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What happened? Are you a relative?

He came in with a severe asthma attack.

We're talking about Cyril's nervous man.
We've given him some of the strongest

medication we can, but he's
deteriorating fairly quickly. Cyril!

condition we call dry drowning. He's
pulling fluid into his lungs and they're

struggling to control it.

I'm going to take him up to intensive
care.

I'm cold.

I'm cold.

I can't breathe.

Hello.

You're right. There's nothing coming
out.

You sure?

What about the other door inside the
house?

No, it's completely airtight Can you
find out when the garage was modified?

We're checking that

How's Cyril?

Cyril Goulding?

He's very poorly.

He gave us a couple of frights in the
night.

He can hardly breathe.

You get nothing out of him.

He was that poorly?

I've been checking on him for a criminal
record.

Nothing. Then I contacted the regional
force at Tunbridge Wells.

Again, nothing criminal, but his name
came up attached to this case.

As a witness.

Again? Yeah, but he was only 11 when it
happened.

I could see him under the ice, but I
couldn't break it.

He was looking at me and I couldn't get
to him.

He just went back under and I never saw
him again.

Ronald Hinks, December 1954.

Is there any more of this?

The newspaper closed down in 55.

Find the parents of the dead lad.

Track down the reporter and try and get
hold of a copy of the coroner's report.

What? I haven't been up all night.

I could do with some sleep.

Fine.

Get rid of it if you drive. Keep in the
car.

You all right? Hi.

Milk. There's a word.

Sure.

Now I'll have a coffee.

Please.

I couldn't breathe.

There's nowhere to go.

Is it dark or light?

It's dark.

And you see me there?

I'm seeing it through the clouds.

I don't like the people you're working
with.

That's because you don't know them.

Do you want in? No.

That's impossible, sir. We've searched
his house. We're watching every bloody

movie he met.

We can't see them!

He's watching them.

You got him?

Hello, yes.

Inspector Dry, are you in the garage?

Yes. Could anyone see in the garage from
outside?

There's no view in from the outside.

The door to the house, there's no window
in it?

No, there's no window. Has there ever
been a window in it?

Yeah, there is a window.

Surveillance is showing that the only
journeys he makes are to work, 0900, and

from work, 1730.

And he stops his mate at Sainsbury's,
where he buys his food by the day, and

local newsagents, where he buys his
paper.

He never buys the paper in the morning.

Always at night.

Now we've got the city engineers going
through any archive plans to find any

bolt holes close to Hinks' house.

We've interviewed the mother of an old
friend of Hinks, Peter Weller.

They went to school together, best of
mates.

Weller fell through the ice of a boating
lake, December 1954.

Hinks was there when it happened.

Mrs Weller was far from happy talking
about Hinks.

She still blames him for her son's
death.

If Ronald Hanks had to watch his friend
die at the age of 11, it's feasible that

he or anyone could displace that
experience into a need to be with

wanting back the kind of friendship he
lost.

And then he kills them.

Possibly.

Am I the only one with reservations
about this suspect?

No. What kind of reservations?

I worry that we're putting everything
we've got into one suspect.

25 ex -offenders with form for child
-related crimes were interviewed by

Park's police, cross -examined by us and
discounted.

We're sticking with Hinks because he's
the only one moving us on. How?

All we've proved is that Hinks doesn't
go anywhere.

He doesn't do anything.

All we know from surveillance is that he
isn't making contact with the victims.

I don't understand how we can treat him
as the only suspect without a single

scrap of evidence, Cregan.

I share that feeling.

Anybody else?

Will.

We only got on to Hinks because his
Volvo was parked near the scene of the

crime.

We only got on to the victims in
Stuttgart once we started checking

Nobody invented that connection.

Look, we're under the microscope here
and I'm sensing that people are losing

their footing slightly.

I think we need to go back over the
original list of suspects and absolutely

convince ourselves that we're not
misfiring. Sir, I think that's just

time we haven't got.

Half an hour ago, I was made aware that
the parents of Eddie Franklin have gone

to the press about our performance.

I've been called to a meeting at the
Home Office this afternoon.

I thought there was a news blackout on
this. It's not news, it's no news,

as you well know, the press seem to
prefer.

Oh, shit.

I'm on this with D .I. Krieg, and this
is a waste of time.

Yeah, well, the faster we waste it, the
faster we can get on.

OK.

That's tough.

Is that tough for you?

The parents of the three abducted
children, Jerry Casper, Stephen Lord and

Franklin, have criticised the way the
police are handling the case.

The OSC, Organised Serial Crimes Unit,
who were called in to supervise the

are accused of being too secretive by
one mother.

We've been told nothing.

My son's been kidnapped.

And he's out there with someone who
shouldn't have him.

I don't know what they're doing about
it.

The man in charge of the OSC, Commander
Stephen Enright, made the following

statement. Any clues?

Any information, no matter how
unimportant they think it may be, could

crucial in the resolution of this case.

Come on.

Events, people, spaces, vehicles,
anything that may have happened to those

prior to their disappearance, please
contact us.

Have you offended since you started
treatment? No, I haven't.

Have you been suspected of any offence
since you started treatment?

No. Well, yes, once.

Mrs Weller? Yes?

C .I. Cregan.

Yes, I know one of my officers has tried
making contact.

He has, and it's not for discussion.
Look, I think Ronald Hinks is

for the abduction of three children.

What do you think, Mrs. Waller?

I'll do it again.

I racked my brains following the
television broadcast, and, well, it

I've remembered something else.

Don't follow me.

You don't think it was an accident, do
you?

No.

It was an accident.

It was the latest freeze -over we had
ever had.

It was meant to be nearly spring.

The lake glazed over, but it wasn't
really thick enough to carry a bird.

So how can you blame Hinks?

He didn't call for help.

And that doesn't count as shock?

He told the police he screamed for help.

He just watched.

He told them he came knocking at our
door, which backed onto the lake, and

couldn't get a reply.

I was in the kitchen with the door open
when he said he was hammering on it.

Even his own mother didn't believe him
when he started crying.

His father begged me to let him come to
the funeral.

But there was no way on God's earth I
wanted him there.

Um, we need to speak to somebody in
charge of the kidnapping case.

Now!

Which park?

Greenwich Park.

When?

Wednesday, December 4th.

When? Nine o 'clock.

Which is, as you've already got on file,
when I told you I was there. Now, this

man, this...

Scruffy man. The same man you saw the
day Jerry Castle was kidnapped.

That's right.

You just happened to be there when two
kids were abducted in separate

circumstances. I'm saying I thought the
same man was also in both locations.

What I'm further suggesting is because
he was carrying two large shopping bags

brimming with food, he must live close
by. There.

Wasn't he?

So we put 50 officers on a ground search
of the area and we might eventually

come up with something vaguely
resembling the description you gave us.

I'm sorry, I thought I was being
helpful.

I'll bet you did.

Sir, we've got something.

This is Richard Price and Gavin Broby,
engineers with a TV crew. They were

testing a satellite link near Hinksey's
house when they picked this up.

Is it them?

That is definitely Jerry Casper.

And that's what Stephen Lord was wearing
when he went missing.

That's the bit I recognised from the
news. D .I. Taylor's got our man in

interview one.

He's volunteering new information on the
man he thinks was responsible.

Where's Hinks? Took him out the back and
beat him up.

You what?

Sent him home.

D .I. Creek with surveillance unit one.

Get Hinks now.

What's happened? In his face now. Get
him. We found the kid.

Alone? For now.

Where?

Unit 3, name

yourself. Sergeant Slater 2142.

I'm going to pull your bollocks off when
I see you.

Rivers, where are you?

Unit 2.

Get on to Jubilee Road. Make sure Hinks
can't double back.

What have I done? I don't know what I'm
supposed to have done. You're a lying

bastard.

This is where you were yesterday, yeah?

Oh, yeah. This is roughly where we were,
yeah.

But, I mean, there's no way of telling
where we put the signal at.

And you didn't see it at the time?

No. Only when we were strolling through
coachback at the office. I remember a

flicker of interference, but that's all
it was.

I'm not moving.

Where are they, you evil bastard?

Please, Ronald.

Please.

Okay,

let's move it!

Okay, we've got some numbers from the
council.

202, 212, 437 and 702 and they're still
checking.

Ask if there's any occupied flats or
gravity tunnels. I have.

702 is the only one.

Right, we drag in another hundred
officers.

We go house to house again.

On every flat searched!

It's going to take days to get that many
warrants.

We don't get warrants.

You knock on the door, as soon as they
open it, you're in. No, we're not.

We ask. Tell them as little as possible.

Right? Yes.

Move!

I'll talk to Hinks.

Can't have much left to hang on to now.

We know you know where they are.

Are they alive?

If you give them up and you help us get
to them, it works in your favor on your

sentence.

And you know perfectly well you'll get
unconditional life.

But where you serve it can be a matter
for discretion.

It's Lloyd here.

Can I do the interview?

You don't touch him. I won't touch him.
If you're going to scare him, you make

sure your ass is on that chair. Promise
me, Cregan.

Time is 5 .01. This is DI Dave Cregan,
accompanied by DI Susan Taylor.

We're interviewing Professor Ronald
Hinks, and he's accompanied by his

Peter Lister.

Did you abduct Jerry Casper, Stephen
Lord and Eddie Franklin on the 26th,

of November and the 4th of December?

No.

You've no knowledge of their
whereabouts?

No.

And you had nothing to do with the
murders of Mark Volper and Christian

February 1994?

I did not.

Thanks. You can go.

Interview terminated at 5 .02.

What's going on? What the bloody hell's
going on? Is this some kind of joke?

If you could have proved anything, you
wouldn't be here.

If you'd been clever, I'd never been
here at all.

You can't threaten me, Cregan.

No?

What makes you so special?

You've done enough damage.

I'm just laughing at something one of
our psychologists said.

You're trespassing.

If you don't get out of my house now,
I'm within my rights to set the dog on

you.

Henry!

Good boy.

Good boy.

Yeah, we'll keep shrinks on the payroll
to speculate on the abstract mind,

Professor.

Imagine having a job like that.

I want to make a phone call. Fine.

You're getting ready for work thinking I
have three abstract minds to get sorted

today. And if I do it by five, I can get
to Sainsbury's.

It's a scream, isn't it?

It's like your job.

Biogenetic engineering.

That's all Thunderbird to me.

Go on.

Talk me through it.

You fed the dog. You're having a shave.
It's a precision lifestyle.

But what are you thinking?

I need to get in early. I've got an ear
to grow on the back of that rat.

Or don't forget to reduce human life to
a single molecule at least once today.

What shapes the rest of the world in
when you can pull all that off, Ronald?

Are you up there somewhere?

Where the special people live? The law
says you've no right to be here. You're

breaking the rules. Nobody knows I'm
here, Ron.

They all think I've gone home sulking
because we lost you.

And you couldn't prove I was here, even
if you did your best.

What do you spend your money on?

Your salary goes into your account, and
you take out 500 quid a week in cash.

What are you buying these days, Ron?

Books.

Of course, he's an academic.

Books.

You've got a Visa card, Access card, and
you've got a Dinos card.

But you buy your books with cash.

Yeah. You spend as much on books as I do
on child maintenance.

Did I tell you I had kids?

I'm not interested in your... Two!

Girls.

For 500 quid a week, I keep two houses
going.

Where's your second house?

I beg your pardon?

Well, you've no garage here.

And there's no kids here.

They're somewhere, Ronald.

Look, you're in enough trouble.

Please let me out. This is... This is
abduction!

This is what being held against your
will actually feels like.

And you'll be happy to know I'm not a
violent man.

You are going nowhere.

I want Eddie Franklin, Jerry Casper and
Stephen Lord.

Now!

No worries.

And there's no witnesses.

Hi, I'm D .I. Taylor. Can I speak to
Dave?

He's not here.

Do you know what time we'll be back?

Well, he didn't know.

He doesn't live here, you know.

Can I see your warrant card?

We're divorced.

He's in a flat down Stanford Road.

I'm sorry, I should have checked.

Are you OK?

Yeah, sorry to have bothered you.

If he calls, I'll tell him you're
looking for him.

You're getting ready for work.

You're having a shave.

What are you thinking?

This person dies, or that person
suffers, it's down to me.

Or the world looks awful, and you've
done nothing to protect it.

When your job is, by definition,
protection.

Is that on your conscience?

I've learned to avoid that trap.

Then you're kidding yourself.

The hallmarks of your job and mine are
virtually identical.

We learn by failure.

We're both at the mercy of evidence.

Mark Volper and Christian Mann died
because you failed?

Were you 11 when your best mate died?

When you watched him die?

You could have helped him, couldn't you?

You were left in two minutes' walk from
the nearest house.

But you didn't walk.

You didn't run.

Nobody heard you screaming.

I bet you can't even remember why you
killed your best friend.

Just that you could.

So you did.

And you got away with it.

And that was your first taste of a
totally unique power that nobody but

like you really want.

Do they live?

Do they die?

If these people died, surely they died

because you failed.

Your people.

Because nobody stopped you?

Oh, come on, Ron, you're a big lad.

If you didn't know that was wrong, how
come I'm here having to play games?

Your game.

In your position, I'd be very angry if I
was involved in a game I didn't know

the rules of.

Listen to me, you freak!

I don't want to hear why people think
you did it!

They'll call you all sorts in court.

Social, this.

Emotionally, psycho, that. But you're
not! Vote out!

You're as sane now as the day you were
born.

You were born a thick, twisted bastard.

Some people are.

And that's all there is to it.

Where's the pride in winning a game you
wrote the rules for?

Your biggest achievement in 50 years is
overpowering children.

How in God's name could a normal person
be proud of that?

Or voices.

You're going to go for voices in court.

Screw yourself, Hinks. You've not a
chance.

The only voices you'll be hearing are
the parents wanting you dead.

You thick, twisted bastard.

I don't think you're in a position to
judge anyone objectively. Ten minutes

you were telling me you weren't a
violent man.

This part.

You show me.

Three little men in a flying saucer flew
round the world one day.

He looked left and right, he didn't like
the sight, so one man flew

away.

Two.

Two little men in a flying saucer flew
round the

world one day.

I remember I did.

I didn't see anything.

I didn't hear anything.

Just a sharp pain.

Like an injection in my leg.

You said he pulled your hair.

Not then. I wasn't really awake.

My hair was being pulled.

Not really pulled.

Like, you know, if you put a little on
and rip it off.

Yeah?

Yeah.

But that felt really weird.

Yeah.

Could you see who was doing that, Eddie?

If I showed you some pictures, do you
think you might recognise one of them?

If you really concentrate.

No.

He is guilty!

The only way we knew about Mark Valter
and Christian Mann was because of the

calling cards, the shoes.

The only way we found victims was
because of Ronald Hinks' work records

only reason we knew about him was
because his car was in... His very

Circumstantial. His dog.

His own bloody dog led us to the last
three victims, sir.

Look, Hinks has more grounds for
harassment than we have for conviction.

The dog knew exactly where it was going.
It was following its own ascent.

With the greatest respect, we can't put
a dog in the witness box. And if we

could, it's circumstantial.

Hey, you lot are bloody watchers. Do you
know that?

You couldn't make shit stick to a
blanket, you tosser!

Craig, enough. I'll be doing things.
Just sit down.

Sit down!

Continue.

You looked left and right.

I quite like the sound.

Forty miles a day.

I'm sorry it's so late. I didn't know
where I had to go.

It's hard, Barry.

If it wasn't past closing, I'd be out
buying you champagne, Dave.

Cheers.

Can I stay?

Sure.

I'll make the offer up.

Well done.

You're a hero.

You're not suggesting that Kessler will
sustain defence for a freak like Hinks?

He's a geneticist.

I know they're not ten a penny, but he
can't be that gifted.

Kessler's worth billions.

If Hinks goes down, their name goes with
it.

They'll spend what they need to
represent his innocence.

If they win, their loyalty pays off.

If they lose, they're sunk.

They will not lose.

You've given us nothing to fight with.

They've applied for the release of his
passport.

It's just going to be back to square one
as far as Hoost is concerned.

He will do it again.

The parents of three abducted children
are calling their rescue a miracle and

they're praising the policeman who saved
them.

They say Detective Inspector David
Cregan from the Organised and Serial

Unit should receive a commendation.

We'd all just like to say thank you.

For bringing our kids back safe and
sound. The police seem to be no closer

charging anyone with the offence.

Hey, you're right.

Cregan, just ring me.

You selfish bastard.

Two patients of St. Barnaby's died
within half an hour of each other. All

suspicious circumstances. It's four o
'clock this morning.

They're all patients of the same
consultant, Elizabeth Walker.

They've all died before.

The killer's sending them back to where
they've been before.

You died.

You went where you belonged.

But you came back because you were
forced to.

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