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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:09,226 --> 00:00:10,314 You're always looking for sexy. 4 00:00:10,358 --> 00:00:11,837 Everyone's always looking for sexy. 5 00:00:11,881 --> 00:00:13,535 I'm always looking for sexy! 6 00:00:15,015 --> 00:00:15,928 But... 7 00:00:16,886 --> 00:00:18,279 smart is sexy. 8 00:00:41,476 --> 00:00:43,652 It is as if I know 9 00:00:44,087 --> 00:00:48,483 how wonderful this person, this talent is. 10 00:00:48,526 --> 00:00:51,573 I'd rather see a bit of a miracle, and then... 11 00:00:52,356 --> 00:00:55,664 just encourage it to keep being miraculous because 12 00:00:56,447 --> 00:00:57,579 the thing about people, 13 00:00:59,233 --> 00:01:00,799 especially when they're young and coming along, 14 00:01:00,843 --> 00:01:04,760 is that they're racked with so much insecurity. 15 00:01:04,803 --> 00:01:07,241 They don't know how fabulous they are. 16 00:01:07,284 --> 00:01:09,547 He seemed to be at the pulse of the underground 17 00:01:09,591 --> 00:01:12,028 in New York City. He was always, sort of, 18 00:01:12,420 --> 00:01:15,249 in that world of Lou Reed and Iggy, 19 00:01:15,292 --> 00:01:16,859 the whole Warhol gang. 20 00:01:16,902 --> 00:01:18,991 He was sort of the mayor of New York City, 21 00:01:19,035 --> 00:01:20,341 when it came to that. 22 00:01:20,384 --> 00:01:24,258 Danny's a connector, like a fuel line in a car, 23 00:01:25,041 --> 00:01:28,740 which is, by the way, one of the most dangerous places, 24 00:01:28,784 --> 00:01:32,440 a place where things are liable to... erupt. 25 00:01:32,962 --> 00:01:35,095 He's been the handmaiden to the gods, 26 00:01:35,138 --> 00:01:37,314 he's been midwife to 27 00:01:37,358 --> 00:01:40,578 some of the most important people in music. 28 00:01:40,622 --> 00:01:42,754 I remember the first time I went to his house, 29 00:01:43,146 --> 00:01:46,018 and I found the "Wall of Fame." 30 00:01:46,062 --> 00:01:50,240 And he said, "Yeah, here's Janis and Patti..." 31 00:01:50,284 --> 00:01:51,807 Various stories, 32 00:01:51,850 --> 00:01:53,939 denigrating or otherwise, about all of them. 33 00:01:53,983 --> 00:01:55,463 And then there was a picture of me. 34 00:01:56,377 --> 00:02:00,032 You know, in a mirror, putting my make-up on. 35 00:02:00,076 --> 00:02:01,512 I was really overwhelmed. 36 00:02:01,556 --> 00:02:03,601 Somehow I was preparing my first trip to New York, 37 00:02:03,645 --> 00:02:05,429 Danny said, "Stay with me." 38 00:02:05,473 --> 00:02:07,431 Really, Danny was my introduction to New York 39 00:02:07,475 --> 00:02:08,476 and the East Coast. 40 00:02:08,519 --> 00:02:10,434 And Danny was the first person 41 00:02:10,478 --> 00:02:13,263 to explain to me the importance of a cover of a magazine. 42 00:02:13,307 --> 00:02:16,440 That meant something. We just put any random thing on a cover. 43 00:02:16,484 --> 00:02:17,746 He said, "No, no, no, when you do that, 44 00:02:17,789 --> 00:02:19,922 it signifies great importance." 45 00:02:19,965 --> 00:02:23,099 So that was another revelation to me, so... 46 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:24,448 You know, kinda just... 47 00:02:24,492 --> 00:02:26,842 Danny was an early teacher. 48 00:02:27,234 --> 00:02:30,411 Danny was one of those people who was into rock 'n' roll 49 00:02:30,454 --> 00:02:33,109 and the rebellious edge that it had, 50 00:02:33,153 --> 00:02:35,067 and he chose to work with 51 00:02:35,111 --> 00:02:37,287 the most rebellious of those people. 52 00:02:37,331 --> 00:02:42,597 His art is knowing how to place people within a context, 53 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:44,773 and that context, within the culture. 54 00:02:44,816 --> 00:02:47,732 All of the bands that were in Danny's universe, 55 00:02:47,776 --> 00:02:49,734 whether he worked with them or not, 56 00:02:49,778 --> 00:02:52,694 had a great, great influence because 57 00:02:53,173 --> 00:02:56,306 they were doing something that nobody else was doing. 58 00:02:56,350 --> 00:02:59,657 They created themselves out of the stuff of... 59 00:03:00,223 --> 00:03:01,572 dust. 60 00:03:01,616 --> 00:03:05,141 He speeded up the evolution in a tremendous way. 61 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:07,187 Nothing was ever the same after that. 62 00:03:07,230 --> 00:03:09,232 This music went on to take over the world. 63 00:03:22,854 --> 00:03:24,552 I was born in Brooklyn. 64 00:03:24,595 --> 00:03:27,207 My father was in and out of the war, 65 00:03:27,250 --> 00:03:29,252 so there was a lot of grandparents and aunts. 66 00:03:29,296 --> 00:03:30,645 There were four sisters, 67 00:03:30,688 --> 00:03:33,343 and their idea of sinning as teenagers, 68 00:03:33,387 --> 00:03:35,911 was to go out and eat shrimp in a Chinese restaurant. 69 00:03:35,954 --> 00:03:37,347 God bless that generation. 70 00:03:37,391 --> 00:03:38,914 That's how they defied... 71 00:03:39,436 --> 00:03:42,700 tradition and parent control, they ate shrimp. 72 00:03:43,179 --> 00:03:45,225 And I grew up with them, so they were sort of 73 00:03:45,268 --> 00:03:47,052 four "Auntie Mames" in a way. 74 00:03:47,488 --> 00:03:50,404 My life was mainly my hobbies, I had no friends. 75 00:03:50,926 --> 00:03:53,929 I went to school like everybody else, I got all A's. 76 00:03:54,364 --> 00:03:57,149 I took a lot of amphetamines cause my father was a doctor, 77 00:03:57,193 --> 00:03:59,064 so I've been taking amphetamine every day 78 00:03:59,108 --> 00:04:00,718 since I was ten. 79 00:04:00,762 --> 00:04:01,893 But so was everyone else, 80 00:04:01,937 --> 00:04:02,851 my mother. 81 00:04:04,374 --> 00:04:07,203 There was a bowl of Desoxyn on the dining room table, 82 00:04:07,247 --> 00:04:10,293 like people would have M&M's, I don't know what Italians have, 83 00:04:10,337 --> 00:04:12,904 but we had Desoxyn and Dexamine. 84 00:04:12,948 --> 00:04:15,472 I always went against the grain, 85 00:04:15,516 --> 00:04:17,648 whether it was because I was a little faggot, 86 00:04:17,692 --> 00:04:19,259 which everyone else knew but me, 87 00:04:19,650 --> 00:04:21,348 or whether it was because I didn't like 88 00:04:21,391 --> 00:04:23,088 my parents' tastes in anything. 89 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,134 Oh, it's Daniel's Bar Mitzvah! 90 00:04:25,656 --> 00:04:28,746 This is quality. This is high class. 91 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:30,748 Okay, there's my mother and my father, 92 00:04:30,792 --> 00:04:32,750 and my little brother. The traditional... 93 00:04:33,490 --> 00:04:34,448 kiss... 94 00:04:35,753 --> 00:04:37,364 The traditional pomade. 95 00:04:37,407 --> 00:04:38,452 My brother. 96 00:04:39,496 --> 00:04:41,150 Isn't this mortifying? 97 00:04:41,193 --> 00:04:44,893 Now, the main thing at a Bar Mitzvah is all kids. 98 00:04:44,936 --> 00:04:49,289 Then, it was just a few kids, and I hated kids. 99 00:04:49,332 --> 00:04:53,597 They had to scrape the bottom of the genealogy barrel. 100 00:04:53,641 --> 00:04:57,035 Oh yay, hurray! Aren't they nice? 101 00:04:57,079 --> 00:04:59,864 It's amazing to have something like that, isn't it? 102 00:04:59,908 --> 00:05:01,518 Forest Hills! 103 00:05:01,562 --> 00:05:03,346 Home of the Ramones, right? 104 00:05:05,479 --> 00:05:07,916 When I was a teenager, and I was at Penn... 105 00:05:09,047 --> 00:05:10,440 there was no right table. 106 00:05:10,484 --> 00:05:13,182 I was in the wrong table from the get-go. 107 00:05:13,225 --> 00:05:15,706 The wrong city, the wrong school. 108 00:05:16,185 --> 00:05:18,622 My best friend, Steve Levine, said, 109 00:05:18,666 --> 00:05:21,190 "You have to see this singer." And it was Nina Simone. 110 00:05:21,756 --> 00:05:24,672 ♪ Say love me and leave me And let me be lonely ♪ 111 00:05:24,715 --> 00:05:27,327 ♪ You won't believe me, but I love you only ♪ 112 00:05:27,370 --> 00:05:30,765 ♪ I'd rather be lonely than happy with somebody else... ♪ 113 00:05:30,808 --> 00:05:34,159 She would come and sit with the guys from Penn. 114 00:05:34,203 --> 00:05:37,424 She was so, I'd say insecure, but she was humble. 115 00:05:37,467 --> 00:05:39,948 "Do you really think I'm good?" kinda thing. 116 00:05:39,991 --> 00:05:41,863 "You think what I'm doing will work?" 117 00:05:41,906 --> 00:05:43,647 Well, I don't know, we were 15! 118 00:05:43,691 --> 00:05:45,432 As long as it's good enough for then, 119 00:05:45,475 --> 00:05:48,391 you can't think of what noise this is gonna make 120 00:05:48,435 --> 00:05:50,175 in the history of history. 121 00:05:50,219 --> 00:05:54,310 And that was part of our little crowd, trying to escape, 122 00:05:54,919 --> 00:05:57,792 the "Penn penitude," "penal-atude." 123 00:05:57,835 --> 00:06:00,447 Other schools looked so sexy compared to 124 00:06:00,490 --> 00:06:03,711 all the Jew finance majors at Penn. 125 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:05,800 Yeah, I had straight A's. 126 00:06:05,843 --> 00:06:08,933 I was sixth in my class of a thousand... 127 00:06:08,977 --> 00:06:10,065 and the youngest. 128 00:06:11,675 --> 00:06:14,896 One of our immediate crowd was a flaming faggot 129 00:06:14,939 --> 00:06:16,680 who loved to get fucked. 130 00:06:16,724 --> 00:06:19,857 So I knew all the juicy ways, what they did. 131 00:06:19,901 --> 00:06:22,556 The night I graduated college, we went out to celebrate, 132 00:06:22,599 --> 00:06:25,210 and one of the things we did 133 00:06:25,254 --> 00:06:28,039 was to go take a look at the promenade in Brooklyn Heights. 134 00:06:28,083 --> 00:06:30,912 They said it was very cruisy so we went up and looked at it. 135 00:06:31,434 --> 00:06:32,392 You know... 136 00:06:33,610 --> 00:06:35,395 I'm 19, I graduated college, 137 00:06:35,438 --> 00:06:38,398 and I stood there, and I did everything he said they do. 138 00:06:39,355 --> 00:06:42,445 Like, you look, and you wink and nod, and all... 139 00:06:42,489 --> 00:06:44,404 It's like you do a silent "Hello, sailor, 140 00:06:44,447 --> 00:06:46,362 would you like to come over?" 141 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:47,755 This is what they say! 142 00:06:47,798 --> 00:06:49,060 Whoa! 143 00:06:50,932 --> 00:06:52,760 I felt compelled to tell him on the way back to his house, 144 00:06:52,803 --> 00:06:54,414 "I've never done this before." 145 00:06:54,936 --> 00:06:58,243 Of course he said, "Oh, it'll be all right." 146 00:07:00,985 --> 00:07:03,031 So I always thought I would fall in love at Harvard, 147 00:07:03,074 --> 00:07:05,729 but I didn't know how to fall in love at Harvard Law School 148 00:07:05,773 --> 00:07:09,603 where everyone was 23 and wearing a suit and a tie. 149 00:07:09,646 --> 00:07:12,170 No one had sat next to me in Property 150 00:07:12,214 --> 00:07:13,607 or Civil Procedure 151 00:07:15,260 --> 00:07:18,263 that I wanted to go and have a coffee date with. 152 00:07:18,307 --> 00:07:20,265 So I had to call Keith. 153 00:07:20,309 --> 00:07:22,703 "I haven't be able to meet anyone like us." 154 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:25,445 I don't know what I said. 155 00:07:25,836 --> 00:07:27,751 I don't know what word I used. 156 00:07:27,795 --> 00:07:29,623 Homosexual, I guess. 157 00:07:29,666 --> 00:07:31,973 "Are there homosexuals in Boston?" 158 00:07:32,016 --> 00:07:35,193 And he said, "Yes, there are two bars in Boston, 159 00:07:36,020 --> 00:07:38,458 The Punchbowl and The Napoleon Club." 160 00:07:50,208 --> 00:07:52,602 I met people like Donald Lyons and Hal Peterson 161 00:07:52,646 --> 00:07:53,647 and Harold Talbot, 162 00:07:55,126 --> 00:07:56,824 real aristocrats of the mind and spirit. 163 00:07:56,867 --> 00:07:59,391 I was in the 99th percentile on the law school aptitude test, 164 00:07:59,435 --> 00:08:02,351 no one could believe it 'cause I was flaky. 165 00:08:02,743 --> 00:08:04,396 I stopped going to class, it was so boring, 166 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,399 and I hung out with a bunch of dissolute faggots, 167 00:08:07,443 --> 00:08:10,490 shoplifted a lot, charged a lot, 168 00:08:10,533 --> 00:08:12,535 ran around Harvard Square in a camel's hair coat 169 00:08:12,579 --> 00:08:13,841 and fucked a lot. 170 00:08:15,625 --> 00:08:17,366 That's what I always wanted to do was fuck at Harvard. 171 00:08:17,409 --> 00:08:19,499 And I got a big chance to do it, so I did it. 172 00:08:19,890 --> 00:08:21,805 Coming back to New York and moving 173 00:08:21,849 --> 00:08:23,503 to Greenwich Village where... 174 00:08:23,938 --> 00:08:26,593 You know, I stayed in this hotel and out the back window was 175 00:08:27,028 --> 00:08:30,466 lesbians, literally, having pissing contests. 176 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:32,076 Really, you think that's just a word, 177 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,643 but they really were doing it. 178 00:08:33,687 --> 00:08:36,516 They would press their pussies, pissies, 179 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,519 and see how strong they could make it, 180 00:08:39,562 --> 00:08:41,303 so they could pee further. 181 00:08:42,522 --> 00:08:45,525 That's what it means, isn't it? It's always what it means! 182 00:08:45,568 --> 00:08:47,527 But dykes could do it too and... 183 00:08:48,005 --> 00:08:50,834 Oh, God, welcome to Greenwich Village, so... 184 00:08:51,618 --> 00:08:55,056 I had nine years of that before the Stonewall. 185 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:58,712 When I got to New York and I met Danny and Jackie Curtis, 186 00:08:58,755 --> 00:09:01,410 it was all gay, but it wasn't homosexual. 187 00:09:01,758 --> 00:09:03,630 It was really gay, I guess, 188 00:09:03,673 --> 00:09:06,023 the definition of gay was just ha-ha. 189 00:09:06,676 --> 00:09:08,460 So what? 190 00:09:08,504 --> 00:09:10,680 When you talk about Danny being out, 191 00:09:10,724 --> 00:09:12,029 he was never in. 192 00:09:12,073 --> 00:09:14,162 We never came out to our parents, 193 00:09:14,205 --> 00:09:15,555 what's the point of that? 194 00:09:15,598 --> 00:09:18,122 Why would we want to upset those old people for? 195 00:09:18,166 --> 00:09:19,210 You know? 196 00:09:20,647 --> 00:09:22,562 We were okay, we don't have to bother them with it. 197 00:09:23,171 --> 00:09:27,697 You know, so gayness was not a point of reference, 198 00:09:27,741 --> 00:09:30,047 it was certainly not a definition. 199 00:09:30,091 --> 00:09:32,223 There was a columnist named Lee Mortimer, 200 00:09:32,267 --> 00:09:35,749 who'd disclose and expose 201 00:09:36,271 --> 00:09:38,012 gay bars in New York. 202 00:09:38,621 --> 00:09:41,581 It's like finding a protestant in Spain. 203 00:09:42,277 --> 00:09:44,888 They really were rooting them out. 204 00:09:44,932 --> 00:09:46,934 I didn't feel harassed by the police, 205 00:09:46,977 --> 00:09:48,326 but I didn't confront them 206 00:09:48,370 --> 00:09:50,633 like they did at the Stonewall either. 207 00:09:50,677 --> 00:09:51,765 Fuck it! 208 00:09:52,287 --> 00:09:54,724 We had a good time and... 209 00:09:54,768 --> 00:09:57,553 we all had to fuck each other 'cause it was like lesbians. 210 00:09:57,945 --> 00:10:01,035 It wasn't like we could go to the Firemen's Ball. 211 00:10:01,078 --> 00:10:02,906 And with the gay liberation came 212 00:10:02,950 --> 00:10:05,082 all these gay firemen and stuff like... 213 00:10:05,126 --> 00:10:06,388 Oh! 214 00:10:06,431 --> 00:10:09,173 You know, that's nice, be happy, but... 215 00:10:09,652 --> 00:10:13,787 I mean, I didn't wait my whole life for firemen to come out... 216 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:16,616 as a group. Who cares? 217 00:10:17,181 --> 00:10:19,749 I was in search of crazy people. 218 00:10:19,793 --> 00:10:22,447 I'd just come from three years in Philadelphia. 219 00:10:22,491 --> 00:10:24,624 What else would I want? Christians? 220 00:10:24,667 --> 00:10:28,149 I want my people with insanity in their blood. 221 00:10:34,590 --> 00:10:37,767 It was the same Sunday that inThe New York Times magazine 222 00:10:37,811 --> 00:10:40,640 the lead story was the soup cans. 223 00:10:40,683 --> 00:10:42,511 That was revolutionary. 224 00:10:42,554 --> 00:10:43,991 I thought that was really... 225 00:10:44,731 --> 00:10:46,776 pushing the bucket, or whatever you... 226 00:10:46,820 --> 00:10:48,648 Cutting the envelope because 227 00:10:48,691 --> 00:10:50,606 everything good starts off being hated 228 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:51,781 byThe New York Times. 229 00:10:51,825 --> 00:10:53,000 Andy was sitting... 230 00:10:53,653 --> 00:10:55,959 on the sofa with Gerard, 231 00:10:56,003 --> 00:10:59,006 and there was a woman crawling around the floor screaming, 232 00:10:59,049 --> 00:11:01,704 "Andy, I love you, I love you!" It was Ivy Nicholson, 233 00:11:01,748 --> 00:11:04,489 it was Andy's girl of the year, she was in love with him, 234 00:11:04,533 --> 00:11:08,624 and when she got close enough, he'd kick her in the chin and 235 00:11:08,668 --> 00:11:10,321 she just moaned and 236 00:11:10,365 --> 00:11:12,672 went over to one of the windows and started to climb out. 237 00:11:12,715 --> 00:11:16,240 I said, "Oh, my God! That woman is going to jump!" 238 00:11:17,024 --> 00:11:18,765 And I put my arms around her. 239 00:11:18,808 --> 00:11:21,202 And then I said, "There, there, you know, 240 00:11:21,245 --> 00:11:23,247 don't do something so silly." And then... 241 00:11:23,770 --> 00:11:25,119 I dunno, she took a sleeping pill, 242 00:11:25,162 --> 00:11:26,860 or someone gave her a Quaalude. 243 00:11:27,382 --> 00:11:28,862 And then as we were leaving, 244 00:11:28,905 --> 00:11:31,952 someone said to me, I thought it was Andy, 245 00:11:31,995 --> 00:11:33,780 "Boy, we were all hoping she would jump! 246 00:11:34,389 --> 00:11:36,957 You sort of spoiled it for everyone." 247 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,874 I was uncool by saving this person's life at a party. 248 00:11:42,527 --> 00:11:43,920 But the lesson is, 249 00:11:43,964 --> 00:11:45,835 it's sort of an upper class thing, 250 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:47,881 you don't get all excited about anything. 251 00:11:49,752 --> 00:11:51,711 I thought, "That suits me fine." 252 00:11:51,754 --> 00:11:52,886 That's it! 253 00:11:54,539 --> 00:11:55,497 I was not worried about being uncool anymore... 254 00:11:57,064 --> 00:11:58,848 because I knew all it took was to do nothing. 255 00:11:59,327 --> 00:12:02,330 That's the whole model of what that world was saying. 256 00:12:02,896 --> 00:12:04,724 "You're better of doing nothing. 257 00:12:04,767 --> 00:12:07,030 Look at it, and let the looking at it 258 00:12:07,074 --> 00:12:08,597 become the thing that you're doing." 259 00:12:09,076 --> 00:12:12,557 Once you're in those silver-aluminum rooms, 260 00:12:12,601 --> 00:12:13,602 you were in the world. 261 00:12:15,169 --> 00:12:16,736 It was like going through the looking glass, 262 00:12:16,779 --> 00:12:19,216 it was action central, people were coming to you. 263 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:21,044 What a good way to be in New York. 264 00:12:21,088 --> 00:12:22,742 It's the reason anyone comes to New York. 265 00:12:23,220 --> 00:12:26,571 A point of contact with, like, whatever is happening, 266 00:12:26,615 --> 00:12:28,399 recognized and creative, and all that. 267 00:12:28,443 --> 00:12:29,836 That was The Factory. 268 00:12:29,879 --> 00:12:31,620 That was as in as you could get. 269 00:12:34,101 --> 00:12:36,581 So then it's career time. I'm living in the village and 270 00:12:36,625 --> 00:12:37,974 going to have a career in publishing, 271 00:12:38,018 --> 00:12:39,933 and I'm gonna start at the bottom. 272 00:12:40,803 --> 00:12:42,762 So I sold books at Double Days. 273 00:12:42,805 --> 00:12:46,896 Then I got a job through an agency at Liquor Store Magazine, 274 00:12:46,940 --> 00:12:49,203 the monthly magazine that goes to all owners 275 00:12:49,246 --> 00:12:51,205 of all liquor stores in the United States. 276 00:12:51,683 --> 00:12:53,337 The day of the assassination, 277 00:12:53,381 --> 00:12:55,426 we were all sitting around the receptionist's desk. 278 00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:56,427 She had a radio. 279 00:12:58,212 --> 00:13:01,041 I'm like paralyzed and the boss came back from lunch and said, 280 00:13:01,084 --> 00:13:02,564 "What's going on here?" 281 00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:06,089 Someone managed to get out that 282 00:13:06,133 --> 00:13:07,874 the president had just been killed. 283 00:13:08,309 --> 00:13:11,051 And he said, "Hmm, too bad they didn't get his brother." 284 00:13:11,529 --> 00:13:14,794 I decided to have a party because it was one week later. 285 00:13:14,837 --> 00:13:17,622 The Warhols were there, the San Remos were there, 286 00:13:17,666 --> 00:13:20,277 and also all the people from Harvard, and they sorta all met. 287 00:13:20,321 --> 00:13:22,279 The only thing that we had to drink was 288 00:13:22,323 --> 00:13:24,064 vodka and grapefruit juice, 289 00:13:24,107 --> 00:13:27,110 which is just wonderful 'cause it's cheap, 290 00:13:27,154 --> 00:13:28,720 and it's potent 291 00:13:28,764 --> 00:13:32,072 and no one knows what the proportions are. 292 00:13:32,115 --> 00:13:34,465 You can just turn them up, or turn them down. 293 00:13:34,509 --> 00:13:37,904 No one on earth can tell, until you see the effects. 294 00:13:37,947 --> 00:13:40,167 It's like a silent, tasteless poison. 295 00:13:40,210 --> 00:13:45,128 In the middle of the evening, the door opened and 296 00:13:45,172 --> 00:13:48,436 Nico came in, dressed in 297 00:13:48,479 --> 00:13:51,743 tattered levis and tattered levi jacket. 298 00:13:51,787 --> 00:13:53,310 She came in with two men. 299 00:13:53,876 --> 00:13:56,183 One of whom was a Chilean count, 300 00:13:57,140 --> 00:13:59,708 and the other who was an English dandy. 301 00:14:00,796 --> 00:14:04,147 And the room of beautiful people just turned. 302 00:14:04,191 --> 00:14:06,062 She walked over to the table, 303 00:14:06,106 --> 00:14:07,759 and on which there was a punchbowl, 304 00:14:08,369 --> 00:14:09,457 and... 305 00:14:11,111 --> 00:14:16,290 dipped the ladle in and threw her head back and just... 306 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:18,553 Man, showstopper. 307 00:14:28,041 --> 00:14:29,694 That's how I met Nico. 308 00:14:29,738 --> 00:14:32,393 She crashed my party, then she got... 309 00:14:32,915 --> 00:14:34,525 She was in New York so 310 00:14:34,569 --> 00:14:37,224 she and the Warhols picked up on each other. 311 00:14:37,267 --> 00:14:39,704 She began to sing with The Velvet Underground. 312 00:14:39,748 --> 00:14:42,707 Being in the world of 313 00:14:42,751 --> 00:14:47,060 New York in the 60s was transcending everything to me. 314 00:14:47,103 --> 00:14:49,627 I was with people who were smart and 315 00:14:50,106 --> 00:14:53,718 sexy and famous and brilliant and talented and 316 00:14:53,762 --> 00:14:54,676 I had... 317 00:14:55,895 --> 00:15:00,247 what I had always wanted was a pool from 318 00:15:00,725 --> 00:15:03,206 where I could find friends. 319 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:06,906 That's what motivates me is to be in the right crowd. 320 00:15:07,689 --> 00:15:13,913 In 1964, Tommy Goodwin, everyone's favorite, 321 00:15:13,956 --> 00:15:16,263 most beloved, beautiful guy, 322 00:15:16,306 --> 00:15:19,614 drove down to New York from Cambridge, and he said, 323 00:15:19,657 --> 00:15:23,444 "Can my friend, Edie, stay at your apartment tonight?" 324 00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:32,757 I guess it was the first place she stayed when she moved here. 325 00:15:32,801 --> 00:15:35,412 I think she was going to model then, or something, 326 00:15:35,456 --> 00:15:37,588 she was into something fashiony. 327 00:15:37,632 --> 00:15:41,114 Then she met Andy, and then she changed her hair and 328 00:15:41,592 --> 00:15:43,246 she changed her look. 329 00:15:43,290 --> 00:15:44,769 I remember the first time he said 330 00:15:44,813 --> 00:15:46,946 he was going to do a screen test with her. 331 00:15:47,903 --> 00:15:49,600 And I thought, "What?" You know, 332 00:15:49,992 --> 00:15:52,255 "Gee, she's just another pretty face." 333 00:15:52,299 --> 00:15:55,650 And then, we saw the screen test like two days later, 334 00:15:55,693 --> 00:15:58,827 and it was just a revelation for everybody who was there. 335 00:15:59,262 --> 00:16:01,264 Because Andy had seen what she'd had, 336 00:16:01,308 --> 00:16:03,658 that she was bigger than life. 337 00:16:03,701 --> 00:16:05,138 And that's what a star is, 338 00:16:05,181 --> 00:16:07,531 someone who can stand the spotlight 339 00:16:07,575 --> 00:16:10,491 and continue to surprise and delight her audiences. 340 00:16:15,017 --> 00:16:18,455 I mean she always attracted and was attracted 341 00:16:18,499 --> 00:16:21,110 to the most brilliant and crazy people. 342 00:16:21,154 --> 00:16:24,287 And a lot of these people were probably mostly gay, 343 00:16:24,331 --> 00:16:25,636 but they were in love with her. 344 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,508 I mean seriously in love with her. 345 00:16:27,551 --> 00:16:29,292 - Andy was in love with her. - Really? 346 00:16:29,336 --> 00:16:31,599 Oh, yeah, definitely, he was as in love with her 347 00:16:31,642 --> 00:16:33,644 as any man can be with any woman. 348 00:16:33,688 --> 00:16:37,300 Whoever you were, next to her, you were strong in a way. 349 00:16:37,344 --> 00:16:39,650 'Cause she was so weak in so many ways, 350 00:16:39,694 --> 00:16:42,001 and she was so strong in so many ways. 351 00:16:42,044 --> 00:16:44,003 I don't know, people are just born, 352 00:16:44,046 --> 00:16:46,179 they just keep turning up in every generation. 353 00:16:48,355 --> 00:16:50,357 So Paul came down and... 354 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:53,751 It was his first night ever at The Factory and Andy was... 355 00:16:54,578 --> 00:16:56,406 Had the camera pointed at 356 00:16:56,885 --> 00:16:59,366 the center of this group of people and... 357 00:17:00,367 --> 00:17:03,848 he said to Paul, "Oh, you know anything about movies?" 358 00:17:03,892 --> 00:17:07,983 And, "Oh, I can't get all these people in the picture. 359 00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:09,550 I don't know what to do." 360 00:17:11,334 --> 00:17:12,509 And Paul said, "Well, there's the thing called a pan, 361 00:17:12,553 --> 00:17:16,383 and you, very slowly, you know... 362 00:17:17,123 --> 00:17:20,474 move the eye piece, whatever, what you're looking through, 363 00:17:20,952 --> 00:17:22,911 until you get all the people in." 364 00:17:22,954 --> 00:17:26,393 "Wow, we didn't really think you could really do that. 365 00:17:26,436 --> 00:17:29,178 I've always seen it in movies, but I didn't know how to do it. 366 00:17:29,222 --> 00:17:30,701 Oh, thank you." 367 00:17:30,745 --> 00:17:34,096 And this is how he learned to make movies 368 00:17:34,140 --> 00:17:35,358 as if he made movies, 369 00:17:35,402 --> 00:17:37,056 This is a good metaphor 370 00:17:37,491 --> 00:17:40,407 for everything, we just pretended there was no... 371 00:17:41,016 --> 00:17:42,539 known way of doing it, 372 00:17:42,583 --> 00:17:44,715 and maybe someone knew a known way of doing it, 373 00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:46,543 and admit what we don't know. 374 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:49,677 And be proud of what we don't know. 375 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,635 And make a virtue of what we don't know. 376 00:17:52,245 --> 00:17:53,289 And... 377 00:17:54,812 --> 00:17:59,556 turn a lack of expertise, lack of virtuosity, into... 378 00:18:00,775 --> 00:18:01,819 an asset. 379 00:18:12,482 --> 00:18:13,744 So I was wondering, 380 00:18:15,442 --> 00:18:17,139 when was the first time you ran into Cale or Reed? 381 00:18:17,183 --> 00:18:18,836 It was when the Velvet Underground was playing 382 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,143 at the Café Bizarre. 383 00:18:21,187 --> 00:18:24,059 They were terrific and very strange and wonderful. 384 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:26,279 They immediately became my favorite band. 385 00:18:26,975 --> 00:18:29,978 John was very intense and poetic and Welsh. 386 00:18:30,021 --> 00:18:33,503 Lou was very arrogant and difficult, 387 00:18:33,547 --> 00:18:35,244 and you must remember, everybody in New York 388 00:18:35,288 --> 00:18:36,767 was in love with Lou Reed. 389 00:18:36,811 --> 00:18:40,119 That crush on Lou was an energy that 390 00:18:40,510 --> 00:18:44,384 fueled a great deal of what went on in and around the band. 391 00:18:44,862 --> 00:18:46,125 It became... 392 00:18:46,603 --> 00:18:47,430 corrupted... 393 00:18:49,084 --> 00:18:50,781 by the presence of a lot of extraneous elements, 394 00:18:50,825 --> 00:18:53,306 like a psychedelic light show. 395 00:18:53,349 --> 00:18:56,961 I really think that's the reason that the band didn't go 396 00:18:57,005 --> 00:18:58,963 the route of rock 'n' roll success. 397 00:18:59,007 --> 00:19:03,142 John and Lou and Nico who were so intense and incredible, 398 00:19:03,751 --> 00:19:05,970 were covered over with flashing polka dots. 399 00:19:06,362 --> 00:19:08,016 I used to tell Lou and John all the time, 400 00:19:08,059 --> 00:19:10,279 "Why don't you get rid of that fucking light show?" 401 00:19:10,323 --> 00:19:11,846 And what was their response? 402 00:19:11,889 --> 00:19:12,934 They shrugged. 403 00:19:14,327 --> 00:19:15,937 That was their response to anything. 404 00:19:15,980 --> 00:19:17,460 If someone said that to me, I woulda shrugged too. 405 00:19:17,504 --> 00:19:20,637 Andy was inspirational in conveying to him 406 00:19:20,681 --> 00:19:22,204 the importance of work. 407 00:19:22,248 --> 00:19:24,380 And I think Lou would tell you this himself, 408 00:19:24,424 --> 00:19:27,470 I don't mean to put words in his mouth, but he would say, 409 00:19:27,514 --> 00:19:29,385 "How many songs did you write today, Lou?" 410 00:19:29,429 --> 00:19:30,517 And Lou would say, "Six." 411 00:19:31,996 --> 00:19:32,910 Andy would say, "Ooh, that's not enough. 412 00:19:32,954 --> 00:19:32,997 You have to work harder." 413 00:19:34,521 --> 00:19:36,000 It was difficult to prove your legitimacy. 414 00:19:36,044 --> 00:19:38,002 Everyone was a freak if you were associated with Andy Warhol. 415 00:19:38,046 --> 00:19:39,874 Unless you were Andy himself, 416 00:19:39,917 --> 00:19:42,920 then you were just considered some underground drug trash. 417 00:19:42,964 --> 00:19:46,750 Erase these bananas and whip dancers from your mind, 418 00:19:46,794 --> 00:19:48,404 and listen to songs 419 00:19:48,448 --> 00:19:51,364 from one of the greatest songwriters of all time. 420 00:19:54,541 --> 00:19:56,630 Then there was an ad inThe New York Times, 421 00:19:56,673 --> 00:20:00,851 "Expanding Teen Magazine seeks writer/editor. 422 00:20:00,895 --> 00:20:04,855 Young, hip, knowledge of pop scene, some experience." 423 00:20:04,899 --> 00:20:07,031 I thought he meant the pop art scene. 424 00:20:07,075 --> 00:20:10,339 So I wrote a letter to the box atThe Times. 425 00:20:10,383 --> 00:20:13,342 It was all about how I believed in great, beautiful people, 426 00:20:13,386 --> 00:20:14,778 and I loved kids. 427 00:20:14,822 --> 00:20:16,345 And also I dropped a lot of names like 428 00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:18,869 Andy Warhol and Edie Sedgwick, 429 00:20:18,913 --> 00:20:20,871 I thought that's what he meant. 430 00:20:20,915 --> 00:20:22,786 So I went in for an interview and 431 00:20:23,265 --> 00:20:25,224 I turned his head around, I guess. 432 00:20:25,572 --> 00:20:27,051 How did you feel once you were 433 00:20:27,095 --> 00:20:28,531 right in the middle of pop music? 434 00:20:28,575 --> 00:20:31,969 Hey! What? To go see a band, five cute boys at once? 435 00:20:32,013 --> 00:20:33,536 As Pat Hartley used to say, 436 00:20:33,580 --> 00:20:36,322 "You bet your fucking ass I'm a groupie!" 437 00:20:55,732 --> 00:20:58,605 So I thought, well, you know, "Hey, 438 00:20:58,648 --> 00:21:00,650 The Velvet Underground, my favorite band. 439 00:21:00,694 --> 00:21:03,087 I know all about it. What do you have to know?" 440 00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:04,393 Of course back then, 441 00:21:04,437 --> 00:21:06,265 you really didn't have to know very much. 442 00:21:06,308 --> 00:21:09,616 It was the year that everything wonderful was happening. 443 00:21:09,659 --> 00:21:11,879 It was '65, '66, which was 444 00:21:11,922 --> 00:21:14,925 The Doors' first album, the Mamas and Papas' first album, 445 00:21:14,969 --> 00:21:16,623 Aftermath from the Stones, 446 00:21:16,666 --> 00:21:18,494 I never liked the Beatles, 447 00:21:18,538 --> 00:21:20,540 but they had some album, and that was okay, Revolver. 448 00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:23,282 There was all these first albums, or watershed albums, 449 00:21:23,325 --> 00:21:26,110 that didn't sound like anything else in the world. 450 00:21:26,154 --> 00:21:28,287 You just knew this is the place to be! 451 00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:31,594 Everything that you get in the music business is, 452 00:21:31,638 --> 00:21:32,987 when you first get in, 453 00:21:33,030 --> 00:21:34,771 is just given to you by press agents. 454 00:21:34,815 --> 00:21:38,514 The first one I met was a woman named Connie DeNave. 455 00:21:38,558 --> 00:21:42,779 Her assistant took me to, guess where, Brooklyn! 456 00:21:42,823 --> 00:21:46,392 These three women came out in bright yellow dresses, 457 00:21:46,435 --> 00:21:48,394 and I went crazy. 458 00:21:48,437 --> 00:21:52,615 That was my first maybe rock 'n' roll-go-crazy moment, 459 00:21:52,659 --> 00:21:54,835 like, I lifted off my seat. 460 00:21:55,575 --> 00:21:58,447 ♪ Whenever I'm with him 461 00:21:58,491 --> 00:22:02,146 ♪ Something inside's 462 00:22:02,190 --> 00:22:04,018 ♪ Still burning 463 00:22:04,453 --> 00:22:07,848 ♪ And I'm filled with desire 464 00:22:08,501 --> 00:22:10,764 ♪ Could it be a devil in me 465 00:22:10,807 --> 00:22:13,593 ♪ Or is this the way love's supposed to be? ♪ 466 00:22:13,636 --> 00:22:15,682 ♪ It's like a heat wave 467 00:22:15,725 --> 00:22:18,337 ♪ Burning in my heart 468 00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:20,861 ♪ I can't keep from crying 469 00:22:20,904 --> 00:22:23,864 ♪ It's tearing me apart... 470 00:22:24,647 --> 00:22:27,650 I was earthquaked 471 00:22:27,694 --> 00:22:30,697 by Martha and the Vandellas. 472 00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:32,351 Boy, if that's what this is about, 473 00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:34,570 it's gonna be a fun business. 474 00:22:42,273 --> 00:22:45,973 The Rolling Stones were giving a press party 475 00:22:46,016 --> 00:22:49,280 in the form of a boat ride. I got there late. 476 00:22:49,324 --> 00:22:51,370 My photographer was the reason I was late 477 00:22:51,413 --> 00:22:54,895 'cause he arrived with no film and we missed the fucking boat! 478 00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:58,377 A limo pulled up and Gloria Stavers got out. 479 00:22:58,420 --> 00:23:00,117 She was my archrival then, 480 00:23:00,161 --> 00:23:02,381 she was like way number one in the field. 481 00:23:02,903 --> 00:23:04,861 This guy in a rowboat came up and said, 482 00:23:04,905 --> 00:23:07,037 "You two guys want a ride to that boat?" 483 00:23:07,081 --> 00:23:08,169 It'll be... 484 00:23:08,735 --> 00:23:10,127 $20. 485 00:23:10,171 --> 00:23:11,868 I said, "Gloria, you wanna go in it?" 486 00:23:11,912 --> 00:23:13,479 She said, "I wouldn't pay 20 cents 487 00:23:13,522 --> 00:23:15,394 for the fucking Rolling Stones," 488 00:23:15,437 --> 00:23:17,570 and got back in her car and drove away. 489 00:23:18,092 --> 00:23:19,136 The boat docked. 490 00:23:20,703 --> 00:23:22,357 A beautiful girl got off, carrying a camera. 491 00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:25,273 It was Linda Eastman, her photographs were so great. 492 00:23:25,752 --> 00:23:27,754 And we became best friends. 493 00:23:28,363 --> 00:23:30,278 She had this quality that... 494 00:23:31,061 --> 00:23:34,761 I find in... In Libra females. 495 00:23:34,804 --> 00:23:36,980 It's that men have a tendency to dance for them, 496 00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:38,591 to please them. 497 00:23:38,634 --> 00:23:40,680 She always had that quality, 498 00:23:40,723 --> 00:23:44,074 she took the best pictures of pretty people. 499 00:23:44,118 --> 00:23:46,860 And I wanted to write a lot about The Byrds. 500 00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:50,559 And Cass Elliot and The Velvet Underground. 501 00:23:50,603 --> 00:23:52,561 The publisher was very canny, 502 00:23:52,605 --> 00:23:56,217 and he investigated London literary agencies, 503 00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:58,001 and bought a bunch of interviews 504 00:23:58,045 --> 00:23:59,568 that Maureen Cleave, 505 00:23:59,612 --> 00:24:01,527 a journalist and a friend of The Beatles, 506 00:24:01,570 --> 00:24:03,920 had done in England. 507 00:24:03,964 --> 00:24:05,661 And they had 508 00:24:06,140 --> 00:24:07,837 Paul McCartney saying, 509 00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:10,840 "It's a lousy country where anyone black is a dirty nigger!" 510 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:13,147 Whoa, that was nice. 511 00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:14,322 And John Lennon said, 512 00:24:15,976 --> 00:24:17,064 "I don't know what'll go first, rock 'n' roll or Christianity!" 513 00:24:17,107 --> 00:24:18,761 "We're more popular than Jesus." 514 00:24:18,805 --> 00:24:20,589 And here I was with this magazine, 515 00:24:20,633 --> 00:24:23,200 I was competing with16, I didn't wanna do, 516 00:24:23,636 --> 00:24:27,248 you know, how nice is Herman to his family, 517 00:24:27,291 --> 00:24:31,339 or you know, something, or this secret of Paul Revere's 518 00:24:31,861 --> 00:24:33,602 you know, favorite color. 519 00:24:33,646 --> 00:24:35,909 I just wanna do something different! 520 00:24:35,952 --> 00:24:38,520 I said, "Well, let's just, hey, put it out. 521 00:24:38,999 --> 00:24:41,001 See what happens, maybe we'll get famous." 522 00:24:41,044 --> 00:24:42,089 Ha-ha. 523 00:24:42,132 --> 00:24:43,482 If I had said, "We're more... 524 00:24:44,352 --> 00:24:46,485 "Television is more popular than Jesus," 525 00:24:46,528 --> 00:24:47,877 I might've got away with it. 526 00:24:50,924 --> 00:24:52,316 I just happened to be talking to a friend, I used 527 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:53,579 the word "Beatles" 528 00:24:53,622 --> 00:24:55,624 as a remote thing, not as what I think, 529 00:24:55,668 --> 00:24:57,931 as Beatles as those other Beatles, 530 00:24:57,974 --> 00:24:59,541 like other people see us. 531 00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:03,980 I just said they are having more influence on kids and things 532 00:25:04,024 --> 00:25:05,982 than anything else, including Jesus. 533 00:25:06,026 --> 00:25:09,986 But I said it in that way, which is the wrong way. Yap-yap. 534 00:25:10,030 --> 00:25:12,946 The magazine came out on the eve of the Beatles tour, 535 00:25:13,424 --> 00:25:15,862 in the summer of 1966. 536 00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:21,041 Some proper little Christian teenager saw... 537 00:25:21,868 --> 00:25:24,479 this thing about Christianity, the word "Christ," 538 00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:29,615 whatever gets these people juicing or drooling, whatever. 539 00:25:29,658 --> 00:25:32,226 I just cannot understand 540 00:25:32,269 --> 00:25:34,358 why I have to share this country with them. 541 00:25:34,402 --> 00:25:38,667 - And she got all in a thing... - Socialist experiment? 542 00:25:38,711 --> 00:25:42,715 Twat steaming and ran to a disk jockey in... 543 00:25:43,367 --> 00:25:45,979 Don't you know, there's three States it could be? 544 00:25:46,022 --> 00:25:47,458 In Alabama. 545 00:25:47,502 --> 00:25:49,199 And he got outraged, 546 00:25:49,243 --> 00:25:52,159 and he went on the radio on his show and 547 00:25:52,202 --> 00:25:54,291 called attention to... 548 00:25:55,292 --> 00:25:57,556 this blasphemy 549 00:25:57,991 --> 00:26:00,559 on the part of the beloved Beatles because... 550 00:26:01,081 --> 00:26:05,128 Remember, guys didn't like them because they looked like 551 00:26:05,172 --> 00:26:07,783 girly-girly with that hair! 552 00:26:07,827 --> 00:26:09,698 If you, as an American teenager, 553 00:26:09,742 --> 00:26:13,136 are offended by statements from a group of foreign singers which 554 00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:15,399 strike at the very basis of our existence, 555 00:26:15,443 --> 00:26:17,445 as god-fearing, patriotic citizens, 556 00:26:17,793 --> 00:26:20,056 then we urge you to take your Beatles' records, 557 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,232 pictures and souvenirs, to the pick-up points 558 00:26:22,276 --> 00:26:23,886 about to be named, 559 00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:27,281 and on the night of the Beatles' appearance in Memphis, Aug 19th, 560 00:26:27,673 --> 00:26:28,761 they will be destroyed 561 00:26:30,501 --> 00:26:31,677 in a huge public bonfire at a place to be named soon. 562 00:26:33,243 --> 00:26:34,549 Stay tuned to WAQY for further developments. 563 00:26:36,203 --> 00:26:38,684 They were playing stadiums and giant things, 564 00:26:38,727 --> 00:26:40,729 it was 10 days in America, I think, 565 00:26:40,773 --> 00:26:42,731 and they flew into Memphis, 566 00:26:42,775 --> 00:26:46,909 and someone, as they say, looked out the window and said, 567 00:26:46,953 --> 00:26:48,824 "Wow, there's snow on the ground!" 568 00:26:49,303 --> 00:26:50,913 Wow, it's Memphis, you know, 569 00:26:50,957 --> 00:26:54,047 the beloved city of Elvis and Sun Studios. 570 00:26:54,090 --> 00:26:57,050 And they got closer, and someone said, 571 00:26:57,093 --> 00:26:59,661 "That's not snow! It's the KKK!" 572 00:26:59,705 --> 00:27:02,533 The Beatles made a statement in all the newspapers that 573 00:27:02,577 --> 00:27:06,015 they're getting more better than Jesus himself and 574 00:27:06,059 --> 00:27:08,583 the Ku Klux Klan, being a religious order, 575 00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:09,976 is gonna come out here, 576 00:27:10,019 --> 00:27:12,326 the night that they appear at the coliseum here, 577 00:27:13,153 --> 00:27:15,155 and we're gonna demonstrate with... 578 00:27:16,722 --> 00:27:20,464 different ways and tactics to stop this performance. 579 00:27:20,508 --> 00:27:23,206 We're known as a terror organization, I think we have... 580 00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:24,294 A terror organization? 581 00:27:24,338 --> 00:27:26,035 We have ways and means to stop this 582 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:27,863 if this is gonna be the case, yeah. 583 00:27:27,907 --> 00:27:29,517 What ways and means? 584 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,172 Oh, I don't wanna say this but there'll be a lot of surprises 585 00:27:32,215 --> 00:27:34,783 on Monday night, I believe, when they get here. 586 00:27:34,827 --> 00:27:36,655 What did I do... 587 00:27:37,394 --> 00:27:38,613 really? 588 00:27:40,441 --> 00:27:43,313 I didn't have to put Jesus Christ on the top of the page, 589 00:27:43,357 --> 00:27:45,098 and the word nigger on... 590 00:27:45,141 --> 00:27:46,969 When's the last time you saw the word nigger 591 00:27:47,013 --> 00:27:50,451 on the cover of a magazine for 11-year-olds? 592 00:27:50,494 --> 00:27:51,844 For anybody? 593 00:27:51,887 --> 00:27:54,629 Anybody! He's saying it like... 594 00:27:55,499 --> 00:27:57,676 that's bad to call someone a nigger. 595 00:27:58,372 --> 00:28:00,635 You know, what's wrong with that? 596 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:02,158 I didn't love them that much, 597 00:28:02,202 --> 00:28:04,595 but I certainly loved them more than Jesus. 598 00:28:05,248 --> 00:28:08,295 You know, I mean, they're more important to me 599 00:28:08,338 --> 00:28:11,515 than to Jesus, right? I mean than Jesus was. 600 00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,562 What did Jesus ever fucking do for me? 601 00:28:14,605 --> 00:28:16,433 If you think I did that to be... 602 00:28:18,087 --> 00:28:19,959 To cause them trouble. 603 00:28:20,568 --> 00:28:21,569 No. 604 00:28:22,048 --> 00:28:24,267 Only but in the sense that... 605 00:28:25,442 --> 00:28:26,922 it's about time... 606 00:28:27,749 --> 00:28:28,881 You know... 607 00:28:29,316 --> 00:28:32,145 Look at Lenny Bruce, it's about time 608 00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:36,715 more people got in trouble for saying the right things. 609 00:28:37,324 --> 00:28:39,065 Look what Dylan is doing. 610 00:28:39,108 --> 00:28:42,590 You know, it's all emerging now. 611 00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:45,071 I wanted to make some trouble, 612 00:28:45,549 --> 00:28:48,552 I didn't want them to have to live through a week of... 613 00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:50,380 death threats. 614 00:28:50,424 --> 00:28:53,557 I wouldn't want that for anyone! 615 00:28:53,601 --> 00:28:54,733 Mm, mm... 616 00:28:55,777 --> 00:28:56,778 Uh... 617 00:28:57,257 --> 00:28:59,128 I wouldn't want them to be killed. 618 00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:01,914 But I think some death threats would be... 619 00:29:03,959 --> 00:29:06,832 I can think of some people who could use some death threats. 620 00:29:06,875 --> 00:29:07,963 You know what the happy ending is, 621 00:29:09,704 --> 00:29:11,227 lightning hit the radio station, in Alabama and it fell down. 622 00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:14,578 Is that the ending to the story? 623 00:29:14,622 --> 00:29:15,841 That's true. Isn't that great? 624 00:29:17,538 --> 00:29:20,671 So anyhow, the real end is that many years later when I... 625 00:29:21,455 --> 00:29:23,065 for a while... 626 00:29:23,109 --> 00:29:24,806 was acquainted with Paul socially 627 00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:26,808 because he was married to my dear friend, 628 00:29:26,852 --> 00:29:29,289 Linda Eastman McCartney. 629 00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:31,770 And I said to him once, 630 00:29:32,335 --> 00:29:34,076 "You know, Paul, 631 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,514 remember with the magazine, with the "more popular..." 632 00:29:38,211 --> 00:29:39,299 "Yeah." 633 00:29:39,342 --> 00:29:40,779 I said, "That was me." 634 00:29:41,475 --> 00:29:43,129 And he said, "So you're the one." 635 00:29:43,172 --> 00:29:46,262 Because they really did never perform again. 636 00:29:46,306 --> 00:29:48,612 After that Sunday night at Candlestick Park... 637 00:29:48,656 --> 00:29:50,440 So you, Danny Fields, broke the Beatles up? 638 00:29:50,484 --> 00:29:52,747 - No, I didn't! - That's what you told me! 639 00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:53,792 No. 640 00:29:55,532 --> 00:29:57,230 Don't be backtracking now that we're on the air! 641 00:29:57,273 --> 00:30:00,102 Look, if you had to sell a candy bar in 20 words or less. 642 00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:02,061 I want to ask you if you think that prediction 643 00:30:02,104 --> 00:30:03,540 was accurate, by the way. 644 00:30:05,455 --> 00:30:06,805 I don't know what'll go first, rock 'n' roll or Christianity. 645 00:30:06,848 --> 00:30:08,502 Somehow I think it's rock 'n' roll. 646 00:30:14,987 --> 00:30:17,511 The first time I heard they had a cute lead singer was 647 00:30:17,554 --> 00:30:20,731 a friend of mine named Pat Hartley who was a movie actress, 648 00:30:20,775 --> 00:30:24,126 and she came screaming into Max's one night and said, 649 00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:26,737 "Ooh, there's the cutest lead singer of a new group 650 00:30:26,781 --> 00:30:28,130 playing at Ondines called The Doors," 651 00:30:28,174 --> 00:30:29,349 at which point I said, 652 00:30:31,133 --> 00:30:33,832 "Yee, I promised their person I would go in and look at them!" 653 00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:35,964 And there was this little small audience, 654 00:30:36,008 --> 00:30:38,227 and you could stand or sit or just mill around, 655 00:30:38,271 --> 00:30:41,317 and then there were maybe two dozen people paying attention. 656 00:30:41,361 --> 00:30:43,580 Steve Harris: I came from the Dick Clark era. 657 00:30:43,624 --> 00:30:46,757 If you saw somebody that was really attractive, 658 00:30:46,801 --> 00:30:47,758 Dick would play it. 659 00:30:49,151 --> 00:30:51,414 Jim Morrison, when I saw his picture, I said, 660 00:30:51,458 --> 00:30:53,286 "If he could read the phone book on key, 661 00:30:53,329 --> 00:30:54,983 you're gonna make millions." 662 00:30:55,027 --> 00:30:58,204 I met Danny when I went to see the group rehearsing. 663 00:30:58,247 --> 00:30:59,422 And I said, "I'm the New York 664 00:30:59,466 --> 00:31:00,902 press agent for The Doors." 665 00:31:00,946 --> 00:31:02,512 He said, "How wonderful, a press agent! 666 00:31:02,556 --> 00:31:03,949 We've never had a press agent connected... 667 00:31:03,992 --> 00:31:05,472 But who decided 668 00:31:05,515 --> 00:31:07,039 that you were the press agent for The Doors? 669 00:31:07,082 --> 00:31:08,214 I did! 670 00:31:09,824 --> 00:31:12,827 He kind of appeared to be a hippie yenta. 671 00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:16,004 I told Jac that I met somebody that knew everything, 672 00:31:16,048 --> 00:31:18,964 and could wind up, with his knowledge, 673 00:31:19,007 --> 00:31:22,010 going after specific types of acts. 674 00:31:22,054 --> 00:31:24,360 So I went up to Elektra and I said hi, 675 00:31:24,404 --> 00:31:26,058 and they said, "Oh, boy, are we happy 676 00:31:26,101 --> 00:31:28,364 to have a press agent, we've never seen one before!" 677 00:31:28,408 --> 00:31:30,497 And I said, "I'm glad to be of help. 678 00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:32,542 By the way, I must say that 679 00:31:32,586 --> 00:31:35,371 they were doing one very intriguing song last night." 680 00:31:35,415 --> 00:31:36,895 I said, "It was real catchy." 681 00:31:36,938 --> 00:31:38,200 So they played me the first single, 682 00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:40,855 which was "Break On Through", I said, "That's not it! 683 00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:42,161 Something about a fire." 684 00:31:51,083 --> 00:31:52,823 "Oh, 'Light My Fire', 685 00:31:52,867 --> 00:31:54,869 oh, that can't be a single, it's seven minutes long." 686 00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:57,219 And I said, "That's too big, can't you cut it down?" 687 00:31:57,263 --> 00:32:00,005 And they said, "You can't cut down a song, that's heretical. 688 00:32:00,048 --> 00:32:01,006 You can't do that." 689 00:32:02,616 --> 00:32:04,183 Finally, they figured out it could be cut down, 690 00:32:04,226 --> 00:32:05,401 and they remembered that I was the first person 691 00:32:05,445 --> 00:32:06,489 outside the company 692 00:32:08,013 --> 00:32:09,884 who suggested that they really try to cut it down. 693 00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:11,407 And, of course, with the release of that song, 694 00:32:11,451 --> 00:32:12,931 that became a different record company. 695 00:32:12,974 --> 00:32:14,541 Then they called me up from Elektra 696 00:32:14,584 --> 00:32:15,672 and asked to come and work for them 697 00:32:17,326 --> 00:32:18,327 as a full-time to create a publicity department. 698 00:32:19,763 --> 00:32:21,417 Danny was plugged in to another part of the scene, 699 00:32:21,461 --> 00:32:23,463 the part of the scene that was bubbling under. 700 00:32:23,506 --> 00:32:25,639 But also he stayed up later at night, 701 00:32:25,682 --> 00:32:27,597 and that was a big plus for us 702 00:32:27,641 --> 00:32:29,512 because then Elektra was on the street 703 00:32:29,991 --> 00:32:31,471 while I was asleep. 704 00:32:33,342 --> 00:32:36,128 We had great plans for him in our heads then because 705 00:32:36,171 --> 00:32:40,610 the buzz was starting to invent him as a major sex object. 706 00:32:40,654 --> 00:32:43,091 Gloria had seen pictures of him, 707 00:32:43,135 --> 00:32:46,225 was intrigued with his record and his photographs. 708 00:32:46,268 --> 00:32:49,445 This was my next thing, I was gonna go to California 709 00:32:49,489 --> 00:32:52,187 to set up a phone call between him and Gloria. 710 00:32:52,231 --> 00:32:55,582 This is how expense accounts worked in those days. 711 00:32:55,625 --> 00:32:58,106 I flew to California to set up a phone call. 712 00:32:58,150 --> 00:33:01,631 People in California, it was a joke then, but it was true, 713 00:33:01,675 --> 00:33:03,677 they would do one thing a day. 714 00:33:04,504 --> 00:33:07,855 And if you asked someone what they did, they would say... 715 00:33:08,595 --> 00:33:10,162 "I washed my hair today." 716 00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:15,167 Long pause, and that was it, and you would say, "Oh, I... 717 00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:16,472 You know... 718 00:33:16,516 --> 00:33:17,473 Made a salad. 719 00:33:18,909 --> 00:33:18,997 That wasn't because of drugs? 720 00:33:20,824 --> 00:33:23,175 No, I think they were all just winding down so fast 721 00:33:23,218 --> 00:33:25,829 and finding that... Everybody did this, 722 00:33:25,873 --> 00:33:28,789 then nobody would ask anybody to do anything more. 723 00:33:28,832 --> 00:33:31,444 And I saw them perform in San Francisco, it was very jolly. 724 00:33:31,487 --> 00:33:33,011 And I went backstage. 725 00:33:33,533 --> 00:33:35,274 I was horrified. 726 00:33:35,317 --> 00:33:38,364 It was like a sort of statue, just sitting there, 727 00:33:38,407 --> 00:33:41,715 and there were all these groupie things. 728 00:33:42,194 --> 00:33:43,934 Dirty girls. 729 00:33:43,978 --> 00:33:47,503 Just rags and dirt, and things falling off them, 730 00:33:47,547 --> 00:33:50,463 and too much eye make-up and a dopey, glazed look. 731 00:33:50,506 --> 00:33:53,509 I was concerned that this was bad for his image. 732 00:33:53,553 --> 00:33:55,424 What if a photographer got this? 733 00:33:55,468 --> 00:33:58,688 Gloria had told me that they're always supposed to be alone. 734 00:33:58,732 --> 00:34:00,473 Alone is sexy. 735 00:34:00,516 --> 00:34:02,736 You're never supposed to see them with a girl. 736 00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:04,912 I made him make the call to Gloria, 737 00:34:04,955 --> 00:34:07,349 she asked him her questions, I got on the phone with her, 738 00:34:07,393 --> 00:34:09,047 she said, "That was very interesting, I look forward 739 00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:10,396 to meeting this young man." 740 00:34:11,223 --> 00:34:14,095 And then, as we were about to leave, 741 00:34:14,139 --> 00:34:17,142 I had a little electric bulb in my head. 742 00:34:17,185 --> 00:34:20,493 And I said, "Say, Jim, I'm staying with a... 743 00:34:20,536 --> 00:34:24,192 an interesting chanteuse called Nico, up in the Hills." 744 00:34:24,236 --> 00:34:26,194 And I thought I would bring him up there, 745 00:34:26,238 --> 00:34:27,717 and then he would fall in love with Nico, 746 00:34:27,761 --> 00:34:29,545 and then he would see the error of his ways, 747 00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:32,374 in letting all these slimy, little groupies... 748 00:34:32,418 --> 00:34:34,376 And he would never settle for a woman 749 00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:37,727 less beautiful, or mystical or exotic than Nico. 750 00:34:37,771 --> 00:34:39,425 And since there weren't too many, 751 00:34:39,468 --> 00:34:41,383 then he would never have too many girlfriends, 752 00:34:41,427 --> 00:34:43,559 and my plot would be on its way. 753 00:34:57,007 --> 00:34:58,966 We finally got up to the house. 754 00:34:59,009 --> 00:35:03,275 And Nico was standing in the doorway. 755 00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:05,407 And he just looked at her, 756 00:35:05,451 --> 00:35:07,148 and she looked at him, and then they both 757 00:35:07,192 --> 00:35:09,455 cast their glances downward. 758 00:35:09,498 --> 00:35:11,848 They stared at some imaginary spot 759 00:35:11,892 --> 00:35:14,068 on the floor in between them. 760 00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:17,637 And I tried to start a little chatteroonie. 761 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,247 And I saw this was going nowhere, 762 00:35:19,291 --> 00:35:21,249 this was some kind of thing they were acting out. 763 00:35:21,293 --> 00:35:22,816 And I came back about an hour later, 764 00:35:22,859 --> 00:35:24,774 they were still in the exact same positions, 765 00:35:24,818 --> 00:35:26,124 they hadn't moved. 766 00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:27,255 And they hadn't said anything? 767 00:35:27,299 --> 00:35:28,300 They hadn't said anything. 768 00:35:29,692 --> 00:35:29,866 This is their way of acknowledging, 769 00:35:31,738 --> 00:35:33,783 "You're a beautiful, special, poetic person," I suppose... 770 00:35:33,827 --> 00:35:37,439 Edie was after... I had some pills with me, 771 00:35:37,483 --> 00:35:40,486 I always traveled with a little drug case then. 772 00:35:40,529 --> 00:35:41,791 I hid them... 773 00:35:43,228 --> 00:35:44,577 somewhere under a bed, under a mattress, 774 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:46,970 between two blankets and another mattress, 775 00:35:47,014 --> 00:35:49,451 and she got them. She found them, 776 00:35:49,495 --> 00:35:52,280 and she took about half of everything that was there. 777 00:35:52,324 --> 00:35:54,761 I don't know how she did, when she was in the room, 778 00:35:54,804 --> 00:35:56,502 but she did and she was magical. 779 00:35:56,937 --> 00:35:59,722 She was having an affair with Dino Valenti, he wrote, 780 00:35:59,766 --> 00:36:03,204 "Come on, everybody, 781 00:36:03,248 --> 00:36:05,206 shine on your brother, 782 00:36:05,772 --> 00:36:07,208 let's love one another..." 783 00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:09,993 And the evening wore by. and the day wore by, 784 00:36:10,037 --> 00:36:12,344 and he and I went up to the room, 785 00:36:12,387 --> 00:36:14,737 and we started smoking a lot of hash. 786 00:36:14,781 --> 00:36:17,740 I started making a major speech to him about 787 00:36:17,784 --> 00:36:21,222 "I have these things in mind for you 788 00:36:21,266 --> 00:36:24,486 and life is a roller-coaster and stardom is a trip and..." 789 00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:27,837 I didn't know what I was doing, I was just sounding like 790 00:36:27,881 --> 00:36:30,536 every movie I had ever seen 791 00:36:30,579 --> 00:36:33,321 about what's in store, and play the game. 792 00:36:33,365 --> 00:36:36,672 He would just open his palm about every five minutes, 793 00:36:36,716 --> 00:36:38,631 and asked for another drug. 794 00:36:38,674 --> 00:36:40,328 Incredible amount of hash. 795 00:36:40,372 --> 00:36:42,591 About six hits of orange sunshine. 796 00:36:43,244 --> 00:36:44,811 Nobody in those days 797 00:36:44,854 --> 00:36:47,379 got scared about taking too much? 798 00:36:47,422 --> 00:36:49,642 I was scared! I thought he was gonna die! 799 00:36:49,685 --> 00:36:50,817 I had never seen... 800 00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:51,905 This was like... 801 00:36:52,949 --> 00:36:53,907 Enough drugs for me and 802 00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:56,518 everybody I met in two weeks in California! 803 00:36:56,562 --> 00:36:57,215 But you kept giving it to him? 804 00:36:58,868 --> 00:37:00,435 I kept giving it to him, he wouldn't answer. 805 00:37:00,479 --> 00:37:01,871 And I would say, "What do you think about that 806 00:37:01,915 --> 00:37:03,786 flight of brilliance, Jim." 807 00:37:04,483 --> 00:37:06,224 "Got any more acid, man?" 808 00:37:07,442 --> 00:37:09,227 In the middle of the night, 809 00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:12,795 David Neuman came running into my room and said, 810 00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:15,450 "Oh, my God, you have to see what's happening!" 811 00:37:15,494 --> 00:37:17,496 She was in the courtyard. 812 00:37:18,105 --> 00:37:21,282 She was crying and screaming, and he was naked 813 00:37:21,326 --> 00:37:23,589 up on top of this house. 814 00:37:23,632 --> 00:37:28,594 And he was walking on it, like jumping over the gaps. 815 00:37:28,637 --> 00:37:30,248 Totally naked. 816 00:37:30,291 --> 00:37:32,293 Jesus, what if he falls off? 817 00:37:32,337 --> 00:37:36,210 Am I gonna lose my job? It's all I could think of. 818 00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:37,820 Who cared about him? 819 00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:40,258 She came flying into my room and threw herself 820 00:37:40,301 --> 00:37:41,911 on the bed and she was crying hysterically. 821 00:37:41,955 --> 00:37:44,262 I never found out what had happened, I mean, 822 00:37:44,305 --> 00:37:48,048 "He is so evil, oh, he is so evil." 823 00:37:48,091 --> 00:37:51,094 "Oh, Nico, calm down and go to bed, he's just stoned." 824 00:37:51,791 --> 00:37:55,751 I went to his car and I took the keys out of the ignition, 825 00:37:55,795 --> 00:37:57,797 and put them under the floor mat. 826 00:37:58,319 --> 00:38:00,060 The next morning dawned, 827 00:38:00,103 --> 00:38:02,323 and he said, "Give me my car keys!" 828 00:38:03,324 --> 00:38:06,327 And I said, "No, you're in no condition to drive." 829 00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:08,547 He was not smiling because 830 00:38:09,069 --> 00:38:13,639 it totally reversed everything that he stood for, 831 00:38:13,682 --> 00:38:15,510 and everything that he tried to project. 832 00:38:15,554 --> 00:38:18,296 Nico and Edie suggested we go over to 833 00:38:18,339 --> 00:38:21,603 some friend of theirs house who had a swimming pool. 834 00:38:21,647 --> 00:38:24,476 We got to this house, he didn't have a bathing suit. 835 00:38:24,867 --> 00:38:27,348 So I went through this pile of bathing suits and I said, 836 00:38:27,392 --> 00:38:29,829 "Here, Jim, this looks like it will fit you. Put this on 837 00:38:29,872 --> 00:38:31,613 and then we will go swimming." 838 00:38:31,657 --> 00:38:33,180 "Where's my car keys, man?" 839 00:38:33,223 --> 00:38:35,443 I said, "We'll find them later, put this on." 840 00:38:35,487 --> 00:38:38,141 That's when he took off his thing and he got naked, 841 00:38:38,185 --> 00:38:40,100 and I saw his cock, which was very big. 842 00:38:40,579 --> 00:38:41,971 What do you mean very big? 843 00:38:42,015 --> 00:38:42,885 It was long. 844 00:38:44,191 --> 00:38:45,061 It was like a salami, it was long. 845 00:38:45,105 --> 00:38:46,498 We all drove back to the house. 846 00:38:46,541 --> 00:38:49,327 We found that all the dining room chairs 847 00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:50,893 had been put on the table, 848 00:38:50,937 --> 00:38:52,982 and there was a still fromChelsea Girls, 849 00:38:53,026 --> 00:38:55,811 on the back of it, it said, "Jim, your ass is mud. 850 00:38:55,855 --> 00:38:58,640 Call us and get to rehearsal fast." 851 00:38:59,162 --> 00:39:02,165 I said, "Have you looked under the mat of your car? 852 00:39:02,209 --> 00:39:04,951 Perhaps you put the keys there, as so many people do." 853 00:39:05,647 --> 00:39:08,650 And he gave me a look like, "Oh, so that's where you hid them." 854 00:39:08,694 --> 00:39:10,696 And he got them and he drove away. 855 00:39:10,739 --> 00:39:12,480 And he hated me from that point on. 856 00:39:12,524 --> 00:39:15,440 He was constantly trying to get Jac Holzman to fire me. 857 00:39:15,483 --> 00:39:17,180 - Why? - From Elektra records. 858 00:39:17,224 --> 00:39:19,487 Well, cause I had kidnapped him. 859 00:39:19,531 --> 00:39:21,359 Jim got really pissed. 860 00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:23,230 And he called me, and he said, 861 00:39:23,273 --> 00:39:25,363 "Keep Danny Fields away from me! 862 00:39:25,406 --> 00:39:28,235 And I'm gonna call Jac now." 863 00:39:28,627 --> 00:39:31,847 The only person I knew who wasn't a big fan of Danny's 864 00:39:31,891 --> 00:39:32,979 was Jim Morrison. 865 00:39:34,459 --> 00:39:36,548 If you get to close to one of your artists personally 866 00:39:36,591 --> 00:39:38,201 that when you have to sit down and have 867 00:39:38,245 --> 00:39:40,160 a hard talk... 868 00:39:40,987 --> 00:39:42,075 it's tougher to do. 869 00:39:43,729 --> 00:39:45,252 But we needed someone to stay close to that group. 870 00:39:45,295 --> 00:39:46,427 And you felt Danny was too close? 871 00:39:46,471 --> 00:39:49,169 No, I have no idea. 872 00:39:49,691 --> 00:39:54,217 In his later days, he is said to have become nicer. 873 00:39:54,261 --> 00:39:56,916 However, when I went to visit 874 00:39:56,959 --> 00:39:59,309 his widow to give her my condolences, 875 00:39:59,353 --> 00:40:01,747 the lovely Pamela, who didn't live long after that. 876 00:40:01,790 --> 00:40:05,881 And the dog kept jumping on me, and she told me it was Jim, 877 00:40:05,925 --> 00:40:07,535 and I went... 878 00:40:07,579 --> 00:40:08,884 And he vomited on me. 879 00:40:10,799 --> 00:40:13,889 I swear to God it's the truth, I have witnesses. 880 00:40:14,281 --> 00:40:17,458 - He won't die. - The reincarnation. 881 00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:19,504 No, he doesn't need a reincarnation, 882 00:40:19,547 --> 00:40:22,724 he is incarnated at all times. 883 00:40:24,596 --> 00:40:26,206 This is a song that we... 884 00:40:26,249 --> 00:40:30,515 We first sang together in a hotel room in Newport. 885 00:40:30,558 --> 00:40:31,603 That's right. 886 00:40:32,125 --> 00:40:33,561 That's right, at the festival. 887 00:40:33,605 --> 00:40:34,780 - Yeah. - It was. 888 00:40:35,215 --> 00:40:37,043 - We sang it all night. - I know! 889 00:40:44,354 --> 00:40:48,446 ♪ Yes, I loved you in the morning ♪ 890 00:40:48,489 --> 00:40:52,754 ♪ Our kisses deep and warm... 891 00:40:52,798 --> 00:40:54,582 Danny was one of the people that just flipped out 892 00:40:54,626 --> 00:40:56,279 over Leonard Cohen's music. 893 00:40:56,323 --> 00:40:57,803 He just thought it was wonderful. 894 00:40:57,846 --> 00:40:59,935 And we all were at Newport learning, 895 00:40:59,979 --> 00:41:01,763 "Hey, That's No Way to Say Good-bye." 896 00:41:01,807 --> 00:41:03,417 And Danny was singing, 897 00:41:03,461 --> 00:41:06,594 and we were all, of course, drinking and carousing 898 00:41:06,638 --> 00:41:08,030 and having a great time. 899 00:41:08,074 --> 00:41:11,469 I decided to take acid, 'cause I was near the water 900 00:41:11,512 --> 00:41:14,950 and I always found that when I tried it in the city, 901 00:41:14,994 --> 00:41:18,780 I'd start hallucinating over an oil slick. 902 00:41:18,824 --> 00:41:20,739 "Whoa, those colors." 903 00:41:20,782 --> 00:41:24,003 So I thought, you know, nature is better. 904 00:41:24,046 --> 00:41:27,528 I didn't realize I would end up in the hotel room of... 905 00:41:28,224 --> 00:41:32,098 two super-human or extra-human, projective artists. 906 00:41:32,141 --> 00:41:37,451 And I'm on the floor, exploring E = MC2 over H. 907 00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:39,627 She looked over me and she said, 908 00:41:39,671 --> 00:41:42,369 "Oh, I have to show you the sunrise on the cliffs." 909 00:41:42,412 --> 00:41:46,634 Because, you know, she's a Taurus, she's the earth mother. 910 00:41:46,678 --> 00:41:47,679 And... 911 00:41:49,463 --> 00:41:51,596 She's there to respond to the needs of people who she's with. 912 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,119 And she took me out, 913 00:41:53,162 --> 00:41:55,469 they propped me up and put me in a car, 914 00:41:55,513 --> 00:41:56,949 and we drove out to the cliffs. 915 00:41:57,689 --> 00:41:59,429 And Leonard and I... 916 00:41:59,473 --> 00:42:02,563 just stood and laughed and talked about everything. 917 00:42:02,607 --> 00:42:04,696 Anybody who will take you for a walk 918 00:42:04,739 --> 00:42:06,567 by the ocean when you're on acid 919 00:42:06,611 --> 00:42:09,352 is saving probably both lives. 920 00:42:11,006 --> 00:42:12,660 He was part of the fabric 921 00:42:12,704 --> 00:42:14,532 of what was going on culturally in the city, 922 00:42:14,575 --> 00:42:15,663 not just music. 923 00:42:16,272 --> 00:42:18,884 But the cultural involvement of 924 00:42:19,362 --> 00:42:22,931 people who were against the war, and people who wanted to see 925 00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:26,631 a more loving culture and 926 00:42:26,674 --> 00:42:30,243 create different kinds of music and different kinds of events. 927 00:42:30,678 --> 00:42:34,813 I didn't hang out with the fast, druggy crowd. 928 00:42:34,856 --> 00:42:37,424 He really understood that I was not 929 00:42:37,903 --> 00:42:39,992 the real folksinger deal, 930 00:42:40,035 --> 00:42:44,126 I was something else that very few people really understood. 931 00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:47,173 I think that went a long way in his being able to really 932 00:42:47,216 --> 00:42:51,438 do things with my records, and with me as an artist, 933 00:42:51,830 --> 00:42:53,179 that were appropriate. 934 00:42:53,222 --> 00:42:55,703 And that took me to the edge and pushed me over, 935 00:42:55,747 --> 00:42:56,922 but not too far. 936 00:42:58,532 --> 00:43:00,055 What the company freak was supposed to be 937 00:43:00,099 --> 00:43:01,753 a liaison primarily 938 00:43:02,362 --> 00:43:05,452 between both the artists and the younger community, 939 00:43:05,495 --> 00:43:08,673 and the communications area, the writers and editors. 940 00:43:08,716 --> 00:43:10,413 Having not existed before, 941 00:43:10,457 --> 00:43:14,940 it's up to the person who takes it to invent it. 942 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,900 And then it becomes not a job but a role, 943 00:43:18,944 --> 00:43:21,947 as McLuhan defined a role, versus a job. 944 00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:24,297 A job is something which can be replaced by a machine. 945 00:43:25,124 --> 00:43:28,214 In the summer of 1966 in Los Angeles, 946 00:43:28,257 --> 00:43:30,869 I met the legendary Billy James, 947 00:43:30,912 --> 00:43:34,437 an executive at Elektra Records, Hollywood. 948 00:43:34,481 --> 00:43:36,439 He sat barefoot on his desk. 949 00:43:36,483 --> 00:43:38,920 He was the coolest guy of all. 950 00:43:38,964 --> 00:43:43,751 And so he became a role model, I guess still is. God bless him. 951 00:43:43,795 --> 00:43:45,231 Billy James: The world "freak" is defined 952 00:43:45,274 --> 00:43:48,321 in my OED as a sudden or causeless 953 00:43:48,974 --> 00:43:50,497 turn of the mind, 954 00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:55,633 or disposition of mind that is subject to such humors. 955 00:43:55,676 --> 00:43:58,113 I also thought of the jester, 956 00:43:58,157 --> 00:44:02,378 and then I thought of Mercury, I thought of the messenger. 957 00:44:02,422 --> 00:44:04,642 And then I thought of the Jungian archetype 958 00:44:04,685 --> 00:44:06,513 of the eternal boy. 959 00:44:06,556 --> 00:44:07,906 There is the... 960 00:44:09,255 --> 00:44:12,127 somehow different aspect to the freak. 961 00:44:12,171 --> 00:44:18,481 And it sometimes creates harmony among one's colleagues. 962 00:44:18,525 --> 00:44:22,529 And sometimes it creates discomfort. 963 00:44:23,051 --> 00:44:26,185 I thought there should be a drug album 964 00:44:26,228 --> 00:44:27,926 because, especially Elektra, 965 00:44:27,969 --> 00:44:29,710 they had all, when I was in college, 966 00:44:29,754 --> 00:44:32,670 they had recorded these lusty university songs. 967 00:44:33,192 --> 00:44:35,585 Beery, kinda drink, drink, drink. 968 00:44:35,629 --> 00:44:37,849 And Cook That Beer, or whatever you do to it. 969 00:44:37,892 --> 00:44:40,025 Why not have a smoking song? 970 00:44:40,068 --> 00:44:41,853 So how do you do it? 971 00:44:41,896 --> 00:44:44,856 And then I was in Washington Square and I saw David Peel. 972 00:44:50,296 --> 00:44:51,819 ♪ ["I Want To Get High" 973 00:44:51,863 --> 00:44:53,255 by David Peel & The Lower East Side plays] ♪ 974 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,699 David Peel: Okay, I met Danny Fields in 1968. 975 00:45:01,742 --> 00:45:05,180 He had a way with words that made you wanna become part of, 976 00:45:05,224 --> 00:45:06,921 whatever he was doing. 977 00:45:06,965 --> 00:45:08,401 He brought me to Max's Kansas City 978 00:45:08,444 --> 00:45:10,882 after the show, and he bought me a steak dinner. 979 00:45:10,925 --> 00:45:11,970 How could I say no 980 00:45:13,275 --> 00:45:13,711 to a steak dinner when I'm used to eating... 981 00:45:15,625 --> 00:45:17,453 pizza all my life on the streets? 982 00:45:17,932 --> 00:45:23,024 And I told Jac Holzman about it, and saw a big crowd... 983 00:45:23,068 --> 00:45:26,680 ♪ I like marijuana, You like marijuana... ♪ 984 00:45:26,724 --> 00:45:28,029 I said, "Well, there it is," and 985 00:45:28,073 --> 00:45:29,814 "Up against the wall, motherfuckers!" 986 00:45:29,857 --> 00:45:33,208 and Jac thought, "Well this is indeed avant-garde," 987 00:45:33,252 --> 00:45:35,254 and then looked around and said, "Hmm, 988 00:45:35,689 --> 00:45:39,345 light poles, hmm. We can do this, live!" 989 00:45:39,388 --> 00:45:41,913 We were allowed to plug into 990 00:45:41,956 --> 00:45:45,003 the outlet at the secret bottom of a lamp post in New York 991 00:45:45,046 --> 00:45:47,788 to power the Nagra tape recorder that we had out there. 992 00:45:47,832 --> 00:45:50,269 Some cop came up and said, "You can't do that." 993 00:45:50,312 --> 00:45:51,836 We showed him our fancy 994 00:45:51,879 --> 00:45:53,925 $600 order and that was it, and we recorded 995 00:45:53,968 --> 00:45:56,362 David Peel & the Lower East Side in one afternoon. 996 00:45:56,405 --> 00:45:58,625 In a way, the Have a Marijuanaalbum, 997 00:45:58,668 --> 00:46:00,758 was this to the establishment. 998 00:46:00,801 --> 00:46:03,761 And we had this gigantic marijuana leaf on the cover. 999 00:46:03,804 --> 00:46:07,765 William S. Harvey thought it was a terrible idea and... 1000 00:46:07,808 --> 00:46:10,811 We had a bet, he said it wasn't gonna sell 10,000, 1001 00:46:10,855 --> 00:46:13,335 and I said I think it'll sell way over 100,000. 1002 00:46:13,379 --> 00:46:15,337 And it sold probably 600,000. 1003 00:46:25,695 --> 00:46:27,785 In 1968, 1004 00:46:27,828 --> 00:46:31,440 I became a DJ at WFMU, 1005 00:46:31,484 --> 00:46:32,920 two nights a week, four hours a night. 1006 00:46:33,355 --> 00:46:36,445 This is Danny Fields, this is WFMU-FM, 1007 00:46:36,489 --> 00:46:38,926 freeform radio from East Orange, New Jersey. 1008 00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:41,581 Going backwards up the half-hour are the Beach Boys of course 1009 00:46:41,624 --> 00:46:43,104 and "Good Vibrations." 1010 00:46:43,626 --> 00:46:46,020 Pearls Before Swine, "I Shall Not Care." 1011 00:46:46,499 --> 00:46:49,110 Silver Apples, "Program," the Righteous Brothers... 1012 00:46:49,154 --> 00:46:50,633 "You've Lost That Loving Feeling." 1013 00:46:52,505 --> 00:46:53,898 Lot of us will be out at the Pavilion next Wednesday night 1014 00:46:53,941 --> 00:46:55,508 to see the MC5, 1015 00:46:55,551 --> 00:46:57,640 The Stooges and David Peel & the Lower East Side. 1016 00:46:57,684 --> 00:47:01,166 WFMU has been the first to play any of their records remember. 1017 00:47:01,209 --> 00:47:03,951 As we go into the next half-hour again with Otis Redding, Cream, 1018 00:47:03,995 --> 00:47:05,344 David Peel, Captain Beefheart, 1019 00:47:05,387 --> 00:47:07,215 The Byrds and The Rolling Stones. 1020 00:47:07,694 --> 00:47:10,131 Bob Rudnick was of our world. 1021 00:47:10,175 --> 00:47:12,960 He was brilliant and funny and Jewish and crazy and 1022 00:47:13,004 --> 00:47:17,182 he wrote an alternative column called "Kokaine Karma" with Ks 1023 00:47:17,225 --> 00:47:20,359 in theEast Village Other, with Dennis Frawley. 1024 00:47:20,402 --> 00:47:22,840 And they had a radio show on WFMU. 1025 00:47:22,883 --> 00:47:24,493 He taught me a great deal. 1026 00:47:24,537 --> 00:47:28,236 He steered me in directions of political activism 1027 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,978 that I thought were simply ludicrous, but if he liked them, 1028 00:47:31,022 --> 00:47:33,851 I knew they had a little style as well, and he was right! 1029 00:47:33,894 --> 00:47:35,287 The MC5, 1030 00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:37,158 they had fabulous clothes and physiques, 1031 00:47:37,202 --> 00:47:38,899 and they were all 6 foot 2. 1032 00:47:38,943 --> 00:47:41,815 They had amusing politics and great hair. 1033 00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:44,862 Here, I was coming from an Andy Warhol crowd in New York, 1034 00:47:44,905 --> 00:47:48,343 and we were the most effete people in the most effete city 1035 00:47:48,387 --> 00:47:49,910 in the most effete crowd. 1036 00:47:50,389 --> 00:47:51,999 And I was so effete. 1037 00:47:52,521 --> 00:47:55,046 I was just poised for... 1038 00:47:55,089 --> 00:47:57,309 Being slammed with something 1039 00:47:57,352 --> 00:48:00,790 that was full of blood and lust and sweat 1040 00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:03,141 and cum and smell and vigor, 1041 00:48:03,184 --> 00:48:04,882 and they had it. 1042 00:48:04,925 --> 00:48:06,709 Rob Tyner: Brothers and sisters! 1043 00:48:06,753 --> 00:48:09,930 The time has come for each and every one of you to decide 1044 00:48:09,974 --> 00:48:12,019 whether you are gonna be the problem, 1045 00:48:12,063 --> 00:48:14,195 or whether you are gonna be the solution! 1046 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,457 That's right! 1047 00:48:15,501 --> 00:48:17,285 It takes five seconds, 1048 00:48:17,329 --> 00:48:19,244 five seconds of decision, 1049 00:48:19,287 --> 00:48:23,074 five seconds to realize your purpose here on the planet. 1050 00:48:23,117 --> 00:48:26,251 It takes five seconds to realize that it's time to move! 1051 00:48:26,294 --> 00:48:28,253 It's time to get down with it! 1052 00:48:28,296 --> 00:48:31,473 Brothers, it's time to testify and I want to know, 1053 00:48:31,517 --> 00:48:33,649 are you ready to testify? 1054 00:48:33,693 --> 00:48:35,086 Are you ready? 1055 00:48:35,129 --> 00:48:38,959 I give you a testimonial, the MC5! 1056 00:49:06,813 --> 00:49:10,425 I saw them at the Detroit at the legendary Grande Ballroom. 1057 00:49:10,469 --> 00:49:12,079 It was great, everyone jumped up and down, 1058 00:49:12,123 --> 00:49:13,776 there were thousands of people there. 1059 00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:16,344 They had great costumes, they twirled, they jumped, 1060 00:49:16,388 --> 00:49:18,825 and they landed, and that very same weekend, 1061 00:49:18,868 --> 00:49:21,349 Wayne Kramer, who I always loved, 1062 00:49:21,393 --> 00:49:25,005 a great guitar player with the MC5 then said, 1063 00:49:25,049 --> 00:49:30,358 "If you liked us, you'll really like our little brother band, 1064 00:49:30,402 --> 00:49:31,664 The Stooges." 1065 00:50:05,219 --> 00:50:07,917 I heard the music coming from just down the hall, 1066 00:50:07,961 --> 00:50:10,181 and I got just transfixed. 1067 00:50:10,224 --> 00:50:13,271 And I've been listening to music my whole life, 1068 00:50:13,314 --> 00:50:16,535 and this is a new take on the word music. 1069 00:50:33,508 --> 00:50:36,076 The Stooges had left the stage, 1070 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,167 I got to the back of the room when this guy said, 1071 00:50:40,211 --> 00:50:44,302 "Hi, I'm Danny Fields, I work for Elektra Records. 1072 00:50:44,345 --> 00:50:45,651 You're a star." 1073 00:50:46,391 --> 00:50:48,741 I thought, "Oh, he's probably just... 1074 00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:53,615 wants to party or hang out or pick me up, or something." 1075 00:50:53,659 --> 00:50:54,921 You know, I... 1076 00:50:54,964 --> 00:50:56,575 I felt a little of that, 1077 00:50:56,618 --> 00:51:00,970 and then we talked to him for two minutes after, 1078 00:51:01,014 --> 00:51:04,844 and I knew, "No, this a real sharp guy." 1079 00:51:04,887 --> 00:51:06,628 We couldn't play "Johnny B. Goode." 1080 00:51:07,107 --> 00:51:09,892 He wasn't gonna look at the Ramones and think 1081 00:51:10,415 --> 00:51:12,504 that there was any problem because 1082 00:51:12,547 --> 00:51:14,854 they couldn't play "Johnny B. Goode" either! 1083 00:51:16,421 --> 00:51:19,946 They couldn't play it fucking either, you know? 1084 00:51:22,296 --> 00:51:25,908 I'll bet Metallica can't play it either, you know? 1085 00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:29,999 You know? So... 1086 00:51:30,522 --> 00:51:33,525 Whereas somebody else might want to address that issue, 1087 00:51:33,568 --> 00:51:35,179 he didn't see it that way. 1088 00:51:35,222 --> 00:51:37,398 And this was a guy who would look at something 1089 00:51:37,442 --> 00:51:40,967 that nobody else was really ready to see and he'd say, 1090 00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:43,578 "People could enjoy this, people should enjoy this. 1091 00:51:43,622 --> 00:51:45,232 This should be everywhere!" 1092 00:51:45,276 --> 00:51:48,931 Wayne Kramer: We were in the basement at Translove 1093 00:51:48,975 --> 00:51:50,585 where John had his office. 1094 00:51:50,629 --> 00:51:52,761 Danny got on the phone with Holzman. 1095 00:51:52,805 --> 00:51:54,894 John Sinclair: "I'm gonna tell him they oughta sign you guys." 1096 00:51:54,937 --> 00:51:56,156 I said, "Great, Danny!" 1097 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,333 "Hey, go get 'em, baby! 1098 00:51:59,377 --> 00:52:02,554 Tells them he saw the MC5, they were spectacular, 1099 00:52:02,597 --> 00:52:05,557 and then they had their little baby brother band with them, 1100 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,036 called The Stooges. 1101 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,474 And he says, "I think we ought to sign both of them." 1102 00:52:09,517 --> 00:52:14,131 He says 20 for the MC5, 5,000 for the Stooges. 1103 00:52:14,174 --> 00:52:17,656 And John said, "Yeah, that's sounds like a good deal to me." 1104 00:52:17,699 --> 00:52:20,441 "Okay, it's a deal, all right. okay, see you back in New York." 1105 00:52:20,485 --> 00:52:21,747 That was it, it was done, 1106 00:52:21,790 --> 00:52:23,749 all by Monday morning at 10 o'clock. 1107 00:52:23,792 --> 00:52:25,794 It was done. Here I got... 1108 00:52:26,317 --> 00:52:28,580 two of the greatest bands in the history of the world 1109 00:52:28,623 --> 00:52:29,537 with a phone call. 1110 00:52:31,191 --> 00:52:32,061 For the Stooges to get signed to a record contract 1111 00:52:32,105 --> 00:52:34,020 at a major label after about... 1112 00:52:34,803 --> 00:52:37,632 Oh, I don't know, not a year of existence... 1113 00:52:38,503 --> 00:52:41,070 Never really having a tune. 1114 00:52:41,593 --> 00:52:45,292 It was just unbelievable that this would happen, you know. 1115 00:52:45,336 --> 00:52:47,555 And I always thought, 25,000, 1116 00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:49,818 we could pay off all of our debts, 1117 00:52:49,862 --> 00:52:51,690 we could pay off our equipment. 1118 00:52:53,213 --> 00:52:55,781 And then everybody got a leather coat, you know? 1119 00:52:58,349 --> 00:52:59,567 Yeah! 1120 00:52:59,611 --> 00:53:01,308 Yeah, come together! 1121 00:53:01,352 --> 00:53:03,310 Come together! 1122 00:53:03,354 --> 00:53:05,356 Thank you, thank you. Come together. 1123 00:53:05,399 --> 00:53:07,488 Thank you kindly. 1124 00:53:07,532 --> 00:53:10,274 We hope you all did come together. 1125 00:53:11,666 --> 00:53:14,191 I wasn't cynical about him because he was too cool. 1126 00:53:14,234 --> 00:53:15,366 He wasn't... 1127 00:53:16,018 --> 00:53:19,935 obnoxious like most music business types. 1128 00:53:20,501 --> 00:53:25,071 I didn't know that there are powerful economic interests 1129 00:53:25,550 --> 00:53:29,467 that control how a band ends up in the newspaper, 1130 00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:31,338 or a band ends up on television. 1131 00:53:31,382 --> 00:53:33,166 Those were the kind of things that I wanted to learn 1132 00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:34,211 from Danny Fields. 1133 00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:36,561 Like all that publicity about The Doors, 1134 00:53:36,604 --> 00:53:37,214 "You made all that happen, huh?" 1135 00:53:37,692 --> 00:53:38,563 And he said, 1136 00:53:39,694 --> 00:53:41,218 "No, man, I didn't make that happen. 1137 00:53:41,261 --> 00:53:43,002 You know, they did that." 1138 00:53:45,004 --> 00:53:48,442 Which is of course, the brilliant publicist way 1139 00:53:48,486 --> 00:53:50,227 to answer that question. 1140 00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:51,315 He was from the underground, 1141 00:53:51,358 --> 00:53:54,361 the bohemian quarter, you know, 1142 00:53:54,405 --> 00:53:57,364 the arts and weirdness and drugs. 1143 00:53:57,408 --> 00:53:59,236 But I mean, he schooled me. 1144 00:53:59,279 --> 00:54:01,368 We really liked each other! 1145 00:54:01,412 --> 00:54:03,892 And he saw something in me that... 1146 00:54:03,936 --> 00:54:07,244 I was this raw intellectual from Detroit, 1147 00:54:07,287 --> 00:54:09,898 who wanted to do some sensational shit. 1148 00:54:09,942 --> 00:54:11,378 I just saw him as a guy 1149 00:54:11,422 --> 00:54:13,902 who knew everybody and knew how this shit worked. 1150 00:54:13,946 --> 00:54:17,602 Our idea was to take over the world, you know, so... 1151 00:54:20,082 --> 00:54:20,953 First, starting with the music business. 1152 00:54:22,128 --> 00:54:23,434 Totally out of our way. 1153 00:54:23,999 --> 00:54:25,740 White Panther program is 1154 00:54:25,784 --> 00:54:29,091 cultural revolution by any means necessary, 1155 00:54:29,135 --> 00:54:32,138 including rock 'n' roll, dope and fucking in the streets. 1156 00:54:32,573 --> 00:54:35,576 People were wary then, it was getting serious. 1157 00:54:35,620 --> 00:54:37,099 There was a moratorium, 1158 00:54:37,143 --> 00:54:38,753 and the marches were getting more serious. 1159 00:54:38,797 --> 00:54:40,451 The country was getting more divided. 1160 00:54:40,494 --> 00:54:44,237 It was now getting out of hand, you could see it in Chicago. 1161 00:54:44,281 --> 00:54:47,893 And the MC5 called their parent organization 1162 00:54:47,936 --> 00:54:49,503 the "White Panther Party." 1163 00:54:49,547 --> 00:54:51,375 They had a minister of defense, 1164 00:54:51,418 --> 00:54:53,202 I don't know many rock 'n' roll bands that had 1165 00:54:53,246 --> 00:54:55,161 a minister of defense. 1166 00:54:55,204 --> 00:54:58,773 People carried machine guns around the house! 1167 00:54:59,296 --> 00:55:02,168 ♪ Kick out the jams, motherfuckers ♪ 1168 00:55:11,395 --> 00:55:13,484 Jac Holzman suckered us 1169 00:55:14,311 --> 00:55:17,836 into putting "motherfucker" on the record. 1170 00:55:18,706 --> 00:55:20,795 He urged us to do that. 1171 00:55:20,839 --> 00:55:23,755 Of course, we've got a single version, 1172 00:55:23,798 --> 00:55:26,453 ♪ Kick out the jams, brothers and sisters ♪ 1173 00:55:26,497 --> 00:55:29,326 "No, man, come on, nobody'll give a shit!" 1174 00:55:29,369 --> 00:55:31,284 And I said, "They're not gonna like this, 1175 00:55:31,328 --> 00:55:32,633 we're out here in Detroit. 1176 00:55:32,677 --> 00:55:34,243 I know they aren't gonna like it." 1177 00:55:34,287 --> 00:55:36,507 They don't like it now when it just comes out on the stage. 1178 00:55:36,550 --> 00:55:38,509 They're really aren't gonna like it in vinyl. 1179 00:55:38,552 --> 00:55:40,685 They put out the David Peel album. 1180 00:55:41,381 --> 00:55:44,123 ♪ Have a marijuana, motherfucker ♪ 1181 00:55:44,166 --> 00:55:46,604 "Great, if they don't have any problem with his 'motherfucker,' 1182 00:55:46,647 --> 00:55:47,822 they're not gonna have any trouble 1183 00:55:47,866 --> 00:55:49,476 with our 'motherfucker'." We told them, 1184 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,610 "Let the single go up the charts "before you release the album." 1185 00:55:52,653 --> 00:55:54,829 'Cause the album's gonna have the real version of 1186 00:55:54,873 --> 00:55:56,570 "Kick out the jams, motherfuckers" on it, 1187 00:55:56,614 --> 00:55:58,790 but, see, they won't be able to stop us then 1188 00:55:58,833 --> 00:56:00,748 'cause we'll have a hit record! 1189 00:56:00,792 --> 00:56:02,402 The minute the single started going up, 1190 00:56:02,446 --> 00:56:04,273 they rushed the album out. 1191 00:56:04,317 --> 00:56:07,233 Kids were arrested in record stores for selling the album, 1192 00:56:07,625 --> 00:56:09,888 and parents are freaked out. 1193 00:56:09,931 --> 00:56:11,672 Then Jac Holzman says, 1194 00:56:11,716 --> 00:56:13,674 "Is it okay if we put out a clean version 1195 00:56:13,718 --> 00:56:15,372 'cause we're losing money." 1196 00:56:15,415 --> 00:56:18,331 We had problems with a chain called Hudson's. 1197 00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:20,855 And then the MC5 took out an ad 1198 00:56:20,899 --> 00:56:24,076 in the local Detroit alternative newspaper, 1199 00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:26,513 which said, "Fuck Hudson's!" 1200 00:56:26,557 --> 00:56:28,515 And stuck the Elektra logo on it. 1201 00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:30,648 Everything that was an Elektra product, 1202 00:56:30,691 --> 00:56:33,825 including Bach and Mozart, came back. 1203 00:56:33,868 --> 00:56:34,913 We said, "You can't do that." 1204 00:56:36,567 --> 00:56:37,785 They said, "Jac, we thought you were part of our revolution." 1205 00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:39,483 I said, "No, I'm interested in documenting 1206 00:56:39,526 --> 00:56:41,876 what you do with music in the context of that." 1207 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,704 And they said, "We're not comfortable." 1208 00:56:43,748 --> 00:56:45,358 I said, "Well, fine." 1209 00:56:45,402 --> 00:56:48,405 The MC5 should have been Grand Funk Railroad. 1210 00:56:48,448 --> 00:56:51,190 They should have been the big, fast-moving, 1211 00:56:51,233 --> 00:56:53,410 hard-rocking, rabble-rousing, 1212 00:56:53,453 --> 00:56:57,588 mid-western band that Grand Funk Railroad became. 1213 00:56:57,631 --> 00:56:59,894 When you're on the front pages of the paper, 1214 00:56:59,938 --> 00:57:02,462 you can be making the best music in the world, 1215 00:57:02,506 --> 00:57:04,943 but no one will pay attention to you for that, 1216 00:57:04,986 --> 00:57:07,119 they just wanna know how much you vomited, 1217 00:57:07,162 --> 00:57:11,123 and what dirty words you used and what trouble you made. 1218 00:57:12,472 --> 00:57:16,128 People like Danny are not even producers. 1219 00:57:16,171 --> 00:57:20,262 I mean there's not a quantity of work that is measurable 1220 00:57:20,306 --> 00:57:21,612 that comes out of them every day. 1221 00:57:21,655 --> 00:57:25,398 They're here for the hallelujah moment. 1222 00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:27,269 Danny jumped up and down and said, 1223 00:57:27,313 --> 00:57:29,968 "You've gotta sign this band, you've gotta sign this band." 1224 00:57:30,011 --> 00:57:31,752 And we saw nothing, 1225 00:57:31,796 --> 00:57:34,799 it was one of these things that's a... 1226 00:57:36,409 --> 00:57:37,758 It's a prayer. 1227 00:57:38,324 --> 00:57:40,282 The Stooges were 1228 00:57:40,326 --> 00:57:43,111 difficult in that they did not have songs written 1229 00:57:43,155 --> 00:57:44,591 and Iggy was strung out. 1230 00:57:44,635 --> 00:57:47,289 Danny screamed, "How come you don't have any songs? 1231 00:57:47,333 --> 00:57:49,596 "Go to the hotel tonight and write songs!" 1232 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,077 So "I Wanna Be Your Dog", "1969", 1233 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,602 all that came out of one night's production. 1234 00:57:56,037 --> 00:57:57,691 John Cale: Cool Song, take one. 1235 00:57:58,431 --> 00:58:02,043 John Cale was a very talented musician, 1236 00:58:02,087 --> 00:58:03,958 and I thought the juxtaposition 1237 00:58:04,002 --> 00:58:08,485 of a really experienced musician in the studio with them 1238 00:58:08,528 --> 00:58:10,878 would either agitate them or inform them. 1239 00:58:11,575 --> 00:58:13,620 They got along pretty well. 1240 00:58:13,664 --> 00:58:16,536 And then the problems with Bill Harvey started. 1241 00:58:16,580 --> 00:58:19,191 He heard this, and he said, "Are you gonna put that out?" 1242 00:58:19,234 --> 00:58:20,235 And I said, 1243 00:58:21,933 --> 00:58:22,803 "I don't quite understand it, but it's interesting." 1244 00:58:22,847 --> 00:58:23,761 And he said, 1245 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,067 "Well, you put that out, you're gonna ruin your label." 1246 00:58:27,112 --> 00:58:28,809 And I said, "I don't think so." 1247 00:58:28,853 --> 00:58:31,812 People who had to say something about them say, 1248 00:58:31,856 --> 00:58:33,031 "This is not music." 1249 00:58:34,685 --> 00:58:36,034 It's the same thing they said of rock 'n' roll! 1250 00:58:36,077 --> 00:58:37,905 To say that was the worst thing you could say. 1251 00:58:37,949 --> 00:58:40,647 Doesn't deserve to be called music. 1252 00:58:40,691 --> 00:58:43,520 You know, I'm sure Wagner heard that and 1253 00:58:43,998 --> 00:58:46,958 anybody who did something fabulously different. 1254 00:58:47,001 --> 00:58:48,655 Lenny Kaye: "If 1967 1255 00:58:48,699 --> 00:58:51,397 was the year of The Beatles and 'Get Together' 1256 00:58:51,832 --> 00:58:56,358 If 1968 was the year of The Band andBeggars Banquet 1257 00:58:56,881 --> 00:59:00,885 then 1969 might well be the year of The Stooges. 1258 00:59:01,799 --> 00:59:03,583 You might not like it, 1259 00:59:03,627 --> 00:59:05,367 but you can't escape it." 1260 00:59:06,586 --> 00:59:10,198 Lenny Kaye, August 10th, 1969. 1261 00:59:11,896 --> 00:59:16,248 Obviously written two minutes before I went up to Woodstock. 1262 00:59:19,077 --> 00:59:21,775 If you were on the fringe, and trying to understand who you are 1263 00:59:21,819 --> 00:59:24,996 and you heard this bleat of sound. 1264 00:59:25,605 --> 00:59:28,434 To me, these bands are a lot about yearning. 1265 00:59:28,477 --> 00:59:30,915 They're about finding their place in the world, 1266 00:59:30,958 --> 00:59:32,481 finding your place in the world. 1267 00:59:32,525 --> 00:59:34,745 You listen to The Stooges, "I Wanna Be Your Dog", and you 1268 00:59:34,788 --> 00:59:37,051 can get those three chords in a second, 1269 00:59:37,095 --> 00:59:38,531 and then all you gotta do is 1270 00:59:38,575 --> 00:59:40,533 just keep turning the amplifier up, 1271 00:59:40,577 --> 00:59:41,969 turning it up. 1272 00:59:42,013 --> 00:59:46,626 It was a beautiful explosion of noise. 1273 00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:50,804 And the fact that Danny was behind both of these bands, 1274 00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:54,025 is, to me, a thing of wonder. 1275 00:59:54,068 --> 00:59:57,594 It's like someone who talks you into buying 1276 00:59:57,637 --> 01:00:00,727 a painting that you don't get, an impressionistic painting. 1277 01:00:00,771 --> 01:00:02,163 You just don't get it at all. 1278 01:00:02,642 --> 01:00:05,558 And later you find it has achieved 1279 01:00:05,602 --> 01:00:09,736 notoriety and value that you never would have imagined. 1280 01:00:09,780 --> 01:00:11,564 When you're starting out in show biz, 1281 01:00:12,130 --> 01:00:14,262 part of what you do to figure out 1282 01:00:14,306 --> 01:00:16,787 who you are and how you can operate is... 1283 01:00:17,309 --> 01:00:18,919 You put yourself somewhere where 1284 01:00:18,963 --> 01:00:21,879 people who know more than you can react to you. 1285 01:00:21,922 --> 01:00:24,098 He had an interesting spread 1286 01:00:24,664 --> 01:00:27,624 between the world of teen vacuity 1287 01:00:27,667 --> 01:00:33,542 way over to your very hard-core social deviants. 1288 01:01:16,716 --> 01:01:19,937 He was on location with us in the Tropicana Motel 1289 01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:21,721 in Los Angeles. 1290 01:01:22,243 --> 01:01:24,681 There were The Stooges making Fun House... 1291 01:01:28,293 --> 01:01:29,816 Andy Warhol, 1292 01:01:29,860 --> 01:01:33,167 Paul Morrissey, Joe Dallesandro, Jane Forth, 1293 01:01:33,211 --> 01:01:35,735 and the entire cast ofHeat. 1294 01:01:35,779 --> 01:01:37,650 Danny gave me something that... 1295 01:01:38,738 --> 01:01:42,133 I don't know if he was the first one to ever give me this but 1296 01:01:42,176 --> 01:01:45,179 he let me try something called cocaine. 1297 01:01:47,704 --> 01:01:50,968 And I tried it and I thought, "I don't feel anything!" 1298 01:01:53,797 --> 01:01:56,625 And then three days later, I found myself... 1299 01:01:57,757 --> 01:02:02,893 crawling in through his bathroom window at the back of the motel, 1300 01:02:03,458 --> 01:02:08,463 taking all of his stash, you know. 1301 01:02:09,116 --> 01:02:11,902 And that was the sort of buddy I was. 1302 01:02:11,945 --> 01:02:15,340 I was a very bad, bad buddy. 1303 01:02:15,383 --> 01:02:18,430 Look, we did so many terrible things 1304 01:02:18,473 --> 01:02:21,563 to blacken Danny's reputation, 1305 01:02:21,607 --> 01:02:24,653 and just destroy his faith in us. 1306 01:02:24,697 --> 01:02:27,395 And we would show up 1307 01:02:27,439 --> 01:02:29,789 very, very late for gigs, or not at all. 1308 01:02:29,833 --> 01:02:32,183 Or once we were... 1309 01:02:32,226 --> 01:02:35,142 The band was playing the intro riff, 1310 01:02:35,186 --> 01:02:38,624 and I was having sex on the bathroom floor 1311 01:02:38,667 --> 01:02:41,888 of the men's room with a groupie. 1312 01:02:43,063 --> 01:02:44,499 "Wait, I'll be right there! 1313 01:02:44,543 --> 01:02:45,892 Tell them to just keep playing there!" 1314 01:02:47,024 --> 01:02:49,635 And on and on and on. 1315 01:02:49,678 --> 01:02:54,945 And then there were times when I was shooting up. 1316 01:02:55,554 --> 01:02:56,773 And... 1317 01:02:58,209 --> 01:03:00,864 not fun to talk about it anymore, 1318 01:03:00,907 --> 01:03:05,042 but, yeah, that happened and there he was... 1319 01:03:06,478 --> 01:03:08,654 trying to get somewhere in his life. 1320 01:03:09,916 --> 01:03:13,311 Yeah, I got... I finally scored my methadone. 1321 01:03:13,354 --> 01:03:15,792 - Yeah. - It's not a thing that 1322 01:03:15,835 --> 01:03:17,924 you're supposed to have all the time. 1323 01:03:17,968 --> 01:03:19,230 I thought that he would expect 1324 01:03:19,273 --> 01:03:20,797 you to just keep taking that? 1325 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,189 No, it's... You know... 1326 01:03:23,974 --> 01:03:25,627 It's pretty easy to kick with methadone, it really is. 1327 01:03:25,671 --> 01:03:28,805 I've kicked three fucking times with it but every time... 1328 01:03:29,631 --> 01:03:31,111 started again. 1329 01:03:31,155 --> 01:03:32,852 Why do you start again? 1330 01:03:32,896 --> 01:03:36,769 I don't know, I couldn't even answer that. 1331 01:03:38,162 --> 01:03:40,381 They were fucking up, I didn't know what to do. 1332 01:03:40,425 --> 01:03:43,994 It was not something I was equipped to deal with. 1333 01:03:44,908 --> 01:03:46,039 There's no... 1334 01:03:46,083 --> 01:03:47,345 You cannot... 1335 01:03:48,781 --> 01:03:52,306 cope with heroin use in someone you're working with, 1336 01:03:52,350 --> 01:03:54,918 or as a partner, or you're dependent on. 1337 01:03:55,483 --> 01:03:57,485 That's the worst drug in the world. 1338 01:03:57,877 --> 01:03:59,531 And if it's someone you love, 1339 01:04:00,097 --> 01:04:03,143 it's tragic, but you're helpless, 1340 01:04:03,187 --> 01:04:07,060 and everything is gonna self-destruct. 1341 01:04:08,757 --> 01:04:09,846 Boy... 1342 01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:18,855 I think when I said enough was when The Stooges rented a truck 1343 01:04:18,898 --> 01:04:22,075 and they went under one of those highway overpasses where it says 1344 01:04:23,207 --> 01:04:26,471 "If you're over 12 feet tall, don't come under this thing" 1345 01:04:27,515 --> 01:04:31,693 And they destroyed the truck. 1346 01:04:31,737 --> 01:04:34,348 The top was shaved off. 1347 01:04:34,392 --> 01:04:36,220 They destroyed everything in it, 1348 01:04:36,263 --> 01:04:39,179 all the instruments and stuff which they were liable for. 1349 01:04:39,223 --> 01:04:40,964 They destroyed the overpass! 1350 01:04:41,007 --> 01:04:44,706 So when I got a bill from the city of Ann Arbor 1351 01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:48,536 for whatever it costs to repair a concrete highway bridge, 1352 01:04:48,580 --> 01:04:49,886 that was enough. 1353 01:04:50,669 --> 01:04:53,890 So no, no, no, this is a sign. 1354 01:04:55,935 --> 01:04:59,896 I'm so proud of the way 1355 01:05:00,374 --> 01:05:04,074 that Scott Asheton, our drummer, 1356 01:05:04,117 --> 01:05:07,251 drove the 12-foot U-Haul 1357 01:05:07,816 --> 01:05:11,081 under the 10.5 foot underpass. 1358 01:05:11,603 --> 01:05:16,956 The top of that U-haul literally peeled back 1359 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,133 exactly like Popeye's can of spinach. 1360 01:05:20,742 --> 01:05:22,048 Gladly handed 1361 01:05:22,092 --> 01:05:24,572 Iggy and his music and his dancing 1362 01:05:24,616 --> 01:05:27,358 and his band and his antics and his bills 1363 01:05:27,401 --> 01:05:28,837 to David Bowie. 1364 01:05:28,881 --> 01:05:33,233 I'm happy to do it, he didn't keep me on board. 1365 01:05:33,277 --> 01:05:35,453 I got out when the going got tough. 1366 01:05:36,062 --> 01:05:37,934 Otherwise I could have said, 1367 01:05:37,977 --> 01:05:41,111 "I'm giving up everything in my life, and..." 1368 01:05:41,154 --> 01:05:43,461 I have to pee, I have to... 1369 01:05:43,896 --> 01:05:46,464 "...giving up everything in my life for Iggy 1370 01:05:46,507 --> 01:05:48,901 and sweeping everything aside, 1371 01:05:48,945 --> 01:05:51,121 and I'll move into a cheaper apartment and 1372 01:05:51,164 --> 01:05:52,992 get a different lifestyle, 1373 01:05:53,036 --> 01:05:55,125 and stop using drugs 'cause they're expensive and... 1374 01:05:55,603 --> 01:05:58,389 It'll all be for Iggy." Well, I didn't. 1375 01:06:00,478 --> 01:06:02,088 I don't know if I could have! 1376 01:06:02,132 --> 01:06:05,004 I was staying in Danny's house, 1377 01:06:05,048 --> 01:06:09,008 and he had gone out to Max's, and he started calling me. 1378 01:06:09,052 --> 01:06:10,792 "You really should get down here, 1379 01:06:10,836 --> 01:06:13,186 David Bowie is down here and... 1380 01:06:13,708 --> 01:06:16,973 You could do yourself some good, he wants to meet you." 1381 01:06:17,843 --> 01:06:20,846 And I was watching Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, 1382 01:06:20,889 --> 01:06:23,457 repeatedly on the verge of tears 1383 01:06:23,501 --> 01:06:28,114 as I saw Mr. Smith confronted by the foul corruption 1384 01:06:28,158 --> 01:06:30,987 of the status quo and the people in charge. 1385 01:06:31,030 --> 01:06:32,466 But finally I thought... 1386 01:06:33,076 --> 01:06:34,468 "Okay." 1387 01:06:34,512 --> 01:06:36,122 They started talking 1388 01:06:36,166 --> 01:06:37,950 so fast about... 1389 01:06:38,342 --> 01:06:41,910 "One thing I hate most in the world, music." 1390 01:06:41,954 --> 01:06:42,999 And... 1391 01:06:43,738 --> 01:06:46,002 I was so glad to just say... 1392 01:06:47,046 --> 01:06:52,138 They hit it off such big time because they're both so smart. 1393 01:06:58,536 --> 01:06:59,972 - Hello. - Hi. 1394 01:07:00,451 --> 01:07:02,192 - Who's this? - Danny. 1395 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,673 - Oh, Danny! - Yes, hello. 1396 01:07:05,717 --> 01:07:08,024 Hi, are you at the Tropicana? 1397 01:07:08,067 --> 01:07:10,896 Yes, I am. Who's working for you? 1398 01:07:10,939 --> 01:07:14,247 Warner Brothers, but they aren't very bright. 1399 01:07:14,291 --> 01:07:17,163 No, I'll see, we should be able to get you something. 1400 01:07:17,207 --> 01:07:19,252 Yes. I need to work. 1401 01:07:19,296 --> 01:07:20,906 Yes, I want you to work. 1402 01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:23,865 - How's the weather? - Beautiful. 1403 01:07:23,909 --> 01:07:25,345 - Yes? - Yes, it is. 1404 01:07:25,389 --> 01:07:27,391 How's the weather there? It's cold, huh? 1405 01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:30,568 - Hmm, a little. - Yeah. 1406 01:07:34,093 --> 01:07:35,573 Okay, I'll talk to you later, darling, okay? 1407 01:07:35,616 --> 01:07:36,748 - Yes. - Give my love to Paul. 1408 01:07:37,227 --> 01:07:38,184 Okay. 1409 01:07:39,577 --> 01:07:40,839 Call me here if anything comes up. 1410 01:07:40,882 --> 01:07:42,275 I'll see what I can do out here and 1411 01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:43,711 I'll call you back to let you know, okay? 1412 01:07:43,755 --> 01:07:45,713 - Yes, please. - Okay, for sure, I will. 1413 01:07:46,279 --> 01:07:48,368 - Okay. - Okay, baby, be good. 1414 01:07:48,412 --> 01:07:50,066 You too, bye-bye. 1415 01:08:06,995 --> 01:08:10,912 Danny was close to the entire Andy Warhol crowd. 1416 01:08:10,956 --> 01:08:14,090 And one day he brought Nico in, and I knew who Nico was. 1417 01:08:15,091 --> 01:08:16,962 And she brought in her little harmonium, 1418 01:08:17,005 --> 01:08:18,703 and she sat and she played. 1419 01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:23,403 ♪ Lord of lunacy 1420 01:08:23,447 --> 01:08:26,450 ♪ In the moon of the frozen beyond... ♪ 1421 01:08:28,974 --> 01:08:33,674 And as usual, he sat there when I'd bring up an artist and... 1422 01:08:34,284 --> 01:08:37,417 "Like, well, I guess so!" 1423 01:08:38,201 --> 01:08:39,724 You know, here comes... 1424 01:08:39,767 --> 01:08:43,119 Get me John Cale on the phone once again. 1425 01:08:43,162 --> 01:08:45,947 Was it off the wall? Unbelievably so. 1426 01:08:45,991 --> 01:08:47,123 But so what? 1427 01:08:48,733 --> 01:08:50,474 It's not gonna be an expensive record to make 1428 01:08:50,517 --> 01:08:53,129 and she's an interesting artist, and let just see what happens. 1429 01:08:53,172 --> 01:08:55,043 And she sat... 1430 01:08:55,087 --> 01:08:59,004 And read books of poetry looking for a title. 1431 01:08:59,309 --> 01:09:00,962 And she found it in Wordsworth, 1432 01:09:01,006 --> 01:09:04,183 "The marble index of the mind gone..." 1433 01:09:04,227 --> 01:09:07,491 something or other. And she liked that phrase. 1434 01:09:07,534 --> 01:09:10,189 She was... a poet. 1435 01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:14,541 Danny was having continual problems with Bill Harvey, 1436 01:09:14,585 --> 01:09:17,457 and Bill Harvey came to me one day and he said, 1437 01:09:17,501 --> 01:09:19,198 "Either Danny goes or I go." 1438 01:09:19,242 --> 01:09:21,461 He called me into his office, 1439 01:09:21,505 --> 01:09:25,683 blamed me for circulating this water cooler rumor about 1440 01:09:26,249 --> 01:09:27,859 his daughter's pregnancy. 1441 01:09:27,902 --> 01:09:29,687 Then he started punching me in the head, 1442 01:09:30,340 --> 01:09:32,168 and saying, "Get out, get out!" 1443 01:09:32,211 --> 01:09:35,867 I said, "I know he's an irritant to you, 1444 01:09:36,694 --> 01:09:38,261 I think he has value... 1445 01:09:39,131 --> 01:09:42,700 But I probably am not gonna fight you on this one." 1446 01:09:43,657 --> 01:09:44,702 And I didn't. 1447 01:09:46,269 --> 01:09:48,662 And it was probably the correct decision for the business, 1448 01:09:48,706 --> 01:09:51,883 but it wasn't quite the correct decision for my conscience. 1449 01:09:52,884 --> 01:09:55,495 Danny has always been... 1450 01:09:57,367 --> 01:09:59,456 the sand in the oyster around which 1451 01:09:59,499 --> 01:10:01,022 you hope to grow a pearl. 1452 01:10:01,675 --> 01:10:03,329 And that was my last day there. 1453 01:10:03,373 --> 01:10:04,896 It was best to leave 1454 01:10:04,939 --> 01:10:07,028 after your boss punches you in the head. 1455 01:10:07,072 --> 01:10:08,552 I wouldn't stick around. 1456 01:10:11,337 --> 01:10:12,773 I was not wanted. 1457 01:10:14,471 --> 01:10:16,821 Saw The Cockettes at the Palace Theater in San Francisco, 1458 01:10:16,864 --> 01:10:20,607 and of course I loved them, they did "Pearls Over Shanghai". 1459 01:10:20,651 --> 01:10:22,218 Then they were coming to New York, 1460 01:10:22,261 --> 01:10:24,698 so I found out who the promoter was, 1461 01:10:24,742 --> 01:10:26,309 who was bringing them here, and I said, 1462 01:10:26,352 --> 01:10:28,354 "Well, let me be their press agent." 1463 01:10:32,532 --> 01:10:34,186 Fayette Hauser: Every single time I saw him 1464 01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:37,363 in the office at the Anderson, he was on the phone, 1465 01:10:37,407 --> 01:10:39,757 corralling every single person 1466 01:10:40,192 --> 01:10:43,195 who had any fame and glory in the city at the time 1467 01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:45,589 to come to this opening, and they did. 1468 01:10:51,856 --> 01:10:55,773 They sat there stone-faced, waiting for a performance 1469 01:10:55,816 --> 01:10:59,255 that was more polished 1470 01:10:59,646 --> 01:11:05,173 than the kind of instantaneous, anti-theater rave 1471 01:11:05,217 --> 01:11:07,741 that we were communicating in San Francisco. 1472 01:11:07,785 --> 01:11:11,092 The famous one is, Angela Lansbury stood up and said, 1473 01:11:11,136 --> 01:11:12,268 "Let's get the fuck out of here!" 1474 01:11:12,311 --> 01:11:14,400 And the audience began to flee. 1475 01:11:14,444 --> 01:11:18,796 But Danny, unphased, went forward with it all 1476 01:11:18,839 --> 01:11:21,320 and got us as much press as possible. 1477 01:11:21,364 --> 01:11:25,411 Art needs a translator like that. 1478 01:11:25,455 --> 01:11:28,109 Danny was a catalyst for a lot of people. 1479 01:11:28,153 --> 01:11:31,199 Some people can be artists, can be great, 1480 01:11:31,243 --> 01:11:33,376 but they can be floating in the sphere, 1481 01:11:33,419 --> 01:11:35,552 unrecognized or unknown. 1482 01:11:35,595 --> 01:11:38,772 He would bring the artist into the society and 1483 01:11:39,338 --> 01:11:42,733 put them on a platform and define the platform and say, 1484 01:11:42,776 --> 01:11:46,214 "Here, this is the artist that you need to pay attention to." 1485 01:11:46,606 --> 01:11:49,783 At that point, as at many others, I needed a job. 1486 01:11:49,827 --> 01:11:53,613 And my best friend, Steve Paul, 1487 01:11:53,657 --> 01:11:55,615 said he needed a personal assistant 1488 01:11:55,659 --> 01:11:58,705 and someone to drive him around. 1489 01:11:58,749 --> 01:12:02,666 His dream was that the Winter brothers were gonna be 1490 01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:05,408 unstoppable, inevitable, 1491 01:12:05,451 --> 01:12:10,413 on television, on parades and in Super Bowls. 1492 01:12:10,456 --> 01:12:15,635 Because what could be better than two albinos! 1493 01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:17,507 Whoa, think of the visuals. 1494 01:12:17,550 --> 01:12:21,815 One of them is the world's fastest blues player. 1495 01:12:21,859 --> 01:12:24,862 Is that... That's an oxymoron. 1496 01:12:24,905 --> 01:12:26,429 The blues is... 1497 01:12:34,045 --> 01:12:36,787 So I don't how you could be a fast blues player but anyhow... 1498 01:12:36,830 --> 01:12:39,659 And the other one was a keyboard player, 1499 01:12:39,703 --> 01:12:41,966 and he wore the piano around his neck. 1500 01:12:42,009 --> 01:12:46,274 It was the most ungainly thing I've ever seen, 1501 01:12:46,318 --> 01:12:48,799 because it was this big, long... 1502 01:12:49,713 --> 01:12:51,236 diving board. 1503 01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:54,021 And it sort of gets a life on its own. 1504 01:12:54,065 --> 01:12:57,198 When you turn one way, it goes the other. 1505 01:12:57,242 --> 01:12:59,810 Imagine this thing. 1506 01:12:59,853 --> 01:13:00,811 And you're... 1507 01:13:00,854 --> 01:13:02,682 And you're playing it. 1508 01:13:02,726 --> 01:13:04,597 Guitars are stupid-looking enough. 1509 01:13:04,641 --> 01:13:06,469 That was Steve's dream. 1510 01:13:06,512 --> 01:13:09,515 That's okay, but you can see that was a little dispiriting. 1511 01:13:09,559 --> 01:13:11,648 I do wanna take credit for 1512 01:13:11,691 --> 01:13:15,739 the Edgar Winter's album that made Steve Paul rich. 1513 01:13:16,566 --> 01:13:18,829 And us rich, which was called, 1514 01:13:18,872 --> 01:13:22,006 They Only Come Out at Night, and it contained 1515 01:13:22,049 --> 01:13:24,748 the enchanting hit, "Frankenstein". 1516 01:13:30,362 --> 01:13:32,625 Eight minutes of one riff. 1517 01:13:33,365 --> 01:13:36,455 And it was huge! 1518 01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:40,459 Just like you get time to go to the bathroom, 1519 01:13:40,503 --> 01:13:41,591 or you can make a doodie, 1520 01:13:42,983 --> 01:13:45,986 you put on a sandwich to roast in the microwave. 1521 01:13:46,030 --> 01:13:48,554 You could do all these things, while that song was on, 1522 01:13:48,598 --> 01:13:49,860 it was very handy. 1523 01:13:49,903 --> 01:13:51,514 Someone had done a shoot of Edgar 1524 01:13:51,557 --> 01:13:54,604 looking up at the ceiling so his hair was falling down his back. 1525 01:13:55,126 --> 01:13:57,302 Steve asked me to advise him, 1526 01:13:57,345 --> 01:13:58,825 "What do we do with this person?" 1527 01:13:58,869 --> 01:14:00,740 "Turn him sideways!" 1528 01:14:00,784 --> 01:14:03,395 You know, he ain't ever gonna be cute. 1529 01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:04,831 At least turn him sideways, 1530 01:14:04,875 --> 01:14:07,660 and make it look as if he's blowing in the wind. 1531 01:14:07,704 --> 01:14:10,794 That's the little things I do to make trouble that... 1532 01:14:12,143 --> 01:14:15,799 if they happen, no one knows, so that's my life story. 1533 01:14:15,842 --> 01:14:18,279 So what's the name? What's that career called? 1534 01:14:18,758 --> 01:14:19,759 A nudgy? 1535 01:14:36,341 --> 01:14:40,519 Modern Lovers in 1972 were a very hot band. 1536 01:14:40,563 --> 01:14:44,001 Steve Paul and I recorded them and chased them and 1537 01:14:44,044 --> 01:14:45,959 we used to hang out with them and go to 1538 01:14:46,351 --> 01:14:49,876 saunas at motels and I would save the towels that 1539 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,401 Jerry and Ernie sat on. Cute people! 1540 01:14:53,445 --> 01:14:54,707 Jonathan Richman: He would come up when 1541 01:14:54,751 --> 01:14:56,100 The Velvet Underground would play, 1542 01:14:56,143 --> 01:14:57,754 and they would play in Boston a lot. 1543 01:14:57,797 --> 01:15:00,147 We would talk about The Stooges a lot. 1544 01:15:00,191 --> 01:15:02,672 And Danny brought me to see them live in Ungano's. 1545 01:15:02,715 --> 01:15:06,545 And I had all these drawings of myself in different positions 1546 01:15:06,589 --> 01:15:07,894 'cause I was in the center of the world. 1547 01:15:07,938 --> 01:15:09,679 I showed Iggy and The Stooges 1548 01:15:09,722 --> 01:15:11,071 Here's a picture of me 1549 01:15:11,115 --> 01:15:13,552 up on the roof of the Howard Johnson's, 1550 01:15:13,596 --> 01:15:16,076 and those are the trees, and that's the '57 Thunderbird, 1551 01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,556 and there's the universe 1552 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,993 in relation to myself and everything. 1553 01:15:20,037 --> 01:15:22,430 The Asheton brothers and Dave Alexander said, 1554 01:15:22,474 --> 01:15:24,041 "Let us look at that too." 1555 01:15:24,476 --> 01:15:26,609 So they look at my complicated drawing 1556 01:15:26,652 --> 01:15:28,828 where I was the center of the world and everything. 1557 01:15:28,872 --> 01:15:30,134 They looked at each other and said, 1558 01:15:30,177 --> 01:15:31,570 "Give up, man." 1559 01:15:31,614 --> 01:15:34,007 I say to Iggy, "I've got so much more to say to you!" 1560 01:15:34,051 --> 01:15:36,488 And I'm shameless, you know, 1561 01:15:36,532 --> 01:15:39,230 and Iggy, bless his heart, you know... 1562 01:15:40,057 --> 01:15:42,799 said, "Oh, I've got a good idea. 1563 01:15:42,842 --> 01:15:45,715 I'll talk to you from the stage!" 1564 01:15:45,758 --> 01:15:48,282 And I went, "Okay!" 1565 01:15:48,718 --> 01:15:49,936 I said, "You know what I wanna be, 1566 01:15:49,980 --> 01:15:51,503 I wanna be a rock 'n' roll star." 1567 01:15:51,547 --> 01:15:53,418 Danny says, "Jonathan, don't say that." 1568 01:15:53,461 --> 01:15:54,462 I said, "Why not?" 1569 01:15:55,725 --> 01:15:56,334 He says, "Because people will laugh at you." 1570 01:15:56,377 --> 01:15:58,249 I go, "Yeah, and?" 1571 01:15:58,728 --> 01:16:01,644 It's the truth. And we would argue. 1572 01:16:01,687 --> 01:16:04,690 And we'd have fights about all kinds of things like that. 1573 01:16:04,734 --> 01:16:07,301 He was trying to be nice. 1574 01:16:07,345 --> 01:16:09,129 He was trying to help me out. 1575 01:16:09,173 --> 01:16:13,133 One of them albinos was playing at a high school and 1576 01:16:13,177 --> 01:16:14,439 Steve Paul figured, 1577 01:16:14,482 --> 01:16:16,963 "Now we'll see how good the Modern Lovers are, 1578 01:16:17,007 --> 01:16:18,878 so we'll have them 1579 01:16:18,922 --> 01:16:23,100 open for either one of these unappealing artists." 1580 01:16:23,143 --> 01:16:25,581 The audience wasn't thrilled with us exactly. 1581 01:16:25,624 --> 01:16:28,584 It was a mutual lack of communication. 1582 01:16:30,934 --> 01:16:33,414 But that wasn't disheartening, that was show biz. 1583 01:16:33,763 --> 01:16:36,287 They wouldn't have liked the Second Coming 1584 01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:39,595 if Jesus had flamed up on the stage there. 1585 01:16:39,638 --> 01:16:44,121 They were waiting for albino Texas blues guitarist 1586 01:16:44,164 --> 01:16:47,733 and nothing, certainly not The Modern Lovers, 1587 01:16:47,777 --> 01:16:51,955 who were quirky and kinky and Harvardy. 1588 01:16:51,998 --> 01:16:54,522 They could have been killed by projectiles. 1589 01:16:54,566 --> 01:16:56,916 And if someone had a poison dart gun, 1590 01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,049 all The Modern Lovers would have been dead. 1591 01:16:59,092 --> 01:17:02,966 So to me that's like, "Hooray!" Must be doing something right. 1592 01:17:03,488 --> 01:17:09,363 So that ended our quest to be associated with them. 1593 01:17:09,973 --> 01:17:11,452 Who knows what would've happened? 1594 01:17:11,496 --> 01:17:12,802 Who knows? 1595 01:17:18,677 --> 01:17:19,765 Danny Goldberg: I guess when Danny 1596 01:17:19,809 --> 01:17:20,853 uses the word inventing, 1597 01:17:22,420 --> 01:17:24,291 he means, that through his credibility and enthusiasm, 1598 01:17:24,335 --> 01:17:26,032 he puts someone on a map 1599 01:17:26,076 --> 01:17:27,773 that they wouldn't otherwise be on. 1600 01:17:27,817 --> 01:17:29,732 His opinion influenced... 1601 01:17:30,689 --> 01:17:32,909 most of the journalists and PR people. 1602 01:17:32,952 --> 01:17:35,476 He just had the best taste, 1603 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,087 and a way of expressing it 1604 01:17:37,130 --> 01:17:39,480 that made you want to seek his approval. 1605 01:17:39,524 --> 01:17:41,482 He doesn't think about money as 1606 01:17:41,526 --> 01:17:44,094 the main definition of success. 1607 01:17:44,137 --> 01:17:48,272 He thinks about greatness as he defines it. 1608 01:17:48,315 --> 01:17:50,187 And if he thinks something is great, it's great, 1609 01:17:50,230 --> 01:17:51,754 and whatever anybody else thinks, 1610 01:17:51,797 --> 01:17:53,669 they're just idiots if they don't agree with him. 1611 01:17:54,191 --> 01:17:57,194 So that's incredibly inspiring in terms of 1612 01:17:57,237 --> 01:17:59,022 somebody's commitment to their own taste 1613 01:17:59,065 --> 01:18:00,458 and clarity and vision. 1614 01:18:00,501 --> 01:18:02,068 It's not the way to get rich. 1615 01:18:02,112 --> 01:18:05,985 I never turned down quick money, but I wasn't looking for it, 1616 01:18:06,029 --> 01:18:08,988 and you have to pay for money. 1617 01:18:09,032 --> 01:18:13,906 Steve Paul and I were both asked to see Aerosmith. 1618 01:18:14,428 --> 01:18:15,952 He hated them as people, 1619 01:18:16,561 --> 01:18:18,955 and I didn't love them as anything. 1620 01:18:19,564 --> 01:18:21,087 Someone could have said, 1621 01:18:21,131 --> 01:18:24,177 "Oh, they're gonna be great and famous and big stars 1622 01:18:24,221 --> 01:18:25,701 and sell a gazillion records, 1623 01:18:25,744 --> 01:18:27,833 and make millionaires out of everyone." 1624 01:18:27,877 --> 01:18:30,096 I would've said, "I don't care, good, let it happen, 1625 01:18:30,140 --> 01:18:31,576 let someone else do it." 1626 01:18:31,619 --> 01:18:35,885 They flew people to Boston to see them. 1627 01:18:35,928 --> 01:18:38,452 Lisa and I were there, of course. 1628 01:18:39,062 --> 01:18:41,891 And afterwards, there was a big dinner 1629 01:18:42,369 --> 01:18:45,242 at a cool restaurant in Harvard Square. 1630 01:18:45,285 --> 01:18:47,853 The band came in, and the first thing, 1631 01:18:47,897 --> 01:18:49,333 she looked at me and said, 1632 01:18:49,376 --> 01:18:54,294 "Ew, he's wearing what he wore on stage to the party! 1633 01:18:54,773 --> 01:18:56,253 Ew! 1634 01:18:56,296 --> 01:18:58,472 I don't want to get too near him!" 1635 01:18:59,256 --> 01:19:00,605 And... 1636 01:19:01,214 --> 01:19:02,650 you know... 1637 01:19:02,694 --> 01:19:06,002 It's kinda like that's one way of saying what I felt. 1638 01:19:06,045 --> 01:19:08,744 It's a way of saying what Steve Paul felt about them. 1639 01:19:09,309 --> 01:19:10,746 Legs McNeil: I think what's great about Danny 1640 01:19:10,789 --> 01:19:12,095 is that he's kinda undefinable. 1641 01:19:13,705 --> 01:19:15,968 Danny believes that love is kind of like art, it's perfect. 1642 01:19:16,447 --> 01:19:18,144 And sex is this dirty thing... 1643 01:19:18,928 --> 01:19:21,713 It's kinda like money and sex are down here, 1644 01:19:21,757 --> 01:19:24,107 and art and love are up here. 1645 01:19:24,629 --> 01:19:27,153 And he has a kind of a... 1646 01:19:28,328 --> 01:19:30,200 a real conflict with that. 1647 01:19:30,853 --> 01:19:32,855 I mean I look back and... 1648 01:19:34,813 --> 01:19:36,162 What am I thrilled by? 1649 01:19:36,989 --> 01:19:38,948 Something I did? No. 1650 01:19:39,339 --> 01:19:40,950 The best times? 1651 01:19:42,168 --> 01:19:43,300 When they were happening, 1652 01:19:44,997 --> 01:19:46,520 I didn't think, "Oh, I'm living in the best time." 1653 01:19:46,999 --> 01:19:49,306 They didn't seem so then. 1654 01:19:49,349 --> 01:19:52,135 You don't say that, on that... 1655 01:19:52,918 --> 01:19:55,791 When you think about it, or look at pictures of it, 1656 01:19:55,834 --> 01:19:58,968 "Oh, my god, what a beautiful place! 1657 01:19:59,490 --> 01:20:02,885 "What a beautiful time of day, what a beautiful person!" 1658 01:20:02,928 --> 01:20:07,106 Five important people in my life died last year! 1659 01:20:07,150 --> 01:20:11,154 Five! I think, I'm losing count now. 1660 01:20:11,676 --> 01:20:14,200 In one year. What? 1661 01:20:14,897 --> 01:20:16,202 You know... 1662 01:20:17,987 --> 01:20:19,640 My Achilles heel was... 1663 01:20:20,859 --> 01:20:23,906 everything took too long to happen 1664 01:20:23,949 --> 01:20:26,212 and I couldn't stick around for it. 1665 01:20:26,256 --> 01:20:28,649 I wasn't gonna stick around. 1666 01:20:32,262 --> 01:20:34,046 Mara Hennessy: He becomes overly attached 1667 01:20:34,090 --> 01:20:37,397 to the illusion of self, his creation, 1668 01:20:37,441 --> 01:20:38,746 Danny Fields. 1669 01:20:40,096 --> 01:20:41,837 And I think that that's a lot of pressure, 1670 01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,316 it's a full-time gig. 1671 01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,841 So he lives with a... 1672 01:20:47,190 --> 01:20:50,628 A kinda sense of inadequacy about his life, I think. 1673 01:20:52,586 --> 01:20:56,068 He feels like he needs to do something he hasn't done. 1674 01:20:56,808 --> 01:21:00,072 I'm not sure, but I think it's really basic... 1675 01:21:00,943 --> 01:21:02,640 existential despair. 1676 01:21:02,683 --> 01:21:04,860 I think it's like the dark night of the soul, 1677 01:21:04,903 --> 01:21:07,645 that he goes back to over and over and over again. 1678 01:21:07,688 --> 01:21:10,343 His whole apartment is anthropomorphized. 1679 01:21:10,387 --> 01:21:12,998 He's got all the files and all the things that he's saved, 1680 01:21:13,042 --> 01:21:14,086 and the photographs, 1681 01:21:15,566 --> 01:21:16,306 there's spirits of all the people he's loved 1682 01:21:16,349 --> 01:21:17,916 and known everywhere. 1683 01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,223 It's out of love that he has that stuff. 1684 01:21:20,266 --> 01:21:25,054 He's very romantic, wanting somebody to blossom. 1685 01:21:25,881 --> 01:21:27,404 And wanting somebody's 1686 01:21:27,926 --> 01:21:29,449 spiritual, creative, 1687 01:21:29,493 --> 01:21:31,887 intellectual development to be fulfilled 1688 01:21:31,930 --> 01:21:34,802 as much as you want your own, and helping them do that. 1689 01:21:34,846 --> 01:21:38,067 He does that for so many people. That's loving. 1690 01:21:43,246 --> 01:21:48,729 Gloria Stavers, then at16, who had been my supposed rival, 1691 01:21:48,773 --> 01:21:51,558 I never got near to what she did, 1692 01:21:51,602 --> 01:21:55,432 asked me to be her personal assistant at16 Magazine. 1693 01:21:55,954 --> 01:22:00,567 That lasted until her final fight with the publisher. 1694 01:22:00,611 --> 01:22:05,355 And the magazine then fell to the co-editorship 1695 01:22:05,398 --> 01:22:08,924 of me and the brilliant Randi Reisfeld. 1696 01:22:09,446 --> 01:22:12,928 Danny did absolutely bring a sense of fun. 1697 01:22:12,971 --> 01:22:15,365 It was going to be about David Cassidy, 1698 01:22:15,408 --> 01:22:18,194 and it was going to be about Davey Jones, 1699 01:22:18,237 --> 01:22:21,937 but he also would be interested in exposing the readers 1700 01:22:21,980 --> 01:22:23,634 to the Ramones, 1701 01:22:23,677 --> 01:22:26,985 or what was happening on the hipper New York scene. 1702 01:22:27,029 --> 01:22:28,856 You went through a phase where you had the Beatles, 1703 01:22:28,900 --> 01:22:30,467 you had the Monkees, you had David, 1704 01:22:30,510 --> 01:22:32,382 Bobby Sherman, the boom days... 1705 01:22:32,425 --> 01:22:35,559 But then harder-edged rock 'n' roll took over, 1706 01:22:35,602 --> 01:22:39,998 so Danny made Alice into sort of a teen idol. 1707 01:22:40,042 --> 01:22:42,044 I said, "There's so many rock heroes, 1708 01:22:42,087 --> 01:22:44,437 so many Peter Pans, where's Captain Hook?" 1709 01:22:44,481 --> 01:22:46,265 The great thing about16 Magazine was that 1710 01:22:46,309 --> 01:22:48,876 it was Donny Osmond was the devil and I was the angel, 1711 01:22:49,312 --> 01:22:52,097 which was kinda funny to be on the cover of16 1712 01:22:52,141 --> 01:22:54,273 with Donny Osmond. 1713 01:22:54,317 --> 01:22:56,580 'Cause we couldn't have been further apart. 1714 01:22:56,623 --> 01:23:01,324 Somehow Danny kinda liked that juxtaposition of the two. 1715 01:23:01,846 --> 01:23:03,935 You know, the opposites. 1716 01:23:03,979 --> 01:23:08,113 I think that he loved glam rock, punk rock and horror rock. 1717 01:23:08,157 --> 01:23:10,072 Iggy was the punk rock guy, 1718 01:23:10,115 --> 01:23:12,639 I was sorta the glam/horror rock guy, 1719 01:23:13,336 --> 01:23:17,818 Bowie was this space oddity/glam guy. 1720 01:23:17,862 --> 01:23:19,124 Danny was in the middle of all of it, 1721 01:23:19,168 --> 01:23:20,821 almost orchestrating it. 1722 01:23:20,865 --> 01:23:22,519 And those are the guys that... 1723 01:23:22,998 --> 01:23:24,825 They are always in the wings, 1724 01:23:25,348 --> 01:23:27,828 but they're always the most effective people. 1725 01:23:27,872 --> 01:23:30,483 He was always helping us, and pushing us. 1726 01:24:35,592 --> 01:24:38,943 Max's was our after hours, 1727 01:24:38,986 --> 01:24:42,599 before hours place to be. 1728 01:24:42,642 --> 01:24:46,081 The New York Dolls were our band, 1729 01:24:46,124 --> 01:24:48,387 but because they wore lipstick 1730 01:24:48,431 --> 01:24:51,651 and had that attitude on the cover of their first album, 1731 01:24:51,695 --> 01:24:54,306 they were slammed nationally. 1732 01:24:54,350 --> 01:24:56,526 Patti Smith and Robert Mappelthorpe 1733 01:24:56,569 --> 01:24:59,920 knew about Max's, but they were terrified. 1734 01:25:00,269 --> 01:25:04,099 It seemed so impenetrable and so in, 1735 01:25:04,142 --> 01:25:07,406 especially the back room, everyone was so cool. 1736 01:25:07,450 --> 01:25:10,061 We'd say, "They're are those cute people again. 1737 01:25:10,105 --> 01:25:11,845 Which is a boy, which is a girl?" 1738 01:25:12,672 --> 01:25:16,589 If one of them is a boy, we should be fucking him, 1739 01:25:16,633 --> 01:25:19,288 and if one of them is a girl, you should be fucking her. 1740 01:25:19,810 --> 01:25:21,072 They're just standing there, 1741 01:25:21,116 --> 01:25:22,465 they look like they want to meet us. 1742 01:25:22,508 --> 01:25:24,249 Let's bring them in and fuck them. 1743 01:25:24,293 --> 01:25:26,164 At one moment, I just went up to them: 1744 01:25:26,208 --> 01:25:29,428 "Sit down, you're here all the time, why don't you sit down. 1745 01:25:29,472 --> 01:25:31,604 Have a cup of coffee, it's free." 1746 01:25:31,648 --> 01:25:34,607 Hey, it was Patti Smith and Robert Mapplethorpe in infancy, 1747 01:25:34,651 --> 01:25:36,479 cultural infancy and... 1748 01:25:36,522 --> 01:25:39,786 as opposed to Jim Morrison, she was a good poet. 1749 01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:43,312 And he was adorable and everyone fucked him. 1750 01:25:43,355 --> 01:25:45,966 So that was their kick-off. 1751 01:25:46,532 --> 01:25:47,968 With the Patti Smith Group, 1752 01:25:48,012 --> 01:25:51,276 our sense of punk was more one of attitude. 1753 01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,017 Nobody knew what the heck we were doing. 1754 01:25:53,060 --> 01:25:55,150 Patti would come out and do a few standards, 1755 01:25:55,193 --> 01:25:57,195 and then I'd scrub away on guitar, 1756 01:25:57,239 --> 01:26:00,242 and we'd do some rock oldies and then some noise. 1757 01:26:00,285 --> 01:26:02,983 Danny says, "I know a really great piano player." 1758 01:26:03,027 --> 01:26:05,160 And he introduces us to Richard Sohl. 1759 01:26:05,203 --> 01:26:06,987 He's just a beautiful boy, 1760 01:26:07,031 --> 01:26:09,164 and we're thinking, "Can he actually play?" 1761 01:26:09,207 --> 01:26:10,687 And then he sits down, and phew... 1762 01:26:34,667 --> 01:26:36,669 And that was probably the most important thing 1763 01:26:36,713 --> 01:26:38,105 for the development 1764 01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:40,325 for our band, and for Patti as a singer. 1765 01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,850 He helped shepherd me as... 1766 01:26:44,721 --> 01:26:48,377 a young, questing human into my life. 1767 01:26:48,420 --> 01:26:50,553 Forty years later, I'm still playing, 1768 01:26:50,596 --> 01:26:52,119 which is a beautiful thing. 1769 01:26:52,163 --> 01:26:54,209 And Danny recognized 1770 01:26:54,252 --> 01:26:57,386 that element in me before I even had a clue... 1771 01:26:58,125 --> 01:26:59,605 who I could be. 1772 01:26:59,649 --> 01:27:02,565 The Ramones and their fighting, competitive, 1773 01:27:02,608 --> 01:27:04,915 we-hate-everyone-else spirit, 1774 01:27:04,958 --> 01:27:09,224 Johnny would yell at Tommy, "You're our publicity guy, 1775 01:27:09,267 --> 01:27:11,704 why isn't this guy writing about us? 1776 01:27:11,748 --> 01:27:14,533 Why is writing about these fucking beatniks or hippies?" 1777 01:27:14,577 --> 01:27:16,361 They were also after Lisa Robinson, 1778 01:27:16,405 --> 01:27:19,146 she was the editor ofRock Scene. 1779 01:27:19,582 --> 01:27:23,716 And of courseRock Scene was full of, you know... 1780 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,632 "David Johansen has dinner in Chinatown" 1781 01:27:26,676 --> 01:27:30,201 or, you know, "The New York Dolls buy lipstick." 1782 01:27:30,245 --> 01:27:32,290 All pictures, all glam, 1783 01:27:32,334 --> 01:27:35,902 nothing about music, it was just all about celebrities. 1784 01:27:35,946 --> 01:27:37,208 Everyone was a star. 1785 01:27:37,252 --> 01:27:38,949 Lisa and I said, "Ugh... 1786 01:27:39,776 --> 01:27:42,257 are you getting bothered by these Ramones?" 1787 01:27:42,735 --> 01:27:44,433 She said, "Ugh, they don't stop. 1788 01:27:44,476 --> 01:27:46,130 I'm afraid to pick up the phone." 1789 01:27:47,349 --> 01:27:49,525 I said, "We have to get them off our backs. 1790 01:27:49,568 --> 01:27:50,830 You go see the Ramones, 1791 01:27:50,874 --> 01:27:53,093 I'll go see the whatever elses." 1792 01:27:53,137 --> 01:27:56,532 She called the next day and she said, 1793 01:27:56,575 --> 01:27:59,404 "You've got to see this band, you will love them." 1794 01:27:59,448 --> 01:28:01,537 Their songs are all two minutes long, 1795 01:28:01,580 --> 01:28:03,756 their whole set is about 14 minutes. 1796 01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,932 It's what we dream of! 1797 01:28:05,976 --> 01:28:08,457 So I went to see them the next time they played and... 1798 01:28:09,458 --> 01:28:10,763 it was true. 1799 01:28:10,807 --> 01:28:12,983 I Don't Wanna Go Down To The Basement! 1800 01:28:13,549 --> 01:28:15,986 Come on, let's do "Loudmouth," all right? 1801 01:28:16,682 --> 01:28:17,683 Fuck it. 1802 01:28:19,337 --> 01:28:21,948 No, I wanna do "I Don't Wanna Go Down To The Basement" too. 1803 01:28:21,992 --> 01:28:24,342 Yeah, I know, that's two against one. 1804 01:28:24,386 --> 01:28:25,648 - Oh, really? - Yeah. 1805 01:28:25,691 --> 01:28:28,041 Really? Fuck you all! 1806 01:28:28,085 --> 01:28:30,174 Take it, take it, let's go! Quick, lively! 1807 01:28:30,217 --> 01:28:31,523 ♪ 1, 2, 3, 4 1808 01:28:50,412 --> 01:28:51,674 ♪ Hey, daddy-o 1809 01:28:52,501 --> 01:28:54,459 ♪ I don't want to go 1810 01:28:54,503 --> 01:28:56,461 ♪ down to the basement 1811 01:28:58,202 --> 01:28:59,856 ♪ There's somethin' down there 1812 01:29:00,552 --> 01:29:02,598 ♪ I don't want to go 1813 01:29:03,425 --> 01:29:04,948 ♪ Hey, Romeo 1814 01:29:06,253 --> 01:29:08,299 ♪ There's somethin' down there 1815 01:29:08,778 --> 01:29:10,562 ♪ I don't want to go 1816 01:29:10,606 --> 01:29:12,738 ♪ Down to the basement 1817 01:29:12,782 --> 01:29:14,871 I decided within 15 seconds 1818 01:29:15,262 --> 01:29:17,308 because if it ever takes me longer than that 1819 01:29:17,352 --> 01:29:19,658 to know if I like something or not, 1820 01:29:19,702 --> 01:29:21,225 I probably don't like it. 1821 01:29:21,573 --> 01:29:23,662 I don't want to have to wonder. 1822 01:29:23,706 --> 01:29:25,664 It's just gotta 1823 01:29:25,708 --> 01:29:27,536 knock me over like... 1824 01:29:28,275 --> 01:29:29,712 atomic wind. 1825 01:29:29,755 --> 01:29:32,584 This is just everything, 1826 01:29:32,628 --> 01:29:36,414 no guitar solos, the songs are over so fast, 1827 01:29:36,458 --> 01:29:38,503 they're all so cute, they look great, 1828 01:29:38,547 --> 01:29:39,809 I love what they're wearing. 1829 01:29:39,852 --> 01:29:41,724 I loved them, they had everything. 1830 01:29:41,767 --> 01:29:43,856 I introduced myself to them afterwards and 1831 01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:46,685 I said right away, "I want to be your manager." 1832 01:29:46,729 --> 01:29:50,123 "We need a few thousand dollars for a drum kit and... 1833 01:29:50,559 --> 01:29:52,561 if you come up with that, you can be our manager." 1834 01:29:55,346 --> 01:29:57,087 "Okay." 1835 01:29:57,783 --> 01:30:01,221 So I flew down to Florida and 1836 01:30:02,222 --> 01:30:04,486 went to visit my mother, 1837 01:30:04,529 --> 01:30:07,314 "I just discovered this band I really love and 1838 01:30:07,358 --> 01:30:09,534 they're going to sign a long contract with me, 1839 01:30:09,578 --> 01:30:10,883 and they're gonna make me rich. 1840 01:30:10,927 --> 01:30:14,452 I need $3,000." "Okay, if you're sure." 1841 01:30:14,496 --> 01:30:16,236 And she wrote me a check and I gave it to them, 1842 01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,891 they bought what they needed and I was their manager. 1843 01:31:00,019 --> 01:31:02,413 Lou Reed: Do you hear the way the songs start? 1844 01:31:03,980 --> 01:31:06,286 No bullshitting, and same way they end. 1845 01:31:07,113 --> 01:31:11,596 No, it goes at full throttle from beginning to end. 1846 01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:13,424 It starts and ends, then the next one, 1847 01:31:13,468 --> 01:31:15,948 starts and ends and just goes sailing on. 1848 01:31:15,992 --> 01:31:17,776 That's such a great concept! 1849 01:31:17,820 --> 01:31:19,952 - That's so intuitive. - It's genius! 1850 01:31:20,344 --> 01:31:21,519 No kidding. 1851 01:31:23,173 --> 01:31:24,827 Now you hit the nail on the head, they're crazy! 1852 01:31:25,828 --> 01:31:26,829 Without doubt, 1853 01:31:28,395 --> 01:31:28,961 the most fantastic thing you've ever played, 1854 01:31:29,005 --> 01:31:29,832 bar none. 1855 01:31:31,529 --> 01:31:33,792 I mean it makes everybody else look so bullshit and wimpy, 1856 01:31:33,836 --> 01:31:35,533 Patti Smith and me included. 1857 01:31:35,577 --> 01:31:37,317 Wow! 1858 01:31:37,361 --> 01:31:39,232 Everyone else looks like a sissy compared to them. 1859 01:31:39,276 --> 01:31:42,061 Everybody else looks like they're really old-fashioned. 1860 01:31:42,105 --> 01:31:45,195 That's rock 'n' roll. They really hit where it hurts. 1861 01:31:45,674 --> 01:31:48,154 They are everything everybody worried about. 1862 01:31:48,198 --> 01:31:50,026 Every parent in America would 1863 01:31:50,505 --> 01:31:52,724 freeze in their tracks if they heard this stuff. 1864 01:31:52,768 --> 01:31:54,291 Everything, you know... 1865 01:31:54,334 --> 01:31:55,901 They got them an amp, they got them a guitar. 1866 01:31:55,945 --> 01:31:57,468 Now look! 1867 01:31:57,512 --> 01:31:59,426 There they are! 1868 01:31:59,470 --> 01:32:01,167 Their worst dreams come true. 1869 01:32:01,211 --> 01:32:03,648 It doesn't take any talent, all they're doing is banging it, 1870 01:32:03,692 --> 01:32:04,823 and look at this. 1871 01:32:06,346 --> 01:32:07,826 That is the greatest thing I've ever heard. 1872 01:32:07,870 --> 01:32:09,393 Danny, do something I feel like. 1873 01:32:12,570 --> 01:32:14,006 My friend, Linda Stein, 1874 01:32:14,050 --> 01:32:16,008 she said let's get Seymour to sign them. 1875 01:32:16,052 --> 01:32:17,793 So they played for Seymour, 1876 01:32:17,836 --> 01:32:20,186 who of course has wonderful taste and heard the songs. 1877 01:32:20,230 --> 01:32:21,536 And Seymour was... 1878 01:32:22,101 --> 01:32:23,059 consistently... 1879 01:32:24,103 --> 01:32:25,365 irrevocably... 1880 01:32:26,105 --> 01:32:28,543 unstintingly supportive. 1881 01:32:29,065 --> 01:32:31,937 Mo Ostin, who was an accountant for Frank Sinatra, 1882 01:32:31,981 --> 01:32:33,939 before he became chairman of Warner Brothers, 1883 01:32:33,983 --> 01:32:35,419 Mo's a wonderful man 1884 01:32:35,462 --> 01:32:38,117 would say, "Seymour, this band is not selling records, 1885 01:32:38,161 --> 01:32:40,032 "Did you ever think of not renewing their options?" 1886 01:32:40,076 --> 01:32:41,556 And Seymour would say, 1887 01:32:41,599 --> 01:32:44,776 "Oh no, wherever I go, this band goes." 1888 01:32:44,820 --> 01:32:47,692 Seymour Stein: A lot of people have great taste, 1889 01:32:47,736 --> 01:32:50,869 but are afraid to express it. Not Danny. 1890 01:32:50,913 --> 01:32:55,178 Danny was quite explicit about everything. 1891 01:32:55,221 --> 01:32:59,704 He really had so much taste, so smart. 1892 01:32:59,748 --> 01:33:02,751 But some of his outrageous behavior... 1893 01:33:04,666 --> 01:33:06,711 You know, I think... 1894 01:33:07,930 --> 01:33:10,367 turned a lot of people off. Not me. 1895 01:33:10,410 --> 01:33:11,977 Never. 1896 01:33:12,021 --> 01:33:14,589 I loved CBGB, they were packing in crowds 1897 01:33:14,632 --> 01:33:16,547 that Hilly never imagined. 1898 01:33:16,591 --> 01:33:17,722 It made it all the more 1899 01:33:17,766 --> 01:33:19,594 depressing, discouraging and frustrating 1900 01:33:19,637 --> 01:33:22,292 that we couldn't get them out of town. 1901 01:33:22,335 --> 01:33:24,642 Tommy Ramone: We did an audition for Blue Sky Records 1902 01:33:24,686 --> 01:33:26,252 that Steve Paul owned. 1903 01:33:26,296 --> 01:33:28,733 And our audition was opening for Johnny Winter. 1904 01:33:28,777 --> 01:33:30,866 And it was our first time out of the city, 1905 01:33:30,909 --> 01:33:32,781 in Waterbury, Connecticut. 1906 01:33:32,824 --> 01:33:37,307 And the curtain opens up, and here are these guys... 1907 01:33:38,613 --> 01:33:41,311 playing music from another dimension. 1908 01:33:41,746 --> 01:33:43,879 By the third or fourth song, 1909 01:33:43,922 --> 01:33:46,925 we take a break, all of sudden out of the audience comes... 1910 01:33:53,497 --> 01:33:55,107 We always played 1911 01:33:55,151 --> 01:33:57,588 some place where no band had ever played before. 1912 01:33:57,632 --> 01:34:00,460 A basement, a loft or a parking lot, 1913 01:34:00,504 --> 01:34:03,812 or someone found an abandoned warehouse. 1914 01:34:03,855 --> 01:34:07,163 Talking Heads auditioned and Hilly thought they were 1915 01:34:07,642 --> 01:34:09,208 terrible enough to play there. 1916 01:34:09,252 --> 01:34:12,298 He asked me if they could open for The Ramones. 1917 01:34:12,342 --> 01:34:14,953 Johnny was nearby, he was very fussy about that. 1918 01:34:14,997 --> 01:34:17,652 And I said, "They want to open for us, what do you think?" 1919 01:34:17,695 --> 01:34:21,046 He said, "They really are lousy, yeah, sure." 1920 01:34:21,786 --> 01:34:23,440 That was his criteria, 1921 01:34:23,483 --> 01:34:26,182 are they terrible enough not to steal any thunder? 1922 01:34:26,225 --> 01:34:28,837 Such a pro, so smart, Johnny. 1923 01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:30,621 Again, 1924 01:34:30,665 --> 01:34:33,929 the Ramones first appearance in London, July 4th, 1976, 1925 01:34:33,972 --> 01:34:35,800 outside the Round House, 1926 01:34:35,844 --> 01:34:38,281 Paul Simonon introduced himself. 1927 01:34:38,324 --> 01:34:41,153 "I'm a big fan of yours, this must be really exciting for you, 1928 01:34:41,197 --> 01:34:43,503 you sold our the Round House, you've never been here before." 1929 01:34:43,547 --> 01:34:44,983 And Johnny said, "What do you do?" 1930 01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,769 "We're called the Clash, but we never played 1931 01:34:47,812 --> 01:34:49,988 'cause we're waiting to get good enough." 1932 01:34:50,032 --> 01:34:53,165 Johnny said, "Wait till you see us tonight, we stink!" 1933 01:34:53,209 --> 01:34:56,168 Just get out there and play. Wait till you see us, 1934 01:34:56,212 --> 01:34:58,910 you're not gonna ever worry about being good again." 1935 01:34:58,954 --> 01:35:02,392 And sure enough, about two weeks later, 1936 01:35:02,435 --> 01:35:05,221 they started booking themselves, The Clash, on tour. 1937 01:35:05,264 --> 01:35:09,355 You were not allowed to be terrible and great 1938 01:35:09,399 --> 01:35:11,009 until these bands came along. 1939 01:35:11,053 --> 01:35:14,578 And that was the meaning of that revolution. 1940 01:35:14,970 --> 01:35:18,147 By traditional standards of how many notes 1941 01:35:18,190 --> 01:35:21,803 can you squeeze into a second like that Van Halen guy, 1942 01:35:21,846 --> 01:35:25,807 as opposed to how much power can you get out of a performance, 1943 01:35:25,850 --> 01:35:28,810 that was the watershed moment. 1944 01:35:28,853 --> 01:35:30,855 Everything interesting since then 1945 01:35:30,899 --> 01:35:32,422 has derived from that. 1946 01:35:32,465 --> 01:35:34,076 But they got that from The Stooges as well, 1947 01:35:34,119 --> 01:35:35,381 who were terrible. 1948 01:35:35,425 --> 01:35:36,774 Bands in my life... 1949 01:35:38,123 --> 01:35:40,430 They were always kinda doing something like that. 1950 01:35:40,473 --> 01:35:42,867 And it was always about the songs. 1951 01:35:42,911 --> 01:35:45,783 Every one of those bands had great songs. 1952 01:35:45,827 --> 01:35:47,785 If they didn't have great songs, 1953 01:35:47,829 --> 01:35:49,787 they couldn't have been great. 1954 01:36:47,976 --> 01:36:51,718 There's no question that the Ramones suffered greatly 1955 01:36:51,762 --> 01:36:54,634 because the Sex Pistols were so famous 1956 01:36:54,678 --> 01:37:00,597 for vomiting and bleeding and scratching and smelling and 1957 01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:02,817 tearing down and destroying, 1958 01:37:02,860 --> 01:37:04,601 you know, "no future". 1959 01:37:05,602 --> 01:37:06,516 So bleak! 1960 01:37:08,083 --> 01:37:09,954 And when their records went around to radio stations... 1961 01:37:09,998 --> 01:37:12,827 Intuitive, like what do I know about them? 1962 01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:16,134 They're trouble. They throw up. 1963 01:37:16,178 --> 01:37:18,397 If we play their record, we'll probably have to have them here, 1964 01:37:18,441 --> 01:37:19,964 and then they'll throw up on the console. 1965 01:37:20,008 --> 01:37:22,358 It's easier! Don't play their record! 1966 01:37:22,401 --> 01:37:25,013 And this stigma falls on you. 1967 01:37:25,056 --> 01:37:26,449 They're a critics' band. 1968 01:37:28,146 --> 01:37:30,018 Critics don't pay for records, they get them free. 1969 01:37:30,061 --> 01:37:33,543 And every once in a while they annoy us 1970 01:37:33,586 --> 01:37:36,763 by rubbing it in that they all like this band 1971 01:37:36,807 --> 01:37:38,026 that we're not able to sell. 1972 01:37:38,069 --> 01:37:42,378 The band voted to find new management, 1973 01:37:42,421 --> 01:37:44,728 in the hopes of 1974 01:37:45,337 --> 01:37:48,688 getting these wonderful songs on the radio. 1975 01:37:48,732 --> 01:37:53,215 And I could not fucking in any way blame them. 1976 01:37:53,258 --> 01:37:57,915 The Ramones were disaffected teenagers for whom, in fact, 1977 01:37:58,394 --> 01:38:02,354 there was, when they were in high school, no future. 1978 01:38:02,789 --> 01:38:04,356 But through their work, 1979 01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:09,057 they gave themselves a very long future. 1980 01:38:09,100 --> 01:38:14,236 They left a legacy of no future people. 1981 01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:16,064 Maybe we have a future. 1982 01:38:16,107 --> 01:38:18,196 We thought we had no future! 1983 01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:19,415 Look at them! 1984 01:38:20,764 --> 01:38:22,548 They can't play! They're terrible! 1985 01:38:22,592 --> 01:38:25,769 But look! This is exciting! They're big! They're famous! 1986 01:38:25,812 --> 01:38:27,379 They can get laid. 1987 01:38:27,423 --> 01:38:28,859 Let's start a band! 1988 01:38:28,903 --> 01:38:33,385 What more can you do? 1989 01:38:33,429 --> 01:38:36,214 Your pied pipers out there. 1990 01:38:36,258 --> 01:38:39,435 What? You can't pay the rent with that. 1991 01:38:39,957 --> 01:38:44,266 A lot of these bands are going to go on to be U2 and Pearl Jam, 1992 01:38:44,309 --> 01:38:47,095 and outsell you by the zillions. 1993 01:38:47,138 --> 01:38:49,445 It was the greatest years of my life, 1994 01:38:49,488 --> 01:38:51,969 traveling, the adventure... 1995 01:38:52,796 --> 01:38:54,058 getting laid... 1996 01:38:55,103 --> 01:38:57,409 the audience reaction... 1997 01:38:57,453 --> 01:38:59,107 the encore... 1998 01:38:59,977 --> 01:39:02,806 fans... getting laid... 1999 01:39:02,849 --> 01:39:04,460 You know, I would have been a millionaire, 2000 01:39:05,330 --> 01:39:07,593 if I'd just stayed with them, but then again, 2001 01:39:08,377 --> 01:39:10,901 I would've had to be their manager for 20 years. 2002 01:39:10,945 --> 01:39:12,642 Wow, I always liked to do something new 2003 01:39:12,685 --> 01:39:14,296 that no one's ever done before. 2004 01:39:42,498 --> 01:39:45,022 Oh yeah, stick with me, and 40 years from now, 2005 01:39:45,066 --> 01:39:46,110 you'll be a star. 2006 01:39:49,244 --> 01:39:50,288 You'll be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. 2007 01:39:50,332 --> 01:39:52,812 That's the worst case, but you know, 2008 01:39:52,856 --> 01:39:55,902 life isn't long enough to see everything that happens 2009 01:39:55,946 --> 01:39:58,688 that we saw beginning or continuing or 2010 01:39:58,731 --> 01:39:59,994 we thought was ending. 2011 01:40:01,604 --> 01:40:03,345 You know, it takes more time than that when it comes to... 2012 01:40:04,650 --> 01:40:05,869 things that will endure. 2013 01:40:07,436 --> 01:40:10,308 I have been really lucky to know or be around 2014 01:40:10,352 --> 01:40:13,616 so many smart people, and then from that 2015 01:40:13,659 --> 01:40:16,619 to have so many smart people be my best friends. 2016 01:40:16,662 --> 01:40:18,577 I thought I would never have any friends. 2017 01:40:18,621 --> 01:40:20,927 What matters is the people 2018 01:40:20,971 --> 01:40:23,060 and the smart people, and the friends people, 2019 01:40:23,104 --> 01:40:25,236 and the beautiful people and 2020 01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:29,545 animals and dogs and nature and art and... 2021 01:40:30,198 --> 01:40:33,331 maybe music belongs in that list somewhere. 148708

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