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[Loud popping &
fans cheering]
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♪
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WCW is about to
dominate the globe
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with professional wrestling.
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10 million people in the
United States were
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zeroed in on professional
wrestling.
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We were the number
one cable rated show.
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For almost two years.
Mind blowing.
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And, when something
gets too big, too fast,
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shit's gonna hit the fan
at some point, and it did.
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Little by little,
we just fell.
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We already knew that
we were running thin.
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It is so good to be king.
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He cared more about
ratings than
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he cared about
advertising dollars.
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It was a shit show.
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Vince Russo was
just another idiot.
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He was there to lead
to our ultimate demise.
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Kiss my ass!
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I was done.
It was over.
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I could'nt care less.
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No doubt in my mind Bischoff
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was responsible for
a little of this.
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Another nail in the coffin
of a company that was
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rapidly dying at that time.
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I don't control that shit.
I go out and I do my job.
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My check didn't change.
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It was the easiest money
I ever made in my career.
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Like,
they got what?
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Hey!
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When guys got those
kind of agendas,
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thinking about themselves,
that's pretty much
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when the ship
started to go down.
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This is some
fucked up shit.
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You ain't in
Kansas anymore.
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[Overlapping voices]
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You cannot sweep this
under the rug!
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...I don't understand
what he's doing.
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The real reason
men commit lies...
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[Extended
flatlining beep]
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♪ [Dramatic orchestral] ♪
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♪
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♪
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[Production Crew]
Grid going out!
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♪
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It is at an end.
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It didn't feel like
a family anymore.
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It felt like everybody
was out for themselves,
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and it seemed like the blood
was in the water and
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the sharks were
coming to get it.
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I think everybody
just didn't know
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what was happening.
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We were still hearing
the rumors that
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we were just gonna
shut the doors.
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So, I think at that point
everybody was just really...
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unsettled.
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It's easy to lose sight of
how lucky we are
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to be part of this.
Hopefully, it ain't over.
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WCW wrestling is so important
to me, and there's just...
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that one guy at Turner,
I think just
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doesn't think wrestling's
cool or whatever,
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so he's gonna ruin it for
millions of people.
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I think Turner finally
started looking into the
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books and said, "We gotta
pull the plug on this."
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No matter how much Ted
Turner loved this business
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and wanted to, you know,
keep it afloat,
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you start looking at the
books at that time and
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seeing how much money
we were spending,
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I can only imagine how much
money went out the window.
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Oh, my god.
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After Brad brought me back
to kind of oversee Russo,
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it was apparent to me
that things were more
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dysfunctional within Turner
Broadcasting and
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in the relationship between
Turner and WCW
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than they had ever been.
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And I'm not talking about what
was going on on television,
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or how much money they
were making or losing.
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I'm just talking about
the relationship.
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♪
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Time Warner is a company of
winning brands and
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winning people,
and so is AOL.
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For this merger-
just like when we put
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Turner Broadcasting
into Time Warner
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it made the company
much, much stronger.
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And I think we're
all committed to
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making this thing work.
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AOL was absolutely
ubiquitous at that time
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in terms of in the public
consciousness
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the company introduced
many people to
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the concept of
logging on to the internet
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for the very first time.
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[Ad] I've been on America
Online two months,
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and it's really been
a revelation for me.
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You've Got Mail!
[Laughing]
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This is at the time where
a lot of the new internet
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dotcom businesses were
receiving wild overvaluations
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based on promises
of future growth.
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If you looked at the
assets, besides furniture-
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[Laughing]- they have
a subscription list,
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and that's the people
who subscribe to AOL.
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AOL's leadership in the early
part of 1999 also were
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keenly aware of this
reality as well.
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So, one option that was
considered was to merge with
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a media and entertainment
conglomerate,
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which was Time Warner.
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[News] The combined company,
which will be called
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AOL Time Warner gives each
partner what it now lacks.
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[Guy] What ended up happening is
that AOL shareholders
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would receive 55% of
the new company,
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and Time Warner 45%.
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Now, my dad's never
been online on his own.
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Never touched a computer,
never owned a cell phone,
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never used an ATM.
Right? He's old school.
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So, I think it was a whole
generation gap lost on
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AOL's going to buy this
giant company with nothing,
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where the older investment
guys are like,
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"Well, you can't
turn it down.
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Hundreds of dollars a share,
this is gonna be awesome.
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We're all gonna make a
billion dollars,"
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but nobody would
stand up and go,
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"This is a Ponzi scheme,
man," right?
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This is, this is all
gonna fall apart.
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The Blockbuster deal still
needs regulatory approval,
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and a nod from Time Warner
and AOL shareholders.
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AOL had serious,
serious issues.
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You know, WCW got
caught up in that also.
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And essentially you could
say it was collateral damage.
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Wrestling has become
fun, crazy entertainment.
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It is, it's an
alternative.
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It doesn't define
our network.
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It's one night a week.
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It's a hit every
Monday night.
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But it wasn't anymore.
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Because it was broken
and I had to fix it,
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I was a physical
presence there.
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I was in there trying to do
whatever I can do
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to get it back on track.
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Big mistake!
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What a bunch of
fucking boobs.
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It was so bad!
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I really felt like,
okay, stake in our heart.
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It was a chaotic
shit show and a blur.
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And, I said, "I'm about to
get the hell out of here
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because I've had it."
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You had to look out
for yourself.
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[Janie] I just felt
like Brad didn't
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know anything
about wrestling.
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I mean, he knew about
the corporate side,
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but he wasn't a
wrestling person.
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He wasn't somebody
that was gonna try to
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help save the company.
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It was like going
through the motions.
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To be completely honest,
I couldn't fix it.
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And the red kept
getting redder.
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And the ratings kept falling,
and falling, and falling.
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[Guy] In addition, WCW drove
away its paid audience.
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Look at the difference in
buy rate between the
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uncensored Pay Per View in
March of 1999 and the
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same event just 12 months
later in March of 2000.
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They basically put on the
exact same main event.
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Hogan-Flair two years
in a row.
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[Commentary]
Hold onto your hats!
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1, 2, 3!
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In March of '99, the
uncensored Pay Per View
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enticed some 325,000 viewers
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to purchase the event,
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but just 12 months later,
only 60,000 people were
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willing to purchase
the 2000 version of
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WCW Uncensored.
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That represents
a drop of 81%.
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♪
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[Eric] The narrative, it was
at the end of 2000.
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WCW had losses of
around $62 million.
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That's the narrative.
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And I think that there
probably is a grain of truth
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to that, but what people
don't understand...
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is the why.
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Professional wrestling is
very different
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when you're a company like
Time Warner AOL.
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A lot of answering to
shareholders that have
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expectations on a monthly
and quarterly basis.
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I think there was a lot of
debt from other divisions in
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the company that could
be allocated- legally-
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but allocated as losses against
WCW because everybody
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knew it was gonna be written
off as a loss anyway.
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The bullshit internal
transfers that people
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tried to park all their
trash on our books while,
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while we were getting hurt.
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It was clear to me at
that point that
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Turner Broadcasting
didn't want
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anything to do with WCW,
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and I said to Brad,
specifically, I said,
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"Brad, why don't you let me
explore selling WCW
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while it still has
some value?"
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Because, the velocity at
which WCW was
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losing ground at that
particular time
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was pretty dramatic.
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Brad kind of chuckled at me,
and he said, "Eric,
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you know this company.
We don't sell anything.
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We buy things."
So I just let it go.
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Fast forward...
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Good evening.
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Today we announce that
the Federal Communications
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Commission has approved the
merger of America Online
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and Time Warner Inc.
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So the merger was announced
on January 11th 2000.
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Finalized on
January 11th 2001.
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There had actually been a
lot of financial experts
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who had been predicting
the imminent demise
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of AOL for quite some time.
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Keep in mind that throughout
the year 2000
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a number of significant
things happened.
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We had the dotcom
recession, right,
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we had a number of these
internet companies that were
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going to be the darlings of
the future that went
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belly up, which affected
AOL in a serious way.
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Its stock price
dropped by 50%,
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which of course creates a
huge pressure to look
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closely at which divisions
are profitable and
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which are registering
huge losses.
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That put WCW even more
in the crosshairs.
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There were a lot
of executives
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at very
senior levels.
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The only person standing in
front of them was Ted Turner.
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The merger happens.
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Ted becomes Vice Chairman.
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You know, he was excited
about that at first.
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And you know, you have an
office in New York,
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you know, "I've made it."
Well, no,
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your name made it,
your businesses made it.
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But they didn't want even
want to hear
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at the board meetings
from him.
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[Eric] Ted Turner was no
longer a challenge.
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Ted Turner was regulated to
the corner and didn't have
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a voice or vote in
his own company.
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You know, Ted is no longer
in a position to have
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control over WCW
and its affairs.
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[Brad] I remember saying, y
ou know, with Time Warner,
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is it that important to own
a wrestling company
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that's losing money,
bleeding massively,
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has lost money every year of
its existence except for
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one or two years-
is that really
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what Time Warner
needs to own?
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I don't think we need this.
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[Off-screen]
Brad Siegel, take one.
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Mark.
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I get a phone call
from Brad.
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And he said, "So,
let me ask you, Eric,
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a couple months ago you
brought up the idea of
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selling WCW. Do you think
you could find a buyer?"
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And I immediately said,
"Sure." I had no idea,
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I'd never done
anything like that before.
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But I assured him that I
could find someone
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who had the
resources to buy it.
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I said, "Do you want me
to put a deal together?
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You want me to try to put
some people together?"
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And he goes,
"See what you got."
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I went to a guy by the
name of Peter Guber.
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Peter Guber at that point of
time owned a company
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called Mandalay Sports
and Entertainment.
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He's a very, very, very well
established Hollywood guy.
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And he said, "Look, I'm not
interested in investing,
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in buying WCW,
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but I think I know some
people who may."
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And he put me in touch
with Brian Bedol and
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Steve Greenberg, who owned
a company called
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Fusient Media Ventures.
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Fusient Media Ventures
had created the
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Classic Sports Network,
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which became
ESPN Sports Classic.
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Brian and Steve
understood media.
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They had great connections
in New York, on Wall Street.
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And, we hit it off, and
started the process.
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I called Brad back, said,
"Okay, I got the investment."
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Fusient Media funded
the initial round
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with 5 million
of their own,
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and then went out and raised
$62 million in the market,
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so I felt like I was capable
with the financial resources
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and the right
partners with me,
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there was
potential for WCW.
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They professional
wrestling genre
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as a whole is
indestructible.
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It's just a matter of the
company being
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in the right hands.
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Eric was invested in
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trying to keep WCW
alive and moving.
287
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So, it was very exciting
when the opportunity
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came up to buy it.
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And it wasn't surprising
that he went 100% all in
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and just gave it
all he had.
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We had come up with a loose
plan of what we were
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going to do once the deal
was consummated.
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For example,
went out to Las Vegas.
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We met with the Hard Rock
and they were planning on
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building a entertainment
theater on top of one of
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their parking garages that
would hold about 3500 people.
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So, we started to negotiate
the opportunity for kind of a
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full-time location, producing
our shows in front of a
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live audience in Las Vegas
every Monday night.
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And one of the initial
thoughts we had is
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let's bring WCW back with
this Pay Per View
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called The Big Bang.
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So, on January 11th 2001,
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it appears that
Fusient Media Ventures
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has purchased
the company.
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The figure that was reported
at the time of the
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apparent sale to Fusient
was $67 million.
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You know, there's a lot of
exuberance about,
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once again, this being now
the turning point.
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Now we've got the
new owners in play,
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now Eric Bischoff's
back in his position,
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this is where we're
off to the races.
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The new goal is
100 weeks in a row,
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and that's kind of what's
in the future for WCW.
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Oh, I was excited.
I thought, you know,
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okay, great, this is gonna
open a new door.
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We're gonna continue
to go on like we are.
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I think we were gonna
see a, a smarter,
319
00:13:42,755 --> 00:13:45,191
newer, more refreshed
version of Eric.
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00:13:45,257 --> 00:13:47,860
He looked really gung ho
to make this work.
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[Eric] Turner Broadcasting
guaranteed us our time slot
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on Monday night
and Thursday night.
323
00:13:53,199 --> 00:13:55,301
So, our job was then
to produce the show,
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find the advertisers, and
turn the show profitable.
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I remember that being
part of the deal,
326
00:14:00,139 --> 00:14:01,841
and I liked that as
part of the deal.
327
00:14:01,874 --> 00:14:04,343
Knowing that you've
got that slot,
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00:14:04,376 --> 00:14:06,946
then being able to calculate
what the advertising value
329
00:14:06,979 --> 00:14:08,514
of that's gonna be...
330
00:14:08,547 --> 00:14:09,982
is critical.
331
00:14:10,015 --> 00:14:13,519
So, it was a fait accompli
as far as we were concerned.
332
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And we were scheduled
to close that deal.
333
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[Guy]
On the March the 6th,
334
00:14:19,058 --> 00:14:20,826
Jamie Kellner is
announced as the
335
00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:22,561
new CEO of
Turner Broadcasting.
336
00:14:22,628 --> 00:14:24,864
Jamie Kellner is someone
whose reputation certainly
337
00:14:24,897 --> 00:14:26,899
preceeded him in the
television business.
338
00:14:26,966 --> 00:14:29,735
He is credited with having
a huge influence over the
339
00:14:29,802 --> 00:14:32,338
growth of the Fox Network,
and then actually becoming
340
00:14:32,371 --> 00:14:35,708
a founding partner
of the WB Network.
341
00:14:35,741 --> 00:14:38,544
And, upon being
appointed to the role,
342
00:14:38,577 --> 00:14:41,914
his initial comments to
the press were that-
343
00:14:41,981 --> 00:14:44,216
I'm paraphrasing-
"This is a great company,
344
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full of great people.
345
00:14:45,484 --> 00:14:47,052
I'm gonna try not
to mess things up.
346
00:14:47,086 --> 00:14:49,154
I'm going to tweak it."
347
00:14:49,188 --> 00:14:51,891
Jamie Kellner was one of the
best television executives
348
00:14:51,924 --> 00:14:55,060
in the business,
but Jamie hated wrestling.
349
00:14:55,094 --> 00:14:58,264
He hated it, you know.
He hated it, didn't get it.
350
00:14:58,330 --> 00:14:59,999
Didn't want anything
to do with it.
351
00:15:00,032 --> 00:15:01,734
It was a pain in the ass,
352
00:15:01,767 --> 00:15:04,703
and we were losing so
much money all the time
353
00:15:04,737 --> 00:15:08,440
that I think- I made the
suggestion to sell WCW.
354
00:15:08,507 --> 00:15:10,175
I don't know if
it came from me,
355
00:15:10,209 --> 00:15:12,912
or somebody suggested
and I latched on to it,
356
00:15:12,945 --> 00:15:14,113
and Jamie was like,
357
00:15:14,179 --> 00:15:16,382
"Yep, get rid of this
as fast as you can.
358
00:15:16,415 --> 00:15:18,350
I don't want anything
to do with it."
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00:15:18,384 --> 00:15:22,288
March 16th, Brad Siegel
sends out a memo advising
360
00:15:22,354 --> 00:15:25,724
WCW employees there's going
to a period of hiatus.
361
00:15:25,758 --> 00:15:28,961
Then just a few days later...
362
00:15:29,028 --> 00:15:31,063
Actually, there's not
gonna be a hiatus,
363
00:15:31,096 --> 00:15:33,899
but the programming is
being canceled after a
364
00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,101
29-year run on the
Turner Networks.
365
00:15:36,135 --> 00:15:39,438
And that leads us to an
episode of Monday Nitro
366
00:15:39,471 --> 00:15:41,907
in the midst of all of this
chaos that has to occur
367
00:15:41,941 --> 00:15:45,244
in Gainesville, Florida
that Monday evening.
368
00:15:45,277 --> 00:15:47,980
Many of you may know that
for the past six months
369
00:15:48,047 --> 00:15:49,615
I've been working with
a group of people
370
00:15:49,648 --> 00:15:51,450
whose goal it was,
and is,
371
00:15:51,483 --> 00:15:53,953
to acquire World
Championship Wrestling.
372
00:15:53,986 --> 00:15:56,789
But recently we've hit a
couple road blocks
373
00:15:56,822 --> 00:16:00,159
that may be
in fact brick falls.
374
00:16:00,225 --> 00:16:02,995
And, while it is
still in my power,
375
00:16:03,062 --> 00:16:05,831
I want to do something
befitting what could be
376
00:16:05,898 --> 00:16:08,467
very well the last
night of wrestling
377
00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:10,602
on the Turner Networks.
378
00:16:10,636 --> 00:16:12,805
[Audience shouting]
379
00:16:12,838 --> 00:16:15,307
That being said, I'll see
you all in Panama City
380
00:16:15,341 --> 00:16:17,910
next Monday night,
the Night of Champions.
381
00:16:17,943 --> 00:16:20,245
[Commentary]
Incredible!
382
00:16:20,279 --> 00:16:22,314
♪
383
00:16:22,348 --> 00:16:24,483
[Eric] We're just getting
ready to close,
384
00:16:24,516 --> 00:16:26,185
and I got a call
from Brian Bedol,
385
00:16:26,251 --> 00:16:29,088
and Brian said,
"Eric, it's done."
386
00:16:29,121 --> 00:16:31,357
I said,
"Congratulations, Brian!"
387
00:16:31,423 --> 00:16:33,359
He said, "No, you don't
understand. It's done.
388
00:16:33,425 --> 00:16:37,096
The deal is over.
It's off the table."
389
00:16:37,129 --> 00:16:39,932
We were rounding third
heading for home
390
00:16:39,965 --> 00:16:41,934
and there was no
warning whatsoever.
391
00:16:41,967 --> 00:16:44,370
It came completely
out of the blue.
392
00:16:44,436 --> 00:16:46,939
Jamie Kellner,
he was the head dog.
393
00:16:46,972 --> 00:16:48,974
And he looked
at the WCW deal,
394
00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:51,710
and contemplated us having
at least a couple of years
395
00:16:51,777 --> 00:16:54,613
of two hours of prime time
on Monday night,
396
00:16:54,646 --> 00:16:56,348
two hours of prime time
on Thursday night,
397
00:16:56,382 --> 00:16:59,385
and Kellner didn't want that
beachfront property
398
00:16:59,451 --> 00:17:01,520
to be dedicated to
wrestling content.
399
00:17:01,553 --> 00:17:03,122
He wanted that
prime time schedule
400
00:17:03,155 --> 00:17:05,290
for other programming.
401
00:17:05,324 --> 00:17:07,459
The cold, hard truth
is that WCW was
402
00:17:07,493 --> 00:17:09,962
completely reliant
on television.
403
00:17:09,995 --> 00:17:11,897
So much so in fact
that Eric Bischoff
404
00:17:11,964 --> 00:17:14,533
famously quipped that
without television the
405
00:17:14,566 --> 00:17:17,636
company was worth
20 bucks, if anything.
406
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:19,571
So, at that point,
when you take the
407
00:17:19,638 --> 00:17:22,808
television distribution off
the table, you're taking
408
00:17:22,841 --> 00:17:25,377
90% of the revenue
out of the equation.
409
00:17:25,411 --> 00:17:27,146
The deal was not
worth it to us.
410
00:17:27,179 --> 00:17:29,415
It effectively
killed the deal.
411
00:17:29,481 --> 00:17:31,350
I was devastated.
412
00:17:31,383 --> 00:17:34,520
♪
413
00:17:34,553 --> 00:17:36,221
What am I doing here?
414
00:17:36,255 --> 00:17:37,723
Stu Snyder.
415
00:17:37,756 --> 00:17:39,758
Ready, go.
Action.
416
00:17:39,825 --> 00:17:40,859
♪
417
00:17:40,893 --> 00:17:43,495
Growing up,
I loved wrestling.
418
00:17:43,529 --> 00:17:45,164
I lived in New York.
419
00:17:45,197 --> 00:17:48,233
I remember going to Madison
Square Garden once a month.
420
00:17:48,267 --> 00:17:50,035
Bruno Sammartino.
421
00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:52,271
Ivan Putski,
Gorilla Monsoon,
422
00:17:52,337 --> 00:17:53,705
George "The Animal" Steele.
423
00:17:53,739 --> 00:17:56,075
I can go on.
I enjoyed it, I loved it.
424
00:17:56,108 --> 00:17:58,077
It's a core element
of my childhood.
425
00:17:58,110 --> 00:18:01,580
I joined Turner
Broadcasting in 1993.
426
00:18:01,613 --> 00:18:04,883
My responsibility was to
come onboard and head up
427
00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:07,119
the unit called Turner
Home Entertainment.
428
00:18:07,186 --> 00:18:10,355
And then, I left,
did a few other things,
429
00:18:10,389 --> 00:18:12,424
including becoming
the president and
430
00:18:12,458 --> 00:18:16,128
chief operating officer of
WWF Entertainment.
431
00:18:16,195 --> 00:18:18,430
The first thing I was
looking to do was to
432
00:18:18,464 --> 00:18:20,232
keep growing the
core business.
433
00:18:20,265 --> 00:18:23,202
To look for new opportunities
for the company.
434
00:18:23,235 --> 00:18:26,572
I continued to read about
what was happening at WCW.
435
00:18:26,605 --> 00:18:29,074
I kept reading about the
behind the scenes angst
436
00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:30,309
going on there.
437
00:18:30,375 --> 00:18:32,144
The ratings
weren't improving.
438
00:18:32,211 --> 00:18:33,545
What's gonna
happen here?
439
00:18:33,579 --> 00:18:34,780
Are they gonna
stick with this?
440
00:18:34,813 --> 00:18:36,248
Are they not gonna
stick with it?
441
00:18:36,281 --> 00:18:38,650
And then what I recall
is picking up the phone,
442
00:18:38,717 --> 00:18:40,719
and calling Brad and,
you know,
443
00:18:40,752 --> 00:18:42,254
just checking in
first of all,
444
00:18:42,287 --> 00:18:44,890
'cause we've known each
other for a long, long time.
445
00:18:44,923 --> 00:18:47,326
I keep reading about
this stuff. Are you okay?
446
00:18:47,392 --> 00:18:49,661
And, you know, he'd share
with me some of
447
00:18:49,728 --> 00:18:51,263
the angst he was
going through.
448
00:18:51,296 --> 00:18:53,665
I may have said something to
the effect of, "Hey, look,
449
00:18:53,732 --> 00:18:56,268
if there's ever a reason
to have a conversation,
450
00:18:56,301 --> 00:18:58,570
I think we might be
interested."
451
00:18:58,604 --> 00:19:00,939
We were aware that there
was another player.
452
00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:03,108
It didn't factor
into anything.
453
00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:04,443
I didn't know their deal,
454
00:19:04,476 --> 00:19:05,644
I didn't know what
they were offering.
455
00:19:05,677 --> 00:19:07,079
Knew nothing.
456
00:19:07,112 --> 00:19:09,748
Internally at WWF,
we had made a decision,
457
00:19:09,781 --> 00:19:14,186
we thought if we could do a
transaction to acquire WCW,
458
00:19:14,253 --> 00:19:17,789
we were going to work really
hard to get that done.
459
00:19:17,823 --> 00:19:19,958
On Friday March 23rd,
460
00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:22,327
the WWF announces
the unthinkable,
461
00:19:22,361 --> 00:19:26,165
that it has purchased
its competition, WCW.
462
00:19:26,198 --> 00:19:28,300
♪
463
00:19:33,372 --> 00:19:35,274
On March 26th, 2001,
464
00:19:35,307 --> 00:19:38,043
the final episode
of WCW Nitro is
465
00:19:38,110 --> 00:19:40,679
broadcast live from
Panama City Beach, Florida.
466
00:19:40,712 --> 00:19:42,381
What is this for?
467
00:19:44,883 --> 00:19:46,718
Last two days, oh.
468
00:19:46,785 --> 00:19:49,621
♪
469
00:19:49,655 --> 00:19:53,458
[Indistinct television]
470
00:19:53,492 --> 00:19:57,996
♪
471
00:19:58,030 --> 00:20:00,332
It's great.
472
00:20:00,365 --> 00:20:03,468
♪
473
00:20:03,502 --> 00:20:05,537
Get the fuck out of here.
474
00:20:05,571 --> 00:20:08,507
Do you know anything?
What's going on tonight?
475
00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:13,912
-Holy shit.
-What is that all about?
476
00:20:13,979 --> 00:20:16,848
♪
477
00:20:16,882 --> 00:20:18,584
Panama City, Florida.
478
00:20:19,851 --> 00:20:22,521
Wow, that's big time,
brother.
479
00:20:22,554 --> 00:20:24,089
Here we go, in 5...
480
00:20:24,156 --> 00:20:26,191
4...
481
00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,093
♪
482
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,930
You had Vince McMahon
starting the show, on camera.
483
00:20:31,997 --> 00:20:34,233
It's hard to overstate
just how shocking
484
00:20:34,266 --> 00:20:35,701
that was at the time.
485
00:20:35,734 --> 00:20:38,270
Imagine that.
486
00:20:38,337 --> 00:20:41,773
Me, Vince McMahon.
487
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,609
Imagine that.
488
00:20:43,675 --> 00:20:47,913
Here I am on
WCW television.
489
00:20:47,946 --> 00:20:50,282
How can that happen?
490
00:20:50,349 --> 00:20:52,184
Well, there's only way.
491
00:20:52,217 --> 00:20:55,787
You see, it was just a
matter of time before
492
00:20:55,854 --> 00:20:58,357
I, Vince McMahon,
493
00:20:58,390 --> 00:21:00,592
bought my competition.
494
00:21:00,626 --> 00:21:02,094
That's right.
495
00:21:02,127 --> 00:21:03,795
I own...
496
00:21:03,862 --> 00:21:05,597
WCW.
497
00:21:05,631 --> 00:21:09,268
Therefore, in its
final broadcast,
498
00:21:09,301 --> 00:21:11,236
tonight on TNT,
499
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:13,438
I have the opportunity
to address-
500
00:21:13,472 --> 00:21:17,242
What is the fate of WCW?
501
00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:19,945
Because the fate...
502
00:21:19,978 --> 00:21:24,283
the very fate of WCW...
503
00:21:24,316 --> 00:21:27,219
is in my hands.
504
00:21:27,252 --> 00:21:29,921
[Audience shouting
& cheering]
505
00:21:29,955 --> 00:21:31,890
We thought we were coming
to work like a regular day.
506
00:21:31,923 --> 00:21:34,626
And no one knew
until that night.
507
00:21:34,660 --> 00:21:37,562
No one knew.
508
00:21:37,596 --> 00:21:40,098
We saw Vince come
up on the tron.
509
00:21:40,132 --> 00:21:42,067
No matter how you look
at it, at that point,
510
00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:44,503
you know, no matter
how it's spread...
511
00:21:44,569 --> 00:21:46,104
they win the war.
512
00:21:46,138 --> 00:21:49,341
When WWE acquired WCW,
513
00:21:49,408 --> 00:21:51,343
it felt like the
end of an era.
514
00:21:51,410 --> 00:21:52,944
It sucked.
515
00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:55,981
The 800-pound gorilla
of the room had won.
516
00:21:56,014 --> 00:21:58,150
Had no idea what Vince
would do with it.
517
00:21:58,183 --> 00:22:01,153
I didn't know if it was more
advantageous for him to
518
00:22:01,186 --> 00:22:03,822
buy it and keep it afloat,
519
00:22:03,855 --> 00:22:06,925
and then have
the competition.
520
00:22:06,958 --> 00:22:08,960
Or destroy it.
521
00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:12,698
So, the fear of the unknown
is pretty, pretty heavy.
522
00:22:12,764 --> 00:22:15,701
There was a lot sadness
and a lot of uncertainty.
523
00:22:15,767 --> 00:22:19,538
Who they were gonna hire,
who they were gonna cut.
524
00:22:19,604 --> 00:22:21,006
[Off-screen] We don't really
know what's going on.
525
00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:22,808
People are happy and
sad at the same time.
526
00:22:22,841 --> 00:22:24,309
They don't know why.
527
00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:26,678
I don't think you want my
real feelings about it,
528
00:22:26,712 --> 00:22:28,347
'cause it ain't pretty.
529
00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:30,115
It was very emotional.
530
00:22:30,148 --> 00:22:31,383
I remember
Dusty was there,
531
00:22:31,450 --> 00:22:33,885
so I was sticking
pretty close to him.
532
00:22:33,952 --> 00:22:35,854
There were WWF
signs up,
533
00:22:35,887 --> 00:22:37,789
which was really weird.
534
00:22:37,823 --> 00:22:39,124
You know, 'cause there's
always signs like on the
535
00:22:39,157 --> 00:22:40,692
dressing room doors,
you know, wherever,
536
00:22:40,726 --> 00:22:42,294
and you were
seeing "WWF".
537
00:22:42,327 --> 00:22:44,896
I mean,
it felt like a slap.
538
00:22:44,963 --> 00:22:47,032
I remember Shane McMahon
coming in and,
539
00:22:47,065 --> 00:22:49,301
and he had like a little
brief meeting with everybody.
540
00:22:49,334 --> 00:22:51,236
And we get told that the
company's been sold to
541
00:22:51,303 --> 00:22:53,338
the WWE,
and tonight,
542
00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:55,374
everybody's gonna
find out about it.
543
00:22:55,407 --> 00:22:58,744
And a lot of guys were like,
"Oh, my god."
544
00:22:58,810 --> 00:23:00,412
As I was seeing,
you know,
545
00:23:00,479 --> 00:23:03,181
the wrestlers and
performers backstage...
546
00:23:03,215 --> 00:23:05,016
you know, shoulders might
have been slumped
547
00:23:05,050 --> 00:23:06,651
before they walked
through the curtain,
548
00:23:06,685 --> 00:23:08,053
but then when they
walked through,
549
00:23:08,086 --> 00:23:10,088
it's back to
business as normal.
550
00:23:10,155 --> 00:23:12,057
And then when they came
back after their match,
551
00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:14,192
or segment, or whatever,
it's back to...
552
00:23:14,226 --> 00:23:16,428
"What's going on?
What's gonna happen?"
553
00:23:16,495 --> 00:23:18,997
Let's not lose sight of the
fact this is the last Nitro
554
00:23:19,030 --> 00:23:22,267
on the Turner Network, and
we're going out with a bang!
555
00:23:22,334 --> 00:23:24,903
Scott Steiner and I, we,
ah, had a conversation.
556
00:23:24,936 --> 00:23:26,872
And Scott goes,
"Bro, you know,
557
00:23:26,905 --> 00:23:28,106
what do you think
they're gonna do, man?
558
00:23:28,173 --> 00:23:29,608
What do you think
they're gonna do?"
559
00:23:29,674 --> 00:23:31,676
And I look at Scott,
and I go, "Bro,
560
00:23:31,710 --> 00:23:33,945
we was
auditioning that night."
561
00:23:34,012 --> 00:23:35,213
Booker T,
the cover!
562
00:23:35,247 --> 00:23:37,215
[Indistinct commentary]
563
00:23:37,249 --> 00:23:38,917
Oh! And he nailed it!
564
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:40,619
Everyone was
working that night,
565
00:23:40,685 --> 00:23:42,521
so we went out
and we rocked it.
566
00:23:42,554 --> 00:23:44,589
[Indistinct shouting
commentary]
567
00:23:44,623 --> 00:23:47,926
And 1, 2- could it be it?
Yes, it is! Yeah!
568
00:23:47,959 --> 00:23:49,528
Booker T!
[Match bell ringing]
569
00:23:49,561 --> 00:23:51,430
I didn't know I was gonna win
the world title that night,
570
00:23:51,463 --> 00:23:53,932
but then when I did
find that out, I go,
571
00:23:53,965 --> 00:23:56,468
"Oh, yeah, man. I got a
chip in the game.
572
00:23:56,535 --> 00:24:00,238
They got eyes on me,"
you know, so I was, ah...
573
00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:03,241
I was really excited.
574
00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,444
I was probably perhaps
one of the only guys
575
00:24:05,477 --> 00:24:08,046
that was excited though.
576
00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:09,781
[Nash] I mean,
it was sad, you know.
577
00:24:09,815 --> 00:24:12,217
It was, it wasn't even sad,
it was pathetic.
578
00:24:13,985 --> 00:24:16,388
Because fucking people
actually showed up.
579
00:24:16,421 --> 00:24:20,492
"Hey! You guys want to
be on the Titanic?"
580
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:24,329
Nah. Good.
581
00:24:24,396 --> 00:24:26,164
I'll sit and watch the
fucking thing sink
582
00:24:26,231 --> 00:24:27,999
from my fucking house.
583
00:24:28,066 --> 00:24:29,835
[Eric] I didn't watch it
as it happened live.
584
00:24:29,901 --> 00:24:31,670
I feel bad for the
talent that were there.
585
00:24:31,736 --> 00:24:33,638
I feel bad for the production
staff that were there
586
00:24:33,672 --> 00:24:35,740
that didn't see it coming,
had no idea
587
00:24:35,774 --> 00:24:37,676
what their futures
were going to be.
588
00:24:37,742 --> 00:24:41,913
It's a big life change, but
as far as the brand, itself,
589
00:24:41,947 --> 00:24:44,916
I walked away from it.
I no longer cared.
590
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:46,485
It's gonna be an
emotional thing.
591
00:24:46,518 --> 00:24:48,086
You see a lot of
production guys,
592
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,688
a lot of people with cameras
taking pictures of the guys
593
00:24:49,754 --> 00:24:53,291
and, to me, I look at it as
the day you left college,
594
00:24:53,325 --> 00:24:55,360
and guys you might
not see again.
595
00:24:55,427 --> 00:24:58,830
But this is a tight-knit
group of guys we have.
596
00:24:58,864 --> 00:25:01,633
Like one of the camera guys,
and what a sweetheart guy.
597
00:25:01,666 --> 00:25:04,703
He'd been working for
the company for 27 years.
598
00:25:04,769 --> 00:25:07,205
All of those people...
599
00:25:07,272 --> 00:25:09,774
lost their livelihood.
600
00:25:09,808 --> 00:25:13,345
And that's why I say
fuck you, Jamie Kellner.
601
00:25:13,378 --> 00:25:14,846
I was concerned about
a lot of people that
602
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,315
just couldn't walk into
a job so easily.
603
00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:19,684
Our jobs are so different.
604
00:25:19,718 --> 00:25:21,486
It's not a factory.
605
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,321
We don't do the same
thing every day.
606
00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:25,891
We're a combination of
a circus and the army.
607
00:25:25,957 --> 00:25:28,627
And, to get that good at it,
we had to have
608
00:25:28,660 --> 00:25:30,495
the right people in
the right places.
609
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:32,864
And, the way you got
to that point was
610
00:25:32,898 --> 00:25:35,033
the trust of one another.
611
00:25:35,066 --> 00:25:39,738
♪
612
00:25:39,804 --> 00:25:43,174
♪
613
00:25:43,208 --> 00:25:46,077
And now you can't do it
together anymore.
614
00:25:46,144 --> 00:25:47,312
♪
615
00:25:47,345 --> 00:25:49,848
Everybody was in a
bad space. You know,
616
00:25:49,881 --> 00:25:51,316
a lot of them didn't know
what they were gonna do.
617
00:25:51,349 --> 00:25:53,985
But, there is a time,
you know, you gotta...
618
00:25:54,019 --> 00:25:55,820
you know,
you gotta let it go.
619
00:25:55,854 --> 00:25:59,925
But in this business,
it's a little bit different.
620
00:25:59,991 --> 00:26:01,860
What was really
weird to me,
621
00:26:01,893 --> 00:26:04,262
this multimillion
dollar company
622
00:26:04,329 --> 00:26:08,166
was sold to WWE
for like nothing.
623
00:26:08,199 --> 00:26:09,834
I'm not saying that
there was anything
624
00:26:09,868 --> 00:26:12,103
spooky kooky
going on there.
625
00:26:12,170 --> 00:26:14,272
But, I have
my suspicions.
626
00:26:14,339 --> 00:26:16,341
♪ [Bell chiming] ♪
627
00:26:20,845 --> 00:26:25,283
I own WCW!
I own the WWF!
628
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:28,019
And you will treat me
with respect!
629
00:26:28,053 --> 00:26:30,221
[Booing]
630
00:26:30,255 --> 00:26:33,358
♪
631
00:26:33,391 --> 00:26:36,127
When you think about the
final purchase price,
632
00:26:36,194 --> 00:26:38,229
we're talking about a
company that at its peak
633
00:26:38,263 --> 00:26:40,899
was generating in the
neighborhood of $200 million
634
00:26:40,932 --> 00:26:44,402
a year, and a huge
part of pop culture,
635
00:26:44,436 --> 00:26:46,972
that gets sold for a little
over 4 million bucks.
636
00:26:47,038 --> 00:26:48,306
I always thought that,
637
00:26:48,373 --> 00:26:50,475
when I heard the price
of what they paid for WCW,
638
00:26:50,542 --> 00:26:52,277
it was an inside job
of some sort.
639
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:54,079
[Clicking film reel]
640
00:26:54,112 --> 00:26:56,114
Somebody filled their
pockets by making that deal
641
00:26:56,147 --> 00:26:57,882
for cheaply as it was.
642
00:26:57,916 --> 00:26:59,918
Maybe there's
an envelope...
643
00:26:59,951 --> 00:27:02,153
pushed across the desk.
644
00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:06,224
Maybe you got influence with
the guy that's selling it.
645
00:27:06,257 --> 00:27:09,160
Look, there's some
murky circumstances.
646
00:27:09,227 --> 00:27:12,063
Stu Snyder was an executive
at Turner Broadcasting, and,
647
00:27:12,097 --> 00:27:14,799
oh, by the way, Stu Snyder,
after the fact just
648
00:27:14,833 --> 00:27:19,004
happens to land a plum
executive role with WWE.
649
00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:21,006
Oh, my god,
that's, that's Bob Ryder!
650
00:27:21,072 --> 00:27:23,475
That's Bob Ryder
from WCW.com!
651
00:27:23,508 --> 00:27:25,777
Bob, run!
Run!
652
00:27:25,810 --> 00:27:29,347
Bob Ryder, he was one of
the hosts on shows
653
00:27:29,414 --> 00:27:31,750
that were broadcast
over WCW.com.
654
00:27:31,783 --> 00:27:34,352
So, in the summer
following the
655
00:27:34,419 --> 00:27:37,789
sale of WCW being
purchased by the WWF,
656
00:27:37,822 --> 00:27:41,660
Bob Ryder puts out a widely
disseminated post online,
657
00:27:41,693 --> 00:27:43,428
essentially alleging that
there had been
658
00:27:43,461 --> 00:27:45,096
a conspiracy at play.
659
00:27:45,130 --> 00:27:46,431
[Eric] Bob Ryder,
he was a good man,
660
00:27:46,464 --> 00:27:47,799
and a good friend.
661
00:27:47,832 --> 00:27:50,702
And I know that Bob had
written about a theory that
662
00:27:50,769 --> 00:27:56,107
Brad Siegel helped facilitate
the actual sale to WWE
663
00:27:56,141 --> 00:27:59,944
by convincing Jamie Kellner
to take the
664
00:27:59,978 --> 00:28:03,815
distribution of programming
out of the deal.
665
00:28:03,848 --> 00:28:07,452
Bob's theory was Brad Siegel
really didn't want WCW
666
00:28:07,485 --> 00:28:09,621
as a part of the
Turner portfolio,
667
00:28:09,654 --> 00:28:12,457
and this was
Brad Siegel's way of
668
00:28:12,490 --> 00:28:15,527
using Jamie Kellner
to kill the deal.
669
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,530
[Guy] The conspiracy theory is
really something like
670
00:28:18,563 --> 00:28:20,665
out of a wrestling
storyline, essentially.
671
00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:23,802
There was a plot initiated
by Brad Siegel and
672
00:28:23,835 --> 00:28:27,639
Stu Snyder to clear the
path for it to have
673
00:28:27,672 --> 00:28:29,808
a quick sale to the WWF.
674
00:28:29,841 --> 00:28:32,744
Stu Snyder at that time was
the president of the WWF,
675
00:28:32,811 --> 00:28:34,646
he had previously worked
at Turner Broadcasting,
676
00:28:34,679 --> 00:28:36,581
had a relationship
with Brad Siegel.
677
00:28:36,648 --> 00:28:39,551
And so, the allegation
was that
678
00:28:39,584 --> 00:28:41,886
there were covert
talks between the two,
679
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,389
and the primary piece of
evidence was the fact
680
00:28:44,422 --> 00:28:47,759
that WCW was sold
for 4.3 million bucks.
681
00:28:47,826 --> 00:28:49,260
I don't know
that that's true.
682
00:28:49,327 --> 00:28:51,563
It is a conspiracy theory.
683
00:28:51,596 --> 00:28:54,999
Unfortunately, there are
enough questions,
684
00:28:55,033 --> 00:28:57,168
and questionable
relationships,
685
00:28:57,202 --> 00:29:00,505
that lend interest in
a conspiracy like that.
686
00:29:09,047 --> 00:29:10,782
No. Well,
first of all, it was-
687
00:29:10,849 --> 00:29:14,552
I mean, we'd known each
other our entire careers.
688
00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,387
I mean, the fact
that Stu Snyder
689
00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:19,724
was running WWE and was
690
00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:22,627
a likely buyer for WCW
691
00:29:22,694 --> 00:29:24,963
is purely coincidence.
692
00:29:30,802 --> 00:29:32,470
No.
693
00:29:32,537 --> 00:29:34,539
It's as simple as that.
694
00:29:34,572 --> 00:29:38,543
My understanding is that Brad
reported up to Jamie Kellner,
695
00:29:38,576 --> 00:29:41,479
and that Jamie made
the decision, said,
696
00:29:41,546 --> 00:29:44,749
"I don't want it on our, on
our air," and canceled it.
697
00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:46,751
[Guy] If you think about
how serious these
698
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:48,419
particular allegations are,
and the fact that
699
00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:51,589
they would lead to
potential FCC violations
700
00:29:51,623 --> 00:29:54,292
and have serious
professional and
701
00:29:54,325 --> 00:29:56,461
personal consequences
for all people involved,
702
00:29:56,494 --> 00:29:58,663
it's quite the
audacious plot,
703
00:29:58,730 --> 00:30:00,965
given the high profile
nature of the people that
704
00:30:00,999 --> 00:30:04,569
we're talking about and,
what they stood to lose if,
705
00:30:04,602 --> 00:30:06,070
eventually, they would
be convicted
706
00:30:06,104 --> 00:30:08,907
essentially of
corporate espionage.
707
00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:12,277
I'm not saying I'm 100%
convinced that Stu Snyder
708
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:16,681
was part of an orchestration
to make sure WCW
709
00:30:16,748 --> 00:30:19,584
got sold for nickels
on the dollar.
710
00:30:19,617 --> 00:30:21,653
I'm not suggesting
that I know that.
711
00:30:21,686 --> 00:30:23,588
I just lean in that
direction because
712
00:30:23,621 --> 00:30:26,524
I don't believe in the
number of coincidences
713
00:30:26,591 --> 00:30:28,793
that surround this
entire situation.
714
00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:30,628
I'm just not buying it.
715
00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:32,630
I understand... gossip.
716
00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:34,499
I understand rumor.
717
00:30:34,532 --> 00:30:37,135
But, it's easy to sit on
the sidelines and
718
00:30:37,168 --> 00:30:40,972
not really understand the
economics of the businesses
719
00:30:41,005 --> 00:30:42,807
to say what
something is worth.
720
00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:46,344
If there was a deal out
there worth $60 million,
721
00:30:46,377 --> 00:30:49,113
I can guarantee you as
I'm sitting here today,
722
00:30:49,147 --> 00:30:52,784
the Turner executives
would have made a deal.
723
00:30:52,817 --> 00:30:54,152
We wanted to sell it.
724
00:30:54,185 --> 00:30:56,554
When we sold it,
that's what it was worth.
725
00:30:56,621 --> 00:31:00,825
My regret is that when the
ratings started to plummet,
726
00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:03,895
we could not find
the right story,
727
00:31:03,962 --> 00:31:08,333
the right players in that
story to turn it around.
728
00:31:08,366 --> 00:31:10,001
You know, that's a
big regret of mine.
729
00:31:10,034 --> 00:31:11,402
We weren't successful.
730
00:31:11,469 --> 00:31:13,071
Sometimes that happens.
731
00:31:13,137 --> 00:31:15,540
You can't always
be successful.
732
00:31:15,573 --> 00:31:18,576
I feel a responsibility
for it because
733
00:31:18,643 --> 00:31:20,979
I clearly was not the
person to do it.
734
00:31:21,012 --> 00:31:23,481
I didn't know the
business and
735
00:31:23,514 --> 00:31:26,417
the story well enough to,
to write it myself.
736
00:31:26,484 --> 00:31:27,886
I'm not a writer.
737
00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:29,754
So, yeah, I'm really
sad about that,
738
00:31:29,821 --> 00:31:32,557
and regret it wasn't
a different outcome.
739
00:31:36,661 --> 00:31:38,563
In my opinion,
740
00:31:38,596 --> 00:31:41,900
without a strong advocate...
741
00:31:41,933 --> 00:31:45,069
who really believed
in the business,
742
00:31:45,103 --> 00:31:46,771
it would have been
tough to exist there,
743
00:31:46,838 --> 00:31:48,106
with everything else,
744
00:31:48,172 --> 00:31:50,541
their challenges
as a company.
745
00:31:50,575 --> 00:31:52,043
But that world had passed.
746
00:31:52,076 --> 00:31:55,413
Ted was that person who
was its chief advocate.
747
00:31:55,446 --> 00:31:57,248
In the new AOL Time Warner,
748
00:31:57,282 --> 00:31:58,383
without that person,
749
00:31:58,416 --> 00:32:00,418
I don't know how
it succeeds there.
750
00:32:00,451 --> 00:32:02,720
And, for good or for worse,
the one thing that
751
00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:04,856
all the talent knew,
752
00:32:04,889 --> 00:32:07,392
they knew where the
buck stopped at WWF.
753
00:32:07,425 --> 00:32:09,093
It was Vince.
754
00:32:09,127 --> 00:32:10,929
You were either in line
or you were out.
755
00:32:10,962 --> 00:32:13,231
That's how Vince
ran that place.
756
00:32:13,264 --> 00:32:15,066
That place was a
different story,
757
00:32:15,099 --> 00:32:16,935
a different time,
different era.
758
00:32:16,968 --> 00:32:19,570
So, unless you had somebody
like that who can go,
759
00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:21,539
"This is the way it's gonna
run and I have the support of
760
00:32:21,572 --> 00:32:25,977
corporate to leave it alone
and let me do my thing,"
761
00:32:26,044 --> 00:32:27,946
I think it would have
been challenging.
762
00:32:27,979 --> 00:32:30,281
It's been proven that
it was challenging.
763
00:32:30,315 --> 00:32:31,983
♪
764
00:32:39,457 --> 00:32:41,993
Let me be clear:
we weren't looking at all
765
00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:43,962
to buy something
and kill it.
766
00:32:43,995 --> 00:32:45,663
This brand is still good.
767
00:32:45,730 --> 00:32:48,399
It's still relevant,
to an audience.
768
00:32:48,433 --> 00:32:51,302
We're gonna figure out,
how do we keep it alive?
769
00:32:51,336 --> 00:32:54,172
And maybe over time
it comes back
770
00:32:54,238 --> 00:32:56,007
as a separate show.
771
00:32:56,074 --> 00:32:58,109
In my head, I saw this
great rivalry that
772
00:32:58,142 --> 00:33:00,178
was under one roof.
773
00:33:00,244 --> 00:33:01,512
♪
774
00:33:01,579 --> 00:33:03,314
First of all, it all started
with the famous
775
00:33:03,348 --> 00:33:07,952
Shane McMahon showing up
on WCW, on Nitro.
776
00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:11,589
And proclaiming, you know,
the storyline of, basically,
777
00:33:11,622 --> 00:33:13,992
Vince was gonna buy WCW,
but- [claps]-
778
00:33:14,025 --> 00:33:16,194
he snagged it
out from him.
779
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:18,196
[Shane]
That's right!
780
00:33:18,262 --> 00:33:22,934
I now own WCW!
781
00:33:22,967 --> 00:33:24,702
I remember sitting down in
my hotel room and
782
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:28,272
writing down all the wrestlers
who I had hoped to wrestle-
783
00:33:28,306 --> 00:33:30,541
Goldberg,
Sting, Savage.
784
00:33:30,608 --> 00:33:32,810
Everybody in the NWO.
It's like, I remember
785
00:33:32,844 --> 00:33:35,013
writing everybody down
and going to Vince,
786
00:33:35,046 --> 00:33:36,447
and saying, "Hey,
this might be a good idea.
787
00:33:36,481 --> 00:33:37,815
What about this guy, and
this guy, and this guy,
788
00:33:37,849 --> 00:33:39,784
and this guy?
Let's bring them in."
789
00:33:39,817 --> 00:33:41,986
[Eric] There was so much
speculation as to how,
790
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:43,621
how it would all work.
791
00:33:43,654 --> 00:33:45,390
What people don't realize
is that when
792
00:33:45,456 --> 00:33:47,525
WWE acquired WCW,
793
00:33:47,558 --> 00:33:49,861
the assets of WCW,
the contracts
794
00:33:49,894 --> 00:33:51,629
weren't really part
of the equation.
795
00:33:51,662 --> 00:33:53,364
It wasn't like all of
the talent that was
796
00:33:53,398 --> 00:33:56,968
under contract automatically
came to WWF.
797
00:33:57,001 --> 00:33:59,337
At least not the big names
that mattered.
798
00:33:59,370 --> 00:34:02,040
Some of those people had
quite a bit of time left
799
00:34:02,073 --> 00:34:04,542
on their contracts and they
were gonna get paid anyway.
800
00:34:04,575 --> 00:34:06,411
I knew that at the time guys
were getting 50 cents
801
00:34:06,477 --> 00:34:08,746
on the dollar on their
existing contracts.
802
00:34:08,813 --> 00:34:11,082
[Laughs] That was not
happening with me.
803
00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:13,084
I'm not gonna give in.
I'm not gonna do it.
804
00:34:13,151 --> 00:34:14,652
So, if I had to sit out
for three years,
805
00:34:14,685 --> 00:34:16,320
I sat out for three years.
806
00:34:16,354 --> 00:34:19,157
Not everybody wanted
to go to work for WWE.
807
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:21,859
You didn't have Sting,
you didn't have Lex Luger,
808
00:34:21,893 --> 00:34:23,494
you didn't have Goldberg.
809
00:34:23,528 --> 00:34:26,230
What do you really have?
810
00:34:26,264 --> 00:34:29,734
I still had like over a year
left on my contract.
811
00:34:29,767 --> 00:34:32,003
They offered me
a 50% buyout,
812
00:34:32,036 --> 00:34:34,572
and, ah, go to work
or just, you know,
813
00:34:34,605 --> 00:34:36,607
sit at home for
the next year.
814
00:34:36,674 --> 00:34:38,543
I said, "Nah, man,"
I said,
815
00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:40,878
"You know, out of sight,
out of mind," you know.
816
00:34:40,912 --> 00:34:43,614
I remember Ric Flair
said a long time ago,
817
00:34:43,681 --> 00:34:46,184
"Time off is your
worst enemy." You know,
818
00:34:46,217 --> 00:34:48,052
so I was like,
let's get-
819
00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:50,621
take the 50% buyout and
let's go to work.
820
00:34:50,688 --> 00:34:52,790
Wait a minute!
What the hell?
821
00:34:52,857 --> 00:34:55,293
[Fans shouting]
822
00:34:55,359 --> 00:34:57,361
Ah! Booker T!
823
00:34:57,395 --> 00:35:00,565
He's the WW...
WCW champion!
824
00:35:00,598 --> 00:35:02,633
Back then it was a test.
825
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:03,801
Let's throw these
guys out here,
826
00:35:03,868 --> 00:35:05,303
see how good
they really are
827
00:35:05,369 --> 00:35:08,773
compared to
the WWE guys.
828
00:35:08,806 --> 00:35:12,810
Shane and I decided
to join forces.
829
00:35:12,877 --> 00:35:15,113
Oh, the invasion storyline
was supposed to be
830
00:35:15,146 --> 00:35:18,549
the best that WCW
had to offer versus
831
00:35:18,583 --> 00:35:21,452
the best that
WWE had to offer.
832
00:35:21,486 --> 00:35:24,555
But, we were in no shape to
actually be able to really,
833
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:27,258
really pull off an invasion
mainly just because
834
00:35:27,291 --> 00:35:29,260
we did not have enough
star power to
835
00:35:29,293 --> 00:35:32,396
really, really get that
thing off the ground.
836
00:35:32,430 --> 00:35:36,400
And they never really did
a WCW-WWE feud correctly,
837
00:35:36,434 --> 00:35:39,337
and I think that was a big
mistake by Vince McMahon.
838
00:35:39,403 --> 00:35:42,240
I think he could've done
some really cool match-ups
839
00:35:42,273 --> 00:35:44,475
and some really cool things.
840
00:35:44,509 --> 00:35:48,579
-Hey, yo.
-[Cheering]
841
00:35:48,613 --> 00:35:50,348
They were gonna write
842
00:35:50,414 --> 00:35:52,350
the history that
they wanted to create,
843
00:35:52,416 --> 00:35:54,285
and no matter
how you looked at it,
844
00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:57,255
we were the confederate
soldiers going to work for
845
00:35:57,288 --> 00:35:59,524
the union, and if you
thought that you were
846
00:35:59,590 --> 00:36:03,161
gonna go over one of their
top guys, bullshit.
847
00:36:03,194 --> 00:36:06,631
They brought us in
under the guise of,
848
00:36:06,664 --> 00:36:08,933
"this isn't gonna
work twice".
849
00:36:08,966 --> 00:36:10,168
I looked at Scott, I said,
850
00:36:10,201 --> 00:36:12,103
"We're gone, we're done,
we're dead."
851
00:36:12,136 --> 00:36:13,838
[Indistinct commentary]
852
00:36:13,871 --> 00:36:16,874
I get to have the
wonderful experience
853
00:36:16,941 --> 00:36:19,110
to watch my friend,
who now has been
854
00:36:19,143 --> 00:36:21,812
sober for 11 months,
855
00:36:21,846 --> 00:36:25,316
go downstairs and just start
pounding drinks.
856
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:27,552
And he's like, "Fuck it."
857
00:36:27,618 --> 00:36:30,221
You talk about a miserable
day in my life?
858
00:36:30,288 --> 00:36:31,822
♪
859
00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:35,726
When it's the WCW,
there was no room in
860
00:36:35,793 --> 00:36:39,664
New York City for a
company like WCW.
861
00:36:39,697 --> 00:36:40,965
That's just the way
I felt about it.
862
00:36:40,998 --> 00:36:43,034
When the WWE won the war,
863
00:36:43,067 --> 00:36:45,169
not only did they want
to win the war,
864
00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:48,306
but they wanted to bury
their opposition
865
00:36:48,339 --> 00:36:50,908
and they wanted to
plant the flag.
866
00:36:50,975 --> 00:36:54,412
And that's what they needed
to do more than anything
867
00:36:54,478 --> 00:36:57,848
to really solidify
winning that war,
868
00:36:57,882 --> 00:36:59,684
planting that flag.
869
00:36:59,717 --> 00:37:01,719
Yeah, they had to
be in, you know,
870
00:37:01,752 --> 00:37:04,889
a dominant position
to do that, yeah.
871
00:37:04,922 --> 00:37:06,724
We're back live here,
ladies and gentlemen.
872
00:37:06,757 --> 00:37:08,726
This crowd is still buzzing.
873
00:37:08,759 --> 00:37:11,329
Here comes
Mr. McMahon back.
874
00:37:11,362 --> 00:37:14,732
He promised to name the
new general manager of Raw.
875
00:37:14,765 --> 00:37:17,101
2002, Vince McMahon
called me,
876
00:37:17,168 --> 00:37:20,171
and while Vince was
speaking, I had already
877
00:37:20,204 --> 00:37:22,607
made up my mind that
this is my opportunity.
878
00:37:22,673 --> 00:37:24,709
Allow me to
introduce you to
879
00:37:24,742 --> 00:37:27,178
the new general
manager of Raw.
880
00:37:27,211 --> 00:37:32,016
His name is
Eric Bischoff!
881
00:37:32,049 --> 00:37:34,352
I'm not gonna say that
everybody in WWE
882
00:37:34,385 --> 00:37:36,554
was happy to
see me show up,
883
00:37:36,587 --> 00:37:37,855
but the people
that mattered
884
00:37:37,888 --> 00:37:40,258
could not have made me
feel more at home.
885
00:37:40,291 --> 00:37:42,526
[The Rock] I like Eric a lot,
we're good buddies.
886
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,228
Known him for a
very long time.
887
00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:47,898
And, he has his bust on
the Mount Rushmore of
888
00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:49,734
professional
wrestling executives.
889
00:37:49,767 --> 00:37:51,936
[Eric] Everything that
went wrong-
890
00:37:51,969 --> 00:37:53,771
the Fusient sale
falling through,
891
00:37:53,804 --> 00:37:56,073
the fact
that the narrative is,
892
00:37:56,107 --> 00:37:59,477
"Eric Bischoff
cratered WCW"-
893
00:37:59,543 --> 00:38:01,879
I had an opportunity to
write the last chapter
894
00:38:01,912 --> 00:38:03,114
of my story.
895
00:38:03,147 --> 00:38:04,448
Wait a minute...
896
00:38:04,482 --> 00:38:05,650
What?
What the...?
897
00:38:05,716 --> 00:38:07,885
What the hell is going on?
What is this?
898
00:38:07,918 --> 00:38:09,887
You know, I had been with
WWE for a few years as that
899
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,889
general manager
character and
900
00:38:11,922 --> 00:38:13,891
everything was going great,
and I remember getting
901
00:38:13,924 --> 00:38:15,326
the phone call from
Stephanie McMahon,
902
00:38:15,393 --> 00:38:16,761
who was head of creative
at that point.
903
00:38:16,794 --> 00:38:17,728
She goes, "Eric,
I don't want you
904
00:38:17,762 --> 00:38:19,063
to take this
the wrong way.
905
00:38:19,096 --> 00:38:20,765
You've done a great job.
906
00:38:20,798 --> 00:38:22,566
But we're gonna go in
a different direction."
907
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,335
Eric Bischoff
908
00:38:24,402 --> 00:38:27,171
has abused his power
for too long.
909
00:38:27,238 --> 00:38:30,474
John Cena was going to
hit me with his finish and
910
00:38:30,508 --> 00:38:32,310
drag me out of the ring,
and John Cena was
911
00:38:32,343 --> 00:38:34,278
gonna throw me in the
back of a garbage truck,
912
00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:36,614
and I was gonna be
hauled out of the arena.
913
00:38:36,647 --> 00:38:40,351
And I very seldom
questioned creative,
914
00:38:40,418 --> 00:38:41,819
but I went to Vince,
and said,
915
00:38:41,852 --> 00:38:43,854
"It doesn't make any sense
for John Cena to do it.
916
00:38:43,921 --> 00:38:46,357
It makes more sense
for you to do it."
917
00:38:46,424 --> 00:38:47,858
And I thought,
if I'm gonna do this,
918
00:38:47,925 --> 00:38:49,527
I'm gonna have
fun doing it.
919
00:38:49,593 --> 00:38:51,462
I'm gonna make
this fun for me.
920
00:38:51,495 --> 00:38:53,297
And I did, and I
had a blast.
921
00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:56,667
And I got to live a dream
and rewrite my own chapter,
922
00:38:56,701 --> 00:38:58,135
and I loved it,
every minute of it.
923
00:38:58,169 --> 00:39:00,171
There's not a second
of it that I regret.
924
00:39:09,647 --> 00:39:11,849
Ooh.
[Laughing]
925
00:39:11,882 --> 00:39:15,286
Who killed WCW?
926
00:39:15,319 --> 00:39:17,855
I think it was
Turner corporate.
927
00:39:17,888 --> 00:39:21,125
And, some of the people
within the booking committees.
928
00:39:21,158 --> 00:39:23,494
AOL Time Warner.
The executives,
929
00:39:23,527 --> 00:39:27,031
they were embarrassed
by goofy wrestling.
930
00:39:27,064 --> 00:39:29,700
The guys in Turner that
didn't want us and
931
00:39:29,734 --> 00:39:33,404
didn't like us, and the
top guys not letting
932
00:39:33,471 --> 00:39:36,374
the mid-card guys
interact with them.
933
00:39:36,407 --> 00:39:38,676
WCW killed itself.
934
00:39:38,709 --> 00:39:40,578
The cast of characters
935
00:39:40,644 --> 00:39:43,647
that was WCW,
killed WCW.
936
00:39:43,681 --> 00:39:46,684
It didn't function
as a team any longer.
937
00:39:46,717 --> 00:39:50,721
It functioned as a bunch of
self-seeking individuals.
938
00:39:50,755 --> 00:39:54,658
I've never see anybody
that was that high up
939
00:39:54,692 --> 00:39:58,662
in the food chain take
less responsibility.
940
00:39:58,696 --> 00:40:01,365
This is what killed WCW.
941
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:02,933
They were fighting
within themselves.
942
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,603
They were eating their own.
The wolves.
943
00:40:05,669 --> 00:40:07,438
Who killed WCW?
That's easy.
944
00:40:07,505 --> 00:40:09,240
Turner Sports.
945
00:40:09,273 --> 00:40:11,609
It would have to be the
person with the check book.
946
00:40:11,675 --> 00:40:14,211
It would have to be
Eric Bischoff.
947
00:40:14,245 --> 00:40:17,748
Vince Russo, Eric Bischoff-
two guys that had
948
00:40:17,782 --> 00:40:20,117
zero knowledge about
how to run wrestling,
949
00:40:20,184 --> 00:40:22,386
and they put themselves
in a position to
950
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:24,789
tell people like me
what to do.
951
00:40:24,855 --> 00:40:28,225
And, that's
what killed WCW.
952
00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:29,627
As a matter of fact,
I'm gonna give myself-
953
00:40:29,693 --> 00:40:32,430
[Applause]- A round
of applause for that!
954
00:40:32,463 --> 00:40:33,864
Yes, thank you.
955
00:40:33,898 --> 00:40:37,601
Bro, they took such a drop
from where they were
956
00:40:37,635 --> 00:40:40,237
to where it was
when it was sold,
957
00:40:40,271 --> 00:40:42,306
and so much money lost.
958
00:40:42,373 --> 00:40:44,975
I don't think anybody could
have done anything.
959
00:40:45,042 --> 00:40:49,613
So, I would say a business
decision killed WCW.
960
00:40:49,647 --> 00:40:52,049
I don't think one person
could have killed WCW
961
00:40:52,082 --> 00:40:53,751
by any stretch of
the imagination.
962
00:40:53,784 --> 00:40:54,952
There were a
shitload of people
963
00:40:54,985 --> 00:40:57,154
who contributed
to its downfall.
964
00:40:57,221 --> 00:40:59,590
I think it's a
collection of factors,
965
00:40:59,623 --> 00:41:01,892
a number of reasons
that explain its demise.
966
00:41:01,926 --> 00:41:03,327
There's plenty of
blame to go around,
967
00:41:03,394 --> 00:41:06,964
but I think ultimately it
was inevitable that it was,
968
00:41:06,997 --> 00:41:09,099
it was going
to fall apart.
969
00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:11,502
A good buddy of mine,
he's one of my best friends-
970
00:41:11,569 --> 00:41:14,271
Downtown Bruno-
when I first started,
971
00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:15,840
I said, "Bruno, give me
some advice."
972
00:41:15,906 --> 00:41:18,609
He said, "You're gonna hear
a voice one day,
973
00:41:18,642 --> 00:41:20,444
and that voice is
gonna say,
974
00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:23,747
'Go on home,
the big run's over'."
975
00:41:23,781 --> 00:41:27,117
WCW as an entity,
they heard that voice.
976
00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:30,321
And the big run was over,
and it was fucking awesome.
977
00:41:30,354 --> 00:41:33,958
♪
978
00:41:33,991 --> 00:41:36,760
Wow, man!
What a run!
979
00:41:36,794 --> 00:41:38,462
It was always about the
performances for me.
980
00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:40,865
It was always
about the fans.
981
00:41:40,931 --> 00:41:43,334
We were rock stars.
982
00:41:43,367 --> 00:41:45,936
Everywhere we
went was packed.
983
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:47,438
DDP!
984
00:41:47,471 --> 00:41:50,641
The whole WCW experience
was a hell of a ride.
985
00:41:50,674 --> 00:41:52,710
Period.
[Laughing]
986
00:41:52,776 --> 00:41:54,512
Let us remember
the lessons,
987
00:41:54,545 --> 00:41:57,014
learned in stride,
to build a fairer and
988
00:41:57,047 --> 00:41:59,884
more equitable future
for wrestling.
989
00:41:59,950 --> 00:42:03,220
We've done over 350
or 60 some odd Nitros.
990
00:42:03,287 --> 00:42:04,655
You know, a lot of
these people are like,
991
00:42:04,688 --> 00:42:06,223
are like family to me.
992
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:07,958
It was a good ride,
it was fun.
993
00:42:07,992 --> 00:42:09,660
You were like a big family
even though
994
00:42:09,693 --> 00:42:11,362
you're a
dysfunctional family.
995
00:42:11,395 --> 00:42:12,830
You may not get
along with everybody,
996
00:42:12,863 --> 00:42:15,533
but you're still gonna be
there when it comes to it.
997
00:42:15,566 --> 00:42:17,067
It was the greatest job.
998
00:42:17,134 --> 00:42:19,870
They let us be as creative
as we wanted to be.
999
00:42:19,904 --> 00:42:22,973
The first time I realized
WCW was big was
1000
00:42:23,007 --> 00:42:25,976
my very first show
when I debuted.
1001
00:42:26,010 --> 00:42:27,645
There was a
palpable energy.
1002
00:42:27,678 --> 00:42:29,980
You could feel the crowd.
1003
00:42:30,014 --> 00:42:33,050
There's something special
and something different
1004
00:42:33,083 --> 00:42:34,852
about a wrestling fan.
1005
00:42:34,885 --> 00:42:36,854
It just blew my mind to see
1006
00:42:36,887 --> 00:42:40,491
what a big deal
WCW really was.
1007
00:42:40,524 --> 00:42:42,026
He's got him up!
1008
00:42:42,059 --> 00:42:43,594
Those were some
great times.
1009
00:42:43,661 --> 00:42:45,062
Terrific times.
1010
00:42:45,095 --> 00:42:46,997
And it came to an
abrupt end like that.
1011
00:42:47,031 --> 00:42:49,833
But hey man, all good
things come to an end.
1012
00:42:49,867 --> 00:42:52,503
♪
1013
00:42:52,536 --> 00:42:54,772
I still think that, you know,
when it comes down to it,
1014
00:42:54,838 --> 00:42:57,107
WCW is Eric's creation.
1015
00:42:57,174 --> 00:42:59,710
Any success they had
was with Eric.
1016
00:42:59,743 --> 00:43:01,845
There's nobody on
this planet that can
1017
00:43:01,879 --> 00:43:03,681
look in the mirror and say,
1018
00:43:03,714 --> 00:43:06,917
"I beat Vince McMahon
1019
00:43:06,951 --> 00:43:09,219
at professional wrestling
1020
00:43:09,253 --> 00:43:11,689
for 83 weeks."
1021
00:43:11,722 --> 00:43:14,525
It's a pretty fucking huge
accomplishment.
1022
00:43:14,558 --> 00:43:17,861
♪
1023
00:43:17,895 --> 00:43:20,431
Cool.
1024
00:43:20,464 --> 00:43:22,132
Time fucks with
your head, you know.
1025
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:23,534
It's...
1026
00:43:23,567 --> 00:43:25,569
it becomes distorted.
1027
00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:27,871
My memory is more
1028
00:43:27,905 --> 00:43:30,140
like a series
of photographs.
1029
00:43:30,207 --> 00:43:32,476
There's bits, and pieces,
and moments
1030
00:43:32,543 --> 00:43:34,545
that stand out in my mind,
but...
1031
00:43:34,578 --> 00:43:36,113
as time goes on,
they kind of just
1032
00:43:36,146 --> 00:43:37,781
all blur together.
1033
00:43:37,815 --> 00:43:39,950
When I look back at my
time during WCW-
1034
00:43:39,984 --> 00:43:42,286
the journey, the ups,
the downs-
1035
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:44,788
the ride all along the
way was a rush.
1036
00:43:44,822 --> 00:43:46,957
We were the #1 wrestling
company on television
1037
00:43:46,991 --> 00:43:49,426
in the world.
Very proud of that.
1038
00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:53,330
I was able to experience
and achieve things
1039
00:43:53,397 --> 00:43:55,132
that nobody
thought possible.
1040
00:43:55,165 --> 00:43:56,667
And I wouldn't have had
any of this
1041
00:43:56,734 --> 00:43:58,335
if it wasn't
professional wrestling,
1042
00:43:58,402 --> 00:44:00,437
so I'm grateful for
every minute of it-
1043
00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:03,407
the good, the bad,
everything in between.
1044
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,009
Very lucky.
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