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It is said
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that within every man there is
an animal, a beast that simmers,
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waiting to manifest
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this creature caged
behind the bars
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set by either
parents or society's
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governing bodies.
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Robert Louis Stevenson
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in 1885 wrote about such
a phenomenon in the book.
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Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
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raising awareness
to this very fact.
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This beast must never
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overtake the
persona of its host.
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It must remain confined.
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However,
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should the key to its cage be
turned, then the beast will rise
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with the sole purpose to
dominate its surroundings.
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Should external
forces hold this key,
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chaos and disorder would rule.
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It is for this reason,
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and this reason alone,
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the discipline
and self-awareness
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be the jailors that hold
the key to the beast cage.
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With both these
governing authorities
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presiding over its release,
David Radford is such a man.
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He's the jailer to
his inner beast.
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However,
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within this custodial
relationship,
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there is but one
question that remains.
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Who has the power?
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Is it the beast or is it
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the jailer?
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This is my journey.
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Hemsworth
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A small village
in West Yorkshire,
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nestled amongst like
for like villages
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in that area.
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Hemsworth first mentioned as
far back as the Domesday book,
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in 1086.
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Then through the ages, in the
middle of the 16th century,
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it could boast its own
hospital and school.
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As time moved on in the middle of
the 19th century, Hemsworth became
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what was termed a
one industry town,
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and that was that
of coal mining.
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Now, this lasted
to the mid 1980s,
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when the pits were
finally closed.
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Yeah, it was a lively village.
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And then when the mines
closed in the village
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A lot of them men
worked down the pit.
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So everyone's struggling for jobs
and it was like a little depression,
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you know, and the entire
community was struggling
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and at one stage was
classed as one of the most
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deprived places in Europe.
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And then the money come rolling in and it just
boosted it and brung it all back to life again.
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Now, some men are born fighters.
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They come into this world
kicking and screaming,
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protest, shouting against the
handling of the attending midwife
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on the 30th of May 1969.
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Dave Radford was
born into the loving
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Radford family,
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As his mother, Shirley
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and his father, Terry, held him.
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Little did they know
or could even conceive
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what fate had planned for him
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as he negotiated
the maze of life
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where he would emerge
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to become Britain's middleweight
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bare knuckle champion.
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But to Dave, equally as
important as that title,
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he would become an
ambassador for his sport
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that the majority misunderstand.
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Yeah, it’s good to be back dad.
I’ve drove up this morning,
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This is where it started, David.
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You were born here and we’ve had a
lot of good memories it brings back.
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Yeah, everything.
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Everything comes from this little
bubble in here, do you know what I mean,
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I've just been up here now to put my clothes
in the little bedroom, and I'm thinking,
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well, I have not
been any for years.
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That little, little
bedroom like that.
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That were my bedroom, you
know, absolutely brilliant.
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But, 50 odd years of memories
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Can you remember Benjy?
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That black dog.
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He were killing machine.
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Can you remember
when he got lost?
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When you took him to
the vet and he got lost
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in Barnsley.
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And vets must have
opened the door
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and he got out.
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And we used to go around for
a long time walking around
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looking around, shouting him. And
we couldn't find him for 2 weeks.
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And then we sat watching telly and he
walked what we were endeavoring to monitor.
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They were interviewing someone
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and he walked along, he
walked along didnt he!
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Anyway, we got him back.
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Yeah, I always remember
collecting my scrap
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Bringing my scrap home and er,
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Getting all in the garden
there, it were like a
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And then I would ring Gordon up,
and Gordon would send the man up
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with the pickup
and put in all on.
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And I used to
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make a decent bit of money
at that age of 14 year old.
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But can you remember that
what that you call it, car
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that old Ford?
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The old Ford car.
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Old scrap car.
Aye, old scrap car.
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And you said, dad, can I knock
that to pieces and get the scrapman
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to come and pick it up.
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So you worked on that car for
about a fortnight chopping it.
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Piece by piece
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And then you sent for
scrapman and he says
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20 quid
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Aye, he said if you brought it
down whole, I’d have give you 30!
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And I spent, I spent two
weeks chopping it up.
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I remember coming home and
telling you I was going to become
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a boxer in that gym, that
opened down in Hemsworth.
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I remember going down first night, and I
never, never had a fight in my life really.
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I think I had one at school and only won
that one because she had asthma attack
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went down one at nights
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These two young lads
think I was 16 at the time
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There were two lads about 13
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what already boxed and I got
in the ring with one of them
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and I thought, I’ll
be all right here
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and he give me a good
hiding and then I got in
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with the other one, and
he give me good hiding
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I’ll always remember walking home
thinking he’ll not do that next time.
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But it happened for
six or seven months
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They realize what
I'm doing then.
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Yeah but I never thought David
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When you little lad,
you were so placid
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and so laid back.
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I never thought in my wildest
dreams you'd have been a boxer.
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I know. And I didn't
really know myself dad.
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And then I didn't
know what happened
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I always remember having a fight
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bit of a do with someone on Crosshills
and it wasn’t supposed to have happened.
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And it happened.
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And I impressed this bloke
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and he said to me he‘s opening
a boxing gym tomorrow, er Monday
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and I walking up home
thinking he thinks I’m hard.
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And that’s the only explanation I
can give I won't have a clue what got
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I mean, I often wonder
about my friends at school
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I haven’t seen them for years and
years, but they’re same as yourself.
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You said there, never
would have thought
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Who would have thought that I
would have been a fighting man
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do you know what I mean
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from boxing to cage fighting to bare
knuckle fighting to unlicensed boxing,
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It was a surprise to myself,
you know what I mean.
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I wonder if thats where I have inherited
my mining days from Dad, doing me,
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you know, pipe jacking
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and things, where
you’ve been an ex-miner.
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Did you work at Hemsworth pit?
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I worked at Hemsworth
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I think I had seven
years at Hemsworth.
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They used to call it
bread and herring pit.
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Because there were no mechanism,
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It was just ponies I
think we had two shafts
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It was ponies down there then?
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We’d had nearly 150
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And it was pick and shovel.
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You know what I mean like,
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just braying at that wall
with a pick and shovel
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We used to chip a
bit out of the bottom
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What were er, Were
it timber heading
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Did you have timber above you?
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Oh yeah.
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You got to do because you
couldnt take your coal
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You couldn’t axe out coal.
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Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, I didn't realize.
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Or pit ponies down like in
your time and when you were
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Mining. Aye that’s
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pick and shovel.
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And then I went from Hemsworth
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‘cause my brothers
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I had two brothers,
they worked at Hemsworth
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My dad worked at Hemsworth
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and my Dad’s brothers
worked at Grimethorpe
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They're was a big family of
us that worked at Grimethorpe.
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And I did more or
less nearly 20 year
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with both.
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As Dave grew
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both Dave and all
those around him
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actually had no idea what
destiny had planned for him,
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what role he would
need to fulfill.
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So at this time he just remained
camouflaged with the rest of his friends
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and peers, with ill fitting
clothes, kicked out trainers
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riding bicycles that
were a mutation.
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Life was hard.
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It gave very little praise
and even less presents.
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That was all apart
from his mother.
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As Dave returned home
from school every day,
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she would ask the same question,
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And what's my little
man been up to today?
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What the purse or the
wallet couldn't pay for
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Dave's imagination funded
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and never more so as it paid for
entry into Hemsworth's answer
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to the complete adventure
pack for all children.
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Or, basically the collection
of derelict buildings
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just across the street
from where Dave lived.
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Once here with his friends, he
would join the ranks of soldiers
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fighting invading forces.
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Now you could say
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that was this destiny,
preparing Dave for the battles
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that he was to have in the
future, in the Brickyard pond,
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In the Brickyard pond,
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in his vessels, with his
shipmates, he would fight pirates
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and also watch as sea monsters,
try to capsize his vessel.
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And here the necessity
to swim was met with.
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Again, was destiny
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preparing Dave with
upper body strength?
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Dave Schooling, his education.
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Well, I think it would be fair
to say that Dave's education
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took more of a hands on route rather
than the customary, academic route.
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His lessons included canoeing.
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Now, again,
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was this to prepare Dave
for throwing his weight
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For moving his shoulders as he
put his paddle against the water.
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But the other benefit
this gave, Dave,
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was a somewhat
flexible timetable
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which allowed him
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to sneak back out
through the school gates.
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To once again walk
through his front door
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in silence
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with the objective to
help his mother out
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with the housework
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as she is self slept upstairs
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after finishing a night
shift at the local hospital.
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At the time in Hemsworth, there was
a man that lived on the streets.
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His name was Cyril.
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People would either
walk past him at best
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or cross the road to avoid him.
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Not Dave.
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Dave would go home,
make a cup of tea
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and take it back to Cyril.
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He would then give Cyril
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the best gift one human
can give to another.
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And that was the gift of time.
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Dave would sit and listen to
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Cyril, listen to the stories
that he would tell the boy,
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and in doing so,
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acknowledge that Cyril
was a human being.
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Yeah, this was Blue Bell pub.
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I’ve had many, many a fight in there
and outside, and on this ground.
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Never ever caused it, I've
always had to defend myself
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My first ever fight there
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was when my sister
Gail rung me up
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and she says ‘you
need to get down here’
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‘there's some trouble’
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So I come down
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and erm,
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there were all big gang
should around and everything
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they were having a
go with my brother
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It finished up, this fella
253
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saying you know, and everyone
were laughing and things
254
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So I stood there and said,
He’ll not fight you, but I will.
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Well, everybody laughed then
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A skinny little thing
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but I were sober
258
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For some reason, I don't
know where it come from
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I hit him and knocked
him to the ground
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and everyone was
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It just went silent,
it went silent.
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A change in events, a
collision of circumstances.
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Now most renowned people
can trace this back
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to were fate, nudged
them to take a specific
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fork in the road
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and to walk a path
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that would lead them
to their notoriety.
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The young Dave Radford, up
until this point in his life
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had remained camouflaged,
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grouped amongst his friends.
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For the first time, Dave Radford
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heard the beast, his
inner beast growl
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as it passed the cage
and clawed at the bars
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as the young Dave Radford
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held his fist
skyward and marveled
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at what he attained
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Again,
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Fate had played its hand,
279
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It placed somebody
in that crowd,
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Dave's friend,
Shaun Higginbottom.
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Shaun approached Dave and informed him
that his father had opened the boxing gym
282
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and advised Dave to attend.
283
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But I was thinking to myself,
this lad thinks I’m hard
284
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Do you know what I
mean, So I went down and
285
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I ended up
286
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starting my boxing
career down there, but
287
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I didn't know how to hold
my hands or anything, and
288
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I got a good hiding every
night when I went down
289
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And then I started
getting better and that
290
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and then when things starting
happening, whereas I was
291
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you know, still only a skinny
little lad, a eleven stone lad
292
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So whenever I was
out and people saying
293
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He’s a boxer
294
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They wouldn’t have
it, these big lads
295
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and they’d forever
296
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Take mickey out of me,
297
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It’d always finish up fighting
298
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Do you know what I mean
299
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I’d end up having
to hit someone.
300
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,039
It worked every time for me,
you know, worked every time.
301
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But,
302
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,040
When I started bare knuckle fighting
and it came on YouTube and things
303
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People seen me then
304
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and I'd be able to
go out and relax.
305
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So people,
306
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Didn’t want to hassle me then.
307
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Do you know what I mean,
Didn’t want to hassle me then.
308
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And they didn’t want to know.
309
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But I’d get a handshake
rather than a stare
310
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and it were nice, and thats
311
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I didn’t want trouble,
do you know what I mean.
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But er,
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like I say,
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you don’t have to go
looking for trouble
315
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It happens anytime
316
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Do you know what I mean.
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And when Alan opened
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YMCA
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of course it were a new
thing in the village.
320
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So everybody wanted
to have a look
321
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:23,960
and I went down
322
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and you walked through the door
323
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and that’s when I
324
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when I first got to know you as
the would be boxer a type of thing.
325
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,399
I wish you would have turned
round to Alan and said
326
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:34,400
He’s barred!
327
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,360
And I wouldn’t have
gone through it!
328
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,480
But yeah I mean,
329
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,239
well, looking back now it’s
how we met and we started
330
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,400
we did a lot at Alans and then
331
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,079
starting doing a bit
of training at yours
332
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:46,599
if you remember,
333
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,159
we used to do some
pad work upstairs.
334
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,799
Yeah upstairs, I’d
converted all the attic.
335
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:50,719
Yeah
336
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:51,599
Carpet down and
337
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,480
done walls out and that
338
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do a bit of weight training
and that wouldn’t we
339
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,079
not too much like,
but a bit of punch bag
340
00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,759
didn’t we, and hand pads
341
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:00,399
hand pads
342
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:00,880
yeah
343
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,239
That was as well as going to gyms
though two or three times week.
344
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,759
That were extra like, wasn’t it.
345
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,520
Yeah, different gyms. Yeah
346
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,279
I was,
347
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,800
I remember you saying
from that moment I knew
348
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,079
that you were going to be a
fighter, you know, I did like.
349
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,079
Yeah, that's what I knew.
350
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,159
Yeah. Yeah.
351
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,360
But, you seen me
with the pro game
352
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,519
Another fighter I got on with
353
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,920
I think it was my first,
first professional fight and
354
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,639
He got in ring and
355
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,440
and a few people
comments saying, you know
356
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:35,679
what's this boy
357
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,616
It’s like a welterweight
getting in with a heavyweight?
358
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,880
Well, I was stood with your dad
359
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:41,680
He came out first
360
00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:44,720
like he come out first
and he walks to ring
361
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,640
I looks at the dad, the dad
looks at me as if to say
362
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,679
he's come out to wrong fight
363
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,799
He's not fighting
our Dave surely?
364
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,800
But he was...
365
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,200
and can you remember Dave
366
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,520
Manager said I'm sorry Dave,
I won't do that to you again.
367
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,720
Yeah.
368
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,759
Afterwards
369
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,999
I wonder how many times he
should apologise again and again
370
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,359
‘cause I got to do more
than once Pete didn’t I
371
00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:08,479
Yeah, yeah.
372
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:08,880
But
373
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:10,960
Dave, you never lost a fight
374
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,360
That was fair 50/50
you never lost one.
375
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:15,479
Yeah.
376
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,040
You only lost against
bigger kids and
377
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,640
but the thing is
what it is, Dave,
378
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:25,920
they look at the boxing record and it
says Dave Radford beat by so-and-so,
379
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,319
but it don't say so-and-so were
three stone heavier than Dave.
380
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,799
It just said beat by
381
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,119
So they don't see
it, Dave do they
382
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,559
They just read a
record and think god
383
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:36,799
Look there, you know what I mean
384
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,439
Yeah.
385
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,680
They don’t know truth
386
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,319
Yeah, I had some
387
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,759
had some very bad mismatches
Pete didn’t I really...
388
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,079
I bet, I bet,
389
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,719
75% of the fights
Dave were mismatched
390
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:50,519
Yeah.
391
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,680
But not mismatched in
your favour though, Dave.
392
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,280
It was always mismatched
in opponents favour.
393
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,439
Want it, know what I mean.
394
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,120
Yeah
395
00:22:58,360 --> 00:22:59,480
Two stone
396
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,480
I bet some of them were
two and half stone heavier
397
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,080
You know and
398
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:05,800
Well you see with it
399
00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,119
If I’m fighting a guy
that’s two stone heavier
400
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:09,519
I've got everything on
me I’ve got the weight
401
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,240
I've got the clinch
I’ve got everything but
402
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,279
All it is for him is
he’s beating me and
403
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,680
he’s going up the rankings here
404
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,679
and I'm going lower down because
405
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,680
I've not won but
406
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,240
It doesn’t show you there
that I’m fighting a guy
407
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,279
I'm up against it all
408
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,159
Do you know what I mean
409
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,160
No, yeah.
410
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:26,639
I don't know if
you remember Dave
411
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,000
We went to one show
and we got weighed in
412
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,999
Can you remember a kid called
Alan Pennington from Liverpool?
413
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000
Right broad scouse?
414
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,079
No
415
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,959
He gets on scales, chuffing
hell, chuffing hell
416
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,039
I’m 11.4
417
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:39,759
That's right. yeah.
418
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,760
He said
419
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,559
He said, well what did
they put you down as?
420
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,560
11.2
421
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,279
Ah well go on then,
we’ll make it 11.3
422
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:46,639
Yeah.
423
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,879
So they put him down at 11.3
and we saw him get on the scales
424
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,280
at 12 stone four.
425
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,000
Yeah, that happened
a-lot didn’t it.
426
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,359
It happened all the time
427
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:58,320
It is scandalous
428
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,160
And that's all just to let the
429
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,279
to make sure fights
happen that night
430
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,479
because crowd had
paid to get in there
431
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:05,759
and if there was
only 3 fights on
432
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,040
when there should be 15 on
433
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,920
I just seemed to be on the back
end all the time didn’t I really
434
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:11,919
I mean
435
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,880
and you never
complained Dave once
436
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,040
I was managed wrong do
you know what I mean, but,
437
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,480
best thing that
happened to me was
438
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,880
meeting Trevor Carrigan,
you know, brilliant
439
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,600
two great trainers there, James
Walker and Trevor Carrigan.
440
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,159
All he was bothered
about was boxers.
441
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,040
He wasn’t bothered about, you
know, making money or whatever.
442
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,959
And that's how it was.
443
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,359
Well, but I mean, he got me the Duran
fight, you got me, you know, Copenhagen
444
00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:43,039
Yeah.
445
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,040
I were looked after with
him, he got me Belfast and
446
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,760
Yeah.
447
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,319
He got you some
decenters didn’t he
448
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:49,639
Yeah.
449
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,400
He got me up to
9 in the country.
450
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,720
One of the fights
that stick in me mind
451
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:58,919
when I fought Dave Larkin
452
00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,519
Dave Larkin
453
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:00,119
Yeah.
454
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,919
Now, Dave Larkin had
a good, good manager.
455
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,920
I think he was Micky Duff
456
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,400
He was
457
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,079
A lot better boxer than
me and everything because
458
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,480
He’d been doing it
a lot longer and
459
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:13,560
He fought and been
managed properly.
460
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,240
Very good amateur career.
461
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,799
And I was thinking, I
ain’t gonna win this one,
462
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:19,800
but
463
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,359
I wasn’t bothered about that
464
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:22,559
It was the villages
465
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,719
Do you know what I'm saying
466
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,760
His village, our
village and things and
467
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,840
I always remember,
468
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,279
big crowds, yeah
469
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,319
It weren’t just boxer
against boxer was it,
470
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,119
It was village against
village wasn’t it
471
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:35,879
Yeah and I was
thinking to myself,
472
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,639
I didn’t want this fight,
I'm thinking, no, no, no.
473
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,560
But, I took the fight.
474
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,839
If you’d have lost that everyone
else would have linched you
475
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,080
yeah, yeah
476
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,719
I’d have been like
Guy Fawkes Village.
477
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:48,720
But erm,
478
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,960
anyway, when that happened,
479
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,200
Dave were a, as I say, a very
skillful boxer and everything
480
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,159
and I just couldn't believe
on the night it went my way
481
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,560
and I ended up winning
on points, but erm
482
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,120
I did not think that
were gonna happen.
483
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,880
Well we used to train at a few
places didn’t we, we used to do
484
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,799
obviously, YM with you
485
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,239
when we first started
486
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,559
then over to Batley in Dewsbury
487
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,279
But then we’d also
do my loft, didn’t we
488
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:24,719
Yeah.
489
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,560
And then can you remember Dave when
we used to go above King's head
490
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:31,280
Me and you and then Eddie
faces started coming and that.
491
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,039
But it was always Pete
492
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,159
It was always after
work wasn’t it because
493
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:35,559
Yeah.
494
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,920
Still had to work, doing a
495
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,719
working
496
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,559
eight, nine hour shift and
going straight home, bathed,
497
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,159
straight to the gym again,
do you know what I mean
498
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,560
Most of them boxers in the gym,
they've been in bed all day.
499
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,279
Yeah.
500
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,720
So they would have more
energy wouldn’t they, and
501
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,400
Thats how it was.
502
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,959
On our nights off
not going to the gym,
503
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,119
I’d be up at yours in the loft,
504
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:57,719
Yeah.
505
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,679
We'd be doing a bit
of light weights.
506
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,599
Yeah, bit of light weights
507
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,519
I always remember it
was never heavy weights
508
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,879
We had a punch bag up like
509
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,279
Punch bag up and hand pads
510
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,400
bit of sparring
511
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,839
It's always our favourite
isn’t it, hand pads
512
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,279
Yeah.
513
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,039
It’s always our favourite
exercise isn’t it.
514
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,040
Yeah.
515
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,839
Your getting your
power out there.
516
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,159
Yeah. You get your power.
You get your timings.
517
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:18,719
Yeah
518
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,999
You get your speed
519
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,200
you get the lot don't you.
520
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,120
But going back to work,
521
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,679
As I say I’ve worked
with you over the years
522
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:26,680
But erm,
523
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,840
I remember being at Barnsley
I was pipelaying there
524
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:32,360
I was on 10 hour shifts
525
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,800
and I get up in the
morning and I used to
526
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,200
a 4, a six, a eight
and a 4 run a week.
527
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,159
You know on a morning
I’d get up at 5am
528
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:40,919
running
529
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:41,920
get back, have a bath
530
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,800
I’d go in my car,
start work at 7am
531
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,600
I'd finish at 5pm
532
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,040
get in my car
533
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,519
still in Barnsley, I’d go
down road and park it up,
534
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,680
James used to come pick me up
535
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,320
and then I’d go from
there to Huddersfield.
536
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,600
Pro-Gym there, I
used train in there
537
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,279
I get back about
half nine at night
538
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,479
get in the car and come home
539
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,239
I’d be out the house 18
hours some of the times
540
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,719
and, not a lot of
boxers did that
541
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,040
I mean, a lot of years wasn’t it
542
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,920
Probably going back what,
543
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,760
about 35 years since you walked
through that door down there
544
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,000
Yeah, yeah.
545
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:18,480
When's the next fight tha’ say
546
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,280
I like that ending...
547
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,040
I love that ending...
548
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,919
Hey, you think I'm joking?
549
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,679
Don’t you
550
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,360
You think I'm joking?
551
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,440
Don't let Michelle here you,
don’t let Michelle hear you.
552
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,279
This is where my first gym was
553
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,280
I think I was
554
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,000
maybe
555
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,040
19 / 20, or something like that
556
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,639
But this place itself
557
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,039
It were my drinking
place when I was younger
558
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,839
and I've had a lot of fights
here do you know what I mean
559
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,719
People from other
villages that erm,
560
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,960
that needed disciplining, do
you know what I mean because
561
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,960
they’d come and they’d
562
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,120
see a small little
lad like me and
563
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,639
looking at my reputation
564
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,479
what I had they couldn't
believe it sometimes
565
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,559
Do you know what I mean
566
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,360
I’ve fought many a
fight in this pub and
567
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,640
George and Bell across the road
568
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,080
but yeah I did a lot
of fighting up here but
569
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,400
I remember one day
570
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,080
I think was me and nasty
Neil Neil Coleman we was
571
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,800
fighting on the floor
572
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,159
we were giving each
other some fists and was
573
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,160
smothered in blood
574
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,120
and door opened
575
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,679
and I just managed to look
to the side and there was a
576
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,719
A fella with a
577
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,520
youngish lad, maybe 12 or 13.
578
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,000
And when I looked again they was
579
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,839
They were like that.
580
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,520
And then we carried on
581
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,400
And then we’d finished
582
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,560
I could hear these
583
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,359
going down the steps
584
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,360
So I jumped up and went
after them and said ‘hey’
585
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:02,840
‘What do you want to join?’
586
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,159
He said I’ve come here for
my son to join, he said.
587
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,199
But this is wrong
place for me, he said.
588
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,279
Wrong place for him, he said.
589
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,320
But I said, No, no, no.
590
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:11,319
You've got it all wrong.
591
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:17,320
And I explained to him, but yeah, I've had
some very nasty sparring sessions up there.
592
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,159
You know what I
mean, very nasty and
593
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,759
Neil Coleman, Gav Keane
594
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,039
There's er,
595
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,439
I started with young
George, I mean,
596
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,840
young George Probert was up here
597
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,200
Mark Oates
598
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,000
On a Sunday morning sometimes
599
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000
I’d shout Mark or
Mark would shout me
600
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,160
Do you fancy a couple
of hours like but,
601
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,480
Nice and steady, we both
agreed nice and steady.
602
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,360
So I'd say yeah, anyway
603
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,519
Probably Mark would get me in a
604
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,679
we were fighting
on the floor then
605
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,040
He’d get me in a move and I
couldn’t get out of this move.
606
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,879
And I wasn't going to tap...
607
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,296
the only way I could get out of
it was maybe drop head on him.
608
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,679
So I’d drop head on him
609
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,680
and that were it then
610
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,320
and then
611
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,320
4 or 5 elbows into chops
he’d to get me then
612
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,039
Sunday dinner would
be in the bin and
613
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,560
soup again because I couldn’t
open my mouth to get my
614
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,480
dinner in, chew my ‘taties
615
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:02,920
but erm
616
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,039
yeah this has been
absolutely a god-send to me.
617
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,920
You know, being on
my own doorstep.
618
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,120
Now, Dave may have
found his first gym
619
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,279
a place where the
620
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,319
underdeveloped and ill
coordinated limbs of this juvenile
621
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,880
beast would learn
and be developed.
622
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,280
The place was within
the bull ropes.
623
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,000
Their strength gained
624
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,479
and their movements
coordinated by pitting himself
625
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,920
against outmatched opponents.
626
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,200
Now, Dave's development as
a boxer got to such a point
627
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,160
whereby the custody
of this young fighter
628
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,600
needed to be given to
somebody who had the ability
629
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,160
to see his full potential,
630
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,559
as well as the aptitude
631
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,440
and the skill to place
Dave onto a world stage
632
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,999
where everybody could see
the level he had attained.
633
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,160
Now, that man, being no
other than James Walker.
634
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,400
We got an offer for a
real step up for Dave.
635
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,600
And this guy called
Davey Johnson
636
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,039
Everyone was talking about him.
They thought he was the new
637
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,520
Herol ‘bomber’ Graham at
the middleweight division.
638
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,959
He was, hit you and you
never hit him, he was
639
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,679
moving all round,
beautiful skills
640
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,760
really really really good boxer
and we were fighting with him
641
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,839
I think it was a ten round
or an eight round, a fight.
642
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,840
And, and we started losing the fight
because Davey Johnson was a better boxer.
643
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,120
Far better boxer.
644
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,040
But
645
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,840
Dave's determination
and Dave's belief.
646
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,960
I remember we went out
for the round and he was
647
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,080
and it was Davey Johnson was
just getting the better of him.
648
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:17,159
I said, you’re gonna have to get
to him and he knocked Dave down.
649
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,880
And it wasn't the
strength of the punch,
650
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,920
it was the accumulation of
lots of punches, you know.
651
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,559
And I said to him,
determination, determination.
652
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,559
And he got a bit frustrated
because he couldn't.
653
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,680
And anyway, they came into
the corner right above us.
654
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,360
And they were there and
Dave just let this left go
655
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,680
and he was just up, just
pop and it went that far
656
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,120
and it crumpled
and he was gone and
657
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,839
Dave knew it hurt him.
658
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,839
And Davey Johnson, he
was fine in the end.
659
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,879
He went to hospital, unfortunately,
but it was unbelievable.
660
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,880
And it was like, wow, well,
you know, this is amazing.
661
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,160
And he beat Davey Johnson.
662
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,799
He had his strength
663
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,360
That was his strength he
had his determination.
664
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,599
But he could, his
hands were dynamite
665
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,600
he could hit with both hands and they
were and they were heavy hitting hands.
666
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,119
And Dave had a fantastic jab.
667
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,799
One of the best
jabs I've ever seen.
668
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,800
Real solid jab, they hurt.
669
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,039
The hurt as hard as
any most people's
670
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,080
right hands.
671
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,599
And then we got a
fight with a kid called
672
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,680
Martin Jolly
673
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,599
What a tough lad
Martin Jolley was
674
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,719
Classed as a journeyman
675
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:59,720
But if you beat Martin Jolley
you were a good fighter.
676
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,759
He was so tough and I knew it was
going to be a tough fight for Dave.
677
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,440
I knew it was, and we
trained hard for it.
678
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,519
And again, I said to him,
It's all about that jab.
679
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,519
It's all about that
680
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,080
that devastating punch.
681
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,040
And he beat Jolley and
he sickened Jolley.
682
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,760
And in the end, Jolley came up to me
at the end of the fight and he said,
683
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,240
he says, I've never
been as hard with a jab
684
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,480
and Jolley as fought the majority of
the middleweight champions in England.
685
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,520
And he said, ‘I've never
been solidly hit as hard.’
686
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:40,639
And for that kid to say
that was, was amazing.
687
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,760
And then we got the
call to go to Belfast
688
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,960
and we went over and we were fighting
the next big thing, Danny Ryan
689
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,599
and Danny could punch with both
hands, but he was a little bit
690
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,400
like Davey Johnson, very
slick, very good boxer.
691
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,960
The first time I fought
him, I got a draw with him.
692
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,720
It was very close and I got
the draw but I did break my
693
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,239
break my hand in the second
round so I fought, I fought
694
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:34,440
another 4 rounds with a broken
fist, I think it was a 6 round fight
695
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:38,040
and yeah, Danny was a nice lad
696
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,919
But then I went to Africa,
697
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,160
I come back from Africa and I jumped
in with Danny again for the second time
698
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,960
and he stopped me
in the second round.
699
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,479
And he put me down.
700
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,319
I got back up saying I slipped,
which I thought I had slipped.
701
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,799
But when I've watched it back now I
know he puts me down and then Referee
702
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,200
joined us together,
we fight again. And
703
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,600
He ends up stopping
me, Referee stopped him
704
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,519
He’s a cracking lad is Danny
705
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,160
You know I had a good erm,
706
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,080
A good conversation with
him, we talked about his
707
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,080
obviously Irish are my
grandmother are both Irish, so
708
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,880
we had a good crack
together, it was alright.
709
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,120
Once again, fate
would dial the phone,
710
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,600
but this time it would be James
Walker that would pick it up.
711
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,920
And the voice coming
out of the earpiece
712
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,360
would offer Dave a
monumental point in his life,
713
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,680
as well as a
fantastic opportunity
714
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,520
in his boxing career.
715
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,120
So, of course, when
I put phone down,
716
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,560
where are you?
717
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,280
And if I remember I was ringing around
everyone ringing your dad, ringing home
718
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,160
and no one knew where you were.
719
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,239
I was at my sister's plastering
720
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,159
I’d got a couple
of week off work
721
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,360
and she wanted some work doing
722
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,479
and I was plastering
her kitchen.
723
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,999
And I was halfway
through, I’d got it
724
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,520
I got it on the
wall and everything.
725
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,200
I think you rung Michelle,
726
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,320
you said, you know,
I’ve got you a fight
727
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,560
We have to fly tomorrow,
It’s South Africa,
728
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,400
I says, ‘South Africa?’
729
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,800
He says ‘yeah’, I says
730
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,679
‘yeah, no worries’, he went
731
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,159
‘well don’t you wanna
know who you’re fighting?’
732
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,079
I says ‘Who am I fighting?’
733
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,440
He went, ‘Roberto Duran’
I went, ‘he’ll kill me!’
734
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,560
But, you packed your
bag as quick as anything
735
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,959
and to your credit, you never
asked how much the purse were
736
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,160
we were just down and
737
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,400
and straight down to Heathrow
738
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,599
and we drove
739
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,040
from the airport to the
center of Johannesburg
740
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,520
and we got out the van. And
741
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,040
and we got out the van. And
742
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:19,399
it was the scariest thing
I've ever done in my life
743
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,760
walking if you remember.
744
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:22,399
I remember that it was
745
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,439
It was a very scary place, looking
over my shoulder all the time wasn’t it
746
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,639
Well, it
747
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,280
You could hear you
remember those gunshots
748
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,840
all the time
749
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,959
and then it was gloves on time.
750
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,400
Do you remember that? Do you
remember when the gloves went on?
751
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,479
Yeah, I remember then
752
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,919
that's when my head
went into shape.
753
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,359
And I said right, you
know, this is it now
754
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,559
I'm going out to war, and now I
remember I always go into that mode,
755
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,000
you know, when I put the gloves
but I was very nervous, you know,
756
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,200
it didn’t matter because
them people didn’t know me
757
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,600
but it was who I was fighting
do you know what I mean
758
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,760
and I’m just thinking
to myself, you know
759
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,239
I've watched this man on television
and I always thought he was a beast
760
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,800
Do you know what I mean and then
I'm getting in and fighting him.
761
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,039
So yeah but, I was
762
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,599
very, very nervous.
763
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,360
I mean, it was let's be honest,
he was number three in the world.
764
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,600
And you were, I don't know,
765
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,040
200 in the world at that point,
the world before you fought him.
766
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,639
So then the knock on the door came
and it was time for us to, to go in.
767
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,679
And the security guard opening
the door and just being hit
768
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,280
by the cameras and the
lights and the people.
769
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,079
And we came down and
they walked us through.
770
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,759
But yeah, that took it for me.
771
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,519
It was breathtaking looking at
the crowd and everything and that
772
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,079
But then I’m mooching around there all of
a sudden I looked at the side of the ring
773
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,080
and who were at ringside there, one
of me heroes, marvelous Marvin Hagler
774
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:02,400
suffering Jesus
775
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,080
I was gobsmacked.
776
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,840
And same as when
Duran got in the ring
777
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,519
the first thing I want to go
over and shake his hand and say
778
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,960
you know he was one of
my heroes as well and
779
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,399
and I was fighting
him, so it was
780
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,800
So I had to keep myself
in that zone and you know,
781
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,680
forget it all day,
forget it all. And
782
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,440
but yeah, it was
783
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,199
in that ring it was
784
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,559
It was a dream, you know,
what you see on television
785
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,336
and fighters get into ring and there's
all this crowd there and everything
786
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,359
and it happened for me do
you know what I mean and
787
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,199
yeah it was
788
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,400
amazing, it was brilliant
789
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,560
but to fight in that heat
790
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,600
and to fight 3 minutes
rounds, and to fight Duran
791
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,720
I was thinking to myself this
is, this is not looking good.
792
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,880
This is not looking good
specially with the heat but
793
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,720
Like I say, ding ding,
round one started
794
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,400
When I was fighting Duran, I was
struggling with the heat and breathing
795
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,119
but it was different class.
796
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,920
You know, a world title
level you know to a British
797
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:36,320
title more or less type of
thing or someone in the top ten.
798
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,359
It just seemed to
be his body movement
799
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,360
He’d come to the
body bang to the body
800
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,999
and you were tense,
you had to tense up
801
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,320
to take this shot, big
hard shot to the body
802
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,439
and then he’d more or less know
803
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,640
he might stick a jab in me
804
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,360
knowing then
805
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,800
I could breathe
806
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,960
to get my air
807
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,320
soon as I’ve to, breathe
808
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,639
your man would
drop downstairs and
809
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,840
come in again, do you know
what I mean, and it was
810
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,279
his skill level
811
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,520
knowing when I breathing
when I wasn’t breathing,
812
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,000
when to hit me, when not to
hit me, when I needed that air.
813
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,480
Your man would drop down and
put it in again so that I got
814
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,439
short breaths, you
know what I mean?
815
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,039
And that's a different level
altogether, you know, world champion
816
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,480
You know what I mean?
817
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,520
I think five time
world champion.
818
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,920
I end up having an hernia
operation after that.
819
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,039
I ended up
820
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,919
He hit me low, er,
821
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:31,920
three or four times
822
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,799
I noticed when I was getting
in the shower I got a
823
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,559
lump and I'm thinking,
you know what is this
824
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,039
he bust the wall of my stomach
825
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,720
and I ended up having
an hernia operation.
826
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,600
And a lot of fighters
will agree with me on this
827
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,399
you can get up from
a good chin shot
828
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,680
but you won't get up
from a good body shot.
829
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,879
When you get one in
the rib cage there
830
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,479
A good body shot your not
getting back up from that
831
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,040
before 10 do you
know what I mean?
832
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,639
This one I went
833
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,400
into a dressing room
afterwards, erm,
834
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,200
To meet, to have a
proper meet with him.
835
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,680
Absolute gentlemen.
836
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,600
These gloves.
837
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,400
These gloves what you’ve
hit me with a few times
838
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,960
These are the original gloves
839
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,639
I fought Roberto
Duran in these gloves.
840
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,399
They gave him me
them on that night.
841
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,759
They gave me them, to put on.
842
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,240
I went to Duran's dressing room
843
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,159
and they agreed I
could have the gloves.
844
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,960
And your man signed them there
845
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,399
they're better than anything.
You know what I mean
846
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,600
they're better than anything. And
they've got his DNA on, my DNA on
847
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,679
They are the original gloves
I fought Roberto Duran in, and
848
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,879
They might have a bit of
Michelle’s DNA on, ‘cause
849
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,880
She’s hit me with them
a few times, haven’t you
850
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,119
There’s this one here
851
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,799
Hemsworth boxer,
verge of top ten.
852
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,039
I always wanted to
853
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,279
I've always wanted
to get in top ten,
854
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,160
you know, I used to buy
boxing news and read it and
855
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,480
look at ratings and
things like that and
856
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,800
my dream was to
be in the top ten.
857
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:07,560
And I fought Duran and then
ended up being in the top ten.
858
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,320
So I was really, really
pleased with that.
859
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,160
The Roberto Duran fight
propelled Dave up the rankings
860
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,520
and the wave that he rode and allowed
all in the boxing world to see him.
861
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,400
But as we know,
862
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,400
all waves at some point
must come crashing down.
863
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,720
And when they do so,
864
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,320
they change the landscape.
865
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,960
When Dave's wave
came crashing down,
866
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,919
the view of his boxing career
867
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,240
changed forever.
868
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,960
The accident broke Dave's bones,
869
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,600
but it also fractured
his boxing career.
870
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,240
When I had that
accident at Huddersfield
871
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,599
that were a bad situation that.
872
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,679
Yeah, yeah.
873
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,760
Well I remember
when that happened
874
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:22,879
getting a phone call,
875
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,920
off your ex-wife called me and will I take
her to hospital, you’ve had an accident.
876
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,000
So again, I flew through
877
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,480
seen you laid there
878
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,360
absolutely devastated because the fine
fit young man that went to work that day
879
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,879
was in just in a
horrible place, to me
880
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:39,880
you were on death's door.
881
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,496
They reckoned it would
have killed any normal man
882
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,976
They reckoned it would
have killed any normal man
883
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,560
It probably would have.
884
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:49,000
Say I was down, down
the shaft, 48 foot deep.
885
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,720
So we're digging, digging away.
886
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,959
And then every now and
again, you sink the shaft.
887
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,639
You push the shaft from the top.
888
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,040
But every time we're pushing the cage
would come down, we'd get in the cage.
889
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,759
Then we'd go out of the shaft
890
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,440
But anyway, the top man
had gone away to the toilet
891
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,319
and then Patsy shouted to me,
he said, ‘We're going to push’
892
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,639
So I give him thumbs up.
893
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,920
I carried on because usually it take
about 5 minutes for cage to come down.
894
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,960
So I'm walking away and then all of a
sudden I put jackhammer into the ground
895
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,440
and John got out of the machine
896
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,440
and
897
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,880
I never looked up, but I was
waiting for the Cage to come down.
898
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,679
Then all of a sudden,
the shaft dropped.
899
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,680
It went
900
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,480
John went ‘Borrrr’
901
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,880
and I laughed at him, I
remember laughing at him.
902
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,679
But I didn't know
what had gone off was
903
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,480
Patsy said to your
man, I'm going to push
904
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,040
Well he’d
905
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,239
the top man had gone to
tip, gone to the toilet.
906
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,800
So the engineer walking by
907
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,280
so he pushed a button
to push the shaft
908
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,880
and not knowing, you know,
what he should have been doing.
909
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,319
And as the shaft dropped
910
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,280
there were some metal shoes
that weighed just about 2 stone.
911
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,120
And they fell in
912
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,320
there were four,
but two were on rope
913
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,320
they weighed two,
two and a half stone
914
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,120
er, one
915
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,679
hit me on top of my head
916
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,519
but luckily enough
them helmets George
917
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,519
You know what what I mean, you
think that they’re nowt are they but
918
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:14,879
Yeah.
919
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:15,879
That saved me
920
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,600
That hit me on top of
my shoulder and broke
921
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,399
broke my collarbone, big
plate in my collarbone
922
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,640
my jaw, six vertebrae’s
in my back I’ve crushed
923
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,360
but I was the lucky one
924
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,600
John bless him, he
925
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,999
he ended up paralyzed like,
he’s in a wheelchair now but,
926
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,920
No, it was a sad
time, it was horrible
927
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,600
to see two fit men
going to work one day
928
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,199
one mistake from one man
that has knackered two lives.
929
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,479
I woke up and looked
930
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,119
and there was about this
much water in the shaft
931
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,599
it were all red
932
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,719
There were paramedics here, so I
don’t know how long I were out.
933
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:45,559
Well, fire service
had to get you out.
934
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,319
I was looking around
thinking, what's going on?
935
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,079
And then that just got John in
a stretcher who, took him out.
936
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,640
Anyway, the story behind it, when
whatever the inquest, the inquest
937
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,360
them shoes what fell in
938
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,639
the weighed two and a half stone,
and were traveling at 60 mile an hour
939
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,199
and weighed just over a ton.
940
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,199
Well I lucky enough
941
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,600
Well unlucky enough to go visit the
site and I looked into the shaft
942
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,799
and it was, I don't know
how many meters it was
943
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,800
but it was scary the fact that
something of a substantial size
944
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,639
and weight could fall off the
hydraulic ram that it was connected to.
945
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,120
It could have been a simple safety
pin that stopped it doing that
946
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,800
It nearly killed two men.
947
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,040
Paralysed one man, that’s
948
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:27,960
Yeah.
949
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,319
But anyway that was work experiences
and you live and you learn
950
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,479
That, as I say I were a
951
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:34,920
young fit man then that
952
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,519
professional boxing license
was took off my straight away
953
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,520
so I had no license
954
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,199
Obviously your license got taken
away from you, your boxing license.
955
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,640
Which you loved boxing,
training, fighting.
956
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,439
So you had to move
on to something else.
957
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,840
Well, what could I do, British
board of boxing control
958
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,720
took your license away from you.
959
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,880
Never asked if they could
960
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,960
No, no, they didn’t have to,
with the condition of you.
961
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:04,879
Eventually went I
962
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,239
when I could walk and get myself back
right, I had to try and clear me head
963
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:11,760
because I was down and depressed
because I couldn’t work
964
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,119
I ended up going for long walks.
965
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,120
And I remember
966
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Sunday morning taking me daughter
for a walk, I was taking Becky.
967
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,560
We got to the gate and I
looked into the cul-de-sac
968
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,040
and I saw a car on fire...
969
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,919
Part of Dave's rehabilitation.
970
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,160
To aid him back
to a full recovery
971
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,000
was to take a daily walk.
972
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,120
On one particular morning, he set
off with his daughter Rebecca,
973
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,480
with the aim to walk
to the local shops.
974
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,280
Now, as Dave exited his front
gate, he would normally turn right
975
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,279
on this particular morning
976
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,199
he actually looked left
977
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,519
there in the street was a parked
978
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,680
car stationary without
its engine running
979
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:11,439
and he couldn't
980
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,840
understand what drew his
attention towards this car.
981
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,319
But as Dave approached, he
started to see thin wisps of acrid
982
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,280
smoke escaping from the vehicle
983
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,520
through the window seals.
984
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,160
As Dave approached the car, he
looked through the blackened glass.
985
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,320
The sight that met his
eyes stopped his heart
986
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,240
and lifted his stomach.
987
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,800
There in a child seat,
988
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,920
was a small child, motionless,
989
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,680
Dave frantically opened the door
990
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,919
and with a strength that
he could not fathom,
991
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:01,439
assisted by the heat of the flames,
he held both sides of the child seat
992
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,679
and ripped the melting
plastic straps from the car.
993
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,319
He held the child in the
street, wishing the fresh,
994
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,560
clean air would fill
the child's lungs.
995
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,600
Dave's next action was to
run back down the path.
996
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,640
That only seconds
earlier, he'd walked up
997
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,599
to dial 999
998
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,920
and contact the
emergency services.
999
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,360
Now, it is said
1000
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,600
that there is a
plan for all of us
1001
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,640
a predetermined screenplay
1002
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,920
that at times we
cannot understand.
1003
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,920
Now, if that block of
steel hadn't had fallen
1004
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,760
or if Dave hadn't been in
the bottom of that pit.
1005
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,760
Would have been anybody
1006
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,520
to pull that child
from the burning car.
1007
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:06,080
And if, in fact, there was,
would they have had the strength
1008
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,760
to rip the child seat
from the anchoring straps.
1009
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,840
I remember I went to Doncaster
1010
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,080
and I was in the dressing room
with Neil and Gavin and I just said
1011
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:41,880
So whats up with him, he said
1012
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,720
His opponents not turned up.
1013
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,519
I went, oh right.
1014
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,440
So I just went over
and I said to him,
1015
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,961
‘Are you all right?’ He said,
‘My opponents not turned up’
1016
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,680
I said, ‘What do you
weigh?’ he went, ‘14 stone’
1017
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,959
I says, ‘I’m 14 stone, I‘ll
fight you’ He say’s ‘what?’
1018
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:58,559
I says
1019
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:59,439
‘what it is mate,
1020
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,239
I've been to shows and my
opponents not showed up in boxing.’
1021
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:04,399
I said, but it does,
it's upsetting.
1022
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,720
I said, But I’ve done a bit
of cage fighting training
1023
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,520
but if you wanna have a
fight tonight, I’ll fight you
1024
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,480
You sent me to
the car for shorts
1025
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,920
And I’ve got a pair of shoes on
1026
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,079
And I mean, I had my shoes
1027
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,080
We’d gone to watch
1028
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:20,880
Then I walked in and
1029
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,520
First ever cage fight you gave
a good account of yourself.
1030
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:25,960
Yeah, I ended up beating
this guy, but erm,
1031
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,040
I’ve took lot of
fights on short notice
1032
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:30,199
When I fought
1033
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,440
Michael Bisping,
that was another one.
1034
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,480
You realise that he went
on to be a UFC champion.
1035
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,000
He never did, did he?
1036
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,440
The thing is with
you, you turn up
1037
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,199
You don't care what the man is on
the other side of the, your opponent.
1038
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,776
You’ll just turn up,
and have a good go.
1039
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,319
Give a good account of yourself.
1040
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,960
Like you say, although
you lost to him
1041
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,120
He’s turned on to be
one of the greats.
1042
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,639
But you’ve never turned
a fight down yet...
1043
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,640
No, but I wish I’d have
stopped at home that night.
1044
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,720
Well, you’ve seen it how
it happened, when you go
1045
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,239
when you go to these
bareknuckle fights.
1046
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,840
And it’s, when it first
started a long time back
1047
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,799
in nightclub, F-club
1048
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,840
You’d go and your opponent
would turn up so it’s
1049
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,959
Well you look same size
him, you fight him.
1050
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,280
You know nothing about the
man, nothing at all. But
1051
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:13,959
if he
1052
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:14,759
If your game enough.
1053
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,960
If you want to fight you
have a fight and that’s it
1054
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:17,760
It’s
1055
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:19,399
Win, lose or draw
1056
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,400
Yeah, it’s
1057
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,119
taking part and
1058
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,039
having a good old scrap
1059
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,280
to walk away and people say
1060
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,120
'That were a right scrap
that’ that time you know it’s
1061
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,079
I want to win every time but If I don’t
win, as long as it's talked about that fight
1062
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,176
do you know what I mean, it’s
1063
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,200
it’s erm,
1064
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,880
giving people the money's
worth, do you know what I mean.
1065
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:40,520
Dave Radford in
side control here
1066
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,600
and he’s tapped! He’s tapped!
1067
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,120
Mark Goddard what’s he doing?
looking at the ring girls?
1068
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,600
Come on Mark, the
guy has tapped.
1069
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:47,919
Oh nice.
1070
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,040
And there we go, he’s seen
it now he’s stepped in
1071
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,080
beautiful, beautiful
on one hour’s notice
1072
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,759
Dave’s been in there with
everybody, he’s a good fighter
1073
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,040
a tough guy, a hard man, a
very hard man, well done.
1074
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,720
When you’re used
to having all that
1075
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,799
well do I call it punishment?
1076
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,039
What I'm saying all that,
all that aggression,
1077
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,440
the fighting and
things like that.
1078
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,679
And then all of a
sudden to say it stops
1079
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:16,879
you don’t do it anymore
1080
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,079
It doesn’t just stop
1081
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,200
You know what I mean,
you carry on, yeah, er
1082
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,199
So yeah I got no license
1083
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,159
so I ended up training
people actually, and then
1084
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,640
when Neil and Gav
Keane come down
1085
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,359
They asked me, you know
1086
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,199
with a bit of boxing skill
1087
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,240
because we are cage fighters, and I
asked, ‘What’s this cage fighting about?’
1088
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,840
Anyway, they
1089
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,559
showed me what is was about
1090
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:39,120
you know,
1091
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,959
kicking and things and it was a
lot harder than what I thought
1092
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,320
do you know what I mean, and er,
1093
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:46,800
Then I ended up
1094
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,400
training with them
at Andy’s place and
1095
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,520
having, having a
1096
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,640
you know some brutal sessions, you
know kicking shin on shin, blocking
1097
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:57,440
Oh, It was savage but
1098
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,360
I jumped in and
ended up fighting
1099
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,000
Ian Rush
1100
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,280
and then I fought another guy
1101
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,519
He were well up there but
I can't think of his name
1102
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,240
but when I, when I
jumped in with Ian Rush
1103
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,200
I beat the man, I beat the man.
1104
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,560
And then for some reason I
ended up fighting him again.
1105
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,520
And what happened, what
happened with Ian Rush
1106
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:20,920
Second time I fought him
1107
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,040
He put me in a chokehold,
a rear naked choke.
1108
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,880
And he started squeezing and
1109
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,880
obviously you’re gonna go to
sleep, your on the way to your bed.
1110
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:31,800
And what your man did
1111
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,479
He got me in this choke,
I was going to sleep
1112
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,840
I thought, I ain't. I'm not
tapping. I'm not tapping.
1113
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,639
So I went to sleep.
1114
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,440
But when I come round I
was shaking, I was shaking.
1115
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,320
So I always thought to myself, if
anybody gets me in that choke again,
1116
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,239
I felt embarrassed.
1117
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,200
So I thought, I'm going to
I'm going to definitely tap.
1118
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,480
And I fought this other guy really
up there I can’t think of his name
1119
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,119
you know, skillful.
1120
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,401
And then he got me on the floor
and put me in a rear naked
1121
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,480
and he put me in
a rear naked choke
1122
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,320
and he was sending
me away to sleep
1123
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,239
and I tapped like this
and he wouldn’t stop.
1124
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,800
And I were going to my bed
1125
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:10,600
anyway, when I
1126
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,879
when the referee stopped it, I jumped up
and I kicked off because he didn’t let go.
1127
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,039
He showed you disrespect,
but he showed it to you.
1128
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:18,559
Yeah,
1129
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,080
So I was a bit
annoyed over that but
1130
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,120
I tapped because
1131
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,839
I was embarrassed when I
went to sleep last time.
1132
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,360
When I come around I was
shaking it and I just though no.
1133
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,919
Nigel Benn, I got
in with Nigel Benn
1134
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,160
It was all for charity, for
a young lad bless him, he’s
1135
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,160
You know, it was
1136
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,400
money to be raised.
1137
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,440
And we knew when Nigel said to
me, don't you try knocking me out.
1138
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,519
I knew straight away, I’m not
gonna mess about with Nigel Benn
1139
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:52,999
or he’d put me to sleep.
1140
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,839
If you’d had seen him
training in that gym
1141
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,319
In that dressing room
1142
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:57,640
You wouldn't be
messing with him.
1143
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,879
No, that’s what I’m
saying, I knew for a fact
1144
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,039
so that's why it was just
1145
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,200
playful stuff because
1146
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,560
I knew if I tried to try
a silly shot with Nigel
1147
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,479
He’d have put me away to my bed
straight away do you know what I mean.
1148
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:09,959
So I just
1149
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,079
No, its respect in it.
1150
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,519
And that’s the big thing.
1151
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,879
And it don't cost a penny that
respect, you know what I mean and
1152
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,640
And that's, that's why
a lot of these fighters
1153
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,280
It’s the same with the
bare knuckle fighting,
1154
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,039
A lot of people
look at me and think
1155
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,799
you must be nasty horrible
people and things like that
1156
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,799
No, it’s, you don’t have to
be nasty horrible to be a
1157
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,239
to be a fighter, do
you know what I mean?
1158
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,959
But people don't realise
afterwards that I'm all right
1159
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,200
The first day when I'll get
up, the next day I'm all right
1160
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,800
for me, for some
reason, the third day
1161
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:39,839
when I've had a good scrap like
1162
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:40,880
same as James McCrory
1163
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,960
yeah, James McCrory
the second fight,
1164
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,720
It was, you know, brutal and
1165
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:47,119
that’s my medicine
1166
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,880
that’s your love,
that’s what you need
1167
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,360
Yeah it's, just it’s weird.
1168
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,360
I once travelled down to
Hinckley with Dave Radford.
1169
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,000
He picked me up he was
1170
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:20,360
invited
1171
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,839
They were having a few of the known
fighters around the ring it was at a
1172
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,080
working men’s club in Hinckley
1173
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,680
and, er,
1174
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,199
Dave said, well, I don't
have to pay in here because
1175
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,320
he said they know I’m coming,
I've got a seat ringside.
1176
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,680
I thought, well, I'd
like a seat ringside.
1177
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,279
So as Dave got
1178
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,159
to the door to where
the security men were
1179
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,920
he just said to
him, Dave Radford?
1180
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,079
Yeah, he said yeah yeah,
I know who you are mate
1181
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:44,759
in you go
1182
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:45,879
I said, ‘Dave Radford’s trainer’
1183
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,519
He said yes, in you
go, go and get a seat.
1184
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:52,000
So we’ve finished up both
sitting ringside and, er
1185
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,999
just before the first
bout word came about
1186
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,400
one of the fighters
had not turned up and
1187
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,800
Dave just went, erm...
1188
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,120
I'm just trying to think if
I've got any shorts in the car
1189
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,839
He said, only I don't want
to, I’ve got my best jeans on
1190
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,799
I don't want to
get blood on them.
1191
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,400
I said, Well. Why are
you going to fight?
1192
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,880
He said, Well, if you don't turn
up like I'll I'll stand in for him.
1193
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,159
I said, ‘you don't know
who you're fighting, Dave.’
1194
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:21,799
He said,
1195
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:22,879
I don't bother about that.
1196
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,120
He said, Not really,
don't really concern me.
1197
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,040
I said.
1198
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,439
Surely you want to know. He said,
no, I'm not really bothered.
1199
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,120
Anyway, it turned out like
it was a heavyweight bout.
1200
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,999
Fame and glory my
lad, fame and glory.
1201
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,080
Get it done, Radford.
1202
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,920
And the man who’d not
turned up was fighting a big
1203
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,640
I would think about 6 foot 4
1204
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,320
man, who must have
been about 17 stone
1205
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,679
I said ‘oh but look at
the size of him Dave.’
1206
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:56,680
I said
1207
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,040
and I said
1208
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,799
the size of him don't
worry you Dave? Not really.
1209
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,679
He said, I’ve fought big en’s
before, he said they look even bigger
1210
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,840
you know when you knock them
out and they’re laid down.
1211
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,160
I’m gonna tell you a story.
1212
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,840
When I working in Barnsley, Barnsley
town center, we’d sunk a shaft
1213
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,800
And anyway, we got this
shaft sunk and job done.
1214
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,999
And boss said to me, ‘what,
you like at block paving?’
1215
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,559
I said, Oh, I'm perfect, so
1216
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,880
It was a really big area
it was to block pave.
1217
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,039
Anyway, Saturday afternoon
1218
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,200
I'm working away there and
1219
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,959
we've got this big harris
fencing around, you know,
1220
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,760
obviously to stop people
walking by us and things.
1221
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,040
So when we are
working away there
1222
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,239
I could hear this bit of
noise, I was on my knees
1223
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,920
putting blocks down
and what was this noise
1224
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,000
I looked to the side and
there was a man there
1225
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,520
He got the old queer fella
out and he was having a pee
1226
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,919
I looked up at him and
he was just staring at me
1227
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,080
you know, giving me the eyes
1228
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,359
and there was about 6 of them
that were sat on a bench.
1229
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,480
That's where they come from.
1230
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,400
So, anyway, your
man had finished and
1231
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,760
I looked at Darren,
and I said, Darren
1232
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,560
‘Where are the CCTV cameras
around here?’ and he says,
1233
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,160
I don't know why he says
1234
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,200
I’m gonna go off my
head in a minute.
1235
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,600
And anyway, I've got a
Stihl saw at the side of me.
1236
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,440
And as this saw was
at the side of me
1237
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:38,080
I could hear these two
1238
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,279
fella’s talking with
these other fella’s
1239
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:41,280
and he’s saying
1240
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,080
if I take that saw off
him, can you sell it?
1241
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,800
He says, I'm telling you
now, I can sell it...
1242
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:48,160
You know
1243
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:49,560
He said well,
1244
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,880
get it off him and we’ll
have a bit of money off it,
1245
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,440
then all of a sudden the lad
turned around and he said
1246
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:57,920
I'll go in there and
give him a good hiding
1247
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,040
and we'll take the saw.
1248
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,800
So I looked across, and says
‘give me a good hiding?’
1249
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:05,760
he says, ‘Yeah.’
1250
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,119
And I jumped up, pulled my
helmet off, pulled my top off
1251
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,440
and went running around and,
your man who tried peeing
1252
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:14,799
He came towards me first
1253
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,600
and I banged him with
a beautiful left hook
1254
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,680
he dropped to the floor,
the other one who come
1255
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,880
straight forward I hit him
with a lovely right hand
1256
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,199
and other one grabbed hold of
me, both grabbed each other
1257
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,240
He was trying to bite
me, he was doing this
1258
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:29,880
but
1259
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,319
What happened was, when
he was trying to bite me
1260
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,400
I was pushing him away, and
he was pulling towards me
1261
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,160
Your man who I’d hit
with the left hook
1262
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,880
Who were crumbled on
bank, side of the bank
1263
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,040
He were getting up?!
1264
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,440
I kicked him in face
to make him stop down.
1265
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,880
And as he went down again,
1266
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,719
this guy was pulling me
towards him and I was pushing,
1267
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:52,959
I just let go with my hand
1268
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:53,400
Bang!
1269
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:54,880
I dropped in with head
1270
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,759
So as he fell down,
1271
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,199
he fell onto the harris fencing.
1272
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,200
So when I banged with that left hook,
and kicked him, your man still got up
1273
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,760
he jumped in the compound
to me and as he jumped in
1274
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:07,000
I heard this
1275
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,920
someone talking and when I looked
it was two traffic wardens.
1276
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:11,720
They said to this lad
1277
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,960
I wouldn’t go in there
if I were you mate.
1278
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:15,479
Anyway, he come towards me
1279
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:16,680
and I was shaking right hand
1280
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,039
He were looking at right hand and
soon as he looked at right hand
1281
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,560
Bang I let go with left hook
1282
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,560
Bushka, he’d gone, again
1283
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:23,920
anyway
1284
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,079
as I’m messing around
with the fencing these
1285
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,400
three blokes picked
themselves up
1286
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,640
but police were,
police were coming
1287
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,280
anyway they just
run off these fellas
1288
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,160
and Sunday morning, I were
working away me and Darren
1289
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,639
and these two policemen
1290
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,160
come walking by
and your man said
1291
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:46,919
‘Do you have any more
trouble with them go off?’
1292
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,720
I went, ‘No, ’ I says
1293
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,039
They never came back.
1294
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,319
He said ‘no they didn’t
come back, we locked the up’
1295
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,520
I said, ‘Oh, sound, sound.’
1296
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,240
He says, ‘bloody hell,
you can fight can’t you?’
1297
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,079
So I said ‘yeah I was
only defending myself.’
1298
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,119
He said, we were
watching it last night on
1299
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,960
CCTV camera, and he were pointing
up, it was just above us, camera.
1300
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:06,880
And I laughed and I says
1301
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:08,999
‘Is there any chance of
a copy of the video?’
1302
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,240
He said, don't push your luck.
1303
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,400
Dave was now fully aware as to
the presence of his inner beast.
1304
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:24,919
He was also aware of its capability,
its capability to mete out
1305
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,680
discipline to those that
required such a life lesson.
1306
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:30,959
Now, Dave
1307
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,480
would be the jailer to
this hidden persona.
1308
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,999
It was he that would decide
1309
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,360
whether to turn the key in
the lock of the cage door
1310
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:45,040
anti-clockwise, granting
this beast freedom.
1311
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,680
He would then use
self-discipline as the referee
1312
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,560
to call time on its liberty
1313
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:57,480
before once again turning the
key in the lock on the cage door.
1314
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,640
But this time it would be
in a clockwise direction.
1315
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,160
The beast needed a cause.
1316
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,640
He needed an outlet.
1317
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:10,679
And the exercise yard
1318
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,999
the jailer discovered,
was in the shape
1319
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,120
of a ring of bales,
1320
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,999
an arena for bare
1321
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,480
knuckle fighting.
1322
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,800
Now, in order to
understand this sport,
1323
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:31,479
as well as its code of conduct, there
is actually no one better placed
1324
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:36,320
to do so than that renowned
bareknuckle boxing promoter
1325
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,240
Andy Topliff.
1326
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:42,959
Where did it all come from?
1327
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:47,280
Basically, it started off
with Elizabeth the 1st
1328
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,599
Now Elizabeth the 1st
1329
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,920
she allowed pirates, right.
1330
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,799
She allowed her sailors
1331
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,679
As such, there was no such thing
as a paid army in those days.
1332
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,200
You got paid when you were
at war and that was it.
1333
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,239
And we was at war with
France for over 100 years.
1334
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,559
So we was always
at war with France.
1335
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:09,840
That's just standard.
1336
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,199
Elizabeth the 1st,
the first she actually
1337
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,680
she allowed Sir
Francis Drake and so on
1338
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,760
to become pirates.
1339
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,279
They had these great big swords
and they had great big spears,
1340
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:23,519
you know, on their ships.
1341
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,319
And they had all these big fancy
weapons which on the battlefield
1342
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:28,680
would scare the hell out of you.
1343
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,680
But the Brits were well
known for always winning.
1344
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,640
And the reason why is
because Sir Francis Drake,
1345
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,240
he basically worked
out in his head, that,
1346
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,440
don't use big swords
don't use big spears
1347
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,280
just use knuckledusters
use small swords
1348
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:53,160
but teach every single man
on the ship how to fight.
1349
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,159
He had to know how to box.
1350
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,079
If their weapon fell on
the floor, they had to know
1351
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:02,839
how to get the guy, heatbutt him,
knock him out and do the business.
1352
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:03,840
Okay.
1353
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:10,080
Anyway, when these soldiers
all came back home,
1354
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,760
they didn't have anything to do because
you only got paid when you at were war.
1355
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:19,120
So basically the way they made their
money was by fighting in taverns.
1356
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:20,600
You know, the pubs
1357
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,360
They used to go into these pubs
1358
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,320
and they used to have to
fight for the money. Now,
1359
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,280
when the Civil War
happened, they realised
1360
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,800
that they were onto
something here.
1361
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,679
They made something
called the new model army.
1362
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,719
And that was the Royalists.
1363
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,640
And then you had the
parliamentarians.
1364
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,399
Now every single soldier had to
1365
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,600
learn how to fight
1366
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,440
if the weapon got dropped
on the battlefield
1367
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,799
if they dropped their
weapon, they had to learn.
1368
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,640
And it was called milling.
1369
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,999
And it was because
the old millers
1370
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,560
years and years ago,
they were tough blokes.
1371
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,960
And milling stayed with the Brits
in the British Army ever since.
1372
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,239
And what it was when these guys
1373
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,800
came out of the army, as I said, you
know, they had this big civil war.
1374
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,879
And at the end of the Civil War,
there was all these soldiers
1375
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:24,280
who every week were very
good at milling or boxing.
1376
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,119
And boxing never used
to be glove fighting.
1377
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,680
And it used to be bareknuckle
that was boxing, you know,
1378
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:37,199
these soldiers, when they came
out, they had nothing to do.
1379
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:41,479
And again, exactly the same
as in the Elizabethan times
1380
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:43,400
with Sir Francis Drake’s sailors
1381
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:45,199
You know,
1382
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,560
the country was at this time
it was absolutely adrift
1383
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,240
with ex soldiers,
1384
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,760
you know, parliamentarian
soldiers who milled.
1385
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,600
So they, in this time,
1386
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,480
it was different because
there were so many them.
1387
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,560
You got your champions and
you started getting you know,
1388
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,799
your super heroes and your
really well known guys.
1389
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:12,919
And before you knew it, you'd have
newspapers writing about certain
1390
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,360
bareknuckle fighters.
1391
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:22,279
When I was younger, I always used to
read about the old, bare knuckling days.
1392
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,599
You know, back then and
they’d fight for hours.
1393
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:26,799
But they were men of honor.
1394
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,039
You know what I mean,
they were gentlemen.
1395
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,520
And when they won,
1396
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,520
They used to have
a bit of cloth here
1397
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,520
Your man would take
the cloth away.
1398
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,120
It were his, that
was trophy in a way.
1399
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,879
I think Bob Fitzsimmons
comes into mind.
1400
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,000
I think he had maybe
about 106 fights
1401
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,440
and knocked, I think
half of them out.
1402
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,519
He was someone I always
read about and he were a
1403
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,160
gentlemen do you know what I mean all
them old type fighters were all gentlemen.
1404
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:58,400
But they would fight for hours.
1405
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:15,159
Yeah Andy Topliff, he was the first man to
bring bare knuckle boxing back, publicly
1406
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:16,800
since the late 1800s.
1407
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,559
He put a lot more rules in it
1408
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,839
Set it a lot more
safer should we say.
1409
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,880
A count to 20 If you
get knocked down.
1410
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,239
And he cared for the fighters,
and he thought about the fighters.
1411
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:28,680
He weren't there for the money.
1412
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,359
He thrived on the
sport like I did,
1413
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,800
He was very educated on
bare knuckle fighting
1414
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:04,000
The new middleweight, UK
champion, Dave Radford!
1415
01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:08,880
I first met Dave Radford
1416
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,479
It's quite an interesting
story actually.
1417
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:14,360
I'd heard of Dave Radford
through many, many years.
1418
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,560
Basically, he’d become a bit
of a legend to me, you know,
1419
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,080
I wanted to fight him when I was younger,
even though I didn't know the guy.
1420
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,399
He was the only
name I kept hearing.
1421
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:32,039
You know, who the f♪♪♪ is
this Dave Radford, you know?
1422
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,000
But the very first
time I met him
1423
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,600
It was Harry's bar, he
come up the lift and
1424
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:43,599
And as soon as I saw him, I saw these
big high cheekbones, big smile on him
1425
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:48,080
because he's got such a lovely smile
and what a gentleman he is, you know?
1426
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:49,279
Yeah, yeah.
1427
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,040
Hello my mate, you know, big
hand shake, you know it was
1428
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,080
it was a nice moment
for me anyway.
1429
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,039
And he said it was
for him as well.
1430
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,560
So when he fought James McCrory,
1431
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:08,759
he was like, Andy you know, make
sure you get me someone who’s
1432
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:13,199
good because I never can find
anyone you know, everyone I find
1433
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,799
I can just, I can knock
them out straight away.
1434
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,000
I want a proper fight, you know?
1435
01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:20,679
All right, then
I'll do as I can.
1436
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,800
Now, Dave Radford’s always
said, Andy, you're the one man
1437
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,120
who's always got me beat!
1438
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,680
He said, he said
1439
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,680
any other time,
he says, I'll win.
1440
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,160
He says but you,
is like me demon.
1441
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:39,439
You know, we have a laugh, you
know, because unfortunately,
1442
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:41,600
every time he’s stood on my
1443
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:45,039
my pit, he’s lost.
1444
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:46,519
But that's not the case,
1445
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:50,839
You know, don't get me wrong, Radford’s,
he's one of the hardest men I know.
1446
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,200
You know, he's a legend,
as far as I'm concerned.
1447
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:55,960
For bare knuckle, the
man can take pain.
1448
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,119
You know, I'm glad that
I didn't fight him.
1449
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:04,800
Quite frankly, because, my God, if
he's like that, when he's his age,
1450
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,199
God knows what he was like
when when he was a young man.
1451
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:09,200
You know what I mean...
1452
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:11,919
He took McCrory on
1453
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,480
I think, I think it was a bit of
an eye opener for him when he lost
1454
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,039
and it was actually,
it actually was his eye
1455
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,800
which did him
because unfortunately
1456
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,840
where McCrory was wearing wraps
1457
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,680
you know, bust his eye
1458
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:30,920
quite badly
1459
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:32,960
that's actually when he
1460
01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:37,200
you know, it got called
because his eye was that bad
1461
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,079
and he just went. I remember,
I felt so sorry for him
1462
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,320
and he just put his arm, hand up
1463
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,839
the guy and fortunately the guys who came
down with him, they couldn't believe it.
1464
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,960
You know, the guy
had never been beat.
1465
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,240
You know, it was a
shocker to us all.
1466
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:57,119
It was a shocker to me.
1467
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,439
I was shocked. I
felt, I felt for him.
1468
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:04,560
But we had a new champion, James
McCrory, you know, fair play, you know.
1469
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,920
But then, Radford
wanted it again
1470
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,600
And my God, did he perform?
1471
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:34,960
He didn’t get it, but thats life, but
he's still the legend and he still
1472
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,239
and this is how legends
are made you know.
1473
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,040
You don't have to win
to be a legend yet
1474
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,680
sometimes it's the,
the guy that loses
1475
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,480
maybe put a bit more
heart in, you know
1476
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:48,520
I mean, he
1477
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,080
S♪♪♪
1478
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,120
The second fight
he had with McCrory
1479
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,760
Never seen a fight like it,
never seen a fight like it.
1480
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,560
Wow. What a fight.
1481
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,200
If only I had a time machine.
1482
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:21,119
Yeah, I know.
1483
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,239
I know it were hard for you
1484
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,399
I never, ever wanted
you at my fights.
1485
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,520
But you said it were
harder being at home
1486
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,559
because you know, your
thinking as he fought yet as he
1487
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,640
going in, is he being hurt
and things like that, but,
1488
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:34,960
when you came
1489
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,000
I just said, well
you can come in
1490
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,160
I think, was it the last
3 fights you've been to?
1491
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:42,440
Yeah
1492
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,199
but you just didn’t want to see
1493
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:46,479
I didn't want to
see you in there.
1494
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:48,159
I didn't want you to
know you're in there.
1495
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,440
And I said you keep
out it way, but,
1496
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:52,480
How were it for
you, what did you
1497
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,320
I preferred to be there.
1498
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,120
I think it was really hard to sit at
home just waiting for a phone call.
1499
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:00,479
And if nobody rung.
1500
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:02,759
Oh, is it because
you've been hurt or?
1501
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,680
Yeah, I found that
very difficult.
1502
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:12,160
I know the extreme that he’d go to,
he will never give up in a fight.
1503
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,240
And he's just a true warrior.
1504
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,280
Me and Dave have been
together ten years
1505
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:31,520
this year.
1506
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:39,280
I think a lot of people don't
realise what a lovely kind man he is.
1507
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:42,719
But also I think
1508
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,720
people are pretty easy to judge
1509
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,440
when you hear, Oh, you’re
with a bare knuckler
1510
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:54,720
and this and think oh you
know, what sort of guy is he?
1511
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,080
But he's the most gentle,
loving man I've ever met.
1512
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:03,039
And it's took me a long
time to find a good man.
1513
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:04,880
And he certainly is one.
1514
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,240
This were back end of my career
my last gym should I say.
1515
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,280
Up here, in top of the Alpha.
1516
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,399
Brilliant set up, I had
1517
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,759
full boxing ring
in there, full size
1518
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:32,760
bags were there
1519
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,039
and we ended up running a
little amateur boxing club
1520
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,736
from here, and there were a few lads
in village that had a few fights.
1521
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,480
Which were good, but I did a
1522
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,759
hell of a lot of training for
my bare knuckle fights up here
1523
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,000
with Craig Smith.
1524
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,840
You know, my sparring with him,
do you know what I mean so,
1525
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,360
another place were I’ve shed a
lot of blood up here as well. But
1526
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,920
the best thing, best thing
what ever happened for me,
1527
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:55,840
was
1528
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,976
I’ve had a few good people at this
pub, do you know what I mean, I’ve had
1529
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,440
Roy Jones Junior
1530
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,920
Smokin’ Joe Frazier, I
mean that’s unbelievable
1531
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,879
One of my main men
to come here was
1532
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,840
Roberto Duran, he came here to open
the gym for me, do you know what I mean
1533
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,640
big Tim Witherspoon’s
been in here
1534
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:13,999
I’ve done a lot
with Tim Witherspoon
1535
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,480
It were nice, It were my
dad’s birthday the other week
1536
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,839
and Tim sent him a text
message, happy birthday, Terry.
1537
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,880
So that was, my dad was
1538
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,240
really chuffed with that
like, do you know what I mean.
1539
01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:59,640
Craig, how many times
1540
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,360
We’ve been up here and had
a decent session, you know
1541
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,040
How many times have you
busted my nose up here?
1542
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,679
Well it's, it weren't
1543
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,440
That was the problem with it, we did that
many rounds and if your nose weren’t bust
1544
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:13,679
You weren’t happy was you.
1545
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:14,919
I know that, yeah
1546
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:16,879
I had to break your nose
or bust your nose or
1547
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,136
knock your tooth out, otherwise
you weren’t happy were you?
1548
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,080
You don’t ever, have
to pay for that either.
1549
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:22,240
How much was it?
1550
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:24,160
I’m sure it was £1200
1551
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:26,919
I told ya!
1552
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,560
I remember it, that when
1553
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:31,759
you picked me up and you says
1554
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,960
you know, I’ll meet you
at 10:00am, picked me up
1555
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:35,560
You picked me up.
1556
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:37,680
I just had tooth
fitted day before.
1557
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,240
Anyway, goes down to
the top of King’s head.
1558
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:43,520
And I said, erm,
1559
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,599
Oh, jeez, I forgot my shield.
1560
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,079
I think I got one glove on,
I says I forgot gumshield
1561
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:53,440
He went, it's alright, we'll take it easy,
we'll take it easy, I bet it wasn’t 60 seconds
1562
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:55,879
His tooth was knocked out!
1563
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:56,359
Tooth out!
1564
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:56,840
It was!
1565
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:58,599
It was fantastic as well for me
1566
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,799
It was an honor for me to
be in there with you mate
1567
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,879
because I looked up to
you, you were my hero
1568
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,080
I followed you all the way
through from being a baby and
1569
01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:08,800
And it was just nice
for me to, learn.
1570
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:10,999
And I did, I had to learn or
1571
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:12,639
Otherwise it was hard work that.
1572
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,399
Yeah but we come on together.
1573
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,960
As I said, we did the sparring and
that and then it got to the stage where
1574
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,039
we could really have
a good go each other.
1575
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,040
Yeah, after you’d let
me hit you for 3 years.
1576
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:26,080
But I said, the thing is,
1577
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:27,640
after so long
1578
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,319
Id give you four or five
rounds, then I’d say right,
1579
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:32,599
You know, let's,
let's go up a bit.
1580
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,600
But we stepped it up and when we stepped
it up then, we, you know, it was bang on.
1581
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,840
And that's, how I've learned,
and that’s how you’ve learned.
1582
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,319
Getting ready for fights and
things like the bare knuckle,
1583
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:44,759
you know, the bare
knuckle fights,
1584
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:48,760
I couldn’t have done it without you because
just a phone call, you were there for a spar.
1585
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:50,999
And that's when I
needed that sparring
1586
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,960
and you know, I’d fight
at short notice and
1587
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,280
Yeah! That 2 weeks notice
1588
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:58,999
2 weeks notice!
1589
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,119
Then little did you know
1590
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,560
as time went down I got the bug
and all, so I got it as well.
1591
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:05,599
You give me the
bug, the disease.
1592
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,159
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
1593
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:09,039
It were good wasn’t it
1594
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,560
Yeah, but we, erm,
1595
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:12,920
Like I said, said we
1596
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:14,640
nobody would know
1597
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,120
like when we used to come up here, door
would be locked because nobody would
1598
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:19,479
nobody would come in
1599
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:22,919
we would walk out of here absolutely
smothered in blood and things like that.
1600
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:27,040
And people think what's going off
here, they did not know and it was just
1601
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:29,039
you’re hungry for the medicine.
1602
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,639
You know what I mean,
and thats how it is
1603
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:34,840
But we've had some good things
and we've been we've been to,
1604
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,280
you know, some good fights and watched
good fights and you’ve seen me fight
1605
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,599
And you ended up then
being my corner man
1606
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:41,640
Oh, dear.
1607
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,760
And then, which were good.
1608
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,639
The only thing I regret or were
every time I got back to the corner
1609
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,919
you’d smoother me with water
1610
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,359
you need water, you need water, it’s
good for your brain get some water
1611
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:53,999
You didn’t even want
to drink water did you?
1612
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:54,399
I know
1613
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,040
I never ever wanted
to drink water, no.
1614
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,079
Absolute legend this man.
1615
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:00,839
Fought Roberto Duran
back in the day.
1616
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,919
But I’ve got to say, what
a lovely, lovely bloke.
1617
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,559
Real gentleman.
1618
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,680
The man himself
there, James McCrory.
1619
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,160
James carrying his
belts in there.
1620
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,079
Two guys who are now close, a
hardened handshake, the hug.
1621
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:19,440
Two good guys there.
1622
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,480
Yeah when I fought James McCrory
1623
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,560
I break this here,
as well as this
1624
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,079
but you already know
at the time anyway
1625
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:31,719
All I’m hearing is
you shouting uppercut
1626
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,920
because that was the only thing I could
catch him with bang bang, with left hook.
1627
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:36,120
And it was working
1628
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,839
But everytime I was bringing
that uppercut I was thinking
1629
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,440
Arghhh, I’m thinking...
1630
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,279
don’t through an uppercut,
don’t through an uppercut.
1631
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:44,960
And all I could hear
was you shouting
1632
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,640
Uppercut, left hook, uppercut!
1633
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:48,840
But it’s so natural because
1634
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,760
It’s natural for you to shout,
you knew what I needed to do
1635
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:54,880
and what I needed to do, but
1636
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,319
Your hand was broke
1637
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,319
But you forget
about them things.
1638
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,480
Oh, suffering Jesus bang, bang.
1639
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,639
I kept thinking,
don’t throw it again.
1640
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,639
And you’re shouting,
and George is shouting
1641
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:05,159
you know, uppercut
1642
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:06,639
Why did you throw the uppercut?!
1643
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:08,439
And then we gets
back to the corner
1644
01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:10,479
and then I'm talking away
1645
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:13,200
and you’re sorting me out with
the cuts or whatever and I’m
1646
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:14,919
not, not
1647
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,360
saying anything about my hand but you can
see I look down at my hand and shake my hand
1648
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:20,520
halfway through the fight, but
1649
01:25:21,480 --> 01:25:23,639
It’d gone and
finished up I had to
1650
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:24,439
put my hand up
1651
01:25:24,440 --> 01:25:25,479
you know, I’d just can’t
1652
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:26,600
That was a war that...
1653
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,320
We’ve had many a good time up
here do you know what I mean.
1654
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,600
It made me a man.
You made me a man.
1655
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:59,919
But you must have
had it in you Craig.
1656
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:01,719
You must have had it in you.
1657
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:03,639
It’s same as myself, I’ve never
1658
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,639
never been into fight game when
I was younger and everything but
1659
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:10,839
there’s something in a man to be able to
do what I've done you know what I mean?
1660
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,479
Same with yourself, we’ve
1661
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:15,079
did gruesome sessions, do you
know what I mean, we’ve had.
1662
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,600
They were bad, they
were heavy sessions.
1663
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,399
And there were a
lot of blood spilt.
1664
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,720
And there was big, big
respect, big friends.
1665
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,439
And you when you look up to
somebody like I looked up to you,
1666
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:27,119
It was a privilege for me
to get in there with you.
1667
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:28,319
Yeah, that’s magic that.
1668
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,959
And share it mate, honest
it was like my birthday!
1669
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:31,960
Yeah, yeah.
1670
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:35,879
You had time for
me to start with.
1671
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,039
Yeah, because you
was helping me.
1672
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:38,799
Yeah, but I know,
1673
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:42,639
But then, it got to the stage
where you got a bit of a fix!
1674
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,239
That's what he were planning on
all along, just getting his fix.
1675
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,639
As usual getting hit,
that’s all he’d like to do.
1676
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,096
He’s not bothered about hitting anybody,
he doesn’t want to hurt anybody.
1677
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:51,160
He just likes getting hit!
1678
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,760
Hungry for the medicine.
1679
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,160
Roughly how many fights have you been to
Dave I mean, bloody hell, you’ve been to
1680
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,279
I’ve had 163 fights
1681
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:19,919
So you must have been
to hell of a lot because
1682
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:21,600
you started with me and
1683
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,319
You know, a long time back, how
many fights have you been to?
1684
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:29,079
I’ll tell you what right, I was averaging
a few years ago, we was at 100 to
1685
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,719
to 120 fights a season.
1686
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:32,119
Jeez.
1687
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:32,480
Like
1688
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:33,879
and how many fights have
1689
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,600
I've been to yours? I've been
to every fight you've ever had.
1690
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:37,520
Yeah.
1691
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,799
You know, I mean, so it's a hell
of a lot of fights, ain't it?
1692
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:41,479
That's the thing.
1693
01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:43,520
And it's like anything else,
1694
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,400
It's not that fight that
does the damage so much
1695
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,480
its the 163 fights
you've had previous.
1696
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,319
It all, fights
1697
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,479
When you're fighting year in, year
out, it catches up doesn’t it.
1698
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:57,079
It does yeah. I’m
you know, damaged me
1699
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:01,480
I'm damaged in them ways my
memories, memories terrible.
1700
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,080
But nar, 163 fights
1701
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,959
But you've got to account for as well
all the sparring that I’ve done for them.
1702
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:08,960
Oh, yeah.
1703
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,640
Maybe 8 or 9 rounds
a night sparring.
1704
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:12,479
Yeah.
1705
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:14,959
And that's without your
professional fights ain’t it.
1706
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,280
And that’s hell of a lot.
1707
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:18,400
Like I say, It just all adds up
1708
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,479
and it's a lot of
punishment ain’t it.
1709
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:20,999
Oh, definitely.
1710
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,000
A lot of punishment you
take over the years.
1711
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:24,520
And it’s like I've always said
1712
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,159
how good a man was five years
ago can be totally different
1713
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,359
five years later, it's
like a running dog.
1714
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,520
It can be fantastic.
The bee's knees.
1715
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,879
Five years later, it's a
different thing altogether.
1716
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,679
It's the same with a
fighting man, ain’t it.
1717
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,879
You've only got that set
time and that's it, aint it.
1718
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,800
You can stay too long
in the fight game.
1719
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:44,879
It’s same myself now
1720
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,000
I always say, I do a
little bit of training
1721
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:53,400
what I do, but to me I've always said which
is true, I've got a good 10 minutes in me
1722
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:54,920
But you've always to have that,
1723
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:56,639
always to have that, bit of
training with you because
1724
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,999
because if not my, my name
now with this fighting
1725
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,960
everybody wants to have a little
go do you know what I mean and
1726
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,119
You've done it there's
nothing to prove whatsoever.
1727
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:10,319
I told you this years ago and if you
remember I kept telling you to retire.
1728
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,999
Didn't I, because you've
fought some epic battles
1729
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,800
proper hectic battles.
1730
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,119
And out of all the fights
I've seen and I've seen
1731
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,880
some serious hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds of fights.
1732
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:22,599
You got to think
1733
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,600
I went to my first bare knuckle
fight when I was 11 years old.
1734
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:26,920
Right.
1735
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:31,800
And the most epic battle that stands
out without a shadow of a doubt
1736
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:36,640
when you and James Gypsy Boy
McCrory fought at the F club.
1737
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,879
That was one hell of a fight.
1738
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,040
And I'm in company of
a lot of fighting men.
1739
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:45,719
And a lot of men say that was
one hell of an epic battle.
1740
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:47,439
When you pay for
watching a fight,
1741
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:49,559
That's a fight you want to
watch, do you know what I mean?
1742
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,319
Let's face it, it's
20 years now gone by.
1743
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,799
We've been the closest of
friends now 20 years, right?
1744
01:29:55,800 --> 01:30:00,199
September 2005, when I
bought my man to fight you
1745
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:00,959
Yeah, yeah.
1746
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,839
And my man had beat so
many men at the time.
1747
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,039
Big lump of a man as well.
1748
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:06,280
A big lump of a man.
1749
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,999
And like I say with it, you
nearly killed my man at the end.
1750
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:10,759
Yeah, yeah.
1751
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:12,880
He told me, he
pulled up in the van
1752
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:14,759
he said to me, ‘is
he here Plattsy?’
1753
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,039
I said, ‘he's here.’
1754
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:17,599
He said, Dave, I'm
going to kill him.
1755
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,920
I’m gonna kill the b♪♪♪♪♪♪ he
says. Right, that was my man.
1756
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:23,640
And he didn't care whether he killed
you, took your life or what my man.
1757
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,440
And then, like I say with it,
1758
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:27,719
you fought it out
1759
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,160
and you done my man didn’t you.
1760
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,360
You have lived a
proper sporting life.
1761
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,560
You are the Napoleon
of Southern sports
1762
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,999
and it's been an honor to
be a good friend to you.
1763
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:41,599
Good man Dave.
1764
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:42,599
See you again my lad.
1765
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:43,359
Good luck, bye.
1766
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:44,999
At the next sporting event.
1767
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,000
Good man.
1768
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,520
Yeah, I've retired
now, erm, ish...
1769
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:07,280
I’ve moved from
1770
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,599
my job which was up north and
moved from the job down to
1771
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,040
Kent, so I’m working in
Kent for a long time now.
1772
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:17,040
So what I've done, I've
got this place in Aylesbury
1773
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:20,200
and it's a lovely
place, lovely pad.
1774
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,160
Yeah I miss, I miss the
fighting game, I mean
1775
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,879
but, I’ll be honest with
you, I don’t go to any shows.
1776
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:32,640
Because I’ll still be jumping
in, do you know what I mean, but,
1777
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:35,000
I do miss it, hell of a lot.
1778
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,279
But mainly now I’m
concentrating on my work,
1779
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:52,359
which I've always done. I
keep saying I’ve retired.
1780
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,439
There’s one or two people I’d like to
fight who can give me that good fight.
1781
01:31:56,440 --> 01:31:58,720
But it's having
that time off work.
1782
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,279
It's not the money, you know,
for the fighting and things.
1783
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,760
But I just, I do miss it.
1784
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:06,960
I do miss it.
1785
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,720
The new middleweight, UK
champion, Dave Radford!
1786
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,880
Someone shouted me the other
day, asking me to fight.
1787
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:20,879
And the money what
they offered me.
1788
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,800
I get in a month anyway at work.
1789
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,199
And so that doesn’t
interests me.
1790
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:26,759
And I don't fight for money.
1791
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:30,239
I fight for the enjoyment, It
sounds funny saying enjoyment.
1792
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,800
I like to have a good old scrap
1793
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,920
So that people will
talk about that
1794
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,639
If I knock him out first round
1795
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:39,479
It’s over and done with
1796
01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:40,439
Nobody really talks about it.
1797
01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:44,280
But if you have a brutal,
you know, good old scrap,
1798
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,559
then it's talked about for a long time
people will say, the second fight with
1799
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,719
James McCrory, brilliant fight.
1800
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:54,119
If I could fight again, I want
the exactly the same fight as that
1801
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:55,120
to happen.
1802
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:58,400
And that's what makes me want
to fight again still because
1803
01:32:59,480 --> 01:33:01,239
I think there’s another
couple of fights left in me.
1804
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:04,280
But it's having that
time off work and things
1805
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,159
I’m happy in a way with work
1806
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,760
but I’m like that with
the fighting game.
1807
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:38,880
My plans now for future is,
1808
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:43,600
you know, I've always been 100% with
work so I'm going to be happy with work
1809
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:44,639
I’ve a lot
1810
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,680
hell of a lot to do with
this place down here, we’ve
1811
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,080
we've done inside.
1812
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:52,000
And now there’s hell of a lot of work
to do on the outside, on the land.
1813
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,239
I've got some road
chippings over there.
1814
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:56,959
There's, there's only 60 tonnes.
1815
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,039
So I won't take me long
with the wheelbarrow.
1816
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:02,280
Trouble is that might get you fit and
you might want to come out of retirement.
1817
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:03,919
But then we've
1818
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,959
got erm, within next couple of years
we are planning a wedding aren’t we
1819
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:08,119
Yeah, yeah.
1820
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,199
We just got get a
date ready haven’t we.
1821
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:10,679
A date.
1822
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,480
And you've asked George
already to be your best man.
1823
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,040
George to be my best
man, the screaming skull.
1824
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,960
We did say we were just gonna
have a quiet wedding, but,
1825
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,880
you can’t have a quiet wedding
when you have a family like mine.
1826
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:39,320
I'm now going to ask you to think back
to the very start of this biography,
1827
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,280
to the question that was posed,
1828
01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:46,360
that being, who holds the power?
1829
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,400
Is it the beast or
is it the jailer?
1830
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:53,640
However,
1831
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,200
whoever holds the
power to hold the key
1832
01:34:57,960 --> 01:34:59,960
that will grant
the beast freedom
1833
01:35:01,480 --> 01:35:04,040
allowing it to rise, to manifest
1834
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:06,920
for one of two reasons...
1835
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,800
either in the defense of others,
1836
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,640
or to meet a mutual challenge.
1837
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:17,920
But be assured,
1838
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:21,800
this does not
signal the final act
1839
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:25,679
or the last page turned.
1840
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,080
There will be other
chapters to come.
1841
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:35,160
As with most things in life,
there is often a caveat,
1842
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:40,560
a disclaimer, and Dave
Radford holds one himself.
1843
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:47,400
One that is best said
using his very own words.
1844
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:50,800
Those words being.
1845
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,879
Please don't take my
kindness for a sign
1846
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,120
of weakness
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