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Kermit? Kermit, you're late. It's time
to start the... Kermit?
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Oh, dear.
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It's okay.
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I'll just do whatever Kermit would do if
he were here. Now, if he were here, he
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would have me hit the remote button, and
then up would come a great opening.
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So I can do that without Kermit.
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So here comes a classic, meaningful
piece of entertainment.
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It's time to put on makeup. It's time to
dress up right.
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It's time to raise the curtain of the
show tonight.
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Kermit! Oh, dear.
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Oh!
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Gee, I was kind of enjoying that.
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Good evening and welcome to the show.
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Was that you?
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Oh, it must be Jojo. Hey, come on.
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Here's evening paper, sir.
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Thanks, Jojo. But aren't you supposed to
quit work at five?
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Yes, sir.
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But you hired me as a handyman.
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A handy dog.
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Oh, right.
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So I try to be handy, sir. On show days,
I stay late.
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What if something went wrong with the
show?
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Like, for instance, a dog comes running
onto the set just as we're beginning?
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Did I miss something there, sir?
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Was there a tone of wit or irony?
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JoJo, what is it you want?
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Oh, you outguessed me again, sir. I do
have a question.
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How do the Muppets work?
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Well, by an astounding coincidence,
you've asked exactly the right question.
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Because tonight we're going to go behind
the scenes.
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Tonight we'll reveal it all. The secrets
of the Muppets. Is that okay with you,
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Kermit? It's fine with me, Chief. In
fact, it could be fun. Oh, good. Well,
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and I will get ready.
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Kermit, did I... Did you hear Jim say
that he wants us to reveal some of our
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secrets? No, I think he said all of our
secrets.
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Oh.
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All right.
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Okay, all right. Okay, I admit it.
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Sometimes, late at night, when I'm all
alone, I wash my socks in club soda to
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make my feet fizz. Oh, I'm so
embarrassed.
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And so, tonight we're revealing the
secrets of the Muppets.
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Jojo, where should we begin?
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Gosh, Mr. H, I hardly know.
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I mean, the Muppets do so many different
things.
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Well, we have to start somewhere.
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Okay. How about this room?
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Okay. What would you like to know about
it? Just about everything, sir.
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I mean, frankly, Mr. H., it's sort of
indescribable.
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Well, that's because it doesn't actually
exist.
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Because it doesn't actually exist.
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Beg pardon, sir?
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Well, you see, we're not standing in
this set. We're standing in this set.
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Hey, take it easy.
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The lion hates it when I do that.
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No wonder, sir.
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I can describe this room now.
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Dull describes it.
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Boring describes it. Not to mention
blue.
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But let me show you how we go from this
to this.
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Like any other set, this one began with
drawings.
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What's kind of fun here is if you have,
you know, this is air and this is water,
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and you can completely reverse that. You
could have birds down here in the
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water, you know, swimming along, and you
could have fish.
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flying through up here in space?
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I think the fact is that you can
actually do almost anything in a
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Right, right. Okay, I think one of the
things that we've done is retain this
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sense of the classical Roman, almost
Colosseum -like archway in the back.
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There's this really marvelous, it's
become almost more gothic. But instead
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handing the drawings to a crew of
carpenters, we gave it to a bunch of
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animators. They built a three
-dimensional version of the room inside
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computer.
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Here's the room when it was under
construction.
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So now that room exists in the computer.
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And Jojo and the lion and I exist in
this blue set.
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Now the set is painted blue because we
can adjust the cameras so they can't see
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blue. Then we can replace the blue with
computer animation.
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This is called matting, by the way. Now
we're all matted into the room.
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Hey, wait a second. I have to get down
from here.
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Come back.
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Good. Now I can make my entrance like I
do in every show.
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So that's matting.
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Doesn't that just wag your tail, folks?
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The only thing I have to be careful of
is my wardrobe.
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Now look what happens if I wear a bright
blue tie in my room.
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I can see right through you, Mr. H.
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Exactly. By the way, you know that
control room where Kermit the Frog
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What about it? Well, we call that Muppet
Central, and it's done exactly the same
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way. It doesn't really exist either.
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What is he talking about? That's
complete nonsense.
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What did I tell you? The boss is no
longer driving with a full tank.
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But how can he say that Muppet Central
doesn't exist?
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See?
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Doesn't that sound real?
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Sure. Now, the banging on the wall is a
sound effect. That's added later. It's
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called post -production.
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Actually, these pictures on the monitors
are added later, too.
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I'm starting to understand, Mr. H.
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But it's not true. I just hit the wall.
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Hi, guys. What's happening?
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Good, you were watching TV.
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Is this the news?
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As interesting as it is, sir, it's not
like talking about the Muppets' real
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secret, is it? Secret? Do we have
secrets?
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Yes, we do.
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Yes. All right, everyone, we don't have
to listen to this anymore. No.
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I know what you're asking for, Jojo, and
I suppose you'd like me to talk about
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puppets.
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Okay, Jojo, we'll use you as an example.
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I wasn't expecting that, sir. I don't
want to see this next part. After all,
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are a puppet.
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At least sometimes Jojo's a puppet, and
sometimes she's a real dog.
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Now, this is Bamboo.
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Hey, Bamboo, sit up. Come on, sit up.
Sit up. Oh, very good.
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There you go.
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Bamboo is the dog that plays Jojo in
wide shots. When we decided to use a dog
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puppet in tonight's show, we started
with a casting session for a real dog.
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Now, we were looking for a cute,
intelligent dog, but also one whose
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be recreated as a puppet.
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Now, lots of really great dogs just
didn't quite fit the bill.
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Some were too large, some too small,
some too fat, some were too trim.
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But eventually we found Bamboo, and then
began the process of matching fur and
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flesh with foam and fabric.
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Now working with photographs and
videotape, puppet builder Ed Christie
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sculpting a foam rubber dog head.
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Meanwhile, Raleigh Crewson was in charge
of building a dog body that would look
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like the real thing, but work like a
puppet.
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Great care was taken to match the teeth.
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As work progressed, mechanical rigs were
added to give life and movement to the
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face.
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Matching the color and texture of the
fur turned out to be really tricky. As
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can see, Bamboo's fur has many shades of
brown.
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But at last, everyone was happy, and
here you can see Bamboo and Jojo.
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Mr. Ensign, sir, it's a humiliating
experience to watch documentary footage
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the making of yourself.
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Let me show you something, Jojo.
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Now, over here I've got one of our
simple puppets, and I thought I should
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demonstrate our usual method of
operation.
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Now, normally we work standing with the
puppet over our head like this. Hello
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down there!
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And so that he can tell what's
happening, a puppeteer always watches
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performance in a television monitor.
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I can see your monitor!
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In a way, the puppeteer becomes an
audience to his own performance.
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You make it seem so simple! Well, it's
not always that simple. Sometimes we can
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get pretty complicated.
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Here's a look at the making of the
Viking production number back on the old
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Muppet show.
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Where can you find pleasure, search the
world for treasure, learn science,
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technology?
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Where? Where can you begin to make your
dreams all come true, on the land or on
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the sea?
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Where? Where can you learn to fly, play,
and torture, and study oceanography?
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Where? Sign up for the Big Bend or sit
in the grandstand when your team and
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others meet.
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We're in the Navy.
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Yes, you can sail the seven seas.
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In the Navy.
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Yes, you can put your mind at ease. In
the Navy.
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Come on now, people, make a stand.
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Doing this with one hand, closing on the
beat, and opening with the beat on this
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hand. So, you're doing... We want you.
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We want you. I can't do it.
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Nobody can. Don't worry.
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Oh my God!
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I always liked that number.
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Those were the days.
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He liked it?
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But they showed everything.
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I saw puppeteers. I saw puppeteers. I
saw puppeteers.
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Hey, but I did see puppeteers. I did.
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Now, our puppet shop is right down over
here.
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How did we get to New York so fast, sir?
Well, I thought it would be quicker if
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we traveled by tape, Bennett.
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For sure.
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So this is our New York shop.
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Wow! And this is where an awful lot of
our stuff is built.
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This is neat, sir!
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Here's Tom Newby working on one of our
high -tech projects.
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Hi, JoJo. Hi!
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What's that?
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Oh, this is one of our radio -controlled
puppets.
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Wow! A bionic puppet!
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Wow!
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Come on now, let's see what else is
here.
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Now, you see, Jojo, there's a bunch of
other things around here you might
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recognize. This is great, sir.
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Mm -hmm.
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Yeah.
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Take it easy, Jojo. These are just
puppet cats.
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I'm sorry, sir.
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Right.
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Oh, this looks good, Mr. H.
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Now, hold on there.
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You see, this is just a puppet sandwich
here.
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Oh, that's a delicious -looking
character, sir.
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Well, thank you very much, Jojo. You're
welcome.
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Now here's Joanne Green with a monster
puppet. Wow, that's scary.
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And over here is puppet builder Jane
Gutnik.
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Wait a minute.
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Isn't that Gonzo that you're making?
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Certainly is.
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But he's an old character.
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I mean, he's already built.
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Well, our central family of characters
get a lot of hard use, and we have to
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rebuild them. They just simply wear out.
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Wear out? I do not wear out. This is an
outrage.
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Actually, Gonzo, This is starting to be
fascinating.
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How can you say that? Like everyone
else, I mature, quite gracefully in my
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But to say that I wear out is grotesque.
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Oh, there are little cracks starting at
the corners of your mouth.
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Will you get away from me?
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So here we are in London to see the
Creature Shop, our other workshop.
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Traveling is exhausting, Mr. H. I don't
feel like myself at all.
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Actually, you're not.
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The British government has very strict
regulations about the importation of
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animals. So we just brought the hand
puppet and hired a different dog. You'll
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feel better in close -up.
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You're right, I do, sir.
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Come on inside and meet the gang.
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Hello, John.
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Hello, Jim. How are you? I'm very well,
how are you? You know Jojo? Hi, Jojo.
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Pleased to meet you, John.
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So listen, what's new, John? This is the
Minotaur that we're working on for our
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Greek myth series.
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This is how he started, as a small
maquette.
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Hopefully it'll look like that when we
finish.
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And Jojo, I'm sure you remember the
devil from one of our storytellers.
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Is he cheating?
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Well, I am, and I'm still losing.
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Me too.
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Deal again.
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Certainly.
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This is Didymus from Labyrinth.
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And then finally, a 120 -foot -high
monster from...
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The Monster Maker.
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Oh, Jojo, you should know enough not to
be frightened by big puppets.
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That wasn't me, sir.
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That was the English me.
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Okay.
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Well, this is the Heartless Giant from
the Storyteller series, Jojo.
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Now, it's what we call a full -figure
puppet. Now, there's an actor inside
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animating the suit, you see.
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But before he can do that, he has to be
padded out and then dressed in very
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loose -fitting clothes, extra large
shoes and jacket.
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Then a special head mask, which fits
over his own head, is worn.
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It's made so that his own eyes fit in
the openings of the mask.
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So his eyes become the giant's eyes.
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Also, by moving his mouth, it operates
the mouth of the mask.
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Now, here he is fully dressed in the
studio.
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Now, all those cables you see are
operating the expressions of his face.
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But he still looks normal size.
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But on the screen, he looks like this.
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Now, a large foot and hand had to be
made for certain scenes.
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In fact, the hand had to be big enough
to pick up a person.
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Prince Leo.
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Yes, it is you.
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I can see now.
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Oh, what in the world is that?
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I am the Ultra Gorgon.
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Dog, cut that out.
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Sorry.
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Actually, JJ, this is the altar gorgon
from Monster Maker.
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Come closer.
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Why don't you believe in me?
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I do. I do.
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Look as close as you like.
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You're not dreaming now.
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Look!
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Chanty didn't create me. You did.
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No. In your dreams, you've got the
talent.
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It's a gift.
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No!
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Oops.
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Sorry.
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What do you say?
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Don't you want to be rich?
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Famous? No!
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Coward!
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Okay. Well, hey, listen, John, thank you
very much. It's been really a pleasure.
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Pleasure. Okay.
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Come on, JoJo. Let's go.
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Hey, JoJo. Huh?
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Oh!
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You're the dog from the storyteller!
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Of course.
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Come on, JoJo. You're late for this
week's meeting of the OMD.
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The OMD, the organization of Muppet
Dogs.
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I don't believe it! Hi, guys!
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And as president of the OMD, I'd like
you all to welcome our newest member,
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JoJo.
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Now let's hear it for Muppet Dogs. Do
Muppet Dogs need puppy shots?
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No. Do Muppet Dogs need walks?
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No. Do Muppet Dogs need peep?
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For training.
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No, certainly not. We just need
occasional dry cleaning.
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Come on, Jojo.
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Oh, I'm sorry, guys. I gotta be going.
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Gone,
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gone.
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So, here we are.
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Did you miss us, Lion? Any phone calls?
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See, wasn't that easy?
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And we didn't even have to stand in line
to show our passports.
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Okay. So now you've seen the Muppet
workshops.
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You know, Mr. H, with all those
brilliant puppet builders, it's no
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Muppets can do anything.
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Uh, actually, no, we can't.
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Oh, save the false modesty, sir. I watch
you on television all the time, and I
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know. Well, you see, you just said it
yourself. You watch them on television.
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This may be one of the major secrets of
the Muppets. See, we combine all the
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tricks of puppetry with all the tricks
of film and television.
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I think we'll need a demonstration of
that one.
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Okay. Let's take one of our regular
characters. Say, for example, Gonzo.
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Gonzo? What about Gonzo?
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Well, Gonzo doesn't have real hands.
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Does not have real hands? Wait a minute.
That's a ludicrous thing to say.
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This man is deranged. Of course I have
real hands. Look, see? They're just
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little bits of fur fabric that are
controlled by arm wires.
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Arm wires?
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Arm wires? That's ridiculous. Do you see
any arm wires?
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Never mind.
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So, if we want to have Gonzo do
something really simple, say, for
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answer the telephone.
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Well, this is what we have to do. We
have to have him reach over and place
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hand on the receiver.
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Then we stop tape, attach the hand to
the phone, move the camera to another
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angle, and tape Gonzo picking up the
phone.
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It looks something like this.
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Hello?
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And there was the tape edit. Did you
notice it? No, I did not. There is no
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edit. I can pick up the phone any time I
want.
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Ah!
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Hello? You don't say.
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Hello?
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You don't say.
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Hello? You don't say.
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Who was it? He didn't say.
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You really notice the tape edits when
you do several in a row.
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Cuzzle, you know better than that.
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Never leave the room while your hand is
still glued to the telephone.
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We recently did a story called The Song
of the Cloud Forest.
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Tell you what, Jojo, let me take you
onto the set and show you some things.
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Okay. Watch this, folks. These tape
edits can let you travel back in time,
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So this is where we shot The Song of the
Cloud Forest.
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Doesn't look much like a forest, Mr. H.
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This may not, but how about this?
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In this show, there were no actual sets
at all.
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We shot all of the puppets against black
or blue.
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And then the jungle sets were added
later by one of our new tools, an
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graphics system called the Paint Box.
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Now, this system is set up especially to
create graphics for television.
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Using something called a light pen, we
could draw the forest right onto the
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screen.
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Here, my daughter Cheryl, who was one of
the art directors on the show,
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discusses a shot with computer artist
John Simmerod.
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And here, the computer is showing us its
library of images that we will combine
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with puppetry to create the final shots.
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One of my favorite sequences in the
story occurs when Wolf and Milton jump
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of a tree. In the studio, the puppeteers
watch the monitor to see a rough
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approximation of the shot.
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In the editing room, All of these
elements were manipulated and combined
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the final program.
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The finished scene looked like this.
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Come on, let's go.
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Go where?
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Well, concentrate.
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To the forest floor. I've got to get
down there and get my act together.
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I think you need to talk to your
friends, Milton.
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Good idea. Hang on.
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see it coming. Here I am five years
without a date, and I'm acting like
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everything's hunky -dory.
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Oh, don't blame yourself, Milton.
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It's not a question of blame. I'm just
not mentally prepared for extinction.
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Hey, this is great.
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It's all done with video effects, right?
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You think so, huh?
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No question about it, sir.
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Oh, you take a character like that from
Fraggle Rock, right?
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You got it, pooch. I'm a doozer. In
fact, I'm one of the really... important
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doozers. I'm a bulldozer.
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Ignoring that joke, I shall now explain
how that character works.
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See, he's really not here at all. He's
really probably about three feet tall,
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and he's being photographed in front of
a blue wall. And then with that... Whoa!
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Doesn't that make you so mad you could
chase cars?
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Put me down, you big bearded bully. I'm
spinning my wheels.
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Sorry, I was just trying to make a point
here.
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Sometimes the tricks we use aren't film
tricks at all.
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On Fraggle Rock, we had these little
tiny guys named Doozers. We also had
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great big characters named Gorgs. And
this is how we did them.
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The Gorgs of Fraggle Rock are a
remarkable combination of puppetry,
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technological wizardry, and they're
among the most sophisticated puppets
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ever created.
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We needed giant characters who had
complete freedom of movement and at the
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time expressive faces, and we needed to
find a way to allow two performers to
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control the same puppet.
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The three giant costumes are worn by
performers who are skilled in dance and
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body movement.
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The costume will permit them to make the
oversized, almost slapstick movements
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required of the characters.
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Now, when you're wearing one of these
gorg heads, it's very difficult for the
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performer inside to see out, so we
devised something we call gorg vision.
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We have a little tiny television camera
that's located here looking out of the
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gorg's eye, and that transmits a picture
that goes down to a monitor that's
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mounted right in front of the
performer's eyeball.
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Not only does this permit him to see,
but it raises his sight line to Gorg's
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height. So when he looks at something,
the character's eyes also seem to look
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it.
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Now suited up, the performer inside will
create half of the Gorg's performance,
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the movements of the arms, legs, and the
body.
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The other half of the performance is
created by the puppeteers, while they
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operate a specially designed radio
remote control, which controls the eyes
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mouth of the Gorgs.
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Now that you know the secrets of the
Gorgs, watch as six performers bring
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characters to life. Come to my heart,
we'll never part.
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Now is the time for true loving to
start.
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Laughter and loving alive in our hearts.
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These are the gifts that I give to thee.
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Gifts from the dear heart of me. The
very same mitten -like rig that we use
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work the mouths of the giant Gorgs is
used to articulate the head, face, and
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body movements of the tiny doozers.
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Look at the chrome on that thing, huh?
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Look at the gears and the wheels.
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It's just incredible.
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And sometimes it's another. And
sometimes you can't tell which is which.
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So long now.
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Doesn't it make you feel like your brain
has turned to kibbles?
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Well, don't worry about that doozer,
Jojo. I just sent him off to Muppet
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Central. Please, sir, don't give away
the secrets of the Muppets.
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00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:21,920
No, no, no, no, no.
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00:31:22,260 --> 00:31:26,840
Um, sir, it strikes me that revealing
the secrets of the Muppets... Hi, Vicki.
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How are you?
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00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,700
Oh, you surprised me. Sure, you were...
Surprised I knew your name, right? Well,
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it's not just that. I'm just very jumpy
tonight.
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All this talk about electronic effects
and arm wires, it's very unsettling
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and... Oh, Fidget, what are you doing?
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Pay no attention to this semi -robotic
person on your right.
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Well, what's all this about?
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Oh, Vicki, I'm learning to work puppets.
Isn't it great?
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How do puppets ride bicycles?
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Well, now you've asked the big one.
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Because ever since the day the Muppet
movie premiered in 1979, people have
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asking me to explain how the Muppets
ride bicycles.
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Well, here's Kermit taking his first
ever bicycle ride in the Muppet movie.
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Now, he's a marionette here.
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That's a puppet that's worked on strings
from above.
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And the marionettist is riding in a
crane high overhead.
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Now, we would constantly intercut this
shot with a shot of a hand puppet
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of Kermit.
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And for the hand puppet version, I would
actually operate Kermit on a little low
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rolling dolly.
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But then when we got to the Great Muppet
Caper, we decided that bicycles were
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fun for Muppet.
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So first of all, we did a bicycle shot
with just Kermit and Piggy.
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And we found as soon as we did two
bicycles, it was really easy.
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Because then we didn't have to worry
about holding the bicycle up because we
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could tie the two bicycles together
across the axle.
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And once they were attached together
with a stiff rod, then we could just
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both bicycles with a single string.
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Then we could edit that shot to a shot
of Kermit in the foreground, operated as
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a hand puppet, and Miss Piggy being
marionette -controlled behind him.
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So we did several versions of that, and
we were constantly intercutting one way
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of working the character with another
way.
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And that's how we could get a full range
of emotions and shots.
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Watch the wind play tag in the trees.
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The world is so bright, so perfectly
fair.
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Now when we needed to show a whole group
of characters, we just tied all the
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bicycles together with rods.
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If you look closely, you can see a rod
going across between the bicycles.
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Then we could radio control the mouths
of the characters and pull the whole
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thing along with strings.
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In this shot, where they're going away
from us, the whole rig is being pulled
473
00:33:59,310 --> 00:34:01,670
from in front by two big tricycles.
474
00:34:01,970 --> 00:34:05,610
You have to look close because they're
way down the road there, but one of
475
00:34:05,610 --> 00:34:07,190
is being ridden by my son Brian.
476
00:34:08,170 --> 00:34:12,870
Then we had a sequence where Kermit and
Piggy rode around in circles, but that
477
00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:15,590
rig was so complicated you're going to
have to figure that one out for
478
00:34:23,550 --> 00:34:29,830
Yes, couldn't we ride, side by side?
479
00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:48,929
Look, Ma, no brains!
480
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:09,360
of tricks we haven't even talked about
yet.
481
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,580
For instance, on the storyteller, we
take John Hurt and turn him into a kind
482
00:36:13,580 --> 00:36:14,538
a half puppet.
483
00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:15,920
It's called prosthetic makeup.
484
00:37:09,970 --> 00:37:12,210
Well, sir, we've seen it all now.
485
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:15,790
Well, you haven't seen much about our
puppeteers yet. What about them?
486
00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:19,090
Well, our puppeteers are probably the
greatest secret we've got.
487
00:37:19,470 --> 00:37:20,830
You jest, sir.
488
00:37:21,050 --> 00:37:22,050
Not at all.
489
00:37:22,290 --> 00:37:26,290
All that technology helps, but the
biggest secret of all is that behind the
490
00:37:26,290 --> 00:37:28,330
scenes, we've got a team of really great
performers.
491
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:32,710
If you'd widen the shot for a second,
you see, Jojo, you, for instance, are
492
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:34,150
performed by Camille Bonora.
493
00:37:34,750 --> 00:37:35,569
You're on!
494
00:37:35,570 --> 00:37:36,570
Say something!
495
00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:37,670
Hi, Tim.
496
00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:43,860
And now let's see some of the performers
in Muppet Central.
497
00:37:44,860 --> 00:37:46,140
That's it. Show's over.
498
00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:50,720
Thanks for watching. You can turn off
your set now. Go read a book or
499
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:54,000
No, no, don't go. I'm going to tell all
of our secrets, and we're going to start
500
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:54,959
with Waldo.
501
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,960
Waldo? What a fabulous idea.
502
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,580
Explaining Waldo will take the rest of
the hour.
503
00:38:00,420 --> 00:38:01,460
Come on out, Waldo.
504
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,000
Oh, yes, sir.
505
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,840
Waldo reporting for duty, sir.
506
00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:08,900
You may tell any secret about me you
desire.
507
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,900
All right, you are a computer -generated
graphic.
508
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:13,260
That is correct.
509
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,800
Go ahead, take your best shot.
510
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:19,340
Well, you're manipulated by a puppeteer,
but you only exist as electronic
511
00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:21,220
information on a television screen.
512
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:25,980
Sticks and stones can't break my bones,
and facts will never hurt me.
513
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,700
I can see that, Waldo.
514
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,200
In fact, my life is an open book.
515
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,360
How does he do that?
516
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,400
Well, come on, Jojo, I'll show you. It's
time for the next tape edit.
517
00:38:39,980 --> 00:38:42,440
at Pacific Data Images in Sunnyvale,
California.
518
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,760
Come on, JoJo.
519
00:38:44,940 --> 00:38:48,440
Wow, the world seems so small when you
travel this way.
520
00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:51,740
Hey, aren't I matted into this shot?
521
00:38:52,380 --> 00:38:53,960
I'm getting the hang of this.
522
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,840
So, JoJo, do you recall seeing one of
these before?
523
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,360
Sure. That's the electronic mitten thing
you use to run the radio -controlled
524
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,620
puppets like the Doozers.
525
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,380
Well, it's a version of it. But in this
case, what we're doing is we're using it
526
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:09,100
to create the picture of Waldo on the
computer screen over there.
527
00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:14,260
But now, normally, Steve Whitmire, one
of our chief puppeteers, is operating
528
00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:15,078
this guy.
529
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,120
But I'll just do it to demonstrate it.
And over here, we have Rex Grignion, who
530
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,460
is our computer animator.
531
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,220
Okay, and what Rex is doing is he's
taking these moves that I'm doing with
532
00:39:24,220 --> 00:39:27,940
hand and converting it into Waldo on the
screen there. See?
533
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,080
And the really great thing is that the
computer does it all in real time.
534
00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:36,100
As Jim moves his hand around in the
puppet, the image of Waldo flies around
535
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:37,100
the screen, too.
536
00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:41,430
but what you get is a moving television
picture.
537
00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:43,090
Say, listen, Jojo.
538
00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:45,410
Have you ever seen a computer graphic
sneeze?
539
00:39:45,850 --> 00:39:46,828
Uh, no, sir.
540
00:39:46,830 --> 00:39:49,850
Well, it's one of the wonderful sights
of the world. Let me tell you. Watch
541
00:39:49,850 --> 00:39:51,030
this. Here we go.
542
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:53,730
Oh,
543
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:56,750
my goodness. You seem to sneeze your
skin off.
544
00:39:56,990 --> 00:40:00,210
Yes, well, I'm sort of a wireframe now.
Isn't that wonderful?
545
00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:10,200
The picture view still looks pretty
terrible.
546
00:40:10,420 --> 00:40:13,620
The image you see on the screen is
called a low -resolution picture.
547
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,340
It's not really that good, but it's
about the best the computer can do in
548
00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:21,400
time. But you see, what we can do is we
can take this crummy -looking low
549
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,620
-resolution picture, and we can run it
through yet another computer into high
550
00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:29,700
-resolution, and it comes out stunningly
beautiful like this.
551
00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:33,540
Come on, JoJo.
552
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:43,190
You know, guys, when we do a two -minute
piece with Waldo, it takes the computer
553
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:45,730
120 hours to create the final picture.
554
00:40:46,430 --> 00:40:50,290
This is more than a simple little
country dog can comprehend, sir.
555
00:40:50,850 --> 00:40:55,050
Okay, but now that we've talked about
Waldo, let's go back to Muppet Central
556
00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:56,330
talk about the rest of the characters.
557
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:58,010
No way.
558
00:40:59,470 --> 00:41:00,750
Bring them back, Kermit.
559
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:02,900
Back in shot, everybody.
560
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,880
Everybody back in the shot. We refuse to
come in. He's not going to come in. No
561
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,220
way. Come on, guys.
562
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,320
Come back in. It's Jim's orders.
563
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,000
Get back in here, everybody.
564
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,280
All right.
565
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,240
He's not going to do it, is he? No, he's
not. He wouldn't. Yeah, but what if he
566
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,560
did? Yeah, but what if he doesn't? What
if he doesn't? First of all, we'll take
567
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,820
away all the computer animation of
Muppet Central.
568
00:41:25,780 --> 00:41:28,500
And now, we just pull back to see the
puppeteers.
569
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,120
No, don't do that!
570
00:41:38,540 --> 00:41:40,720
main puppeteers of Muppet television.
571
00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:45,360
Yuck. And the one under me is Jim
Henson, but you probably already know
572
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,360
think they do.
573
00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:51,140
Okay, and then the man with the beard,
operating beard, is Mr. Jerry Nelson.
574
00:41:51,580 --> 00:41:53,400
Oh, I just want to say one.
575
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:57,140
Are you listening? This is very Uhtra.
576
00:41:57,540 --> 00:42:01,680
Yeah, beard, but the one thing you've
got to remember is that Uhtra's in.
577
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:07,330
Yeah, exactly. Whatever that means. Oh,
I hate this. I hate it, I tell you. And
578
00:42:07,330 --> 00:42:11,370
then operating gonzo is Mr. Dave Gold.
Well, the thing to remember here is that
579
00:42:11,370 --> 00:42:15,090
my own personality has absolutely
nothing to do with this weirdo. Oh,
580
00:42:15,150 --> 00:42:17,250
right. Sure, they believe that, Dave.
581
00:42:17,850 --> 00:42:20,690
Okay, and here with Vicki is Miss Fran
Brill.
582
00:42:21,010 --> 00:42:23,130
Who understands my every motivation.
583
00:42:23,950 --> 00:42:27,330
I try, Vicki. God knows I try, but she's
so unpredictable.
584
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:32,130
Okay, and over here with Bean Bunny is
Mr. Steve Whitmire.
585
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:34,790
Well, Bean Bunny's a lot more
comfortable on camera than I am.
586
00:42:35,050 --> 00:42:36,750
Yeah, I'm a lot cuter, too.
587
00:42:37,150 --> 00:42:38,570
Oh, that's for sure.
588
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:43,990
Okay, and here with Leon, Mr. Kevin
Clash. Yeah, for the first time I've
589
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:45,170
Leon's tail in the shot.
590
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:47,730
Yeah, now let's get our tails out of
here.
591
00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:49,690
Okay,
592
00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:52,410
and so there you have it, ladies and
gentlemen.
593
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,540
These are the Muppet performers.
594
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:56,060
Oh, yeah!
595
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:26,060
decisions. I go by my own rules.
596
00:43:26,340 --> 00:43:30,000
I gotta live the life I want to. I'm no
fool.
597
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:31,300
There you go.
598
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,580
Sometimes muddy water winds up on my
path.
599
00:43:37,060 --> 00:43:38,060
Let me
600
00:44:27,210 --> 00:44:28,730
Ain't no time to stop.
601
00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:32,690
Smile that smile and take us to the top.
602
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:36,630
When you get that feeling.
603
00:45:11,850 --> 00:45:15,850
And they are the final secret, because
they are the folks behind the fantasy.
604
00:45:16,590 --> 00:45:20,690
Everything back to normal, Kermit? Well,
yeah, I think so, Jim. You know, I
605
00:45:20,690 --> 00:45:24,870
think everything is back to normal. I
hope so. So do I. I couldn't take it
606
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:26,830
anymore. Looks normal to me.
607
00:45:27,450 --> 00:45:31,470
Still, I don't dare look down. No, no,
listen, we should promise each other to
608
00:45:31,470 --> 00:45:33,190
never look down ever again.
609
00:45:33,450 --> 00:45:34,450
Yeah.
610
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:36,490
You know, gang, it is okay. Look.
611
00:45:37,330 --> 00:45:38,770
That's what it is. Look, it's all right.
612
00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:43,680
There's no one down there. There's
nothing but floor.
613
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,840
It was all a bad dream.
614
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,200
Yeah.
615
00:45:47,420 --> 00:45:48,420
Yep,
616
00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:50,140
Jim, everything's back to normal.
617
00:45:50,460 --> 00:45:51,940
Well, that's the way it is around this
place.
618
00:45:52,220 --> 00:45:53,900
The fantasy always wins.
619
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,200
Yeah.
620
00:45:56,820 --> 00:45:57,820
Well,
621
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,940
Mr. Henson, I just want to thank you,
sir, for answering all my questions.
622
00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:08,340
It's been a real treat for me.
623
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,080
Well, it's my pleasure, Jojo.
624
00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:11,920
Just one more thing, sir.
625
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:14,080
It's about the white lion.
626
00:46:14,660 --> 00:46:17,640
Well, I don't know why he's there, if
that's what you're asking.
627
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:18,860
No, no.
628
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,340
I was just wondering, sir. Is he a real
lion, or is he a puppet?
629
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:25,900
Well, why don't you ask him yourself on
the way out?
630
00:46:26,260 --> 00:46:28,720
I'll do that, sir. I will indeed.
631
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,020
And thank you. Thank you again.
632
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,160
But be careful. It's his feeding time.
633
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,120
That's our show for tonight. We'll see
you again next time.
634
00:46:44,860 --> 00:46:45,860
Okay.
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