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I have therefore chosen
this time and place
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to discuss a topic on which
ignorance too often abounds
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and the truth
too rarely perceived,
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and that is the most important
topic on earth, peace.
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What kind of a peace do I mean
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and what kind of
a peace do we seek?
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Not a Pax Americana
enforced on the world
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by American weapons of war.
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Not the peace of the grave
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or the security of the slave.
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I am talking about
genuine peace,
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the kind of peace that makes
life on earth worth living.
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The kind that enables men
and nations to grow
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and to hope
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and build a better life
for their children,
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not merely peace for Americans
but peace for all men and women.
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Not merely peace in our time,
but peace in all time.
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[tranquil music playing]
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[woman] That straight, sleek
look that it should have,
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and very often you'll find
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a zipper hidden
in the, uh, arm and--
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Good afternoon,
ladies and gentlemen.
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You'll excuse the fact
that I'm out of breath,
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but about 10 or 15 minutes ago,
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a tragic thing, from
all indications at this point,
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has happened
in the city of Dallas.
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This is Walter Cronkite
in our newsroom.
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Here's a, uh, piece of copy
that was rushed to-- to me
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and was torn off
from the United Press.
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President Kennedy
has been shot in Dallas.
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Along with
Governor Connally of Texas.
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They've been taken
to Parkland Hospital there,
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where their condition is,
as yet, unknown.
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[reporter 1]
And just now we've received
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reports here at Parkland
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that Governor Connally was
shot in the upper left chest,
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and the first
unconfirmed reports
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say the President
was hit in the head.
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That's an unconfirmed report
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that the President
was hit in the head.
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[reporter 2]
Police began chasing
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an unknown gunman
across the railroad tracks.
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Would you see if they need
some coffee or something?
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These people
are awfully shaken up.
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They were in the line of fire.
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[man] The President's car
was some 50 feet
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when we heard the first shot.
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And then as the car
got directly in front of us,
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a gunshot from
the top of the hill
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hit the President's side--
side of the temple.
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[reporter over phone]
Where did the shots come from?
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[woman over phone]
The shots came from the hill.
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[reporter]
From the hill?
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[woman]
Yes.
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[reporter 3] Excuse me
just a moment, John.
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Uh, there was just word
from the hospital
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that they have dispatched
a call for a neurosurgeon.
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All we can do now
is pray for him,
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and that's about all we can do.
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[reporter 4] President's wife,
Jackie Kennedy, was not hurt.
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She walked into the hospital.
A priest has been ordered.
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Emergency supplies of blood
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also being rushed
to the hospital.
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[reporter 5] Just a moment.
We have a bulletin coming in.
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We'll now put you directly
through Parkland Hospital
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and KBLX news director,
Bill Hamdon.
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[reporter 6]
Two priests, who were with
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President Kennedy,
say he is dead.
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[woman gasps]
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-Just two priests announced it?
-[man] Yes.
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But it's not the truth, is it?
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[Walter Cronkite]
The flash, apparently official,
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President Kennedy died
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at 1:00 p.m.
Central Standard Time,
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some 38 minutes ago.
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[boy] I just can't see
why anybody would want
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to shoot Mr. Kennedy for all
the things he's done for us.
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He tried to keep us from
getting into war and everything.
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It's a simple matter of a bullet
right through the head.
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[officer] All the information
that we have received
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now indicates that it did come
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from about the fifth or fourth
floor of that building.
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We're checking it out now.
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10-4 now, and 112.
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We found empty rifle shells,
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and it looked like the man
had been there for some time.
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[reporter 7]
Police made a systematic search
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of the building.
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They found no weapon.
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[reporter 8]
We just got the word.
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Lyndon B. Johnson
has been sworn in
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as the President
of the United States
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just prior to a takeoff
to return to Washington.
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[reporter 9] Behind the casket
is Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy.
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They are helping her down.
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Now, new President,
Lyndon Baines Johnson.
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We have suffered a loss
that cannot be weighed.
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[reporter 10]
At Bethesda Naval Hospital,
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the autopsy team
has completed work.
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Now the body of the slain
President and his widow
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are at last brought home
to the White House.
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[reporter 11] Who do you think
would do something like this?
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Probably some segregationist
crackpot or something.
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Just...
They had it all planned out.
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I really believe that his blood
will be on their hands.
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[reporter 12]
Here is the suspect.
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Can we roll it please?
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[Lee Harvey Oswald]
People have given me a hearing
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without legal representation
or anything.
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-Did you shoot the President?
-I didn't shoot anybody.
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I emphatically
deny these charges.
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[reporter 13] This is
24-year-old Lee H. Oswald.
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He answers the description
of a young man
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sighted at the
Book Depository Building.
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[reporter 14] Police chased
Oswald into a movie theater.
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Police said he fired at them,
killing Patrolman J.D. Tippit.
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A rifle was found in a building
where he worked.
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[reporter 15] Police refused
to say whether they have
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any fingerprints
from that weapon as yet.
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The man obviously was an
excellent shot or very lucky,
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in that witnesses
said three shots were fired,
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at least two of them
found their marks.
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[reporter 16]
At the Capitol Rotunda,
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there will be
three short speeches
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before the public is allowed
to start viewing the body.
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Chief, do you have any concern
for the safety of your prisoner?
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[officer]
No, but because necessary
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precautions
will be taken, of course.
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[reporter 17] Is there
any doubt in your mind, Chief,
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that Oswald is the man
who killed the President?
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[officer] I think this is the
man who killed the President.
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I'm just a patsy.
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[reporter 18] So great is
the crush outside the Capitol,
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that people who have not
been in line can't possibly.
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We are now switching to Dallas
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where they are about to move
Lee Oswald and whether--
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[gunshot]
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[reporter 19] He's been shot.
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[indistinct]
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[reporter 20]
There's a man with a gun.
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[Cronkite]
Lee Harvey Oswald,
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the man who Dallas police say
killed President Kennedy,
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himself is dead.
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The man Dallas police
seized at the scene,
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and are holding, has been
identified as Jack Ruby.
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He is being held by the Dallas
police. Now, back to Washington.
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[reporter 21]
Fifty-three countries
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are represented in all today.
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There are a dozen members
of ruling royal families,
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30 foreign ministers.
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[reporter 22]
Things should be all right
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in the few months ahead.
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[Dwight D. Eisenhower]
I'm sure the, uh,
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entire citizenry of the nation
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will stand faithfully
behind the government.
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This bizarre sequence of double
killings raise great questions.
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Who actually fired the shots
that killed Kennedy?
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Was there a conspiracy?
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The first wound described is
a wound in the back of the head
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and would seem to indicate
a shot from behind.
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But the doctors
also said there was
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a wound in the throat
at the front,
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which seemed to indicate a shot
from the other direction.
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[Cronkite] The new President,
Lyndon Johnson,
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appointed a commission
of seven prominent Americans
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to investigate
the whole affair.
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Earl Warren, Chief Justice
of the United States.
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Richard B. Russell,
senator from Georgia.
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John Sherman Cooper,
senator from Kentucky.
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Hale Boggs, representative
from Louisiana
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Gerald R. Ford,
representative from Michigan.
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John J. McCloy,
presidential adviser.
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Allen W. Dulles,
ex-head of the CIA.
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- Are you convinced
that he was shot from
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the School Book Depository?
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Well, I think we better leave
all that, you know.
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The evidence report
will cover all-- all of that.
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[reporter 23]
The Warren Commission
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makes these major findings.
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Lee Harvey Oswald
assassinated President Kennedy.
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He did it alone.
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He was not a part
of any conspiracy,
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either domestic or foreign.
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[reporter 24]
Some other details
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will be of interest
mainly to historians
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and others having
some special interest.
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[reporter 25] But there was one
further piece of evidence
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that the public cannot see.
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Abraham Zapruder's film
of the actual assassination.
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This murder now
is the most thoroughly
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documented crime
in American history.
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And for those
who care to pursue it
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down to the last detail,
it's all there.
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[Oliver Stone]
This is Dealey Plaza.
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To this day,
it remains a crime scene.
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In the years
since the Warren Report,
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many significant
re-investigations were made
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into the murder
of President Kennedy.
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Each one revealed
new facts and evidence
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that shed more light on what
really happened here that day.
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Starting in 1975,
after the Watergate scandal,
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Senator Frank Church
conducted an investigation
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into the abuses
and crimes of the FBI and CIA.
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During that time, the public
learned of the CIA plots
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to assassinate foreign leaders
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like Patrice Lumumba
of the Republic of Congo
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and Fidel Castro of Cuba.
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Plots orchestrated
under Director Allen Dulles.
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But the Church committee
didn't stop there.
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Senators Richard Schweiker
and Gary Hart
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were tasked to reexamine
the roles of the CIA and FBI
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as the chief investigators
for the Warren Commission,
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and look for signs
of conflicts or cover-ups.
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J. Edgar Hoover writes,
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"Yes, we did have
a relationship with Mr. Ruby
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and he acted as our informant."
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Now, who said that at the time
of the Warren Commission report?
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Did anybody ever imply
that-- that Jack Ruby
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was a confidential informant
for the FBI?
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Nobody breathed that.
That was classified.
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[Stone] Faith in what
the American public was told
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by the Warren Commission
was starting to unravel.
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The intelligence agencies
did all the wrong things
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if they really
were looking for conspiracy
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or to find out
who killed John Kennedy.
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[Stone] The search for real
answers gained momentum.
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Then, 12 years
after the assassination,
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the most iconic piece
of evidence was leaked
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and finally
shown to the public.
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It's the film shot by the Dallas
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dress manufacturer,
Abraham Zapruder.
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And it's the execution
of President Kennedy,
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and, uh, Bob and Dick,
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would you please narrate
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what we're seeing
as we show this film?
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[Robert Groden] Now, before
he goes behind the sign,
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the President
is waving to the crowd.
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When he comes out from
behind the sign, he is shot.
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Then Governor Connally is shot.
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[Geraldo Rivera]
He's already been hit.
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[Groden]
He's already been hit.
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[Rivera] And now?
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[Groden] At the bottom of
the screen, the head shot.
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[Rivera] That's the shot
that blew off his head.
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That's the most upsetting thing
I've ever seen.
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We'll talk about it in a minute.
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[Stone]
Seeing the shock and brutality
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of the actual assassination
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caused a public outcry.
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The government formed
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the House Select Committee
on Assassinations, the HSCA.
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The committee
will come to order.
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[Stone] The HSCA
re-interviewed witnesses
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and took new testimonies
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that exposed
massive inconsistencies
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with the original
Warren Report.
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Has any other scientist to date
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linked the so-called pristine
bullet to the injuries?
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Not that I'm aware of. No.
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The Pentagon has destroyed
its Kennedy assassination file,
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and we don't know
why that was done.
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[Stone] But at
the end of that investigation,
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what the HSCA
learned was considered
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too damaging to be made public.
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And close to
a half-million records
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were to remain
sealed until 2029,
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a fact that we made clear
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at the conclusion
to our 1991 film, JFK.
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The media controversy
that accompanied
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the film forced Congress
to do something about
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the secrecy that still surrounded
these classified files.
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Hearings were held
on Capitol Hill.
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Most Americans did not
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believe or support the verdict
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of the Warren Commission
initially.
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And now more than three in four,
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according to all recent
samplings of public opinion,
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think some conspiracy
was involved.
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And in 1992,
the John F. Kennedy
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Records Collection Act
was passed.
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Clerk will report the title.
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Senate 3006, an act to provide
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for the expeditious
disclosure of records
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relevant to the assassination
of President John F. Kennedy.
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[Stone]
This act provided funding
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and formed the Assassination
Records Review Board,
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The public wasn't going
to have to wait until 2029.
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Declassification
was to begin now.
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The board was given a budget
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and timeline
of four years to declassify
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and make public
as many documents
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and records as possible.
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They managed to collect
over two million pages
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of declassified records
and artifacts.
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They are all housed at the
National Archives in Maryland,
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and since then,
the public has been free
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to view, study,
and investigate.
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There is now so much more
that we know,
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and with those facts in hand,
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we will go back
and piece together
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what really happened that day,
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and discover the reasons why.
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Let's begin.
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[reporter]
Something has happened
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in the motorcade.
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Standby, please.
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[Whoopi Goldberg]
The JFK case
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was such a mass of confusion.
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For example,
the Warren Commission
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was limited
to only three shots,
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because three shells
were found on the sixth floor
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of the School Book Depository.
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[J. Edgar Hoover]
On that floor,
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we found the three empty
shells that had been fired,
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but they had
characteristics on them
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so that our ballistics expert
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was able to prove that
they were fired by this gun.
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[Lyndon Johnson]
Any of them fired at me?
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[Hoover]
No, there was never any...
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[Johnson]
All three at the President?
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[Hoover]
All three at the President,
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and we have them.
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[Goldberg]
The FBI concluded that
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all three bullets
struck inside the car.
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[Hoover] He was hit
by the first and the third.
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The second shot
hit the governor.
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The third shot
tore a large part
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of the President's head off.
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The Warren Commission
put itself in a straitjacket.
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They could not possibly allow
more than three shots,
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because four shots or more
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would have clearly
indicated conspiracy.
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And they were not going there.
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[James Tague speaking]
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[Goldberg]
Records show the first shot
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had missed
its target completely,
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and the final shot
hit Kennedy in the head.
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So, how does one account for
one bullet hitting two victims,
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and doing all this damage?
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Arten Specter was
a Yale Law School graduate
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working in the Philadelphia
district attorney's office,
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when he was asked to serve
on the Warren Commission.
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Aha! What if one bullet
made all seven wounds?
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Arten Specter, he is the one
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that gave birth to
the single-bullet theory.
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What if one bullet went into
Kennedy's back
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and came out his neck,
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and then went into Connally's
back, piercing the lung,
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destroying four inches
of the right fifth rib,
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exiting from
the front of his chest,
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going into
the back of the wrist,
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shattering the distal end
of the radius.
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In a 6-foot-4 guy like Connally,
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that's a big heavy bone
comminuted fracture.
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Exits from
the front of the wrist,
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goes into his left thigh.
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Whatever you want,
whatever you need,
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this bullet happily
and readily obliges you.
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It is indeed a magic bullet.
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CE-399 was the magic bullet,
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and all government
investigations so far
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have treated that bullet
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as absolutely
foundational to this case.
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How important
is chain of custody
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in a legal proceeding?
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Chain of custody
basically refers to
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the integrity of evidence.
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If I, uh, pick up
a piece of evidence
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and I transfer it
to somebody else
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for holding or processing,
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my name is the first name
on this list.
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The second person
who touches this
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and takes possession
of it is next.
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And if you don't do that,
there's no way to prove
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that the evidence
you collected on day one
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is the same one you get on
day 25 when you go to court.
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00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:06,735
Can you walk us through
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the magic bullet's
chain of custody
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from the Parkland employees to
the Secret Service to the FBI?
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Well, the magic bullet was
supposedly found on a stretcher
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at Parkland Hospital,
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and went through several hands
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before it got
to the Secret Service.
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Richard Johnsen was the first
Secret Service agent
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to handle it, and he carried it
back to Washington, D.C.
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When he got back
to Washington, D. C.,
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he gave it to the chief of
the Secret Service,
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who was James Rowley.
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And at the White House,
James Rowley
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gave it to Elmer Lee Todd,
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and Todd then took it
to the FBI lab
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and gave it to Robert Frazier.
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We have interesting information
produced by John Hunt,
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a private citizen
who went to the archives
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on four or five occasions
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00:17:58,286 --> 00:18:02,332
to track down the story
about the magic bullet,
399
00:18:02,332 --> 00:18:04,793
and what he found
was truly astounding.
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00:18:04,793 --> 00:18:07,128
He practically moved into
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the National Archives
in Washington, D.C.
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00:18:09,631 --> 00:18:11,800
They allowed him
to set up a desk
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with a computer
and his own scanner-.
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00:18:15,053 --> 00:18:18,473
And he also, uh,
did something different.
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He didn't interview policemen
and FBI people,
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00:18:21,851 --> 00:18:24,646
and he wasn't
swayed by their excuses.
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00:18:24,646 --> 00:18:26,398
He went straight to,
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"This is what you told
and you sighed your name."
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[Goldberg]
Working with the FBI
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and Warren Commission
documents,
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00:18:33,989 --> 00:18:36,992
John Hunt asked
the most basic question.
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"Was CE-399 in evidence
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the same bullet that was found
on the stretcher?"”
414
00:18:44,583 --> 00:18:46,918
At 7:30 at night,
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this is the day
of the assassination,
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November 22nd, 1963,
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a bullet appears in the record,
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and it's signed for
by Robert Frazier,
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who is the main investigator
at the FBI lab.
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And it's not just one document.
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There are multiple documents
that indicate
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that Frazier signed for
a bullet at 7:30 that night.
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Now, here's where
things get interesting.
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Elmer Lee Todd received
the bullet at the White House
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from chief of the Secret
Service, James Rowley.
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And Todd documents,
very clearly in writing,
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00:19:27,876 --> 00:19:32,505
that he got this bullet
at 8:50 p.m.
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How is that possible?
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How can Robert Frazier
receive the bullet
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in the lab at 7:30
from Elmer Lee Todd,
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when Todd didn't get
the bullet until 8:50?
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You would think that they would
have handled it, uh, you know,
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like it would have been gold
going to the bank.
434
00:19:49,648 --> 00:19:51,316
There it is in the record,
435
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someone is lying about
when they got the bullet.
436
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[David Mantik]
It gets worse, though.
437
00:19:55,904 --> 00:19:57,656
Todd initialed that bullet,
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the one that he got at 8:50,
439
00:20:01,910 --> 00:20:04,079
and everyone else
who touched the bullet
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after that initialed it too,
441
00:20:06,081 --> 00:20:07,457
including Robert Frazier.
442
00:20:07,457 --> 00:20:10,293
I went to the archives
to look at this bullet.
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00:20:10,293 --> 00:20:12,462
And specifically,
what we want to know is,
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do we see Todd's initials
on this bullet?
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He said he initialed the bullet.
446
00:20:17,967 --> 00:20:20,345
It is not there.
447
00:20:20,345 --> 00:20:23,181
Todd's initials are not
on the magic bullet.
448
00:20:25,225 --> 00:20:27,852
I was very interested in finding
out what the Review Board
449
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would show us about this.
450
00:20:29,437 --> 00:20:32,482
So, we began scouring
their evidence,
451
00:20:32,482 --> 00:20:34,693
and we found out
something very interesting.
452
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We found out
that the Warren Report
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had from an FBI report
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saying that the guys
that found the bullet
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later identified that
as the bullet they'd seen.
456
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The internal record
didn't show that at all.
457
00:20:44,202 --> 00:20:46,329
The internal records
said this bullet
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didn't look like
that bullet at all.
459
00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:50,500
But the FBI had reported to the
Warren Commission that it did.
460
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:51,292
They'd lied.
461
00:20:51,292 --> 00:20:53,294
We then talk to the FBI agent
462
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that was supposed to have
carried that bullet around.
463
00:20:55,255 --> 00:20:57,132
His name was Bar dwell Odum.
464
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I got Bar dwell Odum
on the phone.
465
00:20:58,925 --> 00:21:02,303
I sent him the documents that
said that he had done this.
466
00:21:02,303 --> 00:21:04,013
He said,
"I never had that bullet.
467
00:21:04,013 --> 00:21:05,682
I never showed any bullet
to anyone.
468
00:21:05,682 --> 00:21:07,350
"If I'd had the bullet,
there'd be a 302.
469
00:21:07,517 --> 00:21:09,644
"I would have filed a report,
particularly in that area.
470
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Everybody was very uptight
about getting everything right."
471
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So, we scoured for 302 reports.
472
00:21:14,065 --> 00:21:16,192
His name appears nowhere
in the record.
473
00:21:16,192 --> 00:21:18,153
This is just something
that the FBI invented.
474
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It's conceivable
that some mysterious bullet
475
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showed up from who knows where.
476
00:21:23,658 --> 00:21:25,160
Todd did not initial it,
477
00:21:25,326 --> 00:21:29,497
and it ended up in
the FBI lab as the magic bullet.
478
00:21:29,497 --> 00:21:32,625
One can only surmise
that, somewhere in the FBI,
479
00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:35,128
they realized they had to close
the loop on Oswald's guilt.
480
00:21:35,295 --> 00:21:37,172
And so they just
switched it out.
481
00:21:37,172 --> 00:21:40,049
Because none
of the four people,
482
00:21:40,049 --> 00:21:42,093
either the guys at Parkland,
483
00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:43,136
or the two
Secret Service agents,
484
00:21:43,136 --> 00:21:44,679
could identify the bullet.
485
00:21:44,679 --> 00:21:46,556
The guy who is supposed to have
gotten confirmation that
486
00:21:46,556 --> 00:21:49,976
they did identify the bullet
said he never did it.
487
00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:51,144
And the record supports that.
488
00:21:51,311 --> 00:21:53,521
So, there's--
there's good reason to be
489
00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:56,399
very suspicious
about the magic bullet.
490
00:21:56,399 --> 00:22:01,821
The chain of custody doesn't
start from the laboratory.
491
00:22:01,821 --> 00:22:04,449
It starts from the crime scene.
492
00:22:04,449 --> 00:22:07,035
Each piece of evidence
should be photographed,
493
00:22:07,035 --> 00:22:11,164
documented,
and preserved properly.
494
00:22:12,415 --> 00:22:14,209
From the scene,
495
00:22:14,209 --> 00:22:18,087
evidence is collected,
sent to the laboratory.
496
00:22:18,087 --> 00:22:20,882
We have to keep
the chain of custody
497
00:22:20,882 --> 00:22:22,133
when they enter the lab.
498
00:22:22,133 --> 00:22:23,468
Who examined?
499
00:22:24,803 --> 00:22:27,263
Who did the further analysis?
500
00:22:27,263 --> 00:22:31,017
And each step have to maintain
501
00:22:31,017 --> 00:22:33,770
until you submit to the court.
502
00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:35,063
If this chain broke,
503
00:22:36,439 --> 00:22:39,442
then my evidence
becomes inadmissible.
504
00:22:41,236 --> 00:22:43,029
[Goldberg]
The other problem
505
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:44,864
is the lack of damage
to the bullet
506
00:22:44,864 --> 00:22:48,743
after going through two men,
smashing two bones,
507
00:22:48,743 --> 00:22:50,620
and making seven wounds.
508
00:22:50,787 --> 00:22:52,664
Dr. Joseph Dolce
509
00:22:52,664 --> 00:22:56,668
was a much-honored battlefield
surgeon during World War II.
510
00:22:56,668 --> 00:22:58,837
He worked
for the Warren Commission.
511
00:22:59,003 --> 00:23:03,341
And so they gave us the original
rifle, the Mannlicher-Carcano,
512
00:23:03,341 --> 00:23:07,387
plus 100 bullets,
6.5 millimeters.
513
00:23:07,387 --> 00:23:10,765
And we went
and we shot the cadaver wrists,
514
00:23:10,765 --> 00:23:13,351
and in every instance,
515
00:23:13,351 --> 00:23:17,313
the front or the tip
of the bullet was smashed.
516
00:23:17,313 --> 00:23:19,065
Under no circumstances,
517
00:23:19,232 --> 00:23:21,776
do I feel that this bullet
could hit the wrist,
518
00:23:21,776 --> 00:23:23,403
and still not be deformed.
519
00:23:23,403 --> 00:23:25,113
[Goldberg]
Dolce came to believe
520
00:23:25,113 --> 00:23:28,032
that two bullets
had struck Connally.
521
00:23:28,032 --> 00:23:30,326
Since Arten Specter
pre-screened
522
00:23:30,326 --> 00:23:32,078
the medical witnesses
for the commission,
523
00:23:32,245 --> 00:23:35,123
Dolce"s name is not in
the Warren Report,
524
00:23:35,290 --> 00:23:38,418
and his testimony
is not in the volumes.
525
00:23:38,418 --> 00:23:40,670
And even Connally
refused to accept
526
00:23:40,837 --> 00:23:42,463
the single-bullet theory.
527
00:23:45,550 --> 00:23:47,719
[reporter] Former Senator
John Sherman Cooper
528
00:23:47,886 --> 00:23:49,929
is the first member
of the Warren Commission
529
00:23:49,929 --> 00:23:51,973
to agree to talk on television
530
00:23:51,973 --> 00:23:55,351
about what went on
inside the deliberations.
531
00:23:55,351 --> 00:23:57,312
Yes, there were disagreements.
532
00:23:57,312 --> 00:24:00,023
I think the most serious one
533
00:24:00,023 --> 00:24:03,651
that comes to me
the most vividly,
534
00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:07,155
of course, is the question
of whether or not the first shot
535
00:24:07,322 --> 00:24:09,157
went through President Kennedy
536
00:24:09,157 --> 00:24:11,701
and then through
Governor Connally.
537
00:24:11,701 --> 00:24:13,369
[Goldberg]
Although it never specified
538
00:24:13,369 --> 00:24:15,496
the order of the shots,
539
00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:18,458
the Warren Report
had one bullet
540
00:24:18,458 --> 00:24:21,002
going through Kennedy
and Governor Connally,
541
00:24:21,002 --> 00:24:22,587
another missing the car,
542
00:24:22,754 --> 00:24:26,382
hitting a bystander on
Commerce Street, James Tague,
543
00:24:26,382 --> 00:24:29,093
and the final shot
hitting Kennedy in the head.
544
00:24:30,178 --> 00:24:32,430
I could not convince myself
545
00:24:32,430 --> 00:24:35,850
that the same bullet
struck both of them, although...
546
00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:39,020
[reporter] You mean
that you yourself didn't--
547
00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:40,813
Weren't convinced about the
single-bullet theory, which...
548
00:24:40,813 --> 00:24:43,483
No, I wasn't convinced by it.
Neither was Senator Russell.
549
00:24:43,483 --> 00:24:45,610
[Goldberg] Senator
Richard Russell of Georgia
550
00:24:45,610 --> 00:24:48,404
did not want
to serve on the commission.
551
00:24:48,404 --> 00:24:50,490
After he attended
the first meeting,
552
00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:53,785
he quickly became disenchanted
with the proceedings.
553
00:24:53,785 --> 00:24:56,788
Particularly the roles
of J. Edgar Hoover
554
00:24:56,788 --> 00:25:00,625
and acting attorney general
Nicholas Katzenbach.
555
00:25:00,625 --> 00:25:03,836
His personal papers at the
University of Georgia Library
556
00:25:04,003 --> 00:25:05,588
contain a memo
557
00:25:05,588 --> 00:25:09,467
written after the initial
December 5th, 1963,
558
00:25:09,467 --> 00:25:11,469
executive session.
559
00:25:11,469 --> 00:25:13,930
"Something strange
is happening.
560
00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:17,141
"Warren and Katzenbach know
all about the FBI
561
00:25:17,141 --> 00:25:19,894
"and are apparently
planning to show Oswald
562
00:25:19,894 --> 00:25:22,271
"as the only one considered.
563
00:25:22,271 --> 00:25:26,109
This to me is
an untenable position.”
564
00:25:26,109 --> 00:25:29,153
His papers revealed that he
wrote a dissenting opinion
565
00:25:29,153 --> 00:25:31,447
for the presentation
at the final
566
00:25:31,447 --> 00:25:34,242
commission meeting
of September 18th.
567
00:25:34,242 --> 00:25:36,953
On that day,
he shared his concerns
568
00:25:36,953 --> 00:25:38,413
with President Johnson.
569
00:26:17,368 --> 00:26:21,164
[Goldberg] He also thought
that Oswald did not act alone.
570
00:26:21,164 --> 00:26:23,958
Russell was strongly influenced
by the Zapruder film
571
00:26:24,125 --> 00:26:26,961
and by the testimony
of Governor Connally.
572
00:26:26,961 --> 00:26:28,755
I understand there's some, uh,
573
00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:31,132
some question
in the minds of the experts
574
00:26:31,299 --> 00:26:33,342
about, uh, whether or not
575
00:26:33,342 --> 00:26:35,845
we could both have been hit
by the same bullet,
576
00:26:35,845 --> 00:26:37,472
and that was the first bullet.
577
00:26:37,472 --> 00:26:39,932
Uh, I just don't happen
to believe that.
578
00:26:40,099 --> 00:26:42,226
I don't believe
that I will believe it.
579
00:26:42,226 --> 00:26:44,103
[Goldberg] This forced
the other commissioners
580
00:26:44,103 --> 00:26:46,773
to include Connally's dissent
in the report.
581
00:26:46,773 --> 00:26:50,109
And as a result,
they could not absolutely deny
582
00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:53,738
the possibility
of a conspiracy.
583
00:26:53,738 --> 00:26:55,531
Russell became
the first commissioner
584
00:26:55,698 --> 00:26:58,743
to criticize
the Warren Report in public.
585
00:26:58,743 --> 00:27:00,578
He was followed
by commission members
586
00:27:00,578 --> 00:27:04,957
John Sherman Cooper
and Hale Boggs.
587
00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:08,461
But then Walter Cronkite
interviewed John McCloy
588
00:27:08,461 --> 00:27:12,215
during a four-night special,
co-hosted by Dan Rather.
589
00:27:12,381 --> 00:27:15,259
Are you satisfied
that as much effort
590
00:27:15,259 --> 00:27:19,639
was put into challenging that
case as into establishing it?
591
00:27:19,806 --> 00:27:21,057
I'll answer
that in just a moment.
592
00:27:21,057 --> 00:27:22,850
If I may just say one thing,
I would--
593
00:27:23,017 --> 00:27:24,143
I'd like to say
in the first place,
594
00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:25,770
I had some questions
595
00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:27,814
as to the propriety
of my appearing here
596
00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:30,149
as a former member
of the commission
597
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:32,443
to comment on
the evidence of the commission.
598
00:27:32,443 --> 00:27:35,738
[Goldberg] McCloy never
answered Cronkite's question.
599
00:27:35,947 --> 00:27:39,033
But even worse,
CBS employee Roger Feinman
600
00:27:39,242 --> 00:27:41,661
later discovered
internal documents
601
00:27:41,661 --> 00:27:43,830
showing McCoy
consulted extensively
602
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:46,249
on the series
through his daughter, Ellen,
603
00:27:46,415 --> 00:27:51,003
an administrative assistant to
CBS President Richard Salant.
604
00:27:51,170 --> 00:27:54,757
In 1992,
reporter Jerry Policoff
605
00:27:54,757 --> 00:27:57,677
confronted Salant
and Ellen McCoy
606
00:27:57,677 --> 00:28:01,139
with the documents revealing
John McCloy's instructions
607
00:28:01,139 --> 00:28:03,349
for the content of the show.
608
00:28:03,516 --> 00:28:07,353
Only then did Salant
admit to their concealment.
609
00:28:07,353 --> 00:28:10,231
CBS, NBC,
and The New York Times
610
00:28:10,231 --> 00:28:12,984
continued to support
the commission's finding
611
00:28:12,984 --> 00:28:14,694
and never publicly reviewed
612
00:28:14,861 --> 00:28:19,365
the 26 volumes
of supplemental evidence.
613
00:28:19,365 --> 00:28:22,118
Mr. Dulles, let me put some
of the criticisms to you.
614
00:28:22,118 --> 00:28:23,411
Surely.
615
00:28:23,411 --> 00:28:25,329
Some of the papers
and some of the documents
616
00:28:25,329 --> 00:28:27,832
that are in the archives
are-- are there
617
00:28:27,832 --> 00:28:31,460
but are withheld from public
view by the FBI, the CIA,
618
00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:34,172
an organization with which
you have some experience.
619
00:28:34,172 --> 00:28:36,924
Is there anything in those
which years from now
620
00:28:36,924 --> 00:28:39,135
when they may be released
will upset applecarts?
621
00:28:39,135 --> 00:28:40,636
Oh, no, I don't think so.
622
00:28:40,636 --> 00:28:43,723
No, I think everything
that really is-- is vital
623
00:28:43,723 --> 00:28:45,766
insofar as forming
a judgment as to what
624
00:28:45,766 --> 00:28:48,477
really happened
has been made available.
625
00:28:51,355 --> 00:28:53,191
[Goldberg]
The Warren Commission was aware
626
00:28:53,191 --> 00:28:55,943
of something else that was wrong
with their evidence.
627
00:28:55,943 --> 00:28:59,155
All kinds of ballistic tests
show that the bullets, in fact,
628
00:28:59,155 --> 00:29:01,574
came from that rifle.
That was his rifle.
629
00:29:01,741 --> 00:29:03,576
You took
a picture of him with it.
630
00:29:03,743 --> 00:29:05,494
-No, no.
-His home prints and fingerprints
631
00:29:05,494 --> 00:29:07,580
are all over
the School Book Depository.
632
00:29:07,747 --> 00:29:09,373
[Marina Porter]
You have been misinformed.
633
00:29:09,373 --> 00:29:14,003
The ballistics tests
did not prove anything at all.
634
00:29:14,003 --> 00:29:16,214
[reporter] This is
the weapon that was used.
635
00:29:16,214 --> 00:29:19,842
A rather well-worn
military rifle.
636
00:29:19,842 --> 00:29:24,430
We know that Oswald
had possession of that rifle
637
00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:26,265
because we have him
photographed with it.
638
00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:30,102
And we have his wife
saying that it was, quote,
639
00:29:30,102 --> 00:29:32,396
"Faithful rifle of Lee Oswald.”
640
00:29:33,898 --> 00:29:35,983
[Stone]
Is the rifle in evidence today
641
00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:37,777
the same rifle
the commission said
642
00:29:37,777 --> 00:29:39,779
Oswald ordered
through the mail?
643
00:29:39,779 --> 00:29:41,822
The rifle that Lee Oswald
644
00:29:41,822 --> 00:29:45,618
allegedly ordered under
an alias of Alex Hidell,
645
00:29:45,618 --> 00:29:48,037
was obtained through Klein's
Sporting Goods store in Chicago.
646
00:29:48,037 --> 00:29:51,916
It was a mail-order, got it out
of American Rifleman magazine.
647
00:29:51,916 --> 00:29:54,252
He wrote on the coupon
he wanted
648
00:29:54,252 --> 00:29:56,379
a 36-inch model,
Mannlicher-Carcano,
649
00:29:56,545 --> 00:30:00,841
6.5 millimeter, for $19.95.
650
00:30:00,841 --> 00:30:03,135
Robert Frazier
was one of the examiners
651
00:30:03,135 --> 00:30:05,346
and he was
a firearms expert for the FBI.
652
00:30:05,346 --> 00:30:07,640
And he testified
that he did measure it,
653
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,641
and the measurement
654
00:30:08,641 --> 00:30:10,810
was 40.2 inches in length,
655
00:30:10,810 --> 00:30:12,478
from barrel to stock.
656
00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:14,814
There's a 4.2-inch difference
in the one he ordered,
657
00:30:14,814 --> 00:30:17,984
versus what they found
in the Book Depository.
658
00:30:17,984 --> 00:30:20,611
[Goldberg] Klein's
may have indeed delivered
659
00:30:20,611 --> 00:30:24,031
a different Mannlicher-Carcano
model to Oswald,
660
00:30:24,031 --> 00:30:27,159
but there are other
anomalies to the story.
661
00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:29,370
The model that Oswald ordered
662
00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:31,831
showed these
strap attachment points
663
00:30:31,831 --> 00:30:34,208
on the bottom
of the barrel and stock.
664
00:30:34,375 --> 00:30:36,627
[Brian Edwards]
In the photograph is Lieutenant Carl Day,
665
00:30:36,627 --> 00:30:38,045
with the Dallas Police
Department
666
00:30:38,045 --> 00:30:40,423
bringing a rifle out
of the Book Depository.
667
00:30:40,589 --> 00:30:43,801
One of the straps at the back
of the gun is on the left side
668
00:30:43,968 --> 00:30:47,013
of the stock
embedded in the stock.
669
00:30:47,013 --> 00:30:49,015
That's clearly not the rifle
that was ordered,
670
00:30:49,015 --> 00:30:52,018
or at least appears in the
Klein' Sporting Goods store.
671
00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:55,229
[Goldberg] The straps shown in
the so-called backyard photos
672
00:30:55,229 --> 00:30:59,400
are on the bottom and
not on the side of the stock.
673
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,696
Marina Oswald took backyard
photographs of Lee Oswald
674
00:31:03,696 --> 00:31:06,907
holding a rifle
and a pistol on his hip.
675
00:31:06,907 --> 00:31:10,494
And in that first photograph,
that she took three of,
676
00:31:10,494 --> 00:31:16,125
Commission Exhibit
133A and 133B
677
00:31:16,125 --> 00:31:21,172
show a ring on the ring finger
of the right hand.
678
00:31:21,172 --> 00:31:25,718
133C, the ring appears
on the left hand.
679
00:31:25,718 --> 00:31:28,304
In fact, the Dallas Police
showed Lee Oswald
680
00:31:28,304 --> 00:31:30,723
one of the pictures
while he was still in custody.
681
00:31:30,723 --> 00:31:32,516
He said, "That's my face,
but I don't remember
682
00:31:32,516 --> 00:31:35,561
ever having that
picture taken of me."
683
00:31:35,561 --> 00:31:37,855
[Goldberg] But after
all these questions are asked,
684
00:31:37,855 --> 00:31:40,232
the underlying mystery remains.
685
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:44,570
Why would anyone use a rifle
in an assassination,
686
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:46,655
knowing there was a paper trail
687
00:31:46,655 --> 00:31:50,076
that would lead
right back to them?
688
00:31:50,076 --> 00:31:53,079
Was there a palm print
found on the rifle?
689
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:57,583
The foremost fingerprint expert
the FBI had, Sebastian La ton a,
690
00:31:57,583 --> 00:32:01,253
took that rifle and attempted
to lift prints off of the rifle,
691
00:32:01,253 --> 00:32:03,172
the stock and/or the barrel.
692
00:32:03,172 --> 00:32:04,924
Uh, he testified
to the Warren Commission
693
00:32:04,924 --> 00:32:07,760
that he found no usable prints
694
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,555
anywhere on that rifle,
on the metal or the stock.
695
00:32:11,722 --> 00:32:14,642
But yet,
Lieutenant Day in Dallas
696
00:32:14,642 --> 00:32:17,603
before the rifle went
to Washington, said he found
697
00:32:17,603 --> 00:32:20,356
a partial palm print on the
trigger guard on the left side
698
00:32:20,356 --> 00:32:24,110
and a partial print underneath
the stock on the barrel.
699
00:32:24,276 --> 00:32:26,570
But Sebastian La ton a
said there was no evidence
700
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:27,947
that a lift had
even been attempted.
701
00:32:27,947 --> 00:32:29,782
[Stone]
No partials at all?
702
00:32:29,782 --> 00:32:31,242
Nothing that he could
use in court.
703
00:32:31,242 --> 00:32:33,744
There has to be eight points
of identification.
704
00:32:33,911 --> 00:32:36,747
He found nothing
that would match that.
705
00:32:36,956 --> 00:32:39,208
[woman on recorder]
J. Edgar Hoover, on 2192.
706
00:32:40,376 --> 00:32:43,212
[Hoover]
Yes, I've seen the reports
707
00:32:43,421 --> 00:32:45,214
on this investigation.
708
00:32:45,214 --> 00:32:48,551
This man, Oswald,
he had fired three shots.
709
00:32:48,551 --> 00:32:50,719
He then threw the gun aside,
710
00:32:50,719 --> 00:32:56,976
and, uh, he apparently had come
down the five flights of steps.
711
00:32:57,143 --> 00:32:59,770
A stairway
from the fifth floor.
712
00:32:59,770 --> 00:33:01,480
[Johnson]
You can prove that?
713
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,816
[Hoover] OA, yes.
Oh, yes, we can prove that.
714
00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:06,610
[Johnson] Did anybody hear,
anybody see him?
715
00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:09,613
[Hoover] Most of the employees
were down on a lower floor, but
716
00:33:09,613 --> 00:33:13,409
he was stopped at the second
floor by a police officer.
717
00:33:13,409 --> 00:33:16,454
And some workers,
some manager in the building
718
00:33:16,454 --> 00:33:18,414
told the police officer, ""Well,
he's all right, he works here.
719
00:33:18,581 --> 00:33:20,082
You needn't hold him."”
720
00:33:20,082 --> 00:33:22,585
So they let him go.
That's how he got out.
721
00:33:22,585 --> 00:33:24,670
[Marrion Baker] At the time
that I heard those shots,
722
00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:28,549
I ran into that building and
made it up to the second floor.
723
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:32,052
It was approximately a minute
and a half to two minutes.
724
00:33:32,052 --> 00:33:34,472
[Cronkite] In possibly
less than two minutes,
725
00:33:34,472 --> 00:33:37,057
investigators came
to the School Book Building
726
00:33:37,224 --> 00:33:39,602
with stopwatches
and critical eyes.
727
00:33:39,602 --> 00:33:42,480
Not only police and government
agents traced that route,
728
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,815
Chief Justice Warren and some
other commission members
729
00:33:44,815 --> 00:33:46,150
did it for themselves.
730
00:33:47,776 --> 00:33:50,070
I was interested in finding
731
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:52,573
a specific witness
to the assassination,
732
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:54,783
which was Victoria Adams.
733
00:33:56,410 --> 00:33:58,120
She worked on the fourth floor
734
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,414
of the Texas School
Book Depository,
735
00:34:00,581 --> 00:34:02,917
and she knew Oswald.
736
00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:05,127
I went to the National Archives
737
00:34:05,127 --> 00:34:09,548
searching for
her original testimony.
738
00:34:09,548 --> 00:34:11,133
I was told that the tape
739
00:34:11,133 --> 00:34:14,261
containing her
testimony was missing.
740
00:34:14,261 --> 00:34:16,555
And later I learned
that that tape
741
00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:19,975
had been destroyed
by the Warren Commission.
742
00:34:19,975 --> 00:34:21,894
And so I finally
ended up finding her
743
00:34:22,061 --> 00:34:25,314
and getting
her side of the story.
744
00:34:25,314 --> 00:34:28,943
Vicki Adams was 22 at
the time of the assassination,
745
00:34:28,943 --> 00:34:30,694
and she testified
that immediately
746
00:34:30,694 --> 00:34:33,739
after the assassination,
747
00:34:33,739 --> 00:34:35,699
she ran down the back stairs
748
00:34:35,866 --> 00:34:37,868
to get outside
to see what was going on.
749
00:34:38,744 --> 00:34:40,371
If that were true,
750
00:34:40,371 --> 00:34:44,416
she would have seen Oswald
on the back stairs.
751
00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:47,044
But she testified that she saw
and heard no one.
752
00:34:48,504 --> 00:34:50,923
She had realized
that something was wrong,
753
00:34:51,090 --> 00:34:52,967
because no one
was believing her.
754
00:34:52,967 --> 00:34:56,554
So she asked David Belin,
who was questioning her,
755
00:34:56,554 --> 00:34:58,556
"Interview Sandra Styles,
756
00:34:58,556 --> 00:35:02,059
a coworker who went
down the stairs with me."”
757
00:35:02,059 --> 00:35:04,520
This became
a rather serious problem
758
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,188
for the Warren Commission,
759
00:35:06,355 --> 00:35:11,819
because discrediting one woman
was easy to do.
760
00:35:11,819 --> 00:35:14,989
But discrediting
a corroborating witness,
761
00:35:14,989 --> 00:35:17,199
that may have been
a little bit tougher.
762
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:21,161
So Belin said,
"We don't need Sandra Styles,
763
00:35:21,161 --> 00:35:22,079
we have you."
764
00:35:23,122 --> 00:35:24,415
[man]
We've had Mr. Belin here
765
00:35:24,415 --> 00:35:26,041
with us too,
one of our counselors
766
00:35:26,041 --> 00:35:28,002
who's been here
several times, and...
767
00:35:28,002 --> 00:35:31,589
He knows this city now
as very few people do.
768
00:35:31,797 --> 00:35:33,799
[Barry Ernest]
According to Vicki's original
769
00:35:34,008 --> 00:35:38,053
FBI testimony she left the
window on the fourth floor
770
00:35:38,262 --> 00:35:41,599
within 15 to 30 seconds
of the assassination.
771
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:45,144
The Warren Commission elevated
that time to one minute.
772
00:35:45,144 --> 00:35:47,813
She said she arrived
on the first floor
773
00:35:47,813 --> 00:35:50,357
within 60 seconds
of the assassination.
774
00:35:50,524 --> 00:35:54,820
The Warren Commission elevated
that time to several minutes.
775
00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:56,947
So what
the Warren Commission did
776
00:35:57,114 --> 00:35:59,658
was successfully
deceive the public
777
00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:03,454
into thinking that Vicki was
just another confused witness.
778
00:36:03,454 --> 00:36:04,788
Case closed.
779
00:36:04,788 --> 00:36:06,081
Reenactments prove,
780
00:36:06,248 --> 00:36:08,709
the report says,
that Oswald did have time,
781
00:36:08,709 --> 00:36:11,879
just enough time to fire
the shots, secret the rifle,
782
00:36:12,046 --> 00:36:14,214
and get down to the second floor
cafeteria.
783
00:36:16,258 --> 00:36:22,097
But in 1999, I found a document
in the National Archives
784
00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:25,851
that had been suppressed
for 35 years.
785
00:36:25,851 --> 00:36:28,437
It was a letter written
786
00:36:28,437 --> 00:36:32,274
by Assistant US Attorney
Martha Jo Stroud.
787
00:36:32,274 --> 00:36:35,277
It was a transmittal letter
forwarding
788
00:36:35,444 --> 00:36:38,572
Vicki's signed testimony
to J. Lee Rankin,
789
00:36:38,572 --> 00:36:40,949
the head honcho
of the Warren Commission's
790
00:36:40,949 --> 00:36:43,494
investigation at that point.
791
00:36:43,494 --> 00:36:45,913
In the last paragraph
of that letter,
792
00:36:45,913 --> 00:36:47,790
almost as an afterthought,
793
00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:52,044
we're introduced to a woman
by the name of Dorothy Garner.
794
00:36:52,211 --> 00:36:56,048
Garner was Vicki's
immediate supervisor
795
00:36:56,215 --> 00:36:59,301
who had stood
at the window with Vicki.
796
00:36:59,301 --> 00:37:02,888
The letter quotes Garner
as saying that she saw
797
00:37:02,888 --> 00:37:04,556
Vicki go down the stairs
798
00:37:04,723 --> 00:37:10,646
before she saw Officer Baker
and Roy Truly come up.
799
00:37:10,646 --> 00:37:13,941
When I found and interviewed
Dorothy Garner,
800
00:37:13,941 --> 00:37:15,734
she confirmed everything.
801
00:37:15,901 --> 00:37:18,529
She said that she had been
at the window with Vicki,
802
00:37:18,696 --> 00:37:22,366
that Vicki had left
the window immediately,
803
00:37:22,533 --> 00:37:26,620
that she actually followed
Vicki outside the office
804
00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:30,457
and to a point where she could
see her going down the stairs.
805
00:37:30,457 --> 00:37:33,877
And during that whole time,
she never saw Oswald.
806
00:37:33,877 --> 00:37:37,548
So the Stroud letter became
a very dangerous document
807
00:37:37,756 --> 00:37:38,882
for the Warren Commission.
808
00:37:40,259 --> 00:37:42,386
[Goldberg]
Without the Review Board's
809
00:37:42,594 --> 00:37:43,887
declassification process,
810
00:37:43,887 --> 00:37:47,599
we would never have learned
of the corroborating testimony
811
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:51,478
of three witnesses
that provide powerful evidence
812
00:37:51,478 --> 00:37:53,939
that Oswald was not
on the sixth floor
813
00:37:53,939 --> 00:37:56,275
at the time of the shooting.
814
00:38:07,870 --> 00:38:12,249
Legally speaking, the autopsy
should have been done in Dallas,
815
00:38:12,249 --> 00:38:15,210
and there was a forensic
pathologist, Earl Rose.
816
00:38:15,377 --> 00:38:17,713
He was there
to assume jurisdiction
817
00:38:17,713 --> 00:38:20,090
and to do the autopsy.
818
00:38:20,090 --> 00:38:22,050
He was pushed
up against the wall
819
00:38:22,050 --> 00:38:24,219
and threatened,
hands on guns,
820
00:38:24,386 --> 00:38:26,263
a lot of expletives and so on.
821
00:38:26,263 --> 00:38:28,056
He followed them
out of the driveway,
822
00:38:28,223 --> 00:38:31,518
and they took the body
illegally out of Dallas
823
00:38:31,518 --> 00:38:34,021
in violation of the laws
in the state of Texas.
824
00:38:35,439 --> 00:38:37,024
[Goldberg]
After Air Force One
825
00:38:37,024 --> 00:38:38,734
left Dallas for Washington,
826
00:38:38,734 --> 00:38:42,029
two of the key doctors who had
tried to save Kennedy's life
827
00:38:42,196 --> 00:38:45,365
at Parkland Hospital,
held a press conference.
828
00:38:45,365 --> 00:38:49,286
They were Dr. Malcolm Perry
and Dr. Kemp Clark.
829
00:38:49,286 --> 00:38:51,663
When were the two
major points of evidence
830
00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:53,123
revealed by Kemp Clark
and Malcolm Perry
831
00:38:53,123 --> 00:38:55,083
at the press conference?
832
00:38:55,083 --> 00:38:57,002
Dr. Perry performed
the tracheotomy
833
00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:59,421
to help Kennedy breathe,
834
00:38:59,421 --> 00:39:01,507
and at a press conference
right after
835
00:39:01,673 --> 00:39:04,510
the failed resuscitation
efforts in Dallas,
836
00:39:04,676 --> 00:39:06,386
he was asked,
"Well, where was the bullet?”
837
00:39:06,386 --> 00:39:08,263
He said, "The bullet looked like
it was coming at him.
838
00:39:08,263 --> 00:39:09,973
He had an entrance wound
in the throat."”
839
00:39:10,933 --> 00:39:12,351
[Douglas Horne]
Kemp Clarke
840
00:39:12,351 --> 00:39:13,769
was the head
of neurosurgery at Parkland.
841
00:39:13,769 --> 00:39:16,897
He said that the President
had a gaping wound
842
00:39:16,897 --> 00:39:18,524
in the occipital-parietal area.
843
00:39:18,524 --> 00:39:21,151
That's, you know,
the right rear of the head.
844
00:39:21,151 --> 00:39:23,153
And so the description
he gave of that
845
00:39:23,153 --> 00:39:26,114
was entirely consistent
with an exit wound.
846
00:39:26,114 --> 00:39:27,282
We have a transcript today
847
00:39:27,449 --> 00:39:29,243
of what they said
at the press conference.
848
00:39:29,243 --> 00:39:32,079
So it's White House transcript
1327C.
849
00:39:32,246 --> 00:39:33,914
That's a very important
historical document,
850
00:39:33,914 --> 00:39:37,000
because the Secret Service
confiscated the videotapes
851
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,836
from the local TV stations.
852
00:39:38,836 --> 00:39:42,756
[Goldberg] There is, however,
a surviving clip of Dr. Perry
853
00:39:42,756 --> 00:39:45,634
recorded not long
after the press conference.
854
00:39:59,064 --> 00:40:01,692
[Goldberg] What Clark and Perry
both revealed that day
855
00:40:01,859 --> 00:40:05,487
would indicate
an assassin from the front.
856
00:40:05,654 --> 00:40:07,656
And Assistant
White House Press Secretary
857
00:40:07,823 --> 00:40:10,200
Malcolm Kilduff's statement
858
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,704
seems to support
this conclusion.
859
00:40:13,704 --> 00:40:19,960
It's a simple matter of a bullet
right through the head.
860
00:40:22,129 --> 00:40:23,630
[Goldberg]
The day after the shooting,
861
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:26,550
Dr. Perry was seen
by Nurse Audrey Bell,
862
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:28,927
who had been with him
in the operating room.
863
00:40:28,927 --> 00:40:31,513
[Audrey Bell] Saturday morning,
when I got over there,
864
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,891
Dr. Perry
came up to the office.
865
00:40:33,891 --> 00:40:35,350
I said, "You look awful.
866
00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:37,728
Did you get
any sleep last night?"
867
00:40:37,895 --> 00:40:39,938
He said, "Well, not too much,
868
00:40:39,938 --> 00:40:43,692
between the calls from Bethesda
that came in during the night.”
869
00:40:43,692 --> 00:40:45,527
I said, "What about?"
870
00:40:45,527 --> 00:40:48,280
He said, "Oh, whether
that was an entrance wound
871
00:40:48,447 --> 00:40:50,532
or an exit wound
in the throat."
872
00:40:50,532 --> 00:40:52,117
He said, "They were wanting me
to change my mind."
873
00:40:53,327 --> 00:40:55,329
In his Warren Commission
testimony,
874
00:40:55,329 --> 00:40:58,123
he basically retracted
what he had said
875
00:40:58,123 --> 00:41:00,459
and they forced him
to back down
876
00:41:00,459 --> 00:41:02,586
and intimidated him
on the witness stand.
877
00:41:02,753 --> 00:41:05,589
It was really quite embarrassing
for me as a physician
878
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:08,216
to see how someone else
who was telling the truth
879
00:41:08,383 --> 00:41:10,844
was basically forced
to recant his own opinion.
880
00:41:10,844 --> 00:41:13,513
Did it occur to you at the time
or did you think,
881
00:41:13,513 --> 00:41:17,601
"Was this an entry wound
or was this an exit wound?"
882
00:41:17,768 --> 00:41:20,187
Actually, I didn't really
give it much thought
883
00:41:20,354 --> 00:41:22,189
and I realized that perhaps
884
00:41:22,189 --> 00:41:23,982
it would have been
better had I done so.
885
00:41:23,982 --> 00:41:26,985
But I actually
applied my energies,
886
00:41:26,985 --> 00:41:29,071
and those of us there all did,
887
00:41:29,071 --> 00:41:30,781
to the problem at hand.
888
00:41:30,948 --> 00:41:32,783
And I didn't really
concern myself too much
889
00:41:32,783 --> 00:41:35,202
with how it happened or why.
890
00:41:35,202 --> 00:41:39,831
In 1975, Dr. Shires hired me
891
00:41:39,831 --> 00:41:43,001
on the faculty
at the University of Washington
892
00:41:43,168 --> 00:41:45,045
in the cardiac
surgery division.
893
00:41:45,045 --> 00:41:49,216
So I got to know Malcolm
when I joined the faculty.
894
00:41:49,216 --> 00:41:51,301
We developed
a professional relationship,
895
00:41:51,301 --> 00:41:55,055
and we would operate together
on complex cases.
896
00:41:55,055 --> 00:42:01,103
I was particularly interested
in, uh, Dr. Perry's position
897
00:42:01,103 --> 00:42:02,854
with the JFK assassination
898
00:42:02,854 --> 00:42:07,067
because he did the tracheotomy
on him after he was shot.
899
00:42:07,067 --> 00:42:11,029
The problem is that Malcolm
categorically refused
900
00:42:11,029 --> 00:42:14,658
to ever discuss
the assassination,
901
00:42:14,658 --> 00:42:16,410
uh, and he wouldn't
answer my questions
902
00:42:16,618 --> 00:42:17,703
about that neck wound.
903
00:42:17,703 --> 00:42:20,497
And then one night
after we had operated together
904
00:42:20,497 --> 00:42:23,583
for many hours
on a complex case,
905
00:42:23,583 --> 00:42:25,627
we were sitting in
the surgeons' lounge alone,
906
00:42:25,627 --> 00:42:27,713
drinking coffee,
907
00:42:27,713 --> 00:42:31,383
and I once again asked him
about that neck wound.
908
00:42:31,383 --> 00:42:37,305
And this time, he said
it was an entrance wound,
909
00:42:37,305 --> 00:42:41,351
unquestionably
an entrance wound.
910
00:42:41,351 --> 00:42:45,439
One of the-- the main reasons
Dr. Perry changed his testimony
911
00:42:45,605 --> 00:42:48,442
and publicly agreed
it was an exit wound
912
00:42:48,442 --> 00:42:52,446
is a Secret Service agent, uh,
put the pressure on him,
913
00:42:52,612 --> 00:42:55,198
and that person was Elmer Moore.
914
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:58,869
In 1970,
Elmer Moore was the head
915
00:42:59,036 --> 00:43:01,997
of the Secret Service office
in Seattle
916
00:43:01,997 --> 00:43:05,375
and a graduate student
named Jim Gochenaur
917
00:43:05,375 --> 00:43:07,419
became friends with him,
918
00:43:07,419 --> 00:43:09,963
and he admitted
to Gochenaur that he regretted
919
00:43:09,963 --> 00:43:13,341
putting pressure on Dr. Perry.
920
00:43:13,508 --> 00:43:15,343
So I asked him directly.
921
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:21,183
I said, "Mr. Moore,
did you pressure Dr. Perry?"
922
00:43:21,183 --> 00:43:22,559
He stopped for a minute.
923
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:24,936
He says, "Well, I was
ordered to do that."
924
00:43:24,936 --> 00:43:26,354
He expanded on it.
925
00:43:26,354 --> 00:43:27,981
And he said
that Inspector Kelley
926
00:43:27,981 --> 00:43:31,318
had ordered him
to talk with Perry
927
00:43:31,318 --> 00:43:33,320
and, uh, convince him
that it could be
928
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,114
either an exit
or an entry wound,
929
00:43:36,114 --> 00:43:38,658
not an entry wound.
930
00:43:38,658 --> 00:43:41,953
And I thought
it was pretty interesting
931
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,792
that he would admit to something
that's pretty close to a felony.
932
00:43:46,792 --> 00:43:49,586
[Donald Miller]
Elmer Moore was also in charge
933
00:43:49,586 --> 00:43:51,254
of getting
the doctors at Parkland
934
00:43:51,254 --> 00:43:53,590
to change their testimony,
935
00:43:53,590 --> 00:43:55,383
and agree
that there was no big hole
936
00:43:55,383 --> 00:43:58,595
in the back of Kennedy's head.
937
00:43:58,595 --> 00:44:01,473
[Goldberg] Charles Crenshaw,
a third year resident,
938
00:44:01,473 --> 00:44:04,893
was in the emergency room
at Parkland that day.
939
00:44:04,893 --> 00:44:08,438
He later said in public that
he felt the wounds in Kennedy
940
00:44:08,438 --> 00:44:10,899
originated from the front.
941
00:44:10,899 --> 00:44:13,193
From here, through.
942
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,612
[Gary Aguilar]
Charles Crenshaw wrote a book,
943
00:44:15,612 --> 00:44:18,281
Conspiracy of Silence,
in the wake of the film JFK,
944
00:44:18,281 --> 00:44:20,242
saying, "Look,
I was at Parkland Hospital.
945
00:44:20,242 --> 00:44:23,245
"I saw Kennedy,
I was involved in the treatment,
946
00:44:23,245 --> 00:44:25,080
"and Kennedy's wounds
were not consistent
947
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,165
"with a shot from above
and behind because
948
00:44:27,165 --> 00:44:29,876
he had a defect involving
the right rear of his head.”
949
00:44:32,087 --> 00:44:33,630
[man over recorder]
Using the most precise
950
00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:35,257
medical terminology
that you can use.
951
00:44:35,257 --> 00:44:36,424
[Audrey Bell over recorder]
Okay, let's see,
952
00:44:36,591 --> 00:44:39,845
it was on the right rear
953
00:44:39,845 --> 00:44:43,849
and he shifted the head,
a little bit, to the left,
954
00:44:43,849 --> 00:44:48,145
lifted up the, well, kind of
the matted area, the flap.
955
00:44:48,145 --> 00:44:52,107
And you could see
the, uh, hole,
956
00:44:52,107 --> 00:44:54,442
and there was, uh,
957
00:44:54,442 --> 00:44:58,738
brain and spinal fluid
dripping down out of it.
958
00:44:58,738 --> 00:45:01,658
Then I noticed it was dripping,
you know, down into a bucket.
959
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:06,121
[Stone]
As early as 1981,
960
00:45:06,121 --> 00:45:08,540
copies of the autopsy photos
were leaked
961
00:45:08,540 --> 00:45:11,751
and distributed
among JFK researchers.
962
00:45:11,751 --> 00:45:13,545
The image
of Kennedy's head wound
963
00:45:13,545 --> 00:45:18,133
contradicted what was witnessed
by the Parkland doctors.
964
00:45:18,133 --> 00:45:22,846
I recall the injury being
right along in this area.
965
00:45:26,057 --> 00:45:29,519
[Mantik] It's as if the autopsy
materials were designed
966
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:32,022
to hide what
was really happening,
967
00:45:32,022 --> 00:45:34,441
as opposed to what
they should usually do.
968
00:45:34,441 --> 00:45:39,029
They're supposed to reveal
the full extent of things.
969
00:45:39,029 --> 00:45:41,031
[Goldberg] The evening
of the assassination,
970
00:45:41,031 --> 00:45:44,743
the body of President Kennedy
was returned to Washington.
971
00:45:44,743 --> 00:45:48,288
The autopsy was performed
at Bethesda Medical Center,
972
00:45:48,288 --> 00:45:50,081
a naval institution.
973
00:45:50,248 --> 00:45:52,209
All of the top
forensic pathologists
974
00:45:52,209 --> 00:45:53,585
in the United States
975
00:45:53,793 --> 00:45:56,463
were within one-hour drive
or flying time from D.C.
976
00:45:57,339 --> 00:45:59,424
Not one of them was called upon.
977
00:45:59,424 --> 00:46:01,384
There were two
Navy pathologists,
978
00:46:01,551 --> 00:46:03,011
Commander James Humes
979
00:46:03,178 --> 00:46:05,347
and his associate,
J. Thornton Boswell.
980
00:46:05,347 --> 00:46:09,017
These two military pathologists
who had never done
981
00:46:09,017 --> 00:46:12,395
a single gunshot-wound autopsy
in their entire careers.
982
00:46:12,562 --> 00:46:14,189
This is something that really
983
00:46:14,189 --> 00:46:16,024
has to be emphasized
to every American.
984
00:46:16,024 --> 00:46:18,193
I don't care, Democrat, Republican,
liberal, conservative.
985
00:46:18,193 --> 00:46:19,694
This is your president,
986
00:46:19,694 --> 00:46:21,988
and you've got
multiple gunshot wounds
987
00:46:21,988 --> 00:46:24,950
to determine angles, trajectory,
range, sequence.
988
00:46:25,116 --> 00:46:26,368
And then you've got to correlate
989
00:46:26,534 --> 00:46:28,328
with the multiple
gunshot wounds in Connally.
990
00:46:28,328 --> 00:46:30,580
This is a formidable task
that would have required
991
00:46:30,747 --> 00:46:35,043
two or three major forensic
pathologists to-- to undertake.
992
00:46:35,043 --> 00:46:37,254
So they called
Humes and Boswell.
993
00:46:37,254 --> 00:46:38,588
They realized
they were over their head.
994
00:46:38,588 --> 00:46:39,923
They called in an expert
995
00:46:39,923 --> 00:46:41,800
from the Armed Forces
Institute of Pathology,
996
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,218
a guy named Pierre Finck.
997
00:46:43,385 --> 00:46:45,804
Dr. Humes and Boswell
started the autopsy
998
00:46:45,804 --> 00:46:48,265
before their forensics
consultant even got there,
999
00:46:48,265 --> 00:46:50,141
but they realized
they were in over their head.
1000
00:46:50,141 --> 00:46:53,436
So they asked to have a medical
examiner because Dr. Finck,
1001
00:46:53,436 --> 00:46:56,398
who is a forensic pathologist,
wasn't doing autopsies.
1002
00:46:56,398 --> 00:46:58,233
He hadn't done one
in more than two years.
1003
00:46:58,233 --> 00:47:00,193
So they asked for permission
to bring in somebody
1004
00:47:00,193 --> 00:47:04,072
who knew what they were doing.
Permission was denied.
1005
00:47:04,072 --> 00:47:05,490
[Aguilar]
There were a lot of people
1006
00:47:05,699 --> 00:47:06,700
at the Bethesda morgue.
1007
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:08,118
The latest count
by all the researchers
1008
00:47:08,118 --> 00:47:10,704
that I know of is
about 33 people.
1009
00:47:10,704 --> 00:47:12,914
There was a gallery, bleachers.
1010
00:47:12,914 --> 00:47:15,917
Apparently, all three rows
were filled with people.
1011
00:47:15,917 --> 00:47:18,837
These three autopsy
pathologists were given a body,
1012
00:47:19,004 --> 00:47:20,171
told, "Here's the body,
1013
00:47:20,171 --> 00:47:22,132
he was shot from behind,
he fell forward,"
1014
00:47:22,132 --> 00:47:23,842
which they wrote
in their autopsy report,
1015
00:47:23,842 --> 00:47:25,093
figure out how the wounds fit
1016
00:47:25,260 --> 00:47:27,137
the known circumstances
of the shooting.
1017
00:47:27,137 --> 00:47:30,682
But what this really speaks to
is the fact that the autopsy
1018
00:47:30,682 --> 00:47:32,100
was not in the control
of the surgeons
1019
00:47:32,267 --> 00:47:34,311
that were charged
with doing it.
1020
00:47:34,311 --> 00:47:36,271
It was in the control of people
who were there,
1021
00:47:36,271 --> 00:47:38,023
who were telling them
what they could do
1022
00:47:38,231 --> 00:47:39,441
and what they couldn't do.
1023
00:47:39,441 --> 00:47:42,152
[reporter] Let's talk about
those two wounds, Captain.
1024
00:47:42,152 --> 00:47:44,863
You examined this
whole area of the back.
1025
00:47:44,863 --> 00:47:46,072
[James J. Humes] Yes, sir.
1026
00:47:46,072 --> 00:47:47,657
[Wecht]
So on the night of the autopsy,
1027
00:47:47,824 --> 00:47:49,701
Humes and Boswell said,
1028
00:47:49,701 --> 00:47:51,870
"Hey, we got a bullet hole
in the President's back,"
1029
00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:54,789
which they
examined with the finger,
1030
00:47:54,789 --> 00:47:56,041
then with an instrument,
then took x-rays,
1031
00:47:56,207 --> 00:47:57,876
then took out the lungs.
1032
00:47:57,876 --> 00:47:59,044
And no bullets.
1033
00:47:59,210 --> 00:48:00,712
In a murder case,
1034
00:48:00,712 --> 00:48:03,465
that is a very serious
problem for them.
1035
00:48:03,465 --> 00:48:04,966
So where did that bullet go?
1036
00:48:05,133 --> 00:48:07,886
It was just, like you say,
a work of fiction.
1037
00:48:07,886 --> 00:48:10,138
A call came in
from the FBI in Dallas.
1038
00:48:10,138 --> 00:48:11,765
A bullet was found.
1039
00:48:11,765 --> 00:48:13,350
Darrell Tomlinson,
a maintenance man
1040
00:48:13,350 --> 00:48:15,101
at Parkland Hospital,
1041
00:48:15,101 --> 00:48:17,896
trying to get to the men's room,
passing by the ER,
1042
00:48:17,896 --> 00:48:19,564
found the stretchers
blocking the way,
1043
00:48:19,564 --> 00:48:21,858
bent down,
moved the stretcher,
1044
00:48:21,858 --> 00:48:23,318
and there was a bullet.
1045
00:48:23,485 --> 00:48:24,986
How did that bullet get there?
1046
00:48:24,986 --> 00:48:26,529
Humes and Boswell came up
1047
00:48:26,529 --> 00:48:28,990
with this totally
absurd conclusion
1048
00:48:28,990 --> 00:48:30,950
that when the President lay
1049
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:33,995
on the stretcher,
supine position,
1050
00:48:33,995 --> 00:48:35,997
and pressure
was applied to his chest
1051
00:48:35,997 --> 00:48:38,416
for cardiopulmonary
resuscitation,
1052
00:48:38,416 --> 00:48:41,961
that pressure, applied
anteriorly, forced the bullet,
1053
00:48:41,961 --> 00:48:43,963
which had gone
deeply into the tissues,
1054
00:48:43,963 --> 00:48:45,757
back out through like a tunnel.
1055
00:48:45,757 --> 00:48:48,093
In and out, a car in reverse.
1056
00:48:48,093 --> 00:48:50,762
And what's
very important to note is
1057
00:48:50,929 --> 00:48:53,598
bullets don't go
in and out like that.
1058
00:48:53,598 --> 00:48:57,185
The bullet becomes encased.
But that was their conclusion.
1059
00:48:57,185 --> 00:49:00,647
Keep in mind, they did not know
that there was a bullet hole
1060
00:49:00,647 --> 00:49:02,399
in the front of
the President's neck.
1061
00:49:02,565 --> 00:49:05,026
Commander.
Now, Captain Humes,
1062
00:49:05,026 --> 00:49:06,986
how many autopsies
have you performed?
1063
00:49:06,986 --> 00:49:09,155
[Humes] Approximately 1,000.
1064
00:49:09,155 --> 00:49:13,868
It wasn't until the next morning
when Humes decided,
1065
00:49:13,868 --> 00:49:15,036
"Hey, maybe we outta talk with
1066
00:49:15,036 --> 00:49:17,539
the surgeons
at Parkland Hospital."
1067
00:49:17,539 --> 00:49:20,458
Earlier that day, the
doctors at Parkland Hospital
1068
00:49:20,458 --> 00:49:22,252
had determined that the bullet
1069
00:49:22,419 --> 00:49:24,129
had fortuitously
ripped through the trachea.
1070
00:49:24,129 --> 00:49:27,382
So they enlarged
that bullet hole.
1071
00:49:27,382 --> 00:49:29,551
And now they learned,
for the first time,
1072
00:49:29,551 --> 00:49:31,553
that there was a tracheostomy
1073
00:49:31,553 --> 00:49:33,888
superimposed
upon a bullet wound.
1074
00:49:33,888 --> 00:49:36,516
"Aha!" said Humes and Boswell.
1075
00:49:36,516 --> 00:49:38,101
"Now we know!"
1076
00:49:38,101 --> 00:49:40,895
The shot fired from the rear,
entered the back,
1077
00:49:40,895 --> 00:49:43,273
moving around
2,000 feet per second,
1078
00:49:43,273 --> 00:49:46,151
comes out, then stops,
sees the starched white collar,
1079
00:49:46,151 --> 00:49:48,653
gets frightened to death, plops
into the front of his clothing.
1080
00:49:48,653 --> 00:49:50,238
And that's where
the bullet came from,
1081
00:49:50,238 --> 00:49:52,407
found by Tomlinson
on the stretcher.
1082
00:49:52,407 --> 00:49:53,950
Four or five months later,
1083
00:49:53,950 --> 00:49:56,578
under Arten Specter's
single-bullet theory,
1084
00:49:56,578 --> 00:49:59,122
that bullet has been rejuvenated,
it's been revitalized.
1085
00:49:59,122 --> 00:50:00,665
That bullet has
now gone through
1086
00:50:00,665 --> 00:50:02,500
Kennedy, through Connally,
1087
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:06,671
and now, as of April of 1964,
the Stretcher Bullet,
1088
00:50:06,671 --> 00:50:08,423
Commission Exhibit #399,
1089
00:50:08,423 --> 00:50:10,133
the hero of the
Warren Commission report,
1090
00:50:10,133 --> 00:50:13,261
is now from
Connally's left thigh.
1091
00:50:13,261 --> 00:50:15,555
How is that possible?
1092
00:50:15,555 --> 00:50:17,474
It's unbelievable!
1093
00:50:17,474 --> 00:50:20,477
...Which is scientific evidence
1094
00:50:20,477 --> 00:50:26,733
that the wound was made
from behind and passed forward.
1095
00:50:26,733 --> 00:50:30,320
[Aguilar] Dr. Humes destroyed
his original autopsy notes.
1096
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,238
Now, Dr. Humes,
the chief autopsy pathologist,
1097
00:50:32,238 --> 00:50:34,365
and what we all know
as doctors,
1098
00:50:34,365 --> 00:50:36,201
notes taken while
you're doing something
1099
00:50:36,201 --> 00:50:37,744
are much more important,
1100
00:50:37,744 --> 00:50:39,537
and are likely
to be closer to the truth
1101
00:50:39,537 --> 00:50:42,081
than anything you write later.
1102
00:50:42,081 --> 00:50:44,626
And he admitted that
he'd destroyed autopsy notes.
1103
00:50:44,626 --> 00:50:46,669
You destroyed
your original notes
1104
00:50:46,669 --> 00:50:48,213
in a medical legal autopsy?
1105
00:50:48,213 --> 00:50:51,883
And remember, that night
Oswald is still alive.
1106
00:50:51,883 --> 00:50:53,259
You're going
to be asked, doctor,
1107
00:50:53,426 --> 00:50:58,097
at some point in time under oath
to give sworn testimony.
1108
00:50:58,097 --> 00:51:00,016
Why did you
destroy those notes, doctor?
1109
00:51:00,183 --> 00:51:03,478
Doesn't a pathologist
keep his notes?
1110
00:51:03,478 --> 00:51:06,147
And he said, "Well,
I destroyed my own autopsy notes
1111
00:51:06,147 --> 00:51:08,566
"because they were splattered
with the President's blood
1112
00:51:08,566 --> 00:51:11,402
and I didn't want them to become
objects of morbid curiosity.”
1113
00:51:11,402 --> 00:51:12,946
The third doctor, Dr. Finck,
1114
00:51:12,946 --> 00:51:14,948
who was there,
also wrote some notes
1115
00:51:14,948 --> 00:51:16,533
and complained
bitterly about the fact
1116
00:51:16,533 --> 00:51:18,117
that his notes disappeared too.
1117
00:51:18,117 --> 00:51:20,245
He was so upset
because he had to go home
1118
00:51:20,245 --> 00:51:22,539
and reconstruct
all of his notes from memory.
1119
00:51:24,624 --> 00:51:26,543
The two FBI agents
at the autopsy,
1120
00:51:26,543 --> 00:51:29,254
Frank O'Neill and James Sibert,
1121
00:51:29,254 --> 00:51:31,881
they reported what they heard
during the autopsy,
1122
00:51:32,048 --> 00:51:34,676
what they heard
the pathologists say,
1123
00:51:34,842 --> 00:51:36,970
specifically Dr. Humes.
1124
00:51:36,970 --> 00:51:41,558
They were interviewed
by Arten Specter in early 1964.
1125
00:51:41,558 --> 00:51:45,770
He proceeded to write
very unfavorable comments
1126
00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:48,523
about them in a summary memo
for the record.
1127
00:51:48,523 --> 00:51:50,024
We know with confidence
1128
00:51:50,024 --> 00:51:51,818
why he didn't like
what they had to say,
1129
00:51:51,818 --> 00:51:53,695
because they were
providing evidence
1130
00:51:53,861 --> 00:51:56,155
that the single-bullet theory
could not be true.
1131
00:51:56,155 --> 00:51:58,449
[Goldberg]
Neither Sibert nor O'Neill
1132
00:51:58,449 --> 00:52:01,160
were asked to testify
for the Warren Commission,
1133
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,580
and their written notes
became classified.
1134
00:52:03,746 --> 00:52:06,207
In 1997,
their depositions were taken
1135
00:52:06,207 --> 00:52:09,419
by the Assassination
Records Review Board.
1136
00:52:09,419 --> 00:52:11,629
[Douglas Horne]
Both Sibert and O'Neill
1137
00:52:11,629 --> 00:52:14,924
were shown the photographs
of the back of JFK's head,
1138
00:52:14,924 --> 00:52:18,011
the autopsy photographs that
are the most controversial.
1139
00:52:18,011 --> 00:52:19,804
And they both said
that they didn't
1140
00:52:19,804 --> 00:52:21,598
see anything like that
at the autopsy.
1141
00:52:21,764 --> 00:52:24,017
O'Neill had said, "It looks
like it's been doctored.
1142
00:52:24,183 --> 00:52:25,435
"I don't mean the photo
has been doctored.
1143
00:52:25,435 --> 00:52:27,604
It looks like the head
has been put back together,"”
1144
00:52:27,604 --> 00:52:28,938
you know, by embalmers
and then photographed."”
1145
00:52:29,105 --> 00:52:30,773
That was what
he said under oath.
1146
00:52:30,940 --> 00:52:33,234
Sibert did not remember
1147
00:52:33,234 --> 00:52:35,987
drawing a diagram of the wound
for the House committee.
1148
00:52:35,987 --> 00:52:38,031
So he drew a new one
for the Review Board.
1149
00:52:38,031 --> 00:52:39,991
And it's one of our
most important wound diagrams.
1150
00:52:40,158 --> 00:52:42,577
And it shows what
could only be an exit defect
1151
00:52:42,577 --> 00:52:43,953
in the right rear of the skull.
1152
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,421
[Goldberg] This new evidence,
combined with
1153
00:52:53,421 --> 00:52:56,382
the Review Board's
declassification of 40 witnesses
1154
00:52:56,382 --> 00:52:59,260
who saw a hole in the back
of Kennedy's head,
1155
00:52:59,260 --> 00:53:03,765
constitutes powerful evidence
of a shot from the front.
1156
00:53:04,682 --> 00:53:06,017
(gunshot)
1157
00:53:09,145 --> 00:53:10,647
Who was
the autopsy photographer?
1158
00:53:10,647 --> 00:53:13,066
John Stringer.
1159
00:53:13,232 --> 00:53:15,652
He was a Navy civilian.
He was widely respected.
1160
00:53:15,818 --> 00:53:16,861
He had written a textbook
1161
00:53:17,028 --> 00:53:18,905
on medical photography
for the Navy.
1162
00:53:18,905 --> 00:53:20,239
So he was
the photographer of record.
1163
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,492
He photographed
the autopsy itself
1164
00:53:22,492 --> 00:53:26,120
and also photographed
the President's brain.
1165
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,247
[Stone] The autopsy photos
of the President's brain
1166
00:53:28,247 --> 00:53:30,500
are housed
at the National Archives.
1167
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:33,586
These photos cannot be scanned
or reproduced,
1168
00:53:33,586 --> 00:53:36,464
but are only available
to be viewed on site
1169
00:53:36,464 --> 00:53:40,301
by researchers authorized
by the Kennedy family.
1170
00:53:40,301 --> 00:53:42,303
[Horne] Half of
the brain photos are taken
1171
00:53:42,303 --> 00:53:44,931
of a brain from above,
superior views,
1172
00:53:44,931 --> 00:53:48,434
which is what Stringer said
he shot of the complete organ.
1173
00:53:48,434 --> 00:53:51,020
But the other half of the brain
photos in the archives
1174
00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:54,482
are taken of the bottom,
called basilar views.
1175
00:53:54,482 --> 00:53:57,235
Now, we were very careful
to question Mr. Stringer
1176
00:53:57,235 --> 00:53:59,278
about all the photographs
he took,
1177
00:53:59,445 --> 00:54:02,532
and ask him what kind of film
he used for black and white,
1178
00:54:02,532 --> 00:54:04,158
what kind of film
he used for color.
1179
00:54:04,158 --> 00:54:06,285
Jeremy Gunn showed Stringer
1180
00:54:06,285 --> 00:54:10,123
the color positive
transparencies of the brain,
1181
00:54:10,123 --> 00:54:11,749
and Stringer immediately noted,
1182
00:54:11,749 --> 00:54:14,419
"Well, these aren't Kodak.
These might be Ansco."
1183
00:54:14,419 --> 00:54:16,879
He said, "I don't see the name
of the manufacturer on here,
1184
00:54:16,879 --> 00:54:19,716
but these don't have the
right notches in the corner. "
1185
00:54:19,716 --> 00:54:21,467
So Jeremy Gunn said,
1186
00:54:21,467 --> 00:54:23,803
"Did you use this film
with these notches in it?"
1187
00:54:23,803 --> 00:54:25,513
Stringer said, "No."
1188
00:54:25,513 --> 00:54:27,348
"Did you take basilar views
when you shot the brain?"
1189
00:54:27,515 --> 00:54:30,184
And he says,
"Not as far as I know."
1190
00:54:30,351 --> 00:54:32,687
[Goldberg] Doesn't
this all lead to the question
1191
00:54:32,687 --> 00:54:36,274
if Stringer did not take these
photographs, then who did?
1192
00:54:38,109 --> 00:54:41,362
Robert Knudsen
was a Navy photographer
1193
00:54:41,362 --> 00:54:44,323
who was detailed
to the White House in 1958.
1194
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:47,744
If you read his obituaries in
The New York Times
1195
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:49,203
and The Washington Post,
1196
00:54:49,203 --> 00:54:51,122
you will see
that he is credited
1197
00:54:51,289 --> 00:54:53,833
with photographing
Kennedy's autopsy,
1198
00:54:53,833 --> 00:54:57,170
except officially he was not.
1199
00:54:57,336 --> 00:54:59,922
[Horne] Robert Knudsen
was not interviewed by
1200
00:55:00,131 --> 00:55:01,549
the Warren Commission.
1201
00:55:01,549 --> 00:55:05,678
So they finally found
Robert Knudsen in 1978.
1202
00:55:05,678 --> 00:55:07,805
And to its credit,
the House Select Committee
1203
00:55:07,805 --> 00:55:09,223
did a deposition of him.
1204
00:55:09,390 --> 00:55:12,059
To their discredit,
they never published it.
1205
00:55:12,059 --> 00:55:16,439
They buried it for 15 years
and it got released in 1993.
1206
00:55:16,439 --> 00:55:18,357
And I know why they buried it,
1207
00:55:18,357 --> 00:55:21,277
because everything he told them
about autopsy photography
1208
00:55:21,277 --> 00:55:22,862
contradicted what
they thought they knew
1209
00:55:22,862 --> 00:55:24,030
in the official record.
1210
00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:26,824
[Mantik] After
his death in 1989,
1211
00:55:26,824 --> 00:55:28,409
his wife was interviewed by
1212
00:55:28,576 --> 00:55:31,078
the Assassination
Records Review Board.
1213
00:55:43,090 --> 00:55:46,260
He told her that one photograph
in particular,
1214
00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:47,804
presumably
the back of the head,
1215
00:55:47,804 --> 00:55:50,264
had been severely altered.
1216
00:55:50,264 --> 00:55:52,141
[Jeremy Gunn]
Where was the wound covered?
1217
00:55:57,814 --> 00:56:00,525
[Jeremy Gunn] In one sense,
uh, probably worth saying
1218
00:56:00,525 --> 00:56:02,360
that what you're saying
is very different
1219
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,320
from what
the United States government
1220
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,489
has said for a long time.
1221
00:56:06,656 --> 00:56:10,034
And why didn't he say
something to somebody?
1222
00:56:31,138 --> 00:56:33,182
[Horne]
John Stringer is still
1223
00:56:33,182 --> 00:56:34,642
the autopsy
photographer of record,
1224
00:56:34,642 --> 00:56:36,310
I think they both took pictures
and I personally think
1225
00:56:36,477 --> 00:56:39,188
that many of
John Stringer's pictures
1226
00:56:39,188 --> 00:56:41,107
never made it
into the official collection.
1227
00:56:41,274 --> 00:56:42,275
And a lot of the ones
we're looking at
1228
00:56:42,441 --> 00:56:44,026
are Robert Knudsen's pictures.
1229
00:56:47,697 --> 00:56:50,867
[Mantik] Saundra Spencer worked
at the Anacostia Facility,
1230
00:56:51,033 --> 00:56:53,244
a Naval Photographic Center,
1231
00:56:53,244 --> 00:56:55,538
which was quite separate
from the Bethesda lab.
1232
00:56:55,538 --> 00:56:58,708
That weekend,
she received film.
1233
00:56:58,875 --> 00:57:01,627
[Horne] The photographs
that Saundra Spencer developed,
1234
00:57:01,627 --> 00:57:03,796
which never made it
into the official record.
1235
00:57:03,796 --> 00:57:06,465
The only evidence we have
of them is her testimony.
1236
00:57:08,301 --> 00:57:10,678
Saundra Spencer
was visibly upset
1237
00:57:10,678 --> 00:57:13,055
when she looked at the
official autopsy photographs
1238
00:57:13,055 --> 00:57:16,601
because she said, "I developed
pictures of him and his family
1239
00:57:16,601 --> 00:57:19,478
for almost three years
and he never looked like this."
1240
00:57:19,478 --> 00:57:21,480
She said, "He looks terrible
in these photographs.”
1241
00:57:25,985 --> 00:57:26,694
-She started to cry.
1242
00:57:26,903 --> 00:57:28,362
-[Stone]
In front of the Review Board?
1243
00:57:28,529 --> 00:57:30,990
[Horne] Yes, she started to cry
in front of Jeremy and I
1244
00:57:31,157 --> 00:57:32,909
and the person
from the archives,
1245
00:57:32,909 --> 00:57:35,369
and she said,
"He did not look this bad
1246
00:57:35,369 --> 00:57:37,413
in the photographs
I developed on Sunday."”
1247
00:57:37,413 --> 00:57:40,374
He was very cleaned up.
It was very respectful.
1248
00:57:40,541 --> 00:57:42,710
And in one of the photographs
she developed,
1249
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:44,378
there was a brain,
an intact brain,
1250
00:57:44,545 --> 00:57:46,213
sitting next to the body,
1251
00:57:46,213 --> 00:57:47,590
the nude body of the President.
1252
00:57:47,757 --> 00:57:49,425
Strange, first of all,
that it's intact
1253
00:57:49,425 --> 00:57:52,845
because FBI agent Frank O'Neill
told the Review Board
1254
00:57:52,845 --> 00:57:55,681
that over half of the mass
of the brain was missing.
1255
00:57:58,434 --> 00:58:01,228
[Mantik] So the brain autopsy
or autopsies,
1256
00:58:01,228 --> 00:58:03,689
there were probably
two such events,
1257
00:58:03,689 --> 00:58:08,486
uh, occurred later and
we're not done on November 22nd.
1258
00:58:08,486 --> 00:58:10,237
[Aguilar] Anybody
that's seen the Zapruder film
1259
00:58:10,237 --> 00:58:11,697
can see Kennedy's
head explodes
1260
00:58:11,697 --> 00:58:13,240
and debris flies
all over the place.
1261
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,575
Jackie Kennedy climbed out
1262
00:58:14,575 --> 00:58:16,327
onto the trunk
of the limousine,
1263
00:58:16,327 --> 00:58:19,497
picked up a chunk of the President's
brain, had it with her,
1264
00:58:19,497 --> 00:58:21,332
took it in and gave it to, uh,
1265
00:58:21,332 --> 00:58:23,334
one of the doctors
at Parkland Hospital.
1266
00:58:23,334 --> 00:58:25,586
When you look at the autopsy
photographs of the brain,
1267
00:58:25,586 --> 00:58:27,004
which I've seen
the originals of,
1268
00:58:27,004 --> 00:58:28,923
you can just see
that the brain is disrupted,
1269
00:58:28,923 --> 00:58:30,925
but very little
of the tissue is missing.
1270
00:58:30,925 --> 00:58:33,678
Then we look at the autopsy
report of the brain,
1271
00:58:33,678 --> 00:58:35,680
what they call the
supplemental brain examination.
1272
00:58:35,846 --> 00:58:37,473
The brain in evidence
that's weighed there
1273
00:58:37,473 --> 00:58:39,475
weighs 1,500 grams.
1274
00:58:39,475 --> 00:58:42,853
1500 grams is--
is above average weight
1275
00:58:42,853 --> 00:58:44,438
of an adult male brain.
1276
00:58:44,438 --> 00:58:47,483
There was one report
of 8,000 autopsies
1277
00:58:47,483 --> 00:58:50,361
and the average weight of
an adult male brain
1278
00:58:50,361 --> 00:58:52,279
was 1,336 grams.
1279
00:58:52,279 --> 00:58:56,075
So they're saying
that President Kennedy's brain
1280
00:58:56,075 --> 00:58:57,785
was well above
the average weight.
1281
00:58:57,785 --> 00:58:59,787
Where did all that brain tissue
disappear to?
1282
00:58:59,787 --> 00:59:03,666
That flies around Dealey Plaza
that Jackie has in her hand,
1283
00:59:03,666 --> 00:59:05,292
that everybody is picking off
of their clothes?
1284
00:59:08,212 --> 00:59:10,965
[Chesser]
There are two photographs of the brain
1285
00:59:10,965 --> 00:59:13,384
I viewed those in 2015.
1286
00:59:13,384 --> 00:59:15,886
The brain looked to me
to be distorted.
1287
00:59:15,886 --> 00:59:17,555
My first thought was
that the brain had been sitting
1288
00:59:17,722 --> 00:59:19,807
in a jar of formaldehyde
for a long time.
1289
00:59:19,807 --> 00:59:22,768
The Review Board
had a consultant.
1290
00:59:22,935 --> 00:59:25,730
A renowned
forensic pathologist.
1291
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:28,357
He looked at the brain
photographs and he said,
1292
00:59:28,357 --> 00:59:30,901
"This is a very
well-fixed brain.
1293
00:59:31,068 --> 00:59:33,988
It's all gray.
It's not pink at all.
1294
00:59:33,988 --> 00:59:36,907
"It's been fixed for two
or three weeks in formaldehyde.
1295
00:59:37,074 --> 00:59:38,576
It's been fixed
at least two weeks,
1296
00:59:38,576 --> 00:59:40,077
maybe as long as three weeks."
1297
00:59:40,077 --> 00:59:42,329
I looked at Jeremy Gunn
and he looked at me
1298
00:59:42,329 --> 00:59:43,748
and the hair stood up
on the back of my neck,
1299
00:59:43,748 --> 00:59:48,169
because I knew that JFK's brain
was examined...
1300
00:59:48,169 --> 00:59:50,671
less than three days
after he was killed.
1301
00:59:50,671 --> 00:59:52,381
One can only imagine
that they wanted
1302
00:59:52,381 --> 00:59:54,175
the-- the damage to the brain
1303
00:59:54,175 --> 00:59:56,385
to be consistent
with the hypothesis
1304
00:59:56,385 --> 00:59:58,679
that Oswald
had done the shooting.
1305
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:00,056
So if you had a defect
going all the way
1306
01:00:00,264 --> 01:00:01,182
to the back of the head,
1307
01:00:01,182 --> 01:00:03,350
like so many witnesses
testified to it,
1308
01:00:03,517 --> 01:00:07,980
it might raise questions
about whether that huge defect
1309
01:00:07,980 --> 01:00:10,524
could've cau-- been caused
by a single shot to the head
1310
01:00:10,691 --> 01:00:13,110
as Oswald is supposed
to have done.
1311
01:00:13,110 --> 01:00:14,361
[Chesser]
At a teaching hospital,
1312
01:00:14,361 --> 01:00:17,323
there was
no shortage of brains.
1313
01:00:17,323 --> 01:00:18,741
Autopsies were very frequent.
1314
01:00:18,741 --> 01:00:20,242
Frequently, the brain was saved
1315
01:00:20,242 --> 01:00:22,870
for teaching medical students,
1316
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:24,371
so it would not
have been difficult
1317
01:00:24,371 --> 01:00:26,707
to find a brain
for replacement.
1318
01:00:26,874 --> 01:00:28,250
This is just one more reason
1319
01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:31,003
why this cannot be
President Kennedy's brain
1320
01:00:31,003 --> 01:00:34,965
in the photographs that
we have stored at the archives.
1321
01:00:34,965 --> 01:00:40,596
What we have here... is evidence
that impugns the authenticity
1322
01:00:40,596 --> 01:00:43,140
of the brain photographs
in the National Archives.
1323
01:00:43,307 --> 01:00:45,101
If there was a trial today,
1324
01:00:45,101 --> 01:00:48,104
these brain photographs would
not be admissible as evidence.
1325
01:00:50,106 --> 01:00:52,024
I'd hate to be
in your shoes today.
1326
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:54,235
You have a lot to think about.
1327
01:00:54,235 --> 01:00:55,569
You've seen
much hidden evidence
1328
01:00:55,569 --> 01:00:57,279
the American public
has never seen.
1329
01:00:58,989 --> 01:01:02,409
You know, going back
to when we were children,
1330
01:01:02,409 --> 01:01:04,453
I think that most of us
in this courtroom thought
1331
01:01:04,453 --> 01:01:07,123
that justice came
into being automatically.
1332
01:01:08,249 --> 01:01:09,875
That virtue was its own reward,
1333
01:01:09,875 --> 01:01:11,919
that-- that good
would triumph over evil.
1334
01:01:13,546 --> 01:01:17,341
But as we get older,
we know this just isn't true.
1335
01:01:17,341 --> 01:01:20,052
Individual human beings
have to create justice
1336
01:01:20,052 --> 01:01:21,178
and this is not easy,
1337
01:01:22,888 --> 01:01:26,267
because the truth
often poses a threat to power,
1338
01:01:26,433 --> 01:01:30,396
and one often has to fight power
at great risk to themselves.
1339
01:01:30,396 --> 01:01:32,064
[Goldberg]
The one physician present
1340
01:01:32,064 --> 01:01:35,192
at both Parkland Hospital
and the Bethesda morgue
1341
01:01:35,192 --> 01:01:36,610
was George Burkley,
1342
01:01:36,610 --> 01:01:39,238
Kennedy's personal doctor.
1343
01:01:39,238 --> 01:01:42,575
Arten Specter did not depose
George Burkley,
1344
01:01:42,575 --> 01:01:46,662
but Burkley did an interview
with the JFK Library in 1967,
1345
01:01:46,662 --> 01:01:48,789
and was asked this question.
1346
01:01:48,956 --> 01:01:50,166
[interviewer speaking]
1347
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,300
[interviewer] I see.
1348
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:01,844
[Miller] The reason
he didn't say anything was,
1349
01:02:01,844 --> 01:02:05,347
he was intimately involved
in the coverup.
1350
01:02:05,347 --> 01:02:08,058
[Goldberg] Burkley signed
the autopsy descriptive sheet
1351
01:02:08,058 --> 01:02:12,062
with a bullet in the back
at the level of T3.
1352
01:02:12,062 --> 01:02:14,523
And he also signed
Kennedy's death certificate,
1353
01:02:14,523 --> 01:02:17,067
which also placed
that wound in the back.
1354
01:02:17,234 --> 01:02:19,278
That death certificate
is not in
1355
01:02:19,278 --> 01:02:21,697
the Warren Commission volumes,
1356
01:02:21,697 --> 01:02:24,909
and the descriptive sheet
in the Commission volumes
1357
01:02:25,075 --> 01:02:27,119
does not have
Burkley's signature.
1358
01:02:28,746 --> 01:02:30,748
In 1977, through his lawyer,
1359
01:02:30,748 --> 01:02:33,083
he wrote a letter
to Richard Sprague,
1360
01:02:33,083 --> 01:02:34,752
Chief Counsel of the House
1361
01:02:34,752 --> 01:02:37,296
Select Committee
on Assassinations.
1362
01:02:37,296 --> 01:02:39,924
He said he had
information indicating
1363
01:02:39,924 --> 01:02:42,051
that others besides Oswald
1364
01:02:42,051 --> 01:02:44,929
must've participated
in the assassination.
1365
01:02:45,095 --> 01:02:48,557
He was willing
to talk about it at this time.
1366
01:02:48,557 --> 01:02:50,935
Sprague,
who made clear his intention
1367
01:02:50,935 --> 01:02:53,520
to fully investigate
the CIA's involvement,
1368
01:02:53,687 --> 01:02:55,606
was forced out two weeks later.
1369
01:02:55,606 --> 01:02:57,524
Dr. Burkley
submitted a written statement
1370
01:02:57,524 --> 01:02:59,735
to the House Select Committee,
1371
01:02:59,735 --> 01:03:01,612
but there is no official record
1372
01:03:01,612 --> 01:03:05,032
of him being
deposed as a witness.
1373
01:03:05,032 --> 01:03:08,994
In 1982, he told
JFK researcher Henry Hurt,
1374
01:03:08,994 --> 01:03:10,412
"I know there was
more than one gunman,”
1375
01:03:10,412 --> 01:03:11,830
and when Henry Hurt
1376
01:03:11,830 --> 01:03:13,791
tried to recontact
Burkley for more details,
1377
01:03:13,958 --> 01:03:15,167
Burkley
cut him off at the knees.
1378
01:03:15,167 --> 01:03:16,835
"I don't want to talk
about it anymore.”
1379
01:03:16,835 --> 01:03:18,254
The very next year,
Burkley talked
1380
01:03:18,254 --> 01:03:21,048
to Michael Kurtz,
another JFK researcher,
1381
01:03:21,048 --> 01:03:22,424
told him that he knew there was
1382
01:03:22,424 --> 01:03:24,051
a conspiracy
to kill the President
1383
01:03:24,051 --> 01:03:25,427
and that he recalled
an exit wound
1384
01:03:25,427 --> 01:03:27,638
in the back of
President Kennedy's head.
1385
01:03:27,638 --> 01:03:29,598
Now, that's
a very significant statement.
1386
01:03:29,598 --> 01:03:31,600
That the only doctor we know of
1387
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,436
who was present at
both Parkland for treatment,
1388
01:03:34,436 --> 01:03:36,146
and at Bethesda
during the autopsy,
1389
01:03:36,146 --> 01:03:38,524
told Michael Kurtz in 1983
1390
01:03:38,524 --> 01:03:40,818
that Kennedy had an exit wound
in the back of his head.
1391
01:03:40,818 --> 01:03:42,236
When Kurtz tried
to recontact Burkley,
1392
01:03:42,236 --> 01:03:44,571
Burkley cut him off
at the knees.
1393
01:03:44,571 --> 01:03:46,156
"I don't want to talk
about this anymore."
1394
01:03:46,323 --> 01:03:47,825
Dr. Burkley was deceased
by the time
1395
01:03:47,825 --> 01:03:49,576
the Review Board was impaneled.
1396
01:03:49,743 --> 01:03:52,037
So then Jeremy decided, well,
1397
01:03:52,037 --> 01:03:55,165
we can ask
the executor of his estate,
1398
01:03:55,165 --> 01:03:57,251
his daughter, to sign a waiver
1399
01:03:57,251 --> 01:03:59,586
so that we could
go to the law firm
1400
01:03:59,586 --> 01:04:01,297
that Mr. Illig
used to work for,
1401
01:04:01,297 --> 01:04:02,673
because he was deceased also,
1402
01:04:02,673 --> 01:04:04,008
and see if there were
1403
01:04:04,008 --> 01:04:05,718
any records
in the file of Mr. Illig
1404
01:04:05,718 --> 01:04:07,720
that would have
revealed what it was
1405
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,930
he wanted to tell
the HSCA in detail,
1406
01:04:09,930 --> 01:04:11,807
and she said she would do that.
1407
01:04:11,807 --> 01:04:13,100
And then Jeremy
called her on the phone,
1408
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:15,519
she had completely
changed her mind
1409
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:16,937
and adamantly
refused to sign it
1410
01:04:16,937 --> 01:04:19,023
and terminated the phone call.
1411
01:04:24,445 --> 01:04:26,363
The face sheet for the autopsy,
1412
01:04:26,363 --> 01:04:29,533
where it shows the front
and back silhouette of the body,
1413
01:04:29,533 --> 01:04:32,244
where you mark scars
and bullet wounds and things,
1414
01:04:32,411 --> 01:04:34,913
the face sheet
showed the bullet wound
1415
01:04:34,913 --> 01:04:39,877
in the back at the level
of thoracic vertebra T3,
1416
01:04:39,877 --> 01:04:42,921
which is five and a half
to six inches below.
1417
01:04:42,921 --> 01:04:44,673
[Goldberg]
That location coincided with
1418
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,510
what Sibert and O'Neill
wrote in their report.
1419
01:04:48,510 --> 01:04:52,139
And in order to make the facts
fit the single-bullet theory,
1420
01:04:52,139 --> 01:04:54,141
one bullet
doing all this damage,
1421
01:04:54,141 --> 01:04:57,936
the doctors needed an exit
point for the back wound.
1422
01:04:57,936 --> 01:05:01,398
The Warren Commission raised
the wound in the back
1423
01:05:01,398 --> 01:05:04,568
so that it would align
with the alleged exit wound
1424
01:05:04,568 --> 01:05:06,737
in the front of Kennedy's neck.
1425
01:05:06,737 --> 01:05:08,238
Commissioner Gerald Ford
1426
01:05:08,238 --> 01:05:10,866
did this simply
via the stroke of a pen,
1427
01:05:10,866 --> 01:05:13,327
changing the description
in their report
1428
01:05:13,327 --> 01:05:16,163
from back, to back of the neck.
1429
01:05:16,163 --> 01:05:18,582
As I recall,
they said about Gerald Ford
1430
01:05:18,582 --> 01:05:21,085
that he could not chew gum
and walk at the same time.
1431
01:05:21,085 --> 01:05:23,754
Now, all of a sudden, he
becomes a forensic pathologist,
1432
01:05:23,921 --> 01:05:26,590
and a photographer, and
a criminalist, and an expert,
1433
01:05:26,757 --> 01:05:29,343
and he knows where the bullet
hole was and he moved it up.
1434
01:05:29,343 --> 01:05:31,637
[Goldberg]
But then in 1979,
1435
01:05:31,637 --> 01:05:34,973
the House Select Committee
moved it lower in the back
1436
01:05:34,973 --> 01:05:37,601
because they had pictures
from the autopsy.
1437
01:05:37,601 --> 01:05:39,395
It is conceivable that,
at the time,
1438
01:05:39,395 --> 01:05:41,230
the Warren Commission thought
1439
01:05:41,230 --> 01:05:44,775
no one would ever
see the autopsy photos.
1440
01:05:44,775 --> 01:05:46,985
When the Review Board
declassified
1441
01:05:46,985 --> 01:05:49,071
the notation showing
what Ford had done,
1442
01:05:49,071 --> 01:05:51,907
the former commissioner replied
that it had nothing to do
1443
01:05:51,907 --> 01:05:54,368
with a conspiracy theory.
1444
01:05:54,368 --> 01:05:57,162
He was only trying
to be more precise.
1445
01:05:57,329 --> 01:06:00,749
This is directly contradicted
by a conversation Ford had
1446
01:06:00,916 --> 01:06:05,045
with French President
Valéry Giscard d'Estaing.
1447
01:06:05,045 --> 01:06:06,880
Ford told him
the assassination
1448
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,675
was not the work
of one person.
1449
01:06:09,675 --> 01:06:11,885
It was something set up.
1450
01:06:11,885 --> 01:06:14,054
"We were sure it was set up,
1451
01:06:14,054 --> 01:06:16,974
but we were not able
to discover by whom."
1452
01:06:19,435 --> 01:06:20,853
[Stone]
with all the documents
1453
01:06:20,853 --> 01:06:22,813
declassified
by the Review Board,
1454
01:06:22,980 --> 01:06:25,816
we can see
this scene in a new light.
1455
01:06:25,983 --> 01:06:29,069
In regards
to the JFK assassination,
1456
01:06:29,069 --> 01:06:32,865
conspiracy theories
are now conspiracy facts.
1457
01:06:33,824 --> 01:06:35,617
The forensics show evidence
1458
01:06:35,784 --> 01:06:37,244
of multiple shooters
with Oswald,
1459
01:06:37,244 --> 01:06:39,079
not even at
the sixth floor window
1460
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:41,540
at the time
of the assassination.
1461
01:06:41,540 --> 01:06:47,045
And his fingerprints not found
on the supposed murder weapon.
1462
01:06:47,212 --> 01:06:50,966
Still, there was no trial
for Lee Harvey Oswald.
1463
01:06:50,966 --> 01:06:52,301
These people
have given me a hearing
1464
01:06:52,301 --> 01:06:54,261
without legal representation
or anything.
1465
01:06:54,261 --> 01:06:55,679
[reporter]
Did you shoot the President?
1466
01:06:55,679 --> 01:06:58,140
I didn't shoot anybody, no, sir.
1467
01:06:58,140 --> 01:07:00,767
[Stone] Attorney Mark Lane
tried to represent Oswald
1468
01:07:00,976 --> 01:07:01,935
in the proceedings,
1469
01:07:02,102 --> 01:07:03,979
but was denied
by the Warren Commission.
1470
01:07:32,007 --> 01:07:35,135
Did the accused man
get a fair trial?
1471
01:07:35,135 --> 01:07:36,303
I can tell you
from my experiences
1472
01:07:36,303 --> 01:07:39,389
having tried several
hundred cases to verdict,
1473
01:07:39,389 --> 01:07:41,308
and being responsible
for thousands of cases
1474
01:07:41,475 --> 01:07:42,768
as head of the criminal courts
1475
01:07:42,768 --> 01:07:44,353
and running
the homicide bureau,
1476
01:07:44,353 --> 01:07:46,897
that I don't believe there's
any courtroom in America
1477
01:07:46,897 --> 01:07:48,732
where Oswald
would've been convicted
1478
01:07:48,732 --> 01:07:49,858
on the evidence
that was presented
1479
01:07:50,025 --> 01:07:52,319
before the Warren Commission.
1480
01:07:52,486 --> 01:07:56,156
[Stone] Instead of a jury
of 12 American citizens,
1481
01:07:56,156 --> 01:07:58,825
judgment was passed
by a panel of seven
1482
01:07:58,825 --> 01:08:02,329
appointed wise men
and career statesmen.
1483
01:08:02,329 --> 01:08:06,792
A judgment perpetuated
by the media at that time.
1484
01:08:06,792 --> 01:08:09,211
Looking at the
declassified documents,
1485
01:08:09,211 --> 01:08:11,004
we see there's
even more mystery
1486
01:08:11,004 --> 01:08:13,799
behind Oswald to uncover.
1487
01:08:13,966 --> 01:08:17,844
A man who was,
in his own words, a patsy.
1488
01:08:17,844 --> 01:08:20,931
Murdered on live television.
1489
01:08:20,931 --> 01:08:22,891
[reporter 1]
This was the dreary funeral
1490
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:24,226
of Lee Harvey Oswald,
1491
01:08:24,226 --> 01:08:28,188
alleged murderer
of President Kennedy.
1492
01:08:28,188 --> 01:08:30,482
Burial was in
an otherwise empty plot
1493
01:08:30,482 --> 01:08:33,694
in Rose Hill Cemetery
outside Fort Worth.
1494
01:08:33,694 --> 01:08:35,821
A plot that we were told
was bought
1495
01:08:35,821 --> 01:08:38,031
long ago by Oswald"s mother.
1496
01:08:38,031 --> 01:08:41,034
No one was on hand
for the funeral as mourners,
1497
01:08:41,034 --> 01:08:44,454
except the family
of the dead man.
1498
01:08:44,454 --> 01:08:46,540
[reporter 2]
Oswald spent his early years
1499
01:08:46,748 --> 01:08:47,624
in an orphanage.
1500
01:08:47,624 --> 01:08:51,795
At the age of 17,
he joined the US Marine Corps.
1501
01:08:51,795 --> 01:08:53,171
A year later, he was sent
1502
01:08:53,338 --> 01:08:56,508
to one of the most
secret US bases in the world,
1503
01:08:56,508 --> 01:08:58,176
Atsugi in Japan.
1504
01:08:58,176 --> 01:09:00,846
From here,
the CIA operated spy flights
1505
01:09:00,846 --> 01:09:02,472
over communist China
1506
01:09:02,472 --> 01:09:04,975
using U-2
reconnaissance planes.
1507
01:09:06,727 --> 01:09:10,439
[Goldberg] During the 1975
Church Committee investigation
1508
01:09:10,606 --> 01:09:13,191
of US intelligence activities,
1509
01:09:13,191 --> 01:09:14,860
Committee member
Richard Schweiker
1510
01:09:14,860 --> 01:09:17,279
remarked about Oswald,
1511
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:20,115
that everywhere
you looked with him,
1512
01:09:20,115 --> 01:09:23,493
there are fingerprints
of intelligence.
1513
01:09:23,660 --> 01:09:25,746
[man] Many people
said he was a forthright,
1514
01:09:25,954 --> 01:09:26,955
upstanding American
1515
01:09:26,955 --> 01:09:28,498
as a young person,
1516
01:09:28,498 --> 01:09:32,085
and yet they later depicted him
as a Castro-loving,
1517
01:09:32,252 --> 01:09:35,255
Cuban-loving,
Russian-loving person.
1518
01:09:35,255 --> 01:09:37,132
[Jefferson Morley]
In the spring of 1963,
1519
01:09:37,132 --> 01:09:39,051
Oswald started
handing out pamphlets
1520
01:09:39,217 --> 01:09:41,303
for the Fair Play
for Cuba Committee,
1521
01:09:41,303 --> 01:09:44,181
a pro-Castro, pro-Cuban
Revolution group
1522
01:09:44,181 --> 01:09:47,100
that was popular
on college campuses.
1523
01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:50,562
And some of them,
he stamped "544 Camp Street,”
1524
01:09:50,562 --> 01:09:54,066
which was an office
in downtown, uh, New Orleans
1525
01:09:54,066 --> 01:09:56,693
near where
the CIA's offices were,
1526
01:09:56,693 --> 01:09:58,445
right across the street,
in fact.
1527
01:09:58,445 --> 01:10:01,657
There was also the home of
the Cuban Revolutionary Council,
1528
01:10:01,657 --> 01:10:04,534
which was
the leading anti-Castro group.
1529
01:10:04,534 --> 01:10:08,789
Why would a pro-Castro activist
put his headquarters
1530
01:10:08,789 --> 01:10:10,457
in the same headquarters
1531
01:10:10,457 --> 01:10:13,168
as the leading anti-Castro
group in the country?
1532
01:10:14,836 --> 01:10:16,713
'Cause he was a provocateur.
1533
01:10:16,713 --> 01:10:19,299
This gets back to being
an agent or a double agent,
1534
01:10:19,299 --> 01:10:21,259
because he played both roles.
1535
01:10:21,259 --> 01:10:25,305
Here was Oswald
who had two associations.
1536
01:10:25,305 --> 01:10:27,516
One, he has a group
of anti-Castro Cubans.
1537
01:10:27,516 --> 01:10:29,935
At the same time,
he was handing out leaflets
1538
01:10:29,935 --> 01:10:31,144
for the Fair Play
for Cuba committee,
1539
01:10:31,144 --> 01:10:33,105
uh, with the other side
of the fence.
1540
01:10:33,105 --> 01:10:36,066
So the two groups that had
the most motivation
1541
01:10:36,066 --> 01:10:38,944
to assassinate the President,
he was dealing with.
1542
01:10:40,278 --> 01:10:42,531
[Goldberg]
And not surprisingly,
1543
01:10:42,531 --> 01:10:45,992
many of these groups were
known and, in some cases
1544
01:10:45,992 --> 01:10:47,953
supported,
by the US government.
1545
01:10:48,954 --> 01:10:51,540
In the spring of 1963,
1546
01:10:51,540 --> 01:10:55,794
Oswald began associating with
men who, it would be revealed,
1547
01:10:55,794 --> 01:10:59,881
had clear connections
with these government efforts.
1548
01:10:59,881 --> 01:11:01,883
One of these men, David Ferrie,
1549
01:11:01,883 --> 01:11:07,305
had been with Oswald in the
Civil Air Patrol back in 1955,
1550
01:11:07,305 --> 01:11:10,392
and was known as
an extreme anti-Communist.
1551
01:11:10,392 --> 01:11:14,271
He was also a trainer
and a pilot for the CIA
1552
01:11:14,271 --> 01:11:17,149
in its secret war against Cuba.
1553
01:11:17,149 --> 01:11:18,775
Oswald was involved with these
1554
01:11:18,775 --> 01:11:21,987
Cuban exile training
activities with Ferrie.
1555
01:11:23,238 --> 01:11:25,365
I do know
that I saw him one time
1556
01:11:25,365 --> 01:11:28,952
with a man
by the name of Guy Banister.
1557
01:11:28,952 --> 01:11:32,205
And, uh, what Guy's role was
1558
01:11:32,205 --> 01:11:35,876
in all of this,
I-- I really don't know.
1559
01:11:35,876 --> 01:11:38,795
[Goldberg] Banister
was an extreme right-winger
1560
01:11:38,795 --> 01:11:40,756
who was close to the FBI,
1561
01:11:40,922 --> 01:11:44,426
the CIA,
and the American Nazi Party.
1562
01:11:44,426 --> 01:11:50,348
Banister gave Oswald his own
office at 544 Camp Street.
1563
01:11:50,348 --> 01:11:53,435
Oswald now began
to use his office
1564
01:11:53,435 --> 01:11:57,689
to print up and stamp
pro-Castro literature.
1565
01:11:57,689 --> 01:12:01,818
After the assassination, when
the FBI questioned Banister,
1566
01:12:01,818 --> 01:12:04,404
a former FBI agent himself,
1567
01:12:04,404 --> 01:12:08,700
they did not ask him
about Oswald.
1568
01:12:08,700 --> 01:12:12,412
At some point, the FBI, I think
probably after the assassination
1569
01:12:12,412 --> 01:12:14,998
decided they didn't--
they wanted to disconnect
1570
01:12:14,998 --> 01:12:17,167
Oswald from the FBI,
1571
01:12:17,167 --> 01:12:20,253
and-- and of course, Banister,
who's associated with the FBI,
1572
01:12:20,253 --> 01:12:22,881
would have to be
disconnected as well.
1573
01:12:22,881 --> 01:12:23,840
The problem with that,
1574
01:12:24,007 --> 01:12:25,842
many of those handbills had
1575
01:12:26,009 --> 01:12:28,637
the 544 Camp Street
address on them.
1576
01:12:28,804 --> 01:12:32,474
There was a message
from New Orleans to the Bureau
1577
01:12:32,474 --> 01:12:35,227
written by Special Agent May nor,
1578
01:12:35,227 --> 01:12:38,230
uh, who actually
mentioned pamphlets
1579
01:12:38,230 --> 01:12:40,941
that had the 544
Camp Street address on it.
1580
01:12:40,941 --> 01:12:44,110
And before that message was sent,
it was scratched out.
1581
01:12:45,612 --> 01:12:48,031
[Goldberg] The Warren
Commission pushed the idea
1582
01:12:48,198 --> 01:12:50,450
that Oswald
was a staunch communist,
1583
01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:52,619
citing evidence
of his defection
1584
01:12:52,786 --> 01:12:56,289
to the Soviet Union in 1959.
1585
01:12:56,289 --> 01:12:59,042
His trip to Russia raised
a number of questions
1586
01:12:59,042 --> 01:13:00,752
that we wanted to get into.
1587
01:13:00,752 --> 01:13:07,551
For example, when
any American went to Russia
1588
01:13:07,551 --> 01:13:10,136
and renounced
his American citizenship,
1589
01:13:10,136 --> 01:13:12,639
and subsequently
changed his mind
1590
01:13:12,639 --> 01:13:16,017
and wanted to come back
to this country.
1591
01:13:16,017 --> 01:13:18,144
Upon returning to this country,
1592
01:13:18,144 --> 01:13:20,438
there was a thorough debriefing
1593
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:24,109
by the CIA,
1594
01:13:24,109 --> 01:13:28,154
with one exception, as far
as we can ascertain, Oswald.
1595
01:13:29,614 --> 01:13:32,492
Now, that smacks
of an intelligence relationship.
1596
01:13:32,659 --> 01:13:33,910
[reporter]
Did you kill the President?
1597
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:35,412
No, they're taking me in
1598
01:13:35,412 --> 01:13:37,998
because of the fact that
I lived in the Soviet Union.
1599
01:13:39,749 --> 01:13:42,252
[Goldberg]
State Department Intelligence
1600
01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:43,753
Officer Otto Otepka
1601
01:13:43,753 --> 01:13:47,132
had noted the marked increase
in the number of Americans
1602
01:13:47,132 --> 01:13:49,634
defecting to Russia
at the time.
1603
01:13:49,634 --> 01:13:53,555
He also noted that some of them
came from the military.
1604
01:13:53,555 --> 01:13:56,725
He, therefore, suspected
that some of these men
1605
01:13:56,892 --> 01:13:58,768
were fake defectors.
1606
01:13:58,768 --> 01:14:00,770
They had been assigned
by the CIA
1607
01:14:00,770 --> 01:14:04,774
to garner intelligence
behind the Iron Curtain.
1608
01:14:04,774 --> 01:14:09,279
He sent a letter to the CIA
asking which ones were real
1609
01:14:09,279 --> 01:14:12,115
and which were their agents.
1610
01:14:12,115 --> 01:14:16,536
Oswald was one of the names
on Otepka's list.
1611
01:14:16,536 --> 01:14:19,998
Otepka's request was forwarded
to James Angle ton,
1612
01:14:19,998 --> 01:14:21,833
Chief of Counterintelligence.
1613
01:14:21,833 --> 01:14:25,587
He instructed that there be
no research done on Oswald,
1614
01:14:25,587 --> 01:14:29,799
but Otepka continued to work
on the Oswald case.
1615
01:14:29,799 --> 01:14:31,593
The thing of significance
1616
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,220
was that he was really
interested in Lee Harvey Oswald
1617
01:14:34,220 --> 01:14:36,640
before the assassination,
1618
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:41,478
and he actually had a study
of these defectors in his safe.
1619
01:14:41,478 --> 01:14:44,606
Well, things got worse.
His office was not only bugged,
1620
01:14:44,606 --> 01:14:47,233
they planted people in
his office to spy on him.
1621
01:14:47,233 --> 01:14:51,237
They started putting confidential
documents in his burn bag,
1622
01:14:51,237 --> 01:14:52,781
and then tried
to blame him in saying
1623
01:14:52,781 --> 01:14:54,491
he's burning
confidential documents.
1624
01:14:54,491 --> 01:14:56,534
The guy has gone,
you know, wacko.
1625
01:14:56,701 --> 01:14:58,370
[Goldberg] As a result,
1626
01:14:58,536 --> 01:15:01,456
he was formally removed
from the State Department
1627
01:15:01,456 --> 01:15:04,501
on November 5th, 1963,
1628
01:15:04,501 --> 01:15:07,796
just 17 days
before the assassination.
1629
01:15:07,796 --> 01:15:11,466
So you will not see Otepka's
name in the Warren Report.
1630
01:15:11,466 --> 01:15:15,095
And he was not called as
a witness before that body.
1631
01:15:15,095 --> 01:15:17,555
In fact, Angle ton, the man
1632
01:15:17,555 --> 01:15:21,726
who had access to all
the Oswald files at the CIA,
1633
01:15:21,726 --> 01:15:23,895
coordinated
the agency's response
1634
01:15:23,895 --> 01:15:27,273
to the Warren Commission's
requests.
1635
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:29,442
[reporter]
The CIA Deputy Director
1636
01:15:29,651 --> 01:15:31,152
of Plans, Richard Helms,
1637
01:15:31,152 --> 01:15:32,821
swore to the Warren Commission
1638
01:15:32,821 --> 01:15:34,698
that the agency never had
1639
01:15:34,698 --> 01:15:38,076
or contemplated
any contact with Oswald.
1640
01:15:38,076 --> 01:15:41,079
The line that the CIA fed
the Warren Commission,
1641
01:15:41,079 --> 01:15:43,456
that they really didn't know
anything about this guy.
1642
01:15:43,623 --> 01:15:46,710
We now know that
that was complete nonsense.
1643
01:15:46,710 --> 01:15:50,255
Oswald was
a figure of intense interest
1644
01:15:50,255 --> 01:15:52,966
for four years
before the assassination.
1645
01:15:52,966 --> 01:15:56,928
And a dozen senior CIA officers
1646
01:15:56,928 --> 01:15:58,680
were very
well acquainted with him.
1647
01:15:58,847 --> 01:16:01,474
Everything he did,
where he went,
1648
01:16:01,474 --> 01:16:04,019
what his politics were,
his family life.
1649
01:16:04,019 --> 01:16:07,731
I mean, remember, they were
reading his mother's mail.
1650
01:16:07,731 --> 01:16:09,858
That's how closely
they were watching him
1651
01:16:09,858 --> 01:16:12,527
right up until
Kennedy was killed.
1652
01:16:12,527 --> 01:16:15,113
And then Kennedy was killed,
Oswald"s arrested,
1653
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,992
and they say, "Oh,
we know nothing about this man."”
1654
01:16:18,992 --> 01:16:22,662
[Goldberg]
In fact, ARRB records show
1655
01:16:22,662 --> 01:16:27,000
that Angle ton and the CIA were
receiving reports on Oswald
1656
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,754
up until one week
before the assassination.
1657
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:32,547
So, you know,
the whole investigation
1658
01:16:32,714 --> 01:16:35,675
would have been
totally different
1659
01:16:35,675 --> 01:16:38,970
if-- if the public and
the investigators had known
1660
01:16:38,970 --> 01:16:42,640
just how much the CIA knew
about the alleged lone nut.
1661
01:16:45,226 --> 01:16:48,646
[Goldberg] One of the places
Oswald leafleted in front of
1662
01:16:48,646 --> 01:16:52,067
was Clay Shaw's
International Trade Mart.
1663
01:16:52,067 --> 01:16:56,321
Shaw, who was arrested by
New Orleans DA Jim Garrison
1664
01:16:56,488 --> 01:16:58,907
on charges that he
was part of the conspiracy
1665
01:16:59,074 --> 01:17:00,992
to kill President Kennedy,
1666
01:17:00,992 --> 01:17:05,163
always denied he was
associated with the CIA.
1667
01:17:05,163 --> 01:17:06,372
[interviewer]
You have never yourself had
1668
01:17:06,581 --> 01:17:07,248
any CIA connection?
1669
01:17:07,248 --> 01:17:08,458
None whatsoever.
1670
01:17:08,458 --> 01:17:09,584
Any association
with the organization?
1671
01:17:09,751 --> 01:17:10,877
Not a one.
1672
01:17:10,877 --> 01:17:12,754
[Goldberg]
The Review Board has shown
1673
01:17:12,754 --> 01:17:15,173
these denials to be false.
1674
01:17:15,173 --> 01:17:18,676
Shaw was both a highly valued
contract agent
1675
01:17:18,676 --> 01:17:21,221
and had
a covert security clearance
1676
01:17:21,221 --> 01:17:25,058
for a project code
named QKENCHANT.
1677
01:17:27,227 --> 01:17:29,270
New Orleans attorney
Dean Andrews
1678
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:32,023
had worked with Oswald
in May of '63
1679
01:17:32,023 --> 01:17:35,401
in an attempt to upgrade
his military discharge
1680
01:17:35,401 --> 01:17:37,821
from its "undesirable" status.
1681
01:17:37,987 --> 01:17:42,617
After the assassination, a man
calling himself Clay Bertrand
1682
01:17:42,617 --> 01:17:46,204
phoned Andrews and asked him
to consider going to Dallas
1683
01:17:46,371 --> 01:17:48,623
to defend Oswald.
1684
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:52,836
Under oath, Clay Shaw denied
that he was Clay Bertrand,
1685
01:17:52,836 --> 01:17:54,629
and Andrews claimed
that because
1686
01:17:54,796 --> 01:17:57,257
of the medication he was on,
1687
01:17:57,257 --> 01:17:59,884
he had only imagined
the phone call.
1688
01:17:59,884 --> 01:18:02,387
But today, because of the work
1689
01:18:02,387 --> 01:18:04,764
of the Assassination
Records Review Board,
1690
01:18:04,764 --> 01:18:08,143
we now have evidence
and 12 people who confirmed
1691
01:18:08,143 --> 01:18:10,937
that Shaw
used this name as an alias.
1692
01:18:10,937 --> 01:18:14,107
Andrews later admitted
that Shaw was Bertrand
1693
01:18:14,107 --> 01:18:16,109
to author Harold Weisberg,
1694
01:18:16,276 --> 01:18:18,486
but made him promise
not to reveal this
1695
01:18:18,653 --> 01:18:20,864
until after Andrews' death.
1696
01:18:24,117 --> 01:18:25,952
[John Newman] In the FBI,
1697
01:18:25,952 --> 01:18:30,748
uh, a stop or flash was placed
on Oswald"s files,
1698
01:18:30,748 --> 01:18:34,169
which meant that no one
1699
01:18:34,169 --> 01:18:37,172
could ask for
a document in those files,
1700
01:18:37,172 --> 01:18:40,633
or no one could even add
a document to those files
1701
01:18:40,633 --> 01:18:44,762
without going through
the FBI's espionage division.
1702
01:18:44,762 --> 01:18:47,515
And that lasted for four years.
1703
01:18:47,682 --> 01:18:50,768
It was essentially
a blinking red light
1704
01:18:50,768 --> 01:18:52,979
on Oswald's files at FBI.
1705
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:57,901
On 8 October, 1963,
1706
01:18:58,067 --> 01:19:01,362
an FBI agent whose name
was Marvin Gheesling
1707
01:19:01,529 --> 01:19:04,282
took that status
off of Oswald's files.
1708
01:19:06,492 --> 01:19:08,995
What that action did
was to lower
1709
01:19:08,995 --> 01:19:13,249
Oswald's threat profile
at the FBI
1710
01:19:13,249 --> 01:19:16,836
just weeks before
the Kennedy assassination.
1711
01:19:16,836 --> 01:19:19,714
And what that would mean
is there was no reason
1712
01:19:19,714 --> 01:19:23,051
to put Oswald's name
on the security index.
1713
01:19:23,051 --> 01:19:25,345
One thing
about the security index
1714
01:19:25,345 --> 01:19:27,639
is when you have
a Presidential motorcade
1715
01:19:27,639 --> 01:19:29,974
going through
a particular route,
1716
01:19:30,141 --> 01:19:31,643
anybody who's on that index
1717
01:19:31,643 --> 01:19:33,436
has to be removed
from where they are.
1718
01:19:33,436 --> 01:19:35,355
They cannot be
on the parade route.
1719
01:19:35,355 --> 01:19:37,190
And, of course, that exposes
1720
01:19:37,357 --> 01:19:39,776
the President
to a dangerous situation
1721
01:19:39,776 --> 01:19:41,402
that he shouldn't have been in.
1722
01:19:41,402 --> 01:19:44,572
That action at the FBI
didn't happen in isolation.
1723
01:19:44,739 --> 01:19:49,577
The same thing happened at CIA
at exactly the same time.
1724
01:19:49,744 --> 01:19:51,537
[Stone]
Who was the CIA's liaison
1725
01:19:51,746 --> 01:19:52,830
they chose to work
1726
01:19:52,830 --> 01:19:56,209
with the House Select
Committee in 19782
1727
01:19:56,209 --> 01:19:57,168
George Joannides.
1728
01:19:57,335 --> 01:19:59,170
He was the case officer
1729
01:19:59,170 --> 01:20:01,005
for the Cuban students
1730
01:20:01,172 --> 01:20:03,591
who had a series of encounters
with Oswald
1731
01:20:03,758 --> 01:20:05,426
before the assassination.
1732
01:20:05,426 --> 01:20:07,845
And then, 13 years later,
1733
01:20:07,845 --> 01:20:10,640
when Congress
reopens the investigation,
1734
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,434
the CIA calls Joannides
out of retirement,
1735
01:20:13,434 --> 01:20:15,395
and make him the point person
1736
01:20:15,561 --> 01:20:17,897
to deal with
the Congressional investigators
1737
01:20:17,897 --> 01:20:19,565
who are looking into the CIA's
1738
01:20:19,565 --> 01:20:22,402
possible role
in the assassination.
1739
01:20:22,402 --> 01:20:24,779
The HSCA
knew nothing about this,
1740
01:20:24,779 --> 01:20:26,406
and I went to Bob Blakey,
1741
01:20:26,406 --> 01:20:29,117
the head of
the HSCA investigation,
1742
01:20:29,117 --> 01:20:31,536
and I said, "Bob, did you ever
know this guy, Joannides?"
1743
01:20:31,536 --> 01:20:33,496
And he said, "Yeah, you know,
we dealt with him a lot.
1744
01:20:33,496 --> 01:20:35,123
He was the liaison."
1745
01:20:35,123 --> 01:20:37,834
And I said, "Did you know
what he was doing in 1963?"
1746
01:20:37,834 --> 01:20:40,003
And he said, "He wasn't
doing anything in 1963.
1747
01:20:40,169 --> 01:20:41,629
"We had
an agreement with the CIA
1748
01:20:41,629 --> 01:20:43,047
"that nobody
who was operational
1749
01:20:43,047 --> 01:20:44,799
"at the time
of the assassination
1750
01:20:44,799 --> 01:20:46,801
would be involved
in the investigation.”
1751
01:20:46,968 --> 01:20:50,680
And I said, "Bob, Joannides
was running those Cubans
1752
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,141
"who were in touch with Oswald.
He was running the Cubans
1753
01:20:53,141 --> 01:20:55,435
"who were blaming Castro
for the assassination.
1754
01:20:55,435 --> 01:20:58,980
"He was Dick Helms'
hand-picked man in Miami,
1755
01:20:58,980 --> 01:21:01,816
"controlling the group that
had the most to do with Oswald
1756
01:21:01,983 --> 01:21:04,110
"before and after
the assassination.
1757
01:21:04,110 --> 01:21:06,362
And then he came along
and he stonewalled you."
1758
01:21:06,362 --> 01:21:09,073
The reason why they brought
Joannides in to do it
1759
01:21:09,073 --> 01:21:12,076
was to hide
the connection to Oswald.
1760
01:21:12,076 --> 01:21:14,495
He was definitely shocked
because
1761
01:21:14,495 --> 01:21:17,123
he saw just how clever
they had been.
1762
01:21:17,123 --> 01:21:20,209
They had gone right to
the heart of his investigation,
1763
01:21:20,209 --> 01:21:22,003
and figured out
how to paralyze it.
1764
01:21:22,003 --> 01:21:23,713
I remember that he said,
you know,
1765
01:21:23,713 --> 01:21:27,050
"I'll never believe anything
the CIA tells me again.”
1766
01:21:29,260 --> 01:21:30,845
[Goldberg]
Even the Assassination Records
1767
01:21:31,054 --> 01:21:31,596
Review Board
1768
01:21:31,596 --> 01:21:35,516
had trouble getting documents
from government agencies.
1769
01:21:35,516 --> 01:21:39,103
What were some of your difficulties
working with the CIA?
1770
01:21:39,103 --> 01:21:43,107
One of the censors at the CIA
was at a meeting with us,
1771
01:21:43,107 --> 01:21:46,778
and there was a document
that we put up on the screen
1772
01:21:46,778 --> 01:21:48,404
and said,
"We are prepared to release it."
1773
01:21:49,447 --> 01:21:50,656
And I asked him, you know,
1774
01:21:50,823 --> 01:21:53,284
"Tell us why we shouldn't
release this record?"
1775
01:21:53,284 --> 01:21:55,787
And it was silence
for about two minutes.
1776
01:21:55,787 --> 01:21:58,915
And he finally said,
"I know there is a reason,
1777
01:21:58,915 --> 01:22:01,376
I just can't think
of what it is."
1778
01:22:02,752 --> 01:22:04,128
[Goldberg]
In late 1992,
1779
01:22:04,295 --> 01:22:07,548
a month after
the Records Act was passed,
1780
01:22:07,715 --> 01:22:11,260
the Secret Service began
its compliance plan.
1781
01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:14,389
But by January of 1995,
1782
01:22:14,389 --> 01:22:18,142
it had begun destroying
important documents.
1783
01:22:18,309 --> 01:22:21,312
The destruction of records
is actually referenced
1784
01:22:21,312 --> 01:22:25,900
in the Assassination Records
Review Board final, uh, report.
1785
01:22:25,900 --> 01:22:29,195
Very, um, very disappointing.
1786
01:22:29,195 --> 01:22:31,364
Uh, they were records
that related to trips
1787
01:22:31,364 --> 01:22:35,910
that President Kennedy had
taken, uh, in the fall of 1963
1788
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:38,704
prior to him going to Dallas.
1789
01:22:38,704 --> 01:22:40,164
[John R. Tunheim]
There were many threats made
1790
01:22:40,373 --> 01:22:41,332
to President Kennedy's life
1791
01:22:41,332 --> 01:22:43,459
during the year 1963.
1792
01:22:43,459 --> 01:22:45,169
They're called threat sheets.
1793
01:22:45,169 --> 01:22:47,004
And the Secret Service
fought us
1794
01:22:47,004 --> 01:22:49,132
on release of those records.
1795
01:22:49,132 --> 01:22:50,550
They even enlisted
1796
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:53,219
Vice President Gore's
wife to help them,
1797
01:22:53,219 --> 01:22:55,805
because she had
a very legitimate concern
1798
01:22:55,805 --> 01:22:57,348
for mental health records.
1799
01:22:57,515 --> 01:23:00,977
And the idea was that this might
disclose the names of people
1800
01:23:00,977 --> 01:23:02,895
who had mental health problems.
1801
01:23:02,895 --> 01:23:06,065
In the end, when we required
agencies to disclose,
1802
01:23:06,065 --> 01:23:08,067
to swear under oath
that they had
1803
01:23:08,067 --> 01:23:09,986
located all
assassination records,
1804
01:23:10,153 --> 01:23:12,238
had turned
everything over to us,
1805
01:23:12,405 --> 01:23:16,659
the Secret Service refused
to sign the document under oath.
1806
01:23:16,659 --> 01:23:17,869
I think that was telling.
1807
01:23:19,620 --> 01:23:22,582
[Goldberg] Few people knew
that there had been at least
1808
01:23:22,582 --> 01:23:27,170
two prior plots to kill
President Kennedy in 1963.
1809
01:23:27,170 --> 01:23:29,881
One was in Chicago
on November 2nd.
1810
01:23:29,881 --> 01:23:33,676
The second was in Tampa
on November 18th.
1811
01:23:33,676 --> 01:23:36,429
Kennedy ended up
not going to Chicago.
1812
01:23:36,429 --> 01:23:37,930
Tell us about that plot.
1813
01:23:37,930 --> 01:23:41,434
An informant, on October 31st,
1814
01:23:41,434 --> 01:23:45,938
an informant named Lee
gave a warning to the FBI
1815
01:23:45,938 --> 01:23:48,858
stating that four Cubans
1816
01:23:48,858 --> 01:23:51,235
were headed to Chicago
to shoot Kennedy.
1817
01:23:51,402 --> 01:23:55,156
The following day, a landlady
reported to the Chicago police
1818
01:23:55,156 --> 01:23:57,867
that she had rented
a room to four people
1819
01:23:57,867 --> 01:23:59,952
that had rifles
with telescopic sights
1820
01:23:59,952 --> 01:24:01,913
and a sketch of the motorcade.
1821
01:24:02,079 --> 01:24:05,124
The FBI passed that on
to the Secret Service,
1822
01:24:05,291 --> 01:24:08,628
and the Secret Service
botched the surveillance
1823
01:24:08,628 --> 01:24:09,879
of these four individuals.
1824
01:24:09,879 --> 01:24:11,297
Two of them escaped,
1825
01:24:11,464 --> 01:24:13,716
but they actually picked up
two of the snipers,
1826
01:24:13,716 --> 01:24:14,884
and they detained them.
1827
01:24:15,051 --> 01:24:17,386
They were stonewalled
by the snipers.
1828
01:24:17,386 --> 01:24:19,138
They didn't get
any information out of them.
1829
01:24:19,138 --> 01:24:22,517
While this was going on, there
was another threat coming in
1830
01:24:22,683 --> 01:24:27,688
from another alternate patsy
named Thomas Arthur Vallee,
1831
01:24:27,688 --> 01:24:29,106
who was making
open and loud threats
1832
01:24:29,106 --> 01:24:31,734
that he would
assassinate Kennedy.
1833
01:24:31,734 --> 01:24:35,321
They only picked him up
when Kennedy canceled his trip,
1834
01:24:35,321 --> 01:24:38,908
on November 2nd
at 10:00 in the morning.
1835
01:24:39,075 --> 01:24:43,329
What you found in Vallee
and the whole Chicago plot
1836
01:24:43,329 --> 01:24:47,083
is so many similarities to what
eventually happened in Dallas
1837
01:24:47,250 --> 01:24:50,127
that it can't be
considered coincidental.
1838
01:24:50,127 --> 01:24:54,549
Vallee, if we compare him
to Oswald, is an ex-Marine.
1839
01:24:54,549 --> 01:24:57,301
He had been posted,
like Oswald, in the Far East
1840
01:24:57,468 --> 01:25:00,638
on a station
that was linked to the CIA
1841
01:25:00,638 --> 01:25:03,849
because there were
U-2 surveillance planes on it.
1842
01:25:03,849 --> 01:25:07,812
It was easy to portray him
as disgruntled, anti-Kennedy,
1843
01:25:07,812 --> 01:25:09,689
a loner, armed.
1844
01:25:09,689 --> 01:25:12,400
Uh, he had
another intelligence link
1845
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,986
that he shared with Oswald.
1846
01:25:15,152 --> 01:25:17,780
He trained Cuban exiles
for combat,
1847
01:25:17,780 --> 01:25:20,408
which was a CIA responsibility.
1848
01:25:20,408 --> 01:25:23,661
And Oswald, we know,
at least offered to do that.
1849
01:25:23,661 --> 01:25:27,790
He most likely did train Cuban
exiles, but we know he tried to.
1850
01:25:27,790 --> 01:25:29,959
Oswald, as we know,
was moved
1851
01:25:30,126 --> 01:25:33,838
from New Orleans
to Dallas in October
1852
01:25:33,838 --> 01:25:35,298
to be there just
at the right time...
1853
01:25:36,382 --> 01:25:37,842
for the motorcade.
1854
01:25:37,842 --> 01:25:41,053
And he's placed in a tall building,
where he gets a job.
1855
01:25:41,053 --> 01:25:44,348
He's adjacent
to the perfect kill zone.
1856
01:25:44,348 --> 01:25:47,268
Now, if we look at what
happened to, uh, Vallee,
1857
01:25:47,268 --> 01:25:50,021
he's moved like a pawn,
in August,
1858
01:25:50,021 --> 01:25:53,024
from Long Island to Chicago
1859
01:25:53,024 --> 01:25:54,900
to be there in time
for the motorcade.
1860
01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:56,360
And where does he get a job?
1861
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,780
In a tall building
adjacent to the motorcade
1862
01:25:59,780 --> 01:26:02,450
with a perfect view
of a kill zone.
1863
01:26:02,450 --> 01:26:05,036
It would have
forced Kennedy's motorcade
1864
01:26:05,036 --> 01:26:07,496
to do a sharp turn, slow down,
1865
01:26:07,496 --> 01:26:08,706
and be in a point
1866
01:26:08,706 --> 01:26:11,792
where you could've had
perfect triangulation of fire.
1867
01:26:11,792 --> 01:26:13,252
And what about
the trip to Florida?
1868
01:26:13,419 --> 01:26:14,879
On November 18th,
1869
01:26:14,879 --> 01:26:17,131
Kennedy was scheduled
1870
01:26:17,131 --> 01:26:19,592
to do a 27-mile-long
motorcade in Tampa.
1871
01:26:19,592 --> 01:26:24,096
Secret Service was very nervous
about the Floridian Hotel
1872
01:26:24,263 --> 01:26:25,931
where the motorcade
would've gone by.
1873
01:26:25,931 --> 01:26:27,308
It would have
forced a sharp turn.
1874
01:26:27,308 --> 01:26:30,353
Nobody fired away at him.
But in this case,
1875
01:26:30,353 --> 01:26:34,649
the patsy would've been
a Gilbert Policarpo Lopez.
1876
01:26:34,649 --> 01:26:36,233
He was a Cuban exile.
1877
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:40,488
He attended Fair Play
for Cuba Committee meetings.
1878
01:26:40,488 --> 01:26:43,491
And what do you think
was the relevance of it?
1879
01:26:43,491 --> 01:26:45,076
[Paul Bleau]
Well, if he had been
1880
01:26:45,284 --> 01:26:46,494
assassinated in Tampa,
1881
01:26:46,494 --> 01:26:49,497
Lopez, he would've been
the, uh, potential patsy,
1882
01:26:49,497 --> 01:26:52,875
if they had to admit
to a front shot...
1883
01:26:52,875 --> 01:26:55,127
because Oswald was behind.
1884
01:26:55,127 --> 01:26:58,923
There were rumors
that he had assisted Oswald
1885
01:26:58,923 --> 01:27:00,591
in the assassination in Dallas.
1886
01:27:00,591 --> 01:27:03,761
Had anyone-- anyone tried to speak
to the Warren Commission
1887
01:27:03,761 --> 01:27:05,596
about these incidents?
1888
01:27:05,596 --> 01:27:07,598
[Bleau]
Abraham Bolden
1889
01:27:07,598 --> 01:27:10,184
was the first Black
Secret Service agent
1890
01:27:10,184 --> 01:27:12,228
assigned to
the White House detail,
1891
01:27:12,228 --> 01:27:14,188
and he was
hand-picked by Kennedy.
1892
01:27:14,188 --> 01:27:16,774
He was in Chicago,
uh, when this plot went down.
1893
01:27:16,774 --> 01:27:20,569
So he was there when
the Secret Service was briefed
1894
01:27:20,569 --> 01:27:22,238
about the four snipers.
1895
01:27:22,238 --> 01:27:24,448
And he witnessed how much
1896
01:27:24,448 --> 01:27:27,576
the security
was lax for Chicago.
1897
01:27:27,576 --> 01:27:30,996
And he also witnessed,
after the assassination,
1898
01:27:30,996 --> 01:27:33,124
the steps
that were taken to keep
1899
01:27:33,124 --> 01:27:36,001
the Chicago plot
completely secret.
1900
01:27:36,001 --> 01:27:38,295
No paper trail,
compartmentalized,
1901
01:27:38,295 --> 01:27:41,006
agents ordered
to keep silent about it.
1902
01:27:41,006 --> 01:27:43,759
This information
did not make its way
1903
01:27:43,759 --> 01:27:45,970
to Secret Service agents
1904
01:27:45,970 --> 01:27:48,222
that were protecting Kennedy
1905
01:27:48,222 --> 01:27:50,558
for future motorcades,
including Dallas.
1906
01:27:50,558 --> 01:27:52,601
I Goldberg) Secret Service
Agent Elmer Moore
1907
01:27:52,601 --> 01:27:57,106
was aware of Agent Bolden
and the Chicago plot.
1908
01:27:57,273 --> 01:28:00,359
I met with Elmer
three times face-to-face,
1909
01:28:00,526 --> 01:28:03,654
several phone calls,
very short, one very long one.
1910
01:28:03,654 --> 01:28:07,742
I first asked him,
"Did you ever interview
1911
01:28:07,742 --> 01:28:09,326
Thomas Arthur Vallee?"
1912
01:28:09,326 --> 01:28:11,203
And he says, "Oh, Washington
1913
01:28:11,203 --> 01:28:13,205
wouldn't let me
see the files on that."
1914
01:28:13,372 --> 01:28:15,833
I said, "Oh, well,
what about a man,
1915
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,586
a Secret Service agent by
the name of Abraham Bolden?"
1916
01:28:20,045 --> 01:28:22,673
His demeanor completely changed.
1917
01:28:22,673 --> 01:28:26,510
He stood up from his chair,
he pulled out his revolver,
1918
01:28:26,510 --> 01:28:29,555
and he put it on the table
right in front of me.
1919
01:28:29,555 --> 01:28:32,308
He leaned over
the table and he says,
1920
01:28:32,308 --> 01:28:35,269
"Jim, tell me right now,
who are you working for?"
1921
01:28:38,063 --> 01:28:40,983
I said,
"I'm an independent researcher."”
1922
01:28:41,484 --> 01:28:42,568
He told me...
1923
01:28:45,112 --> 01:28:46,489
in a very loud voice...
1924
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,035
and with a very stern look
on his face,
1925
01:28:51,035 --> 01:28:54,079
"We finally got him."
1926
01:28:54,079 --> 01:28:55,956
[Bleau]
Abraham Bolden was one person
1927
01:28:55,956 --> 01:28:57,666
who did try to say what he knew
1928
01:28:57,666 --> 01:29:00,878
to the Warren Commission,
but they blocked him.
1929
01:29:00,878 --> 01:29:02,546
He was blocked from talking
1930
01:29:02,546 --> 01:29:06,175
and eventually railroaded
into some phony crime
1931
01:29:06,175 --> 01:29:08,010
and put into jail
for a number of years.
1932
01:29:12,515 --> 01:29:14,225
[Stone]
The National Archives is home
1933
01:29:14,433 --> 01:29:15,518
to forensic evidence
1934
01:29:15,518 --> 01:29:17,728
of Kennedy's assassination,
1935
01:29:17,728 --> 01:29:21,148
and government files
regarding Lee Harvey Oswald.
1936
01:29:21,148 --> 01:29:23,526
But the Review Board
also declassified
1937
01:29:23,526 --> 01:29:26,028
many documents
regarding Kennedy's plans
1938
01:29:26,028 --> 01:29:27,738
for withdrawal from Vietnam,
1939
01:29:27,738 --> 01:29:30,115
and how he planned
to shape his progressive,
1940
01:29:30,115 --> 01:29:33,077
new American foreign policy.
1941
01:29:33,077 --> 01:29:35,538
A policy that,
if put in motion,
1942
01:29:35,538 --> 01:29:38,874
would completely derail plans
secretly already set up
1943
01:29:39,041 --> 01:29:40,960
by the Pentagon and the CIA.
1944
01:29:46,298 --> 01:29:49,426
I never realized Kennedy was so
dangerous to the establishment.
1945
01:29:50,928 --> 01:29:53,180
Is that why?
1946
01:29:53,180 --> 01:29:54,515
That's the real question,
isn't it?
1947
01:29:54,515 --> 01:29:55,933
Why? "
1948
01:29:56,100 --> 01:30:00,312
The "how" and the "who"
is just scenery for the public.
1949
01:30:00,312 --> 01:30:03,482
Oswald, Ruby, Cuba, the Mafia,
1950
01:30:03,649 --> 01:30:05,693
keeps 'em guessing
like some kind of parlor game.
1951
01:30:05,693 --> 01:30:09,113
Prevents 'em from asking the
most important question: "Why?"
1952
01:30:09,113 --> 01:30:12,283
Why was Kennedy killed?
Who benefited?
1953
01:30:12,449 --> 01:30:14,159
Who has the power
to cover it up?
1954
01:30:14,702 --> 01:30:15,619
Who?
1955
01:30:18,330 --> 01:30:19,957
[Donald Sutherland]
His first year in office,
1956
01:30:19,957 --> 01:30:23,586
Kennedy must shape
his own policy as President,
1957
01:30:23,586 --> 01:30:26,922
sometimes in conflict with what
his predecessors have done,
1958
01:30:26,922 --> 01:30:29,925
especially in foreign policy.
1959
01:30:30,092 --> 01:30:35,681
And by the fall of 1963,
Kennedy had made many enemies.
1960
01:30:35,681 --> 01:30:39,310
He was working on an American
withdrawal from Vietnam.
1961
01:30:39,310 --> 01:30:42,730
An upcoming State visit
to Indonesia in '64.
1962
01:30:42,730 --> 01:30:46,942
An independent,
unified democracy in the Congo.
1963
01:30:46,942 --> 01:30:50,613
Through Nasser, a balanced
policy in the Middle East.
1964
01:30:50,613 --> 01:30:53,908
Normalization of relations
with Cuba.
1965
01:30:53,908 --> 01:30:56,952
And a détente with Russia.
1966
01:30:56,952 --> 01:31:00,080
Even going so far as to offer them
a joint mission to the moon.
1967
01:31:01,206 --> 01:31:04,460
But back in April of 1961,
1968
01:31:04,460 --> 01:31:07,755
the first stain on his
administration asserted itself.
1969
01:31:09,757 --> 01:31:12,843
Kennedy, who had campaigned
as a strong anti-Communist,
1970
01:31:12,843 --> 01:31:15,930
signed off on
the Bay of Pigs invasion plan.
1971
01:31:15,930 --> 01:31:17,306
His approval of the plan
1972
01:31:17,306 --> 01:31:19,725
contained two
distinct limitations.
1973
01:31:19,725 --> 01:31:22,686
America would supply
arms and equipment,
1974
01:31:22,686 --> 01:31:25,606
but there would be no Americans
in the landing force.
1975
01:31:25,606 --> 01:31:27,942
Second,
after preliminary air strikes
1976
01:31:28,108 --> 01:31:29,944
by Cuban exile pilots,
1977
01:31:30,110 --> 01:31:32,196
there would
only be further strikes
1978
01:31:32,196 --> 01:31:34,531
after the invasion
secured an airfield.
1979
01:31:36,158 --> 01:31:38,243
Dulles believed
that Kennedy would,
1980
01:31:38,243 --> 01:31:40,412
like Eisenhower,
support the operation
1981
01:31:40,412 --> 01:31:43,999
with direct US military
intervention if needed,
1982
01:31:43,999 --> 01:31:47,252
all the while assuring him
it would not be necessary.
1983
01:31:48,504 --> 01:31:50,422
Well, first, I want to say that
1984
01:31:50,422 --> 01:31:53,217
there will not be,
under any conditions,
1985
01:31:53,217 --> 01:31:56,178
be an intervention in Cuba
by United States armed forces.
1986
01:32:13,362 --> 01:32:15,656
[Sutherland]
The invasion was a disaster.
1987
01:32:15,823 --> 01:32:19,034
Victory has 100 fathers
and defeat is an orphan.
1988
01:32:19,034 --> 01:32:20,953
Further statements, uh...
1989
01:32:20,953 --> 01:32:22,997
detailed, uh, discussions,
1990
01:32:24,665 --> 01:32:28,127
are not to, uh,
conceal responsibility
1991
01:32:28,127 --> 01:32:30,921
because I'm the responsible
officer of the Government.
1992
01:32:30,921 --> 01:32:34,341
[Sutherland] In public,
Kennedy accepted the blame.
1993
01:32:34,341 --> 01:32:36,301
In private,
he and his brother suspected
1994
01:32:36,301 --> 01:32:38,929
they had been
lied to by the CIA.
1995
01:32:38,929 --> 01:32:43,392
Allen Dulles confessed that
the mission was bound to fail
1996
01:32:43,392 --> 01:32:45,310
as it was planned by the CIA,
1997
01:32:45,310 --> 01:32:47,688
without US military support.
1998
01:32:47,688 --> 01:32:50,190
He confessed this
while, uh, preparing
1999
01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:52,151
an article for
Harper's Magazine
2000
01:32:52,151 --> 01:32:54,319
with the young editor,
Willie Morris,
2001
01:32:54,319 --> 01:32:58,157
that he couldn't have done this
with his small group of exiles,
2002
01:32:58,157 --> 01:32:59,575
his Cuban brigade.
2003
01:32:59,575 --> 01:33:02,661
He needed the Marines
and the Air Force to go in,
2004
01:33:02,661 --> 01:33:05,330
and he thought Kennedy was
going to be young and pliable,
2005
01:33:05,497 --> 01:33:08,292
and that in the 11th hour,
Kennedy would be forced
2006
01:33:08,292 --> 01:33:11,795
to send in, uh, the full might
of the US military.
2007
01:33:11,795 --> 01:33:15,257
[Sutherland] While drafting
the article in 1965,
2008
01:33:15,257 --> 01:33:16,967
Dulles told his editor,
2009
01:33:17,134 --> 01:33:20,804
"That Kennedy--
He thought he was a God."
2010
01:33:20,804 --> 01:33:22,973
[David Talbot]
Jack Kennedy did stand firm.
2011
01:33:22,973 --> 01:33:24,892
He did not send in the military.
2012
01:33:24,892 --> 01:33:27,770
He did not make it
an even bigger global crisis
2013
01:33:27,770 --> 01:33:29,104
than it already was.
2014
01:33:29,104 --> 01:33:31,565
Kennedy is just furious.
2015
01:33:31,565 --> 01:33:32,941
He knows he's been lied to,
2016
01:33:33,108 --> 01:33:37,404
deceived by his senior military
and intelligence advisers.
2017
01:33:37,404 --> 01:33:41,742
He announces that the agency,
uh, is going to be downsized.
2018
01:33:41,742 --> 01:33:44,870
And he vows famously,
he tells friends
2019
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:47,915
he's going to shatter the CIA
into a thousand pieces
2020
01:33:47,915 --> 01:33:50,584
and scatter it to the winds.
2021
01:33:50,584 --> 01:33:54,171
It wasn't just the Bay of Pigs
that angered President Kennedy
2022
01:33:54,171 --> 01:33:55,756
when it came to the CIA.
2023
01:33:55,923 --> 01:33:59,593
In that same month,
in April of 1961,
2024
01:33:59,593 --> 01:34:03,680
he was also being lied to
about a coup in France,
2025
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,265
a military coup
that was aimed at
2026
01:34:05,265 --> 01:34:08,060
overthrowing
President Charles de Gaulle,
2027
01:34:08,060 --> 01:34:10,479
one of our strongest allies.
2028
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,439
[Sutherland] Allen Dulles,
who had a long history
2029
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:14,900
of antagonism with de Gaulle,
2030
01:34:14,900 --> 01:34:16,193
falsely reported to Kennedy
2031
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:19,071
that the vast majority
of the French military
2032
01:34:19,071 --> 01:34:21,615
was staunchly opposed
to de Gaulle's support
2033
01:34:21,782 --> 01:34:25,160
of Algerian self-determination.
2034
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:29,623
What he didn't tell him
was that as far back as 1959,
2035
01:34:29,623 --> 01:34:32,835
the CIA had
discussed his overthrow.
2036
01:34:32,835 --> 01:34:36,672
This coup attempt, orchestrated
by four French generals,
2037
01:34:36,672 --> 01:34:38,382
was quickly put down.
2038
01:34:38,382 --> 01:34:42,261
And several news reports
pointed to Allen Dulles" hand
2039
01:34:42,261 --> 01:34:44,763
in supporting the episode.
2040
01:34:44,763 --> 01:34:46,807
JFK assures
the French ambassador,
2041
01:34:46,974 --> 01:34:48,851
"I have nothing to do with this.
2042
01:34:48,851 --> 01:34:52,104
I stand in full support
of President de Gaulle.”
2043
01:34:52,104 --> 01:34:54,439
But he says something
very, very alarming.
2044
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:57,860
He tells the French ambassador,
President Kennedy,
2045
01:34:57,860 --> 01:35:01,738
that "I'm not in full control,
though, of my entire government.
2046
01:35:01,738 --> 01:35:03,949
"I'm not in control of the CIA
2047
01:35:03,949 --> 01:35:06,368
and I can't speak for
what's happening there."
2048
01:35:06,368 --> 01:35:10,080
That's a stunning admission
for a US President to make.
2049
01:35:11,748 --> 01:35:13,292
[Sutherland] In 1960,
2050
01:35:13,458 --> 01:35:16,503
the Congo had been
granted its independence
2051
01:35:16,503 --> 01:35:18,255
from Belgian colonial rule
2052
01:35:18,255 --> 01:35:21,341
and carried out
a democratic election.
2053
01:35:21,341 --> 01:35:23,760
In the disorder
of the transition,
2054
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:26,638
the Belgians,
backed by England and France,
2055
01:35:26,638 --> 01:35:29,558
sought to eliminate
its charismatic Prime Minister,
2056
01:35:29,558 --> 01:35:31,727
Patrice Lumumba.
2057
01:35:31,727 --> 01:35:34,938
Eisenhower
and CIA Director Allen Dulles
2058
01:35:34,938 --> 01:35:39,568
favored the European nation
in this colonial conflict.
2059
01:35:39,568 --> 01:35:43,947
Eisenhower gave the go-ahead
to have Lumumba assassinated.
2060
01:35:44,907 --> 01:35:46,325
Kennedy never knew this.
2061
01:35:46,325 --> 01:35:51,163
He gets elected
the following November of 1960,
2062
01:35:51,163 --> 01:35:54,333
and he heads
in the opposite direction.
2063
01:35:54,333 --> 01:35:56,335
To those new states
whom we welcome
2064
01:35:56,335 --> 01:35:59,254
to the ranks of the free,
2065
01:35:59,254 --> 01:36:05,219
we pledge our word that
one form of colonial control
2066
01:36:05,219 --> 01:36:08,222
shall not have passed away
2067
01:36:08,222 --> 01:36:13,060
merely to be replaced
by a far more iron tyranny.
2068
01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:15,437
[Sutherland] But events
are already in motion.
2069
01:36:15,437 --> 01:36:18,774
With the backing of British
and US intelligence and armes,
2070
01:36:18,774 --> 01:36:22,819
Col. Joseph Mobutu's forces
captured President Lumumba
2071
01:36:22,819 --> 01:36:26,114
at the beginning
of December 1960.
2072
01:36:26,114 --> 01:36:27,616
[Richard Ma honey]
Dag Hammarskjold,
2073
01:36:27,616 --> 01:36:30,827
the UN Secretary General,
calls JFK,
2074
01:36:30,827 --> 01:36:32,996
uh, who's the President-elect
at this point,
2075
01:36:32,996 --> 01:36:34,790
and asked him to intercede
2076
01:36:34,957 --> 01:36:37,793
to get Lumumba
released from prison.
2077
01:36:37,793 --> 01:36:41,922
When Kennedy
intervenes to save Lumumba,
2078
01:36:41,922 --> 01:36:45,217
that's a signal
directly to the CIA
2079
01:36:45,217 --> 01:36:48,428
that they have to
dispatch this guy immediately.
2080
01:36:48,428 --> 01:36:52,599
And so 48 hours before Kennedy
takes the oath of office,
2081
01:36:52,766 --> 01:36:56,144
Lumumba is delivered
into the hands of his enemies.
2082
01:36:56,144 --> 01:36:58,313
He's taken out
and shot in the head.
2083
01:36:58,313 --> 01:37:01,275
Kennedy doesn't know this
until months later.
2084
01:37:01,275 --> 01:37:02,651
Who finally tells him?
2085
01:37:02,651 --> 01:37:05,279
The CIA?
No, they still keep it a secret.
2086
01:37:05,445 --> 01:37:09,283
He's informed by his
UN ambassador, Adlai Stevenson.
2087
01:37:09,283 --> 01:37:11,910
His face crumples,
he's holding his hand,
2088
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:13,787
he's grimacing in anguish,
2089
01:37:13,787 --> 01:37:17,916
hearing about the assassination
of Patrice Lumumba.
2090
01:37:17,916 --> 01:37:19,084
[Sutherland]
Within a very short
2091
01:37:19,251 --> 01:37:21,545
period of time
after the assassination,
2092
01:37:21,545 --> 01:37:25,716
Hammarskjold died
in a mysterious plane crash.
2093
01:37:25,716 --> 01:37:27,467
The photographs show his body
2094
01:37:27,467 --> 01:37:30,429
as the only one
not burned or charred,
2095
01:37:30,429 --> 01:37:34,516
and he had a playing card,
reportedly the ace of spades,
2096
01:37:34,683 --> 01:37:38,520
stuffed into his shirt collar
above the knot of the tie.
2097
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:40,647
There are
controversial documents
2098
01:37:40,647 --> 01:37:42,566
that indicate Allen Dulles
2099
01:37:42,566 --> 01:37:44,693
was involved
in the sabotage of the plane.
2100
01:37:47,279 --> 01:37:49,072
[Lisa Pease] John Foster Dulles
and Allen Dulles,
2101
01:37:49,239 --> 01:37:51,450
they felt, you know,
what they had to say
2102
01:37:51,616 --> 01:37:53,994
was good enough
for the rest of the world,
2103
01:37:53,994 --> 01:37:55,662
that they knew
more than the President.
2104
01:37:55,662 --> 01:37:57,789
There were things
they didn't tell Eisenhower
2105
01:37:57,789 --> 01:38:00,709
that they were doing
under his administration.
2106
01:38:00,709 --> 01:38:02,794
[Talbot]
And actually, Jack Kennedy
2107
01:38:02,794 --> 01:38:05,922
does move to decapitate
the top of the CIA.
2108
01:38:06,089 --> 01:38:08,550
He lets it be known
that Allen Dulles,
2109
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:10,802
as well as his two top advisers,
2110
01:38:10,802 --> 01:38:12,220
Richard Bissell,
2111
01:38:12,220 --> 01:38:14,765
who is also very involved
with the Bay of Pigs,
2112
01:38:14,765 --> 01:38:16,391
and General Cabell,
2113
01:38:16,558 --> 01:38:19,227
who was, uh, the right-hand man
to Allen Dulles.
2114
01:38:19,227 --> 01:38:21,146
So the top three people
in the CIA,
2115
01:38:21,313 --> 01:38:25,150
Kennedy forces them out
before the end of the year.
2116
01:38:25,150 --> 01:38:27,986
Have you ever committed any
act of violence in your life?
2117
01:38:31,114 --> 01:38:32,115
No.
2118
01:38:34,201 --> 01:38:35,744
[Sutherland]
The existence of communism
2119
01:38:35,911 --> 01:38:37,662
so close to American shores
2120
01:38:37,662 --> 01:38:40,624
kept Cuba on Kennedy's plate.
2121
01:38:40,624 --> 01:38:43,543
And the Joint Chiefs of Staff
presented a plan to Kennedy
2122
01:38:43,710 --> 01:38:45,879
called Operation North woods,
2123
01:38:45,879 --> 01:38:48,173
whereby the CIA
would secretly perform
2124
01:38:48,173 --> 01:38:50,759
terrorist acts
in the United States
2125
01:38:50,926 --> 01:38:52,761
and blame them on Castro
2126
01:38:52,761 --> 01:38:55,722
to justify bombings
and an invasion of Cuba.
2127
01:38:55,889 --> 01:38:58,016
And you see all these plans
2128
01:38:58,016 --> 01:39:00,602
being sent
to McNamara and to Kennedy.
2129
01:39:00,602 --> 01:39:02,104
[Horne]
"Fake an attack by Cubans
2130
01:39:02,104 --> 01:39:03,814
against the
Guantanamo Bay sentries.
2131
01:39:03,814 --> 01:39:06,233
Sink a US ship
in Guantanamo Bay
2132
01:39:06,233 --> 01:39:07,401
and blame it on Cuba."
2133
01:39:07,567 --> 01:39:12,364
The one that scares me the most
was very sophisticated.
2134
01:39:12,364 --> 01:39:16,243
Uh, take an airliner and fly it
as a drone over Cuba
2135
01:39:16,243 --> 01:39:17,744
without any people in it,
2136
01:39:17,744 --> 01:39:19,162
with a tape-recording
that would play,
2137
01:39:19,162 --> 01:39:20,622
"We're under attack
by Cuban aircraft!
2138
01:39:20,789 --> 01:39:22,624
"Oh, my God,
they're going to kill us!”
2139
01:39:22,791 --> 01:39:23,834
Blow up the airplane!
2140
01:39:23,834 --> 01:39:25,752
Blow up this huge drone
2141
01:39:25,752 --> 01:39:29,297
and use that to start a war.
2142
01:39:29,297 --> 01:39:31,675
[Sutherland] The President
declined the recommendation.
2143
01:39:33,093 --> 01:39:34,845
The North woods plan
was our big find
2144
01:39:35,011 --> 01:39:36,430
in the way of military records.
2145
01:39:36,596 --> 01:39:37,597
They are universally
recognized today
2146
01:39:37,764 --> 01:39:39,516
for their importance.
2147
01:39:39,516 --> 01:39:41,643
It's one of those releases
that the Review Board members,
2148
01:39:41,643 --> 01:39:44,855
the board members themselves
were justifiably proud of
2149
01:39:44,855 --> 01:39:46,773
that came out of
the JFK Records Act.
2150
01:39:48,859 --> 01:39:51,445
[Stone] In addition to
the problems with the CIA,
2151
01:39:51,445 --> 01:39:54,656
Kennedy's own military advisers
started pressuring him
2152
01:39:54,656 --> 01:39:55,991
to send troops to Vietnam.
2153
01:39:56,158 --> 01:39:58,285
A country that
Kennedy had visited
2154
01:39:58,285 --> 01:40:00,203
10 years earlier
as a Congressman,
2155
01:40:00,203 --> 01:40:02,789
and witnessed firsthand
how the French
2156
01:40:02,789 --> 01:40:04,458
were losing their war
2157
01:40:04,624 --> 01:40:07,794
against the Viet Minh
in the fight for independence.
2158
01:40:07,794 --> 01:40:09,379
Once he became President,
2159
01:40:09,379 --> 01:40:12,632
Kennedy wanted
to avoid the same trap.
2160
01:40:12,799 --> 01:40:16,136
The Vietnam decision
is finally arrived at,
2161
01:40:16,136 --> 01:40:17,846
which is NSAM 111,
2162
01:40:17,846 --> 01:40:20,640
where Kennedy
says no combat troops
2163
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,476
but will increase the advisers.
2164
01:40:22,642 --> 01:40:25,562
And that was his decision,
in the Kennedy presidency.
2165
01:40:25,562 --> 01:40:28,106
Never to cross that line.
2166
01:40:30,066 --> 01:40:32,611
[Sutherland] Near the end
of his first year in office,
2167
01:40:32,611 --> 01:40:34,029
Kennedy received a report
2168
01:40:34,196 --> 01:40:36,865
from Walt Rostow
and General Maxwell Taylor,
2169
01:40:36,865 --> 01:40:39,034
his foreign policy
and military advisers,
2170
01:40:39,034 --> 01:40:40,535
that called
for increased training
2171
01:40:40,535 --> 01:40:42,621
of South Vietnamese troops,
2172
01:40:42,621 --> 01:40:44,539
increased bombings
of the North,
2173
01:40:44,539 --> 01:40:47,751
and the use
of US combat troops.
2174
01:40:47,751 --> 01:40:49,211
The influence
on Kennedy's reluctance
2175
01:40:49,377 --> 01:40:51,505
to committing ground troops
2176
01:40:51,505 --> 01:40:55,383
was his ambassador to India,
John Kenneth Galbraith.
2177
01:40:55,383 --> 01:40:58,428
[James K. Galbraith] My father
went to see, uh, Walt Rostow.
2178
01:40:58,428 --> 01:40:59,846
He went in to talk to him.
2179
01:41:00,013 --> 01:41:03,934
Rostow gestured on his desk
to the, uh, pile of papers.
2180
01:41:03,934 --> 01:41:07,145
The Rostow Taylor report
was plainly visible.
2181
01:41:07,145 --> 01:41:09,105
Uh, my father asked to see it.
2182
01:41:09,105 --> 01:41:10,857
Walt said that
his security classification
2183
01:41:11,024 --> 01:41:13,068
wasn't sufficiently high.
2184
01:41:13,068 --> 01:41:14,736
My father did not think that
2185
01:41:14,736 --> 01:41:18,448
Walt Rostow's security classification
was higher than his.
2186
01:41:18,448 --> 01:41:21,117
Uh, and at the given moment,
uh, the phone rang.
2187
01:41:21,117 --> 01:41:23,119
Walt turned to--
to answer the phone
2188
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:25,330
and-- and Dad
picked up the report
2189
01:41:25,330 --> 01:41:28,291
and walked out
of the office and read it.
2190
01:41:28,291 --> 01:41:30,544
[Sutherland] Kennedy
sent Galbraith to Saigon
2191
01:41:30,710 --> 01:41:33,547
to write a report that would
differ in its recommendations
2192
01:41:33,547 --> 01:41:37,759
from what Taylor and Rostow
had given to him.
2193
01:41:37,759 --> 01:41:39,386
Kennedy knew what he wanted
2194
01:41:39,386 --> 01:41:41,054
and he knew what my father
would deliver, which he did,
2195
01:41:41,054 --> 01:41:43,557
which is a very detailed
and skeptical report
2196
01:41:43,557 --> 01:41:46,351
about the efficiency of the
South Vietnamese government,
2197
01:41:46,351 --> 01:41:49,729
about the capacity
of any military force
2198
01:41:49,729 --> 01:41:52,357
to prevail in
the security situation
2199
01:41:52,357 --> 01:41:55,151
that was in existence
in South Vietnam at that time.
2200
01:41:55,151 --> 01:41:56,486
[Sutherland]
Kennedy told Galbraith
2201
01:41:56,653 --> 01:42:00,073
to deliver his report to
Defense Secretary McNamara,
2202
01:42:00,073 --> 01:42:02,409
and he,
in turn, gave instructions
2203
01:42:02,409 --> 01:42:05,495
to begin the withdrawal
to General Harkins,
2204
01:42:05,495 --> 01:42:09,332
the commanding General
of all forces in Vietnam.
2205
01:42:09,332 --> 01:42:12,419
The Pentagon dragged its feet
on formulating plans,
2206
01:42:12,586 --> 01:42:17,465
and McNamara called for
a meeting in May of 1963.
2207
01:42:17,465 --> 01:42:20,385
One of the most important finds
of the Review Board
2208
01:42:20,385 --> 01:42:22,804
are the notes
from this meeting.
2209
01:42:22,971 --> 01:42:25,056
[Horne] McNamara said,
"It's not fast enough.
2210
01:42:25,056 --> 01:42:26,308
I want you to accelerate it."
2211
01:42:26,308 --> 01:42:28,602
He says,
"I want to pull out 1,000 men,
2212
01:42:28,768 --> 01:42:31,062
uh, in December
by the end of the year.
2213
01:42:31,062 --> 01:42:33,023
"And I want you to pull out
2214
01:42:33,023 --> 01:42:34,983
complete units,
not just individuals."
2215
01:42:34,983 --> 01:42:37,402
He wanted units to come out.
2216
01:42:37,569 --> 01:42:40,238
[Sutherland]
After the withdrawal plan was approved,
2217
01:42:40,238 --> 01:42:42,490
Kennedy sent
Secretary of Defense McNamara
2218
01:42:42,490 --> 01:42:47,245
and General Taylor
to Saigon in September of '63.
2219
01:42:47,245 --> 01:42:50,040
He planned on using
their report as the basis
2220
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:53,001
to formally order
the withdrawal to begin.
2221
01:42:53,001 --> 01:42:55,045
Kennedy controlled the report,
2222
01:42:55,045 --> 01:42:56,588
since it was
actually being written
2223
01:42:56,588 --> 01:42:59,799
under the supervision
of Bobby Kennedy.
2224
01:42:59,966 --> 01:43:01,509
[Newman]
Three days later,
2225
01:43:01,509 --> 01:43:03,053
that leaks out
into the newspapers.
2226
01:43:03,053 --> 01:43:05,680
Then his opponents find out.
2227
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:07,390
And McGeorge Bundy
says to Kennedy, "Hey, look,
2228
01:43:07,390 --> 01:43:09,225
"if they're talking about it
in the newspapers,
2229
01:43:09,225 --> 01:43:10,268
we might as well
put it on paper.”
2230
01:43:10,435 --> 01:43:12,687
And they put it,
and it was NSAM 263.
2231
01:43:12,687 --> 01:43:15,815
And that's how it was
actually written and why.
2232
01:43:15,815 --> 01:43:17,984
Well, here's one of the things
2233
01:43:17,984 --> 01:43:19,486
McNamara said
in the secret debrief.
2234
01:43:19,486 --> 01:43:23,031
He said, "We had agreed,
the President and I,
2235
01:43:23,031 --> 01:43:24,991
"that we had trained them,
2236
01:43:24,991 --> 01:43:26,660
"we had given them
everything we could.
2237
01:43:26,826 --> 01:43:29,496
"And if they couldn't win,
too bad.
2238
01:43:29,496 --> 01:43:33,541
We had to get out even if
they were going to be defeated.”
2239
01:43:33,541 --> 01:43:36,878
So McNamara and Kennedy had
decided that they were willing
2240
01:43:37,045 --> 01:43:39,839
to pull out of Vietnam
in a losing scenario.
2241
01:43:40,006 --> 01:43:40,965
That's very important.
2242
01:43:42,467 --> 01:43:45,178
But later in that month,
McGeorge Bundy,
2243
01:43:45,178 --> 01:43:47,764
who's the National
Security Adviser,
2244
01:43:47,764 --> 01:43:49,891
puts together a memo
2245
01:43:49,891 --> 01:43:51,851
based upon the--
the truth about the war,
2246
01:43:51,851 --> 01:43:54,229
which is just going terribly.
2247
01:43:54,229 --> 01:43:57,273
And he does it in a way
to try and make sure
2248
01:43:57,440 --> 01:43:59,234
that Kennedy would be able
to go along with this.
2249
01:43:59,401 --> 01:44:01,111
[Sutherland]
This is reflected in
2250
01:44:01,111 --> 01:44:03,446
the National Security
Action Memorandum:
2251
01:44:03,446 --> 01:44:06,282
NSAM 273.
2252
01:44:06,282 --> 01:44:09,536
[Newman] The way Bundy writes
the first draft of 273
2253
01:44:09,536 --> 01:44:11,162
is to say,
"Look, we need to intensify
2254
01:44:11,329 --> 01:44:14,165
"the war effort
against the communists.
2255
01:44:14,165 --> 01:44:16,000
"But the way
we're going to do it
2256
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,586
is to increase
South Vietnamese forces."
2257
01:44:18,586 --> 01:44:21,047
There's not a word
about American forces
2258
01:44:21,047 --> 01:44:22,799
or Americanizing the war.
2259
01:44:25,343 --> 01:44:27,679
While Kennedy's body
is still in the casket
2260
01:44:27,679 --> 01:44:30,181
in the rotunda
over in the Capitol building,
2261
01:44:30,348 --> 01:44:34,602
is when Johnson changes NSAM 273
to a new version.
2262
01:44:34,602 --> 01:44:37,188
And when it comes
to the key paragraph,
2263
01:44:37,188 --> 01:44:39,065
paragraph seven,
which just talks about
2264
01:44:39,065 --> 01:44:41,651
how we're going
to intensify the war,
2265
01:44:41,651 --> 01:44:43,194
instead of changing a few words,
2266
01:44:43,194 --> 01:44:46,364
there's two big hash marks
through that paragraph,
2267
01:44:46,364 --> 01:44:48,074
and it's completely rewritten.
2268
01:44:48,074 --> 01:44:49,367
And I said--
I asked Bundy in an interview,
2269
01:44:49,367 --> 01:44:51,161
I said,
"Who told you to do that?"
2270
01:44:51,161 --> 01:44:52,996
He said, "Johnson did."
2271
01:44:52,996 --> 01:44:54,456
[Sutherland]
These changes allowed the US
2272
01:44:54,456 --> 01:44:57,584
to unilaterally engage
in combat in Vietnam
2273
01:44:57,584 --> 01:44:59,836
rather than simply
supporting and advising
2274
01:44:59,836 --> 01:45:01,379
South Vietnamese troops.
2275
01:45:02,547 --> 01:45:04,299
And within days,
2276
01:45:04,299 --> 01:45:07,427
we're talking about
sending out the DESOTO missions.
2277
01:45:07,427 --> 01:45:10,305
These-- These naval excursions
2278
01:45:10,305 --> 01:45:13,141
along the coastline
of North Vietnam
2279
01:45:13,141 --> 01:45:15,894
that ends up with The Maddox
2280
01:45:15,894 --> 01:45:18,313
and the, and the so-called
Tonkin Gulf attacks.
2281
01:45:18,313 --> 01:45:20,231
And then
the resolution in Congress
2282
01:45:20,231 --> 01:45:23,568
opening the door
to intervention in Vietnam.
2283
01:45:23,568 --> 01:45:26,029
[Sutherland] In the Review
Board's declassifications,
2284
01:45:26,196 --> 01:45:28,323
there's evidence
that Johnson was fully aware
2285
01:45:28,323 --> 01:45:30,700
of Kennedy's
Vietnam withdrawal plans,
2286
01:45:30,700 --> 01:45:32,494
disagreed with them,
2287
01:45:32,494 --> 01:45:35,246
and worked on Robert McNamara
to make him renounce them.
2288
01:45:36,247 --> 01:45:38,166
[Lyndon B. Johnson speaking]
2289
01:45:47,258 --> 01:45:49,886
In retaliation
for this unprovoked
2290
01:45:49,886 --> 01:45:52,013
attack on the high seas,
2291
01:45:52,180 --> 01:45:54,516
our forces
have struck the bases
2292
01:45:54,516 --> 01:45:58,520
used by the North Vietnamese
patrol craft.
2293
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:00,688
[Sutherland]
And as declassified memos have revealed,
2294
01:46:00,688 --> 01:46:02,273
by autumn of 1964,
2295
01:46:02,440 --> 01:46:05,068
during his campaign
against Barry Goldwater,
2296
01:46:05,235 --> 01:46:07,320
Johnson had already decided
2297
01:46:07,487 --> 01:46:10,406
that he was going
to escalate the Vietnam War-.
2298
01:46:10,406 --> 01:46:11,866
In fact, the directive
that would become
2299
01:46:12,033 --> 01:46:13,701
the Tonkin Gulf Resolution
2300
01:46:13,868 --> 01:46:18,081
had been written before the
Tonkin Gulf Incident itself.
2301
01:46:18,081 --> 01:46:19,958
Three months
before the election,
2302
01:46:19,958 --> 01:46:23,628
Johnson had already planned
for an extensive air war.
2303
01:46:23,628 --> 01:46:26,256
It was to begin
after his inauguration.
2304
01:46:27,966 --> 01:46:32,387
[Johnson] We intend
to convince the communists
2305
01:46:32,387 --> 01:46:37,225
that we cannot be defeated
by force of arms
2306
01:46:37,225 --> 01:46:39,060
or by superior power.
2307
01:46:44,148 --> 01:46:46,317
[Pease] When news
came of Kennedy's death,
2308
01:46:46,317 --> 01:46:48,611
all over the planet,
people were mourning
2309
01:46:48,611 --> 01:46:51,322
and crying
and going to embassies.
2310
01:46:51,322 --> 01:46:53,741
In Latin America,
the people just lit candles
2311
01:46:53,741 --> 01:46:56,077
because they didn't even
have electrical power,
2312
01:46:56,077 --> 01:46:57,704
but they wanted
to honor his killing.
2313
01:46:57,871 --> 01:46:59,289
In the Yucatan Peninsula,
2314
01:46:59,455 --> 01:47:03,543
peasants cleared an area
and planted a peace garden.
2315
01:47:03,543 --> 01:47:05,128
[Philip Muehlenbeck] Nasser
learned of Kennedy's death
2316
01:47:05,128 --> 01:47:07,380
in the middle of the night.
He got up, dressed,
2317
01:47:07,547 --> 01:47:10,425
went down to his office,
and then realized,
2318
01:47:10,425 --> 01:47:12,218
"Well, there's nothing
I can do about this."
2319
01:47:12,218 --> 01:47:14,846
According to his son,
Nasser went to a--
2320
01:47:14,846 --> 01:47:18,057
A great state of depression
after Kennedy's death.
2321
01:47:18,057 --> 01:47:21,394
Uh, relations with Egypt
gradually deteriorated,
2322
01:47:21,394 --> 01:47:24,355
and they increasingly shifted
their allegiance
2323
01:47:24,355 --> 01:47:26,190
towards the Soviet Union
as well.
2324
01:47:26,190 --> 01:47:29,777
A mass was held in the leading
Catholic Church in Cairo,
2325
01:47:29,777 --> 01:47:32,113
which has a capacity of 600.
2326
01:47:32,113 --> 01:47:35,617
They somehow fit 4,000 people
into that church.
2327
01:47:35,617 --> 01:47:38,161
Algeria, which had
special feeling for Kennedy,
2328
01:47:38,328 --> 01:47:40,622
declared a state
of mourning for a week.
2329
01:47:40,622 --> 01:47:43,750
Flags were flown,
uh, at half mast.
2330
01:47:43,917 --> 01:47:46,628
The US ambassador to Egypt said
2331
01:47:46,628 --> 01:47:49,380
that he thought the Egyptians
had seen in Kennedy
2332
01:47:49,547 --> 01:47:51,633
the best of what
they saw in Americans.
2333
01:47:51,633 --> 01:47:54,844
That Kennedy had represented
a kind of ideal of America
2334
01:47:54,844 --> 01:47:56,846
to ordinary Egyptians.
2335
01:47:56,846 --> 01:47:58,932
[Sutherland] Castro got
the news of Kennedy's death
2336
01:47:58,932 --> 01:48:00,391
while discussing détente
2337
01:48:00,558 --> 01:48:03,061
with the French journalist
Jean Daniel.
2338
01:48:03,227 --> 01:48:06,648
He then exclaimed,
"This is bad news.
2339
01:48:06,648 --> 01:48:08,608
Everything is now
going to change."
2340
01:48:11,110 --> 01:48:13,613
When Khrushchev paid his
respects to President Kennedy
2341
01:48:13,780 --> 01:48:16,366
at the American embassy,
2342
01:48:16,366 --> 01:48:18,952
he was reportedly
holding back tears.
2343
01:48:20,703 --> 01:48:23,665
Robert Kennedy knew
that after his brother's death,
2344
01:48:23,665 --> 01:48:28,127
relations with the Soviet Union
hung in the balance.
2345
01:48:28,127 --> 01:48:34,092
My father, he wanted to convey
a message to Premier Khrushchev
2346
01:48:34,092 --> 01:48:35,677
saying that our family knew
2347
01:48:35,843 --> 01:48:39,597
that the Soviets were not
involved in the assassination.
2348
01:48:39,597 --> 01:48:43,851
That it was a right-wing plot
from our own country.
2349
01:48:44,018 --> 01:48:46,187
In other words, the CIA,
2350
01:48:46,187 --> 01:48:48,439
or forces aligned with the CIA.
2351
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:51,234
[Robert F. Kennedy Jr.]
The day that his brother died,
2352
01:48:51,401 --> 01:48:54,487
my father's first phone call
2353
01:48:54,487 --> 01:48:59,492
was to the CIA
desk officer at Langley
2354
01:48:59,492 --> 01:49:05,498
and he asked them, "Did your
people conduct this horror?”
2355
01:49:07,792 --> 01:49:10,378
[Talbot]
We know from how Bobby operated
2356
01:49:10,378 --> 01:49:14,173
that terrible day,
November 22nd, 1963,
2357
01:49:14,173 --> 01:49:17,093
at his home in,
uh, McLean, Virginia,
2358
01:49:17,093 --> 01:49:21,931
that he immediately suspected
there was not a lone gunman.
2359
01:49:21,931 --> 01:49:23,558
Why do we know this?
2360
01:49:23,558 --> 01:49:26,602
Because he was being told
by his closest aides,
2361
01:49:26,602 --> 01:49:29,147
people like Kenny O'Donnell
and Dave Powers,
2362
01:49:29,147 --> 01:49:30,565
who were in the limousine
2363
01:49:30,565 --> 01:49:33,359
immediately behind
President Kennedy's limousine.
2364
01:49:33,359 --> 01:49:35,153
They were both
World War II veterans.
2365
01:49:35,153 --> 01:49:37,739
They knew
what gunfire sounded like.
2366
01:49:37,905 --> 01:49:39,949
They reported it to him
that gunfire
2367
01:49:39,949 --> 01:49:41,909
had not just come
from the-- the rear.
2368
01:49:42,076 --> 01:49:44,162
It had come
from different sides.
2369
01:49:44,162 --> 01:49:46,539
There was gunfire
from the front as well.
2370
01:49:46,539 --> 01:49:48,958
It was a crossfire.
2371
01:49:48,958 --> 01:49:51,544
[Kennedy Jr.]
I was in the East Room,
2372
01:49:51,711 --> 01:49:56,049
with my dad and with Jackie
and a couple of my siblings,
2373
01:49:56,049 --> 01:49:58,468
and Lyndon Johnson came in,
2374
01:49:58,468 --> 01:50:01,345
and told the adults in the room
2375
01:50:01,345 --> 01:50:04,265
that Lee Harvey Oswald
had been killed,
2376
01:50:04,265 --> 01:50:07,560
and that a man had shot him.
2377
01:50:07,727 --> 01:50:11,105
And I said to my dad and mom
at that time,
2378
01:50:11,272 --> 01:50:12,774
"Why did he shoot him?
2379
01:50:12,774 --> 01:50:15,234
Did he--
Did he love our family?"
2380
01:50:15,234 --> 01:50:16,736
And the way that they acted
2381
01:50:16,903 --> 01:50:19,447
was that this only
compounded the tragedy.
2382
01:50:21,032 --> 01:50:22,533
[Sutherland]
Many people at home
2383
01:50:22,533 --> 01:50:24,368
felt that after
Kennedy's death,
2384
01:50:24,368 --> 01:50:28,372
a period of depression and
cynicism overtook the country,
2385
01:50:28,372 --> 01:50:32,126
and that America
was somehow changed forever.
2386
01:50:32,126 --> 01:50:33,795
Our overwhelming disbelief
2387
01:50:33,795 --> 01:50:35,338
in the Warren
Commission's findings
2388
01:50:35,505 --> 01:50:38,216
contributed to
increased skepticism
2389
01:50:38,216 --> 01:50:40,718
of all our foundational beliefs
about government.
2390
01:50:43,638 --> 01:50:46,599
But I think Allen Dulles' appointment to
the Warren Commission
2391
01:50:46,599 --> 01:50:49,811
is one of the great frauds
of American history.
2392
01:50:49,811 --> 01:50:52,855
I don't think that even if
you had 10 more commissions,
2393
01:50:52,855 --> 01:50:54,107
you'd never
get away from the idea
2394
01:50:54,273 --> 01:50:55,733
that maybe there was a plot.
2395
01:50:55,900 --> 01:50:58,152
We just didn't
find any traces of it.
2396
01:50:58,152 --> 01:51:00,530
What really happened
with Allen Dulles was
2397
01:51:00,696 --> 01:51:03,866
the CIA lobbied to have
him put on the Commission,
2398
01:51:03,866 --> 01:51:06,410
'cause they needed to have one
of their own on the Commission
2399
01:51:06,577 --> 01:51:10,623
to make sure that
certain doors remained closed.
2400
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:16,671
I think there's a direct thread
between the events of 1963
2401
01:51:16,671 --> 01:51:18,881
and the kind of horror show
2402
01:51:18,881 --> 01:51:22,969
that America is having
to endure right now.
2403
01:51:22,969 --> 01:51:25,763
And I think once
you kill a President
2404
01:51:25,763 --> 01:51:27,431
in broad daylight on the
streets of an American city,
2405
01:51:27,598 --> 01:51:30,393
and everyone knows
that powerful forces did it,
2406
01:51:30,393 --> 01:51:34,021
that sends a signal not
only to the American people,
2407
01:51:34,188 --> 01:51:37,942
but to the American media,
to the American future leaders.
2408
01:51:37,942 --> 01:51:40,862
And if America really wants
a democratic society,
2409
01:51:40,862 --> 01:51:44,490
then we should get to the bottom
of this traumatic crime
2410
01:51:44,490 --> 01:51:47,827
that continues to reverberate
throughout American history.
2411
01:51:47,827 --> 01:51:51,289
They poll historians,
they poll the American people,
2412
01:51:51,289 --> 01:51:54,041
and they say, "Who were
the most popular Presidents?”
2413
01:51:54,041 --> 01:51:56,085
Well, one metric
that you can use
2414
01:51:56,085 --> 01:52:00,464
to objectively-- at least
judge the foreign policy,
2415
01:52:00,464 --> 01:52:02,967
is how many boulevards are named
2416
01:52:02,967 --> 01:52:05,386
after that President
in foreign countries?
2417
01:52:05,386 --> 01:52:09,265
How many hospitals, how many
colleges, how many schools?
2418
01:52:09,265 --> 01:52:13,769
How many statues are--
are standing of that President
2419
01:52:13,769 --> 01:52:15,605
in capitals all over the world?
2420
01:52:15,605 --> 01:52:17,690
And in that sense,
President Kennedy
2421
01:52:17,690 --> 01:52:20,234
beats every other President,
hands down.
2422
01:52:23,321 --> 01:52:25,156
[Stone]
Although many of Kennedy's
2423
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progressive
and unprecedented goals
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and changes in policy were
undone after his assassination,
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a few powerful ones remain.
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I think Mr. Kennedy has done
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some significant things
in civil rights,
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and I would include
the Attorney General.
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I think both of these men
are men of genuine goodwill.
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And, uh, I think
there is a necessity now
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to see the urgency
of the moment.
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I'm asking from you
an unequivocal assurance
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that you will not bar entry
to these students,
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and that you will
step aside peacefully,
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do your constitutional duty.
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[Stone] In showdowns
using federal troops,
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the Kennedy administration won
admission of Black students
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to the last public colleges
in the south.
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George Wallace made it clear
that this fight was not over.
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And the-- the South
this year-- next year
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will decide who
the next President is,
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whoever the South votes for
will be the President.
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And you're gonna see
that the South
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is going to be
against some folks.
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[Stone] That night,
Kennedy addressed the nation
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in what many
consider the finest
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Presidential speech
on civil rights
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since Abraham Lincoln.
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...and that the rights of
every man are diminished
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when the rights
of one man are threatened.
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If an American,
because his skin is dark...
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cannot enjoy the full and free
life which all of us want,
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then who among us
would be content
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to have the color
of his skin changed?
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One hundred years of delay
have passed
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since President Lincoln
freed the slaves,
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yet their heirs, their
grandsons, are not fully free.
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And this nation, for all
its hopes and all its boasts,
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will not be fully free until
all its citizens are free.
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We face, therefore,
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a moral crisis
as a country and a people,
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and this is a matter
which concerns
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this country
and what it stands for.
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And in meeting it, I ask the
support of all of our citizens.
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Thank you very much.
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