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And I did what I was told to do.

I walked into Dr. Allred's office...

And I emptied the gun.

- She just shot him.

Shot him, I think, four times.

- Rena was the only shooter.

It seems Ramona froze up.

The office breaks out in chaos.

Rena just is walking casually back out.

The man in the waiting room tries to stop Ramona.

- He was still alive at that point.

I mean, still gasping for-- for breath.

Then the women came back in.

Absolutely, positively sure that he was dead.

- She ran back into the office, and shot him in the face.

- It's a really cold-blooded murder.

- They were said to be very cool, calm, and collected,

almost second nature,

almost like it was normal to them.

- God wanted me specifically,

me, to do a certain act.

As far as I'm concerned,

the mental aspect to murder people

and make sure they're dead by putting a bullet in their head,

it makes you, yeah, stone cold.

- The leader of a group of thousands of polygamists

in Utah and surrounding states

was killed in a hail of gunfire.

Some called 71-year-old

Rulon Allred a prophet.

He was a naturopathic doctor, a healer,

and the leader of about 12,000 fundamentalist Mormon.

- Allred died of multiple gunshot wounds

in front of horrified patients in the waiting room.

- We got the news that Daddy's been shot.

- I immediately jumped into my truck.

I noticed my family, extended family.

Most of them were in tears.

Yeah.

It was devastating.

With the murder of Rulon Allred,

I was called to the scene.

At that time, they were just taking Rulon's body

out of his office.

- The police and others were investigating it.

They did find expended casings,

as well as expended bullets that were in the wall.

There didn't seem to be much to go on.

There was no fingerprints on the shells.

No way to identify any possible shooter.

- The women who shot Daddy

were not immediately recognized by anybody there.

They had wigs on,

and they were dressed in rather bulky clothes.

- Ervil was good at using all his resources.

And using women was--

I mean, you don't suspect a woman is going to be a hitman.

- There was nothing stolen.

There didn't seem to be anything involving drugs.

No reason to--

to be there other than to execute Rulon Allred.

This is an unbelievable case.

- I was 11 years old

when our father ordered the hit on Rulon Allred.

I was nine years old.

I did not have any idea who Rulon Allred was growing up.

I had no idea that he had been shot and killed.

Rena married Ervil against her will.

Right.

- Ramona marries Dan against her will.

And then both of them get sent on this mission--

Against their will.

- And did they have a choice?

- No. No.

- Never in a million years would I have ever guessed

that those gentle, loving girls

could have ever carried out a hit on anyone.

- Not a single person I've ever talked to says,

oh, I wanted to go and do this.

Nobody wanted to go and do those things.

- They didn't want to do them.

It was not in their nature to do them,

but the power of brainwashing and mind control.

Brainwashing is super powerful and super, super real.

I don't know if someone who wasn't brainwashed

can quite understand the depths of that mind control,

but that is what we grew up in.

Women were just beaten down, and the men were too.

- Subjugated.

- Subjugated and forced to comply.

They had to be submissive, or they couldn't survive in this.

- Well, and you didn't have any options.

You don't have any way out.

So whatever you were told inside the group,

you just had to do.

- Here's my question for Celia. - Yes?

- What would have happened had you been ordered

to go blood atone someone.

- I want to believe that I would be like my sister Ramona

and not be able to do it.

Even though she was there, she couldn't quite carry it out.

I want to believe that that would have been me.

But I have no way of knowing.

And I'm so, so grateful to this day

that that was not put on my plate.

I think they felt like

they were doing the right thing

because we were God's chosen people.

- You had to listen to the Prophet, obey the Prophet,

work towards getting to that celestial kingdom.

Had it been me being sent on this mission,

I wouldn't have had a choice.

I would have had to do it or be blood atoned myself.

The murder of Rulon Allred

was a very big story.

The mysterious aspects of that murder,

it certainly grabbed headline news.

- It was very big.

It was national news.

- Probably within a day,

if not sooner, they had thought,

well, it must have something to do with his lifestyle,

being a polygamist.

The common idea in Mormon Utah

was that two feminist women were against polygamy

so bad that they murdered Rulon Allred.

The question that troubled investigators is,

did these women do this on their own free will,

or did someone hire them to kill Rulon Allred?

- The only person I had heard of in recent times

that threatened my father's life was Ervil LeBaron.

The only one that made any sense to us

who killed Daddy that day

were Ervil or one of his henchmen.

Prior to my father's death, some of Ervil's followers

came to the Salt Lake area specifically

to extort and threaten my father.

There was a written note stuck to a car.

My father was a very respected, influential person

and had a huge following.

And Ervil wanted that.

There wasn't any doubt as to who was behind the murder.

I was worried about my family.

Just because my dad had been killed,

it wasn't reason enough to let our guard down

or to think there was no longer a threat.

Ervil wants to be

just as important as Jesus Christ.

He is going to be the King of the Kingdom of God on Earth

and organize all of the churches in the world

under him.

Ervil has this militia.

He has secret conclaves where he's planning murders,

including the murder of Rulon Allred.

And this was an incredibly organized,

complicated hit.

Ervil was motivated to kill Rulon Allred

because he wanted some of his followers and his power,

but he also had another motive.

And that was a devious plan to murder his brother Verlan.

This is where you really start seeing

the craziness of Ervil come out.

The lure, the bait he's going to use to get to Verlan.

I hate to use the word genius,

but there was an element of diabolical genius.

- He had to come up with another awful way

to get rid of my dad.

Rulon Allred had been a dear friend of the family,

and my father loved that man and respected him.

He would never miss that funeral.

- So the plan was to attack and kill Verlan at the funeral.

- Right.

This was a double-feature murder.

Rulon Allred was act one.

Act two was going to be the murder of Verlan LeBaron.

We were living in Denver in the greenhouse

when Rulon Allred was killed.

There were 20 children and three moms.

Each wife would have a bedroom,

and then all the kids would just grab a blanket

out of the corner at night and then go pile up

in a little corner in the living room.

We didn't know where our dad was any of the time.

My mom would come and go a lot.

- Whatever order she was given, she had to obey it.

She could not question.

Dan Jordan was in charge

of the Denver faction of my dad's cult.

He was our father's right-hand man.

He was second-in-command in everything

related to whatever was happening in the church.

The way our clan supported themselves

was with the appliance repair business.

- We even called it Michael's Appliance because it was--

Michael is God, right?

We opened it so that we could be doing God's work

and raising money to do God's work.

Michael's Appliance was there

to send money to Ervil for whatever Ervil needed.

Sometimes it was attorney fees.

Sometimes it was so he could live his luxurious life

with his fancy cars.

Young boys generally were taught

to repair the appliances.

Then they came to the cleaning department...

- Where the girls worked.

- And generally, the girls worked

in the cleaning department.

As soon as you were old enough to be put to work,

that's when you entered the workforce.

So 9 or 10, I was put in the warehouse full-time.

12 hour days, six days a week.

- It was not a regular storefront.

It was a sort of a clandestine thing.

It wasn't like an aboveboard legitimate business.

We would wash and scrub

dirty, nasty, old appliances.

- Appliances with 2 inches thick

of rat turds and roach droppings.

- We would find dead mice and rats.

- And live roaches.

- And live roaches would come out of them.

And you had to just sit there and do it.

I was taught Dan was a patriarch.

You had to revere him and honor him.

- If he came in a room, and you weren't working,

I mean, you would hear the riot act.

He would come with his round face

and his trembling jowls

and his black beady eyes and his greasy comb-over.

He would come in shouting,

"You goddamn, lazy motherfucking sons of bitches!"

- "You goddamn son of a bitch, lazy."

- "Get off your lazy asses, and get this work done!"

He was terrifying to us children.

We were nothing but child slave labor for Dan Jordan.

I was beat down to a pulp.

And the thing is, though,

you weren't allowed to complain about it.

My mother would tell us that feeling sorry for yourself

is the first sign of insanity.

And insanity was basically equivalent

to being possessed by the devil.

You don't want to get devil possessed,

so you don't complain about it.

You just suck it up and do what you're told.

- It was a life characterized by fear, chaos, and insecurity.

We would get off at 9:00 at night,

load up in the station wagon.

- Either go dumpster diving or "gardening,"

or else we would go to the Goodwill.

- And go gift-boxing. - And go gift-boxing.

Gift-boxing is where we would go to the Goodwill drop-offs.

Somebody would have to get boosted up into

the little donation drop slot.

Many times that was my sister, Anna.

And then she would shimmy down there and push bags out.

And we would take this treasure trove

of donated goodies and just see who--

what kid could fit into it.

- And you would just hope and pray

that something would fit you.

The one time I got something,

they pulled out this red jumpsuit.

- Oh, yeah, I remember that one.

- And it looked like the jumpsuit that--

- Olivia Newton-John. - Olivia Newton-John was wearing

on the back of that one album cover.

And I did get that one that one time.

And I felt like I was hot stuff.

I had fantasies about

what life would be like if I were in a normal family.

What kind of clothes would I wear?

What kind of friends would I have?

But then I would squelch those feelings.

I would tell myself our life is better

because we are building the Kingdom of God.

- We are celestial children.

- And where much is given, much is expected.

- We were watching the news all the time

after Uncle Rulon was murdered, hoping to see

who would be arrested, and what would happen.

- Some Utah polygamists say the murder of Rulon Allred

came as no surprise.

And if something isn't done, they predict more bloodshed.

- My first suspicion was that it was very possibly

the Ervil LeBaron group.

My life has been threatened too.

It was threatened by the Ervil LeBaron gang.

And they did quite a bit of threatening different lives

in this--in these valleys.

- As people start to suspect

that this might be an Ervil LeBaron hit,

police have almost nothing to go on.

And there's all kinds of rumor

that there are polygamist groups

warring with one another.

And this might have been an execution.

Is that possible?

- I would prefer not to comment on that--

in that area at this time.

- But finally, they catch their first break in the case.

These two men rummaging through a dumpster

looking for recyclable cans...

Find a grocery bag.

In the grocery bag, they find the gun case

for a .38 Smith and Wesson.

This doesn't happen in real life.

This happens in movies where somebody finds, like,

a bag with all the evidence in it and calls the police.

- The serial number in the gun box

traced back to a gun dealer in Denver, Colorado.

- They discover a week earlier a woman bought the gun.

That woman's name is Nancy Chynoweth.

Once the police have Nancy Chynoweth's name,

who was married to Victor,

Victor Chynoweth has a younger sister, Rena,

who is Ervil's 13th wife.

That was the first time that we'd actually

made a connection between the killing

and Ervil LeBaron.

Police look into Ervil LeBaron's past

and learn about Joel's murder and the Los Molinos raid.

And they immediately suspect that he must be the mastermind

behind Rulon Allred's murder.

Now there are a lot of agencies

looking for Ervil LeBaron.

They knew he was a threat.

He was at this time acting like a domestic terrorist.

The FBI puts him on the top of the 10 Most Wanted List.

- Panic and terror spread throughout Utah

and then nationally.

Of course, you have to remember

this is a decade after the Manson Family Murders.

Ervil LeBaron started being tagged "The Mormon Manson."

It was shocking. It was horrifying.

It made national news headlines.

News media covered it everywhere.

It's understandable because he was a cult leader,

and he never dirtied his hands, never bloodied his hands.

But he was able to compel them

to go carry out that kind of handiwork.

- Phase one of this grand plan to get Verlan is completed.

Rulon has now been murdered.

And now we move on to phase two, which is the funeral.

- Ervil is counting on Verlan to show up

at Rulon Allred's funeral.

- He had so many people who loved and respected him

that the funeral was going to be huge.

- We knew there was real violence that could come.

- People are extremely concerned

about their personal safety.

- And just as he had planned, Verlan shows up to the funeral.

All of us felt that

my dad, Verlan, wasn't safe anymore.

None of us were safe.

We arrived at the funeral.

I recognized right away that there were several police cars,

and there were several positioned officers.

Police weren't stupid.

There was too much going on.

And they had extensive police presence

at the funeral.

They didn't put anything past Ervil LeBaron.

This is ripe for disaster.

Just a few feet away are three of Ervil's men

with a car full of fully automatic rifles

and this plan to go create chaos and death.

And the clock is ticking now.

- They start thinking because of the amount of police around,

they're probably going to get killed

before they can kill Verlan.

It's going to be a bloodbath.

They realize they can't pull it off.

And they abandoned the mission.

They had been given a divine mission to carry out,

and they had failed to do so.

They had to have been pretty worried

of what was going to come their way.

The stakes don't get higher.

Ervil's going to kill them for not following through.

We have a very memorable picture

of us sons walking out with the casket,

and how easy a target that could have been.

- The big question on everyone's mind at this point

is where's Ervil?

- Ervil had been on the run for years.

Law enforcement always had a really hard time

keeping tabs on Ervil,

finding out where he was.

I think it's very much part of that nature of Ervil's cult.

These are people who see themselves

as kind of outcasts anyway,

living on the fringe of things,

living in secrecy.

You never trust authority.

You never trust, you know, mainstream law enforcement.

Our father had factions

all over the Southwest United States and in Mexico.

We had people in California,

Denver, Dallas, Houston.

- Ervil is smart. He knows what he's doing.

He works in the shadows,

sort of bouncing around all over the area,

playing this game of cat and mouse with law enforcement.

As law enforcement try to find Ervil,

they're discovering other cases,

other disappearances, other murders

that seem to be linked to the cult,

including Ervil's own daughter, Rebecca.

- Rebecca was our half-sister.

She was one of our father's daughters by his first wife.

She was a little bit older than me.

And sometimes she babysat us.

She lived with us in Dallas.

She was about 17 years old.

And I know she was expecting her second child.

As always happened in our lives, she was gone again.

Poof. We didn't hear from her again.

Rebecca had been struggling

with some mental illness.

She had been a plural wife, had problems with it.

She'd been a liability to the group.

Apparently, several of Ervil's followers

took her out into the mountains,

strangled her.

No one was ever convicted for her murder.

In fact, very few people investigated it.

And the theory is that she was buried in a shallow grave

but has never been found.

- In my mind, it was like she got hurt,

or she got lost and then found--

- You--you weren't imagining the worst?

- I could not have imagined what happened to Rebecca,

but I knew it was something terrible

and that I didn't want to know.

- The idea that a man could murder his own child,

his--his pregnant daughter,

you really get a sense of just how--

how homicidal, how crazy Ervil's becoming.

- I was best friends with Rebecca.

And they told me that she had gone crazy

because she was running around the neighborhood naked.

She truly was mentally ill, OK?

And they were afraid that she would tell.

And then I found out years later

that they had killed her and--

and taken her and put her in a car.

No. It was years afterwards.

And oh, my gosh.

It was--

it was really heart-wrenching.

- So many of the women in our group

were taught to stay quiet.

You weren't allowed to complain.

You weren't allowed to question.

You weren't allowed to, um,

think your own thoughts about anything.

It was normalized to just do what you're told

and not ask any questions.

And so that's what we did,

which it seems really odd

for people who didn't experience that.

Like, "Do you have feelings about it?"

No, you weren't allowed to have feelings about it.

And the murder of Rebecca was absolutely

what kept other women in line, doing what they're told,

not being a problem, because problems were taken care of.

- The threat was very real.

- People that didn't do what they were told were killed.

- At this point, Ervil LeBaron's body count

has risen to five people.

The madness was hastening.

The revelation of these murders

puts tremendous pressure on law enforcement

to find more leads.

There were lots of motels

within three or four miles of Rulon's office.

The investigators had to go check the registrations

on the dates of the homicide.

They found a license number to a vehicle.

It was registered to Rena's father, Bud Chynoweth.

The registration was submitted for handwriting analysis.

The handwriting expert said that that was,

in fact, Rena's handwriting.

But she was on the run and disappeared.

Even though police have evidence against Rena

for the hit on Rulon Allred,

they really don't have any way to find her.

And they still have no idea that Ramona is involved.

- We all lived with Rena.

And remember, we didn't call her Rena, though.

We called her-- - Patty.

- Patty. - Patty.

- Patty. Wow.

I did not remember that. - Yes.

- And so she was using a different name.

Did we know that that was a different name?

Did we already know her by Rena?

- Yes. Oh, no, I knew her by Rena.

- I never knew Rena. - Absolutely.

I know you wouldn't have. No.

And you may not remember.

- I might not--

- But I always knew her as Rena my whole life.

So we were told to call her Patty.

And we're like, OK.

We had no idea why we were having to call her Patty.

- Did you have any idea?

- No. Did you have any idea?

None? - I had no recollection.

- I didn't have any idea.

- Rena and Ramona were in Mexico

because they were being accused--

- They were being-- they were wanted.

- They were wanted for killing Allred, right?

- They were on the run from the law living down in Mexico

and hiding out.

And all three of us lived with both of them.

Yes.

- And not one of us had a clue.

- Not a clue. - Why they were even there?

- Ervil and his followers knew how to stay

one step ahead of the cops--

changing cars, moving motels,

moving houses, changing names.

And they were really good at it.

- A lot of our lives we spent running from the law.

We didn't understand it at the time.

We didn't know what was going on.

But we moved house to house to house

in order to stay ahead of the law.

One day while we were living in Denver,

I got to go and spend the night with Faye and Ramona

at their house.

They're showing me the house.

And we go into this bedroom that had a built-in bookcase

in the wall.

And then Faye says, look at this.

And then she unlatches something,

and then the bookcase moves

into this interior hidden room.

This was the coolest room I'd ever seen in my whole life.

But that was the hiding place for whoever

happened to be in the house that was wanted by the law.

It's been months since

the death of Rulon Allred,

and police are no closer to solving the crime.

But then one of Ervil's wives comes forward...

His first wife, Delfina,

with her 15-year-old son, Isaac.

- Isaac was a very handsome, sweet boy, just a good kid.

But after his sister Rebecca was killed,

he and his mother kept asking,

"Where's Rebecca? Where's Rebecca?"

- Isaac and his mother have a terrible feeling

that something bad has happened to Rebecca.

And if Ervil was capable of murdering his own child,

he was capable of killing anyone,

including his wife and son.

Isaac was threatened many times by Ervil.

His own father had abused him mentally,

physically for years.

Imagine being 15 years old

and worrying that your dad was going to kill you.

- If you started questioning and doubting

and even whispered to somebody else that you wanted out,

and that got back to Ervil, then you would be blood atoned.

It was like in the mafia.

- Even though they're going to risk death,

Isaac and his mother decide they're going to come forward

and out Ervil and his misdeeds.

So they go to the police.

Isaac names Rulon Allred's killers--

the trigger woman, Rena Chynoweth,

and her alleged accomplice, Ramona Marston.

Isaac also gives up the names

of two men allegedly involved in the raid against Los Molinos--

Eddie Marston,

and Rena's brother, Mark Chynoweth.

Mark Chynoweth joined our father's cult

when Mark was a boy.

He was very musically talented.

He was great on the piano.

He was a loyal follower of Ervil

and helped support the cause.

- Isaac had been in on a bunch of these crazy meetings

with Mark and Ervil,

where they were talking about killing people.

And so he was able to stand against his own father,

which was courageous of him.

He was kind of the connection

that really led to tying everything together.

There were warrants issued in five different states

to search homes, businesses,

looking for all of these people.

It was a massive manhunt.

- In the fall of 1977, we were sound asleep.

It's about 5:00 in the morning.

And there's pounding on the door.

And then suddenly men burst into the house with guns.

- There's 20 kids on the floor, all of us in blankets.

They're saying don't move.

You stay right where you are. Don't move!

And we do not understand one bit of what's happening.

We were absolutely terrified.

They were really searching the house very quickly.

- Very quickly, yeah.

- Going from room to room to room

in order to find the adults that they were looking for.

But we knew if we got taken to be interrogated,

that we had to answer every question...

I don't know.

As a result of the police raids,

we end up with four people from the LeBaron clan.

And we had Ramona,

who never ended up being convicted.

We had Eddie Marston and Mark Chynoweth.

Unfortunately, we didn't have Rena,

and we didn't have Ervil.

And that's who we needed.

- After the raid, you didn't talk about it.

You had to just stuff it down.

- It was just so many things we didn't understand.

The only explanation we ever got

was that we were God's chosen people.

- Right.

- God's chosen people are persecuted.

And that was it. That's all we were ever told.

A few months after the raid happened,

we were awakened up in the middle of the night.

We were told, " Go get in the car.

- "Just go get in the car."

And then we were given like a little grocery bag

to put a few outfits in.

- Adults told you to get in the car,

you didn't know if you were going to the grocery store,

or if you were going for good.

And you just got in the car and left.

We had no idea where we were going.

Nobody told us anything ever.

- I was a very just, like, scared child.

Like, I was scared. I was terrified all the time.

- We learned later that Ervil had some kind of a dream

or a revelation that he interpreted

as meaning Anna Mae's children were in danger

and that she needed to get them out of Denver.

And then we arrived, I don't know how many days later,

in Mexico where it was blistering hot.

- My brother, Hyrum, and I were sent to go live with

Andres Zarate and his wife in Mexico.

They were followers of my father's religion.

They were strangers to me and to Hyrum.

And I am put to work.

- Well, you had to earn your keep.

- I had to earn my keep.

- The people that we had to live with

mostly seemed to feel like we were a burden.

- And there was this one day I was left with Andres alone.

He sits me down on the bed, and he's like touching me.

Rubbing my leg.

And saying, Anna,

let's talk about love.

- She's nine years old.

- I'm nine years old, barely nine.

Little skinny thing.

And he is already starting to groom me

to one day become his wife.

There was a room that had a window,

and you could see some mountains off in the distance.

And I used to look out that window and just think--

- Oh. - If I could just--

- I'm sorry.

- Somehow get over those mountains,

that's where my mom is.

And I could be with her.

One day, they told me that my dad was gonna come.

Everything was abuzz about Ervil coming.

And this was the first time

that I would get to meet my father.

In preparation for his visit, one of the weird things that

we had to do was we had to cover the windows with sheets

so that he couldn't be seen by outsiders.

At the time, I did not know that

we were covering the windows because my dad

was on the run from the law.

My father was in his mid to late-40s

when I met him for the first time.

He was such a large figure, not just physically,

but in my mind, so it was exciting to meet him.

I would sneak and go watch him through the door

sitting at his desk with these large yellow legal pads

with his pen and write for hours.

And it was just so,

ah, wow.

One day, he says,

"Um, do you know how to make coffee?"

I had never done it, though, and I said, "Yes, I do."

He said, "Will you go make me a cup of coffee?"

It felt like an honor that he asked me

to go make him coffee.

And I was so excited that I got to do something

for the Prophet Ervil LeBaron.

I was so proud of myself.

And I thought, my dad knew my name.

And that's what I treasured the most.

Law enforcement is really focusing on Ervil.

They know he's probably spending most of his time

down in Mexico.

It's a clever dodge because it's very difficult

for American law enforcement

to get any sort of license to operate inside Mexico.

Even though he's hiding,

he manically writes all the time.

- He has delusions of grandeur.

He thinks he's still revelating and talking to God.

He's writing letters. He's writing threats.

He's writing doctrine.

He's writing revelations and rules.

Ervil was sending out letters very publicly

to all the news stations and sending them to President Carter

and Vice President Mondale.

He sends a letter to Jimmy Carter,

the sitting president,

demanding that Jimmy Carter tithe to Ervil LeBaron,

God's Prophet here on Earth.

A tithe is 10% of your income.

Ervil is taunting them with his scripture,

just this onslaught of energy and--and you know--

and craziness and verbiage.

- I think that there was a sort of naked hubris

that Ervil would make it out of this scrape

because it was God's will.

He thought he was so untouchable in his mind.

- The Mexican government's never shown a huge interest

in going after Ervil or his followers,

but that's starting to change.

The Americans telling the Mexicans,

this guy is really bad news.

He's murdered people in Mexico. We know that for a fact.

He's linked to murders up here in the States.

We really want to get this guy.

We had been living in Mexico for about six months

in that little apartment.

One night we go to bed.

- Rena was there.

Dan Jordan was there.

We shared the same living space with him for a little while.

Hyrum and I were asleep.

You know, me and him are just little small children.

I'm nine, and he's young--he's six.

And he hears the pounding on the door.

- Bang, bang, bang.

It was loud.

So I just got up and kind of, in my groggy state,

toddled over to the front door and opened the front door.

And they just pushed their way past me.

Suddenly, there's, you know,

five or six men with guns coming through the door very quickly.

We're scared and frightened

and terrorized out of our minds.

- All the children were herded into a back room.

Eventually, they gathered up all the adults,

and it was pure chaos.

I saw them interrogating Rena.

They had a light on her asking her questions.

I remember they were mad and like animated and, ah,

and then at one point, he backhanded her.

I mean, like, hard, to where she actually

fell back and obviously in pain.

That was so frightening as a child.

And then them telling us, you know, stay where you are.

Don't move.

They went through that house with a fine tooth comb.

They turned everything over, opened everything.

And we knew what they were looking for.

They are looking for Ervil.

- My father, Ervil, actually was

not in that house at the time, but Dan Jordan was there.

- At the same time, there was another place nearby

that was also being raided.

- By incredible fluke, they also find Ervil LeBaron.

- He looks real rough. He was disheveled.

He was gross.

Ervil admits that he's Ervil LeBaron.

This is where things get really bizarre.

The Mexicans don't believe him.

The Federales think, like, who would follow

this old guy who is claiming to be Ervil LeBaron?

He's got to be protecting the real Ervil LeBaron.

They just think he's just some low-level nobody,

when, in fact, they do have Ervil in their hands.

They go to Dan and question him, are you Ervil LeBaron?

And Dan Jordan says, "Yes."

It's sort of this buck-wild twist.

Dan Jordan convinced them to arrest him,

not for his own sins, his own crimes, but for Ervil's.

Dan Jordan took one for the Prophet.

- So they arrested Dan Jordan as Ervil LeBaron,

and let the real Ervil LeBaron walk.

They had him in their custody.

And he slips away.