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[violin music playing]
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[police sirens wailing in the distance]
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I was sitting at my desk
at The Australian and I'm sure
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my jaw dropped open when I found it.
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And that's when I realized if it's a scam,
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it's a really big scam.
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She had hundreds of thousands of followers
all around the world.
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This girl has this deadly brain cancer
and she's healing herself.
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She was curing her cancer using
natural foods and a natural lifestyle.
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The Whole Pantry is the world's
first health, wellness and lifestyle app.
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She found herself suddenly the author of
probably the most successful app
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that the country had produced.
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[Clair] Belle got a book deal.
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Penguin knew this book was
going to be a huge success
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so they were going to launch it worldwide.
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What was it about her?
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She just had this presence, had this way
of writing that really drew you in.
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Wow. I don't know if I want to be this
woman or be this woman's best friend.
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She was going to turn the world onto this
natural way of living.
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The growth of her fame
and followers was just huge.
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-Belle Gibson.
-The courageous Belle Gibson.
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-Belle Gibson.
-Belle.
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-Belle.
-Belle.
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-Belle.
-Belle.
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At no point did anybody go, "But hang on
is the story true?"
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The story just set off a firestorm.
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Belle is my baby sister.
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If she did have cancer,
why wasn't I informed about it?
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The things that I knew about her
were just all crumbling.
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I was gobsmacked.
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[Clair] People were appalled
and people hated her.
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Every journalist in the country was hot
on this story.
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Isn't it about time that
the truth came out?
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I started to suspect that she was
committing charity fraud.
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How can we believe anything you say now?
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What happened? How did she get there?
What's in her world that made her do it?
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There is no reason for me to lie.
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I think she hurt a lot of people
a lot of families.
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And some of them want you to go to jail.
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Did people die?
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Belle Gibson has broken down in tears
while being grilled in court.
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They couldn't really care what she was
telling the truth about,
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what she wasn't telling the truth about,
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and the whole story, it didn't add up.
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There were so many holes.
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But there's more to this story
than meets the eye.
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He said to me that I had
a stage 4 brain tumor
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and that I had approximately
four months to live.
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Nobody wants to live with the fear of
a terminal illness or dying.
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My name is Richard Guilliatt.
I'm a journalist from Australia
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and in 2014 I was a staff writer at
The Australian newspaper.
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My wife had been diagnosed with cancer
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and we had experienced how bewildering and
frightening that can be.
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Once you went onto Google and
started researching that stuff,
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you ended up in this kind of bewildering
conflicting information zone
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and I just remember that time as being
extremely confusing and confronting.
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I kept researching and I stumbled upon a
discussion online about Belle Gibson.
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Well, to be perfectly honest,
I hadn't heard of Belle Gibson.
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I was not a regular Instagram user
and I went onto her page
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and she had a malignant brain tumor that
she was said to have had for
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about five years, maybe a bit longer.
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And she was told that she had
six weeks to live
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and she had some chemotherapy
and it had made her terribly sick
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and she decided to abandon the treatment
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and she'd adopted this wellness and
natural living lifestyle.
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So she was not only curing herself
of cancer but she was actually
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just a model of mental
and physical well-being.
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I just looked at this and was just
completely intrigued because
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a malignant brain tumor is… medically
it's very very difficult to treat.
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It's usually-- a highly malignant brain
tumor is a death sentence.
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[ominous music]
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When I first discovered Healing Belle
on Instagram,
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she was talking about how she had had
brain cancer and things like that and…
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immediately I was like,
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"Cancer? [scoffs]
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I have cancer." [chuckles]
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I didn't know any other 19-year-olds that
had cancer and felt like they were dying
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for most of their teenage years.
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And the only people I really saw in the
hospital were really, like, older people.
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So I felt really isolated in my journey,
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so I started to turn to social media
to really find, like,
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my community.
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Or I guess I just wanted…
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I wanted to be heard and I wanted support.
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So I was just looking for someone to tell
me what I was going through was normal.
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I think that social media
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can honestly be as addictive
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as cocaine or crack
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because I was just so sucked into
Belle's life.
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I just thought she was so courageous
and inspiring and…
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immediately was just like, wow.
I don't know if I want to be this woman
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or be this woman's best friend.
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We had tapped into a really beautiful
network of people on our
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online social media communities
and what we kept finding was
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those in our community who were feeling
very unsupported and uninspired as well
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but I feel I need to be doing more,
what can I be doing?
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So in 2013, Belle Gibson was having
a huge impact on audiences.
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She understood really well how to build
a personal brand.
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She was ahead of the game when it comes
to being able to productize an audience
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and turn that into revenue for a business.
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That was really rare back then
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and she really did it on her own.
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Belle Gibson blew up overnight.
It was surreal.
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It's not that different to someone that
becomes a celebrity overnight.
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Like, suddenly you've got
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a million people watching a piece of
content that you create.
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Um, that's madness.
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The Whole Pantry is the world's first
health, wellness and lifestyle app.
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We fuse together whole food
recipe collection,
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health, wellness and lifestyle guides.
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[producer] And speak.
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I probably signed up
as one of the first.
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It was probably the first time that there
was something that was all in one place
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I was in the dessert section where
I was often going.
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When they told me I had cancer
it was, um…
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It was a complete, complete shock
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feeling like you've landed
in a foreign land.
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The cancer community, one that you'd never
want a membership to be part of.
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You never want an invite in but once
you are it's just full of super generous,
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kind, thoughtful people.
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The Whole Pantry app, something
to download to support a chick going
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through terminal brain cancer.
So we wanted to see her succeed.
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I-- I didn't have much money at the time
but I bought her app.
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It was designed really beautifully and all
the food looked amazing.
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There was nothing like that before.
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Very like greens and blues and browns
really like earthy tones.
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[laughs] Um, the food photos
were beautiful.
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So she actually forged
a bit of a path, um,
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and it would have been really challenging
to do back then
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to turn your media value on social
into a product based business
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uh, mind you a highly successful
product based business
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in the health and wellness space.
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It was nicely done.
It was a good app.
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I'm really honest about my journey
with my health
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and that opened up everyone else's
honesty and everyone else's stories.
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[Bella] Seeing Belle Gibson looking
so good and so happy and healthy.
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I started really comparing my life
with hers.
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It really started to feed into my
insecurities about the way I looked.
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I was so devastated about my face
and my body.
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In the middle of the radiotherapy
I started fake tanning.
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It took so much energy to put
fake tan on my body
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but I was like I can't go to-- I can't go
to the hospital without a fake tan.
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I got hair extensions to try and cover
all my baldness because I just…
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I just didn't want anyone to know
that I was that sick.
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I guess there was kind of that ideology
that it's the medicine
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that makes you look sick.
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And she's got cancer but she looks so good
because she fuels her body
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with this amazing food,
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and I look like shit because I went down
the modern medicine route.
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I tried to discuss with my parents
about letting go of
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the conventional medicine side of things
and exploring alternative medicine
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and I used Belle Gibson as an example,
I was like, "Look at this woman.
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Look how healthy she is.
She's got brain cancer."
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So I started to just try and incorporate
the alternative medicine side of things
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into my life as much as I could.
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Green smoothies, juices.
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You know, organic superfoods, coconut
water, like all that kind of stuff.
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I totally changed my diet.
Um, I started meditating.
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I started doing yoga, acupuncture,
anything, anything.
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I wanted to be cured and
I wanted to be healthy again.
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I wanted to just be like…
like she was, I guess.
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I just put her on such a pedestal.
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I… I just thought she was amazing.
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[phones ringing]
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[Richard] She had cultivated
an enormous following.
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I mean there were just thousands of people
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primarily young women and they were
kind of talking about her
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in this most effusive way,
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that she was this sort of angel
who had come to earth
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and that she was this brave fighter
and heroic survivor of cancer.
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I-- I just went into my editor and I said,
"Have you heard of Belle Gibson?"
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I-- I can't see how this story is--
is true.
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I just cannot see how this can be possible
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and I wanted to look into it.
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-Do you want me to say the whole thing?
-[producer] Yeah.
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Okay. [laughs]
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We were in similar circles of friends
and acquaintances and
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a friendship kind of just naturally--
just formed,
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and Belle invited me
to the formal launch of her app
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which had already been out
for a few months.
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This event was also a fundraiser
raising money for charities.
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People were posting about it
on social media.
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Belle at the event was in this
designer white dress.
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She was barefoot.
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She looked really well.
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She seemed happy
and engaging with everyone.
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She seemed to always be able
to find a way to…
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to really understand
other people's hardships
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and connect with people on a deeper level.
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[indistinct chatter]
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This is so weird being on this side
of the camera.
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I'm Clair Weaver, I'm a journalist.
I'm from Sydney.
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I joined the Women's Weekly
in around 2013.
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I was writing features
about all kinds of things.
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An incredible story, this girl has this
deadly brain cancer
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and she's healing herself.
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Belle had come up with this
Whole Pantry app.
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She would donate proceeds or profit
to chosen charities
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whether it was a family with a child
with brain cancer,
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or people in Africa or whatever
the chosen charity was.
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We really believed
that we're changing people's lives
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and we have a giving backend of
the company as well with your app download
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transfers into community donation.
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So that's everything for funding,
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medical support for children that are
living with cancer to building schools in…
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in Sierra Leone.
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We're really committed
to the overall picture
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rather than just a segmented approach.
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[Bella] The appeal for everyone was
that it was about the community,
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it wasn't about her profiting.
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That helped her image as a philanthropist
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as well as being this
beautiful wellness warrior.
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She was getting media interviews
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and the growth of her fame and followers
was just huge.
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So, in what was probably natural
progression, Belle got a book deal.
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Penguin could see that Belle had this
product, The Whole Pantry.
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It was selling, it was resonating.
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A cook book is obviously
going to be successful.
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She got an advance of $132,500,
which is huge.
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Especially for a first book
by an unproven author.
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And it was to write this book
with an emphasis on wellness,
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on avoiding allergens and embracing whole
foods in your diet
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with advice about how to live healthier.
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Suddenly, Belle hit the mainstream.
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It wasn't just the young
wellness warrior types.
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Suddenly, she was everywhere.
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She was on national television.
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Belle Gibson is a mother, a business woman
and she's also living with brain cancer.
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[Chanelle] Belle was living in
a million dollar house on the beach,
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in a quiet and affluent suburb
in Melbourne.
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She was flying first class
on international trips
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to Silicone Valley, working with Apple.
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Belle was increasingly getting
recognition.
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Apple awarded The Whole Pantry
the best Food and Drink App in 2013
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so she was getting more followers,
more popularity and more credibility
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as she grew.
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She really looked the picture of health.
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In fact in one of the TV interviews
she did, the interviewer says…
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For a person living with brain cancer
you look incredibly healthy.
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[Clair] She was in women's magazines.
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She had a presence and people had begun
to hear about her story.
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So she'd… she'd hit the big time.
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It was five years ago I was diagnosed
with terminal cancer
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and…
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we launched The Whole Pantry a year ago.
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I remember Belle always being quite busy.
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She was presenting a successful
entrepreneur jet setting lifestyle.
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But also she's battling this
terminal illness at the same time.
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Belle's son's birthday
was inside Belle's house
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and it was quite
a close knit group that was there.
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Just her inner-circle and her friends.
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There was kids playing out on the patio.
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The adults were mingling.
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It was pretty cute.
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[laughter]
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The party was wrapping up.
People were starting to leave
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and…
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Belle just fell to the ground flat
and started convulsing.
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There was saliva coming out of her mouth
and she was having a seizure.
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Belle's son was very aware his mother
was on the ground
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having a violent seizure.
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I said, "We need to call an ambulance,"
and as soon as I said that,
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Belle kind of came out of
the seizure and said,
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"No, no, I don't want Western medicine
involved," 'cause
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she was healing herself naturally.
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I haven't witnessed someone have a seizure
in front of me before
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but my initial reaction was
kind of confused.
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Like she recovered quite quickly
from something that was
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happening so violently and aggressively
to her body.
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When I left the party I…
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I felt really sick in my stomach
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about what I had just seen.
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This was the point where red flags really
started to pop up for me.
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[Clair] So then Belle shared
devastating news with her followers.
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[Bella] "With frustration
and ache in my heart…"
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[Clair] "…my beautiful
game-changing community it hurts…"
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[Chanelle] "…me to find space tonight
to let you all know…"
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[Bella] "…with love and strength that
I've been diagnosed with a third…"
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[Clair] "… and fourth cancer.
One is secondary…"
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"and the other is primary.
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I have cancer in my blood…"
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"…spleen, brain…"
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"…uterus and liver."
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"I'm hurting."
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[Chanelle] "Please don't carry my pain."
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I think I just was completely shocked.
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[Bella] I guess everyone
sort of felt like she was…
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you know, dying now.
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[Clair] I remember talking to
one of her friends
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and how devastated they all were
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because up until that point they thought
she'd been doing so well staving it off.
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I do remember just feeling for her.
My heart going out to her.
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[Clair] She had an outpouring
of love and support from her followers
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who were really on this journey with her
all the way.
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Floods and floods of comments from people.
Everyone was…
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devastated.
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[Chanelle] I was feeling really confused
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feeling really conflicted
about what I was feeling.
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Kind of in my gut and in my intuition
that something…
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didn't feel right.
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She announces to the world
that her brain cancer has
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progressed to stage 4 and it's now
all through her body.
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And I found out about this
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through the post that she posted
on Instagram.
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So yeah, this time I was someone
close to her and
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this is how I learned of this new news.
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At this point, I started
to question everything.
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I started to go over things in my mind,
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different things she had told me.
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Things I had witnessed.
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She always looked so well
and she never looked sick.
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So, Belle was very passionate
about wellness,
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but then there would be times where
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I noticed her and another friend
went to a solarium
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to do tanning and another time we went out
to a night club and
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she was ordering shots and lots of drinks
and drinking quite excessively.
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You know those weren't things that she
shared with her online community.
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Things just didn't add up for me.
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-[Kate] You know out of Game of Thrones?
-[producer] Yeah.
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Yeah. They say I'm the mother of dragons.
[laughs]
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My name's Kate Drummond.
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I'm the director of neurosurgery
at the Royal Melbourne Hospital.
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I'm a neurosurgeon specializing in
management of brain tumors.
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There are hundreds of different kinds
of brain tumors of various seriousness
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either because of their position
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or because of how fast they're growing
or because they're cancerous.
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The most common type of brain cancer
is something called a glioblastoma.
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That's what we call a grade 4 tumor.
That's the worst grade of malignancy.
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The fastest growing cancer.
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The treatments are basically surgery,
radiotherapy, and chemotherapy,
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and then sometimes there's some
experimental or clinical trial options.
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But although those--
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those three treatments or four treatments
certainly prolong a patient's life
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none of them are curative.
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All will eventually grow and be fatal.
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[Chanelle] That night, I approached
one of our mutual friends
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and told them that I didn't believe Belle
was telling the truth.
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I didn't believe she was sick
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and he started to make
his own assumptions,
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and we decided to drive
to her house that night,
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unannounced, and confront her.
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When we arrived, she came to the door,
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and she wasn't as warm
as she usually was,
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and Belle looked really confused.
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I cut to the chase
and just straight out said to her,
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"Are you sick?"
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She responded, "Of course I am."
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She seemed really kind of bewildered as
to why we were coming to her with this.
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And I…
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implored her to go get medical documents,
papers, scans,
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any type of medical evidence
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that she would have in her house,
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and she responded that she didn't like
to hold on to any of that…
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kind of paper work because it's
negative energy.
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I started to get pretty frustrated
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and I said, "What hospital did you go to
to get that diagnosis?"
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She said that she didn't go to a hospital,
that a doctor came to her house.
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And I said, "What's the doctor's name?"
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And she responded, "Doctor Phil."
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And I said, "Where is Doctor Phil?"
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And she said that he had gone to ground
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and his colleagues didn't know where
he had gone but
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he had all of a sudden disappeared.
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She was very defensive.
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She said that I was interrogating her
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and she then started to say
she felt really sick.
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When we left her place,
she maintained that she had cancer.
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She maintained everything was true.
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The more she spoke,
the more it confirmed it was all a lie.
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I was angry and extremely frustrated.
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Her book launch was the following night
and that was it.
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It was going to be on the shelves
everywhere.
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She was profiting…
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from a web of lies that she was spinning
by targeting vulnerable people
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and sick people.
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And…
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it just made my blood boil and it all
added up at that point.
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In my opinion, it was just strategy.
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It was just a fucking business strategy.
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I guess, um, when you know
Belle started rising to fame,
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it was something that we were all
really proud of,
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because she'd been a part of our community
and now the whole world knows her.
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When the book first came out a while lot
of us we went out and bought the book
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I've always loved cooking and I think
I really leaned into
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this idea of like, you know, healing
yourself through whole raw foods and…
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During my treatment, one the things that I
taught myself to love doing [laughs wryly]
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was, uh, green juices.
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Um, so through treatment I would have
probably a green juice every day.
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The cashew cheese is good too [laughs].
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Cashew cheese.
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[producer] What's cashew cheese?
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It's like a cheese made out of cashews but
it actually tastes like cheese
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Oh, I used to make beetroot soup.
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This is one that I made.
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"Beetroot soup cleanses your liver,
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purifying your blood and major organs
from environmental toxins.
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It reduces inflammation and
improves skin and muscle health."
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It also says here, "For those who
don't drink alcohol, like me."
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This is where brand Belle Gibson
goes global.
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Penguin knew this book was going to be
a huge success
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so they weren't just launching it
in Australia.
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They were going to launch it worldwide,
it was going to go to the UK, the US.
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It was going to be a huge deal,
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and so here's Belle who started out just
with her little blog suddenly
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about to hit the big time worldwide.
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[Richard] The book contained little bits
of information about her past
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and I had the picture that she'd built up
in the media
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but I really had nothing concrete about
who her friends were,
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or any biographical information about her
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like who which school she went to,
who her parents were.
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You couldn't find any of that, really.
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And her own interviews about it were
kind of vague, you know.
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And so I thought I've got to meet this
woman and record her account of herself.
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And also, if possible,
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fill in some of
the missing backstory about
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who her parents were,
or where she was from.
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All of which was kind of quite mysterious.
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[Chanelle] I went to her book launch.
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It was really hard to be there
and see everyone praising her,
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in awe of her,
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and I felt like she was
misleading people in such a serious nature
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that they were making decisions
about life threatening illnesses,
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to stop seeking chemo or radiation,
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to eat fruit and vegetables.
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I said to her like, "Are you ready
to come forward?"
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And she basically…
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got really aggressive with me.
Basically told me to fuck off.
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Uh, there's an acknowledgment
in the back…
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uh, to me.
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It says, "You were there from the
beginning and I'll always remember that.
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Go chase your dreams now.
It's time for me to have your back."
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But…
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[producer] What do you think
she meant by that?
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I don't know. Maybe…
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she was hoping I would have hers…
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but I didn't.
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At that point that's
where the friendship ended.
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I had to see how I could unravel
what she was doing.
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People were incredibly caught up in the
idea that this--
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this beautiful, sensitive young woman
who had a small child
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was battling these terrible illnesses.
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But at the same time was spreading
this gospel of wellness
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and was telling people that there were
these alternatives to cancer,
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you know, the illness that nearly all
of us fear the most.
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She looked fantastic, you know?
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Like, the honey blonde hair
and the perfect teeth
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and the sculpted brows and, you know,
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everything I knew about
particularly a malignant brain tumor
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told you that this was just--
it was just not possible.
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First thing I did was ring around a bunch
of cancer specialists
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and I just outlined the scenario,
you know, what do you think of this?
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[Emily] "I have been healing
a severe malignant brain cancer
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for the past few years
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with natural medicine,
Gerson therapy, and food.
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It's working for me
and I am grateful to be here
456
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,800
sharing this journey
with over 70,000 people worldwide."
457
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,600
Well, nothing's impossible.
It's extremely unlikely.
458
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,960
I've never-- I've never seen it happen.
459
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,400
[Bella] "I've been diagnosed with a third
and fourth cancer.
460
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,200
One is secondary. The other is primary.
461
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,120
I have cancer in my blood, spleen, brain,
uterus and liver.
462
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,800
I'm hurting."
463
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,720
It's extremely, extremely uncommon.
464
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,280
And the-- the patient would be moribund.
465
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,160
Like… So…
466
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,680
There are case reports where brain cancer
gets out and--
467
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,040
and goes to other parts of the body.
468
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,440
As in it is so rare that someone writes it
in a journal somewhere.
469
00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:59,480
But…
470
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,480
I haven't-- I've never seen brain cancer
in the spleen.
471
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,920
That-- that's an unusual place for cancer
to go in the first place, um…
472
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,880
Uterus, never seen it.
473
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,560
Um, it just doesn't make any sense.
474
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,920
But if a patient had brain cancer
that was that widespread,
475
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,440
they are not walking and talking.
476
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,880
[Richard] She had a little bit of
conventional treatment at the beginning
477
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:30,240
and all she's done since then is
drink juices and give herself enemas,
478
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,400
and eat organic food and they all said--
479
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,360
Healthy food doesn't cure cancer.
480
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,440
I've got to sort of dig into this.
If this is a scam,
481
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,160
she had a deal with Apple computers.
She had a deal with Penguin books
482
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,560
and she had a massive following
which she was monetizing online,
483
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,080
and so if it was a scam
it was, like, a big scam.
484
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,680
But I just thought I need to get her
on tape saying what she's claiming,
485
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,800
and so I contacted her
and tried to get an interview.
486
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,520
I just didn't hear anything back.
You know there was just this silence.
487
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,080
But it turns out that
Belle Gibson was overseas
488
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,560
We've been working here in total
secrecy for the last 3 or 4 weeks,
489
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,400
and it's been a whirlwind,
and that's also, you know,
490
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,160
we're really emotional
and proud about it and…
491
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,360
I have a feeling now that Australia's
waking up that… they're spotting it.
492
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,160
The text messages and,
and the Instagram comments,
493
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,200
and the tweets are coming in saying,
"Did we just spot your icon
494
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,880
on the new Apple Watch?"
495
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,360
And you did and it's exciting.
496
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,200
Apple invited her in for a meeting
and they proposed that her app
497
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:50,880
should become one of the first apps
on the soon to be released Apple Watch.
498
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,800
We have one more thing.
499
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,880
[crowd cheers]
500
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,120
So The Whole Pantry was to be preloaded
onto the Apple Watch.
501
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,320
So this is huge, this is worldwide.
502
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,160
[Belle] It was daunting but if there was
any company we were going to jump for,
503
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,360
it was going to be Apple because they've
supported us for so long
504
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,639
We had the support of the best
engineers and designers
505
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,400
in the world at our fingertips
and they've done a very great job.
506
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,120
It just shows how successful
she was becoming.
507
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:26,280
Cosmo Magazine gave her
the Fun Fearless Female award.
508
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,960
Belle's winning awards.
Her star is continuing to rise.
509
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,639
Her business is growing.
510
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,360
The more time she has
to spread misinformation
511
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,639
the more people that are reached,
that are potentially vulnerable
512
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,840
and making life changing decisions
based on her story.
513
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,719
I started to look for other ways to see
what steps I could take to intervene
514
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,280
in the lies that she was spreading
so I went to
515
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,400
a journalist, a lawyer,
the police, with this story,
516
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:11,080
and I explained who Belle was
and that she was faking cancer
517
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,440
and essentially running a fraud.
518
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:26,000
And they all told me I was making very
serious allegations of slander
519
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,720
and defamation against
this poor, young, sick woman,
520
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,600
who's a single mom.
521
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,600
At this point I was feeling like I had
exhausted a lot of options.
522
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,080
You know, I'd gone to so many different
avenues to try and
523
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,960
stop her and people won't believe me.
524
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,880
[Richard] There was this difficulty
getting in touch with her and
525
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,240
this sort of reluctance to meet me
face to face, you know.
526
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:04,480
So in mid-February 2015,
she finally agrees to meet me
527
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,160
and she says, let's meet at this café
called Pillar of Salt,
528
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,920
which I look back on and think, you know
it was a strange choice because
529
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,880
it's named after a woman who has offended
God and was struck down.
530
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,080
I went to this café.
531
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,840
I got there early and I was waiting for
her to turn up and…
532
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,400
I was not going to challenge her.
533
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,640
I was going to get her on the record about
her story and about her cancer claims.
534
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,640
That was my primary objective.
535
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:48,320
I'm waiting. She's late and so, you know,
there was a sort of thing of, like,
536
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,840
is she going to turn up?
537
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,400
She did turn up and she was very flustered
and she explained that--
538
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,560
[Belle] I'm good. I'm just a bit shaken up
by the fact that I just had an accident.
539
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,160
-So I'm a bit all over the place.
-[Richard] Right.
540
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,400
-[Belle] Sorry.
-I… I could tell
541
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,280
it was going to be very difficult to pin
her down to specifics once we got to
542
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,280
the nitty gritty of the interview.
543
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,800
But I was kind of prepared
to just roll with that.
544
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,800
At a certain point I asked her about the…
the brain tumor
545
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,000
and I said look, now as I understand it,
546
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,080
you know, you were diagnosed about
five years ago by a doctor in Perth.
547
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,600
[Belle] I'd been given a prognosis
of four months.
548
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,240
She confirmed all of that and said that--
549
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,320
[Belle] I've been on
a rollercoaster of a journey.
550
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,480
I know that it's time to figure out
exactly where I stand.
551
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,160
I'm sort of thinking like,
where's this going, you-- you know?
552
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:47,840
Like what-- what's-- it was like she was
leading to something that I did…
553
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,920
I just couldn't work out where she was
going with this but I sort of just let it…
554
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,960
let it flow.
555
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,240
[Belle] I've gone through some difficult
relationships with doctors my whole life.
556
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,480
You know, there are people in my family
just that-- just are angry
557
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,000
at that team that…
558
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,280
-had lead me astray.
-[Richard] Yeah.
559
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,600
Well, and-- and it was at this point
that she…
560
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,200
she started to really obfuscate.
561
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,720
I mean, it just became very slippery.
562
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,160
[Richard] So from what you're saying,
it seems that they lead you astray?
563
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:26,440
[Belle] No. I still… for the main person
that was leading this team,
564
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,920
I still respect.
565
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,160
[Richard] Um, I think I'd read that you
also were diagnosed
566
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,680
with other secondary cancers
elsewhere then, or…?
567
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,160
[Belle] That is what this highly
recommended doctor
568
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,120
had diagnosed me with
and then disappeared.
569
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,280
The doctor who'd…
570
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,960
diagnosed those cancers
571
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,640
had kind of abandoned her and…
572
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,240
she hadn't been able to contact him
for quite some time.
573
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,320
[Belle] It's hard. It's hard to respect
someone who does something that
574
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,600
-has no moral or ethic backbone to it.
-[Richard] Right.
575
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,200
[Belle] And he's not entirely incorrect
but I know that he's not
576
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,400
entirely correct either.
I'm still waiting
577
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,360
-to know where I stand.
-[Richard] Right. Right.
578
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:21,040
Are you saying that you now have doubts
about the diagnosis
579
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,600
of these four cancers?
580
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:29,120
[Belle] I would say that it was more of a…
a misdiagnosis than completely
581
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,240
uh, fictional.
582
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,360
Christ Almighty, Belle. You're kidding,
you know. Like, what?
583
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,160
You actually don't have cancer?
584
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,200
This was just the last thing I expected.
585
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,600
After I left the interview I got in my car
and I just called my editor straight away
586
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,320
and I said, like, "You are
not going to believe this.
587
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,120
But, like, Belle Gibson just recanted on--
on the record."
588
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,840
She's basically saying she can't back up
her cancer claims.
589
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,320
I was halfway or maybe three quarters
of the way through writing this article
590
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,760
and suddenly this story appeared in a
rival newspaper The Age down in Melbourne
591
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,920
and it said that Belle Gibson had held
these charity fundraising events
592
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,280
and the charities
had not received the money.
593
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,480
[Chanelle] Finally, a journalist
from The Age phoned me and…
594
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:40,360
began telling him everything that I knew.
The little details that didn't add up.
595
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,200
We don't have any evidence,
especially medical evidence
596
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,440
stating that she doesn't have cancer, but
597
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,520
the journalists, they started to suspect
that her charity claims
598
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,960
were also fraudulent.
599
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,760
They then confirmed with the other
charities that
600
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:06,880
they had not received any donations either
so then we knew we had the story
601
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,920
and we knew once that broke that
the rest would unravel.
602
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:19,320
It was spreading really quickly.
It became a news story.
603
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,440
Just as it was published I sent a text
message to Belle
604
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,360
and…
605
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,000
I wrote, "You should check the news.
606
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,600
Dot dot dot. But you've got this, right?"
607
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:36,600
And…
608
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,760
was just kind of my last fuck you to her.
609
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,320
Belle responded by letting
the journalist know
610
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,400
she was really busy and that she just had
cash flow problems,
611
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,480
so she started to pay some of these
charities a bit of money,
612
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,440
and she claimed it was a misunderstanding.
613
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,400
I messaged Belle once I heard that the
news had broke because if it's not true,
614
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,360
then I want to be a place that she can
get support, you know?
615
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,600
And have someone that's on her side.
616
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,160
[Clair] Belle had developed this tribe of
people who were really loyal to her
617
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,880
and they stood by her. They were like,
you know, who are these journalists
618
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,320
trying to take her down?
619
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,560
You know, they were very protective
and they defended her and so
620
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,080
it seemed, you know, that she was going
to continue in a way,
621
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,600
it wasn't going to be this--
this big problem.
622
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,880
[Richard] For me, it meant that,
623
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,920
hell, there's another journalist
who's sniffing around this story
624
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,720
and I've got to get my story out right now
like there's no more delays.
625
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,520
We just have to publish tomorrow.
626
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,120
I kind of laid out what I had.
627
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,800
So I had her saying, on the record,
628
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,840
that she may have been misdiagnosed
and that she now had a new medical team
629
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,360
who were trying to work out whether her
cancers were malignant or not,
630
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,640
which completely contradicted everything
she had been saying up to that point.
631
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:19,280
So I decided to do some deep dives
into Google to try and find
632
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,440
her pre Whole Pantry history.
633
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,520
That's when I found stuff
that just floored me.
634
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,640
That's when I realized that there was
a whole history to this person
635
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:32,240
that had been sort of buried.
636
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,080
My jaw dropped open when I found it.
637
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,920
So my story ran on the front page
of The Australian the next day.
638
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,800
Her house of cards was about
to come crashing down.
639
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,520
She was public enemy number one.
640
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,480
You're 23, right?
Well, actually, how old are you?
641
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,640
Belle is my baby sister.
642
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,480
If she did have cancer,
why wasn't I informed about it?
643
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,360
The things that I knew about her had all
of a sudden were just all crumbling.
644
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,800
There's a fundamental problem here
with her and the truth.
645
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,680
Will you accept that your reality does not
actually match reality?
646
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,360
I will always love her
but I will never forgive her.
647
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,880
Would you accept that you're
a pathological liar?
648
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,840
No.
649
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,160
[closing theme playing]
54945