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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Translated By The_Proffs 2 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Translated By The_Proffs 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,570 [***] 4 00:00:15,780 --> 00:00:18,050 [DOG BARKING] 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,220 July 13th, 2023, um... 6 00:00:24,250 --> 00:00:26,520 started out like a normal day. 7 00:00:26,550 --> 00:00:29,220 ANNOUNCER [OVER PA]: The next station is Penn Station. 8 00:00:29,260 --> 00:00:31,360 I was at my job, working for my dad. 9 00:00:31,390 --> 00:00:35,530 He was a very well-known architect in Manhattan. 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,170 The last thing I said to my father before I left was: 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,140 "I'll see you at home." 12 00:00:41,170 --> 00:00:43,440 [TRAFFIC BUSTLING] 13 00:00:46,340 --> 00:00:51,780 It was 11:00 at night, and I was waiting for my husband, 14 00:00:51,810 --> 00:00:54,580 but he didn't come home. 15 00:00:54,620 --> 00:00:56,690 [SIRENS WAILING] And then suddenly, 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,320 I see them come on the front porch, 17 00:00:59,350 --> 00:01:00,860 and I just hear banging. 18 00:01:00,890 --> 00:01:02,660 "FBI open up!" 19 00:01:03,630 --> 00:01:04,590 "Okay, Victoria. 20 00:01:04,630 --> 00:01:07,430 This isn't happening. This isn't happening." 21 00:01:07,460 --> 00:01:11,300 ASA: They push their way in, and they asked me: 22 00:01:11,330 --> 00:01:13,570 "Do you know why we're here?" 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,740 And I said, "My husband's guns?" 24 00:01:17,770 --> 00:01:20,910 VICTORIA: I knew my dad had stuff with the IRS, 25 00:01:20,940 --> 00:01:24,410 Department of Labor, but FBI? 26 00:01:24,450 --> 00:01:27,580 ASA: And the woman investigator says to me: 27 00:01:27,620 --> 00:01:32,520 "Have you heard about the murders on Gilgo Beach?" 28 00:01:32,550 --> 00:01:35,360 And I said, "I've heard of them, 29 00:01:35,390 --> 00:01:37,390 but I don't know anything." 30 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:41,560 And she said, "Your husband, he knows all about it." 31 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,730 VICTORIA: And they said, "We have evidence 32 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:46,530 your dad murdered all these women. 33 00:01:46,570 --> 00:01:49,440 And your home is now a crime scene." 34 00:01:49,470 --> 00:01:52,440 Never would have imagined I'd be hearing that in my life. 35 00:01:52,470 --> 00:01:54,740 They're telling me that my husband 36 00:01:54,780 --> 00:01:59,480 is alleged to be some horrific serial killer. 37 00:01:59,510 --> 00:02:02,420 VICTORIA: They started asking about if my dad 38 00:02:02,450 --> 00:02:06,760 was ever sexually advancive towards me, or touched me, 39 00:02:06,790 --> 00:02:08,660 and I said, "No, no, 40 00:02:08,690 --> 00:02:11,260 I cannot really recall anytime he was like that." 41 00:02:11,290 --> 00:02:14,660 ASA: And then the investigator says to me that my husband 42 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:18,700 will be charged in the morning with murdering three women. 43 00:02:19,830 --> 00:02:22,470 And I told her she's crazy. 44 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:23,440 No. 45 00:02:23,940 --> 00:02:24,910 No. 46 00:02:24,940 --> 00:02:26,810 [SCOFFING] No! 47 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,680 No freaking way is this man going out, 48 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:32,650 soliciting sex from a sex worker, 49 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,180 killing them and dumping them on Gilgo Beach. 50 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:39,450 [***] 51 00:03:18,790 --> 00:03:22,500 On the morning of July 14th, 2023, 52 00:03:22,530 --> 00:03:24,770 I was in, I think, the first row. 53 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,740 And I did notice that a number of the families 54 00:03:27,770 --> 00:03:29,340 came into the courtroom. 55 00:03:29,370 --> 00:03:30,870 You could just feel the tension in the air 56 00:03:30,910 --> 00:03:34,440 and the anticipation waiting for this guy to come out. 57 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,440 Rex, did you do it? 58 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,550 REPORTER: Rex Heuermann, 59, 59 00:03:38,580 --> 00:03:40,620 charged with three murders today. 60 00:03:40,650 --> 00:03:44,750 Melissa Barthelemy, Amber Lynn Costello, 61 00:03:44,790 --> 00:03:46,760 and Megan Waterman. 62 00:03:46,790 --> 00:03:49,460 All sex workers, all in their 20s. 63 00:03:50,660 --> 00:03:52,660 HARRISON: He's a demon, he's an animal. 64 00:03:52,690 --> 00:03:55,760 He's somebody that should not be around other human beings. 65 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,600 MURPHY: I remember he wasn't reacting to the charges against him. 66 00:03:59,630 --> 00:04:03,440 It almost seemed like there was a deadness in his eyes. 67 00:04:03,470 --> 00:04:05,770 His form, his face, his expression. 68 00:04:05,810 --> 00:04:08,580 I remember thinking, this man is six-foot-four, 69 00:04:08,610 --> 00:04:11,080 and Melissa Barthelemy was four-foot-nine. 70 00:04:11,110 --> 00:04:13,650 That disparity in size. 71 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,890 The only word that really came to mind was monstrous. 72 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,950 REPORTER: He's behind bars without bail 73 00:04:18,990 --> 00:04:21,460 due to the nature of the accusations. 74 00:04:21,490 --> 00:04:24,660 [***] 75 00:04:24,690 --> 00:04:26,800 TOULON: When he first came into our custody, 76 00:04:26,830 --> 00:04:28,900 and I went and I introduced myself... 77 00:04:30,430 --> 00:04:33,300 Rex had a very smug look of importance. 78 00:04:34,470 --> 00:04:37,340 One of the things I noticed was there was no despair. 79 00:04:37,370 --> 00:04:38,710 There was no show of emotions. 80 00:04:39,940 --> 00:04:42,940 I've never seen someone who's very stoic, 81 00:04:42,980 --> 00:04:45,680 very quiet in their demeanor. 82 00:04:45,710 --> 00:04:49,380 SASSE: All of the family members of these victims, 83 00:04:49,420 --> 00:04:51,550 we never thought we'd never see this day. 84 00:04:51,590 --> 00:04:55,620 So I'm rejoicing, I know they are too. 85 00:04:57,130 --> 00:04:59,930 TOULON: The one thing I can say to all the families is, 86 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:02,860 first, that I apologize for the Law Enforcement community 87 00:05:02,900 --> 00:05:06,130 because it took so long for us to identify a suspect 88 00:05:06,170 --> 00:05:07,670 and bring him into custody. 89 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,870 It's bittersweet because I don't necessarily 90 00:05:11,910 --> 00:05:14,610 like having that closure, but it is such a relief 91 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,110 that we do know who it was. 92 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:19,980 HARRISON: Even with this arrest, we're not done. 93 00:05:20,020 --> 00:05:22,120 There's more work to do in this investigation 94 00:05:22,150 --> 00:05:23,650 regarding the other victims. 95 00:05:23,690 --> 00:05:25,720 This case is not over, it's only beginning. 96 00:05:25,750 --> 00:05:28,520 We're continuing to execute search warrants, 97 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,390 and we anticipate getting more evidence. 98 00:05:32,830 --> 00:05:34,630 MURPHY: It was sort of an adrenaline rush 99 00:05:34,660 --> 00:05:38,100 after having covered this case for nearly 13 years. 100 00:05:38,130 --> 00:05:39,870 To finally realize, hey, 101 00:05:39,900 --> 00:05:42,770 Massapequa was significant all along. 102 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,640 Those first reports about cell phone pings 103 00:05:45,670 --> 00:05:47,740 coming near Penn Station. 104 00:05:47,780 --> 00:05:49,880 It made sense because this guy, 105 00:05:49,910 --> 00:05:52,080 he has an office in midtown Manhattan. 106 00:05:52,110 --> 00:05:53,820 Worked right near Penn Station, 107 00:05:53,850 --> 00:05:57,020 and he took the train every day back to Massapequa. 108 00:05:57,050 --> 00:06:00,390 ANNOUNCER [OVER PA]: The next station is Massapequa Park. 109 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,830 So now we wanna find out who knew him best. 110 00:06:03,860 --> 00:06:06,530 We wanna find out from his neighbors, what was he like? 111 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,160 We wanna find out from his coworkers, 112 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,500 were there any clues? 113 00:06:09,530 --> 00:06:11,500 [***] 114 00:06:11,530 --> 00:06:15,870 McGARVEY: In hindsight, is it possible that no friends, no family 115 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:19,910 ever suspected that something was off about this guy? 116 00:06:19,940 --> 00:06:24,450 Did he fit the stereotype of a serial killer? 117 00:06:25,810 --> 00:06:30,520 Or was there this other side of Heuermann? 118 00:06:34,090 --> 00:06:37,690 REPORTER: Nassau County police cars and trucks lined the street 119 00:06:37,730 --> 00:06:41,130 as investigators search inside Rex Heuermann's home. 120 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:42,730 RYDER: I received a phone call. 121 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,230 We moved our people into position, 122 00:06:44,270 --> 00:06:47,000 so we were the first ones with Suffolk 123 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,800 as they executed the search warrant 124 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:50,570 with their crime scene van, 125 00:06:50,610 --> 00:06:52,810 and their command post, and their detectives. 126 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:55,640 REPORTER: There's been a steady stream of investigators 127 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,850 removing evidence from the house. 128 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,610 ASA: The night of the raid, 129 00:06:59,650 --> 00:07:03,690 they drove us over to the hotel and they got us a room. 130 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,090 They have a cop 24 hours outside 131 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,860 keeping an eye on me. 132 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,230 I watched the news. 133 00:07:14,260 --> 00:07:18,830 They were taking bags and bags of stuff out of the house. 134 00:07:18,870 --> 00:07:20,970 REPORTER: One of the more unsettling pieces of evidence 135 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,940 is a child-sized doll kept inside a glass case. 136 00:07:23,970 --> 00:07:27,940 ASA: Are they testing the doll for DNA? 137 00:07:27,980 --> 00:07:29,880 My head, it's spinning. 138 00:07:29,910 --> 00:07:32,850 There's no telling now what else they'll recover. 139 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:33,980 Spinning. 140 00:07:34,020 --> 00:07:35,280 Spinning. 141 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:36,520 RYDER: We're gonna make sure 142 00:07:36,550 --> 00:07:37,790 that we're not gonna turn this 143 00:07:37,820 --> 00:07:39,020 into some kind of sideshow. 144 00:07:43,260 --> 00:07:45,930 [***] 145 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,230 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 146 00:07:48,260 --> 00:07:51,570 REPORTER: The family of the accused Long Island serial killer 147 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,270 made an emotional return to their home 148 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:57,140 after investigators spent days there tearing apart the deck, 149 00:07:57,170 --> 00:08:01,140 excavating the yard, doing a deep search for any evidence. 150 00:08:01,180 --> 00:08:06,650 After 13 days of cutting their property to pieces, 151 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,680 the family just moves back in. 152 00:08:10,050 --> 00:08:13,020 REPORTER 1: We know that it's-- 153 00:08:14,890 --> 00:08:16,790 REPORTER 1: Are you staying in the house? 154 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,700 REPORTER 2: So we're not blaming you for anything. 155 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,600 REPORTER 1: We feel very bad, and we wanted-- 156 00:08:26,630 --> 00:08:27,740 SHEEHAN: It was bizarre. 157 00:08:27,770 --> 00:08:29,770 It was like they were in a fishbowl 158 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,010 and we were watching them. 159 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,170 REPORTER: Rex Heuermann's wife 160 00:08:32,210 --> 00:08:33,740 and the suspect's adult stepson 161 00:08:33,780 --> 00:08:36,040 was seen crying on the front porch. 162 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,310 A woman whose husband is charged with being 163 00:08:38,350 --> 00:08:40,780 one of the worst killers in decades. 164 00:08:41,950 --> 00:08:44,650 She really is a mysterious figure. 165 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:45,850 We don't know what role she's playing 166 00:08:45,890 --> 00:08:47,220 or how much she knew or didn't. 167 00:08:47,260 --> 00:08:49,320 We also didn't know what kind of world 168 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,790 they'd built in that house. 169 00:08:51,830 --> 00:08:54,700 OFFICIAL: The house could be categorized as cluttered. 170 00:08:54,730 --> 00:08:58,770 There was a lot of boxes and it was a very cluttered, 171 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,100 I would say, environment. 172 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:03,070 FITZGIBBON: Nobody's gotten in that house. 173 00:09:03,100 --> 00:09:06,610 There's like an army of media outside. 174 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,740 But no one knows what life is like 175 00:09:08,780 --> 00:09:10,950 inside the Heuermann house. 176 00:09:10,980 --> 00:09:12,910 WOMAN 1: This is crazy. 177 00:09:12,950 --> 00:09:14,850 WOMAN 2: They aren't leaving, are they? 178 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,150 REPORTER: Forensic teams in protective suits and cadaver dogs 179 00:09:18,190 --> 00:09:21,120 were brought in during the 12-day search. 180 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,990 We were looking for your tangible items of evidence, 181 00:09:24,030 --> 00:09:27,030 as well as trace evidence, including blood and DNA, 182 00:09:27,060 --> 00:09:29,330 and, uh, hair fibers and the like. 183 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,970 [CONTINUES OVER TV] Now, it goes from here to trace section 184 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,840 and then to, if appropriate, the DNA section. 185 00:09:34,870 --> 00:09:36,770 So that's a-- That's a process. 186 00:09:41,210 --> 00:09:45,210 We haven't ruled in or ruled out anything with regard to that. 187 00:09:46,820 --> 00:09:49,180 VICTORIA: When we got back home 188 00:09:49,220 --> 00:09:50,790 after they raided it, 189 00:09:50,820 --> 00:09:53,120 it was not recognizable. 190 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,990 No beds, no clothes. 191 00:09:57,030 --> 00:09:59,390 Our bathroom sink was broken. 192 00:09:59,430 --> 00:10:03,400 They should have actually deemed our house uninhabitable. 193 00:10:03,430 --> 00:10:04,830 ASA: Oh, look at this. 194 00:10:05,970 --> 00:10:11,170 It was as if they were trying to leave us for dead. 195 00:10:11,210 --> 00:10:12,240 They broke that. 196 00:10:12,270 --> 00:10:13,740 They pulled this out of the wall. 197 00:10:13,780 --> 00:10:15,080 They pulled it out. Yeah. 198 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:17,080 That's what that hole in the wall was from. 199 00:10:17,110 --> 00:10:20,150 ASA: What is in here? CHRIS: Garbage. Nothing. 200 00:10:20,180 --> 00:10:23,850 Well, something was in here because it's not in here now. 201 00:10:25,090 --> 00:10:26,760 ASA: The kids, they were 202 00:10:26,790 --> 00:10:28,760 crying themselves to sleep 203 00:10:28,790 --> 00:10:31,730 before we actually got into the house. 204 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,400 We were all doing it. 205 00:10:33,430 --> 00:10:36,770 Fear, anxiety, uh, guilt. 206 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,200 All of those emotions are all going 207 00:10:39,230 --> 00:10:40,400 like a roller coaster. 208 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,940 Rolling. Rolling and rolling and rolling. 209 00:10:43,870 --> 00:10:46,470 But we needed to come home. 210 00:10:46,510 --> 00:10:51,350 They have a lot of sentimental stuff in the house. 211 00:10:51,380 --> 00:10:54,950 And I still feel Rex is here. 212 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,960 BROWN: They went through that house with a fine-tooth comb. 213 00:11:00,990 --> 00:11:04,260 They dug up the backyard. They went into walls. 214 00:11:04,290 --> 00:11:05,830 They went into pipes. 215 00:11:05,860 --> 00:11:08,860 They went under the cement foundation. 216 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:11,730 And they have yet to show anyone 217 00:11:11,770 --> 00:11:14,070 any evidence in that home. 218 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:17,740 [***] 219 00:11:19,210 --> 00:11:20,810 CHRIS: When I first came home, 220 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,010 I couldn't even get in and out of that garage. 221 00:11:24,050 --> 00:11:26,950 'Cause everything was all stacked up high as your head. 222 00:11:26,980 --> 00:11:29,420 They took a lot of stuff from this garage. 223 00:11:29,450 --> 00:11:34,090 He had his screwdrivers against the wall over here. 224 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,990 We had a big-- 225 00:11:36,020 --> 00:11:38,760 Very heavy band saw right here. 226 00:11:38,790 --> 00:11:41,960 The radial arm saw was right here. 227 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,970 And then he had a table saw underneath here. 228 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,470 I was always afraid of the table saw 229 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:50,770 because it's very dangerous. 230 00:11:56,950 --> 00:11:59,880 I hate this. I know. 231 00:12:02,450 --> 00:12:04,020 [SOBBING] I know. 232 00:12:05,150 --> 00:12:06,090 I know. 233 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:08,890 But I'm here. 234 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,830 And we can do this together, okay? 235 00:12:11,860 --> 00:12:13,260 All right? 236 00:12:13,290 --> 00:12:14,400 All right. Come on. 237 00:12:14,430 --> 00:12:16,160 [SNIFFLES] 238 00:12:19,370 --> 00:12:25,940 SHEEHAN: After the arrest, they hand out this movie script indictment. 239 00:12:25,970 --> 00:12:28,180 They wrote this thing like a thriller 240 00:12:28,210 --> 00:12:31,380 and put all the best parts right up front. 241 00:12:31,410 --> 00:12:33,420 Sadistic and twisted. 242 00:12:33,450 --> 00:12:37,390 Pornographic, Google searches, burner phones, 243 00:12:37,420 --> 00:12:40,990 records of taunting victims' family members. 244 00:12:41,020 --> 00:12:43,020 It was upsetting, but it was tabloid gold. 245 00:12:43,060 --> 00:12:46,560 ALGAR: You couldn't get your hands on that document fast enough. 246 00:12:46,590 --> 00:12:52,300 And as I read through it, I-I was stunned on many levels. 247 00:12:53,230 --> 00:12:56,540 One: on the level of detail, 248 00:12:56,570 --> 00:13:01,540 and the thoroughness of the investigation. 249 00:13:01,580 --> 00:13:04,180 And what quickly became apparent 250 00:13:04,210 --> 00:13:08,450 was a very solid case against him. 251 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,320 I was also, like many people, 252 00:13:11,350 --> 00:13:15,360 sickened by some of the searches that he had made. 253 00:13:15,390 --> 00:13:19,160 The worst part of the bail application 254 00:13:19,190 --> 00:13:22,960 was seeing the verbatim internet searches. 255 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,170 OFFICIAL: There was a lot of torture porn 256 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,240 and what you would consider depictions of women 257 00:13:29,270 --> 00:13:32,340 being abused, being raped and being killed. 258 00:13:32,370 --> 00:13:36,480 He was looking for really horrific types of pornography. 259 00:13:36,510 --> 00:13:39,480 Child porn, torture of girls, 260 00:13:39,510 --> 00:13:42,220 sobbing girls, rapes of girls. 261 00:13:42,250 --> 00:13:45,090 There were searches that pertained to children. 262 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,620 Children as young as 10. 263 00:13:46,650 --> 00:13:49,020 My jaw is dropping. 264 00:13:49,060 --> 00:13:51,260 How sadistic is this person? 265 00:13:52,390 --> 00:13:54,900 [PHONE RINGING] 266 00:13:54,930 --> 00:13:57,370 OPERATOR: To accept this free call, press one. 267 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,240 To refuse this free call, press two. 268 00:14:00,270 --> 00:14:01,370 [BEEPS] 269 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,110 [***] 270 00:14:07,580 --> 00:14:09,010 How are you doing? 271 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,160 REPORTER 1: The suspected serial killer, Rex Heurmann, 272 00:14:25,190 --> 00:14:27,130 remains in jail on murder charges. 273 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,030 REPORTER 2: He's been held at the Suffolk County Jail in Riverhead 274 00:14:30,070 --> 00:14:31,570 since he was arrested. 275 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,640 [***] 276 00:14:34,670 --> 00:14:37,940 [PHONE RINGING] 277 00:14:37,970 --> 00:14:39,110 ASA: Hello. 278 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:42,980 How are you doing? 279 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,350 I'm doing great. 280 00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:52,550 Now that I've got you on the phone. 281 00:14:59,090 --> 00:15:03,060 All right. What did you have for dinner? 282 00:15:05,530 --> 00:15:07,270 Oh, okay. 283 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:13,440 Uh-huh. 284 00:15:21,780 --> 00:15:23,450 Yes, you are. 285 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,290 Okay. 286 00:15:33,630 --> 00:15:34,760 Yes. 287 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,100 Bye. 288 00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:39,500 ASA: I'm talking to him all the time. 289 00:15:39,530 --> 00:15:42,000 But he only has a certain amount of time 290 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,010 to be able to make calls, 291 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,710 so I can't get too comfortable 292 00:15:45,740 --> 00:15:49,080 talking to him about things that are gonna hurt him. 293 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,490 [SIGHS] 294 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,530 Um... 295 00:16:10,130 --> 00:16:12,230 Telling him that I love him. 296 00:16:15,570 --> 00:16:17,070 That will hurt him. 297 00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:19,670 [***] 298 00:16:19,710 --> 00:16:24,050 The two of us were married for 27 years. 299 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,350 We were a hundred percent part of each other's lives. 300 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,050 Does everybody really believe 301 00:16:31,090 --> 00:16:32,320 everything they hear? 302 00:16:32,350 --> 00:16:33,620 HARRISON: Rex Heuermann is a demon. 303 00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:35,420 REPORTER: Charged as a serial killer. 304 00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:39,530 Do you really believe everything that's being said? 305 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,500 REPORTER 1: This man is a sexual sadist. 306 00:16:41,530 --> 00:16:44,270 REPORTER 2: He enjoyed torturing his victims. 307 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:45,470 Well, we didn't buy it. 308 00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:52,770 REPORTER [OVER TV]: Rex Heuermann has pled not guilty, 309 00:16:52,810 --> 00:16:56,310 and insists through his lawyer that he's innocent. 310 00:16:56,340 --> 00:16:58,480 The only thing I can tell you that he did say 311 00:16:58,510 --> 00:17:01,650 as he was in tears, was, "I didn't do this." 312 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,190 REPORTER [OVER TV]: He is an unlikely suspect. 313 00:17:04,220 --> 00:17:05,450 A husband, father of two, 314 00:17:05,490 --> 00:17:06,760 an architect working in Manhattan 315 00:17:06,790 --> 00:17:10,090 dealing with arcane building codes. 316 00:17:10,130 --> 00:17:11,660 How you doing? Good to see you. 317 00:17:11,690 --> 00:17:14,200 REPORTER: In February 2022, he was interviewed 318 00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:17,100 about his job for a YouTube show. 319 00:17:17,130 --> 00:17:18,730 I'm Rex Heuermann. I'm an architect. 320 00:17:18,770 --> 00:17:21,500 I'm an architectural consultant. I'm a troubleshooter. 321 00:17:21,540 --> 00:17:24,210 Born and raised on Long Island. INTERVIEWER: Okay. 322 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,240 I met Rex when I was 18 years old. 323 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,250 We went to different high schools. 324 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,380 I went to Farmingdale. 325 00:17:31,410 --> 00:17:32,610 He went to Massapequa. 326 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:37,250 I've been working in Manhattan since 1987. 327 00:17:37,290 --> 00:17:40,660 VICTORIA: Bonjour TV did an interview with him. 328 00:17:40,690 --> 00:17:45,360 I was primarily a receptionist in my dad's office, 329 00:17:45,390 --> 00:17:48,830 and I was there listening to his whole story. 330 00:17:48,860 --> 00:17:50,730 INTERVIEWER: 331 00:17:53,170 --> 00:17:55,170 REX: That's an interesting question. 332 00:17:56,170 --> 00:17:57,470 I have one tool 333 00:17:57,510 --> 00:18:00,210 that's pretty much used in almost every job, 334 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,480 and it's actually a cabinetmaker's hammer. 335 00:18:02,510 --> 00:18:06,310 It is persuasive enough... [LAUGHING] 336 00:18:06,350 --> 00:18:08,350 ...when I need to persuade something. 337 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:13,560 Sometimes I have to be the heavy framing hammer. 338 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,360 Other times, I'm the lightweight hammer 339 00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:21,300 just to nudge things along. [LAUGHING] 340 00:18:21,330 --> 00:18:23,160 [TRAFFIC BUSTLING] 341 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,530 VICTORIA: Starting when I was in college... 342 00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:29,270 he got some really big jobs. 343 00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:32,540 Then he was very busy for a couple of years. 344 00:18:33,540 --> 00:18:35,380 And actually, I was honestly 345 00:18:35,410 --> 00:18:37,350 really inspired by my dad. 346 00:18:37,380 --> 00:18:39,850 I looked up to him. 347 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,180 One. Two. Three. 348 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:42,750 Can you smile? That is. 349 00:18:42,780 --> 00:18:44,450 [LAUGHING] 350 00:18:44,490 --> 00:18:47,720 I felt like, damn, I have some really big shoes to fill. 351 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,760 [CHUCKLES] Yeah. 352 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,600 ALGAR: When you think that he committed these acts 353 00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:56,870 while he was still seeing clients 354 00:18:56,900 --> 00:18:59,200 at his architecture firm, 355 00:18:59,230 --> 00:19:00,670 made it even more chilling 356 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:03,200 because he compartmentalized things 357 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,210 to such a degree that he was able 358 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,640 to outwardly conduct his life 359 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,880 as normal in an otherwise routine way. 360 00:19:09,910 --> 00:19:12,610 But his job was very demanding. 361 00:19:12,650 --> 00:19:15,220 And when it started to be visible 362 00:19:15,250 --> 00:19:18,250 that the stress was weighing on his mental health. 363 00:19:18,290 --> 00:19:19,650 [DOOR CLOSES] 364 00:19:20,990 --> 00:19:23,860 Sometimes he would come home frustrated. 365 00:19:26,930 --> 00:19:28,860 He needed to wind down. 366 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,670 But he never... 367 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,640 no, he never hit any of us. 368 00:19:35,670 --> 00:19:38,240 ...were injuries to her face, torso, breasts. 369 00:19:38,270 --> 00:19:39,770 VICTORIA: The worst he would do... 370 00:19:39,810 --> 00:19:41,540 OFFICIAL: The women were bound at the head, 371 00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:43,410 the chest, and later, at the legs. 372 00:19:43,450 --> 00:19:45,280 VICTORIA: ...was he would throw a plate into the sink. 373 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:47,350 REPORTER: The remains of three sex workers 374 00:19:47,380 --> 00:19:50,490 were discovered bound and concealed in burlap sacks. 375 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,290 [***] 376 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,590 That-- That's the worst. 377 00:19:56,790 --> 00:19:58,660 Listen, like, my dad was an open book, 378 00:19:58,690 --> 00:20:00,560 and a lot of people who knew my dad, 379 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,670 long term clients, people he worked with for years. 380 00:20:03,700 --> 00:20:06,570 It was no secret he hunted. It was no secret he had guns. 381 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,500 He was an open book. 382 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:16,310 JIMENEZ: I've known Rex Heuermann for 17 years. 383 00:20:16,340 --> 00:20:20,950 I met Rex at the building department in 2006. 384 00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:24,920 Big old Rex comes in, and he says, "Hi, I'm Rex." 385 00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:27,460 Really friendly, really nice. 386 00:20:27,490 --> 00:20:29,320 Because we're both architects, 387 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,430 we have a lot of things in common. 388 00:20:31,460 --> 00:20:33,660 Certain political views, 389 00:20:33,700 --> 00:20:37,300 the scotch, the cigars, the guns, all the macho stuff. 390 00:20:37,330 --> 00:20:39,000 He was easy to be friends with. 391 00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:42,300 We would go to the range and shoot rifles... 392 00:20:42,340 --> 00:20:43,770 [GUNSHOTS] 393 00:20:43,810 --> 00:20:45,540 ...pistols... 394 00:20:45,570 --> 00:20:46,880 all kinds of guns. 395 00:20:55,020 --> 00:20:58,520 The first time I went to Rex's house, 396 00:20:58,550 --> 00:21:02,460 I pull up and I look at the house. 397 00:21:02,490 --> 00:21:04,760 It's pretty unimpressive. 398 00:21:04,790 --> 00:21:06,860 It looks a little bit rundown. 399 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,860 It doesn't look like it's been redone. 400 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:11,830 And being an architect, I sort of said: 401 00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:15,000 "Oh, why is... no, I'm not gonna judge him." 402 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,910 Yeah, I knew he grew up there. 403 00:21:16,940 --> 00:21:19,040 When he got the house from his mother, 404 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:21,740 I think he wanted to keep it the way it was. 405 00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:24,650 It has to do with arrested development. 406 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,350 That's what drove him not renovating it. 407 00:21:28,380 --> 00:21:30,350 He did have a little office, 408 00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:33,490 and I think his little office was above the gun room, 409 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,390 if I think of it architecturally. 410 00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:37,360 And that was behind the garage. 411 00:21:37,390 --> 00:21:41,500 The garage was a woodshop, and he had a great woodshop. 412 00:21:41,530 --> 00:21:42,860 He was a great woodworker. 413 00:21:44,430 --> 00:21:46,530 VICTORIA: He was really good with his hands. 414 00:21:46,570 --> 00:21:49,900 My dad did build me that dollhouse, 415 00:21:49,940 --> 00:21:54,610 and it was one of the best things he ever built. 416 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,910 I love that dollhouse. 417 00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:59,010 One of the most pressing questions on the case 418 00:21:59,050 --> 00:22:01,680 after his arrest was, "Where did he do this?" 419 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,520 So the revelation that it was likely 420 00:22:04,550 --> 00:22:06,590 that he did indeed commit these crimes, 421 00:22:06,620 --> 00:22:08,660 or some of them in his own home, 422 00:22:08,690 --> 00:22:10,690 his own family home, in the basement. 423 00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:14,600 In this sort of sinister looking, 424 00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:17,970 beaten down building was shocking. 425 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,140 REPORTER 1: A total of 279 firearms were removed from the basement 426 00:22:22,170 --> 00:22:24,040 as part of the investigation. 427 00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:25,870 REPORTER 2: Investigators say most of the guns 428 00:22:25,910 --> 00:22:27,680 were stashed inside a basement vault, 429 00:22:27,710 --> 00:22:30,080 sealed behind a solid iron door. 430 00:22:30,110 --> 00:22:33,850 [***] 431 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,960 VICTORIA: A lot of media, they're calling the vault the "kill room." 432 00:22:40,990 --> 00:22:43,020 That's where he stored all his guns. 433 00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:46,090 As a kid, he showed them to me. 434 00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:48,430 And he did teach me how to use a gun 435 00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:50,570 when I was old enough. 436 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,940 But the vault was always locked. 437 00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:59,510 The only times I was in there was if he was in there. 438 00:22:59,540 --> 00:23:01,580 I know plenty of people who own firearms. 439 00:23:01,610 --> 00:23:04,110 I don't know anybody that has a gun safe 440 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:07,050 that can be considered a "vault." "A walk-in vault." 441 00:23:08,580 --> 00:23:10,550 ASA: This is the steel door. 442 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:13,520 It had a combination lock. 443 00:23:14,220 --> 00:23:15,620 It's this lever here. 444 00:23:15,660 --> 00:23:18,160 It's a very easy way to get out, 445 00:23:18,190 --> 00:23:20,760 so no one can get locked in here. 446 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:26,470 Now, this is the room 447 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:32,540 where he displayed his firearms collection. 448 00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:37,510 So the famous gun room when I sat there, 449 00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:40,080 I recall vividly that he said: 450 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,780 "In 30 years, you're the fourth person 451 00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:44,920 to ever be in this room." 452 00:23:46,150 --> 00:23:47,590 And I was like, "wow." 453 00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:50,060 And that's when he showed me his collection. 454 00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:53,230 So, he started collecting rifles 455 00:23:53,260 --> 00:23:56,770 and all kinds of guns early on when he was 18. 456 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,670 And it was an amazing collection. 457 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,770 There's nothing in this case 458 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,170 that suggests that those guns 459 00:24:05,210 --> 00:24:08,910 were utilized in the commission of any crime. 460 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:11,650 A walk-in gun vault, that's one thing, 461 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,180 but a secret room... 462 00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:16,020 I was like, "Oh, my God." 463 00:24:16,050 --> 00:24:18,720 [CREAKS, CLOSES HEAVILY] 464 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,160 GRACE: According to a colleague of Rex Heuermann's, 465 00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:29,060 he had a room specifically built in his basement 466 00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:33,270 that even his wife was not allowed to enter. 467 00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:37,010 VICTORIA: That's the secret room everybody talks about. 468 00:24:38,670 --> 00:24:40,280 It's kind of a walk-in closet... 469 00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:41,610 [SHUTTER CLICKING] 470 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,780 ...in the gun room 471 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:45,810 that is actually right under the stairs. 472 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:51,990 He didn't want anybody to have access to it, 473 00:24:52,020 --> 00:24:56,730 the secret room, so nobody would know. 474 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,230 Not because he was hiding anything, 475 00:25:00,260 --> 00:25:04,830 but because he wanted to secure a safe in there. 476 00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:06,970 I actually didn't see what the inside of it 477 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,770 actually looked like until after all this happened. 478 00:25:10,810 --> 00:25:13,580 I couldn't get in there myself. 479 00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:16,240 For me, I was asking myself: 480 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,980 is this some kind of House of Horrors? 481 00:25:19,010 --> 00:25:20,880 Does he have a dungeon in there? 482 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,890 Is he killing people like Silence of the Lambsstyle? 483 00:25:27,290 --> 00:25:29,160 FITZGIBBON: The obvious question was: 484 00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:31,590 "What's going on inside that secret room?" 485 00:25:31,630 --> 00:25:35,130 The answer is, "We won't fully know until the trial happens." 486 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,030 Then, we'll learn what investigators found. 487 00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:40,040 [SIRENS WAILING] 488 00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:42,770 The Heuermann home has become a symbol 489 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,940 of Rex's descent and decay. 490 00:25:47,180 --> 00:25:50,280 Outwardly, it's a ramshackle building. 491 00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:52,750 There's a possibility now that there were some 492 00:25:52,780 --> 00:25:56,150 unspeakable horrors that took place in its basement, 493 00:25:56,180 --> 00:25:58,350 and its dungeon. 494 00:25:58,390 --> 00:26:01,760 It's become Long Island's new Amityville Horror house, 495 00:26:01,790 --> 00:26:03,190 to some degree. 496 00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:05,760 The stain a serial killer leaves 497 00:26:05,790 --> 00:26:07,860 on the psyche of a community. 498 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:09,630 Anything to say at all? 499 00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:11,730 ALGAR: It remains for decades. 500 00:26:11,770 --> 00:26:13,940 Our nice, quiet neighborhood of Massapequa Park 501 00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:17,270 will now be known for the home of a serial killer. 502 00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:19,910 And then there's the family who lived there. 503 00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:22,340 If it turns out that he was this prolific killer, 504 00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:23,910 was Rex's wife, Asa, 505 00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:26,950 willfully ignorant of what was going on? 506 00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:28,850 How could she not know? 507 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,990 [***] 508 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,330 [***] 509 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,730 REPORTER 1: Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann 510 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,270 is facing more turmoil. 511 00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:48,700 His wife of 27 years filed for divorce on Wednesday. 512 00:26:48,740 --> 00:26:52,210 REPORTER 2: Online filings list the divorce as uncontested. 513 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,010 FITZGIBBON: The initial public impression of Asa 514 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,010 was that she wanted to distance herself. 515 00:26:58,050 --> 00:26:59,880 She filed for divorce. 516 00:26:59,910 --> 00:27:02,820 The question is did she know about any of this? 517 00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:04,750 It's hard to read this family, 518 00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:07,890 as far as how good was he at living this double life. 519 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,460 Did she actively not want to realize what was going on? 520 00:27:12,490 --> 00:27:14,930 REPORTER: Heuermann has also filed the papers 521 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,030 to turn the marital home solely over to her. 522 00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:20,900 He bought it from his own parents two decades ago. 523 00:27:20,940 --> 00:27:25,310 I understand why she divorced my dad. 524 00:27:25,340 --> 00:27:28,780 They did the divorce to protect the assets. 525 00:27:28,810 --> 00:27:32,950 It's now legally her house. She was married to him. 526 00:27:32,980 --> 00:27:36,020 She gets the asset from the divorce. 527 00:27:36,050 --> 00:27:38,820 If we lost the house, we'd be homeless. 528 00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:40,190 It's our house. 529 00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:45,260 But that doesn't mean that we're not a family anymore. 530 00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:49,460 LINKLETTER: We know nothing about their marriage. 531 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,770 We know nothing about the dynamic between them. 532 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,870 And we know nothing about why Rex Heuermann zeroed in on Asa 533 00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:57,910 as the person he wanted to marry. 534 00:27:57,940 --> 00:27:59,240 This could have been something 535 00:27:59,270 --> 00:28:01,480 he thought through very carefully. 536 00:28:01,510 --> 00:28:03,780 [***] 537 00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:05,980 Could it be that when he was finding a partner, 538 00:28:06,010 --> 00:28:10,320 he handpicked somebody who he could possibly manipulate, 539 00:28:10,350 --> 00:28:12,750 possibly control? 540 00:28:12,790 --> 00:28:15,520 I think we have to really open our minds, 541 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,130 as far as how Asa ended up in this situation. 542 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,400 We don't know yet. 543 00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:33,410 ASA: I moved here in with Rex in November of 1995. 544 00:28:37,550 --> 00:28:38,950 That's my favorite. 545 00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:43,250 I met Rex when I was 18 years old. 546 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,920 He was going to college. I was working at 7-Eleven. 547 00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:55,460 I was born in Iceland. 548 00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:59,330 My younger brother was adopted to an Icelandic family, 549 00:28:59,370 --> 00:29:02,170 and I was adopted to America. 550 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,110 But because of that, 551 00:29:04,140 --> 00:29:07,140 I traveled a lot to Iceland with my family. 552 00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:09,980 And Rex, he traveled a lot. 553 00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:12,310 He went on archeological digs. 554 00:29:19,050 --> 00:29:21,460 He's the kind of guy you turn your head 555 00:29:21,490 --> 00:29:24,190 and you go take a look at, you know. 556 00:29:25,090 --> 00:29:29,230 He was tall, handsome... 557 00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:32,200 debonairing young man. 558 00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:36,540 I love tall, dark and handsome. That's me. 559 00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:40,840 And at that time, I was madly in love with the man. 560 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,080 There's no doubt about that. 561 00:29:44,350 --> 00:29:47,450 But then, I met my first husband, 562 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,220 and got married. 563 00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:53,490 But things did not go well at all. 564 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,590 After my son Christopher was born, 565 00:29:56,620 --> 00:30:02,260 my ex-husband became somebody completely different. 566 00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:06,230 I was in the process of getting a divorce. 567 00:30:06,270 --> 00:30:10,640 Christopher's father, he wasn't very nice about it. 568 00:30:10,670 --> 00:30:12,510 He said to me, 569 00:30:12,540 --> 00:30:14,980 there's no way in the world he was gonna be okay 570 00:30:15,010 --> 00:30:17,480 with me being happy with somebody else. 571 00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:21,350 Rex was the kind of person that you could call 572 00:30:21,380 --> 00:30:24,050 even if you just wanted to talk. 573 00:30:24,620 --> 00:30:26,190 And that's it. 574 00:30:27,460 --> 00:30:29,120 We were friends. 575 00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:32,030 Everybody needs a friend. 576 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,260 So Rex came with me, one time, 577 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:36,530 to go pick up my son. 578 00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:39,170 Rex was standing there 579 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,100 and he heard what he said. 580 00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:45,970 Rex then says, "Okay, I'm not worried. 581 00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:49,310 Let's get a lawyer. Let's take him to court." 582 00:30:49,340 --> 00:30:53,450 And then he paid for the lawyer to take him to court. 583 00:30:56,050 --> 00:31:00,020 So fast forward, I got my divorce. 584 00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:04,560 There was no reason to hold back. 585 00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:06,130 You know what I mean? 586 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,630 So Rex said to me, "I've got a nice house. 587 00:31:08,660 --> 00:31:11,430 I mean, it's not big, not elaborate. 588 00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:15,070 How about you come and see if you'd like to stay there?" 589 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,970 I'm like, "Yes, I would love to." 590 00:31:20,010 --> 00:31:23,710 And then I found out I was pregnant with Rex's baby. 591 00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:29,450 And he said to me, "Well, how do you feel about marrying me?" 592 00:31:31,150 --> 00:31:32,450 And I said... 593 00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:35,160 yes. 594 00:31:36,290 --> 00:31:38,990 There's a picture of me, 595 00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:43,300 and I'm looking up, going, "I finally got him." 596 00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:47,570 He's mine. 597 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,670 [BELL RINGING] 598 00:31:53,310 --> 00:31:55,280 REPORTER 1: Rex Heuermann, the man charged 599 00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:57,480 with three of the Gilgo Beach murders, 600 00:31:57,510 --> 00:32:00,480 returned to court on Long Island today. 601 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,520 REPORTER 1: Rex Heuermann appeared in court today 602 00:32:02,550 --> 00:32:05,020 for a conference rather than a hearing. 603 00:32:05,050 --> 00:32:06,390 His lawyer Mike Brown 604 00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:09,720 is seeking 75 pages of discovery materials. 605 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,630 [CONTINUES OVER TV] He is petitioning for lab documentation 606 00:32:12,660 --> 00:32:14,600 from the Suffolk County Crime Lab. 607 00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:17,630 The 59-year-old architect is also the prime suspect 608 00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:20,040 in the disappearance and killing of the fourth woman, 609 00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:23,240 but he hasn't been charged yet in that case. 610 00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:24,740 ASA: This is gonna be the first time 611 00:32:24,770 --> 00:32:27,710 that I'm gonna go to court and see Rex. 612 00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:30,110 Of course, I'm anxious. 613 00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:35,320 Everybody's going to be staring at me. 614 00:32:37,090 --> 00:32:39,620 OFFICIAL: The only thing his wife knows about the charges 615 00:32:39,650 --> 00:32:41,660 is what's been relayed by the press. 616 00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:44,390 She's having a very difficult time processing 617 00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:46,800 that the man that she was married to for 27 years 618 00:32:46,830 --> 00:32:48,360 was capable of these crimes. 619 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,070 It's been a difficult journey for her. 620 00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:52,300 That should do it. 621 00:32:55,270 --> 00:32:59,240 ASA: All of these girls that were found on Gilgo Beach, 622 00:32:59,270 --> 00:33:01,780 they were girls. 623 00:33:01,810 --> 00:33:05,350 They were somebody's daughter. 624 00:33:05,380 --> 00:33:08,050 They were somebody's sister. 625 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,650 Nobody deserves what they got. 626 00:33:12,250 --> 00:33:15,560 [***] 627 00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:21,130 But Rex was not seeing prostitutes. 628 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,260 He's a family man. 629 00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:25,770 He didn't do this. 630 00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:30,440 McGARVEY: Police have all of these pieces 631 00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:34,440 of, like, really damning evidence against Rex Heuermann. 632 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,780 It makes you wonder if this evidence 633 00:33:36,810 --> 00:33:40,250 will finally make Asa believe Rex is the killer. 634 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,190 I would need to hear it from Rex, face-to-face, 635 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,420 that he killed these girls, 636 00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:51,590 for me to believe it. 637 00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:59,770 My husband never kept me out of anything. 638 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,170 That's why I'm going to the courthouse. 639 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,210 That's why I wanna see it for myself. 640 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,510 It's important for me to know what he's going through. 641 00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:16,620 And I want to be a part of it. 642 00:34:16,650 --> 00:34:19,250 REPORTER 1: Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann 643 00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:21,260 is expected in court this morning. 644 00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:23,630 And a new twist, so is his estranged wife. 645 00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:26,160 REPORTER 2: This marks the first time Asa, his wife, 646 00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:28,660 has chosen to appear in court on his behalf. 647 00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:30,600 I think we have some video of her arriving. 648 00:34:30,630 --> 00:34:32,470 There was a huge press scrum 649 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:35,740 of people trying to get images of her. 650 00:34:35,770 --> 00:34:37,570 Let's go! 651 00:34:37,610 --> 00:34:40,210 Don't put your hands on me again, you fucking asshole! 652 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:44,180 We've never seen her appear before at court 653 00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:46,920 to either support her husband or just to look on. 654 00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:49,650 But at least today, we did see her arrive 655 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,690 for this very brief hearing. 656 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,790 REPORTER: The man accused of the Gilgo Beach murders 657 00:34:57,830 --> 00:35:01,260 made his first court appearance since September. 658 00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:03,570 But it was his estranged wife Asa 659 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,230 who drew the most attention... 660 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:06,700 Off to the side. 661 00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:08,900 ...showing up to one of Rex Heuermann's hearings 662 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,240 for the very first time. 663 00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:12,610 RAY: She lived with this man 664 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,510 in a 1343 square-foot home for 27 years. 665 00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:19,650 And you want me to believe 666 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,880 that she's not involved in his activities? 667 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,790 MAN: She should be considered a suspect 668 00:35:25,820 --> 00:35:28,260 and not just a bystander. 669 00:35:28,290 --> 00:35:30,390 [***] 670 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,500 [***] 671 00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:38,500 REPORTER 1: Surrounded by state court officers, Asa Ellerup, 672 00:35:38,530 --> 00:35:41,200 the estranged wife of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer 673 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,810 Rex Heuermann, attends his court appearance, 674 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,340 a first since his summer arrest and arraignment. 675 00:35:47,380 --> 00:35:50,910 REPORTER 2: During the court proceedings, she exchanged glances with Rex. 676 00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:54,550 Numerous sources reported on Asa's smiling at her husband. 677 00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:57,450 REPORTER 3: Heuermann has been charged with three murders. 678 00:35:57,490 --> 00:36:00,620 REPORTER 4: He's a prime suspect for a fourth possible murder. 679 00:36:00,660 --> 00:36:02,590 Where are you guys with that? 680 00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:04,790 So the grand jury is continuing, 681 00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:09,700 and we anticipate it, um, concluding shortly. 682 00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:12,400 [PHONE RINGING] 683 00:36:12,430 --> 00:36:15,340 MACEDONIO: I just got back to the office from doing arraignment. 684 00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:16,910 That was a huge, huge, huge win. 685 00:36:18,010 --> 00:36:19,970 Nice job on that, though, today. 686 00:36:20,010 --> 00:36:21,980 The whole thing, even Rex, okay? 687 00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:22,980 [PHONE BEEPS] 688 00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:24,250 That was Mike Brown. 689 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,220 So at one point, he got to make eye contact with you. 690 00:36:30,690 --> 00:36:33,420 [SIGHS] I liked seeing him. 691 00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:35,320 I really liked seeing him. 692 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,960 It was comforting. Nobody can be in your position. 693 00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:38,830 A serial murderer. 694 00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:40,600 You're married to him for 27 years. 695 00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:42,600 ASA: I just don't see him that way. 696 00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:45,300 No, that's not the Rex I know. 697 00:36:45,330 --> 00:36:46,600 [PHONE RINGING] 698 00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:48,670 So if they're gonna sit there and they tell me 699 00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:49,900 that he only did this 700 00:36:49,940 --> 00:36:51,940 during these particular time periods 701 00:36:51,970 --> 00:36:56,440 that I was away on vacation, I'd have to question that. 702 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,710 If the man is that much of a genius, 703 00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:02,880 that he's capable of doing that, okay, I don't believe it. 704 00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:08,620 [***] 705 00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:09,990 The whole speculation is 706 00:37:10,030 --> 00:37:12,890 he's butchering these people in his own basement. 707 00:37:14,060 --> 00:37:15,860 VICTORIA: The task force is alleging 708 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,770 that these murders happened when we were on vacation. 709 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,010 Melissa Barthelemy disappeared in July 2009. 710 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,040 She was last seen 711 00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:28,840 sitting outside her apartment in the Bronx. 712 00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:33,680 All right. 713 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,890 So here's my bathroom. 714 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,660 After everything that they went through in my house, 715 00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:44,390 nothing is private. 716 00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:45,530 The door. 717 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,930 They took it. 718 00:37:49,530 --> 00:37:50,670 Brand new. 719 00:37:51,730 --> 00:37:54,800 They're alleging that he killed one of these girls 720 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,770 when he remodeled the bathroom when I was in Iceland. 721 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,810 I remember, July 10th, 2009... 722 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,620 I planned a trip to go to Iceland 723 00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:12,120 for five weeks to visit my family. 724 00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:13,520 I asked Rex: 725 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,130 "Are you okay with me taking the kids 726 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,960 to spend time with my family?" 727 00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:23,670 And he said yes. 728 00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:27,500 Rex was always working, 729 00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:31,110 working, working, working, to bring home a paycheck. 730 00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:34,810 The reason why my husband didn't go with us on vacation 731 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:40,450 is construction building is highest in New York City 732 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,550 during the summertime. 733 00:38:42,580 --> 00:38:46,690 And he would also try to take advantage of times 734 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,160 that we were not in the house 735 00:38:48,190 --> 00:38:52,530 to do some reconstructing in the house. 736 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,100 When I was in Iceland, I remember that conversation, 737 00:38:56,130 --> 00:38:58,700 when he called me the night before he left. 738 00:38:58,730 --> 00:39:01,400 He said to me, "I made a big mess. 739 00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:07,610 And I have a big surprise for you when you get home." 740 00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:12,910 He told me he had ripped apart the whole bathroom, 741 00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:14,620 and he threw everything out. 742 00:39:14,650 --> 00:39:16,720 He had gone to the Home Depot 743 00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:18,790 to pick up some supplies. 744 00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:21,860 There are receipts from when it was retiled, 745 00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:23,830 and he had put in a toilet 746 00:39:23,860 --> 00:39:25,590 and a sink downstairs in the basement, 747 00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:27,100 and he had redone the plumbing. 748 00:39:27,130 --> 00:39:29,860 The bathroom had been completely gutted 749 00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:32,130 from top to bottom. 750 00:39:32,170 --> 00:39:33,600 That was Rex. 751 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,870 He's a problem solver. 752 00:39:36,810 --> 00:39:38,540 He got on a flight 753 00:39:38,570 --> 00:39:40,780 to Iceland the next day. 754 00:39:42,940 --> 00:39:44,650 They ripped up the bathtub 755 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,920 looking for trace evidence of blood. 756 00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:50,650 They've ripped into everything. 757 00:39:53,660 --> 00:39:56,490 It takes approximately four weeks 758 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,090 to do a bathroom like this. 759 00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:01,660 I was in Iceland for five weeks. 760 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,900 If she went missing July 10th, 761 00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:05,870 then I guess they're assuming 762 00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:08,970 that she was held hostage here in this house. 763 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,170 And then he killed her and dumped her body 764 00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:15,180 the night before he left for Iceland. 765 00:40:15,210 --> 00:40:19,880 McGARVEY: Remember, within a week from when Melissa went missing, 766 00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:23,120 her little sister begins receiving a string 767 00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:27,690 of sick and twisted phone calls from the alleged killer. 768 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,930 MURPHY: Once Rex Heuermann left the area of New York 769 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,130 and flew to Iceland to join his family on vacation, 770 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,770 the taunting calls to Melissa's sister stopped. 771 00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:46,210 McGARVEY: Megan Waterman was last seen in June 2010 772 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,780 outside a Holiday Inn in Hauppauge, New York, 773 00:40:49,810 --> 00:40:50,910 which is in Long Island, 774 00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:52,980 just six months prior 775 00:40:53,010 --> 00:40:55,750 to her remains being found on Gilgo Beach. 776 00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:03,190 When Megan Waterman went missing on June 6th, 2010, 777 00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:05,030 two days before that, 778 00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:09,230 my mom, my brother, and I went to Six Flags in Maryland. 779 00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:15,940 ASA: Rex doesn't do roller coasters, 780 00:41:15,970 --> 00:41:20,040 and he doesn't do water slides 781 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,710 because he suffers from severe motion sickness. 782 00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:30,150 So I had bought season tickets to go to Six Flags 783 00:41:30,190 --> 00:41:31,590 for my children. 784 00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:35,590 VICTORIA: I was, like, a roller coaster junkie when I was a kid. 785 00:41:35,620 --> 00:41:39,830 It was a lot of fun, and they're great memories. 786 00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:46,130 PERTEL [CRYING]: She loved her daughter so much. 787 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:48,840 She was just very kindhearted, you know? 788 00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:50,140 She made mistakes. Who doesn't? 789 00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:53,580 She didn't deserve this. Nobody deserves this. 790 00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:57,050 Megan never thought she would end up in sex work, 791 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,920 but she was coerced by somebody she was dating. 792 00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:04,220 VICTORIA: The task force is alleging 793 00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:07,290 that two days after we went on vacation, 794 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,990 my dad murdered Megan... 795 00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:15,000 and discarded her while we were away. 796 00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:24,340 I don't-- Um... 797 00:42:24,370 --> 00:42:25,970 I'm not sure that it... 798 00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:30,250 I don't know whether it did or didn't happen. 799 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,180 At the time, I was 13 years old. 800 00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:40,920 The portrait that was emerging of Rex was paradoxical, 801 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,930 because you had this narrative 802 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,760 of a man simply living his family life 803 00:42:45,790 --> 00:42:47,400 and going to work every day. 804 00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:50,770 ANNOUNCER [OVER PA]: The next station is Penn Station. 805 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,030 ALGAR: On the other hand, 806 00:42:52,070 --> 00:42:57,910 he is living this incomprehensibly evil life. 807 00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:01,080 He does not look capable of what he did. 808 00:43:01,110 --> 00:43:02,940 I was honestly very shocked. 809 00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:05,110 ALGAR: Taking a sex worker captive. 810 00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:08,250 Killing her, disposing of her, 811 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,850 with his family apparently unaware and on vacation. 812 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,760 I'm convinced that the person they're looking for 813 00:43:15,790 --> 00:43:18,290 is not a family man. 814 00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:22,730 You prey on small, innocent girls. 815 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,270 The routineness of it added a sinister layer to the case. 816 00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:30,240 He didn't do this. 817 00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:35,080 It's somebody who doesn't take their kids on vacation 818 00:43:35,110 --> 00:43:37,810 because they don't have any kids. 819 00:43:37,850 --> 00:43:39,910 SASSE: Just looks like a cold monster. 820 00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:42,350 None of these girls stood a chance. 821 00:43:42,380 --> 00:43:45,090 ALGAR: And then we hear there's more evidence coming. 822 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,460 There's more twists coming, there's more turns. 823 00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:51,260 There's no reason to think that this case is going to become 824 00:43:51,290 --> 00:43:54,130 any less confounding and astonishing 825 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,830 than it already has been. 826 00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:58,270 REPORTER: Prosecutors long suspected Heuermann 827 00:43:58,300 --> 00:44:00,440 had a hand in Brainard-Barnes's killing, 828 00:44:00,470 --> 00:44:02,100 one of the Gilgo Four. 829 00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:04,840 Now they say they've got the proof 830 00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:06,410 to support that claim. 831 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,040 [***] 832 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,180 [***] 833 00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:17,750 REPORTER: Rex Heuermann, the accused Long Island serial killer, 834 00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:19,390 appeared in court again today 835 00:44:19,420 --> 00:44:22,820 as he's now charged in the death of a fourth woman. 836 00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:25,030 In January of 2024, 837 00:44:25,060 --> 00:44:27,030 Rex Heuermann is indicted 838 00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:29,300 on the fourth murder in the Gilgo Four, 839 00:44:29,330 --> 00:44:31,100 for Maureen Brainard-Barnes. 840 00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:34,170 [PEOPLE CHATTERING INDISTINCTLY] 841 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,810 We're here to discuss the superseding indictment. 842 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,780 TIERNEY: Well, the biggest change is the DNA evidence. 843 00:44:40,810 --> 00:44:46,110 We now have nuclear DNA results for all five of the hairs. 844 00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:49,520 This nuclear DNA evidence is really overwhelming. 845 00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:51,450 One hair is tied to Rex Heuermann, 846 00:44:51,490 --> 00:44:53,890 three hairs are tied to his wife Asa, 847 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,960 and one hair is tied to his daughter Victoria. 848 00:44:58,990 --> 00:45:00,200 FITZGIBBON: The significance 849 00:45:00,230 --> 00:45:02,460 of the Maureen Brainard-Barnes charge 850 00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:04,800 is that it's the first time in the case 851 00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:06,230 that there was nuclear DNA. 852 00:45:06,270 --> 00:45:08,470 Nuclear DNA is what the cops want. 853 00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:11,010 That's, like, ties right to an individual, a suspect, 854 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,010 and identifies him. 855 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,080 LINKLETTER: It's very hard to dispute nuclear DNA evidence, 856 00:45:16,110 --> 00:45:18,450 'cause it is, like, somebody's fingerprint. 857 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,080 FITZGIBBON: The initial three victims he was charged with 858 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,550 were mitochondrial matches, 859 00:45:22,580 --> 00:45:25,950 which more eliminates other suspects 860 00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:27,420 rather than pinpoint him. 861 00:45:27,460 --> 00:45:29,820 So this was a massive development. 862 00:45:29,860 --> 00:45:32,360 REPORTER: Five hairs discovered on multiple victims 863 00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:34,500 have now been matched through nuclear DNA 864 00:45:34,530 --> 00:45:36,830 to the Heuermann family. MURPHY: We're wondering, 865 00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:39,500 will this change Asa and Victoria's opinion? 866 00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:43,000 I mean, where do you find three members of the same household 867 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,140 tied to crime scene murders? 868 00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:48,340 REPORTER: Investigators say 869 00:45:48,380 --> 00:45:51,450 they linked 25 year-old Maureen Brainard-Barnes' murder 870 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,080 to Rex Heuermann via DNA from a female hair 871 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,420 found on a belt used to bind her ankles, feet and legs. 872 00:46:05,860 --> 00:46:08,530 ASA: In July of 2007, 873 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,370 I was on vacation trying to do something fun with my kids. 874 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,870 There were credit card receipts of us being in Atlantic City 875 00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:22,040 at this particular time period. 876 00:46:25,110 --> 00:46:26,880 They're alleging that my husband 877 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,180 managed to go to work... 878 00:46:29,380 --> 00:46:31,990 solicit sex from a sex worker... 879 00:46:32,020 --> 00:46:34,220 [PHONE RINGS] [DOOR CHIMES] 880 00:46:34,260 --> 00:46:36,260 ...sit on a train... 881 00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:40,160 and then come home, make plans, 882 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,930 pick 'em up, 883 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,300 kill 'em, dump 'em... 884 00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:47,440 turn around, 885 00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:49,600 and go to Atlantic City to come see us. 886 00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:54,410 I'm sorry, it's bullshit. 887 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,480 I'm sorry for my language. 888 00:47:00,550 --> 00:47:02,920 REPORTER: Hairs found on Megan Waterman's body, 889 00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:05,650 and the burlap bindings match Rex Heuermann 890 00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:08,520 and his wife's advanced DNA profile. 891 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,930 And a hair found on Amber Costello's body 892 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,530 matches Heuermann's daughter, Victoria. 893 00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:21,570 LINKLETTER: Victoria decided to join Asa in court that day, 894 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,610 where this evidence involving her is made public. 895 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,410 FITZGIBBON: So the first time that Victoria goes to court 896 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,050 for her father's case happens to be the same day 897 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,480 that her DNA is linked 898 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,090 to a hair found on one of the victims. 899 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,520 I mean, she's not a suspect. 900 00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:41,690 Her father did this when she was on vacation. 901 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:43,490 But how does that feel like? 902 00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:47,130 I mean, what's going through her mind at that point? 903 00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:55,700 The general public is just curious about Asa 904 00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:57,640 and her and Rex's children. 905 00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:59,340 REPORTER: For the daughter to show up, 906 00:47:59,370 --> 00:48:01,010 this is the first time we've seen her. 907 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,480 Is there still a basis of hope that their father 908 00:48:04,510 --> 00:48:06,980 is not who the prosecutors believe him to be? 909 00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:10,950 I don't know if people are so obsessed with Asa and Victoria, 910 00:48:10,990 --> 00:48:14,120 out of curiosity, or anger, 911 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,660 or what it is that's drawing so many eyes to them. 912 00:48:17,690 --> 00:48:20,600 But people really can't seem to get enough 913 00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:23,260 of learning about them, and staring at them, 914 00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:25,500 and studying their every move. 915 00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:33,510 VICTORIA: All these people swarming around me... 916 00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:36,610 I kind of felt humiliated. 917 00:48:39,310 --> 00:48:41,420 VICTORIA: It was like the walk of shame. 918 00:48:44,220 --> 00:48:45,320 Excuse me. 919 00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:54,100 MACEDONIO: This is Victoria on the train. 920 00:48:54,130 --> 00:48:55,230 When is that picture? 921 00:48:55,260 --> 00:48:58,170 That was on May 25th of this year. 922 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,300 There's an undercover agent that was part of the task force 923 00:49:01,340 --> 00:49:04,170 that was trailing Victoria. 924 00:49:04,210 --> 00:49:07,310 To find out today that she was followed on the train, 925 00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:08,710 and her DNA was taken. 926 00:49:08,740 --> 00:49:12,180 You know, that was extremely emotional for her as well. 927 00:49:12,210 --> 00:49:14,750 MURPHY: The bombshell that came out with the indictment 928 00:49:14,780 --> 00:49:16,690 for the Maureen Brainard-Barnes murder 929 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:21,660 was that hair that was found on another victim, Amber Costello, 930 00:49:21,690 --> 00:49:24,430 was tied to Rex Heuerrmann's daughter. 931 00:49:24,460 --> 00:49:26,800 And what the investigators had done 932 00:49:26,830 --> 00:49:29,200 was follow her home one day from work 933 00:49:29,230 --> 00:49:31,130 on the Long Island Railroad. 934 00:49:31,170 --> 00:49:34,400 And she was drinking from a can, an energy drink. 935 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,570 When she got off the train in Massapequa, 936 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,670 she threw the can in the trash, 937 00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:40,780 and the investigators retrieved it, 938 00:49:40,810 --> 00:49:43,210 had it tested in a forensic lab, 939 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:45,350 and there was a pretty strong match 940 00:49:45,380 --> 00:49:48,780 to a hair that was found on Amber Costello's body. 941 00:49:50,850 --> 00:49:53,490 You drink that Monster Java? Is that what you drink? 942 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,360 I've drank it before. Yeah. 943 00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:57,630 How does that make you feel 944 00:49:57,660 --> 00:49:59,590 seeing that you had someone surveilling you? 945 00:50:00,860 --> 00:50:02,760 VICTORIA: I went from being a normal person, 946 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,800 contributing to society every day, 947 00:50:04,830 --> 00:50:11,140 to this laughingstock all over the internet, and TV, and news. 948 00:50:11,170 --> 00:50:12,140 Victoria. 949 00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:13,680 [SHUTTERS CLICKING] 950 00:50:13,710 --> 00:50:16,410 When I was in the middle of the media frenzy, I'll admit, 951 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,210 I probably felt like, humiliated. 952 00:50:18,250 --> 00:50:20,680 I know I don't have anything to be shameful about, 953 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:23,620 but that's what it felt like, just the bombarding, 954 00:50:23,650 --> 00:50:26,590 people's disappointed faces. 955 00:50:26,620 --> 00:50:28,460 I didn't really feel like a person. 956 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,130 They ask questions, why didn't I see anything? 957 00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:39,700 How did I not know? 958 00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:44,410 I was 10, 12, and 13 years old when these girls were murdered. 959 00:50:46,570 --> 00:50:49,410 I was in school, which, you know, 960 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,210 which takes up a good chunk of the day. 961 00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:52,310 And then I was home, 962 00:50:52,350 --> 00:50:54,820 or doing after school activities. 963 00:50:54,850 --> 00:50:58,450 And that's exactly how I wouldn't know anything. 964 00:51:00,190 --> 00:51:02,420 And now that I actually look back on my childhood, 965 00:51:02,460 --> 00:51:04,560 I do find it very hard to believe 966 00:51:04,590 --> 00:51:06,630 my dad actually really did all this. 967 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:14,900 VICTORIA: Like I said, I saw him 968 00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:19,170 at regular times every day, morning, night, 969 00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:22,180 and the vacations that he did join us on. 970 00:51:22,210 --> 00:51:24,380 But, like, like I said, at the same time, 971 00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:26,250 there was a lot of hours out of the day 972 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,750 that I also was not home, 973 00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:32,190 including vacations that he did not join us on. 974 00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:34,360 And that's exactly what I mean by on the fence. 975 00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:36,590 There's, like... 976 00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:39,660 Well, you know, like he was definitely very much around, 977 00:51:39,690 --> 00:51:41,430 you know, 90 percent of the time. 978 00:51:41,460 --> 00:51:44,630 But then there's that other 10 percent of the time he was not. 979 00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:50,740 I feel like I can't know whether or not he did or didn't 980 00:51:50,770 --> 00:51:52,710 because I was not around for it. 981 00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:54,740 I was too young to understand. 982 00:51:57,580 --> 00:52:02,480 LINKLETTER: Rex Heuermann ruined more than just the lives of the victims 983 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,390 and their families whose lives he stole. 984 00:52:05,420 --> 00:52:07,160 He ruined his own family's lives. 985 00:52:08,820 --> 00:52:12,530 Is it right that they're under the microscope in this way that 986 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,560 everybody's talking about them? 987 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,230 Is it fair? No, it's not fair. 988 00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:19,500 But they're caught in this web. 989 00:52:19,530 --> 00:52:21,800 They're caught in Rex Heuermann's wake. 990 00:52:23,540 --> 00:52:25,640 When you look at all this stuff together, 991 00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:29,980 the DNA, the hairs, the cell phone records, 992 00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:31,510 the searches, 993 00:52:31,550 --> 00:52:33,820 it's like an avalanche of evidence. 994 00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:38,250 And we were about to learn that. 995 00:52:38,290 --> 00:52:39,690 After Rex Heuermann's arrest, 996 00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:42,690 law enforcement seized more than 400 devices, 997 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:44,730 phones, hard drives, laptops 998 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,930 from his home, and from his office. 999 00:52:48,830 --> 00:52:52,470 And it was absolutely insane to read about what they found 1000 00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:54,500 on his electronic devices. 1001 00:53:04,510 --> 00:53:06,980 TIERNEY: We recovered numerous electronic devices 1002 00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:11,590 from the defendant, including laptops, smartphones, tablets. 1003 00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:13,990 REPORTER: No doubt there are digital forensic investigators 1004 00:53:14,020 --> 00:53:16,390 scrutinizing Heuermann's e-mails, 1005 00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:18,730 computers, and burner phones. 1006 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,530 MURPHY: After Rex Heuermann's arrest, 1007 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,830 law enforcement seized more than 400 electronic devices, 1008 00:53:23,870 --> 00:53:26,030 phones, hard drives, laptops 1009 00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:28,270 from his home, and from his office. 1010 00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:32,970 Investigators discovered videos and stills dating back to 1994. 1011 00:53:35,980 --> 00:53:37,850 FITZGIBBON: There's just, like, reams and reams 1012 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,980 of, like, really sick pornography 1013 00:53:40,020 --> 00:53:42,380 that are on Rex's, you know, devices. 1014 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,320 This is really over the top, grotesque porn. 1015 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,820 MURPHY: They're seeing vile, torture pornography, 1016 00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:52,560 child pornography, breast mutilation, 1017 00:53:52,590 --> 00:53:54,300 vaginal mutilation. 1018 00:53:54,330 --> 00:53:58,400 Sexualization of decapitated women. 1019 00:53:58,430 --> 00:54:00,470 It was insane. 1020 00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:03,570 It's just stomach-turning to think about it. 1021 00:54:03,610 --> 00:54:07,510 But it wasn't just what they found that was alarming. 1022 00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:09,010 It's what they couldn't find. 1023 00:54:10,350 --> 00:54:12,780 Heuermann had searches for wiping 1024 00:54:12,810 --> 00:54:15,850 and erasing data from his computers. 1025 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,720 MURPHY: Investigators discovered evidence 1026 00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:20,020 that he's actually buying specific software 1027 00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:22,890 that can shred the files in his computer. 1028 00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:28,100 So they're going to have to find a way 1029 00:54:28,130 --> 00:54:30,330 to look into stuff that's been deleted. 1030 00:54:30,370 --> 00:54:33,370 And they need professional forensic extractors 1031 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,540 to get to that. 1032 00:54:35,570 --> 00:54:36,910 Eight months after the arrest, 1033 00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:41,010 investigators were able to forensically extract 1034 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,580 this Microsoft Word planning document 1035 00:54:43,610 --> 00:54:44,980 that essentially changed the course 1036 00:54:45,010 --> 00:54:46,680 of this entire investigation. 1037 00:54:47,780 --> 00:54:52,120 It was called HK 2002 to 2004. 1038 00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:55,890 The prosecutors believe "HK" stands for "Hunt Kill," 1039 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,890 and it's basically a blueprint for a serial killer. 1040 00:54:59,930 --> 00:55:03,030 REPORTER 1: Just a short time ago, Police on Long Island announced 1041 00:55:03,060 --> 00:55:06,770 new developments in the serial killer investigation. 1042 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,540 REPORTER 2: Police are now out searching the woods around Manorville. 1043 00:55:10,570 --> 00:55:12,870 MURPHY: The document starts with the preparation, 1044 00:55:12,910 --> 00:55:14,440 and that involves making sure 1045 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,640 that your tires are in good order, 1046 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,610 and that you've surveilled the areas 1047 00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:21,650 where you will be traveling to pick up your victim. 1048 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,520 REPORTER: Search is taking place roughly 45 miles 1049 00:55:24,550 --> 00:55:27,460 from the notorious Gilgo Beach site. 1050 00:55:27,490 --> 00:55:28,720 And to dispose of your victim, 1051 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:29,920 to make sure there aren't too many 1052 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,830 surveillance cameras around. 1053 00:55:31,860 --> 00:55:34,160 REPORTER: Same location where the remains of two murder victims 1054 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,930 were found more than 20 years ago. 1055 00:55:36,970 --> 00:55:39,700 Make sure you decapitate the victim. 1056 00:55:39,730 --> 00:55:41,800 Makes it harder to identify them. 1057 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,940 REPORTER: The search has widened to the hamlet of North Sea 1058 00:55:44,970 --> 00:55:48,710 where 28 year-old Sandra Costilla's body was discovered 1059 00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:52,110 back in November of 1993. 1060 00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:54,850 If they have tattoos, you have to try to scrape them off. 1061 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,420 REPORTER: Could police be zeroing in on new evidence in her murder? 1062 00:55:59,450 --> 00:56:01,990 MURPHY: He's talking about potential problems. 1063 00:56:02,020 --> 00:56:05,630 Bloodstains. Hair left behind. 1064 00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:07,030 We are following some breaking news 1065 00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:09,160 out of Long Island, New York this morning. 1066 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,670 Right now, police are searching the home of Rex Heuermann. 1067 00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:14,200 And how does he counteract that? 1068 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:17,010 Well, he has to prepare and get supplies. 1069 00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:23,710 REPORTER: Police are back at the Heuermann bungalow. 1070 00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:26,550 Authorities have not commented on why they have returned 1071 00:56:26,580 --> 00:56:29,580 after nearly a year since Rex's arrest. 1072 00:56:29,620 --> 00:56:32,550 FITZGIBBON: We find out that there's a second search going on 1073 00:56:32,590 --> 00:56:34,620 at Rex Heuermann's house, on the heels 1074 00:56:34,660 --> 00:56:38,460 of police searching in Manorville and Southampton. 1075 00:56:38,490 --> 00:56:41,860 You don't get a second search warrant just on a whim. 1076 00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:43,830 So something led them back to the house, 1077 00:56:43,870 --> 00:56:44,970 and that's significant. 1078 00:56:46,070 --> 00:56:47,800 MURPHY: So he's getting drop cloths. 1079 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,840 He's getting booties for his shoes. 1080 00:56:49,870 --> 00:56:51,210 He's getting hair nets 1081 00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:54,110 so that his hair won't get on the victim, 1082 00:56:54,140 --> 00:56:55,580 or so he hopes. 1083 00:56:55,610 --> 00:56:57,610 What more could they be looking for? 1084 00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:59,680 Could it have something to do with evidence 1085 00:56:59,710 --> 00:57:01,550 that was found in Manorville? 1086 00:57:01,580 --> 00:57:05,590 MURPHY: So this is elaborate preparation that's going on. 1087 00:57:05,620 --> 00:57:06,920 This person, this killer, 1088 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,260 is trying to think of every potential thing 1089 00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:12,860 that could go wrong, that would help identify him. 1090 00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:14,060 And then the news breaks. 1091 00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:15,600 Now, to breaking news 1092 00:57:15,630 --> 00:57:17,770 in the Gilgo Beach murders investigation. 1093 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,900 Tonight, Rex Heuermann is facing new murder charges. 1094 00:57:21,940 --> 00:57:23,840 Rex Heuermann has been charged 1095 00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:26,570 with the murders of two more women. 1096 00:57:26,610 --> 00:57:29,540 FITZGIBBON: Now, we're linking Rex Heuermann to Sandra Costilla 1097 00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:31,780 who disappeared in 1993. 1098 00:57:31,810 --> 00:57:33,050 She was 28 years old. 1099 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,620 Like the other victims, she was a sex worker. 1100 00:57:35,650 --> 00:57:37,250 And he's also charged with the murder 1101 00:57:37,290 --> 00:57:39,720 of Jessica Taylor, also a sex worker. 1102 00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:42,790 She was 20. She made a phone call to her mother, 1103 00:57:42,820 --> 00:57:44,230 and they chatted for several minutes, 1104 00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:46,230 and she made plans to go visit her mother 1105 00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:48,530 in upstate New York in Poughkeepsie, 1106 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,230 on her birthday, several days later. 1107 00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:52,800 Rex Heuermann worked in the very same vicinity 1108 00:57:52,830 --> 00:57:55,940 where Jessica Taylor was known to street walk. 1109 00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,110 ALGAR: Heuermann's murders of Costilla and Jessica Taylor 1110 00:58:02,140 --> 00:58:04,810 completely disrupted the profile 1111 00:58:04,850 --> 00:58:06,680 that many of us were operating with 1112 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,880 in terms of both methodology, and timeline. 1113 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,250 FITZGIBBON: Now we know that Rex Heuermann has been 1114 00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:14,760 allegedly killing these women 1115 00:58:14,790 --> 00:58:16,160 for nearly 30 years. 1116 00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:18,990 Much, much earlier than we ever thought he was doing. 1117 00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:22,200 Secondly, Jessica Taylor's body was dismembered. 1118 00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:24,830 She was decapitated. Her arms were removed. 1119 00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:29,300 Remember, the Gilgo Four, their bodies were found intact. 1120 00:58:29,340 --> 00:58:31,910 McGARVEY: Suddenly, everything we thought we knew 1121 00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:35,140 up until this point completely changed. 1122 00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:39,250 REPORTER: As the crime scene expands, so does the mystery. 1123 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,350 So all of a sudden, anything is possible. 1124 00:58:41,380 --> 00:58:43,120 It means that he could be responsible 1125 00:58:43,150 --> 00:58:45,990 for dozens and dozens of murders. 1126 00:58:46,020 --> 00:58:48,160 Our investigation now has broadened. 1127 00:58:48,190 --> 00:58:51,690 Now, the entire case mushroomed. 1128 00:58:55,060 --> 00:58:57,170 [***] 1129 00:59:07,710 --> 00:59:11,650 [***] 1130 00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:16,650 Translated By The_Proffs 1131 00:59:17,650 --> 00:59:21,650 Translated By The_Proffs 95402

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