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[DOG BARKING]
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July 13th, 2023, um...
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started out like a normal day.
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ANNOUNCER [OVER PA]:
The next station
is Penn Station.
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I was at my job,
working for my dad.
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He was a very well-known
architect in Manhattan.
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The last thing I said
to my father before I left was:
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"I'll see you at home."
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[TRAFFIC BUSTLING]
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It was 11:00 at night, and I was
waiting for my husband,
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but he didn't come home.
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[SIRENS WAILING]
And then suddenly,
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I see them
come on the front porch,
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and I just hear banging.
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"FBI open up!"
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"Okay, Victoria.
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This isn't happening.
This isn't happening."
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ASA:
They push their way in,
and they asked me:
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"Do you know why we're here?"
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And I said,
"My husband's guns?"
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VICTORIA:
I knew my dad
had stuff with the IRS,
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Department of Labor, but FBI?
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ASA:
And the woman
investigator says to me:
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"Have you heard about
the murders on Gilgo Beach?"
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And I said,
"I've heard of them,
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but I don't know anything."
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And she said, "Your husband,
he knows all about it."
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VICTORIA:
And they said,
"We have evidence
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your dad
murdered all these women.
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And your home
is now a crime scene."
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Never would have imagined
I'd be hearing that in my life.
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They're telling me
that my husband
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is alleged to be
some horrific serial killer.
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VICTORIA:
They started asking
about if my dad
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was ever sexually advancive
towards me, or touched me,
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and I said, "No, no,
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I cannot really recall
anytime he was like that."
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ASA:
And then the investigator
says to me that my husband
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will be charged in the morning
with murdering three women.
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And I told her she's crazy.
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No.
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No.
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[SCOFFING]
No!
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No freaking way
is this man going out,
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soliciting sex
from a sex worker,
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killing them
and dumping them on Gilgo Beach.
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[***]
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On the morning
of July 14th, 2023,
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I was in, I think,
the first row.
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And I did notice
that a number of the families
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came into the courtroom.
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You could just feel
the tension in the air
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and the anticipation waiting
for this guy to come out.
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Rex, did you do it?
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REPORTER:
Rex Heuermann, 59,
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charged
with three murders today.
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Melissa Barthelemy,
Amber Lynn Costello,
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and Megan Waterman.
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All sex workers,
all in their 20s.
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HARRISON:
He's a demon, he's an animal.
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He's somebody that should not
be around other human beings.
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MURPHY:
I remember he wasn't reacting
to the charges against him.
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It almost seemed like there was
a deadness in his eyes.
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His form, his face,
his expression.
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I remember thinking,
this man is six-foot-four,
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and Melissa Barthelemy
was four-foot-nine.
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That disparity in size.
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The only word that really
came to mind was monstrous.
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REPORTER:
He's behind bars without bail
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due to the nature
of the accusations.
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[***]
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TOULON:
When he first
came into our custody,
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and I went
and I introduced myself...
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Rex had a very smug look
of importance.
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One of the things I noticed
was there was no despair.
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There was no show of emotions.
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I've never seen someone
who's very stoic,
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very quiet in their demeanor.
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SASSE:
All of the family members
of these victims,
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we never thought
we'd never see this day.
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So I'm rejoicing,
I know they are too.
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TOULON:
The one thing I can say
to all the families is,
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first, that I apologize for
the Law Enforcement community
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because it took so long for us
to identify a suspect
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and bring him into custody.
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It's bittersweet
because I don't necessarily
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like having that closure,
but it is such a relief
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that we do know who it was.
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HARRISON:
Even with this arrest,
we're not done.
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There's more work to do
in this investigation
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regarding the other victims.
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This case is not over,
it's only beginning.
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We're continuing
to execute search warrants,
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and we anticipate
getting more evidence.
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MURPHY:
It was sort of
an adrenaline rush
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after having covered this case
for nearly 13 years.
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To finally realize, hey,
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Massapequa
was significant all along.
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Those first reports
about cell phone pings
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coming near Penn Station.
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It made sense because this guy,
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he has an office
in midtown Manhattan.
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Worked right near Penn Station,
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and he took the train
every day back to Massapequa.
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ANNOUNCER [OVER PA]:
The next station
is Massapequa Park.
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So now we wanna find out
who knew him best.
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We wanna find out from his
neighbors, what was he like?
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We wanna find out
from his coworkers,
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were there any clues?
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[***]
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McGARVEY:
In hindsight, is it possible
that no friends, no family
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ever suspected that something
was off about this guy?
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Did he fit the stereotype
of a serial killer?
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Or was there this
other side of Heuermann?
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REPORTER:
Nassau County police cars
and trucks lined the street
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as investigators search
inside Rex Heuermann's home.
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RYDER:
I received a phone call.
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We moved our people
into position,
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so we were the first ones
with Suffolk
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as they executed
the search warrant
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with their crime scene van,
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and their command post,
and their detectives.
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REPORTER:
There's been a steady stream
of investigators
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removing evidence
from the house.
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ASA:
The night of the raid,
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they drove us over to the hotel
and they got us a room.
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They have a cop
24 hours outside
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keeping an eye on me.
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I watched the news.
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They were taking bags and bags
of stuff out of the house.
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REPORTER:
One of the more
unsettling pieces of evidence
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is a child-sized doll
kept inside a glass case.
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ASA:
Are they testing
the doll for DNA?
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My head, it's spinning.
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There's no telling now
what else they'll recover.
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Spinning.
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Spinning.
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RYDER:
We're gonna make sure
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that we're not gonna turn this
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into some kind of sideshow.
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[INDISTINCT CHATTER]
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REPORTER:
The family of the accused
Long Island serial killer
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made an emotional return
to their home
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after investigators spent days
there tearing apart the deck,
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excavating the yard, doing
a deep search for any evidence.
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After 13 days of cutting
their property to pieces,
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the family just moves back in.
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REPORTER 1:
We know that it's--
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REPORTER 1:
Are you staying in the house?
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REPORTER 2:
So we're not
blaming you for anything.
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REPORTER 1:
We feel very bad,
and we wanted--
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SHEEHAN:
It was bizarre.
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It was like they
were in a fishbowl
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and we were watching them.
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REPORTER:
Rex Heuermann's wife
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and the suspect's adult stepson
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was seen crying
on the front porch.
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A woman whose husband
is charged with being
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one of the worst killers
in decades.
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She really is
a mysterious figure.
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We don't know
what role she's playing
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or how much she knew or didn't.
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We also didn't know
what kind of world
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they'd built in that house.
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OFFICIAL:
The house could be
categorized as cluttered.
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There was a lot of boxes
and it was a very cluttered,
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I would say, environment.
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FITZGIBBON:
Nobody's gotten in that house.
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There's like an army
of media outside.
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But no one knows
what life is like
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inside the Heuermann house.
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WOMAN 1:
This is crazy.
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WOMAN 2:
They aren't leaving, are they?
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REPORTER:
Forensic teams in protective
suits and cadaver dogs
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were brought in
during the 12-day search.
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We were looking for
your tangible items of evidence,
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as well as trace evidence,
including blood and DNA,
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and, uh, hair fibers
and the like.
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[CONTINUES OVER TV]
Now, it goes
from here to trace section
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and then to, if appropriate,
the DNA section.
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So that's a--
That's a process.
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We haven't ruled in or ruled out
anything with regard to that.
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VICTORIA:
When we got back home
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after they raided it,
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it was not recognizable.
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No beds, no clothes.
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Our bathroom sink was broken.
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They should have actually
deemed our house uninhabitable.
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ASA:
Oh, look at this.
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It was as if they were trying
to leave us for dead.
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They broke that.
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They pulled this
out of the wall.
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They pulled it out.
Yeah.
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That's what that hole
in the wall was from.
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ASA: What is in here?
CHRIS: Garbage. Nothing.
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Well, something was in here
because it's not in here now.
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ASA:
The kids, they were
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crying themselves to sleep
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before we actually
got into the house.
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We were all doing it.
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Fear, anxiety, uh, guilt.
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All of those emotions
are all going
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like a roller coaster.
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Rolling.
Rolling and rolling and rolling.
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But we needed to come home.
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They have a lot of sentimental
stuff in the house.
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And I still feel Rex is here.
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BROWN:
They went through that house
with a fine-tooth comb.
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They dug up the backyard.
They went into walls.
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They went into pipes.
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They went under
the cement foundation.
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And they have yet
to show anyone
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any evidence in that home.
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CHRIS:
When I first came home,
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I couldn't even get in
and out of that garage.
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'Cause everything was all
stacked up high as your head.
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They took a lot of stuff
from this garage.
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He had his screwdrivers
against the wall over here.
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We had a big--
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Very heavy band saw right here.
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The radial arm saw
was right here.
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And then he had
a table saw underneath here.
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I was always afraid
of the table saw
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because it's very dangerous.
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I hate this.
I know.
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[SOBBING]
I know.
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I know.
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But I'm here.
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And we can do this together,
okay?
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All right?
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All right. Come on.
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[SNIFFLES]
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SHEEHAN:
After the arrest, they hand out
this movie script indictment.
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They wrote this thing
like a thriller
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and put all the best parts
right up front.
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Sadistic and twisted.
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Pornographic, Google searches,
burner phones,
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records of taunting victims'
family members.
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It was upsetting,
but it was tabloid gold.
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ALGAR:
You couldn't get your hands
on that document fast enough.
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And as I read through it,
I-I was stunned on many levels.
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One: on the level of detail,
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and the thoroughness
of the investigation.
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And what quickly
became apparent
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was a very solid case
against him.
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I was also, like many people,
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sickened by some of
the searches that he had made.
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The worst part
of the bail application
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was seeing
the verbatim internet searches.
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OFFICIAL:
There was a lot of torture porn
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and what you would consider
depictions of women
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being abused,
being raped and being killed.
258
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He was looking for really
horrific types of pornography.
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Child porn, torture of girls,
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sobbing girls, rapes of girls.
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There were searches
that pertained to children.
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Children as young as 10.
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My jaw is dropping.
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How sadistic is this person?
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[PHONE RINGING]
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OPERATOR:
To accept this free call,
press one.
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To refuse this free call,
press two.
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[BEEPS]
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[***]
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How are you doing?
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REPORTER 1:
The suspected serial killer,
Rex Heurmann,
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remains in jail
on murder charges.
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REPORTER 2:
He's been held at the Suffolk
County Jail in Riverhead
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since he was arrested.
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[***]
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[PHONE RINGING]
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ASA:
Hello.
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How are you doing?
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I'm doing great.
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Now that I've got you
on the phone.
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All right.
What did you have for dinner?
282
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Oh, okay.
283
00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:13,440
Uh-huh.
284
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Yes, you are.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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Bye.
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ASA:
I'm talking to him
all the time.
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But he only has
a certain amount of time
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to be able to make calls,
291
00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,710
so I can't get too comfortable
292
00:15:45,740 --> 00:15:49,080
talking to him about things
that are gonna hurt him.
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[SIGHS]
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Um...
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Telling him that I love him.
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That will hurt him.
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[***]
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The two of us were married
for 27 years.
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We were a hundred percent
part of each other's lives.
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00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,050
Does everybody really believe
301
00:16:31,090 --> 00:16:32,320
everything they hear?
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00:16:32,350 --> 00:16:33,620
HARRISON:
Rex Heuermann is a demon.
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REPORTER:
Charged as a serial killer.
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Do you really believe
everything that's being said?
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00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,500
REPORTER 1:
This man is a sexual sadist.
306
00:16:41,530 --> 00:16:44,270
REPORTER 2:
He enjoyed
torturing his victims.
307
00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:45,470
Well, we didn't buy it.
308
00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:52,770
REPORTER [OVER TV]:
Rex Heuermann
has pled not guilty,
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00:16:52,810 --> 00:16:56,310
and insists through his lawyer
that he's innocent.
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The only thing I can tell you
that he did say
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00:16:58,510 --> 00:17:01,650
as he was in tears, was,
"I didn't do this."
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REPORTER [OVER TV]:
He is an unlikely suspect.
313
00:17:04,220 --> 00:17:05,450
A husband, father of two,
314
00:17:05,490 --> 00:17:06,760
an architect
working in Manhattan
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dealing with arcane
building codes.
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How you doing?
Good to see you.
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REPORTER:
In February 2022,
he was interviewed
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about his job
for a YouTube show.
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00:17:17,130 --> 00:17:18,730
I'm Rex Heuermann.
I'm an architect.
320
00:17:18,770 --> 00:17:21,500
I'm an architectural consultant.
I'm a troubleshooter.
321
00:17:21,540 --> 00:17:24,210
Born and raised on Long Island.
INTERVIEWER: Okay.
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I met Rex
when I was 18 years old.
323
00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,250
We went
to different high schools.
324
00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,380
I went to Farmingdale.
325
00:17:31,410 --> 00:17:32,610
He went to Massapequa.
326
00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:37,250
I've been working in Manhattan
since 1987.
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00:17:37,290 --> 00:17:40,660
VICTORIA:
Bonjour TV
did an interview with him.
328
00:17:40,690 --> 00:17:45,360
I was primarily a receptionist
in my dad's office,
329
00:17:45,390 --> 00:17:48,830
and I was there listening
to his whole story.
330
00:17:48,860 --> 00:17:50,730
INTERVIEWER:
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00:17:53,170 --> 00:17:55,170
REX:
That's an interesting question.
332
00:17:56,170 --> 00:17:57,470
I have one tool
333
00:17:57,510 --> 00:18:00,210
that's pretty much used
in almost every job,
334
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,480
and it's actually
a cabinetmaker's hammer.
335
00:18:02,510 --> 00:18:06,310
It is persuasive enough...
[LAUGHING]
336
00:18:06,350 --> 00:18:08,350
...when I need
to persuade something.
337
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:13,560
Sometimes I have to be
the heavy framing hammer.
338
00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,360
Other times,
I'm the lightweight hammer
339
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:21,300
just to nudge things along.
[LAUGHING]
340
00:18:21,330 --> 00:18:23,160
[TRAFFIC BUSTLING]
341
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,530
VICTORIA:
Starting when
I was in college...
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00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:29,270
he got some really big jobs.
343
00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:32,540
Then he was very busy
for a couple of years.
344
00:18:33,540 --> 00:18:35,380
And actually, I was honestly
345
00:18:35,410 --> 00:18:37,350
really inspired by my dad.
346
00:18:37,380 --> 00:18:39,850
I looked up to him.
347
00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,180
One. Two. Three.
348
00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:42,750
Can you smile?
That is.
349
00:18:42,780 --> 00:18:44,450
[LAUGHING]
350
00:18:44,490 --> 00:18:47,720
I felt like, damn, I have
some really big shoes to fill.
351
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,760
[CHUCKLES]
Yeah.
352
00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,600
ALGAR:
When you think that
he committed these acts
353
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:56,870
while he was still
seeing clients
354
00:18:56,900 --> 00:18:59,200
at his architecture firm,
355
00:18:59,230 --> 00:19:00,670
made it even more chilling
356
00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:03,200
because he
compartmentalized things
357
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,210
to such a degree
that he was able
358
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,640
to outwardly conduct his life
359
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,880
as normal
in an otherwise routine way.
360
00:19:09,910 --> 00:19:12,610
But his job was very demanding.
361
00:19:12,650 --> 00:19:15,220
And when it started
to be visible
362
00:19:15,250 --> 00:19:18,250
that the stress was weighing
on his mental health.
363
00:19:18,290 --> 00:19:19,650
[DOOR CLOSES]
364
00:19:20,990 --> 00:19:23,860
Sometimes he would
come home frustrated.
365
00:19:26,930 --> 00:19:28,860
He needed to wind down.
366
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,670
But he never...
367
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,640
no, he never hit any of us.
368
00:19:35,670 --> 00:19:38,240
...were injuries to her face,
torso, breasts.
369
00:19:38,270 --> 00:19:39,770
VICTORIA:
The worst he would do...
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00:19:39,810 --> 00:19:41,540
OFFICIAL:
The women were bound
at the head,
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00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:43,410
the chest, and later,
at the legs.
372
00:19:43,450 --> 00:19:45,280
VICTORIA:
...was he would throw a plate
into the sink.
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00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:47,350
REPORTER:
The remains
of three sex workers
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00:19:47,380 --> 00:19:50,490
were discovered bound
and concealed in burlap sacks.
375
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,290
[***]
376
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,590
That-- That's the worst.
377
00:19:56,790 --> 00:19:58,660
Listen, like,
my dad was an open book,
378
00:19:58,690 --> 00:20:00,560
and a lot of people
who knew my dad,
379
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,670
long term clients, people
he worked with for years.
380
00:20:03,700 --> 00:20:06,570
It was no secret he hunted.
It was no secret he had guns.
381
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,500
He was an open book.
382
00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:16,310
JIMENEZ:
I've known Rex Heuermann
for 17 years.
383
00:20:16,340 --> 00:20:20,950
I met Rex at
the building department in 2006.
384
00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:24,920
Big old Rex comes in,
and he says, "Hi, I'm Rex."
385
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:27,460
Really friendly, really nice.
386
00:20:27,490 --> 00:20:29,320
Because we're both architects,
387
00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,430
we have a lot of things
in common.
388
00:20:31,460 --> 00:20:33,660
Certain political views,
389
00:20:33,700 --> 00:20:37,300
the scotch, the cigars,
the guns, all the macho stuff.
390
00:20:37,330 --> 00:20:39,000
He was easy to be friends with.
391
00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:42,300
We would go to the range
and shoot rifles...
392
00:20:42,340 --> 00:20:43,770
[GUNSHOTS]
393
00:20:43,810 --> 00:20:45,540
...pistols...
394
00:20:45,570 --> 00:20:46,880
all kinds of guns.
395
00:20:55,020 --> 00:20:58,520
The first time
I went to Rex's house,
396
00:20:58,550 --> 00:21:02,460
I pull up
and I look at the house.
397
00:21:02,490 --> 00:21:04,760
It's pretty unimpressive.
398
00:21:04,790 --> 00:21:06,860
It looks a little bit rundown.
399
00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,860
It doesn't look like
it's been redone.
400
00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:11,830
And being an architect,
I sort of said:
401
00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:15,000
"Oh, why is...
no, I'm not gonna judge him."
402
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,910
Yeah, I knew he grew up there.
403
00:21:16,940 --> 00:21:19,040
When he got the house
from his mother,
404
00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:21,740
I think he wanted to keep it
the way it was.
405
00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:24,650
It has to do with
arrested development.
406
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,350
That's what drove him
not renovating it.
407
00:21:28,380 --> 00:21:30,350
He did have a little office,
408
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:33,490
and I think his little office
was above the gun room,
409
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,390
if I think of it
architecturally.
410
00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:37,360
And that was behind the garage.
411
00:21:37,390 --> 00:21:41,500
The garage was a woodshop,
and he had a great woodshop.
412
00:21:41,530 --> 00:21:42,860
He was a great woodworker.
413
00:21:44,430 --> 00:21:46,530
VICTORIA:
He was really good
with his hands.
414
00:21:46,570 --> 00:21:49,900
My dad did build me
that dollhouse,
415
00:21:49,940 --> 00:21:54,610
and it was one of the best
things he ever built.
416
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,910
I love that dollhouse.
417
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:59,010
One of the most
pressing questions on the case
418
00:21:59,050 --> 00:22:01,680
after his arrest was,
"Where did he do this?"
419
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,520
So the revelation
that it was likely
420
00:22:04,550 --> 00:22:06,590
that he did indeed
commit these crimes,
421
00:22:06,620 --> 00:22:08,660
or some of them in his own home,
422
00:22:08,690 --> 00:22:10,690
his own family home,
in the basement.
423
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:14,600
In this sort of
sinister looking,
424
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:17,970
beaten down building
was shocking.
425
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,140
REPORTER 1:
A total of 279 firearms
were removed from the basement
426
00:22:22,170 --> 00:22:24,040
as part of the investigation.
427
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:25,870
REPORTER 2:
Investigators say
most of the guns
428
00:22:25,910 --> 00:22:27,680
were stashed
inside a basement vault,
429
00:22:27,710 --> 00:22:30,080
sealed behind
a solid iron door.
430
00:22:30,110 --> 00:22:33,850
[***]
431
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,960
VICTORIA:
A lot of media, they're calling
the vault the "kill room."
432
00:22:40,990 --> 00:22:43,020
That's where he stored
all his guns.
433
00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:46,090
As a kid, he showed them to me.
434
00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:48,430
And he did teach me
how to use a gun
435
00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:50,570
when I was old enough.
436
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,940
But the vault
was always locked.
437
00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:59,510
The only times I was in there
was if he was in there.
438
00:22:59,540 --> 00:23:01,580
I know plenty of people
who own firearms.
439
00:23:01,610 --> 00:23:04,110
I don't know anybody
that has a gun safe
440
00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:07,050
that can be considered
a "vault." "A walk-in vault."
441
00:23:08,580 --> 00:23:10,550
ASA:
This is the steel door.
442
00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:13,520
It had a combination lock.
443
00:23:14,220 --> 00:23:15,620
It's this lever here.
444
00:23:15,660 --> 00:23:18,160
It's a very easy way to get out,
445
00:23:18,190 --> 00:23:20,760
so no one
can get locked in here.
446
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:26,470
Now, this is the room
447
00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:32,540
where he displayed
his firearms collection.
448
00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:37,510
So the famous gun room
when I sat there,
449
00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:40,080
I recall vividly that he said:
450
00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,780
"In 30 years,
you're the fourth person
451
00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:44,920
to ever be in this room."
452
00:23:46,150 --> 00:23:47,590
And I was like, "wow."
453
00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:50,060
And that's when
he showed me his collection.
454
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:53,230
So, he started
collecting rifles
455
00:23:53,260 --> 00:23:56,770
and all kinds of guns
early on when he was 18.
456
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,670
And it was
an amazing collection.
457
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,770
There's nothing in this case
458
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,170
that suggests that those guns
459
00:24:05,210 --> 00:24:08,910
were utilized
in the commission of any crime.
460
00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:11,650
A walk-in gun vault,
that's one thing,
461
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,180
but a secret room...
462
00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:16,020
I was like, "Oh, my God."
463
00:24:16,050 --> 00:24:18,720
[CREAKS, CLOSES HEAVILY]
464
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,160
GRACE:
According to a colleague
of Rex Heuermann's,
465
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:29,060
he had a room specifically built
in his basement
466
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:33,270
that even his wife
was not allowed to enter.
467
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:37,010
VICTORIA:
That's the secret room
everybody talks about.
468
00:24:38,670 --> 00:24:40,280
It's kind of
a walk-in closet...
469
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:41,610
[SHUTTER CLICKING]
470
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,780
...in the gun room
471
00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:45,810
that is actually
right under the stairs.
472
00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:51,990
He didn't want anybody
to have access to it,
473
00:24:52,020 --> 00:24:56,730
the secret room,
so nobody would know.
474
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,230
Not because
he was hiding anything,
475
00:25:00,260 --> 00:25:04,830
but because he wanted
to secure a safe in there.
476
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:06,970
I actually didn't see
what the inside of it
477
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,770
actually looked like
until after all this happened.
478
00:25:10,810 --> 00:25:13,580
I couldn't get in there myself.
479
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:16,240
For me,
I was asking myself:
480
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,980
is this some kind
of House of Horrors?
481
00:25:19,010 --> 00:25:20,880
Does he have a dungeon
in there?
482
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,890
Is he killing people like
Silence of the Lambsstyle?
483
00:25:27,290 --> 00:25:29,160
FITZGIBBON:
The obvious question was:
484
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:31,590
"What's going on
inside that secret room?"
485
00:25:31,630 --> 00:25:35,130
The answer is, "We won't fully
know until the trial happens."
486
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,030
Then, we'll learn
what investigators found.
487
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:40,040
[SIRENS WAILING]
488
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:42,770
The Heuermann home
has become a symbol
489
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,940
of Rex's descent and decay.
490
00:25:47,180 --> 00:25:50,280
Outwardly,
it's a ramshackle building.
491
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:52,750
There's a possibility now
that there were some
492
00:25:52,780 --> 00:25:56,150
unspeakable horrors
that took place in its basement,
493
00:25:56,180 --> 00:25:58,350
and its dungeon.
494
00:25:58,390 --> 00:26:01,760
It's become Long Island's
new Amityville Horror house,
495
00:26:01,790 --> 00:26:03,190
to some degree.
496
00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:05,760
The stain
a serial killer leaves
497
00:26:05,790 --> 00:26:07,860
on the psyche of a community.
498
00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:09,630
Anything to say at all?
499
00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:11,730
ALGAR:
It remains for decades.
500
00:26:11,770 --> 00:26:13,940
Our nice, quiet neighborhood
of Massapequa Park
501
00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:17,270
will now be known
for the home of a serial killer.
502
00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:19,910
And then there's the family
who lived there.
503
00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:22,340
If it turns out that
he was this prolific killer,
504
00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:23,910
was Rex's wife, Asa,
505
00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:26,950
willfully ignorant
of what was going on?
506
00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:28,850
How could she not know?
507
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,990
[***]
508
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,330
[***]
509
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,730
REPORTER 1:
Accused Gilgo Beach
serial killer Rex Heuermann
510
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,270
is facing more turmoil.
511
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:48,700
His wife of 27 years
filed for divorce on Wednesday.
512
00:26:48,740 --> 00:26:52,210
REPORTER 2:
Online filings list the divorce
as uncontested.
513
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,010
FITZGIBBON:
The initial
public impression of Asa
514
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,010
was that she wanted
to distance herself.
515
00:26:58,050 --> 00:26:59,880
She filed for divorce.
516
00:26:59,910 --> 00:27:02,820
The question is
did she know about any of this?
517
00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:04,750
It's hard to read this family,
518
00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:07,890
as far as how good was he
at living this double life.
519
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,460
Did she actively not want
to realize what was going on?
520
00:27:12,490 --> 00:27:14,930
REPORTER:
Heuermann
has also filed the papers
521
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,030
to turn the marital home
solely over to her.
522
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:20,900
He bought it from his own
parents two decades ago.
523
00:27:20,940 --> 00:27:25,310
I understand why
she divorced my dad.
524
00:27:25,340 --> 00:27:28,780
They did the divorce
to protect the assets.
525
00:27:28,810 --> 00:27:32,950
It's now legally her house.
She was married to him.
526
00:27:32,980 --> 00:27:36,020
She gets the asset
from the divorce.
527
00:27:36,050 --> 00:27:38,820
If we lost the house,
we'd be homeless.
528
00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:40,190
It's our house.
529
00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:45,260
But that doesn't mean
that we're not a family anymore.
530
00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:49,460
LINKLETTER:
We know nothing
about their marriage.
531
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,770
We know nothing about
the dynamic between them.
532
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,870
And we know nothing about why
Rex Heuermann zeroed in on Asa
533
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:57,910
as the person
he wanted to marry.
534
00:27:57,940 --> 00:27:59,240
This could have been something
535
00:27:59,270 --> 00:28:01,480
he thought through
very carefully.
536
00:28:01,510 --> 00:28:03,780
[***]
537
00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:05,980
Could it be that
when he was finding a partner,
538
00:28:06,010 --> 00:28:10,320
he handpicked somebody who he
could possibly manipulate,
539
00:28:10,350 --> 00:28:12,750
possibly control?
540
00:28:12,790 --> 00:28:15,520
I think we have
to really open our minds,
541
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,130
as far as how Asa ended up
in this situation.
542
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,400
We don't know yet.
543
00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:33,410
ASA:
I moved here in with Rex
in November of 1995.
544
00:28:37,550 --> 00:28:38,950
That's my favorite.
545
00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:43,250
I met Rex
when I was 18 years old.
546
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,920
He was going to college.
I was working at 7-Eleven.
547
00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:55,460
I was born in Iceland.
548
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:59,330
My younger brother was adopted
to an Icelandic family,
549
00:28:59,370 --> 00:29:02,170
and I was adopted to America.
550
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,110
But because of that,
551
00:29:04,140 --> 00:29:07,140
I traveled a lot
to Iceland with my family.
552
00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:09,980
And Rex, he traveled a lot.
553
00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:12,310
He went on archeological digs.
554
00:29:19,050 --> 00:29:21,460
He's the kind of guy
you turn your head
555
00:29:21,490 --> 00:29:24,190
and you go take a look at,
you know.
556
00:29:25,090 --> 00:29:29,230
He was tall, handsome...
557
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:32,200
debonairing young man.
558
00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:36,540
I love tall, dark and handsome.
That's me.
559
00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:40,840
And at that time, I was
madly in love with the man.
560
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,080
There's no doubt about that.
561
00:29:44,350 --> 00:29:47,450
But then,
I met my first husband,
562
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,220
and got married.
563
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:53,490
But things
did not go well at all.
564
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,590
After my son
Christopher was born,
565
00:29:56,620 --> 00:30:02,260
my ex-husband became
somebody completely different.
566
00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:06,230
I was in the process
of getting a divorce.
567
00:30:06,270 --> 00:30:10,640
Christopher's father,
he wasn't very nice about it.
568
00:30:10,670 --> 00:30:12,510
He said to me,
569
00:30:12,540 --> 00:30:14,980
there's no way in the world
he was gonna be okay
570
00:30:15,010 --> 00:30:17,480
with me being happy
with somebody else.
571
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:21,350
Rex was the kind of person
that you could call
572
00:30:21,380 --> 00:30:24,050
even if you just
wanted to talk.
573
00:30:24,620 --> 00:30:26,190
And that's it.
574
00:30:27,460 --> 00:30:29,120
We were friends.
575
00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:32,030
Everybody needs a friend.
576
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,260
So Rex came with me, one time,
577
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:36,530
to go pick up my son.
578
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:39,170
Rex was standing there
579
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,100
and he heard what he said.
580
00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:45,970
Rex then says,
"Okay, I'm not worried.
581
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:49,310
Let's get a lawyer.
Let's take him to court."
582
00:30:49,340 --> 00:30:53,450
And then he paid for the lawyer
to take him to court.
583
00:30:56,050 --> 00:31:00,020
So fast forward,
I got my divorce.
584
00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:04,560
There was no reason
to hold back.
585
00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:06,130
You know what I mean?
586
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,630
So Rex said to me,
"I've got a nice house.
587
00:31:08,660 --> 00:31:11,430
I mean, it's not big,
not elaborate.
588
00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:15,070
How about you come and see
if you'd like to stay there?"
589
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,970
I'm like,
"Yes, I would love to."
590
00:31:20,010 --> 00:31:23,710
And then I found out
I was pregnant with Rex's baby.
591
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:29,450
And he said to me, "Well, how do
you feel about marrying me?"
592
00:31:31,150 --> 00:31:32,450
And I said...
593
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:35,160
yes.
594
00:31:36,290 --> 00:31:38,990
There's a picture of me,
595
00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:43,300
and I'm looking up, going,
"I finally got him."
596
00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:47,570
He's mine.
597
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,670
[BELL RINGING]
598
00:31:53,310 --> 00:31:55,280
REPORTER 1:
Rex Heuermann,
the man charged
599
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:57,480
with three
of the Gilgo Beach murders,
600
00:31:57,510 --> 00:32:00,480
returned to court
on Long Island today.
601
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,520
REPORTER 1:
Rex Heuermann
appeared in court today
602
00:32:02,550 --> 00:32:05,020
for a conference
rather than a hearing.
603
00:32:05,050 --> 00:32:06,390
His lawyer Mike Brown
604
00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:09,720
is seeking 75 pages
of discovery materials.
605
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,630
[CONTINUES OVER TV]
He is petitioning
for lab documentation
606
00:32:12,660 --> 00:32:14,600
from the Suffolk County
Crime Lab.
607
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:17,630
The 59-year-old architect
is also the prime suspect
608
00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:20,040
in the disappearance and
killing of the fourth woman,
609
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:23,240
but he hasn't been charged yet
in that case.
610
00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:24,740
ASA:
This is gonna be the first time
611
00:32:24,770 --> 00:32:27,710
that I'm gonna go to court
and see Rex.
612
00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:30,110
Of course, I'm anxious.
613
00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:35,320
Everybody's going
to be staring at me.
614
00:32:37,090 --> 00:32:39,620
OFFICIAL:
The only thing his wife
knows about the charges
615
00:32:39,650 --> 00:32:41,660
is what's been relayed
by the press.
616
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:44,390
She's having a very
difficult time processing
617
00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:46,800
that the man that she was
married to for 27 years
618
00:32:46,830 --> 00:32:48,360
was capable of these crimes.
619
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,070
It's been
a difficult journey for her.
620
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:52,300
That should do it.
621
00:32:55,270 --> 00:32:59,240
ASA:
All of these girls
that were found on Gilgo Beach,
622
00:32:59,270 --> 00:33:01,780
they were girls.
623
00:33:01,810 --> 00:33:05,350
They were somebody's daughter.
624
00:33:05,380 --> 00:33:08,050
They were somebody's sister.
625
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,650
Nobody deserves what they got.
626
00:33:12,250 --> 00:33:15,560
[***]
627
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:21,130
But Rex was not
seeing prostitutes.
628
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,260
He's a family man.
629
00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:25,770
He didn't do this.
630
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:30,440
McGARVEY:
Police have all of these pieces
631
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:34,440
of, like, really damning
evidence against Rex Heuermann.
632
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,780
It makes you wonder
if this evidence
633
00:33:36,810 --> 00:33:40,250
will finally make Asa
believe Rex is the killer.
634
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,190
I would need to hear it
from Rex, face-to-face,
635
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,420
that he killed these girls,
636
00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:51,590
for me to believe it.
637
00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:59,770
My husband never kept me
out of anything.
638
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,170
That's why I'm going
to the courthouse.
639
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,210
That's why I wanna see it
for myself.
640
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,510
It's important for me
to know what he's going through.
641
00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:16,620
And I want
to be a part of it.
642
00:34:16,650 --> 00:34:19,250
REPORTER 1:
Suspected Gilgo Beach
serial killer Rex Heuermann
643
00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:21,260
is expected in court
this morning.
644
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:23,630
And a new twist,
so is his estranged wife.
645
00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:26,160
REPORTER 2:
This marks
the first time Asa, his wife,
646
00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:28,660
has chosen to appear
in court on his behalf.
647
00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:30,600
I think we have
some video of her arriving.
648
00:34:30,630 --> 00:34:32,470
There was a huge press scrum
649
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:35,740
of people trying
to get images of her.
650
00:34:35,770 --> 00:34:37,570
Let's go!
651
00:34:37,610 --> 00:34:40,210
Don't put your hands on me
again, you fucking asshole!
652
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:44,180
We've never seen her
appear before at court
653
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:46,920
to either support her husband
or just to look on.
654
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:49,650
But at least today,
we did see her arrive
655
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,690
for this very brief hearing.
656
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,790
REPORTER:
The man accused
of the Gilgo Beach murders
657
00:34:57,830 --> 00:35:01,260
made his first court appearance
since September.
658
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:03,570
But it was
his estranged wife Asa
659
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,230
who drew the most attention...
660
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:06,700
Off to the side.
661
00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:08,900
...showing up to one
of Rex Heuermann's hearings
662
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,240
for the very first time.
663
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:12,610
RAY:
She lived with this man
664
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,510
in a 1343 square-foot home
for 27 years.
665
00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:19,650
And you want me to believe
666
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,880
that she's not involved
in his activities?
667
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,790
MAN:
She should be
considered a suspect
668
00:35:25,820 --> 00:35:28,260
and not just a bystander.
669
00:35:28,290 --> 00:35:30,390
[***]
670
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,500
[***]
671
00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:38,500
REPORTER 1:
Surrounded by state
court officers, Asa Ellerup,
672
00:35:38,530 --> 00:35:41,200
the estranged wife of accused
Gilgo Beach serial killer
673
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,810
Rex Heuermann,
attends his court appearance,
674
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,340
a first since his summer arrest
and arraignment.
675
00:35:47,380 --> 00:35:50,910
REPORTER 2:
During the court proceedings,
she exchanged glances with Rex.
676
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:54,550
Numerous sources reported on
Asa's smiling at her husband.
677
00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:57,450
REPORTER 3:
Heuermann has been charged
with three murders.
678
00:35:57,490 --> 00:36:00,620
REPORTER 4:
He's a prime suspect
for a fourth possible murder.
679
00:36:00,660 --> 00:36:02,590
Where are you guys with that?
680
00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:04,790
So the grand jury is continuing,
681
00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:09,700
and we anticipate it, um,
concluding shortly.
682
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:12,400
[PHONE RINGING]
683
00:36:12,430 --> 00:36:15,340
MACEDONIO:
I just got back to the office
from doing arraignment.
684
00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:16,910
That was a huge, huge, huge win.
685
00:36:18,010 --> 00:36:19,970
Nice job on that, though, today.
686
00:36:20,010 --> 00:36:21,980
The whole thing, even Rex, okay?
687
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:22,980
[PHONE BEEPS]
688
00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:24,250
That was Mike Brown.
689
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,220
So at one point, he got
to make eye contact with you.
690
00:36:30,690 --> 00:36:33,420
[SIGHS]
I liked seeing him.
691
00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:35,320
I really liked seeing him.
692
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,960
It was comforting.
Nobody can be in your position.
693
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:38,830
A serial murderer.
694
00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:40,600
You're married to him
for 27 years.
695
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:42,600
ASA:
I just don't see him that way.
696
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:45,300
No, that's not the Rex I know.
697
00:36:45,330 --> 00:36:46,600
[PHONE RINGING]
698
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:48,670
So if they're gonna sit there
and they tell me
699
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:49,900
that he only did this
700
00:36:49,940 --> 00:36:51,940
during these
particular time periods
701
00:36:51,970 --> 00:36:56,440
that I was away on vacation,
I'd have to question that.
702
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,710
If the man
is that much of a genius,
703
00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:02,880
that he's capable of doing that,
okay, I don't believe it.
704
00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:08,620
[***]
705
00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:09,990
The whole speculation is
706
00:37:10,030 --> 00:37:12,890
he's butchering these people
in his own basement.
707
00:37:14,060 --> 00:37:15,860
VICTORIA:
The task force is alleging
708
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,770
that these murders happened
when we were on vacation.
709
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,010
Melissa Barthelemy disappeared
in July 2009.
710
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,040
She was last seen
711
00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:28,840
sitting outside
her apartment in the Bronx.
712
00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:33,680
All right.
713
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,890
So here's my bathroom.
714
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,660
After everything that
they went through in my house,
715
00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:44,390
nothing is private.
716
00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:45,530
The door.
717
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,930
They took it.
718
00:37:49,530 --> 00:37:50,670
Brand new.
719
00:37:51,730 --> 00:37:54,800
They're alleging that
he killed one of these girls
720
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,770
when he remodeled the bathroom
when I was in Iceland.
721
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,810
I remember, July 10th, 2009...
722
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,620
I planned a trip
to go to Iceland
723
00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:12,120
for five weeks
to visit my family.
724
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:13,520
I asked Rex:
725
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,130
"Are you okay
with me taking the kids
726
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,960
to spend time with my family?"
727
00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:23,670
And he said yes.
728
00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:27,500
Rex was always working,
729
00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:31,110
working, working, working,
to bring home a paycheck.
730
00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:34,810
The reason why my husband
didn't go with us on vacation
731
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:40,450
is construction building
is highest in New York City
732
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,550
during the summertime.
733
00:38:42,580 --> 00:38:46,690
And he would also try
to take advantage of times
734
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,160
that we were not in the house
735
00:38:48,190 --> 00:38:52,530
to do some reconstructing
in the house.
736
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,100
When I was in Iceland,
I remember that conversation,
737
00:38:56,130 --> 00:38:58,700
when he called me
the night before he left.
738
00:38:58,730 --> 00:39:01,400
He said to me,
"I made a big mess.
739
00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:07,610
And I have a big surprise
for you when you get home."
740
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:12,910
He told me he had ripped apart
the whole bathroom,
741
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:14,620
and he threw everything out.
742
00:39:14,650 --> 00:39:16,720
He had gone to the Home Depot
743
00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:18,790
to pick up some supplies.
744
00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:21,860
There are receipts
from when it was retiled,
745
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:23,830
and he had put in a toilet
746
00:39:23,860 --> 00:39:25,590
and a sink downstairs
in the basement,
747
00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:27,100
and he had redone the plumbing.
748
00:39:27,130 --> 00:39:29,860
The bathroom
had been completely gutted
749
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:32,130
from top to bottom.
750
00:39:32,170 --> 00:39:33,600
That was Rex.
751
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,870
He's a problem solver.
752
00:39:36,810 --> 00:39:38,540
He got on a flight
753
00:39:38,570 --> 00:39:40,780
to Iceland the next day.
754
00:39:42,940 --> 00:39:44,650
They ripped up the bathtub
755
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,920
looking for trace evidence
of blood.
756
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:50,650
They've ripped into everything.
757
00:39:53,660 --> 00:39:56,490
It takes approximately
four weeks
758
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,090
to do a bathroom like this.
759
00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:01,660
I was in Iceland
for five weeks.
760
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,900
If she went missing July 10th,
761
00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:05,870
then I guess they're assuming
762
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:08,970
that she was held hostage
here in this house.
763
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,170
And then he killed her
and dumped her body
764
00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:15,180
the night before
he left for Iceland.
765
00:40:15,210 --> 00:40:19,880
McGARVEY:
Remember, within a week
from when Melissa went missing,
766
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:23,120
her little sister
begins receiving a string
767
00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:27,690
of sick and twisted phone calls
from the alleged killer.
768
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,930
MURPHY:
Once Rex Heuermann
left the area of New York
769
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,130
and flew to Iceland
to join his family on vacation,
770
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,770
the taunting calls
to Melissa's sister stopped.
771
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:46,210
McGARVEY:
Megan Waterman was last seen
in June 2010
772
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,780
outside a Holiday Inn
in Hauppauge, New York,
773
00:40:49,810 --> 00:40:50,910
which is in Long Island,
774
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:52,980
just six months prior
775
00:40:53,010 --> 00:40:55,750
to her remains being found
on Gilgo Beach.
776
00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:03,190
When Megan Waterman
went missing on June 6th, 2010,
777
00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:05,030
two days before that,
778
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:09,230
my mom, my brother, and I
went to Six Flags in Maryland.
779
00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:15,940
ASA:
Rex doesn't do roller coasters,
780
00:41:15,970 --> 00:41:20,040
and he doesn't do water slides
781
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,710
because he suffers
from severe motion sickness.
782
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:30,150
So I had bought season tickets
to go to Six Flags
783
00:41:30,190 --> 00:41:31,590
for my children.
784
00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:35,590
VICTORIA:
I was, like, a roller coaster
junkie when I was a kid.
785
00:41:35,620 --> 00:41:39,830
It was a lot of fun,
and they're great memories.
786
00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:46,130
PERTEL [CRYING]:
She loved her daughter so much.
787
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:48,840
She was just very kindhearted,
you know?
788
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:50,140
She made mistakes. Who doesn't?
789
00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:53,580
She didn't deserve this.
Nobody deserves this.
790
00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:57,050
Megan never thought
she would end up in sex work,
791
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,920
but she was coerced
by somebody she was dating.
792
00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:04,220
VICTORIA:
The task force is alleging
793
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:07,290
that two days
after we went on vacation,
794
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,990
my dad murdered Megan...
795
00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:15,000
and discarded her
while we were away.
796
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:24,340
I don't-- Um...
797
00:42:24,370 --> 00:42:25,970
I'm not sure that it...
798
00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:30,250
I don't know whether it did
or didn't happen.
799
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,180
At the time,
I was 13 years old.
800
00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:40,920
The portrait that was emerging
of Rex was paradoxical,
801
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,930
because you had this narrative
802
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,760
of a man
simply living his family life
803
00:42:45,790 --> 00:42:47,400
and going to work every day.
804
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:50,770
ANNOUNCER [OVER PA]:
The next station
is Penn Station.
805
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,030
ALGAR:
On the other hand,
806
00:42:52,070 --> 00:42:57,910
he is living
this incomprehensibly evil life.
807
00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:01,080
He does not look capable
of what he did.
808
00:43:01,110 --> 00:43:02,940
I was honestly very shocked.
809
00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:05,110
ALGAR:
Taking a sex worker captive.
810
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:08,250
Killing her, disposing of her,
811
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,850
with his family apparently
unaware and on vacation.
812
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,760
I'm convinced that the person
they're looking for
813
00:43:15,790 --> 00:43:18,290
is not a family man.
814
00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:22,730
You prey on small,
innocent girls.
815
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,270
The routineness of it added
a sinister layer to the case.
816
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:30,240
He didn't do this.
817
00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:35,080
It's somebody who doesn't take
their kids on vacation
818
00:43:35,110 --> 00:43:37,810
because they don't have
any kids.
819
00:43:37,850 --> 00:43:39,910
SASSE:
Just looks like a cold monster.
820
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:42,350
None of these girls
stood a chance.
821
00:43:42,380 --> 00:43:45,090
ALGAR:
And then we hear
there's more evidence coming.
822
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,460
There's more twists coming,
there's more turns.
823
00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:51,260
There's no reason to think that
this case is going to become
824
00:43:51,290 --> 00:43:54,130
any less confounding
and astonishing
825
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,830
than it already has been.
826
00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:58,270
REPORTER:
Prosecutors
long suspected Heuermann
827
00:43:58,300 --> 00:44:00,440
had a hand
in Brainard-Barnes's killing,
828
00:44:00,470 --> 00:44:02,100
one of the Gilgo Four.
829
00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:04,840
Now they say
they've got the proof
830
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:06,410
to support that claim.
831
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,040
[***]
832
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,180
[***]
833
00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:17,750
REPORTER:
Rex Heuermann, the accused
Long Island serial killer,
834
00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:19,390
appeared in court again today
835
00:44:19,420 --> 00:44:22,820
as he's now charged
in the death of a fourth woman.
836
00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:25,030
In January of 2024,
837
00:44:25,060 --> 00:44:27,030
Rex Heuermann is indicted
838
00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:29,300
on the fourth murder
in the Gilgo Four,
839
00:44:29,330 --> 00:44:31,100
for Maureen Brainard-Barnes.
840
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:34,170
[PEOPLE CHATTERING INDISTINCTLY]
841
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,810
We're here to discuss
the superseding indictment.
842
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,780
TIERNEY:
Well, the biggest change
is the DNA evidence.
843
00:44:40,810 --> 00:44:46,110
We now have nuclear DNA results
for all five of the hairs.
844
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:49,520
This nuclear DNA evidence
is really overwhelming.
845
00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:51,450
One hair is tied
to Rex Heuermann,
846
00:44:51,490 --> 00:44:53,890
three hairs
are tied to his wife Asa,
847
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,960
and one hair is tied
to his daughter Victoria.
848
00:44:58,990 --> 00:45:00,200
FITZGIBBON:
The significance
849
00:45:00,230 --> 00:45:02,460
of the Maureen
Brainard-Barnes charge
850
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:04,800
is that it's the first time
in the case
851
00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:06,230
that there was nuclear DNA.
852
00:45:06,270 --> 00:45:08,470
Nuclear DNA
is what the cops want.
853
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:11,010
That's, like, ties right
to an individual, a suspect,
854
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,010
and identifies him.
855
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,080
LINKLETTER:
It's very hard to dispute
nuclear DNA evidence,
856
00:45:16,110 --> 00:45:18,450
'cause it is, like,
somebody's fingerprint.
857
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,080
FITZGIBBON:
The initial three victims
he was charged with
858
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,550
were mitochondrial matches,
859
00:45:22,580 --> 00:45:25,950
which more eliminates
other suspects
860
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:27,420
rather than pinpoint him.
861
00:45:27,460 --> 00:45:29,820
So this was
a massive development.
862
00:45:29,860 --> 00:45:32,360
REPORTER:
Five hairs discovered
on multiple victims
863
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:34,500
have now been matched
through nuclear DNA
864
00:45:34,530 --> 00:45:36,830
to the Heuermann family.
MURPHY: We're wondering,
865
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:39,500
will this change
Asa and Victoria's opinion?
866
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:43,000
I mean, where do you find three
members of the same household
867
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,140
tied to crime scene murders?
868
00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:48,340
REPORTER:
Investigators say
869
00:45:48,380 --> 00:45:51,450
they linked 25 year-old
Maureen Brainard-Barnes' murder
870
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,080
to Rex Heuermann
via DNA from a female hair
871
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,420
found on a belt used to bind
her ankles, feet and legs.
872
00:46:05,860 --> 00:46:08,530
ASA:
In July of 2007,
873
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,370
I was on vacation trying to do
something fun with my kids.
874
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,870
There were credit card receipts
of us being in Atlantic City
875
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:22,040
at this particular time period.
876
00:46:25,110 --> 00:46:26,880
They're alleging
that my husband
877
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,180
managed to go to work...
878
00:46:29,380 --> 00:46:31,990
solicit sex
from a sex worker...
879
00:46:32,020 --> 00:46:34,220
[PHONE RINGS]
[DOOR CHIMES]
880
00:46:34,260 --> 00:46:36,260
...sit on a train...
881
00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:40,160
and then come home, make plans,
882
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,930
pick 'em up,
883
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,300
kill 'em, dump 'em...
884
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:47,440
turn around,
885
00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:49,600
and go to Atlantic City
to come see us.
886
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:54,410
I'm sorry, it's bullshit.
887
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,480
I'm sorry for my language.
888
00:47:00,550 --> 00:47:02,920
REPORTER:
Hairs found
on Megan Waterman's body,
889
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:05,650
and the burlap bindings
match Rex Heuermann
890
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:08,520
and his wife's
advanced DNA profile.
891
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,930
And a hair found
on Amber Costello's body
892
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,530
matches Heuermann's daughter,
Victoria.
893
00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:21,570
LINKLETTER:
Victoria decided to join Asa
in court that day,
894
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,610
where this evidence
involving her is made public.
895
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,410
FITZGIBBON:
So the first time
that Victoria goes to court
896
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,050
for her father's case
happens to be the same day
897
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,480
that her DNA is linked
898
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,090
to a hair found
on one of the victims.
899
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,520
I mean, she's not a suspect.
900
00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:41,690
Her father did this
when she was on vacation.
901
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:43,490
But how does that feel like?
902
00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:47,130
I mean, what's going through
her mind at that point?
903
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:55,700
The general public
is just curious about Asa
904
00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:57,640
and her and Rex's children.
905
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:59,340
REPORTER:
For the daughter to show up,
906
00:47:59,370 --> 00:48:01,010
this is the first time
we've seen her.
907
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,480
Is there still a basis of hope
that their father
908
00:48:04,510 --> 00:48:06,980
is not who the prosecutors
believe him to be?
909
00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:10,950
I don't know if people are so
obsessed with Asa and Victoria,
910
00:48:10,990 --> 00:48:14,120
out of curiosity, or anger,
911
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,660
or what it is that's drawing
so many eyes to them.
912
00:48:17,690 --> 00:48:20,600
But people really can't seem
to get enough
913
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:23,260
of learning about them,
and staring at them,
914
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:25,500
and studying their every move.
915
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:33,510
VICTORIA:
All these people
swarming around me...
916
00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:36,610
I kind of felt humiliated.
917
00:48:39,310 --> 00:48:41,420
VICTORIA:
It was like the walk of shame.
918
00:48:44,220 --> 00:48:45,320
Excuse me.
919
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:54,100
MACEDONIO:
This is Victoria on the train.
920
00:48:54,130 --> 00:48:55,230
When is that picture?
921
00:48:55,260 --> 00:48:58,170
That was on May 25th
of this year.
922
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,300
There's an undercover agent
that was part of the task force
923
00:49:01,340 --> 00:49:04,170
that was trailing Victoria.
924
00:49:04,210 --> 00:49:07,310
To find out today that
she was followed on the train,
925
00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:08,710
and her DNA was taken.
926
00:49:08,740 --> 00:49:12,180
You know, that was extremely
emotional for her as well.
927
00:49:12,210 --> 00:49:14,750
MURPHY:
The bombshell that came out
with the indictment
928
00:49:14,780 --> 00:49:16,690
for the Maureen Brainard-Barnes
murder
929
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:21,660
was that hair that was found on
another victim, Amber Costello,
930
00:49:21,690 --> 00:49:24,430
was tied to
Rex Heuerrmann's daughter.
931
00:49:24,460 --> 00:49:26,800
And what the investigators
had done
932
00:49:26,830 --> 00:49:29,200
was follow her home
one day from work
933
00:49:29,230 --> 00:49:31,130
on the Long Island Railroad.
934
00:49:31,170 --> 00:49:34,400
And she was drinking
from a can, an energy drink.
935
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,570
When she got off the train
in Massapequa,
936
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,670
she threw the can in the trash,
937
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:40,780
and the investigators
retrieved it,
938
00:49:40,810 --> 00:49:43,210
had it tested
in a forensic lab,
939
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:45,350
and there was
a pretty strong match
940
00:49:45,380 --> 00:49:48,780
to a hair that was found
on Amber Costello's body.
941
00:49:50,850 --> 00:49:53,490
You drink that Monster Java?
Is that what you drink?
942
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,360
I've drank it before.
Yeah.
943
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:57,630
How does that
make you feel
944
00:49:57,660 --> 00:49:59,590
seeing that you had
someone surveilling you?
945
00:50:00,860 --> 00:50:02,760
VICTORIA:
I went from being
a normal person,
946
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,800
contributing
to society every day,
947
00:50:04,830 --> 00:50:11,140
to this laughingstock all over
the internet, and TV, and news.
948
00:50:11,170 --> 00:50:12,140
Victoria.
949
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:13,680
[SHUTTERS CLICKING]
950
00:50:13,710 --> 00:50:16,410
When I was in the middle
of the media frenzy, I'll admit,
951
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,210
I probably felt like,
humiliated.
952
00:50:18,250 --> 00:50:20,680
I know I don't have anything
to be shameful about,
953
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:23,620
but that's what it felt like,
just the bombarding,
954
00:50:23,650 --> 00:50:26,590
people's disappointed faces.
955
00:50:26,620 --> 00:50:28,460
I didn't really feel
like a person.
956
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,130
They ask questions,
why didn't I see anything?
957
00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:39,700
How did I not know?
958
00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:44,410
I was 10, 12, and 13 years old
when these girls were murdered.
959
00:50:46,570 --> 00:50:49,410
I was in school,
which, you know,
960
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,210
which takes up
a good chunk of the day.
961
00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:52,310
And then I was home,
962
00:50:52,350 --> 00:50:54,820
or doing
after school activities.
963
00:50:54,850 --> 00:50:58,450
And that's exactly how
I wouldn't know anything.
964
00:51:00,190 --> 00:51:02,420
And now that I actually
look back on my childhood,
965
00:51:02,460 --> 00:51:04,560
I do find it
very hard to believe
966
00:51:04,590 --> 00:51:06,630
my dad actually
really did all this.
967
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:14,900
VICTORIA:
Like I said, I saw him
968
00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:19,170
at regular times every day,
morning, night,
969
00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:22,180
and the vacations
that he did join us on.
970
00:51:22,210 --> 00:51:24,380
But, like, like I said,
at the same time,
971
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:26,250
there was a lot of hours
out of the day
972
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,750
that I also was not home,
973
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:32,190
including vacations
that he did not join us on.
974
00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:34,360
And that's exactly
what I mean by on the fence.
975
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:36,590
There's, like...
976
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:39,660
Well, you know, like he was
definitely very much around,
977
00:51:39,690 --> 00:51:41,430
you know,
90 percent of the time.
978
00:51:41,460 --> 00:51:44,630
But then there's that other 10
percent of the time he was not.
979
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:50,740
I feel like I can't know
whether or not he did or didn't
980
00:51:50,770 --> 00:51:52,710
because I was not around for it.
981
00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:54,740
I was too young to understand.
982
00:51:57,580 --> 00:52:02,480
LINKLETTER:
Rex Heuermann ruined more than
just the lives of the victims
983
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,390
and their families
whose lives he stole.
984
00:52:05,420 --> 00:52:07,160
He ruined
his own family's lives.
985
00:52:08,820 --> 00:52:12,530
Is it right that they're under
the microscope in this way that
986
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,560
everybody's talking about them?
987
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,230
Is it fair? No, it's not fair.
988
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:19,500
But they're caught in this web.
989
00:52:19,530 --> 00:52:21,800
They're caught
in Rex Heuermann's wake.
990
00:52:23,540 --> 00:52:25,640
When you look
at all this stuff together,
991
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:29,980
the DNA, the hairs,
the cell phone records,
992
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:31,510
the searches,
993
00:52:31,550 --> 00:52:33,820
it's like
an avalanche of evidence.
994
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:38,250
And we were about
to learn that.
995
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After Rex Heuermann's arrest,
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00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:42,690
law enforcement seized
more than 400 devices,
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00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:44,730
phones, hard drives, laptops
998
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,930
from his home,
and from his office.
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00:52:48,830 --> 00:52:52,470
And it was absolutely insane
to read about what they found
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00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:54,500
on his electronic devices.
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00:53:04,510 --> 00:53:06,980
TIERNEY:
We recovered
numerous electronic devices
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00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:11,590
from the defendant, including
laptops, smartphones, tablets.
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00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:13,990
REPORTER:
No doubt there are
digital forensic investigators
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00:53:14,020 --> 00:53:16,390
scrutinizing
Heuermann's e-mails,
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00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:18,730
computers, and burner phones.
1006
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,530
MURPHY:
After Rex Heuermann's arrest,
1007
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,830
law enforcement seized more
than 400 electronic devices,
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00:53:23,870 --> 00:53:26,030
phones, hard drives, laptops
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00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:28,270
from his home,
and from his office.
1010
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:32,970
Investigators discovered videos
and stills dating back to 1994.
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00:53:35,980 --> 00:53:37,850
FITZGIBBON:
There's just, like,
reams and reams
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00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,980
of, like,
really sick pornography
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00:53:40,020 --> 00:53:42,380
that are on Rex's,
you know, devices.
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00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,320
This is really over the top,
grotesque porn.
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00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,820
MURPHY:
They're seeing vile,
torture pornography,
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00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:52,560
child pornography,
breast mutilation,
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00:53:52,590 --> 00:53:54,300
vaginal mutilation.
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00:53:54,330 --> 00:53:58,400
Sexualization
of decapitated women.
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00:53:58,430 --> 00:54:00,470
It was insane.
1020
00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:03,570
It's just stomach-turning
to think about it.
1021
00:54:03,610 --> 00:54:07,510
But it wasn't just what
they found that was alarming.
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00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:09,010
It's what they couldn't find.
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00:54:10,350 --> 00:54:12,780
Heuermann
had searches for wiping
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00:54:12,810 --> 00:54:15,850
and erasing data
from his computers.
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00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,720
MURPHY:
Investigators
discovered evidence
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00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:20,020
that he's actually buying
specific software
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00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:22,890
that can shred the files
in his computer.
1028
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:28,100
So they're going to have
to find a way
1029
00:54:28,130 --> 00:54:30,330
to look into stuff
that's been deleted.
1030
00:54:30,370 --> 00:54:33,370
And they need
professional forensic extractors
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00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,540
to get to that.
1032
00:54:35,570 --> 00:54:36,910
Eight months after the arrest,
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00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:41,010
investigators were able
to forensically extract
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00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,580
this Microsoft Word
planning document
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00:54:43,610 --> 00:54:44,980
that essentially changed
the course
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00:54:45,010 --> 00:54:46,680
of this entire investigation.
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00:54:47,780 --> 00:54:52,120
It was called HK 2002 to 2004.
1038
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:55,890
The prosecutors believe "HK"
stands for "Hunt Kill,"
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00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,890
and it's basically a blueprint
for a serial killer.
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00:54:59,930 --> 00:55:03,030
REPORTER 1:
Just a short time ago,
Police on Long Island announced
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00:55:03,060 --> 00:55:06,770
new developments in the
serial killer investigation.
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00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,540
REPORTER 2:
Police are now out searching
the woods around Manorville.
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00:55:10,570 --> 00:55:12,870
MURPHY:
The document
starts with the preparation,
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00:55:12,910 --> 00:55:14,440
and that involves making sure
1045
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,640
that your tires
are in good order,
1046
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,610
and that you've surveilled
the areas
1047
00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:21,650
where you will be traveling
to pick up your victim.
1048
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,520
REPORTER:
Search is taking place
roughly 45 miles
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00:55:24,550 --> 00:55:27,460
from the notorious
Gilgo Beach site.
1050
00:55:27,490 --> 00:55:28,720
And to dispose of your victim,
1051
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:29,920
to make sure there
aren't too many
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00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,830
surveillance cameras around.
1053
00:55:31,860 --> 00:55:34,160
REPORTER:
Same location where the remains
of two murder victims
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00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,930
were found
more than 20 years ago.
1055
00:55:36,970 --> 00:55:39,700
Make sure you decapitate
the victim.
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00:55:39,730 --> 00:55:41,800
Makes it harder
to identify them.
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00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,940
REPORTER:
The search has widened
to the hamlet of North Sea
1058
00:55:44,970 --> 00:55:48,710
where 28 year-old Sandra
Costilla's body was discovered
1059
00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:52,110
back in November of 1993.
1060
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:54,850
If they have tattoos, you have
to try to scrape them off.
1061
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,420
REPORTER:
Could police be zeroing in
on new evidence in her murder?
1062
00:55:59,450 --> 00:56:01,990
MURPHY:
He's talking about
potential problems.
1063
00:56:02,020 --> 00:56:05,630
Bloodstains. Hair left behind.
1064
00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:07,030
We are following
some breaking news
1065
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:09,160
out of Long Island, New York
this morning.
1066
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,670
Right now, police are searching
the home of Rex Heuermann.
1067
00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:14,200
And how does he counteract that?
1068
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:17,010
Well, he has to prepare
and get supplies.
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00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:23,710
REPORTER:
Police are back
at the Heuermann bungalow.
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00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:26,550
Authorities have not commented
on why they have returned
1071
00:56:26,580 --> 00:56:29,580
after nearly a year
since Rex's arrest.
1072
00:56:29,620 --> 00:56:32,550
FITZGIBBON:
We find out that there's
a second search going on
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00:56:32,590 --> 00:56:34,620
at Rex Heuermann's house,
on the heels
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00:56:34,660 --> 00:56:38,460
of police searching
in Manorville and Southampton.
1075
00:56:38,490 --> 00:56:41,860
You don't get a second
search warrant just on a whim.
1076
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:43,830
So something led them
back to the house,
1077
00:56:43,870 --> 00:56:44,970
and that's significant.
1078
00:56:46,070 --> 00:56:47,800
MURPHY:
So he's getting drop cloths.
1079
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,840
He's getting booties
for his shoes.
1080
00:56:49,870 --> 00:56:51,210
He's getting hair nets
1081
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:54,110
so that his hair
won't get on the victim,
1082
00:56:54,140 --> 00:56:55,580
or so he hopes.
1083
00:56:55,610 --> 00:56:57,610
What more could
they be looking for?
1084
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:59,680
Could it have something to do
with evidence
1085
00:56:59,710 --> 00:57:01,550
that was found in Manorville?
1086
00:57:01,580 --> 00:57:05,590
MURPHY:
So this is elaborate
preparation that's going on.
1087
00:57:05,620 --> 00:57:06,920
This person, this killer,
1088
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,260
is trying to think
of every potential thing
1089
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:12,860
that could go wrong,
that would help identify him.
1090
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:14,060
And then the news breaks.
1091
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:15,600
Now, to breaking news
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00:57:15,630 --> 00:57:17,770
in the Gilgo Beach
murders investigation.
1093
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,900
Tonight, Rex Heuermann
is facing new murder charges.
1094
00:57:21,940 --> 00:57:23,840
Rex Heuermann has been charged
1095
00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:26,570
with the murders
of two more women.
1096
00:57:26,610 --> 00:57:29,540
FITZGIBBON:
Now, we're linking Rex
Heuermann to Sandra Costilla
1097
00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:31,780
who disappeared in 1993.
1098
00:57:31,810 --> 00:57:33,050
She was 28 years old.
1099
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,620
Like the other victims,
she was a sex worker.
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00:57:35,650 --> 00:57:37,250
And he's also charged
with the murder
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00:57:37,290 --> 00:57:39,720
of Jessica Taylor,
also a sex worker.
1102
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:42,790
She was 20. She made
a phone call to her mother,
1103
00:57:42,820 --> 00:57:44,230
and they chatted
for several minutes,
1104
00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:46,230
and she made plans
to go visit her mother
1105
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:48,530
in upstate New York
in Poughkeepsie,
1106
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,230
on her birthday,
several days later.
1107
00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:52,800
Rex Heuermann worked
in the very same vicinity
1108
00:57:52,830 --> 00:57:55,940
where Jessica Taylor
was known to street walk.
1109
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,110
ALGAR:
Heuermann's murders
of Costilla and Jessica Taylor
1110
00:58:02,140 --> 00:58:04,810
completely disrupted
the profile
1111
00:58:04,850 --> 00:58:06,680
that many of us
were operating with
1112
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,880
in terms of both methodology,
and timeline.
1113
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,250
FITZGIBBON:
Now we know
that Rex Heuermann has been
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00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:14,760
allegedly
killing these women
1115
00:58:14,790 --> 00:58:16,160
for nearly 30 years.
1116
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:18,990
Much, much earlier than
we ever thought he was doing.
1117
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:22,200
Secondly, Jessica Taylor's body
was dismembered.
1118
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:24,830
She was decapitated.
Her arms were removed.
1119
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:29,300
Remember, the Gilgo Four,
their bodies were found intact.
1120
00:58:29,340 --> 00:58:31,910
McGARVEY:
Suddenly,
everything we thought we knew
1121
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:35,140
up until this point
completely changed.
1122
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:39,250
REPORTER:
As the crime scene expands,
so does the mystery.
1123
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,350
So all of a sudden,
anything is possible.
1124
00:58:41,380 --> 00:58:43,120
It means that
he could be responsible
1125
00:58:43,150 --> 00:58:45,990
for dozens and dozens
of murders.
1126
00:58:46,020 --> 00:58:48,160
Our investigation
now has broadened.
1127
00:58:48,190 --> 00:58:51,690
Now, the entire case mushroomed.
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