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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:55,106 --> 00:00:58,025 You just want to push up the people 2 00:00:58,225 --> 00:01:00,945 I've moved here to get away from. 3 00:01:01,145 --> 00:01:04,616 I haven't spoken to not one single one of them 4 00:01:04,816 --> 00:01:05,750 Since I left there. 5 00:01:05,950 --> 00:01:10,487 And I don't want any of them on my film! 6 00:01:10,687 --> 00:01:11,823 You don't understand. 7 00:01:12,023 --> 00:01:13,658 I do understand. 8 00:01:13,858 --> 00:01:14,659 Yeah. 9 00:01:14,859 --> 00:01:16,894 What the fuck is wrong with that? 10 00:01:17,094 --> 00:01:19,230 Are you really gonna hit me with the... 11 00:01:19,430 --> 00:01:20,465 I fucking well am! 12 00:01:20,665 --> 00:01:23,768 I'm gonna fucking put you in hospital! 13 00:01:23,968 --> 00:01:25,569 Why? Oh, my God! 14 00:01:29,006 --> 00:01:31,408 Yes! 15 00:01:39,984 --> 00:01:44,155 Ginger Baker just hit me in the fucking nose. 16 00:01:52,964 --> 00:01:55,600 This film is about Ginger Baker, 17 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,270 A man who stands for something in life 18 00:01:59,470 --> 00:02:02,940 That probably most of you do not. 19 00:02:03,140 --> 00:02:04,709 Love and appreciate, 20 00:02:04,909 --> 00:02:11,615 No matter how awkward this character may appear to you. 21 00:02:11,815 --> 00:02:13,200 God bless him. 22 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,586 May the road rise. 23 00:02:14,786 --> 00:02:17,554 He helped me rise my road. 24 00:02:17,754 --> 00:02:18,922 Love you, Ginger. 25 00:02:19,122 --> 00:02:20,290 Johnny Rotten! 26 00:02:20,490 --> 00:02:21,659 I'm your man. 27 00:02:36,140 --> 00:02:38,292 Ginger Baker is a motherfucker. That's it. 28 00:02:38,492 --> 00:02:40,644 He personally is what drums are all about. 29 00:02:40,844 --> 00:02:43,047 He is certifiably nuts. He's mad. 30 00:02:43,247 --> 00:02:46,017 I think he was kind of fairly consistently horrible 31 00:02:46,217 --> 00:02:47,318 To people and to himself. 32 00:02:47,518 --> 00:02:48,786 If they've got a problem with me, 33 00:02:48,986 --> 00:02:50,655 Come and see me and punch me on the nose. 34 00:02:50,855 --> 00:02:52,924 I ain't gonna sue you. I'm gonna hit you back. 35 00:02:53,124 --> 00:02:55,727 He's moved around the world, 36 00:02:55,927 --> 00:02:57,678 Getting thrown out of every country. 37 00:02:57,878 --> 00:02:59,538 He's a rogue. He's a lovable rogue. 38 00:02:59,738 --> 00:03:01,398 He was a fucking dope addict, man. 39 00:03:01,598 --> 00:03:02,567 He was into drugs heavily. 40 00:03:02,767 --> 00:03:04,702 Are you surprised that he's still living? 41 00:03:04,902 --> 00:03:06,003 Yes, I am. 42 00:03:06,203 --> 00:03:08,539 If a plane went down and it was one person gonna get off, 43 00:03:08,739 --> 00:03:09,740 It would be Ginger. 44 00:03:09,940 --> 00:03:10,742 He was a scary guy. 45 00:03:10,942 --> 00:03:14,211 When I would look at him, he looked like the devil. 46 00:03:14,411 --> 00:03:16,881 The devil takes care of its own, yes. 47 00:03:17,081 --> 00:03:18,415 Like a great virtuoso madman. 48 00:03:18,615 --> 00:03:21,752 Maybe you have to be a little mad to play the way he does. 49 00:03:21,952 --> 00:03:25,089 Probably the greatest drummer that any of us had ever heard. 50 00:03:25,289 --> 00:03:26,423 He was the hammer of the gods. 51 00:03:26,623 --> 00:03:29,526 - He's a force of nature. - The world's greatest drummer. 52 00:03:29,726 --> 00:03:33,898 He influenced me as a drummer, but not as a person. 53 00:03:37,835 --> 00:03:40,137 Ginger Baker on drums! 54 00:03:46,410 --> 00:03:48,245 I was 26 years old, 55 00:03:48,445 --> 00:03:52,683 And my friend popped in a DVD of this redheaded madman 56 00:03:52,883 --> 00:03:54,786 Driving across the Sahara Desert. 57 00:03:54,986 --> 00:03:58,790 My initial reaction was, "This guy has to be dead." 58 00:03:58,990 --> 00:04:01,075 But I searched for his name on the Internet, 59 00:04:01,275 --> 00:04:03,160 And, lo and behold, I found this article... 60 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,330 "Ginger Baker vows to strip in South African court 61 00:04:06,530 --> 00:04:09,000 "To prove that woman claiming to be his lover 62 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,002 Has never seen his cock before." 63 00:04:14,271 --> 00:04:19,443 Not only was he still alive, but he's still a fucking madman. 64 00:04:19,643 --> 00:04:21,512 I have to meet this guy. 65 00:04:21,712 --> 00:04:22,213 Ginger. Ginger. 66 00:04:22,413 --> 00:04:23,681 Hey, Ginger, it's Jay. 67 00:04:23,881 --> 00:04:24,949 Hey, it's Jay Bulger. 68 00:04:25,149 --> 00:04:27,518 I told him I was a writer for Rolling Stone magazine, 69 00:04:27,718 --> 00:04:28,686 Which was a total lie. 70 00:04:28,886 --> 00:04:30,687 I want to come and write an article 71 00:04:30,887 --> 00:04:31,889 About your trip to Africa. 72 00:04:32,089 --> 00:04:33,190 But that was my in, 73 00:04:33,390 --> 00:04:36,427 And he invited me to come down and hear his story. 74 00:04:39,130 --> 00:04:41,132 Oh, are you all right? 75 00:04:42,867 --> 00:04:44,035 Your dog got poisoned? 76 00:04:44,235 --> 00:04:46,203 Hey, feel better. I'll call you on Wednesday. 77 00:04:46,403 --> 00:04:47,588 I'm coming out there. Bye. 78 00:04:47,788 --> 00:04:48,773 And I flew to South Africa 79 00:04:48,973 --> 00:04:51,609 And just kind of showed up at his house. 80 00:04:51,809 --> 00:04:54,445 Mr. Baker, nice to finally meet you. 81 00:04:54,645 --> 00:04:55,512 Huh? 82 00:04:55,712 --> 00:04:57,348 Thanks for having me. 83 00:04:57,548 --> 00:04:58,315 Yeah. 84 00:04:58,515 --> 00:04:59,884 And I lived with him. 85 00:05:01,552 --> 00:05:03,420 It was a truly humbling experience. 86 00:05:04,455 --> 00:05:06,891 Why don't you listen to the fucking story? 87 00:05:07,091 --> 00:05:08,592 This is a fucking nightmare. 88 00:05:08,792 --> 00:05:09,694 Fucking my brain up. 89 00:05:09,894 --> 00:05:12,730 People zapper. 90 00:05:12,930 --> 00:05:17,468 I wrote an article, and it was published in Rolling Stone. 91 00:05:20,804 --> 00:05:22,173 Thank you, Ginger Baker. 92 00:05:22,373 --> 00:05:25,409 He had gifted me with a career as a journalist, 93 00:05:25,609 --> 00:05:29,263 But I owed him so much more than just words on paper. 94 00:05:29,463 --> 00:05:33,175 People needed to meet the man, hear him play the drums, 95 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:37,088 And experience this legendary character for themselves. 96 00:05:43,794 --> 00:05:45,829 Phew. 97 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:53,304 As we enter into the Baker compound. 98 00:05:53,504 --> 00:05:57,441 Okay, the laws of South Africa, which are loose enough, 99 00:05:57,641 --> 00:05:58,609 No longer apply. 100 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,188 My friends. 101 00:06:14,926 --> 00:06:16,177 How are you? 102 00:06:16,377 --> 00:06:17,428 I'm great. 103 00:06:17,628 --> 00:06:21,065 Look. You got a smile on your face. 104 00:06:21,265 --> 00:06:22,199 You missed me! 105 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:24,601 - Yeah. - You missed me! 106 00:06:24,801 --> 00:06:27,004 I can see it in your eyes. 107 00:06:27,939 --> 00:06:30,908 So, you've been practicing the drums? 108 00:06:31,608 --> 00:06:32,744 Haven't touched them? 109 00:06:32,944 --> 00:06:34,678 Haven't touched them for months. 110 00:06:34,878 --> 00:06:35,947 Really? 111 00:06:36,147 --> 00:06:38,282 Meet Ginger Baker. 112 00:06:38,482 --> 00:06:38,950 Hello. 113 00:06:39,150 --> 00:06:42,686 The man, the myth, the legend. 114 00:06:42,886 --> 00:06:44,621 The only thing I can say to that, really, 115 00:06:44,821 --> 00:06:51,495 Is it's far too long a story to say on one interview. 116 00:06:51,695 --> 00:06:53,030 I'm writing a book. 117 00:06:53,230 --> 00:06:56,333 When the book's published, read it, 118 00:06:56,533 --> 00:06:59,703 And perhaps you'll understand. 119 00:06:59,903 --> 00:07:02,639 And when were you born? 120 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,576 You know when I was born. 121 00:07:06,777 --> 00:07:07,979 It's in the book. 122 00:07:08,179 --> 00:07:10,381 Fuck the book. We're not doing the book. 123 00:07:10,581 --> 00:07:14,018 It's the 19th of August 1939, 124 00:07:14,218 --> 00:07:17,888 Three weeks or so before war was declared. 125 00:07:24,695 --> 00:07:26,430 My dad was a hero. 126 00:07:28,465 --> 00:07:32,469 He died when I was 41/2 years old. 127 00:07:34,471 --> 00:07:36,507 You don't see bombs dropping, 128 00:07:36,707 --> 00:07:41,012 'Cause the siren goes off, and you're in the shelter. 129 00:07:41,212 --> 00:07:42,646 You hear them. 130 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,555 They used to go "bop, bop, bop, bop, bop"... 131 00:07:51,755 --> 00:07:53,157 This funny little clattering noise. 132 00:07:53,357 --> 00:07:56,827 And then the noise would stop, and they'd go... 133 00:08:01,365 --> 00:08:02,533 When we went back to school, 134 00:08:02,733 --> 00:08:06,537 There were quite a few empty desks, yeah. 135 00:08:11,508 --> 00:08:16,047 Yeah, the bombs going off, you know, to me was great. 136 00:08:17,781 --> 00:08:21,218 I still love explosions to this day, you know? 137 00:08:21,418 --> 00:08:23,920 You don't know. Right. 138 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,656 I love disasters. 139 00:08:29,860 --> 00:08:35,716 I was considered a troublemaker, a smartass, brainless child. 140 00:08:35,916 --> 00:08:41,772 I was part of this school gang, and we'd go in this record shop, 141 00:08:41,972 --> 00:08:45,742 And the other guys would be nicking records. 142 00:08:45,942 --> 00:08:47,611 But I was a decoy. 143 00:08:47,811 --> 00:08:51,648 I'd just take records into the booths and play them. 144 00:08:51,848 --> 00:08:55,686 And then one day, I heard "The Quintet of the Year." 145 00:09:04,561 --> 00:09:08,165 I didn't even have a record player, but I nicked it. 146 00:09:08,365 --> 00:09:09,466 All of a sudden, 147 00:09:09,666 --> 00:09:12,436 There was something that I really could relate to. 148 00:09:12,636 --> 00:09:14,638 You know, Max on "The Quintet of the Year" 149 00:09:14,838 --> 00:09:18,175 Is just out of this fucking world. 150 00:09:28,585 --> 00:09:33,757 My mom found the records, and she went fucking crazy. 151 00:09:33,957 --> 00:09:35,859 Mom used to use the strap on him, 152 00:09:36,059 --> 00:09:37,777 And it made no difference. 153 00:09:37,977 --> 00:09:39,496 I used to be in my bedroom, 154 00:09:39,696 --> 00:09:42,766 Listening to him being strapped and screaming. 155 00:09:42,966 --> 00:09:44,301 But it made no difference. 156 00:09:44,501 --> 00:09:47,354 She just said, "Look, if ever I find you 157 00:09:47,554 --> 00:09:50,407 "Doing something dishonest like this, 158 00:09:50,607 --> 00:09:52,609 I will call the police." 159 00:09:52,809 --> 00:09:56,380 So I wouldn't talk to the gang anymore, 160 00:09:56,580 --> 00:09:59,951 And I got beaten up several times by them. 161 00:10:00,151 --> 00:10:05,289 Started carving me up with a razor blade with tape around it. 162 00:10:05,489 --> 00:10:08,425 They carved all these lines all over my arms 163 00:10:08,625 --> 00:10:11,362 And my face and everything. 164 00:10:11,562 --> 00:10:14,298 I wasn't very popular when I went back to school. 165 00:10:15,766 --> 00:10:21,438 It was about this time that I'd got the letter from my dad. 166 00:10:21,638 --> 00:10:26,443 He wrote a letter for me to be opened when I was 14. 167 00:10:26,643 --> 00:10:29,746 "My dear son, it's just a little advice 168 00:10:29,946 --> 00:10:33,049 "In the way I should like you to turn out. 169 00:10:33,249 --> 00:10:35,118 "Be a man at all times. 170 00:10:35,318 --> 00:10:37,188 "Hold your own ground. 171 00:10:37,388 --> 00:10:38,455 "Use your fists. 172 00:10:38,655 --> 00:10:42,326 "They are your best pals so often. 173 00:10:42,526 --> 00:10:44,861 I remain your loving father." 174 00:10:45,061 --> 00:10:49,333 Before that, if people used to punch me and that, 175 00:10:49,533 --> 00:10:53,069 I just used to cry and think, "Why are they hitting me?" 176 00:10:53,269 --> 00:10:55,305 I wouldn't retaliate. 177 00:10:55,505 --> 00:10:57,541 And I beat this kid up. 178 00:11:02,879 --> 00:11:04,715 I was gonna kill him. 179 00:11:06,082 --> 00:11:08,152 It's the Baker temper. 180 00:11:08,352 --> 00:11:11,255 I've learnt to control it, but he hasn't. 181 00:11:13,257 --> 00:11:17,828 I was drumming all the time, as long as I can remember. 182 00:11:18,028 --> 00:11:21,432 I was always banging on the desks in school, 183 00:11:21,632 --> 00:11:25,702 And they were all just boogieing and dancing and going crazy. 184 00:11:25,902 --> 00:11:28,605 There was a party, and they had a band there. 185 00:11:28,805 --> 00:11:31,508 And all the kids from school kept saying, "Go on." 186 00:11:31,708 --> 00:11:34,411 Go and play the drums. Go and play the drums." 187 00:11:34,611 --> 00:11:37,714 And I just sat down, and I could play. 188 00:11:37,914 --> 00:11:41,618 That's when a light went off... I went "Fuck, I'm a drummer." 189 00:11:47,924 --> 00:11:50,061 It's a gift from God, Jay. 190 00:11:50,261 --> 00:11:52,729 You've either got it or you haven't. 191 00:11:52,929 --> 00:11:54,598 I had it. 192 00:11:57,801 --> 00:11:59,453 Had what? 193 00:11:59,653 --> 00:12:01,305 Time. 194 00:12:02,205 --> 00:12:04,074 Natural time. 195 00:12:12,349 --> 00:12:17,888 His drumbeat is so personal that I always know if it's him. 196 00:12:18,088 --> 00:12:20,491 I started doing quite well, I guess. 197 00:12:20,691 --> 00:12:25,629 I'd got a sort of reputation as a jazz drummer. 198 00:12:25,829 --> 00:12:27,198 My boyfriend at the time said, 199 00:12:27,398 --> 00:12:29,500 "Oh, you want to hear this drummer. 200 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:31,568 He's really great." 201 00:12:31,768 --> 00:12:35,238 She really could dance. She had really good time. 202 00:12:36,206 --> 00:12:39,176 And a good body, obviously. 203 00:12:39,376 --> 00:12:41,845 He's always been insecure deep down. 204 00:12:42,045 --> 00:12:47,451 And I think Ginger did search for a father figure, 205 00:12:47,651 --> 00:12:50,020 But they were always a drummer. 206 00:12:50,220 --> 00:12:55,058 One night, I was playing the all-nighter in the Flamingo, 207 00:12:55,258 --> 00:12:59,630 And I'd got offstage to be confronted by God. 208 00:13:08,805 --> 00:13:12,392 Phil was just the most amazing drummer. 209 00:13:12,592 --> 00:13:16,179 He was the only drummer at that time 210 00:13:16,379 --> 00:13:18,615 That brought tears to my eyes. 211 00:13:18,815 --> 00:13:23,520 He said, "You're the first fucking drummer I've heard here." 212 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:24,621 Come with me." 213 00:13:24,821 --> 00:13:28,692 So we go down into his basement flat, 214 00:13:28,892 --> 00:13:32,963 And that is when I got introduced to heroin 215 00:13:33,163 --> 00:13:35,432 And the African drummers. 216 00:13:35,632 --> 00:13:37,634 He tied this thing around his arm 217 00:13:37,834 --> 00:13:40,437 And told me, "When I tell you, undo it." 218 00:13:40,637 --> 00:13:45,208 And his arms were fucking just a mass of scars 219 00:13:45,408 --> 00:13:47,110 And tracks and stuff. 220 00:13:47,310 --> 00:13:49,713 And he managed to hit a vein, 221 00:13:49,913 --> 00:13:53,116 And I pulled the thing off, and he shot up. 222 00:13:54,084 --> 00:13:57,988 Then he gets out all these African records 223 00:13:58,188 --> 00:13:59,190 And Watusi drummers. 224 00:13:59,390 --> 00:14:01,258 African records... 225 00:14:01,458 --> 00:14:03,059 Watusi... African records... 226 00:14:03,259 --> 00:14:07,263 Gets out all these African records and Watusi... 227 00:14:20,544 --> 00:14:23,347 Phil said, "Where's the beat?" 228 00:14:23,547 --> 00:14:25,916 And I'm doing like a three beat on it. 229 00:14:26,116 --> 00:14:28,285 And he said, "No, no, no. Listen." 230 00:14:28,485 --> 00:14:31,988 And he played this four, the real beat, 231 00:14:32,188 --> 00:14:35,892 And it was like a fucking light going on it. 232 00:14:36,092 --> 00:14:42,332 Wow! The basic African rhythms were so fucking cool. 233 00:14:54,411 --> 00:14:57,914 Then Phil's giving me a great lecture 234 00:14:58,114 --> 00:15:01,351 About how I must never touch heroin ever, 235 00:15:01,551 --> 00:15:04,788 And I walked back five miles or something 236 00:15:04,988 --> 00:15:06,757 In the early-morning sunshine 237 00:15:06,957 --> 00:15:10,427 With Africa going through my head. 238 00:15:10,894 --> 00:15:13,597 I think with Ginger and the heroin, 239 00:15:13,797 --> 00:15:17,434 It was more he thought it would improve his playing. 240 00:15:17,634 --> 00:15:20,203 You're fearless if you use smack. 241 00:15:20,403 --> 00:15:21,705 You don't have any feelings. 242 00:15:21,905 --> 00:15:24,974 You're not scared of anybody or anything. 243 00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:28,244 Whatever you wanted to play, you played. 244 00:15:28,444 --> 00:15:30,080 It was just wonderful. 245 00:15:31,114 --> 00:15:32,983 He didn't want to be a family man 246 00:15:33,183 --> 00:15:35,719 Or anything like that, really and truly. 247 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:38,088 Liz discovered she was pregnant, 248 00:15:38,288 --> 00:15:40,257 And we were only 20 years old. 249 00:15:40,457 --> 00:15:45,596 So she tried to get rid of it, and it didn't work, thank God. 250 00:15:45,796 --> 00:15:47,298 They didn't want to have a child, 251 00:15:47,498 --> 00:15:49,199 And my mom took something, some tablets. 252 00:15:49,399 --> 00:15:53,837 He got some tablets off another drummer to get rid of me. 253 00:15:54,037 --> 00:15:55,406 I don't care. 254 00:15:55,606 --> 00:15:58,108 They would have been doing me a bloody favor. 255 00:15:58,308 --> 00:16:00,343 No, I don't mind, but it didn't work. 256 00:16:01,545 --> 00:16:03,113 No screaming or anything. 257 00:16:03,313 --> 00:16:04,014 The baby come out. 258 00:16:04,214 --> 00:16:05,649 And I'm carefully looking 259 00:16:05,849 --> 00:16:08,619 To make sure it's got all its toes and fingers and stuff, 260 00:16:08,819 --> 00:16:11,688 You know, thinking about the time 261 00:16:11,888 --> 00:16:14,758 We tried to abort it and stuff. 262 00:16:14,958 --> 00:16:16,860 There was this little kid. 263 00:16:17,060 --> 00:16:21,080 And that's when I decided to get straight, 264 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,301 And it took me another fucking 19 years or so. 265 00:16:25,501 --> 00:16:26,703 So, what's the difference 266 00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:29,806 Between your state of chemical dependencies now 267 00:16:30,006 --> 00:16:31,975 Than it was when you were a junkie? 268 00:16:32,175 --> 00:16:34,210 I've no idea. 269 00:16:34,410 --> 00:16:36,647 I take it every day. 270 00:16:36,847 --> 00:16:40,617 It's called degenerative osteoarthritis. 271 00:16:40,817 --> 00:16:43,053 Is that why you haven't been playing the drums? 272 00:16:43,253 --> 00:16:44,855 What?! 273 00:16:46,056 --> 00:16:47,590 Don't you fuck... 274 00:16:47,790 --> 00:16:49,125 How I restrain myself 275 00:16:49,325 --> 00:16:53,997 From throwing everything at you, Jay, I don't know. 276 00:16:54,197 --> 00:16:57,668 There's nothing you can do about it, is there? 277 00:17:00,971 --> 00:17:03,440 You're not gonna give up? 278 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,878 Sometimes I feel like doing just that. 279 00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:20,957 When you first met Jack Bruce, 280 00:17:21,157 --> 00:17:25,428 Was it as if you knew you had met your musical counterpart? 281 00:17:25,628 --> 00:17:27,998 Early on, for sure, yeah. 282 00:17:28,198 --> 00:17:31,902 I mean, he's a fucking brilliant player. 283 00:17:32,102 --> 00:17:33,904 There's no doubt about that. 284 00:17:34,104 --> 00:17:37,273 Ginger looked like a complete and utter madman. 285 00:17:37,473 --> 00:17:39,510 He was the loudest drummer I'd ever heard. 286 00:17:39,710 --> 00:17:44,014 And I wanted to play with him, so I asked if I could sit in. 287 00:17:44,214 --> 00:17:48,518 Kept bugging us to sit in, and he wouldn't fucking go away. 288 00:17:48,718 --> 00:17:50,153 So, of course, they did the thing 289 00:17:50,353 --> 00:17:53,440 That jazz musicians always do, which is to try and cut you. 290 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,727 I think the first thing they played was very, very fast. 291 00:17:56,927 --> 00:17:58,461 And he played it. 292 00:18:00,463 --> 00:18:02,733 Which is quite extraordinary. 293 00:18:02,933 --> 00:18:03,867 Jack got the gig 294 00:18:04,067 --> 00:18:07,070 With Alexis Korner's Blues Incorporated, 295 00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:11,574 And none of them were terribly happy with the drummer, 296 00:18:11,774 --> 00:18:13,076 Who was Charlie Watts. 297 00:18:13,276 --> 00:18:16,012 I actually don't know how long Ginger was with the band. 298 00:18:16,212 --> 00:18:20,717 I know he took over for me, on my recommendation. 299 00:18:20,917 --> 00:18:24,420 Charlie left the band so that I could join. 300 00:18:27,157 --> 00:18:30,193 Can you tell me the story of Mick Jagger? 301 00:18:31,895 --> 00:18:36,066 "Can you tell me what it was like meeting Mick Jagger?" 302 00:18:37,567 --> 00:18:42,138 This effeminate-looking kid got up and sung one number. 303 00:18:42,338 --> 00:18:46,910 And I'm going, "Jack, who is this stupid little cunt?" 304 00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:48,244 What's he doing here?" 305 00:18:48,444 --> 00:18:52,548 Jack and I used to put some jazz things in, 306 00:18:52,748 --> 00:18:55,151 Completely throw him off. 307 00:18:55,351 --> 00:18:57,937 I mean, I was a heavy junkie at the time, 308 00:18:58,137 --> 00:19:00,724 So I just terrified the shit out of him. 309 00:19:02,859 --> 00:19:06,930 And then Alexis decided to get Graham in the band. 310 00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:09,232 My first reaction to that was, "Fucking no. 311 00:19:09,432 --> 00:19:12,736 Alexis, watch it, 'cause he'll steal half the band," 312 00:19:12,936 --> 00:19:14,037 Which is exactly what he did. 313 00:19:14,237 --> 00:19:17,207 Can you contextualize who we're speaking about right now? 314 00:19:17,407 --> 00:19:19,943 Well, I've just said it, for fuck's sake. 315 00:19:20,143 --> 00:19:21,995 You just said "Graham." That's it. 316 00:19:22,195 --> 00:19:24,047 People who don't know who Graham is. 317 00:19:26,149 --> 00:19:28,051 Graham Bond was a fat guy. 318 00:19:29,753 --> 00:19:33,489 * Well, I was standing on the corner, waiting to go home * 319 00:19:33,689 --> 00:19:37,176 * When I heard this sound that made me want to go * 320 00:19:37,376 --> 00:19:40,864 * Well, it was coming from a doss across the street * 321 00:19:41,064 --> 00:19:43,599 * It was kind of stompy, with an R&B beat * 322 00:19:43,799 --> 00:19:44,884 * It went... * 323 00:19:45,084 --> 00:19:45,969 Harmonica! Oh! 324 00:19:46,169 --> 00:19:49,405 Graham Bond Organization was to musicians 325 00:19:49,605 --> 00:19:51,674 What The Beatles were to the public. 326 00:19:51,874 --> 00:19:53,209 Brilliant. 327 00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:56,012 Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker, Dick Heckstall-Smith, 328 00:19:56,212 --> 00:19:57,914 And Graham Bond were at the top. 329 00:19:58,114 --> 00:20:01,752 We were a band trying to be like a band in Chicago. 330 00:20:01,952 --> 00:20:03,686 But they were something else, you know? 331 00:20:03,886 --> 00:20:05,756 * Playin' with an R&B band * 332 00:20:05,956 --> 00:20:06,823 * Oh, yeah! * 333 00:20:07,023 --> 00:20:08,959 His reputation was as being, you know, 334 00:20:09,159 --> 00:20:12,012 Probably the best drummer around in those days. 335 00:20:12,212 --> 00:20:15,065 It was really Ginger's first taste of fame, yes. 336 00:20:15,265 --> 00:20:17,600 It's the same with you, Ginger. 337 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:18,902 This is beat. 338 00:20:20,170 --> 00:20:23,473 Don't worry about splitting your skins. 339 00:20:23,673 --> 00:20:26,409 They can be replaced. 340 00:20:26,609 --> 00:20:28,144 And so can you. 341 00:20:28,344 --> 00:20:32,248 They did sort of contain the seeds of their own destruction, 342 00:20:32,448 --> 00:20:35,034 What with Graham and Ginger's bad habits 343 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:37,821 And the conflict between Jack and Ginger. 344 00:20:38,021 --> 00:20:39,089 For two musicians 345 00:20:39,289 --> 00:20:41,858 Who were incredibly complementary to each other 346 00:20:42,058 --> 00:20:44,427 And who have played consistently over the years, 347 00:20:44,627 --> 00:20:50,333 It's really remarkable how well they didn't get along. 348 00:20:50,533 --> 00:20:53,436 It was a very sad situation, really. 349 00:20:53,636 --> 00:20:57,808 In the early days, when he was following me more, 350 00:20:58,008 --> 00:21:00,110 The music was really fucking great. 351 00:21:00,310 --> 00:21:04,180 When I switched from upright bass to bass guitar, 352 00:21:04,380 --> 00:21:06,249 That wasn't what Ginger wanted. 353 00:21:06,449 --> 00:21:09,485 I think that was when the problems started. 354 00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:13,790 Jack's like a guy who gets up before the sun comes 355 00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:15,859 To see the sun rise. 356 00:21:16,059 --> 00:21:19,396 He sees the sun come halfway over the horizon 357 00:21:19,596 --> 00:21:22,933 And runs home and says, "I've seen the sun rise." 358 00:21:23,133 --> 00:21:28,471 That was how Jack got the time things 359 00:21:28,671 --> 00:21:30,440 That I was showing him. 360 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,143 He didn't get the full picture. 361 00:21:33,343 --> 00:21:37,147 I have perfect time, which is a quite useful thing to have. 362 00:21:37,347 --> 00:21:39,482 Very few people have that. 363 00:21:39,682 --> 00:21:40,717 It's just a gift. 364 00:21:40,917 --> 00:21:44,520 The last number was always the drum solo. 365 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,306 And I've kicked into the drum solo, 366 00:21:47,506 --> 00:21:49,893 And Jack's, like, playing with me. 367 00:21:50,093 --> 00:21:53,696 I wouldn't be playing during his drum solo. 368 00:21:53,896 --> 00:21:57,300 And I off-loaded a right-hander on him. 369 00:21:57,500 --> 00:22:01,104 He went down on the ground, and I'm kicking him. 370 00:22:01,304 --> 00:22:03,756 You know, "Get up, you little cunt!" 371 00:22:03,956 --> 00:22:06,409 I was kicking the shit out of him. 372 00:22:08,278 --> 00:22:13,216 I just let go, and I was gonna kick him to death. 373 00:22:13,416 --> 00:22:16,819 And then he pulled a knife on me and said, "You're fired." 374 00:22:17,019 --> 00:22:18,754 And I said, "But you can't fire me. 375 00:22:18,954 --> 00:22:20,690 "It's The Graham Bond Organization, 376 00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:22,192 And I'm the founding member." 377 00:22:22,392 --> 00:22:23,293 But poor old Graham... 378 00:22:23,493 --> 00:22:25,862 He was well gone into smack by that time, 379 00:22:26,062 --> 00:22:27,330 So he didn't really care. 380 00:22:27,530 --> 00:22:31,667 Graham was probably a bigger disaster area than Ginger was. 381 00:22:31,867 --> 00:22:34,871 We would be using a mixture of cocaine, heroin, 382 00:22:35,071 --> 00:22:37,440 And lysergic acid in a fix. 383 00:22:38,608 --> 00:22:42,595 I was very hurt by not the knife thing, 384 00:22:42,795 --> 00:22:46,582 But the fact that I was out of that band. 385 00:22:46,782 --> 00:22:51,321 And it was very stupid of him, because the band was doing well, 386 00:22:51,521 --> 00:22:54,624 And I was quite an important part of the band. 387 00:22:54,824 --> 00:22:58,077 The band continued being very successful 388 00:22:58,277 --> 00:23:01,331 And just reached a point where I thought, 389 00:23:01,531 --> 00:23:06,136 "I've been running the band successfully for three years. 390 00:23:06,336 --> 00:23:10,173 Why don't I run my own band instead?" 391 00:23:21,985 --> 00:23:26,756 The first person I thought of was Eric. 392 00:23:34,597 --> 00:23:38,034 He saw something in me that I never saw before. 393 00:23:38,234 --> 00:23:39,836 He would say it was about time. 394 00:23:40,036 --> 00:23:43,473 He had time that very few people have. 395 00:23:43,673 --> 00:23:44,474 Eric had it. 396 00:23:44,674 --> 00:23:48,278 Ginger was pretty dismissive and antisocial... 397 00:23:48,478 --> 00:23:50,146 Seriously antisocial. 398 00:23:50,346 --> 00:23:51,815 But he had the gift. 399 00:23:52,015 --> 00:23:55,285 He had the spark, the flair, the panache. 400 00:23:55,485 --> 00:23:56,787 He had it in spades. 401 00:23:56,987 --> 00:23:58,889 And Jack had the same thing. 402 00:23:59,089 --> 00:24:02,358 He said, "What about Jack as the bass player?" 403 00:24:02,558 --> 00:24:05,828 And all the red lights in the world went off, 404 00:24:06,028 --> 00:24:07,663 And I thought, "Oh, God." 405 00:24:07,863 --> 00:24:11,534 I was very surprised when he came knocking again. 406 00:24:11,734 --> 00:24:13,569 I didn't see that coming. No. 407 00:24:13,769 --> 00:24:15,105 I didn't expect that, no. 408 00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:23,013 * Feel when I dance with you * 409 00:24:23,213 --> 00:24:27,117 * We move like the sea * 410 00:24:28,284 --> 00:24:32,955 * I feel free * 411 00:24:33,423 --> 00:24:36,192 * I can walk down the street, there's no one there * 412 00:24:36,392 --> 00:24:38,461 * Though the pavements are one huge crowd * 413 00:24:38,661 --> 00:24:41,364 * I can drive down the road, my eyes don't see * 414 00:24:41,564 --> 00:24:44,267 * Though my mind wants to cry out loud * 415 00:24:45,801 --> 00:24:48,287 When an atomic bomb went off like that, 416 00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:50,973 Like I think Cream really represented, 417 00:24:51,173 --> 00:24:53,076 It overwhelmed everything. 418 00:25:01,551 --> 00:25:05,021 When Hendrix came to England, he wanted to jam with Cream, 419 00:25:05,221 --> 00:25:08,691 Because there was nobody else that he admired as much. 420 00:25:08,891 --> 00:25:11,961 They were the beginning of many, many things. 421 00:25:12,161 --> 00:25:13,263 Cream absolutely might be called 422 00:25:13,463 --> 00:25:14,730 The first progressive band. 423 00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:15,899 The first supergroup. 424 00:25:16,099 --> 00:25:18,334 The first band that played in big arenas. 425 00:25:18,534 --> 00:25:19,602 The first jam band. 426 00:25:19,802 --> 00:25:23,339 They were breaking out of the chains of pop. 427 00:25:30,046 --> 00:25:31,447 We were fucking good. 428 00:25:31,647 --> 00:25:34,484 That's how we called ourselves Cream. 429 00:25:34,684 --> 00:25:38,454 We knew we were the three best musicians around. 430 00:25:38,654 --> 00:25:40,390 If Cream did not invent heavy metal, 431 00:25:40,590 --> 00:25:43,459 They certainly were part of a band of brothers 432 00:25:43,659 --> 00:25:47,596 That were very instrumental in facilitating it. 433 00:25:47,796 --> 00:25:51,734 The birth of heavy metal should have been aborted. 434 00:25:52,335 --> 00:25:54,637 He was really at the forefront 435 00:25:54,837 --> 00:25:57,140 Of a complete revolution of rock. 436 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,415 It's hard to find fault with the notion 437 00:26:06,615 --> 00:26:08,351 That he was the pioneer of a rock drummer. 438 00:26:08,551 --> 00:26:11,821 There was no context for him. There was no archetype. 439 00:26:12,021 --> 00:26:13,023 He is the archetype. 440 00:26:13,223 --> 00:26:14,891 Before Ginger, rhythm was 441 00:26:15,091 --> 00:26:16,892 "Ting, ting, ting-ting, ting, ting-ting." 442 00:26:17,092 --> 00:26:18,228 And Ginger comes along... 443 00:26:18,428 --> 00:26:21,364 "Dug-a-dug-dug, dug-a-dug-dug, Dug-dug-dug-a-dug..." 444 00:26:21,564 --> 00:26:25,301 * I'll be with you, darling, soon * 445 00:26:25,501 --> 00:26:30,373 * I'll be with you when the stars start falling * 446 00:26:30,573 --> 00:26:34,577 * I've been waiting so long * 447 00:26:35,311 --> 00:26:39,315 * To be where I'm going * 448 00:26:39,515 --> 00:26:46,689 * In the sunshine of your love * 449 00:26:49,592 --> 00:26:51,394 When he was listening to music as a kid, 450 00:26:51,594 --> 00:26:53,396 He wasn't listening to the Jimi Hendrix 451 00:26:53,596 --> 00:26:55,565 And guitar-hero bands and so on. 452 00:26:55,765 --> 00:26:57,116 He invented all that stuff. 453 00:26:57,316 --> 00:26:58,468 Jack brought it in as going 454 00:26:58,668 --> 00:27:01,337 "Diddle-a-di-di, di-di-da-dee-dee, diddle..." 455 00:27:01,537 --> 00:27:02,572 Dingbat, ditty bat. 456 00:27:02,772 --> 00:27:05,491 That's where Jack's head is writing. 457 00:27:05,691 --> 00:27:08,211 And I said, "Man, that's terrible. 458 00:27:08,411 --> 00:27:11,747 Why don't you slow it down and play it backwards?" 459 00:27:11,947 --> 00:27:14,917 Ba-da-da-ba, ba-ba... 460 00:27:15,785 --> 00:27:21,624 Another one is "White Room," the 5/4 bolero that makes it. 461 00:27:21,824 --> 00:27:25,828 Da, bum-bum-bum-bum, bum-bum-bum, da... 462 00:27:26,028 --> 00:27:27,696 Wasn't written like that. 463 00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:29,365 Jack wrote it in 4/4. 464 00:27:29,565 --> 00:27:32,702 He now declares "I wrote it in 5/4." 465 00:27:32,902 --> 00:27:33,436 I mean, hello? 466 00:27:33,636 --> 00:27:35,621 * In the white room * 467 00:27:35,821 --> 00:27:37,807 * With black curtains * 468 00:27:38,007 --> 00:27:40,910 * In the station * 469 00:27:41,677 --> 00:27:46,782 Today and for the last... How long is it now?.. 40 years, 470 00:27:46,982 --> 00:27:51,521 Pete Brown and Jack Bruce have been earning 471 00:27:51,721 --> 00:27:54,757 A hell of a lot more money from Cream 472 00:27:54,957 --> 00:27:58,294 Than Eric and I will ever earn, to this day. 473 00:27:58,494 --> 00:28:01,330 The guy who gets the credit for writing the song 474 00:28:01,530 --> 00:28:03,899 Is the guy who writes the lyric gets half of it, 475 00:28:04,099 --> 00:28:06,469 And the guy who writes the melody of the lyric 476 00:28:06,669 --> 00:28:07,570 Gets the other half. 477 00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:10,172 The drums are part of the arrangement, 478 00:28:10,372 --> 00:28:12,775 And the arrangement doesn't get royalties. 479 00:28:12,975 --> 00:28:13,576 Zip. Nada. 480 00:28:13,776 --> 00:28:15,645 Cream was my thing. 481 00:28:15,845 --> 00:28:18,881 And it did exactly what I planned it to do. 482 00:28:19,081 --> 00:28:22,117 Only I'm the guy who lost out on it. 483 00:28:22,317 --> 00:28:24,287 I'm fucking broke right now. 484 00:28:24,487 --> 00:28:28,258 * Run from themselves * 485 00:28:38,634 --> 00:28:41,003 To Jack Bruce's counterpoint, he gives rhythm, 486 00:28:41,203 --> 00:28:44,006 And to Eric Clapton's technical virtuosity, he gives shape. 487 00:28:44,206 --> 00:28:47,009 On their first tour together, he practiced so intensively 488 00:28:47,209 --> 00:28:49,479 That he left behind him a trail of hotel bills 489 00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:50,646 For broken furniture. 490 00:28:50,846 --> 00:28:53,015 We asked him if he still practiced as much. 491 00:28:53,215 --> 00:28:56,218 No. I don't practice at all. 492 00:28:56,418 --> 00:28:57,520 Not at all? 493 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,555 I used to, but I don't anymore. 494 00:28:59,755 --> 00:29:01,724 I just used to play solos. 495 00:29:01,924 --> 00:29:06,429 Just used to sit on the drum kit and play it all day. 496 00:29:06,629 --> 00:29:07,430 Can you show us some? 497 00:29:07,630 --> 00:29:10,216 - You want me to play? - Please. 498 00:29:10,416 --> 00:29:13,002 At this time of the day. 499 00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:31,487 Independence... the ability to play a different thing 500 00:29:31,687 --> 00:29:33,423 With all four limbs, 501 00:29:33,623 --> 00:29:36,892 Which is how I play things that sound incredibly fast 502 00:29:37,092 --> 00:29:39,962 When I'm not actually moving anything very fast. 503 00:29:40,162 --> 00:29:43,299 Because all four beats are landing in a different place, 504 00:29:43,499 --> 00:29:46,201 So what comes out is four times as fast. 505 00:29:47,603 --> 00:29:51,240 But it's not how fast you play. 506 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,376 It's what you say. 507 00:30:00,950 --> 00:30:03,386 Ginger Baker's most notable achievement 508 00:30:03,586 --> 00:30:06,389 That should be recognized is the first rock drum solo. 509 00:30:06,589 --> 00:30:08,158 And me as a 15-year-old kid at the time 510 00:30:08,358 --> 00:30:11,193 Was like, "Yeah, yeah, that's the rock drummer I want to be." 511 00:30:11,393 --> 00:30:12,195 I must have been 16. 512 00:30:12,395 --> 00:30:13,796 I was exactly the sweet spot 513 00:30:13,996 --> 00:30:17,333 Where my brain clicked on and said, "What's it all about?" 514 00:30:17,533 --> 00:30:18,368 It was Ginger's drums. 515 00:30:18,568 --> 00:30:20,403 I'm here today because of Ginger, 516 00:30:20,603 --> 00:30:23,322 Because he was the absolute inspiration 517 00:30:23,522 --> 00:30:26,041 For me being in a band, playing the drums. 518 00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:30,012 I absolutely thought, "You know, that's what I'd like to be." 519 00:30:39,288 --> 00:30:40,523 It became Ginger's thing. 520 00:30:40,723 --> 00:30:42,858 He'd do these very long drum solos. 521 00:30:43,058 --> 00:30:45,361 You either liked them or you didn't like them. 522 00:30:45,561 --> 00:30:49,198 I liked them because I could go off and have a smoke, you know? 523 00:30:49,398 --> 00:30:51,133 Cream... How popular were they? 524 00:30:51,333 --> 00:30:52,534 Oh, huge, huge. 525 00:30:52,734 --> 00:30:53,736 How huge is "huge"? 526 00:30:53,936 --> 00:30:56,722 Well, they did three nights in Madison Square Garden. 527 00:30:56,922 --> 00:30:59,709 They could have done two weeks and sold out every night. 528 00:30:59,909 --> 00:31:01,844 When a promoter hired The Cream, 529 00:31:02,044 --> 00:31:05,481 Ginger wanted a case of beer and two black hookers 530 00:31:05,681 --> 00:31:08,117 And a white limo or he wouldn't play. 531 00:31:08,317 --> 00:31:09,151 I've been in hotel rooms, 532 00:31:09,351 --> 00:31:11,020 And there's been a knock on the door. 533 00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:12,154 I've opened the door, 534 00:31:12,354 --> 00:31:14,890 And there's been three groupies all standing there. 535 00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:17,026 Just queues of chicks waiting. 536 00:31:17,226 --> 00:31:20,062 One would knock on the door and climb into bed. 537 00:31:20,262 --> 00:31:22,164 We used to call them "star fuckers." 538 00:31:22,364 --> 00:31:24,066 You know, they'd come and say like, 539 00:31:24,266 --> 00:31:26,969 "I'd like to give you a blowjob and see you come." 540 00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:31,006 They all wanted to fuck Cream, you know? 541 00:31:31,206 --> 00:31:34,410 It was quite a rapid rise to fame. 542 00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:38,147 I don't know whether it was too fast for Ginger. 543 00:31:38,347 --> 00:31:39,382 I didn't really care. 544 00:31:39,582 --> 00:31:43,352 We'd lived in a succession of not very nice places. 545 00:31:43,552 --> 00:31:44,487 And then for once, we thought, 546 00:31:44,687 --> 00:31:47,990 "Oh, we can actually buy a house of our own." 547 00:31:48,190 --> 00:31:51,494 The family at home was something totally separate 548 00:31:51,694 --> 00:31:53,629 From being on tour. 549 00:31:53,829 --> 00:31:57,482 His dad died when he was 4 or something like that. 550 00:31:57,682 --> 00:32:01,136 So he didn't really have someone, a role-model father. 551 00:32:01,336 --> 00:32:06,776 He communicates more through his drums than through his words. 552 00:32:06,976 --> 00:32:10,513 I told my wife long before we were married, 553 00:32:10,713 --> 00:32:14,917 "If you get me to choose between the drums and you, 554 00:32:15,117 --> 00:32:17,019 I'm gonna choose the drums." 555 00:32:18,554 --> 00:32:20,490 We had no other interest. 556 00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:22,792 There was nothing else going on. 557 00:32:22,992 --> 00:32:24,260 There was no family. 558 00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:27,062 There was no desires for success. 559 00:32:27,262 --> 00:32:29,865 There was no commerciality involved. 560 00:32:30,065 --> 00:32:31,301 There was no responsibility 561 00:32:31,501 --> 00:32:35,671 Other than to that unique moment in time when we were together. 562 00:32:35,871 --> 00:32:37,940 And for a short, sweet period of time, 563 00:32:38,140 --> 00:32:42,211 It was unfettered and extreme and beautiful. 564 00:32:42,411 --> 00:32:43,279 They were like Vikings. 565 00:32:43,479 --> 00:32:45,664 You know, they just came on our shore 566 00:32:45,864 --> 00:32:47,850 And just took the women and the children, 567 00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:50,853 It was scorched earth. There was no question about it. 568 00:32:51,053 --> 00:32:52,688 They were here to take heads. 569 00:32:52,888 --> 00:32:56,992 We went there to show the Yanks how to play. 570 00:32:57,192 --> 00:32:59,128 I saw them when they first came to San Francisco. 571 00:32:59,328 --> 00:33:03,098 They looked and sounded like giants. 572 00:33:03,298 --> 00:33:07,736 They took off and started playing supersonic music. 573 00:33:07,936 --> 00:33:11,590 And supersonic music is when the Holy Ghost takes over 574 00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:15,444 And you're playing something that, when you hear it back, 575 00:33:15,644 --> 00:33:17,446 You have no idea what the hell you did. 576 00:33:56,018 --> 00:34:00,189 There was something about that little chemistry that we had, 577 00:34:00,389 --> 00:34:01,657 Ginger and me and Eric. 578 00:34:01,857 --> 00:34:04,159 It'll never be repeated by anybody else. 579 00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:08,163 Cream... They were together shorter than our last tour. 580 00:34:08,363 --> 00:34:11,801 You know, we've been on the road for two years and two months. 581 00:34:12,001 --> 00:34:14,704 That's two months longer than their entire life-span. 582 00:34:14,904 --> 00:34:16,639 Sam Kinison would say, "I've had parties 583 00:34:16,839 --> 00:34:18,373 That lasted more than two years." 584 00:34:18,573 --> 00:34:23,178 * We... * 585 00:34:24,914 --> 00:34:30,019 Cream only lasted as long as it did because it was so popular. 586 00:34:30,219 --> 00:34:34,724 I just couldn't handle working with Jack anymore. 587 00:34:34,924 --> 00:34:36,358 Whatever energy was happening 588 00:34:36,558 --> 00:34:39,662 Between Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker 589 00:34:39,862 --> 00:34:42,297 Also mounted Eric 590 00:34:42,497 --> 00:34:45,517 To play beyond what he was playing with John Mayall 591 00:34:45,717 --> 00:34:48,738 Or later on, all the other bands that he played. 592 00:34:48,938 --> 00:34:51,073 They focused on one another all the time 593 00:34:51,273 --> 00:34:53,408 For their aggression and their frustrations, 594 00:34:53,608 --> 00:34:54,610 And it wore me out. 595 00:34:54,810 --> 00:34:57,546 I remember Eric breaking down in tears once. 596 00:34:57,746 --> 00:35:01,083 That was not very good. 597 00:35:01,283 --> 00:35:02,017 Sorry, Eric. 598 00:35:02,217 --> 00:35:03,953 From time to time, I would break down 599 00:35:04,153 --> 00:35:06,188 And just go, "I can't stand this anymore." 600 00:35:06,388 --> 00:35:08,407 'Cause I was really on the sidelines, 601 00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:10,817 And I knew I couldn't affect anything, 602 00:35:11,017 --> 00:35:13,028 Because I didn't have the understanding 603 00:35:13,228 --> 00:35:16,298 Or the power to be able to do anything about it. 604 00:35:16,498 --> 00:35:17,900 You'd just run, really. 605 00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:20,970 And, you know, when Cream, I thought, had run its course, 606 00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:24,807 I was quite keen to get out of there and have a break, really. 607 00:35:28,911 --> 00:35:30,980 A banger... You know, a firework, 608 00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:33,115 Whatever you call them... Cracker or whatever... 609 00:35:33,315 --> 00:35:34,950 They only last a second, don't they, 610 00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:37,286 And they fizzle up and burn up and that's it. 611 00:35:37,486 --> 00:35:40,506 It's all dead and gone. And the band was like that. 612 00:35:40,706 --> 00:35:43,726 They were never, ever going to be a long-lasting band. 613 00:35:43,926 --> 00:35:49,631 * We're going wrong * 614 00:36:02,712 --> 00:36:05,014 Hello, Bonnie. 615 00:36:13,155 --> 00:36:20,229 Mimosa, don't be scared of the camera. 616 00:36:22,364 --> 00:36:26,902 You're a soldier boy, aren't you? 617 00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:30,372 Big old, tough soldier boy. 618 00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:39,148 Eric and I decided that we wanted to get together 619 00:36:39,348 --> 00:36:41,550 With this project with Blind Faith. 620 00:36:42,151 --> 00:36:45,988 And... 621 00:36:46,856 --> 00:36:48,858 Ginger showed up. 622 00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:54,196 I just hit it off musically with Stevie 623 00:36:54,396 --> 00:36:57,733 In the same way as I had hit off with Eric. 624 00:36:57,933 --> 00:37:00,202 Stevie had time. 625 00:37:00,402 --> 00:37:04,539 I actually didn't realize until quite a bit later 626 00:37:04,739 --> 00:37:06,642 That Eric was so horrified 627 00:37:06,842 --> 00:37:10,195 That he was hooking up with Ginger again. 628 00:37:10,395 --> 00:37:13,749 The last person that Eric wanted on drums 629 00:37:13,949 --> 00:37:16,018 With his new venture was Ginger. 630 00:37:16,218 --> 00:37:20,622 I believe he turned up at a rehearsal and said, "Right." 631 00:37:20,822 --> 00:37:22,624 Where do we start?" 632 00:37:27,696 --> 00:37:30,099 * It's already written * 633 00:37:30,299 --> 00:37:35,437 * That today will be one to remember * 634 00:37:38,874 --> 00:37:41,911 * The feeling's the same * 635 00:37:42,111 --> 00:37:47,049 * As being outside of the law * 636 00:37:51,887 --> 00:37:56,291 * Had to cry today * 637 00:38:01,630 --> 00:38:06,435 * Saw your sign, and I missed you then * 638 00:38:07,937 --> 00:38:10,572 We were called a supergroup from day one. 639 00:38:10,772 --> 00:38:12,007 We hit the road too early. 640 00:38:12,207 --> 00:38:14,977 And, you know, it overpowered us. 641 00:38:16,245 --> 00:38:20,850 I think Ginger was as happy as a pig in shit in Blind Faith. 642 00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:24,386 You know, there was no one... There was Rick Grech... 643 00:38:24,586 --> 00:38:27,673 Great player, you know, but no Jack Bruce. 644 00:38:27,873 --> 00:38:30,960 And Ginger could fucking do what he wants. 645 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:41,603 * Do what you like * 646 00:38:41,803 --> 00:38:47,309 I was driving a Shelby Cobra up the coast to Los Angeles 647 00:38:47,509 --> 00:38:50,729 With three gorgeous chicks in the car. 648 00:38:50,929 --> 00:38:53,949 And the radio station stopped the music 649 00:38:54,149 --> 00:38:59,321 With the news that Ginger Baker, Blind Faith drummer, 650 00:38:59,521 --> 00:39:02,224 Had just been found dead in his hotel room 651 00:39:02,424 --> 00:39:04,393 From a heroin overdose. 652 00:39:06,795 --> 00:39:09,999 And I went "Fucking hell. I must be in heaven," you know? 653 00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:12,935 I'm driving this supercar with three super chicks. 654 00:39:16,771 --> 00:39:19,608 There was huge amounts of drugs, 655 00:39:19,808 --> 00:39:25,180 Which at the time, I must admit, I didn't really know about, 656 00:39:25,380 --> 00:39:27,749 Because I was probably smoking so much weed, 657 00:39:27,949 --> 00:39:30,319 I didn't really know what was going on anyway. 658 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,289 Every time we got to Los Angeles, 659 00:39:34,489 --> 00:39:36,191 The drugs would appear, 660 00:39:36,391 --> 00:39:41,130 So I decided to go to Hawaii after the tour 661 00:39:41,330 --> 00:39:43,598 To try and get straight. 662 00:39:43,798 --> 00:39:46,635 So Liz come out with the kids. 663 00:39:46,835 --> 00:39:50,172 Considering all the places we've left him before, 664 00:39:50,372 --> 00:39:52,975 I have to say it was marvelous. 665 00:39:55,344 --> 00:40:01,250 * You are the reason I've been waiting so long * 666 00:40:01,450 --> 00:40:04,886 * Somebody holds the key * 667 00:40:05,086 --> 00:40:08,323 * Well, I'm near the end * 668 00:40:08,523 --> 00:40:13,495 * And I just ain't got the time * 669 00:40:14,863 --> 00:40:16,732 * And I'm wasted * 670 00:40:16,932 --> 00:40:22,137 * And I can't find my way home * 671 00:40:22,337 --> 00:40:25,340 Only at that time, there was more heroin on Hawaii 672 00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:27,810 Than there was in Los Angeles. 673 00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:31,780 It wasn't a good place to be to get straight. 674 00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:34,566 So we decided to go to Jamaica. 675 00:40:34,766 --> 00:40:37,152 That's when I flew my car out. 676 00:40:37,352 --> 00:40:42,091 That is wild, to fly your car over to Jamaica. 677 00:40:42,291 --> 00:40:44,193 That's crazy. 678 00:40:44,393 --> 00:40:49,098 You get to feel that the money is inexhaustible, 679 00:40:49,298 --> 00:40:50,699 Which, of course, it isn't. 680 00:40:50,899 --> 00:40:55,170 It was like nearly three months after the last gig 681 00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:57,372 That I came back to London. 682 00:40:57,572 --> 00:41:02,244 I'd brought back quite a lot of dope in some masks and stuff. 683 00:41:02,444 --> 00:41:04,313 And so I went to see Stevie 684 00:41:04,513 --> 00:41:07,983 With a bag of grass as a little present. 685 00:41:08,183 --> 00:41:11,653 And he told me that Eric had gone off 686 00:41:11,853 --> 00:41:13,856 With Delaney and Bonnie 687 00:41:14,056 --> 00:41:16,525 And he was getting Traffic back together. 688 00:41:16,725 --> 00:41:20,395 I take full responsibility for having, you know, 689 00:41:20,595 --> 00:41:23,798 Strong interests in going somewhere else. 690 00:41:23,998 --> 00:41:26,968 But they wouldn't have been quite so strong 691 00:41:27,168 --> 00:41:29,939 If the core of the band had been better. 692 00:41:30,139 --> 00:41:34,209 Were you hurt at all that Eric had left without telling you? 693 00:41:34,409 --> 00:41:37,079 No. You could see it coming. 694 00:41:37,279 --> 00:41:39,748 Something to do with me getting so fucked up 695 00:41:39,948 --> 00:41:42,017 On the end of the tour. 696 00:41:42,217 --> 00:41:46,288 He's the best friend I've got on this planet 697 00:41:46,488 --> 00:41:49,624 And always will be, okay? 698 00:41:49,824 --> 00:41:54,163 Whether it be polo or the drums or drugs, 699 00:41:54,363 --> 00:41:57,399 Ginger seems to always go full force 700 00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,134 Into whatever he's doing. 701 00:41:59,334 --> 00:42:02,137 Compulsion. We're talking about compulsion. 702 00:42:02,337 --> 00:42:07,376 You know, what's the payoff in being compulsive? 703 00:42:07,576 --> 00:42:12,214 You know, for Ginger, I'm not gonna be his doctor in this 704 00:42:12,414 --> 00:42:15,033 Or psychologist or make a diagnosis. 705 00:42:15,233 --> 00:42:17,852 I can't make a diagnosis of Ginger. 706 00:42:18,052 --> 00:42:20,589 When I was driving in today, 707 00:42:20,789 --> 00:42:23,758 I thought, "Well, do I know Ginger well?" 708 00:42:23,958 --> 00:42:25,027 Do I?" 709 00:42:25,227 --> 00:42:28,480 I've been with him in fairly rarefied situations, 710 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,708 Which allowed me to see certain sides of him. 711 00:42:31,908 --> 00:42:34,936 I probably haven't seen him like you've seen him, 712 00:42:35,136 --> 00:42:37,873 Because I didn't take the effort, the time, 713 00:42:38,073 --> 00:42:41,876 The risk to step into his life and become a part of it 714 00:42:42,076 --> 00:42:43,478 For any length of time. 715 00:42:43,678 --> 00:42:45,414 You know, I've always pulled back 716 00:42:45,614 --> 00:42:48,683 When it started to get scary or threatening 717 00:42:48,883 --> 00:42:51,220 Or just difficult. 718 00:42:52,587 --> 00:42:55,457 You guys want to wait a minute? 'Cause I'm about to cry. 719 00:42:55,657 --> 00:42:56,125 Why? 720 00:42:56,325 --> 00:42:58,360 'Cause, I mean... 721 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,662 I might cry. 722 00:43:00,862 --> 00:43:02,331 Why? Because Ginger is... 723 00:43:02,531 --> 00:43:05,434 He's all by himself, all alone, in the woods or something. 724 00:43:05,634 --> 00:43:07,068 Well, he's got a wife. He's got... 725 00:43:07,268 --> 00:43:08,570 Oh! Well, then I won't. 726 00:43:09,871 --> 00:43:13,708 You guys are trying to live a pretty quiet life here. 727 00:43:13,908 --> 00:43:16,678 As quiet as possible. 728 00:43:20,782 --> 00:43:23,585 Lisa's a little angel. 729 00:43:23,785 --> 00:43:25,720 Hello, Lisa. 730 00:43:27,522 --> 00:43:29,424 I'm extremely fond of her. 731 00:43:29,624 --> 00:43:31,860 I think of her like she's my own. 732 00:43:32,060 --> 00:43:33,995 I wasn't studying yesterday. 733 00:43:35,264 --> 00:43:38,167 She's a great little kid. 734 00:43:38,367 --> 00:43:42,070 It's really nice to have a family again. 735 00:43:43,605 --> 00:43:49,411 If that falls apart, I really don't know what to do. 736 00:43:49,611 --> 00:43:52,247 So Ginger is a good stepfather? 737 00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:57,886 Stepfather. 738 00:43:59,254 --> 00:44:01,256 Yeah. 739 00:44:01,456 --> 00:44:06,428 Do you find yourself to be a tragic hero? 740 00:44:06,628 --> 00:44:08,163 Go on with the interview. 741 00:44:08,363 --> 00:44:11,666 Stop trying to be an intellectual dickhead. 742 00:44:49,304 --> 00:44:51,740 * Tell me * 743 00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:54,976 * Tell me, Toady * 744 00:44:55,176 --> 00:44:56,511 Ginger's not just a player. 745 00:44:56,711 --> 00:44:58,747 He's also a bandleader and arranger. 746 00:44:58,947 --> 00:45:02,251 We were all brought up on the big-band era, you know? 747 00:45:02,451 --> 00:45:04,986 And that's what Air force was like. 748 00:45:05,186 --> 00:45:07,222 * Tell me * 749 00:45:07,422 --> 00:45:10,259 * Tell me, Toady * 750 00:45:10,459 --> 00:45:13,895 I made a stupid decision of saying, "Okay." 751 00:45:14,095 --> 00:45:17,632 "Well, I've made my money with Cream and Blind Faith, 752 00:45:17,832 --> 00:45:20,802 So I will pay the band all the money." 753 00:45:21,002 --> 00:45:23,438 Just ridiculously expensive... Hotel bills, 754 00:45:23,638 --> 00:45:25,374 The transportation, the wages. 755 00:45:25,574 --> 00:45:28,743 The name came from the air force section 756 00:45:28,943 --> 00:45:33,181 Of the Duke Ellington Band, which was the junkie section. 757 00:45:33,381 --> 00:45:34,649 It really was an air force. 758 00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:37,752 I think somebody said that they were flying at 30,000 feet, 759 00:45:37,952 --> 00:45:39,088 I think it was. 760 00:45:39,288 --> 00:45:40,922 It was a very high band. 761 00:45:43,792 --> 00:45:47,662 Now they're saying Air force was some kind of a fusion band. 762 00:45:47,862 --> 00:45:49,798 I don't know what the fuck that is. 763 00:45:49,998 --> 00:45:55,304 You can't put music in boxes, especially my music. 764 00:46:03,412 --> 00:46:05,247 It was really exciting. 765 00:46:05,447 --> 00:46:06,948 I thought it was gonna last forever. 766 00:46:07,148 --> 00:46:11,786 But, you know, Ginger's bands have tended to be like that. 767 00:46:11,986 --> 00:46:13,204 Didn't they? 768 00:46:13,404 --> 00:46:14,423 Like what? 769 00:46:14,623 --> 00:46:16,491 You hear them, you think, "This is fabulous." 770 00:46:16,691 --> 00:46:17,926 It's gonna go on forever." 771 00:46:18,126 --> 00:46:19,228 And it lasts a week. 772 00:46:19,428 --> 00:46:22,431 Maybe that's just part of being him, you know? 773 00:46:22,631 --> 00:46:23,965 I don't know. 774 00:46:24,165 --> 00:46:27,769 Because of his fame from Cream and Blind Faith, 775 00:46:27,969 --> 00:46:29,304 You know, he was considered 776 00:46:29,504 --> 00:46:31,373 The great rock drummer of his generation. 777 00:46:31,573 --> 00:46:34,409 But as Ginger will tell you, he was a jazz drummer. 778 00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:37,979 The general public are so fucking dumb. 779 00:46:38,179 --> 00:46:43,685 That, you know, like, that anybody could think of Bonham 780 00:46:43,885 --> 00:46:48,657 Was anywhere near this kind of drummer I am, 781 00:46:48,857 --> 00:46:51,292 It's just extraordinary. 782 00:46:51,492 --> 00:46:53,728 Bonham had technique, 783 00:46:53,928 --> 00:46:57,699 But he couldn't swing a fucking sack of shit. 784 00:46:57,899 --> 00:47:00,169 Or Moonie, for that matter. 785 00:47:00,369 --> 00:47:04,873 I mean, if they were still alive today, ask them. 786 00:47:07,041 --> 00:47:08,177 When they think of Ginger, 787 00:47:08,377 --> 00:47:10,144 They think of Keith Moon and Bonham. 788 00:47:10,344 --> 00:47:12,547 No, no, no, no. 789 00:47:12,747 --> 00:47:15,150 Ginger was nothing like those players. 790 00:47:15,350 --> 00:47:17,952 His musical capabilities are full-spectrum. 791 00:47:18,152 --> 00:47:20,388 He can write and compose and arrange, 792 00:47:20,588 --> 00:47:22,824 And he has an ear, and he is harmonic. 793 00:47:23,024 --> 00:47:24,559 He's a fully formed musician. 794 00:47:24,759 --> 00:47:27,362 He wanted to be respected by the jazz drummers, 795 00:47:27,562 --> 00:47:29,030 So Ginger did these drum battles 796 00:47:29,230 --> 00:47:32,367 With the guys he looked up to, thought were the great drummers. 797 00:48:33,662 --> 00:48:35,530 What always happens is you end up, 798 00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:37,599 If you're playing with a good guy, 799 00:48:37,799 --> 00:48:39,434 You end up playing together. 800 00:49:14,569 --> 00:49:16,571 By him taking all these guys on... 801 00:49:16,771 --> 00:49:20,158 And nobody else really did in the "rock world"... 802 00:49:20,358 --> 00:49:23,119 He was considered to be in that elite echelon 803 00:49:23,319 --> 00:49:25,634 Of great jazz drummers, which, ultimately, 804 00:49:25,834 --> 00:49:28,226 That's what he considered himself to be... 805 00:49:28,426 --> 00:49:30,990 The great jazz drummer of his generation. 806 00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:33,555 Not a fucking rock drummer. 807 00:49:33,755 --> 00:49:36,958 So, here you are, at the height of your career. 808 00:49:37,158 --> 00:49:39,427 You've battled all the greatest drummers. 809 00:49:39,627 --> 00:49:40,895 You've become a bandleader. 810 00:49:41,095 --> 00:49:44,032 And you decide to go to Africa. 811 00:49:44,232 --> 00:49:45,800 Oh, God. 812 00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:55,009 Way back, when Phil turned me on to all the African drummers, 813 00:49:55,209 --> 00:50:03,918 It was obviously very high on my priorities to go to Africa. 814 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:08,356 Ginger says, "How do you feel about filming me" 815 00:50:08,556 --> 00:50:09,391 Going across the Sahara?" 816 00:50:09,591 --> 00:50:11,226 And I said, "How are you proposing 817 00:50:11,426 --> 00:50:12,944 To go across the Sahara, Ginger?" 818 00:50:13,144 --> 00:50:14,663 And he said, "I'm gonna drive." 819 00:50:14,863 --> 00:50:17,699 * Ah-ah-ah-ah * 820 00:50:17,899 --> 00:50:20,952 * Ah-ah-ah * 821 00:50:21,152 --> 00:50:23,212 * Ah-ah-ah-ah * 822 00:50:23,412 --> 00:50:25,473 * Ah-ah-ah * 823 00:50:30,278 --> 00:50:39,520 * Ah-ah-ah * 824 00:50:48,362 --> 00:50:52,133 There was that questing spirit of a true artist there. 825 00:50:52,333 --> 00:50:54,969 It was news that Ginger dropped out, 826 00:50:55,169 --> 00:50:57,171 Or he went following the groove. 827 00:51:01,542 --> 00:51:03,778 From Africa. 828 00:51:08,049 --> 00:51:11,886 He predates everybody else who later on said, 829 00:51:12,086 --> 00:51:14,188 "We discovered the sounds of Africa." 830 00:51:14,388 --> 00:51:18,392 The only person that made me cry before playing was Phil, 831 00:51:18,592 --> 00:51:19,928 And these guys had me crying, 832 00:51:20,128 --> 00:51:24,465 Because the time things they were doing were just so subtle. 833 00:51:24,665 --> 00:51:27,135 This is why I went to Africa. 834 00:51:31,339 --> 00:51:33,908 When I arrived in Nigeria, 835 00:51:34,108 --> 00:51:37,678 I went straight to the Afro Spot. 836 00:51:37,878 --> 00:51:41,249 And there was Fela playing onstage. 837 00:51:41,449 --> 00:51:47,021 And it was just like, "Wow, man. This is cool." 838 00:51:52,093 --> 00:51:57,832 It was unlike anything anybody else was playing. 839 00:51:58,032 --> 00:52:00,301 Fela was like, "That's Ginger Baker! 840 00:52:00,501 --> 00:52:02,637 That's Ginger Baker!" 841 00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:05,974 Who is Fela? 842 00:52:06,174 --> 00:52:09,343 Some say he's the greatest musician in Africa, 843 00:52:09,543 --> 00:52:13,281 Others that he's a prophet, still others that he's a rebel, 844 00:52:13,481 --> 00:52:14,315 A revolutionary tribune. 845 00:52:14,515 --> 00:52:17,568 Fela was one of the most important, influential, 846 00:52:17,768 --> 00:52:20,822 And courageous musicians of the 20th century. 847 00:52:22,857 --> 00:52:24,726 Ginger got the opportunity 848 00:52:24,926 --> 00:52:27,561 To sit in the drum chair for a while 849 00:52:27,761 --> 00:52:28,597 Of one of the greatest bands 850 00:52:28,797 --> 00:52:30,899 Ever to play African popular music. 851 00:52:43,011 --> 00:52:46,547 Ginger was very close to everybody... 852 00:52:46,747 --> 00:52:49,416 The girls, my father, the band. 853 00:52:49,616 --> 00:52:52,086 It was a color-blind situation. 854 00:52:52,286 --> 00:52:56,024 They smoked together, they drank together, had women together. 855 00:52:56,224 --> 00:52:58,026 They played together... Everything together. 856 00:53:27,455 --> 00:53:31,059 The first... or only Western musician to go out there 857 00:53:31,259 --> 00:53:33,928 And immerse himself and live in it, 858 00:53:34,128 --> 00:53:36,798 In the squalor of it, was Ginger. 859 00:53:41,970 --> 00:53:44,939 And this studio became the first 16-track studio 860 00:53:45,139 --> 00:53:47,241 We've got in our country. 861 00:53:47,441 --> 00:53:49,343 Fela stopped using EMI 862 00:53:49,543 --> 00:53:53,214 And started to use Ginger Baker's studio. 863 00:53:53,414 --> 00:53:57,768 Now, who leaves England to go and record in Lagos? 864 00:53:57,968 --> 00:54:03,399 Africa at that time in Nigeria was an absolute hotbed 865 00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:09,030 Of revolution, of death, of unaccountable violence. 866 00:54:09,898 --> 00:54:14,035 It was a great place to be in those days. 867 00:54:18,439 --> 00:54:21,976 I was in Africa for a period of six years. 868 00:54:22,176 --> 00:54:25,713 It was sort of like the "flower power" days 869 00:54:25,913 --> 00:54:27,582 In Nigeria, you know? 870 00:54:27,782 --> 00:54:30,885 You can't imagine the '70s in Nigeria, 871 00:54:31,085 --> 00:54:33,888 How much fun they all had. 872 00:54:41,395 --> 00:54:44,866 Fela... We used to call him the black president, 873 00:54:45,066 --> 00:54:47,135 And he formed the Calakuta Party. 874 00:54:47,335 --> 00:54:51,639 And we all used to sit around a table the shape of Africa, 875 00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:54,408 And I was elected one of the party. 876 00:54:54,608 --> 00:54:55,726 He was just cool. 877 00:54:55,926 --> 00:54:56,845 He was real cool. 878 00:54:57,045 --> 00:54:58,780 Ginger's a cool white boy. 879 00:54:58,980 --> 00:55:00,798 Meanwhile, no one in Europe knew 880 00:55:00,998 --> 00:55:02,817 What the fuck was going on there. 881 00:55:03,017 --> 00:55:03,818 Nobody what? 882 00:55:04,018 --> 00:55:05,219 Nobody in Europe, 883 00:55:05,419 --> 00:55:07,822 All the people you had left behind, you know? 884 00:55:08,022 --> 00:55:10,424 What people I'd left behind? 885 00:55:11,625 --> 00:55:13,828 I think he just goes. 886 00:55:14,028 --> 00:55:15,496 That's a great thing in music. 887 00:55:15,696 --> 00:55:18,199 You don't want to be thinking too much when you're playing. 888 00:55:18,399 --> 00:55:21,135 He who hesitates is lost. 889 00:55:21,335 --> 00:55:22,837 Just go. 890 00:55:23,037 --> 00:55:25,840 He really desperately wanted a boy. 891 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,343 And when he got a boy, he was awful to him. 892 00:55:29,543 --> 00:55:32,013 He said some nasty things to my mom. 893 00:55:33,047 --> 00:55:36,484 Like, "I wish I had black kids," or something. 894 00:55:36,684 --> 00:55:38,586 Were you guys still in contact with him? 895 00:55:38,786 --> 00:55:39,520 Yeah, yeah. 896 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:40,789 He would just call you? 897 00:55:40,989 --> 00:55:44,658 Yeah. Like, "Hello. I'm in prison." 898 00:55:44,858 --> 00:55:45,860 "Fine." 899 00:55:46,060 --> 00:55:49,130 I was approached by Range Rover. 900 00:55:49,330 --> 00:55:55,136 Would I join them in a three-car team for this Show 1000 rally? 901 00:55:55,336 --> 00:55:57,872 Anyway, I arrived at the checkpoint 902 00:55:58,072 --> 00:56:00,408 And did 180 and came in backwards. 903 00:56:00,608 --> 00:56:03,327 And I heard this voice say, "Bloody hell! 904 00:56:03,527 --> 00:56:06,247 The way you drive, you should play polo." 905 00:56:06,447 --> 00:56:08,165 And I shouted out of the window, 906 00:56:08,365 --> 00:56:10,325 "You've got to be bloody kidding." 907 00:56:10,525 --> 00:56:12,486 He said, "Okay, Baker. Come with me." 908 00:56:12,686 --> 00:56:13,822 So off we go. 909 00:56:14,022 --> 00:56:15,723 And where do we go? 910 00:56:15,923 --> 00:56:17,425 Lagos Polo Club. 911 00:56:17,625 --> 00:56:22,030 And I've already downed about eight or nine Bacardi and Cokes, 912 00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:24,899 And Colin comes up to me and says, "Right, Baker." 913 00:56:25,099 --> 00:56:26,801 It's time you got on a horse." 914 00:56:27,001 --> 00:56:30,038 And Colin gets out a whip and goes whack! 915 00:56:30,238 --> 00:56:34,708 Boom! It's off like fucking 900 miles an hour. 916 00:56:34,908 --> 00:56:36,110 Absolutely full gallop. 917 00:56:36,310 --> 00:56:39,080 My sunglasses were around one side of my face, 918 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,683 And my beard's around the other, but I was still on the horse. 919 00:56:42,883 --> 00:56:45,586 And I said, "Where's the fucking brakes, Colin?" 920 00:56:47,488 --> 00:56:50,391 So I'd found an old pair of boots 921 00:56:50,591 --> 00:56:55,596 And an old polo stick and a hat, and I became a poloist. 922 00:56:58,799 --> 00:56:59,968 The class of Nigerians 923 00:57:00,168 --> 00:57:03,804 That would have belonged to the Lagos Polo Club 924 00:57:04,004 --> 00:57:05,373 Were very elite people, 925 00:57:05,573 --> 00:57:08,109 People that Fela would dismiss as having a so-called 926 00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:09,477 "Colonial mentality." 927 00:57:09,677 --> 00:57:11,212 Those were definitely the people 928 00:57:11,412 --> 00:57:14,848 That Fela was singing against in the 1970s. 929 00:57:15,048 --> 00:57:15,917 But it was later in the '70s 930 00:57:16,117 --> 00:57:17,618 When Fela really got more radicalized 931 00:57:17,818 --> 00:57:20,354 And began to live the life of a musical dissident. 932 00:57:20,554 --> 00:57:22,790 All this nonsense hanging around here. 933 00:57:22,990 --> 00:57:23,958 They sit there in cars, man! 934 00:57:24,158 --> 00:57:27,979 Fela took on the government, the army. 935 00:57:28,179 --> 00:57:32,108 He was determined to become president. 936 00:57:32,308 --> 00:57:35,774 All the government top guys played polo, 937 00:57:35,974 --> 00:57:39,440 So they were always at the Lagos Polo Club. 938 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,409 So I was playing polo there 939 00:57:41,609 --> 00:57:45,646 And hanging out with, as it were, Fela's enemies. 940 00:57:45,846 --> 00:57:49,117 And a lot of the people on Fela's committee 941 00:57:49,317 --> 00:57:56,157 Didn't like that and soured Fela's mind against me. 942 00:57:56,357 --> 00:57:58,559 I was pretty upset at the time. 943 00:57:58,759 --> 00:57:59,727 About what? 944 00:57:59,927 --> 00:58:06,334 Well, that Fela wouldn't play with me, with his band. 945 00:58:06,534 --> 00:58:09,270 On Friday, February 18, 1977, 946 00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:12,073 A thousand-odd soldiers surround Calakuta, 947 00:58:12,273 --> 00:58:13,524 Machine guns at the ready. 948 00:58:13,724 --> 00:58:14,775 They plunder the house. 949 00:58:14,975 --> 00:58:17,945 Their clubs spare neither pregnant women nor children. 950 00:58:18,145 --> 00:58:20,014 Fela himself is seriously beaten. 951 00:58:20,214 --> 00:58:23,017 Fela and his tribe find themselves in prison. 952 00:58:23,217 --> 00:58:25,153 It was starting to go wrong, yeah. 953 00:58:25,353 --> 00:58:28,022 But, I mean, I left Nigeria 954 00:58:28,222 --> 00:58:30,674 Because I lost my studio, really. 955 00:58:30,874 --> 00:58:33,318 It took us three years to build it. 956 00:58:33,518 --> 00:58:35,963 It's been open just over two years now. 957 00:58:36,163 --> 00:58:37,565 It's coming along great. 958 00:58:45,873 --> 00:58:48,242 Presumably, there must be a lot of music there. 959 00:58:48,442 --> 00:58:50,178 Yeah. We kept pretty busy. 960 00:58:50,378 --> 00:58:52,513 We were working all the time, yeah. 961 00:58:52,713 --> 00:58:56,683 I think as a businessperson, he's a walking disaster area. 962 00:58:56,883 --> 00:59:00,854 Ginger's out there, discovering a whole new world of sound... 963 00:59:01,054 --> 00:59:02,456 Literally a whole new world of sound... 964 00:59:02,656 --> 00:59:07,328 And recording it in good faith, not even blind faith. 965 00:59:07,528 --> 00:59:08,897 Along comes a gangster record company 966 00:59:09,097 --> 00:59:11,031 And says, "We can take advantage of that." 967 00:59:11,231 --> 00:59:13,083 And Ginger was just taken for a ride. 968 00:59:13,283 --> 00:59:15,136 He said, "You can't build a studio here. 969 00:59:15,336 --> 00:59:16,804 This is our territory." 970 00:59:17,004 --> 00:59:20,408 They banned all the artists they had under contract 971 00:59:20,608 --> 00:59:23,327 From using my studio. 972 00:59:23,527 --> 00:59:26,247 I told him to fuck off. 973 00:59:30,017 --> 00:59:31,219 So shortly after that, 974 00:59:31,419 --> 00:59:34,355 Three armed soldiers entered the studio. 975 00:59:34,555 --> 00:59:37,325 So I just leapt out of the room, over the balcony, 976 00:59:37,525 --> 00:59:43,631 Got in the Range Rover, and went straight towards the road. 977 00:59:44,998 --> 00:59:48,068 I could hear all these gunshots and ricochets going on 978 00:59:48,268 --> 00:59:50,704 Where the police are trying to shoot me. 979 00:59:50,904 --> 00:59:52,941 Why did Ginger leave? 980 00:59:53,141 --> 00:59:56,360 I just know things were not going right. 981 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,780 But when he left, Fela and him lost contact. 982 01:00:36,684 --> 01:00:40,087 You had been off the scene in Africa for so many years. 983 01:00:40,287 --> 01:00:43,691 You must have missed being a rock star to a certain extent. 984 01:00:43,891 --> 01:00:45,626 No, I didn't. 985 01:00:46,627 --> 01:00:51,432 I came back to England to play with the Gurvitz brothers, 986 01:00:51,632 --> 01:00:53,634 For which I got some money. 987 01:00:53,834 --> 01:00:59,006 I'd just lost a fortune, so it was a matter of doing some work. 988 01:00:59,740 --> 01:01:02,526 That was really all he could get, wasn't it? 989 01:01:02,726 --> 01:01:05,513 At that time, nobody wanted to work with him. 990 01:01:06,947 --> 01:01:08,899 * Now is the time * 991 01:01:09,099 --> 01:01:11,393 * Get it all together * 992 01:01:11,593 --> 01:01:13,887 Shut up, you bloody fool! 993 01:01:14,087 --> 01:01:14,955 * Now is the time * 994 01:01:15,155 --> 01:01:17,791 - Hey! - * Put yourself together * 995 01:01:17,991 --> 01:01:23,497 Yeah, I grew up in the downward spiral of his life, 996 01:01:23,697 --> 01:01:25,666 Everything collapsing and falling apart. 997 01:01:25,866 --> 01:01:30,438 The mistake I made was letting polo take over 998 01:01:30,638 --> 01:01:32,606 From thinking about work. 999 01:01:32,806 --> 01:01:36,410 The tax people saw this film the BBC did 1000 01:01:36,610 --> 01:01:40,614 Of these horses arriving and gave the impression 1001 01:01:40,814 --> 01:01:42,683 That I'd got a hell of a lot of money. 1002 01:01:42,883 --> 01:01:46,887 Only this week, 30 polo ponies arrived from Argentina. 1003 01:01:47,087 --> 01:01:51,091 This air shipment guarantees Ginger Baker's commitment 1004 01:01:51,291 --> 01:01:54,828 To a sport that stands for everything he isn't. 1005 01:01:55,028 --> 01:01:57,465 I went absolutely broke. 1006 01:01:57,665 --> 01:02:02,503 It was a very bad time altogether. 1007 01:02:02,703 --> 01:02:08,075 He left my mom for my first boyfriend's sister. 1008 01:02:08,576 --> 01:02:12,880 That was his second wife, was my first boyfriend's sister. 1009 01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,299 There's a good idea! 1010 01:02:15,499 --> 01:02:17,718 She was 18, you know? 1011 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,356 Well, maybe 17. I don't know. 1012 01:02:22,556 --> 01:02:25,192 She was still going to school. 1013 01:02:25,926 --> 01:02:29,463 She was a very naughty-type girl, yeah. 1014 01:02:31,299 --> 01:02:34,252 Very sexy-type girl. 1015 01:02:34,452 --> 01:02:37,405 * Powder blues * 1016 01:02:41,975 --> 01:02:45,378 The tax people go, "You owe us, you know, £150,000." 1017 01:02:45,578 --> 01:02:48,982 And it's like, you know, he doesn't have £150,000, 1018 01:02:49,182 --> 01:02:50,518 So they took the house. 1019 01:02:50,718 --> 01:02:52,586 We'd lived in that house all our lives. 1020 01:02:52,786 --> 01:02:53,954 And then one day you come home 1021 01:02:54,154 --> 01:02:55,723 And there's a whole load of police 1022 01:02:55,923 --> 01:02:57,024 And a whole load of bailiffs, 1023 01:02:57,224 --> 01:02:59,393 And they just won't let you back into your house. 1024 01:02:59,593 --> 01:03:01,762 And they just take everything that you've ever owned. 1025 01:03:01,962 --> 01:03:03,431 I just, you know, took my drums 1026 01:03:03,631 --> 01:03:06,634 And went and lived on the streets, lived in squats. 1027 01:03:06,834 --> 01:03:08,902 You know, I used to tie my drums to my hands 1028 01:03:09,102 --> 01:03:12,072 When I went to sleep so that no one could take them. 1029 01:03:12,272 --> 01:03:14,858 You know, I don't think he should've had a family. 1030 01:03:15,058 --> 01:03:17,836 I think he would have been way better off in his life 1031 01:03:18,036 --> 01:03:20,814 If he'd never had kids and just, you know, did his thing. 1032 01:03:22,182 --> 01:03:25,753 He would have left a lot less of a mess behind. 1033 01:03:27,020 --> 01:03:30,424 Most of the time Ginger was with Baker Gurvitz Army, 1034 01:03:30,624 --> 01:03:32,793 He wasn't really on the hard stuff. 1035 01:03:32,993 --> 01:03:33,661 Oh, yeah. 1036 01:03:33,861 --> 01:03:37,447 I'm a lot, you know... better in myself. 1037 01:03:37,647 --> 01:03:41,234 Fit and well, if you like, you know? 1038 01:03:41,434 --> 01:03:42,670 The hard stuff came back 1039 01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:45,673 In the recording of "Hearts on Fire." 1040 01:03:54,281 --> 01:03:59,052 It was sort of like a pretty disastrous period, 1041 01:03:59,252 --> 01:04:01,389 So I got back into using. 1042 01:04:01,589 --> 01:04:03,157 And that's when you sort of realize 1043 01:04:03,357 --> 01:04:08,295 Your idols have feet of clay, the slight inkling coming in 1044 01:04:08,495 --> 01:04:10,764 That this person isn't in control. 1045 01:04:10,964 --> 01:04:14,301 The cameraman's in control. 1046 01:04:14,501 --> 01:04:16,236 Hello. 1047 01:04:16,436 --> 01:04:17,971 Um... 1048 01:04:18,171 --> 01:04:20,073 What were you saying? 1049 01:04:43,731 --> 01:04:46,166 Jeff, get us a glass of wine, will you? 1050 01:04:48,502 --> 01:04:51,171 Fucking hell, man. I tried hard. 1051 01:04:52,940 --> 01:04:57,077 I'd decided, "I'd better get away from anybody I know" 1052 01:04:57,277 --> 01:04:59,747 If I'm ever going to get straight." 1053 01:04:59,947 --> 01:05:02,750 So I decided to go to Italy. 1054 01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:05,553 I went to Italy with Sarah, 1055 01:05:05,753 --> 01:05:09,490 Living on this place right on top of a fucking mountain, 1056 01:05:09,690 --> 01:05:12,626 And I've never lived in England since. 1057 01:05:12,826 --> 01:05:14,262 I didn't know anybody. 1058 01:05:14,462 --> 01:05:17,181 I didn't even speak Italian. 1059 01:05:17,381 --> 01:05:20,100 And the house was falling down. 1060 01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:22,936 I met him in '86, 1061 01:05:23,136 --> 01:05:27,140 And I was asked to find him by a singer called Johnny Rotten, 1062 01:05:27,340 --> 01:05:28,709 Who was in The Sex Pistols. 1063 01:05:28,909 --> 01:05:33,313 He was living in a pretty obscure situation, 1064 01:05:33,513 --> 01:05:34,782 Rough situation. 1065 01:05:34,982 --> 01:05:38,686 And in the house, which was completely in kind of shambles, 1066 01:05:38,886 --> 01:05:42,590 I think there was two horses and seven dogs, no electricity, 1067 01:05:42,790 --> 01:05:44,592 And a room that overlooked the mountain 1068 01:05:44,792 --> 01:05:46,394 With a drum kit in it... Only a drum kit. 1069 01:05:46,594 --> 01:05:50,030 But when he played in that room and it echoed over the hills, 1070 01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:53,534 You could hear people like five miles away, screaming, 1071 01:05:53,734 --> 01:05:55,102 "Ginger! 'Wheels of fire'!" 1072 01:05:55,302 --> 01:05:59,272 Sarah obviously married him because she wanted a rock star. 1073 01:05:59,472 --> 01:06:00,508 Hey, you know? 1074 01:06:00,708 --> 01:06:03,010 And he took her to this little bum-fuck town, 1075 01:06:03,210 --> 01:06:05,479 And she was like, "Well, what the hell?" you know? 1076 01:06:05,679 --> 01:06:06,814 "Where's all the rock-star shit?" 1077 01:06:07,014 --> 01:06:09,350 And when I went out there with some young people, 1078 01:06:09,550 --> 01:06:11,919 She went off with one of them, and that was the end of that. 1079 01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:13,287 And he was absolutely devastated, 1080 01:06:13,487 --> 01:06:17,224 Because he couldn't handle his own medicine, unfortunately. 1081 01:06:18,959 --> 01:06:21,395 Was he heartbroken? Oh, yeah. 1082 01:06:21,595 --> 01:06:23,930 Yeah. She fucked him good, yeah. 1083 01:06:24,130 --> 01:06:26,266 I was completely fucking destroyed. 1084 01:06:26,466 --> 01:06:31,071 I was on my own with all my dogs and a couple of horses. 1085 01:06:34,374 --> 01:06:37,511 I mean, it was terrible. 1086 01:06:37,711 --> 01:06:40,147 I went out there to get drum lessons and stuff. 1087 01:06:40,347 --> 01:06:41,315 He had no money, 1088 01:06:41,515 --> 01:06:44,384 So he couldn't get me a plane ticket back to England. 1089 01:06:44,584 --> 01:06:45,786 So we had to do this gig. 1090 01:06:45,986 --> 01:06:48,689 So I got really, really sick, right, the day of the gig. 1091 01:06:48,889 --> 01:06:50,991 I was sitting on a chair, and I was throwing up, 1092 01:06:51,191 --> 01:06:52,859 And I was just, like, a really bad way. 1093 01:06:53,059 --> 01:06:55,228 I was like, "I don't know if I can play." 1094 01:06:55,428 --> 01:06:57,598 So, you know, he chops out a line of cocaine. 1095 01:06:57,798 --> 01:06:58,666 "Take this." 1096 01:06:58,866 --> 01:07:00,801 I'd never done cocaine before, you know? 1097 01:07:01,001 --> 01:07:02,870 Like, "I'm 15 years old," you know? 1098 01:07:03,070 --> 01:07:05,305 So I ended up taking this line of cocaine. 1099 01:07:05,505 --> 01:07:06,674 Played the gig fine. 1100 01:07:06,874 --> 01:07:10,360 Somehow, it just, like, you know, makes you feel good. 1101 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,047 So then he put me on a coach back to England, you know, 1102 01:07:14,247 --> 01:07:15,548 And he took the rest of the money 1103 01:07:15,748 --> 01:07:17,300 And wouldn't get me a plane ticket. 1104 01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:19,052 And we made good money at that gig. 1105 01:07:30,898 --> 01:07:36,169 I started getting these letters from some guy in L.A. 1106 01:07:36,369 --> 01:07:37,605 He kept saying, "Oh, man", 1107 01:07:37,805 --> 01:07:40,974 You've got a fantastic career in films." 1108 01:07:43,276 --> 01:07:45,713 So I went to California. 1109 01:07:52,786 --> 01:07:56,389 "The Nasty Boys" was the most extraordinary, 1110 01:07:56,589 --> 01:07:59,359 Stupid thing I've ever seen. 1111 01:08:01,528 --> 01:08:02,696 "Aah!" 1112 01:08:02,896 --> 01:08:05,533 Hollywood. Bah. 1113 01:08:05,733 --> 01:08:07,718 That was the end of it for me. 1114 01:08:07,918 --> 01:08:10,395 I mean, it was just so stupid. 1115 01:08:10,595 --> 01:08:12,618 Last one on is a rotten egg. 1116 01:08:12,818 --> 01:08:14,642 I hadn't seen him for years. 1117 01:08:14,842 --> 01:08:17,244 When I arrived in L.A., I didn't recognize him, 1118 01:08:17,444 --> 01:08:19,129 'Cause he looked like an old man. 1119 01:08:19,329 --> 01:08:20,814 And I thought, "Where's my dad?" 1120 01:08:21,014 --> 01:08:24,685 He actually put an ad on Music Connection magazine 1121 01:08:24,885 --> 01:08:25,953 Looking for a job. 1122 01:08:26,153 --> 01:08:27,521 "Famous drummer from the '60s," 1123 01:08:27,721 --> 01:08:29,640 You know, "Ginger Baker from Cream, 1124 01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,759 Looking for a band to play with." 1125 01:08:33,426 --> 01:08:35,295 Are you ready to go? 1126 01:08:35,495 --> 01:08:39,399 Okay. So this is a drum kit, and I'm Ginger Baker. 1127 01:08:39,599 --> 01:08:42,252 You hold the drumstick thusly, 1128 01:08:42,452 --> 01:08:44,905 And you play the stick like that. 1129 01:08:45,105 --> 01:08:47,841 The 1960s were heady times for Ginger Baker. 1130 01:08:48,041 --> 01:08:48,976 He was a drummer 1131 01:08:49,176 --> 01:08:51,144 For some of rock music's most influential groups. 1132 01:08:51,344 --> 01:08:52,813 We visited Baker at the ranch he rents 1133 01:08:53,013 --> 01:08:55,916 In the California desert as he tries to come back. 1134 01:08:56,116 --> 01:08:58,786 Tell me about your relationship these days with Eric Clapton. 1135 01:08:58,986 --> 01:09:00,087 Do you still speak? 1136 01:09:00,287 --> 01:09:04,091 I don't have a lot in common with Eric nowadays. 1137 01:09:05,926 --> 01:09:08,862 He's sort of... 1138 01:09:09,997 --> 01:09:11,799 Changed considerably. 1139 01:09:11,999 --> 01:09:13,601 Ginger, the way he is 1140 01:09:13,801 --> 01:09:16,169 And the way, you know, his self-medication 1141 01:09:16,369 --> 01:09:19,006 And all of the kind of things that go on in his life, 1142 01:09:19,206 --> 01:09:23,043 I would find quite hard to be around for any length of time. 1143 01:09:23,243 --> 01:09:25,695 It was quite threatening, you know, to me 1144 01:09:25,895 --> 01:09:28,306 And I suppose what I would call my sobriety. 1145 01:09:28,506 --> 01:09:30,918 But I've always got time for him, you know, 1146 01:09:31,118 --> 01:09:32,520 And I know he knows that. 1147 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,089 There was nothing starlike about him when I first met him. 1148 01:09:36,289 --> 01:09:38,025 He was pretty much penniless when we met 1149 01:09:38,225 --> 01:09:42,429 And had spent everything to get his horses over to America. 1150 01:09:42,629 --> 01:09:43,564 I was pretty happy. 1151 01:09:43,764 --> 01:09:45,532 I was gonna be going into a master's program 1152 01:09:45,732 --> 01:09:46,934 And following medicine. 1153 01:09:47,134 --> 01:09:49,136 There was a lot of great stuff ahead of me. 1154 01:09:49,336 --> 01:09:52,305 And then I got a little derailed. 1155 01:09:52,505 --> 01:09:54,007 Was Karen a good person? 1156 01:09:56,977 --> 01:09:59,847 I don't want to discuss Karen. 1157 01:10:00,047 --> 01:10:03,717 He is somebody who needs to be cared for, 1158 01:10:03,917 --> 01:10:06,286 And maybe that's what was so attractive to me. 1159 01:10:06,486 --> 01:10:07,921 It was like, "I can help this person." 1160 01:10:08,121 --> 01:10:10,423 He was somebody really interesting to spend time with. 1161 01:10:10,623 --> 01:10:12,192 He started playing the drums, and actually, 1162 01:10:12,392 --> 01:10:15,929 That was the first time I really understood the drums. 1163 01:10:22,202 --> 01:10:24,171 Nobody wanted to play with him. 1164 01:10:24,371 --> 01:10:25,272 And this is L.A. 1165 01:10:25,472 --> 01:10:28,742 I mean, there should have been gigs everywhere for him. 1166 01:10:28,942 --> 01:10:32,212 People were just like, "Mm. No. It's too much trouble." 1167 01:10:34,147 --> 01:10:37,617 And then finally, he did join The Masters of Reality. 1168 01:10:37,817 --> 01:10:40,704 * John Brown, bring him down * 1169 01:10:40,904 --> 01:10:43,791 * Pull his body to the ground * 1170 01:10:48,261 --> 01:10:51,364 It was really quite an enjoyable thing, 1171 01:10:51,564 --> 01:10:53,400 That Masters of Reality. 1172 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,537 They were trying to say it was heavy metal, which it wasn't. 1173 01:10:57,737 --> 01:11:02,442 It was music you couldn't put in a box, Jay. 1174 01:11:06,847 --> 01:11:09,149 "Sunrise on the Sufferbus." 1175 01:11:09,349 --> 01:11:11,868 Musician magazine simply calls "Sufferbus" 1176 01:11:12,068 --> 01:11:14,696 "The best rock album of the young decade." 1177 01:11:14,896 --> 01:11:17,524 When we were on tour with Alice In Chains, 1178 01:11:17,724 --> 01:11:18,792 I think it was a mismatch. 1179 01:11:18,992 --> 01:11:21,111 Most of the crowd to begin with 1180 01:11:21,311 --> 01:11:23,230 Didn't know who Ginger Baker was. 1181 01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:26,633 Kids in the front row with Megadeth T-shirts on 1182 01:11:26,833 --> 01:11:28,968 Throwing stuff at Ginger. 1183 01:11:29,168 --> 01:11:31,104 How much can a man take? 1184 01:11:31,304 --> 01:11:33,406 He was having to start all over again, 1185 01:11:33,606 --> 01:11:34,642 Just like a new musician. 1186 01:11:34,842 --> 01:11:37,744 And they were treating him like, "You know, you should be happy. 1187 01:11:37,944 --> 01:11:38,912 "We got you a tour bus. 1188 01:11:39,112 --> 01:11:40,513 A lot of musicians don't have tour buses." 1189 01:11:40,713 --> 01:11:44,717 And he's like, "I did this, you know, 30 years ago." 1190 01:11:44,917 --> 01:11:45,886 I don't want to do this again." 1191 01:11:46,086 --> 01:11:49,222 Do you think Nirvana is the new Cream? 1192 01:11:50,323 --> 01:11:54,427 He had gotten a taste of American music business, 1193 01:11:54,627 --> 01:11:58,031 Class of '93, and he spit it out. 1194 01:11:58,231 --> 01:12:00,834 And I don't fucking blame him one bit. 1195 01:12:01,034 --> 01:12:03,871 I didn't like L.A. at all. 1196 01:12:04,071 --> 01:12:06,806 He wasn't getting along with the whole polo community 1197 01:12:07,006 --> 01:12:08,175 In California at that time, 1198 01:12:08,375 --> 01:12:11,644 So he was just ready to move on and start all over again. 1199 01:12:14,181 --> 01:12:16,299 When he left to come out here to Colorado, 1200 01:12:16,499 --> 01:12:18,418 Nobody wanted to play with him anymore. 1201 01:12:18,618 --> 01:12:21,922 So we started a polo club called Mile High Polo. 1202 01:12:22,122 --> 01:12:23,323 And that worked out beautifully, 1203 01:12:23,523 --> 01:12:25,825 Because he didn't have to go and play with other people. 1204 01:12:26,025 --> 01:12:27,127 They had to come play with him. 1205 01:12:27,327 --> 01:12:28,845 Here comes Ginger Baker. 1206 01:12:29,045 --> 01:12:30,363 Not only can he play drums, 1207 01:12:30,563 --> 01:12:32,465 But he can hit that ball down the field. 1208 01:12:32,665 --> 01:12:35,402 People would come out, bring their kids, bring their dogs. 1209 01:12:35,602 --> 01:12:37,738 We'd have polo and then jazz in the park. 1210 01:12:37,938 --> 01:12:41,774 He would get off the horse, come over in his polo uniform, 1211 01:12:41,974 --> 01:12:43,076 And sit down at the drums. 1212 01:12:43,276 --> 01:12:45,512 And then we'd just go into something from there. 1213 01:12:45,712 --> 01:12:47,797 So it was a pretty wild experience to see. 1214 01:12:47,997 --> 01:12:50,083 And you could feel the passion of both things. 1215 01:12:56,990 --> 01:13:03,096 DJQ20... It was probably the best band I had. 1216 01:13:03,296 --> 01:13:10,170 It was great playing jazz, again... the music I came from. 1217 01:13:13,606 --> 01:13:15,976 Kofi was living with us at the time, 1218 01:13:16,176 --> 01:13:19,512 And we used to do a lot of drum things together. 1219 01:13:26,386 --> 01:13:28,088 He's got a prodigious technique. 1220 01:13:28,288 --> 01:13:30,723 He's got the most amazing technique. 1221 01:13:30,923 --> 01:13:32,459 He's a hell of a sweet kid. 1222 01:13:32,659 --> 01:13:35,595 It was the closest I ever got to my dad. 1223 01:13:35,795 --> 01:13:37,564 It was great fun. 1224 01:13:38,465 --> 01:13:40,900 And I actually got to play with my dad, 1225 01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:43,336 And there was some form of bond going on. 1226 01:13:43,536 --> 01:13:46,039 I mean, I wish I could have done that my whole life. 1227 01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:48,008 It would've been great. 1228 01:14:04,958 --> 01:14:08,028 He comes out of jazz, plays rock, plays world music. 1229 01:14:08,228 --> 01:14:11,298 I just thought, "We should get some music together" 1230 01:14:11,498 --> 01:14:13,300 "That shows him as this major cat, 1231 01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:16,436 "Not, you know, a lesser light than Max Roach, 1232 01:14:16,636 --> 01:14:18,171 But his own personal music." 1233 01:14:18,371 --> 01:14:22,675 Ron so inspired Ginger, Ginger began to practice. 1234 01:14:22,875 --> 01:14:24,311 He began to rehearse. 1235 01:14:24,511 --> 01:14:26,313 Then, finally, they came to New York 1236 01:14:26,513 --> 01:14:28,015 And played a gig at the Iridium 1237 01:14:28,215 --> 01:14:31,418 And just blew the doors off the place. 1238 01:14:31,618 --> 01:14:33,720 It went down like a fucking bomb. 1239 01:14:41,661 --> 01:14:45,298 At the Iridium in New York, Max Roach came to the gig. 1240 01:14:45,498 --> 01:14:48,218 The first record he ever bought was Max Roach. 1241 01:14:48,418 --> 01:14:51,138 I did one of the best solos I've ever done 1242 01:14:51,338 --> 01:14:53,273 When Max was there. 1243 01:15:06,819 --> 01:15:09,156 I could see Ginger's face on the break. 1244 01:15:09,356 --> 01:15:10,457 Max hugged him. 1245 01:15:10,657 --> 01:15:13,560 It was like Max was saying, "Yeah. You're in here. 1246 01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:14,627 You're one of us." 1247 01:15:14,827 --> 01:15:18,298 He just had tears coming down his face, 1248 01:15:18,498 --> 01:15:21,751 Because he had achieved the pinnacle of jazz 1249 01:15:21,951 --> 01:15:25,013 For an improvising musician and a drummer. 1250 01:15:25,213 --> 01:15:28,075 He has a working band that can go toe-to-toe 1251 01:15:28,275 --> 01:15:31,678 With any band in New York, let alone planet Earth. 1252 01:15:31,878 --> 01:15:34,797 And he had not only been accepted, 1253 01:15:34,997 --> 01:15:37,917 But accepted as a peer and an equal. 1254 01:15:38,117 --> 01:15:40,487 The actual words Max said were, 1255 01:15:40,687 --> 01:15:44,657 "Jesus, Ginger plays like a nigger." 1256 01:15:46,193 --> 01:15:50,463 That, coming from someone like Max Roach, 1257 01:15:50,663 --> 01:15:54,934 Was an enormous compliment, you know? 1258 01:15:55,835 --> 01:15:59,906 Four drummers in my life that were absolute heroes. 1259 01:16:00,106 --> 01:16:02,175 Phil Seamen was the first one, 1260 01:16:02,375 --> 01:16:06,946 Max Roach, Art Blakey, and Elvin Jones. 1261 01:16:07,146 --> 01:16:10,717 All four of them became friends... 1262 01:16:10,917 --> 01:16:12,769 I mean friends. 1263 01:16:12,969 --> 01:16:14,621 Dear friends. 1264 01:16:14,821 --> 01:16:19,159 And that to me is worth... 1265 01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:22,562 More to me than anything in the world. 1266 01:16:44,517 --> 01:16:48,087 Anywhere Ginger goes, it's just a matter of time 1267 01:16:48,287 --> 01:16:51,858 Before there's gonna be controversy going on. 1268 01:16:52,825 --> 01:16:55,462 Somebody did a very nasty 1269 01:16:55,662 --> 01:17:00,032 And resulted in Liz getting arrested yesterday 1270 01:17:00,232 --> 01:17:02,535 By the immigration people. 1271 01:17:02,735 --> 01:17:04,972 He had an English groom that was living with us. 1272 01:17:05,172 --> 01:17:08,441 But because her immigration papers hadn't come through yet, 1273 01:17:08,641 --> 01:17:11,077 She was illegal, and so they took her away. 1274 01:17:11,277 --> 01:17:13,680 And I started going crazy. 1275 01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,617 And there was these two guys, Louis & Floorwax, 1276 01:17:17,817 --> 01:17:20,286 Who had a radio show that I was on. 1277 01:17:20,486 --> 01:17:22,955 He came on the radio show one morning 1278 01:17:23,155 --> 01:17:24,291 And started talking about it. 1279 01:17:24,491 --> 01:17:27,160 And he literally told everybody to fuck off. 1280 01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,396 I mean, this is a foul deed. 1281 01:17:29,596 --> 01:17:32,248 He said something about the United States of America 1282 01:17:32,448 --> 01:17:34,876 Can kiss my ass or blow me or something like that. 1283 01:17:35,076 --> 01:17:37,504 I think that's the last thing he said on our show. 1284 01:17:37,704 --> 01:17:39,406 I believe that was the final sentence. 1285 01:17:39,606 --> 01:17:41,008 So we ended the interview, 1286 01:17:41,208 --> 01:17:43,476 And next thing we heard, he was deported. 1287 01:17:43,676 --> 01:17:46,479 He thought he was seeing the writing on the wall. 1288 01:17:46,679 --> 01:17:48,181 I'm the next target now. 1289 01:17:48,381 --> 01:17:50,417 So he decided to grab his toys and leave 1290 01:17:50,617 --> 01:17:52,485 Before they could kick him out. 1291 01:17:52,685 --> 01:17:55,722 People are saying it's one of the best records he's ever done, 1292 01:17:55,922 --> 01:17:56,756 And then he left. 1293 01:17:56,956 --> 01:18:00,193 We just put this record out, and he just split. 1294 01:18:00,393 --> 01:18:02,128 Kofi would come over every single day 1295 01:18:02,328 --> 01:18:03,230 And play with his dad. 1296 01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:05,132 And then a couple days before he left, 1297 01:18:05,332 --> 01:18:07,467 Kind of like you with the cane to your face, 1298 01:18:07,667 --> 01:18:09,569 Ginger gave a verbal cane to Kofi's face 1299 01:18:09,769 --> 01:18:11,671 And just basically I think told him, 1300 01:18:11,871 --> 01:18:13,340 "You're a piece-of-shit drummer, 1301 01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:15,842 And you'll never be what I am, and you just can't get it." 1302 01:18:16,042 --> 01:18:21,080 And that was it... His way of saying goodbye. 1303 01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:22,549 Well, I asked him. 1304 01:18:22,749 --> 01:18:25,685 I said, "Do you even care about anything I do or anything?" 1305 01:18:25,885 --> 01:18:27,620 He said, "No." So I said, "Fine." 1306 01:18:27,820 --> 01:18:28,621 So I got in my car and left. 1307 01:18:28,821 --> 01:18:30,823 That was the last time I saw him. 1308 01:18:39,466 --> 01:18:42,369 I don't know if it's his ability to move on 1309 01:18:42,569 --> 01:18:44,504 Or his inability to stay. 1310 01:18:44,704 --> 01:18:49,709 I think he has trouble staying, and so moving on is his option. 1311 01:18:49,909 --> 01:18:51,544 I went with him on several of those moves, 1312 01:18:51,744 --> 01:18:53,380 And then the last one, I decided, "No." 1313 01:18:53,580 --> 01:18:56,249 I'm not up for one more of these." 1314 01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,907 Maybe it goes back to when his dad died. 1315 01:19:04,107 --> 01:19:06,834 He was just kind of taken away abruptly, 1316 01:19:07,034 --> 01:19:09,762 And there was nothing he could do about it. 1317 01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:15,868 The only time I remember my dad clearly is on the train, 1318 01:19:16,068 --> 01:19:19,406 When he went off after his last leave. 1319 01:19:21,541 --> 01:19:25,412 And as the train pulled off, I broke away from my mom 1320 01:19:25,612 --> 01:19:27,414 And went running down the platform 1321 01:19:27,614 --> 01:19:30,417 After the train, crying. 1322 01:19:32,084 --> 01:19:37,023 It was like I knew he wasn't coming back. 1323 01:19:39,626 --> 01:19:44,564 * Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh * 1324 01:19:44,764 --> 01:19:50,437 * But I can't find my way home * 1325 01:19:50,637 --> 01:19:54,140 * Can't, ooh, ooh, ooh * 1326 01:19:54,340 --> 01:19:55,242 * Ooh, ooh, ooh * 1327 01:19:55,442 --> 01:20:00,630 * But I can't find my way home * 1328 01:20:00,830 --> 01:20:06,127 * Still I can't find my way home * 1329 01:20:06,327 --> 01:20:10,060 * And I ain't done nothing wrong * 1330 01:20:10,260 --> 01:20:13,793 * But I can't find my way home * 1331 01:20:13,993 --> 01:20:17,296 20 years ago, South Africa was the last place 1332 01:20:17,496 --> 01:20:19,415 I would ever have dreamt of going, 1333 01:20:19,615 --> 01:20:21,534 Because I was so, you know, appalled 1334 01:20:21,734 --> 01:20:24,036 At the apartheid regime. 1335 01:20:24,236 --> 01:20:26,339 Well, now it's broken up. 1336 01:20:26,539 --> 01:20:28,575 South Africa has joined the rest of the world. 1337 01:20:28,775 --> 01:20:31,478 What are you gonna do musically when you get there? 1338 01:20:31,678 --> 01:20:32,812 Do you have plans? 1339 01:20:33,012 --> 01:20:36,916 I have more plans than you can dream of. 1340 01:20:37,116 --> 01:20:41,020 I mean, South Africa is very rich musically. 1341 01:20:41,220 --> 01:20:43,038 Sweethearts have done it all. 1342 01:20:43,238 --> 01:20:44,857 Fast broads, pretty, ambitious, 1343 01:20:45,057 --> 01:20:47,327 And after all the money they can get out of a guy. 1344 01:20:47,527 --> 01:20:51,631 Those deadly dames leave behind a trail of dead husbands. 1345 01:20:51,831 --> 01:20:53,766 If she has to kill somebody, she's going to. 1346 01:20:53,966 --> 01:20:56,236 Real-life femme fatales. 1347 01:20:56,436 --> 01:21:01,607 I've got some really cool music in my head. 1348 01:21:01,807 --> 01:21:06,979 I tried to do the polo and jazz thing here. 1349 01:21:07,747 --> 01:21:12,785 But there's not that many musicians over here. 1350 01:21:12,985 --> 01:21:14,854 But how much of it is about you playing 1351 01:21:15,054 --> 01:21:17,390 Because it's what you love doing? 1352 01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:18,725 Well, it depends. 1353 01:21:18,925 --> 01:21:23,563 To have a good time, it depends who you're playing with. 1354 01:21:24,664 --> 01:21:26,433 I mean, five years ago, 1355 01:21:26,633 --> 01:21:30,570 The Royal Albert Hall gigs were just fantastic. 1356 01:21:47,787 --> 01:21:50,657 They were just great. 1357 01:21:50,857 --> 01:21:53,293 It was great to play with Eric, 1358 01:21:53,493 --> 01:21:55,929 And it was great to play with Jack. 1359 01:21:56,129 --> 01:21:58,565 He did the reunion in 2005 with Cream, 1360 01:21:58,765 --> 01:21:59,732 Got a whole bunch of money, 1361 01:21:59,932 --> 01:22:05,404 And he got 24 horses he imported from the U.K. 1362 01:22:05,604 --> 01:22:08,641 Yeah. They cost him a fortune. 1363 01:22:08,841 --> 01:22:11,143 I've got 38 horses. 1364 01:22:12,044 --> 01:22:17,650 Horses don't let you down, nor do dogs. 1365 01:22:17,850 --> 01:22:20,653 They all know who I am. 1366 01:22:20,853 --> 01:22:23,456 He got $5 million or so from that reunion. 1367 01:22:23,656 --> 01:22:24,891 Now he's broke as shit. 1368 01:22:25,091 --> 01:22:27,827 He's blown all the money, and he's got nothing to show for it. 1369 01:22:30,463 --> 01:22:34,784 He will go out of his way, effortwise and timewise 1370 01:22:34,984 --> 01:22:39,105 And moneywise to do everything for his animals. 1371 01:22:39,305 --> 01:22:42,609 Sometimes I get the idea that the animals come first 1372 01:22:42,809 --> 01:22:46,145 And then the people. 1373 01:22:46,345 --> 01:22:47,414 * I * 1374 01:22:47,614 --> 01:22:53,052 * Found out today * 1375 01:22:53,486 --> 01:22:57,524 * We're going wrong * 1376 01:23:20,046 --> 01:23:22,749 Do you think that you might have to go back 1377 01:23:22,949 --> 01:23:24,851 To playing the drums again? 1378 01:23:25,051 --> 01:23:25,985 Why? 1379 01:23:26,185 --> 01:23:28,588 Because the bank might foreclose on your property. 1380 01:23:28,788 --> 01:23:30,089 And besides, it's who you are. 1381 01:23:30,289 --> 01:23:35,494 Oh, for fuck's sake, why are we talking this shit?! 1382 01:23:36,062 --> 01:23:40,867 I think he's realizing that his time really has come 1383 01:23:41,067 --> 01:23:43,670 To finish playing the drums. 1384 01:23:46,338 --> 01:23:49,809 Dogs in general... Maybe horses as well, 1385 01:23:50,009 --> 01:23:55,414 But dogs specifically know when it's the end of the path. 1386 01:23:55,614 --> 01:23:56,683 They just give up. 1387 01:23:56,883 --> 01:23:59,986 You know, they know that this is the end of the road. 1388 01:24:00,186 --> 01:24:02,354 Obviously some of them have got fight in them. 1389 01:24:02,554 --> 01:24:03,490 Some doesn't. 1390 01:24:03,690 --> 01:24:08,494 But they realize that they've had their life. 1391 01:24:08,694 --> 01:24:10,363 They won't die here in front of you. 1392 01:24:10,563 --> 01:24:16,435 They will go underneath a bed, where it's private, quiet. 1393 01:24:16,635 --> 01:24:22,108 * We're going wrong * 1394 01:24:22,308 --> 01:24:23,876 * Yeah! * 1395 01:24:26,646 --> 01:24:28,881 Thank you. 1396 01:24:35,521 --> 01:24:39,191 You think you can take your glasses off for me, Ginger? 1397 01:24:40,059 --> 01:24:41,193 Why? 1398 01:24:41,393 --> 01:24:43,730 I'd like to see your eyes. 1399 01:25:06,953 --> 01:25:11,758 I have terrible skepticism about musicians that die young 1400 01:25:11,958 --> 01:25:14,661 And create legends which are kind of mythical. 1401 01:25:14,861 --> 01:25:16,596 There's no myth about Ginger. 1402 01:25:16,796 --> 01:25:19,815 You know, he is exactly what he is. 1403 01:25:20,015 --> 01:25:23,035 And that's the thing that we value. 1404 01:25:26,839 --> 01:25:28,608 I don't know what he is. 1405 01:25:28,808 --> 01:25:31,343 He's his own person, and he's great. 1406 01:25:31,543 --> 01:25:34,881 He's definitely the best Ginger Baker in the world, 1407 01:25:35,081 --> 01:25:37,850 And I love him. 1408 01:25:45,692 --> 01:25:50,897 It was our last day of filming, and here I am, saying goodbye. 1409 01:25:51,097 --> 01:25:53,132 He said, "Where are you going now?" 1410 01:25:53,332 --> 01:25:56,803 And I said, "I'm gonna go talk to these people" 1411 01:25:57,003 --> 01:25:59,271 Who are a part of your life." 1412 01:25:59,471 --> 01:26:01,674 And he was like, "Nah." 1413 01:26:01,874 --> 01:26:02,875 No, you're not." 1414 01:26:03,075 --> 01:26:08,180 And I don't want any of them on my film! 1415 01:26:09,916 --> 01:26:11,751 Are you really gonna hit me with the... 1416 01:26:11,951 --> 01:26:13,486 I fucking well am! 1417 01:26:13,686 --> 01:26:16,889 I'm gonna fucking put you in hospital! 1418 01:26:17,089 --> 01:26:18,490 Why? Oh, my God! 1419 01:26:18,690 --> 01:26:20,359 Yes! 1420 01:26:21,794 --> 01:26:25,898 Ginger Baker just hit me in the fucking nose. 1421 01:26:27,934 --> 01:26:29,769 At first I was really pissed. 1422 01:26:29,969 --> 01:26:32,839 Say you're sorry! No! 1423 01:26:33,472 --> 01:26:38,861 But then I realized the madman is alive and well, 1424 01:26:39,061 --> 01:26:44,450 With a precise message to all those who dare enter... 1425 01:26:44,650 --> 01:26:47,854 Beware of Mr. Baker. 1426 01:26:50,957 --> 01:26:53,726 Ginger Baker! Ginger Baker! 1427 01:26:53,926 --> 01:26:56,695 Ginger Baker! Ginger Baker! 1428 01:26:56,829 --> 01:26:59,899 Ginger Baker! Ginger Baker! 1429 01:27:00,032 --> 01:27:01,233 Ginger Baker! 1430 01:27:01,433 --> 01:27:03,435 He seems to go through wars and bombs 1431 01:27:03,635 --> 01:27:07,139 And comes out the other end unscathed, amazingly. 1432 01:27:07,339 --> 01:27:08,774 And you've got to admire that. 1433 01:27:08,974 --> 01:27:10,209 You've got to admire that, 1434 01:27:10,409 --> 01:27:13,712 That he doesn't ever kind of give in and go, "Okay." 1435 01:27:15,381 --> 01:27:20,970 The indomitable Ginger Baker always gets up off the canvas. 1436 01:27:21,170 --> 01:27:26,759 After selling his horses, his farm, and his Range Rover, 1437 01:27:26,959 --> 01:27:28,160 He goes back on the road 1438 01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,764 And to being the one thing that he's always been. 1439 01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,215 Do what you like. 1440 01:27:49,415 --> 01:27:53,152 If you enjoy doing something and you do it very well, 1441 01:27:53,352 --> 01:27:56,388 You can be successful and enjoy life. 1442 01:27:56,588 --> 01:27:58,524 I like playing the drums. 1443 01:28:00,927 --> 01:28:04,430 I know what my life's experiences are, 1444 01:28:04,630 --> 01:28:08,134 And I like to exemplify them in music. 1445 01:28:08,334 --> 01:28:10,837 Mr. Baker does the same. 1446 01:28:11,037 --> 01:28:13,873 If that makes him an unpleasant person socially, 1447 01:28:14,073 --> 01:28:17,543 Well, that's exactly what is required 1448 01:28:17,743 --> 01:28:21,213 For the music from him to be so superb. 1449 01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:29,155 And I cannot question anyone with end results that perfect. 1450 01:29:06,525 --> 01:29:11,730 * Don't take the wrong direction * 1451 01:29:11,930 --> 01:29:14,533 * Passing through * 1452 01:29:16,235 --> 01:29:19,271 This is a Hollywood movie here, so... 1453 01:29:19,471 --> 01:29:20,072 Oh... 1454 01:29:20,272 --> 01:29:22,274 It's got to be really dramatic, 1455 01:29:22,474 --> 01:29:25,211 And I need to get you to cry at a certain point. 1456 01:29:25,411 --> 01:29:26,879 So if you could just cry right now... 1457 01:29:27,079 --> 01:29:28,514 Oh, yeah. 1458 01:29:28,714 --> 01:29:30,582 You're dumb. You know that? 1459 01:29:30,782 --> 01:29:31,851 You really are dumb. 1460 01:29:32,051 --> 01:29:36,355 Good God, I'm talking to a fucking block of moronic wood. 1461 01:29:36,555 --> 01:29:39,791 Just a single tear, like really slow-motion, 1462 01:29:39,991 --> 01:29:41,193 Down the side of your face. 1463 01:29:41,393 --> 01:29:44,897 If we could just get that shot, it would be great. 1464 01:29:48,267 --> 01:29:52,204 Trying to explain to a dumb American is very difficult. 1465 01:29:52,404 --> 01:29:56,142 If a stick had five right ends and one wrong end, 1466 01:29:56,342 --> 01:29:59,345 You'd get the wrong end every time. 1467 01:30:01,247 --> 01:30:03,983 I'm crying for you. 1468 01:30:07,719 --> 01:30:09,321 Hello? 1469 01:30:09,521 --> 01:30:12,358 Spring will be a little late this year. 1470 01:30:12,558 --> 01:30:14,877 Talk about three short blanks. 1471 01:30:15,077 --> 01:30:17,396 You take the biscuit, boy. 1472 01:30:18,797 --> 01:30:21,600 You drive me fucking crazy. 1473 01:30:23,669 --> 01:30:28,607 * For you will hear no laughter * 1474 01:30:28,807 --> 01:30:31,443 * Nor see the sun * 1475 01:30:32,945 --> 01:30:37,749 * Life will be one disaster * 1476 01:30:37,949 --> 01:30:40,486 * All the way through * 1477 01:30:43,822 --> 01:30:47,593 * No relaxation * 1478 01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:52,231 * No conversation * 1479 01:30:52,864 --> 01:30:55,835 * No variation * 1480 01:30:56,035 --> 01:31:00,039 * In a very dark blue * 1481 01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:05,244 * Blue condition * 1482 01:31:05,444 --> 01:31:10,116 * Don't take the wrong direction * 1483 01:31:10,316 --> 01:31:13,385 * Passing through * 1484 01:31:14,586 --> 01:31:19,625 * Instead of deep reflection * 1485 01:31:19,825 --> 01:31:22,261 * Of what's true * 1486 01:31:23,795 --> 01:31:27,466 * For it's a combination * 1487 01:31:27,666 --> 01:31:31,337 * Of judgments made by you * 1488 01:31:32,338 --> 01:31:37,009 * That cause a deep dejection * 1489 01:31:37,209 --> 01:31:39,611 * All the way through * 1490 01:31:43,215 --> 01:31:47,186 * No relaxation * 1491 01:31:47,753 --> 01:31:51,623 * No conversation * 1492 01:31:52,258 --> 01:31:55,227 * No variation * 1493 01:31:55,427 --> 01:31:59,431 * In a very dark blue * 1494 01:31:59,631 --> 01:32:05,370 * Blue condition * 1495 01:32:05,570 --> 01:32:10,675 * No relaxation * 1496 01:32:10,875 --> 01:32:14,896 * No conversation * 1497 01:32:15,096 --> 01:32:18,918 * No variation * 1498 01:32:19,118 --> 01:32:25,257 * In a very dark blue * 1499 01:32:25,457 --> 01:32:29,261 * Condition *115317

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