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I was walking downfrom our home to the post office,
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which is about three or four blocks,
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and standing out
in the middle of the street,
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kind of slight built guy...
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I figured he was not an American.
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You could spot Europeans by the shoes.
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They were fashionable leather shoes,not cowboy boots.
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He said, "Do you live here?"
And I said, "Yes, I live here."
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And he says, "They are coming.
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Others are going to be here."
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And he says,"This is going to be a lot of trouble.
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There's going to be many people here."
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And it sounded kind of incredulous.
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Who would expect that, you know,
it could unfold the way it unfolded?
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You couldn't imagine that,
in your dreams, initially, you know?
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Far scarier than anybody
could have ever imagined.
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Antelope was a quiet little spot
in the middle of nowhere.
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Pretty much isolated from everything.
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The city of Antelope...
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...just a sleepy little old townthat was comprised of about 50 people.
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And it was just small, quiet.
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Had a post office.
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The store.
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The old school house.
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And the old church that was in Antelope.
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Antelope, it's definitely quiet.
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Everybody in Antelope
knows everybody else.
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And everybody got along
and everybody helped one another.
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There were community barbecues andcommunity Christmas parties and whatnot.
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It was pretty much
working class people that had retired
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and for the first time founda house they could afford to own.
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They were just going to enjoytheir final years in peace and quiet...
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...and enjoya certain degree of being alone.
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There was
a little teeny article in the paper.
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It was just about two or three sentences.
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Like the rich man's guruwith a Rolls Royce
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bought a ranch in Antelope,
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and I just thought that was crazy.
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I don't know how else to put it.
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They bought the Big Muddy Ranch,
which was about 80,000 acres.
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Steep, rocky, rolling hillsides.
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It is wild and rugged.
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Out there, there's nothing,
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just a couple of little old buildings
and 60,000 acres of rocks.
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People had no idea, you know,
what they were really doing.
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We just heard
that this cult had bought a--
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Or it wasn't-- They didn't call it
a cult then, did they?
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- No. No.
- I don't know.
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A bunch of people had bought
an agricultural commune,
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which seemed a little strange.
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And all of a sudden, the phone rings
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and he said, "I'm a rancher up here
and these guys come in,"
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and he says, "You do everything you can do
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to keep those guys
from getting in out there."
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What's going on here?
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I thought a whole new world
just opened up for me here apparently.
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We wondered, you know,who these people are.
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Why are they here?
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How long are they going to be here?
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You know, what's this about?
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Right away, they tried to have
all the roads around them closed
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so people couldn't come in.
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And then you started wondering,
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"Well, what is it
that we're worshipping here?"
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And it wasn't long before the Bhagwan came
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and we got to see what it was.
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Some of my neighbors
over towards Antelope could see
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all these building materialsand mobile homes being moved in,
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truckload after truckload.
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And it was obvious
that it wasn't needed to run a ranch.
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There were these rumors going around
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that his vision was a city
of 50,000 in the desert somewhere.
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And the little deal got to be a big deal
in just a matter of a week or two.
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A lot of people weresuspicious that they had a long-term plan.
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Nobody could imagine that it would be
something of the scale that unfolded.
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I tell people now, you know,
and they still don't believe you,
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'cause it's just too incredible.
How could this happen?
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You know someone will write
a book about this,
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and I will guarantee you
that when that book comes out,
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the people that read it
will say that it's fiction.
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We had no idea
that we were going to run into
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the largest poisoning casein the history of the United States,
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into the largest wiretapping case,
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and the largest immigration fraudthat had occurred in the United States.
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Early on when they first arrived here,
they stopped in and introduced themselves,
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and their main thing was
all we want to do is farm our ground,
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follow our religion,
and be good neighbors.
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And I guess you would say
the problem started when Sheela got here.
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Ma Anand Sheelacontrolled the Rajneesh Foundation
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and its tens of millions of dollars.
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Now the guru says...
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Ma Anand Sheela
was the Bhagwan's personal secretary.
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So, she was his spokesperson.
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She was, in my opinion,
essentially running the whole commune.
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The Bhagwan's top aide, Ma Anand Sheela,
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and a dozen or so other leadersof the commune
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are believed hiding in southern Germany.
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She had been involved with the Bhagwan
for a large part of her life.
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I don't knowif you want to say bred for the job,
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but certainly ingratiatedinto that circle
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to where she was
a very trusted lieutenant.
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Federal prosecutors in thiscountry asked the West German government
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to extradite Ma Anand Sheela
to the United States.
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Sheela, a former secretary
of the Bhagwan Rajneesh,
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faces charges of fraud
and attempted murder in Oregon.
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She had her agenda and she couldn't
believe anybody would get in her way.
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Do police knowwhere Sheela is at this time?
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We're told that she's living
in a forest somewhere outside Zurich.
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With every crown comes the guillotine.
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Without the guillotine,you cannot wear the crown.
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And it was my fate.
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But why do one has to putsomebody under guillotine?
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Because of their strength.
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They want to destroy their strength.
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And in spite of guillotine,they haven't killed me yet.
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They haven't killed my spirit yet.
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No matter where I go,I will always wear crown...
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while I'm not afraidof being under guillotine.
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I have been accused
of a laundry list of heinous crimes.
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Of course, all of them attempted.
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Normally, I succeed in what I do.
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That is a joke.
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So the world has assassinated me
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and my character so often.
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I have nothing to lose.
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What have I to lose?
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My first meeting with Bhagwan...
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I was just a young girl of 16.
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We were all told by our father
that we are going to go visit Bhagwan.
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He said that if this man lives long,
he will be a second Buddha.
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He had Saraswati on his tongue.
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Goddess of knowledge on his tongue.
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And we went in his apartment.
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I sat in the back
against the wall with my father.
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Living room had a beautifulDecember morning breeze coming in.
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All the walls were coveredwith hundreds of books.
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And...
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I saw Bhagwan and that was the end of me.
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Bhagwan came from back like this
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in his white shawl
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and a lungi and nothing underneath,
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with beautiful hairy chest.
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And then, all I realized
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that tears were rolling through my cheeks.
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I saw this smile and these open arms.
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And I just went into his arms.
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And my whole head melted.
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It was in this moment...
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if death would have come...
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I accept.
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My life was complete.
My life was fulfilled.
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Roger and I, we married in 1966.
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And in those days,
where we lived in Western Australia,
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it was absolutely normal
that you got married and you had a family.
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So two years after we married,our son was born, Peter.
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But the dream we had been living...
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young people, they meet,
they fall in love,
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they get married, they have children,
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they live happily ever after.
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Oh, it's not the way I think it is.
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It's different.
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And I was resentful and I was angry.
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Roger and I were having
real issues in our marriage.
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I would bottle everything up,
bottle it up, bottle it up,
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and then...
...I would just explode.
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I just said to myself,
"I don't want to come to this place again.
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I don't like this.
I got to do something about this."
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A neighbor, a young neighbor,
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had told me once about a psychologist
at the public health department.
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And Roger came with me.
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I was very, very nervous,
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and this man came out ofthe little building and walked towards us.
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I didn't even noticethat he was wearing a long orange robe...
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and a beaded necklace around--
I didn't even notice.
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He said, "You know, we're goingto make a meditation center here.
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This is just small now.This is just the beginning.
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And we're going to do a meditation."
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I was like, "Meditation? What's that?"
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We were invited
into the small building there.
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There were a number of other peoplealso wearing orange clothes.
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And there were
very large, um, photos of Bhagwan.
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Really luminous eyes...
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like... deep wells.
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The psychologist, he gave Roger and Ia mask so that we couldn't see.
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Dynamic Meditation is a combinationof Hinduism and psychotherapies.
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He had told us to breathe
very fast and furiously
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in and out of the nose
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for the first part of the music.
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Rigorous breathingand hyperventilation
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is designed to arousethe serpent force called Kundalini.
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In the second part,
we were to just let it all go.
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Scream and shout if we felt like it.
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Whatever came, we just let it out.
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And then the third part,
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we were to put our hands over
and jump up and down.
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And every time your feet hit the ground,
you say, "Hoo! Hoo!"
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And then the fourth part...was a quiet part then.
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You just get very quiet and still.
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But when it was over, I just cried.
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I just-- That was my release.
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I just cried.
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Roger sought me out
among the group of people.
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It was quite a big group of people,
and he was pulling on my clothes.
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He was pulling me really hard and he was
shouting, "Come back! Come back!"
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But he was just hanging on
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and, "Come back! Come back."
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First you have to understandthat the majority of Sannyasins today
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became Sannyasins after Osho died.
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They never saw him. They never heard him.They were never at the ranch.
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Those who were at the ranch...
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tend to share a bond.
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It's maybe like going through a war
together or something, you know?
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You share a bond of having gone
through an extremely intense experience
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where you relate to each other...
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with a very, very deep connection and bond
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that's really sort of beyond family,
you know?
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Uh...
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Love.
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Those of us who were there.
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I was born at the best time
and the best place
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for anybody to be born
in the history of the world.
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I was born in the United States
in the late 40s, after the war,
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when middle class people finally broke
through and could have a decent living,
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Where if you were smart, you didn't have
to have money, you could get an education.
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So I went to law school.
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And, uh...
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I was smart.
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And I was aggressive, and I was hostile.
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And in that arena, for the first time
in my life, it really paid off.
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I got recruited by a firm in Los Angeles,the Manatt firm.
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At the time, it was the fastest growing
law firm in the United States.
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I was the second senior litigator.
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Really was good at cases.
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The adversary process.
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It was like I was born to do it.
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I represented Jack Kent Cookeand the Lakers,
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Linda Ronstadt.
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I had a big case for Shaun Cassidy.
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It was pretty cool.
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But I was working my ass off.
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I was fucking toast. I was done.
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I had a pal, one of my best friends,
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he was going to India.
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I actually picked him upwhen he came back,
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and we went up into the mountains.
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It was a '64 Volkswagen van,
camp conversion, you know?
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He had, like, transformed.
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He had lost 20 years.
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His face had lightened up.
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He was smiling like a kid, you know?
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Sam brought along some tapes of Osho...
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I had never heard tapes of Osho before.
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And I just knew that my life was changed.
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Bhagwan was very modern.
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Very hip.
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A fashion.
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He appealed to the intellectuals.
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Intellectuals who were tired
of the tradition and mundane lifestyle.
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The time that I came to know Bhagwan,
he was on full power.
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It was unstoppable power.
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Bhagwan went and spoke
to small groups of people
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and there he found some followers.
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Cream of the society, he attracted.
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He started then publishing his own books.
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And before we know it...
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he was bigger than a rock star.
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Stadiums were full.
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I would say 20,000, 30,000 people.
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I remember one day it started raining,
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and few people started getting up...
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and one shout from Bhagwan...
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"So these are the seekers.
They can't take a few drops of rain."
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Everybody stood there.
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There was a pin drop silence.
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And he carried on talking.
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And we went to this lecture.
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And suddenly,Bhagwan calls me in the front.
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I was sitting
half a meter away from his feet.
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He blessed me, and he said,
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"Sheela, you are in love with me
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and I am in love with you."
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He was not shy of provocation.
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He spokeon spirituality, capitalism, sexuality.
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He was so revolutionary.
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More and more Westerners were coming out.
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He wanted to createan international commune.
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A community where he can meditateand create an energy field.
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So Bhagwan then decided to move to Poona.
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It was a necessity to be near him.
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His physical body
was so important to us all.
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I became very impatient
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to go to India to meet Bhagwan.
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Some people
who came to the meditation center
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had been for a visit and come back.
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They were talking
about the ashram, about Bhagwan
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and that you could sit at his feet.
297
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And I developed this need
to sit at the feet of my master.
298
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And at some point I just said,
"I'm going to India."
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After-- After I got divorced, I really--
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When I'd get up in the morning,
I'd think, "What am I doing?", you know?
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What am I doing?
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Eating too much, drinking too much.
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Working too much.
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For what?
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I then decided enough is enough.
I resigned my partnership.
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People thought I was crazy
to walk away from the gold mine.
307
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So I went to India.
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I remember
the first time I flew into India.
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I come off the plane. I'm in a taxi.
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It's these two-lane roads
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and these Indian truck driversand bus drivers all dodging each other.
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From the very beginning,
I was completely overwhelmed.
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So many people,
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so many different smells,fragrances, all mixed up,
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and noise.
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And there's the biggest slums likeyou could never have seen in your life.
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And in the middle of that,
there is this... ashram.
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And there was a gate.
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When the gate opened
and I walked through with Roger,
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it was into another world.
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It was really peaceful.
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It was very green, lush green.
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There were
little groups of people in orange
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sitting around or standing around
talking quietly to each other.
325
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It was a real oasis.
326
00:28:42,638 --> 00:28:47,309
And Bhagwan's house was just visible
through the greenery.
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There was a huge sense of...
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"Finally, I've made it."
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It was a sunny day, beautiful.
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There was lots of trees,
these beautiful old trees,
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full of parrots,
like thousands of parrots,
332
00:29:06,912 --> 00:29:13,293
and all of these people, a sea of people,
walking, wearing maroon robes.
333
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But it was a very gentle movement,
you know?
334
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People talking to people.
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00:29:17,005 --> 00:29:21,385
People sitting and having a cup of tea.
People hugging.
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I just wanted to be there.
337
00:29:23,971 --> 00:29:26,890
I felt like I had arrived.
338
00:29:26,974 --> 00:29:30,143
I felt like after a life
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of being somewhere where I felt
I don't belong here...
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...including my family,
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I felt like I had come home.
342
00:30:38,253 --> 00:30:41,006
Bhagwan gave a discourse every morning,
343
00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:46,428
and that was the first time
that I actually physically saw Bhagwan.
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In those days, Bhagwan wore
a very austere white robe,
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long sleeves down to his ankles.
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He had a long beard.
347
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He certainly looked the part of the sage.
348
00:31:01,568 --> 00:31:07,574
And he came out of that door
with his hands joined in the namaste,
349
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which is a greeting,
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00:31:09,618 --> 00:31:13,538
and moved from the door to his chair.
351
00:31:13,622 --> 00:31:18,877
And for me it seemed
as though he didn't touch the ground.
352
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,837
He just glided there.
353
00:31:21,671 --> 00:31:27,177
There was a slight movement in his beard
from the movement that he made.
354
00:31:27,928 --> 00:31:29,221
And then he sat down.
355
00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:57,499
I was leaning up
against the mosquito nets at the back.
356
00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:01,044
I was a nobody.
357
00:32:02,462 --> 00:32:05,715
And it was so powerful
to listen to him and be with him.
358
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,092
It was so powerful.
359
00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:11,847
I can't even remember how I--
What I thought,
360
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,683
but I found myself sitting
at Bhagwan's feet.
361
00:32:15,434 --> 00:32:17,060
And then he spoke to me.
362
00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:30,157
I'm not special in any sense.
363
00:32:31,575 --> 00:32:34,995
I'm not claiming that I am the son of God.
364
00:32:35,078 --> 00:32:41,376
I'm simply saying one thing:
that I was asleep, now I am awake.
365
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:46,006
You are asleep and you can be awake also.
366
00:32:46,089 --> 00:32:52,095
I will go on
trying to help people to be awake.
367
00:32:52,179 --> 00:32:54,639
The awakened man will be the new man.
368
00:32:56,892 --> 00:32:59,019
He will not be Christian.he will not be Hindu.
369
00:32:59,102 --> 00:33:01,897
He will not be Muhammadan.
He will not be Indian.
370
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:04,316
He will not be German.
He will not be English.
371
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:07,819
He will be simply an awakened being.
372
00:33:09,946 --> 00:33:12,532
Bhagwan wanted to create a new man.
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A new manthat lives in harmony with one another...
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lives in harmony with nature,
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where all nationalities,
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00:33:30,634 --> 00:33:32,344
all colors,
377
00:33:32,427 --> 00:33:34,387
all religions...
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00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:36,640
sit together.
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00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:41,686
This new man
has only respect for one another.
380
00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:47,359
The East has remained lopsidedbecause of the so-called spirituality.
381
00:33:47,442 --> 00:33:52,531
It has remained poor, unscientific,without any technology.
382
00:33:52,614 --> 00:33:55,617
And the West has chosen materialism.
383
00:33:58,620 --> 00:34:02,332
But man is very empty and meaningless.
384
00:34:02,415 --> 00:34:07,254
Without spirituality,
there will be no center.
385
00:34:07,337 --> 00:34:10,090
Man is falling apart.
386
00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:14,636
The Western man... is half.
387
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,888
The Eastern man is half.
388
00:34:16,972 --> 00:34:20,642
My effort here is to create the whole man.
389
00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:24,062
The average guru rejects everything,
390
00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:27,607
all material, all sexuality.
391
00:34:28,441 --> 00:34:31,945
In old days, that brand worked.
392
00:34:32,028 --> 00:34:35,156
You could sell it off good. Good.
393
00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:37,742
But now we are in a modern time.
394
00:34:37,826 --> 00:34:42,497
Bhagwan was... attacking all this.
395
00:34:43,373 --> 00:34:48,128
You can be spiritual without rejection.
396
00:34:48,211 --> 00:34:50,380
Now there are two ways:
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00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:53,258
Either repress sex as it has been done
398
00:34:53,341 --> 00:34:57,804
by all the so-called religious traditions
of the world
399
00:34:57,887 --> 00:35:00,765
or transform it.
400
00:35:00,849 --> 00:35:03,059
I am for transformation.
401
00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:06,896
Hence, I teach my Sannyasins
to be creative.
402
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:10,400
Create music, create poetry,
403
00:35:10,483 --> 00:35:13,862
create painting, create pottery...
404
00:35:13,945 --> 00:35:16,114
Create something!
405
00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:20,702
Whatever you do,do it with great creativeness.
406
00:35:22,078 --> 00:35:24,080
Bring something new into existence...
407
00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:28,543
and your sex will be fulfilled
on a higher plane.
408
00:35:28,627 --> 00:35:31,880
It was, for me,
as though a door burst open,
409
00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:35,008
because Bhagwan was very eclectic.
He was very well read.
410
00:35:35,091 --> 00:35:37,677
He was a professor of philosophy,
411
00:35:37,761 --> 00:35:42,515
and he spoke about things
I'd never heard of before.
412
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:45,101
And he spoke
about all different religions.
413
00:35:45,185 --> 00:35:48,021
He spoke about Buddha
and he spoke about Zarathustra,
414
00:35:48,104 --> 00:35:52,275
and I was very attracted
to his irreverence.
415
00:35:52,359 --> 00:35:54,444
I found that very refreshing.
416
00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:56,821
For me, that was, ah, wonderful.
417
00:35:56,905 --> 00:35:58,365
You can laugh about things.
418
00:35:58,448 --> 00:36:01,076
You don't have to cry
all the time about life.
419
00:36:04,746 --> 00:36:08,917
He was controversial and very popular.
420
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,754
He had qualities that were immense.
421
00:36:12,837 --> 00:36:17,634
When you would sit with him in a hallwith six-- 7,000 people...
422
00:36:17,717 --> 00:36:23,223
and everybody in the room
who was open to him is stoned.
423
00:36:23,306 --> 00:36:27,519
I mean "stoned" in the sense
that when after the discourse,
424
00:36:27,602 --> 00:36:31,314
people would get up to leave and they
would stumble if they got up too quickly.
425
00:36:31,398 --> 00:36:37,070
He would channel
this incredible energy into people.
426
00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:44,244
You have to be givena safe place from where you can work.
427
00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:47,539
A place where ordinary things,
428
00:36:47,622 --> 00:36:51,209
taboos, inhibitions are put aside.
429
00:36:52,919 --> 00:36:54,838
And this is only the beginning.
430
00:36:56,423 --> 00:36:59,217
Many, many more are going to come.
431
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:00,468
They are on the way.
432
00:37:02,178 --> 00:37:03,805
The others who will come...
433
00:37:05,807 --> 00:37:08,727
The coming of millions more...
434
00:37:09,352 --> 00:37:12,605
Hence, your responsibility is great,
435
00:37:12,689 --> 00:37:15,692
because you will be preparing the way.
436
00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:20,947
Everybody felt that they were there
at the beginning of the great experiment.
437
00:37:23,908 --> 00:37:26,035
And we really saw it had the potential
438
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,830
to transform
the consciousness of the planet.
439
00:37:29,581 --> 00:37:31,875
We really did feel...
440
00:37:34,294 --> 00:37:37,088
like we were the chosen people.
441
00:37:37,172 --> 00:37:41,801
We are materialist spiritualists.
442
00:37:41,885 --> 00:37:45,930
Nothing like this
has ever happened in the world.
443
00:37:46,014 --> 00:37:49,893
This is a new experiment, a new beginning.
444
00:37:51,102 --> 00:37:53,438
And it has a great future for it.
445
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,665
I had basicallya business finance background.
446
00:38:15,877 --> 00:38:19,881
I got a job working ina international bank on One Wall Street.
447
00:38:22,008 --> 00:38:25,428
I wanted to create
this holistic community,
448
00:38:25,512 --> 00:38:29,849
and I had wanted to do thatlong before I was a Sannyasin.
449
00:38:29,933 --> 00:38:33,645
I establish a company called Neo-Balance
450
00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:37,023
to facilitate the flow of goods to India
451
00:38:37,106 --> 00:38:42,695
and lay in the basic infrastructure
for that community to thrive on.
452
00:38:44,197 --> 00:38:47,951
At the time,we were coming into the Vietnam era.
453
00:38:50,829 --> 00:38:55,750
And what we were being toldby our government, by our culture
454
00:38:55,834 --> 00:38:57,961
wasn't exactly what was going on.
455
00:38:59,128 --> 00:39:03,466
We were expected to go to college,get a job, raise a family,
456
00:39:03,550 --> 00:39:05,927
and people were beginning to question
457
00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:10,974
the validity of our religions,our governments.
458
00:39:11,057 --> 00:39:14,727
And I think that's what
so many of the youngsters at that time
459
00:39:14,811 --> 00:39:19,691
were rebelling againstand looking inward to find these answers.
460
00:39:20,608 --> 00:39:23,111
For many,the human potential movement
461
00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:26,823
is the most significant social inventionof the century.
462
00:39:26,906 --> 00:39:29,742
The human potential movementhas become a business,
463
00:39:29,826 --> 00:39:31,035
an underground religion,
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00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:34,080
a counterculture,a grassroots phenomenon
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00:39:34,163 --> 00:39:37,542
attracting hundreds of thousandsof ordinary people.
466
00:39:38,751 --> 00:39:43,006
To the human potentialists,self-realization, enlightenment,
467
00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:45,925
creativity, spiritual development,
468
00:39:47,093 --> 00:39:49,637
this, they say, could become our future.
469
00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:53,474
Osho was part ofthe New Age awakening that was happening.
470
00:39:53,558 --> 00:39:57,020
And inside of the ashram in Poona,
471
00:39:57,103 --> 00:40:01,524
there werethe most dynamic New Age therapies
472
00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:03,693
that were existing any place in the world.
473
00:40:06,571 --> 00:40:11,367
Circulating through India werethese Europeans and Americans
474
00:40:11,451 --> 00:40:15,455
who were coming into see what the East was like.
475
00:40:15,538 --> 00:40:18,207
It's like this, for me,
is my family, my home.
476
00:40:18,291 --> 00:40:21,336
It's rich, it's abundant, it's...
477
00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:23,087
There's nothing in the West for me now.
478
00:40:23,171 --> 00:40:25,798
I was studying
other spiritual philosophies
479
00:40:25,882 --> 00:40:31,387
and doing the whole Berkeley
esoteric bullshit that goes on there.
480
00:40:31,471 --> 00:40:34,057
And then, a friend of mine
came back from Poona...
481
00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:37,477
and I saw so much change in her.
482
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,812
I felt like she had found
what I'd been looking for.
483
00:40:39,896 --> 00:40:42,065
So I went to Poona to find out.
484
00:40:43,566 --> 00:40:46,861
This was providinga steady flow of income
485
00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:50,990
to satisfy the needs
of a very growing community.
486
00:40:55,495 --> 00:40:58,873
Bhagwan did understand finances.
487
00:40:58,957 --> 00:41:04,587
The Westerner came
with dollars instead of rupees.
488
00:41:04,671 --> 00:41:08,675
Meditation was a product.
489
00:41:08,758 --> 00:41:12,053
It was the product that brought the money
490
00:41:12,136 --> 00:41:15,890
to do the work he had in mind to do.
491
00:41:21,396 --> 00:41:23,606
I was not a meditator.
492
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:25,483
I don't have interest in this.
493
00:41:25,566 --> 00:41:27,151
It's not my cup of tea.
494
00:41:27,235 --> 00:41:29,529
I like working.
495
00:41:29,612 --> 00:41:33,616
But it was not a conflictbetween me and Bhagwan.
496
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:36,953
I knew his marketing ability.
497
00:41:37,036 --> 00:41:40,331
I knew how to create organization...
498
00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:45,003
how to createcapitalistic working community.
499
00:41:45,712 --> 00:41:48,256
Sheela was smart. She was enjoyable.
500
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:49,966
She was cunning.
501
00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:51,759
She had a feel for power.
502
00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:53,344
She was very charming.
503
00:41:53,428 --> 00:41:56,139
She knew how to deal with people.
504
00:41:56,222 --> 00:41:59,100
She knew how to operate a new commune.
505
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,396
And money was needed.
506
00:42:03,479 --> 00:42:07,358
We needed housing.We needed to buy new land.
507
00:42:12,447 --> 00:42:14,198
And I come up with the idea.
508
00:42:14,282 --> 00:42:18,786
Here is at least
three-- 4,000 Sannyasins...
509
00:42:20,496 --> 00:42:22,790
and they can loan us the money.
510
00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:28,254
And we set up overnight
a little bank with card system.
511
00:42:29,714 --> 00:42:32,717
It was definitely a big cash flow.
512
00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:40,308
We were floatingseveral hundred thousand dollars...
513
00:42:41,142 --> 00:42:43,603
and that's a lot of money for India.
514
00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:51,235
All communes in the pasthave died because of this stupid idea
515
00:42:51,319 --> 00:42:54,614
that you should not create wealth.
516
00:42:55,823 --> 00:43:01,245
Bhagwan's teaching waswe don't have to isolate ourselves,
517
00:43:01,329 --> 00:43:04,207
sit in the Himalayas, and meditate.
518
00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:07,668
We should be part of the marketplace.
519
00:43:08,628 --> 00:43:13,341
Now 1,500 Sannyasinsare working in the commune.
520
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:15,510
They need clothes.
521
00:43:15,593 --> 00:43:16,803
They need medicine.
522
00:43:16,886 --> 00:43:18,638
They need everything.
523
00:43:20,181 --> 00:43:22,725
This commune is going to live,
524
00:43:22,809 --> 00:43:26,187
and the only way for it to liveis to be rich.
525
00:43:27,355 --> 00:43:29,982
The more we do,the bigger we become.
526
00:43:30,066 --> 00:43:32,318
We were getting hordes of people.
527
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:38,991
Followers started coming over the wall.
528
00:43:39,075 --> 00:43:40,910
There was no stop.
529
00:43:44,705 --> 00:43:47,166
Bhagwan was observing me.
530
00:43:48,376 --> 00:43:50,753
He wanted to test me,
531
00:43:50,837 --> 00:43:56,676
and I never felt that I was not adequate
to say what I want to say to him.
532
00:44:00,012 --> 00:44:02,515
Hindsight, I can say...
533
00:44:03,558 --> 00:44:05,351
he had a close eye on me.
534
00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:15,653
One of the first things we did
was to go to the front office.
535
00:44:15,736 --> 00:44:19,240
This was a glass-fronted office.
536
00:44:19,323 --> 00:44:22,201
When you came in the front gate,it was right there.
537
00:44:23,202 --> 00:44:29,667
There was a very tiny Indian woman
sitting in a very big chair in the middle.
538
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:31,961
She was clearly the boss there.
539
00:44:32,044 --> 00:44:35,506
And they told us this is Laxmi.
This is Bhagwan's secretary.
540
00:44:35,590 --> 00:44:41,429
Being personal secretary to Osho
was more than you might think.
541
00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:48,352
Osho's personal secretary was primarily
responsible for administering everything.
542
00:44:48,436 --> 00:44:54,942
Role of personal secretary of Bhagwan
is you carried the cross for him.
543
00:44:55,026 --> 00:44:56,527
It's a mad role.
544
00:44:56,611 --> 00:45:01,574
And Laxmi's rolewas be Bhagwan's spokesperson.
545
00:45:02,742 --> 00:45:07,830
The perception from the outside
was that it was a classless society.
546
00:45:07,914 --> 00:45:09,373
But when you actually went to the ashram,
547
00:45:09,457 --> 00:45:15,046
you found that there were people
who had different degrees of power.
548
00:45:15,546 --> 00:45:20,343
So I went to the office to ask for work.
549
00:45:20,426 --> 00:45:25,932
Laxmi had to her right-hand sidea very vivacious young Indian woman.
550
00:45:26,015 --> 00:45:28,517
And that was the first time I met Sheela.
551
00:45:29,018 --> 00:45:31,395
She said to me, "Oh, you want to work?
552
00:45:31,479 --> 00:45:34,649
Oh, very good.
We need a responsible cleaner."
553
00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:36,776
Cleaner?
554
00:45:36,859 --> 00:45:39,362
I came all this way to clean?
555
00:45:40,488 --> 00:45:44,283
And cleaning public toiletswas my job for the first year.
556
00:45:48,496 --> 00:45:54,293
Bhagwan didn't want people
who were coming for mental entertainment.
557
00:45:54,377 --> 00:45:58,464
He wanted people
who can support a community.
558
00:45:58,547 --> 00:46:03,469
We amassed in the early days
highly trained intellectuals,
559
00:46:03,552 --> 00:46:06,764
doctors, lawyers, city planners.
560
00:46:08,557 --> 00:46:11,519
I mean, our vision
was to create a community
561
00:46:11,602 --> 00:46:16,941
that could be used as an examplefor what was possible in the world.
562
00:46:17,024 --> 00:46:20,695
This will be the first Sannyasin city.
563
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,408
Within five years,50,000 Sannyasins will be there.
564
00:46:27,118 --> 00:46:31,288
And within ten years,100,0000 Sannyasins will be there.
565
00:46:32,748 --> 00:46:36,961
Bhagwan wanted to createa new commune, a Buddhafield.
566
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:40,881
This Buddhafield was a promised land.
567
00:46:43,384 --> 00:46:47,680
So we were lookingfor land that had that potential
568
00:46:47,763 --> 00:46:51,225
to sustain a large enough population
569
00:46:51,308 --> 00:46:52,977
and had the potential to grow.
570
00:46:53,978 --> 00:46:58,190
We had to haveenough space for 10,000 people.
571
00:46:58,274 --> 00:47:03,821
We needed housing facility
and Bhagwan needs to move on
572
00:47:03,904 --> 00:47:06,949
to a different plateau, different level.
573
00:47:08,451 --> 00:47:12,621
Bhagwan sent Laxmi outto look for new land,
574
00:47:12,705 --> 00:47:17,543
and he said not to come back
until she has finished the deal.
575
00:47:18,377 --> 00:47:20,379
He sent Laxmi to Delhi...
576
00:47:21,881 --> 00:47:22,715
Kutch...
577
00:47:22,798 --> 00:47:24,133
Bombay.
578
00:47:26,218 --> 00:47:28,054
The problem was...
579
00:47:28,137 --> 00:47:32,224
it was time of Mrs. Ghandi,the prime minister.
580
00:47:33,142 --> 00:47:38,147
And politically,
we came into this gridlock.
581
00:47:39,356 --> 00:47:44,320
They saw us as a threat to their society.
582
00:47:46,363 --> 00:47:51,160
And I'm thinking here he is,this fantastic spiritual teacher
583
00:47:51,243 --> 00:47:55,664
who can't even, in his own country,be able to express himself.
584
00:47:56,791 --> 00:47:58,501
It was in Poona time.
585
00:47:58,584 --> 00:48:02,213
There was a fundamental Hindu
586
00:48:02,296 --> 00:48:05,174
who stood up
in the middle of the discourse
587
00:48:05,257 --> 00:48:07,718
and threw a knife at Bhagwan.
588
00:48:10,179 --> 00:48:12,264
Knife didn't hit Bhagwan,
589
00:48:12,348 --> 00:48:14,433
but it was a close call.
590
00:48:15,226 --> 00:48:18,646
It was clear then to Bhagwan
591
00:48:18,729 --> 00:48:21,857
that now we have to take other measures
592
00:48:21,941 --> 00:48:27,279
to protect him,
his ashram, and his people.
593
00:48:27,363 --> 00:48:31,033
At that point, I go into his library
594
00:48:31,117 --> 00:48:34,161
and get a copy of the Bill of Rights
and the Constitution.
595
00:48:34,245 --> 00:48:38,999
The United States gives the rightsfor all people to practice a religion.
596
00:48:39,083 --> 00:48:44,839
And I'm thinking getting out of India was
something that we should really explore.
597
00:48:50,678 --> 00:48:53,848
One evening,I come out of the shower
598
00:48:53,931 --> 00:48:55,599
and telephone message had come.
599
00:48:55,683 --> 00:48:59,019
And I was called to Bhagwan's room.
600
00:49:05,651 --> 00:49:10,781
And he said,"Sheela, you come in the front."
601
00:49:11,991 --> 00:49:16,287
And he asked me,"What do you think about Laxmi?"
602
00:49:18,205 --> 00:49:24,336
I said to Bhagwan,
"I don't see a good hope there."
603
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:29,550
Laxmi was not capableof organizing a land for him.
604
00:49:30,551 --> 00:49:35,931
And he asked me,"Where do you take man like Bhagwan?"
605
00:49:37,183 --> 00:49:41,437
So then I said, "Maybe I would knowhow to deal in America."
606
00:49:42,313 --> 00:49:45,774
It was like he was shining.
607
00:49:45,858 --> 00:49:47,860
And I tell Bhagwan
608
00:49:47,943 --> 00:49:53,240
it was my convictionthat in U.S. we will have no problems.
609
00:49:54,491 --> 00:49:59,747
The Constitution,I thought, was very sacred.
610
00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:04,126
And then he says"Sheela, I have something for you."
611
00:50:05,419 --> 00:50:08,255
He put his hand on my head.
612
00:50:09,215 --> 00:50:10,966
I just looked at him...
613
00:50:11,759 --> 00:50:14,428
tears rolling from my eyes.
614
00:50:15,512 --> 00:50:21,518
And then he says,"Sheela, you are my new secretary."
615
00:50:23,562 --> 00:50:26,106
And the next thing he says,
616
00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:29,652
"Okay, look for a place in America."
617
00:50:34,365 --> 00:50:36,283
It was in '68.
618
00:50:36,367 --> 00:50:39,119
I was 17 years old.
619
00:50:39,203 --> 00:50:45,000
Our father told us,"I am sending you to learn in America."
620
00:50:45,084 --> 00:50:47,628
What excited me about America?
621
00:50:50,256 --> 00:50:52,591
Everything, I guess, in that moment.
622
00:50:54,677 --> 00:50:58,013
America was land of promise.
623
00:50:58,097 --> 00:51:04,061
I was fascinated with the idea of freedom,
624
00:51:04,144 --> 00:51:07,856
to see the equality among men and women.
625
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:12,236
And color... was important.
626
00:51:14,947 --> 00:51:18,242
In my first class,
627
00:51:18,325 --> 00:51:20,786
in Montclair State College,
628
00:51:20,869 --> 00:51:23,622
I met my husband, Mark.
629
00:51:23,706 --> 00:51:25,249
He was not Chinmaya yet.
630
00:51:28,794 --> 00:51:30,004
A beautiful man.
631
00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:32,381
My first love.
632
00:51:33,757 --> 00:51:39,471
He had a totally Jewish humor
that used to make me laugh.
633
00:51:40,389 --> 00:51:42,141
I would have stomachache.
634
00:51:46,562 --> 00:51:49,231
We enjoyed walking on Canal Street,
635
00:51:49,315 --> 00:51:50,899
these huge buildings,
636
00:51:50,983 --> 00:51:54,862
eating pickles, you know,
from the big barrel.
637
00:51:54,945 --> 00:51:56,989
And I felt so good.
638
00:52:04,538 --> 00:52:06,457
But he was a sick man.
639
00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:10,878
Mark had Hodgkin's disease.
640
00:52:10,961 --> 00:52:13,964
He battled with it 13 years.
641
00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:21,138
Death was a naked sword,
and it was always there sitting.
642
00:52:22,890 --> 00:52:25,059
Night before he died,
643
00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:27,436
I look myself in the mirror
644
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,856
and I suddenly see my face grey.
645
00:52:30,939 --> 00:52:34,360
I knew something was wrong
with Chinmaya then.
646
00:52:36,862 --> 00:52:38,822
And I said to Bhagwan,
647
00:52:38,906 --> 00:52:41,200
"I think Chinmaya is dying."
648
00:52:42,284 --> 00:52:44,620
And he said, "You feel correct.
649
00:52:46,622 --> 00:52:52,961
But I don'twant you to have tears in your eyes
650
00:52:53,045 --> 00:52:59,343
because if he sees tears,
it will become difficult for him to die."
651
00:53:06,725 --> 00:53:12,564
And I did not let a tear fallin front of Chinmaya.
652
00:53:17,319 --> 00:53:21,615
I have not known sorrow as deep as that.
653
00:53:32,459 --> 00:53:37,714
Bhagwan told the doctors
to put me to sleep for three days.
654
00:53:39,383 --> 00:53:42,636
When I woke up after three days...
655
00:53:43,345 --> 00:53:46,890
he says, "This chapter is finished.
656
00:53:49,101 --> 00:53:53,647
Now you bury yourself in the work."
657
00:54:00,654 --> 00:54:05,951
There came a day when Bhagwan announced
to us, a discourse in the morning,
658
00:54:06,034 --> 00:54:10,038
that now enough of us were ready
to commune with him in silence
659
00:54:10,122 --> 00:54:12,541
and that he would not be speaking anymore.
660
00:54:15,836 --> 00:54:17,838
Unheard of. Unbelievable.
661
00:54:17,921 --> 00:54:19,840
But he stopped speaking.
662
00:54:20,883 --> 00:54:24,386
And there's this Sannyasin sittingnext to me in the garden for breakfast.
663
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:26,930
I said, "How's Osho?"
And she said, "He's in silence."
664
00:54:27,014 --> 00:54:30,184
I had come all this way
to sit in front of him and listen,
665
00:54:30,267 --> 00:54:31,435
and he's in silence.
666
00:54:31,518 --> 00:54:35,522
And that also meant seclusion.He wasn't seeing people.
667
00:54:37,649 --> 00:54:39,693
When he goes into silence,
668
00:54:39,776 --> 00:54:41,487
who's gonna speak?
669
00:54:41,570 --> 00:54:45,657
When Bhagwan
stopped giving public lectures,
670
00:54:45,741 --> 00:54:49,786
I became his spokesperson
as his secretary.
671
00:54:49,870 --> 00:54:52,789
Everything was put on my shoulder.
672
00:54:53,415 --> 00:54:59,838
We did not want Bhagwan to come
under any direct conflict with law.
673
00:54:59,922 --> 00:55:04,635
And this is why I was given
power of attorney,
674
00:55:04,718 --> 00:55:08,055
irrevocable power of attorney.
675
00:55:08,138 --> 00:55:11,225
One gives such powers
676
00:55:11,308 --> 00:55:15,437
only to someone
that one trusts so immensely.
677
00:55:19,274 --> 00:55:23,820
I had a big meeting with my team.
678
00:55:23,904 --> 00:55:27,157
I declared that we are going to America.
679
00:55:28,617 --> 00:55:33,288
I said, "Understand what it means...
680
00:55:33,914 --> 00:55:37,000
to take this giant tree...
681
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:43,340
that is in middle of India...
682
00:55:43,924 --> 00:55:48,887
spread out his branches and roots."
683
00:55:48,971 --> 00:55:53,433
It was massive danger involved.
684
00:55:53,517 --> 00:55:57,020
I had to present to these people
685
00:55:57,104 --> 00:56:00,983
what it means to hold your tongues.
686
00:56:01,066 --> 00:56:05,153
No one should have
a little bit of idea of what's going on,
687
00:56:05,237 --> 00:56:10,117
because if people know, it won't happen.
688
00:56:11,618 --> 00:56:14,121
I went to Bombay.
689
00:56:14,204 --> 00:56:17,583
I started application to the visa.
690
00:56:19,876 --> 00:56:21,587
I went to Immigration.
691
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:24,840
I said,
"I want to speak to you in person."
692
00:56:24,923 --> 00:56:28,594
I can see the paper in front of my eyes,
693
00:56:28,677 --> 00:56:33,932
this long telex
where they say grant Bhagwan a visa.
694
00:56:36,893 --> 00:56:42,399
My boss at the booking officecalled to come outside.
695
00:56:43,567 --> 00:56:46,653
And we looked at him questioningly,
696
00:56:46,737 --> 00:56:51,158
but... we should just stay.
697
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:54,745
And the next thing, the gate opened
698
00:56:54,828 --> 00:56:58,707
and Bhagwan's white armored Rolls Royce
699
00:56:58,790 --> 00:57:00,709
drove out of the gate,
700
00:57:00,792 --> 00:57:03,754
down the driveway,
701
00:57:03,837 --> 00:57:05,464
and out of the ashram gate.
702
00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:12,054
In the four years I was in India,
he had never ever gone out of the ashram,
703
00:57:12,137 --> 00:57:13,889
and suddenly he was gone.
704
00:57:14,598 --> 00:57:19,436
And we had to go
in the middle of the night to the airport.
705
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:25,067
We had taken a 747...
706
00:57:25,817 --> 00:57:26,902
Pan-Am,
707
00:57:26,985 --> 00:57:31,156
and upstairs,blocked it completely for him.
708
00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:36,870
This is this beautiful photo
where I poured him my first drink,
709
00:57:36,954 --> 00:57:39,081
a glass of champagne.
710
00:57:40,666 --> 00:57:44,836
And then he took the bottle in his hand.
711
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,713
"Now for my Sheela."
712
00:57:46,797 --> 00:57:50,968
And he poured me and gave it to me.
713
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,512
And we left India.
714
00:58:01,228 --> 00:58:02,354
The god has fled.
715
00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:06,733
It seems that Bhagwan left
the ashram in Poona on the 1st of June
716
00:58:06,817 --> 00:58:09,569
without warning
and without saying goodbye.
717
00:58:09,653 --> 00:58:12,864
His followers have been given
no idea of his whereabouts.
718
00:58:12,948 --> 00:58:15,993
Informed speculation
places him in the United States.
719
00:58:16,076 --> 00:58:17,619
So I get back to L.A.,
720
00:58:17,703 --> 00:58:20,539
and I didn't know
what I was going to be doing, you know?
721
00:58:20,622 --> 00:58:24,626
I was hanging out with an old girlfriend
on a Sunday morning,
722
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:28,839
and I remember I was drinking coffee
and eating pastries in bed with her.
723
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,759
And she brings in the L.A. Times.
724
00:58:33,552 --> 00:58:36,596
And there was this big articleby Russell Chandler.
725
00:58:37,806 --> 00:58:40,225
Osho was in the United States.
726
00:58:49,151 --> 00:58:53,321
Slowly but surely, everythingthat was movable in the ashram
727
00:58:53,405 --> 00:58:56,491
was dismantled and sold and taken away.
728
00:58:56,575 --> 00:59:01,371
I had taken my children, my husband,and gone to India to live with Bhagwan.
729
00:59:02,706 --> 00:59:07,878
Everything I had known,
my whole world was taken apart.
730
00:59:07,961 --> 00:59:13,967
I pick up the phone
and call 503 information,
731
00:59:14,051 --> 00:59:19,139
and I said, "I want to talk
to those people in Central Oregon."
732
00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:21,099
And she said, "Hold on, I'll connect you."
733
00:59:22,350 --> 00:59:25,395
Everybody knew who he was
and what was going on.
734
00:59:25,479 --> 00:59:28,190
And I just said,
"Listen, I'm a lawyer in L.A.
735
00:59:28,273 --> 00:59:31,985
I took sannyas recently
and I want to know what I can do."
736
00:59:32,903 --> 00:59:35,322
Thirty seconds later,
I was talking to Sheela.
737
00:59:37,157 --> 00:59:40,035
And she said,
"Are you admitted in Oregon?"
738
00:59:40,118 --> 00:59:41,161
I said, "No."
739
00:59:41,244 --> 00:59:44,206
She said, "Get admitted to Oregon
and come up here."
740
00:59:44,915 --> 00:59:46,166
And so I did.
741
00:59:54,966 --> 00:59:59,763
Bhagwan, he was porcelain...
742
00:59:59,846 --> 01:00:01,598
very fragile...
743
01:00:03,266 --> 01:00:04,726
very precious...
744
01:00:06,686 --> 01:00:08,980
millions of years old.
745
01:00:10,482 --> 01:00:16,780
And I was lucky enough
to have the responsibility
746
01:00:16,863 --> 01:00:20,117
to transport him
from one country to another...
747
01:00:20,951 --> 01:00:22,327
at a very young age.
748
01:00:23,286 --> 01:00:25,664
It was an adventure of my life.
749
01:00:43,765 --> 01:00:47,811
I-- Yeah, I felt as though someone
had pulled the rug out from under my feet.
750
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,231
But I was determined to wait.
751
01:00:51,314 --> 01:00:52,941
I knew he would come back.
752
01:00:54,943 --> 01:00:58,029
Because if he didn't come back,
what was I going to do?
753
01:00:58,113 --> 01:01:00,949
Well, he didn't come back.
754
01:01:01,032 --> 01:01:02,951
He didn't come back for seven years.
755
01:01:04,161 --> 01:01:08,456
Rajneeshpuram is a big living opera.
756
01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:10,292
Sheela a soprano.
757
01:01:11,459 --> 01:01:12,878
Bhagwan a tenor.
758
01:01:13,712 --> 01:01:16,256
Rajneeshpuram the setting.
759
01:01:16,339 --> 01:01:21,553
Operas are, at the end, always tragic.
760
01:01:22,721 --> 01:01:28,518
But there were so many facets,
so many dimensions in this opera.
761
01:01:28,602 --> 01:01:32,022
I would like to say, "People of Oregon...
762
01:01:32,981 --> 01:01:38,653
think yourselves lucky
that this opera came your way."
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