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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Translated By The_Proffs 2 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Translated By The_Proffs 3 00:00:06,670 --> 00:00:09,600 [***] 4 00:00:09,700 --> 00:00:12,370 REPORTER: Out here along Ocean Parkway, 5 00:00:12,470 --> 00:00:15,410 where the body count just keeps on rising. 6 00:00:16,210 --> 00:00:17,210 The so-called "Gilgo Four" 7 00:00:17,310 --> 00:00:18,950 were all petite women, 8 00:00:19,050 --> 00:00:23,280 all under five foot five, and they were all sex workers. 9 00:00:23,390 --> 00:00:26,650 We have a serial killer on our hands. 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,130 The only word that really came to mind was monstrous. 11 00:00:31,230 --> 00:00:33,290 It's the perfect tabloid story. 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,530 But it turns into something much bigger 13 00:00:36,630 --> 00:00:39,830 than a simple, like, serial killer case. 14 00:00:39,930 --> 00:00:41,500 REPORTER: After years of controversy 15 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,410 surrounding guns and a sex worker, 16 00:00:43,510 --> 00:00:46,640 the Suffolk County Police Chief resigned today. 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,980 This whole part of the story is so extraordinary. 18 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,950 ALGAR: The investigation pretty much slows to a crawl 19 00:00:54,050 --> 00:00:56,690 for almost a decade, shockingly. 20 00:00:58,220 --> 00:01:01,960 Find this killer before he strikes and murders 21 00:01:02,060 --> 00:01:04,160 someone that you love. 22 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,430 McGARVEY: And then, after 13 years, 23 00:01:07,530 --> 00:01:11,600 this bombshell drops out of seemingly nowhere. 24 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:15,040 REPORTER: A suspect now under arrest in connection 25 00:01:15,140 --> 00:01:17,440 to the unsolved Gilgo Beach murders. 26 00:01:17,540 --> 00:01:19,310 SHEEHAN: I remember thinking, "Oh, shit. 27 00:01:19,410 --> 00:01:22,440 Who would have suspected that that guy was the killer?" 28 00:01:22,540 --> 00:01:25,610 He basically was the person that lived next door. 29 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:29,620 But the most mysterious figure in this whole thing is the wife. 30 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,590 SHEEHAN: The idea that the wife didn't know anything 31 00:01:31,690 --> 00:01:34,360 about what he was doing is hard to believe. 32 00:01:34,460 --> 00:01:38,360 She has not talked to any of us. We can only speculate. 33 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:43,530 [***] 34 00:02:11,860 --> 00:02:15,430 Does everybody really believe everything they hear? 35 00:02:17,070 --> 00:02:20,440 [***] 36 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:04,810 [PHONE DIALING] 37 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,240 [***] 38 00:03:41,250 --> 00:03:44,890 RYDER: So, the early Gilgo case starts with Shannan Gilbert. 39 00:03:44,990 --> 00:03:48,820 Shannan showed up as a sex worker to a house on Oak Beach. 40 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,760 She ran from that residence and then called 911. 41 00:03:52,860 --> 00:03:55,700 And when she fled, she knocked on two other doors. 42 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,300 She ran into that mucky bramble area 43 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,440 on the swampy side of the street 44 00:04:00,540 --> 00:04:02,400 where she disappeared. 45 00:04:05,810 --> 00:04:07,640 My name is Patrick Ryder. I am the Police Commissioner 46 00:04:07,740 --> 00:04:09,580 for the Nassau County Police Department. 47 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,580 Which is right next to Suffolk County, 48 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,780 where Gilgo Beach is here on Long Island. 49 00:04:17,550 --> 00:04:19,620 Ocean Parkway runs west to east. 50 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,460 It'll take you from Jones Beach, 51 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,060 which is about 40 miles from Manhattan, 52 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,260 all the way east to Oak Beach, where Shannan was last seen. 53 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,760 Along that roadway 54 00:04:29,860 --> 00:04:32,170 on the right and left side, it's all bramble. 55 00:04:32,270 --> 00:04:33,500 You can't see the beach. 56 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,300 There's high dunes to protect it 57 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,340 from, obviously, the tides. 58 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,310 And right in the middle is Gilgo Beach. 59 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,310 Gilgo, in the summer during the day, very busy area. 60 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:48,150 [***] 61 00:04:48,250 --> 00:04:49,650 But at night time, 62 00:04:49,750 --> 00:04:51,790 you could pull over on the side of the road, 63 00:04:51,890 --> 00:04:54,460 shut your lights off, and nobody'll see you. 64 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,220 If you're in tight to the bramble area, 65 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,630 nobody will see your car. 66 00:04:57,730 --> 00:05:00,700 It's that dark in some areas at nighttime. 67 00:05:05,570 --> 00:05:08,140 As detectives, nothing is harder 68 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,410 than when someone comes in to report a missing person. 69 00:05:11,510 --> 00:05:13,540 I'm a cop, but also I'm a parent. 70 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,840 Parents are parents. You know, you want results 71 00:05:15,940 --> 00:05:19,950 knowing that, "Listen, that's my child out there." 72 00:05:20,050 --> 00:05:23,490 My name is Rick Tirelli. I grew up on Long Island, 73 00:05:23,590 --> 00:05:26,890 and I'm a former New York City Homicide Detective. 74 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,660 Shannan was a sex worker who disappeared in Oak Beach, 75 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,360 just seven miles east of Gilgo Beach. 76 00:05:34,460 --> 00:05:38,600 REPORTER: Shannan Gilbert went missing on May 1st of last year 77 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:42,370 after she ran screaming from a client's home at 5 a.m. 78 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,910 It's the last she was seen alive. 79 00:05:49,180 --> 00:05:52,550 TIRELLI: John Mallia, who was a K-9 police officer, 80 00:05:52,650 --> 00:05:55,780 was looking for Shannan's body. 81 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:00,420 He's out there in the bramble in the cold December weather. 82 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,020 And he ends up finding something. 83 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:04,690 But it's not Shannan. 84 00:06:04,790 --> 00:06:06,330 REPORTER 1: We're live on Gilgo Beach. 85 00:06:06,430 --> 00:06:08,300 An extensive search that goes on 86 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,400 for a good mile along the bay here. 87 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:12,300 You can see crime scene investigators behind me. 88 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,400 REPORTER 2: A K-9 unit on a training exercise here 89 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:17,440 uncovered the first body. 90 00:06:17,540 --> 00:06:18,840 MALLIA: The dog gave me an indication. 91 00:06:18,940 --> 00:06:22,210 At that point, I saw the skeletal remains of a body. 92 00:06:22,310 --> 00:06:24,880 REPORTER 2: When search teams returned to the same location today 93 00:06:24,980 --> 00:06:27,880 to look for more evidence, they found instead 94 00:06:27,980 --> 00:06:31,390 three more bodies stuffed in these brushes. 95 00:06:31,490 --> 00:06:32,890 The thing with Gilgo is 96 00:06:32,990 --> 00:06:35,060 everyone on Long Island and friends of mine 97 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,230 who worked on other serial killer cases knew it was big. 98 00:06:39,330 --> 00:06:40,660 You start to wonder like, like, 99 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,900 "Where's this guy going? What's going on?" 100 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,630 RYDER: So once we start uncovering bodies, 101 00:06:45,730 --> 00:06:47,000 you start getting the concern, 102 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:49,900 "How did these happen? Who are our victims? 103 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:54,010 What is the commonality? What can we do to solve this?" 104 00:06:54,110 --> 00:06:55,840 REPORTER 3: Out here along Ocean Parkway, 105 00:06:55,940 --> 00:06:58,080 where the body count just keeps on rising 106 00:06:58,180 --> 00:07:01,920 and the grisly mystery just deepens as police excavate 107 00:07:02,020 --> 00:07:05,190 an apparent serial killer's dumping ground. 108 00:07:05,290 --> 00:07:07,060 TOULON: The commonality amongst the four women 109 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,430 that were originally found was they were all bound. 110 00:07:10,530 --> 00:07:12,190 They were all Caucasian. 111 00:07:12,290 --> 00:07:16,730 They were relatively, uh, small in height and small in frame. 112 00:07:19,570 --> 00:07:21,370 And I thought I've seen it all, 113 00:07:21,470 --> 00:07:23,810 have dealt with all types of crimes. 114 00:07:25,610 --> 00:07:26,910 But when it came to Gilgo Beach, 115 00:07:27,010 --> 00:07:30,210 to have a serial killer of this magnitude. 116 00:07:30,310 --> 00:07:33,980 You know, I've been a resident of Suffolk County for 33 years, 117 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,990 and I wanted to make sure we had a hand in solving this. 118 00:07:38,090 --> 00:07:40,720 RYDER: We look at it from a personal standpoint. 119 00:07:40,820 --> 00:07:43,190 There's a weight on everybody's shoulders 120 00:07:43,290 --> 00:07:44,590 of an unsolved homicide, 121 00:07:44,690 --> 00:07:46,930 but none more than a serial killer. 122 00:07:51,630 --> 00:07:55,640 Find this killer before he strikes, and hurts, 123 00:07:55,740 --> 00:07:59,040 and murders someone that you love. 124 00:07:59,140 --> 00:08:02,310 [***] 125 00:08:02,410 --> 00:08:05,780 ALGAR: Once the word came down that there were four bodies there, 126 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,650 I drove from New York City as fast as I could 127 00:08:08,750 --> 00:08:11,420 all the way out to Gilgo Beach. 128 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,820 It was December. 129 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,560 It was absolutely bone-chilling that day. 130 00:08:17,590 --> 00:08:20,460 I've been a reporter for 20 years. 131 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,000 So when a story on a case like that, 132 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:25,570 your question is, "Are they related or are they not?" 133 00:08:25,670 --> 00:08:28,170 If they are related, you drop everything else, 134 00:08:28,270 --> 00:08:32,510 and you devote yourself to finding out how they're related. 135 00:08:32,610 --> 00:08:34,640 Four bodies in one place. 136 00:08:34,740 --> 00:08:36,540 The assumption is serial killer. 137 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,850 And once that phrase comes out, 138 00:08:38,950 --> 00:08:41,750 there are no other stories at that point. 139 00:08:41,850 --> 00:08:44,450 And the peace and beauty of Fire Island was shattered. 140 00:08:44,550 --> 00:08:45,850 A very different papacy. 141 00:08:45,950 --> 00:08:47,320 MURPHY: I grew up on Long Island, 142 00:08:47,420 --> 00:08:50,660 and I've been a reporter for more than four decades. 143 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,290 From Gotti to Gilgo, I've covered it all. 144 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:54,730 I will be the first to tell you 145 00:08:54,830 --> 00:08:56,900 that I am a wannabe police detective. 146 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,600 And when a case is unsolved, I wanna know why. 147 00:09:02,170 --> 00:09:07,540 The Gilgo Four were found in very thick bramble, thick brush, 148 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,010 just in about 30 feet 149 00:09:09,110 --> 00:09:11,650 on the westbound lane of Ocean Parkway. 150 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:13,950 They were all naked, and they were all bound. 151 00:09:14,050 --> 00:09:19,150 Three of them with tape, and one was bound with belts, 152 00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:22,790 and three of them were wrapped in burlap. 153 00:09:22,890 --> 00:09:26,090 We're asking ourselves all these questions: 154 00:09:26,190 --> 00:09:28,160 "How did they die? 155 00:09:28,260 --> 00:09:29,800 Where were they killed?" 156 00:09:31,470 --> 00:09:35,700 It could take weeks or months to identify the four bodies 157 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,010 found over the past couple of days. 158 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,910 I'm Shannon McGarvey. I'm an investigative writer. 159 00:09:45,010 --> 00:09:47,050 I've been working on the Gilgo case 160 00:09:47,150 --> 00:09:50,190 for the better part of a decade. 161 00:09:50,290 --> 00:09:53,090 The so-called "Gilgo Four" were all petite women, 162 00:09:53,190 --> 00:09:56,790 all under five foot five, and that was chilling. 163 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,660 Within a week, there was no indication 164 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,830 that there was a person of interest, 165 00:10:01,930 --> 00:10:04,000 never mind a suspect in this case. 166 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:07,270 How long has this been going on? 167 00:10:07,370 --> 00:10:08,900 Who are the victims? 168 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,540 Were they dumped all at once? 169 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,640 Anything is possible at this point 170 00:10:13,740 --> 00:10:15,840 because there's so many unanswered questions. 171 00:10:15,940 --> 00:10:18,150 These questions started coming out in the beginning 172 00:10:18,250 --> 00:10:22,920 and just really fueling the media frenzy around the case. 173 00:10:24,650 --> 00:10:27,420 SHEEHAN: I've been a field reporter for theNew York Post, 174 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,760 going on 14 years, and I've seen some of the most horrific shit 175 00:10:31,860 --> 00:10:34,900 that anybody has ever seen that people shouldn't see. 176 00:10:35,930 --> 00:10:36,930 FITZGIBBON: I've covered crime. 177 00:10:37,030 --> 00:10:39,230 I've covered courts, police 178 00:10:39,330 --> 00:10:40,940 for almost four decades. 179 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,870 We are the blue collar paper on Long Island. 180 00:10:45,970 --> 00:10:49,180 The everyday New Yorker reads the New York Post. 181 00:10:50,510 --> 00:10:54,980 What sells is this hunger for the sensational. 182 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,120 You don't get more sensational than a serial killer. 183 00:10:58,220 --> 00:11:00,990 A lot of it is the monster among us. 184 00:11:01,090 --> 00:11:03,990 The fact that my neighbor could be this horrific killer. 185 00:11:04,090 --> 00:11:06,230 It just captures the imagination. Always has. 186 00:11:06,330 --> 00:11:08,960 You know, from Jack the Ripper on down. 187 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:13,600 I don't think it's a coincidence that four bodies 188 00:11:13,700 --> 00:11:15,470 ended up in this area. 189 00:11:15,570 --> 00:11:18,410 We're looking at that, that we could have a serial killer. 190 00:11:18,510 --> 00:11:19,740 So it becomes very obvious 191 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,680 to the police commissioner at the time. 192 00:11:21,780 --> 00:11:24,150 We have a serial killer on our hands. 193 00:11:24,250 --> 00:11:28,050 And then fast forward about a month later... 194 00:11:28,150 --> 00:11:29,780 REPORTER: We are following some breaking news 195 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,750 out of Long Island, New York. 196 00:11:33,090 --> 00:11:35,860 The medical examiner in Suffolk County identified the remains 197 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,930 of all four bodies found last month. 198 00:11:39,030 --> 00:11:41,860 The Gilgo four are identified and we learn that 199 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,630 they're Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 200 00:11:43,730 --> 00:11:45,170 Melissa Barthelemy, 201 00:11:45,270 --> 00:11:48,840 Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello. 202 00:11:50,340 --> 00:11:52,340 REPORTER 1: Maureen Brainard-Barnes, a mother of two, 203 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,780 was working as a Craigslist escort in Manhattan, 204 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,810 and disappeared in July 2007. 205 00:11:58,910 --> 00:12:01,750 REPORTER 2: After placing an ad on Craigslist, 206 00:12:01,850 --> 00:12:05,050 Melissa vanished in July 2009. 207 00:12:05,150 --> 00:12:06,960 REPORTER 3: Megan Waterman went missing in June 208 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:08,320 after agreeing to see a client 209 00:12:08,420 --> 00:12:10,160 on Long Island through Craigslist. 210 00:12:10,260 --> 00:12:12,030 REPORTER 4: Amber, a sex worker, 211 00:12:12,130 --> 00:12:15,730 was murdered around September 2nd, 2010. 212 00:12:15,830 --> 00:12:17,400 It really made me sick. 213 00:12:17,500 --> 00:12:20,440 If there were many more bodies out there, we want to find them. 214 00:12:20,540 --> 00:12:23,940 It's one of the most intense cases I've ever covered. 215 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,470 People should be on very, very high alert. 216 00:12:26,570 --> 00:12:28,580 How sadistic is this person? 217 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:32,480 DORMER: These young women were abused and raped and killed. 218 00:12:32,580 --> 00:12:33,820 What is he capable of? 219 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,450 ...how another body found in the same area. 220 00:12:37,550 --> 00:12:39,020 He's a monster. 221 00:12:44,890 --> 00:12:46,290 [***] 222 00:12:46,390 --> 00:12:49,030 REPORTER 1: It started as an effort to find clues 223 00:12:49,130 --> 00:12:51,270 in the case of a missing woman, Shannan Gilbert. 224 00:12:51,370 --> 00:12:54,570 I'd like to report that we found human remains. 225 00:12:54,670 --> 00:12:58,510 REPORTER 2: Four bodies wrapped in burlap, dumped alongside Ocean Parkway. 226 00:12:58,610 --> 00:13:01,480 REPORTER 1: That search has turned into a gruesome murder mystery, 227 00:13:01,580 --> 00:13:05,110 with evidence that suggests a serial killer is on the loose. 228 00:13:05,210 --> 00:13:07,780 We're looking at that, that we could have a serial killer. 229 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,120 REPORTER 2: These grim discoveries mark the third serial killer murders 230 00:13:11,220 --> 00:13:13,660 involving prostitutes here on Long Island 231 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,490 in more than two decades. 232 00:13:17,230 --> 00:13:19,290 Long Island has a notorious history 233 00:13:19,390 --> 00:13:22,560 for really disturbing murder cases. 234 00:13:22,660 --> 00:13:26,530 REPORTER 2: An unknown woman was found murdered in a pickup truck. 235 00:13:26,630 --> 00:13:28,300 And serial killers. 236 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,510 We had the Amityville Horror, Ronald DeFeo Jr. 237 00:13:31,610 --> 00:13:34,880 REPORTER 1: It remains one of Long Island's most disturbing crimes. 238 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:36,750 Six members of the DeFeo family 239 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:39,950 were gunned down in their Amityville home. 240 00:13:40,050 --> 00:13:41,450 MURPHY: Back in the early '90s, 241 00:13:41,550 --> 00:13:44,320 Joel Rifkin had graveyards all over the place 242 00:13:44,420 --> 00:13:46,520 where he would dump parts of bodies. 243 00:13:46,620 --> 00:13:48,820 REPORTER 2: The landscaper is suspected of being involved 244 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,090 in the deaths of 18 women, 245 00:13:50,190 --> 00:13:51,890 several of whom were sex workers. 246 00:13:51,990 --> 00:13:53,360 MURPHY: We had Robert Schulman. 247 00:13:53,460 --> 00:13:55,200 REPORTER 2: After he fatally assaulted them, 248 00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:58,800 he took a knife and a saw and cut off their limbs. 249 00:13:58,900 --> 00:14:00,340 Have anything to say at all? 250 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,470 Then there was John Bittrolff. 251 00:14:02,570 --> 00:14:04,510 REPORTER 1: Bittrolff is facing charges 252 00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:07,310 for two murders and is a suspect for a third. 253 00:14:07,410 --> 00:14:09,180 Three women were beaten, suffocated, 254 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,280 and found undressed in distinct poses. 255 00:14:12,380 --> 00:14:18,090 So there's a rich history of serial killer activity 256 00:14:18,190 --> 00:14:23,890 and gruesome murder on this relatively isolated island 257 00:14:23,990 --> 00:14:25,730 in New York City's backyard. 258 00:14:25,830 --> 00:14:27,200 I've covered it all, 259 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:29,230 and I've never seen a serial killer case 260 00:14:29,330 --> 00:14:32,700 like the Long Island serial killer. 261 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:33,900 It's sort of on another level. 262 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,670 This guy, whoever it was, 263 00:14:35,770 --> 00:14:37,240 was eluding the authorities, 264 00:14:37,340 --> 00:14:40,680 and really confounding not only the reporters, 265 00:14:40,780 --> 00:14:42,310 but the community. 266 00:14:45,210 --> 00:14:47,220 CANN: Why did you pick her? 267 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,250 How did you pick her? How did you get her? 268 00:14:50,350 --> 00:14:54,820 You know, did my sister cry? Did she beg? You know? 269 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,060 Did she say, "Please, please?" Like, "I have kids." Like... 270 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,300 I'm afraid that they'll never find this person 271 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,830 and he'll continue to keep on killing girls. 272 00:15:03,930 --> 00:15:06,570 And it's a horrible feeling. 273 00:15:06,670 --> 00:15:11,640 It is true. As the case progresses, as time passes on, 274 00:15:11,740 --> 00:15:12,940 he may get sloppy. 275 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,280 He may make mistakes. 276 00:15:14,380 --> 00:15:17,580 But he hasn't done that up until now. 277 00:15:20,050 --> 00:15:21,980 [***] 278 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,280 RYDER: So... 279 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,520 when you're an investigator, 280 00:15:27,620 --> 00:15:31,630 your job is to give that family relief. 281 00:15:33,130 --> 00:15:35,060 Your job is to speak for the victims. 282 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,000 Your job is to comfort the families of those victims. 283 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:41,240 You also have a job to solve it. 284 00:15:42,140 --> 00:15:43,910 Let me first thank everybody 285 00:15:44,010 --> 00:15:45,940 for coming on such short notice. 286 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,580 What is now very clear 287 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,350 is that the area in and around Gilgo Beach 288 00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:57,090 has been used to discard human remains for some period of time. 289 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,420 TIRELLI: In the beginning, I think 290 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,590 that the Suffolk County Police Department, 291 00:16:01,690 --> 00:16:04,390 and the agencies that were working with them 292 00:16:04,490 --> 00:16:08,360 took a lot of good investigative steps to try to find this guy. 293 00:16:10,370 --> 00:16:13,870 MURPHY: The first year of the case, the FBI was involved. 294 00:16:13,970 --> 00:16:15,570 Chief Dominick Varrone 295 00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:18,610 was the head of the detective bureau in Suffolk County. 296 00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:22,040 He said he had meetings with Geraldine Hart, 297 00:16:22,140 --> 00:16:24,280 an FBI agent here on Long Island. 298 00:16:24,380 --> 00:16:26,750 They were actually starting to work with the cell phone data 299 00:16:26,850 --> 00:16:29,450 that they were able to get from the victims' phones. 300 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,920 Maureen Brainard-Barnes was last seen alive 301 00:16:33,020 --> 00:16:36,320 on July 9th, 2007. 302 00:16:36,420 --> 00:16:38,690 But three days before, she started getting 303 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:42,730 a series of phone calls from a burner phone. 304 00:16:42,830 --> 00:16:47,370 Then, three days after Maureen Brainard-Barnes disappears, 305 00:16:47,470 --> 00:16:51,370 there are two outbound calls made from her cell phone 306 00:16:51,470 --> 00:16:54,280 near the Long Island Expressway in Suffolk County. 307 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,550 Melissa Barthelemy disappeared on July 10th 2009. 308 00:17:03,650 --> 00:17:05,820 About a week before she vanished, 309 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,990 her cell phone was contacted by a burner phone. 310 00:17:09,090 --> 00:17:13,190 And then on July 10th, the day she went missing, 311 00:17:13,290 --> 00:17:15,560 that burner phone traveled 312 00:17:15,660 --> 00:17:19,500 from Massapequa Park on Long Island to Midtown Manhattan. 313 00:17:22,300 --> 00:17:24,240 And then later that evening... 314 00:17:25,370 --> 00:17:28,040 Melissa Barthelemy's cell phone traveled 315 00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:31,680 from Midtown Manhattan out to Massapequa Park. 316 00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:37,790 The next day, Melissa's phone pings at a cell site 317 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:40,460 in Massapequa at 1:43 a.m. 318 00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:47,400 So there are important clues here that detectives 319 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:50,430 are picking up on at this early stage. 320 00:17:50,530 --> 00:17:53,200 First, the killer is using burner phones 321 00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:54,500 as part of his MO. 322 00:17:55,470 --> 00:17:57,470 Secondly, investigators now know 323 00:17:57,570 --> 00:18:01,340 that there's three general areas where the story is unfolding. 324 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,310 Nassau County, where Massapequa is. 325 00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:08,150 Suffolk County, where Gilgo Beach is. 326 00:18:08,250 --> 00:18:09,880 And Midtown Manhattan. 327 00:18:09,980 --> 00:18:14,020 Now, Gilgo Four investigators dig deeper and reexamine a clue 328 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:17,290 from the original investigation into Melissa's disappearance 329 00:18:17,390 --> 00:18:21,660 almost two years earlier, in April 2009. 330 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,400 Within a week of Melissa Barthelemy's disappearance, 331 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:27,040 her teenage sister starts to receive 332 00:18:27,140 --> 00:18:29,870 a series of very sick and twisted calls 333 00:18:29,970 --> 00:18:33,240 from a man that's using Melissa's cell phone. 334 00:18:35,310 --> 00:18:38,650 She was just 15 years old when she received a phone call 335 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:41,150 she says, "was straight out of a horror movie." 336 00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:43,620 There are some diary entries 337 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,460 that Melissa Barthelemy's teenage sister Amanda made. 338 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,790 Have you figured out who this is? 339 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,660 No. Where's my sister? 340 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,130 Are you gonna be a whore like your sister now? 341 00:18:58,230 --> 00:19:01,740 No. Where is my sister? 342 00:19:02,540 --> 00:19:05,740 She's dead. I killed her. 343 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,550 They're very taunting and angry words. He obviously enjoys it. 344 00:19:13,650 --> 00:19:18,020 And he's sick in the head. I'm scared of my own protection. 345 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:21,690 ALGAR: Now, in 2011, during the Gilgo investigation, 346 00:19:21,790 --> 00:19:24,660 an FBI team that was working on the case, 347 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,500 they were able to track these calls to a degree. 348 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,630 Investigators were able to triangulate 349 00:19:31,730 --> 00:19:34,100 the phone calls made from Melissa's phone 350 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,840 to her sister, Amanda. 351 00:19:35,940 --> 00:19:39,670 The caller kept them brief, and there was an early theory 352 00:19:39,770 --> 00:19:42,610 that he knew that if you stayed on the line 353 00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:45,850 for a certain amount of time, you could get a precise trace. 354 00:19:45,950 --> 00:19:50,750 He seemed cognizant of that and ended the calls early. 355 00:19:50,850 --> 00:19:53,090 And we're wondering what's going on here. 356 00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:54,790 How sophisticated is this guy? 357 00:19:54,890 --> 00:19:57,090 Does he have a law enforcement background? 358 00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:58,830 Does he know how to cover his tracks? 359 00:19:58,930 --> 00:20:01,330 We're asking ourselves all these questions 360 00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:03,630 because they're not finding the guy. 361 00:20:03,730 --> 00:20:06,800 ALGAR: Still, they were able to track the phone calls. 362 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:08,340 To Times Square, 363 00:20:09,170 --> 00:20:11,070 Madison Square Garden 364 00:20:11,170 --> 00:20:12,640 and Massapequa Park. 365 00:20:16,180 --> 00:20:18,550 So, there was finally some solidity 366 00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:21,350 to the origins of this person. 367 00:20:23,650 --> 00:20:25,450 Once this information was released, 368 00:20:25,550 --> 00:20:27,960 and you had two zones of interest. 369 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:30,430 Massapequa and Manhattan. 370 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:34,100 We were asking ourselves, 371 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,470 did this person live in Massapequa 372 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:41,740 and live some quiet suburban life there? 373 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,880 And did he commute into Manhattan every day? 374 00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:53,350 FITZGIBBON: We reported this April 10th, 2011 375 00:20:53,450 --> 00:20:55,920 and asked the question, "Did her murderer 376 00:20:56,020 --> 00:20:59,590 work in Midtown and commute from Long Island?" 377 00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:07,830 MURPHY: So, detectives now have a general idea 378 00:21:07,930 --> 00:21:11,270 of where the killer traveled to and from, 379 00:21:11,370 --> 00:21:13,940 and then they learn more. 380 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,640 Shortly after the bodies were identified in January of 2011, 381 00:21:17,740 --> 00:21:21,140 police went to the home of Amber Costello. 382 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,010 One of the Gilgo Four. 383 00:21:24,110 --> 00:21:27,950 And they interviewed her roommate, Dave Schaller. 384 00:21:29,950 --> 00:21:33,760 McGARVEY: In the days leading up to Amber's disappearance, 385 00:21:33,860 --> 00:21:37,790 Amber and Dave had been running a ruse in the house 386 00:21:37,890 --> 00:21:40,800 where Amber would invite a John over 387 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:44,470 and Dave would bust out in the middle of the meeting 388 00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:46,600 and pretend to be an outraged boyfriend. 389 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:49,400 Thus scaring the John away. 390 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:51,970 And then Amber pockets the money. 391 00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:56,080 That's the ruse that they run on a very particular client. 392 00:21:56,180 --> 00:21:58,650 The day before Amber disappears. 393 00:21:58,750 --> 00:22:00,780 MURPHY: On September 1st, 2010, 394 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,120 this client accesses her Backpage ad. 395 00:22:04,220 --> 00:22:07,120 The investigators check Amber's cell phone records 396 00:22:07,220 --> 00:22:08,520 and see that a burner phone 397 00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:10,460 between Massapequa and Amityville 398 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,330 contacts Amber Costello. 399 00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:14,830 Not long after that, 400 00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:18,100 the burner phone travels toward West Babylon, 401 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,870 where Amber Costello lives. 402 00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:23,710 [***] 403 00:22:25,410 --> 00:22:26,740 This client... 404 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,740 shows up. 405 00:22:31,450 --> 00:22:32,910 He's in the house. 406 00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:37,490 And apparently pays his money. 407 00:22:38,620 --> 00:22:39,990 McGARVEY: Dave busts out. 408 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:43,960 Runs the client off. 409 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:50,330 And Amber pockets the money. 410 00:22:50,430 --> 00:22:51,870 But this time... 411 00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:55,540 ...the client continues to contact her. 412 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,370 He sends a text message. 413 00:22:57,470 --> 00:22:59,040 [PHONE CHIMES] 414 00:22:59,140 --> 00:23:00,410 "That was not so nice. 415 00:23:00,510 --> 00:23:02,680 Do I get credit for next time?" 416 00:23:03,650 --> 00:23:06,310 Within two minutes of that text being sent, 417 00:23:06,410 --> 00:23:07,650 the cell site indicates that 418 00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:09,880 the burner phone is in Massapequa Park. 419 00:23:09,980 --> 00:23:13,220 So the next night, this same burner phone 420 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,360 pings in Midtown Manhattan. 421 00:23:15,460 --> 00:23:17,930 Then it pings in Massapequa. 422 00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:21,700 And then it ends up pinging where Amber Costello lives. 423 00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:28,940 The next night, Amber Costello tells her roommate, 424 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,740 Dave Schaller, that she's going to see this same client. 425 00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:39,050 And of course, she never came back. 426 00:23:41,650 --> 00:23:46,390 ALGAR: Schaller told police that this client resembled an ogre, 427 00:23:46,490 --> 00:23:49,190 and he was around 6'4" inches tall. 428 00:23:49,290 --> 00:23:54,530 This guy was so relentless, he called several times. 429 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,030 This is somebody that I've seen. 430 00:23:57,130 --> 00:24:00,670 I might be the one of the only people who knows who he is. 431 00:24:00,770 --> 00:24:03,440 MURPHY: He was described as this hulking man 432 00:24:03,540 --> 00:24:05,040 who looked like an ogre. 433 00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:10,550 He wore these sort of large glasses. He had bushy hair. 434 00:24:11,580 --> 00:24:14,520 Equally significant, Schaller says 435 00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:16,820 that he was driving a unique vehicle. 436 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,760 A dark green, first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche. 437 00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:27,630 MURPHY: By the end of 2011... 438 00:24:29,030 --> 00:24:31,470 All within the first year of the case. 439 00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:33,740 [PHONES RINGING] 440 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,110 Just think about what the investigators already have. 441 00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:41,580 A description of the killer. 442 00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:46,010 The make and model of his car. 443 00:24:46,110 --> 00:24:49,050 And a pretty good idea of the area where he travels... 444 00:24:50,420 --> 00:24:52,750 Between Long Island and Manhattan. 445 00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:54,390 ANNOUNCER [OVER PA]: Penn Station. 446 00:24:54,490 --> 00:24:56,520 Clearly, he is very knowledgeable 447 00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:59,130 about the Gilgo Beach area. 448 00:25:01,060 --> 00:25:03,200 It's very deserted. It's very desolate. 449 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:06,800 Which implies that he either works in that area 450 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:10,040 or he lives in that area. 451 00:25:10,140 --> 00:25:14,440 Investigators were actually closer to targeting a suspect 452 00:25:14,540 --> 00:25:16,080 than they ever had been. 453 00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:19,750 ALGAR: So the obvious question is 454 00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:22,080 why didn't investigators take the next step? 455 00:25:22,180 --> 00:25:25,920 Why does this case continue to drag on for another decade? 456 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:28,820 And in that time, does the killer become more emboldened? 457 00:25:30,130 --> 00:25:33,960 Hunting and killing and stalking without any fear of reprisal? 458 00:25:34,060 --> 00:25:37,130 How many more women have to die before he's caught? 459 00:25:41,370 --> 00:25:45,840 [***] 460 00:25:45,940 --> 00:25:47,980 REPORTER: These mothers, stepdads, 461 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,910 aunts and other relatives gathered for a vigil 462 00:25:51,010 --> 00:25:53,080 in remembrance of three young women 463 00:25:53,180 --> 00:25:56,750 whose remains were discovered and identified in this area. 464 00:26:00,590 --> 00:26:05,290 ELA: We have a lot of questions that we want answers to. 465 00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:06,660 You know who you are. 466 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,860 You know what you did to these women. 467 00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:11,730 Somebody out there knows something. 468 00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:14,070 Somebody had seen something. 469 00:26:14,170 --> 00:26:15,740 Don't be afraid. 470 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,970 You turn this person in, 471 00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:21,280 you're gonna save another human's life. 472 00:26:23,140 --> 00:26:24,910 BARTHELEMY: You're a very weak man. 473 00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:28,620 You prey on small, innocent girls, 474 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,750 and we're gonna get you. 475 00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:35,790 McGARVEY: As the families of the Gilgo Four 476 00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:37,990 are gathering for their daughters, 477 00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:42,600 something honestly unbelievable happens. 478 00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:45,070 Shannan's body's discovered. 479 00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:48,670 REPORTER: The woman they've been looking for, Shannan Gilbert. 480 00:26:48,770 --> 00:26:52,870 Police believe they have finally found her remains. 481 00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:55,240 DORMER: We believe that Shannan Gilbert 482 00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:58,510 ran into that area the night that she disappeared. 483 00:26:58,610 --> 00:27:00,550 And looking at the terrain, 484 00:27:00,650 --> 00:27:03,990 it's very easy to get engulfed with water 485 00:27:04,090 --> 00:27:07,760 and fall down and not be able to get out of there. 486 00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:11,390 So we surmise that that's what happened to Shannan. 487 00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:15,930 McGARVEY: Law enforcement said that she had drowned. 488 00:27:16,030 --> 00:27:19,400 But the official autopsy report 489 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:22,040 listed her death as undetermined. 490 00:27:22,140 --> 00:27:25,670 And I think even at one point, said death by misadventure. 491 00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:28,540 It seemed to be victim blaming. 492 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,980 And you have to ask yourself, 493 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,080 is it because she was a sex worker? 494 00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:37,950 REPORTER: These women were reportedly prostitutes or escorts, 495 00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:41,490 and how does that affect an investigation? 496 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:43,060 I'll be very frank about it. 497 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,830 Will it get the exact same amount 498 00:27:44,930 --> 00:27:46,330 of close attention and manpower 499 00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:49,560 that say a missing schoolteacher in Central Park might get? 500 00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:51,200 The reality is they will not. 501 00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:54,100 Let's face it, they have sex with strangers for money. 502 00:27:55,170 --> 00:27:56,710 McGARVEY: The subtle message that 503 00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:57,940 was coming out during this time 504 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,570 was like, "If you don't wanna get killed, 505 00:27:59,670 --> 00:28:00,780 don't be a sex worker." 506 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,410 They were all beautiful women. 507 00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:09,020 They weren't just prostitutes, as everybody is saying. 508 00:28:10,450 --> 00:28:12,850 RYDER: It's been spun a lot of different ways. 509 00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:15,160 I don't care what your occupation is, 510 00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:17,360 what your race, religion, gender is. 511 00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:21,030 You're a victim of ours, we'll give you everything we got. 512 00:28:21,130 --> 00:28:26,840 We are driven by a passion to give victims closure. 513 00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:31,310 TOULON: I can tell you the original investigators had one goal. 514 00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:35,240 Bring the person who has killed those women to justice. 515 00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:38,080 RYDER: They're women. 516 00:28:38,180 --> 00:28:39,810 They're women that were murdered. 517 00:28:39,910 --> 00:28:41,180 They're victims. 518 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,490 But sometimes these things take time. 519 00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:46,290 They're not done overnight. 520 00:28:49,420 --> 00:28:51,490 ALGAR: So law enforcement has all of this information 521 00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:55,330 about these women all the way back in 2011. 522 00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:58,270 And remember, they also had solid information 523 00:28:58,370 --> 00:29:02,000 about the man who targeted and killed them. 524 00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:05,170 RYDER: Their profile told them the killer was a big man, 525 00:29:05,270 --> 00:29:06,270 kind of a recluse. 526 00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:08,740 Who either drove a Chevy Avalanche 527 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,110 or had access to one. 528 00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:13,580 He probably lived in a middle-class community 529 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,620 on Long Island. 530 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,990 The man had a job. 531 00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:20,190 He likely commuted every day, 532 00:29:20,290 --> 00:29:22,760 like thousands of people in Nassau County do 533 00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:24,160 every day to Manhattan. 534 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,000 McGARVEY: And then at the end of 2011, 535 00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:30,300 with all of this forward momentum on the case, 536 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,540 there was an election. Which means new appointments. 537 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,240 There was a changing of the guard in Suffolk County, 538 00:29:36,340 --> 00:29:39,540 and a new Chief of Police comes in. 539 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,110 A guy named James Burke. And everything changed. 540 00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:46,580 James Burke inherited the Gilgo Beach case 541 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,550 when he became Chief of Suffolk County Police in 2012. 542 00:29:50,650 --> 00:29:53,190 TIRELLI: Jimmy Burke was a friend of mine. 543 00:29:53,290 --> 00:29:57,090 Jimmy was actually one of the smartest men I've ever met. 544 00:29:57,830 --> 00:30:00,230 But he had these demons in him. 545 00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:03,670 McGARVEY: Before he was appointed, 546 00:30:03,770 --> 00:30:05,330 an anonymous letter was even written 547 00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:08,040 about this guy warning Suffolk County 548 00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:11,170 not to appoint him as Chief of Police. 549 00:30:11,270 --> 00:30:14,180 ALGAR: Burke's unquenchable taste for prostitutes 550 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,280 and his aggressive sexual appetites, 551 00:30:16,380 --> 00:30:18,910 his presence at swingers parties, 552 00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:21,050 those tales were not rare. 553 00:30:21,150 --> 00:30:23,990 But he seemed to be invincible to scrutiny 554 00:30:24,090 --> 00:30:25,990 or discipline or punishment. 555 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,190 MURPHY: Now he's taking over. 556 00:30:28,290 --> 00:30:30,330 He's the new sheriff in town. 557 00:30:30,430 --> 00:30:32,460 And he basically does whatever he wants. 558 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,300 James Burke decided to remove several members 559 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,570 from the task force that were working 560 00:30:39,670 --> 00:30:41,140 to try and solve this case. 561 00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:44,140 ALGAR: He wanted his own regime. 562 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,170 He wanted to get rid of anyone 563 00:30:46,270 --> 00:30:48,540 who might have any competing loyalties prior to him. 564 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,880 There were the Chief of Detectives, Dominick Varrone, 565 00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:53,250 who had 40 years on the job, 566 00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:55,950 had tremendous institutional knowledge... 567 00:30:56,050 --> 00:31:00,320 was simply taken off the case. He wasn't even debriefed. 568 00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:02,990 TOULON: And then there's Geraldine Hart, 569 00:31:03,090 --> 00:31:06,560 FBI Supervisory Agent for Long Island. 570 00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:10,500 The Gilgo Beach investigation is perhaps the most well-known 571 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,240 and complex that this department has ever undertaken. 572 00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:18,310 She was also removed from the task force by James Burke. 573 00:31:19,540 --> 00:31:22,080 Why is that important? It's important because 574 00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:24,010 the people who had been investigating Gilgo 575 00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:27,950 up until that point did not relay their findings 576 00:31:28,050 --> 00:31:30,890 to the next group of Burke's personnel 577 00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:32,320 who would take up the case. 578 00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:39,260 Removing a partner like the FBI who has vast resources, 579 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,560 especially the forensic capabilities that they had, 580 00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:46,630 tragically, it makes it harder for this case to be solved. 581 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,370 ALGAR: One of the theories at the time 582 00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:52,070 was simply that the Suffolk Police 583 00:31:52,170 --> 00:31:53,710 wanted credit for cracking it, 584 00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:56,950 as opposed to federal investigators. 585 00:31:57,050 --> 00:31:58,710 So perhaps a case of hubris. 586 00:31:58,810 --> 00:32:02,680 These are people encroaching on our investigative territory. 587 00:32:02,780 --> 00:32:04,090 So let's keep them at bay. 588 00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:05,750 Once this case is solved, 589 00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:09,390 we want to be able to raise the trophy for our department 590 00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:14,530 that will benefit Burke's career and all those around him. 591 00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:21,240 It turns out, though, that's not the reason why he did it. 592 00:32:24,210 --> 00:32:26,010 My name is Alexis Linkletter, 593 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:28,140 and I am an investigative journalist, 594 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,480 podcaster, and I'm from Long Island. 595 00:32:32,580 --> 00:32:38,150 This case essentially fell into my lap between 2012 and 2013 596 00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:40,890 when Chris Loeb, a guy I went to high school with, 597 00:32:40,990 --> 00:32:42,690 a guy I'd known since seventh grade, 598 00:32:42,790 --> 00:32:48,430 essentially found himself at the center of this insane story. 599 00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:50,300 REPORTER: After years of controversy 600 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,400 surrounding guns and a sex worker, 601 00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:56,140 the Suffolk County Police Chief resigned today. 602 00:32:57,210 --> 00:32:59,070 MURPHY: James Burke was arrested 603 00:32:59,170 --> 00:33:02,440 for the cover up of an assault on a suspect, Chris Loeb. 604 00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:05,780 REPORTER: Christopher Loeb of Smithtown, was taken into custody 605 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,380 for stealing belongings from Burke's department-issued car, 606 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,250 which was parked outside his home. 607 00:33:10,350 --> 00:33:13,960 That wouldn't necessarily have been particularly interesting, 608 00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:16,930 except for what was found inside the duffel bag. 609 00:33:17,030 --> 00:33:23,330 Which was sex toys, pornography, and other just strange items 610 00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:25,830 that you wouldn't expect a Police Chief to have 611 00:33:25,930 --> 00:33:27,600 in his department-issued SUV. 612 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,480 LINKLETTER: After this happened, Chris is brought back 613 00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:40,050 to Suffolk County Police Headquarters, 614 00:33:40,150 --> 00:33:42,050 and he's chained to a floor. 615 00:33:42,150 --> 00:33:43,750 He's beaten for hours. 616 00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:45,650 He's taunted by James Burke 617 00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:48,290 and several of his subordinate officers. 618 00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:51,430 REPORTER: Burke has now pled guilty to federal charges 619 00:33:51,530 --> 00:33:55,130 of assaulting a suspect and conspiring to cover it up. 620 00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:57,630 FITZGIBBON: This whole part of the story is so extraordinary. 621 00:33:57,730 --> 00:34:00,540 One has to ask, how much did the Burke scandal 622 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,070 impact the Long Island serial killer investigation? 623 00:34:04,170 --> 00:34:05,610 It has a huge impact because 624 00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:07,640 it happens during this critical period, 625 00:34:07,740 --> 00:34:10,010 where the original Gilgo investigation 626 00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:12,610 actually had made some very good progress. 627 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,220 ALGAR: Remember, Suffolk County investigators 628 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,450 had this profile of an ogre 629 00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:22,160 who lived somewhere in Massapequa Park. 630 00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:25,230 Who works somewhere in Midtown Manhattan. 631 00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:27,430 Who either once owned 632 00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:30,570 or still owns a Chevy Avalanche. 633 00:34:30,670 --> 00:34:33,030 And because of this corruption in the SCPD, 634 00:34:33,130 --> 00:34:37,540 he's been given this five-year grace period to live his life. 635 00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:42,410 Did this person continue to commit murder? 636 00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:45,380 What if they moved away from Long Island? 637 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,950 I had pretty much given up hope at this point. 638 00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:52,190 Will investigators ever find the Long Island serial killer? 639 00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:54,520 [***] 640 00:34:59,790 --> 00:35:03,260 [***] 641 00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:08,700 ALGAR: So, after James Burke is ousted 642 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,210 as Suffolk County police chief in 2015, 643 00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:14,840 the investigation into the Long Island serial killer 644 00:35:14,940 --> 00:35:17,810 pretty much slows to a crawl for the next three years. 645 00:35:22,580 --> 00:35:26,760 But in the spring of 2018, the Suffolk County Executive 646 00:35:26,860 --> 00:35:31,730 selected Geraldine Hart as the Police Commissioner. 647 00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:33,400 Ironically, Geraldine Hart 648 00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:35,860 was a former FBI Supervisory Agent 649 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,100 for Long Island who was actually removed from the Task Force 650 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,740 originally by then Police Chief James Burke. 651 00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:44,610 MURPHY: All of a sudden, we hear 652 00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:46,640 there's going to be a press conference 653 00:35:46,740 --> 00:35:50,750 about this piece of evidence never seen before. 654 00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:54,450 I would first like to introduce 655 00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:56,050 Suffolk County Police Commissioner 656 00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:57,690 Geraldine Hart. 657 00:35:57,790 --> 00:36:01,860 Today we are releasing a significant piece of evidence 658 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,160 found at one of the crime scenes along Ocean Parkway. 659 00:36:06,260 --> 00:36:08,530 A black leather belt. 660 00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:15,870 Embossed with the letters HM or WH was recovered 661 00:36:15,970 --> 00:36:19,940 during the initial stages of this investigation. 662 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:27,050 We believe that the belt was handled by the suspect 663 00:36:27,150 --> 00:36:31,990 and did not belong to any of the victims. 664 00:36:32,090 --> 00:36:33,720 There have long been questions. 665 00:36:33,820 --> 00:36:35,920 What size is the waist of the belt? 666 00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:39,660 It wasn't long after that the police release a video 667 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,500 of Megan Waterman, one of the Gilgo Four. 668 00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:45,030 MURPHY: Megan Waterman is last seen 669 00:36:45,130 --> 00:36:49,100 leaving the Holiday Inn Express in Hauppauge, Long Island. 670 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,540 She's in the lobby at the desk. 671 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,780 And then she just walks out that door. 672 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:55,780 And vanishes. 673 00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:01,150 ALGAR: At this point, there is now a steady 674 00:37:01,250 --> 00:37:04,150 dispersal of new evidence from the new regime 675 00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:06,860 in Suffolk County police headquarters. 676 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,020 They created enough momentum at this point 677 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,830 to start to spur some questions if they were closing in. 678 00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:16,160 Did they have a suspect? 679 00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:20,970 Are they releasing these items to perhaps get a reaction... 680 00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:24,510 from the person who's on their radar? 681 00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:26,170 There was this big rev up 682 00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:29,540 which really made us feel like they were about to solve it. 683 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,050 But then, it just dropped off again. 684 00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:35,920 And it was quiet again. 685 00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:41,690 [***] 686 00:37:41,790 --> 00:37:46,060 MAN: With a serial killer like this, the thrill is in the kill. 687 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,030 What really drives him is not sex 688 00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:52,700 but rather the power over another human being. 689 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,020 TOULON: But it's not really until 2022 when everything changed. 690 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,620 You have Ray Tierney 691 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,690 that's elected as a District Attorney. 692 00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:14,960 One of the first things that Ray Tierney said to me was: 693 00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:19,260 "I wanna work with the sheriff's office on every case possible, 694 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,330 including Gilgo. 695 00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:22,960 And then a few months later, 696 00:38:23,060 --> 00:38:25,730 Rodney Harrison is now selected as the Police Commissioner. 697 00:38:25,830 --> 00:38:30,510 REPORTER: Rodney Harrison's career with the NYPD leads to a new role 698 00:38:30,610 --> 00:38:32,270 as he steps in as the commissioner 699 00:38:32,370 --> 00:38:34,510 of the Suffolk County Police Department. 700 00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:37,180 This is a bittersweet moment for me. 701 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,250 TOULON: Rodney Harrison, who is a former chief of police 702 00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:41,680 with the New York City Police Department, 703 00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:43,620 was also chief of detectives. 704 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,760 A wealth of experience when it comes to investigations. 705 00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:48,690 He came into this building... 706 00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:53,830 And said to me, he met with my staff, he goes: 707 00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:56,500 "We're gonna work collaboratively on everything, 708 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,270 and there's not gonna be any silos." 709 00:38:59,370 --> 00:39:05,940 We will not rest until we bring those accountable to justice. 710 00:39:07,740 --> 00:39:10,680 That solving this serial case 711 00:39:10,780 --> 00:39:12,750 is gonna be very, very important to me. 712 00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:17,290 He announced the creation of a task force 713 00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:19,690 dedicated solely to the Gilgo case. 714 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,260 And he used language that we had not heard 715 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,130 in a very long time. 716 00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:35,470 TIRELLI: Now remember, the early investigation 717 00:39:35,570 --> 00:39:37,840 turned up a lot of clues. 718 00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:39,710 There was a lot of meat on the bone. 719 00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:42,410 Now, he's doing the legwork. It's a puzzle. 720 00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:43,980 You're putting pieces in, 721 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,150 and at the end, you assemble a puzzle. 722 00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:49,320 About a year after they found the bodies, 723 00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:51,850 Suffolk County PD had two specific areas 724 00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:54,120 that were of great interest to them. 725 00:39:57,930 --> 00:40:01,900 REPORTER: Cell data traced the killer's calls to New York City. 726 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,570 And also to Massapequa Park in Long Island. 727 00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:08,800 Now, the task force and the FBI reexamined 728 00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:11,810 the cell phone data from the time of the murders. 729 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,210 There's an area of a confluence of cell phone towers, 730 00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:17,880 and that was mapped out. 731 00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:21,880 They called it the box. 732 00:40:24,850 --> 00:40:28,360 One box was in Massapequa on Long Island, 733 00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:30,790 and one box was in Manhattan. 734 00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:34,530 Somewhere in this area, it's a possibility 735 00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:38,130 that the killer lived within Massapequa's box. 736 00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:44,170 But so did 500 other families. 737 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,510 FITZGIBBON: But it's not as if police didn't have 738 00:40:49,610 --> 00:40:51,710 some very specific clues to work with. 739 00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:58,650 Back in 2010, Amber Costello's roommate, David Schaller, 740 00:40:58,750 --> 00:41:00,690 had given investigators a description 741 00:41:00,790 --> 00:41:02,890 of both the suspect and his vehicle. 742 00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:07,060 MURPHY: Dave Schaller remembered this hulking man 743 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,670 that came into the house on September 1st, 2010 744 00:41:10,770 --> 00:41:12,430 who looked like an ogre. 745 00:41:12,530 --> 00:41:14,570 [KNOCKING ON DOOR] 746 00:41:14,670 --> 00:41:19,010 He was described as being between 6-foot-4 and 6-foot-6. 747 00:41:19,110 --> 00:41:21,840 And then when he ran out of that house, the vehicle was seen. 748 00:41:21,940 --> 00:41:25,380 And apparently, this vehicle was a first generation 749 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,950 dark green Chevy Avalanche. 750 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,850 It was an unusual vehicle. 751 00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:32,990 I don't wanna Monday morning quarterback anyone. 752 00:41:33,090 --> 00:41:36,790 But if I get a specific vehicle... 753 00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:42,000 without a plate, what we do is we'll run a search. 754 00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:45,200 So the state police plug that Avalanche in, 755 00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:47,970 and they give you every Avalanche that color 756 00:41:48,070 --> 00:41:51,710 in Massapequa, Nassau County, whatever you give them, 757 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,740 and they'll give you all those cars. 758 00:41:59,380 --> 00:42:02,950 So police conduct a search for that particular vehicle. 759 00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:07,960 They overlay it in that zone of interest 760 00:42:08,060 --> 00:42:09,960 in Massapequa. 761 00:42:11,490 --> 00:42:12,860 And they get a hit. 762 00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:21,300 [***] 763 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,710 ALGAR: In March of 2022, 764 00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:26,310 for the first time since 2010, 765 00:42:27,810 --> 00:42:31,050 13 years after the Gilgo Four were discovered, 766 00:42:31,150 --> 00:42:33,420 Police have a name. 767 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,850 And they now have a suspect. 768 00:42:36,990 --> 00:42:37,990 FITZGIBBON: And what's the best way 769 00:42:38,090 --> 00:42:39,820 to confirm that he's the man? 770 00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:42,260 DNA. 771 00:42:45,060 --> 00:42:49,760 In 2010, investigators found five hairs 772 00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:52,670 on three of the victims. 773 00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:55,270 Because the bodies were exposed to the elements, 774 00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:57,240 those hairs were degraded. 775 00:42:58,210 --> 00:42:59,440 So you couldn't use 776 00:42:59,540 --> 00:43:01,980 traditional DNA analysis on them. 777 00:43:03,380 --> 00:43:07,620 At the time, investigators could only determine that 778 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:10,290 four of the hairs were female, one was male, 779 00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:12,420 and they were all Caucasian. 780 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,020 MURPHY: In 2010, the technology was not advanced enough 781 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,130 to identify whose DNA was on those hairs. 782 00:43:19,230 --> 00:43:23,370 But by 2022, DNA technology had finally advanced enough 783 00:43:23,470 --> 00:43:28,040 where investigators could pull a profile from the hairs. 784 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,540 TOULON: The problem, however, 785 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,010 was the suspect had never been arrested. 786 00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:35,440 And so, if the suspect has never had 787 00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:37,210 any interaction with law enforcement, 788 00:43:37,310 --> 00:43:41,650 his fingerprints or any DNA has never been in our system. 789 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,420 RYDER: So, once they had a target, 790 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,330 they went after collecting family DNA. 791 00:43:50,430 --> 00:43:52,330 TOULON: One of the things that you have to think about 792 00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:55,000 when you're surveilling someone and you need DNA, you know, 793 00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:58,030 you wanna get a DNA that's discarded. 794 00:43:58,130 --> 00:44:01,040 MURPHY: But to get the samples, you have to get creative. 795 00:44:01,140 --> 00:44:04,940 First, investigators pose as sanitation workers, 796 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,680 and show up at the house, 797 00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:09,910 and start collecting bottles outside the home, 798 00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:12,180 and they do DNA swabs. 799 00:44:13,850 --> 00:44:15,580 Then one day, the suspect 800 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,620 walks out of his Manhattan office, 801 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:19,520 and he's holding a pizza box, 802 00:44:19,620 --> 00:44:23,060 and he throws it in the garbage can. 803 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,030 The investigators take the box out, 804 00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:27,930 and they swab the pizza crust and the napkin, 805 00:44:28,030 --> 00:44:30,130 and they send that to the crime lab. 806 00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:37,840 It was very important to connect that pizza crust, or that DNA 807 00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:39,370 to the DNA at the crime scene 808 00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:42,940 to conclusively link the suspect to the crimes. 809 00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:48,550 MURPHY: As they're waiting for the results to come back, 810 00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:50,350 subpoenas are issued, 811 00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:53,960 and they're searching his personal cell phone records. 812 00:44:54,060 --> 00:44:55,560 They're trying to connect the dots 813 00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:59,090 between his regular cell phone and the burner phones. 814 00:45:00,730 --> 00:45:05,000 TIERNEY: We executed over 300 subpoenas, search warrants 815 00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:06,770 pertaining to this individual. 816 00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:08,340 We were able to identify 817 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,340 seven separate burner phones that he used. 818 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,240 We compared his personal cell site records. 819 00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:18,150 If the personal phone would bounce off a cell tower, 820 00:45:18,250 --> 00:45:21,650 it was always consistent and in close proximity 821 00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:23,350 with the target phones. 822 00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:28,120 MURPHY: All this occurs over the course of a year. 823 00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:31,090 Investigators now have cell phone data 824 00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:35,000 that puts burner phones, and the suspect's cell phone, 825 00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:37,670 and some of the victims' phones together. 826 00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:40,040 And then the DNA results come back. 827 00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:43,540 And they have enough to make an arrest. 828 00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:52,350 So now, it's time to close in on him. 829 00:45:52,450 --> 00:45:55,520 At least 10 investigators from the Gilgo Beach Task Force 830 00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:58,990 who've been watching this guy for the last year 831 00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:01,190 are in position outside the suspect's office 832 00:46:01,290 --> 00:46:04,330 in midtown Manhattan, ready to move in. 833 00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:08,160 And finally, here he comes. 834 00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:12,700 [***] 835 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,170 They box him in so he can't escape. 836 00:46:20,740 --> 00:46:22,610 After nearly 13 years. 837 00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:24,850 ALGAR: After all of the turmoil 838 00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:27,280 in the Suffolk County Police Department. 839 00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:33,150 And now, this moment of redemption in the investigation. 840 00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:39,830 This architect, father, stepfather, husband, 841 00:46:39,930 --> 00:46:43,330 is arrested as the Gilgo Beach serial killer... 842 00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:48,570 whose name we learned is Rex Heuermann. 843 00:46:54,340 --> 00:46:58,410 [***] 844 00:46:58,510 --> 00:47:01,650 REPORTER 1: We wanna begin right now with breaking news out of New York. 845 00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:04,620 REPORTER 2: A major development in a long unsolved case 846 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:06,860 is revealed by investigators. 847 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,230 REPORTER 3: Police have arrested a suspect in the murders on Gilgo Beach. 848 00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:14,260 McGARVEY: After 13 years, 849 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,170 this bombshell drops out of seemingly nowhere, 850 00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:19,930 and it just cracks the case wide open. 851 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,640 REPORTER 2: You can see the suspect walking down Fifth Avenue 852 00:47:23,740 --> 00:47:27,080 when a group of agents swoop in and make the arrest. 853 00:47:27,180 --> 00:47:30,380 REPORTER 1: They corner him so he can't escape. 854 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,480 Charged with killing three women, 855 00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:35,220 Rex Heuermann is also the primary suspect 856 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,120 in the death of a fourth. 857 00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:39,950 SHEEHAN: I remember thinking, "Oh, shit. 858 00:47:40,060 --> 00:47:43,260 Who would've suspected that that guy was the killer?" 859 00:47:46,290 --> 00:47:48,130 The old thing: "It's right under your nose." 860 00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:51,570 It's right in front of you. You can't see it sometimes. 861 00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:55,100 So the Nassau County Police Academy, 862 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,410 which has the Intel Center at the time, was on Second Avenue. 863 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,910 We were two blocks from the actual house, 864 00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:06,110 literally around the corner. 865 00:48:06,210 --> 00:48:09,550 It's like, "Jeez, I passed that block a thousand times. 866 00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:13,860 I worked out of that building. 867 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,330 I drove past it a dozen times, you know, easily. 868 00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:25,930 TOULON: The fact that he was the devil that walked amongst us... 869 00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:28,670 He made you scratch your head, 870 00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:30,510 like, "Wow, how did this happen?" 871 00:48:30,610 --> 00:48:34,040 Because he basically was the person that lived next door. 872 00:48:34,140 --> 00:48:36,910 FITZGIBBON: It doesn't take long to figure out a serial killer is gonna be 873 00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:39,410 the front page of the New York Postthat day. 874 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,520 It's the perfect tabloid story. 875 00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:44,250 Who is Rex Heuermann? 876 00:48:44,350 --> 00:48:46,690 What's his family situation like? What's his background? 877 00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:49,390 REPORTER 1: Rex Heuermann, a longtime resident 878 00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:51,860 of Massapequa Park, Long Island. 879 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,730 REPORTER 2: A 59 year-old architect 880 00:48:53,830 --> 00:48:56,400 who's also a husband and a father. 881 00:48:56,500 --> 00:49:00,970 Rex Heuermann is a demon that walks among us. 882 00:49:01,070 --> 00:49:03,970 A predator that ruined families. 883 00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:07,410 SHEEHAN: At the exact same time, 884 00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:09,610 there is a media circus at the courthouse. 885 00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:12,510 There's a media circus breaking out in front of his house. 886 00:49:12,610 --> 00:49:16,620 REPORTER: Residents of Massapequa Park were shocked to discover 887 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:20,390 that Rex Heuermann had been living just a few houses away. 888 00:49:20,490 --> 00:49:22,420 To know that something like this is going on, 889 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,390 or someone is living 'em in this community, it's crazy. 890 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,230 FITZGIBBON: We're scrambling to get any information we can. 891 00:49:31,330 --> 00:49:33,440 Who is this guy? What's his background? 892 00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:36,770 Shocking. You know, it's scary, too. 893 00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:39,970 SHEEHAN: The rest of the houses in this neighborhood 894 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,310 are middle-class homes. 895 00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:45,110 His looks more like a house of horrors, 896 00:49:45,210 --> 00:49:46,580 and he's an architect. 897 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,380 Neighbors told us that they wouldn't let 898 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,190 their kids trick or treat at that particular house. 899 00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:54,020 The guy was odd. I kept him at arm's length 900 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,560 because I really didn't wanna be close to him. 901 00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:59,790 REPORTER 1: This is the house that police 902 00:49:59,890 --> 00:50:01,330 have been swarming this morning, 903 00:50:01,430 --> 00:50:03,500 105 First Avenue in Massapequa Park. 904 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,970 REPORTER 2: Using heavy equipment and forensic K-9 units, 905 00:50:07,070 --> 00:50:09,270 police combed through the home's backyard. 906 00:50:09,370 --> 00:50:12,240 REPORTER 1: Officers in hazmat suits going into the house. 907 00:50:12,340 --> 00:50:14,240 So clearly, they're in there to do 908 00:50:14,340 --> 00:50:16,880 some sort of forensic activity. 909 00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:19,310 REPORTER 3: Police are looking into whether the victims 910 00:50:19,410 --> 00:50:21,320 were ever inside the residence. 911 00:50:21,420 --> 00:50:24,950 REPORTER 4: Authorities uncovered more than 200 firearms 912 00:50:25,050 --> 00:50:27,020 in a vault located in the basement 913 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,660 of Rex Heuermann's home. 914 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,330 It was a big gun vault. It was a huge gun vault. 915 00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:32,960 The guy had 300 guns in his house. 916 00:50:33,060 --> 00:50:37,470 The neighbor was describing it as a soundproof locked room. 917 00:50:37,570 --> 00:50:41,470 Years ago, I've seen a bunch of guys carrying this 918 00:50:41,570 --> 00:50:44,370 incredibly heavy object in there. 919 00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:46,140 And I said, "Wow, that's heavy rocks." 920 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,880 And he said it was an iron door for the basement. 921 00:50:48,980 --> 00:50:51,980 FITZGIBBON: The whole speculation is he's butchering these people 922 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,050 in his own basement. 923 00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:55,620 That he had a killing vault. 924 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,650 We have obtained a massive amount of evidence, 925 00:50:58,750 --> 00:51:00,520 as well as trace evidence, 926 00:51:00,620 --> 00:51:03,660 including blood, DNA, and hair fibers. 927 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,230 It's not like TV. It's going to be a while 928 00:51:06,330 --> 00:51:08,500 for the analysts to do their job. 929 00:51:12,370 --> 00:51:17,540 Remember, these crimes weren't committed at Gilgo Beach. 930 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,310 So the question is, 931 00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:23,180 did Heuermann commit these crimes in his house? 932 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,480 REPORTER: Did the family know about his actions? 933 00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:28,150 And are they assisting investigators? 934 00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:30,690 As this unfolds, we'll learn more information 935 00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:32,490 about what the family knew. 936 00:51:32,590 --> 00:51:34,660 SHEEHAN: The idea that the wife didn't know anything 937 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,730 about what he was doing is hard to believe. 938 00:51:37,830 --> 00:51:40,360 The most mysterious figure in this whole thing 939 00:51:40,460 --> 00:51:43,700 is Asa, Rex's wife. 940 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,970 Because we don't know what her role is, 941 00:51:46,070 --> 00:51:47,600 what her motivation is. 942 00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:51,140 Nobody's opinion is that they have a bead on Asa, 943 00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:52,910 on whether she was involved or not. 944 00:51:53,010 --> 00:51:54,580 It's kind of like a big question mark, 945 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,250 because Asa has not talked to any of us. 946 00:51:58,350 --> 00:52:00,050 We can only speculate. 947 00:52:00,150 --> 00:52:05,090 As the days tick by, the other reporters were desperately 948 00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:09,360 trying to report this story, and find her and talk to her. 949 00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:11,230 But it was like a black hole. 950 00:52:11,330 --> 00:52:13,700 [***] 951 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,480 ASA: How could you not know? 952 00:53:08,420 --> 00:53:09,780 How could you not know 953 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,120 that your husband was a serial killer? 954 00:53:12,220 --> 00:53:15,660 Known what? My husband was home here. 955 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,860 He's a family man. 956 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,360 They're telling me that he's been soliciting sex 957 00:53:20,460 --> 00:53:21,900 from sex workers. What? 958 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,670 I don't have sex with my husband? 959 00:53:23,770 --> 00:53:25,600 I don't satisfy him. 960 00:53:28,770 --> 00:53:31,640 He comes home and eats my dinner. 961 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,710 It's not good enough? 962 00:53:39,580 --> 00:53:40,950 [SCOFFS] 963 00:53:41,050 --> 00:53:42,420 No, it's... 964 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,750 I don't believe my husband did this. 965 00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:48,260 [***] 966 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,000 [***] 967 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,000 Translated By The_Proffs 968 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,000 Translated By The_Proffs 84415

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