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When I look back at
my manic moments, I don't...
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My memory, for some reason,
is really clouded.
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This programme contains scenes which
some viewers may find disturbing
and deals with suicide
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I was at home,
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I think I'd just finished
having a barbecue,
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but it was just me.
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And there was a knock
on the kitchen door...
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LOUD POUNDING
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..and it was a policeman.
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I remember thinking,
"What's a policeman doing here?"
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He seemed like a nice chap.
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I sat down and started showing him,
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I've got a photo of me,
the Queen and I, and getting my OBE.
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Maybe five to ten minutes later,
there's another knock on the door.
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It's another policeman.
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This time,
the policeman is with five firemen -
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the pompiers,
they call them in French.
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And then a doctor turned up,
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and he said,
"We're taking you to hospital."
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And I said, "I'm not going."
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I was trying to fight my way
out of it.
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I had two people either side of me
hold my arms down,
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and I was struggling a lot.
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Then I saw the doctor pull out
this whacking great syringe.
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And I just thought that was it.
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I woke up and I had no idea...
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..whether I was Arthur, Martha,
Tuesday, Thursday - nothing.
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I thought I was in some kind
of police station
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because of the room I was in.
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Only when the psychiatrist came in,
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she told me I was in
a psychiatric hospital.
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It was a dark period.
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The psychiatrist diagnosed me
as bipolar.
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I was... It was a surprise.
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I started to look back
more and more to my life,
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pre-being sectioned,
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and one of the big questions
I asked myself was,
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"How come it's taken me
until my 57th year of life...
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"..to discover that I have bipolar?"
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Finished.
It's finished? How many...?
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Ten.
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Oh, hang on. I found one in the box.
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I moved to the south of France
in 2018,
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where I live with my wife Melanie
and bulldog Harry.
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I've got really thick,
chipolata-like fingers,
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and it's amazing that my food
has been really quite delicate.
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I don't know how the hell
that happened.
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OK, so those are done.
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These are antidepressants.
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These are sleeping tablets.
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This one moderates my production
of dopamine and serotonin -
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because if I have too much dopamine
and too much serotonin,
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I can have a manic episode.
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INTERVIEWER: It seems,
to an outsider, quite a lot.
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It seems to ME quite a lot.
I've got to remember which ones...
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And then when it changes...
I obviously...
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Actually,
I've got to take it now.
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I've put on a nice...
Got a nice belly from it.
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SHE LAUGHS
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I've gained a lot of weight,
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and the speed of my voice now
is way slower
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than it was, even when I wasn't
in a manic episode.
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Get some water.
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Bipolar is generally
extreme mood swings.
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So there can be massive highs
and very deep, dark lows.
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So if I... If I...
Try and imagine a graph here.
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So this, the vertical,
is energy levels
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and the horizontal is time.
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Let's say the graph,
this vertical is here.
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Most people operate...sort of
this level and do this.
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Bipolar 1 basically goes like this.
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So, look, we all have days
when we're a little bit high,
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a little bit low.
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But people with bipolar, their
mood swings are much more severe.
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The lowest low is terrible.
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It's severe depression,
even suicidality.
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And the highs are incredibly high -
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tearing around with lots of energy,
lots of ideas,
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even psychotic delusions.
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Symptoms of bipolar usually present
actually quite early in life,
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so late teenage/early adult life.
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So if somebody develops
bipolar disorder later in life,
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they will have lots of questions
as to whether they've lived
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an entire life having
not been treated, essentially.
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ARCHIVE: It's lunchtime
in the best restaurant in Europe.
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MUSIC: Club Foot
by Kasabian
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But it's not in Paris, Rome,
or in the West End.
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The Fat Duck in Bray, Berkshire,
has been voted the world's best.
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And look how they've done it -
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sardine sorbet,
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bacon and egg ice cream,
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and snail porridge.
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From the beginning,
his creativity was through the roof.
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There was always something
bubbling in his mind.
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I had to bring to him
that little bit of structure,
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because he was doing five or
six things at the same time, always.
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People came to the restaurant
and he would be, like, hyper,
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like, "Hey, yeah, bup-bup-bup!"
But he was cooking. Couldn't stop.
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We were cooking differently.
He behaved differently.
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He was fun.
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So if you look at that whole
progression to TV programmes,
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it wasn't a surprise.
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He was perfect.
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MUSIC: Di-gue-ding-ding
by Michel Legrand
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This was a show for the BBC called
In Search Of Perfection.
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We did this 2006, 2007 -
did two series.
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I just laughed at
my little half-step then.
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HE CHUCKLES
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That's the level of my dancing.
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ARCHIVE: My name is Heston,
Heston Blumenthal,
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and I'm chef proprietor
of the Fat Duck restaurant in Bray.
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It's funny, looking at it now,
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that...some of the techniques
that we tried seem...
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They seem ridiculous,
but they weren't.
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I remember doing Peking Duck,
and they blow air between the skin
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and the flesh to make it
really crisp...
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..so we took the duck
to the petrol station...
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There we go!
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..and used the tyre pump
to blow air into this duck.
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And we hid behind the petrol pump
so no-one saw us.
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Oh, yeah!
Oh, yeah!
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INTERVIEWER: Do you think there
were any signs of bipolar back then?
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I can't think of any...
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I can't think of any signs
of bipolar back then.
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There were moments where
my creativity felt unstoppable.
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Make sure that you put the valve
over the hole in the top of the box.
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Take the vacuum cleaner.
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I felt elation, really high elation,
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but I didn't drop into long periods
of depression.
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You read about bipolar and
how it's got the highs, the manic,
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you've got the lows
and the depression.
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I never saw the lows.
I didn't see those.
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He was - 99.9% of the time - up.
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INTERVIEWER: How would you describe
those periods of intense creativity?
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Er...
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I describe... I think it's
a bit like a kid in a sweet shop.
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The shop is full of these delicious
sweets, and you want all of them.
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Then the roof opens,
and somebody just rains down on you
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all the sweets
that you could possibly want.
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They're just raining down on you.
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That's what it's like in my head.
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Ideas would be flowing
really, really quickly.
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It might involve pairing ingredients
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that are very surprising
to put together.
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It might involve listening
to something while you're eating,
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smelling something while
you're listening to something
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while you're eating.
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Looking back at it,
was that creativity down to bipolar?
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I have no idea.
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When we're talking about mood,
mood can go in any direction.
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Like everything,
everything's on a spectrum.
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So in the middle,
bang in the middle,
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is mood being stable -
or euthymic, we say.
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The mood can go a little bit low.
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It can become severely low - so
mild, moderate, severe depression.
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In the other direction, it can
go into hypomania or mania.
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Hypomania is when there is
the mood elevating a little bit,
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there's a bit more energy.
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Maybe we're not sleeping. Maybe
we're becoming a bit more creative.
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Often patients do say,
"I really enjoy my mania.
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"I hate the depressions.
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"I much prefer the hypomania
or even the manic states."
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PHONE RINGS
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Chief! Hey, Heston.
Are you all right?
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Hey, have you still got
your Christmas tree up?
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LAUGHS: Yeah. Yes.
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When I first came out of hospital,
at the beginning,
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it felt like I was slightly
zombified from the medication.
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I've changed a lot in the sense of
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my massive highs and lows
have been ironed out.
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I'm much calmer,
don't have those manic phases.
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We went to that lighter foam
on our last tasting,
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so it was more seafoody.
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Yeah, the foam before, to me,
it worked cos it was...
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It had a strong lemon/thyme
character to it.
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I think, because we're talking about
the beetroot and the heart of palm,
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they're not up to
what the other dishes can be.
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It was a year ago
he was out of the clinic.
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And the first thing
that I told him is,
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"Look, we have to rebuild everything
bit by bit."
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I think it's the scariest thing
that can happen to any human being.
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Who is not scared to lose his mind
and have to go through this process?
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I was thinking,
"Was I in manic phase, mania,
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"when I was creating those dishes?"
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I don't know, but it would...
It would make sense.
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And if the manic phases
was when I did all the creativity
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and imagination, what happens next?
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Erm... I don't know.
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Coolio.
All right. Excellent. Thanks!
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All right. See you. Bye!
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INTERVIEWER: Are you at all worried
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that you might not get
that creativity back?
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Yes.
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Yeah, I am.
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I've come back to the UK
to check in on my restaurants.
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I'm staying in Bray,
next door to the Fat Duck.
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I'm wondering what my life
will be like
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now my mood is more under control...
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..so I've invited over psychiatrist
Dr Nick Prior.
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Nick. Hi, Heston. Great to meet you.
Great to meet you.
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Yeah, yeah. Real pleasure.
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Nick has bipolar himself,
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so he understands the situation
both as a doctor and as a patient.
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You know, there was a lot of
mental health in my family.
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My... My mother has bipolar.
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She has made some quite serious
attempts on her life.
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It had a big, big influence
on my life,
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a big influence on my relationship
with her.
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And her mother,
she committed suicide and...
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Or what we now call
completed suicide.
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I get suicidal thoughts,
but they're what we would call
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in psychiatry talk
kind of passive suicidal thoughts.
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So I'm lying in bed,
can hardly leave my bedroom,
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and I'm just thinking how hopeless
and I'm not...
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"I'm worthless
and I should just evaporate.
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"I wish I could just evaporate."
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Yes. But it's not writing a note
or actually harming myself.
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I've never gotten to that point.
No. Me neither.
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I am fascinated about, you know,
what it must feel like at your age
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to suddenly have this point
of reflection.
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Did you find that some of
your great breakthroughs
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did come in spurts of creativity
and energy?
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I think so. Yeah. Yeah.
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So do you think
I should be worried about
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whether the medication I'm taking
could have a negative effect
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on my imagination and creativity?
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So this is a good,
an important question,
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especially given your background,
Heston.
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What we do know is that bipolar
can create certain environments
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for the individual.
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Being disinhibited and having
a higher risk appetite...
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Yes. ..allows you to do things
that other people won't try,
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so that creates an increased chance
of potentially some moments
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of beauty and creativity.
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I would argue that
the sacrifice you make
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by allowing the bipolar
to go rampant,
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and potentially you have
these moments of brilliance,
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does have a negative impact.
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And that's one of the main reasons
that I take my medication,
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I do therapy, I look after myself,
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is because I want to be
a consistent, loving husband
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and father to my wife and my kids.
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Yes. And I think if I were you,
I'd be thinking,
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"I've had that fire.
I've had those enlightened moments.
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"I've created some things amazing.
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"And actually, maybe this phase of
my life is about consolidating
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"some of those things
and not searching for it again,"
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potentially. But I don't know
how you feel about that.
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Can you sit with mediocrity,
being mediocre?
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Is that something,
a word that you find difficult?
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NICK LAUGHS
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Look at my lips.
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Erm... Er...
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Yes.
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He is still on a journey,
he knows that,
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and he is still asking questions.
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And I feel quite...
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You know, that's the best place
for a patient to be in.
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I also really did feel the anxiety
and nervousness
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around the use of medication
and creativity,
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especially given the career
that he's had.
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APPLAUSE
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It's Heston Blumenthal,
ladies and gentlemen!
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Heston, is it "Blumen-thal"
or "Blumen-tal"?
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"Bloomin' hell". "Bloomin' hell"?
LAUGHTER
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Next thing you know,
he's just becoming huge, right?
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He's becoming Heston.
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My name became a brand.
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ARCHIVE: We're going to use
four cheeses in this sauce.
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VOICEOVER: I had a range of foods
in Waitrose.
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I had a range of barbecues.
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I had a range of kitchen equipment.
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I mean, everything, when I look back
at it, was going full throttle.
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Got back yesterday.
I was in Australia.
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Very busy time over there.
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Landed crack of dawn, quick shower,
came over here.
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I've got the Fat Duck, the
Perfectionists' Cafe at Heathrow,
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Dinner in the Mandarin in London.
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Dinner in Australia,
and the Hinds Head in Bray,
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plus all the TV shows.
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There was always something
to be worked on.
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CHEERING
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REPORTER: This was all about
thanking those who'd organised
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her Diamond Jubilee celebrations.
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This is the first time
I've seen the actual hamper.
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We tried to get one of these
for today, and they've...
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They haven't given you one?
They've all sold out.
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There it is - the largest soft serve
99 plus flake in the world!
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VOICEOVER: I ended up becoming
a hamster on a wheel.
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And I self-medicated with cocaine.
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I didn't realise
I was self-medicating at the time,
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but I was....
I was absolutely self-medicating.
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And the more time goes on
since I've come out of hospital,
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the more I can see
how extreme those days were.
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It reached a point where I started
to worry about my mental health.
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I knew that I had a busy head,
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but I didn't know if it was
more busy than anyone else's head.
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So I looked up
whether I was autistic.
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I'd done some research
on various neurodiverse conditions.
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But I didn't even think
about bipolar.
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And then this doctor
that I'd met at a dinner
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said he thinks I've got ADHD.
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So I then went and got myself
tested. And that was in 2017.
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Well, the ADHD diagnosis,
it explained quite a lot of things.
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It explained enough for me to live
with it, if that makes sense. So...
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Mm.
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So it can take sometimes - in fact,
we know on average - about ten years
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to get a diagnosis of bipolar,
certainly in the UK.
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That's really complicated as to why.
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Partly because people who are
presenting with symptoms,
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maybe clinicians who see them
say it's just depression,
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it's not bipolar.
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They haven't fully identified
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that it was a hypomanic episode
or even a manic episode.
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And they're not tying
the symptoms together
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to form a bipolar diagnosis.
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Receiving a diagnosis of bipolar
is quite scary, it's stigmatising.
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But actually, we have to also
remember it's completely treatable.
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Over the last few weeks,
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my psychiatrist has switched me
to a different drug, lithium,
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and I'm starting to feel sharper.
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But I still don't understand
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how other creative people
have kept their spark...
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..so I've come to Letchworth
to meet artist Sarah Graham,
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who was diagnosed with bipolar
in 2015.
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Hello, Sarah. Hello!
How are you doing?
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Lovely to meet you.
Lovely to meet you too.
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Welcome to my studio.
Wow!
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SARAH LAUGHS
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Look at this.
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Look at the texture on that.
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Fantastic!
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So I'm a photorealist,
and my art is very colourful
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and bold and out there and...
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You know, and I think
that reflects that side of me. Yeah.
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But then with my bipolar,
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I've suffered really significantly
with depression.
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Were you... Cos you're so creative,
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were you scared of
losing that creativity at any point?
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Terrified, yeah.
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Were you worried about the effect
that the medication would have?
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It's such an interesting question,
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because I know a lot of people feel
that medication dumbs them down.
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And, you know,
I have not been short of ideas. No?
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Particularly recently, I've come up
with all these new ideas
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to take my work in a new direction,
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and I'm on an antidepressant, a mood
stabiliser, and an anti-psychotic.
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Sarah was hospitalised due to a
manic episode that led to psychosis,
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when you lose touch with reality
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and become convinced of things
that just aren't true.
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My mania was reaching a crescendo.
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I thought I was going to be meeting
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the Queen and Prince Philip
for breakfast.
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Yeah? They were going to be
thanking me for this... Yeah.
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..you know, what I'd done,
in my role as an MI5 spy?
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Of course. Erm...
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THEY LAUGH
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And, you know, I can...
Like, I can laugh about it now,
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cos it is... There are parts of it
that are very...
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You know, it's just wild
where my brain went.
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But I... There was a guy
that I wanted to meet
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the Queen and Prince Philip
with me...
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Yeah. ..and I was trying to
get his attention.
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He was up in his flat, and I...
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There was a lorry
coming down the street,
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and I got in the road
and lay down in front of the lorry
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to try and get this guy
to pay attention to me.
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Lots of people called the police.
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I mean, this was happening
around 6.00am in the morning.
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Like... Of course it was. Yeah.
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I hadn't slept for 24 hours
at this point. Yeah.
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Seven police officers turned up...
Yeah. ..and sectioned me...
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They just took you to hospital?
..and off I went in an ambulance.
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Yeah.
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There was a weird dichotomy.
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I knew I was in
a psychiatric hospital... Yeah.
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..I knew I didn't want to be there,
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but I also thought
I had superpowers,
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and I thought the hospital was an
academy for people with superpowers.
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My consciousness was kind of
acting out these two realities,
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and I was so kind of...
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I made a friendship bracelet
for Putin.
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THEY LAUGH
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That is brilliant.
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In my mind, I was capable of...
BOTH: World peace.
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I know that sounds...
No. No, it doesn't sound...
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To me, it doesn't sound...
Doesn't sound...
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I'm smiling because... Yeah.
..you know, I can relate to it.
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I didn't start wearing my underpants
over my trousers, by the way.
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I haven't gone that far!
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THEY LAUGH
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Despite the drama
of her manic episode,
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it is depression which Sarah feels
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had the more profound impact
on her life,
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and she's keen to share with me
exactly how she felt.
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This was in 2015.
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I was in the middle of depression.
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SOBBING: I know that
you're recording.
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MAN: Good.
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Why are you doing that?
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So we can look back on it
when you're better.
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There's a reason that
the Monopoly went missing -
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cos I'm jinxed.
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It's got nothing to do with you.
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People that work with me...get hurt.
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You know, it's...
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ON VIDEO: People who try to help me
get hurt.
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It's all these negative beliefs...
Yeah.
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..that, you know, anyone listening
to me can see it's...
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ON VIDEO: I'm jinxed. I give up!
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Can you...?
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Can you remember all of that?
Yeah. You can?
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Yeah.
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ON VIDEO: ..but it's not genuine,
cos in here, I'm an empty vessel.
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That was a four-month-long
depression in the end.
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And I was like that for four months.
Oh, my God! Yeah.
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I think that's amazing, that
you can bring yourself to show...
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..to show that. Really powerful.
Yeah.
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But, you know, it's an illness. Yes.
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I have been to the darkest places
I think anyone can go to... Go, yes.
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..and I've come through
the other side, and it's empowering.
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I was surprised by Sarah's honesty
talking about her darkest moments.
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It's something I've never
spoken about publicly.
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INTERVIEWER: Do you find it hard
to talk about depression?
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Yeah, I do. I do... I do find it...
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I do find it difficult
to talk about depression.
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So this next clip is from a show
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you've previously told me
you found difficult.
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Helena! Hello.
So what are you doing?
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I'm making toffee apples
with a twist.
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And what's the twist?
It's got a savoury centre.
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Are you putting any unexpected
combinations in this? Yes.
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You are? Yes, I am. Oh, yes!
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My biggest thing with this show...
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..I was no good on there.
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My mind was like...
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..hollow. I don't know...
I don't know how to express it.
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I was tired as well, so I was...
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In the breaks, I was laying down
on the sofa in my dressing room,
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listening to tutored meditation
in the gaps,
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just to try and get my mind into
a different space, cos it was...
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It was in a dark, really dark place.
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I was probably quite
heavily depressed then.
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I wondered if I...
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"If there was a gun here,
would I use it?"
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But there wasn't. And then I...
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I thought of other ways
of ending it,
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and then decided at the end
that I wasn't ready for that.
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But they all went through my head.
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Can we stop that one there?
Yep.
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If you have bipolar
and it's untreated,
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it's potentially really dangerous.
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You know, the depressions
can become so severe
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that somebody becomes suicidal.
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And the manias equally can become
really quite severe.
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And both depression and mania
can keep coming back
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and have profound impacts
on somebody's quality of life.
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So actually, the illness gets worse
if it's untreated over many years,
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over many decades.
460
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,440
Looking back,
461
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,720
I can now see that my mood swings
were becoming more extreme.
462
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,640
The depression gave way to what
I now know were periods of mania.
463
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,560
So coming back to
the sweet shop analogy,
464
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,520
with hindsight,
when I was in a manic state,
465
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,120
there were so many ideas.
466
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,760
So it's raining sweets.
467
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,120
The imagination was running so fast,
you can't catch them all.
468
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,800
I couldn't turn one of them
into something creative...
469
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,280
..because it was being interrupted
by another piece of imagination.
470
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,040
And it's just not good generally.
471
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,240
INTERVIEWER: So, Heston,
what I'm going to play for you now
472
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,000
is an interview you did
for BBC Click,
473
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,000
which is a technology show,
back in 2020.
474
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,520
OK, and this will be interesting
to watch because...
475
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,080
..I don't remember it.
476
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,200
I think it's time to get a view
from someone who is world-famous
477
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,200
at using science and tech
in the kitchen.
478
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,400
It's only Heston Blumenthal!
Hey, Heston. How are you doing?
479
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,640
I'm very good. How are you?
Yeah, all right.
480
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,160
Thank you very much. Getting used to
this new normal... "All right"?
481
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,400
All right?
482
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,480
My word!
483
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,520
So I'll come on to this in a bit,
484
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,720
but one of the great strengths
of human beings
485
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,280
is their ability to connect.
486
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,520
We have human beings
and human doings.
487
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,240
So we have a sympathetic
and parasympathetic nervous system.
488
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,840
So we have a relationship
with ourselves
489
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,680
like Alice In Wonderland -
Big Me, Mini Me.
490
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,240
All he asked me... He's asked me
one question, "How are you?"
491
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,560
That's it.
492
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,840
So we've got to grow up
and go to school and go to work
493
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,280
and get degrees and earn some money
and have a pension
494
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,600
and do all of these things...
495
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,360
And I'm going through a whole
kind of evolution of human beings.
496
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,760
ON VIDEO: Now, language...
497
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,720
HE SIGHS
498
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,680
In Tibet, they have
72,000 different words for emotions,
499
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,880
but it's not enough.
500
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,520
I just haven't stopped talking yet.
I haven't come up for air.
501
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,960
Must be breathing through my ears
or something.
502
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,480
I... You can edit this out,
actually, if you want.
503
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,000
Well, I mean, I have to say...
504
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,240
I mean, this is... This is fabulous.
This is not what I was expecting.
505
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,120
Do you remember what this interview
was supposed to be about?
506
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,240
No. I'm sure you'll tell me.
507
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,640
I can't even guess.
508
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,920
I mean, was it about the evolution
of human beings?
509
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,720
No, it was about whether you could
use robot arms in kitchens.
510
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,720
Was that what it was about?
Yeah.
511
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,000
We're about half an hour in
and we haven't got there yet.
512
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,160
I could answer that
really easily now.
513
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,480
I think if we use robots
to do the jobs that human beings...
514
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,880
Oh, no. I'll leave it.
515
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,840
When Newton...
When the apple fell from the tree,
516
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,080
it took him ten years
between that and his formula,
517
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,040
but he didn't actually
consider the fact
518
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,080
that the Earth was also spinning up
to the apple.
519
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,400
Oh, no!
520
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:26,240
When you look at a fire flickering,
or sunlight flickering on the sea,
521
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,240
or moonlight on the sea,
and you listen to music...
522
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,120
It's like I was trying to condense
a whole book into...
523
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,080
I don't know, I don't know,
but it's... It's full-on.
524
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,200
ON VIDEO: ..dance, the music,
and the...
525
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,280
Would you say this is footage of you
when you're manic?
526
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,640
Yes.
527
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,840
I want to put the shadow back into
the sunlight.
528
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,160
I want to put the inside out
back into the outside in.
529
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,360
I want to put the being
back into the human.
530
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,080
What about our relationship?
531
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,280
If you hate your telephone,
don't blame it on the phone.
532
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,240
Actually...look at your relationship
with the telephone.
533
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,000
To live with me,
534
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,720
if I was talking like that
all the time...
535
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,400
I think that brings me...
That brings tears to my eyes,
536
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,720
because of the thought
of what they had to put up with...
537
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,760
..the potential that I might have...
538
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,600
..upset, troubled,
worried, emotionally harmed
539
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,720
the people that love me
and that I love.
540
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,480
Do you think you might have done?
541
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,120
Well, certainly...
Certainly Melanie, because...
542
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,360
..she saw it escalate.
543
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,000
What impact do you think...
544
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,760
..your manic highs
had on your children?
545
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,120
Er... That's a good question.
546
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,320
I don't know,
cos I haven't asked them.
547
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,360
Is that something you'd be prepared
to do?
548
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,120
Is that something we should do?
549
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,400
Yeah, we should ask them.
550
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,960
Hello! We should be there
in 20 minutes.
551
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,680
See you. Bye.
552
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,600
I'm off to see Jack, my son...
553
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:24,200
..who's about 15 minutes
down the road from Bray, in Marlow,
554
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,920
and he's opened his own restaurant.
555
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,120
Service, please!
556
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,680
I'm slightly nervous.
557
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,640
Maybe I don't want to know
the answers to some of my questions
558
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,160
I'm going to ask - you know,
what was it like?
559
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,200
All right? How are you?
Likewise, I'm good, thanks.
560
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,400
So I've done
a sort of master interview,
561
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,280
and Joe, who's interviewing me,
said,
562
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,880
"What do your kids think
of your bipolar?"
563
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,800
And I stopped and thought,
"I haven't spoken to them about it,"
564
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,360
until now.
565
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,000
You know, we found it difficult
as a family.
566
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000
Obviously, you're kind of
keeping everything together.
567
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,160
It's nice now to have...
not a label on it,
568
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,000
but something we can refer back to
and think,
569
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,520
"Oh, he wasn't just being a dick,"
type of thing.
570
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,280
Yeah. We just wanted a relaxing
conversation with our dad,
571
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,160
and we weren't allowed to have one.
572
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,160
Cos I just didn't... You just didn't
want... Exactly. You didn't want it.
573
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,840
You didn't want to know
anyone's thoughts.
574
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,480
I just don't think you gave a shit.
575
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,840
I'd say, "Yeah, we're all right,
we're just doing this."
576
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,000
And you would just
literally talk over
577
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,040
and then go, "I'm doing this, that,
that, that, that, that.
578
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,680
"I'm going to change the world."
579
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,840
It always started off really well
for a few minutes,
580
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,280
and then it just turned...
581
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,160
A few minutes? Yeah. I had to walk
away sometimes. I had to go like,
582
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,720
"We're not doing this."
583
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:19,720
And every time you'd probably try to
hype ourselves up to come see you,
584
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,080
and it was like a massive...
I'm so sorry.
585
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,760
If we planned it three weeks
in advance,
586
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,200
mentally just getting prepared
just to see you for half an hour.
587
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,440
It was horrible.
And it was constant.
588
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,200
And there was nothing I could do
to help you.
589
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,960
Get myself together.
Yeah.
590
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Erm... Come.
You know, talking about this...
591
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,560
this happened.
592
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,320
And I realised...
593
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,960
..it's...
594
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,400
..not...not me being bipolar,
or it is me being bipolar,
595
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,400
it's damaging the people I love.
596
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,280
The people around me.
597
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,720
So I'm sorry.
598
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,840
All right.
599
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,920
Right.
600
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:23,480
And I don't think you have to
say that, because we know.
601
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,680
We know you kind of were in a bit
of a world of your own
602
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:26,880
on certain points,
603
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,120
and this conversation needs
to be had, isn't it?
604
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,680
I think. Because we're...
Yes.
605
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,760
But I just want you to know
that I love you.
606
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,360
I forgive you for everything.
I'm really proud to be your son.
607
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,840
I'm just waiting for my lips
to stop quivering.
608
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,160
I want to thank you.
Thank you for this.
609
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,040
I want you to know
how sincerely sorry I am.
610
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,480
I love you.
611
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,440
I love you, my children, so much.
612
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,480
And I can see it now.
613
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:09,960
Should we hug it out?
Come on.
614
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,000
Thank you.
615
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,400
Thank you.
616
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,720
Now I can see how distant I became
as a father.
617
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:40,360
I didn't realise I was hurting
any of my kids in those moments,
618
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,360
but that can be changed now.
So this is a really big...
619
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,720
..turn of a page.
620
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,160
INTERVIEWER: I know this is
difficult, but I'd like to talk
621
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,560
about the time just before
you were sectioned.
622
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,440
Erm...
623
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,440
HE SIGHS
624
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:15,240
..my perception of the days
leading up to my hospitalisation
625
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,360
and the reality that I've since
learned from Melanie
626
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,120
are really quite different,
quite different pictures.
627
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,640
At this point,
we are in mid-October,
628
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,000
between September and October, yeah.
629
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,400
And I just feel everything
escalating.
630
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,600
The levels of energy,
the sensitivity, let's say,
631
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,680
the way of reacting to things.
632
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,640
I didn't really see that
there was anything wrong.
633
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,920
I was in a good mood.
634
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,440
I was really...
I was thinking I was happy.
635
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,280
You could see that he was
all over the place.
636
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,520
I went to visit Heston in France.
637
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,880
I had no idea things were
spiralling out of control.
638
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,720
I had no idea about that.
639
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:01,480
Pretty much from the get go,
he was hyper.
640
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,000
Heston's dog Harry. One of these
days that we were there,
641
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,800
he was stood there and he was like,
"Yeah, I've been working on
642
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,360
"this thing where I talk to him
telepathically."
643
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,560
And I was like, "OK."
644
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,640
And he's like,
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, watch.
645
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,640
"Look at the dog, look at the dog,
look at the dog,
646
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:18,960
you know, "watch this."
647
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,240
He felt this was, you know,
important and...and real.
648
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,840
He seemed obviously intense
649
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,800
and his train of thought
was different.
650
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,240
He wasn't sleeping any more,
but at all. At all.
651
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,600
He had ideas,
652
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,880
but the ideas were
a kind of nonsense.
653
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Yeah, I had these feelings of,
I'd say, grandiosity,
654
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,640
or I was like Superman.
655
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,160
I believed that I could
change the world.
656
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,520
For example, I thought I could
solve the water crisis
657
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,120
by getting everyone access
to clean drinking water.
658
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,120
TV chef Heston Blumenthal
shocked the world today
659
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,640
by bringing an end
to the water crisis.
660
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,560
It comes just days after he
successfully brokered world peace.
661
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,800
How the hell was I going to do that
all by myself? I don't know.
662
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,160
But I believed in it.
663
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,920
He was starting to lock himself
in his universe,
664
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,360
and we were absolutely disconnected.
665
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,400
Something changed.
666
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,520
He started to really being
obsessed with,
667
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,840
"Yes, I need to organise my will."
668
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,400
OK. Anyone can do that.
669
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,160
Erm... "But why I do not organise
my death?
670
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,960
"We have a connection with
the number seven,
671
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,360
"so why not in seven years?"
672
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,440
And then it turns like,
"Why we don't do it together?"
673
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,400
It's just... Something is not OK.
674
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,640
At this point, for me,
these things were not OK.
675
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,200
It sort of feels a bit weird
to sort of say it out loud,
676
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,520
but...Heston's one of those people
that I sort of thought
677
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,680
that maybe at some point
I'd get that phone call,
678
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,840
that he wasn't, you know,
he hadn't done well.
679
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,240
I had that feeling.
680
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,840
He started to have
this hallucination.
681
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,720
I just saw this gun on the table.
682
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,560
I was inquisitive, I'd say.
683
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,720
Er...I touched it.
I didn't pick it up.
684
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,720
Afterwards, I wondered if it was
actually a real gun on the table,
685
00:41:58,720 --> 00:41:59,800
would I have used it?
686
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,440
And I asked myself this question.
687
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,040
I'd like to think
I wouldn't have done.
688
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,640
But I don't know. Erm...
689
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,440
That just... That disturbed Melanie.
690
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,000
You realise that he's started
to really be a danger to himself.
691
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,280
Unfortunately, you can't
bring someone to reason
692
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,040
to follow you to the hospital.
693
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,760
There's just one way.
It's, er... Yeah.
694
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:31,880
Calling the medical team to see
if they section him or not.
695
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,680
It's a lot of guilt.
696
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,800
It's a lot of guilt.
It's a lot of questions. It's...
697
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,960
Me, I had to keep in my mind, like,
"He's going to hate me.
698
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,200
"He's going to hate me."
699
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:57,960
But at this point,
if I left him like that,
700
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,560
it could be also not helping him?
701
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,200
Looking at him...
702
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,680
..I don't know, dying? Because
it was that, we were on this point.
703
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,240
Erm...
704
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,960
Yeah, it's, it's... It's tough.
705
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,600
I spent two weeks
in the psychiatric hospital,
706
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,480
then moved to a specialist clinic
for six weeks,
707
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,160
so it was a total of two months.
708
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,040
Would I have sectioned myself?
No way.
709
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,120
But she had to do it for me
and for herself as well.
710
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:39,720
Looking back at it...
711
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,160
..the alternative was not an option,
712
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,920
because I wouldn't be here
any more.
713
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:02,080
My bipolar had to progress to a
point where I was a danger to myself
714
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,120
before anyone could raise the alarm.
715
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,720
Being known for my energy
and creativity
716
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:11,240
might have made people less likely
to question my behaviour.
717
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,200
It's estimated that
one in three people with bipolar
718
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,880
only get their diagnosis
after being hospitalised,
719
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,160
so I've been speaking openly
about my condition
720
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,880
to help raise awareness.
721
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,520
I'm in a lucky position
722
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,000
that I have a platform...
723
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,760
..to...to actually spread the word
724
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,120
to make people more aware
of the condition.
725
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,000
Lovely to see you. Lovely to see
you, guys. Take care.
726
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,040
What kind of impact, then,
has the diagnosis had on you?
727
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,000
The more time passes
since I came out of hospital,
728
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,520
the more I can look back and think,
729
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,080
"Oh, my God,
that behaviour wasn't normal."
730
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,680
I mean, how are you now?
731
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,320
They've been reducing my...
732
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,280
Er, the doctor's reducing
my medication,
733
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,320
but I feel I'm stabilising,
which is...which is really good.
734
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,440
Heston, thanks so much.
735
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,720
Really appreciate you talking
so openly. Thank you.
736
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:18,720
Afterwards, I was overwhelmed
by the number of people
737
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,760
who got in touch to share
their own stories.
738
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,920
Many told me about the poor level
of support they've received.
739
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,960
There are an estimated 1 million
people with bipolar here in the UK.
740
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,480
Are we doing enough
to look after them?
741
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,160
So this is the main BBC newsroom.
742
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,920
It's one of the biggest newsrooms
in the world.
743
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,960
In the world? Yeah. What's...?
That's the studio over there?
744
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,680
That's one of the news studios.
745
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,640
If you walk in the background
of that one,
746
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,200
then you can be sometimes seen.
747
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,160
Health investigations reporter
Chloe Hayward
748
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,440
has spent months researching
bipolar care,
749
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,480
talking to patients
up and down the country.
750
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,800
More people have bipolar
in this country than have dementia.
751
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,920
But when I sent emails to
NHS England saying, "Please can
752
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,080
"I have some information around
the number people with bipolar,
753
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,720
"the number of beds
for people with bipolar,"
754
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,160
it was, like, "We're really sorry,
we can't give you that information,
755
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,520
"but we can give it to you
for dementia and schizophrenia."
756
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,040
So do you think the health service
are not doing enough?
757
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,400
I think when it comes to bipolar,
758
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,720
there is a lot of capacity
to do more.
759
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:28,360
One of the key things is the fact
that in this country,
760
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,400
it's total pot luck.
761
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,640
Where you live reflects
how good your care is.
762
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,920
This map - so this is the number
of psychiatrists available
763
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,200
per 100,000 people in the country.
764
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,040
So in Scotland, you've got 22
per 100,000 people.
765
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,160
And think how spread out
Scotland is.
766
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,000
So the distances people are having
to travel to try and get that care.
767
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,560
Yeah. But when you look at Wales
and the south west -
768
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,200
so Wales less than 17, south west
less than 16 psychiatrists
769
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,240
per 100,000 of the population.
770
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,920
And we're not talking about
just psychiatrists
771
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,800
that are looking after people
with a bipolar diagnosis.
772
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,680
We're talking about people
with dementia,
773
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,760
people with schizophrenia,
774
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,520
we're talking about people
with depression.
775
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,680
And of course, you need
a psychiatrist to get a diagnosis.
776
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,440
Absolutely. You cannot get a bipolar
diagnosis without seeing
777
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,720
a psychiatrist in this country.
778
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,600
So what's the result of this poor
level of care regarding bipolar?
779
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,400
The numbers are very stark
in terms of quality of life
780
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,720
and outcome for life.
781
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,720
So the number of people
taking their own lives,
782
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,560
who have a bipolar diagnosis,
is on the rise.
783
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,120
So quite in contrast
to overall population rates,
784
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,480
where actually
the suicide rates are falling.
785
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,400
I thought Chloe said some things
that were really quite disturbing.
786
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,920
I mean, the sheer lack of
psychiatrists that we've got
787
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,800
in this country means that people,
to get a diagnosis,
788
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,040
they have to wait for years.
789
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,720
And when you consider
you've got the manic highs,
790
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:54,360
where they can be wonderful
for people to do some
791
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,600
very dangerous things,
and then you get the manic lows
792
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:03,160
where you have attempted
or actual suicide.
793
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,160
It's really dangerous.
It's a terrible situation.
794
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,600
Chloe has suggested
I come to Clacton-on-Sea
795
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,400
to meet a family
that's experienced this first-hand.
796
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,400
Rebecca McLellan,
a student paramedic,
797
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,200
was diagnosed with bipolar aged 22.
798
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,480
My bipolar right now
be popping, right?
799
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,120
I'm in a mixed episode.
It's been like it for a few weeks.
800
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,160
All in a day's work, if you like.
801
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,040
But just two years later,
802
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,800
in her flat in Ipswich,
she died by suicide.
803
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,040
Her mother, Natalie, feels that
the poor care Rebecca received
804
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,160
contributed to her death.
805
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,160
So, Natalie, tell me about Rebecca.
806
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,440
Well, where do you start
about Rebecca?
807
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,960
I'll show you some photographs
of her,
808
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,000
because it's important for you
to see who she was.
809
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,360
Lovely smile.
She did.
810
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,400
She was always smiling
when she was well.
811
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,440
She was a very bright, funny,
beautiful, well thought of person.
812
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,760
There's some beautiful
photographs here.
813
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,800
Yeah. I don't think she really took
a bad one.
814
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,160
When did you first realise
Rebecca was struggling?
815
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,040
She was about 21 at that point,
when she actually first went to
816
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,560
the doctors and said, "I think
there's something going on."
817
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,040
So she was aware and started to try
and do something about it?
818
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,760
She did, yeah. Yeah.
She went and talked to them.
819
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,560
I think she thought that they were
going to give her
820
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,640
some antidepressants and off she'd
go. I don't think for one second
821
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,200
she thought that she was going to
get the diagnosis that she did,
822
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,400
and she didn't get it straight away
either.
823
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,920
It wasn't until 2022 that she
was actually diagnosed with bipolar.
824
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,160
Yeah.
825
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,280
Over the next year,
826
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,360
Rebecca tried various medications
to manage her bipolar,
827
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,320
but they proved ineffective,
828
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,440
and her wellbeing started
to deteriorate.
829
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,360
So we get to sort of May '23,
830
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,080
and she had serious
suicidal ideation.
831
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,880
She was telling them
that she was suicidal.
832
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,520
She didn't tell anyone else.
833
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,040
She was having massive depressive
episodes at that point,
834
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,560
and she was ringing the mental
health unit saying, "I need help.
835
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,080
"I need someone to ring me back.
I need to come in."
836
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,960
And what happens? Nothing.
Nothing? They didn't...
837
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,040
They didn't call her back. They
didn't get back in touch with her.
838
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,440
And that takes us to
the 7th of August.
839
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,000
She presented herself at
the Mental Health Crisis Unit,
840
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,360
and that was where she'd been
referred to by her GP.
841
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,320
That was where they told her to go
if she was in crisis.
842
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,120
She begged for help.
843
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,280
They... I've got video footage
844
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,400
of them talking over her
for six minutes.
845
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,440
I'll play you the video.
846
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,720
ON VIDEO: I can't,
I can't go to A&E.
847
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:56,520
I work for the Ambulance Service.
I'm not going over to A&E.
848
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,280
Like I say, I don't care who it is,
849
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,040
any kind of mental health
professional,
850
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,000
any kind of mental health
professional.
851
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,560
It doesn't even have to be
my team, a psychiatrist, anything.
852
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,720
I'm not going to go over it again.
853
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,520
Every single time I get promised
a call back,
854
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,240
and nothing, and literally
nothing ha... And nothing...
855
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:16,600
..but you are going to need to see,
856
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,480
if there is nobody available to see
you, and I'm sorry about that.
857
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,920
I saw my GP on Wednesday.
858
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,360
Erm, she called personally herself,
raising her concerns.
859
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,560
I'd actually called the day before,
and they said that they'd call me
860
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,160
and have me in,
and things have reached that point,
861
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,240
and I don't mean to be a bitch,
862
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,560
but I'm not leaving
until I speak to someone.
863
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,560
Because we'll call police
or security.
864
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,560
Please do. I just need to speak
to anyone at all.
865
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,480
I need speak to someone.
Anyone at all.
866
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,600
"I'll call the police."
Yeah. It's outrageous.
867
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,600
It's outrageous. She's just been
kicked away. Yeah.
868
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,800
God.
Yeah.
869
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,880
And that's really difficult
to watch.
870
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,240
Really difficult. Sorry.
871
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:09,960
Sorry.
872
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,880
I saw her about a week and a half
later,
873
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,240
and they'd put her on
an antidepressant at that point.
874
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:28,320
In the following months,
Rebecca's mental health improved,
875
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,360
but after a suspected adverse
reaction to one of her medications,
876
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,360
her psychiatrist insisted that
she switched to lithium instead.
877
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,360
Lithium is a safe
and effective treatment,
878
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,920
but requires careful management.
879
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,440
She was terrified of lithium.
880
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,200
You have to titrate off
of all of your drugs.
881
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,280
Yeah. Then go on to the lithium.
I've gone through that.
882
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,440
I think she thought that she was
going to have to do that
883
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,720
with no mental health support,
884
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:57,920
because that's
what she'd experienced.
885
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,360
That was her whole experience,
886
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,240
that she was going to be
titrated off of everything...
887
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,160
With no support.
No support.
888
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,800
She'd rang them back and said,
889
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,880
"I really don't want
to go on lithium."
890
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,200
She rang them and contacted them
several times over a couple of days.
891
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,640
They were supposed to
come back to her,
892
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,920
and they didn't come back to her.
893
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,120
And then she took her life
on the 20th.
894
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,320
She thought that she had no option.
895
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,640
You know?
I'm so sorry.
896
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:26,720
Thank you.
897
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,560
It's not easy. No, it can't be. No.
898
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:32,960
And I think, erm...
899
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:39,480
..losing her... Yeah. ..is awful.
900
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,880
Losing her when something could have
been done about it,
901
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,800
or certainly her suffering
could have been less... Yeah.
902
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,160
..is, erm, far worse.
903
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,320
You know, she, on paper, had it all,
Heston. And I think,
904
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,320
like yourself, you know,
she was successful,
905
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,280
she was popular, she was doing
the career she wanted,
906
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,040
she had a flat, she had a nice car.
Yeah. She had it all.
907
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,160
But actually, that doesn't mean
that it can't take you,
908
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,720
it can't take over your life
if it's not managed correctly.
909
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:16,360
And actually, all she wanted
was some help to manage it properly.
910
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:22,360
And I try not to be bitter,
but I get very angry.
911
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,800
She absolutely suffered
more than she needed to suffer.
912
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,480
And that's, you know, that's a fact.
913
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,760
That's a fact. That's tough.
914
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,520
You don't ever want your children
to suffer. That...
915
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,960
I don't...
916
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,880
It's tough. It's really tough.
Yeah.
917
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,880
And this must be really close to
the bone for you because this
918
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,640
is what you live, just like she did,
you know?
919
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:55,920
And you're not on your own.
920
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,480
Other people are out there
feeling the same. Yeah, exactly.
921
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,240
That was an eye-opener, for sure.
922
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:14,360
Erm, I was lucky in that,
with my sectioning,
923
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,560
I was being monitored, and then
afterwards, I had support.
924
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,840
But the nature of this condition,
925
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,760
if there isn't the care,
the support network,
926
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,200
around individuals with bipolar...
927
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:35,200
then... Look at Rebecca.
People will take their lives.
928
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,400
And the longer it takes
to get this sorted out,
929
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,720
the more lives will be lost.
930
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,960
We are letting people down in the UK
who have bipolar disorder.
931
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,160
Someone with bipolar untreated
can die
932
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,560
at least 10 or 15 years earlier
than the general population.
933
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,840
And that's a real tragedy
and that doesn't need to happen.
934
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,480
You can have a perfectly beautiful,
normal life.
935
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,880
Sadly, we just don't have
the structures
936
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,440
and the services
that support patients,
937
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,200
so that's what we need to change.
938
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,400
Picked a nice day for it, Heston.
Yeah, it's lovely.
939
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,880
Over the last 30 years,
The Fat Duck has shaped me
940
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,320
more than anything else in my life.
941
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,720
Funnily enough,
942
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:48,640
maybe the hardest thing of all
in the recovery process
943
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,640
when I was in hospital is that
it took me away from the restaurant.
944
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,040
OK, here we go.
945
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,200
Hello! How are you?
I'm very good. Nice to see you.
946
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,120
Good to see you.
Hey, how's it going?
947
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,440
How are you? Good. Hi, chaps.
Chapettes. Chapesses.
948
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,720
When we started making
this programme,
949
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:13,600
I was concerned, apprehensive,
let's say,
950
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,400
that maybe my creativity
and my imagination would go,
951
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,640
would disappear.
952
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,880
Hey, how's it going? How are you?
Yeah, good, man.
953
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,280
Hi, chaps.
Hello, Chef.
954
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,640
But I'm still full of creativity,
imagination,
955
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,640
and happy to be alive.
956
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,120
This is snail porridge.
The famous snail porridge.
957
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,720
Was I worried for him? Yeah.
958
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,720
But I can only see him getting
more positive from here.
959
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,320
That's who he is.
960
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:46,880
Backs, please.
961
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,320
And now I've got my husband,
962
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,600
who is waking up with a smile,
who is motivated.
963
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,880
It's a process, but it's a good one.
It's a good one.
964
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,280
So this is the chocolate room.
965
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,160
I still have bipolar,
and I had bipolar before,
966
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,360
I just don't have
those manic states.
967
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,000
Never a million miles away from
a jug of liquid nitrogen here.
968
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:20,120
The peaks of my manic highs
have shrunk
969
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,480
and the depths of the lows
have risen.
970
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,440
But I'm still Heston.
971
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,040
Want to know more about
the lived experience of bipolar?
972
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,840
Watch the Open University's
new animation,
973
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,400
which brings a personal account
to life.
974
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,280
Scan the QR code on screen
or visit...
975
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:45,880
..and follow the links
976
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,200
to the Open University.
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