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We have one last pretrial where I'll try
to suppress your statement.
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Scott, if I'm unsuccessful... No, no,
no. I'm not taking manslaughter, Bobby.
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Please don't ask me that again!
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I'm sorry, man. It's just getting to me.
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Okay. You understand the risks?
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I do.
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So what? We go in the morning.
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We argue the motion. Trial starts after
lunch.
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Eugene will be with me. Okay.
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I keep having this dream where everybody
wakes up and comes to their senses.
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I mean, Karen's even in it.
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She's not dead.
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We have a solid shot if we can shut down
this videotape.
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Oh, hey.
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See this?
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Fiji.
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That's where I'm going when I walk out
of that courthouse.
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I'm going right to a travel agent.
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In ten days, I'll be sitting on that
beach.
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Look at me, Scott.
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If that videotape is admitted, I believe
you will be convicted.
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Probably a second -degree murder.
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Now, that carries a life sentence.
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You will not be going to Fiji.
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They're inside.
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Okay.
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This thing was built to bring children
joy.
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And it's toxic.
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Come on.
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The fact that they called for the
meeting, that they're coming to us, it's
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very good sign.
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How much?
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We have no idea. Nothing is good enough
for what they did to our kids.
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Of course not.
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But you have to remember, if we go to
trial, we will want your son to take the
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stand and talk about his seizures.
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We'll need your daughter to talk about
her motor problems.
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And your youngest son may have to
discuss his learning disabilities and
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humiliation that he suffered.
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We've talked to them, Eleanor. They're
ready.
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The number Eleanor and I think is
reasonable is 160 per child.
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It seems low.
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Of course, nothing.
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can make up for your children's
injuries.
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But the present day value of that is
probably around 240 if you figure in an
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appeal. And given our problems proving
liability, that would be an excellent
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settlement. We're not sure we can get
that.
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But that's her number.
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You think I killed her?
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What, are you crazy?
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I don't think you intended to kill her.
I really don't. So what do you say?
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Mr. Wallace, things will go much better
for you if you cooperate.
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We think you had an argument.
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You hit her.
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Maybe by accident.
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She was unconscious.
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You were afraid of how it might look.
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You put her in the car to make it look
like a suicide.
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It's what happened, isn't it?
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My client was in shock at the time of
this interrogation. He had just found
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wife dead less than an hour before this.
First of all, he was read his right. It
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isn't about that. He was suffering
severe traumatic distress. He wasn't
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processing all the stuff being thrown at
him here. And that tape makes it look
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like he was acquiescing to something
when he wasn't. He was just under shock.
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You can certainly argue that, counsel.
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Your Honor, if the jury sees that tape,
the prejudice alone... He certainly had
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the presence of mind to give us a nice,
coherent, exculpatory version of the
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event. He gave you the truth. All right.
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I'll allow the videotape for impeachment
purposes only.
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Your Honor, that will effectively
prevent my client from testifying. It
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such thing.
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It only means if he testifies, he does
so with some risk. I object to this.
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objection is noted. The ruling is final.
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Offer still good?
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If you take this stand, the tape comes
in.
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And I don't know how we win this without
you getting in that chair.
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I can explain that tape. Now, it was
like you said, I was in shock.
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I can convince the jury of that.
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I'm going to recommend manslaughter one
last time.
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A polygraph?
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I'm willing to box him.
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If we both stipulate to the
admissibility, the judge will allow us
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the results.
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Bobby, do I have the word dope stamped
on my forehead, or is it just that you
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know me?
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Obviously, if you've come to us asking
that we give your client a lie detector,
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you've already given him one, and he
passed.
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We've given him five with four different
technicians, and he's passed every one.
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You took it five times? And passed every
one.
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Suppose he fails ours. Are you willing
to stipulate to admissibility?
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Right now.
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This man is innocent.
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I've never done this before.
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Done what?
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Traded on our personal relationship,
Helen.
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We know each other.
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I have never asked for a favor on the
basis of our friendship. I'm doing it
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here, and I've earned it one time,
Helen.
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Now, you trust the accuracy of lie
detectors? Give him one if he passes.
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Kick it.
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You want to run that by me again? Our
case is circumstantial.
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Evidently, he has passed a polygraph
over and over. His lawyer is willing to
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him with our own polygraph.
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Helen, the trial starts in two hours. I
realize that, Kate.
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And you want to what? Put out a release
thing?
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Oops. If this man did not commit the
crime, I'm not going to secure a
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simply to avoid a public relations
nightmare.
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Look, I saw that interrogation.
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Maybe he was disoriented like he says.
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You've got motives.
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There's forensics. The whack on the
head.
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They were heard fighting.
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Nobody described the woman as remotely
suicidal.
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The man did it. I don't care if he
passed 50 polygraphs. I'm not so sure.
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Well, let me make it easy for you.
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You're prosecuting this case.
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All right, I think it goes without
saying, but I'll say it anyway.
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This offer in no way admits to any
liability on the part of the
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Protection Agency.
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We realize that.
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What's the number?
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$20 ,000.
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$20 ,000? A piece.
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Times three, that's $60 ,000.
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More than the case is worth.
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And we're only offering it to avoid the
publicity that this hearing might
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generate. We have children with severe
learning disabilities.
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Motor skills... Look, even if that thing
is toxic, the government didn't
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manufacture it. Yes, that's been your
argument. But you lost the 12b -6. You
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lost the Federal Tort Claims Act. I
don't think we'll lose a summary
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You represented on the phone on Monday
and then again this morning that a
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serious offer was coming in. The figure
represents the maximum authorized by the
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agency, so... Then why are we talking?
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Because we have faith that logic
eventually seeps into even the most hard
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-headed of craniums. Get out! You're
obligated to take the offer to your
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clients, Ms. Frutt.
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Thank you, Mr.
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Myers.
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Our clients...
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are low -income parents whose children
have lifelong handicaps due in part to
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the agency you represent.
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You have the indecency to come in here
and tell us that their injuries are
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only $20 ,000 and then to add to that
insult, you are lecturing me on
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ethics?
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Get the hell out of here before I throw
you out.
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You're tilting at the wrong windmill
this time.
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You haven't seen us tilt yet.
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How you doing?
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I just went into the bathroom and threw
up.
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We gotta tell the clients.
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We should go there again.
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You can't beat yourself up, Eleanor.
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It's a miracle you got it this far.
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$20 ,000.
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the defendant was sitting right out on
the driveway.
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He seemed very despondent.
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Inside the garage, we found the victim,
face down on the floor next to the
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vehicle, bleeding slightly from the back
of the head.
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She was dead?
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Yes. There was a garden hose taped to
the exhaust pipe leading to the rear
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passenger side window.
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It appeared to be a suicide by carbon
monoxide poisoning.
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Did you run prints on the garden hose?
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We found prints matching the victim.
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And the defendant.
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You said Mr. Wallace seemed despondent.
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Could he have possibly been in shock?
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Possibly. Did my client tell you that he
pulled the hose out of the car?
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Yes, he did. And that he pulled his wife
from the vehicle?
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He said that, yes.
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I was walking my dog at 9 .30, and I
heard him screaming at his wife from
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the house.
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Are you sure you heard Scott Wallace?
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I'm 100 % sure.
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He's my neighbor. I know what his voice
sounds like.
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And I was about 20 feet from his front
door.
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He and Jill were both yelling at each
other.
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Do you know what about?
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No. But I found out later she was
planning to leave him.
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Objection sustained.
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You're sure this was around 9 .30?
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Positive. That's when I walk my dog
every night.
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One last thing.
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You said you could recognize the
defendant's voice.
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You could recognize his screaming voice?
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Yes. You heard him scream before?
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Many times.
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He and his wife had a lot of nasty
screaming fights.
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Once we even called the police.
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You called the police that night?
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No. You hear any signs of violence?
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No. In fact, you heard nothing that
caused you any sense of alarm.
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Well, I... You didn't feel the need to
intervene?
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No.
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There were shed skin cells on the
victim's head, neck.
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DNA analysis revealed an exact genetic
match.
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With who?
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The defendant.
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We also analyzed a skin fragment found
under the defendant's fingernail. Were
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you able to identify it? It was a
genetic match to the victim.
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If my client were trying to resuscitate
the victim, it's possible that shed skin
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cells could get on the victim's head and
neck. Right, Doctor?
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That's possible, yes.
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And while trying to save her, it's
possible that a piece of her skin could
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under his fingernail, right?
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That might be less likely.
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I'm asking you, is it possible?
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Of course.
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And all this DNA evidence we're talking
about, it could have come as a direct
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result of my client's efforts to save
his wife. Isn't that right, Doc? That's
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not what I think happened. But it's
possible.
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Yes, it is.
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Thank you.
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I can't believe it.
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We were just as shocked as you were. I
thought it was going to be a substantial
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offer.
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Didn't they tell you that?
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They intimated that we would be very
happy, yes.
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Our suspicion is they did that to lull
us a little, thinking if we were
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expecting settlement, we really wouldn't
prepare that hard for their motion.
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Were they right?
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Absolutely not. We're very ready.
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After what they did to our children.
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The hearing's tomorrow. If we win, we
think their numbers will come up.
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I have to be on it.
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And say that I am very disappointed with
the two of you.
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We had a few people tell us that we
should have never hired you, that you
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have the resources to.
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But we liked you.
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Well, right now, I feel deceived.
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I feel like you promised things to get
the case.
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Things which you obviously can't
deliver.
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Can I respond to that?
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When we took this case, we thought we
would be suing the manufacturer of that
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play gym.
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That was a much stronger case.
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Then when we discovered both that
company and the chemical company no
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existed, your case was basically over
until Eleanor came up with the idea to
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the EPA.
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She beat them in the motion to dismiss.
She got through the administration
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level, earning the right to keep going.
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I'm sure there are other firms out there
that could have gotten it this far, but
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the reality is they wouldn't have tried.
Most lawyers would have dropped this
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case as soon as they found the
manufacturer to be non -existent.
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But Eleanor and me with her kept going
out of commitment to you.
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Maybe we failed.
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But I take exception to the suggestion
that it was a mistake to hire us.
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We're just disappointed.
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That's all.
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We all are.
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Let's just do our best at summary
judgment and hopefully we'll survive to
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this to a jury.
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The cause of death was monoxide
poisoning.
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What about the bleeding from the back of
her head?
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That contusion was the result of being
struck with a blunt object.
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You said blunt instrument. Could that
instrument be a cement floor?
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If she fell on the garage floor, hitting
the back of her head, could that have
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caused the trauma we're talking about? A
fracture like that couldn't have
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happened by someone simply falling down.
If my client discovered his wife in the
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car, he grabbed her, pulled her out, and
as he was pulling her out, her
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head crashed onto the floor.
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Objection. Overruled.
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Doctor, if my client discovered his wife
in the car unconscious, pulled her out,
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causing her head to hit the floor, could
that have caused the fracture we're
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talking about?
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It's a possibility. Thank you, Doctor.
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That's all.
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Ms. Gamble?
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Commonwealth calls Kyle Barrett.
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This seems like a good time to call it a
day.
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We'll begin with Mr. Barrett in the
morning.
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Get Mr. Barrett to my office now.
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He's going to walk?
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I'm not saying that, but... But what?
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He killed my sister. Don't tell me now
that he's... Mr. Barrett, as we have
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explained from the start, our case is
hugely circumstantial. We had hoped to
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able to introduce the videotape
interrogation. And you can't? Not unless
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him on the stand.
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This will only happen if his lawyers
think he's losing.
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Which I'm sure they don't think right
now.
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Case has gone pretty well for them.
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The only witness that we have left that
can put them in the necessary hole is
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you. Which means when we ask you, did
your sister seem suicidal, a response
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I didn't think so, isn't going to do it.
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Also, to the extent that you talk about
anything your sister told you, that's
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hearsay. But under the law, one of the
ways around the hearsay rule is an
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exception called the state of mind.
Richard.
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Basically... If you can say she wanted
to start a new life. Richard.
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Mr. Barrett, we certainly don't mean to
put words in your mouth, nor would it be
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permissible for us to do so.
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But you need to realize, unless you do
damage, Scott Wallace probably
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won't testify, in which case he could in
fact go free.
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You knew your sister, sir.
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If she was planning to start a new life,
if she was in a positive place, there
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is no way she would ever take her own
life. Not in any circumstance.
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Certainly not in this situation where
she was looking forward to starting
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She was murdered.
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If you know it.
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She did not commit suicide. You
absolutely know it.
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I got it.
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We'll see you in there.
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First you tell him how to beat the
hearsay rule, then you practically
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testimony. Helen, I'm just preparing our
witness.
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I explain the law, tell him what's
relevant and what to emphasize. I do it,
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do it.
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And besides, you said it yourself.
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This witness is all we have to get Scott
Wallace in that chair.
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Be glad I coached him.
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I have to testify.
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I've explained this, Scott.
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If you get up there, they can put in the
video. But if I don't tell my side...
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We've backdoored your story.
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The jury knows your version of the
event. Now, listen to me.
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Now, I know I have the right not to
testify, but I also know that juries
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inferences sometimes about defendants
who don't.
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Now, I'm a credible witness. I can
explain that videotape, and the jury can
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me as a person.
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It's a bad idea.
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Can you excuse me for one second?
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32 -5.
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Rejected. Aren't you going to make
that... We don't need to present that to
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clients. And if your intent with that
insulting lowball is to inflame me
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we go in to argue, it's not going to
work.
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You seem a model of restraint.
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You know something, Mr. Myers?
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I have a thing about smug.
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I don't like smug.
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I know how you people work.
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You hustle in clients.
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All right, all right, John.
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No, no, Mitchell.
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The courts are clogged by bottom feeders
like you who sue without bothering to
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even consult the law. We consulted the
law, trust me.
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Don't think for a second that after
we're through here we won't go after you
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abusive profits. Let's not let our
tempers prevail here.
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Come on.
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Things have got worse.
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Judge Gilmore got appendicitis. The case
was transferred to Judge Aldrich.
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What?
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Judge Aldrich is sitting?
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I'm afraid so.
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Oh, great.
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He'll kick this before we even get
through the door. Let's just go for it.
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There's nothing else we can do at this
point.
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She was both excited and terrified.
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Excited and terrified of what, sir?
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Well, excited to be starting a new life
and being single again.
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Objection. This is all hearsay.
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State of mind exception.
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Who stayed in mind? The victim.
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Oh, come on. Judge, they're arguing that
she killed herself. The fact that she
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told her brother she wanted to live
directly rebuts that.
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I'm going to allow it. The objection is
overruled.
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You said your sister looked forward to
meeting a man she could love.
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Yes. She was planning on telling Scott
that she wanted a divorce.
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And why was she so terrified, if you
know?
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She was afraid of Scott's temper.
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She told you this?
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Yes. She at one point wanted me to be
with her when she told him.
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Why was that?
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She was afraid that he might try to harm
her.
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Objection! I'll allow it.
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Did your sister say anything else, sir?
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She said that if she turned up missing,
or if I didn't hear from her, that I
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should call the police, because Scott
probably did something to her.
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Objection! Overruled.
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Mr. Barrett, you've heard speculation
that maybe your sister took her life.
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That's ridiculous.
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Why, sir?
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My sister and I talked every day.
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We were extremely close. She hid nothing
from me.
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If she was in so much as a bad mood, I
would see it.
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She was not depressed.
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She was not despondent. She had no
mental deficiencies.
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And the idea that she took her own life
is absolutely preposterous.
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I have nothing further.
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Mr. Barrett, you think my client killed
your sister, don't you?
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Objection. Ghost Tobias?
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I'll allow it.
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You think he did it?
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I know he did it.
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And if you think this man killed your
sister, you'd want him to go to jail,
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wouldn't you?
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In fact, if you had the opportunity to
help put this man in jail, you'd
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jump at it, wouldn't you?
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What are you suggesting, counsel?
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Well, I'm suggesting you do anything to
put the man you think killed your sister
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behind bars.
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You'd even get up in that witness chair
and lie. Objection! I haven't lied.
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Well, I have your statement to the
police right here.
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Taking the night your sister died.
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And you didn't say anything about her
telling you, if I disappear, call the
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police. You didn't say anything about
her telling you she was afraid of being
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harmed. Did you, Mr. Barrett?
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I believe I did.
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Where is it?
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Here's your statement.
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Where is it?
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Maybe the officer didn't write it down,
but I'm sitting right now. The officer
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forgot to write that down. Look, I have
always maintained that your client
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killed my sister. Yes, you've always
maintained it. It has always been your
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opinion. But this is the first we're
hearing of any facts, any statements
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he'll try to harm me.
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This is the first we're hearing of this
because you just decided to make those
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statements up, didn't you, Mr. Barrett?
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Objection. Overruled. You want to put
that man away so bad that you got up
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and lied to get the job done.
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Objection. All right, Mr. Young.
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You say your sister wasn't depressed.
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She had no mental deficiencies.
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Didn't my client share with you his
concern that your sister had huge mood
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swings, that she might even need
medication?
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Hearsay. Overruled. Didn't he come to
you once, seeking your help as her
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brother, to convince her to get
treatment?
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Absolutely not.
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You're a liar. Objection. You're under
oath here, Mr. Barrett.
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Objection. Sustained, Mr.
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Young.
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Don't make me warn you again.
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You say your sister wanted you to come
with her that night.
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But you didn't.
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Because I didn't think he would really
kill her.
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I was wrong.
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What'd you do that night, Mr. Barrett?
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I'm in a weekly card game.
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Your sister told you she was afraid for
her life?
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But you couldn't help her because you
had a poker game.
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I think I got it.
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Ms. Gamble.
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Commonwealth rest, Your Honor.
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Mr. Donald.
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One second, Your Honor.
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What do you think?
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Right now, we still have a chance. But
if the videotape comes in... Scott, it's
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still our opinion that you don't
testify. We'd open a door on the day.
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Bobby, he's lying.
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You know, I lost him pretty good, I
think. I want to testify. I can't let
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Bobby, I... Scott, if you get up there,
we'll lose.
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Bobby.
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The defense rests, Your Honor.
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What's happening here is obvious.
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The manufacturer of the playground
equipment that caused these alleged
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to the children has gone out of business
leaving the parents with nobody to sue.
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So they file a claim against the EPA.
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The plaintiffs have cited no persuasive
case law state or federal that would
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allow for a United States agency to be
sued for the conduct of a private
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business. And, Your Honor, let's
consider the logic of what they're
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Since these injuries were caused by
environmental factors, they're suing the
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Environmental Protection Agency.
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Under that theory, since we have an FDA,
you could hold the government liable
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for any harm caused by a drug
manufacturer.
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Since we have an FAA, you could sue the
government for every plane crash.
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I understand that we live in a litigious
society, but the idea of suing the
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federal government for the actions of
any regulated private industry, that's
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ludicrous.
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As a matter of law, this claim is
untenable, and accordingly, the
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motion for summary judgment should be
granted.
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not suggesting that the government be
held liable for air disasters simply
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because there's an FAA, nor are we
saying that the EPA should pay damages
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time there's an environmental crisis.
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We're saying, in this situation, three
children got hurt, very hurt, because
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Environmental Protection Agency didn't
do its job.
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So you're alleging the kids got hurt by
toxic playground equipment?
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Yes, there is a preservative, which is
also a pesticide known as chromated
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copper arsenic, CCA. It's used to
pressure treat wood, and it's found in
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and playground equipment everywhere. And
I mean everywhere.
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With age, this pesticide leaches into
the dirt, which is what happened in my
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client's yard where their children
played every day.
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But why should the EPA be held liable?
They didn't make that playground
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equipment. Our argument is that the EPA
knew about the dangers of this
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pesticide. They've known about it for
almost 30 years, and yet they have
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continued to let the wood preservers use
this stuff. This is a complete lie.
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Would you shut up? Counsel. He's arguing
the merits. Let me deal with him.
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The basis of your claim is that the EPA
knew of these dangers.
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Our claim.
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is that when a governmental agency knows
of a toxic condition that causes
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developmental problems in the nervous
system of children, when a governmental
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agency knows of a toxic chemical that is
being regularly used to make playground
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equipment, when that governmental agency
does nothing to stop it, then yes, that
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agency is blameworthy, and yes, that
agency should incur some liability.
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Ms. Frutt.
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First, I can do without the tone.
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Second, we could complain every day
about the government not doing enough.
484
00:30:33,030 --> 00:30:35,230
can't prevent every disaster, you know
that.
485
00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:40,990
Yes, but this disaster was preventable.
As are most automobile casualties, too.
486
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:44,670
The government could mandate that every
car be built like a tank. They could
487
00:30:44,670 --> 00:30:47,490
legislate that every airline passenger
be equipped with a parachute.
488
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:50,670
There are lots of things the government
could do to make things safer.
489
00:30:51,290 --> 00:30:53,110
But there are economic realities.
490
00:30:53,670 --> 00:30:54,670
I understand that.
491
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,720
And if the economics of fixing a problem
is prohibitive, fine.
492
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,400
But how about simply informing the
public that a problem exists?
493
00:31:03,780 --> 00:31:09,700
They know there is a chemical that
causes harm. How about simply alerting
494
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:12,180
public? Would that be too much of a
burden on the federal government?
495
00:31:12,460 --> 00:31:13,460
Maybe not.
496
00:31:13,660 --> 00:31:16,220
My question is, do they have a duty to?
497
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:22,080
Our position is that they have a duty to
make known all toxic, dangerous
498
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,920
conditions that they know of. The EPA is
still sitting on this information.
499
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,820
That chemical is still leaching into the
dirt at playgrounds. Children are
500
00:31:31,820 --> 00:31:36,320
playing in that dirt. And the EPA still
isn't informing people.
501
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:37,700
Why?
502
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,020
Because the wood manufacturers have
lobbied Congress to get the EPA to back
503
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,460
And the only reason why I know about
this problem is because of three sick
504
00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:49,720
children whose parents hired me.
505
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:03,020
Close it?
506
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,080
Yeah.
507
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,280
If a client wants to testify, it's his
right.
508
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,560
He's not being straight. The guy is
talking about Fiji. He's competent. He
509
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,020
wanted to testify, and you prevented it.
And what would the result be of that
510
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:27,420
videotape? He's competent. His decision
was to testify.
511
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:29,800
And you sat silent.
512
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,820
He lied, Richard. We don't know that. Of
course we do. Helen. Oh, come on. The
513
00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:15,160
stuff about her sister being afraid or
call the police. Where did that... We
514
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,120
don't know that it's untrue. I know what
you said to him, how you coached him to
515
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:19,959
be... Hey, Helen.
516
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,420
The man committed perjury, Richard. We
both know it. That testimony could
517
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:28,860
convict. Even if he did perjure himself,
all we have is suspicion.
518
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,940
Yes. We're both technically covered.
That doesn't solve it.
519
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:36,150
We could have an innocent man here who
could end up serving a life sentence
520
00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:38,430
based on lies which we put into
evidence.
521
00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:43,470
First of all, he's not innocent. I think
he is. Your opinion isn't relevant.
522
00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:47,230
Second, there's nothing we can do about
it now.
523
00:33:47,470 --> 00:33:49,350
The witness said what he said.
524
00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:54,990
For all we know, it could be true. So we
just do our job and argue the case,
525
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:56,070
period.
526
00:33:59,430 --> 00:34:02,330
Oh, and I suppose you'll never be able
to live with yourself now.
527
00:34:02,860 --> 00:34:05,260
Actually, I was thinking how I'd never
be able to live with you.
528
00:34:08,739 --> 00:34:11,280
If you can't bring yourself to close,
just say the word.
529
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,280
The word here is the most damaging
prosecution witness just concocted a
530
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,380
big, fat lies. Now look, I can't prove
it, but I know it, and so do you.
531
00:34:30,739 --> 00:34:31,739
All rise.
532
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,920
It seems strained that the government,
by creating an agency to watchdog
533
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,699
industries, could thereby become liable
for the conduct of those industries.
534
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,540
I am further troubled by the reality
that it's the taxpayers who pay these
535
00:34:58,540 --> 00:34:59,960
judgments, should there be any.
536
00:35:00,940 --> 00:35:05,160
True, the Environmental Protection
Agency is mandated to regulate
537
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,140
But to say that the EPA knew of a
leaching problem and failed either to
538
00:35:11,140 --> 00:35:15,300
it or to warn about it makes them
negligent to the point where they should
539
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:20,980
assume responsibility is a hard leap for
me to make as a juror.
540
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,040
But it is in fact a question a jury
should be deciding, not a judge.
541
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:33,850
Defense motion for summary judgment is
denied. Trial date is set for next
542
00:35:33,850 --> 00:35:34,850
Tuesday.
543
00:35:35,230 --> 00:35:36,230
Adjourned.
544
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:43,630
What happened?
545
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:46,730
We won the motion.
546
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:49,350
That's what happened. We're still alive.
547
00:35:49,690 --> 00:35:52,670
I don't believe it. I mean, I do, but I
don't.
548
00:35:55,850 --> 00:35:56,850
Okay.
549
00:35:57,620 --> 00:36:01,320
Okay, we've got a lot of work to do on
our damage claim, and the trial is set
550
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,400
for next week, so we've got to get
together tonight.
551
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,880
Seven o 'clock in our office.
552
00:36:05,260 --> 00:36:06,640
Miss Rutt, can we talk?
553
00:36:07,180 --> 00:36:08,180
No.
554
00:36:08,740 --> 00:36:10,540
Do you have anything else to say?
555
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,140
You say it to a jury.
556
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:18,180
Mr. Jameson, nobody wants a long trial
here.
557
00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:22,420
After eight months, that's what you say
to me.
558
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:25,900
Go to hell.
559
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:28,240
Take your friend.
560
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:38,000
They have no case.
561
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,580
They find my client's prints on the
garden hose.
562
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,440
Yes, because he yanked it out of the
car.
563
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:51,900
They find his prints and DNA on the
victim. Yes, because he tried to revive
564
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,120
There was a fracture on the back of her
head.
565
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,730
Yes. Because Scott Wallace pulled her
out of the car, causing her head to hit
566
00:37:00,730 --> 00:37:01,730
the cement floor.
567
00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:06,930
And seeing how anemic the case is
against Scott Wallace, the man he
568
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:11,230
killed his sister, Kyle Barrett took the
stand and lied.
569
00:37:11,710 --> 00:37:16,270
He testified his sister was afraid Scott
would harm her. Well, Kyle Barrett
570
00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:19,850
never told the police that, never. He
just made it up.
571
00:37:20,350 --> 00:37:23,690
It was a desperate lie that cannot be
corroborated by anyone.
572
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,140
And it's with that lie alone that the
prosecution is trying to convict an
573
00:37:28,140 --> 00:37:29,140
innocent man.
574
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,060
My sister was afraid he'd harm her.
575
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:36,180
If I disappear, Scott did something.
576
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:39,500
And he goes off to play poker?
577
00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:46,480
The reason Kyle Barrett made up these
lies is because sitting in this room,
578
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:53,060
listening to the evidence, he recognized
what you have to recognize.
579
00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:59,790
The prosecution has no case.
580
00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:09,770
A woman announces to her husband that
she's going to leave him.
581
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:12,950
They're heard in a screaming argument.
582
00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:16,910
And she suddenly turns up dead.
583
00:38:19,350 --> 00:38:21,050
We're supposed to think suicide?
584
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:24,690
Is there anybody who knew her?
585
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:30,310
To describe her as suicidal, or even
depressed for that matter.
586
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:31,950
Does it make sense?
587
00:38:32,490 --> 00:38:38,370
As she decides to move forward with
life, she then decides to end it?
588
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:44,190
As for the brother's testimony being a
lie, where's the evidence of that?
589
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:47,430
Did defense call anybody to contradict
him?
590
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:52,770
Let's all use a little common sense,
shall we?
591
00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:55,870
A woman tries to leave her husband.
592
00:38:57,870 --> 00:38:59,730
She ends up dead in the house.
593
00:39:00,750 --> 00:39:02,590
A whack to the back of the head.
594
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:05,730
No witnesses.
595
00:39:09,250 --> 00:39:10,250
Figure it out.
596
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:22,310
Every day, they need to be there.
597
00:39:22,930 --> 00:39:27,570
Yes. Our case is your children, and we
want the jury to see their faces every
598
00:39:27,570 --> 00:39:29,790
single day, even during the doctor's
testimony.
599
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:31,050
They can do it.
600
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:35,330
We certainly prepared them. The
defendants have already brought a motion
601
00:39:35,330 --> 00:39:39,910
bifurcate the trial, which we are
opposing, which means we really should
602
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:43,550
work. So we will be in constant contact
as we draw closer.
603
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:44,790
Okay.
604
00:39:46,810 --> 00:39:47,810
Ms. Frett?
605
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:52,950
I apologize for what I said before.
606
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,720
You don't have to. Yes, I do.
607
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,100
I know how hard both of you have worked.
608
00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:08,540
And as I watched you in the court, well,
I felt ashamed
609
00:40:08,540 --> 00:40:09,840
for doubting you.
610
00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:14,940
That was something.
611
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:44,500
Will the defendant please rise?
612
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,400
Mr. Foreman, the jury has reached a
unanimous verdict.
613
00:40:51,140 --> 00:40:52,260
We have, Your Honor.
614
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:53,720
What say you?
615
00:40:54,740 --> 00:40:55,740
Commonwealth v.
616
00:40:55,780 --> 00:40:58,400
Scott Wallace on the charge of murder in
the first degree.
617
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,980
We find the defendant, Scott Wallace,
guilty.
618
00:41:03,820 --> 00:41:08,740
Members of the jury, this completes your
service. You are dismissed with the
619
00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:09,740
thanks of the court.
620
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,080
Defense will have to set aside the
verdict or for a new trial.
621
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:18,160
You can file those motions later.
622
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,160
Security will take the defendant into
custody.
623
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:22,680
We're adjourned.
624
00:41:23,740 --> 00:41:26,060
We have grounds, Scott.
625
00:41:26,420 --> 00:41:27,420
We'll appeal.
626
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,000
We'll have a comment.
627
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:53,490
Yeah, we will appeal.
53152
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