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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:43,878 --> 00:00:45,208 - this is not fun and games. 2 00:00:45,212 --> 00:00:47,312 - a corrupt system. - this is life and death. 3 00:00:47,314 --> 00:00:50,324 - A billion people dying from smoking related diseases. 4 00:00:50,317 --> 00:00:52,577 - 70% of current smokers want to quit. 5 00:00:52,586 --> 00:00:54,416 - I smoked for 40 years. 6 00:00:54,422 --> 00:00:55,692 - 50 years. 7 00:00:55,689 --> 00:00:56,659 - using the patch. 8 00:00:56,657 --> 00:00:58,187 - Nicotine patches or chews. 9 00:00:58,192 --> 00:00:59,532 - proven smokeless cessation method. 10 00:00:59,527 --> 00:01:00,327 - Should be promoted. 11 00:01:00,327 --> 00:01:01,627 - This hasn't helped. 12 00:01:01,629 --> 00:01:02,589 - majority of them failed. 13 00:01:02,596 --> 00:01:04,496 - That makes no sense. 14 00:01:04,498 --> 00:01:05,528 - E-cigarette. 15 00:01:07,935 --> 00:01:09,495 ...E-cigarettes. 16 00:01:09,503 --> 00:01:10,443 - E-cigarettes. 17 00:01:10,438 --> 00:01:12,438 - Alternative to lighting up. - Stopped. 18 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,370 - We don't know if that's true, or not. 19 00:01:14,375 --> 00:01:15,505 - They've been making headlines. 20 00:01:15,509 --> 00:01:17,109 - don't look for an endorsement from the-- 21 00:01:17,111 --> 00:01:18,441 - lung association, heart association. 22 00:01:18,446 --> 00:01:19,946 - world health organization. 23 00:01:22,817 --> 00:01:24,477 - is raising the red flag on. 24 00:01:24,485 --> 00:01:25,615 - dangers involved. 25 00:01:25,619 --> 00:01:26,489 - We need to be careful. 26 00:01:26,487 --> 00:01:27,617 - Quit or die. 27 00:01:30,791 --> 00:01:34,291 - The potential harm is likely to be very, very small. 28 00:01:34,295 --> 00:01:35,655 - Usage has tripled. 29 00:01:35,663 --> 00:01:36,833 - Vapes are everywhere. 30 00:01:36,831 --> 00:01:38,331 - causing blindness. 31 00:01:38,332 --> 00:01:39,232 - Promotes smoking. 32 00:01:39,233 --> 00:01:40,303 - Nicotine is in here. 33 00:01:40,301 --> 00:01:43,301 - Ignorance is a real problem. 34 00:01:43,304 --> 00:01:44,244 - Other than heroin. 35 00:01:44,238 --> 00:01:45,468 - gateway to cocaine. 36 00:01:45,473 --> 00:01:46,473 - It's the most addictive drug there is. 37 00:01:46,474 --> 00:01:48,044 - But are they really that awesome? 38 00:01:48,042 --> 00:01:49,542 - Every study has to be questioned. 39 00:01:49,876 --> 00:01:51,036 - Cherry picking studies. 40 00:01:51,045 --> 00:01:52,375 - taxing them. - Regulated. 41 00:01:52,379 --> 00:01:53,979 - Puffer control. - Same as cigarettes. 42 00:01:53,981 --> 00:01:56,151 - Stupid fools. - Easy to buy a cigarette. 43 00:01:56,150 --> 00:01:57,480 - They're considered cigarettes. 44 00:01:57,485 --> 00:01:58,645 - Than to buy an e-cigarette. 45 00:01:58,652 --> 00:02:01,322 - You cave in. - Gone. 46 00:02:31,184 --> 00:02:34,754 - my whole life I've been told that smoking is bad. 47 00:02:34,755 --> 00:02:36,755 Smoking will kill you. 48 00:02:36,757 --> 00:02:40,327 Smokers are stupid. 49 00:02:40,327 --> 00:02:43,597 I pretty much thought that smoking was a thing of the past. 50 00:02:43,597 --> 00:02:45,757 Part of history. 51 00:02:45,766 --> 00:02:48,466 I was wrong. 52 00:02:48,469 --> 00:02:51,439 I was shocked that I found out that a billion people 53 00:02:51,438 --> 00:02:54,508 Are projected to die early from smoking this century. 54 00:02:54,508 --> 00:02:57,138 I was even more surprised when I found out 55 00:02:57,144 --> 00:03:00,114 That many people were using new ways to quit. 56 00:03:00,114 --> 00:03:01,814 But that those ways were being banned 57 00:03:01,815 --> 00:03:06,545 In more and more countries. 58 00:03:06,554 --> 00:03:08,694 On our journey to find the truth 59 00:03:08,689 --> 00:03:10,789 We traveled around the world. 60 00:03:10,791 --> 00:03:13,031 We discovered a common mentality. 61 00:03:13,027 --> 00:03:18,057 People that choose to smoke, deserve to die. 62 00:03:18,065 --> 00:03:20,795 Despite research showing modern cigarettes to be deadly 63 00:03:20,801 --> 00:03:24,471 The number of smokers around the world continues to rise. 64 00:03:24,471 --> 00:03:26,541 Millions are dying early. 65 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:30,910 Casualties of a war they don't understand. 66 00:03:30,911 --> 00:03:31,811 Shoddy studies, 67 00:03:32,278 --> 00:03:34,078 Fear of the unknown, 68 00:03:34,081 --> 00:03:38,981 And passionate enthusiasm are the weapons of choice. 69 00:03:38,986 --> 00:03:41,146 Battle lines were drawn. 70 00:03:41,155 --> 00:03:43,085 A culture war began. 71 00:03:43,090 --> 00:03:47,060 We discovered a widespread corruption. 72 00:03:47,061 --> 00:03:49,831 To separate the truth from the lies, 73 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:51,860 The emotion from the facts, 74 00:03:51,865 --> 00:03:55,495 We went to the leading doctors and scientists. 75 00:03:59,006 --> 00:04:01,366 In the end, our journey became about more 76 00:04:01,375 --> 00:04:04,605 Than just smoking, or vaping. 77 00:04:04,612 --> 00:04:06,552 It's about freedom, 78 00:04:06,547 --> 00:04:09,917 Corruption, and the fate of future generations. 79 00:04:14,188 --> 00:04:17,188 This is the battle for a billion lives. 80 00:04:26,065 --> 00:04:28,295 Each year the tobacco industry produces over 81 00:04:28,302 --> 00:04:30,442 Six trillion cigarettes. 82 00:04:30,437 --> 00:04:33,067 That's enough to create a chain from earth to mars, 83 00:04:33,073 --> 00:04:36,283 And back, every single year. 84 00:04:36,277 --> 00:04:38,977 It is estimated that over 1.6 billion smokers 85 00:04:38,979 --> 00:04:42,649 Will be on the planet in the next 20 years. 86 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:45,280 That's more than the entire population of the earth 87 00:04:45,286 --> 00:04:48,616 Only about 100 years ago. 88 00:04:48,622 --> 00:04:50,122 To understand how we got to this point we went 89 00:04:50,124 --> 00:04:52,624 To the andes mountains, where it all began. 90 00:04:52,626 --> 00:04:55,326 It's hard to believe that something so massive 91 00:04:55,329 --> 00:04:58,759 Could begin as something so small. 92 00:04:58,766 --> 00:05:00,566 Historians tell us that ancient incan priests 93 00:05:00,567 --> 00:05:02,797 Were the only ones in the village who smoked tobacco. 94 00:05:02,803 --> 00:05:05,743 That they used it as a ceremonial cleanser. 95 00:05:05,739 --> 00:05:07,909 To understand where we are with this debate about 96 00:05:07,908 --> 00:05:11,938 Vapor technology, we need to look at how we got here. 97 00:05:11,945 --> 00:05:17,815 And how a billion people, now find themselves trapped. 98 00:05:17,818 --> 00:05:20,918 During the industrial revolution tobacco use changed 99 00:05:20,921 --> 00:05:22,991 In a big way. 100 00:05:22,990 --> 00:05:25,520 Cigarettes made by massive tobacco companies 101 00:05:25,526 --> 00:05:29,256 Became more heavily processed, cheap, convenient, 102 00:05:29,263 --> 00:05:31,633 And a big part of pop culture. 103 00:05:31,632 --> 00:05:34,832 The rise of cigarettes had begun. 104 00:05:44,977 --> 00:05:48,807 l.S./m.F.T. L.S./m.F.T. 105 00:05:48,816 --> 00:05:51,816 Lucky strike means fine tobacco. 106 00:05:51,819 --> 00:05:54,989 Yes, in a cigarette it's the tobacco that counts. 107 00:05:54,988 --> 00:05:57,788 And lucky strike means fine tobacco. 108 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:02,660 - if we think of the last century 109 00:06:02,663 --> 00:06:04,803 The big breakthrough that really got us into 110 00:06:04,798 --> 00:06:06,468 The problem we were-- what we have was actually 111 00:06:06,467 --> 00:06:11,837 A technology innovation in terms of the cigarette machine. 112 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,069 That immediately allowed us to have millions 113 00:06:15,075 --> 00:06:17,635 And billions of cigarettes being produced. 114 00:06:17,644 --> 00:06:19,084 And sales took off. 115 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:22,579 At the time there was not much knowledge about the risk. 116 00:06:22,583 --> 00:06:25,223 There actually was already some hint of this 117 00:06:25,219 --> 00:06:28,519 By 1908, 1909, while it was taking off. 118 00:06:28,522 --> 00:06:31,092 Yale researchers were already starting to publish 119 00:06:31,091 --> 00:06:34,191 And advocate for people to not use tobacco 120 00:06:34,194 --> 00:06:37,264 Because of fitness concerns and lung effects. 121 00:06:37,264 --> 00:06:40,034 By the '30s the german's had started producing data. 122 00:06:40,033 --> 00:06:43,373 By the '50s the british had started producing data. 123 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:46,200 And then we all know finally that 1962 124 00:06:46,206 --> 00:06:48,536 The royal college of physicians report, 125 00:06:48,542 --> 00:06:51,912 Two years later, the surgeon general report came out 126 00:06:51,912 --> 00:06:54,782 And shock horror these products were not just sources 127 00:06:54,782 --> 00:06:57,022 Of pleasures, people thought they were 128 00:06:57,017 --> 00:07:00,847 They were actually causing harm and death. 129 00:07:00,854 --> 00:07:02,924 - in the history of the world, no non-essential 130 00:07:02,923 --> 00:07:05,723 Habit ever got so entranced so fast. 131 00:07:05,726 --> 00:07:07,556 Seventy million americans smoke. 132 00:07:07,561 --> 00:07:09,361 Today they got a message from the United States 133 00:07:09,363 --> 00:07:11,963 Surgeon general, who is at a blue ribbon committee 134 00:07:11,965 --> 00:07:14,195 Studying their habit for 14 months. 135 00:07:14,201 --> 00:07:16,771 - The committee has reached the overall judgment 136 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:20,310 Cigarette smoking is related to a higher death rates 137 00:07:20,307 --> 00:07:23,037 In a number of disease categories. 138 00:07:23,043 --> 00:07:25,143 - if we go back to understand 139 00:07:25,145 --> 00:07:27,105 When did we first have knowledge 140 00:07:27,114 --> 00:07:30,254 That it's tar that kills and nicotine that addicts? 141 00:07:30,250 --> 00:07:33,050 We now know that bat and randall williams 142 00:07:33,053 --> 00:07:36,593 Knew this from the early '60s. 143 00:07:36,590 --> 00:07:38,220 You can say this is a cynical thing, 144 00:07:38,225 --> 00:07:39,285 Why didn't they stop at that point? 145 00:07:39,293 --> 00:07:41,393 But they were a company with billions of dollars 146 00:07:41,395 --> 00:07:45,225 Investment and were not gonna stop. 147 00:07:45,232 --> 00:07:47,072 - I became the winston man 148 00:07:47,067 --> 00:07:48,127 In 1981. 149 00:07:48,135 --> 00:07:50,235 I was 32-years-old. 150 00:07:50,237 --> 00:07:51,997 And I got a call from an agent in new york 151 00:07:52,005 --> 00:07:53,335 And he wanted to know if I would be interested 152 00:07:53,340 --> 00:07:55,440 In coming up for an interview for an audition. 153 00:07:55,442 --> 00:07:57,282 They were doing a casting for winston. 154 00:07:57,277 --> 00:07:59,577 So I went in, I had an audition. 155 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:01,350 Two weeks later I get a call 156 00:08:01,348 --> 00:08:03,278 That they narrowed it down and they wanted to see me 157 00:08:03,283 --> 00:08:04,783 Again for a call back. 158 00:08:04,785 --> 00:08:06,615 So I had to go up the next day, unshaven, 159 00:08:06,620 --> 00:08:08,490 Because they wanted me to have that rugged look. 160 00:08:08,489 --> 00:08:10,459 'cause r.J. Reynolds was looking for a 161 00:08:10,457 --> 00:08:12,917 Rugged macho kind of a theme. 162 00:08:12,926 --> 00:08:15,256 They come out and say, "you, you, and you." 163 00:08:15,262 --> 00:08:19,632 Now these are your new winston men for 1981 and '82. 164 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:22,173 My jaw dropped, I was floored. 165 00:08:22,169 --> 00:08:23,339 I literally was floored. 166 00:08:23,337 --> 00:08:25,537 Never ever, ever, ever thinking about 167 00:08:25,539 --> 00:08:29,039 The outcome of what exactly I was doing 168 00:08:29,042 --> 00:08:31,142 And would have done over the next eight years. 169 00:08:31,144 --> 00:08:33,184 And that was being seven and a half years as 170 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:36,150 The winston man, in over 42 ads 171 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:40,119 Showing smoking to be, associated with healthy activity. 172 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,320 'cause that's all tobacco marketing is. 173 00:08:43,323 --> 00:08:46,493 ♪ yeah me and my winstons 174 00:08:46,493 --> 00:08:49,033 ♪ me and my winstons 175 00:08:49,029 --> 00:08:52,629 ♪ we got a real good thing 176 00:08:52,633 --> 00:08:56,133 - After practicing as a physician I then went into 177 00:08:56,136 --> 00:08:59,236 Organized medicine and hit it up the organization 178 00:08:59,239 --> 00:09:01,209 Which is like the mothership of doctors. 179 00:09:01,208 --> 00:09:02,808 The world medical association. 180 00:09:02,809 --> 00:09:06,179 And at that time we were very, very strongly 181 00:09:06,179 --> 00:09:07,479 Against tobacco. 182 00:09:07,481 --> 00:09:09,981 Strongly against tobacco industry, 183 00:09:09,983 --> 00:09:14,153 Who we knew had lied about the mortality/morbidity 184 00:09:14,154 --> 00:09:16,824 Linked to their product. 185 00:09:16,823 --> 00:09:19,423 And we knew that we were up against a huge 186 00:09:19,426 --> 00:09:21,186 Marketing machine. 187 00:09:21,194 --> 00:09:22,664 - the flinstones 188 00:09:22,663 --> 00:09:25,203 Has been brought to you by winston 189 00:09:25,198 --> 00:09:28,668 America's best selling best tasting filtered cigarette. 190 00:09:28,669 --> 00:09:34,239 ♪ winstons taste good like a cigarette should ♪ 191 00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:40,680 - did our first shoots up in mt. Evans, colorado. 192 00:09:40,681 --> 00:09:43,921 Which was pretty educational for me because 193 00:09:43,917 --> 00:09:45,517 You know what happens to a three pack a day smoker 194 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:48,089 At 12,000 feet on top of a mountain? 195 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:49,388 It ain't pretty. 196 00:09:49,389 --> 00:09:51,189 Especially when you're on oxygen. 197 00:09:51,191 --> 00:09:53,291 And you're not able to smoke 198 00:09:53,293 --> 00:09:56,393 When you're on oxygen, 'cause you'll blow up. 199 00:09:56,396 --> 00:09:59,256 And I was there for a good five, six days 200 00:09:59,266 --> 00:10:00,596 With the crew. 201 00:10:00,601 --> 00:10:03,101 They were trying to capture the story 202 00:10:03,103 --> 00:10:04,603 Of what our theme was. 203 00:10:04,605 --> 00:10:07,205 Which was search and rescue, storm searcher. 204 00:10:07,207 --> 00:10:09,907 We would fly in with a helicopter, okay. 205 00:10:09,910 --> 00:10:13,380 We'd be out looking for, whatever we're looking for. 206 00:10:13,380 --> 00:10:14,980 Repelling off the side of the mountain, which was 207 00:10:14,982 --> 00:10:16,582 What they paid me to do. 208 00:10:16,583 --> 00:10:19,453 And then, at the end of the day was light up time. 209 00:10:19,453 --> 00:10:21,493 Sitting on the top of the rock, lighting a cigarette 210 00:10:21,488 --> 00:10:23,788 With your buddy, passing the cigarette to your buddy. 211 00:10:23,790 --> 00:10:26,260 So the theme was, let's tell a story about how 212 00:10:26,259 --> 00:10:29,259 Macho these guys are, how they're saving lives, 213 00:10:29,262 --> 00:10:31,402 Search and rescue, and then at the end of the day 214 00:10:31,398 --> 00:10:33,898 The camaraderie is so special that they have to have 215 00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:36,570 A cigarette together to celebrate their successes 216 00:10:36,570 --> 00:10:39,540 That was the most machismo that they could come up with 217 00:10:39,539 --> 00:10:42,809 Which was now going to compete with the number one brand 218 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:44,979 Of selling cigarettes, which was marlboro, at the time. 219 00:10:44,978 --> 00:10:47,678 Winston, at that time, was only number four. 220 00:10:47,681 --> 00:10:50,351 - 50 head of cattle headin' for home. 221 00:10:51,852 --> 00:10:54,092 Come to where the flavor is. 222 00:10:54,087 --> 00:10:56,517 Come to marlboro country. 223 00:10:59,826 --> 00:11:02,086 - Within two years winston became the number two 224 00:11:02,095 --> 00:11:04,295 Selling brand, right behind marlboro. 225 00:11:04,297 --> 00:11:05,497 How did that happen? 226 00:11:05,499 --> 00:11:06,159 Marketing. 227 00:11:06,365 --> 00:11:07,095 Marketing. 228 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,470 Marketing. 229 00:11:08,468 --> 00:11:09,828 Spend more money, spend more money. 230 00:11:09,836 --> 00:11:11,436 Let's keep associating this deadly product 231 00:11:11,438 --> 00:11:13,168 With something that kids want. 232 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:14,943 - Gee, we ought to do somethin' fred. 233 00:11:14,941 --> 00:11:15,841 - Okay. 234 00:11:15,842 --> 00:11:17,442 How's about taking a nap? 235 00:11:17,444 --> 00:11:19,184 - I, I got a better idea. 236 00:11:19,179 --> 00:11:20,549 Let's take a winston break. 237 00:11:20,547 --> 00:11:21,977 - that's it! 238 00:11:21,982 --> 00:11:24,552 - My job was to deliberately to seek out 239 00:11:24,551 --> 00:11:28,791 The vulnerable 13, 14, 15, 16, or 17 240 00:11:28,789 --> 00:11:30,789 Year old and entice them into thinking 241 00:11:30,791 --> 00:11:32,621 That this is what they too could be like. 242 00:11:32,626 --> 00:11:34,286 That's all I did. 243 00:11:34,294 --> 00:11:37,404 26 days a year I had to work for r.J. Reynolds. 244 00:11:37,397 --> 00:11:40,067 They paid me over $100,000 a year. 245 00:11:40,067 --> 00:11:42,367 Not to mention being on billboards, magazines, 246 00:11:42,369 --> 00:11:44,469 Penthouse, playboy, popular mechanics, 247 00:11:44,471 --> 00:11:46,401 Anything that would be a male magazine considered, 248 00:11:46,406 --> 00:11:48,006 That's where my ads were. 249 00:11:48,008 --> 00:11:49,368 Because we weren't trying to entice the girls 250 00:11:49,376 --> 00:11:51,006 To smoke winston. 251 00:11:51,011 --> 00:11:52,541 Because they had their own, they had virginia slims, 252 00:11:52,546 --> 00:11:55,646 And eve, and satins, and capris. 253 00:11:55,649 --> 00:11:57,749 I was ballsy enough to ask a question 254 00:11:57,751 --> 00:11:59,881 Of the r.J. Reynolds tobacco executive, 255 00:11:59,886 --> 00:12:02,586 "how come you guys from r.J. Reynolds don't smoke?" 256 00:12:02,589 --> 00:12:04,689 They said, "we don't smoke the shit, we just sell it. 257 00:12:04,691 --> 00:12:07,061 "we reserve the right to smoke for the young, the poor, 258 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:09,890 "the black, and the stupid." 259 00:12:09,896 --> 00:12:12,356 And billions of dollars were there to fund it. 260 00:12:12,365 --> 00:12:15,765 They're spending more money marketing, okay, 261 00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:18,769 Than a lot of people were spending to prevent it. 262 00:12:23,476 --> 00:12:26,206 - the u.S. Was slowly starting to pick 263 00:12:26,213 --> 00:12:28,753 Its act up to introduce some taxes. 264 00:12:28,749 --> 00:12:31,679 It couldn't make progress on advertising bans 265 00:12:31,685 --> 00:12:33,515 Because first amendment protection. 266 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,890 The tobacco industry was then trying to provide 267 00:12:35,889 --> 00:12:39,519 Research grants to researchers to buy them off. 268 00:12:39,526 --> 00:12:41,556 Or to at least ensure that the direction of research 269 00:12:41,561 --> 00:12:43,391 Didn't go in more of a negative way. 270 00:12:43,396 --> 00:12:46,426 And that's when we had the era of the large tobacco 271 00:12:46,433 --> 00:12:49,773 Finance research groups around the world. 272 00:12:54,541 --> 00:12:55,741 - the tobacco institute. 273 00:12:55,742 --> 00:12:58,482 A trade association with a unique objective. 274 00:12:58,478 --> 00:13:00,708 To promote a free and informed discussion 275 00:13:00,714 --> 00:13:04,084 Of all issues involving america's oldest industry. 276 00:13:04,084 --> 00:13:05,824 - we had a study done by the warton applied 277 00:13:05,819 --> 00:13:08,449 Research center at the university of pennsylvania 278 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:10,045 In 1979. 279 00:13:10,056 --> 00:13:12,586 - We were involved in grants with the medical college 280 00:13:12,592 --> 00:13:15,562 Of virginia from 1930 to 1960. 281 00:13:15,562 --> 00:13:17,632 - Of course there is a never-ending concern about 282 00:13:17,631 --> 00:13:20,401 The alleged effects of smoking on the health of the smoker. 283 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,170 - The evidence is certainly inconclusive at this time. 284 00:13:24,171 --> 00:13:27,971 - There is no increase in lung cancer mortality rates. 285 00:13:27,974 --> 00:13:30,444 - An individual would have to sit in a crowded bar 286 00:13:30,443 --> 00:13:33,113 Or cocktail lounge for more than 100 287 00:13:33,113 --> 00:13:36,153 Consecutive hours to inhale the equivalent 288 00:13:36,149 --> 00:13:37,949 Of one filtered cigarette. 289 00:13:37,951 --> 00:13:40,921 - Well this study was performed by the american cancer 290 00:13:40,921 --> 00:13:42,751 Society. - That was proven 291 00:13:42,756 --> 00:13:45,816 With the study funded, in part, by the massachusetts 292 00:13:45,826 --> 00:13:47,486 Lung association. 293 00:13:47,494 --> 00:13:51,364 - Which confirms some of our own thinking on the subject. 294 00:13:51,364 --> 00:13:54,434 - I basically got into the anti-smoking movement 295 00:13:54,434 --> 00:13:57,474 Right after I graduated from-- got a masters degree 296 00:13:57,470 --> 00:13:58,770 In public health. 297 00:13:58,772 --> 00:14:01,212 Where I learned that cigarettes are causing more deaths 298 00:14:01,208 --> 00:14:02,508 Than everything else combined 299 00:14:02,509 --> 00:14:04,209 And nobody was doing anything about it 300 00:14:04,211 --> 00:14:06,481 And I got a job at the local county health department 301 00:14:06,479 --> 00:14:09,649 And I was told, "oh, you have tobacco because 302 00:14:09,649 --> 00:14:11,549 "nobody else wants the job." 303 00:14:11,551 --> 00:14:13,121 - back then, in the '80s 304 00:14:13,119 --> 00:14:15,689 There were 32 billion packs a year 305 00:14:15,689 --> 00:14:17,789 Sold of cigarettes in america. 306 00:14:17,791 --> 00:14:19,161 32 billion. 307 00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:21,059 - Nothing but the best for mr. Ricardo. 308 00:14:21,061 --> 00:14:22,661 - Winston filter brand. 309 00:14:22,662 --> 00:14:25,662 - Feel the wonderful smoothness deep down in your throat. 310 00:14:25,665 --> 00:14:27,295 ♪ here's to winston 311 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:29,370 ♪ me and my winstons 312 00:14:29,369 --> 00:14:30,669 ♪ turn to salem 313 00:14:30,670 --> 00:14:32,470 - Having done all these ads that I did 314 00:14:32,472 --> 00:14:36,142 And feeling pretty good about the money 315 00:14:36,142 --> 00:14:38,382 I wasn't listening to the public's opinion 316 00:14:38,378 --> 00:14:40,748 About tobacco because right about then is when 317 00:14:40,747 --> 00:14:43,007 You started getting all the negativity. 318 00:14:43,016 --> 00:14:45,516 Even though the surgeon general's had talked a bad-- 319 00:14:45,518 --> 00:14:47,688 Talked about secondary smoke 320 00:14:47,687 --> 00:14:50,487 And cancer being the number one cause of premature death and disease. 321 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:53,420 Now this is around 1987 now, '86, 322 00:14:53,426 --> 00:14:54,886 '87, '88. 323 00:14:54,895 --> 00:14:57,425 And I had been doing the ads for almost seven years. 324 00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:59,000 Now you're getting all the scuttlebutt. 325 00:14:58,999 --> 00:15:01,429 Now you're getting all the hate, you're starting 326 00:15:01,434 --> 00:15:02,704 To see anger. 327 00:15:02,702 --> 00:15:04,272 Smoking's killing people, we got proof now. 328 00:15:04,271 --> 00:15:06,341 - It's best if there is no smoking 329 00:15:06,339 --> 00:15:09,039 So I can stay well. 330 00:15:09,042 --> 00:15:12,682 Because it hurts people like me who have asthma 331 00:15:12,679 --> 00:15:16,079 And can cause lung cancer even in non-smokers. 332 00:15:16,082 --> 00:15:19,282 If I could, I would tell the president to make it the law 333 00:15:19,286 --> 00:15:22,916 That no one smoke in public places. 334 00:15:22,923 --> 00:15:27,293 - Things in life that he, he's gonna come in contact with 335 00:15:27,294 --> 00:15:28,564 In growing up 336 00:15:28,561 --> 00:15:30,761 That he doesn't have control over 337 00:15:30,764 --> 00:15:32,964 Because we live in a free society 338 00:15:32,966 --> 00:15:35,296 And we have choices to make. 339 00:15:35,302 --> 00:15:38,402 And smokers have choices, as well as non-smokers 340 00:15:38,405 --> 00:15:40,605 To be around people who smoke. 341 00:15:40,607 --> 00:15:44,577 - The tobacco industry, from the beginning, 342 00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:47,247 First tried to do what I guess any consumer good 343 00:15:47,247 --> 00:15:49,907 Company would do, deny the evidence. 344 00:15:49,916 --> 00:15:52,746 - If you had your preference 345 00:15:52,752 --> 00:15:56,792 Would you want your kids, or your grandkids to smoke? 346 00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:58,290 Or not smoke? 347 00:15:58,291 --> 00:16:00,221 - I have no preference. 348 00:16:00,226 --> 00:16:01,586 - We have no preference. 349 00:16:01,594 --> 00:16:03,734 - I don't believe that nicotine, or our products, 350 00:16:03,730 --> 00:16:04,660 Are addictive. 351 00:16:08,635 --> 00:16:11,465 - like father, like son. 352 00:16:13,406 --> 00:16:15,906 Think about it. 353 00:16:15,909 --> 00:16:19,979 For information on smoking and heart disease 354 00:16:19,980 --> 00:16:22,580 Ask your heart association. 355 00:16:22,582 --> 00:16:25,682 - there's now a movement with the national 356 00:16:25,685 --> 00:16:28,315 Cancer institute, cancer, lung, heart, 357 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:30,791 Not to mention the government and surgeon general, 358 00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:32,690 That says hey, smoking's killing people 359 00:16:32,692 --> 00:16:34,662 And we got proof now, now we got evidence 360 00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:37,031 We got tobacco files, we got people talking about it. 361 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:40,800 Now it's starting to get a little curious. 362 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,000 Because I'm getting the same thing from my kids. 363 00:16:43,003 --> 00:16:45,143 Daddy, quit smoking, my teacher says you're gonna croak. 364 00:16:45,138 --> 00:16:46,798 Daddy, quit smoking, you're gonna die. 365 00:16:46,806 --> 00:16:47,836 Dad, you're gonna-- 366 00:16:47,841 --> 00:16:48,641 What happens? 367 00:16:48,641 --> 00:16:50,511 My brother gets cancer. 368 00:16:52,846 --> 00:16:54,976 My brother, I was the youngest of three boys in my family 369 00:16:54,981 --> 00:16:57,121 And he was my older brother, he was only three and a half 370 00:16:57,117 --> 00:16:58,277 Years older. 371 00:16:58,284 --> 00:16:59,554 And he was diagnosed with cancer. 372 00:16:59,552 --> 00:17:00,952 And he was a smoker. 373 00:17:00,954 --> 00:17:04,394 And, for about five years I had to watch him deteriorate. 374 00:17:04,391 --> 00:17:07,291 And I'm doing the ads. 375 00:17:07,293 --> 00:17:10,733 When I did the ads, I was still 376 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:11,800 Worrying about my brother. 377 00:17:11,798 --> 00:17:13,798 And I had this horrible experience of driving 378 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,870 To boston, and he was in the dana farber cancer institute. 379 00:17:18,872 --> 00:17:20,542 And I walked through the doors. 380 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:23,840 Here we have oncologists, doctors, nurses 381 00:17:23,843 --> 00:17:26,013 People taking care of people who are dying, 382 00:17:26,012 --> 00:17:27,882 Literally dying, 383 00:17:27,881 --> 00:17:31,851 From what they chose to do at 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 384 00:17:31,851 --> 00:17:32,751 Et cetera. 385 00:17:32,752 --> 00:17:33,752 Now they have to pay the price. 386 00:17:33,753 --> 00:17:36,053 So now I'm starting to get a little 387 00:17:36,056 --> 00:17:36,846 Clued in here. 388 00:17:36,856 --> 00:17:38,186 Well, maybe this is bad. 389 00:17:38,191 --> 00:17:39,691 Maybe this garbage is killing people. 390 00:17:39,692 --> 00:17:41,332 My brother's dying from it. 391 00:17:41,327 --> 00:17:43,727 I'm certainly not feeling the way I did when I was 16 392 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:45,060 Smoking a pack a day. 393 00:17:45,065 --> 00:17:47,065 Now I can't get up and down stairs quite as much. 394 00:17:47,067 --> 00:17:50,167 So I'm starting to see the logic behind all the hate. 395 00:17:50,170 --> 00:17:52,370 I started seeing smokers being seen, not only as 396 00:17:52,372 --> 00:17:54,612 Cool, macho, tough, rugged, beautiful, sexy, glamorous, 397 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:56,567 Fun loving, free spirited, 398 00:17:56,576 --> 00:17:59,736 But smelly, stinky, yellow-toothed people. 399 00:17:59,746 --> 00:18:02,376 Now you're starting to see the segue from 400 00:18:02,382 --> 00:18:04,922 60% of the american people smoking 401 00:18:04,918 --> 00:18:06,718 Or chewing or dipping or spitting, 402 00:18:06,719 --> 00:18:08,419 And now you're starting to see the swing. 403 00:18:13,626 --> 00:18:15,856 I had to make a decision and there was a six hour 404 00:18:15,862 --> 00:18:17,062 Ride home. 405 00:18:17,063 --> 00:18:19,263 And I probably smoked two packs of cigarettes 406 00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:20,465 On that ride home. 407 00:18:20,467 --> 00:18:21,767 'cause now I'm stressed. 408 00:18:21,768 --> 00:18:24,268 Now I'm starting to feel pretty bad about this because 409 00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:26,400 Now I gotta go face my kid. 410 00:18:26,406 --> 00:18:28,106 And I talked to my son 411 00:18:28,108 --> 00:18:29,768 And I walked in the door 412 00:18:29,776 --> 00:18:31,206 And he talked to me. 413 00:18:31,211 --> 00:18:34,151 He said, "dad, you're gonna die like uncle bob, right?" 414 00:18:34,147 --> 00:18:35,107 Boom! 415 00:18:35,115 --> 00:18:35,905 Just like that. 416 00:18:35,915 --> 00:18:37,045 That's how it hit me. 417 00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:39,380 It was like a boom. 418 00:18:39,385 --> 00:18:40,585 You know 419 00:18:40,587 --> 00:18:44,317 There's a good chance that I will. 420 00:18:44,324 --> 00:18:47,934 That was my epiphany. 421 00:18:47,927 --> 00:18:50,757 So long ago 422 00:18:50,763 --> 00:18:52,803 That's how it hit me. 423 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:56,769 And, my passion for my kids, 424 00:18:56,769 --> 00:19:00,909 And my wife was so grand that I was gonna beat it. 425 00:19:00,907 --> 00:19:02,267 Okay, so I made a decision 426 00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:05,335 It was July 17th, when I told my son, 427 00:19:05,345 --> 00:19:07,775 "I'm gonna quit. 428 00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:09,950 "I promise, I'm gonna quit." 429 00:19:09,949 --> 00:19:11,849 And, right hand up to god, "I'm gonna quit, 430 00:19:11,851 --> 00:19:13,421 "I'm gonna quit." 431 00:19:13,419 --> 00:19:16,419 And he said, "okay dad, you promise, right?" 432 00:19:16,422 --> 00:19:18,522 Well what you don't tell a 10 or 11-year-old 433 00:19:18,525 --> 00:19:20,085 Is something then not do it. 434 00:19:20,093 --> 00:19:22,293 'cause they will hound you, and they will hound you, 435 00:19:22,295 --> 00:19:23,925 And they will hound you. 436 00:19:23,930 --> 00:19:26,930 Well he hounded me until the great american smokeout 437 00:19:26,933 --> 00:19:29,103 In November of 1988. 438 00:19:29,102 --> 00:19:30,842 - You see this fan? 439 00:19:30,837 --> 00:19:33,037 Well, I use it while I'm around cigarette smokers. 440 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:34,809 But I may get a chance to throw it away 441 00:19:34,807 --> 00:19:36,437 During the great american smokeout. 442 00:19:36,442 --> 00:19:39,182 The day the american cancer society asks every smoker 443 00:19:39,179 --> 00:19:41,009 In america to quit for 24 hours. 444 00:19:41,014 --> 00:19:41,954 - I picked that day. 445 00:19:41,948 --> 00:19:43,948 I told my son I was gonna quit. 446 00:19:43,950 --> 00:19:45,320 And, I did. 447 00:19:45,318 --> 00:19:47,548 I get a call from every philadelphia news station, 448 00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:48,994 Television station. 449 00:19:48,988 --> 00:19:51,218 I get a call from cbs this morning with harry smith. 450 00:19:51,224 --> 00:19:53,794 I get a call from abc, I get a call 451 00:19:53,793 --> 00:19:55,193 And they're picking me up by limo 452 00:19:55,195 --> 00:19:56,555 They're taking me to new york. 453 00:19:56,563 --> 00:19:58,903 No one had ever quit smoking publicly, 454 00:19:58,898 --> 00:20:00,898 Especially the winston man who's on every billboard, 455 00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:03,300 Every magazine, everywhere for eight years now, 456 00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:04,903 Going on eight years. 457 00:20:04,904 --> 00:20:07,844 And then he's biting the hand that feeds him. 458 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,810 My brother's dying of cancer. 459 00:20:09,809 --> 00:20:13,239 I promised my kids I wouldn't hurt myself like my brother. 460 00:20:13,246 --> 00:20:15,006 And I've seen so many people dying that I'm not 461 00:20:15,014 --> 00:20:16,384 Gonna do these ads anymore. 462 00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:17,722 I can't do it. 463 00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:21,747 I cannot physically, and morally, do it anymore. 464 00:20:21,754 --> 00:20:24,924 - Image has been a great concern for the tobacco industry. 465 00:20:24,924 --> 00:20:27,834 The person we choose this week was once 466 00:20:27,827 --> 00:20:30,997 One of the industries leading image maker. 467 00:20:30,997 --> 00:20:33,897 - The tobacco industry had really played out to the peak 468 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:36,170 Of what it was going to do trying to thwart policies 469 00:20:36,169 --> 00:20:41,039 - Our long and difficult four-year journey down tobacco road 470 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,940 Has come to a victorious end. 471 00:20:42,942 --> 00:20:45,042 - The largest financial recovery in the history 472 00:20:45,044 --> 00:20:46,344 Of the world. 473 00:20:46,346 --> 00:20:49,006 - We've arrived at our final destination, 474 00:20:49,015 --> 00:20:52,045 And that's the destination of tobacco justice. 475 00:20:52,051 --> 00:20:55,591 - Close to 33,000 lawsuits against big tobacco. 476 00:20:55,588 --> 00:20:57,258 The precedence were being set. 477 00:20:57,257 --> 00:21:00,757 So now if one person sues, and you got the same disease 478 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,030 Then so on, and so on, and so on, and so on. 479 00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:04,929 So they sat around, and said, "let's come up with a way." 480 00:21:04,931 --> 00:21:06,931 And they went to meetings, they went to private meetings 481 00:21:06,933 --> 00:21:10,273 According to the tobacco files that I've been privy to. 482 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:11,740 And they said, "we've got to come up with something 483 00:21:11,738 --> 00:21:13,638 "that's going to stop these lawsuits." 484 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:14,910 Well, here's what you're gonna have to do 485 00:21:14,907 --> 00:21:16,237 Big tobacco people. 486 00:21:16,242 --> 00:21:17,982 You're gonna have to give us some money back 487 00:21:17,977 --> 00:21:20,277 In order for us to convince our constituency 488 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,610 That that money, 'cause we're sick and tired 489 00:21:22,615 --> 00:21:24,875 Of paying for medicare, and medicaid 490 00:21:24,884 --> 00:21:27,154 Rehabilitation and prevention 491 00:21:27,153 --> 00:21:30,093 Because your product has cost us and our state. 492 00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:31,559 Michael moore did it, in mississippi. 493 00:21:31,557 --> 00:21:33,657 Michael moore took on big tobacco, said, 494 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:35,160 "I'm gonna sue your asses." 495 00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:36,461 He's the only one that did it. 496 00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:39,962 He sued, and won 12 billion dollars. 497 00:21:39,966 --> 00:21:41,496 So then it became even more important 498 00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:43,971 That they justify this money being spent. 499 00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:45,900 Even if it was for a year, or two. 500 00:21:45,905 --> 00:21:47,935 They've never said they were gonna use it forever 501 00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:49,970 In the 25 years that they're gonna get it. 502 00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:51,836 Florida said, oh my. 503 00:21:51,844 --> 00:21:52,944 I'd like some of that. 504 00:21:52,945 --> 00:21:54,305 We have the same problem. 505 00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:55,114 We're suing too. 506 00:21:55,114 --> 00:21:56,414 They've got 11 billion. 507 00:21:56,416 --> 00:21:57,946 Texas did it, they got 13 billion 508 00:21:57,950 --> 00:22:00,120 'cause it was all based on per capita 509 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,989 And pro-rated a number of citizens. 510 00:22:01,988 --> 00:22:03,018 Minnesota did it. 511 00:22:03,022 --> 00:22:06,662 Four states got 46 billion dollars 512 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:09,529 In a matter of a week. 513 00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:11,159 46 billion. 514 00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:14,304 Well, every other state wanted to touch-- a piece of that. 515 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:16,270 We want some of that. 516 00:22:16,269 --> 00:22:18,169 We, we're paying medicare too. 517 00:22:18,171 --> 00:22:20,101 So let's come up with a number that everybody can live with. 518 00:22:20,106 --> 00:22:23,266 They came up with 200 billion. 519 00:22:23,276 --> 00:22:27,136 Plus the 46 that went previously to those four states. 520 00:22:27,146 --> 00:22:31,346 And they gave attorney generals 72 hours 521 00:22:31,351 --> 00:22:32,851 To sign on. 522 00:22:32,852 --> 00:22:34,552 And the only way they would get any money 523 00:22:34,554 --> 00:22:37,524 If they signed on without even knowing what was going on. 524 00:22:37,523 --> 00:22:40,363 And you'll get your money over the next 25 years. 525 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:42,990 Every state did it, okay. 526 00:22:42,995 --> 00:22:45,855 But, in that decision in 72 hours they had to 527 00:22:45,865 --> 00:22:48,865 Sign off that they would not let anybody in their state 528 00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:50,838 Sue big tobacco. 529 00:22:50,837 --> 00:22:55,467 That was in 1999, and the msa became the first bailout. 530 00:22:55,475 --> 00:22:57,135 Yeah, we need it for the kids. 531 00:22:57,143 --> 00:22:58,013 We need it for the children. 532 00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:59,210 We need it for prevention. 533 00:22:59,212 --> 00:23:00,012 Education. 534 00:23:00,012 --> 00:23:01,082 Intervention. 535 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:01,850 Cessation. 536 00:23:01,848 --> 00:23:03,178 We need all the ta ta. 537 00:23:03,182 --> 00:23:04,982 - Like you, the nation's attorney's general have been 538 00:23:04,984 --> 00:23:07,154 Fighting to help reverse the staggering toll 539 00:23:07,153 --> 00:23:10,153 Tobacco takes on our society. 540 00:23:10,156 --> 00:23:14,186 And to protect our children from a lifetime of addiction. 541 00:23:14,193 --> 00:23:16,933 - This plan, in short, will get big tobacco 542 00:23:16,929 --> 00:23:19,199 Off the backs of our kids. 543 00:23:27,038 --> 00:23:28,538 - They got the money. 544 00:23:28,541 --> 00:23:30,111 They signed on. 545 00:23:30,109 --> 00:23:32,509 And then within two years that money's gone. 546 00:23:32,512 --> 00:23:34,482 They either put it in bonds, where they can't pay it back. 547 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,750 They used it for road repair, waterfront restoration. 548 00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:40,950 They used it for health department's new computers, 549 00:23:40,953 --> 00:23:43,823 The states are not using the money that they said 550 00:23:43,823 --> 00:23:45,063 They needed, and the tobacco companies are now 551 00:23:45,057 --> 00:23:47,117 Giving all this money to the states. 552 00:23:47,126 --> 00:23:50,256 And then nobody knew that within 48 hours after they 553 00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:52,233 Gave up 246 billion dollars 554 00:23:52,231 --> 00:23:54,101 They raised the price of cigarettes 48 cents 555 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:57,200 Across the board, to make up the 246. 556 00:23:57,203 --> 00:23:59,243 Nobody cares about it, nobody wants to talk about it 557 00:23:59,238 --> 00:24:01,038 Because it's not scandalous enough. 558 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,110 - The tobacco industry has conceded defeat. 559 00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:08,050 And we have a settlement of historic proportions. 560 00:24:19,324 --> 00:24:20,624 - What did new jersey do? 561 00:24:20,626 --> 00:24:22,786 They sold all their money in a bond. 562 00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:24,755 Now it's due to be paid back 563 00:24:24,764 --> 00:24:27,434 And new jersey doesn't have the money to pay it back. 564 00:24:27,433 --> 00:24:29,403 There's eight states that had done that. 565 00:24:29,402 --> 00:24:31,642 The other states wasted the money on everything 566 00:24:31,637 --> 00:24:34,437 But prevention, education, cessation. 567 00:24:46,351 --> 00:24:48,691 So there is more corruption, there's more government 568 00:24:48,688 --> 00:24:51,418 Intervention for keeping tobacco alive 569 00:24:51,424 --> 00:24:54,164 And keeping the big tobacco monopolies 570 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,090 Raising half a trillion dollars a year. 571 00:24:56,095 --> 00:24:58,255 Half a trillion, if not more. 572 00:24:58,264 --> 00:25:00,034 That's what they admit to. 573 00:25:10,142 --> 00:25:12,112 - by the time of the minnesota court case 574 00:25:12,111 --> 00:25:15,551 In 1998, the state of minnesota didn't only seek 575 00:25:15,548 --> 00:25:17,678 Redress in financial terms, 576 00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:20,123 But required that the tobacco industry 577 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,519 Place all of their previously secret documents 578 00:25:22,522 --> 00:25:24,152 In the public domain. 579 00:25:24,156 --> 00:25:26,356 And from then on, we knew the road map of the industry 580 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,789 And what it had been since the '60s. 581 00:25:28,794 --> 00:25:31,734 So it was only in retrospect that we actually understood 582 00:25:31,731 --> 00:25:34,571 Just how deep and pervasive the influence had been 583 00:25:34,567 --> 00:25:36,727 At the government level, at the research level, 584 00:25:36,736 --> 00:25:41,706 And at the individual ministry area level. 585 00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:45,237 As tobacco rates start falling to maybe 20% 586 00:25:45,244 --> 00:25:48,654 Or below 20%, you're getting into a hardcore group 587 00:25:48,648 --> 00:25:51,978 Of smokers who are not smoking out of pure trice 588 00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:54,024 But they're smoking because they are addicted 589 00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:59,020 And they have a physical need for nicotine in their lives. 590 00:25:59,025 --> 00:26:01,825 - I started smoking cigarettes at 12. 591 00:26:01,827 --> 00:26:05,257 And, really if I think about it, my daughter's 592 00:26:05,264 --> 00:26:08,104 Not too far from 12. 593 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,740 And thinking of her smoking a cigarette is 594 00:26:11,737 --> 00:26:15,037 Really just sickening. 595 00:26:15,041 --> 00:26:17,211 The first time I ever smoked a cigarette a few of my 596 00:26:17,209 --> 00:26:19,539 Friends had come over to spend the night. 597 00:26:19,545 --> 00:26:21,905 And one of the older ones had brought a pack 598 00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:25,254 Of cigarettes from her dad's carton. 599 00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:29,251 We proceeded to go to the tree house across the street 600 00:26:29,255 --> 00:26:35,855 And we smoked the entire pack of cigarettes. 601 00:26:35,861 --> 00:26:38,801 I remember it made me sick. 602 00:26:38,798 --> 00:26:42,768 It made me dizzy, but more importantly 603 00:26:42,768 --> 00:26:45,398 I remember from that moment forward 604 00:26:45,404 --> 00:26:49,044 Wanting to smoke cigarettes. 605 00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:52,741 So, at 12, I mean you can't really go out 606 00:26:52,745 --> 00:26:55,275 And buy a pack of smokes. 607 00:26:55,281 --> 00:26:58,421 So I would basically do what I could. 608 00:26:58,417 --> 00:27:01,247 I would take the 609 00:27:01,253 --> 00:27:03,393 Burning cigarettes from the ash tray 610 00:27:03,389 --> 00:27:05,289 When my mother wasn't looking. 611 00:27:05,291 --> 00:27:08,391 Or, take cigarettes 612 00:27:08,394 --> 00:27:10,294 Out of her pack. 613 00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:14,396 Or, even worse, I would take the butts 614 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,440 Out of the ash tray, which is really disgusting. 615 00:27:20,673 --> 00:27:21,943 - It was not easy. 616 00:27:21,941 --> 00:27:24,941 I probably quit seven, eight, nine times. 617 00:27:24,944 --> 00:27:26,844 And I come back hating myself. 618 00:27:26,846 --> 00:27:29,746 My son looked at me, and he looked so disappointed. 619 00:27:29,749 --> 00:27:30,979 He knew I was smoking. 620 00:27:30,983 --> 00:27:32,783 He knew that I had just failed miserably. 621 00:27:32,785 --> 00:27:34,615 But when the mindset says I need to quit, 622 00:27:34,620 --> 00:27:37,190 I want to quit, I have to quit, I'm going to quit. 623 00:27:37,189 --> 00:27:39,089 And then you try and you fail, you try and you fail, 624 00:27:39,091 --> 00:27:40,621 You try and you fail, you try and you fail. 625 00:27:40,626 --> 00:27:42,926 After awhile you say, screw it, I'm done. 626 00:27:42,928 --> 00:27:44,598 I'll go to my grave smoking. 627 00:27:44,597 --> 00:27:47,327 - And those are the people that are facing 628 00:27:47,333 --> 00:27:49,003 Almost all the risks. 629 00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:50,371 Those are the people that are gonna account for 630 00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:52,539 99% of the lung cancers, 631 00:27:52,538 --> 00:27:54,468 Chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases 632 00:27:54,473 --> 00:27:56,973 And heart diseases caused by smoking. 633 00:27:56,976 --> 00:27:58,776 - We always need a disruption 634 00:27:58,778 --> 00:28:01,678 To actually shift the market and the market forces. 635 00:28:01,681 --> 00:28:04,351 And I believe that hon lik's work as the inventor 636 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,820 Of an e-cigarette really represents 637 00:28:06,819 --> 00:28:09,849 This disruptive change. 638 00:30:13,945 --> 00:30:16,245 - Just a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant 639 00:30:16,248 --> 00:30:18,918 Moment in time which lots of things came together 640 00:30:18,918 --> 00:30:22,618 And hon lik took it and actually made it a reality. 641 00:30:45,376 --> 00:30:48,606 - Hon lik came up with this brilliant invention 642 00:30:48,614 --> 00:30:51,554 And that's the mark of a true innovator, okay. 643 00:30:51,550 --> 00:30:55,190 Somebody that can paradigmly can shift things into 644 00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:58,217 A whole new way of doing things. 645 00:31:14,806 --> 00:31:18,276 - it was in 2005. Originally, I wasn't that excited 646 00:31:18,277 --> 00:31:20,637 When I saw just the manual reading about it 647 00:31:20,646 --> 00:31:22,206 Because I'm not a smoker. 648 00:31:22,214 --> 00:31:24,354 When I actually saw the product 649 00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:25,980 With the vapor coming out 650 00:31:25,985 --> 00:31:27,985 I knew there was something there. 651 00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:29,547 So then we worked on it for about a year. 652 00:31:29,555 --> 00:31:31,885 And so I officially formed siterra 653 00:31:31,891 --> 00:31:34,991 In September of 2006 and we launched it. 654 00:31:34,994 --> 00:31:37,694 Really our big breakthrough was the ces show 655 00:31:37,696 --> 00:31:39,356 January of 2008. 656 00:31:39,365 --> 00:31:41,725 - I'm here at ces 657 00:31:41,734 --> 00:31:44,904 And, I'm mostly interested in gadgets and things. 658 00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:47,444 But, this caught my eye. 659 00:31:47,439 --> 00:31:50,669 This guy is here, and he is not smoking next to me. 660 00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:52,536 Because there is no smoking on the show floor 661 00:31:52,544 --> 00:31:53,544 But he's not smoking. 662 00:31:53,545 --> 00:31:55,505 What is, what exactly is in njoy? 663 00:31:55,514 --> 00:31:57,684 - Njoy is an electronic cigarette. 664 00:31:57,683 --> 00:32:01,423 And the way that we do this, is we take a battery. 665 00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:04,550 From the battery we have a patented vaporization system. 666 00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:06,756 So what you're seeing coming from the device 667 00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:07,859 Is not smoke. 668 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:09,460 It's vapor. 669 00:32:09,461 --> 00:32:13,461 - it became the hit of the show and became written up 670 00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:16,625 In a bunch of magazines, and even online. 671 00:32:16,635 --> 00:32:18,965 - it's a huge memory void as to where I got 672 00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:20,701 My first e-cigarette. 673 00:32:20,706 --> 00:32:23,206 All I know is that I had in 2007 674 00:32:23,208 --> 00:32:24,468 Two or three e-cigs. 675 00:32:24,476 --> 00:32:26,406 One from china, one from america, one from 676 00:32:26,412 --> 00:32:28,552 Somewhere in europe. 677 00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:31,077 And I'm playing with them, that's all I remember. 678 00:32:31,083 --> 00:32:34,623 And they're wonderful things, like absolutely amazing. 679 00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:36,250 But they're also really bad. 680 00:32:36,255 --> 00:32:39,785 I mean, they are, what they are are a proof of concept. 681 00:32:39,792 --> 00:32:43,562 And I'm struck by the potential here. 682 00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:45,932 Thinking, oh my god, this will be the product 683 00:32:45,931 --> 00:32:48,931 That can transform smokers lives. 684 00:32:48,934 --> 00:32:52,674 But, this ain't gonna do it. 685 00:32:52,671 --> 00:32:54,741 And then I thought, well, my god there must be other people 686 00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:56,570 Saying the same thing as me, thinking 687 00:32:56,575 --> 00:33:00,235 Close, very, very close. 688 00:33:00,245 --> 00:33:02,105 And so, you know, where do you go? 689 00:33:02,114 --> 00:33:03,584 You look on the web. 690 00:33:03,582 --> 00:33:05,522 And, nothing. Nothing. 691 00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:08,587 A few dodgy commercials, if you kind of, you know 692 00:33:08,587 --> 00:33:12,317 I-stock photo images of people. 693 00:33:12,324 --> 00:33:14,294 I thought, god, we need a conversation. 694 00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:15,863 We need to start a conversation. 695 00:33:15,861 --> 00:33:18,801 And what a better way to do that than the most 696 00:33:18,797 --> 00:33:21,627 Antiquated form of internet communications, 697 00:33:21,633 --> 00:33:24,033 A forum, that's what we need, a forum. 698 00:33:24,036 --> 00:33:28,836 So I set it up one night in, I think, December 2007. 699 00:33:28,841 --> 00:33:30,641 And, 700 00:33:30,642 --> 00:33:32,812 Not much happened. 701 00:33:32,811 --> 00:33:34,981 So, I went up, as you do 702 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:36,780 Around the internet, and said hey guys 703 00:33:36,782 --> 00:33:38,622 If you want to talk about it come to my website. 704 00:33:38,617 --> 00:33:39,877 And people came. 705 00:33:39,885 --> 00:33:40,675 And we started a conversation about 706 00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:41,946 What are these products? 707 00:33:41,954 --> 00:33:42,854 Where do they come from, who sells them, 708 00:33:42,855 --> 00:33:45,155 How much do they cost? 709 00:33:45,157 --> 00:33:46,717 But principally 710 00:33:46,725 --> 00:33:47,955 These things got to get better. 711 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,160 How are they gonna get better? You know? What's the-- 712 00:33:50,162 --> 00:33:51,962 And we got very anal about it. 713 00:33:51,964 --> 00:33:53,634 So we were taking photographs of 714 00:33:53,632 --> 00:33:55,202 Tiny little pieces of metal 715 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,970 And connections and screws, and things like this. 716 00:33:58,971 --> 00:34:02,171 - I think that I had seen a news story on 717 00:34:02,174 --> 00:34:04,884 Cnn, or something, about this new gadget called 718 00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:06,837 An electronic cigarette. 719 00:34:06,845 --> 00:34:08,345 And I was a heavy smoker. 720 00:34:08,347 --> 00:34:11,147 So, you know, I had a love of electronics 721 00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:12,980 And gadgets, and I smoked 722 00:34:12,985 --> 00:34:14,745 About two and a half packs a day. 723 00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:16,653 So I thought, well, whatever this thing is 724 00:34:16,655 --> 00:34:17,845 It must be for me. 725 00:34:17,856 --> 00:34:20,756 So, I went online and 726 00:34:20,759 --> 00:34:22,059 I found one 727 00:34:22,061 --> 00:34:24,361 And back in those days, you know, 2007, 728 00:34:24,363 --> 00:34:26,063 All you could buy was these big 729 00:34:26,065 --> 00:34:28,725 Bulky pen style e-cigs. 730 00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:30,674 And I bought one, not thinking much about it. 731 00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:32,599 And it showed up one day 732 00:34:32,604 --> 00:34:34,374 And I put it together 733 00:34:34,373 --> 00:34:37,843 And, not really thinking it would be too impressive 734 00:34:37,843 --> 00:34:39,943 But I took a drag, and I was stunned 735 00:34:39,945 --> 00:34:41,775 I was absolutely stunned. 736 00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:45,080 It was, I couldn't believe at 737 00:34:45,084 --> 00:34:48,394 How closely it mimicked the sensation of smoking. 738 00:34:48,387 --> 00:34:52,087 And I remember later that day, four hours had gone by 739 00:34:52,091 --> 00:34:54,091 And it occurred to me that I had forgotten 740 00:34:54,093 --> 00:34:55,193 To have a cigarette. 741 00:34:55,194 --> 00:34:56,864 I was just amazed by this 742 00:34:56,862 --> 00:34:59,802 Way more than I thought I would be. 743 00:34:59,798 --> 00:35:01,698 But there was one thing I was not amazed by 744 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,070 And that was by the taste. 745 00:35:03,068 --> 00:35:04,868 It tasted awful. 746 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:06,700 You really didn't know, in those days, you didn't 747 00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:08,865 Know where the liquid was coming from. 748 00:35:08,874 --> 00:35:10,274 You didn't know how it was being made. 749 00:35:10,275 --> 00:35:11,905 You didn't know what was in it. 750 00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:13,880 In those days, you might be lucky if 751 00:35:13,879 --> 00:35:16,149 You'd get a little plastic bottle 752 00:35:16,148 --> 00:35:18,778 With some liquid in it that said, 753 00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:20,724 "vanilla" or whatever. 754 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:21,989 And that was it. 755 00:35:21,987 --> 00:35:24,417 There were no companies in the United States. 756 00:35:24,423 --> 00:35:26,823 Everything was being made overseas at the time. 757 00:35:26,825 --> 00:35:28,725 And I was really surprised by that. 758 00:35:28,727 --> 00:35:31,387 So, at that point, it wasn't about starting 759 00:35:31,396 --> 00:35:32,926 A company for me. 760 00:35:32,931 --> 00:35:36,801 It was about creating a liquid that I wanted to vape. 761 00:35:36,802 --> 00:35:38,172 That's all it was. 762 00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:41,610 So, I started just 763 00:35:41,607 --> 00:35:45,737 Trial and error, a lot of trial and error. 764 00:35:45,744 --> 00:35:47,744 I went out and bought all the tobacco I could. 765 00:35:47,746 --> 00:35:51,516 I bought cigarette tobacco, pipe tobacco, cigar tobacco. 766 00:35:51,517 --> 00:35:54,847 And just created this giant tobacco mixture. 767 00:35:54,853 --> 00:35:57,853 And what I decided to do was 768 00:35:57,856 --> 00:36:00,286 I went and got five coffeemakers 769 00:36:00,292 --> 00:36:03,532 And I lined them up on my kitchen counter. 770 00:36:03,529 --> 00:36:06,759 And, I brewed, essentially tobacco water. 771 00:36:06,765 --> 00:36:09,325 And I would use that water as the water to 772 00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:10,834 Filter it all over again. 773 00:36:10,836 --> 00:36:14,166 By the time I was done, I had a essentially 774 00:36:14,173 --> 00:36:16,773 A highly concentrated tobacco reduction. 775 00:36:16,775 --> 00:36:20,805 And this, this was the primary flavoring. 776 00:36:20,812 --> 00:36:23,682 I went onto the ecf 777 00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:27,182 And I asked if anyone wanted to try 778 00:36:27,186 --> 00:36:30,516 My new smoke juice, that I was calling it by then. 779 00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:33,122 And, you know, if you want a free sample, let me know 780 00:36:33,125 --> 00:36:34,785 And I'll send it to you. 781 00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:38,663 And kind of figured maybe, 12, 13 people would reply. 782 00:36:38,664 --> 00:36:40,904 And I had over 300 replies. 783 00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:42,169 And it took about two weeks 784 00:36:42,167 --> 00:36:43,997 And I got every single request out. 785 00:36:44,002 --> 00:36:45,902 And then the waiting began. 786 00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:48,714 And it was the longest week of my life. 787 00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:52,877 And so I'll never forget about six days later 788 00:36:52,878 --> 00:36:53,878 I got an email 789 00:36:53,879 --> 00:36:56,749 From someone who I knew was sampling it. 790 00:36:56,748 --> 00:37:00,348 And, and I remember I had to pull over 791 00:37:00,352 --> 00:37:02,352 Before reading the email because I figured, okay, 792 00:37:02,354 --> 00:37:04,824 Well it's all gonna come down to this. 793 00:37:04,823 --> 00:37:07,893 Either they hate it, or they love it. 794 00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:11,033 And, so I pulled over 795 00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:14,759 I looked at the email and it said, 796 00:37:14,766 --> 00:37:16,566 You have to tell me how I can buy this. 797 00:37:16,568 --> 00:37:18,998 And, I thought, okay well 798 00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:20,844 Maybe we have something then. 799 00:37:20,839 --> 00:37:23,939 - it was around 2010 and I saw a friend. 800 00:37:23,942 --> 00:37:26,882 He had a ciga, like, 801 00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:29,508 You know, e-cig. 802 00:37:29,514 --> 00:37:32,184 I asked him about it and thought, oh that's cool. 803 00:37:32,184 --> 00:37:34,424 A few months later I did some research 804 00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:38,049 And I got online and I found there was a company in the uk 805 00:37:38,056 --> 00:37:41,356 That was selling better devices than what my friend had had 806 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,190 And I bought one. 807 00:37:43,195 --> 00:37:46,295 And the day that e-cig arrived 808 00:37:46,298 --> 00:37:50,068 Was it was a life changer. 809 00:37:50,068 --> 00:37:52,738 Literally, as soon as I started using it 810 00:37:52,738 --> 00:37:55,068 I never had another cigarette. 811 00:37:55,073 --> 00:37:56,943 I lost it one night when I was out with friends. 812 00:37:56,942 --> 00:38:00,242 And in the morning, I couldn't find it, and it was gone. 813 00:38:00,245 --> 00:38:02,375 And they're all quite expensive back then and 814 00:38:02,381 --> 00:38:04,881 You had to order them from overseas 815 00:38:04,883 --> 00:38:06,923 And I couldn't afford to replace it immediately 816 00:38:06,918 --> 00:38:09,488 And I couldn't have even if I wanted to, there were no shops. 817 00:38:09,488 --> 00:38:11,988 There was nowhere to buy them in australia at the time. 818 00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:13,490 So I went back to smokes. 819 00:38:13,492 --> 00:38:16,092 My sister died at 820 00:38:16,094 --> 00:38:17,564 34 years old. 821 00:38:17,562 --> 00:38:20,062 From non-hodgkin's lymphoma 822 00:38:20,065 --> 00:38:21,895 In her lungs. 823 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:24,570 And, there's no question that it was the smoking 824 00:38:24,569 --> 00:38:26,099 That did it to her. 825 00:38:26,104 --> 00:38:28,644 And, I've been trying to quit for years 826 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,410 And this had been the thing, the game changer, 827 00:38:30,409 --> 00:38:31,909 That changed everything for me. 828 00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:34,980 Not being able to buy it locally just seemed insane. 829 00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:38,280 So I started a business and it was great. 830 00:38:38,283 --> 00:38:40,523 It was almost word of mouth at the beginning it was 831 00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:42,319 Just an online store. 832 00:38:42,321 --> 00:38:44,591 But it started to get some traction 833 00:38:44,589 --> 00:38:47,559 - The hobbyist side of things that you see today 834 00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:49,489 Really started very, very early on 835 00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:51,664 With this kind of real obsession 836 00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:53,963 With precisely what these devices are. 837 00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:57,125 And what made two devices different. 838 00:38:57,135 --> 00:39:01,035 And that's really how it all started. 839 00:39:10,948 --> 00:39:13,648 - As we've seen in so many other areas of technology, 840 00:39:13,652 --> 00:39:16,152 Suddenly the cozy way in which public policy 841 00:39:16,154 --> 00:39:19,964 Has driven tobacco was challenged by something new. 842 00:39:27,298 --> 00:39:30,728 - I don't think that people either on the public health side 843 00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:35,166 Or the tobacco side, expected how consumers would respond. 844 00:39:35,173 --> 00:39:37,173 'cause it seems that the formulation of the early 845 00:39:37,175 --> 00:39:40,875 E-cigarettes met a need of a smoker to have what they 846 00:39:40,879 --> 00:39:43,979 Really what many of them wanted, 70, 80% want. 847 00:39:43,982 --> 00:39:47,682 To get nicotine's pleasures without getting the damaging effects. 848 00:39:47,686 --> 00:39:49,586 - have we got a solution for you. 849 00:39:49,588 --> 00:39:53,988 The all-exclusive smoking everywhere electronic cigarette. 850 00:39:53,992 --> 00:39:56,562 Are you ready for a change? 851 00:39:56,561 --> 00:40:00,161 - In 2009 and 2010, us customs agents 852 00:40:00,165 --> 00:40:02,825 Seized almost 1,000 shipments of e-cigarettes 853 00:40:02,834 --> 00:40:04,004 At us ports. 854 00:40:13,043 --> 00:40:15,353 - they made a determination that it was 855 00:40:15,347 --> 00:40:17,947 A drug delivery device. 856 00:40:17,949 --> 00:40:21,019 That since it was battery operated 857 00:40:21,019 --> 00:40:22,089 That it was a device. 858 00:40:22,087 --> 00:40:25,117 And therefore under their fda drug delivery 859 00:40:25,123 --> 00:40:26,523 There wasn't fda approval for it, 860 00:40:26,525 --> 00:40:28,855 That they could seize the product. 861 00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:30,630 And they seized, I think probably about 862 00:40:30,629 --> 00:40:32,359 Half a million dollars worth of product. 863 00:40:32,364 --> 00:40:34,864 And the product, when they got it back, was worthless. 864 00:40:34,866 --> 00:40:38,026 - Two e-cigarette companies, smoking everywhere and njoy, sued the fda 865 00:40:38,036 --> 00:40:39,296 In 2009. 866 00:40:39,304 --> 00:40:41,604 - We were reasonably pessimistic at the time 867 00:40:41,606 --> 00:40:44,136 And of course, we had nowhere near the numbers 868 00:40:44,142 --> 00:40:45,612 Of people using the products. 869 00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:46,710 - This was an industry that needed all the 870 00:40:46,711 --> 00:40:47,881 Help it could get. 871 00:40:47,879 --> 00:40:50,249 - one of our moderators was actually day to day 872 00:40:50,248 --> 00:40:52,078 Checking the court documents 873 00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:53,923 And finding out whether there had been an update. 874 00:40:53,919 --> 00:40:55,489 We were on tenterhooks. 875 00:40:55,487 --> 00:40:58,587 I mean, I talk about the ecf would only last two years, 876 00:40:58,590 --> 00:41:00,420 But right then, we were thinking everything was 877 00:41:00,425 --> 00:41:01,655 Gonna just disappear. 878 00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:04,560 There was absolutely no certainty whatsoever 879 00:41:04,563 --> 00:41:06,563 That the judgment was gonna come back 880 00:41:06,565 --> 00:41:09,065 Against what the fda was doing at the time. 881 00:41:09,067 --> 00:41:11,897 - There as definitely a prevailing sense that 882 00:41:11,903 --> 00:41:15,273 If the ruling came down in favor of the fda 883 00:41:15,273 --> 00:41:17,913 It likely would have meant the end of the industry 884 00:41:17,909 --> 00:41:20,609 Before it really had had a chance to get off the ground. 885 00:41:20,612 --> 00:41:23,912 - I filed an amicus brief with the dc court of appeals 886 00:41:23,915 --> 00:41:27,115 In 2010 in support of their case. 887 00:41:27,118 --> 00:41:29,318 And we won. 888 00:41:29,321 --> 00:41:31,421 - the us district court for the district of columbia 889 00:41:31,423 --> 00:41:33,693 Has issued a decision granting leading global 890 00:41:33,692 --> 00:41:36,992 Electronic cigarette brand njoy's motion 891 00:41:36,995 --> 00:41:39,355 For preliminary injunction seeking to prevent 892 00:41:39,364 --> 00:41:42,604 The fda from detaining, or refusing admission 893 00:41:42,601 --> 00:41:45,771 Into the us of its electronic cigarette products. 894 00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:49,310 - We had the hearing in September of 2010. 895 00:41:49,307 --> 00:41:52,107 And actually on pearl harbor day, December 7th, voted 896 00:41:52,110 --> 00:41:53,440 Three-nothing in our favor. 897 00:41:53,445 --> 00:41:55,175 The fda tried to appeal again. 898 00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:56,780 They turned them down. 899 00:41:56,781 --> 00:41:58,451 They announced they weren't gonna appeal 900 00:41:58,450 --> 00:42:00,020 To the supreme court. 901 00:42:00,018 --> 00:42:01,818 - There's a lot of celebrating going on. 902 00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:03,490 - Njoy's a hero in this industry. 903 00:42:03,488 --> 00:42:06,458 For having carried that case to its final conclusion 904 00:42:06,458 --> 00:42:07,788 They really are. 905 00:42:07,792 --> 00:42:10,332 Because without that, I don't think anybody else 906 00:42:10,328 --> 00:42:11,958 Could have stepped up to the plate. 907 00:42:11,963 --> 00:42:14,133 - I remember thinking that 908 00:42:14,132 --> 00:42:16,502 This is the start of the industry. 909 00:42:16,501 --> 00:42:18,071 - there's a new warning this morning that 910 00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:21,069 E-cigarettes may not be as safe as they seem. 911 00:42:21,072 --> 00:42:23,242 The new England journal of medicine says e-cigarette 912 00:42:23,241 --> 00:42:26,641 Users are five to 15 times more likely 913 00:42:26,645 --> 00:42:29,245 To get formaldehyde related cancers 914 00:42:29,247 --> 00:42:30,847 Than long-term smokers. 915 00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:34,719 Formaldehyde is the toxic chemical found in the devices. 916 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,149 - This is the part in our journey where people 917 00:42:36,154 --> 00:42:39,324 Are actually using these devices reached out to us. 918 00:42:39,324 --> 00:42:41,524 They felt like it had to save their lives 919 00:42:41,526 --> 00:42:43,186 Yet it was under attack. 920 00:42:43,194 --> 00:42:44,834 At first, we were skeptical. 921 00:42:44,829 --> 00:42:46,499 Just like everyone else, we'd seen the headlines 922 00:42:46,498 --> 00:42:48,358 That vaping might be more dangerous than smoking 923 00:42:48,366 --> 00:42:49,596 Cigarettes. 924 00:42:49,601 --> 00:42:51,271 - This is a dangerous product. 925 00:42:51,269 --> 00:42:54,369 - It is a poisonous product of nicotine. 926 00:42:54,372 --> 00:42:56,572 - New studies show that e-cigarettes are more deadly 927 00:42:56,575 --> 00:42:58,105 Than regular cigarettes? 928 00:42:58,109 --> 00:42:59,779 - These really have me concerned. 929 00:42:59,778 --> 00:43:03,248 - These products are exposing you to a variety 930 00:43:03,248 --> 00:43:04,548 Of toxic chemicals. 931 00:43:04,549 --> 00:43:06,249 - Understanding that over a billion people 932 00:43:06,251 --> 00:43:08,221 Are gonna die this century from smoking 933 00:43:08,219 --> 00:43:10,219 We knew we had to find the truth. 934 00:43:10,221 --> 00:43:12,391 Because I'm not a smoker, or a vaper, 935 00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:14,260 We packed our bags and headed around the world 936 00:43:14,259 --> 00:43:17,189 To meet with leading scientists and health experts 937 00:43:17,195 --> 00:43:19,595 To find out what was really going on. 938 00:43:22,533 --> 00:43:24,803 - I think the first thing the world needs to know 939 00:43:24,803 --> 00:43:28,073 About vaping is that all of the harm 940 00:43:28,073 --> 00:43:30,573 And the billion lives that we're talking about 941 00:43:30,575 --> 00:43:33,435 And in tobacco use, comes from smoking, 942 00:43:33,445 --> 00:43:35,305 Comes from setting fire to it 943 00:43:35,313 --> 00:43:36,553 And inhaling the smoke. 944 00:43:36,548 --> 00:43:40,318 So it's the toxic particles, the toxic gases. 945 00:43:40,318 --> 00:43:42,248 That's what's doing the damage. 946 00:43:42,253 --> 00:43:45,323 - The real problem is if you set tobacco a light 947 00:43:45,323 --> 00:43:47,263 And you inhale it, 948 00:43:47,258 --> 00:43:49,128 It's bad for you. 949 00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:51,827 If you put a piece of beef in the oven 950 00:43:51,830 --> 00:43:53,430 And you overcook it 951 00:43:53,431 --> 00:43:55,301 And you eat it, it's bad for you. 952 00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:58,100 Anything you set to light and inhale or ingest 953 00:43:58,103 --> 00:43:59,573 Is bad for you. 954 00:43:59,571 --> 00:44:01,941 - If you weren't to smoke, you've solved the problem. 955 00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:03,670 We know how to deal with the smoke. 956 00:44:03,675 --> 00:44:06,075 So, I think people working on this 957 00:44:06,077 --> 00:44:08,337 Every morning, just like clinton when he first ran 958 00:44:08,346 --> 00:44:09,976 For president had that sign saying, 959 00:44:09,981 --> 00:44:11,511 "it's the economy stupid." 960 00:44:11,516 --> 00:44:14,116 To remind him every day what to concentrate on. 961 00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:15,819 It's really simple. 962 00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:19,760 It's the smoke stupid. 963 00:44:19,758 --> 00:44:22,858 - A normal cigarette has at least 4,000 toxicants. 964 00:44:22,861 --> 00:44:25,701 Including-- it has nicotine, as well. 965 00:44:25,697 --> 00:44:29,027 And if a consumer would take all of that on board 966 00:44:29,034 --> 00:44:31,304 They are-- one out of two of those consumers 967 00:44:31,302 --> 00:44:34,702 Will develop disease and die an early death. 968 00:44:34,706 --> 00:44:36,266 Solid evidence to back that up. 969 00:44:36,274 --> 00:44:39,444 - If somebody would have said, "bill, can you think of a 970 00:44:39,444 --> 00:44:43,314 "parameters of a product to replace cigarettes." 971 00:44:43,314 --> 00:44:45,184 Theoretically I've had said, "well, it would be 972 00:44:45,183 --> 00:44:46,983 "99% less hazardous than cigarettes. 973 00:44:46,985 --> 00:44:49,445 "it wouldn't be addicting non-smokers. 974 00:44:49,454 --> 00:44:52,564 "it wouldn't encourage anybody to switch to cigarettes. 975 00:44:52,557 --> 00:44:55,627 "and it would help lots of people quit smoking." 976 00:44:55,627 --> 00:45:00,197 That's the ideal solution to the cigarette epidemic 977 00:45:00,198 --> 00:45:02,468 In this world. 978 00:45:02,467 --> 00:45:04,527 And it's called vaping. 979 00:45:04,536 --> 00:45:06,066 - It's not smoking. 980 00:45:06,071 --> 00:45:07,201 There's no tobacco. 981 00:45:07,205 --> 00:45:08,835 Nothing is lit on fire. 982 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,810 Vaping uses a battery, 983 00:45:10,809 --> 00:45:13,039 Which powers an atomizer, 984 00:45:13,044 --> 00:45:14,544 Which vaporizes a liquid. 985 00:45:14,546 --> 00:45:16,676 Which may, or may not, have nicotine in it, 986 00:45:16,681 --> 00:45:20,081 Has a flavoring, and is made with an fda approved 987 00:45:20,085 --> 00:45:22,145 Food grade liquid base. 988 00:45:22,153 --> 00:45:24,423 - Well I first became interested when some of the most 989 00:45:24,422 --> 00:45:27,522 Hardened smokers that I saw as a general practitioner 990 00:45:27,525 --> 00:45:29,355 Started giving up with the use of these. 991 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,830 That really sort of sparked my fascination 992 00:45:31,830 --> 00:45:34,930 With this whole idea of turning the idea 993 00:45:34,933 --> 00:45:37,373 Of quitting on its head instead of being about 994 00:45:37,368 --> 00:45:38,938 Denial and withdrawal. 995 00:45:38,937 --> 00:45:40,737 But being about something exciting 996 00:45:40,739 --> 00:45:42,269 And something better than smoking. 997 00:45:42,273 --> 00:45:44,013 - it's gonna be one of the biggest 998 00:45:44,008 --> 00:45:46,378 Contributions to public health this century. 999 00:45:46,377 --> 00:45:50,247 It's a really transformative technology. 1000 00:45:50,248 --> 00:45:52,878 And just think back a hundred or plus years 1001 00:45:52,884 --> 00:45:55,624 When the cigarette was first invented, 1002 00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:57,450 That was transformative. 1003 00:45:57,455 --> 00:45:59,555 It did away with all the other kinds of 1004 00:45:59,557 --> 00:46:00,887 Tobacco products. 1005 00:46:00,892 --> 00:46:03,532 E-cigarettes are gonna be equally transformative. 1006 00:46:03,528 --> 00:46:06,128 - It can save a billion lives. 1007 00:46:18,008 --> 00:46:20,408 - Anytime someone attacks a promising alternative 1008 00:46:20,411 --> 00:46:21,911 To a massive problem 1009 00:46:21,913 --> 00:46:24,253 And you have to ask, why? 1010 00:46:24,249 --> 00:46:26,049 The answer is money. 1011 00:46:26,050 --> 00:46:27,550 Money 1012 00:46:27,552 --> 00:46:31,892 And one of the most fascinating alliances in history. 1013 00:46:31,890 --> 00:46:34,460 - Well there are lots of forces that play 1014 00:46:34,459 --> 00:46:36,389 Pro-vaping, and anti-vaping. 1015 00:46:36,394 --> 00:46:38,664 And it's hugely complex. 1016 00:46:38,663 --> 00:46:41,333 - The war on vaping began with the fdas attack. 1017 00:46:41,332 --> 00:46:43,602 But they weren't the only ones on their side. 1018 00:46:43,601 --> 00:46:45,941 To fully understand this alliance that formed 1019 00:46:45,937 --> 00:46:47,767 We need to go to the american south 1020 00:46:47,772 --> 00:46:50,312 And the theory of the baptists and the bootleggers. 1021 00:46:50,308 --> 00:46:52,308 In many counties, they hold periodic votes 1022 00:46:52,310 --> 00:46:54,510 To decide the fate of alcohol sales. 1023 00:46:54,512 --> 00:46:56,612 An unholy alliance forms between the preachers 1024 00:46:56,614 --> 00:46:59,424 Who don't want alcohol being used in their communities. 1025 00:46:59,417 --> 00:47:01,447 And the bootleggers are willing to sell alcohol 1026 00:47:01,452 --> 00:47:03,952 When and where it's not legal. 1027 00:47:03,955 --> 00:47:06,515 They're happy to help the preachers restrict alcohol sales 1028 00:47:06,524 --> 00:47:08,964 Because that kills their competition. 1029 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,530 It's a classic example of the enemy of my enemy 1030 00:47:11,529 --> 00:47:12,859 Is my friend. 1031 00:47:12,864 --> 00:47:14,764 At the end of the day they both drive around town 1032 00:47:14,766 --> 00:47:18,626 With the same bumper stickers. 1033 00:47:18,636 --> 00:47:20,496 Unfortunately, counties that vote to restrict alcohol 1034 00:47:20,505 --> 00:47:23,505 Sales have higher rates of drunk driving fatalities. 1035 00:47:23,508 --> 00:47:26,378 We see the same two sides in the vaping wars. 1036 00:47:26,377 --> 00:47:28,537 You have the bootleggers who are opposed to vaping 1037 00:47:28,546 --> 00:47:30,376 For business reasons. 1038 00:47:30,381 --> 00:47:32,981 And you have the preachers who are opposed to vaping 1039 00:47:32,984 --> 00:47:34,484 On moralistic grounds. 1040 00:47:37,988 --> 00:47:39,888 Well let's talk about the bootlegger side. 1041 00:47:39,891 --> 00:47:41,521 Remember big tobacco? 1042 00:47:41,526 --> 00:47:43,486 They don't like competition for their one trillion 1043 00:47:43,494 --> 00:47:44,734 Dollar business. 1044 00:47:44,729 --> 00:47:47,159 - analysts say electronic, or e-cigarettes 1045 00:47:47,165 --> 00:47:49,195 Will become a two billion dollar industry 1046 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,230 Worldwide by the end of the year. 1047 00:47:51,236 --> 00:47:53,496 With some predicting sales will outpace 1048 00:47:53,504 --> 00:47:56,314 Conventional cigarettes within five to 10 years. 1049 00:47:56,307 --> 00:47:58,037 - Cigarette companies realize 1050 00:47:58,042 --> 00:48:00,242 That e-cigarettes are now a threat 1051 00:48:00,245 --> 00:48:01,405 To the old business. 1052 00:48:01,412 --> 00:48:02,352 - And, are they? 1053 00:48:02,347 --> 00:48:06,277 - It's one of the very rare cases where you have 1054 00:48:06,284 --> 00:48:08,554 Such controversy about the product. 1055 00:48:08,553 --> 00:48:12,823 And to the point that people don't understand that 1056 00:48:12,824 --> 00:48:16,434 It is the main competitor of tobacco cigarettes today. 1057 00:48:16,427 --> 00:48:20,257 The e-cigarette is the main competitor of tobacco cigarettes. 1058 00:48:37,047 --> 00:48:39,017 - some people have had changes in behavior, 1059 00:48:39,017 --> 00:48:41,217 Hostility, agitation, depressed mood, 1060 00:48:41,219 --> 00:48:43,249 And suicidal thoughts or actions while taking 1061 00:48:43,254 --> 00:48:44,794 Or after stopping chantix. 1062 00:48:44,789 --> 00:48:47,189 Some people can have allergic or serious skin reactions 1063 00:48:47,191 --> 00:48:49,361 To chantix, some of which can be life threatening. 1064 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,230 Patients also reported trouble sleeping 1065 00:48:51,229 --> 00:48:53,599 And vivid, unusual or strange dreams. 1066 00:48:53,598 --> 00:48:55,768 Talk to your doctor to find out if prescription 1067 00:48:55,767 --> 00:48:57,567 Chantix is right for you. 1068 00:48:57,568 --> 00:49:00,098 - Drug companies know that doctors hold all 1069 00:49:00,104 --> 00:49:02,574 The real power in the prescription drug business. 1070 00:49:02,573 --> 00:49:04,913 - break the hold of nicotine addiction. 1071 00:49:04,909 --> 00:49:07,739 See your doctor about treatments. 1072 00:49:07,745 --> 00:49:09,605 - While they spend nearly four billion dollars 1073 00:49:09,614 --> 00:49:11,584 A year marketing directly to us 1074 00:49:11,582 --> 00:49:15,652 They spend an estimated 24 billion dollars a year 1075 00:49:15,653 --> 00:49:17,453 Marketing directly to doctors. 1076 00:49:17,455 --> 00:49:19,555 - Big pharmaceutical companies also lovingly 1077 00:49:19,557 --> 00:49:21,817 Known as big pharma, want to protect their 1078 00:49:21,826 --> 00:49:25,556 Six billion dollar nicotine replacement therapy business. 1079 00:49:25,563 --> 00:49:27,503 - not only are they trying to ban 1080 00:49:27,498 --> 00:49:29,468 All their competitors, 1081 00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:31,397 The smoke-free alternatives, 1082 00:49:31,402 --> 00:49:33,802 But they are trying to promote gums, patches, 1083 00:49:33,805 --> 00:49:35,935 Lozenges and any fda approved drugs 1084 00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:38,010 As the only effective was to quit smoking. 1085 00:49:38,009 --> 00:49:40,939 - I'm not a big fan of nicotrol, nicaband, 1086 00:49:41,244 --> 00:49:41,984 Habitrol. 1087 00:49:42,612 --> 00:49:44,312 The inhalers. 1088 00:49:44,315 --> 00:49:46,615 Which contain the exact same thing that vaping 1089 00:49:46,617 --> 00:49:47,517 Devices have. 1090 00:49:47,518 --> 00:49:48,918 The propylene glycol. 1091 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,320 The only thing it doesn't have is the the flavors. 1092 00:49:51,322 --> 00:49:52,662 - nicotine replacement therapy 1093 00:49:52,657 --> 00:49:56,757 Which is not an attractive product at all. 1094 00:49:56,761 --> 00:49:59,801 And it does not deliver the success that it should. 1095 00:49:59,797 --> 00:50:02,297 - Okay, I'm gonna cook the purple one. 1096 00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:05,500 - he gets the prescription from his doctor. 1097 00:50:05,503 --> 00:50:07,703 It's also found in the over the counter 1098 00:50:07,705 --> 00:50:10,035 Anti-smoking drug zyban. 1099 00:50:10,041 --> 00:50:12,881 But crushed, cooked, and injected 1100 00:50:12,877 --> 00:50:15,607 It delivers a crack cocaine-like high. 1101 00:50:15,613 --> 00:50:17,653 Each hit leaves a scar. 1102 00:50:17,648 --> 00:50:20,178 Skin abscesses, collapsed veins, 1103 00:50:20,184 --> 00:50:21,654 And clogged arteries. 1104 00:50:21,652 --> 00:50:24,122 Injuries attributed to injecting wellbutrin 1105 00:50:24,122 --> 00:50:25,392 And zyban. 1106 00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:27,490 It's killed six people in ontario. 1107 00:50:27,492 --> 00:50:29,792 - people go out and get prescription for chantix. 1108 00:50:29,794 --> 00:50:32,194 No, that was fast-tracked through the fda. 1109 00:50:32,196 --> 00:50:33,896 It has a black box warning on it. 1110 00:50:33,898 --> 00:50:35,868 Could cause you to have suicidal thoughts. 1111 00:50:35,867 --> 00:50:37,497 Could cause you to commit suicide. 1112 00:50:37,502 --> 00:50:40,472 But that's fine, let's just keep selling that crap, you know. 1113 00:50:40,471 --> 00:50:42,511 - If you look at the united kingdom 1114 00:50:42,507 --> 00:50:45,337 And the solid evidence which is being built up by 1115 00:50:45,343 --> 00:50:47,983 Robert wist, it shows without any doubt 1116 00:50:47,979 --> 00:50:51,409 That e-cigarettes have already supplanted 1117 00:50:51,416 --> 00:50:54,476 Nicotine replacement therapy, medicine, 1118 00:50:54,485 --> 00:50:56,915 As the preferred way for smokers to quit 1119 00:50:56,921 --> 00:51:00,161 Or to substitute their smoking. 1120 00:51:00,158 --> 00:51:02,528 - So if you have a pharmaceutical company 1121 00:51:02,527 --> 00:51:04,827 Who's starting to see your share of the market 1122 00:51:04,829 --> 00:51:06,699 On nicotine replacement therapy 1123 00:51:06,697 --> 00:51:09,827 Slide relative to these-- up and coming 1124 00:51:09,834 --> 00:51:11,774 E-cig people, what are you gonna do? 1125 00:51:11,769 --> 00:51:14,699 You're gonna sit on your bum and do nothing? 1126 00:51:22,512 --> 00:51:24,852 - under the korean law, electronic cigarettes 1127 00:51:24,849 --> 00:51:26,219 Are considered cigarettes. 1128 00:51:26,217 --> 00:51:28,447 Until comprehensive research proves that e-cigarettes 1129 00:51:28,453 --> 00:51:31,893 Are harm-free, and contribute to quitting smoking. 1130 00:51:31,889 --> 00:51:34,589 Nicotine patches or chews that are scientifically proven 1131 00:51:34,592 --> 00:51:36,862 To be safe, should be promoted. 1132 00:51:36,861 --> 00:51:39,901 - It made sense to find big tobacco and big pharma 1133 00:51:39,897 --> 00:51:42,597 In the bootlegger camp, 'cause they sell things. 1134 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,900 But it was confusing to us when we found national 1135 00:51:44,902 --> 00:51:47,472 Governments were right there with them. 1136 00:51:47,472 --> 00:51:49,912 - Governments worldwide are the biggest 1137 00:51:49,907 --> 00:51:52,777 Shareholders in the revenue of cigarettes. 1138 00:51:52,777 --> 00:51:54,907 - Using the united states as an a example, 1139 00:51:54,912 --> 00:51:58,582 In 2010, the year that the fda went after vaping, 1140 00:51:58,583 --> 00:52:00,783 The federal government collected 15 and a half 1141 00:52:00,785 --> 00:52:02,785 Billion dollars in tobacco taxes. 1142 00:52:02,787 --> 00:52:05,987 Just three years later, after vaping began to take off, 1143 00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:09,130 Tobacco taxes were down to 14 billion dollars. 1144 00:52:09,127 --> 00:52:11,957 That's a difference of one and a half billion dollars. 1145 00:52:11,963 --> 00:52:16,773 - The e-cigarette industry should be put out of business. 1146 00:52:16,767 --> 00:52:18,497 - The government's getting billions of billions 1147 00:52:18,503 --> 00:52:19,843 Of billions of tax revenue. 1148 00:52:19,837 --> 00:52:21,637 - But it's not just the taxes. 1149 00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:24,269 Some countries actually own their own tobacco companies. 1150 00:52:24,275 --> 00:52:28,435 - The chinese national tobacco corporation 1151 00:52:28,446 --> 00:52:31,746 Is the main supplier of cigarettes. 1152 00:52:31,749 --> 00:52:34,849 It's 100% owned by the chinese government. 1153 00:52:34,852 --> 00:52:37,022 So in effect, the chinese government 1154 00:52:37,021 --> 00:52:39,821 Is the world's largest tobacco company. 1155 00:52:39,824 --> 00:52:42,364 - japan tobacco owns the camel brand. 1156 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,360 Besides those two, there are 14 other countries 1157 00:52:44,362 --> 00:52:47,002 That own large tobacco companies. 1158 00:52:52,770 --> 00:52:54,770 So who are the preachers? 1159 00:52:54,772 --> 00:52:56,812 Unfortunately, these are the people smokers 1160 00:52:56,807 --> 00:52:58,107 Go to for advice. 1161 00:52:58,109 --> 00:52:59,679 Their medical professionals and other healthcare 1162 00:52:59,677 --> 00:53:00,607 Organizations. 1163 00:53:00,611 --> 00:53:01,711 Like the cdc, 1164 00:53:01,712 --> 00:53:02,952 Fda, 1165 00:53:02,947 --> 00:53:04,607 And the world health organization. 1166 00:53:04,615 --> 00:53:06,845 - The fundamental truth, I think is that 1167 00:53:06,851 --> 00:53:08,881 The battle in the end became very personalized. 1168 00:53:08,886 --> 00:53:11,686 It became public health versus the tobacco industry. 1169 00:53:11,689 --> 00:53:14,159 - Tobacco control has had decades of doing 1170 00:53:14,158 --> 00:53:15,358 The same things. 1171 00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:17,859 Just, you know, screwing down the controls 1172 00:53:17,862 --> 00:53:21,202 A bit harder, increasing the taxes a bit more. 1173 00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:22,329 Doing plain packaging. 1174 00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:24,803 None of which I disagree with. 1175 00:53:24,802 --> 00:53:29,142 But, when something comes out of totally out of left field, 1176 00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:31,010 I don't think they know how to deal with it. 1177 00:53:31,008 --> 00:53:33,208 - The groups that were kind of in charge of that 1178 00:53:33,211 --> 00:53:37,511 Around the world, felt that really they were in the 1179 00:53:37,515 --> 00:53:39,145 Final leg, the final push 1180 00:53:39,150 --> 00:53:41,020 Would just end this story forever. 1181 00:53:41,018 --> 00:53:43,518 - And now we cannot allow e-cigarettes 1182 00:53:43,521 --> 00:53:45,921 To snuff out the progress we've made 1183 00:53:45,923 --> 00:53:49,193 Preventing nicotine addiction and its deadly consequences. 1184 00:53:49,193 --> 00:53:52,093 - It's shocking to hear, I almost, you know, flinch 1185 00:53:52,096 --> 00:53:55,226 When I hear, colleagues saying things 1186 00:53:55,233 --> 00:53:58,033 About e-cigarettes that we know, or they should know 1187 00:53:58,035 --> 00:54:01,365 Are completely wrong, exaggerated, or scare-mongering. 1188 00:54:01,372 --> 00:54:03,272 There's too much of that going on. 1189 00:54:03,274 --> 00:54:05,714 - We don't know enough research in terms of 1190 00:54:05,710 --> 00:54:06,780 The long-term risks. 1191 00:54:06,777 --> 00:54:08,607 - The jury's out on this one. 1192 00:54:08,613 --> 00:54:10,853 They might, or might not be able to help you quit 1193 00:54:10,848 --> 00:54:13,878 But there are definite harms that they can cause. 1194 00:54:13,884 --> 00:54:16,424 - We don't yet know about vaping. 1195 00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:17,850 - It's the same as antifreeze. 1196 00:54:17,855 --> 00:54:19,755 - We used to have very dangerous products 1197 00:54:19,757 --> 00:54:21,887 And the makers of those used to lie about those. 1198 00:54:21,892 --> 00:54:24,132 We now have much safer products 1199 00:54:24,128 --> 00:54:26,528 And the public health communities lying about those. 1200 00:54:26,530 --> 00:54:29,270 - We know that they don't actually allow people 1201 00:54:29,267 --> 00:54:30,727 To stop smoking. 1202 00:54:30,735 --> 00:54:32,735 - now there's even more evidence that 1203 00:54:32,737 --> 00:54:36,137 That these are a gateway to smoking regular cigarettes. 1204 00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:39,380 - These cigarette makers are making these for kids. 1205 00:54:39,377 --> 00:54:42,207 Because they make chocolate, and other flavors. 1206 00:54:42,213 --> 00:54:43,783 - What's going on? 1207 00:54:43,781 --> 00:54:45,951 - Frankly, they don't think they can see too clearly 1208 00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:48,550 Sometimes when it comes to a product 1209 00:54:48,552 --> 00:54:50,992 That involves nicotine, like e-cigarettes. 1210 00:54:50,988 --> 00:54:55,588 Because of the association with tobacco that just 1211 00:54:55,593 --> 00:54:57,993 Seems to blot out the sun for these people. 1212 00:54:57,995 --> 00:55:00,225 And they can't look at the facts as objectively 1213 00:55:00,231 --> 00:55:01,731 As they otherwise might. 1214 00:55:01,732 --> 00:55:04,502 - In many people's mind, nicotine is so closely 1215 00:55:04,502 --> 00:55:08,902 Associated with tobacco and smoke. 1216 00:55:08,906 --> 00:55:11,006 That they don't separate out. 1217 00:55:11,008 --> 00:55:13,338 This is just one of the components 1218 00:55:13,344 --> 00:55:15,084 In a cigarette. 1219 00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,679 - What we always used to say in the stop smoking services 1220 00:55:17,682 --> 00:55:21,752 Is that nicotine is as addictive as heroin and cocaine. 1221 00:55:21,752 --> 00:55:25,952 But actually, we're finding more now 1222 00:55:25,956 --> 00:55:28,016 That once you take it out of the cigarette 1223 00:55:28,025 --> 00:55:30,625 Which we know has got other chemicals into 1224 00:55:30,628 --> 00:55:33,028 Enhance the action of nicotine 1225 00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:35,500 It doesn't seem to be so addictive. 1226 00:55:35,499 --> 00:55:38,299 - You never see anyone sniffing pure nicotine. 1227 00:55:38,302 --> 00:55:40,842 You never see anyone injecting pure nicotine. 1228 00:55:40,838 --> 00:55:44,038 No one wants to inject or to use nicotine in a pure form 1229 00:55:44,041 --> 00:55:46,281 And you know it would be much cheaper 1230 00:55:46,277 --> 00:55:50,007 To get nicotine as a solution 1231 00:55:50,014 --> 00:55:52,284 Rather than to use, to take it from cigarettes. 1232 00:55:52,283 --> 00:55:53,953 But everyone likes cigarettes because it's 1233 00:55:53,951 --> 00:55:55,321 Not only nicotine. 1234 00:55:55,319 --> 00:55:57,189 - It's not particularly dangerous in itself. 1235 00:55:57,188 --> 00:55:59,558 Some people are saying, well, in terms of risk 1236 00:55:59,557 --> 00:56:02,187 It may be on the level with, say, coffee 1237 00:56:02,193 --> 00:56:03,493 Or something like that. 1238 00:56:03,494 --> 00:56:06,334 - nicotine is a mild stimulant. 1239 00:56:06,330 --> 00:56:10,070 We have data from sweden which-- where they have 1240 00:56:10,067 --> 00:56:12,667 Huge rates of nicotine use 1241 00:56:12,670 --> 00:56:14,070 Lifelong use. 1242 00:56:14,071 --> 00:56:16,841 The rates of lung cancer are half that 1243 00:56:16,841 --> 00:56:18,071 Of the rest of europe. 1244 00:56:18,075 --> 00:56:19,905 The rates of heart attacks are half that 1245 00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:21,210 Of the rest of europe. 1246 00:56:21,212 --> 00:56:23,412 And the reason is because the tobacco they use 1247 00:56:23,414 --> 00:56:27,084 Is a special smokeless pasteurized product called snus 1248 00:56:27,084 --> 00:56:30,594 Which is a harm-reduction product, much the same 1249 00:56:30,588 --> 00:56:32,318 As electronic cigarettes are. 1250 00:56:32,323 --> 00:56:37,033 And so we know that really lifelong use of nicotine 1251 00:56:37,027 --> 00:56:39,827 You can't measure any significant health 1252 00:56:39,830 --> 00:56:41,230 Impacts from that. 1253 00:56:41,232 --> 00:56:44,072 - The data we have on that is, it really comes from 1254 00:56:44,068 --> 00:56:47,198 Looking at people using patches and gums. 1255 00:56:47,204 --> 00:56:50,044 And the data show that you can use nicotine 1256 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,370 For many many years. 1257 00:56:51,375 --> 00:56:54,035 - Many people have gone on to be lifelong users 1258 00:56:54,044 --> 00:56:56,114 Including I might say my sister, 1259 00:56:56,113 --> 00:56:59,083 With no additional risk, but dramatic declines 1260 00:56:59,083 --> 00:57:01,583 In their probability of risks. 1261 00:57:01,585 --> 00:57:04,015 And I think part of it is the way physicians, 1262 00:57:04,021 --> 00:57:06,091 Nurses, health professionals get trained 1263 00:57:06,090 --> 00:57:08,020 And the way they send their message forward 1264 00:57:08,025 --> 00:57:11,225 They often don't know that very simple fact. 1265 00:57:11,228 --> 00:57:14,098 - What I'm extremely disappointed with in myself 1266 00:57:14,098 --> 00:57:16,198 And in our movement, especially around the 1267 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,200 Framework convention on tobacco control 1268 00:57:19,203 --> 00:57:23,143 Is that we did not recognize the simple role of nicotine, 1269 00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:25,070 Molecule nicotine, 1270 00:57:25,075 --> 00:57:28,035 And the possibility of tobacco on reduction. 1271 00:57:28,045 --> 00:57:30,205 Frankly you don't get people to move 1272 00:57:30,214 --> 00:57:32,254 And especially not one 1.4 billion people 1273 00:57:32,249 --> 00:57:34,719 To move by giving them a sermon. 1274 00:57:34,718 --> 00:57:37,588 And lecturing them and saying, you quit or you die. 1275 00:57:37,588 --> 00:57:40,258 Here's some nicotine replacement therapy, or gum 1276 00:57:40,257 --> 00:57:42,957 Or your patch, you'll only be allowed to use it 1277 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,260 For 12 weeks. 1278 00:57:44,261 --> 00:57:48,101 Because, you're the bad person, you need to stop smoking. 1279 00:57:48,098 --> 00:57:52,098 And use this and then let's hope that we can fix you. 1280 00:57:52,102 --> 00:57:55,572 And that's a gap, and it's a great failing. 1281 00:57:59,810 --> 00:58:03,180 - what struck me, was in my career, which extends 1282 00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:06,980 From working on tobacco in south africa through who, 1283 00:58:06,984 --> 00:58:09,524 Is how rarely we actually make the point 1284 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,120 Very clearly, that nicotine addicts, tar kills. 1285 00:58:13,123 --> 00:58:16,023 That very simple separation of what's in a product. 1286 00:58:16,026 --> 00:58:17,326 And yet we've known it for years. 1287 00:58:17,328 --> 00:58:19,188 It was in the original surgeon general's report 1288 00:58:19,196 --> 00:58:21,626 In 1964, clearly stated 1289 00:58:21,632 --> 00:58:24,132 That long-term use of nicotine alone confers 1290 00:58:24,134 --> 00:58:27,174 Very little to no harms on people. 1291 00:58:27,171 --> 00:58:29,941 - do those professionals actually know 1292 00:58:29,940 --> 00:58:32,340 How people die of smoking? 1293 00:58:32,343 --> 00:58:35,483 And then you get to the disturbing fact that 1294 00:58:35,479 --> 00:58:38,879 If you ask the question to, let's say 1295 00:58:38,883 --> 00:58:41,183 The physicians in america, 1296 00:58:41,185 --> 00:58:43,285 "does nicotine cause cancer?" 1297 00:58:43,287 --> 00:58:44,447 Simple question. 1298 00:58:44,455 --> 00:58:46,215 Does that cause cancer? 1299 00:58:46,223 --> 00:58:48,893 70% of them would say yes. 1300 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,200 And the science is absolutely clear 1301 00:58:53,197 --> 00:58:56,157 That nicotine is not a carcinogen. 1302 00:58:56,166 --> 00:58:57,866 It is an addictive agent. 1303 00:58:57,868 --> 00:59:01,298 So it's part of the ritual and the attractiveness 1304 00:59:01,305 --> 00:59:02,735 Of people smoking cigarettes. 1305 00:59:02,740 --> 00:59:05,240 But it's not the nicotine that kills, 1306 00:59:05,242 --> 00:59:06,682 It's the tar and the smoke. 1307 00:59:06,677 --> 00:59:10,147 We weren't honest with our patients. 1308 00:59:12,081 --> 00:59:16,151 If health professionals, and those who are in a position 1309 00:59:16,153 --> 00:59:19,253 Of trust, where people would want to confide 1310 00:59:19,256 --> 00:59:22,316 Or discuss quitting, 1311 00:59:22,326 --> 00:59:25,186 You would want them to have the right information. 1312 00:59:25,195 --> 00:59:27,325 And that, to me, was the shocking 1313 00:59:27,331 --> 00:59:30,171 Shocking part, in myself, is that I 1314 00:59:30,167 --> 00:59:32,997 Did not know that nicotine is not a carcinogen. 1315 00:59:33,003 --> 00:59:35,203 So where I would have been in a position to help 1316 00:59:35,205 --> 00:59:38,235 My patients, or family members who smoke 1317 00:59:38,242 --> 00:59:41,882 With less harmful products 1318 00:59:41,879 --> 00:59:45,279 So that they, if they couldn't stop or quit smoking 1319 00:59:45,282 --> 00:59:47,682 They'd at least switch to something less harmful. 1320 00:59:47,685 --> 00:59:49,885 And unfortunately, the health professionals 1321 00:59:49,887 --> 00:59:52,287 Especially physicians are normally 1322 00:59:52,289 --> 00:59:54,619 Not in a position where they get 1323 00:59:54,625 --> 00:59:56,955 Feedback when they are wrong. 1324 00:59:56,961 --> 01:00:00,361 Very honest to say that I personally got it wrong. 1325 01:00:03,267 --> 01:00:07,367 - Fda's own funded scientists came out and said 1326 01:00:07,371 --> 01:00:11,541 That vapers are exposed to dramatically 1327 01:00:11,542 --> 01:00:14,382 Less toxicants than 1328 01:00:14,378 --> 01:00:15,778 Smokers. 1329 01:00:15,779 --> 01:00:18,879 And they are exposed to very similar levels of toxicants 1330 01:00:18,882 --> 01:00:21,052 As non-tobacco users. 1331 01:00:21,051 --> 01:00:24,651 Unfortunately, the fda officials, when they 1332 01:00:24,655 --> 01:00:27,315 Talk to the news media, don't say that. 1333 01:00:27,324 --> 01:00:30,794 - The dilemma is you, you can't get 1.4 billion people. 1334 01:00:30,794 --> 01:00:32,634 It's the size of the catholic church. 1335 01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:37,230 It's the size of the indian population. 1336 01:00:37,234 --> 01:00:40,244 All to quit smoking cigarettes tomorrow. 1337 01:00:40,237 --> 01:00:42,497 It's just not going to happen. 1338 01:00:42,506 --> 01:00:46,006 So the alternative is to provide safer, 1339 01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:49,310 Not safe, but safer alternatives. 1340 01:00:49,313 --> 01:00:51,153 - all these other products are so much less 1341 01:00:51,148 --> 01:00:52,478 Hazardous. 1342 01:00:52,483 --> 01:00:55,123 And yet, our public health agencies are saying, 1343 01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:58,119 No, no, you have to absolutely stop all tobacco 1344 01:00:58,122 --> 01:00:59,352 And all nicotine use. 1345 01:00:59,356 --> 01:01:00,356 That's their goal. 1346 01:01:01,557 --> 01:01:03,327 ♪ lollipop lollipop 1347 01:01:03,327 --> 01:01:05,487 ♪ oh lolli lolli lolli 1348 01:01:05,496 --> 01:01:07,426 ♪ lollipop lollipop 1349 01:01:07,431 --> 01:01:09,631 ♪ oh lolli lolli lolli 1350 01:01:09,633 --> 01:01:12,303 ♪ lollipop lollipop 1351 01:01:16,906 --> 01:01:18,366 - As we look at the arguments against vaping 1352 01:01:18,375 --> 01:01:22,005 From the preachers, it seems that there's an issue of pride. 1353 01:01:22,012 --> 01:01:24,182 Nobody likes to admit that they're wrong, 1354 01:01:24,181 --> 01:01:26,351 Especially when they're the expert. 1355 01:01:35,391 --> 01:01:37,031 - my name is serena chen, I'm with the 1356 01:01:37,027 --> 01:01:39,187 American lung association. 1357 01:01:39,196 --> 01:01:41,656 - Every time we watched a public hearing about vaping 1358 01:01:41,665 --> 01:01:43,325 It was intriguing to see that one of the major 1359 01:01:43,333 --> 01:01:47,243 Health charities was there to attack it immediately. 1360 01:01:47,237 --> 01:01:50,837 - The anti-tobacco community 1361 01:01:50,841 --> 01:01:53,481 Is also a small economy in itself. 1362 01:01:53,477 --> 01:01:56,207 - Cancer, heart, and lung, for the last 1363 01:01:56,213 --> 01:01:58,983 20 years, their tobacco control advocacy 1364 01:01:58,982 --> 01:02:02,422 Has all been financed by pharmaceutical grants 1365 01:02:02,419 --> 01:02:04,089 And contracts. 1366 01:02:04,088 --> 01:02:06,988 - I found out that cancer's 150 billion dollar industry. 1367 01:02:06,990 --> 01:02:07,660 Hmmm. 1368 01:02:08,325 --> 01:02:11,255 The american cancer society, you know, 1369 01:02:11,261 --> 01:02:14,401 Most profitable non-profit organization out there. 1370 01:02:14,398 --> 01:02:16,058 - Every advertisement on television you saw 1371 01:02:16,066 --> 01:02:18,396 For gums, patches, and lozenges for the nicoderm, 1372 01:02:18,402 --> 01:02:20,442 Nicorette, and commit lozenge 1373 01:02:20,437 --> 01:02:23,507 It said, sponsored by the american cancer society 1374 01:02:23,507 --> 01:02:26,007 And it had the american cancer society logo on it. 1375 01:02:26,009 --> 01:02:28,679 - Every state has a chapter, every county has a chapter, 1376 01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:30,679 And every city has a chapter. 1377 01:02:30,681 --> 01:02:33,751 17 to 18% of that money goes to research. 1378 01:02:33,751 --> 01:02:36,451 The rest goes to the multi-million dollar salaries 1379 01:02:36,453 --> 01:02:38,393 Of all of the ceos, cfos, 1380 01:02:38,388 --> 01:02:40,018 Coos, cdos, 1381 01:02:40,023 --> 01:02:41,363 Clos. 1382 01:02:41,358 --> 01:02:43,428 Everybody's got-- and so on and so on and so on. 1383 01:02:43,427 --> 01:02:45,927 I just know that people keep donating year after year 1384 01:02:45,929 --> 01:02:48,029 After year after year and we have more walks 1385 01:02:48,031 --> 01:02:49,931 And more relays and more ribbons. 1386 01:02:49,933 --> 01:02:52,403 Because people haven't done what the problem 1387 01:02:52,402 --> 01:02:53,772 Needed to be done. 1388 01:02:53,771 --> 01:02:56,041 And that is, stop the source of the problem. 1389 01:02:56,039 --> 01:02:57,469 You go to a river, you see a baby floating down, 1390 01:02:57,474 --> 01:02:59,114 A dead baby floating down. 1391 01:02:59,109 --> 01:03:00,539 You pull in the dead baby, I'll pull a dead baby, 1392 01:03:00,544 --> 01:03:01,944 Another dead baby comes out, pull out a dead baby. 1393 01:03:01,945 --> 01:03:03,545 All we're doing is reaction, pull out dead. 1394 01:03:03,547 --> 01:03:05,477 Look, go to the beginning of the mouth of the river 1395 01:03:05,482 --> 01:03:07,282 And see who's throwing the babies in. 1396 01:03:07,284 --> 01:03:08,724 Then stop that person then maybe we won't have 1397 01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:10,449 The dead babies floating down the river. 1398 01:03:10,454 --> 01:03:12,554 I know I'm being obnoxious here, but 1399 01:03:12,556 --> 01:03:14,216 It's as simple as that. 1400 01:03:14,224 --> 01:03:18,234 - If the tobacco model as we know it were to change 1401 01:03:18,228 --> 01:03:20,558 Drastically, all of those ngo's 1402 01:03:20,564 --> 01:03:21,964 Would be out of business. 1403 01:03:21,965 --> 01:03:23,395 They're holding onto the phone, 1404 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:24,830 They don't want the phone to die. 1405 01:03:24,835 --> 01:03:27,395 - Then I started investigating the product 1406 01:03:27,404 --> 01:03:30,474 And I could see the potential. I was worried, also, 1407 01:03:30,474 --> 01:03:32,244 Because potential was very high. 1408 01:03:32,242 --> 01:03:34,742 I said, wow, my smoking cessation center 1409 01:03:34,745 --> 01:03:36,945 Would be out of business in a matter of 1410 01:03:36,947 --> 01:03:37,947 A few years. 1411 01:04:02,405 --> 01:04:04,365 - So we have the bootleggers 1412 01:04:04,374 --> 01:04:06,214 With their billions of dollars. 1413 01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:07,610 And we have the preachers 1414 01:04:07,611 --> 01:04:10,351 With their loud voices and trusted brands. 1415 01:04:10,347 --> 01:04:12,177 How does this truth stand a chance 1416 01:04:12,182 --> 01:04:15,382 Especially when the vast majority of vaping advocates 1417 01:04:15,385 --> 01:04:18,385 Are a rag tag bunch of unorganized vapers. 1418 01:04:18,388 --> 01:04:21,018 And their loudest group are the cloud chasers. 1419 01:04:21,958 --> 01:04:25,658 ♪ I hear the freaks, freaks, freaks come out 1420 01:04:25,662 --> 01:04:27,062 ♪ they don't stop dancing til 1421 01:04:27,064 --> 01:04:29,504 ♪ the sunlight hits their eyes 1422 01:04:29,499 --> 01:04:33,369 ♪ I hear the freaks, freaks, freaks come out 1423 01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:34,840 ♪ and this club's lookin' like 1424 01:04:34,838 --> 01:04:36,968 ♪ everyone's lost their mind 1425 01:04:36,974 --> 01:04:38,314 ♪ heading tonight 1426 01:04:38,308 --> 01:04:40,678 ♪ li-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-ive 1427 01:04:40,677 --> 01:04:44,547 ♪ I get the feeling that tonight's on for sure 1428 01:04:44,548 --> 01:04:48,248 ♪ inject my blood with the bass line black light 1429 01:04:48,252 --> 01:04:51,992 ♪ I hear the freaks are coming out for some more 1430 01:04:51,989 --> 01:04:53,659 ♪ I hear the freaks-freaks 1431 01:04:53,657 --> 01:04:55,657 ♪ frea-frea-frea-freaaeaeaeaea frea 1432 01:04:55,659 --> 01:04:57,259 ♪ I hear the freaks-freaks 1433 01:04:57,261 --> 01:04:59,491 ♪frea-freafreaffrearferaferaerfa 1434 01:04:59,496 --> 01:05:01,156 ♪ let's drop 1435 01:05:01,164 --> 01:05:05,074 - For the first time, stopping smoking can be fun. 1436 01:05:05,068 --> 01:05:08,738 You don't see websites devoted to the latest patch. 1437 01:05:08,739 --> 01:05:11,169 You know, you don't see any chat like that. 1438 01:05:11,174 --> 01:05:14,514 You see masses of chat in the forums and so on, 1439 01:05:14,511 --> 01:05:17,081 People talking about these devices, how they're using them 1440 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,010 And so, it's kind of interesting. 1441 01:05:19,016 --> 01:05:21,116 It's kind of a bit of a community sense. 1442 01:05:21,118 --> 01:05:22,548 - they're hanging out together. 1443 01:05:22,552 --> 01:05:23,952 They're a group again. 1444 01:05:23,954 --> 01:05:25,554 They're family. 1445 01:05:25,555 --> 01:05:27,555 They were persecuted, he was persecuted, and she was-- 1446 01:05:27,557 --> 01:05:29,287 So now they can all come together 1447 01:05:29,293 --> 01:05:31,433 And they're not gonna be persecuted anymore because 1448 01:05:31,428 --> 01:05:32,888 They've done what we've asked them to do 1449 01:05:32,896 --> 01:05:34,926 And that is find a safer alternative. 1450 01:05:35,731 --> 01:05:38,201 ♪ whoa whoa 1451 01:05:38,201 --> 01:05:40,641 - But the vast majority of vapers 1452 01:05:40,637 --> 01:05:42,237 Are moms and dads, 1453 01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:43,809 Grandmas and grandpas, 1454 01:05:43,807 --> 01:05:45,037 Your neighbors, 1455 01:05:45,042 --> 01:05:47,382 Who are desperately trying to quit 1456 01:05:47,377 --> 01:05:49,637 Something that is slowly killing them. 1457 01:05:49,646 --> 01:05:51,306 - I'm from the uk. 1458 01:05:51,315 --> 01:05:52,375 I'm a dad. 1459 01:05:52,382 --> 01:05:54,282 An it engineer. 1460 01:05:54,284 --> 01:05:55,084 A vaper. 1461 01:05:55,085 --> 01:05:56,575 An archer. 1462 01:05:56,586 --> 01:05:57,386 A cook. 1463 01:05:57,387 --> 01:05:59,247 A husband. 1464 01:05:59,256 --> 01:06:01,116 Used to be a chemist. 1465 01:06:01,124 --> 01:06:03,164 And, 1466 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:04,760 Used to be a smoker. 1467 01:06:04,761 --> 01:06:07,601 I tried an rt, and I've tried cold turkey. 1468 01:06:07,597 --> 01:06:09,757 And I tried all sorts of things to try 1469 01:06:09,766 --> 01:06:11,496 To give up smoking because I knew 1470 01:06:11,501 --> 01:06:14,941 That it was making me ill. 1471 01:06:14,938 --> 01:06:16,598 And the year before I stopped smoking I had more than 1472 01:06:16,606 --> 01:06:20,636 Four serious chest infections that required 1473 01:06:20,644 --> 01:06:24,684 Inhalers, and drugs, you know, it was crazy. 1474 01:06:24,681 --> 01:06:28,321 Just over five years ago I came across this bad boy. 1475 01:06:28,318 --> 01:06:31,348 I haven't got rid of it because well, 1476 01:06:31,355 --> 01:06:32,615 It's kind of a savior. 1477 01:06:32,622 --> 01:06:35,622 On that day I stopped smoking tobacco. 1478 01:06:35,625 --> 01:06:36,955 That was it. 1479 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:37,960 I quit. 1480 01:06:39,762 --> 01:06:42,602 That's pretty powerful stuff. 1481 01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:45,599 I just got the device myself. 1482 01:06:45,602 --> 01:06:48,172 I didn't need anyone's help. 1483 01:06:48,171 --> 01:06:49,801 I didn't need a prescription. 1484 01:06:49,806 --> 01:06:51,766 I didn't need a doctor's say so. 1485 01:06:51,775 --> 01:06:53,675 I didn't need a hand out from the government. 1486 01:06:53,677 --> 01:06:56,677 Or the health authority, or a charity. 1487 01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,180 I just quit smoking. 1488 01:07:00,216 --> 01:07:01,976 That's mad. 1489 01:07:01,985 --> 01:07:03,545 That's kinda cool. 1490 01:07:42,458 --> 01:07:44,828 - In the meantime, the people who have the power to 1491 01:07:44,828 --> 01:07:46,688 Help them quit smoking find themselves 1492 01:07:46,696 --> 01:07:48,396 In a conflict of interests. 1493 01:07:48,398 --> 01:07:49,998 Let's look at the fda. 1494 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,530 The fda is known to have a history of hiring people 1495 01:07:52,536 --> 01:07:55,536 From big pharma, and then once they're done at the fda 1496 01:07:55,539 --> 01:07:56,869 They go back to big pharma. 1497 01:07:56,873 --> 01:07:58,413 It's a revolving door. 1498 01:07:58,408 --> 01:08:01,038 The current head of the fda center for tobacco 1499 01:08:01,044 --> 01:08:04,084 Is a former lobbyist for the big pharma company 1500 01:08:04,081 --> 01:08:06,581 That sells nicorette gum in the United States. 1501 01:08:06,583 --> 01:08:09,423 This is the same division that in 2014 1502 01:08:09,419 --> 01:08:13,019 Proposed banning 99% of the vapor products on the market. 1503 01:08:13,023 --> 01:08:16,763 - It will ban more than 99.99% 1504 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,690 Of all e-cigarette products on the market today. 1505 01:08:19,696 --> 01:08:22,296 - Over in california, state senator leno was accepting 1506 01:08:22,299 --> 01:08:25,069 Large campaign contributions from big pharma 1507 01:08:25,068 --> 01:08:27,798 While at the same time proposing regulations 1508 01:08:27,804 --> 01:08:30,274 And taxes on vapor products. 1509 01:08:30,273 --> 01:08:33,243 - We are at risk of losing 25 years effort 1510 01:08:33,243 --> 01:08:35,583 And a two billion dollar investment 1511 01:08:35,579 --> 01:08:38,209 In keeping a next generation from becoming 1512 01:08:38,215 --> 01:08:41,945 Addicted to the killing drug of nicotine. 1513 01:08:41,952 --> 01:08:44,452 We have information from not only the california 1514 01:08:44,454 --> 01:08:46,894 Department of public health, which has declared 1515 01:08:46,890 --> 01:08:49,890 These devices to be dangerous and unsafe. 1516 01:08:49,893 --> 01:08:52,493 And they are currently in the midst of an 1517 01:08:52,496 --> 01:08:54,156 Educational campaign. 1518 01:08:54,164 --> 01:08:55,764 You may have seen some of the television commercials 1519 01:08:55,765 --> 01:08:57,725 That are out right now. 1520 01:08:57,734 --> 01:08:59,734 - you smoke pack after pack 1521 01:08:59,736 --> 01:09:00,796 Day after day. 1522 01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:12,810 ♪ I'm back in baby's arms 1523 01:09:12,816 --> 01:09:16,346 ♪ I missed those lovin' arms 1524 01:09:16,353 --> 01:09:17,693 - your day stays fresh. 1525 01:09:17,687 --> 01:09:21,587 ♪ I'm back where I belong 1526 01:09:21,591 --> 01:09:27,831 ♪ back in baby's arms 1527 01:09:27,831 --> 01:09:29,661 - And then you're gonna hear from all the health advocacy 1528 01:09:29,666 --> 01:09:32,026 Groups, the lung association, the heart association, 1529 01:09:32,035 --> 01:09:33,595 The cancer society 1530 01:09:33,603 --> 01:09:35,473 All those who are in the business 1531 01:09:35,472 --> 01:09:37,472 Of protecting public health 1532 01:09:37,474 --> 01:09:40,144 Will be speaking in support. 1533 01:09:52,922 --> 01:09:55,892 - The american cancer society took endorsement money 1534 01:09:55,892 --> 01:09:57,732 For nicotine patches and gum 1535 01:09:57,727 --> 01:09:59,457 And then released official statements 1536 01:09:59,462 --> 01:10:00,902 Warning against vaping. 1537 01:10:00,897 --> 01:10:03,997 - For disclosure, neither I nor smoke-free pennsylvania 1538 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,530 Has ever received any funding from any 1539 01:10:06,536 --> 01:10:08,566 Tobacco company, from any drug company, 1540 01:10:08,572 --> 01:10:10,872 Or from any e-cigarette company. 1541 01:10:10,874 --> 01:10:14,914 Most of the anti-tobacco movement, the large organizations 1542 01:10:14,911 --> 01:10:18,011 For the last 20 years, the campaign for tobacco-free kids, 1543 01:10:18,014 --> 01:10:21,854 The american cancer society, the american heart association, 1544 01:10:21,851 --> 01:10:24,091 The american lung association, the american academy 1545 01:10:24,087 --> 01:10:27,587 Of pediatrics, the american medical association 1546 01:10:27,591 --> 01:10:30,831 And many more have received hundreds of millions 1547 01:10:30,827 --> 01:10:33,927 Of dollars from the pharmaceutical companies 1548 01:10:33,930 --> 01:10:36,500 That manufacture and market the nicotine gums, 1549 01:10:36,499 --> 01:10:38,669 Lozenges and patches 1550 01:10:38,668 --> 01:10:43,768 And the chantix and wellbutrin medicines. 1551 01:10:43,773 --> 01:10:47,683 For the last 10 years, these organizations have been 1552 01:10:47,677 --> 01:10:51,347 Lobbying to ban all smoke-free alternatives. 1553 01:10:51,348 --> 01:10:55,278 And we know they started with smokeless tobacco, 1554 01:10:55,285 --> 01:10:57,515 With snus, with dissolvables, 1555 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,920 With lozenges, the tobacco lozenges that came out. 1556 01:11:01,925 --> 01:11:03,725 And then when e-cigarettes came out 1557 01:11:03,727 --> 01:11:06,027 The first thing they did was urge the fda to ban them 1558 01:11:06,029 --> 01:11:06,929 In 2009. 1559 01:11:06,930 --> 01:11:08,400 And the fda did. 1560 01:11:08,398 --> 01:11:10,898 - When you have this kind of a triage, okay. 1561 01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:13,030 And then you have these other people now feeding off 1562 01:11:13,036 --> 01:11:15,936 The tentacles, cancer, lung, heart, getting all this money 1563 01:11:15,939 --> 01:11:17,239 From the government. 1564 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,210 Getting money from the master tobacco settlement. 1565 01:11:20,210 --> 01:11:22,640 What are they supposed to do? 1566 01:11:30,019 --> 01:11:32,419 - With all the lobbying from big charities, it looks like 1567 01:11:32,422 --> 01:11:34,492 Government took the convenient opportunity 1568 01:11:34,491 --> 01:11:36,961 To protect their tobacco profits. 1569 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,730 - The category is under threat. 1570 01:11:39,729 --> 01:11:42,729 Countries like singapore, thailand, 1571 01:11:42,732 --> 01:11:45,132 Probably indonesia, australia 1572 01:11:45,135 --> 01:11:46,995 Have banned e-cigarettes. 1573 01:11:47,003 --> 01:11:49,973 We just had a vaper from australia saying 1574 01:11:49,973 --> 01:11:52,673 She's smoked for 43 years. 1575 01:11:52,676 --> 01:11:55,076 She tried everything. 1576 01:11:55,078 --> 01:11:58,908 Patches, gum, behavioral therapy, the works. 1577 01:11:58,915 --> 01:12:00,275 Didn't work. 1578 01:12:00,283 --> 01:12:02,423 She heard about e-cigarettes and she asked her local 1579 01:12:02,419 --> 01:12:04,919 Pharmacist, can she have that, she didn't have. 1580 01:12:04,921 --> 01:12:07,661 Then she found the quit line. 1581 01:12:07,657 --> 01:12:09,087 Could she have an e-cigarette. 1582 01:12:09,092 --> 01:12:12,632 She's tried all the other modalities of cessation. 1583 01:12:12,629 --> 01:12:14,699 They said, "no, it's illegal." 1584 01:12:14,698 --> 01:12:18,828 So that is sending her to an early death. 1585 01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:23,810 - Twenty countries have now banned e-cigarettes 1586 01:12:23,807 --> 01:12:26,037 Thanks to, due to world health organization 1587 01:12:26,042 --> 01:12:27,042 Telling them to. 1588 01:12:27,043 --> 01:12:29,683 - In hong kong it's a $12,000 fine. 1589 01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:31,949 And/or up to two years in jail. 1590 01:12:31,948 --> 01:12:34,148 In brunei, it's $10,000. 1591 01:12:34,150 --> 01:12:36,020 This is happening all over the world 1592 01:12:36,019 --> 01:12:39,049 Where countries have banned, or heavily restricted vaping. 1593 01:12:39,055 --> 01:12:40,715 - And you're doing nothing about smoking. 1594 01:12:40,724 --> 01:12:43,064 So you're in a place where you can get cigarettes 1595 01:12:43,059 --> 01:12:44,059 Everywhere 1596 01:12:44,060 --> 01:12:46,530 But you cannot get e-cigarettes. 1597 01:12:46,529 --> 01:12:51,029 - By banning all these least hazardous alternatives 1598 01:12:51,034 --> 01:12:53,574 They're actually protecting cigarette markets. 1599 01:12:53,570 --> 01:12:55,570 - A vaper... 1600 01:12:55,572 --> 01:12:56,842 From dubai. 1601 01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,140 He was telling me that he had quit smoking 1602 01:12:59,142 --> 01:13:01,212 Two years ago with e-cigarettes. 1603 01:13:01,211 --> 01:13:04,351 But, he was forced, 1604 01:13:04,347 --> 01:13:10,217 By the government, due to the ban, to illegally 1605 01:13:10,220 --> 01:13:15,160 Introduce e-cigarette products in the country 1606 01:13:15,158 --> 01:13:18,388 In order for him to stay off cigarettes. 1607 01:13:18,395 --> 01:13:22,695 So, you are forcing someone to become, to do some 1608 01:13:22,699 --> 01:13:25,699 Illegal actions in order to stay away from cigarettes. 1609 01:13:25,702 --> 01:13:29,442 And I don't see any reasoning 1610 01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,269 And any common sense behind that. 1611 01:13:32,275 --> 01:13:35,075 - In some countries you need a prescription to vape. 1612 01:13:35,078 --> 01:13:37,108 But you can go to the store and buy cigarettes. 1613 01:13:37,113 --> 01:13:39,253 In australia, they ban vaping liquids that have nicotine 1614 01:13:39,249 --> 01:13:42,419 In them because they say nicotine is a poison. 1615 01:13:42,419 --> 01:13:45,789 Yet they sell nicotine gum right in convenience stores 1616 01:13:45,789 --> 01:13:47,689 Without any sort of prescription. 1617 01:13:47,690 --> 01:13:51,130 - Then three black suvs 1618 01:13:51,127 --> 01:13:53,227 Raided my house. 1619 01:13:53,229 --> 01:13:57,399 They had a search warrant, a search and seizure warrant. 1620 01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,800 And they came in and they went through all my things. 1621 01:14:01,805 --> 01:14:05,435 They bagged and tagged everything they could find 1622 01:14:05,442 --> 01:14:08,482 Related to electronic cigarettes. 1623 01:14:08,478 --> 01:14:12,078 And, yeah, they took all my stuff. 1624 01:14:12,081 --> 01:14:16,051 It was horrible, it was a scene out of like 1625 01:14:16,052 --> 01:14:18,992 It was like, it was like they thought I was some sort 1626 01:14:18,988 --> 01:14:20,758 Of columbian drug cartel, or something. 1627 01:14:20,757 --> 01:14:23,117 They were alleging that I breached an obscure 1628 01:14:23,126 --> 01:14:26,056 Tobacco control act, a law 1629 01:14:26,062 --> 01:14:28,262 That said, it is illegal to sell product 1630 01:14:28,264 --> 01:14:30,234 That is not a tobacco product 1631 01:14:30,233 --> 01:14:34,143 But is designed to resemble a tobacco product. 1632 01:14:34,137 --> 01:14:35,837 Um yeah. 1633 01:14:35,839 --> 01:14:38,509 The law wasn't written to block electronic cigarettes. 1634 01:14:38,508 --> 01:14:42,178 The law was written to block candy cigarettes, 1635 01:14:42,178 --> 01:14:43,948 You know those little white cigarettes 1636 01:14:43,947 --> 01:14:45,277 With the little red ends on them. 1637 01:14:45,281 --> 01:14:46,811 That's what the law was written for. 1638 01:14:46,816 --> 01:14:49,276 And the health department were trying to stretch 1639 01:14:49,285 --> 01:14:51,515 This law and then use it to block 1640 01:14:51,521 --> 01:14:54,421 The lifesaving technology it was insane. 1641 01:14:54,424 --> 01:14:56,294 But nonetheless, they took all my things 1642 01:14:56,292 --> 01:14:58,362 And I had to shut the business down. 1643 01:14:58,361 --> 01:15:01,031 It was horrible after all the success 1644 01:15:01,030 --> 01:15:03,300 And seeing the difference I was making in so many 1645 01:15:03,299 --> 01:15:06,169 People's lives, to have it shut down and taken away 1646 01:15:06,169 --> 01:15:09,339 Like that was just, it was just horrible. 1647 01:15:09,339 --> 01:15:11,939 I felt, I couldn't let this go. 1648 01:15:11,941 --> 01:15:14,481 If I had given up at that point in time, 1649 01:15:14,477 --> 01:15:15,377 It was over. 1650 01:15:15,378 --> 01:15:17,348 A precedent would have been set 1651 01:15:17,347 --> 01:15:20,277 Banning the sale of these devices. 1652 01:15:20,283 --> 01:15:23,153 I can't possibly explain what it's like 1653 01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:25,852 To tell your family that 1654 01:15:25,855 --> 01:15:27,285 You're gonna push ahead with this thing 1655 01:15:27,290 --> 01:15:30,320 Even though it's probably gonna bankrupt you. 1656 01:15:30,326 --> 01:15:31,556 But you're simply gonna do it because it's 1657 01:15:31,561 --> 01:15:33,061 The right thing to do. 1658 01:15:35,097 --> 01:15:38,867 And then at the end, after you do it all 1659 01:15:38,868 --> 01:15:40,498 And you go through all of these sacrifices 1660 01:15:40,503 --> 01:15:42,343 And all of this pain 1661 01:15:42,338 --> 01:15:45,708 And all the fights and arguments, 1662 01:15:45,708 --> 01:15:48,138 The court simply ignores the argument 1663 01:15:48,144 --> 01:15:49,644 And simply finds you guilty. 1664 01:15:49,646 --> 01:15:51,876 The lives of millions of australians and billions 1665 01:15:51,881 --> 01:15:54,151 Of people worldwide don't appear to matter 1666 01:15:54,150 --> 01:15:55,920 In this situation. 1667 01:15:55,919 --> 01:15:58,049 It seems to be about money. 1668 01:15:58,054 --> 01:15:59,594 Somebody's got an agenda. 1669 01:15:59,589 --> 01:16:01,589 And it isn't about us. 1670 01:16:07,529 --> 01:16:09,599 Don't let the bastards win. 1671 01:16:16,939 --> 01:16:19,009 I think that's all for now. 1672 01:16:32,287 --> 01:16:35,187 - One of the biggest vaping news stories in 2015 1673 01:16:35,191 --> 01:16:38,191 Was when portland state university came out with a study 1674 01:16:38,194 --> 01:16:41,434 Showing that there was more formaldehyde in vapor 1675 01:16:41,431 --> 01:16:43,031 Than in cigarettes. 1676 01:16:43,032 --> 01:16:46,432 - formaldehyde study basically was a fraud. 1677 01:16:46,436 --> 01:16:48,436 The person who did it... 1678 01:16:50,706 --> 01:16:53,236 Set the pv on a wrong setting 1679 01:16:53,242 --> 01:16:57,712 And it would dry puff, no vaper could use it. 1680 01:16:57,714 --> 01:17:00,254 - All the way up to 12, I'm not trying this 1681 01:17:00,249 --> 01:17:03,319 All the way through. 1682 01:17:05,989 --> 01:17:10,489 Wish me luck. 1683 01:17:17,333 --> 01:17:18,633 It can't be done. 1684 01:17:18,635 --> 01:17:21,235 - But they made a machine inhale it. 1685 01:17:21,237 --> 01:17:23,597 And then they assumed this machine would inhale 1686 01:17:23,606 --> 01:17:26,606 So many, hundreds of inhales every hour 1687 01:17:26,609 --> 01:17:28,309 For the rest of their life 1688 01:17:28,311 --> 01:17:31,411 For 75 years they projected it out to be. 1689 01:17:31,414 --> 01:17:34,254 And they added up all these dry puffs 1690 01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:37,250 Of the machine dry puffing for 75 years in a row. 1691 01:17:37,253 --> 01:17:39,323 And then said it might be more carcinogenic 1692 01:17:39,322 --> 01:17:40,922 Than cigarette smoking. 1693 01:17:40,923 --> 01:17:42,363 But, it was a fraud. 1694 01:17:42,358 --> 01:17:45,588 A lot of these researchers, they're mostly funded 1695 01:17:45,595 --> 01:17:46,755 By the federal government. 1696 01:17:46,763 --> 01:17:48,333 The food and drug administration 1697 01:17:48,331 --> 01:17:49,801 And the department of health and human services 1698 01:17:49,799 --> 01:17:51,329 Through the national institutes of health 1699 01:17:51,334 --> 01:17:53,504 And through the centers for disease control 1700 01:17:53,503 --> 01:17:56,443 Are funding most of the people who are trying 1701 01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:57,809 To ban e-cigarettes. 1702 01:17:57,807 --> 01:18:00,307 And they're funding them to go out and lobby to ban 1703 01:18:00,309 --> 01:18:01,639 E-cigarettes. 1704 01:18:01,644 --> 01:18:03,284 - Even though it's completely illegal 1705 01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:05,879 The cdc gave grants to the washington state chapter 1706 01:18:05,882 --> 01:18:07,952 Of the american lung association 1707 01:18:07,950 --> 01:18:10,280 Who used that money for lobbying. 1708 01:18:10,286 --> 01:18:11,786 This is what happened. 1709 01:18:11,788 --> 01:18:14,158 - king five news. 1710 01:18:14,157 --> 01:18:18,287 - For so many adults, this has been a life 1711 01:18:18,294 --> 01:18:20,134 Changing intervention. 1712 01:18:20,129 --> 01:18:22,559 - now at 6:30 a heated hearing in olympia 1713 01:18:22,565 --> 01:18:24,625 As the state tries to become the first in the nation 1714 01:18:24,634 --> 01:18:27,704 To regulate e-cigarettes like tobacco. 1715 01:18:27,704 --> 01:18:29,574 Staff bureau chief drew nicholson looks at the proposal 1716 01:18:29,572 --> 01:18:31,812 That would make washington's vaping laws 1717 01:18:31,808 --> 01:18:33,668 Some of the toughest in the country. 1718 01:18:33,676 --> 01:18:35,306 - It's a violation of federal law 1719 01:18:35,311 --> 01:18:38,051 To use federal funding to lobby for laws. 1720 01:18:38,047 --> 01:18:39,547 But it's been going on. 1721 01:18:39,549 --> 01:18:42,479 The cdcs been warned about it by the department 1722 01:18:42,485 --> 01:18:47,385 Of health and human inspector general report. 1723 01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:49,720 They had hearings in front of the us house 1724 01:18:49,726 --> 01:18:53,086 Of representatives, energy and commerce committee on this. 1725 01:18:53,096 --> 01:18:56,356 The tom freiden was warned that he could not 1726 01:18:56,365 --> 01:18:58,325 Insist in his grants giving out the 1727 01:18:58,334 --> 01:19:01,674 State health departments that they lobby for laws. 1728 01:19:01,671 --> 01:19:03,001 He was putting it in the grapes 1729 01:19:03,005 --> 01:19:04,535 And it's a violation of federal law. 1730 01:19:04,540 --> 01:19:07,710 So this has been going on, this is why all these cities, 1731 01:19:07,710 --> 01:19:09,610 Municipal health departments, and state health department 1732 01:19:09,612 --> 01:19:11,612 Directors have come out calling for bans on 1733 01:19:11,614 --> 01:19:13,584 E-cigarettes because they don't want to lose 1734 01:19:13,583 --> 01:19:15,283 Their cdc funding. 1735 01:19:15,284 --> 01:19:17,284 And why these researchers keep coming out 1736 01:19:17,286 --> 01:19:18,916 Every researcher that comes out and generates 1737 01:19:18,921 --> 01:19:22,191 A news story saying e-cigarettes contain toxic chemicals 1738 01:19:22,191 --> 01:19:25,361 Gets another 10 million dollar grant from the fda 1739 01:19:25,361 --> 01:19:28,061 Or the national institutes of health. 1740 01:19:28,064 --> 01:19:30,604 - Nothing motivates people quite like fear. 1741 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,070 Especially when it involves their children. 1742 01:19:33,069 --> 01:19:34,969 - You know this recent report found nearly 1743 01:19:34,971 --> 01:19:37,371 Two million middle school and high school students 1744 01:19:37,373 --> 01:19:40,473 Have tried electronic cigarettes, or e-cigarettes. 1745 01:19:40,476 --> 01:19:42,436 That set off some alarm bells and this week 1746 01:19:42,445 --> 01:19:45,205 40 state attorney's general called on the us 1747 01:19:45,214 --> 01:19:48,324 Food and drug administration to regulate these cigs 1748 01:19:48,317 --> 01:19:49,977 Just like it regulates tobacco. 1749 01:19:49,986 --> 01:19:52,986 - The federal health agencies goals 1750 01:19:52,989 --> 01:19:56,589 Was hoping by year 2020 that we could get 1751 01:19:56,592 --> 01:19:59,492 The past month smoking rate among youth 1752 01:19:59,495 --> 01:20:01,425 Down to 16%. 1753 01:20:01,430 --> 01:20:04,400 It's down below 10% now. 1754 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,730 Five years ahead of schedule. 1755 01:20:06,736 --> 01:20:09,266 And it's because of e-cigarettes. 1756 01:20:09,272 --> 01:20:11,942 - The regulatory authorities then confused the water 1757 01:20:11,941 --> 01:20:15,281 By saying, well, maybe it reduces harm 1758 01:20:15,278 --> 01:20:16,978 But maybe it doesn't. 1759 01:20:16,979 --> 01:20:18,909 And we definitely need more research. 1760 01:20:18,915 --> 01:20:20,845 But of course, we need more research on everything. 1761 01:20:20,850 --> 01:20:22,920 - What do you think, is it a question 1762 01:20:22,919 --> 01:20:26,489 Are they bad for you, or we just still don't know? 1763 01:20:26,489 --> 01:20:29,619 - I think what we can say basically is 1764 01:20:29,625 --> 01:20:32,355 They might be or might not be able to help you quit. 1765 01:20:32,361 --> 01:20:35,861 But there are definite harms that they can cause. 1766 01:20:35,865 --> 01:20:38,825 And those definite harms are in different environments. 1767 01:20:38,835 --> 01:20:41,595 So if they get kids hooked on nicotine 1768 01:20:41,604 --> 01:20:42,874 That's a really bad thing. 1769 01:20:42,872 --> 01:20:45,512 - Virtually all the daily users of teenagers 1770 01:20:45,508 --> 01:20:49,178 Are either smokers, or people who used to smoke. 1771 01:20:49,178 --> 01:20:53,278 And the problem is, the researchers aren't disclosing 1772 01:20:53,282 --> 01:20:55,622 A lot of this daily use data. 1773 01:20:55,618 --> 01:20:58,448 So the only two surveys have ever asked people, 1774 01:20:58,454 --> 01:21:01,324 Did you vape nicotine, or no nicotine? 1775 01:21:01,324 --> 01:21:03,824 And they found 96% of all non-smokers 1776 01:21:03,826 --> 01:21:06,126 Who had ever used an e-cigarette in their life 1777 01:21:06,128 --> 01:21:08,658 Used no nicotine e-cigarettes. 1778 01:21:08,664 --> 01:21:11,074 - You've called this deeply troubling in the past. 1779 01:21:11,067 --> 01:21:13,127 And, why? 1780 01:21:13,135 --> 01:21:16,535 Well, if you start with e-cigarettes 1781 01:21:16,539 --> 01:21:19,309 There's a real likelihood that you will become 1782 01:21:19,308 --> 01:21:20,668 Nicotine addicted. 1783 01:21:20,676 --> 01:21:23,676 - So called gateway effect is used as a reason why 1784 01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:26,249 E-cigarettes should not be used. 1785 01:21:26,249 --> 01:21:29,419 If children start with e-cigarettes that leads 1786 01:21:29,418 --> 01:21:32,688 As a gateway to stronger drugs and to smoking. 1787 01:21:32,688 --> 01:21:34,518 There's no evidence to back it up yet. 1788 01:21:34,523 --> 01:21:36,763 - Just applying first principles to it. 1789 01:21:36,759 --> 01:21:39,589 If a product has mainly only nicotine 1790 01:21:39,595 --> 01:21:42,155 And another one has nicotine and tar 1791 01:21:42,164 --> 01:21:45,534 I don't think you need a long-term 10 year study to say 1792 01:21:45,534 --> 01:21:48,404 The former is definitely a better choice for a smoker 1793 01:21:48,404 --> 01:21:50,274 Who wants to quit, than the latter. 1794 01:21:50,273 --> 01:21:52,743 - You don't think that they had something 1795 01:21:52,742 --> 01:21:56,512 So solid that vaping and e-cigs were deadly 1796 01:21:56,512 --> 01:21:59,912 And harmful, the formaldehyde, the carcinogens, 1797 01:21:59,916 --> 01:22:02,216 The nico, the-- it's all bullshit. 1798 01:22:02,218 --> 01:22:05,348 - If you look at the united kingdom 1799 01:22:05,354 --> 01:22:08,724 E-cigarette users up to the end of last year 1800 01:22:08,724 --> 01:22:12,364 70% of them thought that e-cigarettes 1801 01:22:12,361 --> 01:22:14,701 Were safer than standard cigarettes. 1802 01:22:14,697 --> 01:22:16,527 That was their perception. 1803 01:22:16,532 --> 01:22:18,602 And in the space of six months, that's dropped down 1804 01:22:18,601 --> 01:22:22,041 To an perception rate of about 43%. 1805 01:22:22,038 --> 01:22:26,638 So through the misinformation, bad science 1806 01:22:26,642 --> 01:22:27,742 It's hurt the category. 1807 01:22:27,743 --> 01:22:30,083 - Let me ask about the other people who are 1808 01:22:30,079 --> 01:22:32,579 Around people who may be smoking e-cigarettes. 1809 01:22:32,581 --> 01:22:34,781 Is the idea of secondhand smoke, I mean we know about 1810 01:22:34,784 --> 01:22:36,754 That with cigarettes, but some researchers say 1811 01:22:36,752 --> 01:22:39,822 The amount of potential carcinogens in the vapor 1812 01:22:39,822 --> 01:22:42,462 Potentially is extremely minute 1813 01:22:42,458 --> 01:22:44,118 That it's insignificant in fact. 1814 01:22:44,126 --> 01:22:46,086 I mean, do you disagree with that? 1815 01:22:46,095 --> 01:22:48,395 - Well we don't know what's in more than 200 different 1816 01:22:48,397 --> 01:22:49,927 E-cigarette products out there. 1817 01:22:49,932 --> 01:22:52,002 What we do know is that there is nicotine. 1818 01:22:52,001 --> 01:22:55,171 - They should be accurate and responsible communication 1819 01:22:55,171 --> 01:22:58,441 Of the facts to the consumer. 1820 01:22:58,441 --> 01:23:02,181 And such a responsible agency 1821 01:23:02,178 --> 01:23:04,308 Would need to weigh their words very carefully. 1822 01:23:04,313 --> 01:23:06,583 - The dangers of e-cigarettes are clear. 1823 01:23:06,582 --> 01:23:09,452 Today's electronic cigarettes are no better 1824 01:23:09,452 --> 01:23:11,992 Than the joe camels of the past. 1825 01:23:29,971 --> 01:23:34,511 - If all the smokers of cigarettes today 1826 01:23:34,510 --> 01:23:37,710 Switched to e-cigarettes tomorrow, 1827 01:23:37,713 --> 01:23:42,953 The billion lives will definitely be significantly reduced. 1828 01:23:42,952 --> 01:23:45,292 - It's the smoking that kills people. 1829 01:23:45,287 --> 01:23:47,187 It's not the nicotine. 1830 01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:50,389 People smoke for the nicotine, but they die 1831 01:23:50,393 --> 01:23:51,963 Because they inhale smoke. 1832 01:23:51,961 --> 01:23:54,131 - We have none of the tar, the smoke, 1833 01:23:54,130 --> 01:23:57,830 Or the 4,000 plus chemicals going into your body. 1834 01:23:57,833 --> 01:24:00,633 - There's no evidence that vaping has caused 1835 01:24:00,636 --> 01:24:02,796 Or associated with any disease. 1836 01:24:02,805 --> 01:24:04,465 And we know that it's helped several million 1837 01:24:04,473 --> 01:24:07,543 People quit smoking. 1838 01:24:07,543 --> 01:24:09,883 - So the billion lives that we're trying to save, 1839 01:24:09,879 --> 01:24:11,809 Better do a hell of a lot more than we're doing now 1840 01:24:11,814 --> 01:24:13,914 Because right now the army isn't big enough. 1841 01:24:13,916 --> 01:24:15,746 A lot of people don't even want to fight the war anymore 1842 01:24:15,751 --> 01:24:17,851 Because we're, it's an uphill battle. 1843 01:24:17,853 --> 01:24:20,053 People are exhausted and tired and frustrated 1844 01:24:20,056 --> 01:24:21,416 And angry and pissed off 1845 01:24:21,424 --> 01:24:23,924 And upset with the fact that we can't fix it 1846 01:24:23,926 --> 01:24:25,926 Because it's truthful, and it's right. 1847 01:24:25,928 --> 01:24:27,558 - But things are not looking good. 1848 01:24:27,563 --> 01:24:30,603 - the numbers now show that e-cigarette sales 1849 01:24:30,599 --> 01:24:31,699 Are down. 1850 01:24:31,700 --> 01:24:33,230 - Europe just passed all kinds of rules. 1851 01:24:33,235 --> 01:24:35,835 They're gonna take beneficial products off the shelves 1852 01:24:35,838 --> 01:24:38,438 And out of the lives of thousands of people 1853 01:24:38,441 --> 01:24:39,941 Who are trying to quit smoking. 1854 01:24:39,942 --> 01:24:42,612 - It will close down the market 1855 01:24:42,611 --> 01:24:44,041 For the independents. 1856 01:24:44,046 --> 01:24:48,916 It will hand a majority control to the tobacco industry 1857 01:24:48,918 --> 01:24:52,748 Who are producing devices. 1858 01:24:52,755 --> 01:24:57,255 And I think it will be a damaging thing 1859 01:24:57,259 --> 01:24:59,729 To the whole of the vaping industry. 1860 01:24:59,728 --> 01:25:02,628 I'm very disappointed in the way things are going. 1861 01:25:02,631 --> 01:25:04,771 - Here in poland we have 1862 01:25:04,767 --> 01:25:06,897 Over one million vapers. 1863 01:25:06,902 --> 01:25:10,272 And we estimate that 1864 01:25:10,272 --> 01:25:12,742 After that 1865 01:25:12,741 --> 01:25:15,141 Heavy legislation 1866 01:25:15,144 --> 01:25:18,084 It will be 500,000, 1867 01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,150 Not more 1868 01:25:19,148 --> 01:25:21,148 Or even, even less. 1869 01:25:21,150 --> 01:25:24,890 We are trying to find a way 1870 01:25:24,887 --> 01:25:26,217 To 1871 01:25:26,222 --> 01:25:28,622 Fight. 1872 01:25:28,624 --> 01:25:33,064 It's not easy because ppds already 1873 01:25:33,062 --> 01:25:36,062 A law in the european union. 1874 01:25:36,065 --> 01:25:37,825 - In the us the same thing. 1875 01:25:37,833 --> 01:25:40,403 The fda just passed all kinds of new rules 1876 01:25:40,402 --> 01:25:42,602 That will keep millions of people smoking. 1877 01:25:42,605 --> 01:25:46,105 - The fda has estimated that 90, 1878 01:25:46,108 --> 01:25:48,338 More than 98.5% 1879 01:25:48,344 --> 01:25:50,184 Of all e-cigarette products on the market 1880 01:25:50,179 --> 01:25:52,609 Will be banned by their regulation. 1881 01:25:52,615 --> 01:25:54,275 All e-liquid will be banned. 1882 01:25:54,283 --> 01:25:57,023 This is not a proposed regulation to protect children 1883 01:25:57,019 --> 01:26:01,919 As the fda has presented it falsely to the news media. 1884 01:26:01,924 --> 01:26:03,764 It's prohibition plan b. 1885 01:26:03,759 --> 01:26:05,459 - You know what the fda's gonna do, 1886 01:26:05,461 --> 01:26:06,961 You know what eu's gonna do, 1887 01:26:06,962 --> 01:26:08,262 You know what germany's gonna do, 1888 01:26:08,264 --> 01:26:09,464 You know what malaysia's gonna do, 1889 01:26:09,465 --> 01:26:10,625 You know what brazil's gonna do, 1890 01:26:10,633 --> 01:26:11,773 You know what argentina's gonna do. 1891 01:26:11,767 --> 01:26:13,997 We all know, the die is cast, 1892 01:26:14,003 --> 01:26:16,273 The cast is formed, the stage is set 1893 01:26:16,272 --> 01:26:18,112 And the script is written. 1894 01:26:18,107 --> 01:26:19,607 End of story. 1895 01:26:19,608 --> 01:26:20,768 Why? 1896 01:26:20,776 --> 01:26:25,306 Because nobody cares. 1897 01:26:25,314 --> 01:26:26,814 - A billion lives. 1898 01:26:26,815 --> 01:26:28,975 A billion lives, a billion people with names. 1899 01:26:28,984 --> 01:26:30,854 They each have a name. 1900 01:26:30,853 --> 01:26:33,953 And if you and I were in discussion with them, 1901 01:26:33,956 --> 01:26:36,786 Would it not be fair and responsible to provide 1902 01:26:36,792 --> 01:26:38,662 Them with the right information? 1903 01:26:38,661 --> 01:26:42,231 The question is, how much evidence is sufficient 1904 01:26:42,231 --> 01:26:45,701 For that one person sitting in front of you? 1905 01:26:45,701 --> 01:26:48,801 So if you the nurse, or the pharmacist, or the dentist, 1906 01:26:48,804 --> 01:26:51,004 And it's your patient, and they ask you, 1907 01:26:51,006 --> 01:26:53,666 "I'd like to use an e-cigarette, what's your view?" 1908 01:26:53,676 --> 01:26:55,576 Then you can't say, "well, 1909 01:26:55,578 --> 01:26:57,808 "we need to do more research." 1910 01:26:57,813 --> 01:26:59,813 That's just not helpful. 1911 01:26:59,815 --> 01:27:01,415 It's irresponsible. 1912 01:27:01,417 --> 01:27:03,977 - The public needs to know the truth about these products. 1913 01:27:03,986 --> 01:27:06,146 - And they need public health people telling the truth 1914 01:27:06,155 --> 01:27:07,415 About the risks. 1915 01:27:07,423 --> 01:27:09,823 At least 95% less risky than smoking. 1916 01:27:09,825 --> 01:27:12,025 - If we look at the history of public health, 1917 01:27:12,027 --> 01:27:15,027 The biggest breakthroughs are associated historically 1918 01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:17,660 With two really really simple things. 1919 01:27:17,666 --> 01:27:19,726 One, you give people enough information that they 1920 01:27:19,735 --> 01:27:21,095 Can make an informed decision about 1921 01:27:21,103 --> 01:27:22,543 What they're gonna do. 1922 01:27:22,538 --> 01:27:23,898 And two, you give them the ability to act 1923 01:27:23,906 --> 01:27:25,266 On that information. 1924 01:27:25,274 --> 01:27:26,844 - It's a crime 1925 01:27:26,842 --> 01:27:29,042 Not to tell the billion people 1926 01:27:29,044 --> 01:27:30,914 Who will lose their life 1927 01:27:30,913 --> 01:27:33,013 Because they smoke, 1928 01:27:33,015 --> 01:27:34,345 Of the alternative. 1929 01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:35,620 - we are losing. 1930 01:27:35,618 --> 01:27:38,048 We are losing fast and furious and big 1931 01:27:38,053 --> 01:27:39,123 And who's gonna lose? 1932 01:27:39,121 --> 01:27:40,951 The smokers, again. 1933 01:27:40,956 --> 01:27:43,416 Who are now trying to transition over 1934 01:27:43,425 --> 01:27:45,255 When they've been asked and begged and cried for 1935 01:27:45,261 --> 01:27:46,861 For years and years and now we have something 1936 01:27:46,862 --> 01:27:48,902 That's viable, and we're not giving it to them. 1937 01:27:48,897 --> 01:27:49,897 It's just shameful. 1938 01:27:49,898 --> 01:27:51,468 It's embarrassing. 1939 01:27:51,467 --> 01:27:53,867 This is not how people should treat other people. 1940 01:27:53,869 --> 01:27:55,869 Especially under the guise of public health 1941 01:27:55,871 --> 01:27:58,271 And compassion and love and liberty 1942 01:27:58,274 --> 01:28:00,644 And freedom and all that. 1943 01:28:00,643 --> 01:28:01,983 You know, I'm sick of it. 1944 01:28:01,977 --> 01:28:05,977 - What we have here is that the best kept secret 1945 01:28:05,981 --> 01:28:10,721 In tobacco cessation, tobacco reduction 1946 01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:14,489 Is the use of safer alternative nicotine products. 1947 01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:17,460 And that consumers are denied that right. 1948 01:28:17,459 --> 01:28:21,829 - We have this huge glaring opportunity to do something 1949 01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:26,970 That would sort of rival eradication of small pox, 1950 01:28:26,969 --> 01:28:29,669 Or dealing with cholera, sanitation 1951 01:28:29,672 --> 01:28:32,012 Is one of the biggest public health breakthroughs 1952 01:28:32,007 --> 01:28:34,007 We've ever had. 1953 01:28:34,009 --> 01:28:36,079 And it's staring us in the face. 1954 01:28:36,078 --> 01:28:39,078 And it's not conceptually difficult. 1955 01:28:39,081 --> 01:28:40,981 And we've got examples of where it's worked 1956 01:28:40,983 --> 01:28:42,783 And we look at things like swedish snus. 1957 01:28:42,785 --> 01:28:45,415 We have proof of concept that people can get 1958 01:28:45,421 --> 01:28:47,421 Their nicotine in far less hazardous ways 1959 01:28:47,423 --> 01:28:49,123 And be just fine with it. 1960 01:28:49,124 --> 01:28:52,264 Uh, and it hasn't happened yet. 1961 01:29:01,102 --> 01:29:04,102 - And I guess really what prompted me 1962 01:29:04,106 --> 01:29:06,936 To want to quit 1963 01:29:06,942 --> 01:29:10,042 Was seeing my uncle 1964 01:29:10,045 --> 01:29:12,875 Dying of lung cancer. 1965 01:29:12,881 --> 01:29:16,351 And without a shadow of a doubt 1966 01:29:16,352 --> 01:29:21,522 He was the most genuine 1967 01:29:21,523 --> 01:29:28,133 And kind-hearted person 1968 01:29:28,130 --> 01:29:32,700 I've ever known in my life. 1969 01:29:32,701 --> 01:29:34,901 - People are gonna die. 1970 01:29:34,903 --> 01:29:36,243 People are gonna get sick. 1971 01:29:36,238 --> 01:29:38,908 There are people who should have had the opportunity 1972 01:29:38,907 --> 01:29:40,667 To grow old. 1973 01:29:40,676 --> 01:29:43,506 To be part of their grandchildren's lives. 1974 01:29:43,512 --> 01:29:46,252 I knew firsthand the experience that I had had 1975 01:29:46,248 --> 01:29:48,178 And how dramatic the change in my life 1976 01:29:48,183 --> 01:29:49,423 And my health had been. 1977 01:29:49,418 --> 01:29:52,218 I'd seen dozens of friends and family members, 1978 01:29:52,221 --> 01:29:54,521 Actually hundreds, really, in the end of lives 1979 01:29:54,523 --> 01:29:56,223 That have been directly changed 1980 01:29:56,225 --> 01:29:58,425 By using these devices. 1981 01:29:58,427 --> 01:30:01,257 And the health department, like that's their name 1982 01:30:01,263 --> 01:30:04,903 The health department were banning them. 1983 01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:06,930 You can still buy cigarettes. 1984 01:30:06,935 --> 01:30:09,095 You know, buy and use any tobacco product you like 1985 01:30:09,104 --> 01:30:10,904 But you can't buy the alternative 1986 01:30:10,906 --> 01:30:13,766 That we know is significantly, I mean like 1987 01:30:13,776 --> 01:30:17,706 Over 95% safer. 1988 01:30:17,713 --> 01:30:21,753 - And really I just, I didn't want 1989 01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:25,890 My children to have to see me that way. 1990 01:30:25,888 --> 01:30:28,218 I wanted to be 1991 01:30:28,223 --> 01:30:30,723 Able to be there 1992 01:30:30,726 --> 01:30:34,186 For them more in the future 1993 01:30:34,196 --> 01:30:38,056 And extend my life 1994 01:30:38,066 --> 01:30:40,066 For them. 1995 01:30:40,068 --> 01:30:43,298 And, essentially that 1996 01:30:43,305 --> 01:30:45,035 Is what vaping has done. 1997 01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:50,040 Vaping has helped me to quit smoking cigarettes. 1998 01:30:50,045 --> 01:30:55,075 And for that, I am thankful. 1999 01:30:55,083 --> 01:30:57,423 - a billion lives are at stake. 2000 01:30:57,419 --> 01:30:59,319 The status quo is winning. 2001 01:30:59,321 --> 01:31:02,261 Smoking is strong. 2002 01:31:02,257 --> 01:31:07,157 The battle rages on even as you watch this. 2003 01:31:07,162 --> 01:31:08,632 Big business and government are working together 2004 01:31:08,630 --> 01:31:10,960 All over the world to serve the few 2005 01:31:10,966 --> 01:31:13,166 At the expense of the many. 2006 01:31:13,168 --> 01:31:15,268 We see so many examples. 2007 01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:16,900 In our food system. 2008 01:31:16,905 --> 01:31:18,335 Our medicine. 2009 01:31:18,340 --> 01:31:20,270 And now we see it in the push to preserve 2010 01:31:20,275 --> 01:31:23,235 Smoking and its cash flow. 2011 01:31:23,245 --> 01:31:27,075 To condemn a billion people to death. 2012 01:31:27,082 --> 01:31:29,252 Billions of mourning kids. 2013 01:31:29,251 --> 01:31:33,291 Billions of broken hearts. 2014 01:31:33,288 --> 01:31:35,658 We can choose a better approach. 2015 01:31:35,657 --> 01:31:38,087 We can end fear-mongering. 2016 01:31:38,093 --> 01:31:41,033 We can help our neighbors live better. 2017 01:31:41,029 --> 01:31:44,969 We can help our neighbors live longer. 2018 01:31:44,967 --> 01:31:47,627 And we must. 2019 01:31:47,636 --> 01:31:51,536 ♪ I've heard a lot of funny stories and opinions 2020 01:31:51,540 --> 01:31:58,180 ♪ now to get the whole thing straight 2021 01:31:58,180 --> 01:32:00,650 ♪ you can't keep a bunch of hypocrites 2022 01:32:00,649 --> 01:32:07,619 ♪ and myers all from showing their face 2023 01:32:07,623 --> 01:32:12,233 ♪ but the damage has been done 2024 01:32:12,227 --> 01:32:15,957 ♪ our battle's not quite won 2025 01:32:15,964 --> 01:32:19,504 ♪ so let's take it to the streets 2026 01:32:19,501 --> 01:32:23,571 ♪ and sing for the sun 2027 01:32:29,344 --> 01:32:33,754 ♪ what happened to uniting young and old 2028 01:32:33,749 --> 01:32:38,749 ♪ we're all equally sick of doing what we're told 2029 01:32:40,755 --> 01:32:46,085 ♪ grab ahold 2030 01:32:46,094 --> 01:32:50,264 ♪ and when it comes to controlling the masses 2031 01:32:50,265 --> 01:32:52,495 ♪ they've got us full of fake routines 2032 01:32:52,501 --> 01:32:57,471 ♪ with tv classes 2033 01:32:57,472 --> 01:33:02,412 ♪ 3d glasses 2034 01:33:02,411 --> 01:33:06,181 ♪ the damage has been done 2035 01:33:06,181 --> 01:33:10,251 ♪ our battle's not quite won 2036 01:33:10,252 --> 01:33:14,892 ♪ so let's take it to the streets 2037 01:33:14,890 --> 01:33:18,060 ♪ let's take it to the streets 2038 01:33:18,060 --> 01:33:22,100 ♪ and sing for the sun 2039 01:33:56,263 --> 01:33:58,803 ♪ the sun the sun 2040 01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:04,640 ♪ the sun the sun 2041 01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:06,740 ♪ the sun the sun 2042 01:34:06,742 --> 01:34:09,642 ♪ the sun the sun 2043 01:34:09,645 --> 01:34:11,845 ♪ so what are we gonna do 2044 01:34:11,847 --> 01:34:15,947 ♪ to take back our lives 2045 01:34:15,951 --> 01:34:19,951 ♪ for the first time 2046 01:34:19,955 --> 01:34:25,425 ♪ but not the last time 2047 01:34:25,427 --> 01:34:29,257 ♪ because your battle is not quite won 2048 01:34:29,264 --> 01:34:33,334 ♪ oh, let your wisdom ring loud like guns 2049 01:34:33,335 --> 01:34:37,295 ♪ you better run 2050 01:34:37,305 --> 01:34:41,265 ♪ you better run yeah 159120

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