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February 9th, 2004.

College student Maura Murray emails her professors.

She says there was a death in her family.

But it's a lie.

She packs her belongings, withdraws all the money from her bank, picks up some

alcohol, and leaves town.

Four hours later,

She crashes.

And then Maura Murray disappears.

Forever.

She was going to graduate and had plans with the boyfriend.

They were going to go do their life.

She was a role model for me. Such a driven individual.

Maura, she had that intoxicating smile.

Having no closure and always wondering is the most painful part of all of this.

Where is Maura Murray? What happened to her?

They had no tracks at all from the accident scene into the woodlands.

You don't have any signs of foul play.

People were watching this happen, yet she vanished into thin air.

Did she commit suicide?

Was she running from someone or running to someone?

Did Maura run away to start a new life?

If she's alive, then somebody helped her.

This is beyond a missing persons case.

Something ominous happened here.

Or... Was he abducted and murdered?

It makes you think that this is a serial killer.

It's difficult to rule anyone out until you know what happened.

You cannot trust anybody.

Her family, fleasmen, people who were on the scene.

We don't know what happened.

We don't have all these secrets.

How did someone just vanish?

We don't know where she is, and we don't know where she was going, and we've

never named a suspect in this case.

Where is my daughter?

Maura Murray vanished in February of 2004 in a small New Hampshire town near

base of the White Mountains.

No one had heard from her.

She would do that to us.

Every time someone comes to the door, I think it may be good news.

We just want to let her know that it's fine. We just want her to come home.

We're not going to stop searching until we find Maura.

I don't know why she went. I don't know the combination of circumstances.

I want to know what happened to my daughter.

Maura left behind her parents, two sisters, and two brothers.

Thirteen years later, it's astonishing to me that they are still searching for

answers.

My name is Maggie Freeling.

I'm a journalist and a public radio producer.

I'm looking for the truth about what happened to Maura Murray.

Maura's case is personal for me. I went to UMass, the same school she attended.

And while I was a journalism student there, her disappearance haunted me.

How could a student, a young woman like me, like my friends, go missing right

here in New Hampshire, hours away from her home?

Maura grew up in a working class town south of Boston.

She was an overachiever.

In high school, she was a star on the basketball and track team, winning the

district in the mile her senior year.

An honor student, she scored a 1420 on her SATs. The five top ranking students

in the senior class, Maura Murray.

Recruited by Ivy League schools like Harvard, she could write her ticket.

And she did.

Maura chose West Point, one of the nation's most difficult schools to get

She transferred to UMass her junior year to become a nurse, just like her

mother.

Her life seemed to be poised for success.

And then she was gone.

Law enforcement says with nothing new to go on, they've suspended the ground

search. But efforts to find Maura Murray continue.

Police at UMass Amherst are interviewing schoolmates hoping to find some clues

as to why she traveled to New Hampshire in the first place.

Maura's story is one of the most prominent missing persons cases of the

media age.

She went missing the same week Facebook launched.

And in the social media climate we now live in, everyone broadcasts their

Some of them believe the police botched the case and are involved in a cover

-up. Behavioral police.

They're lying about stuff. Making stuff up.

Others think the family is hiding something.

And that Maura was afraid of her own father.

I'm convinced that Fred outright lied to the people that are trying to find his

daughter. Everyone has a theory.

What if Maura was picked up by locals and then OD'd at a party? I think Maura

was having an affair.

Didn't a girl the same age disappear near there? Her name was Brianna

right? Is this the work of a serial killer?

These online rants are now absolute truth to some people.

But the real issue is that they might have clouded progress in Maura's case or

any resolution for the family.

I need to sort through all of this noise and find the truth because the bottom

line is that there is an injustice here.

Whatever theory proves to be the right one, something really bad could have

happened to Mara.

And I believe that Mara, like the 70 ,000 women who are currently missing in

U .S., deserves this type of investigation.

My first stop is to the suburbs of Boston to meet a pair of wildly popular

crime podcasters.

The Missing Maura Murray podcast has had over 8 million downloads since July of

2015. Tim Polari and Lance Reince -Dierna have been exploring Maura's case

two years and recorded over 40 episodes.

When you first start looking into the case, it's extremely overwhelming

of the amount of information that's out there.

They've pored over the countless angles and theories of Maura's disappearance in

their own attempt.

to find the truth.

How'd you guys get interested in the case?

Just being interested in true crime overall, and more of the case always

up. Once you start reading about it, it just starts, like, unlayering and

unfolding, and just before you know it, you're, like, down the rabbit hole. The

mystery within the mystery is why was she heading up there in the first place?

Do you guys have an opinion on why you think she was heading up there?

I can't really say I do.

We tried really hard to not have theories.

Tell me a little bit about the crash.

Well, based on the police transcript and the call log, a neighbor calls at 727,

which a bus driver pulls up, who's also a neighbor, and talks to her.

She said she already called AAA, which is a lie because there's no cell phone

service up there, so she could not have gotten a call out. And he knew that

immediately. Yeah. And I think that is, like, the most fascinating thing, at

least for me.

that this accident happened, there were eyes on the accident. It is in the White

Mountains in New Hampshire, but there's a house there, there's a house here.

Someone pulls up and talks to her. There's phone calls made to 911, and

this moment where apparently everybody turned around or wasn't looking, she's

gone. And that window of opportunity is, like, mind -blowing to me. It's

baffling. How long is that window?

You can probably narrow it down to about seven minutes.

Figuring out why Maura vanished sometime during those seven minutes when the

neighbors turned away and didn't see anything is crucial.

Although Maura disappeared in a remote part of New Hampshire, the road she

crashed on was well -traveled.

She could have run away and hopped in a car, and that person may not remember

that moment 13 years ago. It might have been a small moment in that person's

life.

Or she was picked up by someone. Maybe that person wanted to fool around with

her or something, and she rejected that person, and who knows where it went from

there.

It makes you think that, oh, this is a serial killer. This is someone who

followed her and waited for that moment and grabbed her.

Tim and Lance have made many trips to the region where Maura crashed her car.

The locals up there will tell you that they think she was abducted.

That holds a lot of credence to me because, well, they know each other.

And there are some creepy people in that area. The more you look into the

people, a lot of them have things to hide. A lot of them have skeletons in

closets.

But it's not just the locals who have strong theories.

Tim and Lance's podcast feeds all kinds of speculation.

It's difficult sometimes to weed out the people who have the better intentions

and the people who, you know, online sociopaths and just want to intimidate

throw mystery and intrigue into the situation, like the coordinates.

The email subject just said, stop looking. More bodies there.

So you do a map search, you find the coordinates. It's White Mountains, it's

Mount Kerrigan.

Good conditions there and back without making any stops. It's like a seven and

half hour full day, like a full day hike.

They weren't sure if this was a real tip or something made up by an online

troll.

But they had planned to check it out just in case until the ugly side of the

became a frightening reality.

Before we took our trip, another email came in.

The timing was interesting.

So we started engaging with the person a little bit. It was probably a mistake

looking back. We started getting some emails that were getting to a point

they were kind of veiled threat towards us. It made it seem like the person knew

what happened tomorrow.

At that point, our anxiety level was pretty high. We were watching over our

shoulder. We start really thinking.

Well, hell, someone could be monitoring our emails or our computers or

something. That's scary. Yeah. We started thinking that it might be a

So we started thinking that it might be a trap.

That's scary.

Him and Lance's story about the threats they received while exploring the

disappearance of 21 -year -old Maura Murray makes me worried about my own

search. You didn't get to do what you wanted to do. You were so scared you

Right. Right.

Who should I speak with that you guys have not spoken with?

Fred Murray.

So you guys have not spoken with the family.

Why do you think they won't speak with you?

Well, we know that they won't speak with us because...

And they were, yeah, I don't know, do we say this? Yeah, sure.

We know that they won't speak with us because of the James Renner factor.

Yeah. The first email that we sent to the Murray family, we got back copied

pasted blog posts from James' blog, blog posts that didn't make Maura or her

family look very good. So we understood in that response that they're mad at us

for talking to James Renner and working with him.

We're about to have true crime author James Renner on.

Thanks for having me.

James Renner is the focal point of much speculation surrounding this case.

He wrote a best -selling book and has a popular and controversial crowdsourcing

blog about Maura.

From day one, Brad Murray wanted nothing to do with this book.

When the father of a missing woman says he doesn't want any national exposure of

his daughter's case.

That raises some serious red flags.

Talk to me a little bit about James Renner. So he's opinionated and

in his investigation.

He has dug pretty deep into the case. He has pulled a lot of records through

Freedom of Information Act and just calling around.

He's accumulated a lot of information on his blog and in his book.

Say what you will about him, his research and his dedication to that blog

opened. the case up to a lot of people, really opened the case up to us.

Okay, so I don't want to overwhelm you with a ton of information. Lay it all on

me. But this is a good starting point here. You're going to give her that?

It's the dispatch logs timeline.

Please, any questions, let us know.

Tim and Lance gave me their information about Maura's drive to the crash site, a

timeline of events, and documents pertaining to the case.

What they can't give me is access to Maura's family or to New Hampshire's

-knit law enforcement community, two groups who might hold all the answers

are being blamed for covering up details about what happened to Maura.

But they gave me one contact that I think can help.

Hi,

Art. Hi, Maggie. Thanks for calling. Thanks for coming.

Art Roderick spent 25 years in the U .S. Marshal Service.

He was the lead investigator on high -profile cases such as Ruby Ridge, the D

.C. Sniper, and the escape from Alcatraz.

He's a specialist in finding people and knows how law enforcement works.

Today, he's one of CNN's go -to law enforcement analysts. As best you can,

remove your emotions from it.

Art also has connections to the Murray family.

He's recently gotten to know Maura's father, Fred, and has started exploring

case.

Did you know the case and then met Fred, or did you know Fred and then... This

is a fairly notorious case.

It's all over the Internet.

I just want to help Maura's family.

And then I talked to Fred.

He works in the hometown that I live in down on Cape Cod.

And that's how you know him? Yeah, we've got a connection there.

How would you approach a case like this? Like, where do you want to start? Well,

to me, the reason why she went up there is going to answer, what was she doing

on that road in the middle of the night? What was happening in her life?

What was happening in her life, exactly.

You know, from my understanding.

The family has been kind of cagey and haven't really talked to the media about

this in some time.

The cagey stuff, you know, this is some of the stuff we've got to sift through.

A lot of this stuff has been implied on the Internet or in books.

Is it true?

The only way we're going to know that is to talk to Fred.

Right. Fred is going to be a tough nut to crack, and he can be up in your face

at times.

In the days after his daughter's disappearance, Fred.

with a familiar face on television.

Where is she? What happened right after that? Where was she the next day when

the police weren't looking?

And often when he was shown on TV, he blasted New Hampshire law enforcement.

If they're not going to be part of the solution, I don't want them to be part

the problem.

Fred didn't sit down to a formal interview with the police for nearly

half years.

And when he did, he brought his attorneys with him.

Law enforcement, investigators, journalists, and most notably web

criticized Fred and questioned his motive.

Wouldn't a dad want to do everything in his power to help with the

investigation? The online world, in particular, has run wild with this

Art has agreed to work with me on this project.

and has suggested that I start with Kurt, Maura's younger brother.

Kurt was just 16 when Maura disappeared, so he hasn't been caught up in all the

craziness of this case.

He can help me begin to understand what Maura was really like as a person.

And I can get my first look inside the Murray family.

If their father was responsible in any way, Kurt would certainly have some

insight.

She used to babysit me all the time, and she'd just tell me, you know, work

hard, you're going to accomplish whatever you want, you know, I'm here, I

it, why can't you? And she was a role model for me, you know. She was just

a driven individual. She was very happy when she got into West Point and was

able to, you know, follow Julie there, and I was her big sister, you know.

Julie and her were so close, and they were both real competitive as far as

goes and breaking each other's records and things like that.

The Murray sisters were constantly competing with one another, both in high

school and then at West Point.

Their dad, Fred, had coached them growing up.

Fred pushed the girls, you know. He was always there supporting them, helping

them train.

You know, you could just tell how close they were, you know, just seeing them

talk and the way they'd joke around together and, you know.

When Maura disappeared, how did it affect your mom?

It crushed her.

Because my mother was sick on top of it. She had been diagnosed with cancer.

And I know it really bothered her not to be able to take a more active role

being up in New Hampshire searching.

And I saw that toll it took on her.

For the next five years, Maura's mother, Lori, was increasingly sick.

Her illness, combined with Maura's absence, would eventually consume her.

Mom passed away on Maura's birthday.

So May 4th is one of the most difficult days of the year for me.

It's kind of weird because they're forever linked now. It was almost as if

was waiting for that.

So I'm still not over it. I never will be, you know.

What do you think about all of the stuff that's out there on the Internet about

Maura and her disappearance?

I just wish people would realize that this is very, very painful for all of

A lot of it came from journalists who were trying to write a book.

It's just preposterous.

That journalist.

is Cleveland -based writer James Renner.

His name keeps coming up, and he is clearly the most controversial person

connected to Maura's case.

It was Mr. Renner in his book and falsely leading people to believe that

would in any way have anything to do with Maura's disappearance or, you know,

molestation or anything like that. It's just outrageous.

I need to speak with James Renner.

Hey, James. I'm Maggie Freeling. Thanks for taking my call.

Hey, Maggie.

Nice to meet you. I've heard you're out there digging around.

Yeah, I am, and I have so many questions for you.

Well, I'm glad you reached out. You know, there's definitely some

you need to have before you go much further.

The thing about Maura Murray's life at the time of her disappearance is her

was essentially falling apart.

Understand that as you're talking to people, it's just...

They all have reason to lie to you.

Everybody in this case lies.

Understand as you're talking to people is they all have reason to lie to you.

Everybody in this case lies.

Crime writer James Renner has just warned me about investigating the

disappearance of Maura Murray.

Well, my antennas are up. If you're free, maybe you can share some of your

documents and stuff with me.

Sure. Welcome to come out.

I'm curious why he thinks everyone connected to Maura's case is lying.

That's a pretty strong statement.

But before I meet with James...

I want to get away from the controversy for a moment.

I want to retrace Maura's drive from UMass and see what she saw and might

experienced the day she disappeared.

There's Kennedy on the left. That's her dorm. That's where she was living.

Okay. So her car probably would have been parked in one of these lots.

Right. Will this car ride give us any new insight?

Her behavior seemed so strange.

She lied about a death in her family.

told no one about her trip, emptied her bank account, and had a car full of

alcohol.

I think that we should definitely go hit the spots he was at, the ATM, the

liquor store, and drive up to Haverhill.

All right.

Yeah, let's just time this out for accuracy.

It took Maura roughly three hours and 45 minutes to stop and run these two

errands. The only two we know about and end up in New Hampshire.

In 2004, the police acquired surveillance footage of Maura from this

location.

And this is where it gets interesting.

How police handled Maura's investigation has led to a flurry of questions.

They have never released these images.

Why?

Police usually share this kind of footage.

You see it on the local news all the time when someone goes missing.

So what could be within those images that needs to be kept hidden?

Or who else could be in them?

Liquor store?

Liquor store.

That's next.

Yep.

Police have not released the receipt from this store, but they did tell the

public the time it was stamped.

February 9th.

3 .43 p .m.

The cops have also said there was alcohol found in Maura's car, a box of

wine, Baileys, and eight vodka wine coolers left over from a 12 -pack.

Was Maura going to a party, meeting someone, or just getting away for a few

days?

The police think that Maura was drinking and driving.

They think it's the cause of her crash.

Five, six minutes, so that's pretty good. Now from here, this is where she

starts driving north, as far as we know.

Okay.

Let's do it.

You know, like right now, right here, what was she thinking?

Yeah, I mean, what was she doing? Where was she going? Why was she going there?

When did she start drinking?

Did she start right here, or did she start further up?

Maura's journey north was long, over 130 miles, passing out of Massachusetts

into Vermont and finally into New Hampshire.

It just doesn't make any sense to be up there kind of in the middle of the White

Mountains not having a destination to go to. Right, right.

On a dark night in February.

Right.

Okay, this is our exit here.

Yeah, exit 17.

Okay. What I'm wondering is why did she get off here?

It's not like there was a gas station right off the highway. No.

She would have to know to turn here.

Look, you've got to make that right and then this left.

It's so windy.

It seems like you either have to know exactly where you're going or have no

where you're going.

If she was lost, wouldn't she have stopped at any one of these places and

back around or something?

Yeah, I'm sure some of them. I mean, you've got a couple of restaurants that

were open.

Yeah, maybe she could have stopped and eaten at one of these places. Right,

yeah. And, you know, she could have fueled up here.

She could have paid cash so there wouldn't be any record of the

If Maura stopped, did she come in contact with someone?

And if so, was that someone involved in her disappearance?

The deeper we travel into New Hampshire, the more treacherous the road becomes.

I'm going to say I do not think she was drinking and made it up here.

I think that if she was going to crash, it would have been much sooner.

But the being drunk I find to be kind of critical because people are saying, you

know, she was drunk so she ran away from the site. But I'm thinking she's not

drunk, so did she run away from the site or did somebody snag her?

No,

no service. No cell service? No cell service.

Pretty close to the accident site.

So it's going to be right... Right up here. Right up here.

Just right around the corner here. Oh wow, look at this turn.

Wow. There it is.

There it is.

Wow.

So this is it.

This is the exact spot where Maura crashed her Saturn, miles away from any

in the freezing cold, with no cell service.

Okay, I just stopped the stopwatch.

Two hours, 39 minutes added on, which would be 6 .20. So we

have about an hour time discrepancy right now.

Holy crap.

Maura crashed her car around 7 .27 p .m.

So it took her an hour longer to get here than it took us.

Why is that?

I mean, if we could figure out what happened in that hour, I think it's just

very key.

Figuring out the answer to the missing hour could be pivotal.

It could help explain why she was up here in the first place and how she

disappeared.

Refueling your car.

going to the bathroom and sitting down and getting something to eat.

That could fit, but we don't know if she did that. We don't. That's what's

puzzling.

She could have bumped into somebody coming out of the liquor store. If she

with a friend, what does that friend know about where she went?

I just think that person has no reason to hide anything and they would have

forward already.

I agree with you. So it's got to be she was either by herself. Unless she was

running away because that's the theory that she doesn't want to be found and

this friend is still protecting her.

We have got to figure out what happened in that hour.

Art and I just retraced Maura's steps to the place where she crashed her car and

disappeared in 2004.

But we did it one hour faster than Maura did.

I need to figure out what happened during this missing hour.

And the best way to do that is to understand why Maura lied and so

out of her life that day.

If anyone might have an answer, it would be her sister, Julie.

They went to West Point together and were close growing up.

Like Fred, Julie has been accused of hiding information, and she rarely

to the media.

Art has arranged an interview thanks to his relationship with Fred.

Come on in, Julie.

Hi, Maggie.

Julie, nice to meet you.

You're her older sister. How many years apart were you guys?

Two and a half.

Tell me about your relationship with her.

How close were you?

Well, we were really close.

We started running because we saw my dad running and he was always training for

the Boston Marathon.

Growing up, we never wanted to disappoint my dad. We wanted to make him

I'm so curious what it's like to go to West Point.

It's just every minute of every day is your stress. You're just stressed to the

max. But it's a lot of mental stresses.

Not only physical, but it's also mental.

The gritty people make it through.

Talent doesn't really play a factor in whether you're going to make it through

the first six weeks or not.

When you guys were at West Point, did she talk to you about personal stuff?

Yes. I mean, we were on the cross -country team and track team together at

Point, so it was gossip, you know, boys, whatever.

Julie and Maura would often talk about Bill, Maura's boyfriend, who she met her

sophomore year at West Point.

They dated long distance when she transferred to UMass, and were talking

marriage.

What did the family think of him and their relationship? Were you guys

Bill, he's a talker, and he was kind of a little much for me, for my liking.

I see the hesitation when they ask you about Bill. Yeah.

Did he make her happy?

Yeah, I mean, I think so, but I don't like the fact that it's possible he was

cheating on Mara.

One of the girls on the track team, who was one of my friends, said she had some

incident with Bill. When exactly was that?

When I was a senior.

Bill was a senior, too.

Amara was at UMass. Amara was at UMass.

Did you encourage her to break up with him?

When I first told her about the incident, yeah, I was like, I think you

move on.

In most criminal cases, the boyfriend or husband is the first person police look

at. If Julie's right and Bill cheated on Maura, maybe there is more to their

relationship than we know.

Maybe it's why she left UMass.

Or it could explain why Maura was so secretive about her trip.

Maybe she didn't want Bill to know about it.

I think it's worth looking into.

If you had to guess why she was driving up there.

My guess would be to take a couple days and clear her head, but

it doesn't make sense to go up there alone.

I know this is tough. What was the last conversation you had with her prior to

that? We were talking about spring break.

Did she seem excited about it? Yes. One of her friends from UMass, and we were

going to go to Myrtle Beach.

That's why when all this stuff happened, it... Completely surprised.

Everyone. Was that like a day or two before she drove up? Yeah. And there was

nothing that you could see that was odd about any of the communication you were

having with her? None. None whatsoever.

Did she mention anything about taking this trip?

Nope.

Nothing? Nothing.

I want to talk about your dad for a little bit. Okay. There's been a lot of

negative light put on him in the media. Where do you think a lot of that comes

from?

My dad, although he's portrayed in different media outlets as being this

aggressive, hard -nosed guy that pushed us, it wasn't that. We

didn't want to let him down. We didn't want to disappoint him. Who were some of

those people?

All over any kind of blogs, Reddit blogs, James Renner.

It's just complete mischaracterization of my dad. So anyone that knows my dad

knows that it's just...

Not worth their time even paying attention to.

What do you think happened?

Something bad happened.

Something went wrong. Her initial plan was maybe to go up there for whatever

reason. No one knows. But then something happened and derailed that plan.

If she was able to reach out and contact us and say, hey, guys, stop worrying.

I'm here. I'm fine.

She definitely would have.

But that didn't happen.

What do you think needs to be done that has not been done yet?

Well, I think the FBI should have been brought in initially from the beginning

because nobody had any answers. There were changes in the police report and it

took forever for the police report to be published. But nobody, none of the

police contacted me. I've never been, I've never talked to the police.

And I'm her sister who was closest to her.

Law enforcement hasn't spoken to her once in 13 years.

This stopped me in my tracks.

That plays into the theory that something is suspicious about the way

handled the case.

The police never contacted you? No.

No law enforcement person's ever talked to you? No.

Do you think that if the police had interviewed you sooner, there was maybe

something you could have remembered?

Absolutely. I mean, I'm trying to remember 13 years ago.

But of course, if someone had interviewed me three days or questioned

days after, I would have had that exact info.

The investigation might have been hurt by not interviewing Julie and affected

the ability to determine why Maura left and where she was heading.

The cops didn't interview her?

I know. That is kind of shocking to me. From a law enforcement perspective,

like, how much of a mess -up is that?

It's a mess -up. Even when I have to testify, I always refer back to my notes

the report that I did at that particular time because you're going to forget

those types of details. It's not like she did some type of investigative

afterwards to outline everything her and Maura had talked about.

But she probably could have back then. She could have given a statement to law

enforcement. Yeah, I think it's a missed opportunity for the police.

Maura's father, Fred, has been highly critical of the police.

They've hit a stone wall.

They're not going forward.

But is he just looking for someone to blame?

Art has set up a meeting.

Bright is our next stop.

Julie and Kurt said lovely things about him as a dad, and they've given me

absolutely no indication that there is any reason to be suspicious of him.

But I can't get it out of my head that James Renner believes everyone involved

in this case has a reason to lie.

I have to figure out who's telling the truth.

I went through a collection of Old stuff that I have that I've saved.

These are for Mara, but I don't even know the age.

Dear Dad, I just want to remind you that you always will be the best dad in the

world. And she got a picture of the world here.

That's Mara's version of the world.

Tell me a little bit more about Mara. How would you describe her?

If you met her, you'd love her.

So quick to laugh.

She'd make you laugh.

She's funny.

You know, really funny.

She's the sweetest kid, you know.

I brought some old report cards down, and it's all these, you know. She'd get

determined, you know, and she'd do whatever she had to do. And just this

little girl, you know.

Tell me more about Maura being a kid. What was she like?

She was always there, very attentive, keeping a sharp eye on Julie.

Kathleen, the older sister, dropped off a little bit and hung out with more of

her friends, but Julie and Maura went with me all over the place.

Maura and Julie spent a lot of time with their dad, not only training, but also

hiking and camping.

I knew that I would never have enough money to give them anything big, like

vacations and things like that. The kids were so happy just to go camping.

and be dashing around the woods and hiking and swimming in the rivers up

Maura and her family spent a lot of time in Bartlett, New Hampshire, at the edge

of the White Mountains, near the border with Maine, one and a half hours east of

where Maura crashed.

There's a chance that's where Maura was heading, but maybe she got lost and

turned off at the wrong exit.

What I'm wondering is, why did she get off here?

Seems like you either have to know exactly where you're going or have no

where you're going.

Tell me more about New Hampshire. Were you surprised when her car was found up

there?

Yeah, I think she was really upset about something that drove there. I

don't know why she went, but that place she loved so much, it would give her a

thawing.

I mean, I can see that happening.

What do you think happened to Mara?

Guy grabbed her walking down the road and killed her.

Probably that night.

I just wish I could sit down and talk to Mara for just a

short time.

What would you say to her?

I wouldn't have to say anything.

I wouldn't need to say anything.

If she came up the stairs right there, neither one of us would need to say

anything.

Fred seems to be so different from the cagey old man everyone warned me about.

In fact, it seems like all he wants to do is talk about Maura, and it's caught

me off guard.

On that dark road, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, no one to call for

I can't talk, boy.

What'd you think of Fred?

I was really actually blown away by Fred.

I mean, he poured his heart out.

Yeah, it's hard to sit there and listen to him when he starts really getting

into memories of Maura. He wants to talk about everything.

Everything.

Fred painted a really positive image of Maura.

But my gut tells me there's a lot more to this story.

And I understand now why everyone was warning me about the layers of this

Fred says Maura is going to clear her mind.

So something was troubling her.

After talking with Fred, I really want to talk to James Renner. Renner's going

to be an interesting interview.

James Renner devoted the last five years of his life to the investigation,

uncovering secrets the family has supposedly kept hidden.

Maggie. James. Hi, nice to meet you.

Art. Hey, Art. Come on in. Thank you.

You know, I think everybody that's drawn to this mystery is drawn to it because

of the puzzle. People come to it to try to be a hero, and they think that

they're going to be smart enough to crack it.

But this case, it weighs on you. You will become obsessed with this case. If

haven't already, you will.

Can you lay out for me what your theory is that happened?

So when you really start looking at this case specifically,

there's no happy ending.

I will tell you this. It's not a crime in the United States to disappear as an

adult. You have that right.

Why would she want to disappear?

I think she was running from the men in her life.

Now more than ever, I'm convinced Maura's alive.

And I think I got really close to finding her.

This season, on the disappearance of Maura Murray.

I found all these secrets.

She mentioned something about her sister.

She didn't deserve any harm.

I really think you can find her.

There's something there that they didn't want me to know.

I don't trust the police.

People want answers, and so they start to point fingers.

But that's not evidence.

I don't look at him like just a person anymore. He's a suspect.

There he is. That's him.

Oh, my God. Wow.

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