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-You see, it was the oscars.
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People vote.
They say, "him," or, "her."
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Don't hand me any of that crap.
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In this, it isn't, "we vote,
and it's him and her."
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You either cross the finish line
first,
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And it's either him or her.
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-How do people in show business
regard his racing?
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-I'm not sure they know
he races. [laughs]
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-Technically, I mean,
he was really a good driver.
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-He wanted to be looked at
as a driver,
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Not as an academy award winner,
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But as a man who was involved
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With his heart and soul
in racing.
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-He loved the big cars.
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He loved the horsepower.
That was his thing.
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He just wanted to go fast.
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-Racing became his passion,
and he went for it.
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-Paul newman is going
to be the "c" production
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1979 national champ.
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The margin of victory --
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6.3 seconds
between first and second.
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-I was born in January of 1924.
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My brother came along 1 year,
3 days, and 10 hours later.
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We grew up in a suburb
of cleveland, shaker heights.
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We were very close.
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If somebody was picking on
my brother, I'd be there,
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And I can remember paul
stepping in on a couple
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Of occasions or more.
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Most of our friends had the use
of cars before paul and I did.
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Dad never felt that that was
an essential thing,
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Even when we went to college,
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We were in the service,
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Came back out of the
service.
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Did we have our own car?
No.
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-And there is the checkered flag
for 500 winner mario andretti.
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-I met paul newman in 1967.
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It was bridgehampton,
long island -- can-am race.
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I was driving this car
that was called "the honker,"
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And on race morning,
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There's a big "paul newman"
on front of the car.
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I saw paul newman is sponsoring.
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All of a sudden,
there's paul newman and joanne,
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And I was totally starstruck.
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Immediately, I invited him
to go in the cockpit,
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And he was very taken with
all the gadgets and everything.
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And then I took him for a ride.
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And bridgehampton is one
of those elevation tracks
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And narrow, blind corners.
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And, I mean,
it's really easy, sort of,
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To impress somebody quickly.
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And I noticed that, you know,
he was sort of white-knuckling.
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I, quite honestly, think
that captured his imagination.
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-In 1968, I was cast with paul
to do this film, "winning."
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-All I want from you is to come
in first.
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-Both of us?
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-They wanted to have us be able
to drive on the tracks
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With cameras mounted on the cars
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So it looked like
we were really involved.
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-He's in trouble.
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He seems to be out of gas
and heads for the pits.
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-And in order to do that,
we both had to be race drivers.
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We had to learn
how to drive automobiles.
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So we were sent
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To the bob bondurant
school of driving.
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I'm bob bondurant here at sears
point international raceway
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And the bondurant school.
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-Well, the studio called me
and said they were gonna
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Make this really good
movie -- racing movie.
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So paul and robert
came down to the school.
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I said, "so, paul, how come
you wanted to do this movie?"
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He said, "I had two other movies
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I could make
a lot more money on,
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But I always wanted to see
if I could drive a race car."
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-When he heard
about the bondurant school,
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He was eager to jump into it.
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-You know, one
of the greatest rewards
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About having my own driving
school is being able to teach
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Other people how to learn
to drive better.
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-I think it was always
inside him somewhere, you know?
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When he got involved
in something,
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He really turned it over.
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He really investigated it.
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He looked at every aspect of it.
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And every aspect, I think,
that he looked at in the world
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Of racing was something
that attracted him.
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-And I took paul with me
and teach how to do an oval,
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Taught him the line,
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And then he went a little
quicker and quicker and quicker.
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And he learned real well.
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He listened really well.
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-He stayed out particularly
late.
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He kept going.
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You know, I'd get out of the car
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And be happy to get
out of the car,
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But paul, he really loved it.
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Got the look
of eagles in his eyes.
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I could see it.
I could see him starting.
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-And when he came
out of that picture,
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That was a permanent lifetime
passion of his,
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And it never diminished.
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-"winning" was just completed
when we did "butch cassidy."
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-Listen, I don't mean
to be a sore loser, but,
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Uh, when it's done,
if I'm dead, kill him.
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-Love to.
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-I first met him in a way
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That probably made
indelible our friendship,
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Or at least my devotion to him,
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Because they were casting
the film,
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"butch cassidy
and the sundance kid."
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He was already cast.
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He was a well-known name.
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I was being approached
to play butch cassidy.
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The original title
of the film was
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"the sundance kid
and butch cassidy"
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'cause paul was gonna play
sundance.
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The studio said no,
I wasn't enough of a name.
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It seemed to center on the fact
of paul's approval.
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I had never met him,
so we went to meet him.
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And after that meeting, paul
just said, "I'll go with it.
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I'll go with redford."
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-Well, that ought to do it.
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-In the course
of making the film,
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We discovered that we had a lot
in common,
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And we developed a friendship
that was
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Not unlike the two characters
in the film.
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-I'll jump first.
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-No.
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-Then you jump first.
-No, I said.
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-What's the matter with you?!
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-I can't swim!
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-[ laughs ]
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-Why, you crazy, the fall
will probably kill ya.
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-Ohhhhhhh!
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Oh, shi-I-I-I-I-I-I-t!
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He would drive souped-up cars --
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Volkswagen all jacked up --
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But there were no racing cars
involved.
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I had racing cars because
I'd been a lover of racing
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Since I was about 15.
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When paul and I met,
by that time,
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I had acquired a very special
racing car called a porsche 904.
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It was built for sebring.
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So that was the car I had
when we made "butch cassidy."
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I knew of his love of cars
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And so forth, so I said,
"you want to drive it?"
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He took it to hand right away,
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And it was pretty clear
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That he had a natural ability
with the car.
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When we saw each other again,
he was racing.
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He had gone to this school,
graduated.
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-You started the whole thing,
bondurant,
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Whether you know it or not.
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I mean,
I remember with some trepidation
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The first time I went
from a two-liter datsun sedan
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Into a formula vee.
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-And it was
right out of the box,
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And no one
had checked camber or anything,
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And the car just lurched
from one side of
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The corner to the other,
and I thought, "boy,
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If this is a racer,
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I don't want to have
an awful lot to do with it."
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-He went on to the racing world.
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That's what he really
wanted to do.
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You could tell that this was
a big, big thing in his life.
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-The studios didn't want
him doing that.
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If something happened to him,
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It would involve
a great financial problem.
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-He meant so much to a movie.
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I mean, if you get paul newman
to do a picture, I mean,
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That was hundreds of millions
of dollars in profits for them.
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-And I dreamed about this game,
fat man.
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I dreamed about this game
every night on the road.
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-I mean, they think of paul.
"geez,
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What is he doing in a racer.
Is he crazy?
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Let him do it for a couple
of times,
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Then we'll take him out of it."
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You know, that's their attitude.
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-In 1971, I was at lime rock
on a Tuesday testing,
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And it was not unusual
for jim haynes,
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Who owned the track, to say,
"would you take so and so
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From the hartford courant,
the norwalk hour,
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The stamford advocate,"
one of the newspapers,
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"around for a couple laps?"
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So I said, "sure.
Send him over."
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It was paul, in blue jeans
and sunglasses, and his son.
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I didn't recognize him.
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He didn't look like a plastic,
hollywood guy to me.
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So I took them both around
for a couple laps,
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And somebody said, "that was
paul newman, wasn't it?"
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I said, "it was
paul something or other."
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-Well, and there was a place
called bob sharp datsun.
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So, that was sort of one
of those legendary places.
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"bob sharp?"
you know, I'd go visit him.
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I'd go, "my god,
that's bob sharp."
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I'd watch it like the beatles
were performing there,
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And that's who he raced for.
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-He was 48 years old
when he started racing,
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When most people are retiring.
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-Hi. I'm sam posey.
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I used to drive cars
like this for a living.
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It's been 17 years now
since I started racing.
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And, recently,
I've tapered off a bit.
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After all, racing's supposed
to be a young man's game.
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-We met right here
when he was first starting out.
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He'd made the movie "winning"
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And kind of fallen in love
with racing.
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I sort of made friends with him
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And tried to help him
with his driving.
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He was terrible at first.
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-At the beginning, I mean, he
was not very successful at all.
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You know, he wasn't too quick.
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He was just taking it all in,
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Easy, easy, easy,
and practicing.
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-He knew how major the skills
and knowledge
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That was necessary
to drive those racing cars.
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-He was very sensitive that he
wanted to learn the craft
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Of racing cars.
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He knew
that it's very, very difficult
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With celebrities
who are very professional,
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They're used to being a winner,
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And in racing,
how do you win the next month?
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You got to pay your dues.
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But I said, "paul,
you will be a better driver
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If you race an underpowered car
for a year or two.
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You will learn
to not scuff off speed.
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If you screw up, you want
to know, 'don't do that again.'"
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-He sensibly got a datsun 510,
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A small, boxy car.
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-And he wasn't racing ferraris,
and he wasn't racing m--
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He was racing datsuns.
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It was something
the average guy could aspire to.
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He didn't live at the top
of the food chain with the cars.
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He started at the middle or,
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As some would say,
even lower level
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And earned the respect
of the average guy.
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-He would come on tuesdays when
the track was open for practice.
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So there'd be other cars
on the track,
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But he would make a lot of laps.
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-You're always competing
with yourself.
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You're trying to bring a little
extra to your performance.
243
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The objective is just
to get the car through each turn
244
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As fast as it can possibly go.
245
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For some drivers,
I think that's intuitive.
246
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I kind of see
that they're pantsing.
247
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My own approach has just been
to work up to the limit
248
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A step at a time.
249
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-He slowly just chipped
away at it.
250
00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,739
He would pound around
at lime rock,
251
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Just pound around,
pound around, pound around,
252
00:14:04,244 --> 00:14:07,478
And just, he got better
and better and better.
253
00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,947
-When I started out in racing,
254
00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:10,748
I knew that the guys
were saying, "oh,
255
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Balloon foot out there."
256
00:14:12,252 --> 00:14:15,086
I said, "well,
that's their problem," 'cause
257
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I'm a slow study, and I know
it's gonna take me a long time.
258
00:14:17,390 --> 00:14:20,091
But you can't quit simply
because they're laughing at ya.
259
00:14:20,093 --> 00:14:23,228
And one thing that you learn
in acting is to go out there
260
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In order to do it right,
you have to do it wrong.
261
00:14:27,868 --> 00:14:30,368
And the same things
is true in racing.
262
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I crashed the car 'cause I
was just too eager, that's all.
263
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I knew, you know,
264
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That you've got
to drive your own race.
265
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Can't drive somebody else's.
266
00:14:47,888 --> 00:14:52,223
So I got sucked
into that and made a mistake.
267
00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:57,028
-Paul knew the importance
of learning a skill
268
00:14:57,030 --> 00:15:02,000
Just as the importance
of learning the skill of acting.
269
00:15:02,002 --> 00:15:04,969
-He was not good when he
started, and he admits that.
270
00:15:04,971 --> 00:15:07,772
But as he worked and developed
and worked and developed,
271
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He became a very good actor.
272
00:15:08,842 --> 00:15:10,341
-Now, you look here.
273
00:15:10,343 --> 00:15:13,244
You've had 24 of my 34 years
working for you on this ranch,
274
00:15:13,246 --> 00:15:16,347
And, daddy, you
have had top-grade cheap labor.
275
00:15:16,349 --> 00:15:18,816
-But it took a while
to realize that that was not
276
00:15:18,818 --> 00:15:20,685
His "a"-one passion.
277
00:15:20,687 --> 00:15:23,187
It was really cars -- racing.
278
00:15:23,189 --> 00:15:27,625
So when he realized that,
he went at it hammer and tongs.
279
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I mean, he went at it fully.
280
00:15:30,163 --> 00:15:34,732
-Well, he approached it a bit
like, in a way, in his acting.
281
00:15:34,734 --> 00:15:37,835
-We got a racehorse here,
a thoroughbred.
282
00:15:37,837 --> 00:15:40,271
You make him feel good.
I teach him how to run.
283
00:15:40,273 --> 00:15:43,474
-When he got a part, he really
investigated the character
284
00:15:43,476 --> 00:15:46,844
And investigated where he
was gonna go with it and the arc
285
00:15:46,846 --> 00:15:47,845
That he was gonna take.
286
00:15:47,847 --> 00:15:49,147
-You're talking about a guy
287
00:15:49,149 --> 00:15:50,748
Who'd kill a grifter
over a chunk of money
288
00:15:50,750 --> 00:15:52,984
Wouldn't support him
for two days.
289
00:15:52,986 --> 00:15:57,288
-He obviously used some of that
in approaching the racing.
290
00:15:57,290 --> 00:15:59,324
-At one point,
he said to me, "you know,
291
00:15:59,326 --> 00:16:02,994
I'm acting out the role
of a racing driver."
292
00:16:05,097 --> 00:16:07,498
-That's the lovely part
about being an actor
293
00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:11,102
Is that you get to assume a lot
of different personalities.
294
00:16:11,104 --> 00:16:15,106
And a lot of those personality
traits stick.
295
00:16:15,108 --> 00:16:17,108
I look at that, and I say,
"gee, there's a little bit
296
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:21,846
Of hud in there
or fast eddie felson."
297
00:16:21,848 --> 00:16:25,917
-Acting is
an enormously disciplined thing
298
00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:29,120
To do in terms of work,
of preparation,
299
00:16:29,122 --> 00:16:32,724
And paul is extreme
about preparation for any film,
300
00:16:32,726 --> 00:16:34,792
Whether he's acting
or directing.
301
00:16:34,794 --> 00:16:37,395
And I think all of that kind
of preparation
302
00:16:37,397 --> 00:16:40,164
Lends itself to the work
that you have to do as a racer,
303
00:16:40,166 --> 00:16:43,301
That you can't just leap
into the car and start driving.
304
00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:51,576
-Paul and joanne could walk
from our motor home,
305
00:16:51,578 --> 00:16:53,277
Two blocks to the false grid
306
00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:55,747
With movie people
with a motorized bottom
307
00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:57,515
Taking 200 hundred pictures,
308
00:16:57,517 --> 00:17:00,184
And I think
he was oblivious to that.
309
00:17:00,186 --> 00:17:04,856
He had an ability not let
those kinds of things upset him,
310
00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:07,158
And I think
the movie concentration
311
00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,262
Helped his racing concentration.
312
00:17:11,264 --> 00:17:15,299
-Really be able to know
that you can discard
313
00:17:15,301 --> 00:17:19,871
All the extraneous stimuli
and depend on the one focus
314
00:17:19,873 --> 00:17:21,773
That you want to focus on.
315
00:17:21,775 --> 00:17:23,274
And when you
really accomplish it,
316
00:17:23,276 --> 00:17:26,477
I think you just
feel really good about it.
317
00:17:31,483 --> 00:17:34,018
-For about 24 years,
I had a place in connecticut,
318
00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:37,055
Westport, just about a mile
from where he was.
319
00:17:37,057 --> 00:17:39,023
And it was then
that he was racing up lime rock.
320
00:17:39,025 --> 00:17:40,324
He'd been with sharp.
321
00:17:40,326 --> 00:17:42,927
So he said, "why don't you
come up?"
322
00:17:42,929 --> 00:17:44,462
So I went up there
and got on the track.
323
00:17:44,464 --> 00:17:48,666
I whipped around about five
or six times.
324
00:17:48,668 --> 00:17:50,134
But he jumps in and zips around
325
00:17:50,136 --> 00:17:53,371
In about half the time
that I did.
326
00:17:53,373 --> 00:17:56,340
When I saw that, that's
when I first saw paul race,
327
00:17:56,342 --> 00:17:58,276
And I said, "whoa.
He's really good."
328
00:17:58,278 --> 00:18:02,547
-I think you pick up 300 rpm
from where I look at it.
329
00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:07,185
He became so boring, because
that's all he'd talk about.
330
00:18:07,187 --> 00:18:08,920
I'd go to talk to him.
I'd say, "so, how you doing?"
331
00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:10,088
"well, let me tell you
about the car..."
332
00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:13,658
It started to drive me crazy.
333
00:18:18,330 --> 00:18:21,032
-The runoffs would be
all the factory teams
334
00:18:21,034 --> 00:18:23,601
Competing against each other.
335
00:18:25,737 --> 00:18:27,572
Paul was driving
tullius' triumph
336
00:18:27,574 --> 00:18:31,142
Against jim fitzgerald
in the "d" production category
337
00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:35,213
At the 1976 scca runoffs
at road atlanta.
338
00:18:35,215 --> 00:18:36,581
Fitzy ended up breaking the car,
339
00:18:36,583 --> 00:18:40,651
Giving paul his firs
scca national championship.
340
00:18:40,653 --> 00:18:43,888
But I think paul wanted
the thrill of beating a guy,
341
00:18:43,890 --> 00:18:46,591
Not winning a race artificially.
342
00:18:53,398 --> 00:18:58,035
Paul would love to have been
a football quarterback.
343
00:18:58,037 --> 00:19:02,306
Did paul look 6'4,
200 pounds with muscles?
344
00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:06,978
Was he really 5'91"
and 155 pounds?
345
00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:09,147
And if you have some
of those ingredients
346
00:19:09,149 --> 00:19:10,882
Of spacial relations,
347
00:19:10,884 --> 00:19:12,884
A burn in your belly
to want to win,
348
00:19:12,886 --> 00:19:14,552
And the discipline
to pull it off,
349
00:19:14,554 --> 00:19:18,222
You've got an advantage
over the football player.
350
00:19:18,224 --> 00:19:20,224
-I always wanted to be a jock.
351
00:19:20,226 --> 00:19:25,029
I skied and boxed
and played football badly.
352
00:19:25,031 --> 00:19:27,331
I had no physical grace.
353
00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:31,669
The only thing that I ever found
any grace in was an automobile.
354
00:19:44,383 --> 00:19:46,817
-He was always searching
to be better --
355
00:19:46,819 --> 00:19:50,821
A better person,
a better actor, better driver.
356
00:19:50,823 --> 00:19:52,056
That was just his nature.
357
00:19:52,058 --> 00:19:53,191
That's where I think the ego
358
00:19:53,193 --> 00:19:56,027
And the competitor came
into him.
359
00:19:56,029 --> 00:19:58,095
-I can't be competitive
as an actor.
360
00:19:58,097 --> 00:19:59,330
One guy is playing uncle willy.
361
00:19:59,332 --> 00:20:01,432
The other guy is playing hamlet.
362
00:20:01,434 --> 00:20:05,203
So how do you say
which performance is best?
363
00:20:05,205 --> 00:20:07,004
In a car, it's very simple.
364
00:20:07,006 --> 00:20:09,540
It's down to a thousandth
of a second.
365
00:20:11,076 --> 00:20:13,144
-Anyone that's a racing winner
366
00:20:13,146 --> 00:20:14,712
Has an ego
to want to be a winner,
367
00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:16,214
And so did paul.
368
00:20:16,216 --> 00:20:18,316
-Paul has a saying I'm sure
you've heard, where he says,
369
00:20:18,318 --> 00:20:21,118
"winning isn't everything.
It's just all there is."
370
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:22,987
I don't know
who the quote is from,
371
00:20:22,989 --> 00:20:26,157
But it certainly applies to him.
372
00:20:26,159 --> 00:20:28,626
-Actors have the same stigma
that rich guys have.
373
00:20:28,628 --> 00:20:30,695
You know, "here comes
so and so with his trailer,
374
00:20:30,697 --> 00:20:33,197
And he's got his fancy leathers
and so and so.
375
00:20:33,199 --> 00:20:34,865
Let's see how good he is."
376
00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:37,268
So I think there was a tendency
377
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:41,906
To write him off as an actor
trying to do our job.
378
00:20:41,908 --> 00:20:44,809
-Oh, I don't care if they're
a movie star or a writer
379
00:20:44,811 --> 00:20:46,510
Or a movie producer.
380
00:20:46,512 --> 00:20:48,212
You don't want
to lose to somebody
381
00:20:48,214 --> 00:20:51,882
That you feel
that you've devoted more energy
382
00:20:51,884 --> 00:20:53,251
Into it than they did.
383
00:20:53,253 --> 00:20:56,020
-The guys want to beat
a paul newman twice as bad
384
00:20:56,022 --> 00:20:58,389
As they want to beat
joe luce scooch.
385
00:20:58,391 --> 00:21:01,259
So I think, you know, you got
a big bull's-eye on your back.
386
00:21:01,261 --> 00:21:04,095
"oh, I want to get that guy."
387
00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:07,198
-If you race with somebody
like paul newman,
388
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,333
You want to beat them,
because you figure
389
00:21:09,335 --> 00:21:11,068
They've been lucky enough.
390
00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:12,870
[ laughs ]
391
00:21:18,477 --> 00:21:23,114
-His presence at a track
would guarantee a large crowd.
392
00:21:23,116 --> 00:21:24,515
If you could see
the number of people
393
00:21:24,517 --> 00:21:27,318
That turned up from the press,
from new york,
394
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,921
From the big papers,
and so forth.
395
00:21:30,923 --> 00:21:32,890
He tried to have his privacy.
396
00:21:32,892 --> 00:21:34,292
He'd have a motor home
397
00:21:34,294 --> 00:21:38,129
And go in the back
before the race to cool down.
398
00:21:38,131 --> 00:21:40,197
-Paul loved his privacy.
399
00:21:40,199 --> 00:21:42,667
We held the spectators
off enough
400
00:21:42,669 --> 00:21:44,302
That they still got to see paul
401
00:21:44,304 --> 00:21:47,171
And they got a press kit
or something like that,
402
00:21:47,173 --> 00:21:50,074
Maybe, without abusing paul.
403
00:21:50,076 --> 00:21:51,475
[ camera shutter snaps ]
404
00:21:51,477 --> 00:21:54,712
And I would get him,
like, Friday afternoon at 3:00
405
00:21:54,714 --> 00:21:55,613
For 15 minutes.
406
00:21:55,615 --> 00:21:56,881
And then I would go to the media
407
00:21:56,883 --> 00:22:00,151
And say, "if you ask him
racing questions --
408
00:22:00,153 --> 00:22:02,053
He loves to talk racing.
We're racers.
409
00:22:02,055 --> 00:22:03,788
He'll talk racing
for the next hour.
410
00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:05,956
If you want to know
'what's joanne's next movie?',
411
00:22:05,958 --> 00:22:09,060
He's gonna have to go talk to
the crew chief pretty quickly.
412
00:22:09,062 --> 00:22:12,663
-He was really
the real paul newman
413
00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:16,133
When he was around people
that he really cared for
414
00:22:16,135 --> 00:22:17,702
And he was relaxed.
415
00:22:17,704 --> 00:22:20,071
-Except for your race, the only
good thing was the bratwurst.
416
00:22:20,073 --> 00:22:21,238
-[ laughs ]
417
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,374
-I think that paul
was approachable,
418
00:22:23,376 --> 00:22:27,878
But he was very discerning
on where he gave his time
419
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,213
And what he did,
420
00:22:29,215 --> 00:22:31,749
Because he was concentrating
on something else.
421
00:22:31,751 --> 00:22:33,484
I mean, driving.
422
00:22:33,486 --> 00:22:35,086
Does he want to have
somebody come up
423
00:22:35,088 --> 00:22:36,287
And stick a piece of paper
in his face
424
00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:37,488
And say, "sign the autograph"?
425
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:39,190
No. That would get him
a little hot.
426
00:22:39,192 --> 00:22:40,558
It got me a little hot, too.
427
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,761
-He was so adored, I think,
all over the planet
428
00:22:43,763 --> 00:22:48,399
That he just like to be
like a regular guy.
429
00:22:48,401 --> 00:22:50,368
-He was in popular movies
430
00:22:50,370 --> 00:22:53,404
But was also kind
of an outsider.
431
00:22:53,406 --> 00:22:54,805
He stayed in the trailer.
432
00:22:54,807 --> 00:22:57,274
He didn't want to stay in the,
you know, the plaza,
433
00:22:57,276 --> 00:22:59,410
And a limo didn't take him
to his car.
434
00:22:59,412 --> 00:23:03,314
You know, he was just a guy.
435
00:23:03,316 --> 00:23:04,648
-Well, I think
he liked the camaraderie,
436
00:23:04,650 --> 00:23:06,717
And I think the fellowship
of that relationship
437
00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:08,619
With the fellow drivers --
there's nothing like it.
438
00:23:08,621 --> 00:23:12,857
It's not anything you can have
in hollywood at all.
439
00:23:12,859 --> 00:23:14,492
-He loved joking around,
440
00:23:14,494 --> 00:23:16,827
He loved companionship,
and you can see that,
441
00:23:16,829 --> 00:23:20,297
But he probably shifted
from the film world
442
00:23:20,299 --> 00:23:21,699
Into the racing world.
443
00:23:21,701 --> 00:23:25,469
You can see that he adopted
a lot of friendships.
444
00:23:26,872 --> 00:23:31,342
-Fitzy, of course, was like
almost a mascot for our team.
445
00:23:31,344 --> 00:23:33,677
Just the most personable guy.
446
00:23:33,679 --> 00:23:36,080
-Hi, sam. How are ya?
-So, congratulations.
447
00:23:36,082 --> 00:23:37,882
How was it?
448
00:23:37,884 --> 00:23:39,316
-Nice.
[ laughter ]
449
00:23:39,318 --> 00:23:41,552
-He was a very,
very good driver.
450
00:23:41,554 --> 00:23:45,956
-He was a gentleman p.R. Guy
for auto racing,
451
00:23:45,958 --> 00:23:49,260
And he was the chief instructor
at road atlanta, a great guy.
452
00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:51,028
Everyone loved him.
453
00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:53,164
"teddy bear" jim fitzgerald.
454
00:23:53,166 --> 00:23:54,398
He befriended joanne.
455
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,233
They were both a little bit
southern.
456
00:23:56,235 --> 00:23:57,935
They got along very, very well,
457
00:23:57,937 --> 00:23:59,770
And he befriended paul.
458
00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:02,907
-He even likes to let
everybody think he's 60.
459
00:24:02,909 --> 00:24:04,442
He's really 50.
460
00:24:04,444 --> 00:24:08,179
And everybody thinks I'm 50,
and I'm really...40.
461
00:24:08,181 --> 00:24:10,514
[ laughs ]
no, I'm not.
462
00:24:10,516 --> 00:24:13,584
-It's nice to have a teammate
463
00:24:13,586 --> 00:24:15,219
Who, at the beginning
of the year,
464
00:24:15,221 --> 00:24:17,254
Was given a certificate
to forest lawn
465
00:24:17,256 --> 00:24:19,657
The same way that I was.
466
00:24:19,659 --> 00:24:22,493
That was on behalf
of the younger drivers.
467
00:24:22,495 --> 00:24:25,229
They've also offered
to buy us teeth
468
00:24:25,231 --> 00:24:28,098
When we needed them
and polident --
469
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:30,267
A year supply of polident --
470
00:24:30,269 --> 00:24:33,571
And that special stuff
471
00:24:33,573 --> 00:24:37,007
That you glue your hair on with.
472
00:24:37,009 --> 00:24:38,876
But, by the same token,
473
00:24:38,878 --> 00:24:42,413
A lot of those kids
have got diaper rash.
474
00:24:42,415 --> 00:24:44,849
-Fitzgerald loved him
as a buddy.
475
00:24:44,851 --> 00:24:46,617
I think they were good friends.
476
00:24:46,619 --> 00:24:50,688
Paul tried to get jim a little,
tiny spot in a movie one time,
477
00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:53,591
And paul had ended up putting
the words across his chest so
478
00:24:53,593 --> 00:24:57,361
Jim would get them right on
about the 12th take, you know?
479
00:24:57,363 --> 00:24:58,496
-We don't have to race.
480
00:24:58,498 --> 00:25:00,364
It's fun being with him
481
00:25:00,366 --> 00:25:03,067
Just as a friend
or visiting or palling around,
482
00:25:03,069 --> 00:25:05,603
But to race in addition,
483
00:25:05,605 --> 00:25:07,571
I couldn't ask for anything
nicer.
484
00:25:07,573 --> 00:25:09,440
-It's terrific on two counts.
485
00:25:09,442 --> 00:25:11,675
I count him as a friend,
for one thing,
486
00:25:11,677 --> 00:25:18,382
And we drive very much the same
and we don't have to apologize
487
00:25:18,384 --> 00:25:19,917
To those young kids out there --
yet.
488
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:23,053
Deceit and treachery
will always triumph over youth
489
00:25:23,055 --> 00:25:25,122
And good intentions anyways.
490
00:25:26,925 --> 00:25:31,629
-There is no sport
more exciting than racing.
491
00:25:31,631 --> 00:25:34,298
This is the next best thing
to heaven.
492
00:25:39,504 --> 00:25:41,539
-They had never seen it before.
493
00:25:41,541 --> 00:25:46,076
A black driver this fast,
this competitive?
494
00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:48,112
They weren't ready for that.
495
00:25:52,984 --> 00:25:54,585
-It wasn't easy.
496
00:25:54,587 --> 00:25:57,555
It was real tough
to find support.
497
00:25:57,557 --> 00:26:01,425
You could feel, in a lot
of respects, the animosity.
498
00:26:01,427 --> 00:26:03,761
I was on a mission
to head up that ladder
499
00:26:03,763 --> 00:26:06,163
To the top of the sport,
500
00:26:06,165 --> 00:26:09,700
Which, for me, was indycar.
501
00:26:09,702 --> 00:26:11,268
-...To the outside
retaining wall
502
00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:14,238
As he heads
down the 1,730-foot...
503
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,574
-I first met paul in the pits,
504
00:26:16,576 --> 00:26:19,843
And it was brief,
but he was paying attention.
505
00:26:19,845 --> 00:26:22,880
And he said, "keep
up the good work."
506
00:26:24,783 --> 00:26:27,051
I wasn't a paid driver
to that point.
507
00:26:27,053 --> 00:26:30,821
I was getting paid a percentage
of the prize money,
508
00:26:30,823 --> 00:26:35,426
But I wasn't receiving
a monthly check.
509
00:26:35,428 --> 00:26:36,760
It was hard.
510
00:26:36,762 --> 00:26:39,196
I didn't have the money
to buy my own racer
511
00:26:39,198 --> 00:26:40,464
Or own my own team,
512
00:26:40,466 --> 00:26:43,300
So I would do about five
or six races a year
513
00:26:43,302 --> 00:26:46,270
Until I got the call --
514
00:26:46,272 --> 00:26:48,772
Until I got the big call.
515
00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:53,477
It was the day
before thanksgiving
516
00:26:53,479 --> 00:26:56,146
That I got the car from p.L.
517
00:26:56,148 --> 00:26:57,848
Said, "hey, kid,
518
00:26:57,850 --> 00:27:00,751
I think I've got a deal for you
if you want it.
519
00:27:00,753 --> 00:27:03,988
Trans-am team is going
to call you tomorrow.
520
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:05,255
I recommended you.
521
00:27:05,257 --> 00:27:09,326
If there's any problems,
call me."
522
00:27:09,328 --> 00:27:12,363
And it changed everything.
523
00:27:12,365 --> 00:27:16,166
When paul got me that deal,
524
00:27:16,168 --> 00:27:19,637
I was a paid race driver.
525
00:27:19,639 --> 00:27:21,905
Not only did he get me a job,
526
00:27:21,907 --> 00:27:23,641
He got me in one
of the best teams --
527
00:27:23,643 --> 00:27:24,942
If not the best team --
528
00:27:24,944 --> 00:27:28,879
In the championship,
competing against him.
529
00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:32,383
In my first year,
I won 5 out of 11 races,
530
00:27:32,385 --> 00:27:34,551
And I was rookie of the year.
531
00:27:34,553 --> 00:27:38,389
And then in '85,
I won damn near all of them.
532
00:27:38,391 --> 00:27:41,158
[ cheers and applause ]
533
00:27:52,604 --> 00:27:54,905
-Emerson fittipaldi...
534
00:27:56,808 --> 00:28:03,213
A.J. Foyt, willy t. Ribbs
staring into history.
535
00:28:03,215 --> 00:28:09,853
-For me and my career,
newman was, without question,
536
00:28:09,855 --> 00:28:15,659
One of the most important people
of them all.
537
00:28:15,661 --> 00:28:17,094
-Ribbs made history,
538
00:28:17,096 --> 00:28:20,597
Becoming the first black driver
to tour the circuit.
539
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:21,932
-If it wasn't for him,
540
00:28:21,934 --> 00:28:24,702
I would've never
been a professional.
541
00:28:24,704 --> 00:28:28,939
I would've never been in indycar
and in the indy 500.
542
00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:38,282
It was...
543
00:28:51,629 --> 00:28:53,697
-He was very private man.
544
00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:55,733
So the last thing
you would ever think
545
00:28:55,735 --> 00:28:58,202
That he's a practical joker.
546
00:29:00,538 --> 00:29:02,740
-What are your plans
for next year?
547
00:29:02,742 --> 00:29:07,077
-Well, I'm doing some
porno flicks out in new mexico.
548
00:29:10,315 --> 00:29:12,416
You know, I need a nurse.
549
00:29:12,418 --> 00:29:13,884
-A nurse?
550
00:29:13,886 --> 00:29:18,589
-Hey, sal, come on in here.
You need to be a nurse.
551
00:29:18,591 --> 00:29:20,924
-Aah!
[ laughter ]
552
00:29:24,529 --> 00:29:25,896
[ laughter ]
553
00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:29,032
-He called me one day,
and he said,
554
00:29:29,034 --> 00:29:34,104
"this is david stern
from the national enquirer.
555
00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:38,509
We've been informed
that you been bunging iguanas
556
00:29:38,511 --> 00:29:40,177
On a denver street corner."
557
00:29:40,179 --> 00:29:44,281
I said, "well, iguanas
don't get that far north.
558
00:29:44,283 --> 00:29:45,516
They end in arizona.
559
00:29:45,518 --> 00:29:46,683
They're not getting up
into colorado.
560
00:29:46,685 --> 00:29:48,085
It's too cold."
561
00:29:48,087 --> 00:29:51,555
And he started laughing.
He said, "you busted me, kid."
562
00:29:51,557 --> 00:29:56,760
-I had this hat
that I really liked.
563
00:29:56,762 --> 00:30:00,964
Paul didn't think
it was worthy of me, I guess.
564
00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:03,367
You know, we had some shotguns,
565
00:30:03,369 --> 00:30:07,805
And somebody grabbed the hat
and threw it up in the air.
566
00:30:07,807 --> 00:30:09,540
Paul went bam, bam, bam.
567
00:30:09,542 --> 00:30:11,809
[ gunshots ]
568
00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:14,678
And, of course,
my hat was riddled
569
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,616
With little, tiny holes
all over.
570
00:30:19,618 --> 00:30:21,618
-I got a picture from him,
571
00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:23,120
And I'm to the side of him,
572
00:30:23,122 --> 00:30:26,590
Looking like he said
something shocking.
573
00:30:26,592 --> 00:30:34,164
He signed it, "actually,
the truth is, I'm willy's dad!"
574
00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:38,335
We had this relationship where
we'd play jokes on each other.
575
00:30:38,337 --> 00:30:40,637
And so, I'm thinking,
"I've heard enough about cars."
576
00:30:40,639 --> 00:30:41,672
You know, the guy can't stop.
577
00:30:41,674 --> 00:30:43,073
So I went to a towing service.
578
00:30:43,075 --> 00:30:44,842
I said, "can you
find me a crushed car?"
579
00:30:44,844 --> 00:30:46,543
And they just happened to find
a crushed porsche.
580
00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:48,846
And I said, "okay, would you
wrap it in wrapping paper
581
00:30:48,848 --> 00:30:50,180
And put a ribbon around it
582
00:30:50,182 --> 00:30:53,717
And deliver it to paul newman's
back porch?"
583
00:30:53,719 --> 00:30:55,118
They did, and I called them.
584
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,621
I said, "you do that?"
and he said, "yeah, I did."
585
00:30:57,623 --> 00:30:59,456
I said, "anybody there?"
"no. No."
586
00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:00,791
So I didn't hear anything.
587
00:31:00,793 --> 00:31:02,960
A couple of weeks goes by
and I go to my house,
588
00:31:02,962 --> 00:31:04,194
Which was rented.
589
00:31:04,196 --> 00:31:06,997
I go in there, and in the foyer
is this big box.
590
00:31:06,999 --> 00:31:10,067
And the box is obviously heavy,
because it's put a dent
591
00:31:10,069 --> 00:31:12,970
In the floor of the house
that I'm renting,
592
00:31:12,972 --> 00:31:15,539
Which means I'm gonna
have to pay for it.
593
00:31:15,541 --> 00:31:17,875
Took me about an hour
to crowbar the box apart,
594
00:31:17,877 --> 00:31:20,143
And there was this big block
of metal --
595
00:31:20,145 --> 00:31:22,613
Big square block of metal.
596
00:31:22,615 --> 00:31:24,548
I said, "okay, I got it."
597
00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:26,683
So then I called a friend
of mine who was a sculptor
598
00:31:26,685 --> 00:31:29,853
And a lady and I said, "look,
if I deliver you some materials,
599
00:31:29,855 --> 00:31:31,588
Could you sculpt something
for a garden?"
600
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:33,290
She goes, "oh, that'd be great."
601
00:31:33,292 --> 00:31:35,893
I knew she wasn't
a particularly good sculptor,
602
00:31:35,895 --> 00:31:37,294
So that was part of the deal.
603
00:31:37,296 --> 00:31:41,832
And three weeks later, she
called to say it was finished.
604
00:31:41,834 --> 00:31:43,300
Called the towing service back.
605
00:31:43,302 --> 00:31:46,637
"pick this up and take it
and put it in newman's garden."
606
00:31:46,639 --> 00:31:48,138
So they did.
607
00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:52,910
And to this day, paul and I
never spoke a word about it.
608
00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:56,079
I guess that sums up
our relationship in a way.
609
00:31:56,081 --> 00:31:58,515
-He liked to build
what the english call q-cars,
610
00:31:58,517 --> 00:32:04,321
Which are cars that look normal
but have incredible abilities.
611
00:32:04,323 --> 00:32:06,356
Occasionally, I would meet a guy
that would say,
612
00:32:06,358 --> 00:32:09,660
"I was in connecticut,
and this volkswagen pulls up,
613
00:32:09,662 --> 00:32:11,795
And it's paul newman
614
00:32:11,797 --> 00:32:15,198
And he just blew my doors off."
615
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,336
-He would drive
a disguised volvo station wagon
616
00:32:19,338 --> 00:32:23,740
With about a 650-horsepower
engine in it.
617
00:32:23,742 --> 00:32:25,008
He just wanted to be,
618
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:27,511
You know, totally incognito,
if you will.
619
00:32:27,513 --> 00:32:31,949
But if you recognized him,
it was a time for him to just,
620
00:32:31,951 --> 00:32:33,483
You know, open somebody's eyes.
621
00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:37,354
You know, he would do that.
He was just that kind of guy.
622
00:32:37,356 --> 00:32:40,691
-We loved paul for paul,
not because he was an actor.
623
00:32:40,693 --> 00:32:42,192
He was a wonderful human being,
624
00:32:42,194 --> 00:32:44,027
A great guy
to be associated with.
625
00:32:44,029 --> 00:32:46,229
The kind of a guy -- "hey,
let's have a beer."
626
00:32:46,231 --> 00:32:49,833
And I think he liked the
westport countryfied atmosphere
627
00:32:49,835 --> 00:32:52,402
Versus the hollywood atmosphere.
628
00:32:58,576 --> 00:33:01,845
I had taken paul and his son
around lime rock
629
00:33:01,847 --> 00:33:03,814
When I first met them.
630
00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:07,084
He was a california guy,
631
00:33:07,086 --> 00:33:11,455
And he passed on of an overdose.
632
00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:19,496
-The tragedy of his death,
633
00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:23,767
It was something that was never
really talked about.
634
00:33:25,603 --> 00:33:30,273
I think what paul did with that
was he made it his business.
635
00:33:30,275 --> 00:33:33,143
I said to paul, "paul, would you
like to take some time off?
636
00:33:33,145 --> 00:33:35,012
I know this is
a difficult time."
637
00:33:35,014 --> 00:33:38,882
He said, "sharp, practice me
five days a week if you can.
638
00:33:38,884 --> 00:33:40,350
I can't change it,
639
00:33:40,352 --> 00:33:41,952
I feel badly that it happened,
640
00:33:41,954 --> 00:33:44,121
But the less I think about it,
the more I motor on.
641
00:33:44,123 --> 00:33:47,424
And racing's a wonderful thing,
'cause it consumes you."
642
00:33:47,426 --> 00:33:51,128
-When you get out to that track
and you sit down in that car,
643
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:54,031
Whatever it is that's
roiling around in your head,
644
00:33:54,033 --> 00:33:57,234
It just goes
right out the window.
645
00:33:58,436 --> 00:34:02,372
-And then the tiger
in the tank came out.
646
00:34:06,944 --> 00:34:08,345
-Newman's begun to accelerate,
647
00:34:08,347 --> 00:34:11,748
And the green flag
hasn't even been dropped.
648
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:14,451
Newman's timed it perfectly.
649
00:34:16,854 --> 00:34:18,922
-I used to be able
to be psyched.
650
00:34:18,924 --> 00:34:20,724
You know,
you can't psych me anymore.
651
00:34:20,726 --> 00:34:22,559
I'll see a guy in my mirror.
652
00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:23,627
You know, two years ago,
653
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:25,362
I'd say, "oh, god,
he's gonna catch me."
654
00:34:25,364 --> 00:34:29,433
And now I say, "well, I'm gonna
show him where it's all at."
655
00:34:32,036 --> 00:34:34,271
-We won 15 out of 17 races
that year.
656
00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:36,073
-He is headed
through turn number 12,
657
00:34:36,075 --> 00:34:37,941
And paul newman is going to be
658
00:34:37,943 --> 00:34:40,710
The "c" production 1979
national champion.
659
00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:41,912
The margin of victory --
660
00:34:41,914 --> 00:34:46,183
6.3 seconds
between first and second.
661
00:34:46,185 --> 00:34:48,251
-Last year, you were second,
and you said then
662
00:34:48,253 --> 00:34:50,520
Maybe you could be first with
a little help from the driver.
663
00:34:50,522 --> 00:34:53,490
How do you feel
about the driver right now?
664
00:34:53,492 --> 00:34:54,691
-Well, I don't know.
665
00:34:54,693 --> 00:34:56,093
That car worked so --
666
00:34:56,095 --> 00:34:59,062
You know, usually, it's a sign
of modesty -- baloney.
667
00:34:59,064 --> 00:35:00,764
Shirley temple could've
gotten in that thing
668
00:35:00,766 --> 00:35:01,965
And gone like a rocket.
669
00:35:01,967 --> 00:35:03,233
-I think although the two of us
670
00:35:03,235 --> 00:35:05,035
Are surely not
two peas in a pod,
671
00:35:05,037 --> 00:35:07,070
I think we complement each other
very much.
672
00:35:07,072 --> 00:35:08,672
I thought
it was a winning combination,
673
00:35:08,674 --> 00:35:09,840
And I did have confidence
674
00:35:09,842 --> 00:35:11,441
That he would be a winner
in our cars.
675
00:35:11,443 --> 00:35:13,243
-How do you feel as a driver?
676
00:35:13,245 --> 00:35:16,646
Are you proud
of what you've just done.
677
00:35:16,648 --> 00:35:17,848
-Yeah, it felt pretty good.
678
00:35:17,850 --> 00:35:19,983
I mean, the last time
I inherited,
679
00:35:19,985 --> 00:35:21,218
You know, the championship,
680
00:35:21,220 --> 00:35:23,453
And this time
I won it fair-and-square.
681
00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:32,295
-There goes paul newman
out for another run.
682
00:35:36,267 --> 00:35:39,569
-I met paul in 1977
when we were teammates
683
00:35:39,571 --> 00:35:43,340
On a ferrari team running
the "24 hours of daytona."
684
00:35:43,342 --> 00:35:47,144
-We really got along very well
from the very beginning.
685
00:35:47,146 --> 00:35:49,212
Paul was a very competitive
driver.
686
00:35:49,214 --> 00:35:53,083
He did not want
to take a backseat to anybody.
687
00:35:53,085 --> 00:35:57,020
In 1978, my team went
to the "24 hours of le mans,"
688
00:35:57,022 --> 00:36:01,124
Where we were fortunate enough
to win there.
689
00:36:01,126 --> 00:36:03,693
Right after that race,
paul called me and said,
690
00:36:03,695 --> 00:36:08,465
"dick, I'd really like to take
a shot at winning le mans."
691
00:36:11,135 --> 00:36:14,704
In the world of racing,
le mans is the epitome.
692
00:36:14,706 --> 00:36:20,777
It's every race driver's dream
to race there and to win there.
693
00:36:20,779 --> 00:36:23,413
They even made a movie about it.
694
00:36:32,456 --> 00:36:35,091
-The world's best drivers
competed there --
695
00:36:35,093 --> 00:36:37,928
Formula one drivers,
sports-car drivers,
696
00:36:37,930 --> 00:36:39,729
Indianapolis drivers.
697
00:36:39,731 --> 00:36:42,732
I raced at le mans nine times
and won in my class twice
698
00:36:42,734 --> 00:36:44,701
And won third overall.
699
00:36:48,706 --> 00:36:49,806
-It's certainly an event
700
00:36:49,808 --> 00:36:53,343
That garners attention
from all over the world.
701
00:36:53,345 --> 00:36:55,912
You get 300,000
to 400,000 people every year.
702
00:36:55,914 --> 00:37:00,050
The infield is packed
with campers from every country.
703
00:37:00,052 --> 00:37:02,719
The ambiance
is absolutely incredible.
704
00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:05,355
It's exciting.
705
00:37:05,357 --> 00:37:09,059
It's a 24-hour race that starts
at 4:00 in the afternoon,
706
00:37:09,061 --> 00:37:10,961
And it ends at 4:00
the next day.
707
00:37:10,963 --> 00:37:13,597
-Three, two, one.
708
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:18,101
-Whoever does the most miles
in that period of time
709
00:37:18,103 --> 00:37:20,904
Wins the race.
710
00:37:20,906 --> 00:37:23,974
The word got out that paul was
one of the drivers on the team,
711
00:37:23,976 --> 00:37:27,477
And that went around the world
and all the world press.
712
00:37:27,479 --> 00:37:30,580
By the time
that the first practice session
713
00:37:30,582 --> 00:37:31,915
Came at le mans,
714
00:37:31,917 --> 00:37:34,384
The crowds had just doubled.
715
00:37:34,386 --> 00:37:36,453
I had never seen
that many people there,
716
00:37:36,455 --> 00:37:40,090
And it was mayhem, really,
a chaos,
717
00:37:40,092 --> 00:37:41,424
Especially at the racetrack.
718
00:37:41,426 --> 00:37:45,061
The crowds were anxious
to get in and see him.
719
00:37:45,063 --> 00:37:47,130
We were staying
at this delightful castle
720
00:37:47,132 --> 00:37:49,399
Called malicorne in le mans.
721
00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:51,901
After the first night,
we had a problem,
722
00:37:51,903 --> 00:37:55,272
Because the paparazzi
were actually climbing up
723
00:37:55,274 --> 00:38:00,543
And scaling the wall to get to
paul's room.
724
00:38:00,545 --> 00:38:03,580
-I felt the private person
that he was
725
00:38:03,582 --> 00:38:07,617
Was not a natural mix to go
to the "24 hours at le mans."
726
00:38:07,619 --> 00:38:09,052
He was there to race the car,
727
00:38:09,054 --> 00:38:10,420
Not to do autographs
728
00:38:10,422 --> 00:38:13,189
Or not to pose for pictures
and this and that.
729
00:38:13,191 --> 00:38:15,058
-They're
a completely ungoverned bunch.
730
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:16,660
They're desperate.
They're rabid.
731
00:38:16,662 --> 00:38:20,130
They don't care what the rules
are, what dignity means,
732
00:38:20,132 --> 00:38:21,464
What privacy means.
733
00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:24,301
They're a pain in the ass.
There's no question.
734
00:38:24,303 --> 00:38:26,436
And I don't think paul
liked it anymore than I did.
735
00:38:26,438 --> 00:38:29,205
He developed, over time,
ways to deal with it,
736
00:38:29,207 --> 00:38:32,642
But you can only
control so much.
737
00:38:32,644 --> 00:38:35,845
-In 1979, I drove a 935 porsche.
738
00:38:35,847 --> 00:38:40,417
It was identical to the car
that paul newman drove.
739
00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:45,955
-We raced a porsche 935
six-cylinder,
740
00:38:45,957 --> 00:38:48,124
Twin-turbocharged boxer engine.
741
00:38:48,126 --> 00:38:51,261
We ran in qualifying
over 800 horsepower.
742
00:38:51,263 --> 00:38:56,032
In the race, probably
650 to 700 horsepower.
743
00:38:56,034 --> 00:38:58,234
Top speed was over 220 miles
an hour.
744
00:38:58,236 --> 00:39:01,638
It was violent.
It was fantastic.
745
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,341
It was three drivers,
one hour each.
746
00:39:04,343 --> 00:39:08,044
Rolf started the race for us,
I was the next driver,
747
00:39:08,046 --> 00:39:10,480
And then the third driver
was paul.
748
00:39:10,482 --> 00:39:13,083
Paul and rolf got along great.
749
00:39:13,085 --> 00:39:15,118
Paul really respected the fact
750
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,187
That rolf
was a formula one driver,
751
00:39:17,189 --> 00:39:20,156
A porsche-factory driver.
752
00:39:20,158 --> 00:39:22,425
Le man is a very unique track.
753
00:39:22,427 --> 00:39:24,361
It is roughly eight miles long.
754
00:39:24,363 --> 00:39:28,598
It's part permanent racetrack
and part public highway.
755
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,268
Once a year, the mulsanne
freeway is closed off,
756
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:34,938
And it becomes
the mulsanne straightaway.
757
00:39:43,748 --> 00:39:47,283
-For the first few laps, I
think, "this is pretty stupid,"
758
00:39:47,285 --> 00:39:49,252
Going down a two-lane highway
759
00:39:49,254 --> 00:39:50,787
At over 200 miles an hour
760
00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:54,391
With guardrails and trees
on the side of the road.
761
00:39:54,393 --> 00:40:01,664
-My 512 s ferrari in 1970
went 248 miles an hour.
762
00:40:01,666 --> 00:40:03,633
-And you always have respect
for it,
763
00:40:03,635 --> 00:40:07,303
Because it's a very dangerous
place to race.
764
00:40:07,305 --> 00:40:09,406
-You were racing at le mans
this year,
765
00:40:09,408 --> 00:40:11,708
And a driver in your class died.
766
00:40:11,710 --> 00:40:13,476
-Yeah.
767
00:40:13,478 --> 00:40:15,278
It was three minutes
into the race.
768
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,680
It was a lot of weather there.
769
00:40:17,682 --> 00:40:20,917
-Oh, no.
-An aston, and it's a big one.
770
00:40:20,919 --> 00:40:23,887
-It's hard, because it's
like part of your family.
771
00:40:23,889 --> 00:40:25,588
You don't really think
it's gonna happen anymore.
772
00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:27,357
And then you got to get back out
and do it.
773
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:29,492
And every time you went
by that spot in the track,
774
00:40:29,494 --> 00:40:31,561
You had to be focused
on moving forward
775
00:40:31,563 --> 00:40:33,897
And not think about what had
happened.
776
00:40:42,573 --> 00:40:48,044
-Speed at le mans
varies based on the conditions.
777
00:40:48,046 --> 00:40:50,680
In the 1979 race, it was clear
778
00:40:50,682 --> 00:40:55,051
And then it was absolutely a
cloud burst of incredible rain,
779
00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:57,420
Incredible fog in the nighttime,
780
00:40:57,422 --> 00:41:01,357
Which made it very,
very dangerous.
781
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:04,394
The attrition during the race
was quite high.
782
00:41:04,396 --> 00:41:07,230
A lot of cars ending up
in the guardrails,
783
00:41:07,232 --> 00:41:09,766
Spinning off,
not being able to finish.
784
00:41:09,768 --> 00:41:14,504
-55 cars started the race
and only 22 finish.
785
00:41:14,506 --> 00:41:17,407
-An absolutely tough course.
In rain? At night?
786
00:41:17,409 --> 00:41:20,043
When I saw that, I said, "wow.
787
00:41:20,045 --> 00:41:21,978
He's real going somewhere."
788
00:41:23,514 --> 00:41:25,014
-Our stints were one hour.
789
00:41:25,016 --> 00:41:29,252
You would come in after an hour,
take on a full load of fuel,
790
00:41:29,254 --> 00:41:30,954
Change all four tires,
791
00:41:30,956 --> 00:41:32,622
And change drivers.
792
00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:34,624
Hopefully in less than a minute,
793
00:41:34,626 --> 00:41:36,726
Because every second
you lost in the pits
794
00:41:36,728 --> 00:41:39,896
Was very hard
to make up on the track.
795
00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:48,371
The paparazzi
were really merciless,
796
00:41:48,373 --> 00:41:50,106
Especially in our pits,
797
00:41:50,108 --> 00:41:51,708
And they were all over our car.
798
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:53,710
And we needed to get out
on the racetrack,
799
00:41:53,712 --> 00:41:57,514
And paul didn't want
to run them over.
800
00:41:57,516 --> 00:41:59,482
-You have to block
out everybody, 'cause if you
801
00:41:59,484 --> 00:42:01,618
Start to really concentrate --
certainly at le mans.
802
00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:03,520
There's so many cameras
everywhere.
803
00:42:03,522 --> 00:42:04,787
If you are aware of that,
804
00:42:04,789 --> 00:42:06,656
You couldn't get in the car
and function.
805
00:42:06,658 --> 00:42:09,659
-We had told paul,
when he gets in the car,
806
00:42:09,661 --> 00:42:12,529
He's belted in,
and he's ready to go,
807
00:42:12,531 --> 00:42:14,697
Just turn the ignition on,
fire it up,
808
00:42:14,699 --> 00:42:17,100
And leave no matter
how many people
809
00:42:17,102 --> 00:42:18,401
Were in front of the car.
810
00:42:18,403 --> 00:42:23,039
And he did, and he bowed
over three paparazzi.
811
00:42:25,276 --> 00:42:28,811
At about the 22nd hour,
812
00:42:28,813 --> 00:42:31,848
We found ourself
in the lead overall,
813
00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:33,883
And then, on the 23rd hour,
814
00:42:33,885 --> 00:42:36,486
We made a pit stop
with about an hour to go,
815
00:42:36,488 --> 00:42:40,023
And one of the left-front tires,
the nut
816
00:42:40,025 --> 00:42:43,693
Had welded itself on because
of the rain and the heat.
817
00:42:43,695 --> 00:42:46,396
So we had to have
a long pit stop,
818
00:42:46,398 --> 00:42:48,565
Chisel off the front suspension,
819
00:42:48,567 --> 00:42:51,501
And replace it
and get back in the race.
820
00:42:51,503 --> 00:42:53,703
Some interviewer
literally came over
821
00:42:53,705 --> 00:42:55,838
And grabbed paul,
trying to get an interview
822
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,575
Right when we were in the midst
of doing our job.
823
00:42:58,577 --> 00:43:01,344
-We look at the camera,
monsieur, pardon. Merci.
824
00:43:01,346 --> 00:43:02,946
The camera is right in front
of you.
825
00:43:02,948 --> 00:43:06,082
I just want to know
exactly your impressions
826
00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:07,550
Of le mans now.
827
00:43:07,552 --> 00:43:11,487
After 22 hours, you are in
second position in the race.
828
00:43:11,489 --> 00:43:13,656
-The idea that racing,
829
00:43:13,658 --> 00:43:18,461
Which requires
extreme concentration and focus,
830
00:43:18,463 --> 00:43:20,997
To have somebody
interfere with that, to me,
831
00:43:20,999 --> 00:43:22,665
That's criminal.
832
00:43:22,667 --> 00:43:27,303
-Rolf took off, really
bent on regaining the lead.
833
00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:30,173
Unfortunately, we kind
of pushed the car too hard.
834
00:43:30,175 --> 00:43:31,541
We lost a cylinder.
835
00:43:31,543 --> 00:43:35,178
And so rolf had to baby the car
that last hour,
836
00:43:35,180 --> 00:43:40,483
And we ended up second overall
but first in the imsa class.
837
00:43:40,485 --> 00:43:41,784
At the end of the race,
838
00:43:41,786 --> 00:43:46,089
The crowd absolutely
emptied the grandstands
839
00:43:46,091 --> 00:43:48,791
And came onto the track.
840
00:43:48,793 --> 00:43:51,894
The crew had to form a barricade
around the car,
841
00:43:51,896 --> 00:43:54,497
And it was pushed up
to victory circle.
842
00:43:54,499 --> 00:43:56,633
It was very exciting,
very magical.
843
00:43:56,635 --> 00:43:58,167
Paul, many times after that,
844
00:43:58,169 --> 00:44:02,905
He said it was the most
rewarding race of his life.
845
00:44:02,907 --> 00:44:06,876
I was just little dickie barbour
from la mesa, california,
846
00:44:06,878 --> 00:44:10,079
And all of a sudden, you know,
we're in this limelight.
847
00:44:10,081 --> 00:44:14,384
Anybody would be pretty struck
by having this happen to them.
848
00:44:14,386 --> 00:44:17,253
I think we were kind
of standing back,
849
00:44:17,255 --> 00:44:18,554
Watching all this happening,
850
00:44:18,556 --> 00:44:21,324
And it was certainly a matter
of pride for us,
851
00:44:21,326 --> 00:44:24,227
You know, because he
did choose to race with us.
852
00:44:24,229 --> 00:44:27,664
-After newman was in the car
that finished second overall
853
00:44:27,666 --> 00:44:31,434
At le mans, his stock
went up with a lot of people.
854
00:44:31,436 --> 00:44:33,936
-Other drivers
from around the world
855
00:44:33,938 --> 00:44:36,939
Really developed
incredible respect for paul
856
00:44:36,941 --> 00:44:40,209
And that he was one of them,
because
857
00:44:40,211 --> 00:44:44,313
They all knew how difficult
winning at le mans was,
858
00:44:44,315 --> 00:44:46,883
And most of them had never won.
859
00:44:46,885 --> 00:44:51,087
It legitimized all of us,
the victory there.
860
00:44:56,794 --> 00:45:00,563
I believe that paul
didn't go back for the reason
861
00:45:00,565 --> 00:45:04,233
That the paparazzi just
made it so difficult
862
00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:05,868
For him to concentrate.
863
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:09,472
It kind of took the pleasure
out of it for him.
864
00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:18,948
-The victory lap
and the taste of triumph
865
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:21,884
Certainly aren't new to newman
and to his race crew,
866
00:45:21,886 --> 00:45:24,987
But the big payoff is the
national championship trophy.
867
00:45:24,989 --> 00:45:27,156
It's not an oscar,
but to paul newman,
868
00:45:27,158 --> 00:45:30,460
It's the honor he seeks most
in his second career.
869
00:45:30,462 --> 00:45:31,994
Will he retire when he gets it?
870
00:45:31,996 --> 00:45:36,132
"hey," he says, "I'll retire
when I get slower, not older."
871
00:45:38,736 --> 00:45:40,002
-He really felt at home here.
872
00:45:40,004 --> 00:45:42,872
People in racing,
they knew who he was,
873
00:45:42,874 --> 00:45:45,408
And they were impressed by him,
but they didn't bug him.
874
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:48,511
-When p.L. Was at the racetrack,
875
00:45:48,513 --> 00:45:50,913
He was another race driver,
in his mind.
876
00:45:50,915 --> 00:45:53,850
He wasn't p.L. Newman
the movie star.
877
00:45:53,852 --> 00:45:56,486
He was p.L. Newman
the race driver.
878
00:45:56,488 --> 00:45:59,956
And he conducted himself
like that,
879
00:45:59,958 --> 00:46:03,893
And he never put himself
on a pedestal ever.
880
00:46:03,895 --> 00:46:06,763
-He was just another driver
that you wanted to beat.
881
00:46:06,765 --> 00:46:08,765
You know,
he got that much credibility.
882
00:46:08,767 --> 00:46:12,235
People didn't even think
of him being a movie-star racer.
883
00:46:12,237 --> 00:46:14,837
He was just a racer.
884
00:46:14,839 --> 00:46:17,039
-There was a little boy,
standing with his mother,
885
00:46:17,041 --> 00:46:19,509
And paul walked by,
and I heard this.
886
00:46:19,511 --> 00:46:20,977
The mother
grabbed the little boy
887
00:46:20,979 --> 00:46:22,845
And said,
"do you know who that is?"
888
00:46:22,847 --> 00:46:25,181
And the little boy said,
"yeah, it's paul newman."
889
00:46:25,183 --> 00:46:27,016
And she said, "yes,
but do you know who he is?"
890
00:46:27,018 --> 00:46:29,685
And he said,
"yes, it's a racer."
891
00:46:29,687 --> 00:46:31,187
And I thought,
"isn't that wonderful?"
892
00:46:31,189 --> 00:46:34,924
Because that's what would make
paul very happy.
893
00:46:39,096 --> 00:46:41,964
-He drove in the
"24 hours of daytona,"
894
00:46:41,966 --> 00:46:44,767
And then won worldwide
recognition by finishing second
895
00:46:44,769 --> 00:46:46,903
In the famous 24-hour race
at le mans.
896
00:46:46,905 --> 00:46:49,438
This last year,
paul's fascination with racing
897
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,241
Has been such that he's competed
in more events
898
00:46:52,243 --> 00:46:55,244
In fact, some people
think he's spending more time
899
00:46:55,246 --> 00:46:59,182
With his racing career
now than with his movie career.
900
00:47:02,085 --> 00:47:04,554
-Every year, I keep saying
that I'm gonna, you know,
901
00:47:04,556 --> 00:47:06,088
Stop all this.
902
00:47:06,090 --> 00:47:08,191
So now it looks like I got
a couple of really good scripts
903
00:47:08,193 --> 00:47:12,962
That will go during the spring
and the summer.
904
00:47:12,964 --> 00:47:15,565
So all I have to do is burn
all those scripts, you see,
905
00:47:15,567 --> 00:47:18,034
So I can get back in the car
again.
906
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:23,239
-He wasn't so much divided
between the two.
907
00:47:23,241 --> 00:47:26,843
It was that film
would come second to racing.
908
00:47:28,879 --> 00:47:32,515
-What is the mystique
about beating the other guy,
909
00:47:32,517 --> 00:47:34,016
About winning?
910
00:47:34,018 --> 00:47:35,885
Well, whatever it is,
it's a mystique
911
00:47:35,887 --> 00:47:39,722
That's held in high reverence
by people in racing.
912
00:47:39,724 --> 00:47:41,691
-And I was driving the pro cars,
913
00:47:41,693 --> 00:47:45,127
And paul was driving
the amateur circuit.
914
00:47:45,129 --> 00:47:48,030
But then he got so good
that it made sense
915
00:47:48,032 --> 00:47:52,668
For him to join me
in the pro races.
916
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:57,406
The car in the background
here was a big imsa contender.
917
00:47:57,408 --> 00:48:01,510
We had over 900 horsepower.
918
00:48:01,512 --> 00:48:03,112
-I had to make a choice
919
00:48:03,114 --> 00:48:06,249
When I went from amateurs
to professional racing,
920
00:48:06,251 --> 00:48:08,784
Whether I wanted to be
a big fish in a little pond
921
00:48:08,786 --> 00:48:12,188
Or a little fish in a big pond.
922
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:16,158
Going from 300-some-odd
horsepower to 900 horsepower
923
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,329
Is that quantum leap
that you keep talking about.
924
00:48:22,032 --> 00:48:24,767
I think I was away 24 weekends
this summer.
925
00:48:24,769 --> 00:48:26,869
If I wasn't racing,
the can-am team was racing
926
00:48:26,871 --> 00:48:29,305
Or I was running out to ohio
927
00:48:29,307 --> 00:48:31,841
To visit joanne who was doing
a play out there,
928
00:48:31,843 --> 00:48:33,943
And I felt as though I was
inside of a meat grinder,
929
00:48:33,945 --> 00:48:38,147
But all I got to do if I
don't want to do it is stop.
930
00:48:41,518 --> 00:48:43,052
-I was worried about him.
931
00:48:43,054 --> 00:48:44,987
I really was seriously
concerned.
932
00:48:44,989 --> 00:48:47,323
His whole career
looked as though it was gonna
933
00:48:47,325 --> 00:48:51,294
Because all he wanted to do
was race.
934
00:48:54,865 --> 00:48:56,866
-They'll have to strap me down
935
00:48:56,868 --> 00:48:59,936
Before they keep me
out of these things.
936
00:48:59,938 --> 00:49:01,837
-Welcome back, joanne.
937
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:03,806
We understand you taught him
everything he knows.
938
00:49:03,808 --> 00:49:05,074
-Of course. Absolutely.
939
00:49:05,076 --> 00:49:07,877
And that's
why he drives so well.
940
00:49:07,879 --> 00:49:09,946
-Joanne has really,
through all of this, you know,
941
00:49:09,948 --> 00:49:12,381
When I was racing badly,
she was supportive.
942
00:49:12,383 --> 00:49:14,817
When I was racing well,
she was supportive.
943
00:49:14,819 --> 00:49:16,852
She keeps asking
the eternal question,
944
00:49:16,854 --> 00:49:18,821
"well, next season, what?
945
00:49:18,823 --> 00:49:20,222
Do we go to France and paris,
946
00:49:20,224 --> 00:49:23,960
Or is it somers point
and pocono."
947
00:49:23,962 --> 00:49:27,930
And she's been just patient
beyond all belief.
948
00:49:27,932 --> 00:49:29,865
-Anything can happen
when you're in a race car,
949
00:49:29,867 --> 00:49:31,200
And I think
that that was a thing
950
00:49:31,202 --> 00:49:33,703
That she was very concerned
about,
951
00:49:33,705 --> 00:49:35,738
About with him becoming,
952
00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:38,240
In some way,
injured with the family
953
00:49:38,242 --> 00:49:42,378
And all of that and also
starting late in life.
954
00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:52,655
-Racing was more dangerous then
than it is now,
955
00:49:52,657 --> 00:49:55,124
And it was always a risk
to have him at the wheel.
956
00:49:55,126 --> 00:49:58,995
He was very aggressive,
you know.
957
00:49:58,997 --> 00:50:03,966
-You can drive hard and you
can even drive extra hard,
958
00:50:03,968 --> 00:50:06,002
And you're not gonna
win any races.
959
00:50:06,004 --> 00:50:07,470
The only way that you're ever
gonna win a race
960
00:50:07,472 --> 00:50:12,041
Is just to be right on the edge
of it all the time.
961
00:50:12,043 --> 00:50:15,978
-He was not afraid
to test the limits.
962
00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:19,081
And sometimes, you got
to get off and go off the track
963
00:50:19,083 --> 00:50:23,085
Or brush that wall to find out
where the limit is.
964
00:50:23,087 --> 00:50:24,653
-Oh, newman and bowman
have gone off.
965
00:50:24,655 --> 00:50:25,821
-And he's had a lot of spins,
966
00:50:25,823 --> 00:50:27,790
And there have been a couple
of times
967
00:50:27,792 --> 00:50:29,225
When he didn't come around.
968
00:50:29,227 --> 00:50:31,027
You know, when I'm sitting,
waiting, and saying,
969
00:50:31,029 --> 00:50:32,528
Like, "what happened?
970
00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:33,963
Where did he go?"
971
00:50:33,965 --> 00:50:38,667
-Newman was on viagra
before they even made viagra.
972
00:50:38,669 --> 00:50:41,237
He was a hard-dick brother.
973
00:50:43,807 --> 00:50:45,841
-I didn't want to see him do it,
974
00:50:45,843 --> 00:50:47,710
Because it was dangerous,
975
00:50:47,712 --> 00:50:50,546
And I didn't want
to see anything happen to him.
976
00:50:50,548 --> 00:50:55,151
-I think everybody wanted
him to quit racing except him.
977
00:50:57,487 --> 00:50:59,555
-He was under no pressure
to win.
978
00:50:59,557 --> 00:51:02,591
-He was under no pressure
to go fast.
979
00:51:02,593 --> 00:51:04,093
He didn't have to.
980
00:51:04,095 --> 00:51:05,928
That's not how he made a living.
981
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:08,931
He was challenging himself
as a man.
982
00:51:08,933 --> 00:51:11,400
-What's your strategy
going to be?
983
00:51:11,402 --> 00:51:14,904
-Just drive the race
and try to stay alive.
984
00:51:14,906 --> 00:51:19,075
-A racing driver
is very aware of the fact
985
00:51:19,077 --> 00:51:21,277
That death
can happen at any time
986
00:51:21,279 --> 00:51:24,346
Just because you're going
so fast and there's
987
00:51:24,348 --> 00:51:27,450
So many things
out of your control --
988
00:51:32,656 --> 00:51:34,190
The weather, other cars,
989
00:51:34,192 --> 00:51:38,260
Mechanical failures,
tire failures.
990
00:51:38,262 --> 00:51:42,031
But you're so passionate
about being a race driver
991
00:51:42,033 --> 00:51:45,935
That that overcomes
all those senses.
992
00:51:45,937 --> 00:51:48,971
-The biggest vintage-car race
in the country
993
00:51:48,973 --> 00:51:50,506
Is the monterey historics.
994
00:51:50,508 --> 00:51:55,244
In 2010, one of the cars
I drove was the 1958 scarab.
995
00:51:55,246 --> 00:51:57,379
The race started,
we went over the hill,
996
00:51:57,381 --> 00:51:59,381
And just before
the andretti hairpin,
997
00:51:59,383 --> 00:52:02,184
One car misjudged the speed
of the car
998
00:52:02,186 --> 00:52:05,287
That he was catching at the back
of the pack and spun.
999
00:52:05,289 --> 00:52:08,390
The car right behind him lost
control trying to avoid him,
1000
00:52:08,392 --> 00:52:12,128
Hit the guardrail on the inside,
and bounced across the track
1001
00:52:12,130 --> 00:52:14,530
As I passed and ran
into me in the back --
1002
00:52:14,532 --> 00:52:19,268
My left rear corner --
and started flipping the car.
1003
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:23,672
After the crash, the car
was loaded on a flatbed --
1004
00:52:23,674 --> 00:52:24,874
Well, the remains of it.
1005
00:52:24,876 --> 00:52:27,009
And, in essence,
it was destroyed.
1006
00:52:27,011 --> 00:52:29,011
But you can fix anything,
1007
00:52:29,013 --> 00:52:31,747
Especially
when it's worth $6 million.
1008
00:52:33,383 --> 00:52:35,818
And I thought my neck
was broken,
1009
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:38,154
But I raced again in a month.
1010
00:52:38,156 --> 00:52:40,422
-You know what this reminds me
of? The theater.
1011
00:52:40,424 --> 00:52:44,960
It has its audience, its cast,
its drama, comedy,
1012
00:52:44,962 --> 00:52:47,630
And sometimes it's tragedy, too.
1013
00:52:51,501 --> 00:52:53,369
-Things happen in a microsecond,
1014
00:52:53,371 --> 00:52:56,906
And sometimes it's not
in your control
1015
00:52:56,908 --> 00:52:59,542
Like it
wasn't in rolf's control.
1016
00:53:01,144 --> 00:53:03,646
In the l.A. Times grand prix
in 1983,
1017
00:53:03,648 --> 00:53:07,650
Going into turn 9
at well over 200 miles an hour,
1018
00:53:07,652 --> 00:53:09,618
His rear wing broke.
1019
00:53:11,788 --> 00:53:14,056
Paul understood the danger
1020
00:53:14,058 --> 00:53:18,360
Of racing firsthand
after rolf died.
1021
00:53:30,407 --> 00:53:32,541
-Paul loved making
salad dressing,
1022
00:53:32,543 --> 00:53:35,211
And at christmas time,
he and a.E. Hotchner,
1023
00:53:35,213 --> 00:53:37,346
The author,
would make up salad dressing.
1024
00:53:37,348 --> 00:53:38,948
They'd put it
in an old wine split,
1025
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:41,850
And they'd give it to
the neighbors and the relatives.
1026
00:53:41,852 --> 00:53:43,485
And on a Saturday night cookout,
1027
00:53:43,487 --> 00:53:46,088
Often we'd barbecue out
at the track where the guys
1028
00:53:46,090 --> 00:53:47,289
Are working on the car.
1029
00:53:47,291 --> 00:53:49,959
Paul would go get
all the ingredients
1030
00:53:49,961 --> 00:53:51,260
To make his salad dressing.
1031
00:53:51,262 --> 00:53:53,929
So we'd have salad and hamburger
and fruit,
1032
00:53:53,931 --> 00:53:55,364
And he would say, you know,
1033
00:53:55,366 --> 00:53:59,335
"I really want to go
into salad-dressing business."
1034
00:53:59,337 --> 00:54:02,371
Sam posey's wife
designed the label,
1035
00:54:02,373 --> 00:54:04,540
And paul newman was
in the salad-dressing business.
1036
00:54:04,542 --> 00:54:08,277
-He and my wife,
ellen, started hanging out.
1037
00:54:08,279 --> 00:54:11,046
He said, you know, "I'd like
the label to be not one
1038
00:54:11,048 --> 00:54:13,515
Of the traditional salad
dressings.
1039
00:54:13,517 --> 00:54:16,652
Would you be interested
in doing the label for me?"
1040
00:54:16,654 --> 00:54:19,355
So she said sure,
and she came and mocked one up
1041
00:54:19,357 --> 00:54:21,523
Right within a day
right there.
1042
00:54:21,525 --> 00:54:25,094
And he loved that,
and that's the way it went.
1043
00:54:25,096 --> 00:54:27,663
He name is actually
in among the leaves.
1044
00:54:27,665 --> 00:54:31,333
And so, we figure she's the most
reproduced fine artist
1045
00:54:31,335 --> 00:54:33,068
In the history of the world.
1046
00:54:33,070 --> 00:54:35,137
-The second that someone
said, "the only way
1047
00:54:35,139 --> 00:54:36,872
You're gonna make this work"
is to put your face
1048
00:54:36,874 --> 00:54:41,644
On the label, that's the second
the money went to charity.
1049
00:54:44,381 --> 00:54:46,348
-I think that you have a choice
1050
00:54:46,350 --> 00:54:48,984
About what you're gonna
do your life with success.
1051
00:54:48,986 --> 00:54:52,521
Some people want to further
it or you want to stop
1052
00:54:52,523 --> 00:54:55,257
And say, "look,
I don't need that much."
1053
00:54:55,259 --> 00:54:56,825
I would get more satisfaction
1054
00:54:56,827 --> 00:55:00,462
If I can create some kind
of a mechanism
1055
00:55:00,464 --> 00:55:03,565
To give other people an
opportunity they may not have.
1056
00:55:03,567 --> 00:55:08,103
Paul chose the camp
for sick kids.
1057
00:55:08,105 --> 00:55:10,205
-We have five
in the United States.
1058
00:55:10,207 --> 00:55:11,507
We have one in ireland,
1059
00:55:11,509 --> 00:55:13,809
One in France,
one in the south of England.
1060
00:55:13,811 --> 00:55:17,980
I think this year,
we had 13,000 kids in camp --
1061
00:55:17,982 --> 00:55:19,815
All of it free.
1062
00:55:22,952 --> 00:55:25,587
-Paul was precise.
So was jim.
1063
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:28,724
I mean, these are two very
professional road racers,
1064
00:55:28,726 --> 00:55:32,661
And both wanted to beat
each other with a passion.
1065
00:55:35,198 --> 00:55:38,567
There were times
when fitzy would dive-bomb paul.
1066
00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:42,471
There was also times
where "honor the senior friend
1067
00:55:42,473 --> 00:55:44,340
Who helps all of this happen."
1068
00:55:44,342 --> 00:55:47,676
So it wasn't an, "after you,
alphonse," kind of a deal.
1069
00:55:47,678 --> 00:55:53,215
Yet I think paul would put
together more consistent laps
1070
00:55:53,217 --> 00:55:56,852
To have a little bit
of an edge on fitzy.
1071
00:55:58,755 --> 00:56:02,624
-The battle shaping up -- paul
and fitzy battling for the lead.
1072
00:56:02,626 --> 00:56:04,727
He's got fitzgerald
right on his tail.
1073
00:56:04,729 --> 00:56:07,496
And, sure,
paul knows and likes fitzy.
1074
00:56:07,498 --> 00:56:09,231
Theirs is one
of the oldest friendships
1075
00:56:09,233 --> 00:56:10,499
In the sport.
1076
00:56:10,501 --> 00:56:13,235
Last lap -- the pace
has not slackened.
1077
00:56:13,237 --> 00:56:15,637
Jim fitzgerald
has pushed hard the whole way,
1078
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:18,741
But newman hasn't faltered,
nor has his car.
1079
00:56:18,743 --> 00:56:20,776
It looks like he's going
to win this one the way
1080
00:56:20,778 --> 00:56:25,047
He won his last national
championship back in '79 --
1081
00:56:25,049 --> 00:56:26,849
Wire-to-wire.
1082
00:56:37,994 --> 00:56:43,265
-I mean, I never heard him lord
over people, "I won this race."
1083
00:56:43,267 --> 00:56:44,633
He would say,
"I was very lucky. "
1084
00:56:44,635 --> 00:56:46,368
You know,
"when we were doing this,
1085
00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:48,337
I was fortunate enough
to have this crew --"
1086
00:56:48,339 --> 00:56:50,472
Whatever it might be.
1087
00:56:50,474 --> 00:56:53,275
I wouldn't see him today
tweeting out victories
1088
00:56:53,277 --> 00:56:55,377
Or sending facebook pictures.
1089
00:56:55,379 --> 00:56:56,779
You know,
it just makes me laugh.
1090
00:56:56,781 --> 00:57:00,649
It's that sort
of stoic, american way.
1091
00:57:09,893 --> 00:57:13,695
-I like the kind of racing
where there's no spectators.
1092
00:57:13,697 --> 00:57:16,432
That seems
like a rather sour thing to say,
1093
00:57:16,434 --> 00:57:19,768
But that's
when I have the most fun.
1094
00:57:25,575 --> 00:57:28,210
-Just flip it up,
and it'll take a little less
1095
00:57:28,212 --> 00:57:30,546
Drain off before you start it.
1096
00:57:34,617 --> 00:57:40,222
-Paul had a desire
to go out to tracks
1097
00:57:40,224 --> 00:57:46,695
And run cars during periods
when he was making films.
1098
00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:51,934
-When paul did "the color
of money" with tom...
1099
00:57:51,936 --> 00:57:53,101
-Pretty damn good.
1100
00:57:53,103 --> 00:57:54,636
-Not bad for a blind man.
1101
00:57:54,638 --> 00:57:56,905
-...After days of filming,
he would go find
1102
00:57:56,907 --> 00:57:59,741
Some little 1/8-of-a-mile dirt
track or something
1103
00:57:59,743 --> 00:58:02,544
And take a few laps
to blow off the steam.
1104
00:58:02,546 --> 00:58:05,247
He had so much fun, he said,
"hey, tom, why don't you come on
1105
00:58:05,249 --> 00:58:06,615
Out with me and have some fun
1106
00:58:06,617 --> 00:58:08,317
Running around this little
racetrack?"
1107
00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:09,685
Well, tom had a ball.
1108
00:58:09,687 --> 00:58:11,687
So paul called me up,
and he said, "do you think
1109
00:58:11,689 --> 00:58:15,591
Nissan would make a showroom
stock car available for tom?"
1110
00:58:15,593 --> 00:58:19,361
The demographic for tom for all
of our sponsors was terrific.
1111
00:58:19,363 --> 00:58:21,630
So, absolutely,
nissan was interested.
1112
00:58:21,632 --> 00:58:25,901
-He's been up in f-15s so
he knows what that...
1113
00:58:25,903 --> 00:58:29,538
You know, what the big
roller coaster is like.
1114
00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:31,773
I think he was probably
more excited by the driving
1115
00:58:31,775 --> 00:58:34,510
Than he was by the flying.
1116
00:58:34,512 --> 00:58:36,645
-Of course, that car
had a sudden death
1117
00:58:36,647 --> 00:58:39,181
At watkins glen
at about 80 miles an hour
1118
00:58:39,183 --> 00:58:41,650
Into the guardrail.
1119
00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:45,454
Tom wanted to win immediately,
and I did everything I could.
1120
00:58:45,456 --> 00:58:46,722
I had a lot of fun with tom,
1121
00:58:46,724 --> 00:58:49,157
But I tried to get
him to have the patience,
1122
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:51,693
And many times, you know,
he was racing against
1123
00:58:51,695 --> 00:58:53,829
People who had
ten years' experience on him.
1124
00:58:53,831 --> 00:58:56,398
Well, tom won a couple of races
during the year,
1125
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,934
So he had the potential
of doing very well.
1126
00:58:58,936 --> 00:59:01,637
But he'd tried to cover up
a mistake immediately,
1127
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:03,805
Which often got him
into a bigger mistake.
1128
00:59:03,807 --> 00:59:06,275
-He's off the track.
He's trying to correct.
1129
00:59:06,277 --> 00:59:08,944
-It's 90% mental, 10% physical.
1130
00:59:08,946 --> 00:59:12,347
The discipline, you know,
plays such a key part.
1131
00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:13,849
That's the most challenging,
definitely.
1132
00:59:13,851 --> 00:59:15,851
I really haven't had the amount
of time
1133
00:59:15,853 --> 00:59:19,154
That I need to really form
a relationship with the car
1134
00:59:19,156 --> 00:59:24,026
And understand what it's gonna
do under extreme conditions.
1135
00:59:24,028 --> 00:59:25,661
-Paul pulled him aside.
1136
00:59:25,663 --> 00:59:28,430
We sent him to fitzy a half
a dozen times
1137
00:59:28,432 --> 00:59:29,831
Down to road atlanta,
1138
00:59:29,833 --> 00:59:33,001
'cause here's the chief
instructor uncle fitzy,
1139
00:59:33,003 --> 00:59:34,369
And fitzy loved tom.
1140
00:59:34,371 --> 00:59:35,837
They got along very, very well.
1141
00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:39,241
And we put together his showroom
stock two different classes,
1142
00:59:39,243 --> 00:59:45,347
Which led to tom doing the film,
"days of thunder."
1143
00:59:46,816 --> 00:59:50,152
The second year, at pocono,
tom got into a problem
1144
00:59:50,154 --> 00:59:52,888
On the bow
and instead of spinning the car,
1145
00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:55,424
He corrected, and it went
into the guardrail
1146
00:59:55,426 --> 00:59:57,559
At about 130 miles an hour.
1147
00:59:57,561 --> 01:00:00,329
I think that was maybe the time
1148
01:00:00,331 --> 01:00:02,564
When mimi and tom
had a discussion
1149
01:00:02,566 --> 01:00:06,935
That maybe the two years
of racing was enough.
1150
01:00:06,937 --> 01:00:10,339
In a way, we were sorry
to see tom not stay with racing,
1151
01:00:10,341 --> 01:00:15,377
But we have also were happy
to see him retire unhurt.
1152
01:00:19,415 --> 01:00:21,583
-Whoo!
1153
01:00:21,585 --> 01:00:23,585
-There was no doubt who the star
1154
01:00:23,587 --> 01:00:27,055
Of the 1986 valvoline road
racing classic was.
1155
01:00:27,057 --> 01:00:30,592
It's newman's fourth
national championship.
1156
01:00:30,594 --> 01:00:31,960
I guess he's on a bit of a roll.
1157
01:00:31,962 --> 01:00:34,630
-Newman, who's known
as a serious racer driver,
1158
01:00:34,632 --> 01:00:38,533
Won the road atlanta gt1
national championship.
1159
01:00:38,535 --> 01:00:41,169
-So, I'm getting a little long
in the tooth.
1160
01:00:41,171 --> 01:00:43,839
It's nice.
The young princes are coming up.
1161
01:00:43,841 --> 01:00:47,676
And it's time to let somebody
else sit on the chair up here.
1162
01:00:47,678 --> 01:00:50,512
-Paul newman, the winner.
The popcorn's a winner.
1163
01:00:50,514 --> 01:00:53,048
Maybe he'll get an oscar
this year.
1164
01:00:53,050 --> 01:00:56,418
-The pressure
to win grew as he did win,
1165
01:00:56,420 --> 01:00:58,620
And people expected him
to win again,
1166
01:00:58,622 --> 01:01:02,157
And he had to force the issue
quite a few times.
1167
01:01:04,293 --> 01:01:08,263
-When I went to the road atlanta
for the runoffs my first year
1168
01:01:08,265 --> 01:01:09,665
Is when I first paul newman.
1169
01:01:09,667 --> 01:01:11,767
He was clean most of the time,
1170
01:01:11,769 --> 01:01:13,669
But it just seemed
that there were times
1171
01:01:13,671 --> 01:01:15,837
When he didn't qualify well
that he didn't deal
1172
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:17,973
With that very well, and he knew
he had a very fast car.
1173
01:01:17,975 --> 01:01:19,675
So there were times
when he would sort
1174
01:01:19,677 --> 01:01:21,576
Of give it a real charge
at the start
1175
01:01:21,578 --> 01:01:24,946
And try to maybe "pass more cars
before turn 1" kind of a thing.
1176
01:01:24,948 --> 01:01:27,783
That's usually
where the problems happened.
1177
01:01:27,785 --> 01:01:30,318
-And here comes a thundering
herd with newman in front.
1178
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:31,853
-Newman on the inside.
-Uh-oh!
1179
01:01:31,855 --> 01:01:35,223
Newman and herb here tangle
and try out a tire barrier.
1180
01:01:35,225 --> 01:01:37,959
-And there as herb tried
to turn into the corner,
there was newman.
1181
01:01:37,961 --> 01:01:40,495
But I'm not convinced either one
would've made the turn.
1182
01:01:40,497 --> 01:01:42,964
-I guess our paths really
crossed in an official capacity
1183
01:01:42,966 --> 01:01:45,734
When we were both racing
professionally in the '80s
1184
01:01:45,736 --> 01:01:46,968
In the trans-am series.
1185
01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:48,870
And to literally say
our paths crossed,
1186
01:01:48,872 --> 01:01:51,907
It was when we kind of crashed
into each other.
1187
01:01:56,579 --> 01:01:58,113
But he remembered it,
1188
01:01:58,115 --> 01:02:01,049
Because when he gave me a ride
on his scooter
1189
01:02:01,051 --> 01:02:04,753
On the way to our cars
on the pit lane, almost 15, 20
1190
01:02:04,755 --> 01:02:07,989
Years later, I asked him
to autograph that photograph.
1191
01:02:07,991 --> 01:02:10,792
And when he did, he wrote,
"rear-ended again."
1192
01:02:10,794 --> 01:02:13,328
So I'm like,
I think he remembered...
1193
01:02:13,330 --> 01:02:14,730
-Yeah.
-...Those times,
1194
01:02:14,732 --> 01:02:17,365
You know, in the past.
1195
01:02:17,367 --> 01:02:20,268
-I don't know.
-Are we ready?
1196
01:02:22,872 --> 01:02:26,441
-Racing against him,
he wouldn't give you any room.
1197
01:02:26,443 --> 01:02:29,044
You had to work for it.
1198
01:02:29,046 --> 01:02:32,114
But he knew the reality
in that sport.
1199
01:02:32,116 --> 01:02:36,518
You can, at the minimum,
get hurt real bad --
1200
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,187
At the minimum.
1201
01:02:42,825 --> 01:02:45,627
-We ran jim basically
in the southeast,
1202
01:02:45,629 --> 01:02:46,995
And we ran in the northeast.
1203
01:02:46,997 --> 01:02:50,265
Now, at a few races --
mid-ohio maybe,
1204
01:02:50,267 --> 01:02:51,600
Elkhart lake, wisconsin,
1205
01:02:51,602 --> 01:02:54,836
Road atlanta --
we'd all come together.
1206
01:02:54,838 --> 01:02:58,507
We were racing two trans-am cars
at st. Petersburg.
1207
01:02:58,509 --> 01:03:00,075
Paul was ahead of fitzy.
1208
01:03:00,077 --> 01:03:02,477
-Elliot forbes-robinson
of the number-11 porsche,
1209
01:03:02,479 --> 01:03:03,779
And paul newman
1210
01:03:03,781 --> 01:03:05,680
Who moved up from sixth to fifth
at the start.
1211
01:03:05,682 --> 01:03:07,883
-And fitzy came
down the straightaway
1212
01:03:07,885 --> 01:03:10,051
And never braked for turn 1.
1213
01:03:10,053 --> 01:03:12,821
-There you see jim fitzgerald
in the number 38 nissan.
1214
01:03:12,823 --> 01:03:14,523
-It looks like he clipped
the wall on the outside there,
1215
01:03:14,525 --> 01:03:17,492
As you can see it on the left,
and spun violently
into that wall.
1216
01:03:17,494 --> 01:03:20,495
That's a very dangerous part
of this track, actually.
1217
01:03:20,497 --> 01:03:22,063
-He hit the jersey barrier
1218
01:03:22,065 --> 01:03:25,700
And careened backwards
and went into the second one
1219
01:03:25,702 --> 01:03:28,170
From whatever speed
to zero in two feet.
1220
01:03:28,172 --> 01:03:30,772
-You can see jim fitzgerald
still inside the car
1221
01:03:30,774 --> 01:03:32,207
And not moving.
1222
01:03:32,209 --> 01:03:34,776
-He broke his neck
when he hit the second barrier,
1223
01:03:34,778 --> 01:03:37,679
So he was probably dead
instantly.
1224
01:03:37,681 --> 01:03:39,915
-How did paul do in that race?
1225
01:03:39,917 --> 01:03:42,717
-He ran a couple laps
and pulled in.
1226
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:46,121
-He couldn't continue?
-No, he couldn't continue.
1227
01:04:16,085 --> 01:04:20,088
-Now, you know, we
have some go-karts over there.
1228
01:04:20,090 --> 01:04:23,959
-Nbc has these long studios,
and they're all empty.
1229
01:04:23,961 --> 01:04:27,395
So the hallway
goes for 1/4 mile that way,
1230
01:04:27,397 --> 01:04:28,797
Go right, 1/4 mile back.
1231
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:31,533
I said, "let's get
some go-karts, and we'll race."
1232
01:04:31,535 --> 01:04:33,268
There's your car right there.
1233
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:36,471
So I'm practicing all day,
and I'm, "this will be easy."
1234
01:04:36,473 --> 01:04:37,606
You know, newman comes in,
1235
01:04:37,608 --> 01:04:39,975
Looks at it,
and he just gets that...
1236
01:04:39,977 --> 01:04:43,545
When you see that racer glance,
which I obviously do not have.
1237
01:04:43,547 --> 01:04:46,848
-Paul, do you have any advice
or otherwise for your man here?
1238
01:04:46,850 --> 01:04:50,051
-Pray for your life.
1239
01:04:50,053 --> 01:04:53,955
-He gets in the car and...Zing!
1240
01:04:53,957 --> 01:04:56,992
I mean, just a master driver.
1241
01:04:56,994 --> 01:04:59,127
He jut had that innate ability,
1242
01:04:59,129 --> 01:05:01,162
Which is frustrating
for people like me,
1243
01:05:01,164 --> 01:05:04,466
Who love this but realize
I don't have the skill.
1244
01:05:04,468 --> 01:05:06,935
I don't have the ability,
but he really did.
1245
01:05:06,937 --> 01:05:10,872
I mean, he beat
me so horrendously bad --
1246
01:05:10,874 --> 01:05:14,542
Killed me, just killed me.
1247
01:05:14,544 --> 01:05:17,178
-Paul newman manages to win.
1248
01:05:20,316 --> 01:05:25,020
-This bud's for the
paul newman can-am racing team.
1249
01:05:30,293 --> 01:05:34,462
-The can-am series
was pretty much ending,
1250
01:05:34,464 --> 01:05:35,997
And he had a team,
1251
01:05:35,999 --> 01:05:40,669
So I suggested that maybe he
would partner with carl haas.
1252
01:05:40,671 --> 01:05:42,904
-I raced against paul newman.
1253
01:05:42,906 --> 01:05:46,775
I had a race team at that time
in the can-am series,
1254
01:05:46,777 --> 01:05:49,044
And paul had a team.
1255
01:05:49,046 --> 01:05:51,379
We weren't particularly friends.
1256
01:05:51,381 --> 01:05:52,647
-If we were in politics,
1257
01:05:52,649 --> 01:05:55,116
We'd probably be
castor and rumsfeld.
1258
01:05:55,118 --> 01:05:58,586
-Carl was the importer
of the lola cars.
1259
01:05:58,588 --> 01:06:00,055
Paul was the customer.
1260
01:06:00,057 --> 01:06:02,457
-The cars were always
delivered late and over weight.
1261
01:06:02,459 --> 01:06:07,062
-Paul was accusing carl
of selling him heavy cars,
1262
01:06:07,064 --> 01:06:09,831
And, you know, not giving him
any sort of an advantage
1263
01:06:09,833 --> 01:06:13,401
Because carl was
competing against him.
1264
01:06:15,104 --> 01:06:19,140
-For 1982, I wanted to get
my ending program together.
1265
01:06:19,142 --> 01:06:21,376
And what you really
need if you want to be
1266
01:06:21,378 --> 01:06:25,146
Successful in this thing
is you need a good driver.
1267
01:06:25,148 --> 01:06:26,381
You need a top driver
1268
01:06:26,383 --> 01:06:29,150
And then the rest of will
come to you easier.
1269
01:06:29,152 --> 01:06:32,988
-I was used a little bit
to bring the team together.
1270
01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:34,956
Carl was pretty smart about it.
1271
01:06:34,958 --> 01:06:38,326
What he did is he hired me
to drive his formula 4,
1272
01:06:38,328 --> 01:06:41,162
And in doing so,
he had my dad now at the races,
1273
01:06:41,164 --> 01:06:46,134
So in the background,
he got closer to my father.
1274
01:06:46,136 --> 01:06:48,436
-He was world champion
on formula 1.
1275
01:06:48,438 --> 01:06:52,874
He won races in nascar racing,
he won races in dirt tracks,
1276
01:06:52,876 --> 01:06:57,746
He won races in indy cars,
he won the indy 500.
1277
01:06:57,748 --> 01:07:00,015
He was the best in the world.
1278
01:07:00,017 --> 01:07:02,617
-I wanted to be part
of a different team
1279
01:07:02,619 --> 01:07:04,419
After the '82 season.
1280
01:07:04,421 --> 01:07:08,656
I said, "carl, what about,"
I said, "a partnership with,
1281
01:07:08,658 --> 01:07:09,858
Like, paul newman?"
1282
01:07:09,860 --> 01:07:11,292
"oh, yeah, yeah.
1283
01:07:11,294 --> 01:07:14,429
I mean, carl, you know,
jumped on that immediately.
1284
01:07:14,431 --> 01:07:18,199
-I won a can-am series dive,
carl called and said,
1285
01:07:18,201 --> 01:07:21,870
"how would you like to start
an open-wheel racing team?"
1286
01:07:21,872 --> 01:07:24,172
I said, "not a chance in hell,
carl."
1287
01:07:24,174 --> 01:07:27,175
He said, "what if mario
was driving?"
1288
01:07:27,177 --> 01:07:31,079
I said, "where would you like
to meet?"
1289
01:07:31,081 --> 01:07:33,782
It wasn't just
that he was a fierce competitor,
1290
01:07:33,784 --> 01:07:37,052
There was a real joy
and delight.
1291
01:07:37,054 --> 01:07:39,587
The way
he got in that car, I mean,
1292
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:44,059
He just snuggled up to it
like a really good-looking lady,
1293
01:07:44,061 --> 01:07:48,163
And he enjoyed everything
about it.
1294
01:07:50,266 --> 01:07:54,536
-When we first started off,
he had a lola car built for us
1295
01:07:56,572 --> 01:07:59,474
And we took the car out racing
to begin with, those first few
1296
01:07:59,476 --> 01:08:03,912
Races in indianapolis,
and the car was really bad.
1297
01:08:03,914 --> 01:08:06,147
Mario had a crash at indy.
1298
01:08:06,149 --> 01:08:07,615
-He's just --
-uh-oh!
1299
01:08:07,617 --> 01:08:11,086
-That's the yellow car,
johnny parsons, mario andretti.
1300
01:08:11,088 --> 01:08:13,955
-Oh, no, mario.
-Andretti he hit the wall.
1301
01:08:13,957 --> 01:08:16,257
-So we had a bad time.
1302
01:08:21,163 --> 01:08:23,364
-Carl was all business.
1303
01:08:23,366 --> 01:08:27,102
The guy
that would do anything necessary
1304
01:08:27,104 --> 01:08:29,270
To get the basic ingredients,
1305
01:08:29,272 --> 01:08:31,840
The best pit boss,
the best engineer, you know,
1306
01:08:31,842 --> 01:08:33,641
The best driver,
the best everything
1307
01:08:33,643 --> 01:08:36,678
As far as running the team.
1308
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:37,946
-Yeah!
1309
01:08:37,948 --> 01:08:41,950
-The flying frenchman
has done it again.
1310
01:08:41,952 --> 01:08:43,685
-You can't even
describe carl haas.
1311
01:08:43,687 --> 01:08:48,189
He was that guy who had been
in the racing business forever,
1312
01:08:48,191 --> 01:08:52,327
Who was very mystic, you know,
was blessing the cars
1313
01:08:52,329 --> 01:08:55,630
Before the race,
and paul being so candid
1314
01:08:55,632 --> 01:08:59,534
About, you know, racing
and just, you know, enjoying it.
1315
01:08:59,536 --> 01:09:02,704
-Paul was the guy
that would just keep everything
1316
01:09:02,706 --> 01:09:04,105
Under control, if you will.
1317
01:09:04,107 --> 01:09:06,307
If I had a misunderstanding
with carl,
1318
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:11,112
Paul would always be the one to
come in and smooth things out.
1319
01:09:11,114 --> 01:09:13,281
-19-year-old graham rahal
1320
01:09:13,283 --> 01:09:16,284
In his first indy-car series
start will win,
1321
01:09:16,286 --> 01:09:20,421
The honda grand prix
at st. Pete.
1322
01:09:20,423 --> 01:09:23,291
-He was always that type
of owner that wasn't really
1323
01:09:23,293 --> 01:09:24,993
A boss, just more of a friend,
1324
01:09:24,995 --> 01:09:28,096
And I just loved being
around him.
1325
01:09:28,098 --> 01:09:30,131
-He was really good
to drive for,
1326
01:09:30,133 --> 01:09:31,900
'cause he understood
the pressures
1327
01:09:31,902 --> 01:09:34,402
That the drivers were under.
1328
01:09:36,572 --> 01:09:39,574
He would let his guys
do what they do best.
1329
01:09:39,576 --> 01:09:43,444
-With a very consistent
engineering office,
1330
01:09:43,446 --> 01:09:47,248
Mechanics mostly stayed the same
for the five years I was there.
1331
01:09:47,250 --> 01:09:50,218
So it was just a very
well-sorted team.
1332
01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:52,253
-Those four years
that we were together before I
1333
01:09:52,255 --> 01:09:55,657
Left for formula 1 were probably
my favorite times of racing.
1334
01:09:55,659 --> 01:09:59,961
I really felt like it was
a family team from paul and carl
1335
01:09:59,963 --> 01:10:02,263
To, I mean, obviously,
dad and myself.
1336
01:10:02,265 --> 01:10:05,867
I mean,
it was just a perfect situation.
1337
01:10:05,869 --> 01:10:08,970
-5,000 people here for andretti.
1338
01:10:08,972 --> 01:10:11,206
His first victory at long beach.
1339
01:10:11,208 --> 01:10:13,942
There's even hugging
and kissing going on.
1340
01:10:13,944 --> 01:10:15,877
-During the first couple years
or so,
1341
01:10:15,879 --> 01:10:17,178
Paul and I weren't real close,
1342
01:10:17,180 --> 01:10:19,981
But I think we came closer
as time went by.
1343
01:10:19,983 --> 01:10:24,018
-I had the longest stint
in my career for a single team
1344
01:10:24,020 --> 01:10:26,287
By driving for paul newman
and carl haas.
1345
01:10:26,289 --> 01:10:29,257
-You couldn't find
any more opposite people
1346
01:10:29,259 --> 01:10:31,159
To work together and form one
1347
01:10:31,161 --> 01:10:34,329
Of the best race teams
in america ever.
1348
01:10:34,331 --> 01:10:37,966
-Michael andretti, as he
receives the congratulations
1349
01:10:37,968 --> 01:10:39,634
Of his pit crew.
1350
01:10:39,636 --> 01:10:42,637
-This day is all about
cristiano de matta,
1351
01:10:42,639 --> 01:10:45,640
Who has clinched
the championship.
1352
01:10:45,642 --> 01:10:49,277
-And there is the checkered flag
for nigel mansell.
1353
01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:51,346
-Here comes paul newman now.
1354
01:10:51,348 --> 01:10:54,515
I think you get the idea of
how much it means to this team.
1355
01:10:54,517 --> 01:10:59,487
-This man in 2004 and again
in 2005 is the series champion.
1356
01:10:59,489 --> 01:11:02,323
-The frenchman
sebastien bourdais
1357
01:11:02,325 --> 01:11:05,260
Is going to do something
nobody's done before --
1358
01:11:05,262 --> 01:11:09,564
Four straight champ car titles.
1359
01:11:22,544 --> 01:11:26,214
-Will we ever paul newman
or another racing film
1360
01:11:26,216 --> 01:11:27,682
Like "winning"
maybe again some day?
1361
01:11:27,684 --> 01:11:30,418
-I've been looking for a script,
a good script, for 12 years,
1362
01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:33,521
And I have not been
able to find one.
1363
01:11:36,659 --> 01:11:41,029
-I was determined, even though
it was an animated film
1364
01:11:41,031 --> 01:11:43,298
With cars as the characters.
1365
01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:46,267
But I wanted it to be authentic.
1366
01:11:46,269 --> 01:11:48,469
I wanted the racing
to be authentic.
1367
01:11:48,471 --> 01:11:50,438
I wanted the pit
stops to be authentic.
1368
01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:55,043
As they talk about the racing,
I wanted it to be authentic.
1369
01:11:55,045 --> 01:11:56,577
I've always been
a big paul newman fan,
1370
01:11:56,579 --> 01:12:00,448
But also, I was very aware
that he was really
1371
01:12:00,450 --> 01:12:02,583
Quite a talented
race car driver.
1372
01:12:02,585 --> 01:12:05,586
And we started thinking,
"I wonder if paul newman
1373
01:12:05,588 --> 01:12:08,389
Would be willing to do a voice
in our film."
1374
01:12:08,391 --> 01:12:10,358
-If I want him out
of my court room,
1375
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,193
I want him out of our town.
1376
01:12:12,195 --> 01:12:14,262
-I mean, this is
like shooting for the moon.
1377
01:12:14,264 --> 01:12:16,831
I mean, paul newman,
the greatest american actor.
1378
01:12:16,833 --> 01:12:19,467
You know, I'm always like,
"well, let's give it a try.
1379
01:12:19,469 --> 01:12:21,736
I mean, the worst
is he'll say 'no.'"
1380
01:12:21,738 --> 01:12:24,305
And soon after that,
we got the word that, yes,
1381
01:12:24,307 --> 01:12:26,074
He would love to do this.
1382
01:12:26,076 --> 01:12:28,609
He's really smart,
1383
01:12:28,611 --> 01:12:31,479
And what he loved about it
was the history.
1384
01:12:31,481 --> 01:12:33,548
And we started talking
about the hudson 1,
1385
01:12:33,550 --> 01:12:38,419
And he started giving me
his knowledge and memory of it,
1386
01:12:38,421 --> 01:12:41,656
And how it influenced
modern cars and so on.
1387
01:12:41,658 --> 01:12:45,226
One of the great things
about paul newman
1388
01:12:45,228 --> 01:12:47,862
Is his knowledge of racing.
1389
01:12:47,864 --> 01:12:51,899
And his knowledge of racing
helped make the character
1390
01:12:51,901 --> 01:12:53,368
Of doc hudson in "cars"
1391
01:12:53,370 --> 01:12:56,170
A much deeper
and much more complex character.
1392
01:12:56,172 --> 01:12:57,505
-Look at those trophies!
-You look,
1393
01:12:57,507 --> 01:13:01,876
All I see is a bunch
of empty cups.
1394
01:13:01,878 --> 01:13:08,216
-There's just a quality when he
gets into the joy of racing.
1395
01:13:08,218 --> 01:13:10,885
There's words he uses,
phrases he uses.
1396
01:13:10,887 --> 01:13:16,724
And if you watch doc hudson
in "cars," it's paul.
1397
01:13:16,726 --> 01:13:20,395
-All right, you can drive
as good as you can fix a road.
1398
01:13:20,397 --> 01:13:22,663
-He's getting excited
with lightning mcqueen
1399
01:13:22,665 --> 01:13:26,567
On the track in the final race,
and he just goes, "hot snot!
1400
01:13:26,569 --> 01:13:29,036
We're back in business!"
-hot snot!
1401
01:13:29,038 --> 01:13:30,304
We are back in business.
1402
01:13:30,306 --> 01:13:33,574
-That was so funny,
and it was pure him.
1403
01:13:33,576 --> 01:13:37,812
We had the scene
where he is teaching
1404
01:13:37,814 --> 01:13:39,614
Lighting mcqueen
to drive on dirt,
1405
01:13:39,616 --> 01:13:43,518
And as I talked to these guys
who drive on dirt,
1406
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,155
There's a term they use,
which we loved,
1407
01:13:47,157 --> 01:13:50,625
Is that you turn right
to go left.
1408
01:13:50,627 --> 01:13:53,161
-If you're going hard enough
left,
1409
01:13:53,163 --> 01:13:54,595
You'll find
yourself turning right.
1410
01:13:54,597 --> 01:13:57,932
-He says, "no, you don't just
turn right to go left.
1411
01:13:57,934 --> 01:14:02,069
If you just turn the wheel,
you're gonna go that direction.
1412
01:14:02,071 --> 01:14:03,838
You got to break it loose,
1413
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,275
And then you start steering
into the turn."
1414
01:14:07,277 --> 01:14:09,744
And he really was defining it,
1415
01:14:09,746 --> 01:14:11,345
And if you watch the movie,
1416
01:14:11,347 --> 01:14:13,648
That's exactly
what doc hudson says.
1417
01:14:13,650 --> 01:14:16,317
-You got to pitch it hard,
break it loose,
1418
01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:18,653
And just drive it
with the throttle.
1419
01:14:18,655 --> 01:14:20,621
-And it's great,
'cause autoweek magazine
1420
01:14:20,623 --> 01:14:23,157
Called it
the best car movie ever
1421
01:14:23,159 --> 01:14:26,127
Because of all the details
and how we got it right.
1422
01:14:26,129 --> 01:14:30,131
And that is in great part
to paul newman, and,
1423
01:14:30,133 --> 01:14:31,532
You know, what he gave to us.
1424
01:14:31,534 --> 01:14:36,103
And he knew we were striving
to be authentic.
1425
01:14:36,105 --> 01:14:37,538
And he was there for us
1426
01:14:37,540 --> 01:14:40,475
And shared his enthusiasm
for racing,
1427
01:14:40,477 --> 01:14:43,878
His passion for racing,
his knowledge of racing.
1428
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,815
And he wanted that in the movie,
and it's there.
1429
01:14:47,817 --> 01:14:50,751
-You got a lot of stuff, kid.
1430
01:14:55,591 --> 01:14:57,992
-We got this for paul newman.
1431
01:14:59,928 --> 01:15:04,065
We wish him very good luck
and many more races.
1432
01:15:08,136 --> 01:15:10,505
-It's gonna be very hard
to quit,
1433
01:15:10,507 --> 01:15:13,441
But, at some point,
you lose your endurance.
1434
01:15:13,443 --> 01:15:14,775
Boy, in the middle of July,
1435
01:15:14,777 --> 01:15:17,812
And it's 130,
140 degrees in that car --
1436
01:15:17,814 --> 01:15:20,781
I'll tell you, it takes it
out of you pretty quickly.
1437
01:15:20,783 --> 01:15:26,354
-He semi-retired, and he bought
one of our nissan turbo cars.
1438
01:15:26,356 --> 01:15:27,855
He was, at that point,
1439
01:15:27,857 --> 01:15:30,525
Ready to do tuesdays
at lime rock for fun.
1440
01:15:30,527 --> 01:15:32,560
Well, he had so much fun
doing that
1441
01:15:32,562 --> 01:15:34,495
That he decided
to race it seriously.
1442
01:15:34,497 --> 01:15:37,465
I said, "well, paul,
if you want to race a lot,
1443
01:15:37,467 --> 01:15:41,135
Why don't you
buy a ex-trans-am car?"
1444
01:15:41,137 --> 01:15:42,670
-It's a trans-am tried car,
1445
01:15:42,672 --> 01:15:46,707
Two-year frame,
a lot of horsepower --
1446
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:49,877
We get around the course
in under a minute.
1447
01:15:54,516 --> 01:15:56,517
To know that you've done a lap
1448
01:15:56,519 --> 01:15:59,520
Where you put everything
together a couple, three,
1449
01:15:59,522 --> 01:16:03,424
Four times in a row,
that's exciting.
1450
01:16:03,426 --> 01:16:06,060
And especially when you
get to be my age,
1451
01:16:06,062 --> 01:16:09,897
It's just a privilege
to be able to sit in that car.
1452
01:16:13,602 --> 01:16:16,504
-His last couple
of races were here,
1453
01:16:16,506 --> 01:16:18,439
And one of them was in the rain.
1454
01:16:18,441 --> 01:16:20,207
And he was just brilliant.
1455
01:16:20,209 --> 01:16:21,642
I mean, he was 82.
1456
01:16:21,644 --> 01:16:24,145
The car number was his age.
1457
01:16:27,015 --> 01:16:32,053
-Paul ran against a whole bunch
of trans-am quality drivers
1458
01:16:32,055 --> 01:16:33,988
And beat them.
1459
01:16:49,471 --> 01:16:51,472
-That was the last car he raced.
1460
01:16:51,474 --> 01:16:53,874
So, paul ran up until he was 83.
1461
01:16:53,876 --> 01:16:57,878
-I think the fact that he
made something of himself
1462
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,581
When the odds
seemed to be against it
1463
01:17:00,583 --> 01:17:03,784
Is an outstanding feat.
1464
01:17:03,786 --> 01:17:10,224
-He was very specific
on what he wanted to do in life,
1465
01:17:10,226 --> 01:17:13,461
And this was a big part of it.
1466
01:17:13,463 --> 01:17:16,631
-He excelled at acting,
very good at racing,
1467
01:17:16,633 --> 01:17:17,999
And an all-around decent guy.
1468
01:17:18,001 --> 01:17:21,502
-I mean, it's that classic
red-blooded american boy
1469
01:17:21,504 --> 01:17:23,771
Who tried hard and didn't,
1470
01:17:23,773 --> 01:17:26,574
You know, always try to have
the spotlight on himself.
1471
01:17:26,576 --> 01:17:27,842
But then when he won,
1472
01:17:27,844 --> 01:17:31,045
It was
"oh, he won this on his own."
1473
01:17:31,047 --> 01:17:32,980
-Whoo!
1474
01:17:37,519 --> 01:17:40,388
-He just had
this magnificent quality,
1475
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:42,723
You know, as a human being.
1476
01:17:42,725 --> 01:17:47,662
As a human being,
he was a terrific, terrific man.
1477
01:17:47,664 --> 01:17:50,264
-Paul's legacy
really is all the charities
1478
01:17:50,266 --> 01:17:51,565
And all the cancer kids
1479
01:17:51,567 --> 01:17:54,535
And the wonderful things
that he supported.
1480
01:17:54,537 --> 01:17:57,672
You know, paul sprinkled
his winnings and success
1481
01:17:57,674 --> 01:17:59,907
And profits
from his food company
1482
01:17:59,909 --> 01:18:02,910
All around the world
to help a lot of deserved people
1483
01:18:02,912 --> 01:18:04,779
That wouldn't
have been helped otherwise.
1484
01:18:04,781 --> 01:18:08,082
I know that for him, you know,
one of his happiest moments
1485
01:18:08,084 --> 01:18:10,951
Was when he'd go to the camp
in connecticut, and he built
1486
01:18:10,953 --> 01:18:13,654
Himself a little cabin
on the property,
1487
01:18:13,656 --> 01:18:14,922
And he could go and hide out.
1488
01:18:14,924 --> 01:18:16,857
And the kids had no clue
who he was,
1489
01:18:16,859 --> 01:18:19,860
And that's all it was about
for him.
1490
01:18:25,834 --> 01:18:29,737
-I knew he was sick,
but for some reason,
1491
01:18:29,739 --> 01:18:34,241
I just never felt that anything
could happen to paul.
1492
01:18:36,578 --> 01:18:39,113
-The last race that he came to,
1493
01:18:39,115 --> 01:18:45,786
He made an effort to, like,
sit down and just have a chat.
1494
01:18:45,788 --> 01:18:48,456
He kept staring at me
in the eyes, you know.
1495
01:18:48,458 --> 01:18:49,857
I'll never forget that.
1496
01:18:49,859 --> 01:18:52,126
You know, there was something
like a premonition,
1497
01:18:52,128 --> 01:18:55,863
Like he thought, "this is gonna
be our last conversation."
1498
01:18:55,865 --> 01:18:57,998
-He made a special trip up here.
1499
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,367
He was gonna drive
a few last laps.
1500
01:19:00,369 --> 01:19:02,803
The track was closed that day.
1501
01:19:02,805 --> 01:19:04,939
But he was too weak for that.
1502
01:19:04,941 --> 01:19:07,408
He sat in the back seat
of a station wagon
1503
01:19:07,410 --> 01:19:09,110
And was driven around.
1504
01:19:09,112 --> 01:19:12,513
He knew that was gonna
be his last trip up here
1505
01:19:12,515 --> 01:19:13,948
And it meant a lot him
1506
01:19:13,950 --> 01:19:17,251
To come to this place
where everything had started.
1507
01:19:19,287 --> 01:19:23,724
-He didn't want to have
any visitors at the hospital.
1508
01:19:23,726 --> 01:19:26,627
In his last days, you know,
1509
01:19:26,629 --> 01:19:28,429
I'd have liked
to have gone and seen him,
1510
01:19:28,431 --> 01:19:30,131
But he didn't want that.
1511
01:19:30,133 --> 01:19:33,534
I don't think he wanted anyone
to show any pity.
1512
01:19:33,536 --> 01:19:36,971
I think he had certain disdain
for that.
1513
01:19:36,973 --> 01:19:41,842
I certainly remember my moments,
and they were always precious.
1514
01:19:44,246 --> 01:19:46,881
-I think about him often.
1515
01:19:46,883 --> 01:19:50,684
I spent 15 weekends a year
with the man for 20 years,
1516
01:19:50,686 --> 01:19:53,487
So I knew him pretty well.
1517
01:19:53,489 --> 01:19:55,322
-He was a very special guy,
1518
01:19:55,324 --> 01:20:00,194
And I was very privileged
to have known him
1519
01:20:00,196 --> 01:20:02,797
And been in his life
a little bit, you know?
1520
01:20:02,799 --> 01:20:06,066
-Paul was a unique human being.
1521
01:20:06,068 --> 01:20:09,537
It was a thrill
to call him a friend.
1522
01:20:09,539 --> 01:20:12,606
He was an unbelievably
humble guy,
1523
01:20:12,608 --> 01:20:15,075
Who had a lot
of great ability --
1524
01:20:15,077 --> 01:20:18,312
More than he recognized
in himself.
1525
01:20:20,348 --> 01:20:24,218
In a way, it's a shame he
didn't start 20 years earlier,
1526
01:20:24,220 --> 01:20:28,255
-What, do you feel like he
could have been one of the best?
1527
01:20:28,257 --> 01:20:31,559
-Absolutely, absolutely.
1528
01:20:31,561 --> 01:20:35,496
-What do you miss
about paul newman?
1529
01:20:35,498 --> 01:20:38,399
-Everything about him.
1530
01:20:38,401 --> 01:20:41,268
Every minute.
1531
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:45,773
-They just don't make
them like him anymore.
1532
01:20:45,775 --> 01:20:49,009
They don't make them like that.
1533
01:20:49,011 --> 01:20:53,914
-I think the whole
of paul newman is what I miss.
1534
01:20:53,916 --> 01:20:55,783
-He's one
of those rare individuals
1535
01:20:55,785 --> 01:20:58,819
That can never be replaced
1536
01:20:58,821 --> 01:21:01,922
In any way, shape, or form.
1537
01:21:01,924 --> 01:21:05,826
Everything positive you could
think of about a human being,
1538
01:21:05,828 --> 01:21:08,295
That represented paul newman.
1539
01:21:10,632 --> 01:21:13,734
-I consider myself luckier
than paul
1540
01:21:13,736 --> 01:21:16,437
Because I had paul
for a brother.
1541
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,073
He couldn't say that.
1541
01:21:20,305 --> 01:21:26,153
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