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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,227 --> 00:00:33,928 The 9th of August 1945, 2 00:00:34,468 --> 00:00:37,967 the American armed forces interrogate Gisela Limberger, 3 00:00:38,437 --> 00:00:41,807 personal secretary to reichsmarschall Hermann Goering. 4 00:00:42,636 --> 00:00:44,838 She said, 5 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:47,517 "Goering used to select the objects for himself and for the Fuhrer. 6 00:00:47,747 --> 00:00:51,248 My duties included compiling the lists of paintings, 7 00:00:51,278 --> 00:00:54,788 tapestries and pieces of furniture, attending auctions, 8 00:00:55,119 --> 00:00:58,087 and keeping the masterpieces safe in the air-raid shelters, 9 00:00:58,117 --> 00:01:00,428 until February 1944, 10 00:01:00,458 --> 00:01:03,498 when everything was handed over to Walter Hofer." 11 00:01:05,569 --> 00:01:06,999 Walter Hofer... 12 00:01:08,128 --> 00:01:12,639 Goering's personal art agent and director of his collection. 13 00:01:13,239 --> 00:01:17,309 One thousand three hundred seventy six paintings, 250 sculptures 14 00:01:17,679 --> 00:01:20,148 and 168 tapestries. 15 00:01:24,979 --> 00:01:28,350 Here he is, just after the surrender to the Americans. 16 00:01:29,119 --> 00:01:32,789 He cooperated eagerly and helped to catalogue Goering's hoard. 17 00:01:33,529 --> 00:01:38,659 Interrogated by lieutenant colonel hinkel on the 6th of November 1945, he said, 18 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,229 "I bought art in Goering's name. 19 00:01:42,839 --> 00:01:45,970 My reward was to keep the works he didn't want." 20 00:01:48,741 --> 00:01:53,910 And when asked where the money to buy these works came from, he replied, 21 00:01:54,310 --> 00:01:59,220 "I can't be sure, but I think the money belonged to the state." 22 00:02:03,490 --> 00:02:06,721 We will meet several men like Hofer in this story, 23 00:02:06,761 --> 00:02:09,431 an army of curators, critics, 24 00:02:09,461 --> 00:02:11,200 historians and even artists, 25 00:02:11,530 --> 00:02:14,831 who placed their talent at the service of the Nazi regime, 26 00:02:15,031 --> 00:02:17,071 and participated in the raids, 27 00:02:17,101 --> 00:02:20,412 especially on the homes and galleries of Jewish collectors. 28 00:02:20,912 --> 00:02:25,141 Six hundred thousand artworks were purloined from private owners, 29 00:02:25,181 --> 00:02:27,651 museums, churches and galleries. 30 00:02:27,981 --> 00:02:30,112 One hundred thousand are yet to be found. 31 00:02:30,152 --> 00:02:32,480 Of the rest, little or nothing is known. 32 00:02:32,921 --> 00:02:36,451 This is the story of how Hitler looted the great beauty of Europe. 33 00:02:36,922 --> 00:02:39,322 And how he stole not just human lives 34 00:02:39,362 --> 00:02:42,960 but the artistic flowering of an entire culture. 35 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,032 It was more than just an obsession for art. 36 00:02:46,072 --> 00:02:49,101 It was an obsession to wipe out an entire culture. 37 00:02:49,602 --> 00:02:53,241 They were looking to destroy Jewish people. 38 00:02:53,271 --> 00:02:54,642 It was a weapon for them. 39 00:02:55,643 --> 00:02:56,983 Another weapon to the Germans. 40 00:03:05,122 --> 00:03:07,822 Every one of these pictures has a story. 41 00:03:08,523 --> 00:03:12,764 And the backdrop to this great looting is the holocaust. 42 00:03:23,204 --> 00:03:25,373 Now, over 80 years later, 43 00:03:25,403 --> 00:03:29,414 these recovered works have been put on display at four exhibitions. 44 00:03:29,744 --> 00:03:32,784 In Paris, France. In Bern, Switzerland. 45 00:03:33,185 --> 00:03:36,912 in Bonn, Germany. And in deventer, the Netherlands. 46 00:03:39,794 --> 00:03:41,754 Many owners and institutions 47 00:03:41,794 --> 00:03:45,464 are still battling to regain what once was theirs. 48 00:03:46,464 --> 00:03:50,535 Some people maybe don't understand the connection between 49 00:03:50,565 --> 00:03:52,305 the theft of our art, 50 00:03:52,335 --> 00:03:56,904 and families like mine actually losing their lives. 51 00:03:56,944 --> 00:04:01,015 The two things are very directly connected. 52 00:04:01,304 --> 00:04:05,266 In many cases, they had collections seized, 53 00:04:05,425 --> 00:04:09,426 merely saying that the owners were "away" or "on the run". 54 00:04:09,585 --> 00:04:15,266 But often, the Nazis themselves had deported them to the camps. 55 00:04:15,426 --> 00:04:19,105 So it was sophistry, macabre sophistry. 56 00:04:20,866 --> 00:04:24,405 It all began in 1937. 57 00:04:26,937 --> 00:04:29,335 Two exhibitions took place in Munich. 58 00:04:29,745 --> 00:04:31,976 The first, on "degenerate art," 59 00:04:32,345 --> 00:04:35,577 the works and the artists the Nazis decried. 60 00:04:36,087 --> 00:04:38,945 From Marc Chagall to Wassily Kandinsky. 61 00:04:39,356 --> 00:04:43,587 The cubist style of the spaniard Pablo Picasso was frowned upon, too. 62 00:04:44,027 --> 00:04:47,797 Matisse, monet and the impressionists fared no better. 63 00:04:49,365 --> 00:04:53,166 Their works were requisitioned and auctioned off 64 00:04:53,196 --> 00:04:56,868 through amenable dealers and collectors, especially in Switzerland, 65 00:04:57,167 --> 00:05:01,537 and were used by the regime as an investment and to raise cash. 66 00:05:08,047 --> 00:05:11,117 The other exhibition is this one. 67 00:05:11,916 --> 00:05:13,987 The great German art exhibition, 68 00:05:14,017 --> 00:05:16,658 in which the Fuhrer took a personal interest. 69 00:05:17,689 --> 00:05:21,597 It marked the start of the great obsession with classical art, 70 00:05:22,196 --> 00:05:24,897 that would see Goering and Hitler locking horns 71 00:05:24,927 --> 00:05:27,598 for the heritage of the occupied countries. 72 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:33,679 We have met many people. Researchers, historians, 73 00:05:34,039 --> 00:05:38,208 and the descendants of those who were robbed and often killed. 74 00:05:38,908 --> 00:05:41,918 They have all helped to reconstruct a story... 75 00:05:42,787 --> 00:05:44,219 That still today has yet to end. 76 00:05:44,419 --> 00:05:47,588 By doing all the work that we do to document what happened, 77 00:05:47,618 --> 00:05:50,020 we're also restoring to the historical record 78 00:05:50,060 --> 00:05:51,928 people who've been erased from it. 79 00:05:52,389 --> 00:05:54,710 They stole everything. Thanks to the Mobel Aktion 80 00:05:54,869 --> 00:05:58,509 they looted entire apartments, with pendulum clocks, bed linen, 81 00:05:58,749 --> 00:06:03,029 children's toys and cars, and then the paintings. 82 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,120 Does evil have a face? 83 00:06:20,159 --> 00:06:22,460 Can you see it in someone's eyes? 84 00:06:23,860 --> 00:06:26,960 Charlie Chaplin was born in the same week 85 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,299 of the same month of the same year as Hitler. 86 00:06:30,329 --> 00:06:35,600 In 1940, when he parodied him in the great dictator, they were both 51. 87 00:06:36,111 --> 00:06:40,880 One was a star of Hollywood. The other was devastating a continent. 88 00:06:41,581 --> 00:06:46,851 Edgar feuchtwanger was seven years old when he met Hitler in 1930. 89 00:06:47,221 --> 00:06:51,721 The future Fuhrer was 41, they were neighbors in Munich. 90 00:06:52,562 --> 00:06:54,591 Edgar remembers him in his book. 91 00:07:00,562 --> 00:07:03,832 "He's right in front of us, outside his apartment block. 92 00:07:04,332 --> 00:07:08,101 I see that he has shaved his beard, as my father sometimes does. 93 00:07:08,301 --> 00:07:10,401 He has blue eyes. I never knew. 94 00:07:10,441 --> 00:07:11,771 You can't see in the photos. 95 00:07:12,011 --> 00:07:14,182 I thought his eyes were completely black. 96 00:07:15,342 --> 00:07:19,912 I've never seen him so close. He has hairs in his nose and ears. 97 00:07:20,182 --> 00:07:23,222 He's shorter than I thought. Shorter than my father. 98 00:07:23,252 --> 00:07:25,353 The passers-by stop, so do we. 99 00:07:25,723 --> 00:07:27,622 He looks at me. I ought to look away. 100 00:07:27,862 --> 00:07:29,923 But I can't. I stare at him. 101 00:07:30,392 --> 00:07:31,693 Perhaps I should smile at him? 102 00:07:31,963 --> 00:07:34,933 I am his neighbor, after all! Does he recognize me? 103 00:07:35,203 --> 00:07:37,772 Does he know I watch him from my bedroom? 104 00:07:37,803 --> 00:07:39,173 Does he know I'm a Jew? 105 00:07:39,443 --> 00:07:43,042 I don't want him to hate me. Or my father. Or my mother." 106 00:07:43,072 --> 00:07:45,143 Because it's very difficult... 107 00:07:45,943 --> 00:07:49,783 About a person you've actually seen like that. 108 00:07:52,113 --> 00:07:56,124 The idea that he will turn the whole world upside down, 109 00:07:56,154 --> 00:08:00,824 is something... you can't grasp. 110 00:08:24,214 --> 00:08:27,585 "I have now decided before the closing of my earthly career, 111 00:08:27,626 --> 00:08:31,154 to take as my wife that girl, who after long years of faithful friendship, 112 00:08:31,194 --> 00:08:34,224 entered of her own free will a practically besieged city, 113 00:08:34,264 --> 00:08:36,324 in order to share her destiny with mine. 114 00:08:36,364 --> 00:08:39,994 At her own desire, she goes as my wife with me to death." 115 00:08:40,634 --> 00:08:43,705 On the marriage certificate signed by them both, 116 00:08:44,205 --> 00:08:47,546 Eva braun corrected her surname to Hitler. 117 00:08:51,644 --> 00:08:54,445 On the 29th of April 1945, 118 00:08:54,485 --> 00:08:57,956 Adolf Hitler dictated his private will to his secretary. 119 00:08:58,356 --> 00:09:02,385 Then he put a pistol to his right temple and fired. 120 00:09:03,226 --> 00:09:07,296 By his side, Eva braun had taken her own life with poison. 121 00:09:07,325 --> 00:09:09,496 She was wearing her black wedding dress. 122 00:09:11,765 --> 00:09:16,366 The destiny of the Fuhrer's art collection featured prominently in his will. 123 00:09:18,476 --> 00:09:21,107 "What I possess belongs to the party. 124 00:09:21,147 --> 00:09:23,877 Should this no longer exist, to the state. 125 00:09:24,447 --> 00:09:26,516 Should the state too be destroyed, 126 00:09:26,546 --> 00:09:29,447 no further decision on my part is needed. 127 00:09:31,057 --> 00:09:34,256 I have acquired collection of paintings over the years, 128 00:09:34,286 --> 00:09:36,587 not for my private enjoyment, 129 00:09:36,627 --> 00:09:41,098 but solely out of a desire to endow a picture gallery in my birthplace, Linz." 130 00:09:46,337 --> 00:09:50,067 The Fuhrer had planned the ultimate museum for Germany, 131 00:09:50,108 --> 00:09:53,307 the louvre of Linz, the city where he grew up, 132 00:09:53,347 --> 00:09:56,078 where he had begun his mediocre painting career, 133 00:09:56,118 --> 00:09:59,678 rejected twice by the Vienna academy of fine arts. 134 00:10:09,858 --> 00:10:12,359 Hermann Goering, Hitler's deputy, 135 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:15,198 also left a record of his own obsession with art, 136 00:10:15,628 --> 00:10:19,038 a catalogue, listing all the works in his collection, 137 00:10:19,408 --> 00:10:23,409 ordered with teutonic discipline from 1933 onwards, 138 00:10:23,439 --> 00:10:25,678 with the artist, provenance, 139 00:10:25,708 --> 00:10:29,249 description, date, dealer and location. 140 00:10:29,779 --> 00:10:33,580 After the war, the manuscript would be used as evidence against him. 141 00:10:40,359 --> 00:10:45,299 Jean-Marc Dreyfus, holocaust scholar and lecturer at Manchester university, 142 00:10:45,499 --> 00:10:49,400 has reconstructed the journey of the Generalfeldmarschall's collection. 143 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,070 He has edited the French edition of the manuscript, 144 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:55,170 with historians and archivists from the Quai d'Orsay. 145 00:10:55,210 --> 00:10:59,780 Goering's gallery was valued in 1944 at 50 million deutschmarks. 146 00:11:00,410 --> 00:11:03,911 In today's money, that's 18 million Euros. 147 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,281 He had a kind of hunger, a bottomless gluttony for riches. 148 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,240 He was one of the greatest looters in history, 149 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,640 even more so than Hitler. 150 00:11:16,301 --> 00:11:18,630 This is confirmed 151 00:11:18,660 --> 00:11:23,531 by the statement of the party newspaper's most important art critic, Robert Scholz. 152 00:11:23,870 --> 00:11:27,142 He worked for the err, the special Nazi unit 153 00:11:27,172 --> 00:11:31,741 led by Alfred Rosenberg that looted the occupied territories. 154 00:11:33,011 --> 00:11:36,012 "Goering had asked Hitler for permission 155 00:11:36,052 --> 00:11:40,892 to examine the collections confiscated so far and to decide what to do with them. 156 00:11:42,052 --> 00:11:45,361 Hitler received about 40 masterpieces, 157 00:11:45,892 --> 00:11:50,161 including works by Vermeer, Rubens, Boucher. 158 00:11:50,861 --> 00:11:54,432 Most of them belonged to the rothschild collections. 159 00:11:55,001 --> 00:11:58,073 Hermann Goering kept around 700 works for himself, 160 00:11:58,103 --> 00:12:02,572 including paintings by Van Dyck, Goya and Van de Velde." 161 00:12:02,962 --> 00:12:07,043 It was the finest art collection bar none in the Nazi era. 162 00:12:07,203 --> 00:12:12,443 All the greats of European painting, of European heritage, 163 00:12:12,723 --> 00:12:16,283 were there. Leonardo da Vinci, Tiepolo, Titian. 164 00:12:16,603 --> 00:12:19,761 There was a real fixation with Cranach. 165 00:12:35,674 --> 00:12:39,714 Carinhall, a residence 60 kilometers north of Berlin, 166 00:12:40,184 --> 00:12:42,582 was Goering's gallery of wonders. 167 00:12:43,183 --> 00:12:46,384 This place, in the heart of the imperial forest, 168 00:12:46,424 --> 00:12:48,024 became a hedonists' heaven... 169 00:12:49,295 --> 00:12:51,564 With dinners and hunting parties, 170 00:12:51,594 --> 00:12:55,193 where Goering entertained the German and international aristocracy, 171 00:12:55,233 --> 00:12:56,794 at Hitler's behest. 172 00:13:07,814 --> 00:13:10,046 The Nazis were possessed with status. 173 00:13:10,516 --> 00:13:14,013 And art is a traditional means of... 174 00:13:15,355 --> 00:13:16,815 Rising status. 175 00:13:16,855 --> 00:13:22,095 People who dread power, try to look as much as they can, 176 00:13:22,125 --> 00:13:23,525 on the old power. 177 00:13:23,565 --> 00:13:26,626 Germany had this tradition of high nobility, 178 00:13:27,136 --> 00:13:29,994 connected to the German emperor, old family ties. 179 00:13:30,034 --> 00:13:32,265 And the Nazis were just bourgeois. 180 00:13:32,565 --> 00:13:36,375 So they built hunting lodges because the nobility liked to hunt, 181 00:13:36,605 --> 00:13:38,775 they'd buy hunting scenes. 182 00:13:38,805 --> 00:13:42,576 They do everything to show the old power 183 00:13:42,616 --> 00:13:46,146 that the new power speaks the same language. 184 00:13:46,417 --> 00:13:48,456 Which they don't, eventually. 185 00:13:52,487 --> 00:13:54,955 Goering had blue blood from his mother, 186 00:13:55,295 --> 00:13:58,297 and felt at ease in the role of an aristocrat. 187 00:13:58,966 --> 00:14:03,968 His first wife was Danish baroness, carin Von kantzow. 188 00:14:04,308 --> 00:14:05,905 He worshipped her, 189 00:14:05,935 --> 00:14:09,906 and after her premature death in 1931, aged just 43, 190 00:14:09,946 --> 00:14:12,176 he dedicated the villa to her as a mausoleum. 191 00:14:12,708 --> 00:14:17,517 Here, surrounded by portraits of carin, Goering lived with his second wife, 192 00:14:17,547 --> 00:14:22,087 playing with his train sets, always on a diet, always obese. 193 00:14:23,288 --> 00:14:27,807 He was a very complex, childish character. 194 00:14:27,966 --> 00:14:31,208 He liked to wear make-up, as the photos show, 195 00:14:31,368 --> 00:14:34,208 and dressing up, we see him in various outfits. 196 00:14:34,368 --> 00:14:38,768 At one point, he was likened to a brothel manager, a pimp. 197 00:14:38,968 --> 00:14:43,808 All very odd yet he was also a powerful, highly intelligent man. 198 00:14:44,179 --> 00:14:48,318 Goering was consumed by his passion for art and money. 199 00:14:48,677 --> 00:14:53,518 In January 1945, when the Russians were already at the gates of Berlin, 200 00:14:53,558 --> 00:14:55,289 he waited to the last minute 201 00:14:55,319 --> 00:14:57,657 before ordering his gallery to be evacuated. 202 00:14:57,928 --> 00:15:00,259 Before giving the order to blow up carinhall, 203 00:15:00,299 --> 00:15:03,928 he had the bronzes by arno breker, the sculptor of the reich, 204 00:15:04,199 --> 00:15:06,600 thrown in the waters of the wuchersee. 205 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,500 The special trains that had brought artworks to the villa over the years, 206 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:15,979 were now packed with statues and paintings and sent to secure hiding places. 207 00:15:51,509 --> 00:15:57,420 Amid the peaks of styria, in Austria, lies altaussee salt mine. 208 00:16:02,421 --> 00:16:04,562 From August 1943, 209 00:16:05,191 --> 00:16:09,861 giant racks were built in chambers hewn from the rock by the miners, 210 00:16:10,071 --> 00:16:14,231 to keep thousands of artworks safe for the Fuhrer's museum. 211 00:16:27,921 --> 00:16:30,482 Here, in may 1945, 212 00:16:30,522 --> 00:16:34,052 the Americans found part of Hitler's treasure trove. 213 00:16:34,722 --> 00:16:37,222 Six thousand five hundred paintings, statues, 214 00:16:37,462 --> 00:16:38,562 coins, weapons, 215 00:16:38,992 --> 00:16:41,403 antiquarian books and pieces of furniture. 216 00:16:41,433 --> 00:16:45,272 There were Michelangelo's Madonna and child, stolen in Bruges, 217 00:16:45,302 --> 00:16:48,842 the imposing Ghent Altarpiece by the Van Eyck brothers, 218 00:16:48,872 --> 00:16:53,342 removed from the cathedral in Ghent and dismantled to fit through the tunnels, 219 00:16:53,382 --> 00:16:56,913 and one of the paintings that Hitler craved the most. 220 00:16:57,383 --> 00:16:59,552 The astronomer by Jan Vermeer, 221 00:16:59,582 --> 00:17:04,082 plundered from the rothschild family, the ultimate symbol of the Jewish enemy. 222 00:17:09,293 --> 00:17:11,864 Along with the works in Hitler's hoard, 223 00:17:12,234 --> 00:17:15,434 there were several masterpieces from Goering's. 224 00:17:16,804 --> 00:17:19,404 They included Titian's Danae... 225 00:17:21,274 --> 00:17:23,405 A Madonna by Raphael... 226 00:17:25,474 --> 00:17:28,984 The blind leading the blind by Brueghel the elder... 227 00:17:30,114 --> 00:17:32,515 And Antea by Parmigianino. 228 00:17:35,423 --> 00:17:39,995 The paintings, now all in the museo di capodimonte in Naples, 229 00:17:40,524 --> 00:17:43,795 had been placed in montecassino Abbey for safekeeping. 230 00:17:44,066 --> 00:17:48,905 The German troops in Goering's division stole them and brought them to Berlin, 231 00:17:48,935 --> 00:17:52,104 as the reichsmarschall's 51st birthday present. 232 00:17:54,616 --> 00:18:00,375 The American army had set up a special unit in Washington 233 00:18:00,576 --> 00:18:06,695 made up solely of art historians, called "the Monuments Men", 234 00:18:07,175 --> 00:18:15,456 enlisted soldiers who monitored all artwork movements around Europe. 235 00:18:17,396 --> 00:18:21,507 The monuments men worked in the field in war-torn Europe, 236 00:18:22,106 --> 00:18:25,177 while in New York, in this library, 237 00:18:25,207 --> 00:18:27,676 other experts planned the efforts 238 00:18:27,706 --> 00:18:31,176 to safeguard the cultural heritage of the countries involved in the conflict. 239 00:18:32,146 --> 00:18:36,018 Here, they studied maps and art history manuals, 240 00:18:36,048 --> 00:18:38,916 they compared photographs and street plans, 241 00:18:38,956 --> 00:18:40,987 and marked out the monuments to save. 242 00:18:41,187 --> 00:18:43,027 Churches, museums, 243 00:18:43,057 --> 00:18:45,897 historic buildings and archaeological sites. 244 00:18:46,667 --> 00:18:50,527 They gathered together here at the frick art reference library, 245 00:18:50,567 --> 00:18:53,037 partly because it is this institution 246 00:18:53,067 --> 00:18:57,938 that had the resources to help them get this information together. 247 00:18:57,978 --> 00:19:02,507 And then eventually prepare maps to give to the army air corps, 248 00:19:02,547 --> 00:19:07,218 that would allow the pilots to avoid important monuments in Europe, 249 00:19:07,248 --> 00:19:13,088 in the many, many bombing raids they launched during 1943 and '44. 250 00:19:52,399 --> 00:19:55,199 In merkers, north of Frankfurt, 251 00:19:55,429 --> 00:19:58,940 the us troops under generals eisenhower and patton, 252 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,709 found the reichsbank's hoard of gold and cash in a potassium mine. 253 00:20:04,740 --> 00:20:08,250 It was worth over 520 million dollars. 254 00:20:08,780 --> 00:20:13,879 Piled up in a corner were 400 paintings evacuated from some Berlin museums, 255 00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:18,090 including in the conservatory by eduard manet, 256 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:20,461 and goya's carnivorous vulture. 257 00:20:22,191 --> 00:20:26,561 One of the caves contained 207 sealed containers, 258 00:20:26,601 --> 00:20:28,231 part of the SS Booty, 259 00:20:28,271 --> 00:20:31,001 not yet laundered by the Reichsbank, 260 00:20:31,271 --> 00:20:32,441 full of valuables, 261 00:20:32,741 --> 00:20:35,010 seized from concentration camp deportees. 262 00:20:35,470 --> 00:20:37,641 Coins, silverware and jewelry. 263 00:20:37,941 --> 00:20:40,141 And the prisoners' gold teeth. 264 00:20:41,312 --> 00:20:45,151 It would emerge, that all the transactions for the SS Haul 265 00:20:45,181 --> 00:20:49,151 went through an account in the name of Max Heilinger, 266 00:20:49,191 --> 00:20:51,692 aka Heinrich Himmler, 267 00:20:51,722 --> 00:20:53,961 the architect of the genocide. 268 00:20:58,332 --> 00:21:02,503 Five hundred kilometers to the south, in Berchtesgaden, 269 00:21:02,903 --> 00:21:05,771 home to Hitler's retreat, the eagle's nest, 270 00:21:06,001 --> 00:21:09,812 the statues and paintings transported by Goering's trains 271 00:21:09,842 --> 00:21:12,313 were found hidden in another salt mine. 272 00:21:13,283 --> 00:21:17,511 That is where the paintings of Jacques Goudstikker also ended up, 273 00:21:17,823 --> 00:21:18,883 thanks to Goering. 274 00:21:19,453 --> 00:21:23,393 Goudstikker was a respected Amsterdam art dealer. 275 00:21:23,993 --> 00:21:28,693 This is a catalogue of his exhibition from 1930. 276 00:21:29,063 --> 00:21:30,062 He was Jewish, 277 00:21:31,133 --> 00:21:34,233 and when the Nazis invaded Holland on the 10th of may 1940, 278 00:21:34,634 --> 00:21:37,003 Goering and his dealer, Hofer, 279 00:21:37,243 --> 00:21:40,803 had already earmarked 1,240 of his works for themselves. 280 00:21:42,113 --> 00:21:43,673 Goudstikker's story 281 00:21:44,114 --> 00:21:47,213 typifies how these affairs dragged on for decades, 282 00:21:47,653 --> 00:21:52,124 leaving the grandchildren the task of achieving closure with the past. 283 00:22:08,674 --> 00:22:13,444 In an apartment in New York, in a central district built in the 1930s, 284 00:22:13,474 --> 00:22:15,875 the walls are hung with some of the masterpieces 285 00:22:15,915 --> 00:22:20,645 from the Goudstikker collection, recovered after protracted legal battles. 286 00:22:27,696 --> 00:22:31,256 Charlene Von Saher is Jacques's granddaughter. 287 00:22:32,024 --> 00:22:34,524 She lives here with her mother, Marei. 288 00:22:34,965 --> 00:22:38,036 After the war, Goudstikker's wife had asked the Dutch government 289 00:22:38,365 --> 00:22:40,805 for her husband's collection to be returned, 290 00:22:41,075 --> 00:22:42,936 but only part of it came back. 291 00:22:44,206 --> 00:22:46,545 The bulk of the collection had been declared 292 00:22:46,575 --> 00:22:50,544 "national property of the Netherlands," and shared among the country's museums. 293 00:23:05,967 --> 00:23:09,336 In 1997, a journalist from Rotterdam, 294 00:23:09,366 --> 00:23:13,067 who was investigating the non-return of assets after the war, 295 00:23:13,366 --> 00:23:16,877 tracked down Charlene and her mother here in New York. 296 00:23:18,147 --> 00:23:21,077 With his help, and thanks to the gallery labels 297 00:23:21,117 --> 00:23:24,117 that her grandfather had put on the back of the pictures, 298 00:23:24,147 --> 00:23:26,286 she decided to make a new claim... 299 00:23:27,287 --> 00:23:30,517 A step towards reuniting the collection of paintings 300 00:23:30,557 --> 00:23:35,358 that goudstikker had exhibited many times in nyenrode castle, 301 00:23:35,398 --> 00:23:37,458 before the Nazi occupation. 302 00:23:45,608 --> 00:23:48,937 He used the castle to display his art. 303 00:23:49,177 --> 00:23:54,707 He brought his customers from Amsterdam on the amstel on the boat, 304 00:23:54,947 --> 00:23:57,248 to the castle, and showed them 305 00:23:57,288 --> 00:24:00,449 all the beautiful paintings he had acquired. 306 00:24:00,489 --> 00:24:03,818 What a great way to display art. 307 00:24:08,299 --> 00:24:12,400 Nyenrode castle stands in the utrecht countryside. 308 00:24:13,170 --> 00:24:14,469 It's now a university. 309 00:24:15,069 --> 00:24:18,369 In 1930, Jacques Goudstikker had bought it 310 00:24:18,409 --> 00:24:21,370 to hold cultural soirees and charity events. 311 00:24:22,510 --> 00:24:26,108 Every room was furnished in the style of a different era. 312 00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:33,421 It was at one of his big charity parties 313 00:24:33,451 --> 00:24:36,358 that he called vienen an der werkt, 314 00:24:36,718 --> 00:24:40,189 where he created Vienna on the werkt river 315 00:24:40,999 --> 00:24:44,859 brought in a big orchestra and oriental carpets, 316 00:24:44,899 --> 00:24:49,701 and chandeliers with candles and invited my grandmother, 317 00:24:49,741 --> 00:24:53,871 Desi Von Halban, a soprano, from Vienna, 318 00:24:54,341 --> 00:24:55,840 to sing at this party. 319 00:24:56,410 --> 00:24:58,041 And that's where they first met. 320 00:24:58,381 --> 00:25:01,720 And they fell in love and were married shortly afterwards. 321 00:25:04,752 --> 00:25:09,960 Charlene's grandmother desi was Jewish, originally from Poland. 322 00:25:10,561 --> 00:25:12,931 The castle's rooms were her stage, 323 00:25:12,961 --> 00:25:16,701 which she graced with elegance but without ostentation. 324 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:22,742 She loved the skies and clouds of Holland and singing Puccini arias. 325 00:25:23,072 --> 00:25:26,871 She and Jacques were a wealthy, happy couple. 326 00:25:29,311 --> 00:25:32,211 After 1938, many Jews living in the Netherlands 327 00:25:32,251 --> 00:25:34,211 had begun to leave the country. 328 00:25:36,282 --> 00:25:39,522 Jacques put off the decision and continued to run his gallery, 329 00:25:40,023 --> 00:25:42,322 meanwhile, their son, eduard, was born. 330 00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:47,362 Before leaving, he tried to save his vast, cherished art collection, 331 00:25:47,633 --> 00:25:51,062 especially the masterpieces of the great flemish masters, 332 00:25:51,372 --> 00:25:52,872 and the Italian baroque. 333 00:25:53,202 --> 00:25:54,273 To no avail. 334 00:25:54,702 --> 00:25:57,573 Of those 1,240 works, 335 00:25:57,873 --> 00:26:00,373 three hundred ended up at carinhall, 336 00:26:00,583 --> 00:26:05,052 fifty paintings were given to Hitler. The rest were put up for sale. 337 00:26:09,322 --> 00:26:13,493 Hermann Goering showed up on the doorstep of my grandfather's gallery, 338 00:26:13,523 --> 00:26:14,694 the minute they left. 339 00:26:15,264 --> 00:26:18,464 But he knew well in advance what was there. 340 00:26:18,965 --> 00:26:22,463 They all did their research before the war. 341 00:26:28,374 --> 00:26:33,244 Jacques, Desi and their son, aged just a few months, fled westward. 342 00:26:33,815 --> 00:26:37,915 They wanted to reach england and then the usa, but they had no visas. 343 00:26:38,214 --> 00:26:40,553 At the north sea port of Jmuiden, 344 00:26:40,583 --> 00:26:44,324 a soldier recognized Desi, who had often sung for the troops. 345 00:26:44,794 --> 00:26:49,325 He helped them to board the last ship before it left, the bodegraven. 346 00:26:49,665 --> 00:26:50,864 They were safe. 347 00:26:52,265 --> 00:26:54,545 But there would be no American dream in store for Jacques. 348 00:27:00,905 --> 00:27:04,406 He went up for some air, and it was dark, 349 00:27:04,816 --> 00:27:09,716 and he fell into a trap hole in the deck, 350 00:27:09,746 --> 00:27:11,716 and he was killed instantly. 351 00:27:12,154 --> 00:27:17,425 And my grandmother waited and waited for his return, 352 00:27:17,455 --> 00:27:18,895 and he never came back. 353 00:27:18,925 --> 00:27:22,226 Normally, they would throw people overboard, but... 354 00:27:23,226 --> 00:27:27,766 My grandmother was lucky she could plan a funeral for my grandfather in Falmouth. 355 00:27:29,606 --> 00:27:30,966 She planned the funeral, 356 00:27:31,006 --> 00:27:33,135 but she was not allowed to attend the funeral. 357 00:27:33,175 --> 00:27:38,376 And she wanted to make sure they sang, Cole Porter's "night and day." 358 00:27:43,917 --> 00:27:46,657 Desi was left with a babe in arms, 359 00:27:46,916 --> 00:27:50,157 and a little black book found by her husband's body. 360 00:27:50,696 --> 00:27:52,897 It listed all the works he owned, 361 00:27:53,357 --> 00:27:57,567 many of which were already in Goering and Hitler's hands. 362 00:28:02,038 --> 00:28:08,197 On his 45th birthday, the Reich air force minister, General Goering, 363 00:28:08,557 --> 00:28:13,199 was awarded numerous decorations and honoured by a visit from the Fuhrer, 364 00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:16,077 who gave him a priceless painting 365 00:28:16,237 --> 00:28:19,399 that would have pride of place in his house. 366 00:28:23,459 --> 00:28:25,957 Hitler and Goering were great friends, 367 00:28:26,257 --> 00:28:28,528 they had both fought in World War I, 368 00:28:29,128 --> 00:28:31,769 they were side by side in the Munich beer hall 369 00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:34,569 during their attempted coup of 1923. 370 00:28:35,139 --> 00:28:39,139 And they were together on the 30th of January 1933, 371 00:28:39,408 --> 00:28:42,178 the day Hitler became chancellor of the reich. 372 00:28:42,378 --> 00:28:45,779 But when the great looting of Europe's art heritage began, 373 00:28:45,819 --> 00:28:46,918 they became rivals, 374 00:28:47,318 --> 00:28:49,549 vying for the finest pieces. 375 00:28:50,919 --> 00:28:55,040 A great rivalry emerged between Goering and Hitler, 376 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,439 they even tried to pinch works from under each other's noses. 377 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:03,319 Hitler himself, who had only recently realised 378 00:29:03,479 --> 00:29:05,440 that he could exploit the situation, 379 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:12,520 issued an order that the Fuhrer had first choice of the works. 380 00:29:34,270 --> 00:29:36,101 For the leaders of the reich, 381 00:29:36,131 --> 00:29:39,370 the need to build a strong, absolute identity, 382 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,371 became an obsession that was increasingly bound up with art. 383 00:29:46,982 --> 00:29:49,580 The process of constructing the Nazi narrative 384 00:29:49,980 --> 00:29:52,751 also involved the quest for an absolute aesthetic 385 00:29:52,781 --> 00:29:56,251 harking back to the classical ideals of perfection. 386 00:29:58,392 --> 00:30:00,891 The relationship between art and politics, 387 00:30:00,931 --> 00:30:05,402 thus became central to the organization of the new German empire. 388 00:30:07,802 --> 00:30:10,471 Propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, 389 00:30:10,501 --> 00:30:14,242 led the campaigns against anyone, who was out of step. 390 00:30:20,563 --> 00:30:25,962 The Nazis knew full well how effective art is in the public domain, 391 00:30:26,602 --> 00:30:31,801 and they exploited art for propaganda purposes - with great success. 392 00:30:34,963 --> 00:30:37,363 The Day of German Art in Munich. 393 00:30:39,284 --> 00:30:42,762 Chancellor Hitler attends the impressive parade 394 00:30:42,922 --> 00:30:46,282 commemorating German art over the centuries. 395 00:30:47,343 --> 00:30:50,374 On the 18th of July 1937, 396 00:30:50,684 --> 00:30:54,483 Munich celebrated the opening of the house of German art 397 00:30:54,884 --> 00:30:57,514 designed by Paul Ludwig troost, 398 00:30:57,824 --> 00:31:00,084 one of the Fuhrer's favorite architects. 399 00:31:00,654 --> 00:31:02,723 It was a triumph of swastikas, 400 00:31:02,753 --> 00:31:04,693 floats and virile power. 401 00:31:05,364 --> 00:31:07,994 The parade included a model of the new building. 402 00:31:08,364 --> 00:31:11,865 Hitler had just opened the great exhibition on German art there, 403 00:31:12,465 --> 00:31:15,975 "the art of the people," as he termed it in his speech. 404 00:31:16,505 --> 00:31:18,504 "Majesty and beauty, 405 00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:20,204 purity and wellbeing 406 00:31:20,244 --> 00:31:23,743 to counter the last elements of our cultural decay." 407 00:31:25,883 --> 00:31:27,844 The next day, the 19th, 408 00:31:28,085 --> 00:31:32,526 the exhibition of degenerate art opened in the hofgarten. 409 00:31:35,324 --> 00:31:42,285 And so in Munich, a few hundred metres apart, began the clash 410 00:31:42,445 --> 00:31:46,765 between what was now to be the official art and the art that... 411 00:31:47,165 --> 00:31:51,286 yes, it's no exaggeration to say, that was to be destroyed. 412 00:31:53,576 --> 00:31:55,745 The exhibitions were polar opposites, 413 00:31:55,775 --> 00:31:58,446 as art historian berthold hinz explains. 414 00:31:59,085 --> 00:32:03,357 One featured expressionism, impressionism, surrealism, cubism 415 00:32:03,387 --> 00:32:06,856 the art of the "isms," as the Fuhrer scornfully dismissed it: 416 00:32:06,886 --> 00:32:09,726 Fleeting fashions, deviancy, chaos. 417 00:32:12,766 --> 00:32:14,897 The other was about classical art, 418 00:32:14,937 --> 00:32:18,436 with its reassuring, beautiful, immortal works, 419 00:32:18,737 --> 00:32:21,007 like the paintings of Adolf ziegler, 420 00:32:21,037 --> 00:32:24,078 delegated by Hitler to curate the exhibition. 421 00:32:27,606 --> 00:32:32,607 In no other city were these two extremes so dramatically expressed. 422 00:32:32,767 --> 00:32:37,287 Distortion, expressivity, radical questions, on one hand, 423 00:32:37,447 --> 00:32:40,647 state-endorsed classical beauty, on the other. 424 00:32:49,267 --> 00:32:52,467 Joseph goebbels also appointed Adolf Ziegler 425 00:32:52,507 --> 00:32:55,308 to select the works of the "degenerate" artists, 426 00:32:55,679 --> 00:32:58,638 from Paul Klee to Oskar Kokoschka, 427 00:32:58,677 --> 00:33:01,348 from Otto Dix to El Lissitzky. 428 00:33:02,618 --> 00:33:06,419 In just over two weeks, 650 paintings and sculptures 429 00:33:06,719 --> 00:33:10,258 were commandeered from 32 German museums. 430 00:33:10,988 --> 00:33:13,858 The exhibition would tour to another 12 cities 431 00:33:13,889 --> 00:33:15,358 in Germany and Austria. 432 00:33:15,658 --> 00:33:20,198 It would be seen by an audience of over two million people. 433 00:33:20,228 --> 00:33:21,798 A remarkable success. 434 00:33:26,849 --> 00:33:32,209 Many of the works were hung haphazardly, askew, 435 00:33:32,369 --> 00:33:37,730 some without frames, to make it all look especially ugly and chaotic. 436 00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:50,161 Freedom of expression and the extreme languages of modern art 437 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,200 were presented to the public as a threat to the aesthetic of the reich 438 00:33:54,669 --> 00:33:56,799 and to Hitler's ideology. 439 00:33:57,740 --> 00:34:00,611 That exhibition marked a point of no return. 440 00:34:00,641 --> 00:34:02,610 Some artists were Jewish, 441 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,311 but so, moreover, were many collectors of the avant-garde. 442 00:34:06,351 --> 00:34:10,922 And anti-semitism was at the root of Nazi doctrine. 443 00:34:11,929 --> 00:34:15,570 Teacher and architect Paul Schultze-Naumburg 444 00:34:15,730 --> 00:34:18,691 published a book, "Art and Race", 445 00:34:18,851 --> 00:34:26,051 which depicted human clinical cases alongside modern artworks. 446 00:34:26,211 --> 00:34:30,211 He was trying to create a visual link between 447 00:34:30,371 --> 00:34:36,491 artworks and disease, enfeeblement and racial inferiority. 448 00:34:37,912 --> 00:34:41,713 This text, first published in 1928, 449 00:34:41,753 --> 00:34:45,382 served as a reference for the exhibition on degenerate art. 450 00:34:46,522 --> 00:34:49,692 But the origin of this term is quite ironic. 451 00:34:50,591 --> 00:34:55,962 It was coined in 1892 by a Jewish doctor, Max Nordau. 452 00:34:57,262 --> 00:35:02,803 He had studied modern social phenomena and the decadence of the ruling classes. 453 00:35:04,142 --> 00:35:07,842 He admired lombroso and his theories of physiognomy. 454 00:35:08,883 --> 00:35:11,182 He believed that the artists of his era 455 00:35:11,212 --> 00:35:14,653 had been seduced by the neuroses and madness of the times, 456 00:35:14,883 --> 00:35:18,724 and that their works were the expression of a terrible epidemic 457 00:35:19,054 --> 00:35:21,552 that had led to a degenerate art. 458 00:35:23,723 --> 00:35:27,733 So, the Nazis made the most of this. 459 00:35:28,733 --> 00:35:31,863 And since the new artistic trends were supported, 460 00:35:32,103 --> 00:35:34,174 above all, by the Jewish dealers... 461 00:35:35,574 --> 00:35:38,504 The connection became tragically clear. 462 00:35:42,143 --> 00:35:44,045 The Nazis' love for art 463 00:35:44,584 --> 00:35:49,554 entered the realms of the absurd with the sculptor Rudolf Belling. 464 00:35:53,394 --> 00:35:58,064 His works actually appeared in both the 1937 exhibitions. 465 00:35:58,394 --> 00:36:02,665 His expressionist sculptures the triad and head in brass, 466 00:36:02,934 --> 00:36:05,105 featured in the degenerate exhibition, 467 00:36:05,135 --> 00:36:10,406 the boxeur, a portrait of boxer Max Schmeling, in the German one. 468 00:36:11,445 --> 00:36:15,545 - Max Schmeling. 469 00:36:15,585 --> 00:36:17,784 In may 1936 in New York, 470 00:36:18,154 --> 00:36:22,956 the German boxer Max Schmeling knocked out the American Joe Louis, 471 00:36:23,286 --> 00:36:25,626 nicknamed the "brown bomber." 472 00:36:39,576 --> 00:36:44,576 For the regime, Schmeling became the Aryan symbol to show the world, 473 00:36:44,946 --> 00:36:48,317 in the year when Germany hosted the Olympics in Berlin. 474 00:36:49,315 --> 00:36:52,916 Two years later, when Schmeling returned to America for the rematch, 475 00:36:53,256 --> 00:36:55,256 he was the fighter with the swastika. 476 00:36:55,886 --> 00:36:57,427 Louis knocked him out. 477 00:36:57,697 --> 00:36:59,826 Schmeling was no longer of use to Hitler. 478 00:36:59,856 --> 00:37:04,167 But in 1937, the year of the two exhibitions in Munich, 479 00:37:04,197 --> 00:37:06,597 he was still the lord of the ring. 480 00:37:10,577 --> 00:37:13,897 This is surely also why the Rudolf Belling bust 481 00:37:14,057 --> 00:37:16,177 was allowed to remain in the exhibition. 482 00:37:16,337 --> 00:37:18,698 Indeed, this provides an interesting end to the whole story. 483 00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:24,377 "The Triad" and "Head in Brass" were removed from the degenerate-art exhibition 484 00:37:24,537 --> 00:37:28,337 so that Max Schmeling could stay in the other one. 485 00:37:31,458 --> 00:37:34,328 Schmeling found himself amid the swastikas, 486 00:37:34,798 --> 00:37:38,628 lauded as an Aryan man and portrayed like a Greek god. 487 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,307 This and the next seven editions of the great German art exhibition 488 00:37:43,737 --> 00:37:48,139 were a paean to rustic life, to the old crafts and trades, 489 00:37:48,348 --> 00:37:52,648 to bucolic landscapes, to the family and motherhood. 490 00:37:53,978 --> 00:37:57,699 It was simple rustic painting; 491 00:37:57,859 --> 00:38:01,419 naturally, the mother and child now became a strong theme, 492 00:38:01,579 --> 00:38:06,379 and nudes were painted, incredibly, that verged on the obscene. 493 00:38:06,539 --> 00:38:14,499 This was clearly supposed to encourage mothers to "give"the Fuhrer, 494 00:38:14,659 --> 00:38:17,180 as they put it, many children. 495 00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:21,211 Healthy, handsome, blond children. 496 00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:26,150 Genes to improve the race, in life and in the museums. 497 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,290 Those who failed to meet those standards were to be eliminated 498 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,821 from art and from the world. 499 00:38:33,361 --> 00:38:37,430 But even the most rigid ideology can be prey to contradictions. 500 00:38:41,872 --> 00:38:46,170 Emil nolde, a Nazi party member and diehard anti-semite, 501 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,071 found his expressionist works among the degenerate artists. 502 00:38:50,441 --> 00:38:53,681 Yet Goering would keep collecting his paintings. 503 00:38:54,611 --> 00:38:57,210 The same applied to Max Beckmann. 504 00:38:57,751 --> 00:38:59,251 His art was suppressed, 505 00:38:59,551 --> 00:39:02,721 yet it still hung in the parlors of Berlin's elite, 506 00:39:02,922 --> 00:39:05,551 frequented by the party's leading lights. 507 00:39:11,601 --> 00:39:15,832 In those tumultuous days, many important German Jews 508 00:39:15,872 --> 00:39:19,172 deplored the Nazi party's ingrained anti-semitism... 509 00:39:19,772 --> 00:39:23,512 While valuing the idea of a strong, stable Germany. 510 00:39:25,383 --> 00:39:27,011 They all felt German. 511 00:39:27,211 --> 00:39:30,512 Soon, they would become just Jews. 512 00:39:40,893 --> 00:39:44,793 This is what happened to Fritz and Louise Gutmann, 513 00:39:45,103 --> 00:39:48,732 Simon's grandparents, and his father, Bernard. 514 00:39:49,072 --> 00:39:51,873 The affair would rear its head many years later, 515 00:39:51,903 --> 00:39:54,743 as a huge delivery of boxes came from Germany 516 00:39:54,973 --> 00:39:57,144 to invade his life in the usa. 517 00:40:01,783 --> 00:40:06,554 The boxes arrived at my brother's house in the valley. 518 00:40:06,584 --> 00:40:10,853 And he called me over, said, "you have to come. 519 00:40:11,364 --> 00:40:15,064 All these things have just arrived. What are we going to do with them?" 520 00:40:22,604 --> 00:40:26,875 Simon knew that there was something unspoken in his family. 521 00:40:29,045 --> 00:40:32,745 His father had always been sad and pained. 522 00:40:33,844 --> 00:40:35,685 Now he was dead, 523 00:40:36,155 --> 00:40:39,485 and here in front of him, a mountain of old papers, 524 00:40:39,525 --> 00:40:43,925 letters and exhibition catalogues that had arrived in Los Angeles. 525 00:40:52,564 --> 00:40:57,605 It all revolved around Fritz and Louise Gutmann, his grandparents, 526 00:40:58,175 --> 00:41:00,945 and those all-too-brief years between the wars. 527 00:41:01,545 --> 00:41:04,975 They lived here in the Bosbeek estate, near the hague. 528 00:41:05,946 --> 00:41:09,287 In that endless garden full of centuries-old trees, 529 00:41:09,317 --> 00:41:11,885 Simon's dad and his sister, Lili, 530 00:41:11,925 --> 00:41:13,955 played with a mini Bugatti pedal car 531 00:41:13,986 --> 00:41:16,496 surrounded by all their white terrier dogs. 532 00:41:24,196 --> 00:41:25,937 The Gutmanns were German, 533 00:41:26,407 --> 00:41:28,807 they belonged to a dynasty of bankers. 534 00:41:28,837 --> 00:41:31,137 They had established the Dresdner bank. 535 00:41:31,447 --> 00:41:35,577 The founding father, Eugen, a convert from judaism to catholicism, 536 00:41:35,617 --> 00:41:38,677 had assembled the world's most extraordinary collection 537 00:41:38,717 --> 00:41:41,318 of renaissance gold and silver objects. 538 00:41:41,518 --> 00:41:46,426 Eventually I discovered even the kaiser was jealous 539 00:41:46,727 --> 00:41:49,227 of our renaissance gold and silver collection 540 00:41:49,257 --> 00:41:53,128 he muttered to Bismarck, "this is fit for a prince." 541 00:41:55,437 --> 00:41:59,238 The most priceless items included three bracket clocks 542 00:41:59,268 --> 00:42:01,969 with remarkable, perfectly preserved mechanisms, 543 00:42:02,339 --> 00:42:06,107 now kept in the landesmuseum Wurttemberg, Stuttgart. 544 00:42:07,047 --> 00:42:10,378 They measure the time and the movements of the stars. 545 00:42:18,429 --> 00:42:20,559 They are extraordinary objects, 546 00:42:21,059 --> 00:42:25,258 like this piece where monkeys, stags, lions, 547 00:42:25,467 --> 00:42:31,069 elephants and unicorns listen, spellbound, to the music of orpheus. 548 00:42:48,158 --> 00:42:51,660 The ostrich flaps its wings on the hour, 549 00:42:51,690 --> 00:42:55,161 and the little bear beats the drum, you know like a clock. 550 00:43:09,179 --> 00:43:12,711 After the great war, Fritz Gutmann left Germany 551 00:43:12,751 --> 00:43:14,280 and settled in the Netherlands. 552 00:43:14,310 --> 00:43:17,419 He was entranced by Guardi and Cranach the elder, 553 00:43:17,449 --> 00:43:19,419 Memling and Bosch. 554 00:43:19,449 --> 00:43:21,191 But he also loved modern art. 555 00:43:21,820 --> 00:43:26,362 In Paris, he bought Le Poirier by Renoir in 1928, 556 00:43:26,592 --> 00:43:30,360 Femme se Chauffant by Degas in 1929, 557 00:43:30,802 --> 00:43:34,430 and an another Degas, Paysage, in 1931. 558 00:43:35,041 --> 00:43:37,242 Meanwhile, the family decided 559 00:43:37,272 --> 00:43:39,751 that he would become the trustee of the renaissance collection. 560 00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:41,742 But peace would quickly end. 561 00:43:42,441 --> 00:43:45,442 And, as we have seen with the Goudstikkers, 562 00:43:45,482 --> 00:43:49,050 the Netherlands would fall very soon to the German army. 563 00:44:02,762 --> 00:44:04,802 Fritz and Louise still believed 564 00:44:04,832 --> 00:44:08,173 that the rules of the civilized world applied to the Nazis, too. 565 00:44:10,042 --> 00:44:11,741 They stayed put in Bosbeek. 566 00:44:12,142 --> 00:44:15,912 Then, the visits from Goering's intermediaries began. 567 00:44:15,942 --> 00:44:17,983 There was Walter Hofer again, 568 00:44:18,214 --> 00:44:22,483 with Alois Miedl and Julius Buhler, Jr. 569 00:44:23,184 --> 00:44:25,353 The three of them came to part the Gutmanns 570 00:44:25,392 --> 00:44:27,992 from their gold and silver at knock-down prices. 571 00:44:28,724 --> 00:44:33,494 Fritz agreed to sell some of it in return for a visa to leave the country. 572 00:44:34,733 --> 00:44:38,203 When he went to the bank to deposit the money from the forced sale, 573 00:44:38,674 --> 00:44:42,502 he found his account frozen and no visa in sight. 574 00:44:43,503 --> 00:44:47,674 In march 1941, a new dealer knocked at his door. 575 00:44:48,413 --> 00:44:50,115 Karl Haberstock. 576 00:44:50,744 --> 00:44:55,755 He left with the Memling, Van Goyen, 577 00:44:55,785 --> 00:44:58,185 all sorts of wonderful pieces. 578 00:44:58,554 --> 00:45:02,454 Somebody like Karl Haberstock when was arrested after the war, you know, 579 00:45:03,193 --> 00:45:06,565 quite plainly declared to the American soldiers, 580 00:45:06,595 --> 00:45:10,206 "I didn't do anything wrong. It was just normal business. 581 00:45:10,506 --> 00:45:13,704 I had commissions, I had to find out for my clients." 582 00:45:13,734 --> 00:45:17,744 His clients were the biggest mass murderers in history, but... 583 00:45:19,214 --> 00:45:21,775 Gutmann had seen what was coming 584 00:45:21,815 --> 00:45:25,414 and transferred the administration of the collection to his brother-in-law, 585 00:45:25,454 --> 00:45:28,455 the Italian fascist senator Luca Orsini, 586 00:45:28,685 --> 00:45:32,126 whom his sister had married and moved to Florence with. 587 00:45:33,794 --> 00:45:37,566 He was the official owner, and the Germans didn't dare touch him. 588 00:45:39,065 --> 00:45:43,236 Their retaliation was to declare gold and silver to be state assets, 589 00:45:43,867 --> 00:45:49,106 to be locked in a depository in Munich. Gutmann tried to hold firm. 590 00:45:51,245 --> 00:45:54,446 There were several occasions, where they tried to make him... 591 00:45:54,476 --> 00:45:58,916 Because if he revoked that transfer, the shares would come back to him. 592 00:45:58,956 --> 00:46:01,116 And then it would be a Jewish company again. 593 00:46:01,156 --> 00:46:04,528 And then they could just legally, under Nazi law, 594 00:46:04,927 --> 00:46:09,056 confiscate everything as "abandoned Jewish property." 595 00:46:10,226 --> 00:46:13,197 On the 26th of May 1943, 596 00:46:13,397 --> 00:46:17,836 a black Mercedes with two ss men picked up the Gutmanns from their home. 597 00:46:18,236 --> 00:46:21,607 They promised to take them to Berlin and on to Italy, 598 00:46:21,647 --> 00:46:24,809 where the brother-in-law had negotiated safe passage. 599 00:46:25,818 --> 00:46:30,287 But in the German capital, they were greeted by Goering's henchmen. 600 00:46:31,018 --> 00:46:33,617 Fritz rejected their offers once again. 601 00:46:34,087 --> 00:46:35,289 And that was it. 602 00:46:36,987 --> 00:46:40,528 They were put on a train, bound for the theresienstadt concentration camp. 603 00:46:42,828 --> 00:46:44,598 After another ten months, 604 00:46:44,628 --> 00:46:47,497 and refusing yet again to sign away all their property, 605 00:46:47,938 --> 00:46:50,808 on the 13th of April 1944, 606 00:46:50,838 --> 00:46:53,839 the Gutmanns were told that they would be freed. 607 00:46:54,638 --> 00:46:56,250 It was the final insult. 608 00:46:57,948 --> 00:47:01,748 Fritz ended up at the "small fortress," run directly by the gestapo. 609 00:47:49,932 --> 00:47:53,900 And I found the cell that Fritz was locked up in, 610 00:47:53,940 --> 00:47:57,210 for the last three or four weeks of his life... 611 00:47:58,212 --> 00:48:00,011 And it had no window. 612 00:48:00,041 --> 00:48:02,880 It just had a little hole at the bottom of the door, 613 00:48:02,910 --> 00:48:05,281 where they could slide some stale bread and things. 614 00:48:05,551 --> 00:48:06,881 There was no light. 615 00:48:08,521 --> 00:48:11,190 And from what I can deduce... 616 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:17,731 The last day of April 1944, the guards drag him out... 617 00:48:18,631 --> 00:48:22,501 And they were quite sadistic. 618 00:48:23,331 --> 00:48:27,472 They drag him through this awful dank corridor, 619 00:48:27,502 --> 00:48:31,542 that follows inside the old castle walls, 620 00:48:31,572 --> 00:48:34,241 which housed all these prison cells. 621 00:48:34,912 --> 00:48:38,182 And he was taken out by this... 622 00:48:38,752 --> 00:48:40,583 They call it the "killing fields," 623 00:48:40,623 --> 00:48:42,153 and he was strangled. 624 00:48:42,193 --> 00:48:45,252 By one report, he was garroted with a wire, 625 00:48:45,723 --> 00:48:48,762 by the captors, the guards. 626 00:48:49,732 --> 00:48:52,433 And his body was thrown away. 627 00:48:52,463 --> 00:48:56,203 So he doesn't have a proper burial, a grave site. 628 00:48:56,933 --> 00:48:58,773 His wife, my grandmother... 629 00:49:01,044 --> 00:49:05,412 Was also in a cell, but she wasn't in solitary confinement. 630 00:49:06,212 --> 00:49:07,543 I don't know which is worse. 631 00:49:07,783 --> 00:49:11,483 She was crammed into the women's cell in the next section, 632 00:49:11,513 --> 00:49:16,723 where about 40 women were locked in a room half this size. 633 00:49:17,554 --> 00:49:19,894 And they were there for about a month... 634 00:49:20,724 --> 00:49:23,223 Until they were put on a train to Auschwitz, 635 00:49:23,263 --> 00:49:27,934 where she was killed the day she arrived. 636 00:50:55,207 --> 00:50:59,127 They always say that the Nazi past is history, 637 00:50:59,287 --> 00:51:01,327 that we must let it lie. 638 00:51:01,487 --> 00:51:05,848 But once again, the Gurlitt case shows otherwise, 639 00:51:06,008 --> 00:51:11,006 that our present and our future is conditioned by the Nazi past every time. 640 00:51:30,958 --> 00:51:32,828 In 2012, 641 00:51:32,868 --> 00:51:35,069 fifteen hundred works that had vanished without a trace, 642 00:51:35,469 --> 00:51:38,940 reappeared in the Munich apartment of an elderly gentleman... 643 00:51:39,769 --> 00:51:41,538 Cornelius Gurlitt. 644 00:51:42,538 --> 00:51:47,749 He was the son of Hildebrand Gurlitt, faithful art dealer to the Fuhrer. 645 00:51:49,780 --> 00:51:53,379 Masterpieces by Rodin, Matisse, Monet, Renoir, 646 00:51:53,419 --> 00:51:56,659 Kandinsky, Klee and Dix came back to life. 647 00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:59,930 It is the greatest rediscovery of recent years. 648 00:52:00,330 --> 00:52:03,129 Now, for the first time, two exhibitions 649 00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:06,260 have put some of the works, now restored, on display. 650 00:52:06,570 --> 00:52:10,231 It is often hard to establish how and when these paintings, 651 00:52:10,271 --> 00:52:11,571 drawings and sculptures 652 00:52:11,941 --> 00:52:13,840 became part of the collection. 653 00:52:19,049 --> 00:52:21,610 It's about the provenance of the works 654 00:52:21,770 --> 00:52:24,810 the history, the biography of an artwork. 655 00:52:24,970 --> 00:52:30,611 Gaps are a risk, of course, especially between 1933 and 1945, 656 00:52:30,771 --> 00:52:36,691 for then you wonder how the work changed hands. 657 00:52:43,672 --> 00:52:46,802 On show at the Bundeskunsthalle in Bonn 658 00:52:46,842 --> 00:52:50,111 are old-master prints, seascapes and portraits 659 00:52:50,641 --> 00:52:54,610 all genres that are easy to appreciate and to sell. 660 00:53:00,851 --> 00:53:04,413 Here in the Bundeskunsthalle in Bonn, 661 00:53:04,572 --> 00:53:08,931 we focus on works that could have been stolen. There are suspect cases. 662 00:53:24,944 --> 00:53:27,311 In Bern, the city of bears, 663 00:53:27,351 --> 00:53:31,123 the Kunstmuseum mainly exhibits works on paper. 664 00:53:35,613 --> 00:53:37,852 The works we see here in Bern 665 00:53:38,012 --> 00:53:42,333 were all legally owned by Cornelius Gurlitt. 666 00:53:42,974 --> 00:53:46,373 The German state - the Nazis - 667 00:53:46,533 --> 00:53:49,934 had confiscated them from their own museums. 668 00:53:50,093 --> 00:53:57,295 We are showing them in the context of the Degenerate Art campaign. 669 00:54:00,215 --> 00:54:04,883 The Gurlitt affair has been shrouded in mystery from the outset. 670 00:54:06,415 --> 00:54:10,655 We didn't know his name, we didn't know exactly what he was called, 671 00:54:10,814 --> 00:54:13,464 and we didn't know where he lived, as he wasn't registered anywhere, 672 00:54:13,494 --> 00:54:16,216 in any office, or in any document. 673 00:54:16,376 --> 00:54:20,174 Gurlitt was a person who did not exist in Germany. 674 00:54:20,334 --> 00:54:22,215 He simply wasn't there. 675 00:54:29,215 --> 00:54:32,485 Cornelius Gurlitt ceased to be a ghost 676 00:54:32,515 --> 00:54:34,786 one day in September 2010, 677 00:54:35,016 --> 00:54:36,926 on the Zurich-Munich train. 678 00:54:37,725 --> 00:54:39,724 In a random check, 679 00:54:39,754 --> 00:54:44,095 customs inspectors found 9,000 Euros in 500-euro notes in his pocket. 680 00:54:44,125 --> 00:54:47,837 Suspicions were raised, and his Munich home was searched. 681 00:54:47,867 --> 00:54:50,135 It was dirty and untidy. 682 00:54:52,275 --> 00:54:54,935 Gurlitt had lived alone for years, 683 00:54:54,975 --> 00:54:57,646 kept company by a huge wealth of paintings, 684 00:54:57,676 --> 00:55:02,715 officially lost in the bombing of Dresden in February 1945. 685 00:55:04,816 --> 00:55:08,518 The bavarian authorities decided not to reveal the find. 686 00:55:09,027 --> 00:55:12,186 But focus, a German weekly, found out. 687 00:55:12,226 --> 00:55:14,996 After a year and a half of checks and research, 688 00:55:15,026 --> 00:55:17,896 the paper was ready to break the conspiracy of silence 689 00:55:17,926 --> 00:55:20,067 in November 2013. 690 00:55:20,097 --> 00:55:21,097 They published. 691 00:55:21,536 --> 00:55:22,767 The scoop caused a scandal. 692 00:55:22,807 --> 00:55:26,437 The state was forced to confirm it was true. 693 00:55:28,777 --> 00:55:30,657 The works belonged to him, 694 00:55:30,818 --> 00:55:34,737 and the suspected tax offences could be forgiven. 695 00:55:34,938 --> 00:55:38,137 The state knew it had found a real treasure trove 696 00:55:38,297 --> 00:55:40,978 but couldn't really lay hands on it. 697 00:55:41,139 --> 00:55:47,418 It hoped to reach some kind of deal with Gurlitt. 698 00:55:47,578 --> 00:55:53,978 Gurlitt was to agree to bequeath the paintings to Bavaria after his death. 699 00:55:54,038 --> 00:55:55,769 Various ideas of restitution 700 00:55:55,809 --> 00:55:57,638 had been to restitute the Nazis. 701 00:55:57,839 --> 00:55:59,839 But not their victims. 702 00:55:59,879 --> 00:56:04,148 You know the Germans have done so much to address the wrongs of the past. 703 00:56:04,777 --> 00:56:07,918 But the art is a field that they've really... 704 00:56:08,379 --> 00:56:11,589 It's their achilles heel. 705 00:56:11,989 --> 00:56:14,158 You know they have never quite dealt with it. 706 00:56:21,628 --> 00:56:26,628 The art hoard kept by Cornelius was inherited from his father, Hildebrand, 707 00:56:26,999 --> 00:56:29,599 who, before becoming one of Hitler's dealers, 708 00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:33,740 was an art historian and supporter of the modern painters, 709 00:56:33,780 --> 00:56:37,980 especially the expressionists and the "die bruecke group." 710 00:56:38,310 --> 00:56:41,249 That was enough to lose him his job as a museum director 711 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,521 not once but twice. 712 00:56:43,890 --> 00:56:47,989 A quarter Jewish, he became an accredited mediator with the Nazis 713 00:56:48,019 --> 00:56:49,661 when the racial laws were issued, 714 00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:54,501 thus keeping himself and his family clear of any persecution. 715 00:56:56,299 --> 00:57:00,570 Hildebrand Gurlitt acquired works mainly in France, 716 00:57:00,770 --> 00:57:04,871 and in 1942 he became director of the museum in Linz. 717 00:57:05,271 --> 00:57:10,011 He was stopped and questioned by American soldiers in June 1945. 718 00:57:10,352 --> 00:57:11,481 He said. 719 00:57:13,221 --> 00:57:17,450 "I have never told anyone, in Paris, about what I bought, 720 00:57:17,790 --> 00:57:21,721 because the art business is generally very secretive." 721 00:57:23,231 --> 00:57:26,662 Gurlitt always used a broker in all of his dealings, 722 00:57:26,702 --> 00:57:29,202 to avoid any direct responsibility. 723 00:57:29,232 --> 00:57:30,232 He said. 724 00:57:31,232 --> 00:57:35,303 "In all, I have bought about 200 paintings in France. 725 00:57:35,503 --> 00:57:38,071 My earnings have grown steadily, 726 00:57:38,571 --> 00:57:40,111 with the acquisitions in France, 727 00:57:40,141 --> 00:57:45,152 my income for 1943 reached 200,000 marks." 728 00:57:46,323 --> 00:57:51,692 That is the equivalent of 720,000 Euros today. 729 00:58:05,902 --> 00:58:07,843 But what was interesting was, 730 00:58:07,873 --> 00:58:10,312 that when the Gurlitt collection was found by the allies 731 00:58:10,742 --> 00:58:15,913 after the end of the war, and they interrogated Hildebrand Gurlitt, 732 00:58:16,313 --> 00:58:17,714 and they said to him, 733 00:58:17,754 --> 00:58:22,083 "we've got a 148 paintings we found of yours. 734 00:58:22,453 --> 00:58:23,583 Do you have any others?" 735 00:58:25,023 --> 00:58:28,724 And he said, "No, I had others, but they were bombed and destroyed." 736 00:58:29,294 --> 00:58:33,164 But actually he had another 1,100 up the road, 737 00:58:33,204 --> 00:58:36,164 in the castle belonging to friends of his in Bavaria, 738 00:58:36,204 --> 00:58:38,204 Hildebrand Gurlitt can't have been the only one, 739 00:58:38,234 --> 00:58:41,203 who had 1,100 paintings hidden somewhere else, 740 00:58:41,703 --> 00:58:43,143 and so they didn't exist. 741 00:58:44,374 --> 00:58:48,244 So the size of those collections have not yet been properly established. 742 00:58:50,655 --> 00:58:54,385 Hildebrand continued to work serenely as a dealer 743 00:58:54,425 --> 00:58:57,955 until his death in a road accident in 1956. 744 00:59:00,825 --> 00:59:02,664 The paintings that he hid, 745 00:59:02,694 --> 00:59:05,295 and that would be found at the home of his son, Cornelius, 746 00:59:05,665 --> 00:59:09,966 included femme assise, a masterpiece by Matisse 747 00:59:10,206 --> 00:59:13,745 seized from parisian gallery owner Paul Rosenberg. 748 00:59:15,046 --> 00:59:18,215 In fact femme assise did not even have a stretcher on it. 749 00:59:18,245 --> 00:59:22,146 It was laid flat in a drawer... 750 00:59:22,786 --> 00:59:26,256 Amongst valuable works of art in fruit. 751 00:59:26,286 --> 00:59:31,597 Some were kept in suitcases amidst boxes of rotting food, 752 00:59:31,627 --> 00:59:33,297 in cabinets and cupboards. 753 00:59:33,327 --> 00:59:36,766 It was a horrendous way to live, and a horrible way to store art. 754 00:59:39,036 --> 00:59:44,336 After the scoop in focus, Paul Rosenberg's descendants realized 755 00:59:44,376 --> 00:59:48,177 that the family's Matisse was among the confiscated works. 756 00:59:51,016 --> 00:59:53,617 The legal battle to reclaim it began. 757 00:59:54,616 --> 00:59:59,957 They appointed an American lawyer based in venice, Christopher Marinello, 758 00:59:59,987 --> 01:00:02,758 an expert in recovering stolen artworks. 759 01:00:02,798 --> 01:00:04,957 After protracted negotiations, 760 01:00:05,327 --> 01:00:08,397 he reached an agreement with Cornelius' lawyer. 761 01:00:08,967 --> 01:00:12,197 During that period, a horrible thing happened. 762 01:00:12,237 --> 01:00:13,398 Mr. Gurlitt passed away. 763 01:00:14,008 --> 01:00:16,467 And then, it was a complete disarray. 764 01:00:17,136 --> 01:00:19,177 We discovered of course that there was a will. 765 01:00:19,207 --> 01:00:23,008 He was angry with the German authorities for stopping him on a train, 766 01:00:23,048 --> 01:00:25,049 for seizing his assets, for questioning him, 767 01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:28,748 for disturbing his very bizarre lifestyle. 768 01:00:29,188 --> 01:00:32,618 So he left everything to the Kunstmuseum in Bern. 769 01:01:10,899 --> 01:01:13,260 Femme Assise by Henri Matisse 770 01:01:13,770 --> 01:01:18,171 was one of the ill-starred works exhibited at 21 Rue la Boetie, 771 01:01:18,739 --> 01:01:23,369 where Paul Rosenberg, a sophisticated art dealer and Jewish collector, 772 01:01:23,740 --> 01:01:26,641 had opened his gallery in 1910. 773 01:01:28,810 --> 01:01:30,950 His heirs were among the first 774 01:01:30,980 --> 01:01:35,351 to raise the taboo topic of restitution in the international courts. 775 01:01:36,220 --> 01:01:39,859 Almost 80 years on, his granddaughter Anne Sinclair 776 01:01:39,889 --> 01:01:42,431 succeeded in paying tribute to her grandfather 777 01:01:42,461 --> 01:01:46,461 with an exhibition in Paris, which was named after that street. 778 01:01:46,901 --> 01:01:49,402 There were 70 modern art masterpieces, 779 01:01:49,442 --> 01:01:54,710 from Picasso and Leger to Braque, Matisse and Laurencin. 780 01:01:58,281 --> 01:02:00,510 In the early years of the 20th century, 781 01:02:00,550 --> 01:02:03,652 Rosenberg collected the most innovative painters. 782 01:02:04,052 --> 01:02:06,252 He was friends with Braque, Matisse, 783 01:02:06,292 --> 01:02:10,393 and especially Picasso, whom he called, simply, "pic." 784 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,492 The two were neighbors in Paris, 785 01:02:13,762 --> 01:02:17,031 they talked of pictures, payments and commissions from the kitchen window. 786 01:02:18,262 --> 01:02:22,032 Picasso lived at number 23, Rue la Boetie. 787 01:02:22,772 --> 01:02:24,943 From 1932 until the war, 788 01:02:25,142 --> 01:02:27,943 the only agent to represent him was Rosenberg. 789 01:02:28,712 --> 01:02:31,113 His gallery was furnished like a lounge. 790 01:02:31,781 --> 01:02:33,781 The avant-garde artists on the first floor, 791 01:02:34,111 --> 01:02:38,823 the established masters, romantic painters and impressionists on the second. 792 01:03:09,884 --> 01:03:12,625 Paul loved paintings like people, 793 01:03:13,224 --> 01:03:17,294 he documented their form and genealogy on dedicated index cards, 794 01:03:17,694 --> 01:03:20,025 he had them photographed one by one. 795 01:03:24,534 --> 01:03:29,374 And so they appear today, impressions on old glass plates. 796 01:03:29,804 --> 01:03:33,675 Black and white, dusty and as fragile as memory. 797 01:03:35,574 --> 01:03:37,645 This is the Rosenberg fund, 798 01:03:38,115 --> 01:03:41,555 donated by his heirs to the French culture ministry. 799 01:03:54,536 --> 01:03:58,435 When the Germans entered Paris on the 14th of June 1940, 800 01:03:58,635 --> 01:04:02,805 Paul Rosenberg was fleeing to Spain with his wife and daughter. 801 01:04:03,647 --> 01:04:09,176 On the 17th, they boarded a Polish ship, "the batory", which took them to America. 802 01:04:09,717 --> 01:04:13,445 A few days later, Hitler, accompanied by architect Albert Speer, 803 01:04:13,886 --> 01:04:16,487 and the regime's favorite sculptor, Arno Breker... 804 01:04:17,285 --> 01:04:20,797 Visited the freshly conquered capital like luxury tourists. 805 01:04:21,326 --> 01:04:23,896 Paris was deserted. 806 01:04:31,137 --> 01:04:32,707 La Madeleine... 807 01:04:34,877 --> 01:04:36,607 Place de la Concorde... 808 01:04:41,617 --> 01:04:43,148 Arc de Triomphe de l'Etoile. 809 01:04:44,747 --> 01:04:46,718 A view of the Eifel tower. 810 01:04:47,419 --> 01:04:49,717 Professor Speer is to the Fuhrer's left. 811 01:05:13,118 --> 01:05:17,919 France's cultural heritage was already being monitored from 1937. 812 01:05:18,790 --> 01:05:23,119 Paris, for the Nazis the ultimate city of culture and good living, 813 01:05:23,159 --> 01:05:25,658 was the key battleground for art. 814 01:05:29,229 --> 01:05:32,298 The ERR, the Nazi intelligence organization 815 01:05:32,328 --> 01:05:35,939 that appropriated property and led the looting of France, 816 01:05:35,969 --> 01:05:41,109 was run by Alfred Rosenberg - no relation to the parisian gallery owner. 817 01:05:45,849 --> 01:05:48,049 It operated alongside the ss 818 01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:50,950 in all countries occupied by the German army. 819 01:05:51,650 --> 01:05:55,991 It requisitioned books, artwork, and political material. 820 01:05:56,021 --> 01:06:00,330 The texts were used by the institute for study of the Jewish question, 821 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,499 founded by Rosenberg in Frankfurt in 1940. 822 01:06:03,529 --> 01:06:06,800 The aim was to ideologize anti-semitism 823 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,072 and to prove the inferiority of the Jewish race. 824 01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,721 There were dozens, hundreds of art historians, 825 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,560 specialists and antiquarians. The finest. This is awful. 826 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,602 Those who worked for the Nazis were the best... 827 01:06:22,761 --> 01:06:24,240 they all worked for the ERR. 828 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,241 up to 2,000 people, in the end. 829 01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,561 The paintings now recovered 830 01:06:36,601 --> 01:06:39,971 after being stolen by the ERR from Paul Rosenberg's collection 831 01:06:40,001 --> 01:06:44,141 also include baigneur et baigneuses by Picasso 832 01:06:44,171 --> 01:06:48,082 and Profil Bleu Devant la Cheminee by Matisse. 833 01:06:53,282 --> 01:07:01,042 Everything was seized. Sometimes, the outcome was oddly ironic. 834 01:07:01,202 --> 01:07:02,923 the Rosenberg gallery, for example, 835 01:07:03,083 --> 01:07:07,923 was requisitioned as the Institute for Study of the Jewish Questions. 836 01:07:08,083 --> 01:07:10,403 As you can imagine, it was not an academic 837 01:07:10,562 --> 01:07:13,283 but a racial, racist undertaking. 838 01:07:15,302 --> 01:07:17,803 At 21 Rue la Boetie, 839 01:07:17,843 --> 01:07:19,973 in place of the Matisses and Picassos 840 01:07:20,013 --> 01:07:23,844 appeared the poster promoting the exhibition "Jews and France," 841 01:07:23,884 --> 01:07:27,952 which opened on the 5th of September 1941 at the Palais Berlitz. 842 01:07:27,982 --> 01:07:32,893 It invited spectators to recognize the physical traits of the "Jewish enemy," 843 01:07:32,923 --> 01:07:35,064 described as a vampire with a long beard, 844 01:07:35,094 --> 01:07:37,863 fleshy lips, and an aquiline nose, 845 01:07:37,893 --> 01:07:40,434 who was corrupting the French institutions, 846 01:07:40,464 --> 01:07:42,104 and every field of culture. 847 01:07:43,833 --> 01:07:48,073 Meanwhile, Paul Rosenberg had opened a new gallery in New York, 848 01:07:48,503 --> 01:07:50,744 and was working with what would become 849 01:07:50,774 --> 01:07:55,085 the most important contemporary art museum of the 20th century. Moma. 850 01:08:00,385 --> 01:08:04,924 The fact that so many people had to flee Germany, France and Europe, 851 01:08:05,395 --> 01:08:08,264 and so many paintings came to the United States, 852 01:08:08,664 --> 01:08:13,165 definitely influenced the migration of art, 853 01:08:13,205 --> 01:08:15,766 and the center of the modern art market, 854 01:08:15,806 --> 01:08:19,204 and the modern art world from Paris to New York. 855 01:08:20,745 --> 01:08:22,845 In 1942, 856 01:08:22,875 --> 01:08:26,716 Paul Rosenberg had an exhibition in New York on Vincent van Gogh. 857 01:08:28,416 --> 01:08:31,115 It included the portrait of Dr Gachet. 858 01:08:31,386 --> 01:08:35,386 The painting had been confiscated in 1938 at Goering's behest 859 01:08:35,655 --> 01:08:39,925 from the Staedl museum in Frankfurt and sold to a German banker. 860 01:08:40,965 --> 01:08:45,166 The work was resold and came to America in the early 1940s. 861 01:08:47,567 --> 01:08:51,306 The story has been pieced together by Cynthia Saltzman, 862 01:08:51,336 --> 01:08:52,907 a scholar of the Dutch painter. 863 01:08:53,176 --> 01:08:55,546 Many modern-art masterpieces reached America 864 01:08:55,576 --> 01:08:59,147 through auctions in Switzerland, as she explains. 865 01:09:01,046 --> 01:09:05,817 On June 1939, they had the fischer auction... 866 01:09:06,456 --> 01:09:07,587 In Luzern, 867 01:09:07,988 --> 01:09:10,756 that was advertised in art news in the United States. 868 01:09:10,796 --> 01:09:15,497 And Americans had people bidding at the auctions. 869 01:09:15,767 --> 01:09:17,427 The art world was conscious of it, 870 01:09:17,467 --> 01:09:20,897 except for people who I think just wanted not to know. 871 01:09:22,407 --> 01:09:27,308 In lot 49, for example, is a self-portrait by Van Gogh. 872 01:09:28,147 --> 01:09:32,577 The Van Gogh self-portrait that he painted for Gauguin 873 01:09:32,617 --> 01:09:34,948 in October 1888, 874 01:09:34,988 --> 01:09:38,118 it made the highest price there, 175,000 Swiss francs. 875 01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:46,458 The painting is now in Boston, in the fogg art museum at Harvard. 876 01:10:21,098 --> 01:10:22,969 The Nazi occupation 877 01:10:22,999 --> 01:10:26,139 had often unexpected effects on Europe's art heritage. 878 01:10:29,070 --> 01:10:31,740 The walls of a house in the Boston countryside 879 01:10:32,041 --> 01:10:34,241 hang with priceless paintings... 880 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,950 Including a flemish altarpiece... 881 01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:40,880 And 17th-century works by Sebastiano Ricci, 882 01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,921 Alessandro Longhi and Alessandro Magnasco. 883 01:10:49,491 --> 01:10:52,601 The owners are Tom Selldorff and his wife. 884 01:10:53,332 --> 01:10:55,532 He is the grandson of Richard Neumann, 885 01:10:55,570 --> 01:10:59,541 a textile industrialist and Jewish collector from Vienna. 886 01:11:03,281 --> 01:11:06,211 Tom proudly shows his pictures of his grandfather, 887 01:11:06,241 --> 01:11:08,781 who fought for the kaiser in World War I, 888 01:11:09,112 --> 01:11:11,752 and was then betrayed by his own country. 889 01:11:15,922 --> 01:11:17,821 When the Nazis annexed Austria... 890 01:11:18,461 --> 01:11:22,931 Neumann left many of his paintings behind and went to Paris. 891 01:11:24,463 --> 01:11:28,002 Then he was able to leave Austria with 38 paintings. 892 01:11:28,432 --> 01:11:31,102 And so those are the paintings, which wound up in the louvre, 893 01:11:31,301 --> 01:11:37,043 and others have just disappeared in the fog of post war. 894 01:11:37,911 --> 01:11:39,941 One reason we were able to recover them, 895 01:11:40,383 --> 01:11:44,253 was that the custom's declaration listed all these paintings. 896 01:11:44,283 --> 01:11:49,292 So they were clearly identified as having belonged to him, 897 01:11:49,791 --> 01:11:52,993 at the time he left Vienna for Paris. 898 01:11:56,964 --> 01:12:01,133 Many of his paintings were channeled via the ERR 899 01:12:01,504 --> 01:12:05,304 to the collections of the future Fuhrer's museum in Linz... 900 01:12:05,943 --> 01:12:09,543 Or to Goering's residence, Carinhall. 901 01:12:11,283 --> 01:12:14,484 A period photo shows the deputy leader of the reich 902 01:12:14,514 --> 01:12:18,984 examining two matisses seized from gallery owner Paul Rosenberg. 903 01:12:19,324 --> 01:12:23,824 Alongside Goering is dealer Walter Andreas Hofer. 904 01:12:24,094 --> 01:12:28,595 Holding the paintings is Bruno Lohse, critic and art dealer. 905 01:12:29,194 --> 01:12:32,965 The photo was taken in 1941 at the Jeu de Paume. 906 01:12:34,375 --> 01:12:37,534 The parisian museum was used to house the sequestered Booty. 907 01:12:37,574 --> 01:12:41,174 Goering often went there to choose the best pieces. 908 01:12:42,173 --> 01:12:47,215 Another dealer, Gustav Rochlitz, told under interrogation 909 01:12:47,255 --> 01:12:50,786 how Goering wanted to buy from him for a staggeringly low price 910 01:12:50,826 --> 01:12:55,456 a portrait by Titian and a still life by Jan Weenix. 911 01:12:55,995 --> 01:12:58,264 Bruno Lohse, Goering's man, 912 01:12:58,524 --> 01:13:03,295 forced Rochlitz to accept an exchange with works of degenerate art. 913 01:13:03,335 --> 01:13:05,236 These are his words. 914 01:13:15,316 --> 01:13:19,015 "You must exchange the pictures. That's what Goering wants, 915 01:13:19,045 --> 01:13:22,516 and when he gives an order, it must be executed, 916 01:13:23,085 --> 01:13:25,156 or you will pay the price." 917 01:13:32,097 --> 01:13:35,365 The err hierarchy regularly sent Hitler 918 01:13:35,395 --> 01:13:38,867 leather-bound albums with photos of the stolen objects... 919 01:13:40,106 --> 01:13:44,106 Many belonging to the French arm of the rothschild family. 920 01:13:45,876 --> 01:13:48,317 They would be submitted at the nuremberg trial 921 01:13:48,347 --> 01:13:51,247 as evidence of what the ERR had done. 922 01:13:53,048 --> 01:13:56,757 These 39 volumes, which are before me, 923 01:13:57,388 --> 01:14:02,158 contain photographs of works of art, secured by the "Einsatzstab," 924 01:14:02,828 --> 01:14:08,367 and are volumes, which were prepared by members of the Rosenberg Stab. 925 01:14:08,867 --> 01:14:11,607 And I offer them in evidence. 926 01:14:57,249 --> 01:14:59,149 The aisles of the Bergkerk, 927 01:14:59,550 --> 01:15:02,489 the medieval church of Deventer in Holland, 928 01:15:02,789 --> 01:15:05,360 hosted an exhibition of 75 paintings, 929 01:15:05,390 --> 01:15:07,890 that had been earmarked for the Fuhrer's museum 930 01:15:07,930 --> 01:15:09,399 and Goering's collection. 931 01:15:15,601 --> 01:15:19,509 Hitler would receive the 16th- and 17th-century works, 932 01:15:20,079 --> 01:15:21,780 paintings of flemish families and couples, 933 01:15:22,311 --> 01:15:25,250 still lives with animals, books and fruit, 934 01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:27,981 bucolic scenes and Dutch landscapes. 935 01:15:28,281 --> 01:15:31,651 The Reichsmarschall would get the hunting scenes and nudes, 936 01:15:31,691 --> 01:15:33,991 the venuses, the three graces. 937 01:15:45,072 --> 01:15:49,801 Art historian Eva Kleeman and her husband Daaf Ledeboer 938 01:15:50,071 --> 01:15:54,881 curated the exhibition after extensive study of the Dutch art archives. 939 01:15:56,011 --> 01:15:58,142 They realized that while part of the paintings 940 01:15:58,182 --> 01:16:00,711 had been returned to their rightful owners, 941 01:16:00,921 --> 01:16:04,023 many others were still in museums and galleries. 942 01:16:13,832 --> 01:16:17,602 The exhibition also presented thousands of police reports 943 01:16:17,632 --> 01:16:19,373 compiled straight after the war, 944 01:16:19,633 --> 01:16:23,643 including the list of items reported missing by the victims. 945 01:16:26,213 --> 01:16:30,844 Difficult is, when people want to reclaim their own goods, 946 01:16:31,253 --> 01:16:34,683 they had to provide ridiculous proofs. 947 01:16:34,723 --> 01:16:37,154 "Can you prove? Do you have a ticket that you bought it?" 948 01:16:37,853 --> 01:16:40,394 "Do you have a photograph that you can show it on?" 949 01:16:40,664 --> 01:16:42,493 People coming back from the camps. 950 01:16:42,523 --> 01:16:45,164 Ridiculous questionings, but it was done. 951 01:16:46,733 --> 01:16:50,764 The exhibition included Christ and the adulteress by Vermeer. 952 01:16:51,434 --> 01:16:54,773 Goering had yearned for one of his works for years. 953 01:16:55,675 --> 01:17:00,144 He bought it for himself in 1942 through his usual dealers, 954 01:17:00,184 --> 01:17:02,785 Alois Miedl and Walter Hofer. 955 01:17:03,713 --> 01:17:06,714 Unfortunately, it was a forgery. 956 01:17:07,284 --> 01:17:09,654 He was very happy to acquire it. 957 01:17:10,494 --> 01:17:14,864 However, it was forged. It was made by Han Van Meegeren 958 01:17:15,164 --> 01:17:18,496 from the city of deventer, which is where we are now. 959 01:17:19,435 --> 01:17:23,465 He managed to forge it by using a particular technique. 960 01:17:23,505 --> 01:17:25,174 He used bakelite. 961 01:17:25,874 --> 01:17:28,906 He mixed pigments with bakelite, and he baked it off. 962 01:17:29,245 --> 01:17:33,916 And he used an actual 17th century painting, 963 01:17:33,946 --> 01:17:35,685 he stripped the paint off. 964 01:17:36,115 --> 01:17:40,455 There was a lot of craquelure he got by baking it off. 965 01:17:40,655 --> 01:17:42,786 And then he put ink in the crackles. 966 01:17:42,826 --> 01:17:44,856 It was exactly the colors that Vermeer used, 967 01:17:44,895 --> 01:17:47,095 the yellow of Vermeer, the blue of Vermeer. 968 01:17:47,465 --> 01:17:52,737 And to every art historian in Holland, it seemed like this was the real Vermeer. 969 01:17:56,935 --> 01:18:00,776 Van Meegeren was one of the most skillful forgers 970 01:18:00,806 --> 01:18:02,576 of the 20th century. 971 01:18:03,577 --> 01:18:05,217 After the war, 972 01:18:05,247 --> 01:18:07,346 he was accused of collaborating with the Nazis, 973 01:18:07,386 --> 01:18:08,947 and risked the death penalty. 974 01:18:09,587 --> 01:18:12,986 In his defense, he confessed to making the forgery. 975 01:18:13,456 --> 01:18:16,926 The court did not believe him and made him paint a new work, 976 01:18:16,956 --> 01:18:18,496 under close supervision. 977 01:18:18,726 --> 01:18:22,267 Thus he proved that he really had painted the Vermeer 978 01:18:22,297 --> 01:18:23,897 that had fooled Goering. 979 01:18:25,768 --> 01:18:28,067 He got away with a minor conviction, 980 01:18:28,367 --> 01:18:29,808 and for duping the Nazis, 981 01:18:30,308 --> 01:18:32,607 he even became a national hero. 982 01:18:35,478 --> 01:18:38,447 Goering sold many of his works 983 01:18:38,477 --> 01:18:44,788 to amass more than 1.5 million guilders of that period, 984 01:18:44,818 --> 01:18:47,289 and to buy this forgery. 985 01:18:47,789 --> 01:18:52,328 And before he died, he was told that it was a forgery. 986 01:18:52,358 --> 01:18:55,528 So he was quite unhappy, of course, at that point. 987 01:18:59,838 --> 01:19:03,009 Many of the paintings in the exhibitions in Paris, 988 01:19:03,039 --> 01:19:05,179 Bern, Bonn and deventer... 989 01:19:05,838 --> 01:19:10,447 Have an often difficult and painful restitution story to tell. 990 01:19:11,749 --> 01:19:14,149 Tracing an artwork entails identifying it, 991 01:19:14,488 --> 01:19:17,150 discovering whose hands it has passed through, 992 01:19:17,820 --> 01:19:22,130 whether the title or artist's name has been changed to cover its tracks, 993 01:19:22,660 --> 01:19:26,699 and whether it is in a museum or about to be auctioned off. 994 01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,440 With museums, there is a balance to be struck 995 01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:35,810 between public interest and personal claims. 996 01:19:38,311 --> 01:19:42,349 As Anne Webber well knows, she and her staff in London 997 01:19:42,749 --> 01:19:46,980 have been on the trail of missing artwork since the early 1990s. 998 01:19:48,020 --> 01:19:49,850 Often they say that these works of art 999 01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:53,160 are better in public collections than in private collection, 1000 01:19:53,190 --> 01:19:57,989 I think obviously there's a point that museums are there to keep, 1001 01:19:58,029 --> 01:20:00,731 to look after the art, not to give it away, but, 1002 01:20:01,031 --> 01:20:05,201 museums are also repositories of our values, 1003 01:20:05,501 --> 01:20:07,071 of our values of societies. 1004 01:20:07,411 --> 01:20:10,312 And our societies don't believe in theft, 1005 01:20:10,341 --> 01:20:15,152 and theft when it is associated with murder as this was. 1006 01:20:16,381 --> 01:20:20,721 In Paris, Elizabeth royer, an art expert and gallery owner, 1007 01:20:20,751 --> 01:20:25,622 began investigating the provenance of the missing works in the mid 1990s. 1008 01:20:27,672 --> 01:20:31,312 Some say it's only about money. It's not. 1009 01:20:31,472 --> 01:20:38,912 Some heirs do it for the money, but most don't. 1010 01:20:39,072 --> 01:20:41,832 A young woman came to see me. 1011 01:20:41,993 --> 01:20:44,632 She told me her family had been robbed 1012 01:20:44,792 --> 01:20:47,553 with the Mobel Aktion (the Furniture campaign), 1013 01:20:47,752 --> 01:20:50,273 there were very few artworks. 1014 01:20:50,432 --> 01:20:56,391 three paintings and a drawing, nothing very important. 1015 01:20:56,673 --> 01:21:01,393 But her father had spent his whole life and everything he had 1016 01:21:01,553 --> 01:21:03,954 in the hope of seeing one of them again. 1017 01:21:16,113 --> 01:21:18,544 Many stories have not been heard. 1018 01:21:18,943 --> 01:21:21,914 Many people have preferred to forget 1019 01:21:22,484 --> 01:21:24,085 to resume their lives, 1020 01:21:24,125 --> 01:21:27,653 almost to blank out the horrors and wrongs of the past. 1021 01:21:29,193 --> 01:21:32,664 For over 80 years, Edgar Feuchtwanger, 1022 01:21:32,694 --> 01:21:34,625 whom we met at the start of this story, 1023 01:21:34,665 --> 01:21:38,164 never spoke of the man who lived in the block opposite in Munich. 1024 01:21:42,335 --> 01:21:46,204 When Hitler became leader of the third reich in 1933, 1025 01:21:46,245 --> 01:21:51,075 Edgar's desk mate at school stopped speaking to him, because he was a Jew. 1026 01:21:51,315 --> 01:21:52,515 In the evening, 1027 01:21:54,114 --> 01:21:56,686 his mother signed his homework in his exercise books, red-eyed. 1028 01:21:57,685 --> 01:22:01,055 I was told, "Do what the teacher tells you." 1029 01:22:01,095 --> 01:22:06,495 And she straight away put out all this Nazi stuff. 1030 01:22:06,525 --> 01:22:09,635 This is the most striking picture. 1031 01:22:10,665 --> 01:22:13,636 Normally, on labor day. 1032 01:22:13,666 --> 01:22:17,507 This was labor day, 1933. 1033 01:22:17,707 --> 01:22:19,875 One would have hammer and sickle... 1034 01:22:20,675 --> 01:22:23,646 And here we have hammer and swastika. 1035 01:22:23,676 --> 01:22:27,316 And I used to draw it with my own hand. 1036 01:22:27,516 --> 01:22:31,716 I was told to do what my teacher told me, so I did. 1037 01:22:37,596 --> 01:22:42,867 In November 1938, the gestapo knocked on the Feuchtwangers' door. 1038 01:22:43,696 --> 01:22:48,578 Furniture and books were seized. His father was taken to Dachau. 1039 01:22:51,107 --> 01:22:55,617 Edgar played the piano with the soft pedal every afternoon after school, 1040 01:22:55,647 --> 01:22:59,418 until his father returned home a month later, 1041 01:22:59,448 --> 01:23:01,817 in a sorry state, but alive. 1042 01:23:13,668 --> 01:23:19,068 The Feuchtwangers soon sent Edgar away, before joining him in England. 1043 01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:44,399 Rarely in the history of our people has there been a time of peace 1044 01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:48,879 so fervent as these 5 and a half years, 1045 01:23:49,599 --> 01:23:53,159 which from that memorable day of 30 January 1933 1046 01:23:53,319 --> 01:23:55,360 have inaugurated the era 1047 01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:59,180 of National Socialist government for our people. 1048 01:23:59,250 --> 01:24:01,351 Hitler, Edgar's neighbor... 1049 01:24:02,180 --> 01:24:05,248 Opened the first three great German art exhibitions, 1050 01:24:05,288 --> 01:24:09,760 held every year from 1937 to 1944, with a speech. 1051 01:24:12,630 --> 01:24:17,060 He waxed lyrical about the Aryan art "of the sublime and the beautiful, 1052 01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:19,430 a vehicle of the natural and the healthy." 1053 01:24:19,770 --> 01:24:24,370 He declared war on the artists guilty of the country's cultural disintegration 1054 01:24:24,410 --> 01:24:28,641 and railed against cultural bolshevism and the Jewish dealers. 1055 01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,761 The cultural programme of the new Reich 1056 01:24:31,921 --> 01:24:35,800 is of a magnificence without precedent in our history. 1057 01:24:36,852 --> 01:24:39,151 Many in the art world followed him. 1058 01:24:39,690 --> 01:24:43,621 Historians, intellectuals and academics made a pact with the devil 1059 01:24:43,661 --> 01:24:47,631 and opted to serve the Nazi regime and the great looting of Europe. 1060 01:24:48,361 --> 01:24:51,632 All the art dealers whom we have mentioned in this story, 1061 01:24:51,671 --> 01:24:54,972 returned after the war to resume their former profession, 1062 01:24:55,501 --> 01:24:57,371 as if nothing had happened. 1063 01:24:57,941 --> 01:25:00,841 Timothy Garton Ash has made an extensive study 1064 01:25:00,881 --> 01:25:02,981 of how people act in a dictatorship. 1065 01:25:03,282 --> 01:25:08,512 I did not find a single, truly evil person. 1066 01:25:09,382 --> 01:25:11,652 I found people like you and me, 1067 01:25:11,692 --> 01:25:13,752 weak human, all too human. 1068 01:25:14,363 --> 01:25:16,023 But I found a big evil. 1069 01:25:16,791 --> 01:25:19,292 So it's a way in which an evil regime 1070 01:25:19,332 --> 01:25:22,862 can exploit and manipulate all our weaknesses, 1071 01:25:23,432 --> 01:25:27,002 to build what was essentially a kind of orwellian regime. 1072 01:25:27,272 --> 01:25:29,843 The head of the labor movement of the Nazis said, 1073 01:25:29,873 --> 01:25:33,342 "the only time when someone is a private individual, 1074 01:25:33,372 --> 01:25:34,614 is when they are asleep." 1075 01:25:35,213 --> 01:25:39,452 So a Mark of a totalitarian regime is. Every area of life, 1076 01:25:39,883 --> 01:25:44,053 every area of art has to be controlled because they're all dangerous. 1077 01:25:44,093 --> 01:25:45,095 And they are. 1078 01:26:13,354 --> 01:26:15,984 Art is often a key... 1079 01:26:17,155 --> 01:26:18,326 A trojan horse... 1080 01:26:19,254 --> 01:26:23,364 A brush that helps to portray and to erase dictatorships. 1081 01:26:24,234 --> 01:26:27,495 Its power is immense yet contradictory. 1082 01:26:27,835 --> 01:26:30,735 Art can be a means and an end... 1083 01:26:31,374 --> 01:26:32,836 It can Redeem and Condemn. 1084 01:26:33,435 --> 01:26:36,475 Be a tool of subversion and a vehicle for consensus, 1085 01:26:36,505 --> 01:26:40,114 an expression of freedom and the face of totalitarianism. 1086 01:26:40,374 --> 01:26:42,084 In Nazi-despoiled Europe... 1087 01:26:42,845 --> 01:26:45,715 Many Jewish families saved themselves 1088 01:26:45,755 --> 01:26:51,486 by selling their entire collections for an exit visa that meant staying alive. 1089 01:26:52,625 --> 01:26:57,296 Millions of others were exterminated in the concentration camps. 1090 01:26:58,996 --> 01:27:00,996 One day, while all this was happening, 1091 01:27:01,505 --> 01:27:05,106 a gestapo official was visiting Picasso's studio in Paris. 1092 01:27:05,436 --> 01:27:06,976 The painter told the story 1093 01:27:07,006 --> 01:27:10,547 on the 24th of march 1945 to journalist Simone tery. 1094 01:27:11,247 --> 01:27:14,847 On the table was a postcard of his painting, Guernica. 1095 01:27:15,346 --> 01:27:18,387 The officer asked, "did you do this, maestro?" 1096 01:27:18,886 --> 01:27:21,087 "No," replied Picasso, 1097 01:27:21,627 --> 01:27:23,786 "this is your work." 1098 01:27:25,357 --> 01:27:29,267 Later in the interview, he said to tery, 1099 01:27:29,897 --> 01:27:31,628 "what do you think an artist is? 1100 01:27:32,238 --> 01:27:35,037 An imbecile who has only his eyes if he's a painter, 1101 01:27:35,307 --> 01:27:39,277 or ears if he's a musician, or if he's a boxer, just his muscles? 1102 01:27:40,678 --> 01:27:44,677 An artist is a political being, alive to the heart-breaking, 1103 01:27:44,717 --> 01:27:47,918 passionate or happy events of the world. 1104 01:27:48,748 --> 01:27:51,088 How can one be indifferent to other people? 1105 01:27:51,688 --> 01:27:53,987 Painting is not done to decorate apartments. 1106 01:27:54,257 --> 01:27:58,088 It is an instrument of war for attack and defense 1107 01:27:58,828 --> 01:28:00,098 against the enemy." 96152

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