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I'm a copier, a cheater.
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Ruggero Deodato´s film had just come
out and had gone really well...
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called Eaten Alive... No... Yes...
it was called Last Cannibal World...
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It had done really well, it had been seized by the
censors, so we decide to ride their commercial success.
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I had an associate called Fabrizio De Angelis, with whom I put
together a company in order to make Emanuelle and the Last Cannibals.
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It came out well, with this combination, a little
horror and a little sex, that worked well...
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We went to Fogliano, but
nobody believes we did.
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We hired a lot of Filippino's from Rome, we put
some wigs on them and pretended they were lndio's.
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They all fell into the trap.
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At Fogliano there is an artificial
lake with two palm trees...
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it could look like the Amazon and with these
Filippino's in wigs, it was perfect...
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I first met Aristide
Massaccesi in 1971
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when I worked on the first
film I had written.
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A film directed by Michele Lupo,
with Giuliano Gemma.
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Aristide, during this period, was a director
of photography and a camera operator.
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I liked him because he was
simple and spontaneous
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very friendly, and extremely brave.
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I saw him shoot a scene,
precariously tied to a coach
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with the serious risk of
harming himself.
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I asked him if he was crazy.
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He was a pleasant person
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and he always had a joke so you
would always be laughing.
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With Emanuelle e Francoise- le
sorelline (Emanuelle's Revenge)
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I was involved by chance.
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He had a script that was too short and
he asked me to have a look at it.
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I admit to having stolen the
idea from an old film,
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adding this idea of a man being
held captive in a cage.
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A French film, that took the concept
from a previous Greek film.
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It was an idea that had been
copied a couple times.
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He offered me a role.
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I didn't want to do the film,
especially my role.
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It took place in a villa owned by
one of the producers,
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Which was a five minute
walk from my house.
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So, seeing as I needed the money...
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the morning cf the shoot, instead of getting a
cappuccino, I went there and did my scenes.
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That's the only reason I did it.
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I've never seen the film.
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I haven't the foggiest idea
of what came of it.
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I doubt there is a film, in which Aristide put
any real effort in the framing of his shots.
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That was not his role. His
role was to hurry up.
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Most of his films were sold
before shooting,
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he would get money from the
distributors and shoot them.
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Often he would go so quickly that he would
finish a lot sooner than scheduled.
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He couldn't go tell this to the distributors
though because if not they would say:
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“why the fuck did I give that
amount of money?”
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Once, one of his
distributors visited the set
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and we didn't have a
thing to show him
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so we pretend to shoot without any
film in the camera.
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He explained the situation to us and
we went along with his charade.
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The Anthropophagus project
was born by chance.
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I had gone to his office for a visit and he
was dealing with a script that didn't work.
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He only had the beginning:
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a man that finds himself
shipwrecked on a lifeboat.
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I told him, jokingly “I will write it for
you but I have to be the protagonist”.
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The film was supposed to
be set in Greece.
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I would often choose what films to do on the
basis of where they were going to be shot.
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I wrote what you can
see in the film.
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There weren't any great ideas.
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The only original concept was this
man going crazy and
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basically becoming a cannibal
after devouring his son.
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As luck would have it, I didn't
even get to go to Greece
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because all my scenes
were shot in Rome.
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Talking about the film is difficult,
because there is nothing to it
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just a few gruesome scenes that a
certain fraction of the public like.
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I enjoyed writing them but I
can't say I liked them.
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Absurd however, which can be
considered a sort of a sequel,
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I had more fun writing.
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Even though that too was a little
film, not a big deal.
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Following Aristide's request I tried to conceive
a film that wasn't going to be too expensive
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where most cf the action took place on one set:
a villa, in which this crazed man finds refuge.
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It's your average horror film,
nothing exceptional... but it works.
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My first meeting with Michele was in
a cemetery at night...
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but I'm not sure it was Absurd
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maybe another film... no it
was probably Absurd.
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We needed a bunch of teens
with motorbikes.
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Calling here and there they rounded
up a few friends and
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among this group there was also Michele Soavi
and that's where he fell in love with cinema
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and fell in love with Aristide,
because it was hard not to.
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He even came on the following days
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when we didn't need the
bikers anymore.
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He would hang round and help, asking
if he could do anything.
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Slowly a relationship began. Aristide
took him under his wing, like a son.
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Michele was completely unaware of
what life on a set was.
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He was bright and loved cinema, in fact
he had a developed aesthetical taste...
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I met Aristide Massaccesi through his trusted
Assistant Director, Claudio Bernabei
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with whom I was also a friend.
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He was working on Absurd and for a scene
they needed kids with motorbikes...
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...and of course being a
small production
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they were looking for people who could
bring their own bikes with them,
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at Manziana where they
were shooting.
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He looked at me and asked “do you have a
photo?” I answered “of me or my motorbike?”
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and he began laughing. It was
love at first sight.
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I was very young, nineteen years old
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and trying to find some work,
fascinated, as I was, by cinema.
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At night, I would admire these spaceships that
would be shooting in the city, during the summer.
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For me that was a dream, instead of
hanging out in bars smoking joints.
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To be able to work in that world, at
night, was like a dream to me.
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I was picked so I went to the
set with my bike.
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It was a night shoot,
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there was me and other teens and we
were supposed to taunt an old drunkard
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on this minuscule set, made
out of 8 people.
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I would see this little man, Aristide, climbing
on vans and shooting all over the place.
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In six hours we had an
infinite number of shots.
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I was paid immediately, which is
something very rare.
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Usually you get paid weeks later but
instead his partner, Donatella Donati
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came up to me smiling and handed me
my 50 thousand lira.
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For the bit parts or as
an assistant.
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Then Michele was an AD on a film I
directed, as always, produced by Aristide.
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Seeing Michele as kept insisting, Aristide
decided to give him a chance in directing a film
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and he asked me to write the script.
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Actually, he asked me
to write two...
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...one for Michele and one for me.
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The first film I wrote was... the one he called
Acquarius... Stagefright and I was supposed to direct it,
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but I was having trouble with a restaurant I had
just opened in Rome and had to take care of it,
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so I told Aristide “Michele can direct the
first and I will do the following one”.
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So Michele directed Stagefright...
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which is another film I wrote with a
small budget in mind.
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There wasn't much money, so I set the story
in one location, this big abandoned theatre.
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The film is nice, it works very
well, especially thanks to Michele
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who did a better job than what I
would have ever done.
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I was more talented with actors but he had a
great visual sense and a good taste in music.
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The film even won a prize at Avoriaz Film
Festival and its mostly thanks to Michele.
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One day he asked me if I wanted to
work on a film as a script supervisor.
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That was the time of Caligula:
The Untold Story,
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where I met many people that became
important in my career.
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For example David Brandon, a
wonderful Irish actor with whom
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I became friends and later cast as
the protagonist in Stagefright.
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Stagefright arrived just like that.
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I had already become as assistant to Dario Argento
and I had done other things with Aristide as an AD.
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I had also already directed a
couple of music videos
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which I immediately brought to
Aristide for his opinion.
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One useless cloudy morning Aristide
calls me and asks me
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if I want to direct a horror film.
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“Are you sure you want to put the
responsibility of a film in my hands?”
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“Yes, come over and we can talk.”
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So we started working on the project, which began with a
completely different story from what became the film.
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We would have these long brain-storming
sessions in which we talked about
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how this film was supposed to be, I
would explain what I had in mind...
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That was the period in which
Filmirage was born.
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There were young directors, one American, Deran
Sarafian and Fabrizio Laurenti for example.
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He was the first to create a reality
for which to nurture young talent.
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Aristide's school was more
than essential to me.
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He was the first one to put an Arriflex in
my hands and say “shoot, shoot, just shoot”
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He would suggest shots or do a
scene with a stuntman
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and ask me to be the extra camera.
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It was a very
stimulating atmosphere.
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So Stagefright was born in a beautiful
delirium of emotions and feelings.
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Then Montefiori came on-board with a
script he had written for me.
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This was very fortunate because the script was
suitable for me and perfect for Aristide's wallet.
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The location, an abandoned theatre,
kind of a hanger
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which was supposed to be in America
and was perfect for me
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and allowed me to have all the time
necessary to elaborate the scenes
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not having had much experience...
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my knowledge was mostly theory
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even if I had done various films as an AD and I had been
able to work in various roles: as a grip, an operator...
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this saved me because to direct you
need to know how to do everybody's job
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so not to get ripped off when it
comes to time and costs.
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It was an expensive
film for Aristide.
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He would usually do films
in three weeks
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he had given me four and we
ended up needing six
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but he was very, very happy
with the footage.
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The film was photographed
by Renato Tafuri
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who did a wonderful job.
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A lovely photographer that contributed
to the fortune of this small film,
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which later won a prize at Avoriaz and opened
my career internationally with Terry Gilliam.
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Let's start by saying that for me
Aristide Massaccesi was our Roger Corman.
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In the sense that Aristide, on one
side was a great professional.
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A wonderful DOP. Then on the other he was
a completely crazy producer, like Corman.
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Our meeting occurred in occasion of Goblin, known
as Troll 2, my first experience in the States.
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Aristide had created a
strange situation:
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he had a truck full cf cameras and electrical equipment
with which he toured America working with various
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crew members of the independent
American film industry.
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Money arrived from independent American
producers or from Italian production companies
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like the ones I had worked with: Filmexport, Franco Gaudenzi´s
Flora Film, all of whom made films for the American market.
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The astuteness of Aristide was “if I have to do films that
imitate the American's it's better for me to shoot them there.”
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One might think it would be very
expensive but actually it wasn't.
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If you go and shoot in the province, like me in Utah,
working without involving the unions and do a small film
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it costs as much as going to the
Philippines to shoot.
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Of course it takes courage but
he had plenty of it.
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He was extremely creative.
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All the scripts that came in, me and Rosella
would discuss them with him. He was great.
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While he was around this style of cinema could
exist, with his departure this cinema died with him.
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Aristide Massaccesi, real name of Joe D'Amato, was
a father figure for me, as he was for many others.
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Filmirage was his factory and he launched many
artists. He called me “the visionary” because
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I had some crazy ideas
which he loved.
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My relationship with him was incredible and
that kind of relationships between writer
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and producer, sadly,
doesn't exist anymore.
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He always knew what we were talking about, he knew how to
truly read a script, which may seem like a silly thing...
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...but now producers don't read scripts
and don't know how to read them.
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He was very creative and for me it
was like a school, an academy.
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Aristide made me write completely
different stories...
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he would tell me write a horror,
write an erotic film
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- like Eleven Days, Eleven Nights which
was the first erotic comedy in my career.
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Write me a pseudo-Rambo, write me a a Vietnam movie,
a fantasy film. we would always be changing genre.
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He would tell me that every five pages something
had to happen, if not it doesn't work.
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Plus I would laugh a lot around him. He was filled
with irony and would always have a joke ready
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but he was never vulgar. I really to
underline this because
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I've read in books about him or
viewed interviews online...
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people speak well about him but are
also saying he was crude or vulgar.
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I never heard him say a bad word, or curse. A man
of simple tastes, clean and always a gentlemen.
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Something that still moves me every
time I think about him.
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A wonderful thing he told me that I will never forget:
“never cut your wings”, alluding to creativity.
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Every time I would have to write something
I would ask how much the budget was
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and he would answer “you write and don't worry
about anything. Don't set any limits, just fly”.
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I can only be grateful and say thank you for the
relationship and friendship I had with him.
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The basis of our collaboration was
of reciprocal respect
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and his capacity to make me laugh.
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I found him, in an ambiguous
environment like the one of cinema
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where there is a lot of
pretentiousness, a very simple person.
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Direct while speaking and especially good natured.
Very generous, that was his biggest trait.
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Our partnership developed in a way
that was not consistent.
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Until 1971, I was only an actor and
I had never written anything.
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After having met him I
started writing.
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I wrote for many production
companies, not only for him
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but with him I would
have the most fun.
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First of all because he
was intelligent.
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When I wrote something that was good
he would take what I had done
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without changing anything.
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While, what irritated me with other
directors and producers,
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was the fact they always had
something to say,
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to modify or change making the story
worse instead of better.
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In other words, the esteem he had for me and
my work made him even nicer in my eyes.
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As a director he had his limits,
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but they weren't limits due to a
lack of capabilities
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but due to his desire for doing
things on a small budget.
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It's obvious if you do a film in ten
days, two weeks maximum
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that you can't afford to take care
of shots and the fine details.
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It was his choice however.
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If he had wanted to, he could have
become, probably not a great director...
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-he was a competent professional but
could only reach a certain level-
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but he could have become
a big producer.
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His greatest capacity was to be
liked by everybody.
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Everyone I know that had a
chance to work with him
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did so happily because he had
a great personality
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and really managed to
make you feel good.
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The films I did in Central
America with him
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I did them, not because I was
interested in the stories...
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I didn't even read the scripts...
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but because working with him was a
bit like being on vacation.
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Working at Filmirage with somebody
which was so knowledgeable,
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capable of doing everything from
working the lights to camera operating
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from directing to photographing, was
like attending an academy.
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Working and observing
everything he did...
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...in every area of filmmaking: how
he would be on set directing or...
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how he prepared and organised his films. There was a
lot to learn and it was wonderful to work with him.
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He would be a real artisan, even
discussing the masks and effects we had
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handmade by Maurizio Nardi and other great artists, that
used to work with plastic and not gel like they do now
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and able to give them suggestions,
as with the editor...
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Working with him meant not only working in a protective
environment but also meant that you were always learning.
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There was always a sense of
community and family.
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It's never happened like that again...
We were all his sons and daughters.
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The production company was made out
of two main figures:
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one was Aristide, the good father to us all,
the young writers, directors and even actors
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that were being forged
like Deran Sarafian
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with whom I became friends and I
wrote his first film for him.
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He was sent by Sarlui who asked
Massaccesi “get this kid started”.
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The second figure, who wasn't at all maternal, poor thing
she died not many years ago, was Donatella Donati.
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Donatella Donati and Massaccesi made
an incredible couple:
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Aristide was sweeter, kinder but all the annoying things, the
stuff he didn't want to do he would delegate them to Donatella
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who was a hound, a strong woman,
daughter of an important producer.
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They were an extraordinary couple,
professionally speaking.
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Then there was a whole army of secretaries,
lawyers, administrators and editors...
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nearly all women who were in some
way an appendix of this couple.
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All these people were very
protective with them.
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I have never seen employees so
attached to their employers.
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They adored them and I think this was due to the fact that
they would infuse the workplace with a family mechanism.
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There was a very human-based
rapport between everybody:
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if you had to have a fight you would -sometimes a screenplay
wouldn't work- you would say things directly in someone's face.
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It was really like being in a
family. Something strange and rare.
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I started composing with Edoardo
Vianello and Wilma Goich.
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Edoardo, apart from singing with Wilma and with the
Vianellas, was interested in composing for films and theatre.
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He asked me if I had ever composed anything and as a
matter of fact I had only done a few small things.
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So he involved me in the making of the
soundtrack of a film and a theatre piece.
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The play was called Sempre in camicia (Always with a
Shirt) and it had a group of actors that later became
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maybe not famous, but well-known.
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That was my first big experience
composing a soundtrack.
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In the meantime this music was listened to
by some people which started asking me if
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I was willing to compose the music for .
..let's say more important films.
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One of these was Aristide Massaccesi who “saw”
in me a more horrific vein than a romantic one,
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which I do feel is pronounced in me
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and he proposed that I compose
the music for Absurd, Rosso sangue.
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While asking me to do this film, he also asked if
I could replace the soundtrack for another film.
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I won't say the name of the musician
but the film was Unconscious
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a title that was later discarded and replaced. He
had directed this film but didn't like the music.
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I did a new soundtrack and the film was released with
this other composer in the credits but with my music.
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Immediately after we did Absurd, for
which I have, naturally, full ownership.
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This began a career, mostly in horror films, but
in the meantime I would do many other things.
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Aristide Massaccesi was a very nice person.
With the people that worked for him
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and so with me as well, he was
undoubtedly demanding.
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He had clear ideas generally, but in respect to music, not so
clear; but as far as everything else I would say very clear.
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He was a man full of resources, capable with two
Quartz, a lightbulb and candle to photograph anything,
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and you would watch the scene and go
“who did this, Vittorio Storaro?”
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With me he was a wonderful person and
would leave me free to express myself.
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I worked with many directors and the only one
that really knew what he wanted musically
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was Lucio Fulci, who was a bit of
a musician himself.
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But apart from Lucio, I worked with directors
who would impose their musical ideas
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which is fine by me, a director
is like an orchestral conductor.
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When I'm directing an orchestra I don't impose but
I except my ideas and visions to be followed...
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because I'm composing, I know
the rhythm and atmospheres required.
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A film director is like me when I step onto
the podium. The director is the leader.
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For example in a film, during a chase, if he wants a
love theme, even if there are people shooting guns
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and running I will do what he says.
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So there are directors who impose and have this
sort of approach, even when their ideas don't work
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in the case of Aristide this didn't
happen, he would trust me.
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I can't think of one single theme he imposed on me.
I have a nice memory of him even in this sense.
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First of all he did something that
few people would do.
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When he commissioned a film to a director he would
never go on set and intervene or be polemical.
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He would only step in if
there were problems.
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For example, if there was a film that had to last three
or four weeks and the director was late on arrival
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in that case he would intervene
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and would maybe take the
camera operator's place.
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I had a very direct and cordial relationship with
him and when I directed Beyond Darkness (La casa 5)
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we already had a strong synergy after Troll
2 and so he let me proceed freehandedly.
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He would never be invasive. A real cinema-man.
People like him don't exist anymore.
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Volcanic because he was fecund
with ideas and projects.
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Ironic because he had an accentuated sense cf humour. Bitter
because in his films there is a profound existential streak.
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I'm naturally talking about his horror/giaililthriller
works and not the other part of his career.
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I didn't know him personally but when
I did meet him the image I had of him
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from reading interviews and watching his films,
was confirmed. He was just like I imagined him.
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I was introduced to Aristide Massaccesi by Lucio Fulci.
We are in the late eighties, early nineties here.
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During this period, Lucio was preparing
with Aristide The Doors to Silence.
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One day I receive a telephone call from Aristide's
office telling me they needed somebody to
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reshape a script. Aristide wanted to direct
but wasn't convinced by it very much.
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We are talking about Frankenstein 2000. I
said yes immediately and went to meet him.
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I found a man that was a true Roman, disillusioned,
sarcastic and a pleasure to listen to.
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It was a situation similar, but a little more articulated, in
comparison to what I had already done with Cat in the Brain.
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Here there was script written by Michele Soavi
and Marcello Modugno in which Aristide wanted to
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insert more of a literary connection
with Mary Shelley's novel.
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I concentrated myself on the figure of the monster: his awakening,
when he is telepathically reanimated by this girl in a hospital bed
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during a dark and stormy night, an atmosphere
that connects it to the literary source.
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Then I wrote some of the killings, a few were
already in the script but others I wrote.
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The ones committed by the creature who takes
revenge on this friend whom he was very tied to.
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Donald O'Brien was a wonderful
person, exquisite.
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English, actually Irish, but had lived for many years in America.
Sometimes I still come across old black and white films with him.
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Then he came to Italy, maybe to do some films with Fulci,
or even before that with the peplums, inspired by Ben-Hur.
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He stayed in Italy as an actor, very
nice and very available.
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Poor guy, he had an accident. He
fell in the shower as he was washing
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and he hit his head becoming
paralysed completely down one side.
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In fact I did a film called Frankenstein 2000,
Return from Death, and he played Frankenstein.
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He had a big scar on his forehead,
really well made.
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There was a scene in which I had
thirty kids dancing in a discotheque.
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Frankenstein arrives and grabs one
of them, kills them.
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As we were doing some test shots, one of the kids
comes to me and says “This guy is brilliant...
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He walks exactly like Frankenstein.”
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Poor guy walked like that because he was
paralysed. But everybody believed he was acting!
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As you know Joe was the producer on his films,
or for many at least, among which this was one.
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So he had to combine various necessities. He had
to minimise costs and would work very quickly...
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considering he was also the DOP of
the film. He never wasted time.
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He had a simple and essential way of directing
but it was also incisive in my opinion
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and this Frankenstein wasn't any
different from what he was other films.
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When Filmirage died... you have to look
at what the situation was at the time.
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There were great difficulties in getting films
of a certain kind theatrical distribution.
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There weren't as many cinemas any longer and
maybe, unfortunately, the industry has been
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saturated and was overflown by
too much product.
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The public turned their backs on certain genres, like
the erotic films which were previously popular...
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so Aristide facing this situation had to make hard
decisions. He had more debt than money coming in.
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A lot of other companies were
closing by the early nineties.
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The Americans had complete
reign on the market.
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As a business man he maybe had some faults.
He didn't really give priority to money.
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He was 100% an artist and was just
happy to make his films.
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Unlike Franco Gaudenzi who had reasoned:
“I have Zombi 2, so let's make Zombi 3”.
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Aristide wasn't like that, he chose
the projects he believed in.
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He had to be inspired, he had to have fun. The financial
aspect was the last thing he was interested in.
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He was a true artist.
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His downfall began when Filmirage, which
was a company that worked primarily
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on receiving foreign sales,
stopped getting pre-sales.
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So he had to turn to porno films, which
didn't give him much satisfaction.
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We would sell these small films, as
if they were American.
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In places like the American Film Market
in LA, MIFED, Cannes, for a lot of money.
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I remember Strike Commando, which I made
with Bruno Mattei, that film exploded...
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it was sold all over the place.
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We invested a lot in that market but after some time
we realised that we were becoming too small for it.
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The average American product was too higher
budgeted compared to what we could do...
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there wasn't that equilibrium anymore and in fact in the early
nineties I started moving away from that genre and situation.
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The same thing happened to Aristide
when there wasn't a market any longer.
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The only thing he could do was porn but it wasn't
a world that he wanted anything to do with.
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The feeling that this kinda of cinema
was dying... I didn't have it.
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I came in late, when Italian genre
cinema had dissolved.
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Then the actual directors
started dying...
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and one had to adapt.
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On why this type of cinema died is
not something I won't to dwell on.
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It's always the same question...
but who cares?!
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Things have changed and
have evolved.
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Now we have TV series that cost
much more than films.
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I adapted myself, like when I learnt
how to use all this sort of stuff.
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It's part of the evolution and
it's a cultural thing.
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It's for the most part a
cultural thing.
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I heard some rumours about debts due
to bad business ventures
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but mostly conducted by Massaccesi´s
partner, not by him.
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About the films that flopped...
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all of his films were flops because they weren't films
that anybody expected would take in much money.
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I'm talking about the period
of Anthropophagus...
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Absurd...t hey were films already covered by
distributors and financiers. He wouldn't put a penny.
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He would put in his time, his energy,
his equipment but never any money.
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He started producing with his own money when
he started doing a series of porn films.
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They were projects that were
made in three days.
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He would got to the States and
direct a dozen in a week.
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I once told him what I thought. “You must
choose. You have two roads in front of you...
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You can become a big producer, if you stop
wanting to do everything by yourself.
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Or you can continue like this and
everything you do will be driven by fear.”
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His strength was to manage, to have
everybody liking him.
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He could have managed to work
with any distributor.
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All of them would have given him money for a film,
but he didn't have to be the one directing it too.
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“You are principally a director of
photography. You are not a director.
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Yes, sometimes you make some nice shots, but
they are shots that you copy from other films...
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...you don't use a shot because you've understood
that it works dramatically in that scene.
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Sometimes you do a shot that works in that
context but not in the one you need it for.”
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I tried to make him understand this
reasoning a couple of times
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but he was too scared to put himself
in other people's hands.
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He preferred staying in the smaller leagues
but having everything under his control.
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This doesn't pay off in
the long run.
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Then he had a breakdown.
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You know that when he came back from
the States, on his last trip...
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they had lost all his reels,
creating a huge problem for him.
415
01:08:02,788 --> 01:08:10,004
That was the principal cause
of his heart attack.
416
01:08:10,212 --> 01:08:12,673
Poor thing. I was so sorry...
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