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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,567 --> 00:00:03,100 Playboy is looking for a pinup girl. 2 00:00:03,100 --> 00:00:05,266 If you think of who is going to be in layboy, 3 00:00:05,266 --> 00:00:07,800 well, Lesia. Perfect. 4 00:00:09,467 --> 00:00:13,467 Lesia Kahl went from an unknown waitress 5 00:00:13,467 --> 00:00:17,333 to a Playboy ensation overnight. 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,700 But posing nude for Playboy can put a target on your back. 7 00:00:24,700 --> 00:00:27,400 Lesia's boyfriend had a surprise waiting, 8 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:29,667 but she never showed up. 9 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:32,567 As soon as I walked in the room, 10 00:00:32,567 --> 00:00:34,867 I knew it was a double murder. 11 00:00:36,567 --> 00:00:40,166 How could someone look at her and do this? 12 00:00:40,166 --> 00:00:42,467 Something's not adding up here at all. 13 00:00:44,266 --> 00:00:46,266 What a hot mess. 14 00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:04,367 In 1985, I was a police officer 15 00:01:04,367 --> 00:01:07,667 assigned to the Homicide Division 16 00:01:07,667 --> 00:01:09,867 of the Dallas Police Department. 17 00:01:11,567 --> 00:01:13,567 I had to be at work at 7:00 a.m., 18 00:01:13,567 --> 00:01:14,700 so I was in bed. 19 00:01:15,967 --> 00:01:17,200 But we had a pager. 20 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:21,000 And, you know, when that pager went off, 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,800 you knew that your sleep was over for the night 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,266 because you were going on an adventure. 23 00:01:29,467 --> 00:01:30,900 It was a little after midnight 24 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:33,567 when we got called to the scene 25 00:01:33,567 --> 00:01:35,667 to investigate a murder. 26 00:01:37,767 --> 00:01:39,567 Two murder victims in a home 27 00:01:39,567 --> 00:01:42,967 in that upscale, affluent neighborhood, 28 00:01:42,967 --> 00:01:44,800 yeah, that was-- that's very out of place. 29 00:01:47,266 --> 00:01:51,567 In my career, I was the lead detective on 196 murders. 30 00:01:51,567 --> 00:01:54,367 I found them in every kind of condition. 31 00:01:54,367 --> 00:01:56,700 As soon as we looked around the house, 32 00:01:56,700 --> 00:02:00,166 we find two people, a man and a woman, 33 00:02:00,166 --> 00:02:03,266 both bloodied and beat and obviously deceased. 34 00:02:10,767 --> 00:02:12,066 There's blood everywhere. 35 00:02:13,166 --> 00:02:14,967 There wasn't the, as I call, 36 00:02:14,967 --> 00:02:17,200 the odor of death on the scene, 37 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,000 so we knew that it had just happened. 38 00:02:21,300 --> 00:02:23,900 But we did determine that the female 39 00:02:23,900 --> 00:02:28,000 that was found in that house was a layboy model. 40 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,834 Lesia Kahl. 41 00:02:32,266 --> 00:02:36,367 Lesia had just appeared in the layboy issue 42 00:02:36,367 --> 00:02:38,266 that featured Texas girls. 43 00:02:44,266 --> 00:02:46,266 Playboy was always looking for the type of girl 44 00:02:46,266 --> 00:02:49,467 from a small town who could just jump off of the page. 45 00:02:50,667 --> 00:02:53,700 They wanted somebody who was beautiful, fresh-faced, 46 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:55,166 that would make the reader feel like 47 00:02:55,166 --> 00:02:57,367 they could possibly meet this girl. 48 00:02:58,867 --> 00:03:02,266 So layboy would scout places like universities, 49 00:03:02,266 --> 00:03:04,867 upscale bars, things like that, 50 00:03:04,867 --> 00:03:08,667 to find women that might not hear about it otherwise. 51 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,967 So the whole process for the Girls of Texas 52 00:03:12,967 --> 00:03:16,567 started in the early part of 1984. 53 00:03:17,767 --> 00:03:20,000 Playboy ent looking for new talent. 54 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:22,667 Someone like Lesia Kahl. 55 00:03:27,266 --> 00:03:28,700 Lesia was beautiful. 56 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:31,767 Lesia and I were very close. 57 00:03:33,367 --> 00:03:36,100 We were a big family, five children. 58 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:37,800 Lesia was the oldest. 59 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,800 I was number two. 60 00:03:40,166 --> 00:03:42,400 With my dad being in the Air Force, 61 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,000 we moved a lot. 62 00:03:45,266 --> 00:03:48,100 I remember I was going into the eighth grade 63 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:50,166 and she was going into the ninth grade. 64 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,867 And one of these girls said, 65 00:03:53,867 --> 00:03:57,200 "Here comes your sister, the bitch." 66 00:03:58,567 --> 00:04:03,100 And she said, "Nobody talks to my sister that way." 67 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,567 That was so cool. 68 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:08,767 She was a badass. 69 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,767 After high school, 70 00:04:14,767 --> 00:04:17,066 our parents got orders to go to Germany. 71 00:04:18,066 --> 00:04:19,700 Lesia and I didn't want to go. 72 00:04:20,967 --> 00:04:23,266 That's when I moved out to Dallas. 73 00:04:24,100 --> 00:04:25,867 I just wanted Lesia to come with me. 74 00:04:26,667 --> 00:04:30,900 And she did. She arrived early '83. 75 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:39,400 This was the first time that we were both in a city-city. 76 00:04:40,767 --> 00:04:43,266 We were in the nightlife. 77 00:04:43,266 --> 00:04:48,767 The vibe in Dallas in the '80s was very sexually charged. 78 00:04:49,367 --> 00:04:51,667 It was always crazy 79 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:55,066 with people being out until the sun came up. 80 00:04:57,166 --> 00:05:00,166 Pretty much everybody in the country was excited about Texas girls. 81 00:05:01,567 --> 00:05:04,367 The Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders were just starting out, 82 00:05:04,367 --> 00:05:07,367 and I think that was part of the kind of hype 83 00:05:07,367 --> 00:05:08,867 that was going on. 84 00:05:11,300 --> 00:05:15,667 And, of course, Dallas as one of the most popular shows. 85 00:05:15,667 --> 00:05:18,100 Dallas was a huge show in the '80s. 86 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:20,400 The sets were like so over-the-top, 87 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,800 like fantasy upscale. 88 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,567 The hair was big, there was a lot of makeup, 89 00:05:25,567 --> 00:05:28,967 so it was very much high glamor in the '80s. 90 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,400 Confetti was the nightclub. 91 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,400 There would be a queue around the building 92 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,667 every night to get in. 93 00:05:39,867 --> 00:05:42,767 So Lesia gets a job as a waitress there. 94 00:05:44,967 --> 00:05:47,867 I was a coworker and a really good friend of Lesia, 95 00:05:47,867 --> 00:05:50,000 and we did a lot of fun things together, 96 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,266 had some crazy nights at that nightclub. 97 00:05:53,266 --> 00:05:55,166 It was just a really, really fun place 98 00:05:55,166 --> 00:05:57,800 to be girls in the skimpy outfits. 99 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,867 You would go on the stage and you would perform. 100 00:05:59,867 --> 00:06:02,667 So you've got to be kind of an outgoing person. 101 00:06:02,667 --> 00:06:05,000 And she just exuded something special. 102 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:06,900 And the guys loved her. 103 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,400 Around spring of 1984, Lesia's been here a year, 104 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,066 she's working at Confetti's, and there's an ad that says, 105 00:06:22,066 --> 00:06:24,800 "Playboy agazine is coming to Texas 106 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,800 and is looking for some models." 107 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,300 Playboy is looking for a pinup girl. 108 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:33,600 So around that time, Playboy increased their cross-country searches 109 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,567 to open up opportunities for women from smaller cities 110 00:06:37,567 --> 00:06:41,100 to go be met in person and submit themselves. 111 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:43,667 But also it was great publicity for the brand. 112 00:06:44,867 --> 00:06:49,567 Playboy s huge. It is a dream for so many women. 113 00:06:50,667 --> 00:06:51,800 If you will, come right over here. 114 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,166 I'm gonna show you how to pose. 115 00:06:53,166 --> 00:06:54,567 You wanna tilt your head. 116 00:06:54,567 --> 00:06:56,767 I was with layboy as a photographer 117 00:06:56,767 --> 00:07:01,900 from the late '70s up through 2003 or 2004. 118 00:07:01,900 --> 00:07:03,967 So around 23, 24 years. 119 00:07:03,967 --> 00:07:05,467 I want you to drop your chin down just a touch. 120 00:07:05,467 --> 00:07:06,667 Right there. Hold it. 121 00:07:07,700 --> 00:07:09,500 I never met David personally, 122 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:11,300 but I've seen his name everywhere. 123 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:12,500 He was a regular at Playboy. 124 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:13,967 He shot so many things. 125 00:07:13,967 --> 00:07:16,066 Um, lean into this way a little bit. 126 00:07:16,066 --> 00:07:17,367 When I came on board, 127 00:07:17,367 --> 00:07:19,700 another photographer had been going out 128 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:21,767 to the various big college conferences, 129 00:07:22,667 --> 00:07:24,900 doing these college girl pictorials, 130 00:07:25,767 --> 00:07:27,266 and it became very popular. 131 00:07:28,667 --> 00:07:31,700 So that's where they started thinking in terms of 132 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:35,066 using either identities or jobs 133 00:07:35,066 --> 00:07:37,800 as a premise for the pictorials themselves. 134 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:42,000 And I was sent to several cities. 135 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,867 And we'd set up camp in a really nice hotel, 136 00:07:44,867 --> 00:07:46,367 and then I would see girls. 137 00:07:46,367 --> 00:07:50,166 And it was just an amazing way to meet these potential models 138 00:07:50,166 --> 00:07:54,266 that ended up being either pictorial girls or a playmate. 139 00:07:58,266 --> 00:08:00,767 My very first experience trying out for Playboy 140 00:08:00,767 --> 00:08:02,767 was when I was in college in Portland, Oregon. 141 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,500 Playboy was searching for a special playmate 142 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:09,100 for the year 2000 issue. 143 00:08:09,100 --> 00:08:10,867 I called ahead and found out, you know, 144 00:08:10,867 --> 00:08:13,467 I needed to bring a bikini and go down there. 145 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:16,266 So that's what I did. 146 00:08:16,266 --> 00:08:18,600 And I didn't get into the magazine that way. 147 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,266 I didn't appear in the magazine 148 00:08:22,266 --> 00:08:24,266 until I had already been living 149 00:08:24,266 --> 00:08:26,166 at the Playboy Mansion for several years, 150 00:08:26,166 --> 00:08:28,367 and we started doing a reality show. 151 00:08:29,667 --> 00:08:30,767 But back in the '80s, 152 00:08:30,767 --> 00:08:33,700 people either had to mail their photos in 153 00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:36,333 or they had to show up for a casting. 154 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,200 They sent me out to do the Girls of Texas 155 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,600 in the early part of 1984. 156 00:08:45,967 --> 00:08:48,400 If you think of who is going to be in layboy, 157 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,767 someone sophisticated, classy, grace. 158 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,266 Well, Lesia. Perfect. 159 00:08:58,266 --> 00:09:00,266 This is perfect. 160 00:09:02,567 --> 00:09:05,767 There's an advertisement for a big casting 161 00:09:05,767 --> 00:09:07,400 at the DoubleTree Hotel. 162 00:09:11,500 --> 00:09:14,867 And I thought, "I'm going to the DoubleTree Hotel 163 00:09:14,867 --> 00:09:17,967 to pick up pamphlets and flyers for Lesia." 164 00:09:17,967 --> 00:09:19,100 And I was going to take them to her and go, 165 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:20,400 "You have got to do this." 166 00:09:21,767 --> 00:09:23,400 I'm a loan processor. 167 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,367 It was very important to me to always look professional. 168 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,467 So I walk in, the other women in there 169 00:09:30,467 --> 00:09:32,100 were not dressed like me at all. 170 00:09:33,767 --> 00:09:36,200 I'm in this dress, buttoned up to here. 171 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,266 This lady comes to me and she says, 172 00:09:39,266 --> 00:09:40,800 "Can you come back here, please?" 173 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,166 And then we go into one of the suites. 174 00:09:43,867 --> 00:09:45,100 She looks me up and down. 175 00:09:47,467 --> 00:09:49,166 And then comes back with two swimsuits 176 00:09:50,567 --> 00:09:52,066 and asked me to put one on. 177 00:09:52,900 --> 00:09:55,567 When Crystal came in to get the information 178 00:09:55,567 --> 00:09:57,767 for her sister, Lesia, 179 00:09:57,767 --> 00:09:59,400 I thought she was very attractive, 180 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:04,100 and I immediately knew that I could photograph her. 181 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,100 The photographer that was in there, he goes, 182 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:09,266 "I just want to take a couple of Polaroids of you." 183 00:10:10,667 --> 00:10:13,000 I've never done anything like that before. 184 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,567 But, Playboy, their reputation was great. 185 00:10:17,467 --> 00:10:18,800 And so I did it. 186 00:10:21,266 --> 00:10:23,767 Crystal kept talking about her sister. 187 00:10:23,767 --> 00:10:26,000 And I go, "Look, I'm sure your sister is wonderful. 188 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,266 I can't wait to meet her." 189 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:29,800 And I said, "Come back with your sister 190 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,500 I can do an interview with both of you." 191 00:10:32,367 --> 00:10:33,400 I thought it would be really cool 192 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,600 to have sisters in the pictorial. 193 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,900 I needed to get to Lesia fast 194 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:40,967 because she'd be working tomorrow. 195 00:10:40,967 --> 00:10:42,567 She needs to get the night off. 196 00:10:44,467 --> 00:10:45,567 I go to see her and go, 197 00:10:45,567 --> 00:10:48,100 "Lesia, I got to tell you about this." 198 00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:51,567 And she was definitely interested. 199 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,500 When Lesia walked into the room, 200 00:10:56,500 --> 00:10:58,100 she had a great look. 201 00:10:58,100 --> 00:11:01,000 Dark hair, smoky eyes. 202 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,567 Very sexy. 203 00:11:04,066 --> 00:11:06,500 And I'm just like, "Okay, this girl is hot." 204 00:11:12,266 --> 00:11:15,767 And so I called both Lesia and Crystal. 205 00:11:17,166 --> 00:11:20,567 It was rare for sisters to pose for layboy. 206 00:11:20,567 --> 00:11:22,200 It was definitely appealing to Playboy 207 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,266 to publish anything kind of unexpected. 208 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,600 They had us both come in together 209 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,200 just to share the plan, 210 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,900 to prepare for our shoots. 211 00:11:35,367 --> 00:11:37,667 We had no idea what was about to happen. 212 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,367 Crystal and Lesia were exactly the type of women 213 00:11:51,367 --> 00:11:52,700 that Playboy iked. 214 00:11:52,700 --> 00:11:54,800 They were fresh-faced, 215 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,700 they had the girl-next-door look, 216 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:59,266 they had voluptuous figures. 217 00:11:59,266 --> 00:12:01,133 They were really the whole package. 218 00:12:03,567 --> 00:12:06,100 Because they each had such a strong look, 219 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:09,767 I didn't want to lessen the strength of their photograph 220 00:12:09,767 --> 00:12:12,066 by putting them together as a sister act. 221 00:12:12,066 --> 00:12:14,000 So I photographed them separately. 222 00:12:15,166 --> 00:12:17,300 They want to send me to the mountains. 223 00:12:18,967 --> 00:12:20,867 When we did the shot of Crystal, 224 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,767 she's up in the rocks, 225 00:12:22,767 --> 00:12:25,800 and she's got on kind of this army green outfit, 226 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,200 kind of thing. 227 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,667 You've got the vista in the background, 228 00:12:28,667 --> 00:12:30,667 and all this kind of stuff. It's really cool. 229 00:12:31,900 --> 00:12:33,767 The difference in their looks 230 00:12:33,767 --> 00:12:36,000 made it a little more intriguing, 231 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,000 as well as the fact that they're both attractive 232 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,567 in different ways. 233 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,700 Lesia, they knew exactly where they wanted her. 234 00:12:46,567 --> 00:12:47,867 Southfork Ranch, 235 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:50,467 where allas was filmed. 236 00:12:51,367 --> 00:12:54,800 The show Dallas was so huge in the '80s. 237 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,200 So he says photos were actually shot 238 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,300 at the ranch where they filmed allas. 239 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:02,000 So they were very much with the Texas theme. 240 00:13:04,467 --> 00:13:05,967 When I got to the location 241 00:13:05,967 --> 00:13:08,266 and I saw this old-style bathtub... 242 00:13:10,467 --> 00:13:13,400 And Lesia had this insanely nice body. 243 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,867 Gorgeous boobs, gorgeous legs, everything. 244 00:13:17,266 --> 00:13:18,700 And so I told her, I said, 245 00:13:18,700 --> 00:13:21,500 "You know what? I think I just want to photograph you nude in the tub." 246 00:13:21,500 --> 00:13:24,100 And she's like, "Yeah!" She was like all for it. 247 00:13:26,567 --> 00:13:28,400 So off she goes into the tub, 248 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:32,367 and I just went, "Oh, my gosh, this thing looks great." 249 00:13:34,467 --> 00:13:36,967 I thought, "Wow, this girl's got playmate potential." 250 00:13:36,967 --> 00:13:39,066 I mean, she was born to be there. 251 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:51,200 It's end of June, maybe early July of 1984. 252 00:13:52,767 --> 00:13:57,867 And the magazine comes out early January 1985. 253 00:13:57,867 --> 00:14:00,066 Lesia was probably already picturing in her head 254 00:14:00,767 --> 00:14:03,567 this was a huge opportunity to her. 255 00:14:04,367 --> 00:14:05,300 Huge. 256 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,166 She was going to be someone. 257 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:11,000 This is an exciting time. 258 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,367 The magazine had not come out yet, 259 00:14:13,367 --> 00:14:15,367 but after the layboy shoot, 260 00:14:15,367 --> 00:14:17,266 Lesia could not contain her excitement. 261 00:14:17,266 --> 00:14:19,100 And she was telling everyone, "You know what? 262 00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:20,400 I'm going to be in Playboy." 263 00:14:22,467 --> 00:14:25,367 When she told us about that, I'm not the only one 264 00:14:25,367 --> 00:14:29,066 that thought Lesia will be a hit in Playboy. 265 00:14:29,066 --> 00:14:33,200 In a way, she was a little bit like a brunette Dorothy Stratten, 266 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,467 one of those ladies that had this kind of spark 267 00:14:36,467 --> 00:14:40,100 that everybody saw and just went, "Wow!" 268 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,000 Lesia has a lot of admirers, 269 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,367 but she didn't have any boyfriends. 270 00:14:47,667 --> 00:14:50,800 And then she met this guy Joey D'Amato. 271 00:14:53,266 --> 00:14:56,467 Joey was actually a bartender at Confetti. 272 00:14:56,467 --> 00:14:57,767 Everybody got along with Joey. 273 00:14:57,767 --> 00:14:59,500 Joey got along with everyone else. 274 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:03,867 He was a nice-looking guy, pretty normal. 275 00:15:03,867 --> 00:15:06,467 And I think that was part of, probably, 276 00:15:06,467 --> 00:15:08,100 Lesia's appeal with him. 277 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:10,700 He was just this guy who thought she was beautiful 278 00:15:10,700 --> 00:15:13,567 but was kind and caring, and not... 279 00:15:14,100 --> 00:15:15,367 after something. 280 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:21,266 Joey was as close as Lesia could come 281 00:15:21,266 --> 00:15:22,767 to being in a relationship. 282 00:15:23,767 --> 00:15:26,000 However, she's going to be in layboy. 283 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,266 She's not going to commit to anything completely. 284 00:15:31,266 --> 00:15:32,767 Lesia's photo could have definitely 285 00:15:32,767 --> 00:15:35,600 led to more opportunities for her within layboy, 286 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,800 especially if she had the standout photo 287 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,300 of that pictorial. 288 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:43,767 Lesia has a fire in her now. 289 00:15:43,767 --> 00:15:45,900 She wants to go as far as she can 290 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:47,300 in this newfound career. 291 00:15:47,300 --> 00:15:49,667 And now she can actually do something about it. 292 00:15:55,767 --> 00:15:59,000 So Joey is spending all this time at Confetti's. 293 00:16:00,066 --> 00:16:01,867 He is with Lesia, 294 00:16:01,867 --> 00:16:05,166 but that was also when he strikes up 295 00:16:05,166 --> 00:16:08,900 a friendship with Koby Sandovsky. 296 00:16:10,467 --> 00:16:12,367 Koby is known around town. 297 00:16:12,367 --> 00:16:16,500 He is the local go-to for your party favors, 298 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:17,700 cocaine. 299 00:16:19,667 --> 00:16:23,800 It was in the mid-'80s and there was a lot of cocaine. 300 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,867 There was a lot of cocaine at the time. 301 00:16:26,867 --> 00:16:28,100 But it wasn't one of these scenes 302 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:29,867 where people were just blatantly doing drugs, 303 00:16:29,867 --> 00:16:31,467 you know, on the bar or whatever. 304 00:16:32,767 --> 00:16:33,667 It was more of kind of 305 00:16:33,667 --> 00:16:35,767 a behind the scenes kind of thing. 306 00:16:37,867 --> 00:16:39,667 Lesia and Joey, they liked to have fun. 307 00:16:39,667 --> 00:16:41,300 They liked to party. 308 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:44,166 So it doesn't faze Lesia that he's hanging out with Koby. 309 00:16:46,166 --> 00:16:47,467 He was good to her. 310 00:16:48,667 --> 00:16:51,967 They were seeing each other pretty regularly. 311 00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:54,467 And then the magazine comes out. 312 00:16:55,166 --> 00:16:57,567 January 8, 1985, 313 00:16:57,567 --> 00:17:01,600 the Playboy agazine spread hits the newsstands. 314 00:17:02,567 --> 00:17:04,600 There you go. Appreciate it, everyone. 315 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,567 And usually it is the cover girl 316 00:17:06,567 --> 00:17:08,567 that gets all the attention. 317 00:17:08,567 --> 00:17:10,166 But, this time, it was Lesia. 318 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,467 And everyone is talking about the girl in the red tub. 319 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,567 Lesia's photo is really sexy. 320 00:17:18,567 --> 00:17:21,066 She's in this bright red bathtub 321 00:17:21,066 --> 00:17:22,467 in a bubble bath. 322 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,166 She's very fit. 323 00:17:24,166 --> 00:17:28,367 She's got the tan lines, perfect '80s makeup. 324 00:17:28,367 --> 00:17:29,900 Lesia definitely had the qualities 325 00:17:29,900 --> 00:17:31,400 Playboy as looking for. 326 00:17:33,567 --> 00:17:38,467 Playboy eported that they nearly doubled their sales that month. 327 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:44,567 Lesia Kahl went from an unknown waitress 328 00:17:44,567 --> 00:17:48,867 to a Playboy odel sensation overnight. 329 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,000 It does make them a celebrity of sorts. 330 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,100 She is the girl in the red tub. 331 00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:57,767 What a title. 332 00:17:57,767 --> 00:18:01,000 And I'm sure she probably relished in it, too. 333 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,166 I mean, knowing her, she probably loved that. 334 00:18:05,667 --> 00:18:07,000 I'm in the magazine, 335 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,967 but I'm moving away from the attention, 336 00:18:10,967 --> 00:18:12,266 everything going on. 337 00:18:13,367 --> 00:18:16,000 But Lesia's liking this attention. 338 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:16,900 She's doing well in it. 339 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,300 She's seeing Joey. 340 00:18:19,300 --> 00:18:22,567 She's truly living her best life. 341 00:18:24,166 --> 00:18:27,000 There's so many different ways a boyfriend or husband 342 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,166 could react to their significant other 343 00:18:29,166 --> 00:18:30,066 posing for Playboy. 344 00:18:30,066 --> 00:18:31,500 Some people love it, 345 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:33,266 and they're super-excited about it. 346 00:18:35,467 --> 00:18:39,634 For Joey, he's feeling a lot of pressure. 347 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:47,266 I am sure Joey feels like he needs to make a grand gesture 348 00:18:47,266 --> 00:18:51,867 in order to stay the boyfriend of his beautiful girlfriend. 349 00:18:56,867 --> 00:18:59,367 Lesia's birthday is in February. 350 00:18:59,367 --> 00:19:01,567 I was like, "That's my girl. I want to take care of her. 351 00:19:01,567 --> 00:19:02,667 We're gonna have a party." 352 00:19:03,867 --> 00:19:05,767 Joey wants to go all out, 353 00:19:05,767 --> 00:19:08,734 surprise her, and make it a big night to remember. 354 00:19:11,166 --> 00:19:14,467 Her birthday was Tuesday, February 26. 355 00:19:14,467 --> 00:19:17,000 Her big party was Wednesday night, February 27th, 356 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:18,867 and I couldn't go. 357 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:21,667 But it was very important to him 358 00:19:21,667 --> 00:19:23,100 to give this to her. 359 00:19:24,867 --> 00:19:27,066 While Lesia is getting a bunch of attention 360 00:19:27,066 --> 00:19:29,400 for her photo shoot in Playboy, 361 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,767 Crystal actually got married. 362 00:19:32,767 --> 00:19:35,734 She's laying low while Lesia's living it up. 363 00:19:38,166 --> 00:19:41,066 Friends are waiting for Lesia to arrive 364 00:19:41,066 --> 00:19:43,500 and they're waiting and waiting, 365 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:45,100 and she's still not there. 366 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:47,800 People were concerned 367 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,900 because she was pretty punctual. 368 00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:51,700 People thought maybe they got in an accident 369 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:55,000 or that maybe they had to stop and run an errand, 370 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,500 maybe go pick up some more booze. 371 00:19:57,500 --> 00:20:00,100 The wait was pretty tense and pretty serious. 372 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,500 And they never showed up. 373 00:20:13,667 --> 00:20:14,867 It's late at night, 374 00:20:14,867 --> 00:20:16,000 and John Hudgens 375 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,867 goes to his friend Jeffrey Licker's house. 376 00:20:20,667 --> 00:20:21,567 He's knocking on the door. 377 00:20:21,567 --> 00:20:22,767 He's getting no answer. 378 00:20:24,166 --> 00:20:25,967 He decides to let himself in. 379 00:20:27,166 --> 00:20:29,300 He looks around the house 380 00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:31,300 when he comes across a gruesome discovery. 381 00:20:33,467 --> 00:20:36,100 He found two bodies in an upstairs bedroom. 382 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:44,200 So he went downstairs and called 911. 383 00:20:46,667 --> 00:20:50,300 At 1:45 a.m., investigators arrive at the house 384 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:51,367 on Blackbird Lane. 385 00:20:53,467 --> 00:20:56,266 John Hudgens directs them upstairs. 386 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,066 As soon as I walked in the room 387 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:04,000 and saw what I saw, 388 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,700 I knew it wasn't like a murder-suicide. 389 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:10,000 I knew it was a double murder. 390 00:21:17,567 --> 00:21:21,166 The two victims had blunt force trauma to their heads. 391 00:21:22,266 --> 00:21:25,000 Their heads are covered with plastic bags. 392 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,266 There's blood everywhere. This is a violent scene. 393 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,000 One of the first questions that investigators always have 394 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,200 is "Who are these people? 395 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,600 And what were they doing here?" 396 00:21:38,967 --> 00:21:41,200 The 911 caller says that he's friends 397 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,800 with the homeowner, Jeffrey Licker. 398 00:21:43,867 --> 00:21:46,767 And he determined by looking at the body 399 00:21:46,767 --> 00:21:48,867 that it was absolutely not Jeffrey Licker. 400 00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:53,166 He didn't know who those people were, 401 00:21:53,166 --> 00:21:55,266 and he had been in that house a lot of times 402 00:21:55,266 --> 00:21:57,667 and knew who's supposed to be there 403 00:21:57,667 --> 00:21:59,300 and it's not them. 404 00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:05,300 Police investigators did find identification on the male victim. 405 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:09,767 We were able to identify him as Koby Sandovsky 406 00:22:09,767 --> 00:22:12,467 through his driver's license. 407 00:22:12,467 --> 00:22:15,667 We had an Israeli identification card. 408 00:22:15,667 --> 00:22:18,266 But beyond that, there wasn't a lot of information 409 00:22:18,266 --> 00:22:19,400 about him. 410 00:22:20,767 --> 00:22:22,266 Most ladies, when they go out, 411 00:22:22,266 --> 00:22:24,500 they carry a purse with them. 412 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:26,367 The police find a wallet, 413 00:22:26,367 --> 00:22:29,400 and that wallet belongs to Lesia Kahl. 414 00:22:37,567 --> 00:22:39,266 It was Thursday night, 415 00:22:39,867 --> 00:22:41,066 and the phone rings. 416 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,200 My husband answers it and it was a police officer. 417 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,767 And I knew before he even told me. 418 00:22:50,767 --> 00:22:52,400 I could feel it. I could see it. 419 00:22:54,867 --> 00:22:58,266 While he's talking, I started hearing this loud sound. 420 00:23:00,066 --> 00:23:03,767 It sounded like somebody screaming like a child. 421 00:23:05,066 --> 00:23:06,767 And then I realized it was me. 422 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,800 And I was just looking at him, saying... 423 00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:15,367 "No, no, it couldn't be." 424 00:23:16,867 --> 00:23:17,800 Lesia couldn't be gone. 425 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,500 There's no way she could be gone. 426 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:23,100 Who could have done this? 427 00:23:27,667 --> 00:23:29,967 You never know how hard a task will be 428 00:23:29,967 --> 00:23:31,400 until you start trying. 429 00:23:33,166 --> 00:23:35,500 At the scene, we understand that 430 00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:38,000 the homeowner is Jeff Licker. 431 00:23:39,667 --> 00:23:42,900 Since one of the victims is not the homeowner, 432 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:43,967 where is he at? 433 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,667 Mr. Licker was an attorney. 434 00:23:46,667 --> 00:23:48,400 He was a prominent tax attorney, uh, 435 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,667 in Dallas back at the time. 436 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,767 Jeffrey Licker is 29 years old 437 00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:58,567 and he is known to let his friends 438 00:23:58,567 --> 00:24:01,367 kind of come and go from his house 439 00:24:01,367 --> 00:24:02,266 as needed. 440 00:24:02,266 --> 00:24:04,467 They know how to get in and out, 441 00:24:04,467 --> 00:24:07,634 and he frequently has guests. 442 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,266 Police found a lot of cocaine, 443 00:24:13,266 --> 00:24:16,667 so they knew this was a place that people go to have fun, 444 00:24:16,667 --> 00:24:18,467 do coke, hang out. 445 00:24:18,467 --> 00:24:19,700 It was a party house. 446 00:24:21,166 --> 00:24:22,133 At that point, 447 00:24:22,133 --> 00:24:24,266 any kind of narrative could be possible. 448 00:24:24,266 --> 00:24:25,767 You know, is he on the run? 449 00:24:25,767 --> 00:24:27,467 Is he not-- is he unaware? 450 00:24:27,467 --> 00:24:28,667 Was he a murder victim himself? 451 00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:29,900 There's just so much they don't know 452 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:31,066 about Licker at this point. 453 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,867 But with no definite way of getting a hold of him, 454 00:24:34,867 --> 00:24:38,567 police shift their focus to any additional information 455 00:24:38,567 --> 00:24:40,166 that they can find there at the scene. 456 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,400 There was a car out front of the house 457 00:24:45,867 --> 00:24:48,233 registered to Koby Sandovsky. 458 00:24:50,667 --> 00:24:53,467 And they also found a phone in the car. 459 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,800 In the '80s, we didn't have cell phones, 460 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,300 and a select few had car phones. 461 00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:08,266 Usually those were wealthier people or drug dealers. 462 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:11,667 So officers decide, 463 00:25:11,667 --> 00:25:13,300 Well, let's call this last called number. 464 00:25:14,567 --> 00:25:16,266 And so they dial the phone 465 00:25:16,266 --> 00:25:19,400 and Lesia's boyfriend, Joey D'Amato, answers it. 466 00:25:21,867 --> 00:25:23,066 So police ask him, 467 00:25:23,066 --> 00:25:25,767 "Who called you from this number and when?" 468 00:25:25,767 --> 00:25:27,000 And Joey tells them, 469 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,734 "My girlfriend, Lesia, called me around 9:30 p.m." 470 00:25:34,166 --> 00:25:37,767 Joey has been waiting up all night 471 00:25:37,767 --> 00:25:42,266 just wondering what the heck has happened to Lesia. 472 00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:47,667 When Lesia just didn't show up for the birthday party, 473 00:25:47,667 --> 00:25:50,500 there was time for probably a million things 474 00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:52,667 to go through Joey's head. 475 00:25:52,667 --> 00:25:55,266 Part of him was thinking that something bad 476 00:25:55,266 --> 00:25:56,467 had happened to her. 477 00:25:58,467 --> 00:26:01,300 We tell him that we've found a couple of people 478 00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:03,467 that have been killed, 479 00:26:03,467 --> 00:26:05,300 and we're doing an investigation. 480 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,266 He confirmed to us that when he talked to Lesia, 481 00:26:09,266 --> 00:26:11,500 she said she was waiting on Koby. 482 00:26:13,667 --> 00:26:15,400 Joey said that he was waiting on her 483 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,867 to get to this surprise party, but she never showed up. 484 00:26:18,867 --> 00:26:20,967 And that Koby was giving her a ride. 485 00:26:22,667 --> 00:26:24,266 So police are asking Joey, 486 00:26:24,266 --> 00:26:26,867 "What is her relationship to Koby?" 487 00:26:26,867 --> 00:26:29,500 Joey explains that Koby hangs out at Confetti's, 488 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:30,667 where Lesia worked. 489 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:36,467 And apparently he was a low-level drug dealer, 490 00:26:36,467 --> 00:26:37,867 uh, in the Dallas area. 491 00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:41,700 Lesia was a cocktail waitress, 492 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:44,667 and she had just appeared in layboy. 493 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,300 Posing nude for layboy 494 00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:49,767 can put a target on your back, 495 00:26:49,767 --> 00:26:51,266 and that can get very dangerous. 496 00:26:58,266 --> 00:27:00,200 I first heard about Lesia's story 497 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,367 when someone reached out to me in my social media comments. 498 00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:07,000 I was fascinated by it. 499 00:27:07,667 --> 00:27:09,367 She was young, beautiful. 500 00:27:09,367 --> 00:27:11,667 Her life was about to get so exciting. 501 00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:17,567 When the magazine came out, it never crossed my mind 502 00:27:17,567 --> 00:27:21,667 that our safety could be at risk 503 00:27:21,667 --> 00:27:25,600 with this being in public like we now were. 504 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,800 It never even occurred to me. 505 00:27:29,266 --> 00:27:30,467 I was devastated. 506 00:27:30,467 --> 00:27:32,700 I never thought of it as someone targeting her. 507 00:27:33,767 --> 00:27:36,867 I thought, "Oh, my God, how could this happen?" 508 00:27:38,266 --> 00:27:40,000 When something like that happens, 509 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000 your mind goes everywhere, 510 00:27:43,266 --> 00:27:46,367 and Joey was the closest person I knew 511 00:27:46,367 --> 00:27:48,266 that she was with. 512 00:27:52,667 --> 00:27:56,000 The police invite Joey to come down to the station 513 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,367 and, uh, talk about the situation there. 514 00:27:58,367 --> 00:28:01,300 They describe him as being very cooperative. 515 00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:03,266 He's answering all their questions. 516 00:28:04,166 --> 00:28:05,433 Apparently he was-- uh, 517 00:28:05,433 --> 00:28:08,266 he was pretty heartbroke over the death of his girlfriend. 518 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:10,700 So he was-- he was very cooperative 519 00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:12,000 with law enforcement at that point. 520 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,533 Joey was her number one. 521 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,266 But I had never heard the name Koby. 522 00:28:23,066 --> 00:28:25,500 And Joey has sent him 523 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:29,000 to go pick up Lesia for her party. 524 00:28:30,166 --> 00:28:31,467 Where did that come from? 525 00:28:32,467 --> 00:28:36,166 Why didn't Joey go get her and then walk in with her? 526 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:40,200 Isn't that usually how a surprise party works? 527 00:28:41,266 --> 00:28:42,867 Koby was like a shadow person 528 00:28:42,867 --> 00:28:46,500 because I saw him on a few rare occasions. 529 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:47,867 I never spoke a word to him. 530 00:28:48,767 --> 00:28:50,400 And it was very, very shocking 531 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,433 that Koby was with her that night. 532 00:28:54,867 --> 00:28:56,900 At the police station, Joey said, 533 00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:59,367 "Well, I was throwing a surprise party for her, 534 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:02,467 but I didn't have a ride for Lesia. 535 00:29:02,467 --> 00:29:04,400 So I called my friend Koby and said, 536 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,967 'Hey, could you give her a ride?' 537 00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:09,266 Koby said, 'Sure, of course I can. 538 00:29:09,266 --> 00:29:11,000 But I do need to make a stop first.'" 539 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,667 And Joey admits that Koby is a low-level drug dealer. 540 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:19,800 So now police are asking Joey, 541 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,266 "Why is it that you chose to have him 542 00:29:22,266 --> 00:29:24,467 give your girlfriend a ride somewhere? 543 00:29:24,467 --> 00:29:26,667 Why did you put her safety in his hands?" 544 00:29:32,567 --> 00:29:33,800 Police are interested to know 545 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,367 what their relationship was like at this point. 546 00:29:37,367 --> 00:29:38,667 And Joey admits, 547 00:29:38,667 --> 00:29:41,867 "Yes, Lesia's been getting a lot of attention lately. 548 00:29:41,867 --> 00:29:45,166 I mean, she's got a layboy spread out on newsstands." 549 00:29:45,166 --> 00:29:48,100 And, yeah, they've had some disagreements, 550 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:49,467 and he's been a little insecure. 551 00:29:51,467 --> 00:29:53,567 But Joey is Lesia's boyfriend. 552 00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:56,066 He was planning the party. 553 00:29:56,066 --> 00:29:58,367 He couldn't run around and bring Lesia there. 554 00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:00,700 Koby is one of his friends. 555 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:02,967 They party together, they hang out together. 556 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,667 It just made sense to him. 557 00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:11,767 I'm not really suspicious of anyone 558 00:30:11,767 --> 00:30:14,567 until I can start putting things together. 559 00:30:16,467 --> 00:30:19,400 Joey was cooperative as to what he knew 560 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,867 and what was going on and the information he had. 561 00:30:23,066 --> 00:30:26,066 There was a lot of talk about how odd it was 562 00:30:26,066 --> 00:30:29,700 that Koby was the one who gave her the ride. 563 00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:32,066 I think Joey probably regretted that 564 00:30:32,066 --> 00:30:33,800 and probably still regrets that. 565 00:30:36,266 --> 00:30:38,600 As you confirm things, you realize, 566 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,800 okay, Joey is probably, you know, being honest. 567 00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:46,767 But from talking to the 911 caller, 568 00:30:46,767 --> 00:30:48,567 we learned that the homeowner, 569 00:30:48,567 --> 00:30:51,166 Jeff Licker's not probably, you know, 570 00:30:51,166 --> 00:30:52,667 a goody two-shoes. 571 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,367 Now the focus was definitely on Jeff Licker. 572 00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:59,100 Talk to him. 573 00:31:00,767 --> 00:31:03,000 Two people ended up dead in your house. 574 00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:05,667 Why are they there and you're not there? 575 00:31:07,467 --> 00:31:10,100 So investigators start reaching out to more people 576 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:11,367 who knew Jeffrey Licker. 577 00:31:12,367 --> 00:31:14,467 And they find out that Koby 578 00:31:14,467 --> 00:31:17,066 is an associate of Jeffrey Licker. 579 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,000 Jeffrey Licker was very addicted to cocaine. 580 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,000 And Koby was his drug dealer. 581 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,100 But police are not able to locate him yet. 582 00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:38,467 And then at about 1:30 p.m., 583 00:31:38,467 --> 00:31:40,567 a man walks into the Dallas police station 584 00:31:42,166 --> 00:31:43,767 and says, "Hey, I have some information 585 00:31:43,767 --> 00:31:45,800 on your homicide from last night." 586 00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:51,166 And he introduces himself as 29-year-old Jeffrey Licker. 587 00:31:55,567 --> 00:31:57,467 He's trying to figure out what's going on 588 00:31:57,467 --> 00:32:00,100 with the double homicide last night, 589 00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:02,266 and he wants to talk to somebody. 590 00:32:04,166 --> 00:32:05,266 Licker proceeds to tell them 591 00:32:05,266 --> 00:32:07,667 that he had been out all night drinking 592 00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:10,867 and that he had recently heard about 593 00:32:10,867 --> 00:32:12,867 the double homicide on the radio. 594 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,867 And decided, "I better go to the police station 595 00:32:16,867 --> 00:32:18,767 and talk to them and find out what's going on 596 00:32:18,767 --> 00:32:20,767 and see if there's any help I can give them." 597 00:32:22,667 --> 00:32:25,000 I think Jeff came to the police station 598 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,600 to distance himself from any activity 599 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,266 and say he wasn't involved. 600 00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:33,867 So Jeff starts telling us some things 601 00:32:33,867 --> 00:32:35,867 that we know aren't right, 602 00:32:35,867 --> 00:32:38,100 like he didn't know who the people were in the house. 603 00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:42,066 And we confront him with that. 604 00:32:42,066 --> 00:32:45,867 And then Jeff started to provide more information 605 00:32:45,867 --> 00:32:46,867 that was truthful. 606 00:32:48,467 --> 00:32:51,800 Licker finally admits he knows Sandovsky. 607 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:57,667 While they're interviewing Licker, 608 00:32:57,667 --> 00:33:00,367 he gives the police a full written statement. 609 00:33:01,967 --> 00:33:05,066 As far as I know, no one else has ever gotten 610 00:33:05,066 --> 00:33:07,367 a voluntary statement from a lawyer. 611 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,400 You know, granted he's a tax attorney, 612 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,600 he's not a criminal attorney. 613 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,467 But you would think that attorney 101 is, you know, 614 00:33:17,467 --> 00:33:20,767 you don't talk to the police without representation. 615 00:33:20,767 --> 00:33:22,066 Uh, so that's kind of shocking. 616 00:33:23,567 --> 00:33:28,767 According to Jeff, Koby had stolen a safe from him 617 00:33:28,767 --> 00:33:30,266 with money and drugs in it, 618 00:33:30,266 --> 00:33:35,066 and Jeff wanted to collect what was owed from that theft. 619 00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:40,567 He had Sandovsky come over 620 00:33:40,567 --> 00:33:44,567 under the ruse of he was going to buy some more drugs. 621 00:33:44,567 --> 00:33:48,000 And when Sandovsky got there, he had a surprise waiting. 622 00:33:51,867 --> 00:33:54,567 He had hired two individuals, 623 00:33:54,567 --> 00:33:58,166 to collect the debt from Sandovsky 624 00:33:58,166 --> 00:34:00,700 from Sandovsky previously stealing his safe. 625 00:34:02,166 --> 00:34:05,266 So Jeff's story was that he hired them, 626 00:34:05,266 --> 00:34:07,600 but he told the two men that, you know, 627 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,800 he did not want Koby injured in any way. 628 00:34:12,166 --> 00:34:14,767 According to Licker, he also sees Lesia come in. 629 00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:17,667 He doesn't know Lesia, 630 00:34:17,667 --> 00:34:20,734 but he does recognize her from the Playboy agazine. 631 00:34:23,166 --> 00:34:24,667 Then Jeffrey tells investigators 632 00:34:24,667 --> 00:34:26,567 he left his house at 10:00 p.m. 633 00:34:26,567 --> 00:34:27,600 and he went out drinking. 634 00:34:29,367 --> 00:34:30,300 So they want to know, 635 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:32,500 "What did you see? What did you do? 636 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:33,967 What were you doing?" 637 00:34:33,967 --> 00:34:36,000 And why hasn't he said anything about it? 638 00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:41,300 The statement itself is not everything, 639 00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:45,300 but it implicates him in hiring the actors 640 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,433 that caused the death of Koby and Lesia. 641 00:34:50,867 --> 00:34:53,600 Police have this man who's coming in here 642 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,567 saying that he admittedly had two men hired, 643 00:34:58,567 --> 00:35:00,867 essentially hit men, even though he says, 644 00:35:00,867 --> 00:35:02,900 "Oh, they weren't supposed to harm Koby," 645 00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:05,066 and he doesn't think that anything bad's happening. 646 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,000 Something's not adding up here at all. 647 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,166 As we were learning and finding out the facts 648 00:35:12,166 --> 00:35:13,667 of what happened, 649 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,467 what a hot mess. 650 00:35:27,266 --> 00:35:28,867 I had to call my parents. 651 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,400 And my mom was already crying. 652 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,867 She knew. 653 00:35:34,867 --> 00:35:36,667 She just-- she just knew 654 00:35:36,667 --> 00:35:39,500 that something had happened to one of us 655 00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:42,567 and she-- and she knew instinctively it was Lesia. 656 00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:44,767 They had to get here. 657 00:35:46,667 --> 00:35:50,600 Playboy omehow had reached out to me, 658 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,367 and they wanted to give something to my parents. 659 00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:56,100 And I remember they got a $500 gift certificate 660 00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:58,767 just to take care of the food while they were here. 661 00:35:58,767 --> 00:36:00,500 The rest I almost don't remember. 662 00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:03,000 I was really messed up. 663 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,266 In his statement, 664 00:36:07,266 --> 00:36:09,367 Jeffrey Licker lets police know 665 00:36:09,367 --> 00:36:11,600 that the two men hired 666 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,100 are Raymond Hackman and Joel Arnold. 667 00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:18,667 Police track down two freight workers, 668 00:36:18,667 --> 00:36:21,066 Raymond Hackman and Joel Arnold. 669 00:36:22,266 --> 00:36:26,266 Once Hackman and Arnold are brought in, 670 00:36:26,266 --> 00:36:28,300 they know they're in trouble. 671 00:36:29,567 --> 00:36:32,567 Raymond Hackman was not talking, 672 00:36:32,567 --> 00:36:35,400 but Joel Arnold gives a written statement. 673 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,800 And it's a lot different from the one police got 674 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,367 from Jeffrey Licker. 675 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,367 In his statement, Joel Arnold says that they were hired 676 00:36:44,367 --> 00:36:47,767 by Jeffrey Licker to either collect the debt, 677 00:36:48,266 --> 00:36:50,200 or to kill Koby. 678 00:36:52,667 --> 00:36:55,867 And he says that Jeff Licker 679 00:36:55,867 --> 00:36:58,700 promised to give them $5,000 to do it. 680 00:37:00,767 --> 00:37:03,900 Licker also said that, once Koby was taken care of, 681 00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:05,266 there was a girl out in the car 682 00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:07,367 that they needed to take care of, too. 683 00:37:08,867 --> 00:37:12,600 They saw Jeffrey Licker leave the house and return, 684 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,600 bringing Lesia Kahl upstairs. 685 00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:18,266 And apparently they were going to get an extra $1,500 686 00:37:18,266 --> 00:37:19,600 to kill her, too. 687 00:37:28,567 --> 00:37:30,467 I remember when I heard, 688 00:37:30,467 --> 00:37:31,767 the feeling was 689 00:37:31,767 --> 00:37:33,567 how could someone look at her and-- 690 00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:36,367 and do this? 691 00:37:38,467 --> 00:37:41,100 Lesia had been bludgeoned... 692 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,367 to death 693 00:37:44,567 --> 00:37:45,567 with a hammer. 694 00:37:47,266 --> 00:37:48,367 They got a trash bag 695 00:37:49,266 --> 00:37:51,000 and put it over her head. 696 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,800 Yanked a lamp out of the wall and strangled her with it. 697 00:38:01,867 --> 00:38:03,367 And that's how... 698 00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:06,567 that's how she died. 699 00:38:11,867 --> 00:38:15,967 It sickens me knowing that happened to her. 700 00:38:16,867 --> 00:38:18,600 It's-- it's just... 701 00:38:20,367 --> 00:38:24,867 Anyway... I mean, she was someone special. 702 00:38:24,867 --> 00:38:27,867 And she had all this potential to go way beyond that. 703 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,800 And it was taken away from us. 704 00:38:33,266 --> 00:38:35,100 When Lesia's story broke, 705 00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:38,567 Playboy ust wanted to stay as far away from it as possible. 706 00:38:38,567 --> 00:38:40,400 The philosophy was kind of, 707 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,967 if you don't say anything, 708 00:38:41,967 --> 00:38:45,000 you know, you won't add fuel to the fire. 709 00:38:47,467 --> 00:38:50,667 Based on the evidence and voluntary statements 710 00:38:50,667 --> 00:38:53,367 from two of the three defendants 711 00:38:53,367 --> 00:38:56,066 we were able to put together warrants 712 00:38:56,066 --> 00:38:58,567 for the arrest of Jeff Licker, 713 00:38:58,567 --> 00:39:00,767 Joel Arnold and Raymond Hackman 714 00:39:00,767 --> 00:39:03,567 for the deaths of Koby Sandovsky 715 00:39:03,567 --> 00:39:05,266 and Lesia Kahl. 716 00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:11,767 This case never went to court. It all got pled out. 717 00:39:11,767 --> 00:39:14,300 Joel Arnold and Raymond Hackman 718 00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:17,800 both were sentenced to 30 years for killing Koby 719 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,400 and life sentences for killing Lesia. 720 00:39:21,767 --> 00:39:24,500 Jeffrey Licker is convicted on two counts of murder, 721 00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:26,166 and he's given ten years in prison 722 00:39:26,166 --> 00:39:28,100 and ten years' probation. 723 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,100 But I really don't think someone 724 00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:33,767 who orchestrated a crime like this 725 00:39:33,767 --> 00:39:35,767 should be given such a light sentence. 726 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:42,900 "Oh, I just thought they were going to hurt him." 727 00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:45,000 No. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. 728 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,867 If you told those guys to hurt him, 729 00:39:46,867 --> 00:39:48,400 they would have hurt him. 730 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,767 They would have punched him in the nose and said, you know, 731 00:39:50,767 --> 00:39:52,867 "Give me your drugs. Don't come back," or whatever. 732 00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:58,266 We needed to make Jeffrey Licker be held responsible, 733 00:39:58,266 --> 00:40:00,300 so we had a civil trial. 734 00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:01,767 And to hit him where we could. 735 00:40:03,467 --> 00:40:05,100 Two years after Lesia's murder, 736 00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:07,467 her parents won a wrongful death lawsuit 737 00:40:07,467 --> 00:40:08,867 against Jeffrey Licker, 738 00:40:08,867 --> 00:40:12,700 and they were awarded $9.3 million from him 739 00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:14,567 and his homeowner's insurance. 740 00:40:18,066 --> 00:40:20,467 Joey was inconsolable. 741 00:40:20,467 --> 00:40:23,300 We had people saying, "I heard what happened," 742 00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:25,700 and Joey would hear that and he would just fall apart. 743 00:40:27,967 --> 00:40:33,066 Forty years have gone by, but when we talk about this, 744 00:40:33,066 --> 00:40:35,767 it still, um... 745 00:40:35,767 --> 00:40:38,367 just makes me so sad for what she could have been. 746 00:40:40,367 --> 00:40:43,100 I think in the layboy world, she probably would have risen, 747 00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:45,266 but I think she had more in her than that. 748 00:40:45,767 --> 00:40:47,066 And it's so sad because 749 00:40:47,066 --> 00:40:50,000 she never got to show the rest of the world 750 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,800 what a really wonderful person she is. 751 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:55,900 I love her. 752 00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:57,667 I love her. 753 00:40:58,500 --> 00:40:59,500 I miss her. 754 00:41:02,066 --> 00:41:03,433 I want her to come back. 755 00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:10,467 Even in my dreams, I... I want that again. 756 00:41:12,467 --> 00:41:14,000 Lesia's story really affected me 757 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,467 because she was a young woman 758 00:41:15,467 --> 00:41:17,667 with such a bright future ahead of her. 759 00:41:17,667 --> 00:41:19,667 Of course, I can relate to her story. 760 00:41:19,667 --> 00:41:21,567 She could have gone on to do anything, 761 00:41:21,567 --> 00:41:23,467 and she had all of that stolen from her 762 00:41:24,667 --> 00:41:26,300 strictly from being in the wrong place 763 00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:27,967 at the wrong time. 62449

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