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My father was my best friend.
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He was the best friend I ever had.
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My mother and me, we were very, very
close.
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Me and my two sisters, we got along
excellent.
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My two younger brothers, Mark and John,
we were really a close family, you know.
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It was a tragedy. I lost every one of my
old family.
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Welcome to Very Scary People.
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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In November of 1974, the quiet seaside
town of Amityville, New York, became
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known the world over for a crime so
horrific it inspired a Hollywood horror
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franchise.
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Six members of one family were murdered,
shot to death in their own home, lying
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in their own beds.
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Only one family member lived to tell the
story of what happened that night at
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112 Ocean Avenue.
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This is part one of the Amityville
Horror.
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Amityville is an old town, and it has
tradition.
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There was this very congenial feeling.
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It sounds so cliche, but it is like the
quintessential small town.
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The center of the town has the gazebo
where they have Fourth of July,
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and Christmas celebrations with carols.
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Then you're by the water, the Great
South Bay.
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When I was young, I used to spend my
summers in Amityville. It was named
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in Latin means happy. It's a happy
place.
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Amityville was just another town until
the murders happened.
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Inspired. one of the greatest horror
stories of all time.
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It was in the middle of the night, pitch
black, at the DeFeo household, 112
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Ocean Avenue.
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The family's old English sheepdog,
Shaggy.
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with howling.
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It's very odd and quite chilling.
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And that's the way the story began.
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Ronald DeFeo Jr., his nickname was
Butch. Butch DeFeo said that he had been
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trying to get in touch with his family
throughout the day, and he went home.
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had to break a window to get in because
he had forgotten his house key.
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I couldn't get in the house, so I went
through the back window and went through
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the house.
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And I said, what's going on here?
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It was dark in the house, and he went
right to his parents' room.
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When Ronnie entered his parents' room,
he made a horrific discovery.
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It was like a nightmare.
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He found them lying in bed.
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Shot execution style.
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This is my car. I got scared. I ran out
of the house.
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And he drove very fast down the street
to Henry's bar.
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He opened the door and he was screaming,
come on, help me. Somebody shot my
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mother and father.
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Everyone ran out of the bar.
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It definitely broke the sleepiness of
Amityville. Something you just would
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imagine in that quaint town.
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A friend called 911.
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The local Amityville police were the
first on the scene.
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There, they found something even more
unthinkable.
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And the tragedy that unfolded that night
is absolutely shocking. We heard it was
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maybe a double homicide, but there was
one or two local cops from Amityville
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that tipped me that this thing is a lot
worse than you guys think it is.
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I proceeded to check out the house.
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and I found Mr. DeFeo Sr.
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and Mrs. DeFeo laying in bed with
gunshot wounds to the back.
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I then checked the northeast bedroom,
and I found two young boys lying in
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separate beds with gunshot wounds to the
back.
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Then I checked the southeast bedroom,
and I found a young girl with a gunshot
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wound to the rear of her neck and head
area.
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I proceeded to the third floor of the
house.
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And on the east side bedroom, found
another young lady with a gunshot wound
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the head.
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This was a multiple murder.
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Six bodies, six victims.
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And then we found out it was the DeFeo
family.
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The father, the mother.
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Dawn was 18.
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Allison was 13.
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Mark was 11.
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And John, the youngest one, was nine his
whole life.
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The DeFeo family had moved from Brooklyn
to their stately Amityville home in
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1965, and many wondered, was it a
burglary or maybe a home invasion that
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been the motive for the murders?
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You could tell they had money.
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The house was... A very, very nice house
in a good neighborhood on the water
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with a pool and a boat dock.
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And there was a sign out front that said
High Hope.
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I remember saying to myself, well, I
guess their high hopes are gone.
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This is Bulletin from the WOR Newsroom.
Six members of one family have been
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found shot to death in their
nightclothes in their expensive home in
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Long Island.
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Six people in one family.
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had been murdered. That was quite
astounding. Not only were there six
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they were all killed in their beds.
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And there's no evidence of a struggle,
and everyone was sleeping peacefully.
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All found in the same position, face
down.
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And that was very unusual.
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They were found by a 23 -year -old son,
Ronald DeFeo, who is believed to be the
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only surviving member of the family.
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Police investigating the case say they
have no suspect, no weapon, and no
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There were just a few of us that were
gathered there in Suffolk County. They
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the homicide unit, and they had the
police tape up. Because the police were
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there, some of the neighbors started
showing up, and the neighbors said,
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going on? What do you know?
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There we were on Ocean Avenue, and
there's a crowd on the other side of the
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street. The scene was, it was surreal.
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And then the body bags started coming
out.
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There were two large body bags at first,
and then there was another one, and
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another one, and another one, and then
the final one.
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And the one at the end, they were the
smaller body bags.
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And then we looked at each other, and we
said, oh, my God.
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We're just watching bodies come out and
cameras going off and police and
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officials in the crowd. It's very quiet.
I've never seen a crowd that quiet.
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Something big had gone down. That was
what was in the air.
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Little did we know what was going to
happen.
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The DePayos had a reputation.
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You have a family with secrets, criminal
secrets, and they're also violent
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secrets.
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The story broke of a family of six
slaughtered in Amityville, Long Island.
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members of a suburban New York family
have been found shot to death in their
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beds.
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It was all over the news because
Amityville, they had had maybe one
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hundred years.
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I remember the phone rang and they said,
the DeFeos are all dead. They
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were all murdered.
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Killed were auto dealer Ronald DeFeo,
his wife, and four other children.
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They were all gone.
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They were all gone.
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And there's only one surviving member of
the family,
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Ron Jr.
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Ron Jr. said he came home to find his
family dead.
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It was a tragedy. I lost my whole
family.
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Ronald DeFeo Sr., also known as Big
Ronnie, had grown up in Brooklyn, New
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He had been a high school athlete back
in the day when he caught the eye of the
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beautiful Louise Briganti. When Big
Ronnie, Ronald DeFeo Sr., met Louise, it
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seemed like they had fallen in love
pretty quick.
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And Louise's parents, the Brigantis,
were not a fan of Big Ronnie.
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He was crude, obnoxious, a bragger. They
didn't really see Louise with him.
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Despite her parents' objections, Louise
married Big Ronnie.
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and the two settled into a life in a
Brooklyn apartment.
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Soon after, the couple welcomed a son,
Ronald Jr., and two daughters, Dawn and
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Allison, and another son named Mark.
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Before the birth of their last child,
John Matthew, the family moved out to
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Island and their waterfront home in
Amityville.
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They had been living in Brooklyn, and
Louise Briganti DeFeo was the apple of
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father's eye. He would do anything for
his daughter. The Brigantis...
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Loved Louise very, very much, and they
wanted to make sure she was provided
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So they actually bought the house in
Amityville for the DeFeos.
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For me, the house was like something out
of a movie.
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They lived on the canal, and they had a
boathouse.
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When you went in, they had these big
rooms with high ceilings. I felt like I
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going back in time.
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They were having these portraits painted
of themselves.
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That were going to be hung on the
staircase.
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Like this is some sort of 19th century
Gilded Age family.
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Not knowing at all what the future was
going to be. The move to Amityville was
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like a new start.
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That's why they named the place High
Hope.
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This was going to be the beginning.
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But who would kill this family, all of
them, in cold blood?
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We have no suspect at this time.
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We have no indication of the motive for
this time.
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It was like unreal.
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It can't be true. It can't be possible
that this could happen.
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They were just very sweet, very
religious people, very family -minded
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Louise was a very sweet girl, and all
our children were similar ages.
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We would take the bus and go to museums
in New York and just...
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hang out with the kids and the husband.
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Louise was a typical Italian mother. She
cooked. She did what she had to do to
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take care of the house.
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Ronnie was Big Ronnie. He was the man of
the house.
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Little John Matt was nine when he died,
and he was just your typical nine -year
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-old boy. Just a sweet kid.
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Mark DeFeo, he was into sports.
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Mark and I were in the same football
league.
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Our parents got close together watching
the games.
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Mark and I used to play in the driveway
on the bicycles and drive around and
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just have fun and spend the night there.
There was nothing odd.
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It was just a typical family.
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I remember that the little girl,
Allison, loved to do puzzles.
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And in her room, there was a puzzle that
she had been working on.
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Alison was a sweet girl. People I met
that knew her said she was a little
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It was not a bad word, came out of her
mouth.
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But Dawn Tafio, she was more rebellious.
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Dawn, she was a year older than I was.
We first connected on CYO softball. We
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were in the softball league together.
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She always had this nice smile. She was
always friendly.
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There were other girls, too, because
they were older than you by a year. They
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didn't really want to associate with
you, but she was never like that. We
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just 13-, 14 -year -olds having slumber
parties and pool parties. There was
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nothing out of the norm.
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Against this wonderful setting, you've
got six bodies in body bags. It was
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unthinkable. And we said, well...
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There must be a gunman or gunmen, women,
men, young, old, who knows? We had no
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clue. Authorities were baffled at who
would want this picture -perfect family
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killed, but they were learning that
appearances can be very deceiving.
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On the face of it, this is a family that
is very good at keeping up appearances,
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and they're living in bucolic
Amityville, but this is a family with
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People we talked to seemed to feel that
whatever was the motive for this crime,
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it had something to do with the family.
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The one surviving member of the family,
Ronnie DeFeo Jr., says that his father
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had enemies.
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I mean, so many people wanted to kill
him.
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I remember the neighbors telling me that
Big Ronnie would boast how he had a
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gun, how he had connections.
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And there was rumors that he was in the
mafia, like that was the thing. And
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because he had a lot of money and he
had...
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Big cars and things.
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Big Ronnie DeFeo.
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He was a strange guy.
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At one point, he thought he had ESP. He
would wake family up in the middle of
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the night, family who lived by the
water, saying, you have to evacuate,
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a tsunami coming.
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I feel it.
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He really had delusions.
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And all of a sudden, religion came into
his life.
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He got this revelation.
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He was one with St.
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Joseph, and he was a changed man.
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In front of the house, there are a lot
of Catholic statues.
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There is a St. Joseph holding a baby
Jesus, and Big Ronnie would come out,
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he would pray in front of that statue in
his underwear.
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He was strange. He told us one time that
he was at the crucifixion, and what
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could we say?
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If you were there, you were there.
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He was a big presence. He had a big
personality, and you were a little
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him. He was a little scary because his
voice was a little loud.
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And Big Ronnie's behavior was more than
just odd and off -putting. It was
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reported that he was abusive to his wife
and children.
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The DeFeos had a reputation.
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The problem is that they don't get along
sometimes.
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There's dissension and there's conflict
within the DeFeo family.
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It was a very chaotic, tumultuous
household.
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Mr. DeFeo Sr. was jealous about his
wife. He thought she was having an
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with her.
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the man who painted the family portrait.
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He kind of wanted to be in control of
Louise.
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He wanted everyone just listen to him
and do what he says.
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There was a history of violence there.
Big Ronnie had a horrible sickness, and
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it got worse and worse.
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The old man used to beat her.
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She's wearing sunglasses this big, and
you could see, you know, bruises, her
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arms, her legs.
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Big Ronnie Sr., he was chauvinistic.
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He had a temper.
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And there are stories about how Louise
was coming up from the basement and she
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was carrying a washbasket full of
clothes.
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And he punched her right in the mouth.
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And she tumbled down the stairs.
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And he closed the door and said, well,
she's not going to bother us and we're
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not going to have any more noise now.
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And they sat down and finished dinner.
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Dawn DeFeo had a problem, specifically
with her father.
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Her relationship with her parents
towards the end of her life was very
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tumultuous. She wanted to elope with
some guy, and this caused friction
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parents didn't want her to leave.
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My sister wanted to be free, and...
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You couldn't be free and be a DeFeo.
None of us. We were all like a dog on a
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leash, everybody in that house. Nobody
could be free.
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The place was a powder keg waiting to
explode.
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Something was bound to happen in that
house. If it wasn't for his anger, hate,
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and violence, the DeFeos would still be
alive.
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Authorities swarmed the quiet community
of Amityville, New York, after the
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bodies of six members of the DeFeo
family were found by the sole survivor,
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eldest son, Ronnie DeFeo Jr.
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It was 1974, and Amityville was a nice,
quaint little village.
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And it was all over the news that these
six people had been murdered.
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Ronnie DeFeo Jr.
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Two brothers, two sisters of his.
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Mother and father all gone.
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I knew something bad was going to happen
to my mother and father.
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I didn't know when it was going to
happen. I didn't know who was going to
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but I could say that I knew something
was coming.
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When the murders were uncovered, Ron was
pulled in and questioned, and he said
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that this was a mob hit.
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At first, Ronnie blamed the mafia.
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He said, yeah, you know, my dad was in
the mob, and they rubbed out the whole
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family. Folks in Amityville knew Ronald
DeFeo Sr.'s family.
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They were connected to the mob.
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My father was involved with big, big
people.
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An organized crime.
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One of the people was Peter DeFeo, my
uncle.
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One of Ronnie's uncles.
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Keith DeFeo was reputed to be a member
of the Genovese crime family. And again,
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putting this in the context of the time,
back in the mid -70s, early
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80s in New York, you had a lot of mob
hits going on.
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And there was speculation that Louise's
family, the Brigantes, also had ties to
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the mafia.
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This is the rumor, and these rumors keep
swirling around, that Juan is
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grandfather. Mr. Burganti was somehow
tied to the mob.
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Michael Burganti Sr.
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was connected to organized crime.
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He owned a Buick car dealership. They
did dirty work for the mob.
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Burganti Sr.
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employed his son -in -law, Ronald Sr.
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My father worked for Mike Burganti Sr.,
who was my grandfather, my mother's
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father. He owned a Buick agency, a Buick
dealership.
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My father was the boss of the service
end of the dealership.
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It was a legitimate business.
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They didn't do anything wrong in the
Buick dealership. They took it outside.
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Ronald Sr.
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was in charge of the ledgers for the
dealership. And we're talking the
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unofficial accounts where it showed all
the monies, all the transactions, all
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the dirty hands, and so forth.
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He would often take those books home.
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and cook them up for the dealership.
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Butch worked there as well.
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And DeFeo would do work for the mob,
delivering money and delivering packages
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and things like that.
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I did whatever I had to do.
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Whatever they told me to do, I did.
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And I was paid money for doing it.
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There had been some secret tape
recordings, you know, authorized
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the RICO squad.
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the racket boys, if you will, that
involved the Briganti Buick dealership.
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Ronnie Jr.
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was the subject of many of those
conversations between Michael Briganti
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grandfather, and his friends,
associates, etc., who talked about very
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oh my God, that kid, meaning Ronnie, he
could hang us all with what he knows.
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There was also talk at the time that
Ronald DeFeo Sr.
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had also been skimming some money off
the side from the Buick dealership.
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Ronald Sr.
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embezzled money from the mob.
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At the time of the murders in November
of 74, things were really going bad for
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Big Ronnie.
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Briganti was thinking very heavily of
closing the dealership. So that meant
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Ronnie had to do one big score.
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He was...
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trying to work with Butch on embezzling
as much money as possible.
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Several weeks before the murder, $20
,000 bank deposit that Ronnie Jr.
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and one of the other employees was
supposed to be making had suddenly
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disappeared.
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That would be a death sentence.
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Police immediately put Ron DeFeo in
protective custody. Therefore, if they
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the whole family, they would get him as
well.
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They didn't really know if this was a
mob hit or not, and they weren't taking
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chance.
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Today, police combed the DeFeo's
handsome three -story house for clues.
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The rifle used in the murders, it is so
definite.
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Why didn't somebody wake up?
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Which is another big mystery here.
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Welcome back to Very Scary People.
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The mystery about who committed the
execution -style murders of the DeFeo
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family, mother, father, and four of
their children, consumed the town of
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Amityville. Was it a robbery gone wrong?
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Could it have been a mob hit?
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Or a family vendetta?
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They were shots that left six members of
one family dead in this charming Dutch
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colonial home. And there's only one
surviving member of the family.
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Ronald DeFeo Jr., his nickname was
Butch, and he was the oldest.
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He was the firstborn.
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He loved his mother very much.
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And Louise, from everything I've
learned, Butch was her pride and joy.
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Ronnie was quiet.
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Never said a whole lot. He gave you the
sense that he was a tough guy, but
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never threatening, never violent.
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The police took Ronnie Jr.
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into protective custody and took him to
the police headquarters to provide his
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statement.
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Police have been questioning the son,
Ronald, and now say he is being, quote,
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safeguarded. I was scared.
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My whole family is dead.
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I remember talking to a cop, and he told
me that there was some speculation that
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it was a mob hit.
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Ronald DeFeo Jr.
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was claiming that somebody was out to
get the family. There was talk of these
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killers coming from Brooklyn.
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But I immediately thought, no, they
wouldn't kill the kids.
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Organized crime did not condone the
execution of small children.
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So that would have been a cardinal sin
for them.
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And there would be plenty of ways if
they wanted to send a message to do that
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without killing those kids.
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No, it doesn't stack up.
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Police had continued on their
investigation.
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Today, police combed the DeFeo's
handsome three -story house for clues
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divers explored the backyard swimming
pool for the still -unfound murder
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The day after the bodies were
discovered, the police were looking for
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and everything that could point them in
the right direction for the suspect and
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the motive.
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The first thing you're going to do is
look at the crime scene and try to
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understand what occurred in the house.
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And what may have been the psychology of
the perpetrator.
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You have an entire family that was
killed.
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All the victims were found in bed.
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And there's no evidence of a struggle.
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The nature of the shootings was shooting
in the back in bed.
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It had to be somebody who knew the house
really well.
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They were on different floors, in
different rooms.
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Typically, if there's a home invasion,
there is some alarm raised in the house.
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I think that the fact that they were all
in their beds does raise the question
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of whether it really was somebody who
was known to them.
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The medical examiner determined that all
six victims had been killed in the
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early morning hours of November 13th.
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The time of death, 16 to 18 hours before
they were discovered.
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At the time of the murder, somewhere
between 3 a .m., 3
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.15, 3 .30, the family's sheepdog was
howling.
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The teenage boy, two doors away, told
investigators he heard the dog howling,
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which he thought was a little odd.
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And the cause of death was gunshot
wounds from a rifle. According to the
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coroner, it was the very high -powered
.35 caliber Marlin rifle.
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It was a cowboy gun.
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It is so deafening.
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I remember thinking, geez, somebody had
to walk around the house shooting
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people. Why didn't somebody wake up?
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There were questions about whether the
victims had been drugged before they
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to sleep.
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But according to the coroner and the
autopsy reports, they were not drugged,
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which is another big mystery here.
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Why didn't anybody hear anything?
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More intense questioning of Rhonda
Thayer.
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Somebody else was in the house, ran out
of the house.
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It turns out that one person did hear
the gunshot.
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It was terrible.
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Six people were shot dead in their bed.
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On the night of November 13, 1974, all
the bodies were found shot from all the
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point -blank range.
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None of the family members was awakened
by the explosive burst of gunfire
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throughout the house.
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Autopsies showed that they had not been
drugged. Why didn't anyone hear a
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gunshot?
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But it turns out that one person did
hear the gunshot.
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Ronnie DeFeo Jr.
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now tells the police that he was there,
at the house, when his family was
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killed.
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So Ronnie had been drinking that night.
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He was watching TV down in the basement.
He had been taking drugs.
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He told the police that people broke
into the house. He was in the basement,
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he heard muffled sounds.
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It didn't sound like a gunshot. It
sounded like a backfire on a car, but
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Somebody else was in the house, ran out
of the house, but I couldn't catch him
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when he ran out the front door.
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When you're talking to someone who has a
very unstable account of what happened,
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you want to go back again and again to
try and see how he's going to respond,
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what his explanations are going to be.
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and to also focus in on the
discrepancies.
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More intense questioning of Ron DeFeo.
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And then another story that someone came
into the house, they pulled him
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along with them, and they shot everyone
while he was present.
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I knew then I was set up.
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I was going to be the scapegoat for
everybody.
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Ronnie DeFeo Jr.
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was not the most stable.
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of individuals.
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There was something odd about him. He
wasn't the warm, friendly older brother
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who comes over and asks if you need help
or anything. He just was this loner and
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not in a healthy way.
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He quit school and didn't really work.
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He drank a lot, hung out in a
neighborhood bar.
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He was known as sort of a troublemaker
around the town.
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He borrowed money from people and didn't
pay it back and bullied people.
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He was a heavy substance abuser starting
from the age of 15 or 16.
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Every day I got high, I used heroin. I
was using a lot of heroin back then. I
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was drinking too excessively. Scots are
on the rocks.
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His parents, they took him to a
psychiatrist in hopes of calming him
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didn't work.
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So his parents lavished him with gifts.
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They did not spare the rod, but they
continued to spoil the child.
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He had access to an allowance of several
hundred dollars a week.
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Ronnie would walk around with a couple
thousand dollars in his pocket.
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They bought him a $14 ,000 speedboat,
but that didn't settle Ron.
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He was an angry young man.
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He also had a stockpile of several
weapons in the house.
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They have Ronnie in custody.
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just to talk about the murder. And very
soon they begin to wonder.
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He threw out a lot of wild theories.
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He makes some unconvincing excuses, but
what is very significant is
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he seems to be justifying the death of
his family. That does raise a lot of red
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00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:34,330
flags.
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00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,680
He said that he discovered his mother
had had an affair and that he despised
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for that.
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00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:46,400
He also told the police that his father
was making him work too hard.
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00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,340
He complained that his brothers were
little pigs in the bathroom.
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00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:54,700
They said, what do you think about your
sister Dawn?
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00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:58,960
Dawn, that effing bitch.
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00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,560
That's how he described her.
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00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:06,370
That's very striking for somebody to say
that when their family has just been
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00:33:06,370 --> 00:33:07,370
murdered.
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00:33:10,750 --> 00:33:14,250
Louise used to tell me that Butchie was
bad.
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00:33:14,610 --> 00:33:19,950
I didn't know what she meant, but she
said, no, Butchie is bad.
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00:33:20,170 --> 00:33:24,730
I think he had more troubles than we
thought, than they thought.
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00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:44,420
I first heard about this case, about
Ronnie DeFeo, on the 11 o
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00:33:44,420 --> 00:33:51,220
'clock news that his family had been
murdered and that Ronnie was
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00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:53,340
being held in protective custody.
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00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,240
What about Ronald DeFeo, the son, the
surviving son? Ronald is being
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00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,260
by the Suffolk County Police at this
time.
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00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,280
Investigators say without explanation
that they now feel Young DeFeo was in
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house at the time of the murders, but
they're not yet considering him a
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00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:12,179
It came to my mind that he has to be a
person of interest.
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00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,440
Talking about the death of his family,
there is such a lack of emotion, and he
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00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,320
also is so preoccupied with the
justification for the killing.
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00:34:24,659 --> 00:34:28,239
He describes the father as abusive. He
describes the mother as checked out.
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00:34:28,940 --> 00:34:31,800
Dawn, he talks about her with clear
hostility.
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00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,340
Dallas and Mark and John, when he talks
about them, it's very superficial.
489
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,420
There's very little sadness about their
death, which is what you usually hear
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00:34:42,420 --> 00:34:45,780
when someone talks about someone that
they have real love for and that they're
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00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:51,280
grieving for, which to me makes it
certainly within the realm of
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00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,780
that he killed them.
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00:34:54,440 --> 00:35:00,090
While searching the DeFeo home, Police
find a box for a Marlin .35 caliber
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00:35:00,090 --> 00:35:05,950
rifle, along with boxes of Remington
shells, all of which belong to Ronnie
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00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:12,670
Jr. And within the first 48 hours, the
focus had quickly shifted to
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00:35:12,670 --> 00:35:14,750
him as the chief suspect.
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00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:19,330
They read in his Miranda rights, and
they officially told him that he was the
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00:35:19,330 --> 00:35:21,050
suspect of his family's murder.
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00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:29,130
Now a suspect, police switch from
interviewing Ronnie Jr. to interrogating
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00:35:33,450 --> 00:35:39,710
And different police talk to him, and
the head of homicide, Robert Dunn, is
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00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:43,270
first one, and then Dennis Rafferty.
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00:35:43,890 --> 00:35:50,570
He was the detective who was an expert
at extracting confessions from people.
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00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:53,390
I just tried to warm up to him, really.
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00:35:53,880 --> 00:36:00,420
to talk to him, try to make him
comfortable, and proceeded to
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00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,440
Several detectives took a turn on Butch,
and finally the key detectives were
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00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,180
able to get Butch to cooperate.
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00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:09,820
Ronnie Jr.
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00:36:09,860 --> 00:36:13,400
was vacillating between telling the
police that he had no idea what happened
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00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,800
his family and then switching his story
to he was there and the killers forced
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00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,180
him to watch his family being killed.
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00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:27,970
Here's Ronnie saying other people did
it, taking him through his house room by
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00:36:27,970 --> 00:36:32,110
room, telling him other people did the
shooting.
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00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:36,790
But the details he had were so precise.
514
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:44,110
And finally, Rafferty says to him, you
did it. Ronnie didn't do it.
515
00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:47,690
And Ronnie said, yes, I did it.
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00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:49,850
As far as I was concerned,
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00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,300
I got to them before they got to me.
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00:36:55,820 --> 00:36:59,240
Louise used to tell me that Butchie was
bad.
519
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,880
I didn't know what she meant, but she
said, no, Butchie is bad.
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00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,220
I was always in trouble. I don't know
what I did.
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00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,960
I was out of trouble.
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00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,000
I think he had more troubles than we
thought, than they thought.
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00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:21,870
At 17, he was into drugs, LSD, heroin, a
fifth of scotch every day.
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00:37:22,090 --> 00:37:24,570
He was always at odds with his father,
Ronald Sr.
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00:37:24,990 --> 00:37:30,610
His father was a violent person, and
Ronald DeFeo was subject to a lot of
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00:37:30,610 --> 00:37:32,430
starting at a very young age.
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00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:37,410
There's evidence that even as an infant,
as an 18 -month -old, his father would
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00:37:37,410 --> 00:37:40,130
whack him on the head to stop him from
crying.
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00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:41,610
He was a violent man.
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00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:57,570
You've got a very domineering father and
a mother that's caught in the middle of
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00:37:57,570 --> 00:37:58,570
this mess.
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00:37:58,690 --> 00:38:03,650
Butch started blaming his mother for
allowing his father to get out of
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00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:04,650
with the abuse.
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00:38:04,810 --> 00:38:09,950
He blamed her more than the sickness
that his father had because she allowed
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00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:10,950
to continue.
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00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:15,690
Children of an abusive father will often
blame the mother for not having
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00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:21,610
protected them or view her as an
accomplice just by virtue of her
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00:38:21,610 --> 00:38:23,430
her denial of what's going on.
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00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:24,690
After Ronnie Jr.
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00:38:24,810 --> 00:38:29,390
became older, his resentment against his
mother grew, and he began to fight back
541
00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:30,390
against his father.
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00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:31,650
There's fighting.
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00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:35,770
Ronnie and his father fight, and he gets
crazy, and he's got a horrible temper.
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00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:38,810
Ronnie... Senior and Ronnie Jr.
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00:38:39,010 --> 00:38:42,850
had a very contentious, bellicose
relationship.
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00:38:43,330 --> 00:38:44,990
They were always at war.
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00:38:45,810 --> 00:38:49,210
They had fistfights that spilled out
onto the front lawn.
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00:38:49,710 --> 00:38:54,070
And then Ronnie would take off in his
car, and his father would get in his car
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00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:56,630
and speed down the block following him.
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00:38:57,530 --> 00:39:04,150
At one point during a fight, he pulled a
12 -gauge shotgun out and pointed it at
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00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:06,530
his father's face and pulled the
trigger.
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00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:14,800
The rifle malfunctioned. The last time I
saw Butch and Big Ronnie, they were
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00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,360
fighting in the driveway, yelling at
each other.
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00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,880
Big Ronnie was saying, get out of here.
555
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:27,000
The relationship between Butch DeFeo and
his father was coming to a head.
556
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,180
He felt controlled by his father and
terrorized by his father.
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00:39:31,460 --> 00:39:34,060
I didn't want their love. I didn't want
anything to do with them.
558
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,140
How much abuse did you think I was going
to take?
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00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,920
He was a ticking time bomb.
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00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,800
I had it with him, and it was fun. This
has got to stop.
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00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:50,060
Anger and abuse and violence and drug
addiction and alcoholism,
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00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,100
it became a perfect storm that fed into
the murders.
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00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:07,060
He said, yes, I did it. I killed them
all. You couldn't believe how it
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00:40:07,660 --> 00:40:13,440
There were very strange things
associated with the DeFeo murders that
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00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,740
coroner, the forensic people could not
understand.
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00:40:17,420 --> 00:40:22,640
Ron DeFeo said that he heard voices
telling him to kill, compelling him to
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00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,900
one member of the family after another.
568
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:28,380
Before you know it.
569
00:40:29,050 --> 00:40:31,930
People are talking about this house
allegedly being haunted.
570
00:40:32,410 --> 00:40:36,310
The story got bigger and more
embellished and more fantastical.
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00:40:36,690 --> 00:40:43,210
Ghosts flying to levitating, to doors
flying off hinges, to demons, to satanic
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00:40:43,210 --> 00:40:45,670
horses. I was there at midnight.
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00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:47,610
They started the seance.
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00:40:48,130 --> 00:40:52,050
It's like a black shadow that forms a
hood.
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00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:54,590
And it moves.
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00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:57,650
This is the closest to hell I ever want
to get.
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00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,560
I'm the devil. I'm possessed.
578
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,800
I'm supposed to be vicious.
579
00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:02,540
A madman.
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00:41:03,340 --> 00:41:04,940
Insane. Hear voices.
581
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,020
That just makes your blood run cold.
582
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,080
The evil in the house was him.
583
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:20,580
After Ron DeFeo Jr.'s shocking
confession that he was the murderer, the
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00:41:20,580 --> 00:41:23,720
deepened. Why would he kill his entire
family?
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00:41:24,180 --> 00:41:27,100
There was no sign of a struggle. Why
didn't any of them fight back?
586
00:41:27,820 --> 00:41:29,340
Why didn't anyone try to run away?
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00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,160
What was his motive?
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00:41:31,580 --> 00:41:33,520
Greed, anger, or insanity?
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00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:38,880
What really happened that night? In part
two of The Amityville Horror.
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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Thanks for watching. Good night.
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