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What happened? Are you a relative?

He came in with a severe asthma attack.

We're talking about Cyril's nervous man. We've given him some of the strongest

medication we can, but he's deteriorating fairly quickly. Cyril!

condition we call dry drowning. He's pulling fluid into his lungs and they're

struggling to control it.

I'm going to take him up to intensive care.

I'm cold.

I'm cold.

I can't breathe.

Hello.

You're right. There's nothing coming out.

You sure?

What about the other door inside the house?

No, it's completely airtight Can you find out when the garage was modified?

We're checking that

How's Cyril?

Cyril Goulding?

He's very poorly.

He gave us a couple of frights in the night.

He can hardly breathe.

You get nothing out of him.

He was that poorly?

I've been checking on him for a criminal record.

Nothing. Then I contacted the regional force at Tunbridge Wells.

Again, nothing criminal, but his name came up attached to this case.

As a witness.

Again? Yeah, but he was only 11 when it happened.

I could see him under the ice, but I couldn't break it.

He was looking at me and I couldn't get to him.

He just went back under and I never saw him again.

Ronald Hinks, December 1954.

Is there any more of this?

The newspaper closed down in 55.

Find the parents of the dead lad.

Track down the reporter and try and get hold of a copy of the coroner's report.

What? I haven't been up all night.

I could do with some sleep.

Fine.

Get rid of it if you drive. Keep in the car.

You all right? Hi.

Milk. There's a word.

Sure.

Now I'll have a coffee.

Please.

I couldn't breathe.

There's nowhere to go.

Is it dark or light?

It's dark.

And you see me there?

I'm seeing it through the clouds.

I don't like the people you're working with.

That's because you don't know them.

Do you want in? No.

That's impossible, sir. We've searched his house. We're watching every bloody

movie he met.

We can't see them!

He's watching them.

You got him?

Hello, yes.

Inspector Dry, are you in the garage?

Yes. Could anyone see in the garage from outside?

There's no view in from the outside.

The door to the house, there's no window in it?

No, there's no window. Has there ever been a window in it?

Yeah, there is a window.

Surveillance is showing that the only journeys he makes are to work, 0900, and

from work, 1730.

And he stops his mate at Sainsbury's, where he buys his food by the day, and

local newsagents, where he buys his paper.

He never buys the paper in the morning.

Always at night.

Now we've got the city engineers going through any archive plans to find any

bolt holes close to Hinks' house.

We've interviewed the mother of an old friend of Hinks, Peter Weller.

They went to school together, best of mates.

Weller fell through the ice of a boating lake, December 1954.

Hinks was there when it happened.

Mrs Weller was far from happy talking about Hinks.

She still blames him for her son's death.

If Ronald Hanks had to watch his friend die at the age of 11, it's feasible that

he or anyone could displace that experience into a need to be with

wanting back the kind of friendship he lost.

And then he kills them.

Possibly.

Am I the only one with reservations about this suspect?

No. What kind of reservations?

I worry that we're putting everything we've got into one suspect.

25 ex -offenders with form for child -related crimes were interviewed by

Park's police, cross -examined by us and discounted.

We're sticking with Hinks because he's the only one moving us on. How?

All we've proved is that Hinks doesn't go anywhere.

He doesn't do anything.

All we know from surveillance is that he isn't making contact with the victims.

I don't understand how we can treat him as the only suspect without a single

scrap of evidence, Cregan.

I share that feeling.

Anybody else?

Will.

We only got on to Hinks because his Volvo was parked near the scene of the

crime.

We only got on to the victims in Stuttgart once we started checking

Nobody invented that connection.

Look, we're under the microscope here and I'm sensing that people are losing

their footing slightly.

I think we need to go back over the original list of suspects and absolutely

convince ourselves that we're not misfiring. Sir, I think that's just

time we haven't got.

Half an hour ago, I was made aware that the parents of Eddie Franklin have gone

to the press about our performance.

I've been called to a meeting at the Home Office this afternoon.

I thought there was a news blackout on this. It's not news, it's no news,

as you well know, the press seem to prefer.

Oh, shit.

I'm on this with D .I. Krieg, and this is a waste of time.

Yeah, well, the faster we waste it, the faster we can get on.

OK.

That's tough.

Is that tough for you?

The parents of the three abducted children, Jerry Casper, Stephen Lord and

Franklin, have criticised the way the police are handling the case.

The OSC, Organised Serial Crimes Unit, who were called in to supervise the

are accused of being too secretive by one mother.

We've been told nothing.

My son's been kidnapped.

And he's out there with someone who shouldn't have him.

I don't know what they're doing about it.

The man in charge of the OSC, Commander Stephen Enright, made the following

statement. Any clues?

Any information, no matter how unimportant they think it may be, could

crucial in the resolution of this case.

Come on.

Events, people, spaces, vehicles, anything that may have happened to those

prior to their disappearance, please contact us.

Have you offended since you started treatment? No, I haven't.

Have you been suspected of any offence since you started treatment?

No. Well, yes, once.

Mrs Weller? Yes?

C .I. Cregan.

Yes, I know one of my officers has tried making contact.

He has, and it's not for discussion. Look, I think Ronald Hinks is

for the abduction of three children.

What do you think, Mrs. Waller?

I'll do it again.

I racked my brains following the television broadcast, and, well, it

I've remembered something else.

Don't follow me.

You don't think it was an accident, do you?

No.

It was an accident.

It was the latest freeze -over we had ever had.

It was meant to be nearly spring.

The lake glazed over, but it wasn't really thick enough to carry a bird.

So how can you blame Hinks?

He didn't call for help.

And that doesn't count as shock?

He told the police he screamed for help.

He just watched.

He told them he came knocking at our door, which backed onto the lake, and

couldn't get a reply.

I was in the kitchen with the door open when he said he was hammering on it.

Even his own mother didn't believe him when he started crying.

His father begged me to let him come to the funeral.

But there was no way on God's earth I wanted him there.

Um, we need to speak to somebody in charge of the kidnapping case.

Now!

Which park?

Greenwich Park.

When?

Wednesday, December 4th.

When? Nine o 'clock.

Which is, as you've already got on file, when I told you I was there. Now, this

man, this...

Scruffy man. The same man you saw the day Jerry Castle was kidnapped.

That's right.

You just happened to be there when two kids were abducted in separate

circumstances. I'm saying I thought the same man was also in both locations.

What I'm further suggesting is because he was carrying two large shopping bags

brimming with food, he must live close by. There.

Wasn't he?

So we put 50 officers on a ground search of the area and we might eventually

come up with something vaguely resembling the description you gave us.

I'm sorry, I thought I was being helpful.

I'll bet you did.

Sir, we've got something.

This is Richard Price and Gavin Broby, engineers with a TV crew. They were

testing a satellite link near Hinksey's house when they picked this up.

Is it them?

That is definitely Jerry Casper.

And that's what Stephen Lord was wearing when he went missing.

That's the bit I recognised from the news. D .I. Taylor's got our man in

interview one.

He's volunteering new information on the man he thinks was responsible.

Where's Hinks? Took him out the back and beat him up.

You what?

Sent him home.

D .I. Creek with surveillance unit one.

Get Hinks now.

What's happened? In his face now. Get him. We found the kid.

Alone? For now.

Where?

Unit 3, name

yourself. Sergeant Slater 2142.

I'm going to pull your bollocks off when I see you.

Rivers, where are you?

Unit 2.

Get on to Jubilee Road. Make sure Hinks can't double back.

What have I done? I don't know what I'm supposed to have done. You're a lying

bastard.

This is where you were yesterday, yeah?

Oh, yeah. This is roughly where we were, yeah.

But, I mean, there's no way of telling where we put the signal at.

And you didn't see it at the time?

No. Only when we were strolling through coachback at the office. I remember a

flicker of interference, but that's all it was.

I'm not moving.

Where are they, you evil bastard?

Please, Ronald.

Please.

Okay,

let's move it!

Okay, we've got some numbers from the council.

202, 212, 437 and 702 and they're still checking.

Ask if there's any occupied flats or gravity tunnels. I have.

702 is the only one.

Right, we drag in another hundred officers.

We go house to house again.

On every flat searched!

It's going to take days to get that many warrants.

We don't get warrants.

You knock on the door, as soon as they open it, you're in. No, we're not.

We ask. Tell them as little as possible.

Right? Yes.

Move!

I'll talk to Hinks.

Can't have much left to hang on to now.

We know you know where they are.

Are they alive?

If you give them up and you help us get to them, it works in your favor on your

sentence.

And you know perfectly well you'll get unconditional life.

But where you serve it can be a matter for discretion.

It's Lloyd here.

Can I do the interview?

You don't touch him. I won't touch him. If you're going to scare him, you make

sure your ass is on that chair. Promise me, Cregan.

Time is 5 .01. This is DI Dave Cregan, accompanied by DI Susan Taylor.

We're interviewing Professor Ronald Hinks, and he's accompanied by his

Peter Lister.

Did you abduct Jerry Casper, Stephen Lord and Eddie Franklin on the 26th,

of November and the 4th of December?

No.

You've no knowledge of their whereabouts?

No.

And you had nothing to do with the murders of Mark Volper and Christian

February 1994?

I did not.

Thanks. You can go.

Interview terminated at 5 .02.

What's going on? What the bloody hell's going on? Is this some kind of joke?

If you could have proved anything, you wouldn't be here.

If you'd been clever, I'd never been here at all.

You can't threaten me, Cregan.

No?

What makes you so special?

You've done enough damage.

I'm just laughing at something one of our psychologists said.

You're trespassing.

If you don't get out of my house now, I'm within my rights to set the dog on

you.

Henry!

Good boy.

Good boy.

Yeah, we'll keep shrinks on the payroll to speculate on the abstract mind,

Professor.

Imagine having a job like that.

I want to make a phone call. Fine.

You're getting ready for work thinking I have three abstract minds to get sorted

today. And if I do it by five, I can get to Sainsbury's.

It's a scream, isn't it?

It's like your job.

Biogenetic engineering.

That's all Thunderbird to me.

Go on.

Talk me through it.

You fed the dog. You're having a shave. It's a precision lifestyle.

But what are you thinking?

I need to get in early. I've got an ear to grow on the back of that rat.

Or don't forget to reduce human life to a single molecule at least once today.

What shapes the rest of the world in when you can pull all that off, Ronald?

Are you up there somewhere?

Where the special people live? The law says you've no right to be here. You're

breaking the rules. Nobody knows I'm here, Ron.

They all think I've gone home sulking because we lost you.

And you couldn't prove I was here, even if you did your best.

What do you spend your money on?

Your salary goes into your account, and you take out 500 quid a week in cash.

What are you buying these days, Ron?

Books.

Of course, he's an academic.

Books.

You've got a Visa card, Access card, and you've got a Dinos card.

But you buy your books with cash.

Yeah. You spend as much on books as I do on child maintenance.

Did I tell you I had kids?

I'm not interested in your... Two!

Girls.

For 500 quid a week, I keep two houses going.

Where's your second house?

I beg your pardon?

Well, you've no garage here.

And there's no kids here.

They're somewhere, Ronald.

Look, you're in enough trouble.

Please let me out. This is... This is abduction!

This is what being held against your will actually feels like.

And you'll be happy to know I'm not a violent man.

You are going nowhere.

I want Eddie Franklin, Jerry Casper and Stephen Lord.

Now!

No worries.

And there's no witnesses.

Hi, I'm D .I. Taylor. Can I speak to Dave?

He's not here.

Do you know what time we'll be back?

Well, he didn't know.

He doesn't live here, you know.

Can I see your warrant card?

We're divorced.

He's in a flat down Stanford Road.

I'm sorry, I should have checked.

Are you OK?

Yeah, sorry to have bothered you.

If he calls, I'll tell him you're looking for him.

You're getting ready for work.

You're having a shave.

What are you thinking?

This person dies, or that person suffers, it's down to me.

Or the world looks awful, and you've done nothing to protect it.

When your job is, by definition, protection.

Is that on your conscience?

I've learned to avoid that trap.

Then you're kidding yourself.

The hallmarks of your job and mine are virtually identical.

We learn by failure.

We're both at the mercy of evidence.

Mark Volper and Christian Mann died because you failed?

Were you 11 when your best mate died?

When you watched him die?

You could have helped him, couldn't you?

You were left in two minutes' walk from the nearest house.

But you didn't walk.

You didn't run.

Nobody heard you screaming.

I bet you can't even remember why you killed your best friend.

Just that you could.

So you did.

And you got away with it.

And that was your first taste of a totally unique power that nobody but

like you really want.

Do they live?

Do they die?

If these people died, surely they died

because you failed.

Your people.

Because nobody stopped you?

Oh, come on, Ron, you're a big lad.

If you didn't know that was wrong, how come I'm here having to play games?

Your game.

In your position, I'd be very angry if I was involved in a game I didn't know

the rules of.

Listen to me, you freak!

I don't want to hear why people think you did it!

They'll call you all sorts in court.

Social, this.

Emotionally, psycho, that. But you're not! Vote out!

You're as sane now as the day you were born.

You were born a thick, twisted bastard.

Some people are.

And that's all there is to it.

Where's the pride in winning a game you wrote the rules for?

Your biggest achievement in 50 years is overpowering children.

How in God's name could a normal person be proud of that?

Or voices.

You're going to go for voices in court.

Screw yourself, Hinks. You've not a chance.

The only voices you'll be hearing are the parents wanting you dead.

You thick, twisted bastard.

I don't think you're in a position to judge anyone objectively. Ten minutes

you were telling me you weren't a violent man.

This part.

You show me.

Three little men in a flying saucer flew round the world one day.

He looked left and right, he didn't like the sight, so one man flew

away.

Two.

Two little men in a flying saucer flew round the

world one day.

I remember I did.

I didn't see anything.

I didn't hear anything.

Just a sharp pain.

Like an injection in my leg.

You said he pulled your hair.

Not then. I wasn't really awake.

My hair was being pulled.

Not really pulled.

Like, you know, if you put a little on and rip it off.

Yeah?

Yeah.

But that felt really weird.

Yeah.

Could you see who was doing that, Eddie?

If I showed you some pictures, do you think you might recognise one of them?

If you really concentrate.

No.

He is guilty!

The only way we knew about Mark Valter and Christian Mann was because of the

calling cards, the shoes.

The only way we found victims was because of Ronald Hinks' work records

only reason we knew about him was because his car was in... His very

Circumstantial. His dog.

His own bloody dog led us to the last three victims, sir.

Look, Hinks has more grounds for harassment than we have for conviction.

The dog knew exactly where it was going. It was following its own ascent.

With the greatest respect, we can't put a dog in the witness box. And if we

could, it's circumstantial.

Hey, you lot are bloody watchers. Do you know that?

You couldn't make shit stick to a blanket, you tosser!

Craig, enough. I'll be doing things. Just sit down.

Sit down!

Continue.

You looked left and right.

I quite like the sound.

Forty miles a day.

I'm sorry it's so late. I didn't know where I had to go.

It's hard, Barry.

If it wasn't past closing, I'd be out buying you champagne, Dave.

Cheers.

Can I stay?

Sure.

I'll make the offer up.

Well done.

You're a hero.

You're not suggesting that Kessler will sustain defence for a freak like Hinks?

He's a geneticist.

I know they're not ten a penny, but he can't be that gifted.

Kessler's worth billions.

If Hinks goes down, their name goes with it.

They'll spend what they need to represent his innocence.

If they win, their loyalty pays off.

If they lose, they're sunk.

They will not lose.

You've given us nothing to fight with.

They've applied for the release of his passport.

It's just going to be back to square one as far as Hoost is concerned.

He will do it again.

The parents of three abducted children are calling their rescue a miracle and

they're praising the policeman who saved them.

They say Detective Inspector David Cregan from the Organised and Serial

Unit should receive a commendation.

We'd all just like to say thank you.

For bringing our kids back safe and sound. The police seem to be no closer

charging anyone with the offence.

Hey, you're right.

Cregan, just ring me.

You selfish bastard.

Two patients of St. Barnaby's died within half an hour of each other. All

suspicious circumstances. It's four o 'clock this morning.

They're all patients of the same consultant, Elizabeth Walker.

They've all died before.

The killer's sending them back to where they've been before.

You died.

You went where you belonged.

But you came back because you were forced to.

Touching Evil, next time on Mystery.

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