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[Eric]
In the early 90s,
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we couldn't attract
an audience.
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I needed people to
take WCW seriously.
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We needed a star.
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[Commentary]
Hulk Hogan is here!
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[Hogan] You can call this the
New World Order
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of wrestling,
brother!
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I don't think I'd ever
seen anything as hot as NWO.
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They were bad,
but they were cool.
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It was the biggest turn in
the history of wrestling!
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Oh, no!
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Whap!
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[Bret] WCW is now beating
WWF in the ratings.
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Have we created a
monster, or what?
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Shit's gonna hit the fan
at some point, and it did.
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[Bret] It was a company that
was infested with guys
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that had their
own agenda.
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Eric Bischoff,
he was just a prop.
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And Hulk Hogan was
the puppet master.
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Once a god...
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always a god!
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[Overlapping voices]
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You cannot sweep this
under the rug!
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...this is a fucking
television show.
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...and I don't understand
what he's doing.
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The real reason
men commit lies...
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♪
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[Flatlining extended beep]
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♪ [Dramatic instrumental] ♪
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Ladies and gentlemen!
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You are tuned in to
the world's #1
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professional
wrestling program!
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By 1997, we had built
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so much good will
with the audience,
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as a result of the NWO.
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We were absolutely on fire.
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NWO!
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When it rains!
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It pours!
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For 83 weeks straight,
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WCW Nitro defeated WWE.
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And then, all of
a sudden, boom.
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[Thunder]
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[Phone ringing]
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I get a phone call.
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[Phone ringing]
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It's Harvey Schiller.
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He's the president of
Turner Sports, and by proxy,
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you could say,
WCW.
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So, I answered it:
"Hey, Harvey!
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How you doing?"
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"I'm good.
How are you?"
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I said, "Oh, I'm good."
"Before you hang up,
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I want to let you know,
Nitro is having
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so much
success on TNT,
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Ted wants to do another
prime time show for TBS."
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Feel the Thunder.
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Only on the Superstation.
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I hung up the phone,
I thought,
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this can't be real.
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They weren't happy enough
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with the ratings they had.
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They wanted to expand,
not realizing
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you're gonna weaken
the Monday show.
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[Eric] I mean, things were
going so well.
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You're giving them such a
great show on Monday night
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that the idea of doing
another show, live,
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48 hours after I just
got done producing one?
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It...
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there was no way I
thought it could work.
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But, I didn't want to be
the guy to tell Ted "no".
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That was my mistake.
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Tonight, we welcome
you to Thunder!
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TBS said, "Sure,
we'll take the show.
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We just don't have it
in our budget.
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We can't pay for it."
So, reluctantly,
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of course it was a big
part of WCW's budget.
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That's what Ted wants.
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The challenge
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right off the bat,
audience fatigue,
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because now they're seeing
too much of the same talent.
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-Who's who?
-I don't know!
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Even though we had
a very deep roster,
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if we're going to do
another show, I thought,
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that roster has to be
substantially unique.
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It's why I brought
Bret Hart in.
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[Cheering]
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Bret!
[Echoing]
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♪
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I was at the top of the heap
of the WWF during those days.
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♪
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I beat Undertaker
for the title.
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I beat Stone Cold
Steve Austin.
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Agh!
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I was a WWF guy, and ah,
I think I was
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a big part of the success
that they had.
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[Cheering]
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I like Bret. A lot of
respect for that man.
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Bret Hart, somebody
I probably had
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my best matches with.
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Oh!
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Ultimate respect.
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I loved Bret Hart.
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He was like a national
hero in Canada.
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People respected him,
people looked up to him.
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I emulated some of my
style from Bret Hart,
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like my suplex.
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Bischoff says,
"What's it gonna take for
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you to come to WCW?"
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Bret...
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We got it up to
2.8 million a year.
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Bret...
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So I joined WCW.
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Bret 'The Hitman' Hart!
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Has arrived!
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First night I walked out,
and I got a great reaction.
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[Cheering]
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I needed an anchor
for that show.
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Bret was critical to that.
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But it went
downhill from there.
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[Booing]
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It sounds to me like
you people are
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a little disappointed in me.
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They're flying me
down from Calgary,
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then they tell me
I'm off for the night.
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The next week, I'd do
the same thing again.
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Just sit in the dressing
room and do nothing.
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Eric, he apologized to me
many times, and said,
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"I'm so sorry about how
we brought you in."
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Everything he ever
said was a lie.
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We already knew that
we were running thin.
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You had Monday Night Nitro,
and then you had
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two days that you had to
do house shows.
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That's followed by
a two-hour Thunder.
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We had a Saturday show.
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[Janie] And then you might
have a Pay Per View
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or something in there.
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[Kevin Nash]
You're basically booking
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ten hours in two days.
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It was impossible to have any
kind of attention to detail.
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And I think it showed.
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I've never seen a human
being do anything
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like this in my life!
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This has never been
done in our sport!
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There were so many times
we didn't have
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finishes for this or
finishes for that
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because it was so
time consuming.
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We're out of time!
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When these guys are trying
to think up something new,
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they're gonna go
to something
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that worked before.
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[Eric] You know, NWO was still
rocking and rolling.
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Printing money,
and printing ratings.
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And as a result, we took
the easy way out.
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We kept adding
to the NWO.
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Let's create
the Red Faction.
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We got some new
colors going on!
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[Eric] Let's create the
Latino Faction.
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The Latino World Order.
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You just can't pass
t-shirts out and
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water down the greatest
show in town.
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You gotta wear that?
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There were too many people.
It wasn't cool anymore.
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[Bret] If you watched
one match...
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you watched 'em all.
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Every show ends
with a run in,
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there's about 20 guys
running in there.
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And I'm going, "And why
am I running in?"
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Nothing made sense from
one week to the next.
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And the fans disgusted,
thumbs down.
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Unbelievable!
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[Eric] Creating momentum is
really, really hard.
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The only thing harder than
creating momentum
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is maintaining momentum.
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Thanks for having me here,
Mr. President Elect.
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We'd lost our momentum.
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And we found ourselves
in a rebuild mode.
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[Guy]
April 13th of 1998,
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something
significant happened,
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which was Raw beating Nitro
for the first time
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in the ratings
for 22 months.
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Whenever you're
leading a night,
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and now you're not
leading a night,
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there's reason for concern.
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As WCW and Monday Nitro
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became a huge
prime time hit,
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those numbers
exploded because
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it wasn't just men 18 to 34.
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It now became families.
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So, my eye was
on Goldberg.
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♪
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[Faint chanting]
Goldberg! Goldberg!
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I was born with something.
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[Chanting]
Goldberg!
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I'm fucking 6'3,
280 lbs.
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I could go from 0 to 100,
and 100 to 0,
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in 60 seconds.
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But what the business didn't
have was something
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that I wanted to
fill the void with.
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And that's the beauty of
the character that
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we came up with.
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I am the fucking character.
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I am Goldberg.
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[Grunting & growling]
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[Indistinct commentary]
...evolution of man!
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We have reached
the epitome!
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[Eric] I don't think there
ever had been
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an athlete...
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The man!
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[Eric] A star...
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Superman, himself!
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[Eric] A performer...
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100% adrenaline!
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[Eric]
In professional wrestling...
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Goldberg will not
be intimidated!
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[Eric] ...that rose
as quickly
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as Goldberg.
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[Chanting]
Goldberg! Goldberg!
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Bill Goldberg, he was on a
rocket ship from day one.
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[Loud popping]
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♪
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A "professional wrestler"
was never
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anything I aspired to be.
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My entire life existence
was to play football.
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I don't know if you know
who this guy is,
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but I've got the picture.
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I know all about him-
Bill Goldberg,
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former Georgia Bulldog
and Atlanta Falcon.
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I was never the best
football player,
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by any stretch of
the imagination.
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I got hurt,
tore my abdomen
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off of my pelvis in '94.
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I had no idea what I
was gonna do with
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the rest of my life.
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I was depressed as shit.
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When I finally seriously
considered becoming a
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professional wrestler,
I had to come up with
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something where I felt
as though I was
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continually building upon
what I had built.
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You strive to be the
biggest, baddest dude
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on the field.
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I gave him the
short black boots.
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Black tights...
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Combination slam,
1, 2...
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3!
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He didn't talk.
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You absolutely
manhandled him tonight!
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Sir, I've gotta get a
little bit more than that.
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Mike Tyson-
black boots.
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Black shorts.
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Didn't need to talk, just
come down and do that.
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[Bill] He might bite your
fuckin' ear off.
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Or he might knock you
out with an uppercut.
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You don't know
what's gonna happen.
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Hey, you gotta watch
this guy, Goldberg.
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He's a time bomb just
ready to explode.
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Maybe that's
why it worked.
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The crowd was reacting
to him like a superstar.
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Listen to this reception-
[Roaring cheering]
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It's like, holy crap.
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[Cheering]
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Oh, my god!
1, 2, 3!
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[Match bell chiming]
264
00:10:04,270 --> 00:10:05,605
People were
chanting his name,
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00:10:05,638 --> 00:10:07,773
"Goldberg!
Goldberg!"
266
00:10:07,807 --> 00:10:10,576
[Chanting]
Goldberg!
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They pushed him like crazy.
268
00:10:12,645 --> 00:10:15,514
There's never been a push
anything like it anywhere.
269
00:10:15,548 --> 00:10:17,283
Let's just put him out there
and have him squash people.
270
00:10:17,316 --> 00:10:19,418
Kept doing it, and
doing it, and doing it,
271
00:10:19,452 --> 00:10:21,420
and people kept loving it,
loving it, loving it.
272
00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:22,622
Ah!
273
00:10:22,655 --> 00:10:23,689
And why would you
mess with that?
274
00:10:23,723 --> 00:10:25,091
Agh!
275
00:10:25,124 --> 00:10:27,593
There were a lot of
people jealous of him.
276
00:10:27,627 --> 00:10:29,662
Ah!
He speared Nash!
277
00:10:29,695 --> 00:10:31,464
Bill was a fan,
Bill was a mark,
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00:10:31,497 --> 00:10:33,332
Bill was a football player.
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00:10:33,366 --> 00:10:34,300
Someone should 'a
taught him,
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or pulled him aside,
and said, "Hey, Bill,
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you do know that
this is pretend, right?"
282
00:10:38,838 --> 00:10:39,805
Agh!
283
00:10:39,839 --> 00:10:42,174
He didn't.
284
00:10:42,208 --> 00:10:45,311
This is a fucking
television show!
285
00:10:45,344 --> 00:10:47,146
I know when you
tackle somebody,
286
00:10:47,179 --> 00:10:49,315
you think it's real.
287
00:10:49,348 --> 00:10:51,517
But the person getting
fucking potatoed
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00:10:51,550 --> 00:10:54,620
in the corner's
had enough.
289
00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:56,489
I feel bad about it.
290
00:10:56,522 --> 00:11:00,826
But, as long as the
intent is not there...
291
00:11:00,860 --> 00:11:03,295
it's not my fault.
You can't blame me.
292
00:11:03,329 --> 00:11:07,033
Jesus Christ, dude,
like, get some skills.
293
00:11:07,066 --> 00:11:08,734
A lot of jealousy.
294
00:11:08,768 --> 00:11:10,569
This guy hasn't
paid his dues,
295
00:11:10,603 --> 00:11:13,572
and Goldberg doesn't love
this like we do, you know.
296
00:11:13,606 --> 00:11:15,508
They can all kiss my ass.
297
00:11:15,541 --> 00:11:17,977
I'll take that criticism on
the way up because
298
00:11:18,010 --> 00:11:20,479
I'm still that guy.
299
00:11:20,513 --> 00:11:22,682
And you guys tried
every frickin' thing
300
00:11:22,715 --> 00:11:24,984
you could do for me
not to be that guy.
301
00:11:25,017 --> 00:11:26,752
And who prevailed?
302
00:11:26,786 --> 00:11:29,722
[Clicking tongue]
303
00:11:29,755 --> 00:11:31,424
Please welcome...
Goldberg!
304
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[Cheering]
305
00:11:34,193 --> 00:11:36,896
[Brad] I felt that Goldberg
was really...
306
00:11:36,929 --> 00:11:41,400
the phenomena that could
bring advertisers and
307
00:11:41,434 --> 00:11:43,769
all the other stuff that
they're buying,
308
00:11:43,803 --> 00:11:45,104
or they're consuming.
309
00:11:45,137 --> 00:11:48,507
Nash and Goldberg
Bashin Brawlers!
310
00:11:48,541 --> 00:11:50,242
The kids loved Goldberg.
311
00:11:50,276 --> 00:11:51,877
They loved that character.
312
00:11:51,911 --> 00:11:53,879
And they loved the fact
that he was undefeated.
313
00:11:53,913 --> 00:11:55,715
All anyone ever wanted
to talk about was
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00:11:55,748 --> 00:11:57,583
Goldberg,
Goldberg, Goldberg.
315
00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:02,121
[Eric]
So, I'm in LA one day.
316
00:12:02,154 --> 00:12:04,724
And, I get a phone
call from Hulk.
317
00:12:04,757 --> 00:12:05,758
"I got an idea.
318
00:12:05,791 --> 00:12:08,094
I'm gonna wrestle Goldberg
at the Georgia Dome.
319
00:12:08,127 --> 00:12:09,729
I'm gonna put
him over, clean.
320
00:12:09,762 --> 00:12:12,431
The time is right.
This is the time.
321
00:12:12,465 --> 00:12:13,632
Let's do this."
322
00:12:13,666 --> 00:12:16,435
Nitro!
It's on the air!
323
00:12:16,469 --> 00:12:18,104
From the professional
wrestling capital
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00:12:18,137 --> 00:12:20,806
of the world,
Atlanta, Georgia!
325
00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,109
Bill Goldberg was
a hometown hero.
326
00:12:23,142 --> 00:12:25,311
There he is, and here
comes the eruption.
327
00:12:25,344 --> 00:12:28,714
[Cheering]
Bigger than before!
328
00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:30,716
Guys from the
Falcons were there.
329
00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:33,753
You know, former teammates.
It felt like the Super Bowl.
330
00:12:33,786 --> 00:12:35,588
I mean, we sold out
the Georgia Dome.
331
00:12:35,621 --> 00:12:37,556
44,000 tickets, man.
332
00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:40,826
That place was packed.
It was electric.
333
00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:42,628
It was Nitro.
334
00:12:42,661 --> 00:12:43,596
This is the biggest one,
335
00:12:43,629 --> 00:12:45,798
that heightened sense
of anticipation.
336
00:12:45,831 --> 00:12:47,566
Let the match begin!
337
00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,469
[Eric] 10 million people in the
United States between
338
00:12:50,503 --> 00:12:52,738
Monday Night Raw
and Nitro
339
00:12:52,772 --> 00:12:56,642
were zeroed in on
professional wrestling.
340
00:12:56,675 --> 00:12:58,577
Mind blowing.
341
00:12:58,611 --> 00:13:01,347
That really was...
342
00:13:01,380 --> 00:13:04,083
the height of WCW.
343
00:13:04,116 --> 00:13:06,452
Oh!
Hell, yeah!
344
00:13:06,485 --> 00:13:08,487
That was the
coolest shit ever.
345
00:13:08,521 --> 00:13:11,957
The feeling that I got
when I heard the crowd
346
00:13:11,991 --> 00:13:14,760
after I received the belt...
347
00:13:14,794 --> 00:13:16,328
Thank you!
Thank you!
348
00:13:16,362 --> 00:13:17,997
We've got a new
heavyweight champion
349
00:13:18,030 --> 00:13:19,498
of the world!
350
00:13:20,666 --> 00:13:22,701
Nothing like it.
351
00:13:22,735 --> 00:13:25,004
It was just the
coolest moment.
352
00:13:25,037 --> 00:13:26,806
♪
353
00:13:26,839 --> 00:13:29,275
Okay, why is this not
on a Pay Per View?
354
00:13:29,308 --> 00:13:32,044
It's like, man, we could've
made a lot more money,
355
00:13:32,077 --> 00:13:33,946
if we'd 'a kept it
off TV for a while.
356
00:13:33,979 --> 00:13:36,215
One of the things that I was
criticized for was that I was
357
00:13:36,248 --> 00:13:38,984
putting Pay Per View
quality matches on free TV.
358
00:13:39,018 --> 00:13:42,521
WCW is getting higher
ratings than
359
00:13:42,555 --> 00:13:44,356
anything else
in the company.
360
00:13:44,390 --> 00:13:47,560
This is, this is the
hottest product we've got.
361
00:13:47,593 --> 00:13:50,396
It didn't always advertise
in the highest value that
362
00:13:50,429 --> 00:13:51,730
you could get
for ad dollars.
363
00:13:51,764 --> 00:13:54,133
The disconnect between
364
00:13:54,166 --> 00:13:56,569
the advertising dollars,
and, and
365
00:13:56,602 --> 00:13:59,138
the size of the
audience for wrestling
366
00:13:59,171 --> 00:14:00,573
became an issue.
367
00:14:00,606 --> 00:14:03,309
One of the forces
working against...
368
00:14:03,342 --> 00:14:05,845
ad revenue was
our ad people
369
00:14:05,878 --> 00:14:07,313
wouldn't
sell wrestling.
370
00:14:07,346 --> 00:14:09,081
They don't like it,
they want to get rid of it.
371
00:14:09,114 --> 00:14:11,917
There was such pressure
on Eric with opposition
372
00:14:11,951 --> 00:14:13,419
not only at
the corporate,
373
00:14:13,452 --> 00:14:16,222
but also the people
that reported to him.
374
00:14:16,255 --> 00:14:17,890
I mean, he had
no friends.
375
00:14:17,923 --> 00:14:19,825
We're gonna take
your paycheck.
376
00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:22,361
We're gonna
take your job.
377
00:14:22,394 --> 00:14:26,098
There was always a hint
of ulterior motive,
378
00:14:26,131 --> 00:14:28,601
which at the end of
the day, could maybe
379
00:14:28,634 --> 00:14:31,770
mean the destruction
of your company.
380
00:14:31,804 --> 00:14:33,239
I don't know.
381
00:14:38,444 --> 00:14:39,845
Alright, here we go,
ladies and gentlemen!
382
00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,080
His debut!
383
00:14:41,113 --> 00:14:43,382
Rocky... Maivia!
384
00:14:43,415 --> 00:14:45,351
Now there's gonna be
the man, right there.
385
00:14:45,384 --> 00:14:47,419
In the world of
professional wrestling,
386
00:14:47,453 --> 00:14:49,088
any kind of fresh
take on something
387
00:14:49,121 --> 00:14:51,590
is challenging to do.
388
00:14:51,624 --> 00:14:53,559
Back then, I was
still opening match.
389
00:14:53,592 --> 00:14:56,762
-Unbelievable agility!
-[Cheering]
390
00:14:56,795 --> 00:14:58,697
What a way
to make your debut!
391
00:14:58,731 --> 00:15:00,099
Before the show ended,
I was already back in
392
00:15:00,132 --> 00:15:02,902
my hotel room,
watching Nitro.
393
00:15:02,935 --> 00:15:05,938
I just wanted to see where
they were doing things
394
00:15:05,971 --> 00:15:07,773
differently and figure out
how we could
395
00:15:07,806 --> 00:15:09,942
do something like that.
396
00:15:09,975 --> 00:15:12,144
Or, possibly
even better.
397
00:15:12,177 --> 00:15:16,448
♪
398
00:15:16,482 --> 00:15:18,217
When you're getting
your ass kicked
399
00:15:18,250 --> 00:15:20,452
week, over week, over week,
which was our company,
400
00:15:20,486 --> 00:15:23,122
you're gonna say,
"Hey, fuck this.
401
00:15:23,155 --> 00:15:24,757
What do we need to do?"
402
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:29,061
Welcome to WWF Raw!
403
00:15:29,094 --> 00:15:33,132
WWE's answer to NWO
was the Attitude Era.
404
00:15:33,165 --> 00:15:35,668
Suck it!
[Cheering]
405
00:15:35,701 --> 00:15:37,236
-Here comes Austin!
-Oh, no!
406
00:15:37,269 --> 00:15:39,238
[Indistinct commentary]
Okay, here we go!
407
00:15:39,271 --> 00:15:41,807
Okay, first of all, I refer
to it as the Nitro Era,
408
00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,477
because the Attitude Era
was nothing more
409
00:15:45,511 --> 00:15:50,482
than a replication of
the Nitro format.
410
00:15:50,516 --> 00:15:52,484
They were going after
the same audience that
411
00:15:52,518 --> 00:15:55,321
I recognized as
being underserved.
412
00:15:55,354 --> 00:15:56,488
[Cheering]
413
00:15:56,522 --> 00:15:58,657
Okay, we're in a fight.
414
00:15:58,691 --> 00:16:00,459
We've been
dominating that fight.
415
00:16:00,492 --> 00:16:02,428
But this guy's
coming back.
416
00:16:02,461 --> 00:16:04,663
It wasn't like
we were hurting.
417
00:16:04,697 --> 00:16:06,598
They were just
getting stronger.
418
00:16:06,632 --> 00:16:08,667
I mean, '98 was a
record revenue year.
419
00:16:08,701 --> 00:16:10,436
But, all of a sudden,
420
00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:12,438
none of that
mattered anymore.
421
00:16:12,471 --> 00:16:15,274
♪
422
00:16:15,307 --> 00:16:17,943
And it affected WCW
in ways that I...
423
00:16:17,977 --> 00:16:19,778
didn't anticipate.
424
00:16:19,812 --> 00:16:23,315
♪
425
00:16:23,349 --> 00:16:26,118
I was introduced to a
different kind of
426
00:16:26,151 --> 00:16:28,887
corporate structure,
with regard to WCW.
427
00:16:28,921 --> 00:16:33,659
♪
428
00:16:33,692 --> 00:16:36,528
In July of 1998,
I was sitting in a meeting...
429
00:16:36,562 --> 00:16:39,131
with 10 or 12 other people
430
00:16:39,164 --> 00:16:41,000
much higher in the
food chain than I am,
431
00:16:41,033 --> 00:16:46,238
telling me how
I was going to operate WCW,
432
00:16:46,271 --> 00:16:48,974
and change our target
demographic that
433
00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:51,677
we had built an
entire business upon.
434
00:16:51,710 --> 00:16:54,413
He said, "No, we want
kids and families."
435
00:16:54,446 --> 00:16:55,848
What you really need for
success is the
436
00:16:55,881 --> 00:16:57,850
people coming in
on the outside.
437
00:16:57,883 --> 00:16:59,318
But there was a discussion
about, you know,
438
00:16:59,351 --> 00:17:01,353
could they do it
without being...
439
00:17:01,387 --> 00:17:04,656
as lewd as WWE.
440
00:17:04,690 --> 00:17:06,558
Oh-ho!
441
00:17:06,592 --> 00:17:10,162
Vince McMahon and the
WWE decided, "Let's do...
442
00:17:10,195 --> 00:17:13,265
what Eric's doing, and let's
do it better than them."
443
00:17:13,298 --> 00:17:15,234
Oh, my god,
he's on fire!
444
00:17:15,267 --> 00:17:16,502
That's exactly
what they did.
445
00:17:16,535 --> 00:17:18,070
What a good day
for a pimp.
446
00:17:18,103 --> 00:17:20,939
Ted Turner was very strict
about things on the show
447
00:17:20,973 --> 00:17:22,441
that could be done.
448
00:17:22,474 --> 00:17:24,009
Vince was quite happy
to do all of that.
449
00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:26,045
[Wrestler] We will have
less references
450
00:17:26,078 --> 00:17:29,081
to our enormous genitalia.
451
00:17:29,114 --> 00:17:30,783
They took it
into the gutter.
452
00:17:30,816 --> 00:17:32,551
Didn't matter.
It worked.
453
00:17:32,584 --> 00:17:34,953
They had Jenna Jameson
on their show.
454
00:17:34,987 --> 00:17:39,291
Our rebuttal is, we'll give
the guy an NWO shirt.
455
00:17:39,324 --> 00:17:41,226
I guess there's a
new member now, huh?
456
00:17:41,260 --> 00:17:46,231
Everything you can
possibly do to combat WWF,
457
00:17:46,265 --> 00:17:48,233
they're taking
away from us.
458
00:17:48,267 --> 00:17:49,368
Shut up, you idiot!
459
00:17:49,401 --> 00:17:52,104
[Eric] We were being mandated
to change the nature of
460
00:17:52,137 --> 00:17:53,806
the way we were
producing our show.
461
00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:57,109
To go back to doing
what we were doing
462
00:17:57,142 --> 00:17:59,978
when we couldn't even
be a distant #2...
463
00:18:00,012 --> 00:18:03,248
I had taken the business out
of the dumpster and
464
00:18:03,282 --> 00:18:05,984
turned it into
a success story.
465
00:18:06,018 --> 00:18:08,053
Now, all of a sudden,
Standards & Practices
466
00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:10,089
is about to tell me...
467
00:18:10,122 --> 00:18:12,057
what I can and can't do.
468
00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:13,659
Forget that.
469
00:18:13,692 --> 00:18:16,128
If push comes to shove,
I'm just gonna fight all this
470
00:18:16,161 --> 00:18:18,430
until it gets to Ted's desk,
and then it's gonna be
471
00:18:18,464 --> 00:18:21,467
me and this guy,
and we'll see who wins.
472
00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:23,669
-Like a wrestling match.
-[Laughing]
473
00:18:23,702 --> 00:18:25,904
You heard the man,
himself, Ted Turner.
474
00:18:25,938 --> 00:18:28,107
When you're winning,
and you're the guy,
475
00:18:28,140 --> 00:18:30,008
it's a lot of fun.
476
00:18:30,042 --> 00:18:32,945
And when you're losing,
not so much fun.
477
00:18:32,978 --> 00:18:34,847
And it was hard on him
at times, man.
478
00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,448
You could see it.
479
00:18:36,482 --> 00:18:38,817
Eric was always a
really positive person.
480
00:18:38,851 --> 00:18:40,419
Really positive.
481
00:18:40,452 --> 00:18:44,523
And, all of a sudden,
it shifted to negative.
482
00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:47,159
Don't show anything unless
we tell you to show it!
483
00:18:47,192 --> 00:18:49,628
I found myself fighting
with departments of
484
00:18:49,661 --> 00:18:52,631
Turner Broadcasting that I'd
never heard of before.
485
00:18:52,664 --> 00:18:55,701
It took a lot out of me.
486
00:18:55,734 --> 00:18:57,336
One afternoon
I was in my office,
487
00:18:57,369 --> 00:18:59,471
and I was just out of gas,
488
00:18:59,505 --> 00:19:00,873
and Kevin came
into my office.
489
00:19:00,906 --> 00:19:03,175
And he just...
490
00:19:03,208 --> 00:19:06,278
he was having such a
hard time banging heads
491
00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:09,114
with everybody
on everything.
492
00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:10,182
And Kevin offered,
he said, "Boss,
493
00:19:10,215 --> 00:19:12,951
why don't you let someone
to take over the book?"
494
00:19:12,985 --> 00:19:15,320
"Temporary, get your
feet back underneath you.
495
00:19:15,354 --> 00:19:17,523
Let me take this
pressure off of you."
496
00:19:17,556 --> 00:19:20,526
The head booker was the
one determining
497
00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:22,161
whether the concepts for
each week's show
498
00:19:22,194 --> 00:19:23,996
actually made air or not.
499
00:19:24,029 --> 00:19:25,197
I think it's been fairly
well acknowledged
500
00:19:25,230 --> 00:19:26,665
that Kevin Nash,
you know,
501
00:19:26,698 --> 00:19:29,067
had been instrumental in
being a huge part
502
00:19:29,101 --> 00:19:30,969
of the creative process.
503
00:19:31,003 --> 00:19:32,871
[Eric] There were other people I
could have handed it off to,
504
00:19:32,905 --> 00:19:36,475
but I had confidence
in Kevin's instincts.
505
00:19:36,508 --> 00:19:39,077
So, that's how it started,
I said, "I'll help you."
506
00:19:39,111 --> 00:19:42,581
I should have said,
"Let's go to a strip club."
507
00:19:42,614 --> 00:19:45,083
There's a big difference
between being
508
00:19:45,117 --> 00:19:48,320
part of a group that
throws ideas out...
509
00:19:48,353 --> 00:19:50,822
and being the guy
that says, you know,
510
00:19:50,856 --> 00:19:52,191
"I know you don't
want to do this,
511
00:19:52,224 --> 00:19:53,926
but this is what
you're gonna do."
512
00:19:53,959 --> 00:19:58,230
Especially if you,
yourself, are a talent.
513
00:19:58,263 --> 00:20:00,365
It was a bad situation,
514
00:20:00,399 --> 00:20:02,401
but it was the best
case scenario.
515
00:20:02,434 --> 00:20:03,602
It's quite simple!
516
00:20:03,635 --> 00:20:05,370
If you don't run
with the pack...
517
00:20:05,404 --> 00:20:07,506
you're hunted by it.
518
00:20:07,539 --> 00:20:09,041
[Cheering]
519
00:20:09,074 --> 00:20:11,009
Once you have the
monkeys running the zoo,
520
00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:12,411
you're in trouble.
521
00:20:12,444 --> 00:20:14,279
And that's exactly
what was happening.
522
00:20:14,313 --> 00:20:15,948
Woo!
523
00:20:15,981 --> 00:20:18,116
He listened to all the guys
that didn't have
524
00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:20,519
the best interest of the
company in mind.
525
00:20:20,552 --> 00:20:22,721
I don't think
that's debatable.
526
00:20:22,754 --> 00:20:25,757
It's not just about being
the biggest, strongest.
527
00:20:25,791 --> 00:20:29,394
It's about whose ass
they kiss.
528
00:20:29,428 --> 00:20:33,098
Sooner or later, someone
will beat Goldberg.
529
00:20:33,131 --> 00:20:34,900
I never had any
problem with Bill.
530
00:20:34,933 --> 00:20:37,869
I was happy that he
was getting pushed.
531
00:20:37,903 --> 00:20:41,240
But, he's had the
belt too long.
532
00:20:41,273 --> 00:20:43,642
He was still really green,
533
00:20:43,675 --> 00:20:46,078
and had no idea
what he was doing.
534
00:20:46,111 --> 00:20:47,613
Goldberg hit the post!
535
00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:49,248
Not only is he gonna keep
hurting all the wrestlers
536
00:20:49,281 --> 00:20:52,117
that he works with, but
he keeps hurting himself.
537
00:20:52,150 --> 00:20:53,952
I'm wrestling Scott Hall,
538
00:20:53,986 --> 00:20:57,122
and I screw a spot up.
539
00:20:57,155 --> 00:20:59,091
Scott Hall
went down hard!
540
00:20:59,124 --> 00:21:00,225
And he's laying
on the ground,
541
00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:01,293
and he looks up at me,
and he goes,
542
00:21:01,326 --> 00:21:03,128
"Yo, man,
what are you doing?"
543
00:21:03,161 --> 00:21:04,596
♪
544
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:07,833
And, my reaction was,
"I don't fucking know
545
00:21:07,866 --> 00:21:10,102
what I'm doing."
546
00:21:10,135 --> 00:21:11,470
You're live on television,
547
00:21:11,503 --> 00:21:13,238
you're in front
of your fans.
548
00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:15,407
I was scared shitless
when I screwed that up
549
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:16,742
'cause I didn't know
what was next.
550
00:21:16,775 --> 00:21:19,111
I didn't know what to do.
551
00:21:19,144 --> 00:21:20,979
If you can't do that,
you can't be,
552
00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:23,015
you can't be the
fucking top guy.
553
00:21:23,048 --> 00:21:26,084
Showing us a
little new twist.
554
00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:28,520
That's when I
really realized
555
00:21:28,553 --> 00:21:30,656
there was a lot
of shit going on,
556
00:21:30,689 --> 00:21:32,090
and it wasn't all for
face value.
557
00:21:32,124 --> 00:21:33,692
...2, 3!
[Match bell ringing]
558
00:21:33,725 --> 00:21:36,962
So, that's when I started
really smartening up to it.
559
00:21:36,995 --> 00:21:38,764
This document will
represent the meeting of
560
00:21:38,797 --> 00:21:42,367
these two men
at Starrcade.
561
00:21:42,401 --> 00:21:45,270
And this man- looks him
in the ring, look at that.
562
00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:46,471
Oh, doesn't he?
563
00:21:46,505 --> 00:21:50,142
Yeah, I learned the good,
bad, and the evil very quickly.
564
00:21:50,175 --> 00:21:53,512
I was jumping in to
shark infested waters.
565
00:21:53,545 --> 00:21:56,048
♪
566
00:21:56,081 --> 00:21:57,616
To say the least.
567
00:22:02,587 --> 00:22:03,955
Agh!
568
00:22:03,989 --> 00:22:05,457
Who in the world...
569
00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:07,326
can stop this man?
570
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,394
Common fact...
571
00:22:09,428 --> 00:22:11,997
Wrestling 1-0-1.
572
00:22:12,030 --> 00:22:16,301
Babyface always
draws more money
573
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:19,538
chasing the belt
574
00:22:19,571 --> 00:22:21,540
than having the belt.
575
00:22:21,573 --> 00:22:23,742
Still undefeated
here at WCW.
576
00:22:23,775 --> 00:22:25,410
The sultan of slams...
577
00:22:25,444 --> 00:22:27,579
Goldberg.
578
00:22:27,612 --> 00:22:30,382
It was a padded stat.
579
00:22:30,415 --> 00:22:31,717
Who cares?
580
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:33,752
We gave the people
what they wanted.
581
00:22:33,785 --> 00:22:35,320
We gotta take him in
a different direction,
582
00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:36,421
in order for him to grow.
583
00:22:36,455 --> 00:22:39,257
[Snorting] I never got tired
of watching Mike Tyson
584
00:22:39,291 --> 00:22:40,926
come out and
annihilate people.
585
00:22:40,959 --> 00:22:42,527
So, with the
right creative,
586
00:22:42,561 --> 00:22:44,229
there's ways to
keep things going.
587
00:22:44,262 --> 00:22:45,597
That's what you do.
588
00:22:45,630 --> 00:22:48,767
You chase with
the babyface.
589
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,369
And when he
fucking gets it,
590
00:22:50,402 --> 00:22:53,071
you take it right
fucking back.
591
00:22:53,105 --> 00:22:55,440
Because that's
where the money is.
592
00:22:55,474 --> 00:22:57,175
[Scoffing]
593
00:22:57,209 --> 00:22:58,577
[Eric]
Kevin was a politician.
594
00:22:58,610 --> 00:23:01,279
There's nobody I've ever met
that is a top talent
595
00:23:01,313 --> 00:23:03,014
that is not a politician!
596
00:23:03,048 --> 00:23:06,752
It's a job prerequisite.
597
00:23:06,785 --> 00:23:09,121
Just look at it
on the surface.
598
00:23:09,154 --> 00:23:13,191
From a pure physicality
point of view.
599
00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:15,794
The way we had built
Bill Goldberg up to
600
00:23:15,827 --> 00:23:18,964
be this indestructible
man-eating monster,
601
00:23:18,997 --> 00:23:22,134
who on that roster looked
like they could possibly
602
00:23:22,167 --> 00:23:23,769
beat that monster?
603
00:23:23,802 --> 00:23:24,770
Ugh!
604
00:23:24,803 --> 00:23:26,204
Goldberg's a
move away...
605
00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:28,807
From continuing the streak!
606
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,476
And Kevin Nash, standing
at nearly 7 foot, 6'10,
607
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:33,945
whatever he is-
probably at that time
608
00:23:33,979 --> 00:23:37,482
340, 350 lbs...
609
00:23:37,516 --> 00:23:38,717
it was believable.
610
00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:40,051
Hook and...
611
00:23:40,085 --> 00:23:41,453
[Cheering]
612
00:23:41,486 --> 00:23:43,755
Got him!
1, 2...
613
00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:44,923
And he kicked away.
614
00:23:44,956 --> 00:23:46,158
What I needed
was somebody
615
00:23:46,191 --> 00:23:49,327
who could tell a story
with a finish.
616
00:23:49,361 --> 00:23:52,130
The finish I wanted
was beat him, 1, 2, 3,
617
00:23:52,164 --> 00:23:54,065
like the same way
he was winning.
618
00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:55,434
Took Nash off
of his feet!
619
00:23:55,467 --> 00:23:56,735
Clean.
620
00:23:56,768 --> 00:23:59,604
But they thought that
621
00:23:59,638 --> 00:24:02,073
he needed something
more to lose.
622
00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:03,341
[Crackling taser]
623
00:24:03,375 --> 00:24:05,410
[Crowd screaming]
624
00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:07,846
That's one of those tasers
the police use!
625
00:24:07,879 --> 00:24:09,448
It's like a stun gun!
626
00:24:09,481 --> 00:24:11,950
[Laughing]
627
00:24:11,983 --> 00:24:15,086
It, no-
it was a mistake.
628
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,622
You watch that match back.
629
00:24:17,656 --> 00:24:19,524
When I Power Bomb him...
630
00:24:19,558 --> 00:24:21,760
Oh, no.
Wait a minute.
631
00:24:21,793 --> 00:24:23,428
[Cheering]
632
00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:25,464
...Power Bomb!
633
00:24:25,931 --> 00:24:28,033
I'm over as fuck.
634
00:24:28,066 --> 00:24:29,434
Could this be it?
635
00:24:29,468 --> 00:24:32,003
1! 2! 3!
636
00:24:32,037 --> 00:24:33,472
[Match bell ringing]
The streak is over!
637
00:24:33,505 --> 00:24:35,273
And we have a new
World's Champion!
638
00:24:35,307 --> 00:24:36,875
The streak is over!
639
00:24:36,908 --> 00:24:38,977
Did I like it?
Fuck no.
640
00:24:39,010 --> 00:24:41,713
Did I question it? Yeah,
everybody questioned it.
641
00:24:41,746 --> 00:24:43,548
But, I don't
control that shit.
642
00:24:43,582 --> 00:24:45,817
I go out and I do my job.
643
00:24:45,851 --> 00:24:49,788
I think it was quite clear
that there was no real plan
644
00:24:49,821 --> 00:24:51,990
in terms of where does the
Goldberg character
645
00:24:52,023 --> 00:24:53,492
go from here?
646
00:24:53,525 --> 00:24:54,826
And so, the follow up
left a bad taste
647
00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:55,794
in people's mouths.
648
00:24:55,827 --> 00:24:58,396
I'm gonna try tonight
to right the wrongs
649
00:24:58,430 --> 00:25:01,366
that happened at Starrcade.
650
00:25:01,399 --> 00:25:03,001
Me and you,
Goldberg!
651
00:25:03,034 --> 00:25:05,570
In Atlanta!
For the belt!
652
00:25:05,604 --> 00:25:07,539
[Guy] You have to imagine,
being in the audience
653
00:25:07,572 --> 00:25:09,708
on that night...
654
00:25:09,741 --> 00:25:11,376
It's January.
655
00:25:11,409 --> 00:25:14,179
There's an incredible
atmosphere.
656
00:25:14,212 --> 00:25:16,548
But at the same time,
the taped edition of Raw
657
00:25:16,581 --> 00:25:18,083
was happening on
the other station.
658
00:25:18,116 --> 00:25:19,851
There was going to be a
title change on that show.
659
00:25:19,885 --> 00:25:23,154
[Commentary] ...right
here tonight on Raw!
660
00:25:23,188 --> 00:25:25,724
...The first Nitro of 1999!
661
00:25:25,757 --> 00:25:26,992
It's The Rock!
662
00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:28,994
Mankind!
The championship!
663
00:25:29,027 --> 00:25:31,196
Ladies and gentlemen, we set
the stage for the biggest
664
00:25:31,229 --> 00:25:33,398
rematch in professional
wrestling history!
665
00:25:33,431 --> 00:25:35,066
WCW had to remind
viewers that
666
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:36,401
this is where the
real action is.
667
00:25:36,434 --> 00:25:38,336
[Kevin Nash]
I say, fuck this.
668
00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:42,574
I'll fight Goldberg again.
669
00:25:42,607 --> 00:25:45,343
But that ends up taking
a rather bizarre turn and
670
00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:47,946
devolving into a
situation in which
671
00:25:47,979 --> 00:25:50,181
Hollywood Hogan comes
back into the mix,
672
00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:53,351
and challenges
Nash to a match.
673
00:25:53,385 --> 00:25:57,188
After tonight, when I
beat Kevin Nash,
674
00:25:57,222 --> 00:26:00,625
when I retire with the
World Heavyweight title,
675
00:26:00,659 --> 00:26:02,627
you can just call me
676
00:26:02,661 --> 00:26:06,431
Hollywood The Big Bad Wolf.
677
00:26:06,464 --> 00:26:07,866
Roo!
678
00:26:07,899 --> 00:26:11,102
We were creating this
illusion of a conflict
679
00:26:11,136 --> 00:26:13,305
between Hulk Hogan
and Kevin Nash.
680
00:26:13,338 --> 00:26:16,107
And we built it up like this
was gonna be the match of ages
681
00:26:16,141 --> 00:26:19,911
in the NWO to determine the
fate of the organization.
682
00:26:19,945 --> 00:26:22,881
Hogan got to the ring,
and he looked all serious.
683
00:26:22,914 --> 00:26:24,583
Kevin Nash came to the ring,
he looked like
684
00:26:24,616 --> 00:26:27,385
he wanted to eat
Hulk Hogan for lunch.
685
00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:28,954
And they get
close together,
686
00:26:28,987 --> 00:26:31,456
they're almost chest to
chest, nose to nose.
687
00:26:31,489 --> 00:26:33,458
♪
688
00:26:33,491 --> 00:26:35,260
And then...
689
00:26:35,293 --> 00:26:37,596
[Indistinct crowd chatter]
690
00:26:37,629 --> 00:26:39,497
What was that about?
691
00:26:39,531 --> 00:26:41,967
-1! 2! 3!
-What's going on here?
692
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,735
[Cheering &
match bell rings]
693
00:26:43,768 --> 00:26:44,970
[Eric]
1, 2, 3, oh, yeah.
694
00:26:45,003 --> 00:26:46,671
It looked like a finish.
695
00:26:46,705 --> 00:26:49,474
But it was contrived
by the NWO, right,
696
00:26:49,507 --> 00:26:52,243
to keep the belt
in the family.
697
00:26:52,277 --> 00:26:54,346
That's ultimately
what it was all about.
698
00:26:54,379 --> 00:26:56,414
We're back in
the saddle, baby!
699
00:26:56,448 --> 00:26:57,983
And when that happened...
700
00:26:58,016 --> 00:27:00,518
me and a lot of
wrestlers were like,
701
00:27:00,552 --> 00:27:02,787
"What the fuck is this?"
702
00:27:02,821 --> 00:27:05,156
♪
703
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:06,791
[Eric] Wrestling fans
around the world say,
704
00:27:06,825 --> 00:27:09,961
"That's exactly when WCW
started to go downhill."
705
00:27:09,995 --> 00:27:11,930
That's dirt cheap material.
706
00:27:11,963 --> 00:27:15,700
You know why people
hate that so much?
707
00:27:15,734 --> 00:27:17,268
Beause it got 'em.
708
00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:19,771
Look at the crowd.
709
00:27:19,804 --> 00:27:22,207
They don't know what
the fuck they're seeing.
710
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,209
People expected
to see something,
711
00:27:24,242 --> 00:27:26,878
and they felt like
they got fucked.
712
00:27:26,911 --> 00:27:31,516
WCW had chronic
bad finish disease.
713
00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:34,319
Sometimes just a good,
clean finish
714
00:27:34,352 --> 00:27:36,354
is the best thing.
715
00:27:36,388 --> 00:27:38,556
That same night,
Mick Foley was going to
716
00:27:38,590 --> 00:27:41,026
be wrestling The Rock.
717
00:27:41,059 --> 00:27:43,962
As I often had with Nitro,
and became famous for-
718
00:27:43,995 --> 00:27:45,830
giving away their finish,
starting my show
719
00:27:45,864 --> 00:27:47,999
two minutes before they
started their show.
720
00:27:48,033 --> 00:27:50,001
[Indistinct commentary]
721
00:27:50,035 --> 00:27:53,304
I thought, why not go back
to the well and give them
722
00:27:53,338 --> 00:27:56,675
a reason not to watch
Rock and Mick?
723
00:27:56,708 --> 00:27:58,176
We understand
that Mick Foley,
724
00:27:58,209 --> 00:28:01,579
who wrestled here one time
as Cactus Jack,
725
00:28:01,613 --> 00:28:04,215
...is going to win
their world title.
726
00:28:04,249 --> 00:28:06,484
That fucking Eric Bischoff.
727
00:28:06,518 --> 00:28:07,552
[Laughing]
728
00:28:07,585 --> 00:28:09,020
He just
spoiled the match!
729
00:28:09,054 --> 00:28:11,823
[Laughing]
He took a shot.
730
00:28:11,856 --> 00:28:14,993
A big chunk of WCW Nitro's
audience went,
731
00:28:15,026 --> 00:28:16,995
"Really? That's going
on over there?
732
00:28:17,028 --> 00:28:19,230
I'm going too."
733
00:28:19,264 --> 00:28:20,832
And they left!
734
00:28:20,865 --> 00:28:22,534
[Cheering]
735
00:28:22,567 --> 00:28:25,170
So, it backfired
in a huge way.
736
00:28:25,203 --> 00:28:28,606
[Cheering]
737
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,009
Two big moves
in one night.
738
00:28:31,042 --> 00:28:33,178
Finger poke of doom,
and...
739
00:28:33,211 --> 00:28:35,714
Crapping all over
Rock and Mick.
740
00:28:35,747 --> 00:28:37,749
♪
741
00:28:37,782 --> 00:28:39,918
Neither one of them
worked very well.
742
00:28:39,951 --> 00:28:42,687
What a way to
start the year!
743
00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:44,255
We got a little
lucky that night.
744
00:28:44,289 --> 00:28:46,524
We had a great match,
me and Mick.
745
00:28:46,558 --> 00:28:49,394
That was a real
defining moment.
746
00:28:49,427 --> 00:28:51,730
This feels
pretty damn good.
747
00:28:51,763 --> 00:28:53,098
♪
748
00:28:53,131 --> 00:28:54,232
There was-
I mean, there was
749
00:28:54,265 --> 00:28:57,268
a lot of mistakes,
you know, but...
750
00:28:57,302 --> 00:29:00,038
My check didn't change.
751
00:29:00,071 --> 00:29:01,973
The in-fighting,
the jealousy...
752
00:29:02,006 --> 00:29:04,109
who is Eric
gonna listen to?
753
00:29:04,142 --> 00:29:07,812
All that started to
disintegrate something
754
00:29:07,846 --> 00:29:11,416
that was so
cool and hot.
755
00:29:11,449 --> 00:29:14,052
We were our own
worst enemies.
756
00:29:14,085 --> 00:29:15,820
It was bad enough that
the Turner executives
757
00:29:15,854 --> 00:29:17,222
didn't want us...
758
00:29:17,255 --> 00:29:19,524
we did ourself
no favors.
759
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:27,632
♪
760
00:29:27,665 --> 00:29:30,635
Now, a discussion about
cable television programming.
761
00:29:30,668 --> 00:29:32,504
Can I go to wrestling
for a second?
762
00:29:32,537 --> 00:29:34,906
[Laughing]
763
00:29:34,939 --> 00:29:36,741
Does it bother you
a little bit that
764
00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:37,742
wrestling is so popular?
765
00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:40,278
I didn't know that was
the promise of cable.
766
00:29:40,311 --> 00:29:42,947
[Laughing]
767
00:29:42,981 --> 00:29:44,482
Four years ago, I went
to a wrestling event,
768
00:29:44,516 --> 00:29:46,751
and as you were
going on the highway,
769
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,821
you were basically seeing
people in pickup trucks,
770
00:29:49,854 --> 00:29:51,456
you know, going.
771
00:29:51,489 --> 00:29:56,694
A month ago, I went to a
WCW Monday Nitro event.
772
00:29:56,728 --> 00:29:58,630
There were
40,000 people.
773
00:29:58,663 --> 00:30:00,331
Sold out in one hour.
774
00:30:00,365 --> 00:30:02,867
And, all I'm seeing
are families going.
775
00:30:02,901 --> 00:30:04,803
So...
776
00:30:04,836 --> 00:30:07,505
We're not embarrassed
by it at all.
777
00:30:07,539 --> 00:30:09,641
When you're a
single organization,
778
00:30:09,674 --> 00:30:11,876
you do one thing,
which is...
779
00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:14,546
professional wrestling,
it's very different than
780
00:30:14,579 --> 00:30:17,882
when you're a company like
Time Warner and you've got
781
00:30:17,916 --> 00:30:21,519
a lot of businesses that
have to get sorted out.
782
00:30:21,553 --> 00:30:23,288
You're gonna have people
who kind of look at this,
783
00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:26,224
and go, "Is this classy
enough for our networks?"
784
00:30:26,257 --> 00:30:27,225
Whoa!
785
00:30:27,258 --> 00:30:30,161
And how is that going
to rub off on our brand?
786
00:30:30,195 --> 00:30:33,231
Well, wrestling may be a good
product for some, but we are,
787
00:30:33,264 --> 00:30:36,634
after all, the world's leader
in news and entertainment.
788
00:30:36,668 --> 00:30:39,971
That was the rationale-
we just don't like it.
789
00:30:40,004 --> 00:30:44,242
[Eric] The fact that WCW
became successful...
790
00:30:44,275 --> 00:30:47,645
was really frustrating
for a lot of people.
791
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:49,714
It was not part of the plan.
792
00:30:49,747 --> 00:30:51,749
It never was part of the plan!
793
00:30:51,783 --> 00:30:53,151
You know, the average
person's going,
794
00:30:53,184 --> 00:30:55,486
"Why would anybody care?"
But I'll tell you why.
795
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,890
Because WCW
occupied prime time
796
00:30:58,923 --> 00:31:01,860
beachfront property
on TNT.
797
00:31:01,893 --> 00:31:03,194
There were a lot of people
that wanted that
798
00:31:03,228 --> 00:31:04,696
prime time real estate...
799
00:31:04,729 --> 00:31:08,433
and were frustrated at our
success because we got it.
800
00:31:08,466 --> 00:31:12,003
[Brad] There were so many
demands from different places.
801
00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:14,772
And, a lot of answering
to shareholders
802
00:31:14,806 --> 00:31:17,175
that have expectations.
803
00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:21,412
And, WCW got
caught up in that.
804
00:31:21,446 --> 00:31:23,181
The revenue challenges
were simple.
805
00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:27,719
One of the goals of Turner
Broadcasting was to...
806
00:31:27,752 --> 00:31:31,522
enhance the bottom line of
various divisions that
807
00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:33,224
they wanted to hold onto.
808
00:31:33,258 --> 00:31:34,359
Let's take some
of their debt,
809
00:31:34,392 --> 00:31:35,760
move it over here.
810
00:31:35,793 --> 00:31:38,196
So, they reallocated
the guts out my budget,
811
00:31:38,229 --> 00:31:41,599
so that money could be moved
over to other divisions.
812
00:31:41,633 --> 00:31:43,902
It made their bottom line
look that much better.
813
00:31:43,935 --> 00:31:48,373
We'll recognize all
those earnings at TBS.
814
00:31:48,406 --> 00:31:50,041
And because they do
business with WCW,
815
00:31:50,074 --> 00:31:52,543
we're gonna move some of
those losses over here,
816
00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:55,713
so WCW's books look
a little worse
817
00:31:55,747 --> 00:31:58,449
'cause we want it to
go away anyway.
818
00:31:58,483 --> 00:32:01,419
You could've probably
made it profitable
819
00:32:01,452 --> 00:32:04,789
if WCW charged a
boatload of money
820
00:32:04,822 --> 00:32:07,992
for carrying
wrestling to...
821
00:32:08,026 --> 00:32:11,062
TNT and to TBS, but
because we wanted
822
00:32:11,095 --> 00:32:15,166
TNT and TBS to be
much more profitable...
823
00:32:15,199 --> 00:32:17,402
the license fee we paid-
[clearing throat]-
824
00:32:17,435 --> 00:32:20,772
was very low.
825
00:32:20,805 --> 00:32:22,807
And that was,
you know, not,
826
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,743
not my decision.
Um...
827
00:32:25,777 --> 00:32:27,578
They didn't care if they
had to sacrifice WCW.
828
00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:28,846
That's kind of what
they wanted to do
829
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,249
all along anyway.
830
00:32:31,282 --> 00:32:34,018
There were people
deconstructing WCW
831
00:32:34,052 --> 00:32:36,354
from a budgetary perspective
right underneath
832
00:32:36,387 --> 00:32:38,589
everybody else's noses.
833
00:32:38,623 --> 00:32:40,158
♪
834
00:32:40,191 --> 00:32:42,927
The reason it became
so successful is what,
835
00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:45,530
in retrospect,
looked like bad deals.
836
00:32:45,563 --> 00:32:48,166
The no-cut contracts,
creative controls.
837
00:32:48,199 --> 00:32:49,767
And all those things
were necessary to
838
00:32:49,801 --> 00:32:52,704
swing the immediate
tide over.
839
00:32:52,737 --> 00:32:54,605
Guess you'd like me to sign
that, wouldn't you, huh?
840
00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:56,641
Everybody...
841
00:32:56,674 --> 00:32:59,277
was making
seven figures, plus.
842
00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:00,545
You see this!
843
00:33:00,578 --> 00:33:02,113
People know how much
this guy's getting,
844
00:33:02,146 --> 00:33:04,615
and they want to know why
they're not getting as much.
845
00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:06,951
Just drew their money
and did nothing.
846
00:33:06,985 --> 00:33:08,319
Oh, you work here?
847
00:33:08,353 --> 00:33:09,620
Oh, you've been
collecting money for
848
00:33:09,654 --> 00:33:11,322
a year sitting
on your ass.
849
00:33:11,356 --> 00:33:12,290
"Ver-say-se"?
850
00:33:12,323 --> 00:33:15,126
I can only imagine how
much money went out.
851
00:33:15,159 --> 00:33:17,628
[Laughing]
Like, they got what?
852
00:33:17,662 --> 00:33:21,833
ATM Eric.
The inference was...
853
00:33:21,866 --> 00:33:24,168
"Well, Eric has access
to Ted Turner's money.
854
00:33:24,202 --> 00:33:25,870
All he needs to do
is write a check.
855
00:33:25,903 --> 00:33:27,538
He can hire
anybody he wants."
856
00:33:27,572 --> 00:33:29,540
Like I was an
ATM machine.
857
00:33:29,574 --> 00:33:31,376
I get to spend...
858
00:33:31,409 --> 00:33:33,177
a billionaire's money!
859
00:33:33,211 --> 00:33:35,179
I got a call from
Harvey Schiller.
860
00:33:35,213 --> 00:33:37,515
Harvey said, "Eric, I need
you to come up to my office."
861
00:33:37,548 --> 00:33:41,486
Now, Harvey very rarely
summoned me to his office.
862
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:45,690
Essentially, Harvey brought
me in to let me know...
863
00:33:45,723 --> 00:33:50,228
that I had been under a
forensic investigation
864
00:33:50,261 --> 00:33:53,831
for misuse of funds.
865
00:33:53,865 --> 00:33:56,000
I thought,
this can't be real.
866
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:59,003
Presumably,
somebody had
867
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:03,241
met an executive from
Time Warner...
868
00:34:03,274 --> 00:34:05,843
and laid out this
crazy story:
869
00:34:05,877 --> 00:34:08,079
"Oh, Eric's just handing out
million-dollar contracts,
870
00:34:08,112 --> 00:34:11,215
right and left." But this
individual suggested that
871
00:34:11,249 --> 00:34:13,284
the reason I was doing that
is because those wrestlers
872
00:34:13,317 --> 00:34:15,753
were giving me
a kickback.
873
00:34:15,787 --> 00:34:20,391
So, Harvey proceeded
to tell me how this...
874
00:34:20,425 --> 00:34:22,960
forensic investigation
proved
875
00:34:22,994 --> 00:34:24,962
that none of that was true.
876
00:34:24,996 --> 00:34:26,597
They wanted to come clean,
and also to let me know
877
00:34:26,631 --> 00:34:28,266
it was complete...
878
00:34:28,299 --> 00:34:30,068
bullshit.
879
00:34:30,101 --> 00:34:32,103
That pissed me off.
880
00:34:32,136 --> 00:34:35,606
I didn't quit my job,
I wish I would have.
881
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,309
That was the
moment that
882
00:34:38,342 --> 00:34:40,778
I quit being loyal
to the company.
883
00:34:40,812 --> 00:34:43,948
♪
884
00:34:43,981 --> 00:34:45,416
Fuck them.
885
00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:53,991
[Bret] When I think back
on my career,
886
00:34:54,025 --> 00:34:55,293
there will always be
a little bitterness
887
00:34:55,326 --> 00:34:57,261
about that time period.
888
00:34:57,295 --> 00:35:00,631
I had so many things left
unfinished in my career,
889
00:35:00,665 --> 00:35:02,900
things I wanted to do.
890
00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:06,771
To watch what WCW did
with me, it was sad.
891
00:35:06,804 --> 00:35:08,473
♪
892
00:35:08,506 --> 00:35:10,508
They're killing me off
on purpose.
893
00:35:10,541 --> 00:35:12,443
And they did.
894
00:35:12,477 --> 00:35:14,645
I've always known...
895
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:17,582
that sooner or later...
896
00:35:17,615 --> 00:35:20,151
I'd have to step in the
ring with Bill Goldberg.
897
00:35:20,184 --> 00:35:22,320
[Cheering]
898
00:35:22,353 --> 00:35:23,788
How do you fight
Bill Goldberg?
899
00:35:23,821 --> 00:35:26,023
He's like a gorilla.
900
00:35:26,057 --> 00:35:28,159
Slamming guys right
through the mat.
901
00:35:28,192 --> 00:35:30,128
Running them
over like a car.
902
00:35:30,161 --> 00:35:31,262
I would pull him aside,
and say,
903
00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:35,266
"I want to teach you how to
actually not hurt guys."
904
00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:38,369
And, when I walked out to the
ring with Bill that night,
905
00:35:38,402 --> 00:35:40,671
and I remember I, like,
really looked him in the eye,
906
00:35:40,705 --> 00:35:42,773
and said,
"Don't hurt me out there."
907
00:35:42,807 --> 00:35:44,809
"You need to trust me."
908
00:35:44,842 --> 00:35:47,945
And, it all went into
one ear, out the other.
909
00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:50,781
I really think Bill just
saw me as another...
910
00:35:50,815 --> 00:35:53,851
job guy, and someone
that was cannon fodder.
911
00:35:53,885 --> 00:35:56,721
If you're watching
that match, Bill goes,
912
00:35:56,754 --> 00:35:59,290
"Watch the kick."
913
00:35:59,323 --> 00:36:01,626
And I'm like,
"Watch the kick?"
914
00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:03,728
And I don't understand
what he's doing.
915
00:36:03,761 --> 00:36:06,197
Oh!
Standing sidekick!
916
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:08,833
And he kicked me as
hard as he could.
917
00:36:08,866 --> 00:36:11,302
You can see me
grabbing my neck.
918
00:36:11,335 --> 00:36:14,038
I was concussed.
919
00:36:14,071 --> 00:36:14,906
You should protect yourself.
920
00:36:14,939 --> 00:36:17,508
You knew the kick
was coming. Right?
921
00:36:17,542 --> 00:36:19,510
I mean,
it was in the deal.
922
00:36:19,544 --> 00:36:21,913
It was never talked about or
explained to me: "I do this
923
00:36:21,946 --> 00:36:25,049
move where I kick guys in
the head as hard as I can."
924
00:36:25,082 --> 00:36:28,319
Nobody deserves that, but
it was a fricking accident.
925
00:36:28,352 --> 00:36:30,087
Complete accident.
926
00:36:30,121 --> 00:36:31,589
No, Bill, that's not
an accident.
927
00:36:31,622 --> 00:36:34,592
That's a career-ending
injury, you idiot.
928
00:36:34,625 --> 00:36:37,061
I somehow will myself
to stand up to be
929
00:36:37,094 --> 00:36:39,030
run over by this imbecile.
930
00:36:39,063 --> 00:36:41,599
[Indistinct shouting
& cheering]
931
00:36:41,632 --> 00:36:43,601
It was one of the
saddest days of my life,
932
00:36:43,634 --> 00:36:46,003
and I knew my
career was over.
933
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:47,738
He never aspired to
do anything else,
934
00:36:47,772 --> 00:36:51,275
other than be that guy.
And, I ended that for him.
935
00:36:51,309 --> 00:36:52,944
I've never been
so remorseful,
936
00:36:52,977 --> 00:36:54,579
and I have
been for years.
937
00:36:54,612 --> 00:36:56,547
But fuck, man, I can't
do anything else.
938
00:36:57,715 --> 00:37:00,284
[Bret] Bill Goldberg was
not qualified.
939
00:37:00,318 --> 00:37:02,520
But he's our star.
940
00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:04,522
They just...
941
00:37:04,555 --> 00:37:06,524
looked the other way.
942
00:37:06,557 --> 00:37:08,025
When you go through the
type of brain injury that
943
00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:12,063
I went through, you're just
grateful to be alive.
944
00:37:12,096 --> 00:37:15,399
From the very, very first
second that I got here,
945
00:37:15,433 --> 00:37:18,269
I got screwed over,
and screwed over,
946
00:37:18,302 --> 00:37:21,639
and screwed over.
947
00:37:21,672 --> 00:37:25,109
It was just such a lousy
ending for such a...
948
00:37:25,142 --> 00:37:26,978
a great career.
949
00:37:27,011 --> 00:37:29,814
Ladies and gentlemen,
he claims to be the...
950
00:37:29,847 --> 00:37:32,583
It just shows that WCW
never really appreciated or
951
00:37:32,617 --> 00:37:36,320
understood the
talent that they had.
952
00:37:36,354 --> 00:37:39,323
They dropped the ball
with me, and he knows it,
953
00:37:39,357 --> 00:37:42,426
and I know it,
and fans know it.
954
00:37:42,460 --> 00:37:45,997
But in the end, Eric Bischoff
only can answer to himself.
955
00:37:46,030 --> 00:37:49,066
♪
956
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,302
[Eric] By the summer of '99,
I was toast.
957
00:37:51,335 --> 00:37:54,138
I was frustrated, angry,
958
00:37:54,171 --> 00:37:57,141
demoralized... lost hope.
959
00:37:57,174 --> 00:37:59,577
Once you lose that,
it's pretty much over,
960
00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:01,012
and that's
where I was at.
961
00:38:01,045 --> 00:38:03,981
I was pretty disrespectful,
intentionally,
962
00:38:04,015 --> 00:38:06,317
because I always thought
I had Ted's support
963
00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:08,152
in my back pocket.
964
00:38:08,185 --> 00:38:12,123
And, I didn't know what
was going on with Ted.
965
00:38:12,156 --> 00:38:15,526
So, in October of 1997,
the Turner-
966
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:18,796
Time Warner merger
was finalized.
967
00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:21,332
And famously, Ted Turner
was not receptive to
968
00:38:21,365 --> 00:38:22,767
the idea at first.
969
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,970
Big, huge company,
a lot of money for Dad.
970
00:38:26,003 --> 00:38:27,872
They needed him and
he needed them,
971
00:38:27,905 --> 00:38:30,308
but he deluded himself.
972
00:38:30,341 --> 00:38:33,377
He's losing more
and more control.
973
00:38:33,411 --> 00:38:35,479
More control goes
to the bureaucrats,
974
00:38:35,513 --> 00:38:39,350
more control goes to
the executive types.
975
00:38:39,383 --> 00:38:40,818
He couldn't protect Eric.
976
00:38:40,851 --> 00:38:42,987
He couldn't protect
anybody at that point.
977
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:45,389
These fans love you.
We want to see more of you!
978
00:38:45,423 --> 00:38:47,458
[Eric] That was the opportunity
so many people within
979
00:38:47,491 --> 00:38:50,061
Turner Broadcasting wanted,
980
00:38:50,094 --> 00:38:52,530
and now finally had.
981
00:38:52,563 --> 00:38:55,433
I was out of ammunition,
out of everything.
982
00:39:02,773 --> 00:39:05,876
It was several years before
I recognized just how much
983
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:10,481
freedom I had and how unique
of an opportunity I had,
984
00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:14,985
that the freedom is what
led to WCW being successful.
985
00:39:15,019 --> 00:39:18,656
The time I spent
battling internally,
986
00:39:18,689 --> 00:39:20,558
it took the fun
out of it for me.
987
00:39:20,591 --> 00:39:23,761
If it wasn't for
the NWO and moi...
988
00:39:23,794 --> 00:39:27,565
none of you people
would be here tonight!
989
00:39:27,598 --> 00:39:30,434
If I had to reflect
back on that snapshot,
990
00:39:30,468 --> 00:39:32,269
summer of '99...
991
00:39:32,303 --> 00:39:35,773
may have been one of the
worst periods of my life.
992
00:39:35,806 --> 00:39:37,875
All the way across
the board.
993
00:39:37,908 --> 00:39:39,510
September 10th, 1999,
994
00:39:39,543 --> 00:39:41,178
I get up like any
other morning.
995
00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:43,047
I'm on my way to work,
996
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,749
and I get a phone call
from Harvey.
997
00:39:44,782 --> 00:39:48,285
[Phone ringing]
998
00:39:48,319 --> 00:39:51,455
[Laughing] And,
Harvey said, "Eric,
999
00:39:51,489 --> 00:39:53,591
you need to come
to my office."
1000
00:39:53,624 --> 00:39:57,561
I got to the CNN Center,
went up to Harvey's office.
1001
00:39:57,595 --> 00:40:00,898
And he said, "Eric,
you need to go home."
1002
00:40:00,931 --> 00:40:03,267
I said, "Harvey...
1003
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:04,902
I'll get home in
a little while,
1004
00:40:04,935 --> 00:40:06,771
but I've got a
Pay Per View on Sunday."
1005
00:40:06,804 --> 00:40:11,542
The WCW Fall Brawl
of 1999.
1006
00:40:11,575 --> 00:40:13,110
[Cheering]
1007
00:40:13,144 --> 00:40:15,646
He said,
"Not anymore."
1008
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:17,615
♪
1009
00:40:17,648 --> 00:40:20,418
And that's when
it dawned on me.
1010
00:40:20,451 --> 00:40:24,422
And I'll be honest with you,
it was a combination of...
1011
00:40:24,455 --> 00:40:27,792
confusion, because it
hadn't quite sunk in.
1012
00:40:27,825 --> 00:40:29,460
♪
1013
00:40:29,493 --> 00:40:31,495
And relief.
1014
00:40:31,529 --> 00:40:34,165
♪
1015
00:40:34,198 --> 00:40:36,434
I wasn't disappointed.
1016
00:40:36,467 --> 00:40:38,636
I didn't fight it.
1017
00:40:38,669 --> 00:40:41,605
I was shocked.
I was shocked.
1018
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:45,142
How many years head
start had Vince had?
1019
00:40:45,176 --> 00:40:49,647
And then, he beat him
for 83 straight weeks.
1020
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,484
I did it...
I did it!
1021
00:40:53,517 --> 00:40:56,654
Pretty, pretty
impressive record.
1022
00:40:56,687 --> 00:40:59,190
What do you say
about Eric Bischoff?
1023
00:40:59,223 --> 00:41:03,360
It's what you call "taking
the bull by the horns".
1024
00:41:03,394 --> 00:41:06,764
What Eric did was impossible,
in spite of the fact that
1025
00:41:06,797 --> 00:41:09,633
everybody was against him.
1026
00:41:09,667 --> 00:41:12,436
I don't know how he didn't
blow his brains out.
1027
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,371
This has- [Laughing]
This has gotta be the most
1028
00:41:14,405 --> 00:41:17,508
terrible circumstances for
anybody to work in.
1029
00:41:17,541 --> 00:41:18,843
[Eric] I pulled into
the driveway...
1030
00:41:18,876 --> 00:41:20,277
He walks in the door,
and I asked him-
1031
00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:21,345
"What are you doing here?"
1032
00:41:21,378 --> 00:41:23,981
And I sat down at the
kitchen table, and I said,
1033
00:41:24,014 --> 00:41:25,282
"I got fired."
1034
00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:27,117
I think he was a bit rattled.
1035
00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:28,152
She says, "What are
you gonna do?"
1036
00:41:28,185 --> 00:41:30,688
He got on his plane,
you know, threw his stuff
1037
00:41:30,721 --> 00:41:34,225
in a bag and flew himself
to, to Cody, Wyoming.
1038
00:41:34,258 --> 00:41:37,061
The next day I was fishing
right up the road from
1039
00:41:37,094 --> 00:41:39,129
where I live right now.
1040
00:41:39,163 --> 00:41:44,468
♪
1041
00:41:44,502 --> 00:41:47,705
The fishing was awesome,
by the way.
1042
00:41:47,738 --> 00:41:49,974
It was awesome that day.
1043
00:41:50,007 --> 00:41:52,376
♪
1044
00:41:52,409 --> 00:41:55,179
I'll give Eric his props.
At the end of the day,
1045
00:41:55,212 --> 00:41:57,848
it was his idea for
the NWO.
1046
00:41:57,882 --> 00:41:59,550
He did push the luchadores.
1047
00:41:59,583 --> 00:42:01,819
He did push Goldberg.
1048
00:42:01,852 --> 00:42:04,688
Eric put the pieces of
that puzzle together.
1049
00:42:04,722 --> 00:42:06,223
And, "Oh,
it wasn't his money,"
1050
00:42:06,257 --> 00:42:09,860
and blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
1051
00:42:09,894 --> 00:42:12,363
He knew what
he was doing.
1052
00:42:12,396 --> 00:42:15,499
The moves he made
by getting Hogan...
1053
00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:19,603
Savage, Nash,
and the remake of Sting.
1054
00:42:19,637 --> 00:42:21,705
There were so many
good things he did.
1055
00:42:21,739 --> 00:42:23,574
Wait a minute...
1056
00:42:23,607 --> 00:42:25,409
I didn't get involved
in his world.
1057
00:42:25,442 --> 00:42:28,512
I didn't know the intricacies
of the soap opera.
1058
00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:31,248
Eric knew that.
1059
00:42:31,282 --> 00:42:33,884
In those years that
we were crushing it,
1060
00:42:33,918 --> 00:42:38,055
Eric delivered exactly what
I asked him to deliver.
1061
00:42:38,088 --> 00:42:40,791
This is where the
big boys play, huh?
1062
00:42:40,824 --> 00:42:42,459
We ain't here to play.
1063
00:42:42,493 --> 00:42:44,628
Hollywood at the helm.
1064
00:42:44,662 --> 00:42:48,566
It's the N...W...O!
1065
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:49,733
I mean, no matter what
you think about Eric
1066
00:42:49,767 --> 00:42:52,770
later down the road,
he really was
1067
00:42:52,803 --> 00:42:54,738
one of those people
that worked his butt off,
1068
00:42:54,772 --> 00:42:57,408
he worked hard,
and he stayed at it.
1069
00:42:57,441 --> 00:42:59,910
And, he was great
to work with.
1070
00:42:59,944 --> 00:43:03,314
♪
1071
00:43:03,347 --> 00:43:06,150
It is my honor and my
privilege to introduce you
1072
00:43:06,183 --> 00:43:10,321
to the man,
Vince Russo!
1073
00:43:10,354 --> 00:43:14,258
He's the man behind all
the story lines at WWE.
1074
00:43:14,291 --> 00:43:17,294
Now we've got him.
We've got their genius.
1075
00:43:17,328 --> 00:43:20,230
He's using Jeff Jarrett's
testicles for punching bags!
1076
00:43:20,264 --> 00:43:22,433
His thing was,
let's get the audience
1077
00:43:22,466 --> 00:43:24,068
that isn't watching
wrestling.
1078
00:43:24,101 --> 00:43:27,237
It was lots of
shock and awe.
1079
00:43:27,271 --> 00:43:30,341
It made it not
advertiser-friendly.
1080
00:43:30,374 --> 00:43:32,242
Eric's boys were not
1081
00:43:32,276 --> 00:43:34,578
in tune with what
Russo wanted.
1082
00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:36,614
I've got plans
for you, pal!
1083
00:43:36,647 --> 00:43:39,850
Vince Russo, you're going to
fucking hell just for that.
1084
00:43:39,883 --> 00:43:41,986
I am the boss!
1085
00:43:42,019 --> 00:43:43,654
Those guys didn't want
to give up their spots.
1086
00:43:43,687 --> 00:43:46,023
Yeah! 'Cause we
earned our spot.
1087
00:43:46,056 --> 00:43:48,158
It's now an end of an era!
1088
00:43:48,192 --> 00:43:50,794
This is a television show.
1089
00:43:50,828 --> 00:43:52,863
You want to go to a wrestling
show, go to a house show.
1090
00:43:52,896 --> 00:43:54,632
...I think we're
deviating from the script.
1091
00:43:54,665 --> 00:43:55,966
What the hell is going on?
1092
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,501
That's gonna go down
as one of the most
1093
00:43:57,534 --> 00:44:00,304
infamous moments in the
history of television.
1094
00:44:00,337 --> 00:44:02,373
That's why this company's
in the damn shape it's in
1095
00:44:02,406 --> 00:44:04,575
because of bullshit like this!
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