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Orange County Fire Rescue.
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6600 Sea Harbor Drive.
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SeaWorld Stadium.
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Okay.
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We actually have a trainer in the water
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with one of our whales--
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the whale that they're not supposed
to be in the water with.
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Okay.
We'll get somebody en route.
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Okay, through gate #3 to Shamu Stadium.
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Gate 3.
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Orange County Sheriff's Office.
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We need SO to respond
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for a dead person at SeaWorld.
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Uh, a whale has eaten one of the trainers.
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A whale ate one of the trainers?
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That's correct.
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Do you believe?
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My parents first brought me to a SeaWorld park
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when I was very young.
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From that point forward, I was hooked.
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It meant everything to me because
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I'd never wanted anything more.
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I remember being probably
in first or second grade
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watching National Geographic specials
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or Mutual of Omaha specials
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and seeing whales and seeing dolphins
and as a little kid
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just being really incredibly inspired by it.
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I never went to SeaWorld.
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I grew up in New York,
so I went to the Bronx Zoo.
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Grew up on a lake with horses.
We'd swim the horses.
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I grew up around the ocean.
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I came from the middle of the country
in flatland Kansas.
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I'm from Virginia.
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Traveled down, did the theme park thing
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in Orlando when I was 17
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and saw the night show at Shamu Stadium.
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Very emotional, you know, popular music.
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And I was just-- I was very driven
to want to do that.
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Then I saw what the trainers did...
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and I said,
"That's what I want to do."
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One of the trainers there, he goes,
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"What are you doing out there?
You should be a trainer."
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I go, "I don't know how to train animals.
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I've never trained animals
in my life."
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How do you prepare yourself for an encounter
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with an 8,000-pound Orcinus orca?
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I always thought
you needed, like, a master's degree
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in marine biology to be a trainer.
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It takes years of study and experience
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to meet the strict requirements necessary
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to interact in the water with Shamu.
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Come to find out, it really is more about
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your personality and how good you can swim.
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I went and tried out, got the job right away.
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I'm like, "Yeah!"
So excited, you know.
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I was so, so excited.
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I really wanted to be there.
I really wanted to do the job.
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I couldn't wait to get in the water
with the animals.
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I really was proud of being a SeaWorld trainer.
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You know, I thought this was
the most amazing job.
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I showed up there on my first day,
not really knowing what to expect.
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I was told to put on a wetsuit
and get in the water.
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Hi, Mom!
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Oh, I was scared out of my wits.
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First of all, I put my wetsuit on backwards
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because I was raised on a farm in Virginia.
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- Hi, Dad!
- My first thought
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and memory of that time
was that dolphins are a lot bigger...
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...heh, than they look
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when you get in the water next to them.
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Well, I watched the Sea Lion & Otter Show,
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and this guy, Mike Morocco,
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he comes out during the show
with a dress on as Dorky,
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the alter ego of Dorothy--
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in a dress with a sea lion,
the Coward Sea Lion, right?
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And he's walking along with this little basket,
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and I go, "I will never,
ever do that."
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You know?
Two months later...
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Hi, I'm Dorky!
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Walking out onstage with a sea lion.
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I was overwhelmed and I was so excited.
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I mean, just seeing a killer whale...
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is breathtaking.
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I was just in awe.
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It's shocking to see how large they are
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and how beautiful they are.
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Being in the presence of the killer whales
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was just inspiring and amazing,
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and I remember seeing them for the first time,
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just not being able to believe
how huge they were.
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You're there because you want to train
killer whales and that's your goal.
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Yay!
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I didn't know it was going to happen,
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so I wasn't expecting it.
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And one day they say,
"Okay, Sam, you're ready to go."
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Come on, you got it.
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"You're going to stand on the whale.
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You're going to dive off the whale.
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The whale's going to swim under you
and pick you up again.
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And then you're going to do
a perimeter ride around the pool."
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Good!
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Keep moving.
Ride him to the slide-out.
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They just told me to go do it and I did it.
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Wow, I did-- I just rode
a killer whale.
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Yay, girly!
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When you look into their eyes,
you know somebody is home.
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Somebody's looking back.
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You form a very personal relationship
with your animal.
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There's something absolutely amazing
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about working with an animal.
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You are a team.
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You build a relationship together.
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You both understand the goal
and you help each other.
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I've been with this whale
since I was 18 years old
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and I've seen her have all four of her babies.
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We've grown up together. Huh?
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That's the joy I got out of it.
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It's a relationship like I've never had.
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Bro,
I have to know-- are you nervous?
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I'm scared.
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- Oh, no.
- Nice hair, Jeff.
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Did you see anything?
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Projection for the future of Jeff Ventre.
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Jeff Ventre is going to go over there,
he's going to shine.
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- You're going to notice...
- Dawn.
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- Oh, that's Dawn.
- Wow.
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He's going to be my supervisor one day.
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There you go.
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I knew Dawn when she was new.
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She was a great person to work with
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and she obviously blossomed
into one of SeaWorld's best trainers.
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This is Dawn Brancheau.
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Dawn is the senior trainer
here at Shamu Stadium.
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I guess you could say
I kind of knew Dawn in a past life.
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It's a tough job, isn't it?
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Yeah, we really do go through
a lot of physical exertion.
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You can see in the show
we do a lot of deepwater work,
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breath holds, very high-energy
behaviors with animals.
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Obviously they're giving out
a lot of energy too,
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but we're working together
and having a lot of fun as well.
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She's beautiful, she's blonde,
she's athletic, she's friendly.
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You know, everybody loves Dawn.
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And I mean this so sincerely,
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watching you perform yesterday--
you're amazing.
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- Thank you.
- You really are.
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She captured what it means
to be a SeaWorld trainer.
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She had so much experience
that it made me realize
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what happened to her
really could have happened to anyone.
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This is Detective Revere
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with the Orange County Sheriff's Office.
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Today's date is February 24, 2010.
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The time is 4:16.
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In the room with me right now
is a Thomas George Tobin.
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- Is that correct?
- Correct.
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- So the arm is nowhere...
- Right.
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OSHA, on behalf of the federal government,
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is basically suggesting that swimming with orcas
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is inherently dangerous
and that you can't completely predict
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the outcome when you enter the water
or enter their environment.
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That's the crux of the OSHA case.
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Stay out of proximity with the animals
and you won't get killed.
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It will have a ripple effect
through the whole industry.
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This was national headline news.
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SeaWorld's whale performances
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may never be the same.
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Right now the theme park is arguing in court
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to keep whale trainers in the water,
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something OSHA says is extremely dangerous.
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These are wild animals,
and they are unpredictable
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because we don't speak whale.
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We don't speak whale, we don't speak tiger,
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we don't speak monkey.
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And tempers flared between the two sides today
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when OSHA's attorney suggested
that SeaWorld only made changes
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after trainer Dawn Brancheau's death
outraged the public.
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OSHA doesn't want
the trainers going back in the water
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without a physical barrier
between them and the whales.
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Being in close proximity
to these top predators is too dangerous.
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They won't then be getting in the water
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riding on the whales, things like that.
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If you were in a bathtub for 25 years,
don't you think you'd get
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a little irritated, aggravated,
maybe a little psychotic?
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The situation with Dawn Brancheau--
it didn't just happen.
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It's not a singular event.
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You have to go back over 20 years
to understand this.
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It was a really exciting thing to do
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and so everybody wanted to do it.
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What were they telling you you were going to do?
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Mm, capture orcas.
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Whoo-hoo!
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They had aircraft,
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they had spotters, they had speedboats,
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they had bombs they were throwing in the water.
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They were lighting their bombs
with acetylene torches in their boats
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and throwing them as fast as they could
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to herd the whales into coves.
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Whoo!
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But the orcas had been caught before
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and they knew what was going on
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and they knew their young ones
would be taken from them.
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So the adults without young
went east into a cul-de-sac
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and the boats followed them,
thinking they were all going that way,
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while the mothers with babies went north.
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But the capture teams had aircraft.
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And they have to come up for air eventually.
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And when they did,
the capture teams alerted the boats
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and said, "Oh, no, they're going north--
the ones with babies."
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So the boats-- the speedboats
caught them there
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and herded them in.
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And then they had fishing boats with seine nets
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that they would stretch across
so none could leave
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and then they could just pick out
the young ones.
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We were only after the little ones.
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And a little one is, you know,
a big animal still.
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But I was told because of shipping costs
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that's why they only take the little ones.
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They had the young ones
that they wanted in the corrals,
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so they dropped the seine nets.
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And all the others could have left,
but they stayed.
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We're there, trying to get
the young orca into the stretcher,
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and the whole famn damily is out here,
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25 yards away maybe,
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in a big line...
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...and they're communicating
back and forth.
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Well...
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you understand then what you're doing, you know.
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I-- I lost it.
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I mean, I just started crying.
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I didn't stop working,
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but I...
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you know, I just couldn't handle it.
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Just like kidnapping a little kid
away from their mother.
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Everybody's watching.
What can you do?
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It's the worst thing I can think of, you know?
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I can't think of anything worse than that.
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Now, and this really sounds bad,
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but when the whole hunt was over,
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there were three dead whales in the net.
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And...
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so they had Peter and Brian and I...
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cut the whales open, fill them with rocks,
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put anchors on their tail, and sink them.
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Well...
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you know...
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really, I didn't even think about it
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being illegal at that point.
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I thought it was a PR thing.
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They were finally ejected
from the State of Washington
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by a court order in 1976.
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It was SeaWorld by name that was told,
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"Do not come back to Washington
to capture whales."
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Without missing a beat, they went
from Washington to Iceland
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and began capturing there.
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I've been part of a revolution
and two change of presidents
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in Central and South America...
257
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and seen some things that's hard to believe,
258
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but this is the worst thing
that I've ever done--
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is hunt that whale.
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Sealand has been
a part of Victoria for over 20 years.
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We specialize in the care
and display of killer whales.
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By the time I started, when he was four,
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he was up to 16 feet long
and weighed 4,000 pounds.
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Tilikum, up again.
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Thank you.
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I had actually seen Tilikum
quite a number of times.
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He was right across the street here in Victoria.
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Now, this show
can get a little bit soggy at times.
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All Sealand was was a net hanging in a marina
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with a float around it.
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Tilikum was the one
we really loved to work with.
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He was very well behaved
and he was always eager to please.
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When he was first introduced,
everything just went fine and dandy,
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but the previous head trainer
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used techniques that involved punishment.
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He would team a trained orca up
with Tilikum who was untrained.
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He would send them both off
to do the same behavior.
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If Tilikum didn't do it,
then both animals were punished.
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Deprived of food to keep them hungry,
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this caused a lot of frustration
with the larger animal,
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the established animal,
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and would in turn get frustrated with Tilikum
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and would rake him with his teeth.
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There would be times during certain seasons
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that Tilikum would be covered
head to toe with rakes.
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Rakes are teeth on teeth and raking the skin.
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And from head to toe you could see blood
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and you could see scratches,
and he would just be raked up.
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Both females would gang up on him.
290
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Tilikum was the one we trusted.
291
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We never were concerned about Tilikum.
292
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The issue was really that we stored
these whales at night
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in what we call a module,
which was 20 feet across
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and probably 30 feet deep as a safety precaution
295
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because we were worried about people
cutting the net and letting them go.
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And the lights were all turned out,
so there was really no stimulation.
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They're just in this dark,
metal 20x30-foot pool
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for two-thirds of their life.
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When we first started,
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they were quite small and quite young.
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So they fit in there quite nicely,
302
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but they were immobile for the most part.
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It didn't feel good.
It just didn't.
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And it was just wrong.
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We started having difficulty getting them all
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into this one small steel box, to be honest.
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That's what it was.
It was a floating steel box.
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That's where food deprivation would come in.
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We would hold back food,
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and they would know if they went in the module
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that they would get their food.
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So if they're hungry enough,
they're going to go in there.
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And during the winter that would be
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from 5:00 at night
till 7:00 in the morning.
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When you let them out,
you'd see these new tooth rakes
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and sometimes you'd see blood.
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Closing that door on him
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and knowing that he's locked in there
for the whole night is like...
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it's a stab, it's a "whoa."
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If that is true, it's not only inhumane,
321
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and I'll tell them so...
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but it probably led to what I think
is a psychosis that...
323
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he was on a hair trigger.
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He'd kill.
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An employee is dead after an encounter...
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...at a Canadian park
called Sealand of the Pacific.
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The victim, Keltie Byrne,
was a championship swimmer
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and a part-time worker at Sealand.
329
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As seen in this home video,
rescuers used a huge net to try...
330
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...rescue workers' efforts
were hindered by the agitated whales.
331
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I'd like to make
the Pan Pacific team this summer,
332
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but my more immediate goal
is just to swim fast at nationals.
333
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It was sort of a cloudy, gray day
334
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and we were looking for something to do,
335
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so we thought,
"Why not go to Sealand?"
336
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It was kind of like this dingy pool
with these whales and--
337
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it just felt a little bit like an amusement park
338
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that was kind of on its last legs
and everything was a bit gray.
339
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Yeah. It was like
a swimming pool.
340
00:19:00,978 --> 00:19:01,979
- Yeah, yeah.
- You know,
341
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three whales in a swimming pool.
342
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Yeah.
343
00:19:05,149 --> 00:19:08,569
And they would come up
and touch the ball and there was--
344
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I think there was some tail splashing
and there was some--
345
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- Some jumping.
- The fish. And--
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They hold the fish and the whales jump up.
347
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I remember saying, "Oh, what a fun job.
348
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You know, she's so lucky."
349
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And then I saw her walking with her rubber boots
350
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and she tripped and her foot
just dipped into the edge of the pool
351
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and she lost her balance and fell in.
352
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And then she was pushing her way up
to get out of the pool
353
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and the whale zoomed over, grabbed her boot,
354
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and pulled her back in.
355
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At first, I didn't think it was that serious
356
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because you see the trainer
in the pool with the whale
357
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and you think, "Oh, well,
the whales are used to that."
358
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And then all of a sudden,
it started getting--
359
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there was more swimming,
more activity, more thrashing,
360
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and she was starting to get panicked.
361
00:20:00,454 --> 00:20:03,207
And then as it progressed,
you started to realize,
362
00:20:03,374 --> 00:20:05,668
"Whoa, something's not right here."
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00:20:05,835 --> 00:20:08,713
She started to scream
and she started looking around
364
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,132
and her eyes were, like, bigger and bigger
365
00:20:11,299 --> 00:20:13,926
and realizing that,
"I really am in trouble here."
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And then they would pull her under.
367
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And then they would come up
and then when she--
368
00:20:19,348 --> 00:20:21,559
they came up, she'd be,
"Help me, help me."
369
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And then they'd take her down again.
370
00:20:23,227 --> 00:20:26,647
And she would be submerged for several seconds
371
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up to, I don't know, maybe a minute.
372
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You're not keeping track.
373
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So it was harder and harder
for her to get the air in
374
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because she was screaming.
375
00:20:38,326 --> 00:20:42,079
And my sister remembers
her saying, "I don't want to die."
376
00:20:46,792 --> 00:20:50,630
Well, condolences to Keltie's family.
377
00:20:50,796 --> 00:20:52,673
Yeah.
378
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That we couldn't help her
379
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was pretty wretched.
380
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Sealand closed.
Well, it's probably a good thing.
381
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I mean, it was a little pond.
382
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And I think the owner,
383
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you know, made the right decision
for whatever reasons.
384
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I don't believe he's a bad guy, a bad man.
385
00:21:12,526 --> 00:21:14,654
I think he was shocked by the whole affair, too.
386
00:21:15,655 --> 00:21:17,615
The blush was gone from the business
387
00:21:17,782 --> 00:21:21,077
and he decided that that was it.
388
00:21:21,243 --> 00:21:22,411
We should shut down.
389
00:21:22,578 --> 00:21:25,414
No one ever contacted us.
There was an inquest.
390
00:21:25,581 --> 00:21:29,001
No one ever asked us to say what happened.
391
00:21:29,168 --> 00:21:31,212
- Yeah.
- You know, we just left.
392
00:21:31,379 --> 00:21:34,590
There was no big lawsuits afterwards
and there was no memorial.
393
00:21:34,757 --> 00:21:39,178
And the only thing remaining
of Keltie Byrne is--
394
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is what's left in the folks' minds
who recall the case.
395
00:21:44,767 --> 00:21:46,769
So in the newspaper articles,
396
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the cause of death
was that she drowned accidentally,
397
00:21:49,981 --> 00:21:53,192
but she was pulled under by the whale.
398
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,444
Well, there's a bit of smoke
and mirrors going on.
399
00:21:55,611 --> 00:21:58,489
I mean, one of the fundamental facts is
is that none of the witnesses
400
00:21:58,656 --> 00:22:02,451
were clear about which whale pulled Keltie in.
401
00:22:02,618 --> 00:22:05,162
Yes. Yeah, it was the large whale.
402
00:22:05,329 --> 00:22:08,374
Tilikum, the male, is the one
that went after her.
403
00:22:08,541 --> 00:22:11,293
And the other two just kind of circled around.
404
00:22:11,460 --> 00:22:13,754
But he was definitely the instigator.
405
00:22:13,921 --> 00:22:18,175
And we knew it was that whale
because he had the flopped-over fin.
406
00:22:18,342 --> 00:22:20,845
Like, it was very easy to tell.
407
00:22:25,141 --> 00:22:29,061
Sealand of the Pacific closed
its doors and was looking, I guess,
408
00:22:29,228 --> 00:22:30,521
to make a buck on the way out
409
00:22:30,688 --> 00:22:32,773
and these whales are worth millions of dollars.
410
00:22:32,940 --> 00:22:35,484
When SeaWorld heard that Tilikum was available
411
00:22:35,651 --> 00:22:38,988
after this accident at Sealand of the Pacific,
412
00:22:39,155 --> 00:22:41,699
they really wanted Tilikum
because they needed a breeder.
413
00:22:41,866 --> 00:22:44,243
So I don't even think that anybody
even was questioning,
414
00:22:44,410 --> 00:22:46,245
like, is this a good idea?
415
00:22:46,412 --> 00:22:50,082
My understanding of the situation
was that Tilikum and the others
416
00:22:50,249 --> 00:22:51,667
would not be used in shows.
417
00:22:51,834 --> 00:22:53,419
They would not be performance animals.
418
00:22:53,586 --> 00:22:54,920
Our understanding of their behavior
419
00:22:55,087 --> 00:22:57,715
was that it was such
a highly stimulating event for them
420
00:22:57,882 --> 00:22:59,300
that they were likely to repeat it.
421
00:22:59,467 --> 00:23:02,178
Sealand was-- we were all young
and bit of sea cowboys
422
00:23:02,344 --> 00:23:05,306
and we weren't so technical
and scientific as SeaWorld,
423
00:23:05,473 --> 00:23:07,767
so we all had this vision
that they knew more than us
424
00:23:07,933 --> 00:23:09,477
and they were better than us
and Tilikum would have
425
00:23:09,643 --> 00:23:11,187
a bigger pool and he'd have a better life
426
00:23:11,353 --> 00:23:13,439
and he would have better care
and he'd have better food
427
00:23:13,606 --> 00:23:15,649
and it'd be a great life for him.
428
00:23:15,816 --> 00:23:18,277
So it was like, "Okay, Tilly.
429
00:23:18,444 --> 00:23:21,697
You're going to Disneyland.
Lucky you."
430
00:23:28,245 --> 00:23:29,330
The orcas' intelligence
431
00:23:29,497 --> 00:23:31,832
may be even superior to man's.
432
00:23:31,999 --> 00:23:35,211
As parents, they are exemplary,
better than many human beings.
433
00:23:35,377 --> 00:23:39,590
And like human beings, they have
a profound instinct for vengeance.
434
00:23:42,802 --> 00:23:44,178
Dino De Laurentiis presents...
435
00:23:44,345 --> 00:23:46,597
..."Orca."
436
00:23:46,764 --> 00:23:51,435
If you go back only 35 years, we knew nothing.
437
00:23:51,602 --> 00:23:52,853
In fact, less than nothing.
438
00:23:53,020 --> 00:23:55,981
What the public had was superstition and fear.
439
00:23:56,148 --> 00:23:58,275
A fight to the death...
440
00:23:59,902 --> 00:24:02,613
between the two most dangerous animals on Earth.
441
00:24:02,780 --> 00:24:04,323
What in hell are you?!
442
00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:06,367
These were the vicious killer whales
443
00:24:06,534 --> 00:24:08,786
that, you know, had 48 sharp teeth
444
00:24:08,953 --> 00:24:11,539
that would rip you to shreds
if they got a chance.
445
00:24:15,876 --> 00:24:19,713
What we learned is that
they're amazingly friendly
446
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,551
and understanding and intuitively
want to be your companion.
447
00:24:23,717 --> 00:24:25,845
Are you recording this?
448
00:24:28,764 --> 00:24:30,975
And to this day there is no record
449
00:24:31,142 --> 00:24:34,228
of an orca doing any harm
to any human in the wild.
450
00:24:47,783 --> 00:24:50,661
They live in these big families.
451
00:24:52,371 --> 00:24:55,416
And they have life spans
very similar to human life spans.
452
00:24:55,583 --> 00:24:59,253
The females can live to about 100, maybe more,
453
00:24:59,420 --> 00:25:01,922
males to about 50 or 60.
454
00:25:02,089 --> 00:25:06,177
But the adult offspring never leave
their mother's side.
455
00:25:08,846 --> 00:25:13,392
Each community has a completely
different set of behaviors.
456
00:25:15,186 --> 00:25:19,231
Each has a complete repertoire of vocalizations
457
00:25:19,398 --> 00:25:22,318
with no overlap.
458
00:25:22,484 --> 00:25:23,861
You could call them languages.
459
00:25:24,028 --> 00:25:26,363
The scientific community is reluctant to say
460
00:25:26,530 --> 00:25:29,074
any other animal but humans uses languages,
461
00:25:29,241 --> 00:25:32,745
but there's every indication
that they use languages.
462
00:25:32,912 --> 00:25:36,207
The orca brain just screams out
463
00:25:36,373 --> 00:25:38,709
intelligence, awareness.
464
00:25:38,876 --> 00:25:40,544
We took this tremendous brain
465
00:25:40,711 --> 00:25:44,215
and we put it in a magnetic
resonance imaging scanner.
466
00:25:44,381 --> 00:25:48,302
What we found was just astounding.
467
00:25:48,469 --> 00:25:51,388
They've got a part of the brain
that humans don't have.
468
00:25:51,555 --> 00:25:54,975
A part of their brain has extended out
469
00:25:55,142 --> 00:25:57,937
right adjacent to their limbic system.
470
00:25:58,103 --> 00:26:00,856
The system processes emotions.
471
00:26:01,023 --> 00:26:04,109
The safest inference would be these are animals
472
00:26:04,276 --> 00:26:08,447
that have highly elaborated emotional lives.
473
00:26:08,614 --> 00:26:11,408
It's becoming clear that dolphins and whales
474
00:26:11,575 --> 00:26:14,912
have a sense of self, a sense of social bonding
475
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:17,414
that they've taken to another level--
476
00:26:17,581 --> 00:26:20,084
much stronger, much more complex
477
00:26:20,251 --> 00:26:24,004
than in other mammals, including humans.
478
00:26:24,171 --> 00:26:26,382
We look at mass strandings,
479
00:26:26,548 --> 00:26:29,593
the fact that they stand by each other.
480
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,888
Everything about them
is social-- everything.
481
00:26:33,889 --> 00:26:37,434
It's been suggested
that their whole sense of self
482
00:26:37,601 --> 00:26:40,980
is distributed among
the individuals in their group.
483
00:26:41,146 --> 00:26:42,940
There are five of them.
484
00:26:43,107 --> 00:26:47,027
These orca are going
to attack this seal on--
485
00:26:47,194 --> 00:26:51,907
they've been breaking the ice off
and swimming around him.
486
00:26:52,074 --> 00:26:53,826
Oh, here they come, two of them.
Lookit, underneath there.
487
00:26:53,993 --> 00:26:55,494
You can see them underneath.
488
00:26:55,661 --> 00:26:58,038
They made a big wave.
Look at that, a big wave.
489
00:26:58,205 --> 00:26:59,290
- Oh, yeah.
- Whoa.
490
00:26:59,456 --> 00:27:01,917
- Oh, God.
- Oh, God. No, no, no.
491
00:27:02,084 --> 00:27:04,420
Oh!
Oh, I can't stand it.
492
00:27:04,586 --> 00:27:07,006
If you can't watch
the bullfight, you'd better leave.
493
00:27:07,172 --> 00:27:09,925
Oh, yeah, here they go.
Look at this-- three of them.
494
00:27:10,926 --> 00:27:11,927
Look at this. Look at this.
495
00:27:12,094 --> 00:27:13,804
Oh, God. Oh, no!
496
00:27:13,971 --> 00:27:15,472
- Oh, God!
- It's all over.
497
00:27:15,639 --> 00:27:17,641
Nope, not quite.
498
00:27:17,808 --> 00:27:20,769
Yeah, it's all over.
499
00:27:20,936 --> 00:27:22,688
It's all over.
500
00:27:36,910 --> 00:27:40,414
The First Nations people
and the old fishermen on the coast,
501
00:27:40,581 --> 00:27:43,167
they call them "blackfish."
502
00:27:43,334 --> 00:27:47,504
They're an animal that possesses
great spiritual power
503
00:27:47,671 --> 00:27:50,090
and they're not to be meddled with.
504
00:27:54,595 --> 00:27:56,764
I've spent a lot of time around killer whales
505
00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:58,474
and they're always in charge.
506
00:27:59,808 --> 00:28:02,519
I never get out of the boat,
I never mess with them.
507
00:28:04,438 --> 00:28:06,940
The speed and the power is quite amazing.
508
00:28:14,490 --> 00:28:16,367
Rules are the same
as the pool hall--
509
00:28:16,533 --> 00:28:19,495
keep one foot on the floor at all times.
510
00:28:23,415 --> 00:28:25,918
Even after seeing them thousands of times...
511
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:32,716
you see them and you still--
512
00:28:32,883 --> 00:28:34,635
you know, wake up.
513
00:28:47,731 --> 00:28:50,192
He arrived, I think, in 1992.
514
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:52,694
I was at Whale and Dolphin Stadium
when he arrived.
515
00:28:52,861 --> 00:28:57,116
And he's twice as large
as the next animal in the facility.
516
00:28:57,282 --> 00:28:58,283
Yay!
517
00:28:58,450 --> 00:28:59,827
The guy is right at about 12,000 pounds.
518
00:28:59,993 --> 00:29:03,288
That's incredible.
He looks fantastic.
519
00:29:03,455 --> 00:29:05,582
When Tilikum arrived at SeaWorld,
520
00:29:05,749 --> 00:29:10,712
he was attacked viciously,
repeatedly by Katina and others.
521
00:29:10,879 --> 00:29:14,299
In the wild, it's a very matriarchal society.
522
00:29:14,466 --> 00:29:17,344
Male whales are kept at the perimeter.
523
00:29:17,511 --> 00:29:19,054
In captivity,
524
00:29:19,221 --> 00:29:23,392
the animals are squeezed
into very close proximity.
525
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:25,686
Tilikum-- the poor guy
is so large,
526
00:29:25,853 --> 00:29:29,481
he couldn't get away
because he just is not as mobile
527
00:29:29,648 --> 00:29:32,484
relative to the smaller and more agile females.
528
00:29:32,651 --> 00:29:35,195
And where was he going to run?
There's no place to run.
529
00:29:35,362 --> 00:29:37,865
I think he spent a lot of time in isolation.
530
00:29:38,031 --> 00:29:40,492
SeaWorld claims that, "Oh, no,
he's always in with the other--
531
00:29:40,659 --> 00:29:42,661
with the females," but from what I saw,
532
00:29:42,828 --> 00:29:45,456
he was mostly put with the females
for breeding purposes
533
00:29:45,622 --> 00:29:49,710
and he didn't spend a lot of time,
you know, with the other whales.
534
00:29:49,877 --> 00:29:53,338
It's for his own protection
that he gets beat up.
535
00:29:53,505 --> 00:29:55,674
And so by segregating him,
536
00:29:55,841 --> 00:30:00,804
it provides a physical barrier
so the females can't kick his butt.
537
00:30:00,971 --> 00:30:03,599
Tilikum is pretty much kept in the back,
538
00:30:03,765 --> 00:30:08,103
and then brought out at the very end
as, like, the big splash.
539
00:30:12,357 --> 00:30:15,235
He was always happy to see you in the morning.
540
00:30:15,402 --> 00:30:16,820
- Hi!
- There we go.
541
00:30:16,987 --> 00:30:19,072
- You're the boy.
- Look at his chompers.
542
00:30:19,239 --> 00:30:21,533
Maybe because he was alone,
maybe because he was hungry,
543
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:22,910
maybe because he just liked you--
544
00:30:23,076 --> 00:30:25,078
who knows what was going on in his head.
545
00:30:25,245 --> 00:30:27,414
You want to whistle?
546
00:30:27,581 --> 00:30:30,542
-- All right, so he can talk to us.
547
00:30:30,709 --> 00:30:32,169
- Yes.
- You don't say.
548
00:30:32,336 --> 00:30:33,670
He's precious.
Yes?
549
00:30:33,837 --> 00:30:35,047
That was really loud.
Terrific.
550
00:30:37,466 --> 00:30:39,301
- Come on, big boy.
- Show the pecs.
551
00:30:39,468 --> 00:30:41,803
He seemed to like to work.
He seemed to be interested.
552
00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:44,348
He seemed to want to learn new things.
553
00:30:44,515 --> 00:30:47,559
He seemed to be enjoying
working with the trainers.
554
00:30:49,394 --> 00:30:52,397
He, for me, was a joy.
555
00:30:52,564 --> 00:30:54,274
He really responded to me and I--
556
00:30:54,441 --> 00:30:57,236
you know, every day I went to work,
I was happy to see Tilly.
557
00:30:59,863 --> 00:31:02,950
- Boop!
- That's cute.
558
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:09,289
You're being too cute.
559
00:31:09,456 --> 00:31:12,125
I never got the impression
of him while I was there
560
00:31:12,292 --> 00:31:15,379
that, oh, my God, he's the scary whale.
561
00:31:15,546 --> 00:31:16,547
Not at all.
562
00:31:16,713 --> 00:31:21,301
Maybe some of it's just our naiveté or whatever,
563
00:31:21,468 --> 00:31:24,012
you know, because we weren't given
564
00:31:24,179 --> 00:31:26,598
the full details of Keltie's situation.
565
00:31:26,765 --> 00:31:28,183
Turn around.
Smile, buddy.
566
00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:30,102
- Cheese.
- Yay!
567
00:31:30,269 --> 00:31:32,729
I was under the impression
that Tilikum had nothing to do
568
00:31:32,896 --> 00:31:35,190
with her death specifically,
that it was the female whales
569
00:31:35,357 --> 00:31:36,525
who were responsible for her death.
570
00:31:36,692 --> 00:31:39,528
What I found really odd at first
was the way they were acting
571
00:31:39,695 --> 00:31:41,530
around this whale and what they had told us
572
00:31:41,697 --> 00:31:43,907
seemed to me to be two different things.
573
00:31:44,074 --> 00:31:45,826
The first day he arrived, I remember
574
00:31:45,993 --> 00:31:48,662
one of the senior trainers
at SeaWorld, she--
575
00:31:48,829 --> 00:31:51,915
Tilikum was in a pool
and she was walking over a gate,
576
00:31:52,082 --> 00:31:54,710
and she had her wetsuit unzipped
and it was tied around her waist.
577
00:31:54,876 --> 00:31:56,920
And she was making cooing noises and going,
578
00:31:57,087 --> 00:31:58,714
"Hey, Tilikum,
what a cute little whale."
579
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,633
And she was, like,
just kind of play-talking at him,
580
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,429
and one of the supervisors said,
"Get her out of there!"
581
00:32:05,596 --> 00:32:07,931
And just screamed at her,
like, "Get her away from there,"
582
00:32:08,098 --> 00:32:10,058
like they were so worried
that something was going to happen.
583
00:32:10,225 --> 00:32:13,270
And I remember thinking,
"Why are you guys making
584
00:32:13,437 --> 00:32:16,189
such a big deal out of this
when he didn't actually kill her?"
585
00:32:16,356 --> 00:32:19,484
Well, clearly management thought
there was some reason
586
00:32:19,651 --> 00:32:21,445
to exercise caution around him.
587
00:32:21,612 --> 00:32:24,239
You know, clearly they knew more
than they were telling us.
588
00:32:25,574 --> 00:32:28,076
Ladies and gentlemen, the next two
behaviors you're going to be seeing,
589
00:32:28,243 --> 00:32:30,495
you can only see right here at SeaWorld.
590
00:32:31,496 --> 00:32:35,125
Jeff was out in the audience
filming one of the Shamu shows.
591
00:32:35,292 --> 00:32:36,543
It was a perfect show.
592
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:37,961
All of the hot dog sequences,
593
00:32:38,128 --> 00:32:40,255
the water works sequences went off great.
594
00:32:43,050 --> 00:32:45,302
I was really excited just to be capturing this
595
00:32:45,469 --> 00:32:48,138
because it was kind of turning out
to be a great show.
596
00:32:51,433 --> 00:32:53,810
A show that's kind of complete--
597
00:32:53,977 --> 00:32:57,731
it doesn't-- it probably only happens
a few times a week.
598
00:32:59,358 --> 00:33:02,110
At the very end of the show,
Liz was working Tilikum
599
00:33:02,277 --> 00:33:04,363
and apparently Tilikum
lunged out of the water at her.
600
00:33:04,529 --> 00:33:07,783
And I had captured Tilikum
coming out of the water
601
00:33:07,949 --> 00:33:09,868
kind of turning sideways and appeared to me
602
00:33:10,035 --> 00:33:11,453
to try to grab Liz.
603
00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:13,622
And at that moment,
604
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:15,916
the tape became unusable.
605
00:33:16,083 --> 00:33:19,336
I was just kind of basically instructed
to get rid of the tape.
606
00:33:19,503 --> 00:33:22,756
Wanting to kind of preserve the tape,
I actually used the editing equipment
607
00:33:22,923 --> 00:33:26,009
and snipped out
that little half-second or second
608
00:33:26,176 --> 00:33:28,178
when he did that and stitched it back together
609
00:33:28,345 --> 00:33:30,681
so it just kind of looked like
a glitch in the tape.
610
00:33:30,847 --> 00:33:32,808
And I'm like, "Look at this."
And it was like, "No.
611
00:33:32,974 --> 00:33:34,393
This is no longer usable."
612
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,853
You know, and so we had to destroy the tape.
613
00:34:15,142 --> 00:34:17,436
It's pretty outrageous that SeaWorld would claim
614
00:34:17,602 --> 00:34:20,105
there was no expecting Tilikum
to come out of the water
615
00:34:20,272 --> 00:34:22,065
because they had witnessed him
coming out of the water,
616
00:34:22,232 --> 00:34:24,276
and it's written into his profile.
617
00:34:26,486 --> 00:34:28,488
He lunges at trainers.
618
00:34:32,325 --> 00:34:35,370
When we visit SeaWorld,
we tend to take advantage of the fact
619
00:34:35,537 --> 00:34:39,082
that Shamu has been provided
with a safe and comfortable habitat.
620
00:34:39,249 --> 00:34:41,168
And everything trained is an extension
621
00:34:41,334 --> 00:34:44,087
of the killer whale's natural behavior.
622
00:34:44,254 --> 00:34:47,424
I spewed out the party line during shows.
623
00:34:47,591 --> 00:34:49,342
I'm totally mortified now.
624
00:34:49,509 --> 00:34:53,388
There was like-- something like,
"Look at Namu.
625
00:34:53,555 --> 00:34:56,308
Namu's not doing that
because she has to."
626
00:34:56,475 --> 00:34:59,936
Namu is doing this because she really wants to.
627
00:35:00,103 --> 00:35:01,730
Oh, my gosh.
628
00:35:01,897 --> 00:35:03,982
Like, some of the things I'm embarrassed by,
629
00:35:04,149 --> 00:35:05,358
so embarrassed by.
630
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,905
At the time, I think
I could have convinced myself
631
00:35:10,071 --> 00:35:13,408
that the relationships that we had
were built on something
632
00:35:13,575 --> 00:35:16,369
stronger than the fact
that I'm giving them fish.
633
00:35:16,536 --> 00:35:18,038
You know, I like to think that...
634
00:35:20,123 --> 00:35:22,584
but I don't know that that's the truth.
635
00:35:25,712 --> 00:35:29,216
I had been there a while and I had seen
a few other things along the way
636
00:35:29,382 --> 00:35:32,719
that made me question why I was there
637
00:35:32,886 --> 00:35:34,554
and what we were doing with these animals.
638
00:35:38,225 --> 00:35:40,685
On November 4, 1988,
639
00:35:40,852 --> 00:35:43,271
a killer whale at SeaWorld
640
00:35:43,438 --> 00:35:46,900
gave the performance of a lifetime.
641
00:35:53,824 --> 00:35:56,451
Don't miss this small miracle.
642
00:35:56,618 --> 00:36:00,372
Come see our new Baby Shamu.
643
00:36:00,539 --> 00:36:02,582
I know it was naive of me,
644
00:36:02,749 --> 00:36:04,543
but I thought that...
645
00:36:07,045 --> 00:36:09,214
it was our responsibility
to do as much as we could
646
00:36:09,381 --> 00:36:11,007
to keep their family units together
647
00:36:11,174 --> 00:36:13,927
since we knew that in the wild
that's what happens.
648
00:36:14,094 --> 00:36:16,346
♪ Yes, sir, that's our baby... ♪
649
00:36:16,513 --> 00:36:18,849
Kalina was the first Baby Shamu.
650
00:36:19,015 --> 00:36:21,601
Baby Shamu--
SeaWorld's newest star...
651
00:36:21,768 --> 00:36:26,189
She had become quite disruptive
and challenging her mom a little bit
652
00:36:26,356 --> 00:36:28,859
and disrupting some shows
and that kind of thing.
653
00:36:29,025 --> 00:36:30,902
♪ She's got the whole place jumpin' ♪
654
00:36:31,069 --> 00:36:34,281
♪ Shamu,
she's that baby whale. ♪
655
00:36:35,282 --> 00:36:37,117
It was decided by the higher-ups
that she would be moved
656
00:36:37,284 --> 00:36:40,161
to another park when she was
just four, four and a half years old.
657
00:36:40,328 --> 00:36:44,416
And that was news to us as trainers
that were working with her.
658
00:36:44,583 --> 00:36:47,168
To me, it had never crossed my mind
659
00:36:47,335 --> 00:36:51,089
that they might be moving the baby from her mom.
660
00:36:54,175 --> 00:36:57,846
The supervisors basically
was kind of mocking me,
661
00:36:58,013 --> 00:37:00,432
like, "Oh, you're saying, 'Poor Kalina,"'
662
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,935
you know, "'what's she going to do
without her mommy?"'
663
00:37:04,102 --> 00:37:06,855
And, you know-- and that
of course just shut me up.
664
00:37:08,523 --> 00:37:11,067
So, the night of the move,
we had to deploy the nets
665
00:37:11,234 --> 00:37:15,196
to separate them and get Kalina,
the baby, into the med pool.
666
00:37:15,363 --> 00:37:18,491
And Katina was generally a quiet whale.
667
00:37:18,658 --> 00:37:20,952
She was not an overly vocal whale.
668
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:24,247
After, Kalina was removed from the scene
669
00:37:24,414 --> 00:37:27,292
and put on the truck and taken to the airport,
670
00:37:27,459 --> 00:37:29,961
and Katina, her mom, was left in the pool.
671
00:37:30,128 --> 00:37:33,715
She stayed in the corner of the pool,
672
00:37:33,882 --> 00:37:37,719
like, literally just shaking and screaming,
673
00:37:37,886 --> 00:37:38,970
screeching, crying.
674
00:37:39,137 --> 00:37:41,264
Like, I had never seen her
675
00:37:41,431 --> 00:37:42,891
do anything like that.
676
00:37:43,058 --> 00:37:44,976
And the other females in the pool,
677
00:37:45,143 --> 00:37:46,519
maybe once or twice during the night
678
00:37:46,686 --> 00:37:48,355
they'd come out and check on her.
679
00:37:48,521 --> 00:37:51,983
And she'd screech and cry
and they would just run back.
680
00:37:54,152 --> 00:37:56,363
There was nothing that you could call that,
681
00:37:56,529 --> 00:37:59,532
watching it, besides grief.
682
00:38:01,117 --> 00:38:03,119
Those are not your whales.
683
00:38:03,286 --> 00:38:06,206
You know, you love them and you'll think,
684
00:38:06,373 --> 00:38:09,751
"I'm the one that touches them,
feeds them, keeps them alive,
685
00:38:09,918 --> 00:38:12,212
gives them the care
that they need."
686
00:38:12,379 --> 00:38:14,714
They're not your whales.
687
00:38:14,881 --> 00:38:16,007
They own them.
688
00:38:17,384 --> 00:38:19,761
Kasatka and Takara were very close.
689
00:38:19,928 --> 00:38:23,723
Kasatka was the mother, Takara's the calf.
690
00:38:23,890 --> 00:38:25,725
Takara was special to me.
691
00:38:26,851 --> 00:38:29,396
They were inseparable.
692
00:38:29,562 --> 00:38:32,148
When they separated Kasatka and Takara,
693
00:38:32,315 --> 00:38:34,192
it was to take Takara to Florida.
694
00:38:34,359 --> 00:38:38,738
Once Takara had already been
stretchered out of the pool,
695
00:38:38,905 --> 00:38:42,158
put on the truck, driven to the airport...
696
00:38:43,868 --> 00:38:47,330
Kasatka continued to make vocals
697
00:38:47,497 --> 00:38:49,457
that had never been heard before.
698
00:38:49,624 --> 00:38:51,292
They brought in
699
00:38:51,459 --> 00:38:54,671
the senior research scientists
to analyze the vocals.
700
00:38:54,838 --> 00:38:57,757
They were long-range vocals.
701
00:38:57,924 --> 00:39:00,385
She was trying something
702
00:39:00,552 --> 00:39:04,639
that no one had even heard before
looking for Takara.
703
00:39:04,806 --> 00:39:06,349
That's heartbreaking.
704
00:39:07,976 --> 00:39:10,270
How can anyone
705
00:39:10,437 --> 00:39:15,150
look at that and think
that that is morally acceptable?
706
00:39:15,316 --> 00:39:17,193
It's not.
707
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,362
It is not okay.
708
00:39:21,322 --> 00:39:22,866
Stand by, Dean.
709
00:39:23,033 --> 00:39:24,617
Let's go live to SeaWorld
710
00:39:24,784 --> 00:39:27,454
where Dean Gomersall
is joining us for a sneak peek.
711
00:39:27,620 --> 00:39:29,622
Hi, Dean.
Tell us about the new show.
712
00:39:29,789 --> 00:39:30,999
Good afternoon, Richard.
713
00:39:31,166 --> 00:39:32,876
The new show is the Whale and Dolphin Discovery.
714
00:39:33,043 --> 00:39:35,170
What it does is it shows
the relationship we have
715
00:39:35,336 --> 00:39:37,297
between all our animals here at the Whale...
716
00:39:37,464 --> 00:39:39,674
There's so many things that were told to us
717
00:39:39,841 --> 00:39:41,968
that they tell us-- they tell you
so many times
718
00:39:42,135 --> 00:39:43,553
that you just--
you start believing it.
719
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,430
So all the animals here get along very well.
720
00:39:45,597 --> 00:39:47,390
It's just like training your dog, really.
721
00:39:47,557 --> 00:39:49,976
I was blind, you know.
I was a kid.
722
00:39:50,143 --> 00:39:52,645
I didn't know what I was doing, really.
723
00:39:52,812 --> 00:39:54,105
- Nice.
- Good job.
724
00:39:54,272 --> 00:39:55,982
You did a real good job.
725
00:40:03,740 --> 00:40:05,867
Ladies and gentlemen,
this is David from Maryland.
726
00:40:06,034 --> 00:40:08,578
Go ahead and wave at everyone, David.
727
00:40:08,745 --> 00:40:11,581
I just really bought into what they told us.
728
00:40:11,748 --> 00:40:14,709
You know, I learned to say
what they told us to the audience.
729
00:40:14,876 --> 00:40:15,877
Hello out there.
730
00:40:16,044 --> 00:40:18,046
Children are some of Shamu's biggest fans.
731
00:40:18,213 --> 00:40:20,048
We can do just about anything we want.
732
00:40:20,215 --> 00:40:22,675
I thought I knew everything about
killer whales when I worked there,
733
00:40:22,842 --> 00:40:24,302
you know, and everything about these animals.
734
00:40:24,469 --> 00:40:26,096
I really know nothing about killer whales.
735
00:40:26,262 --> 00:40:28,389
I know a lot about being an animal trainer
736
00:40:28,556 --> 00:40:30,266
or a killer whale trainer,
but I don't know anything
737
00:40:30,433 --> 00:40:33,144
about these animals' natural history
or their behavior.
738
00:40:33,311 --> 00:40:36,272
I really in some ways believed a lot
of what I was learning from them,
739
00:40:36,439 --> 00:40:37,816
because why would they lie?
740
00:40:37,982 --> 00:40:43,613
Because the whales in their pools die young,
741
00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:48,660
they like to say that all orcas
die at 25 or 30 years.
742
00:40:48,827 --> 00:40:51,412
- 25 to 35 years.
- 25 to 35 years.
743
00:40:51,579 --> 00:40:54,958
They're documented in the wild
living to be about...
744
00:40:55,125 --> 00:40:56,876
35, mid-30s.
745
00:40:57,043 --> 00:40:59,003
They tend to live a lot longer
in this environment
746
00:40:59,170 --> 00:41:00,630
because they have all the veterinary care.
747
00:41:00,797 --> 00:41:02,423
And of course that's false.
748
00:41:02,590 --> 00:41:06,928
We knew by 1980, after half a dozen
years of the research,
749
00:41:07,095 --> 00:41:10,682
that they live equivalent to human life spans.
750
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:15,061
And every other potentially
embarrassing fact is twisted
751
00:41:15,228 --> 00:41:17,605
and turned and denied one way or another.
752
00:41:17,772 --> 00:41:19,107
So, in the wild, they live...
753
00:41:19,274 --> 00:41:20,441
- Less.
- Less.
754
00:41:20,608 --> 00:41:22,360
Like the floppy dorsal fins.
755
00:41:22,527 --> 00:41:26,322
25% of whales have a fin
that turns over like that
756
00:41:26,489 --> 00:41:27,657
as they get older.
757
00:41:27,824 --> 00:41:31,828
Dorsal collapse happens
in less than 1% of wild killer whales.
758
00:41:31,995 --> 00:41:32,996
We know this.
759
00:41:33,163 --> 00:41:38,126
All the captive males
100% have collapsed dorsal fins.
760
00:41:38,293 --> 00:41:41,754
And they say that they're a family,
that the whales are in their family.
761
00:41:41,921 --> 00:41:43,339
They have their pods.
762
00:41:43,506 --> 00:41:47,969
But that's just an artificial
assemblage of their collection,
763
00:41:48,136 --> 00:41:51,347
however management decides they should mix them
764
00:41:51,514 --> 00:41:53,683
and whichever ones happen to be born
765
00:41:53,850 --> 00:41:55,852
or bought and brought in.
766
00:41:56,019 --> 00:41:58,605
That's not a family, you know.
Come on.
767
00:41:59,939 --> 00:42:02,150
You've got animals
from different cultural subsets
768
00:42:02,317 --> 00:42:04,194
that have been brought in from various parks.
769
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,361
These are different nations.
770
00:42:05,528 --> 00:42:07,488
These aren't just two different killer whales.
771
00:42:07,655 --> 00:42:10,241
These animals, they've got different genes,
772
00:42:10,408 --> 00:42:13,494
they use different languages.
773
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,624
Well, what could happen
as a result of them being
774
00:42:17,790 --> 00:42:20,501
thrown in with other whales
that they haven't grown up with,
775
00:42:20,668 --> 00:42:22,962
that are not part of their culture
776
00:42:23,129 --> 00:42:25,131
is there's hyperaggression...
777
00:42:27,634 --> 00:42:30,762
...a lot of violence,
a lot of killing in captivity
778
00:42:30,929 --> 00:42:34,098
that you don't ever see in the wild.
779
00:42:34,265 --> 00:42:36,351
For the health and safety of the animals,
780
00:42:36,517 --> 00:42:38,728
please do not put your hands in the water.
781
00:42:38,895 --> 00:42:40,605
It was always sort of this backdrop,
782
00:42:40,772 --> 00:42:44,651
this underpinning of tension between animals.
783
00:42:44,817 --> 00:42:50,240
Whale-on-whale aggression was
just part of your-- the daily existence.
784
00:42:50,406 --> 00:42:54,285
We ask that you use
the stairs and aisleways as you exit.
785
00:42:54,452 --> 00:42:56,579
Please do not step on the seats.
786
00:42:56,746 --> 00:42:58,581
These areas may become wet
787
00:42:58,748 --> 00:43:01,042
and therefore slippery to some footwear.
788
00:43:01,209 --> 00:43:02,210
Thank you.
789
00:43:02,377 --> 00:43:04,837
♪ Blue wonder... ♪
790
00:43:05,004 --> 00:43:06,714
In the wild, when there's tension,
791
00:43:06,881 --> 00:43:08,716
they've got thousands of square miles
792
00:43:08,883 --> 00:43:12,595
to exit the scene and they can get away.
793
00:43:12,762 --> 00:43:15,265
You don't have that in captivity.
794
00:43:15,431 --> 00:43:18,851
Could you imagine being in a small
concrete enclosure for your life
795
00:43:19,018 --> 00:43:21,604
when you're used to swimming 100 miles a day?
796
00:43:21,771 --> 00:43:25,441
♪ Free-feeling... ♪
797
00:43:25,608 --> 00:43:28,319
Sometimes this aggression became very severe
798
00:43:28,486 --> 00:43:33,283
and, in fact, whales have died
in captivity because of this aggression.
799
00:43:33,449 --> 00:43:34,701
I think it was 1988.
800
00:43:34,867 --> 00:43:37,620
Kandu, trying to assert
her dominance over Corky,
801
00:43:37,787 --> 00:43:39,580
rammed Corky.
802
00:43:39,747 --> 00:43:44,294
It fractured her jaw,
which cut an artery in her head
803
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:46,421
and then she bled out.
804
00:43:48,089 --> 00:43:51,259
Now that's got to be a hard way to go down.
805
00:43:53,303 --> 00:43:56,639
I saw that there was just
a lot of things that weren't right.
806
00:43:56,806 --> 00:43:58,474
And there was a lot of it--
misinformation--
807
00:43:58,641 --> 00:44:00,977
and something was amiss.
808
00:44:01,144 --> 00:44:04,063
And, you know, I sort of
compartmentalized that part of it
809
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:06,941
and did the best that I could
with the knowledge that I had
810
00:44:07,108 --> 00:44:08,985
to take care of the animals that were there.
811
00:44:09,152 --> 00:44:11,779
You know, I think all the trainers there
have the same thing in their heart.
812
00:44:11,946 --> 00:44:14,824
They're trying to make a difference
in the lives of the animals.
813
00:44:15,867 --> 00:44:19,787
You think that, "if I leave,
who's going to take care of Tilikum?"
814
00:44:19,954 --> 00:44:23,082
That's why I stayed.
Because I felt sorry for Tilikum.
815
00:44:23,249 --> 00:44:25,084
I mean, if you want to get down
to the nuts and bolts of it,
816
00:44:25,251 --> 00:44:27,545
I stayed because I felt sorry for Tilikum.
817
00:44:27,712 --> 00:44:31,591
And I couldn't bring myself to stop coming
818
00:44:31,758 --> 00:44:33,551
and trying to take care of him.
819
00:44:46,147 --> 00:44:48,024
Gosh, do I love coming out here every day
820
00:44:48,191 --> 00:44:51,778
and having the audience just love
what we're doing with the animals.
821
00:44:51,944 --> 00:44:54,280
How do I make this animal
as beautiful as they are
822
00:44:54,447 --> 00:44:56,908
and have people walk away loving this animal?
823
00:44:57,075 --> 00:44:58,493
And they're touched and they're moved
824
00:44:58,659 --> 00:45:01,371
and I feel like I made a difference to them.
825
00:45:01,537 --> 00:45:03,998
I left in January of 2010,
826
00:45:04,165 --> 00:45:06,709
a month before Dawn passed away.
827
00:45:07,710 --> 00:45:10,296
She was like a safety guru.
828
00:45:10,463 --> 00:45:13,007
I mean, she was always
double-checking,
829
00:45:13,174 --> 00:45:14,842
making sure that everyone
was doing the right thing.
830
00:45:15,009 --> 00:45:17,512
So I remember she would record
every show that she did
831
00:45:17,678 --> 00:45:20,223
and she would watch it and critique herself.
832
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:23,643
She was constantly trying to be better.
833
00:45:23,810 --> 00:45:25,812
When I found out it was Dawn,
834
00:45:25,978 --> 00:45:28,231
I was shocked.
835
00:45:29,273 --> 00:45:31,692
That could have been me.
I could have been the spotter.
836
00:45:31,859 --> 00:45:33,986
What if I was there and I could have saved her?
837
00:45:34,153 --> 00:45:36,739
You know, all these things go through your mind.
838
00:45:48,751 --> 00:45:50,837
John Sillick is the guy who, in 1987,
839
00:45:51,003 --> 00:45:54,298
was crushed between two whales
at SeaWorld of San Diego.
840
00:45:54,465 --> 00:45:57,677
Now, even though I'd been working
at SeaWorld for six months,
841
00:45:57,844 --> 00:45:59,595
I had no idea that that had even happened.
842
00:45:59,762 --> 00:46:01,013
I never even heard that story.
843
00:46:01,180 --> 00:46:04,434
And the SeaWorld party line was that,
well, that was-- it was a trainer error.
844
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,477
It was John's fault.
You know, John's fault.
845
00:46:06,644 --> 00:46:08,187
He was supposed to get off that whale.
846
00:46:08,354 --> 00:46:11,107
And for years, I believed that
and I told people that.
847
00:46:19,157 --> 00:46:22,743
I actually started at SeaWorld, like,
five days after that event occurred
848
00:46:22,910 --> 00:46:25,788
and we didn't--
we weren't told much about it
849
00:46:25,955 --> 00:46:29,083
other than it was trainer error.
850
00:46:29,250 --> 00:46:32,336
And, you know, especially
when you're new into the program,
851
00:46:32,503 --> 00:46:33,754
you don't really question a whole lot.
852
00:46:33,921 --> 00:46:36,007
Well, you know, years later,
when you actually look at the footage,
853
00:46:36,174 --> 00:46:38,134
you go, "You know what?
He didn't do anything wrong."
854
00:46:38,301 --> 00:46:39,719
That whale just landed on him, you know.
855
00:46:39,886 --> 00:46:42,180
That whale just went to the wrong spot.
856
00:46:42,346 --> 00:46:43,890
It could have been aggression.
Who knows?
857
00:46:44,056 --> 00:46:47,059
But it was not the trainer's fault
at all, watching that video.
858
00:46:51,772 --> 00:46:55,151
When I saw the video
of the killer whale landing on John,
859
00:46:55,318 --> 00:46:56,861
I mean, it just absolutely took my breath away.
860
00:46:57,028 --> 00:46:58,029
L9aSped.
861
00:46:58,196 --> 00:46:59,238
I watched it two or three times,
862
00:46:59,405 --> 00:47:00,823
and every time I saw that, I just gasped.
863
00:47:00,990 --> 00:47:02,408
I could not believe what I was seeing.
864
00:47:02,575 --> 00:47:04,368
What kept his body together is--
865
00:47:04,535 --> 00:47:06,412
his wetsuit basically held him together.
866
00:47:06,579 --> 00:47:07,955
But I know he's had multiple surgeries
867
00:47:08,122 --> 00:47:10,249
and he's got tons of hardware in his body.
868
00:47:10,416 --> 00:47:13,419
And it's hard for me to believe
that I didn't actually see that video
869
00:47:13,586 --> 00:47:15,796
while I was actually an animal trainer
870
00:47:15,963 --> 00:47:18,007
because it seems to me that every person
871
00:47:18,174 --> 00:47:20,593
who works with killer whales
should have to watch that video.
872
00:47:25,431 --> 00:47:27,642
Tamarie--
873
00:47:27,808 --> 00:47:29,894
you know, Tamarie made mistakes.
874
00:47:30,061 --> 00:47:33,231
The most important one
was interacting with whales
875
00:47:33,397 --> 00:47:35,233
without a spotter.
876
00:47:36,651 --> 00:47:39,362
So she's putting her foot on Orkid,
877
00:47:39,529 --> 00:47:40,988
she's taking her foot off.
878
00:47:41,155 --> 00:47:44,659
She's putting her foot on Orkid,
her rostrum, she's taking it off.
879
00:47:44,825 --> 00:47:47,411
Watching the video, knowing Orkid,
880
00:47:47,578 --> 00:47:51,123
your stomach drops because you know
what's probably going to happen.
881
00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:53,668
She grabbed her foot.
882
00:47:53,834 --> 00:47:57,004
Tamarie whips around and she grabs the gate.
883
00:47:57,171 --> 00:47:59,840
You see herjust ripped from the gate.
884
00:48:01,968 --> 00:48:04,428
At this point, Tamarie knows
that she's in trouble.
885
00:48:04,595 --> 00:48:05,888
She's under the water.
886
00:48:06,055 --> 00:48:08,057
Splash and Orkid both have her.
887
00:48:08,224 --> 00:48:09,892
She's totally out of view.
888
00:48:10,059 --> 00:48:12,603
No other trainer knows that this is happening.
889
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:14,021
People start to scream.
890
00:48:14,188 --> 00:48:17,316
It was a park guest that was filming it.
891
00:48:17,483 --> 00:48:19,235
You hear-- you don't see her,
892
00:48:19,402 --> 00:48:22,905
but you hear Tamarie surface.
893
00:48:23,072 --> 00:48:26,576
You hear herjust scream out,
"Somebody help me."
894
00:48:26,742 --> 00:48:29,161
And the way she screamed it,
895
00:48:29,328 --> 00:48:30,830
it was just
such a bloodcurdling--
896
00:48:30,997 --> 00:48:34,083
like she knew she was going to die.
897
00:48:35,585 --> 00:48:38,838
Robin-- when he ran over,
he made a brilliant decision.
898
00:48:39,005 --> 00:48:42,383
He told a trainer to run and take
the chain off Kasatka's gate.
899
00:48:43,509 --> 00:48:46,178
By taking that chain off,
it would give the precursor to Orkid
900
00:48:46,345 --> 00:48:47,930
that Kasatka was coming in.
901
00:48:48,097 --> 00:48:51,017
Kasatka's more dominant than Orkid,
902
00:48:51,183 --> 00:48:54,061
so Orkid let her go.
903
00:48:54,228 --> 00:48:58,482
Her arm, it was U-shaped.
904
00:48:58,649 --> 00:49:00,860
It was compound fractured.
905
00:49:02,903 --> 00:49:06,115
She's very lucky to be alive, that's for sure.
906
00:49:19,503 --> 00:49:22,214
I believe it's 70 plus, maybe even more,
907
00:49:22,381 --> 00:49:24,884
just killer whale trainer accidents.
908
00:49:25,051 --> 00:49:29,388
Maybe 30 of them happened prior to me
being actually hired at SeaWorld.
909
00:49:29,555 --> 00:49:30,848
And I knew about none of them.
910
00:49:34,977 --> 00:49:37,772
I've seen animals come out at trainers.
911
00:49:42,693 --> 00:49:44,236
Something's wrong.
912
00:49:44,403 --> 00:49:45,905
I've seen people get slammed.
913
00:49:58,876 --> 00:50:02,797
The whales, they're just playing or--
or they're upset for a second.
914
00:50:11,722 --> 00:50:13,849
It was just something that happened, you know?
915
00:50:14,016 --> 00:50:16,519
This culture of "You get back on the horse
916
00:50:16,686 --> 00:50:18,396
and you dive back in the water.
917
00:50:18,562 --> 00:50:21,440
And if you're hurt, well, then we've got
other people that will replace you."
918
00:50:21,607 --> 00:50:24,026
And, "You came a long way.
Are you sure you want that?"
919
00:50:33,661 --> 00:50:35,788
A SeaWorld trainer is recovering today
920
00:50:35,955 --> 00:50:39,375
after a terrifying ordeal
in front of a horrified audience.
921
00:51:05,443 --> 00:51:08,988
For some reason,
the whale just took a different approach
922
00:51:09,155 --> 00:51:10,948
to what it was going to do
923
00:51:11,115 --> 00:51:14,410
with a very senior,
very experienced trainer, Ken Peters,
924
00:51:14,577 --> 00:51:16,287
and dragged him to the bottom of the pool
925
00:51:16,454 --> 00:51:18,080
and held him at the bottom.
926
00:51:19,915 --> 00:51:22,251
Let him go, picked him up,
927
00:51:22,418 --> 00:51:23,836
took him down again.
928
00:51:30,885 --> 00:51:35,556
And these periods he was taken down
were pretty close to the mark.
929
00:51:35,723 --> 00:51:39,518
You know, a minute, a minute 20.
930
00:51:44,064 --> 00:51:46,192
When he was at the surface, he didn't panic,
931
00:51:46,358 --> 00:51:48,027
he didn't thrash, he didn't scream.
932
00:51:48,194 --> 00:51:49,987
Maybe he's just built that way.
933
00:51:50,154 --> 00:51:52,865
But he stroked the whale.
934
00:51:56,994 --> 00:51:59,830
And the whale let go of one foot
and grabbed the other.
935
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:21,769
That's a pretty deep pool
and he took him right down.
936
00:52:21,936 --> 00:52:24,396
I think that's to two atmospheres of pressure.
937
00:52:24,563 --> 00:52:27,691
Apparently, Mr. Peters
is an experienced scuba diver
938
00:52:27,858 --> 00:52:29,443
and I think that knowledge probably contributed
939
00:52:29,610 --> 00:52:31,529
to how he was able to be hauled down there
940
00:52:31,695 --> 00:52:34,865
that quickly and stay calm and know what to do.
941
00:52:37,284 --> 00:52:40,287
He knew what he was doing because
you can see him actually in the film.
942
00:52:40,454 --> 00:52:42,122
It's-- the def is so good,
you can see him ventilating.
943
00:52:42,289 --> 00:52:43,958
You can see him ventilating really hard.
944
00:52:44,124 --> 00:52:47,211
So he knows about swimming
and diving and being underwater.
945
00:52:47,378 --> 00:52:50,673
He may have been assuming
he was going under again.
946
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,511
I did not walk away unimpressed
by his calm demeanor
947
00:52:55,678 --> 00:52:57,471
during that whole affair.
948
00:53:00,891 --> 00:53:02,852
I would be scared shitless.
949
00:53:21,287 --> 00:53:23,289
He was near to the end.
950
00:53:25,165 --> 00:53:29,712
Presumably, Ken Peters
had a relationship with this whale.
951
00:53:29,879 --> 00:53:32,381
Maybe he did.
Maybe that's what saved him.
952
00:53:32,548 --> 00:53:36,385
But Peters got the whale to let him go.
953
00:53:37,761 --> 00:53:39,305
And they strung a net across.
954
00:53:47,938 --> 00:53:52,484
And Ken Peters pulled himself
over the float line
955
00:53:52,651 --> 00:53:55,571
and swam like a demon
to a slide-out
956
00:53:55,738 --> 00:53:58,449
because the whale was coming right behind him.
957
00:53:58,616 --> 00:54:00,951
The whale jumped over and came right after him.
958
00:54:01,118 --> 00:54:02,328
He tried to stand up and run.
959
00:54:02,494 --> 00:54:03,579
Of course, his feet were damaged.
960
00:54:03,746 --> 00:54:06,749
I mean, he just fell and he scrambled.
961
00:54:09,043 --> 00:54:10,920
And they take this as a prime example
962
00:54:11,086 --> 00:54:12,671
of their training working.
963
00:54:12,838 --> 00:54:16,634
And they say, "Just stand back
and stay calm," and that did work.
964
00:54:17,676 --> 00:54:21,263
They claim this as a victory
965
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:23,390
of how they do business.
966
00:54:28,479 --> 00:54:31,774
And maybe so, but it can also be interpreted
967
00:54:31,941 --> 00:54:35,486
as a hair's breadth away from another fatality.
968
00:54:42,284 --> 00:54:44,078
Hi, Shamu.
Hi, everybody.
969
00:54:44,244 --> 00:54:46,622
We're the Johnsons from Detroit, Michigan.
970
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:48,666
We sure had a great time
when we visited SeaWorld.
971
00:54:48,832 --> 00:54:50,250
It's one of our favorite places.
972
00:54:50,417 --> 00:54:53,671
Yeah, I like the part when Shamu
gets everybody wet.
973
00:54:53,837 --> 00:54:55,965
When the whales get close to the glass
974
00:54:56,131 --> 00:54:57,591
and start kicking out the water?
975
00:54:57,758 --> 00:54:59,343
Whamo!
You're a goner.
976
00:55:09,228 --> 00:55:13,232
Orange County's sheriff's deputies
have identified the 27-year-old man
977
00:55:13,399 --> 00:55:16,235
found dead in a killer whale's tank at SeaWorld.
978
00:55:16,402 --> 00:55:20,155
The victim is Daniel P. Dukes
from South Carolina.
979
00:55:20,322 --> 00:55:23,158
Dukes was found yesterday
draped over the back of Tilikum,
980
00:55:23,325 --> 00:55:26,161
the largest orca held in captivity.
981
00:55:26,328 --> 00:55:29,456
Well, all I know is
the public relations version of it--
982
00:55:29,623 --> 00:55:32,501
he was a young man that had been arrested
983
00:55:32,668 --> 00:55:35,295
not long before he snuck into SeaWorld.
984
00:55:35,462 --> 00:55:37,131
Maybe he climbed the barbed wire fence
985
00:55:37,297 --> 00:55:40,509
around the perimeter and stayed after hours.
986
00:55:40,676 --> 00:55:44,138
Perfect story line--
a mentally disturbed guy
987
00:55:44,304 --> 00:55:47,141
hides in the park after hours
and strips his clothes off
988
00:55:47,307 --> 00:55:50,394
and decides he wants to have
a magical experience with an orca
989
00:55:50,561 --> 00:55:53,439
and drowns because he became hypothermic.
990
00:55:53,605 --> 00:55:55,482
Right.
So that's the story line
991
00:55:55,649 --> 00:55:57,443
and none of us were there
to know the difference.
992
00:55:57,609 --> 00:56:01,155
He was not detected by the night watch trainers
993
00:56:01,321 --> 00:56:03,365
who were presumably at that station.
994
00:56:03,532 --> 00:56:05,367
There are cameras all over SeaWorld.
995
00:56:05,534 --> 00:56:07,786
There are cameras all over
the back of Shamu Stadium
996
00:56:07,953 --> 00:56:08,954
pointing every which way.
997
00:56:09,121 --> 00:56:11,206
There are underwater cameras.
998
00:56:11,373 --> 00:56:15,252
I find it hard to believe
that nobody knew until the morning
999
00:56:15,419 --> 00:56:17,254
that there was a body in there.
1000
00:56:17,421 --> 00:56:20,049
They have a night watch trainer every night.
1001
00:56:20,215 --> 00:56:23,218
That person didn't hear
any splashing or screaming?
1002
00:56:23,385 --> 00:56:26,722
I mean, I just find that really suspicious.
1003
00:56:26,889 --> 00:56:28,182
One of the employees--
1004
00:56:28,348 --> 00:56:30,267
I don't know if it was
a physical therapist or somebody--
1005
00:56:30,434 --> 00:56:34,688
was coming in in the morning
and there was Tilikum,
1006
00:56:34,855 --> 00:56:37,608
you know, with a dead guy,
a dead, naked guy on his back,
1007
00:56:37,775 --> 00:56:41,820
kind of parading him around the back pool.
1008
00:56:41,987 --> 00:56:44,615
The public relations spin on this was that
1009
00:56:44,782 --> 00:56:48,327
he was kind of a drifter
and died of hypothermia.
1010
00:56:48,494 --> 00:56:52,164
But the medical examiner reports
1011
00:56:52,331 --> 00:56:54,333
were more graphic than that.
1012
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:57,127
For example, Tilikum stripped him,
1013
00:56:57,294 --> 00:56:58,796
bit off his genitals.
1014
00:56:58,962 --> 00:57:01,381
There was bite marks all over his body.
1015
00:57:01,548 --> 00:57:05,469
Now, whether that was post-death
or pre-death, I don't know.
1016
00:57:05,636 --> 00:57:08,263
But, yeah, all I can comment on
1017
00:57:08,430 --> 00:57:11,391
is that the guy definitely
jumped in the wrong pool.
1018
00:57:18,649 --> 00:57:21,276
So why keep Tilikum there?
1019
00:57:21,443 --> 00:57:24,154
This guy, he has a proven
track record of killing people.
1020
00:57:24,321 --> 00:57:27,074
He's clearly a liability to the institution.
1021
00:57:27,241 --> 00:57:30,160
Why keep him around?
Well, it's quite simple to answer.
1022
00:57:30,327 --> 00:57:32,663
And that is that his semen
is worth a lot of money.
1023
00:57:42,422 --> 00:57:44,299
Over the years, Tilikum has been
1024
00:57:44,466 --> 00:57:47,177
one of the main breeding whales at SeaWorld.
1025
00:57:50,931 --> 00:57:53,934
It's brilliant because they can
inseminate way more female whales,
1026
00:57:54,101 --> 00:57:56,103
because they can just
get his sperm and freeze it.
1027
00:57:56,270 --> 00:57:58,313
And then he's basically
operating as a sperm bank.
1028
00:58:00,107 --> 00:58:02,401
In a reputable breeding program, rule number one
1029
00:58:02,568 --> 00:58:05,362
is you certainly would not breed
an animal that has shown
1030
00:58:05,529 --> 00:58:08,198
a history of aggression towards humans.
1031
00:58:08,365 --> 00:58:11,368
Imagine if you had a pit bull who had killed.
1032
00:58:11,535 --> 00:58:13,537
That animal would have likely been put down.
1033
00:58:13,704 --> 00:58:15,581
But in the entire
SeaWorld collection--
1034
00:58:15,747 --> 00:58:19,126
it's like 54% of the whales
in SeaWorld's collection
1035
00:58:19,293 --> 00:58:22,004
now have Tilikum's genes.
1036
00:58:35,225 --> 00:58:38,061
The fall is to assume that
all killer whales are like Tilikum.
1037
00:58:38,228 --> 00:58:40,189
You have to look at their
learning history from birth.
1038
00:58:40,355 --> 00:58:43,817
You have to understand why Tilikum was a hazard
1039
00:58:43,984 --> 00:58:45,569
to anybody in the water.
1040
00:58:45,736 --> 00:58:48,947
And you have to understand that none
of the other killer whales at SeaWorld
1041
00:58:49,114 --> 00:58:50,365
that are in that system are that way.
1042
00:58:50,532 --> 00:58:52,993
What about the incident at Loro Parque?
1043
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:54,620
First of all, I-- I can't--
1044
00:58:54,786 --> 00:58:58,832
I can't speak with specificity
about Loro Parque.
1045
00:58:58,999 --> 00:59:00,918
I wasn't there.
1046
00:59:01,084 --> 00:59:03,295
In fact, I know very little about it.
1047
00:59:03,462 --> 00:59:05,923
Probably about as much
as the general public knows.
1048
01:00:09,152 --> 01:00:11,613
Loro Parque, it's in the Canary Islands,
1049
01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:13,907
which is an autonomous region of Spain.
1050
01:00:14,074 --> 01:00:17,119
It's the largest tourist attraction
in all of Spain.
1051
01:00:22,666 --> 01:00:25,669
And when SeaWorld sent the orcas to Loro Parque,
1052
01:00:25,836 --> 01:00:28,255
everybody was always questioning,
1053
01:00:28,422 --> 01:00:33,427
like, how did they make
that leap to send four young orcas
1054
01:00:33,593 --> 01:00:36,555
to a park off the west coast of Africa
1055
01:00:36,722 --> 01:00:41,435
with trainers who-- a lot of them
had never been around orcas before?
1056
01:00:43,562 --> 01:00:45,314
Nothing was ready.
1057
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:46,857
The venue wasn't ready.
1058
01:00:47,024 --> 01:00:50,485
It wasn't ready for the orcas,
it wasn't ready for a show.
1059
01:00:50,652 --> 01:00:53,155
The owner of the park
didn't want to lose revenue
1060
01:00:53,322 --> 01:00:55,782
by shutting down the pools and repairing them.
1061
01:00:55,949 --> 01:00:57,951
So for three years, the animals ate the pools
1062
01:00:58,118 --> 01:01:00,120
and for three years
the animals had problems--
1063
01:01:00,287 --> 01:01:02,956
with their teeth, with their stomachs.
1064
01:01:03,123 --> 01:01:04,583
So that's the reason why these animals
1065
01:01:04,750 --> 01:01:06,793
are enduring the endoscope procedures.
1066
01:01:08,378 --> 01:01:10,213
Back up.
Now back up, back up.
1067
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:12,257
Those are still SeaWorld's animals
1068
01:01:12,424 --> 01:01:14,718
and they are responsible for those animals.
1069
01:01:24,644 --> 01:01:27,439
Loro Parque doesn't have a good reputation.
1070
01:01:27,606 --> 01:01:31,318
People that work in the business
know the reputation of places
1071
01:01:31,485 --> 01:01:34,571
and Loro Parque does not have a good reputation.
1072
01:01:34,738 --> 01:01:37,866
They didn't spend the same amount
of time as the SeaWorld trainers,
1073
01:01:38,033 --> 01:01:39,951
did not go through the same regimen
1074
01:01:40,118 --> 01:01:42,913
that the SeaWorld trainers went through.
1075
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,707
You know, and Alexis really was
the best trainer.
1076
01:01:45,874 --> 01:01:48,877
And I did say-- I said,
"You're the only trainer there
1077
01:01:49,044 --> 01:01:52,422
that can hold his own
with a SeaWorld trainer."
1078
01:01:52,589 --> 01:01:54,925
And I said, "But you need
to be careful."
1079
01:02:28,708 --> 01:02:30,544
Anywhere along the line
it could have been stopped
1080
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:33,296
because everyone knew
it was a tragedy waiting to happen.
1081
01:02:33,463 --> 01:02:36,007
But no one ever did anything about it.
1082
01:02:36,174 --> 01:02:37,509
And in the end,
1083
01:02:37,676 --> 01:02:40,595
it was the best trainer who lost his life.
1084
01:04:59,109 --> 01:05:00,944
Those were SeaWorld's whales.
1085
01:05:01,111 --> 01:05:03,488
They were trained using SeaWorld's techniques.
1086
01:05:04,573 --> 01:05:08,868
And their training was being supervised
at the time of the fatal accident
1087
01:05:09,035 --> 01:05:13,123
by one of their senior trainers from San Diego.
1088
01:05:35,103 --> 01:05:38,398
For somebody to get up and say in a court of law
1089
01:05:38,565 --> 01:05:41,985
they have no knowledge of the linkages
1090
01:05:42,152 --> 01:05:46,197
between SeaWorld
and this park in Tenerife is well--
1091
01:05:46,364 --> 01:05:49,576
either she doesn't know and is telling the truth
1092
01:05:49,743 --> 01:05:51,995
or it's just a bold-faced lie.
1093
01:05:56,333 --> 01:05:59,336
As trainers, we never forget
Shamu's true potential.
1094
01:05:59,502 --> 01:06:01,296
We see it each and every day.
1095
01:06:01,463 --> 01:06:05,175
That's why all of our interactions
are very carefully thought out,
1096
01:06:05,342 --> 01:06:07,427
especially our water work interaction.
1097
01:06:07,594 --> 01:06:09,095
Whoa!
1098
01:06:16,728 --> 01:06:18,938
You big dork.
1099
01:06:19,105 --> 01:06:21,066
Especially our water work interactions
1100
01:06:21,232 --> 01:06:23,943
because they're potentially the most dangerous.
1101
01:06:24,110 --> 01:06:27,739
I'd been expecting it
since the second person was killed.
1102
01:06:27,906 --> 01:06:31,117
I'd been expecting somebody
to be killed by Tilikum.
1103
01:06:31,284 --> 01:06:32,911
I'm surprised it took as long as it did.
1104
01:06:33,078 --> 01:06:35,121
First tonight,
a six-ton killer whale
1105
01:06:35,288 --> 01:06:37,957
has lived up to its name,
killing an experienced trainer
1106
01:06:38,124 --> 01:06:40,251
at SeaWorld, Orlando, today.
1107
01:06:40,418 --> 01:06:41,878
A tourist at an earlier show
1108
01:06:42,045 --> 01:06:43,880
said the animal seemed agitated.
1109
01:06:44,047 --> 01:06:47,175
Trainers complained
the whales weren't cooperating.
1110
01:06:47,342 --> 01:06:49,469
The whole show, the main show,
1111
01:06:49,636 --> 01:06:51,513
was a disaster that day.
1112
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,848
There was, you know, whales chasing each other
1113
01:06:54,015 --> 01:06:56,351
and eventually the trainers decided
that they had to stop the show
1114
01:06:56,518 --> 01:06:58,353
because they couldn't
get the whales under control.
1115
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,730
Tilikum was in the back pool
1116
01:07:00,897 --> 01:07:05,735
set up to do a Dine with Shamu
performance with Dawn.
1117
01:07:05,902 --> 01:07:09,322
Likely she saw what had gone on
during the main show
1118
01:07:09,489 --> 01:07:13,034
and so she had probably felt
more pressure to do a good show.
1119
01:07:14,828 --> 01:07:16,663
Yay!
1120
01:07:16,830 --> 01:07:18,790
When you watch the whole video, you can see
1121
01:07:18,957 --> 01:07:21,626
that Tilikum is actually really with Dawn
1122
01:07:21,793 --> 01:07:23,545
in the beginning of the video.
1123
01:07:26,089 --> 01:07:28,717
There's a couple of behaviors
that she asks him to do
1124
01:07:28,883 --> 01:07:30,844
where Tilikum justjumps right in
1125
01:07:31,010 --> 01:07:33,388
and he does exactly what she asks him to do.
1126
01:07:39,644 --> 01:07:41,521
There seemed to be a point in the session
1127
01:07:41,688 --> 01:07:43,982
where things went south, so to speak.
1128
01:07:44,149 --> 01:07:45,692
And in my humble opinion,
1129
01:07:45,859 --> 01:07:49,320
it was at that missed bridge--
whistle bridge,
1130
01:07:49,487 --> 01:07:51,364
on the perimeter pec wave.
1131
01:07:51,531 --> 01:07:54,075
She asked him to do a perimeter pec wave
1132
01:07:54,242 --> 01:07:57,954
where she asked him to basically
go all the way around the pool
1133
01:07:58,121 --> 01:07:59,706
and wave his pectoral flipper.
1134
01:08:02,083 --> 01:08:04,961
And she blows her whistle...
1135
01:08:05,128 --> 01:08:06,629
- There we go.
- ...which is a bridge,
1136
01:08:06,796 --> 01:08:08,840
which tells the animal that, okay,
you've done a good job.
1137
01:08:09,007 --> 01:08:10,133
Come back and get food.
1138
01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:12,010
But he missed that cue.
1139
01:08:13,219 --> 01:08:15,555
He likes waving so much.
That's beyond waving.
1140
01:08:15,722 --> 01:08:17,891
And he went all the way around the pool
1141
01:08:18,057 --> 01:08:19,851
on this perimeter pec wave.
1142
01:08:20,018 --> 01:08:21,936
That's all right.
We're going to let him keep on waving.
1143
01:08:23,354 --> 01:08:25,690
My interpretation is that
he didn't hear the whistle.
1144
01:08:25,857 --> 01:08:28,318
So not only did he not hear the bridge,
1145
01:08:28,485 --> 01:08:30,987
then he went and did
a perfect behavior and came back,
1146
01:08:31,154 --> 01:08:34,699
and what he got was what we call
a three-second neutral response,
1147
01:08:34,866 --> 01:08:36,242
which is just a way to let the animal know,
1148
01:08:36,409 --> 01:08:37,827
"No, you didn't do the correct thing.
1149
01:08:37,994 --> 01:08:40,288
You're not going to get rewarded.
And then we're going to move on."
1150
01:08:40,455 --> 01:08:41,831
And then you can also see through the video
1151
01:08:41,998 --> 01:08:44,000
that Dawn is running out of food.
1152
01:08:45,126 --> 01:08:46,669
The animals can sense
1153
01:08:46,836 --> 01:08:48,963
when you're getting to the bottom
of your bucket of fish,
1154
01:08:49,130 --> 01:08:51,341
because they can hear the ice clanging around
1155
01:08:51,508 --> 01:08:53,968
and the kind of fishy, soupy water
at the bottom.
1156
01:08:54,135 --> 01:08:57,722
And the handfuls of fish that
they're getting delivered by the trainer
1157
01:08:57,889 --> 01:08:59,182
are all getting smaller.
1158
01:08:59,349 --> 01:09:02,352
So they know that they're coming down
to the end of session.
1159
01:09:02,519 --> 01:09:04,813
When you see the difference
between the beginning of the video
1160
01:09:04,979 --> 01:09:06,606
and the end of the video, you can see
1161
01:09:06,773 --> 01:09:10,193
that he's just not quite on his game anymore.
1162
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:11,486
There was no food left.
1163
01:09:11,653 --> 01:09:14,447
She kept asking him for more and more behaviors.
1164
01:09:14,614 --> 01:09:16,324
He wasn't getting reinforced for the behaviors
1165
01:09:16,491 --> 01:09:17,617
that he was doing correctly.
1166
01:09:17,784 --> 01:09:20,829
He probably was frustrated towards the end.
1167
01:09:22,622 --> 01:09:25,959
Then she walked around the perimeter of G pool.
1168
01:09:26,125 --> 01:09:27,836
He followed her.
1169
01:09:32,340 --> 01:09:35,969
And then continued over
into the rocky ledge area
1170
01:09:36,135 --> 01:09:40,431
where she laid down with him
to do a relationship session,
1171
01:09:40,598 --> 01:09:43,518
which is--
it's quiet time, basically.
1172
01:09:43,685 --> 01:09:46,396
Tilikum at some point
grabbed ahold of her left forearm
1173
01:09:46,563 --> 01:09:49,315
and started to drag her
and eventually did a barrel roll
1174
01:09:49,482 --> 01:09:51,109
and pulled her in.
1175
01:09:51,276 --> 01:09:54,070
It may have started as play or frustration
1176
01:09:54,237 --> 01:09:58,783
and clearly escalated to be
very violent behavior
1177
01:09:58,950 --> 01:10:01,494
that I think was anything but play.
1178
01:10:01,661 --> 01:10:03,997
In the end, he basically
1179
01:10:04,163 --> 01:10:06,374
just completely mutilated that poor girl.
1180
01:10:09,586 --> 01:10:13,756
They were gathering
all of the trainers at the Texas park.
1181
01:10:13,923 --> 01:10:18,052
He said, "There's been an accident
1182
01:10:18,219 --> 01:10:21,180
at the Florida park
and a trainer was killed."
1183
01:10:22,181 --> 01:10:25,435
Hearing that it was Dawn,
I was-- I couldn't believe it.
1184
01:10:25,602 --> 01:10:27,604
I just remember saying to myself, "Not Dawn.
1185
01:10:27,770 --> 01:10:29,397
It can't be Dawn."
1186
01:10:29,564 --> 01:10:33,943
He said that--
"And he still has her."
1187
01:10:34,110 --> 01:10:36,863
And I just...
1188
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:39,157
was so disturbed by that
1189
01:10:39,324 --> 01:10:43,620
and the reality of how powerless we are.
1190
01:10:43,786 --> 01:10:47,123
Avulsion, laceration, abrasion, fractures.
1191
01:10:47,290 --> 01:10:49,792
Fractures and associated hemorrhages.
1192
01:10:49,959 --> 01:10:52,545
Blunt force traumas
1193
01:10:52,712 --> 01:10:55,048
to the main body, to the extremities.
1194
01:10:56,257 --> 01:10:59,761
To see this meted out against a trainer...
1195
01:10:59,928 --> 01:11:02,722
and I cannot fathom the reason.
1196
01:11:02,889 --> 01:11:05,141
It's shocking.
1197
01:11:05,308 --> 01:11:09,145
The lawyer for OSHA asked me
what I thought we'd learned,
1198
01:11:09,312 --> 01:11:10,980
and I'm sitting in the courtroom
1199
01:11:11,147 --> 01:11:15,109
and I've got the Keltie Byrne
case file in one hand
1200
01:11:15,276 --> 01:11:17,028
and I've got Dawn Brancheau in the other.
1201
01:11:17,195 --> 01:11:19,155
And they're almost, to the day, 20 years apart.
1202
01:11:19,322 --> 01:11:21,199
And I'm looking at these two things.
1203
01:11:21,366 --> 01:11:23,868
My only answer is, "Nothing."
1204
01:11:24,035 --> 01:11:26,079
In fact, it's not a damn thing.
1205
01:11:26,245 --> 01:11:27,497
We have not learned a damn thing
1206
01:11:27,664 --> 01:11:30,583
for something like that
to happen 20 years apart.
1207
01:11:31,709 --> 01:11:33,544
Could you tell
if it was an accident or if this--
1208
01:11:33,711 --> 01:11:35,838
Did this female trainer
work with this whale on a regular basis?
1209
01:11:36,005 --> 01:11:39,384
I don't know. What apparently happened
is we had a female trainer
1210
01:11:39,550 --> 01:11:41,135
back in the whale holding area.
1211
01:11:41,302 --> 01:11:43,596
She apparently slipped or fell into the tank
1212
01:11:43,763 --> 01:11:46,140
and was fatally injured by one of the whales.
1213
01:11:46,307 --> 01:11:48,601
At first, SeaWorld reported
that a trainer slipped
1214
01:11:48,768 --> 01:11:51,145
and fell in the water and was drowned.
1215
01:11:51,312 --> 01:11:52,814
So that was the first report.
1216
01:11:52,981 --> 01:11:55,441
It wasn't until eyewitness
accounts disputed that
1217
01:11:55,608 --> 01:11:56,859
that they had to go back in their huddle
1218
01:11:57,026 --> 01:11:58,778
and say, "Wait a minute.
We gotta come up with a new plan."
1219
01:11:58,945 --> 01:12:00,488
New tonight--
SeaWorld has confirmed
1220
01:12:00,655 --> 01:12:03,241
the killer whale pulled
the woman into the water.
1221
01:12:03,408 --> 01:12:04,951
She didn't fall into the tank
1222
01:12:05,118 --> 01:12:07,578
as the sheriff's department initially reported.
1223
01:12:07,745 --> 01:12:10,873
The new plan is that he grabbed her ponytail.
1224
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,794
This is a subtle way of placing
the blame on Dawn's shoulders.
1225
01:12:14,961 --> 01:12:16,754
She shouldn't have had a long ponytail,
1226
01:12:16,921 --> 01:12:19,507
or if she did have that ponytail,
it should have been up in a bun.
1227
01:12:19,674 --> 01:12:21,926
Dawn, if she was standing here
with me right now,
1228
01:12:22,093 --> 01:12:25,430
would tell you that it was her mistake
1229
01:12:25,596 --> 01:12:27,348
in allowing that to happen.
1230
01:12:27,515 --> 01:12:29,517
They blamed her.
1231
01:12:29,684 --> 01:12:31,686
How dare you?
1232
01:12:31,853 --> 01:12:35,606
How disrespectful for you to blame her
1233
01:12:35,773 --> 01:12:39,110
when she's not even alive to defend herself.
1234
01:12:39,277 --> 01:12:41,487
He grabbed her ponytail
and pulled her into the water.
1235
01:12:41,654 --> 01:12:43,114
That's as simple as it gets.
1236
01:12:43,281 --> 01:12:45,366
There are photographs
of plenty of other trainers
1237
01:12:45,533 --> 01:12:47,326
doing exactly the same thing that she was doing,
1238
01:12:47,493 --> 01:12:51,873
so I knew that SeaWorld was lying
about the fact that this was her fault.
1239
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,752
The ponytail, in all likelihood, is just a tale.
1240
01:12:57,211 --> 01:13:00,965
The safety spotter, who apparently
didn't actually see the takedown,
1241
01:13:01,132 --> 01:13:02,133
came up with that.
1242
01:13:02,300 --> 01:13:04,927
- Are you excited?
- Yeah!
1243
01:13:05,094 --> 01:13:06,763
During the spotter's testimony,
1244
01:13:06,929 --> 01:13:09,807
OSHA pushed him to say
that he wasn't really sure
1245
01:13:09,974 --> 01:13:12,268
that it was her ponytail
that was in the whale's mouth,
1246
01:13:12,435 --> 01:13:16,189
that he just saw her underwater
and he assumed it was the ponytail.
1247
01:13:16,355 --> 01:13:18,316
OSHA contends that the whale came up
1248
01:13:18,483 --> 01:13:20,193
and grabbed Dawn Brancheau's arm,
1249
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:22,320
saying that that was another level
of aggressiveness.
1250
01:13:22,487 --> 01:13:25,490
And again, SeaWorld is saying
it was not an aggressive move.
1251
01:13:25,656 --> 01:13:27,784
One of SeaWorld's top curators, Chuck Tompkins,
1252
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:30,078
said when Dawn Brancheau
was pulled off that ledge,
1253
01:13:30,244 --> 01:13:33,289
it wasn't necessarily
aggressive behavior by the whale.
1254
01:13:33,456 --> 01:13:37,043
The initial grab was not an act of aggression.
1255
01:13:37,210 --> 01:13:39,420
This is not a crazed animal.
1256
01:13:39,587 --> 01:13:41,798
The industry has a vested interest
in spinning these
1257
01:13:41,964 --> 01:13:44,425
so that the animals continue to appear
1258
01:13:44,592 --> 01:13:47,970
like cuddly teddy bears
that are completely safe.
1259
01:13:48,137 --> 01:13:49,972
You know, that sells a lot of Shamu dolls,
1260
01:13:50,139 --> 01:13:54,143
it sells a lot of tickets at the gate,
and that's the story line
1261
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:57,355
that they're going to continue
to stick with for as long as they can.
1262
01:14:15,206 --> 01:14:19,836
Recognize that those that say
this is a crazed animal
1263
01:14:20,002 --> 01:14:23,005
that acted out and grabbed Dawn maliciously,
1264
01:14:23,172 --> 01:14:28,553
they want to prove the theorem
that captivity makes animals crazy.
1265
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:30,346
And that is just false.
1266
01:14:30,513 --> 01:14:32,932
All whales in captivity have a bad life.
1267
01:14:33,099 --> 01:14:34,767
They're all emotionally destroyed.
1268
01:14:34,934 --> 01:14:37,854
They're all psychologically traumatized,
1269
01:14:38,020 --> 01:14:40,690
so they are ticking time bombs.
1270
01:14:40,857 --> 01:14:42,233
It's not just Tilikum.
1271
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,819
We have to separate
what happened to Dawn--
1272
01:14:44,986 --> 01:14:48,114
and, as tragic as it is, no one wants
to ever see it happen again.
1273
01:14:48,281 --> 01:14:50,491
Can SeaWorld create an environment
1274
01:14:50,658 --> 01:14:51,951
where it never happens again?
1275
01:14:52,118 --> 01:14:54,162
Yes, I absolutely believe they can.
1276
01:14:57,540 --> 01:14:59,709
What if there were no SeaWorlds?
1277
01:14:59,876 --> 01:15:03,087
I can't imagine a society, with the value we put
1278
01:15:03,254 --> 01:15:05,798
on marine mammals, if those parks didn't exist.
1279
01:15:05,965 --> 01:15:09,635
I'm not at all interested in having my daughter,
1280
01:15:09,802 --> 01:15:11,387
who is three and a half,
1281
01:15:11,554 --> 01:15:14,348
grow up thinking that it's normalized
1282
01:15:14,515 --> 01:15:17,393
to have these intelligent,
highly evolved animals
1283
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:18,728
in concrete pools.
1284
01:15:18,895 --> 01:15:21,439
I don't want her to think
that's how we treat the kin
1285
01:15:21,606 --> 01:15:24,525
that we find ourselves around on this planet.
1286
01:15:24,692 --> 01:15:26,194
I think it's atrocious.
1287
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:27,945
This hearing is expected to last all week
1288
01:15:28,112 --> 01:15:30,990
with OSHA continuing to work
toward this theory--
1289
01:15:31,157 --> 01:15:34,660
that SeaWorld knew there was
a calculated risk of injury or death,
1290
01:15:34,827 --> 01:15:37,788
but put trainers in the water
with the whales anyway,
1291
01:15:37,955 --> 01:15:40,082
while SeaWorld will say
that Dawn Brancheau's death
1292
01:15:40,249 --> 01:15:42,001
was an isolated incident.
1293
01:15:42,168 --> 01:15:45,129
Reporting live in Seminole County,
Dave McDaniel, WESH 2 News.
1294
01:15:55,223 --> 01:15:56,224
There's something wrong.
1295
01:15:56,390 --> 01:16:01,395
You know with Tilikum that
there's something wrong and that's--
1296
01:16:01,562 --> 01:16:04,732
when you have a relationship
with that animal and you--
1297
01:16:06,192 --> 01:16:10,571
you understand that he's killing
not to be a savage.
1298
01:16:10,738 --> 01:16:13,407
He's not killing because he's just crazy.
1299
01:16:13,574 --> 01:16:16,410
He's not killing because
he doesn't know what he's doing.
1300
01:16:16,577 --> 01:16:18,246
He's killing because he's frustrated
1301
01:16:18,412 --> 01:16:24,001
and he's got aggravations
and he doesn't know how to--
1302
01:16:24,168 --> 01:16:26,295
he has no outlet for it.
1303
01:16:27,380 --> 01:16:30,091
Now Tilikum is spending
a great deal of time by himself
1304
01:16:30,258 --> 01:16:34,095
and basically floating lifeless in a pool.
1305
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,057
Three hours now...
1306
01:16:38,224 --> 01:16:40,184
and he hasn't moved.
1307
01:16:41,394 --> 01:16:43,104
They try to sugarcoat it by saying,
1308
01:16:43,271 --> 01:16:44,855
"He comes out in the front pool
every once in a while.
1309
01:16:45,022 --> 01:16:46,315
Now he's doing shows."
1310
01:16:46,482 --> 01:16:47,483
Really? You know
what he does in a show?
1311
01:16:49,068 --> 01:16:50,778
He does a few bows
1312
01:16:50,945 --> 01:16:54,490
and then he goes back in his little jail cell.
1313
01:16:54,657 --> 01:16:55,950
That's his life.
1314
01:16:58,035 --> 01:17:00,204
I feel sad for Tilikum.
1315
01:17:00,371 --> 01:17:03,416
A regal thing like him swimming around the tank
1316
01:17:03,582 --> 01:17:05,376
with his fin flopped over like that
1317
01:17:05,543 --> 01:17:08,587
compared to a wild bull killer whale that size,
1318
01:17:08,754 --> 01:17:11,257
which is one of the most kinetic
and dynamic things
1319
01:17:11,424 --> 01:17:12,967
you can imagine...
1320
01:17:15,428 --> 01:17:17,763
I feel sad when I see him.
1321
01:17:24,312 --> 01:17:26,063
It's time to stop the shows.
1322
01:17:26,230 --> 01:17:28,566
It's time to stop forcing animals to perform
1323
01:17:28,733 --> 01:17:30,484
in basically a circus environment.
1324
01:17:30,651 --> 01:17:32,570
And they should release the animals
that are young enough
1325
01:17:32,737 --> 01:17:35,656
and healthy enough to be released,
and the animals like Tilikum
1326
01:17:35,823 --> 01:17:38,617
who are old and sick and have put in
25 years in the industry
1327
01:17:38,784 --> 01:17:40,202
should be released to an open ocean pen
1328
01:17:40,369 --> 01:17:41,579
so they can live out their lives
1329
01:17:41,746 --> 01:17:43,748
and just experience
the natural rhythms of the ocean.
1330
01:17:43,914 --> 01:17:45,708
This is a multibillion-dollar
corporation
1331
01:17:45,875 --> 01:17:49,712
that makes its money
through the exploitation of orcas.
1332
01:17:49,879 --> 01:17:52,214
They're not suitable to have in captivity.
1333
01:17:52,381 --> 01:17:54,592
The whales are really bored.
1334
01:17:54,759 --> 01:17:59,013
You deprive them of all
this environmental stimulation.
1335
01:17:59,180 --> 01:18:01,140
I think that in 50 years,
1336
01:18:01,307 --> 01:18:04,101
we'll look back and go,
"My God, what a barbaric time."
1337
01:18:44,892 --> 01:18:47,520
Dawn Brancheau--
DB, dream big.
1338
01:18:48,521 --> 01:18:52,066
Dawn was the most loving,
giving person you ever met.
1339
01:18:52,233 --> 01:18:55,486
Her smile just radiated.
1340
01:19:04,203 --> 01:19:06,831
She's comp-- she fulfilled her life.
1341
01:19:55,254 --> 01:19:56,922
We saw whales
1342
01:19:57,089 --> 01:20:00,843
swimming in straight lines
with straight dorsal fins.
1343
01:20:02,219 --> 01:20:04,680
I was so honored to be there.
1344
01:20:10,144 --> 01:20:12,563
And I was so thankful that I had sunglasses on
1345
01:20:12,730 --> 01:20:15,983
because the tears were kind of coming out.
1346
01:20:16,150 --> 01:20:18,819
And it was moving.
1347
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,140
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