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Something horrible is going on.

This person is seeing dead people being around the bed.

The thing got in bed with me and put their arm around me.

What do you think is here? I think there's a demon here.

It is taking pieces of them.

There was even some reports of people doing some weird rituals out here.

This thing is very bad. Go pack your stuff now.

Bad, bad, bad, bad.

It wants the person dead.

My name is Amy Allen.

I see dead people. I saw a winged creature.

I speak to dead people.

And they speak to me.

This person feels like a monster.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

They are sucking the life out of these people.

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve DeShop. I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.

So how many bodies are we talking? And I know every person, every house has

secrets. It's my job to reveal them. But Steve and I never speak.

We never communicate during an investigation.

Until the very end.

You're not going to like this.

When we uncover if it saved you to stay. I'm sorry, I need to take a break.

Or time to get out. It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you.

I'm in Oxnard, California. It's a beachside city about an hour and a half

Los Angeles.

A woman named Kelly called me in.

She sounded bad.

She thinks whatever's in the house killed her husband and her father.

And she's convinced it's still out for blood.

I need help. I want to cleanse this house because, honestly, I can't take

more of it.

Hopefully, Amy and I can help before anyone else gets hurt.

This interesting place.

I don't like it.

This is a not good area.

Ugh.

I don't like it.

I don't know why.

Oh, bad, bad, bad, bad. Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.

Kelly, glad I'm here because when we spoke on the phone, you sounded pretty

angry. Correct.

What's going on?

Whatever's in this house, I feel like it's going to eventually kill me. I feel

like it killed my father and my late husband.

That's pretty strong of a statement that you're telling me.

Let's start with your father.

Why do you say that?

Because the way he died.

How it happened, he was like me and you, talking, happy, laughing, carrying on

with his life. And then he got the diagnosis, and basically he went

evening, and I couldn't wake him up.

So he passed away in the house?

Correct. So what was the diagnosis?

Lymphoma cancer.

Okay, how old was he? He was 89 years old.

Okay. Your late husband, tell me what happened there.

Found him dead in the...

Bedroom. Okay, how old was he?

45. 45 -year -old men don't just drop dead.

He died of an overdose.

Okay, I lost a brother to an overdose.

And I found him. I know what that's like. It's not easy to deal with. And

sorry that did happen to you. Thank you. Do you feel the paranormal here

influenced him to start using again?

Yes, I do.

He had been clean and sober for about a year.

You look real happy in this photo.

Yeah.

How long have you lived here?

I was born and raised here. Okay. Then I moved away, and then I came back about

eight years ago.

Okay. Who all lives in the house, Kelly?

My daughter, Sarah. She's 15. My mother, she's 71.

And myself.

So let me ask you a question. I noticed that you had a bed set up in the living

room. I'm assuming that's for your mom.

Correct. She had a stroke about eight years ago.

How bad is her health right now?

Well, she can't walk. She's paralyzed.

Completely on her left side.

Okay. Her mind isn't as sharp as it used to be.

Lately, the last couple weeks, she's actually has said that my father and her

father has been visiting her. I asked her, what did they say?

Why are they here?

And she said that they just came to tell her that everything's going to be okay.

What do you take from that?

She's going to be checking out pretty soon.

How are you holding up with that?

I just try to be strong and not cry. I don't want to, you know, I guess show

that I'm weak.

Because whatever is here, my full strong belief is that it gets a kick out of

that, out of my emotion.

And I can't show that.

What do you think is here?

I think there's a demon here.

Why not just walk away from this madness that's going on here? My father built

this house.

Okay. I was born in this house. And out of respect for my father, I want to stay

here and fight.

I can understand that.

I feel very drained in here.

There's like this little woman, petite, very thin, like gray -white hair.

Just like no energy, frail, confused.

She goes in and out of here. I'm wondering, like, is she still alive or

did she die?

She's so heavy with, like, confusion and, like, a lot of nausea associated

with her, too. Like, very sick.

I keep hearing 78 with her.

I'm assuming that's her age.

And I do feel something potentially with her heart.

Yeah, I think the living would certainly get sick in here.

I got to get out. I got to get out of this room.

Why did you bring me into this room?

This is where my father passed.

Okay. How long ago did your father pass?

A year ago. Okay, so he was in bed here?

Yes. Basically, he came up from downstairs, came to bed, and really kind

never woke up.

Okay, but you were here in the room with him when he passed?

Correct. I'm curious, though. Do you think he's still here at all?

I don't believe so. Okay.

Do you like that he's not here, or do you wish he was?

No. He needs to be where he needs to be. Okay.

There's an older male here.

Is it like a hot attack with him?

I'm assuming he lived here at some point.

I don't know if he owned this house or if it was family. He seems fairly

Maybe the 90s or 2000s.

He seems frustrated.

He wants out.

He doesn't like it.

I think he's pissed. He's just upset. I don't know. He's an angry guy.

He likes it outside, out back.

He feels like he's been pushed out.

He's like, everything's gone to... So what, if any, experiences are you having

in the house?

Right after my dad died, I heard his voice say, I'm cold.

I am cold.

So, I'm cold. Does that mean anything to you? That's what he had told me before

he was dying.

And you're confident it was your father's voice?

I'm confident it was his voice, but it was not him.

It was demonic.

That's actually when I knew then and there that this thing is straight -up

All right, so anything else?

I see shadow figures throughout the house.

All right, so give me an example.

One time I was sleeping in Sarah's room, and I woke up, some large shadow

standing over me.

So how big are we talking?

I feel about this tall.

Okay. About yay wide.

It's touching me like here.

Caressing you? Yep.

Doing this.

Oh. What else is going on?

Well, I have dreams about this demon -looking thing, and I just call it a

Can you describe it for me?

Yes. He crawls on all fours. His body is bruised all over.

All right. And his face is kind of disfigured. So in your dream, when you

this thing, does it appear like it wants to hurt you?

Yeah.

In what way?

Physically, mentally, emotionally.

I honestly don't know how you live in here.

Me neither.

I'm seeing that old dying woman.

And she's looking in the mirror and talking to herself.

I think she opened some sort of gateway.

I got this thing. It looks burned or really old or both.

Kept trying to absorb my energy. I think that thing can come and go through the

mirror. There are also random dead people coming out of the mirror.

So I'm thinking these aren't the best people.

I think the living would feel that intention, that negative darkness.

They're introducing stuff.

The living?

Yeah. So they're being drained, the dead people in the mirror, for taking their

energy.

Now, the scary thing there is that when that's happening, when the dead are

doing this, it's not only just the person's energy, it's like their

their memories.

This is negative and bad.

So, Jennifer, I understand you used to live here. Yes.

Talking to your mom, she's convinced that the paranormal killed your

grandfather, killed her late husband, and is looking to kill somebody else in

this home.

I want to know what you think about her, or is she overreacting with what she's

thinking? No, I don't think she's overreacting at all.

I'm worried something's going to happen to her.

Okay, so I got to assume you've had experiences here. I have.

There's something here that makes people angry and fight.

Me and my husband, we would start fighting, arguing.

Was that the cause of you moving away from here?

Yeah. I had to get out of this house because I felt like this house was just

destroying the marriage, really.

Okay, so anything else?

I was actually living in here at the time, in this room. My son was sick all

night. He was about maybe five, six months old, and I was, you know, trying

comfort him. But right when I did that, I literally got punched in my back.

You realize how dangerous that was? Are you holding a newborn and getting

punched like that?

Yes, it was very dangerous.

Okay, so that was pretty intense. Anything else?

One time I was washing my son's bottle in the kitchen. Okay.

And there's a window above the sink. I happened to glance up and I seen an

lady in like a vintage nightgown. It scared the crap out of me. If you saw a

photo or a portrait, did you recognize her?

Yes, actually. Me and my mom were going through old family photos one time, and

I was like, who is this? This is the lady who I've seen standing behind me.

who was it? It was actually my mom's grandma.

So your great -grandmother? Mm -hmm.

Interesting.

I see a woman.

She's like a shadow woman.

Shadow woman is very present in here.

She's coming from outside.

When living people see her, they see a shadow person.

She has a dark side.

Like, I see her getting angry and yelling.

And when she doesn't get her way, she's got a violent temper.

I see her banging on the walls, banging on the bed.

So, Sarah, this is a pretty cool room. Thank you.

Would you rather move from here or would you rather stay if we could fix it?

I like living here, but if we have to move, I wouldn't mind it. How about

experiences that you've had?

Can you tell me about them?

I just honestly have the worst nightmares.

So tell me about some of them.

I've had some where, like... I'm being held down. I can't move.

Right. Or, like, I'm being choked.

Like, a lot of them would just be, like, I'm being, like, suffocated.

I mean, just thinking about that's got me.

Yeah. Trying to breathe.

So do you wake up from all this anxiety?

Yeah. I always feel, like, really, really scared.

So you laugh when you're nervous, right? Yes.

I can see that.

Okay. So you're nervous right now. Yeah. I don't like talking about that.

Oh, okay.

What else is going on?

One time.

I was laying in bed right here and something came in and walked around to

other side of the bed and then got in bed with me and put their arm around me

and then got up and walked out.

Did you think you were dreaming?

No. This was like very, very for real.

I don't want that to happen to you ever again because if it can do that, who

knows what else it can do.

Still attacks happening.

This is an actual living person who's getting, like, attacked.

This person is seeing dead people, I believe, coming out the

closet.

I just see a bunch of people coming out the closet, being around the bed.

So I think this person's a medium, and they just opened up the vortex up in

their closet, and so dead people are coming in.

That thing. The one that I saw coming through the mirror, they see it. And I

think that scares them the most. And then it comes down on the bed.

So what does it look like?

It's pretty big. The skin is weird. The skin's like burnt or like mummified,

kind of like a gray -brown color.

And it's got really long hands.

Super skinny, not anatomically correct.

Is this thing?

Dangerous? Living?

Yeah, because it can take energy. It is taking pieces of them.

It's taking their memories and that's kind of breaking them down mentally.

So it's like a monster, really.

It wasn't hard to figure out where to start this investigation.

There's an old cemetery right by Kelly's house. In fact, you can see it from her

kitchen. So I called a local author who says the place has a long and sad

history that I'm definitely going to want to know about.

So, Connie, I've got to thank you for helping me out with this case and

me here.

This cemetery looks pretty run down.

What can you tell me about it?

Well, this is the Masonic Guyanini Cemetery.

Okay. It was established in 1898.

You can't tell by the way it looks now, but it was once a lush cemetery.

All right, so this place has been here over 120 years, it sounds like. So who

built it? The original board of directors, Winfield Saviors. Okay. A

named Achilles Levy. Okay.

And a former senator, Thomas Barth.

You probably saw some of these names on the street signs around town.

Actually, I have. So some of those names you mentioned to me, are those people

buried here at all?

Yes, they are. The Saviors family is actually located over there. Okay. And

their young son, Jack, is also buried right there.

Okay, so any idea how many people are buried here?

Originally, it was 360 plus.

Okay. But the current owner says it's more like 50 to 60.

All right, so what happened to the rest of those bodies?

In 1908, they separated the cemetery. Over there, they separated the Japanese.

There's about 140 people buried in that cemetery. And along the tree line are

burials of Mexican -Americans.

Okay, so if I got this right, they didn't want any white people buried in

same cemetery with Japanese or Mexican people as well. That is correct.

Not for nothing, but this place is a mess.

I mean, is anybody even being buried here anymore?

No, the last burial was in 1949.

Okay. Since then, there's been vandalism going on, people have stolen

headstones, and there was even some reports of people doing some weird

out here.

Really? Yes. But yet, names of these people that are buried here are all over

the city.

Correct. But they don't think twice about their resting site.

Yeah, it's a shame.

I get to the...

cemetery area and i see this huge hole and i had to

fight like to try to keep myself from being sucked into the hole and it's dark

and it's negative and it takes people or rather their energy down this is

negative and bad connie mentioned that one of the graves

belonged to a kid from a prominent family here So I called the local

teacher who says that's true and that the boy's death was a tragic fluke

accident.

Well, Chris, I appreciate you coming out and helping me out with this case.

Before we get to this kid's tragic death, this prominent family, what can

tell me about?

The Saviors. The Saviors have been here for over 100 years.

Okay. A powerful family.

During your research of this family, did anything stand out with them that might

help my case?

Yeah, the matriarch of the family, Charlotte, stands out. She was from

Massachusetts, and she came through Iowa in the 1880s, and she married Charles

Saviors in 1888.

Here in California.

Here in California. And what's more interesting about that is it was a

wedding.

Okay, so back in those days, that had to be a big deal. Pretty scandalous,

right? That is pretty scandalous at the time.

It just doesn't happen.

All right, so they obviously have one child. Did they have any more?

Well, they had a total of four.

In this 1900 census, it shows that four children.

All right, so who's this kid Jack buried by my client's house?

He is the only child of her son Walter and his wife Margaret. So what happened

to this kid Jack?

Ah, that is pretty sad.

Jack is at his grandmother's and grandfather's house playing around a

the wagon has bales of hay in it. Two fall off, crush his skull, and break his

arm. How old was he?

Four years old.

Oh, geez.

All right, so when did this happen?

Happened in 1918.

Did he die instantly?

He died a week later on February 1, 1918.

Here's an article on it.

So this poor kid suffered for a week. Oh, yes.

So talking about Charlotte and her grandchild and it happened on their

She must have been, you know, destroyed from the guilt. Yeah, you have to be

devastated. That family had to tear him apart.

It just goes to show that if you got money and you're powerful, it doesn't

a tragedy like this from happening.

I'm seeing the shadow woman again.

She.

You know, came from back east.

From the east, she went to the Dakotas, and then she walked here.

She said she slept her way here, and she was laughing.

So I kind of think she was like a hooker.

The year 1918 is very important for her.

Like, I feel like horrible, something horrible is going on.

Ugh. I'm scared.

I am scared.

So far, I've got a client who thinks the paranormal killed her father and her

husband on a property near a vandalized cemetery where strange rituals were

done. But I want to see if there's anything else.

Searching through old records, I find a brutal triple murder that happened just

down the road from Kelly's house.

I've reached out to a retired detective.

He looked into this homicide for me and said the senseless triple murder was

about two things, revenge and money.

So, Mike, I appreciate you helping me out with this case.

This homicide, who would have played?

So you have an Oxnard ranch family. Okay.

Swiss immigrant Peter Fuhrer, his wife Bertha. Okay. And they have an infant

daughter, Virginia, 10 months old.

What did you find out about these people in general? I mean, what's their story?

The ranch actually was pretty successful.

Peter employed a number of ranch hands. Okay. One of those ranch hands was named

Louis 14.

Unfortunately, Louie was not a good ranch hand, and Peter ended up firing

All right. I see where this might be going.

What happened? As an act of revenge, he went and cashed a $250 check in Peter's

name. All right. So what happens next?

A couple weeks go by, and he gets real nervous about getting caught. So he

back to the ranch.

He finds Peter in the barn.

proceeds to find a metal pipe and hit him over the head with it and kill him.

So what's he do after that?

Well, he decides that there are some more loose ends, so he goes into the

and he finds Bertha, and he hits her over the head with the same metal pipe

kills her as well.

Okay, so now we got the baby left.

Yes, and unfortunately, he didn't know what to do with the baby, so he decided

that he was going to end her life as well.

Same metal pipe.

And she's 10 months old, right? Yes.

This sick...

He doesn't know what to do with the kid and just kills her? Yeah. Like this

temetho is going to identify him? Absolutely, yeah. I have all three death

certificates here as well for the family, all indicating death by homicide

a metal pipe. So the cause of death is the same for all three of them? Correct.

So he comes back later, though. He decides he's not finished, so he brings

of kerosene with him.

He moves all three family members into one room, and then he spreads out the

kerosene and proceeds to light the house on fire.

All right. So they tracked this guy down? Tracked him down, brought him in

questioning. And under questioning by the sheriff, he admits to all three

homicides. Did he go to trial or did he just plea out? Went to trial and was

found guilty.

Sentenced him to death by hanging.

All right. So he's found guilty and sent away. Where'd he go? He went to San

Quentin. I have his mugshot right here.

Well, I can't believe you got this mugshot from 1916.

Look at the dates. The crime committed in March 1916 hung in the gallows that

July. That was the justice system back then.

What a piece of... Huh?

I'm hearing, like, a man just, like, barking.

I'm, like, scared. I'm scared. I'm scared.

Ah! Something about a fire.

Like, a little piece of this person is left.

I think that the living would feel this panic and fear, like they're

being watched around in here, and feeling stalked.

And feeling a lot of pain, like a pain, horrible pain in my side, pain in my

neck, pain in my jaw.

So what exactly might the living pick up off of this pain?

Sudden, like, stabbing feeling in the side.

Horrible neck pain.

Horrible jaw pain.

Oh, God. And back.

Yeah, wicked, wicked back pain.

Ooh, ooh, ooh.

Like, wicked all through here.

Horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible.

I saw several horrifying things on my walk, but

two stood out. First, the dead guy who got pushed out to the backyard.

He was, like, bald on top.

Late 70s, early 80s mustache.

So, pretty thick.

Does he have any markings or scars on his face?

It seems like he had rough skin on his cheeks.

Next, I described the thing climbing into bed with a living woman.

Its skin is strange. It looks gray.

It's got abnormally long limbs.

Definitely like an elongated skull.

Amy, is this what you saw?

Yes, that's what I thought.

Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, we're ready to reveal

findings to each other.

and our clients for the first time.

So guys, this is Amy.

She's going to be doing the reveal from another room where she can concentrate

on your case and the dead without any distraction.

Amy, meet Kelly.

She's the one that called us in.

She lives here with her 71 -year -old mom, who unfortunately is not doing too

well health -wise, and her 15 -year -old daughter, Sarah.

This is Jennifer, one of Kelly's other daughters.

She grew up here and got the hell out because of all the stuff that was going

on. And she wishes the rest of the family would do the same, actually.

So unless Amy's got some questions for you, she'll tell us about her walk.

So I have to say that this was a very active walk.

The first thing that I want to discuss is a deceased woman.

She did have an accent. She told me she was from back east.

She had traveled to first apparently the Dakotas, and then she kind of said that

she slept her way here. I took that as her potentially being a

prostitute. She did mention a few times the year 1918, the living

may see her in the shadow form.

The problem is, is she actually does have a dark side.

Basically, if she doesn't get her way, that's when she kind of lashes out and

becomes a bit violent.

I see her banging on the wall, banging on the bed.

You didn't tell me about seeing shadows.

Yes. Standing over me while I was sleeping and have been, you know,

touched. What about the banging noises?

Does that make any sense to you? Sure does.

The bed would move, shake.

So that shadow woman you're talking about reminds me of a woman that I came

across in my research.

Her name was Charlotte, and she was originally from New England.

Now, she came here to California in the 1880s by way of Iowa.

In 1888, she married into the Saviors family.

Wow.

They're one of the most prominent families in town.

I don't know if you noticed, but there's signs all over the place with their

name on it.

Now, the shadow woman told you she might have slept her way here. I think what

she might have meant was that she had to have a shotgun wedding back in 1888.

And back then, that was scandalous.

Now, you also mentioned the year 1918, which was very important to her.

So in late January of that year, her four -year -old grandson was playing on

farm. All of a sudden, two bales of hay.

Came crushing down and landed on the kid.

Fractured his skull.

The kid was only four years old, and he died eventually about a week later.

He's actually buried at the cemetery.

You can throw a rock at it from here.

Oh, what?

Yeah.

What kind of cemetery is it? It's a mess.

It's in disrepair. There's headstones everywhere, missing.

They think satanic groups might have been in there doing some rituals.

Oh.

Okay, what else?

The next dead person that I came into contact with was initially in the living

room. It's like the back of the house.

He is actually pretty recent. I would have said 1990s or 2000s. I got

that he died suddenly, I think from a heart attack.

And he's very upset and very frustrated.

So now he hangs out mostly in the backyard.

All right, so Amy, now's probably a good time to tell you why Kelly called us

in. She believes that the house has already killed two people she loves.

Now, the first, that was her husband, Ruben, who passed away here in the house

in 2007.

A photo of Ruben and Kelly.

He was a recovering addict.

He ended up using, he had been clean for quite a while, and he overdosed.

in one of the back bedrooms.

Now, the second death was last year, and that was Kelly's dad.

Now, he was 89, so I'm not so sure it had something to do with the paranormal.

She's convinced that paranormal had a lot to do with it. He wasn't your

89 -year -old man.

Ah, got it.

Actually, I have a picture of her dad, and this is your late brother as well,

right? Correct.

Okay. I had a sketch done of the person that I saw.

Okay.

Holly, tell me who you think this looks like.

Kind of looks like Danny.

Danny was your brother, correct?

Yeah.

Can you tell me the circumstances of him passing?

He passed away of a heart attack at the age of 55.

How long ago was that?

11 months after my husband died.

So 2008? 2008, yes.

Amy, you're thinking her brother's still here?

Yes.

So the next person I'm going to talk about is an older female.

This female may not be deceased. She may be in the dying process.

So I was confused on if she was dead or dying.

I kept hearing 78 with her. She seemed very frail and confused.

I got something also going on with the heart, and there's a lot of nausea

associated with her.

You guys think what I'm thinking?

My mother is 71 years old.

She...

went in for open -heart surgery and suffered a stroke on the operating

she mentally okay?

Yeah, no, she's not.

Okay. So, Amy, we're pretty convinced it's Kelly's mom who's alive that you're

dealing with a tear. Yeah, I'm sorry.

I hate to even ask it, but what else?

Now, this is where things get a little unusual.

I saw a woman who was younger.

She looked like your mother, but younger.

Looking into a mirror with a candle, and she was saying something into the

mirror, and I could not hear it. When she did that, she inadvertently opened

a doorway through the mirror.

And now there's quite a few dead people that kind of hang out in the

mirrors. This is very concerning because they can draw energy in from you.

Okay? And that's what makes them negative. All right?

You guys may see people when you look in the mirror, or you may catch people in

movement out of the corner of your eyes concerning any mirror in the house.

So you saw a reflection in the window.

Yes. I was washing baby bottles, and I was looking down, and I had, like,

glanced up above, you know, the window, and I seen this old lady. She was

standing on this side right behind me.

I totally got creeped out. Like, hell no. Tell Amy how you were able to find

who this woman was that you saw.

We were looking through old family photos one time, and I happened to see

lady that I've seen standing behind me.

And I asked my mom who that was, and she had mentioned that that was her

grandma.

So your great -grandmother.

Was she ever in the house?

Oh, yeah.

She was there, like, every day.

The thing that worried me was what I did see coming out of the mirror.

I just called it the thing.

It can come and go.

Never alive.

Very bizarre looking.

Its skin was like burned looking.

This thing is no good.

Very bad.

It also takes energy like the bad dead people, but more so.

Tell her about being lethargic. I feel like that all the time. Tired, drained,

energy sucked out of me.

The other thing that it's doing is it can pick pieces of your personality out

and also your memories.

So, you said the thing. You and I kind of look at each other.

Well, that's... Exactly what I call it. The thing.

Exactly. Are you having any memory problems?

Yeah.

You guys kind of looked at each other when Amy mentioned about taking a piece

people's personalities. What was that about?

What's up, Jennifer? Don't hold back.

Well, she's totally, she's totally different when she's here.

Totally different.

She's not herself.

Like, she gets mad very easily.

When I walked upstairs, I went into the bedroom to the right.

That's Sarah's room.

The female, living female that I got in there, I feel has abilities.

Because of her abilities, there's actually another vortex in the closet.

So what I saw going on up there were the dead coming from the closet surrounding

the bed of this person, this female.

These are dead people who want help.

But the problem is I saw the thing there, too, and it changed, and it

much smaller, and it was crawling into the bed with this person.

I did have a sketch done of what I saw happen.

You're not going to like seeing this.

That's really sad.

Creepy. It's creepy.

She ever told you a story about something and crawling into a bed with

She came in, told me in the morning. She asked me, hey, by any chance, did you

get in bed with me?

And I said, no, I didn't.

That's not good.

I'm speechless, to be honest with you.

You wanted to move out, get the hell out of here. Now you must really want to

leave. Oh, yeah.

Yes, I do.

Go pack your stuff now.

Well, I can't remember the last time Amy...

seen so much stuff in one house.

Clearly, it's a good thing you guys called us in.

Now the question is, is there anything you can do to fight back and keep the

house and your family?

But for that answer, I'm going to turn it over to Amy.

You can stay.

But there's a lot, a lot of things that need to be done and on a consistent

basis. For you to be able to stay here in peace.

I'm going to bring in a group of sensitive, including some mediums.

The first thing that needs to happen is for your brother to be moved on

comfortably.

That'll go fairly quickly because he is very ready to go.

So Amy, do you think the house had anything to do with the death of Kelly's

father and husband?

No.

Okay.

The second thing that needs to happen is the large vortex,

where this thing is coming in and out of the mirrors, needs to be shut

and severed and sealed.

So once that's done, they will seal the other vortex upstairs.

In Sarah's room.

Yes. Closing these vortexes will keep the dead and the thing from coming

your home.

Next, there needs to be a barrier placed around the house.

Get a large bag of salt and take that around the yard where your land ends.

The shadow woman is going to be pushed out past your property line.

So she won't be able to get back in once this barrier is put around.

I want the barrier redone every two weeks for a year.

Well, it's a hell of a list.

Is this worth you staying here?

Yeah. It is? Yeah.

But you would rather see mom leave? Of course. Yeah. Uh -huh. Yeah.

But she's not, so I've got to live with it, I guess. Yeah.

Mothers are stubborn. Mm -hmm.

I really hope Kelly follows my advice by moving her brother on and closing the

vortexes inside her home.

Once she does that, she can put a barrier around her property and live

peacefully in the house her father built for many years to come.