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Oh.
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It has been a busy week. Israel attacked
Iran, setting off a conflict that's
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escalating as we speak.
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RFK replaced the CDC's vaccine policy
advisors. The Pope wore a white socks
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And in Tennessee, there was this major
story.
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This morning, a zebra on the run and in
the air. After more than a week on the
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loose in Tennessee, Ed the zebra was
finally caught.
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Ed has been causing chaos and confusion
in Rutherford County since May 31st.
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Oh, no!
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But after eight days on the lam,
officials finally managed to catch the
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equine. Deputies quickly hoisted Ed into
the helicopter harness before
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transporting him to a nearby animal
trailer.
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Okay, there is a lot to love there. My
only note is that when you show footage
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of the world's chillest zebra looking
bored in a flying hammock, you don't...
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Call that being hoisted in a helicopter
harness. You call that what it is. Last
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week tonight, bait. And in case it
wasn't clear, you got me. Because look
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right now. I'm squawking zebra news at
you and Disney isn't even paying me to
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it. And look, I'd love nothing more than
to spend the rest of the night
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exploring questions like, is this how
animals are transported now?
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Getting hoisted like an adorable
shipping container while, and this is
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remaining upright like they're sitting
in a little chair?
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But unfortunately, we have to move on to
a story that dominated this week, the
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protests against ICE enforcement raids.
You undoubtedly know, last weekend, ICE
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conducted sweeping raids across the
country as part of an escalation ordered
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Stephen Miller, a man who, despite all
photographic evidence, is somehow still
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in his 30s.
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Reportedly told ICE officials to just go
out there and arrest illegal aliens,
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suggesting they target Home Depot's or 7
-Eleven convenience stores. So, that's
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what happened, and from the start, it
was a mess, resulting in things like
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in LA.
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We have obtained citizen app video from
this morning showing multiple people
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getting detained by Homeland Security.
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It's still unclear how many people were
detained and for what reason. The man
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says, my friend started yelling, ice,
ice, ice. I thought he was joking, but
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wasn't. Then I saw all the day labor
starting to run.
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That is awful. Someone yelling, ice.
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It's almost never going to be a positive
thing. Best case scenario, you somehow
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time -traveled back to 2014 and have to
do an ice bucket challenge, something,
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by the way, that this guy did because he
was nominated by, and this is true,
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Mike Tyson, Vince McMahon, and Homer
Simpson.
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It was a simpler time.
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In response to a race like that, LA saw
days of escalating protest as community
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members rallied around their neighbours,
something that Trump seized upon as an
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opportunity to do this.
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I've deployed thousands of National
Guard troops and hundreds of Marines to
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protect federal law enforcement from the
attacks of a vicious and violent mob.
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And some of the radical left, they say,
oh, that's not nice. Well, if we didn't
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do it, there wouldn't be a Los Angeles.
It'd be burning today, just like the
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houses were burning a number of months
ago.
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OK, I know I'm not saying anything new
right now, but he is such a dick.
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There is just no reason.
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because it's still very much on people's
minds in LA. For the same reason, you
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shouldn't open a toast at a retirement
party with, wow, only milestone left
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after this is death. Yeah, everyone
knows that and we're all trying not to
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about it.
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Also, it is just so obvious when he
stops reading and starts ad -libbing as
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tone of his voice just completely
changes. I honestly wonder if his speech
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is even right to in now. If there are
places where his teleprompter just says,
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do a bitchy little bang.
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A president... Sending in the National
Guard without the approval of a state's
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governor hasn't happened since 1965.
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And it wasn't just Gavin Newsom who
opposed it. The LAPD chief even said
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nowhere near a level where we'd need to
be reaching out to the governor for
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National Guard at this stage. And for
good reason. Because despite a lot of
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sensationalist news coverage, all of
this was well within the city's control.
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While scenes like this are being
broadcast prominently around the world,
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some context.
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It's all happening in a small part of
downtown L .A., at and around City Hall
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and the Federal Building, where
detainees from ICE raids have been taken
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few blocks in a county of nearly 10
million people.
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Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass tells us
the extra help is not welcome. When it
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comes to the National Guard.
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You say they're underutilized or just
not working.
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I'm saying there's nothing for them to
do.
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Right. And why would you send troops if
there is nothing for them to do? You're
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just going to have 4 ,000 soldiers
wandering around L .A., swinging by the
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Hollywood Walk of Fame to go, oh,
Christian Slater.
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OK.
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Now, there was some sporadic vandalism
and rock throwing and some Waymo cars
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were set on fire, but those were
isolated incidents not at all
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the protest as a whole.
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not saying that those aren't striking
visuals.
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I'm just saying, setting a driverless
car on fire is not the same thing as
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assaulting someone, unless we're somehow
living in the Pixar Cars universe,
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where burning one is murder, and you'd
be condemned to hell by the car pope, a
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real character from Cars 2, by the way,
implying there's car Catholicism, car
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Jesus, and presumably a decades -long
car cover -up of car sexual abuse.
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As for the people of LA, they seem
pretty unfazed with one writer saying, I
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the collateral damage ranks right above
a typical Dodgers World Series win.
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And that sounds about right, especially
considering when the Dodgers won last
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year, fans literally burned a city bus.
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So the federal response felt completely
over the top, especially when you
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consider troops will apparently be there
for 60 days at a cost to taxpayers of
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roughly $134 million.
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And usually, when that much is spent on
something completely pointless, we at
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least get to see one of the Avengers in
it.
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Honestly, much of the violence and
unrest we've seen in LA actually came
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the authorities.
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There have been multiple incidents of
police abusing protesters, members of
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press. were also assaulted, and at one
point Senator Alex Padilla was even
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forced to the ground and cuffed when he
tried asking Kristi Noem a question at a
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press conference. And the fact that
supposed peacekeepers were escalating
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situation led to ironies like when Trump
posted, arrest the people in face masks
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now, and what do these people have to
hide and why?
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Which is pretty hard to take, given many
of those in masks were ICE agents
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themselves.
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Something Trump borders our Tom Homan
justified, saying they're trying to
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protect themselves.
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And honestly, at this point, the only
immigration official that I really want
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see wearing a mask is Tom Homan. And not
even to protect his identity, just so
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that I don't have to look at his fucking
face anymore.
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He looks like Homer Simpson photoshopped
as a real person.
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He looks like someone tried to carve
Andre Agassi's head into a bar of soap.
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He looks like baby Harvey Weinstein.
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Look, protesters this week, showed
admirable restraint. In fact, just watch
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guy respond to getting tear gassed with
an almost annoying degree of L .A.
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chill. You told me you got caught up in
the tear gas as well. Describe what
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happened to you.
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Oh, just tasted a little tear gas.
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Tasted like fascism.
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Has there ever been anyone more Los
Angeles than that man?
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snarky attitude, sunglasses at night,
beanie and sweatshirt in June, and a
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perfectly timed look to camera, all
while looking like Travis Barker's
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And look, who knows where all this is
going. We're taping on Saturday during
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Trump's big military parade in D .C.
with mass demonstrations happening all
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the country. So a lot could happen
between now and when you see this.
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What I do feel comfortable saying is
that when everyone was warning about a
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slippery slope to authoritarianism under
Trump, this is it.
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Because masked government agents
grabbing people off the streets and
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them without due process is
authoritarianism.
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Sending in the military to crack down on
protests against those actions is
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authoritarianism. And the good news is,
polls show there is mounting public
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outrage over all this, as did the
hundreds of thousands of people in the
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this weekend. Even in Minnesota, where
two state lawmakers were tragically shot
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on Saturday, where authorities suggested
it would be safer if protesters stayed
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away.
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People showed up in large numbers
anyway, which is honestly the sort of
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that gives me real hope.
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We're living through a time in American
history that will be remembered for acts
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of incredible cruelty.
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But I hope it will also be remembered
for acts of courage and defiance. Think
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this administration like a loose zebra
in the suburbs.
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It shouldn't be there. It makes you
shout, oh no, a lot.
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But maybe if we all work hard enough, we
can contain it until the glorious day
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we get to watch it fly off into the
fucking sunset.
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And now, this.
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And now, dads on local TV discuss what
they really want for Father's Day.
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What do you want for Father's Day?
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Another tie.
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Another tie.
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Some socks.
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What are the other cliche things?
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Something from Yeti? A cooler? That'd be
great.
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I hope my family's watching. Maybe a
special outing, maybe a gift card. Hint,
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hint. Like, I can get my mom a spa gift
card.
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Done. That's a spa day for her. I can't
get you guys that.
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Why not?
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You want to go to the spa?
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I'll go hang out in the spa.
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What do you want for Father's Day,
Charles?
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A break from working in the yard. That's
all I'm asking.
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Just something basic. I just want to
sit.
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Leave me alone.
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Just leave me with the game.
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It's going to be a great game.
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Then later on that night, my wife will
give me finally my Father's Day.
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You know what y 'all do for Father's
Day.
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I mean, this is the nightcap. I need you
to expand a little bit.
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Well, typically, the little blowjobs you
get, they become not as well
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over the years. Over the years. They
kind of fall off. Yeah. You get maybe
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year. Yeah. Then for Father's Day or
your birthday,
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You'll get a flashback, because she'll
give you a flashback on those days. Then
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for the rest of the year, you suffer.
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Moving on. Our main story tonight
concerns kids.
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You know, idiots.
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They don't know important adult skills
like how to do taxes or have regrets,
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which is why, for years now, local news
has been full of dumb teen trends like
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these. They're apparently bringing back
the Kool -Aid Man TikTok challenge that
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first started during the pandemic.
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Oh, no. If you don't remember, it's when
teens mimic the commercial, pretending
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to be the Kool -Aid Man, saying, oh,
yeah, and then bursting through walls
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fences. There's another popular dare
called the Kylie Jenner Challenge, where
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teens put their lips in shot glasses.
They suck all the air out. It's called
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Banana Peel Challenge. The challenge may
seem harmless at first, but doctors say
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it could really lead. to serious
injuries.
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This TikToker drank nothing but food
coloring for 11 days just to see what
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happen. You may notice my skin is
turning blue.
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It should come as no surprise that
trying to turn yourself blue is not a
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idea. Look, as far as experiments go,
drinking nothing but blue probably isn't
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going to win a Nobel Prize, which is
just as well because we then have to
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a TikTok called I ate my Nobel Prize
just to see what would happen.
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The point is, young people can do a lot
of dumb shit, and that can sometimes
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lead to them getting in trouble with the
law, something definitively covered by
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everyone's favourite character, Pants
Bear.
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Pants Bear, where did you get the candy
from?
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I don't remember seeing that earlier.
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I forgot I got it from the candy aisle.
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But did we pay for it?
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Pants Bear, you cannot simply take
products from the supermarket.
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That's stealing. I didn't mean to steal
it.
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Ah!
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Help!
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Oh, no!
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Oh, no!
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For those unfamiliar, that is Pants
Bear, a bear who, and this is true,
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pants. And so we alike about the
Microsoft Paint quality of the
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clip falls under my single favourite
genre of entertainment, British bears
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castral punishment, so...
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It was always going to be a 10 out of 10
from me.
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But the thing is, in the US, a kid
ending up behind bars for accidentally
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pocketing a candy bar actually isn't
that much of a stretch. And that is what
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our story is about tonight, our juvenile
justice system. We've occasionally
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touched on it before. You may remember
in our school police story, we talked
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about kids winding up arrested for
crimes like throwing skittles or having
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tantrum. That's just one of the many
ways.
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for kids to fall into this system. And
while it's true that some have committed
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serious crimes, far more often they're
in trouble for things like vandalism,
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theft, or even so -called status
offences like truancy or underage
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Basically crimes that are only crimes if
you are a kid.
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You may have even seen stories like the
one about the six -year -old who went to
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court for picking a tulip from a yard at
his bus stop. The point is, our
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juvenile courts are busy.
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In 2022, the most recent year for which
state is available, they heard just over
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600 ,000 cases. That same year, over 130
,000 kids were detained ahead of
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judgment, with an additional 38 ,000
locked up as a result of judge's orders.
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The US actually incarcerates youth at
many times the rate of other nations.
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That's from the Global Study on Children
Deprived of Liberty, which is not a
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study you want to be on the leaderboard
of.
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It's like hearing a urologist say,
single weirdest one I've ever seen.
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How ashamed we should be. It's a topping
the weird dicks list level of shame.
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And while we occasionally get glimpses
of this system, it tends to be
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opaque. Juvenile court hearings are
often closed to members of the public,
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does make sense in a way. It's important
to protect kids' privacy, but in
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practice, that creates a dangerous lack
of accountability for the adult in
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charge. Because the truth is, our
juvenile justice system has many of the
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of our adult one, except the people
running it have even more power.
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And the damage it can do is even longer
lasting. So tonight, we're going to take
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a longer than usual look at two things.
Our juvenile justice system and the
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facilities it can far too often funnel
kids into. And let's start with
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that might seem obvious, but is still
worth stating.
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Kids are not, in fact, tiny adults.
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They are, and this is true, kids.
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And research shows that in figuring out
who they are and how they want to behave
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in life, kids often engage in
exploratory, risk -taking behaviors that
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assess social, personal, and familial
boundaries. Or, to put it another way...
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Part of adolescence is testing the
limits, and part of adolescence is not
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the brain functioning to understand,
gee, if I do that, it's going to get me
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trouble. Right.
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Kids are good at testing limits and bad
at weighing consequences. Sort of like a
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puppy or a pre -Iron Man Robert Downey
Jr.
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And we've long understood that kids need
a system that takes their still
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-developing minds into account. It's
part of the reason why a separate court
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process was created for them back in
1899.
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And just watch this 1940s film, Boy in
Court, which tells the story of a 15
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-year -old boy who helps steal a car.
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Johnny and 200 ,000 other youngsters who
are arrested each year are America's
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number one crime problem.
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Can't something be done to help these
twisted young lives and set them
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Yes, something can be done. Something is
being done.
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Many communities believe that good
juvenile courts with well -organized
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probation service can make good citizens
out of wayward youth.
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Fortunately...
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Johnny lives in a community which has
such a court.
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Yes, luckily, Johnny lives in a
community with a juvenile court, as
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the other kind of community where
wayward children are sent into, the
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No judgments, both are good options,
whether you're talking about
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or the maze.
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In that film, Johnny gets sent to
probation, and his probation officer
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him toward youth sports. It's a process
that all culminates in this happy scene.
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Well, Johnny...
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Mr. Benton tells me you don't need
probation anymore.
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You've made good.
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I guess you won't steal any more
automobiles, will you?
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See, that was dumb, wasn't it?
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It certainly was.
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Well, that is nice, although is that...
A kid actually reformed? Hair flicked
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back, sharp suit. He may have just been
upgraded to a higher class of crime.
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Stealing cars was a fool's game, Your
Honour. I won't do that again, or my
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isn't Little Bernard Madoff.
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But obviously, court never works that
way for everyone and definitely doesn't
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for many kids today. One investigation
into this system has likened it to
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Plinko, the Price is Right game, where a
chip can fall any number of ways
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depending on what it hits on the way
down. And that is basically true here.
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At every stage, factors beyond the kids'
control can propel them to vastly
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different outcomes. And unfortunately,
many kids have no idea how to navigate
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this system or even what their basic
rights are.
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For instance, if a young person is being
interrogated by police, research shows
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they waive their Miranda rights at
extremely high rates, as high as 90%,
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not understand the consequences of that.
Take this woman who was...
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arrested at 15 years old and unknowingly
signed away her rights to an attorney.
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She ended up getting sent to a youth
facility where she met another kid who'd
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been through the same court that she had
and they realized they'd both been
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denied something pretty important.
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I said to my friend, I said, man, did
you have like a lawyer?
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And she was like, no, nobody has
lawyers.
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And I was like, but haven't you seen Law
and Order? Like, everybody has lawyers.
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Like, you're supposed to have a lawyer.
Like, that's what, if you don't have a
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lawyer, you get one assigned to you.
Like, isn't that the, and she was like,
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guess it doesn't work that way for kids.
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That is ridiculous.
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Every kid in court should at least have
access to the stuff they have on Law and
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Order. Which, as we all know, is a
lawyer, two quippy detectives, a guy
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loosely connected to the case but played
by a suspiciously high -profile guest
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star so you know that they did it, a
dead body being played by a Tisch
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getting their big break, and, as always,
an abrupt smash cut to the name...
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Exactly. You know, the usual.
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Now, without access to an attorney, she
ended up being sentenced to three months
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in a youth facility with six months
probation.
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all for the crime of harassment, which
incredibly consisted entirely of making
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this MySpace page mocking her school's
vice -principal.
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And if you're wondering how on earth a
kid wound up getting locked up over
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it's because the judge decided that he
should be. That is the whole reason.
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Because in most cases, when a kid goes
to trial, there is no jury, meaning the
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judge has sole discretion in deciding
the fate of that child. And to be fair,
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some use that power judicially to
dismiss or divert.
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which can take many forms, including
writing an apology letter, doing
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service, or participating in
counselling, or treatment for substance
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judges can also go the other way,
placing kids in a youth facility, or
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kicking their case up to adult court. We
do that for over 50 ,000 kids a year,
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which is actually down from its peak of
250 ,000 in the mid -90s, when there was
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a lot of bullshit fear -mongering about
so -called teenage super predators.
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Back then, sending kids to adult court
was actually a popular campaign promise
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for judges like this guy.
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As judge, if given the opportunity to
try a juvenile offender as an adult, I
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will. If you're a teen and convicted of
murder, rape, or violent crimes against
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our children or the elderly, you can
expect that I will impose the maximum
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sentence allowed by law.
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Mark Chivarella, a judge to protect all
of us.
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Okay, I have a lot of questions there,
starting with, what on earth is he
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walking in front of?
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That certainly doesn't scream I'm a
noble warden of justice as much as my
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homemade ninja warrior training course
fell down.
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So this is my backup career plan.
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Chivarella was the judge who sentenced
that girl to three months behind bars
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over a MySpace page, and she wasn't
alone.
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Over a five -year period, he and another
judge routinely committed juveniles to
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two private detention centres, in many
cases giving out lengthy sentences for
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minor infractions, which sounds bonkers
until you learn they allegedly received
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massive payouts from those centres,
totalling over $2 .7 million.
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It's a scandal that later became known
as Kids for Cash.
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And when it all came out, the outcry
tended to focus on the cash part. But to
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clear, funneling kids into those
facilities, even for free, is not okay.
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Especially when you learn some of those
minor infractions included smoking
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cigarettes on school property, opening a
yo -yo in a convenience store, pranking
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a schoolteacher by hiding her purse, and
stealing a Hershey bar, which I will
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remind you is the exact crime Pants Bear
committed.
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And we all know what happened to him.
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Oh yes, Pants Bear.
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In hindsight, you're just lucky you
didn't get tried as an adult.
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And the fact judges have so much
discretion means their individual biases
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have a huge impact on sentencing. And
one of the most glaring impacts is the
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racial disparity in who gets sentenced
to what. 46 % of kids who get
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incarcerated are black, even though
black kids comprise only about 15 % of
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nation's youth. It's a discrepancy that
this head of a New Orleans... juvenile
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center, points out with some heavy
sarcasm.
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They're all African -American black,
young black kids.
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Today, my population is 100%. Yesterday,
my population was 100%. My population
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has been 100 % most of the time that
I've been here. We have an anomaly in
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Orleans Parish in that white kids don't
go to detention.
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Apparently, they don't commit car
burglaries. Apparently, they don't get
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school fights and commit assaults.
Apparently, they're not selling drugs.
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Because if they are, they're not winding
up in detention.
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Okay, any time the population ends up
100 % all one race, something is up.
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doesn't happen by chance. Even at a
black wedding in a black church,
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got a work friend.
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There are so many stories.
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of kids who face starkly different
repercussions for the same activity.
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Eric, a 13 -year -old boy who was
watching a movie and saw someone with a
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Molotov cocktail. He thought it was cool
and wanted to see if he could make
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something that looked like that. So he
grabbed an empty bottle and filled it
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with household products. Then he taped
it up with black tape and put a piece of
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toilet paper under the cap, which,
importantly, is not a Molotov cocktail,
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a bottle that looks like one. He left it
in his backpack by mistake and brought
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it to school, where he was pulled out of
class, questioned by police...
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arrested, and charged with possession of
a Molotov cocktail, which he did not
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have, attempted arson, which it could
not do, and carrying a dangerous weapon,
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which again, it wasn't.
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Eric is black.
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And when his lawyer told that story at a
conference, a white woman walked over
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and said, my son did exactly what you
described, so crucially, he faced a very
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different punishment, and his school
rearranged his class schedule so he
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take a chemistry course.
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And there is just no clearer disparity
in punishment than the one between gets
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arrested and gets class credit.
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And to see just how naked these
differences can get, look at Rutherford
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Tennessee, where black children make up
around 16 % of the local population. But
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from 2010 to 2021, they accounted for 38
% of those locked up by the county. And
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at that rate, you'd almost think they
were making up reasons to put black kids
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into detention.
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Well, guess what?
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All right, well, in Tennessee, a judge
under fire for illegally jailing black
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kids for watching a fight back in 2016.
The alleged crime, listen to this,
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criminal responsibility of conduct of
another.
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One of the problems, that's a fake law.
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Yeah. Criminal responsibility for
conduct of another is not an actual
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And you can't just invent reasons to
arrest people you don't like.
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I'd love to put whoever thought a
cologne should be sponsored by Johnny
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jail. You have chosen one of the only
men on earth who looks like he
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smells like feet and ayahuasca.
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That feels like a crime to me.
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But at least I acknowledge that it isn't
one.
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In the end, 11 elementary school
children were arrested.
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And this all happened under a juvenile
system run by Judge Donna Scott
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Davenport, who had set up a process
under which even kids accused of minor
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violations must be taken into custody
and transported to jail.
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And did you hear her tell it?
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She was just doing what was necessary to
stamp out a wave of youth crime,
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saying, we were in a crisis with our
children in Rutherford County. I've
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seen it this bad. And calling herself
the mother of the county. And again, in
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the sense that the queen from Aliens was
a mother, sure, I will allow it.
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Davenport even had a radio segment where
she talked about how she had no choice
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but to do what she was doing.
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I've locked up one seven -year -old in
13 years, and that was a heartbreak.
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But eight and nine -year -olds and odor
are very common now.
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Okay, I'm not a judge. I'm not a
criminologist.
416
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:43,000
My expertise is mainly sitting behind a
desk, digesting lactose poorly, and
417
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,180
telling you which of these guinea pigs
can get it. From left to right, yes,
418
00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:50,660
yes, yes, and yes. That's a full house,
ladies, but I am confident in saying
419
00:25:50,660 --> 00:25:55,020
that if putting eight and nine -year
-olds behind bars has become very common
420
00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:58,160
for you, maybe you are the one who
should be in fucking prison.
421
00:25:58,540 --> 00:25:59,740
The point is...
422
00:26:00,140 --> 00:26:05,800
Which judge you get is one of the big
variables in the Plinko board of your
423
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,700
case. The next is what sort of
punishment you get. Because if a judge
424
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:12,960
opt for leniency, they have a number of
tools at their disposal, including
425
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,500
putting you on probation. That's the
thing that little Joddy got earlier.
426
00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:21,020
Some judges will give kids probation
either instead of locking them up or for
427
00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:25,040
time after. And on its face, it does
sound better. Kids get to stay at home
428
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,840
at least theoretically get access to
community -based support.
429
00:26:28,510 --> 00:26:33,090
But the terms can be so easy to violate,
they can still end up behind bars for
430
00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:34,830
what amounts to standard teenage
behavior.
431
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:38,530
A few years ago, there was a case in
Michigan involving a girl called Grace.
432
00:26:38,910 --> 00:26:42,470
She'd been sent before a judge for
stealing at school and fighting with her
433
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:46,250
mother. And she was sentenced to, quote,
intensive probation, which included a
434
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:49,670
GPS tether, regular check -ins with a
court caseworker, counseling, no phone,
435
00:26:49,810 --> 00:26:53,050
and the use of a school laptop for
educational purposes only. She was also
436
00:26:53,050 --> 00:26:55,350
required to do her schoolwork.
437
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,880
But this was all happening at the start
of COVID and remote school, which, as we
438
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,980
all know, was very difficult for some
kids. Grace lost some of the support
439
00:27:03,980 --> 00:27:06,840
she'd been getting at school and missed
some assignments. And before long, she
440
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,440
was handcuffed and locked up because she
hadn't done her homework.
441
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,380
The judge called her a threat to the
community, a characterization that Grace
442
00:27:15,380 --> 00:27:16,860
strongly disputes.
443
00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:20,180
Do you feel that at any point you've
been a threat to the community?
444
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:21,680
No, no.
445
00:27:23,070 --> 00:27:28,870
No, because if we called every person
who's taken something or every person
446
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:34,190
who's got an argument with their mom a
threat to the community, like, I'm
447
00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:37,330
sure everybody would be a threat to the
community.
448
00:27:37,870 --> 00:27:41,870
Exactly. That clearly doesn't make
sense, because if she'd done her
449
00:27:42,150 --> 00:27:45,150
she wouldn't have been considered a
threat. But the second she missed a
450
00:27:45,150 --> 00:27:48,030
worksheet, suddenly she's Tony fucking
Montana.
451
00:27:49,130 --> 00:27:53,650
Studies have found that juvenile
probation is at best deeply ineffective,
452
00:27:53,650 --> 00:27:58,530
worst it leaves kids more likely to
recidivate. And yet the sad truth is, it
453
00:27:58,530 --> 00:28:02,410
still preferable to the harsher
alternatives, which brings us to the
454
00:28:02,410 --> 00:28:06,130
of this story, youth incarceration,
essentially locking kids up.
455
00:28:06,410 --> 00:28:10,070
That might mean a juvenile detention
centre where they await trial, like a
456
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:14,150
or a long -term facility after they've
been sentenced akin to a prison. But a
457
00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:18,150
lot of these facilities don't like using
terms like jails or prisons, preferring
458
00:28:18,150 --> 00:28:21,410
to go by state schools or academies or
youth centres.
459
00:28:21,790 --> 00:28:25,250
But as this interview with the woman who
oversaw this facility makes clear,
460
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:29,190
those euphemisms are not fooling anyone
actually inside one.
461
00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:31,470
Taylor calls itself a centre.
462
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,280
The state lists it as a correctional
facility.
463
00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:38,140
The leadership calls the juveniles
clients, not inmates.
464
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,340
One of the young men I talked to today
said, they call us clients, but we're
465
00:28:43,340 --> 00:28:44,840
clients. We're prisoners.
466
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,080
You can call whatever you want. You're
in a prison.
467
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,040
Does he have a point?
468
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,500
Well, we do still control their
movement.
469
00:28:55,020 --> 00:28:56,800
They are still, certainly.
470
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,060
in an environment that we are in control
of, and they're not. And that probably
471
00:29:02,060 --> 00:29:03,300
feels like prison.
472
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,220
And you have barbed wire.
473
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,780
Yes. And doors that lock.
474
00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:09,860
Yes. In front of you and behind you.
475
00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:17,480
Yes. One of the toughest things for my
job, certainly, is to always balance
476
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,780
the needs of the client and public
safety.
477
00:29:21,220 --> 00:29:26,640
Okay. Putting aside the use of the word
client there, it probably feels like
478
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,220
prison. Yeah, of course it does. It's
fucking prison.
479
00:29:29,820 --> 00:29:33,240
Lots of people feel like prisoners, but
they actually aren't. You know, people
480
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,700
trapped in loveless marriages or a
cameras -on -work call or a studio
481
00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:42,300
where the subject of the alleged comedy
show is kids' prisons. But when there is
482
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:47,840
barbed wire and kids locked up in a
cell, it's not just a feeling, it's a
483
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,620
reality. Because whatever you call these
facilities, once you're inside, it is
484
00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:54,360
painfully clear what they are.
485
00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:59,770
From the outside, it looks like an
office building. But go inside, and it
486
00:29:59,770 --> 00:30:00,770
like a prison.
487
00:30:01,230 --> 00:30:03,470
These are single occupancy cells.
488
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:07,770
But look closer. This haunting picture
shows who's inside.
489
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:10,890
Children barely taller than door
handles.
490
00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:12,530
Jesus Christ.
491
00:30:12,790 --> 00:30:17,090
And honestly, props to that kid for
turning the creepy factor up to a
492
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:21,710
He saw someone with a camera and said,
let me show you assholes what it is
493
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:23,030
actually like in here.
494
00:30:23,580 --> 00:30:28,040
Because that looks exactly like an adult
prison. And typically we tend to try
495
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,240
and tone things down if they're designed
for children. It is the entire business
496
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,460
model behind Kidz Bop. And Kidz Bop
takes a lot of shit.
497
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,340
But who else is changing the Macklemore
Lyric and Thrift Shop probably should
498
00:30:40,340 --> 00:30:44,040
have washed this, smells like R. Kelly's
sheet, to probably should have washed
499
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,100
this, smells like my baseball cleats.
500
00:30:47,380 --> 00:30:48,380
No, no.
501
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,600
Well, thanks.
502
00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:54,840
have no minimum age to be sent to one of
these facilities, and some others set
503
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,720
the age at seven or eight, which is
horrifying enough even before you
504
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,300
what it can be like inside them. Just
listen to this mother describe the
505
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:05,860
conditions of a facility that her son
was kept in in Michigan.
506
00:31:06,220 --> 00:31:12,060
They had flooding from sewage. My son
literally called me and said, Ma,
507
00:31:12,380 --> 00:31:18,280
there's literally poop. I can't say the
word he said.
508
00:31:19,020 --> 00:31:22,340
floating through the hallways, urine and
feces.
509
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,420
Look, I really appreciate that she's
going out of her way to be polite there,
510
00:31:27,460 --> 00:31:30,980
but if your child tells you they're
living in a state -sanctioned shit
511
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,620
you should absolutely be allowed to
curse on local news.
512
00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:37,340
In fact, you should be actively fucking
encouraged.
513
00:31:38,140 --> 00:31:43,340
One employee at that facility even said,
I would sell my soul if it was my kid
514
00:31:43,340 --> 00:31:44,340
in there to get them out.
515
00:31:44,650 --> 00:31:47,730
Because the conditions are so bad. And
while that facility has since closed,
516
00:31:48,010 --> 00:31:52,830
there are similar stories of unsanitary
conditions all over the country. And the
517
00:31:52,830 --> 00:31:56,630
thing is, these places are supposed to
be rehabilitative.
518
00:31:56,890 --> 00:32:00,890
But basic services like mental health
counselling can be non -existent. It's
519
00:32:00,890 --> 00:32:05,270
estimated that up to 70 % of youths in
the justice system have a diagnosable
520
00:32:05,270 --> 00:32:09,310
mental health problem. But as few as 20
% of them ever receive mental health
521
00:32:09,310 --> 00:32:12,950
services in there. As for education
services, they are not much better.
522
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:18,170
A child in South Carolina reported
receiving only a single day of education
523
00:32:18,170 --> 00:32:19,270
the course of nine months.
524
00:32:19,550 --> 00:32:23,170
And a lawyer in Michigan said her young
clients didn't have anything to write
525
00:32:23,170 --> 00:32:26,830
with to complete the schoolwork packets
that they were given. And a mother there
526
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:31,090
said that her son hadn't been attending
school at the facility, but instead had
527
00:32:31,090 --> 00:32:34,190
received a word search to complete. And
clearly...
528
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:38,220
That is not an adequate education.
Although, for the record, that is also
529
00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:42,200
only time that you'll ever find me bad
-mouthing word searches. Because that
530
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,380
shit is fun.
531
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:47,760
A letter mystery where your eyes are the
detectives? Don't mind if I do.
532
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,300
I'm a word slut who loves to be right.
Up, down, backwards, diagonal, it's
533
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:53,740
Cirque du Soleil for your mind.
534
00:32:53,980 --> 00:32:58,740
And when you find a word that is not
only diagonal, it's backwards, honey,
535
00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,920
honey?
536
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,920
Fuck me stupid, I'm wet for that.
537
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:04,500
So...
538
00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:10,400
It is hardly surprising researchers have
found that detained students have
539
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,020
significantly worse academic outcomes,
with one study in Washington finding
540
00:33:14,020 --> 00:33:19,980
16 % of detained students there
graduated from high school, compared to
541
00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:20,980
non -detained students.
542
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:25,420
And it's not just lousy buildings or a
lack of services. There is also physical
543
00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:28,360
violence, sometimes actively encouraged
by the staff.
544
00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:33,680
30 Los Angeles County officers charged,
accused of staging what prosecutors are
545
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,900
calling gladiator fights inside a
juvenile detention center. After video
546
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:42,460
of those fights, first obtained and
published by the L .A. Times last year,
547
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,960
helped trigger an investigation.
548
00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:48,340
Parents of one of the teens speaking
with NBC Los Angeles horrified at the
549
00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:52,060
footage. They say the guards appear to
do nothing to help, even appearing to
550
00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:54,140
shake hands with one of the boys who hit
him.
551
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,520
That is horrifying.
552
00:33:56,220 --> 00:34:00,340
Even the Roman emperor who invented
gladiator fights, whoever that was,
553
00:34:00,340 --> 00:34:02,880
look at that and go, what the fuck is
wrong with you?
554
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,620
Also, how did you get it to be light in
there without a fire? Also, what am I
555
00:34:06,620 --> 00:34:10,040
watching this on? But mostly, what the
actual fuck is wrong with you?
556
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:14,969
And staff can be active participants in
abuse. There have been multiple reports
557
00:34:14,969 --> 00:34:18,630
of staff and facilities doing things
like withholding sanitary pads or
558
00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:21,630
withholding prescribed medications as
collective punishment.
559
00:34:21,949 --> 00:34:25,830
And I won't even get into all the many
examples of physical abuse that we found
560
00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:29,110
researching this story. Suffice to say,
a guard at one facility in Florida
561
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:32,650
apparently beat his detainees with a
broomstick that he nicknamed Broomy.
562
00:34:33,170 --> 00:34:38,230
And if all that wasn't bad enough, which
it very much is, Some facilities also
563
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:42,310
use solitary confinement, which, as
we've discussed before, is widely
564
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:46,870
torture. For kids and teenagers in
particular, prolonged isolation can
565
00:34:46,870 --> 00:34:50,850
exacerbate mental disabilities or other
serious mental health problems. And yet,
566
00:34:51,010 --> 00:34:52,510
it has been used routinely.
567
00:34:53,130 --> 00:34:56,550
There have been reports of kids kept in
isolation for 22 hours a day or more,
568
00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:59,090
often for days, weeks, or even months on
end.
569
00:34:59,570 --> 00:35:03,090
Just listen to this man, who went
through Judge Davenport's facility as a
570
00:35:03,090 --> 00:35:05,670
teenager, explain how he wound up in
solitary.
571
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:11,970
Me and my best friend, we had gone out
at night and we had opened up some
572
00:35:11,970 --> 00:35:12,868
unlocked cars.
573
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:15,570
They didn't steal the cars, but they did
take some change.
574
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:17,610
It was a nonviolent offense.
575
00:35:18,070 --> 00:35:23,230
But Dylan was held in solitary
confinement for four days waiting to see
576
00:35:23,610 --> 00:35:27,430
Four days doesn't sound like a lot until
there's absolutely nothing to do. I
577
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:30,590
mean, just go shut yourself in a closet
for four days and you'll know what I
578
00:35:30,590 --> 00:35:35,070
mean. Yeah, that would absolutely be
torture. You try shutting yourself in a
579
00:35:35,070 --> 00:35:38,490
closet for four days. You will quickly
lose your mind. Sure, you'll maybe
580
00:35:38,490 --> 00:35:42,370
initially check the back to see if
you've got any chance of a Narnia
581
00:35:42,510 --> 00:35:46,590
But even then, you're dealing with some
needy talking animals and some pretty
582
00:35:46,590 --> 00:35:50,270
heavy -handed Christian allegory. You
might be better off on your own. And
583
00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:52,670
remember, that wasn't even his
punishment.
584
00:35:52,930 --> 00:35:55,250
He was just waiting to be seen by a
judge.
585
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:57,610
And this happens all the time.
586
00:35:57,980 --> 00:36:01,440
Though some facilities won't use the
term solitary, instead calling it
587
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,880
seclusion, isolation, segregation or
room confinement.
588
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,760
One even sent kids to what they called
reflection cottages.
589
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,140
Which honestly sounds like a place on
The Bachelor where the contestants go to
590
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:13,140
masturbate.
591
00:36:13,820 --> 00:36:18,180
And some facilities can be pretty
shameless about this. Take the Richard
592
00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:19,280
Centre in Knoxville.
593
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,500
It's known to lock kids alone in a cell
more than any other facilities in their
594
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:27,580
state. And here's its head and namesake,
Richard Bean, laying out his general
595
00:36:27,580 --> 00:36:30,020
philosophy when it comes to juvenile
detention.
596
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,860
And used to, we paddled kids.
597
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:38,660
In 1986, we stopped when the state ruled
you couldn't.
598
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,320
And had a lot of problems since then. We
didn't have any problems.
599
00:36:44,140 --> 00:36:47,500
They thought I was about half crazy. I'd
whip six or eight a year.
600
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,080
And it runs pretty smooth.
601
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,040
What we do is treat everybody like
they're in here for murder.
602
00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:56,400
And you don't have any problems if you
do that.
603
00:36:56,820 --> 00:36:57,820
You know what?
604
00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:59,820
I do have a problem, actually.
605
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:04,840
And it's not just that your name is Dick
Bean or that you have a literal kid
606
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,440
jail named after you. It's not even that
you smack your lips like you're
607
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,420
recording ASMR for sociopaths.
608
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:14,340
It's that you should not treat every
child in your care like a murderer. And
609
00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:15,340
the record...
610
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:19,400
Most of the kids in Dick Bean's facility
are not yet convicted of anything.
611
00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:23,580
Most have only been charged with a crime
and are awaiting court dates. And yet
612
00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:27,820
kids have been put in solitary there for
things like talking back and forgetting
613
00:37:27,820 --> 00:37:31,480
to bring their books to class. But when
local news spoke to the centre's board
614
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,440
chairman, he saw nothing wrong with what
they were doing.
615
00:37:34,940 --> 00:37:39,240
It's not like we're putting them in a
cage somewhere. They're in their normal
616
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,900
bedroom. It's their bedroom. This is...
617
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,760
The solitary confinement.
618
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,580
It's just you go to your room.
619
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,340
What are you laughing at there, you
deeply weird man?
620
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:57,760
The only way that playful giggle makes
any sense is if just out of frame a
621
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,080
Keebler elf was tickling his balls with
a feather.
622
00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:05,660
I want this by no means the point. I
just want to take a minute to address
623
00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:11,180
episode of hoarders happening behind
this man. What is going on in that room?
624
00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:16,180
count. four American flags, one aquarium
for hanging dress shirts, two bookends
625
00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:20,360
with no books between them, a whole
collection of elephants, one Trump doll,
626
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,040
Obama doll that either evens things out
or makes things much worse, one portrait
627
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,580
of Richard Nixon, and one actual Richard
fucking Bean. What are you doing back
628
00:38:29,580 --> 00:38:31,520
there, dick? Sit anywhere else!
629
00:38:32,260 --> 00:38:35,800
You're too old to be lurking in the
background without suggesting some kind
630
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,160
Weekend at Bernie's situation's
happening.
631
00:38:39,820 --> 00:38:43,380
Tennessee's Department of Children's
Services has been documenting the
632
00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:47,800
use of seclusion at the Bean Center for
years, and yet they continue to approve
633
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,000
their license to operate.
634
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,520
And while Richard Bean himself is
finally retiring later this year in the
635
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of yet another scandal at the facility,
he's doing so at age 84, and not only
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will the facility stay open, this
devil's egg is still the head of the
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there. And that is to think it. Nothing
I've brought up tonight is new
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information. We've known about abuse in
juvenile confinement facilities for
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decades. And it's worth remembering that
if public safety is your priority,
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locking kids up by the hundreds of
thousands just isn't the answer to that.
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Detention actually increases the
likelihood that youth will be arrested
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punished later on. One study in
Washington state found that every
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spent in detention increased the odds of
felony recidivism by one percentage
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point. Meaning that locking kids up over
the long run makes no fucking sense.
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As this critic of New Jersey system
points out.
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95 % of kids who are locked up here are
black.
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At a cost of more than $250 ,000 per kid
per year.
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More than an Ivy League education. Much
more per year, much more than four years
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of an Ivy League education.
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And that youth coming out of these
places reoffend at a rate that exceeds
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So we know we're buying a whole lot of
failure for a whole
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lot of money.
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Yeah, on top of everything else, this
nightmare is not even cost effective.
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I can actually recommend a book that
talks more about that. It's called The
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Purely Economic Argument Against Ad -Hoc
Child Torture. You know, if that's
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something you needed.
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The truth is, we don't do this because
it works, because it doesn't. We do this
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because we want to.
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Because we're afraid of these kids, or
we're mad at them, or we just can't
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imagine that they could be ours, and so
we don't give a shit.
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There's even a pervasive sense that
whatever happens to these kids in these
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facilities is somehow what they deserve,
even if what happens to them is
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horrifying. Kids in Louisiana's Ware
Youth Center reported enduring, among
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other terrible things, sexual abuse from
guards at the price of phone privileges
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or in exchange for food, despite a
horrendous... pattern of abuse there.
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had only prosecuted three guards in her
13 years in office and even then gave
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them all plea bargains to keep them out
of prison and off sex offender
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registries. Because she said she did not
like the idea of burdening someone with
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a charge that they did not deserve.
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And when asked if the cases made her
concerned about the safety of children
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that facility, she responded, we're
talking about armed robbers and
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and these girls haven't even hit the age
of 18 yet, some of them. Do I worry
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about their safety? No, I don't. I think
that they're quite capable of taking
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care of themselves.
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And it is pretty telling who she's
comfortable reducing to a label there.
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murderers are fine on their own, but
let's not call these poor, sex
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guys sex offenders. They have their
whole life ahead of them. They can
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That kind of indifference is sadly all
too common throughout this system. And
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you want to see the tragic consequences
of it from start to finish, take the
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case of Solon Peterson, a 13 -year -old
who was arrested after an incident at
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his school. His parents asked that he go
to a mental health facility.
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But instead, he was sent to a juvenile
detention centre. As it happens, the
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one where those guards were sexually
abusing girls.
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While there, Solon disassembled the life
in his cell and was sent to isolation.
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Under Louisiana state rules, isolation
shouldn't exceed four hours.
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Solon was kept in isolation for four
days.
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At one point, he reportedly told the
guard that he wanted to die, to which
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guard replied, if you want to be killing
yourself, just do it.
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And I'll let this news story pick things
up from there.
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Solon took his own life in solitary
confinement at the Ware Youth Center in
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Cushatta. The 13 -year -old was there
because he'd set a roll of toilet paper
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fire at Houghton Middle School.
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Solon's death raised serious questions
about whether he should have been sent
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where in the first place.
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He had no criminal history and was
battling PTSD and ADHD with the help of
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medications. We feel very confident in
knowing that if Solon had lived 15 miles
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in the opposite direction, that he would
not have been in this situation because
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the judge in that jurisdiction...
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would have made a different choice for
his case yeah that is heartbreaking and
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yet the where you center remains open
and if you're thinking how can a system
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treat kids like this i'd argue it's what
happens when too many of us stop
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thinking of them as kids some of whom
may have done terrible things many of
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00:43:23,530 --> 00:43:28,740
haven't and none of whom deserve this
because look We've all done stupid
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00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:32,540
in our youth. Maybe you shoplifted or
committed vandalism or roasted a teacher
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00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:36,920
online or got in a fight or, God forbid,
opened a yo -yo in a convenience store.
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Any of the things that you've heard kids
get in trouble for tonight, and maybe
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you didn't face lasting consequences.
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00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:48,920
But it's worth remembering that for the
variables of race or class or how the
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00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,420
Plinko chip happened to fall, things
could have ended very differently for
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So what can we do?
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I would argue that the whole system I've
shown you from start to finish here
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needs reform. When it comes to the
juvenile justice process, kids should be
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provided access to legal counsel at
every step of the system. If they want
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waive their right to an attorney, it
should only be after a discussion with
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And if they're going to be given
probation, it should be designed in such
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that rewards and incentivises good
behaviour instead of penalising a kid
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every mistake they make. But in general,
experts suggest diverting kids... into
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things like family -focused multi
-dimensional therapy models, mentorship
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programmes, and investing in community
-based interventions is in most cases
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best approach.
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One of the most comprehensive studies
ever undertaken in this field followed
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over a thousand adolescent boys for five
years after they'd been arrested for
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low -level offences. And it found that
diversion isn't just better for the
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It actually promotes public safety
through reducing violence, which serves
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everyone. The good news is...
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There are lots of organisations that
have been working hard to deliver those
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services. The bad news is they're among
the ones getting hardest hits by the
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Trump administration's massive funding
cuts.
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Now, when it comes to incarceration, I
will concede there are some kids who may
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be a threat to themselves or others and
may, for a time, need to be in a secure
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setting. But even then, I'd argue any
residential treatment they get should
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no resemblance.
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to adult incarceration.
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I'd also argue that adult incarceration
should bear no resemblance to adult
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incarceration, but that is for another
time.
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That's for another time.
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To their credit, all these states have
passed some rules or statutes limiting
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the practice of locking kids up over
minor probation violations, which is
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And all of these in D .C. have passed
laws aimed at improving conditions in
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youth facilities. So I will warn you
there that cosmetic changes can be
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reassuring. There have been numerous
stories of facilities that bragged about
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new approaches like pet therapy and
yoga, only for it to then emerge that
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were hung to the same abuses as
traditional facilities, just with more
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00:45:53,770 --> 00:45:54,770
coloured walls.
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So reform can't be a discrete event. It
has to be an ongoing commitment to
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reimagining this entire system. And for
the final time, I get that some kids can
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00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:10,150
commit heinous crimes, but our anger at
those crimes...
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shouldn't be the main thing dictating
our treatment of those kids.
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Especially when you consider kids'
brains do change as they get older.
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00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,660
indicate that even psychopathic traits
decrease with age in the majority of
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youth, whether they're involved with the
justice system or not. The point here
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00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:31,020
is, no matter what they did, kids
deserve safety, respect, protection, and
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chance to grow beyond their mistakes.
They deserve to be treated like
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00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:38,000
individuals with potential and value
even, and I would argue especially.
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00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,320
On their worst day.
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00:46:41,740 --> 00:46:43,760
Being an adult is hard.
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00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:46,540
Becoming one is even harder.
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00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,620
And we need to work as diligently as we
can to make sure that we are not
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00:46:50,620 --> 00:46:55,400
wrecking kids' lives by mindlessly
throwing them into these prisons or
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or youth centres or freedom -challenged
inside yards or whatever the fuck you
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00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,640
want to call them.
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And if we can do this, then hopefully
one day we'll be able to look back on
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00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,680
absolute disgrace of a system.
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As a thing of the past. And just like
happy reformed Johnny, say, gee, that
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00:47:13,420 --> 00:47:14,660
dumb, wasn't it?
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00:47:15,340 --> 00:47:16,460
And now this.
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00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:23,060
And now, KLAS reporter Ozzie Mora loves
to show, not tell.
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Think of social media being a tree like
this one. Each branch representing a
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00:47:28,820 --> 00:47:29,820
different platform.
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00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,120
Las Vegas is one of the places with the
highest eviction rates. Some of these
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rocks that you see here can be hidden
around parks in trees.
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00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,660
light pole, and table.
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00:47:41,970 --> 00:47:44,890
The ladies train six to eight hours
every weekend.
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00:47:45,550 --> 00:47:49,450
Telling me the overall goal is to
provide opportunities for women. Every
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00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:54,310
licensed educator needs to renew their
license five to six years, depending on
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00:47:54,310 --> 00:47:55,169
their degree.
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00:47:55,170 --> 00:48:00,450
This yoga course that we're in right now
offers six hours towards the 15 hours
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they need to renew.
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00:48:01,650 --> 00:48:05,730
But when you open these doors, the
opportunities are endless. Students can
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up in any of these stations in class,
whether it be connecting wires.
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Or cutting up some wood.
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00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,060
Or hammering away.
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And the numbers show just how many
students are struggling. For the school
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2022 -2023, the department had 4 ,100
referrals from either parents or
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pediatricians. CCSD is not even halfway
through this school year and there are
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already 2 ,000 referrals.
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That's our show. Thanks so much for
watching. We'll see you next week.
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