucking business strategy. 380 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,400 I guess, um, when you know Belle started rising to fame, 381 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,040 it was something that we were all really proud of, 382 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:32,320 because she'd been a part of our community and now the whole world knows her. 383 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,240 When the book first came out a while lot of us we went out and bought the book 384 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,600 I've always loved cooking and I think I really leaned into 385 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,960 this idea of like, you know, healing yourself through whole raw foods and… 386 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,240 During my treatment, one the things that I taught myself to love doing [laughs wryly] 387 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,840 was, uh, green juices. 388 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,120 Um, so through treatment I would have probably a green juice every day. 389 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,600 The cashew cheese is good too [laughs]. 390 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,160 Cashew cheese. 391 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,400 [producer] What's cashew cheese? 392 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,400 It's like a cheese made out of cashews but it actually tastes like cheese 393 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,280 Oh, I used to make beetroot soup. 394 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,360 This is one that I made. 395 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,840 "Beetroot soup cleanses your liver, 396 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,440 purifying your blood and major organs from environmental toxins. 397 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,960 It reduces inflammation and improves skin and muscle health." 398 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,160 It also says here, "For those who don't drink alcohol, like me." 399 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,720 This is where brand Belle Gibson goes global. 400 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,800 Penguin knew this book was going to be a huge success 401 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,160 so they weren't just launching it in Australia. 402 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,160 They were going to launch it worldwide, it was going to go to the UK, the US. 403 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,640 It was going to be a huge deal, 404 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,800 and so here's Belle who started out just with her little blog suddenly 405 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,840 about to hit the big time worldwide. 406 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,880 [Richard] The book contained little bits of information about her past 407 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,520 and I had the picture that she'd built up in the media 408 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,560 but I really had nothing concrete about who her friends were, 409 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,080 or any biographical information about her 410 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,040 like who which school she went to, who her parents were. 411 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:22,320 You couldn't find any of that, really. 412 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,400 And her own interviews about it were kind of vague, you know. 413 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:31,680 And so I thought I've got to meet this woman and record her account of herself. 414 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,600 And also, if possible, 415 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,520 fill in some of the missing backstory about 416 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,840 who her parents were, or where she was from. 417 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,280 All of which was kind of quite mysterious. 418 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,000 [Chanelle] I went to her book launch. 419 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,680 It was really hard to be there and see everyone praising her, 420 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,640 in awe of her, 421 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,600 and I felt like she was misleading people in such a serious nature 422 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,680 that they were making decisions about life threatening illnesses, 423 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,120 to stop seeking chemo or radiation, 424 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,040 to eat fruit and vegetables. 425 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,920 I said to her like, "Are you ready to come forward?" 426 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,640 And she basically… 427 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,000 got really aggressive with me. Basically told me to fuck off. 428 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,760 Uh, there's an acknowledgment in the back… 429 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,680 uh, to me. 430 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,840 It says, "You were there from the beginning and I'll always remember that. 431 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,080 Go chase your dreams now. It's time for me to have your back." 432 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,720 But… 433 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,080 [producer] What do you think she meant by that? 434 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,680 I don't know. Maybe… 435 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,880 she was hoping I would have hers… 436 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:52,840 but I didn't. 437 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,880 At that point that's where the friendship ended. 438 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,560 I had to see how I could unravel what she was doing. 439 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,360 People were incredibly caught up in the idea that this-- 440 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,600 this beautiful, sensitive young woman who had a small child 441 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,560 was battling these terrible illnesses. 442 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,440 But at the same time was spreading this gospel of wellness 443 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,480 and was telling people that there were these alternatives to cancer, 444 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,960 you know, the illness that nearly all of us fear the most. 445 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,800 She looked fantastic, you know? 446 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,720 Like, the honey blonde hair and the perfect teeth 447 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,000 and the sculpted brows and, you know, 448 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,040 everything I knew about particularly a malignant brain tumor 449 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,960 told you that this was just-- it was just not possible. 450 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,680 First thing I did was ring around a bunch of cancer specialists 451 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,520 and I just outlined the scenario, you know, what do you think of this? 452 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,080 [Emily] "I have been healing a severe malignant brain cancer 453 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,280 for the past few years 454 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,160 with natural medicine, Gerson therapy, and food. 455 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,760 It's working for me and I am grateful to be here 456 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,800 sharing this journey with over 70,000 people worldwide." 457 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,600 Well, nothing's impossible. It's extremely unlikely. 458 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,960 I've never-- I've never seen it happen. 459 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,400 [Bella] "I've been diagnosed with a third and fourth cancer. 460 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,200 One is secondary. The other is primary. 461 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,120 I have cancer in my blood, spleen, brain, uterus and liver. 462 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,800 I'm hurting." 463 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,720 It's extremely, extremely uncommon. 464 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,280 And the-- the patient would be moribund. 465 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,160 Like… So… 466 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,680 There are case reports where brain cancer gets out and-- 467 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,040 and goes to other parts of the body. 468 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,440 As in it is so rare that someone writes it in a journal somewhere. 469 00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:59,480 But… 470 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,480 I haven't-- I've never seen brain cancer in the spleen. 471 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,920 That-- that's an unusual place for cancer to go in the first place, um… 472 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,880 Uterus, never seen it. 473 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,560 Um, it just doesn't make any sense. 474 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,920 But if a patient had brain cancer that was that widespread, 475 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,440 they are not walking and talking. 476 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,880 [Richard] She had a little bit of conventional treatment at the beginning 477 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:30,240 and all she's done since then is drink juices and give herself enemas, 478 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,400 and eat organic food and they all said-- 479 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,360 Healthy food doesn't cure cancer. 480 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,440 I've got to sort of dig into this. If this is a scam, 481 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,160 she had a deal with Apple computers. She had a deal with Penguin books 482 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,560 and she had a massive following which she was monetizing online, 483 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,080 and so if it was a scam it was, like, a big scam. 484 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,680 But I just thought I need to get her on tape saying what she's claiming, 485 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,800 and so I contacted her and tried to get an interview. 486 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,520 I just didn't hear anything back. You know there was just this silence. 487 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,080 But it turns out that Belle Gibson was overseas 488 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,560 We've been working here in total secrecy for the last 3 or 4 weeks, 489 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,400 and it's been a whirlwind, and that's also, you know, 490 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,160 we're really emotional and proud about it and… 491 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,360 I have a feeling now that Australia's waking up that… they're spotting it. 492 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,160 The text messages and, and the Instagram comments, 493 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,200 and the tweets are coming in saying, "Did we just spot your icon 494 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,880 on the new Apple Watch?" 495 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,360 And you did and it's exciting. 496 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,200 Apple invited her in for a meeting and they proposed that her app 497 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:50,880 should become one of the first apps on the soon to be released Apple Watch. 498 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,800 We have one more thing. 499 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,880 [crowd cheers] 500 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,120 So The Whole Pantry was to be preloaded onto the Apple Watch. 501 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,320 So this is huge, this is worldwide. 502 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,160 [Belle] It was daunting but if there was any company we were going to jump for, 503 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,360 it was going to be Apple because they've supported us for so long 504 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,639 We had the support of the best engineers and designers 505 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,400 in the world at our fingertips and they've done a very great job. 506 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,120 It just shows how successful she was becoming. 507 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:26,280 Cosmo Magazine gave her the Fun Fearless Female award. 508 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,960 Belle's winning awards. Her star is continuing to rise. 509 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,639 Her business is growing. 510 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,360 The more time she has to spread misinformation 511 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,639 the more people that are reached, that are potentially vulnerable 512 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,840 and making life changing decisions based on her story. 513 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,719 I started to look for other ways to see what steps I could take to intervene 514 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,280 in the lies that she was spreading so I went to 515 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,400 a journalist, a lawyer, the police, with this story, 516 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:11,080 and I explained who Belle was and that she was faking cancer 517 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,440 and essentially running a fraud. 518 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:26,000 And they all told me I was making very serious allegations of slander 519 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,720 and defamation against this poor, young, sick woman, 520 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,600 who's a single mom. 521 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,600 At this point I was feeling like I had exhausted a lot of options. 522 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,080 You know, I'd gone to so many different avenues to try and 523 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,960 stop her and people won't believe me. 524 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,880 [Richard] There was this difficulty getting in touch with her and 525 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,240 this sort of reluctance to meet me face to face, you know. 526 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:04,480 So in mid-February 2015, she finally agrees to meet me 527 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,160 and she says, let's meet at this café called Pillar of Salt, 528 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,920 which I look back on and think, you know it was a strange choice because 529 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,880 it's named after a woman who has offended God and was struck down. 530 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,080 I went to this café. 531 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,840 I got there early and I was waiting for her to turn up and… 532 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,400 I was not going to challenge her. 533 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,640 I was going to get her on the record about her story and about her cancer claims. 534 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,640 That was my primary objective. 535 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:48,320 I'm waiting. She's late and so, you know, there was a sort of thing of, like, 536 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,840 is she going to turn up? 537 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,400 She did turn up and she was very flustered and she explained that-- 538 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,560 [Belle] I'm good. I'm just a bit shaken up by the fact that I just had an accident. 539 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,160 -So I'm a bit all over the place. -[Richard] Right. 540 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,400 -[Belle] Sorry. -I… I could tell 541 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,280 it was going to be very difficult to pin her down to specifics once we got to 542 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,280 the nitty gritty of the interview. 543 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,800 But I was kind of prepared to just roll with that. 544 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,800 At a certain point I asked her about the… the brain tumor 545 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,000 and I said look, now as I understand it, 546 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,080 you know, you were diagnosed about five years ago by a doctor in Perth. 547 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,600 [Belle] I'd been given a prognosis of four months. 548 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,240 She confirmed all of that and said that-- 549 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,320 [Belle] I've been on a rollercoaster of a journey. 550 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,480 I know that it's time to figure out exactly where I stand. 551 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,160 I'm sort of thinking like, where's this going, you-- you know? 552 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:47,840 Like what-- what's-- it was like she was leading to something that I did… 553 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,920 I just couldn't work out where she was going with this but I sort of just let it… 554 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,960 let it flow. 555 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,240 [Belle] I've gone through some difficult relationships with doctors my whole life. 556 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,480 You know, there are people in my family just that-- just are angry 557 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,000 at that team that… 558 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,280 -had lead me astray. -[Richard] Yeah. 559 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,600 Well, and-- and it was at this point that she… 560 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,200 she started to really obfuscate. 561 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,720 I mean, it just became very slippery. 562 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,160 [Richard] So from what you're saying, it seems that they lead you astray? 563 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:26,440 [Belle] No. I still… for the main person that was leading this team, 564 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,920 I still respect. 565 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,160 [Richard] Um, I think I'd read that you also were diagnosed 566 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,680 with other secondary cancers elsewhere then, or…? 567 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,160 [Belle] That is what this highly recommended doctor 568 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,120 had diagnosed me with and then disappeared. 569 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,280 The doctor who'd… 570 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,960 diagnosed those cancers 571 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,640 had kind of abandoned her and… 572 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,240 she hadn't been able to contact him for quite some time. 573 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,320 [Belle] It's hard. It's hard to respect someone who does something that 574 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,600 -has no moral or ethic backbone to it. -[Richard] Right. 575 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,200 [Belle] And he's not entirely incorrect but I know that he's not 576 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,400 entirely correct either. I'm still waiting 577 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,360 -to know where I stand. -[Richard] Right. Right. 578 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:21,040 Are you saying that you now have doubts about the diagnosis 579 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,600 of these four cancers? 580 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:29,120 [Belle] I would say that it was more of a… a misdiagnosis than completely 581 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,240 uh, fictional. 582 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,360 Christ Almighty, Belle. You're kidding, you know. Like, what? 583 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,160 You actually don't have cancer? 584 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,200 This was just the last thing I expected. 585 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,600 After I left the interview I got in my car and I just called my editor straight away 586 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,320 and I said, like, "You are not going to believe this. 587 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,120 But, like, Belle Gibson just recanted on-- on the record." 588 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,840 She's basically saying she can't back up her cancer claims. 589 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,320 I was halfway or maybe three quarters of the way through writing this article 590 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,760 and suddenly this story appeared in a rival newspaper The Age down in Melbourne 591 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,920 and it said that Belle Gibson had held these charity fundraising events 592 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,280 and the charities had not received the money. 593 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,480 [Chanelle] Finally, a journalist from The Age phoned me and… 594 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:40,360 began telling him everything that I knew. The little details that didn't add up. 595 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,200 We don't have any evidence, especially medical evidence 596 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,440 stating that she doesn't have cancer, but 597 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,520 the journalists, they started to suspect that her charity claims 598 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,960 were also fraudulent. 599 00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,760 They then confirmed with the other charities that 600 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:06,880 they had not received any donations either so then we knew we had the story 601 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,920 and we knew once that broke that the rest would unravel. 602 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:19,320 It was spreading really quickly. It became a news story. 603 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,440 Just as it was published I sent a text message to Belle 604 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,360 and… 605 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,000 I wrote, "You should check the news. 606 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,600 Dot dot dot. But you've got this, right?" 607 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:36,600 And… 608 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,760 was just kind of my last fuck you to her. 609 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,320 Belle responded by letting the journalist know 610 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,400 she was really busy and that she just had cash flow problems, 611 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,480 so she started to pay some of these charities a bit of money, 612 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,440 and she claimed it was a misunderstanding. 613 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,400 I messaged Belle once I heard that the news had broke because if it's not true, 614 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,360 then I want to be a place that she can get support, you know? 615 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,600 And have someone that's on her side. 616 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,160 [Clair] Belle had developed this tribe of people who were really loyal to her 617 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,880 and they stood by her. They were like, you know, who are these journalists 618 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,320 trying to take her down? 619 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,560 You know, they were very protective and they defended her and so 620 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,080 it seemed, you know, that she was going to continue in a way, 621 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,600 it wasn't going to be this-- this big problem. 622 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,880 [Richard] For me, it meant that, 623 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,920 hell, there's another journalist who's sniffing around this story 624 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,720 and I've got to get my story out right now like there's no more delays. 625 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,520 We just have to publish tomorrow. 626 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,120 I kind of laid out what I had. 627 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,800 So I had her saying, on the record, 628 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,840 that she may have been misdiagnosed and that she now had a new medical team 629 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,360 who were trying to work out whether her cancers were malignant or not, 630 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,640 which completely contradicted everything she had been saying up to that point. 631 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:19,280 So I decided to do some deep dives into Google to try and find 632 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,440 her pre Whole Pantry history. 633 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,520 That's when I found stuff that just floored me. 634 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,640 That's when I realized that there was a whole history to this person 635 00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:32,240 that had been sort of buried. 636 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,080 My jaw dropped open when I found it. 637 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,920 So my story ran on the front page of The Australian the next day. 638 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,800 Her house of cards was about to come crashing down. 639 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,520 She was public enemy number one. 640 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,480 You're 23, right? Well, actually, how old are you? 641 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,640 Belle is my baby sister. 642 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,480 If she did have cancer, why wasn't I informed about it? 643 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,360 The things that I knew about her had all of a sudden were just all crumbling. 644 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,800 There's a fundamental problem here with her and the truth. 645 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,680 Will you accept that your reality does not actually match reality? 646 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,360 I will always love her but I will never forgive her. 647 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,880 Would you accept that you're a pathological liar? 648 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,840 No. 649 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,160 [closing theme playing] 54945

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