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Surviving progress.
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In defining progress,
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I think it is very important
to make a distinction
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between good progress and bad progress.
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I mean, things progress in
a sense that they change.
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Both in nature and in human society there appears
to be a clear trend towards increasing complexity.
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As change proceeds, we tend to delude ourselves
that these changes always result in improvements.
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....from the human point of view.
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SURVIVING PROGRESS
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We are now reaching a point in which technological
progress and the increase in our economies and our numbers
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threaten the very existence of humanity.
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WHAT IS PROGRESS?
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What is progress.....
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I think..... mhm. That's
too hard question....
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When I think of the word 'progress'...
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Progress will not come easy, it won't come quick,
but today we have an opportunity to move forward.
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It seems we are stuck in this trap for the last
200 years, since the industrial revolution
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where we think progress is
more of the same, like:
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We should make our machines
better and get more machines
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but we've been doing it for 200 years,
so doing more of that is not progress.
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We're like stuck in this
like a record......
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Things are start out to seem
like improvement or progress.
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These things our seductive, there seems
like there is no downside to these
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but when they reach a certain scale they
turn out to be dead ends, more traps.
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PROGRESS TRAPS
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I came up with a term 'progress trap'
to define human behaviors that
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sort of seem to be good things, seem
to provide benefits in a short term
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but which ultimately lead to disaster,
because they are unsustainable.
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One example would be going right
back to the old stone age
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the time of when our ancestors
were hunting mammoths.
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They reached a point, where their weaponry
and hunting techniques got so good
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that they destroyed hunting as a way
of life through the most of the world.
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The people who discovered how to
kill two mammoths instead of one
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had made real progress, but the
people who discovered that they can
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eat very well by driving a whole herd
over a cliff and kill 200 at once
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had fallen into a progress trap
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they'd made too much progress.
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Our physical bodies and physical
brains as far as we can tell
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have changed very little
in past 50 000 years.
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We've only been living in
civilization for the last 5000 years
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...at the most which is less then
0.2% of our evolutionary history.
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So the other 99.8 we were
hunters and gatherers
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and that is the kind of
way of life that made us.
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We are essentially the same people
as those stone age hunters.
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What makes our way of life different from theirs
is that culture has taken off at exponential rate
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and has really become detached
from pace of natural evolution.
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So we are running 21st century
software, our knowledge,
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on hardware that hasn't been
upgraded for 50 000 years
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and this lies at the core
of many of our problems.
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All of this is because our human nature is back
in hunting-gathering era of the old stone age
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whereas our knowledge and technology, in other words, our ability
to do both good and harm to ourselves and to the world in general
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has grown out of whole proportion.
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One thing to remember, of course,
about human mind is that it's not
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that fundamentally different from,
say, a brain of a chimpanzee.
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Most of the human brain, the
basic structure of the brain
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is much older than human species
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some of it goes back to bacteria
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some of it goes back to worm, some
of it originated in first mammals
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some of it within the first primates,
some of it in first human beings.
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Very little however changed
in the last 50 000 years.
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And so most of what we do, we
do with hardware components
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that are much older than any
of the problems that we face.
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When I first began to study chimps
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I thought that the task was to just
map out more and more similarities
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to find the areas of cognition
that hadn't been studied yet
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and simply show that
chimps were just like us.
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WHY
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You can imagine teaching a small
child to stand up a block up right
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and you can teach a chimp
to do the same thing
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'oh I set up a block here, set up a block here,
I can see everything, it�s very, very clear'
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'and I get a piece of fruit for doing it'
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But what happens when you introduce a
small subtlety into the situation
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when you trick them and make the block off
center just that the block keeps falling over.
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Well, the chimp will come
in, set up the good block
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set up the block that
we've tricked them with
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but then it falls over.
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Well the chimp can see that it's
not the way it's supposed to be
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so they try again, and they try again
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and they move it to one place, and
they move it to another place
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and they keep trying to get it to stand up
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because they know what
is supposed to happen.
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But they have no understanding
or no inclination to ask why.
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What unobservable part of the situation is
causing that block to keep falling over.
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The young child will enter
set up the good block
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try to set up the block that
we've tricked them with
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but when it falls over, well
first they'll try again
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then maybe try again, but very quickly they'll
turn it over, feel the bottom of it, shake it,
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try to concern what unobservable property
of that block is causing it to fall over.
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That's the fundamental, core difference,
I believe, between humans and chimps
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that humans ask why, we're constantly probing for
unobservable phenomenon to explain the observable.
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It's what's driven us to discover gravity,
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it's what's driven us to probe
into the mysteries of quasars,
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and it's the same thing that drives us
to probe into mysteries of each other
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in our every day life�s.
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'Why does she keep doing that?'
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'Why does he keep behaving like that, he must think
this, he believe this, I don't understand...'
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'Why, why, why, why...'
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So the upside of the human
capacity that asks why,
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to continuously probe behind appearances
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and to try to find out how
the world really works
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is we develop fabulous new medicines, fabulous new
therapeutic techniques to take care of people,
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we invent the whole cascade
of modern technology.
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But the downside is that
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we invent the whole cascade
of modern technology.
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Arguably we are the most intellectual
creature that ever walked on planet earth.
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So how come then that so intellectual being
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is destroying its only home,
because we only have the one home.
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Maybe one day people will be on Mars, but
at the moment we've got planet earth.
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We are destroying, we are polluting, we are
damaging the future of our own species
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which is very counterproductive
from the evolutionary perspective.
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This capacity that seems
so wonderful to us,
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ability to ask 'why'
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the very ability that
defines modern science
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as a double-edge sword.
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If humans go extinct on this planet
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I think what's gonna be our
epitaph on our gravestone is:
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'Why?'
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We have the ability to
think into the future
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but most of our mechanisms,
most of our brain mechanisms
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evolved before we had any ability
to think forward to the future
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and when it made some sense for
decisions to be short-term.
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A lot of our brain mechanisms, what I call
ancestral mechanisms or reflexive mechanisms
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are tuned to making snap decisions,
right away, like fight or flight
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you see a lion, either you're
gonna fight or you gonna run
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no time to think about
long-term consequences
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and that's good when we're stressed about something
immediate that we can deal with, for example
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but those very systems that work by reflex
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are not so good at cooperating with these
more modern systems, deliberative systems
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that allow us to make
long-term decisions, and say
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is this good for me, is it good
for my society, for my planet.
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NOT ENOUGH PLANETS
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Between the fall of the Roman empire
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and Columbus sailing it took 13 centuries
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to add 200 million people
to the world�s population
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now it takes only 3 years.
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A simple thing like pasteurization, the warming
of milk so that the bacteria are killed
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and the control of smallpox.
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Things like that have led to a
great boom in human numbers.
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Overpopulation, which no one
really wants talk about
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because it cuts that things like religious believes and the
freedom of individual and autonomy of family and so on
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is something that we
will have to deal with.
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We probably have to work towards a much smaller
worldwide population then 6 or 7 billion.
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We probably need to go down to a half
of that or possibly even third of that
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if everybody is going to live
comfortably and decently.
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The other side of this problem
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and perhaps the more dangerous side is
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the footprint of the individuals
at the top of the social pyramids
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who are consuming the most.
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Somebody in the U.S. or Europe is
consuming about 50 times more resources
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then a person in a place like Bangladesh.
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If China is going to reach
the level of consumption
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of the U.S. or Europe it's very unlikely that the world could
support the addition of billion consumers at that level
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I'd say in China, maybe 200, 300
million people are affluent
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they could afford a lot, all
that we can in the west
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in India ca. 200 million, so you add up
this affluent segments of population
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in these developing countries
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but still what you come up with is no more
then one and half, maybe two billion people.
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So there is still five billion people
waiting to tap into these bonanzas
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of plentiful food, cars, decent housing,
right education for their children.
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So the potential demand
for resources is immense.
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For thousands of years, you know,
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China has the longest continuous
civilization in the world.
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And it is only in the recent period of time
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when the European countries
started to industrialize
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that China started to lag
behind and therefore, you know,
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between the First Opium War in
around 1840 all the way to 1978
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China went through a roller coaster of great
humiliation, wars, aggression of foreign nations
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Japanese aggression against China, Civil War, collapse of
Qing Dynasty, great cultural revolution, chaos in China
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that's when Deng Xiaoping reemerged in 1978
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he basically pointed out
the only correct path.
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We need to go out to the path of growth
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and China needs to
modernize and insutrialize.
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NATURAL CAPITAL
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Some people have written about, ehm,
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natural capital, the capital
that nature provides
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which is the clean air and clean water
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the uncut forest, the rich farmland and
the minerals, the oil, the metals,
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all these things are the capital
the nature has provided
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and until about 1980 human
civilization was able to live on
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what we might term interest of that capital
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or surplus that nature was able to produce
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the fruit that farmland can grow without
actually degrading the farmland
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or the number of fish you can put out of sea
without causing the fish stocks to crash
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but since 1980 we've been
using more than the interest
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so we are in effect somebody who thinks he's rich cause he
is spending the money that has been left in his inheritance
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not spending the interest
but eating into the capital.
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The last time I visited the
New York Stock Exchange
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was in 1980 and the mood
sure was different than.
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Government with its high taxes,
excessive spending and over regulation
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had thrown a wrench in the
works of our free markets.
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With tax reform and budget control our economy
will be free to expand to its full potential
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driving the bears back
into permanent hibernation.
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That's our economic programme for next four
years, we're going to turn the ball loose.
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The world is this big.
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It's not this big and it can't be this big.
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It's just this big, it's a finite sub.
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Instead of thinking that nature is
this huge bank that we can just....
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this endless credit card that
we can just keep drawing on.
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We have to think about the
finite nature of the planet
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and how you keep it alive, so
that we too may remain alive.
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And less we conserve the planet there
isn't going to be any "the economy".
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The ice-age-hunter is still us, it's in us.
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Those ancient hunters who thought
that there would always be
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another herd of mammoth other the next hill
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shared the optimism of a stock trader, that there's
always gonna be another big killing on the stock market
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in a next week or two.
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If you are watching the earth over
the last 5 or 6 thousands of years
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and you're speeding up your film
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what you see is civilization
breaking out like forest fires
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in one pristine environment after another
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and after a civilization has arisen as it
burnt out natural resources in that area
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than it dies down and another
fire breaks out somewhere else.
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And now of course we have one huge
civilization around the world
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which we have to confront the possibility
that the entire experiment of civilization
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is in itself a progress trap.
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"When will the economy
turn around?" "yeah."
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"I'm not an economist, but I do believe we are
growing and I can remember this press conference"
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"saying about recession as
if you were economists."
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"I'm an optimist, I believe there is a
lot of positive things for the economy."
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Faith in progress has become
a kind of religious faith
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a sort of fundamentalism rather,
like market fundamentalism
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that have just recently crashed and burned.
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The idea that you can let market leap
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is a delusion just like
the idea that you could
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let technology leap and it will solve
the problems created by itself
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in a slightly earlier phase.
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That has become a belief very
similar to religious delusions
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that caused some societies to
crash and burn in the past.
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A SHORT HISTORY OF DEBT
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Written records go back
about four thousand years
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and from 2000 BC to the time of Jesus it was
normal for all of the countries in the world
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to periodically cancel the debts
when they became too large to pay
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so you have Sumer, Babylonian,
Egypt, other regions
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all proclaiming these debt cancellation and
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the effect was to make a clean slate so
that society would begin all over again.
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This was easy to do in a society when
most debts were owed to the state
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it became much harder to do when enterprise
and credit pasted out of the hand of state
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into the private hands, into
the hand of an oligarchy
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and the last thing that they
wanted was to have a king
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that would actually cancel the
debts and restore equality
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Rome was the first country of the
world not to cancel the debts.
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It went to war in Sparta, in Greece to
overthrow the governments and kings
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that wanted to cancel the debts.
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The wars of the first century BC ended up
stripping these countries of everything they had.
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it's stripped the public buildings,
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it's stripped the economies off
their reproductive capacity
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it's stripped them of their works
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it made a desert out of the land
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and it said: "a debt is a debt".
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The collapse seems to
have been closely linked
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to ecological devastation which led to also
social and economic and military problems.
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In the early stages of the
Roman Republic you had
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a fairly egalitarian land owning system
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the peasants had access to public land
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but as the Roman state became more
powerful and the lords the generals
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began to appropriate public land
for their own private states
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more and more peasants became landless
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at the same time corrosion was
serious problem, so bad that
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some of the Roman ports stilled up with top soil that
have been washed down from fields into the river.
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Archeologists have been able to establish how badly
degraded much of Italy was by the fall of Roman empire
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and how it took a thousand years
of much reduced population
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during the middle ages for
fertility in Italy to rebuild.
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What was absolutely new in a Roman Empire was irreversible
concentration of wealth at the top of economic pyramid
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and that what's progress
has met ever since.
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Progress has ment: "you will never
get back what we take from you".
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That's what brought on the dark age and
that's what threatens to bring dark age again
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if society doesn't realise that if it lets the
wealth to concentrate in the hands of financial class
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this class is not going to be any
more intelligent in long term
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in disposing of the wealth then predecessors
were in Rome, and other countries.
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Well, the term oligarchy,
sounds a little esoteric
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it just means a small groups of people
that got a lot of political power
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based on their economic power.
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We like to think that the U.S. is much more democratic,
much more spread out, in terms of who has the power
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and oligarchy is something usually
associated with relatively poor countries
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but that view has to be updated, because
we've got an essential part of that problem
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of that structure in the
United States today.
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People who have all this economical power
were in financial sector, it was Wall Street.
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Wall Street became really powerful, they use
that power to buy influence in Washington
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get more deregulation, so to get more of
the play field shaped in a way they wanted
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which is no government intervention,
no restrictions on what they wanna do.
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That'd enable them to make a lot more money
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which bought them more political power and
this went on for considerable period of time
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until of course there
was an enormous crash.
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But basically you come to us today on your bicycles after
buying girl-scout cookies and helping out Mother Teresa
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telling us: "we are sorry", "we didn't mean
it", "we won't do it again", "trust us".
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Well, I have some people at my constituancy
that actually robbed some of your banks
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and they say the same thing! They're sorry, they didn't
mean it, they won't do it again, just let'em out.
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Do you understand that this is a little difficult for most
of my constituants to take that you learned your lesson.
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The bankers can't stop themselves.
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It's in their DNA, in DNA of their organizations to take
massive risks, to pay themselves ridiculous salaries
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and to collapse. And the more that reasonable, responsible
people at the center and the left and the right
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see this, the closer we'll get to constrain the
power of these, out of control, factual oligarchs.
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It's not a mystery, it's not a surprise, we
know we have crisis every 5 or 10 years.
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My daughter called me from
school one day and said:
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"Dad what's a finansial crisis",
I tried to be funny, I said:
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"It's something that happens every
5 or 7 years", than she said:
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"Why everybody is so suprised?", so
we aren't, we shouldn't be suprised
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I read scroll on the wall somewhere, that
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everytime history repeats
itself the price goes up.
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If you look at the increasing
complexity of civilization
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what you can see is that towards
the end of classic Maya period
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it is the enormous amount of effort
put to build palaces and temples
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that were controlled entirely by nobility and from
which, what I imagine, the peasantry was excluded
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just as ordinary folks are excluded from
gated communities in many countries today
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and one imagines also that
therefor the people at the bottom
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were becoming more and more
disenchanted with the rulers
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as they felt that the social
contract, that had once existed,
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that the rulers were the mediators
between the gods and themselves
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and would help them get good
weather, good crops and all that
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as they saw that begining to break down
and their rulers in effect loosing touch
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with the people who they claim to represent
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it's the pattern I think we can
see a lot in the modern world now.
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Every society in history for
the last 4 thousand years
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has found that debts grow more
rapidly that people can pay
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the problem is a small oligarchy of
10% of the population on the top
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to whom all of these debts are owed to.
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You want to annule the debts to the top
10%, thats what they're not going to do.
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The oligarchy is running things.
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They would rather annule the bottom 90% right to
live then to annule the money thats due to them
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they would rather strip the planet and
shrink the population and be paid
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rather then give up their claims.
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That's the political
fight of the XXI century.
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DEBT PUSHERS
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Our job on Wall St. was to balance the payments of
economies for Chase Manhattan Bank in the 1960's.
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My first job there was to calculate how
much debt could third world countries pay
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and the answer was, well,
how much do they earn,
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and whatever they earn, that's what
they could afford to pay in interest
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our objective was to take the entire
earnings of a third world country
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and say, ideally, that would
be all paid as interest to us.
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Look, don't give me a hard look
story, I hear them every day
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and quite frankly they bore me.
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The facts are simple: İn 1973 this bank gave
you a loan and you still haven't paid it back.
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Admittedly you paid back the
inital sum, but not the interest
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which to date amounts to nine times
the amount origianaly borrowed.
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Nine times
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so you better get your act
together, times are tough,
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and we all having to clamp down
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and don't look at me like that,
this is a bank, not a charity.
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The number 1 costs for foreign lending through
some of the multilateral associations.
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IMF or World Bank is the
death tomb on the continent.
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We can look at the support of the dictators
that took place thirty years ago
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from 1960 till 1997, of a brutal dictator.
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He was given humengous loans.
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Everyone knew he wasn't using
that for the population
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he was propped up as one of the biggest
leader in the whole african continent.
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While your country is
young, only 10 years of age
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that it is had a period of
progress in that period,
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which has been an example for
nations throughout the world.
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You have moved forward economicaly, you
have estabilished unity in your country
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and you have a vitality, which impresses
every visitor when he comes to Congo.
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What is interesitng is all the money
and plunder from all iternational debt
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is found in western banks, so
as he was removed from power
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the money never returned to the Congies.
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The population didn't have
access to medical services
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didn't have access to adequate
education, living wage and
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calculating up to date, now
Congo has 14 bln dollar debt
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structure and the weight where the people
do not benefit and human cost is so high.
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In Congo we have 6 million
deaths since 1996.
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Rich countries lend, so called, "developping
countries" a big wack of "money".
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Debt is incurred on behalf of people who have nothing
to do with it and don't know anything about it.
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Then they are expected to pay the price by scraping
off their livelihood turning it into money.
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Giving it to somebody else...
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Howcome the money given to
common benefit of the people
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use some of the funds to make sure that there
are strongest against secesion in the country
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protecting against human rights violation,
so many other issues that we face
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but these funds are not used for
that because whatever is given
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they tell you specifically what
project you have to use it for
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and mainly is usually mining
projects to get access to resources.
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DIGGING HOLES
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You can relate to the destruction of the rainforest in
Brasil directly to the Wall St. and London financial sector
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the story begins in 1982 whe countries
couldn't pay their debts any more
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and the result is that Latin American coutries
generally stopped paying because they said
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we're already paying all of the balance
of payments surplus we have to the banks
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we don't have any money to import,
to sustain living standards
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we don't have money to import, to
build new factories to pay the debt
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so the IMF at that point said:
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Don't go bankrupt! You have an option, you
can begin to sell off the public domain
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you have plenty of assets to sell to pay us
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you can sell off your water rights, your forests, your
subsoil mineral resources, you can sell us your oil rights
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and so Brazil, Argentina and other countries began
to sell off their resources to private investors
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and private investors bought
these resources on credit.
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MARINA SILVA.
- FORMER MINISTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT, BRAZIL
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RAQUEL TITSON-QUEIROZ.
- ENVIRONMENTAL POLICE OFFICER IBAMA
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ENITO BEATA - SAWMILL OWNER
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They're cutting down the rainforest,
they're emptying out the economy
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they're turning it to a hole in the ground to repay
the bankers, that's the financial buisness plan
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that's how it ends up because the
bankers goal is take their money
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and begin digging holes in another
country and empyting out that country
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that's the global financial system.
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The economists say: İf you clearcut the forest,
take the money, and put it in the bank
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you can make 6 or 7%.
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If you clearcut the forest, put it into
Malysia or smth you can make 30 or 40%.
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So who cares whever you keep the forest,
cut it down, put the money somewhere else
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when those forests are gone, put it in fish,
the fish are gone, put it in computers.
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Money doesn't stand for anything and money
now grows faster then the real world.
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Conventional economics is
a form of brain damage.
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DAVID SUZUKI - GENETICIST/ACTIVIST
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Economics is so fundamentally
disconnected from the real world
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it is destructive.
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If you take an introductory
course in economics
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the professor in the first lecture
will show a slide of the economy
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and it looks very impressive, you know, raw material,
extraction processes, manufacture, wholesale, retails,
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with arrows going back and forward
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00:56:03,028 --> 00:56:05,868
and they try to impress you because
they think that they know damn well.
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00:56:07,036 --> 00:56:12,636
Economics is not a science but they're trying to fool
us into thinking that it is a real science. It's not.
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Economics is a set of values that they then try
to use mathematical equations and all that stuff
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and pretend that it's a science.
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But if you ask the economist in that
equation where do you put the ozone layer
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where do you put the deep underground
aquafiers of fossil water
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where do you put topsoil or
biodiversity, their answer is:
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Oh, those are externalities.
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Well, then you might as well be on Mars.
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That economy is not based in
anything like a real world.
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It's life that filters
water in hydrologic cycle
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it's microrganisms in the soil that create
the soil that we can grow our food in
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nature performs all kinds of services
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insects fertilize all
of the flowering plants
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these services are vital to
the health of the planet
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economist call these externalities.
That's nuts!
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Unlimited ecoomic progress in the world of
finite natural resources doesn't make sense.
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It's a pattern that is bound to colapse
and we keep seeing it collapsing
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but then build it up because there
are these strong vested interests
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we must have buisness as usual
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and you know, you got, the arms manufacturers,
the petroleum industry, pharmaceutical industry
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00:57:54,580 --> 00:57:59,580
and all of this feeding into helping
to create corrupt governemnents
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who are putting the future
of their own people at risk.
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00:58:07,564 --> 00:58:12,079
You can imagine lilies growing in a pond.
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Lilies grow very rapidly,
they double every day
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they're going to cover the whole surface and there
won't be any way for the fish getting oxygen
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and all the life is going
to die in the pond
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that's how rapidly things can grow.
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One day you are half full of lilies
and the next day you're dead.
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You could say that today we're at the
point in which the lily pond is half full
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the life is being snuffed out of national
economies and the debt goes on doubling
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how long can it do it.
It has one day to go.
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All the civilizations of the past and, I
think our own, only seem to be doing well
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when they're expaning, when the population is
growing, when the industrial output is growing
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and when the cities are spreading out.
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00:59:20,116 --> 00:59:23,816
Eventualy you reach the point at which
the population has overrun everything.
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The cities have expanded over the farmland
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the people at the bottom begin to starve and
the people at the top loose their legitimacy
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00:59:37,132 --> 00:59:38,812
and so you get hunger, you get revolution.
443
01:00:09,268 --> 01:00:12,368
Now, one scary thing about
the moment we're in is that
444
01:00:12,369 --> 01:00:16,168
for the first time there
is kind of only one system
445
01:00:18,144 --> 01:00:26,844
so if the whole thing goes down, you won't have
what you've had in previous eras of epic collapse
446
01:00:26,884 --> 01:00:31,084
which is that even if one civilization goes
down and it may take a while to recover
447
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:36,760
there are other robust civilizations
that can be guardians of progress.
448
01:00:37,224 --> 01:00:39,664
ROBERT WRIGHT.
- AUTHOR OF NONZERO: THE LOGIC OF HUMAN DESTINY
449
01:00:41,980 --> 01:00:44,880
In that sense some of the things that
have been reassuring in the past
450
01:00:45,508 --> 01:00:49,208
about progress don't necesserily
apply to the current situation
451
01:00:49,992 --> 01:00:54,392
'cause once you get to the global level
you've only got one experiment working.
452
01:00:58,208 --> 01:01:01,808
That's just the inevitable combination
of its growth ever since the stone age
453
01:01:02,516 --> 01:01:04,716
and there were waystations
like the Roman empire
454
01:01:05,424 --> 01:01:08,724
and now here we are and more and
more people, we're in the same boat
455
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:14,440
and they face problems and either they will
solve them together or suffer together
456
01:01:14,441 --> 01:01:16,636
possibly on a catastrophic scale.
457
01:01:16,856 --> 01:01:18,356
ESCAPING THE TRAP
458
01:01:24,128 --> 01:01:29,328
We are entering an increasingly
dangerous period of our history
459
01:01:34,180 --> 01:01:42,380
our genetic code still caries the selfish and agressive
intincts that were survival advantage in the past
460
01:01:43,204 --> 01:01:44,704
but I'm an optimist.
461
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,161
STEPHEN HAWKING - THEORETICAL PHYSICIST
462
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:03,420
If we are the only inteligent beings in the galaxy
we should make sure we survive and continue.
463
01:02:14,308 --> 01:02:20,608
If we can avoid diseaster for the next
two centuries our species should be safe.
464
01:02:26,288 --> 01:02:30,888
We have made remarkable progress
in the last hundred years.
465
01:02:41,255 --> 01:02:47,655
Our only chance of going through survival
is not to remain on planet earth
466
01:02:47,848 --> 01:02:49,848
but to spread out into space
467
01:02:58,908 --> 01:03:03,708
I was at the conference a few
years back with George Lukas
468
01:03:04,416 --> 01:03:06,516
and he came up and said
469
01:03:06,852 --> 01:03:10,052
there is only two hopes for humanity.
470
01:03:11,096 --> 01:03:15,396
Either we find another planet to
colonize after we've destroyed this one
471
01:03:16,032 --> 01:03:24,732
or perhaps your technology, meaning what we are doing
with genetic code, might allow us to transform ourselves
472
01:03:25,804 --> 01:03:28,704
or other aspects of the planet
where we can continue to live here.
473
01:03:29,592 --> 01:03:31,092
J. CRAIG VENTER.
- BIOLOGIST / CEO SYNTHETIC GENOMICS
474
01:03:31,008 --> 01:03:35,808
We're here to celebrate the complition of
the first survey of the entire human genome
475
01:03:35,816 --> 01:03:42,816
without a doubt this is the most important,
most wondrous map ever produced by human kind.
476
01:03:43,308 --> 01:03:48,908
We are announcing today that the first time our species
can read the chemical letters of its genetic code.
477
01:03:52,708 --> 01:03:57,708
For the last several years my team
has been sailing around the world
478
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:02,540
looking for all the species in the
ocean, the microspecies, on filters
479
01:04:02,712 --> 01:04:06,412
and we isolate all the DNA,
all at once from all of them
480
01:04:07,228 --> 01:04:09,428
I have a novel way of
looking at these genes
481
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,860
I've use them as the design
components of the future.
482
01:04:14,298 --> 01:04:19,308
It's mind-bugging concept, even
though we're doing it everyday,
483
01:04:20,168 --> 01:04:24,868
that we can simply start with four bottles
of chemicals, write the genetic code
484
01:04:25,020 --> 01:04:29,120
and change the genetic code of species,
basically developing new species
485
01:04:29,528 --> 01:04:36,128
and we can try and find ways to make fuels
that other people haven't even imagined
486
01:04:36,316 --> 01:04:39,016
we can do this with novel source of food
487
01:04:39,228 --> 01:04:44,228
we're limited only by our imagination
and whatever biological reality is
488
01:04:47,523 --> 01:04:53,723
when we consider trying to replace oil,
we use bilions of gallons of oil a year
489
01:04:53,960 --> 01:05:00,360
it's a, I can't even, i think I have pretty good
imagination, envision what a billion gallons of oil is
490
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:09,320
making a billion gallons of oil from invisible
microbs is a certain leap of faith
491
01:05:09,968 --> 01:05:11,608
in fact that's how we proceed in science.
492
01:05:20,452 --> 01:05:25,552
Instead of writing software for computers,
we can now write software for life.
493
01:05:36,992 --> 01:05:44,527
By changing and taking over evolution,
changing the timecourse of evolution
494
01:05:44,528 --> 01:05:48,828
and going into deliberate design
of species for our own survival
495
01:05:50,672 --> 01:05:57,072
at least gives us some points of optimism
that we have a chance to control our destiny.
496
01:05:59,304 --> 01:06:03,004
We're here today to announce
the first synthetic cell.
497
01:06:03,096 --> 01:06:08,996
This is the first self-replicating species that
we've had on the planet whose parent is a computer.
498
01:06:13,008 --> 01:06:14,508
GODS R US?
499
01:06:15,864 --> 01:06:20,164
One of the challanges that
faces the human species is
500
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,000
we're more and more in a
position of acting like gods
501
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,260
it has been true for a while because we have
the ability to change the climate for example
502
01:06:29,908 --> 01:06:33,108
this is gonna be even more
true with genetic technologies
503
01:06:33,604 --> 01:06:36,804
we're gonna be able to manipulate
other species ad eventualy ourselves.
504
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,780
We're gonna be in a position of
controling our own faith in a way that
505
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:47,920
no creature has ever, you know, in billion
years on the planet had an opportunity to do.
506
01:06:50,332 --> 01:06:54,832
I once wrote a poem in
which a mad bishop said
507
01:06:55,032 --> 01:07:00,832
"a man became god, became greater
than god, and the godhood of man"
508
01:07:01,728 --> 01:07:10,828
I do not see anyone living in this materialistic
society as being anything like god
509
01:07:11,088 --> 01:07:12,588
I don't know what god is,
510
01:07:13,036 --> 01:07:21,036
but in my wildest dreams I would never
conceive of god or a god as being like
511
01:07:21,432 --> 01:07:25,732
a modern human being in
a materialistic society.
512
01:07:26,208 --> 01:07:28,208
We're anything but godlike, I think
513
01:07:28,708 --> 01:07:34,608
the challenges are so
overwhelming to all of us
514
01:07:35,716 --> 01:07:42,016
that we're all trying to use whatever new
tools we can to try and change the future.
515
01:07:42,528 --> 01:07:45,028
Synthetic biology is a
progress trap par exellence.
516
01:07:45,528 --> 01:07:47,568
JIM THOMAS.
- ACTIVIST/AUTHOR OF THE NEW BIOMASSTERS
517
01:07:48,152 --> 01:07:52,752
Biologist have pointed out that whese
engineering aproach is all very well
518
01:07:53,256 --> 01:07:58,156
and that engineers can try to treat life as it
was some kind of computer engineering substrate
519
01:07:58,732 --> 01:08:01,632
but ultimately the microbes are
gonna end up loughing at them
520
01:08:01,636 --> 01:08:06,036
the life doesn't work like that.
521
01:08:19,592 --> 01:08:23,192
I think the problems that we're seeing
now whever we are talking about hunger,
522
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:28,000
massive inequity, when we're talking about
climate change or the loss of biodiversity
523
01:08:28,296 --> 01:08:32,796
have been driven over the last 200 years
by a system of overproduction of stuff
524
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,620
and overconsuption of stuff
525
01:08:35,592 --> 01:08:40,692
and that's being inflated and inflated and inflated to a
point where there really is not in any way reasonable
526
01:08:41,136 --> 01:08:47,036
the companies and those of the
governements who supported that approach
527
01:08:47,376 --> 01:08:52,076
are now saying that they will provide new
technologies to continue that consumption of stuff
528
01:08:52,224 --> 01:08:56,124
that level of production.
It's just not realistic.
529
01:08:55,592 --> 01:08:59,092
ExxonMobil and Synthetic Genomics
have built a new facility
530
01:08:59,544 --> 01:09:02,144
to identify the most
productive species of algea.
531
01:09:02,352 --> 01:09:06,052
How'd you imaigne amazing little criters make
crit oil which we could turn into biofuels.
532
01:09:06,388 --> 01:09:10,688
They also absorb CO2. We are hoping to
suplemet fuels that we use in our vehicles
533
01:09:11,096 --> 01:09:14,475
to some day help meet the
words energy demands.
534
01:09:14,476 --> 01:09:19,576
What is harder mapping the entire
genome set that makes up a human being
535
01:09:20,088 --> 01:09:22,588
or making algea produce energy?
536
01:09:22,084 --> 01:09:28,084
Making algea produce energy is not hard but doing
it on a scale required to have a major economic
537
01:09:28,876 --> 01:09:31,576
and environmental impact is
going to be a huge challenge
538
01:09:32,592 --> 01:09:37,892
but have got partner in ExxonMobil to try
and get it to a scale that it needs to be
539
01:09:38,112 --> 01:09:39,612
of billions gallons a year.
540
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,540
A lot of engineering is reqired for
facilities the size of San Francisco
541
01:09:43,992 --> 01:09:45,912
I think that they are
serious and we're serious.
542
01:09:46,656 --> 01:09:52,256
What we're seeing alongside the development of synthetic
biology is a massive corporate grab on plant life.
543
01:09:52,704 --> 01:09:57,104
Literaly speaking that means a grab
on land and a grab on seas as well.
544
01:09:57,936 --> 01:10:02,136
Where people have been moved out of land
to make way for the growing of plant life
545
01:10:02,504 --> 01:10:06,704
that can be transformed into plastics,
chemicals, fuels and so forth
546
01:10:06,868 --> 01:10:12,568
and what drives synthetic biology is not an
attempt to save the planet or help humanity
547
01:10:13,128 --> 01:10:17,328
but an attempt to increase the bottom
line for certain very large corporations.
548
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,460
If we're gonna feed the
upcoming nine billion people
549
01:10:22,344 --> 01:10:31,444
we can't afford to use our prime crop land for trying
to produce billions of gallons of fuel that we use.
550
01:10:31,928 --> 01:10:35,228
What we're doing is writing the
genetic code, changing this species
551
01:10:35,744 --> 01:10:43,244
allows us to use desert land mhm..
we just need sunlight and CO2
552
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,540
for using this new
engineered algea for example.
553
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,760
Synthetic biology in a way, you know, it's frightening
but I'm very sympathetic to this on many ways
554
01:10:53,260 --> 01:10:56,060
that it will be nice to get a
more water efficient plants
555
01:10:56,236 --> 01:10:57,736
but still it would still need water
556
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:02,360
Greg Venter cannot create a plant
which needs no water and no nitrogen
557
01:11:02,424 --> 01:11:04,705
or it totaly fixes on nitrogen
by sucking it from the air
558
01:11:05,428 --> 01:11:06,928
which is....., it cannot go that far.
559
01:11:07,656 --> 01:11:09,376
This does not fundamentally
change the game.
560
01:11:09,744 --> 01:11:12,944
What fundamentally changes the game
and what people don't want to hear
561
01:11:13,104 --> 01:11:18,604
and I'm telling this all the time and people say: "don't
talk to us like that because it's just a no-starter"
562
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,740
but for me this is the only
starter: We have to use less.
563
01:11:22,896 --> 01:11:24,396
LIMITS
564
01:11:25,512 --> 01:11:28,712
The poor people need more. There is no
noubt, there is no discussion there.
565
01:11:29,140 --> 01:11:34,940
If you are average villiger somewhere in Rajastan
or Panjab or Nigeria u need more. Period.
566
01:11:35,376 --> 01:11:38,676
There's a basic human decency that commends
you to say: These people need more
567
01:11:39,048 --> 01:11:41,769
more clean water, more basic food,
more education for their children
568
01:11:41,984 --> 01:11:43,624
the discussion goes like before it begins
569
01:11:44,928 --> 01:11:50,928
but as far as us is concerned we certainly
could and should use much, much, much less.
570
01:11:51,076 --> 01:11:54,476
People have been conditioned that
things have to always go better
571
01:11:54,744 --> 01:11:59,344
and immediately if you say: "limit something",
people think this is not getting better
572
01:11:59,616 --> 01:12:01,116
but it would be.
573
01:12:00,672 --> 01:12:04,572
It is even a no-starter when you say: You should
eat less, you should eat less meat, right?
574
01:12:04,896 --> 01:12:08,796
Even that is a no-starter. You
should use less electricity, right?
575
01:12:08,952 --> 01:12:12,252
You should build smaller cars. I saw the
vice-president of GM talking about new GM
576
01:12:14,448 --> 01:12:20,648
and one of the journalists asks him: "but your cars are
still so heavy", and he says: "yes, we are working on it"
577
01:12:20,712 --> 01:12:24,612
what is there to work on it?!? There
are so many things that we could do.
578
01:12:25,128 --> 01:12:28,928
Not to surrender our stand of living,
not to live in gutter, right?
579
01:12:29,304 --> 01:12:33,104
But we don't need one-and-a-half ton
car to go from red light to red light.
580
01:12:34,056 --> 01:12:37,256
People are not willing to go back on these things.
Most of them simply aren't
581
01:12:37,588 --> 01:12:39,988
because they've totally hijacked
by this material culture.
582
01:12:40,392 --> 01:12:45,392
Let's not underestimate the persuasion,
the power of this material culture.
583
01:12:45,744 --> 01:12:47,244
It's immense, it's just immense.
584
01:12:47,832 --> 01:12:50,532
When I've seen so many people
being genuinly unhappy
585
01:12:50,496 --> 01:12:56,096
that they cannot afford a 50 000 sq foot,
sorry, 50 000 dollar bathroom remodelling
586
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,580
I mean, there is something wrong
with that values set, right?
587
01:12:59,908 --> 01:13:04,508
'Cause bathroom is a place where you just spend,
like, 10 minutes to take shower, brush your teeth
588
01:13:04,968 --> 01:13:09,968
so it doesn't have to be very... but, you know, how
much money people are.... because I can't... yhm...
589
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:14,800
because we are thinking about redoing our bathroom, right, so..
in my mind... it's very interesting
590
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:20,780
for me it's a char because it has to be done, but for
many people it's a life-affirming thing, you know.
591
01:13:20,784 --> 01:13:25,484
People are renting storage spaces, right?
that they will never access, right?
592
01:13:25,644 --> 01:13:29,444
to store the junk which they cannot
store in their 5000 sq. foot homes
593
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:35,580
so do we need that? It's amazing!
eh.... it's, it's, it's.....
594
01:13:35,792 --> 01:13:41,792
This is very difficult to put the geany in the bottle,
so everything is defined in this material thinking
595
01:13:42,288 --> 01:13:48,388
I could make a lot more coherent but it's difficult because
if you make it more coherent you make it prescriptive
596
01:13:48,312 --> 01:13:51,412
and prescriptions never work, really.
Because I don't have the solution
597
01:13:51,432 --> 01:13:57,132
I can't say "we should follow this and then it
will click and we will live happily everafter"
598
01:13:57,984 --> 01:14:02,384
so I'm making it deliberatly uncoherent. I could
be very doctrinate, I could be, but you see,
599
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:08,040
I lived for 26 years in communist society I'm
inoculated against any doctriner grand solution,
600
01:14:08,424 --> 01:14:12,724
you know, "this is the path, this is the must,
this is the paradigm which we have to follow"
601
01:14:12,912 --> 01:14:16,912
I'm just totally set agains it, so I'm
making deliberatly, kind of, you know,
602
01:14:17,088 --> 01:14:22,688
messy, uncoordinated, because that's how life is.
We don't know what path will emerge.
603
01:14:22,848 --> 01:14:29,448
As long as we are living on this sea of
afluents and opportunities and material riches.
604
01:14:29,832 --> 01:14:35,932
It's just very difficult to make this individual,
voluntary resolutes that are saying "enough", "back"
605
01:15:43,588 --> 01:15:46,388
I was walking around pointing my
finger at everybody, you know,
606
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:51,100
you people, you know, blaming
the culture for its consumption
607
01:15:51,464 --> 01:15:58,064
finaly one day I came home and air-conditioners
were on even though there was no one at home
608
01:15:58,968 --> 01:16:02,848
and I was like: Wait, I've been going around blaming
everybody else but the fact of the matter is
609
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,780
that my lifestyle requires a huge amount of
resources too, so how can I blame other people
610
01:16:08,472 --> 01:16:14,572
and I realized that before I go around and try to change
other people maybe I should look at myself and change myself
611
01:16:15,144 --> 01:16:16,644
keep my side of the street clean.
612
01:16:17,976 --> 01:16:23,676
So I came up with this idea that I would live as environmentaly
as possible for a year and see how that affected us.
613
01:16:24,048 --> 01:16:26,608
COLIN BEAVAN.
- ENGINEER / AUTHOR & DIRECTOR OF NO IMPACT PROJECT
614
01:16:26,740 --> 01:16:28,620
So we did this No Impact
experiment, we did it.
615
01:16:29,016 --> 01:16:30,516
We live in New York, in the
middle of the New York City
616
01:16:30,864 --> 01:16:37,264
which made it unussual because most people can think of
environmental living as some kind of back to tha land thing
617
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:42,660
but of course, back to the land, is not the
right idea when it comes to saving our habitat
618
01:16:43,136 --> 01:16:47,536
if all of us in New York were to go back to
the land we would very much destroy the land.
619
01:16:57,100 --> 01:17:00,900
We're not biologicaly consumptive this
is not got to do with human nature.
620
01:17:00,988 --> 01:17:05,388
Human nature is to do what everybody
else does, that's human nature
621
01:17:05,452 --> 01:17:10,052
that we want... and it's wonderful, it's like: I
want to be with you, I want to be the same as you,
622
01:17:10,104 --> 01:17:13,304
I want to love you and I want
you to love me, thats not bad.
623
01:17:13,392 --> 01:17:19,192
So that's... that's also part of the problem.
I want to be the same as you and you consume
624
01:17:19,584 --> 01:17:21,464
so I'm not going to be
the first not to consume.
625
01:17:21,484 --> 01:17:25,384
But it also tells us that if we can move
from non-consumption to consumption,
626
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,001
we can also go from consumtion
back to non-consumption.
627
01:17:36,792 --> 01:17:40,292
We need to begin by saying: We're
at the end of the failed experiment
628
01:17:40,536 --> 01:17:42,136
and it is time to say good bye to it.
629
01:17:42,336 --> 01:17:46,536
An economic experiment, it's a technological experiment
that's been going on for couple of hundred years
630
01:17:46,632 --> 01:17:50,632
and it's not worked, it's brought
us to this point of crisis.
631
01:17:50,812 --> 01:17:58,612
Then we can start sainly and inteligently say how can
we live within the real limits that our planet gives us
632
01:17:58,756 --> 01:18:02,356
and create a safe operating
space for humanity.
633
01:18:03,552 --> 01:18:08,752
Admitedly we've used are brains in ways that are
detrimental to the environment and the society
634
01:18:09,024 --> 01:18:15,124
but brains are begining to get together
around the planet to find solutions to some
635
01:18:15,936 --> 01:18:17,436
of the harm that we've inflicted.
636
01:18:17,976 --> 01:18:22,776
You know, we humans are a problem solving species. We
always do pretty well with our back's to the wall.
637
01:18:23,448 --> 01:18:24,948
THA PLANETARY BRAIN
638
01:18:25,992 --> 01:18:30,592
It's easy now to see kind of a giant
social brain or planetary brain
639
01:18:30,768 --> 01:18:36,568
'cause it's in a physical form of the internet, it looks so
much like a nervous system, you almost can't miss the analogy.
640
01:18:38,928 --> 01:18:46,428
You might say that there always have been a lot of little social brains around the
planet getting bigger, starting to form little interconnections among themselves.
641
01:18:46,944 --> 01:18:52,144
Now more than ever you could tell
that there is a unified social brain.
642
01:19:14,452 --> 01:19:20,752
Even if the overall arc of history is toward an expended moral
horizon, more and more people acknowledging the humanity
643
01:19:21,096 --> 01:19:25,996
more and more different kinds of people, there is always
the risk of backsliding and it can be catastrophic.
644
01:19:26,208 --> 01:19:33,808
From a point of view of strict self-interest it
is imperative that we make further moral progress
645
01:19:34,248 --> 01:19:39,648
that we get more and more people to
acknowledge the humanity of one another
646
01:19:39,696 --> 01:19:41,497
or it will be bad for
pretty much all of them.
647
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:48,040
If we don't develop which you might
call a moral perspective of god
648
01:19:49,152 --> 01:19:57,052
than we'll screw up the engineering part of playing god
because the actual engineering solutions depend on
649
01:19:58,012 --> 01:20:03,712
seeing things from the point of view of other
people, insuring that their lives don't get too bad
650
01:20:04,176 --> 01:20:06,576
because if they do it
will come back to harm us
651
01:20:07,968 --> 01:20:12,668
so, you know, half of being god is just
have been handed to us and the question is
652
01:20:13,224 --> 01:20:18,124
whether we'll master the other
half of being god, the moral half.
653
01:20:23,956 --> 01:20:27,456
The bad news is the enlightment
is sometimes hard to come by
654
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,300
because of human nature in
some cases, because you know,
655
01:20:31,780 --> 01:20:35,780
we've got these kinds of animal minds,
desgined for very different environment
656
01:20:36,244 --> 01:20:44,344
facing novel problems, so enlightment part is going
to require some real education and reflection
657
01:20:44,808 --> 01:20:47,508
and self-discipline and
may not come natural
658
01:20:59,812 --> 01:21:02,112
I think what we’re up against
here is human nature,
659
01:21:02,113 --> 01:21:10,864
we have to reform ourselves, remake ourselves in a way that
cuts against the grain of our, our inner animal nature,
660
01:21:11,116 --> 01:21:19,916
and transcend that Ice Age hunter, that all of us are,
if you, if you strip off the thin layer of civilization.
661
01:21:42,916 --> 01:21:48,516
We always have been the initiators of this experiment,
we’ve unleashed it but we’ve never really controlled it.
662
01:21:48,292 --> 01:21:53,792
But now it’s more likely that we’re going to
come to grief because of environmental problems.
663
01:21:54,000 --> 01:22:02,300
If we do, then that is really nature saying the experiment
of civilization is a failed evolutionary experiment,
664
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:09,160
that making apes smarter is a, is a dead end. So,
it’s up to us to prove nature wrong, in a sense,
665
01:22:09,216 --> 01:22:20,216
to show that we can take control of our own destinies and behave in a wise
way that will ensure the continuation of the experiment of civilization
666
01:23:07,682 --> 01:23:09,182
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