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- this is
not fun and games.
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- a corrupt system.
- this is life and death.
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- A billion people dying from
smoking related diseases.
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- 70% of current
smokers want to quit.
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- I smoked for 40 years.
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- 50 years.
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- using the patch.
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- Nicotine patches or chews.
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- proven smokeless
cessation method.
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- Should be promoted.
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- This hasn't helped.
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- majority
of them failed.
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- That makes no sense.
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- E-cigarette.
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...E-cigarettes.
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- E-cigarettes.
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- Alternative to lighting up.
- Stopped.
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- We don't know if
that's true, or not.
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- They've been making headlines.
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- don't look for
an endorsement from the--
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- lung association,
heart association.
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- world
health organization.
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- is raising
the red flag on.
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- dangers involved.
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- We need to be careful.
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- Quit or die.
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- The potential harm is
likely to be very, very small.
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- Usage has tripled.
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- Vapes are everywhere.
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- causing blindness.
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- Promotes smoking.
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- Nicotine is in here.
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- Ignorance is a real problem.
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- Other than heroin.
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- gateway to cocaine.
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- It's the most
addictive drug there is.
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- But are they
really that awesome?
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- Every study has
to be questioned.
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- Cherry picking studies.
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- taxing them.
- Regulated.
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- Puffer control.
- Same as cigarettes.
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- Stupid fools.
- Easy to buy a cigarette.
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- They're considered cigarettes.
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- Than to buy an e-cigarette.
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- You cave in.
- Gone.
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- my whole life I've
been told that smoking is bad.
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Smoking will kill you.
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Smokers are stupid.
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I pretty much thought that
smoking was a thing of the past.
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Part of history.
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I was wrong.
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I was shocked that I found
out that a billion people
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Are projected to die early
from smoking this century.
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I was even more surprised
when I found out
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That many people were
using new ways to quit.
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But that those ways
were being banned
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In more and more countries.
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On our journey to find the truth
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We traveled around the world.
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We discovered a
common mentality.
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People that choose to
smoke, deserve to die.
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Despite research showing
modern cigarettes to be deadly
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The number of smokers around
the world continues to rise.
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Millions are dying early.
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Casualties of a war
they don't understand.
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Shoddy studies,
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Fear of the unknown,
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And passionate enthusiasm
are the weapons of choice.
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Battle lines were drawn.
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A culture war began.
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We discovered a
widespread corruption.
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To separate the
truth from the lies,
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The emotion from the facts,
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We went to the leading
doctors and scientists.
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In the end, our journey
became about more
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Than just smoking, or vaping.
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It's about freedom,
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Corruption, and the fate
of future generations.
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This is the battle
for a billion lives.
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Each year the tobacco
industry produces over
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Six trillion cigarettes.
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That's enough to create a
chain from earth to mars,
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And back, every single year.
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It is estimated that
over 1.6 billion smokers
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Will be on the planet
in the next 20 years.
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That's more than the entire
population of the earth
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Only about 100 years ago.
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To understand how we got
to this point we went
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To the andes mountains,
where it all began.
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It's hard to believe
that something so massive
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Could begin as
something so small.
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Historians tell us that
ancient incan priests
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Were the only ones in the
village who smoked tobacco.
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That they used it as
a ceremonial cleanser.
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To understand where we
are with this debate about
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Vapor technology, we need
to look at how we got here.
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And how a billion people,
now find themselves trapped.
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During the industrial
revolution tobacco use changed
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In a big way.
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Cigarettes made by
massive tobacco companies
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Became more heavily
processed, cheap, convenient,
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And a big part of pop culture.
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The rise of
cigarettes had begun.
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l.S./m.F.T. L.S./m.F.T.
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Lucky strike means fine tobacco.
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Yes, in a cigarette it's
the tobacco that counts.
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And lucky strike
means fine tobacco.
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- if we think
of the last century
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The big breakthrough
that really got us into
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The problem we were--
what we have was actually
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A technology innovation in
terms of the cigarette machine.
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That immediately allowed
us to have millions
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And billions of
cigarettes being produced.
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And sales took off.
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At the time there was not
much knowledge about the risk.
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There actually was already
some hint of this
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By 1908, 1909, while
it was taking off.
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Yale researchers were
already starting to publish
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And advocate for people
to not use tobacco
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Because of fitness
concerns and lung effects.
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By the '30s the german's
had started producing data.
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By the '50s the british
had started producing data.
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And then we all know
finally that 1962
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The royal college of
physicians report,
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Two years later,
the surgeon general report
came out
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And shock horror these
products were not just sources
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Of pleasures, people
thought they were
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They were actually
causing harm and death.
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- in the history
of the world, no non-essential
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Habit ever got so
entranced so fast.
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Seventy million americans smoke.
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Today they got a message
from the United States
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Surgeon general, who is
at a blue ribbon committee
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Studying their
habit for 14 months.
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- The committee has reached
the overall judgment
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Cigarette smoking is related
to a higher death rates
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In a number of
disease categories.
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- if we go
back to understand
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When did we first have knowledge
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That it's tar that kills
and nicotine that addicts?
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We now know that bat
and randall williams
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Knew this from the early '60s.
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You can say this
is a cynical thing,
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Why didn't they
stop at that point?
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But they were a company
with billions of dollars
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Investment and were
not gonna stop.
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- I became the winston man
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In 1981.
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I was 32-years-old.
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And I got a call from
an agent in new york
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And he wanted to know
if I would be interested
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In coming up for an
interview for an audition.
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They were doing a
casting for winston.
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So I went in, I had an audition.
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Two weeks later I get a call
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That they narrowed it down
and they wanted to see me
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Again for a call back.
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So I had to go up the
next day, unshaven,
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Because they wanted me
to have that rugged look.
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'cause r.J. Reynolds
was looking for a
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Rugged macho kind of a theme.
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They come out and say,
"you, you, and you."
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Now these are your new
winston men for 1981 and '82.
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My jaw dropped, I was floored.
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I literally was floored.
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Never ever, ever,
ever thinking about
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The outcome of what
exactly I was doing
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And would have done over
the next eight years.
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And that was being seven
and a half years as
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The winston man, in over 42 ads
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Showing smoking to
be, associated with
healthy activity.
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'cause that's all
tobacco marketing is.
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♪ yeah me and my winstons
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♪ me and my winstons
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♪ we got a real good thing
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- After practicing as a
physician I then went into
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Organized medicine and
hit it up the organization
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Which is like the
mothership of doctors.
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The world medical association.
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And at that time we
were very, very strongly
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Against tobacco.
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Strongly against
tobacco industry,
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Who we knew had lied about
the mortality/morbidity
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Linked to their product.
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And we knew that we
were up against a huge
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Marketing machine.
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- the flinstones
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Has been brought
to you by winston
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America's best selling best
tasting filtered cigarette.
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♪ winstons taste good
like a cigarette should ♪
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- did our first shoots
up in mt. Evans, colorado.
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Which was pretty
educational for me because
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You know what happens to
a three pack a day smoker
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At 12,000 feet on
top of a mountain?
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It ain't pretty.
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Especially when
you're on oxygen.
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And you're not able to smoke
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When you're on oxygen,
'cause you'll blow up.
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And I was there for a
good five, six days
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With the crew.
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They were trying to
capture the story
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Of what our theme was.
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Which was search and
rescue, storm searcher.
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We would fly in with
a helicopter, okay.
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We'd be out looking for,
whatever we're looking for.
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Repelling off the side of
the mountain, which was
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What they paid me to do.
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And then, at the end of
the day was light up time.
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Sitting on the top of the
rock, lighting a cigarette
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With your buddy, passing
the cigarette to your buddy.
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So the theme was, let's
tell a story about how
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Macho these guys are,
how they're saving lives,
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Search and rescue, and
then at the end of the day
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The camaraderie is so special
that they have to have
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A cigarette together to
celebrate their successes
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That was the most machismo
that they could come up with
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Which was now going to compete
with the number one brand
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Of selling cigarettes, which
was marlboro, at the time.
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Winston, at that time,
was only number four.
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- 50 head of
cattle headin' for home.
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Come to where the flavor is.
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Come to marlboro country.
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- Within two years winston
became the number two
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Selling brand, right
behind marlboro.
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How did that happen?
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Marketing.
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Marketing.
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Marketing.
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Spend more money,
spend more money.
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Let's keep associating
this deadly product
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With something that kids want.
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- Gee, we ought to
do somethin' fred.
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- Okay.
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How's about taking a nap?
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- I, I got a better idea.
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Let's take a winston break.
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- that's it!
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- My job was to
deliberately to seek out
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The vulnerable 13,
14, 15, 16, or 17
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Year old and entice
them into thinking
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That this is what they
too could be like.
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That's all I did.
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26 days a year I had to
work for r.J. Reynolds.
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They paid me over
$100,000 a year.
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Not to mention being on
billboards, magazines,
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Penthouse, playboy,
popular mechanics,
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Anything that would be a
male magazine considered,
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That's where my ads were.
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Because we weren't trying
to entice the girls
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To smoke winston.
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Because they had their own,
they had virginia slims,
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And eve, and satins, and capris.
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I was ballsy enough
to ask a question
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Of the r.J. Reynolds
tobacco executive,
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"how come you guys from
r.J. Reynolds don't smoke?"
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They said, "we don't smoke
the shit, we just sell it.
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"we reserve the right to
smoke for the young, the poor,
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"the black, and the stupid."
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And billions of dollars
were there to fund it.
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They're spending more
money marketing, okay,
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Than a lot of people were
spending to prevent it.
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- the u.S. Was
slowly starting to pick
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Its act up to
introduce some taxes.
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It couldn't make progress
on advertising bans
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Because first
amendment protection.
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The tobacco industry was
then trying to provide
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Research grants to
researchers to buy them off.
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Or to at least ensure that
the direction of research
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Didn't go in more
of a negative way.
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And that's when we had the
era of the large tobacco
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Finance research groups
around the world.
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- the
tobacco institute.
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A trade association
with a unique objective.
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To promote a free
and informed discussion
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Of all issues involving
america's oldest industry.
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- we had a study
done by the warton applied
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Research center at the
university of pennsylvania
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In 1979.
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- We were involved in grants
with the medical college
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Of virginia from 1930 to 1960.
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- Of course there is a
never-ending concern about
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The alleged effects of smoking
on the health of the smoker.
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- The evidence is certainly
inconclusive at this time.
284
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- There is no increase in
lung cancer mortality rates.
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- An individual would have
to sit in a crowded bar
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Or cocktail lounge
for more than 100
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Consecutive hours to
inhale the equivalent
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Of one filtered cigarette.
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- Well this study was performed
by the american cancer
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Society.
- That was proven
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With the study funded, in
part, by the massachusetts
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Lung association.
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- Which confirms some of our
own thinking on the subject.
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- I basically got into
the anti-smoking movement
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Right after I graduated
from-- got a masters degree
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In public health.
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Where I learned that cigarettes
are causing more deaths
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Than everything else combined
299
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And nobody was doing
anything about it
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And I got a job at the local
county health department
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And I was told, "oh,
you have tobacco because
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"nobody else wants the job."
303
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- back then, in the '80s
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There were 32
billion packs a year
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Sold of cigarettes in america.
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32 billion.
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- Nothing but the
best for mr. Ricardo.
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- Winston filter brand.
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- Feel the wonderful smoothness
deep down in your throat.
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♪ here's to winston
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♪ me and my winstons
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♪ turn to salem
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- Having done all
these ads that I did
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And feeling pretty
good about the money
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I wasn't listening to
the public's opinion
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About tobacco because
right about then is when
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You started getting
all the negativity.
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Even though the surgeon
general's had talked a bad--
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Talked about secondary smoke
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And cancer being the number
one cause of premature death
and disease.
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Now this is around
1987 now, '86,
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'87, '88.
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And I had been doing the
ads for almost seven years.
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Now you're getting
all the scuttlebutt.
325
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Now you're getting all
the hate, you're starting
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To see anger.
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Smoking's killing
people, we got proof now.
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- It's best if
there is no smoking
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So I can stay well.
330
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Because it hurts people
like me who have asthma
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And can cause lung cancer
even in non-smokers.
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If I could, I would tell the
president to make it the law
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That no one smoke
in public places.
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- Things in life that he, he's
gonna come in contact with
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In growing up
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That he doesn't
have control over
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Because we live
in a free society
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And we have choices to make.
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And smokers have choices,
as well as non-smokers
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To be around people who smoke.
341
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- The tobacco industry,
from the beginning,
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First tried to do what I
guess any consumer good
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Company would do,
deny the evidence.
344
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- If you had your preference
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Would you want your kids,
or your grandkids to smoke?
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Or not smoke?
347
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- I have no preference.
348
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- We have no preference.
349
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- I don't believe that
nicotine, or our products,
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Are addictive.
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- like
father, like son.
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Think about it.
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For information on
smoking and heart disease
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Ask your heart association.
355
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- there's now a
movement with the national
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Cancer institute,
cancer, lung, heart,
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Not to mention the government
and surgeon general,
358
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That says hey,
smoking's killing people
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And we got proof now,
now we got evidence
360
00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:37,031
We got tobacco files, we
got people talking about it.
361
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Now it's starting to
get a little curious.
362
00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,000
Because I'm getting the
same thing from my kids.
363
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Daddy, quit smoking, my teacher
says you're gonna croak.
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Daddy, quit smoking,
you're gonna die.
365
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Dad, you're gonna--
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What happens?
367
00:16:48,641 --> 00:16:50,511
My brother gets cancer.
368
00:16:52,846 --> 00:16:54,976
My brother, I was the youngest
of three boys in my family
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And he was my older brother,
he was only three and a half
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Years older.
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00:16:58,284 --> 00:16:59,554
And he was diagnosed
with cancer.
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And he was a smoker.
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And, for about five years I
had to watch him deteriorate.
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And I'm doing the ads.
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00:17:07,293 --> 00:17:10,733
When I did the ads, I was still
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Worrying about my brother.
377
00:17:11,798 --> 00:17:13,798
And I had this horrible
experience of driving
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00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,870
To boston, and he was in the
dana farber cancer institute.
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And I walked through the doors.
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Here we have oncologists,
doctors, nurses
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People taking care of
people who are dying,
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Literally dying,
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From what they chose to
do at 13, 14, 15, 16, 17,
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Et cetera.
385
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Now they have to pay the price.
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00:17:33,753 --> 00:17:36,053
So now I'm starting
to get a little
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Clued in here.
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Well, maybe this is bad.
389
00:17:38,191 --> 00:17:39,691
Maybe this garbage
is killing people.
390
00:17:39,692 --> 00:17:41,332
My brother's dying from it.
391
00:17:41,327 --> 00:17:43,727
I'm certainly not feeling
the way I did when I was 16
392
00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:45,060
Smoking a pack a day.
393
00:17:45,065 --> 00:17:47,065
Now I can't get up and
down stairs quite as much.
394
00:17:47,067 --> 00:17:50,167
So I'm starting to see the
logic behind all the hate.
395
00:17:50,170 --> 00:17:52,370
I started seeing smokers
being seen, not only as
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Cool, macho, tough, rugged,
beautiful, sexy, glamorous,
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Fun loving, free spirited,
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But smelly, stinky,
yellow-toothed people.
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00:17:59,746 --> 00:18:02,376
Now you're starting
to see the segue from
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00:18:02,382 --> 00:18:04,922
60% of the american
people smoking
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00:18:04,918 --> 00:18:06,718
Or chewing or
dipping or spitting,
402
00:18:06,719 --> 00:18:08,419
And now you're starting
to see the swing.
403
00:18:13,626 --> 00:18:15,856
I had to make a decision
and there was a six hour
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00:18:15,862 --> 00:18:17,062
Ride home.
405
00:18:17,063 --> 00:18:19,263
And I probably smoked
two packs of cigarettes
406
00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:20,465
On that ride home.
407
00:18:20,467 --> 00:18:21,767
'cause now I'm stressed.
408
00:18:21,768 --> 00:18:24,268
Now I'm starting to feel
pretty bad about this because
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00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:26,400
Now I gotta go face my kid.
410
00:18:26,406 --> 00:18:28,106
And I talked to my son
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And I walked in the door
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And he talked to me.
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He said, "dad, you're gonna
die like uncle bob, right?"
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Boom!
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Just like that.
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00:18:35,915 --> 00:18:37,045
That's how it hit me.
417
00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:39,380
It was like a boom.
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00:18:39,385 --> 00:18:40,585
You know
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00:18:40,587 --> 00:18:44,317
There's a good
chance that I will.
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That was my epiphany.
421
00:18:47,927 --> 00:18:50,757
So long ago
422
00:18:50,763 --> 00:18:52,803
That's how it hit me.
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00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:56,769
And, my passion for my kids,
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00:18:56,769 --> 00:19:00,909
And my wife was so grand
that I was gonna beat it.
425
00:19:00,907 --> 00:19:02,267
Okay, so I made a
decision
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00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:05,335
It was July 17th,
when I told my son,
427
00:19:05,345 --> 00:19:07,775
"I'm gonna quit.
428
00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:09,950
"I promise, I'm gonna quit."
429
00:19:09,949 --> 00:19:11,849
And, right hand up to
god, "I'm gonna quit,
430
00:19:11,851 --> 00:19:13,421
"I'm gonna quit."
431
00:19:13,419 --> 00:19:16,419
And he said, "okay dad,
you promise, right?"
432
00:19:16,422 --> 00:19:18,522
Well what you don't
tell a 10 or 11-year-old
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00:19:18,525 --> 00:19:20,085
Is something then not do it.
434
00:19:20,093 --> 00:19:22,293
'cause they will hound you,
and they will hound you,
435
00:19:22,295 --> 00:19:23,925
And they will hound you.
436
00:19:23,930 --> 00:19:26,930
Well he hounded me until
the great american smokeout
437
00:19:26,933 --> 00:19:29,103
In November of 1988.
438
00:19:29,102 --> 00:19:30,842
- You see this fan?
439
00:19:30,837 --> 00:19:33,037
Well, I use it while I'm
around cigarette smokers.
440
00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:34,809
But I may get a chance
to throw it away
441
00:19:34,807 --> 00:19:36,437
During the great
american smokeout.
442
00:19:36,442 --> 00:19:39,182
The day the american cancer
society asks every smoker
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00:19:39,179 --> 00:19:41,009
In america to quit for 24 hours.
444
00:19:41,014 --> 00:19:41,954
- I picked that day.
445
00:19:41,948 --> 00:19:43,948
I told my son I was gonna quit.
446
00:19:43,950 --> 00:19:45,320
And, I did.
447
00:19:45,318 --> 00:19:47,548
I get a call from every
philadelphia news station,
448
00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:48,994
Television station.
449
00:19:48,988 --> 00:19:51,218
I get a call from cbs this
morning with harry smith.
450
00:19:51,224 --> 00:19:53,794
I get a call from
abc, I get a call
451
00:19:53,793 --> 00:19:55,193
And they're picking
me up by limo
452
00:19:55,195 --> 00:19:56,555
They're taking me to new york.
453
00:19:56,563 --> 00:19:58,903
No one had ever quit
smoking publicly,
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00:19:58,898 --> 00:20:00,898
Especially the winston man
who's on every billboard,
455
00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:03,300
Every magazine, everywhere
for eight years now,
456
00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:04,903
Going on eight years.
457
00:20:04,904 --> 00:20:07,844
And then he's biting
the hand that feeds him.
458
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,810
My brother's dying of cancer.
459
00:20:09,809 --> 00:20:13,239
I promised my kids I wouldn't
hurt myself like my brother.
460
00:20:13,246 --> 00:20:15,006
And I've seen so many
people dying that I'm not
461
00:20:15,014 --> 00:20:16,384
Gonna do these ads anymore.
462
00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:17,722
I can't do it.
463
00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:21,747
I cannot physically, and
morally, do it anymore.
464
00:20:21,754 --> 00:20:24,924
- Image has been a great concern
for the tobacco industry.
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00:20:24,924 --> 00:20:27,834
The person we choose
this week was once
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00:20:27,827 --> 00:20:30,997
One of the industries
leading image maker.
467
00:20:30,997 --> 00:20:33,897
- The tobacco industry had
really played out to the peak
468
00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:36,170
Of what it was going to do
trying to thwart policies
469
00:20:36,169 --> 00:20:41,039
- Our long and difficult
four-year journey down
tobacco road
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00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,940
Has come to a victorious end.
471
00:20:42,942 --> 00:20:45,042
- The largest financial
recovery in the history
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00:20:45,044 --> 00:20:46,344
Of the world.
473
00:20:46,346 --> 00:20:49,006
- We've arrived at
our final destination,
474
00:20:49,015 --> 00:20:52,045
And that's the destination
of tobacco justice.
475
00:20:52,051 --> 00:20:55,591
- Close to 33,000 lawsuits
against big tobacco.
476
00:20:55,588 --> 00:20:57,258
The precedence were being set.
477
00:20:57,257 --> 00:21:00,757
So now if one person sues,
and you got the same disease
478
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,030
Then so on, and so on,
and so on, and so on.
479
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:04,929
So they sat around, and said,
"let's come up with a way."
480
00:21:04,931 --> 00:21:06,931
And they went to meetings,
they went to private meetings
481
00:21:06,933 --> 00:21:10,273
According to the tobacco
files that I've been privy to.
482
00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:11,740
And they said, "we've got
to come up with something
483
00:21:11,738 --> 00:21:13,638
"that's going to
stop these lawsuits."
484
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:14,910
Well, here's what
you're gonna have to do
485
00:21:14,907 --> 00:21:16,237
Big tobacco people.
486
00:21:16,242 --> 00:21:17,982
You're gonna have to
give us some money back
487
00:21:17,977 --> 00:21:20,277
In order for us to
convince our constituency
488
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,610
That that money, 'cause
we're sick and tired
489
00:21:22,615 --> 00:21:24,875
Of paying for
medicare, and medicaid
490
00:21:24,884 --> 00:21:27,154
Rehabilitation and prevention
491
00:21:27,153 --> 00:21:30,093
Because your product has
cost us and our state.
492
00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:31,559
Michael moore did
it, in mississippi.
493
00:21:31,557 --> 00:21:33,657
Michael moore took
on big tobacco, said,
494
00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:35,160
"I'm gonna sue your asses."
495
00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:36,461
He's the only one that did it.
496
00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:39,962
He sued, and won
12 billion dollars.
497
00:21:39,966 --> 00:21:41,496
So then it became
even more important
498
00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:43,971
That they justify this
money being spent.
499
00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:45,900
Even if it was for
a year, or two.
500
00:21:45,905 --> 00:21:47,935
They've never said they
were gonna use it forever
501
00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:49,970
In the 25 years that
they're gonna get it.
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00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:51,836
Florida said, oh my.
503
00:21:51,844 --> 00:21:52,944
I'd like some of that.
504
00:21:52,945 --> 00:21:54,305
We have the same problem.
505
00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:55,114
We're suing too.
506
00:21:55,114 --> 00:21:56,414
They've got 11 billion.
507
00:21:56,416 --> 00:21:57,946
Texas did it, they
got 13 billion
508
00:21:57,950 --> 00:22:00,120
'cause it was all
based on per capita
509
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,989
And pro-rated a
number of citizens.
510
00:22:01,988 --> 00:22:03,018
Minnesota did it.
511
00:22:03,022 --> 00:22:06,662
Four states got
46 billion dollars
512
00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:09,529
In a matter of a week.
513
00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:11,159
46 billion.
514
00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:14,304
Well, every other state wanted
to touch-- a piece of that.
515
00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:16,270
We want some of that.
516
00:22:16,269 --> 00:22:18,169
We, we're paying medicare too.
517
00:22:18,171 --> 00:22:20,101
So let's come up with a number
that everybody can live with.
518
00:22:20,106 --> 00:22:23,266
They came up with 200 billion.
519
00:22:23,276 --> 00:22:27,136
Plus the 46 that went
previously to those four states.
520
00:22:27,146 --> 00:22:31,346
And they gave attorney
generals 72 hours
521
00:22:31,351 --> 00:22:32,851
To sign on.
522
00:22:32,852 --> 00:22:34,552
And the only way they
would get any money
523
00:22:34,554 --> 00:22:37,524
If they signed on without even
knowing what was going on.
524
00:22:37,523 --> 00:22:40,363
And you'll get your money
over the next 25 years.
525
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:42,990
Every state did it, okay.
526
00:22:42,995 --> 00:22:45,855
But, in that decision
in 72 hours they had to
527
00:22:45,865 --> 00:22:48,865
Sign off that they would not
let anybody in their state
528
00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:50,838
Sue big tobacco.
529
00:22:50,837 --> 00:22:55,467
That was in 1999, and the
msa became the first bailout.
530
00:22:55,475 --> 00:22:57,135
Yeah, we need it for the kids.
531
00:22:57,143 --> 00:22:58,013
We need it for the children.
532
00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:59,210
We need it for prevention.
533
00:22:59,212 --> 00:23:00,012
Education.
534
00:23:00,012 --> 00:23:01,082
Intervention.
535
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:01,850
Cessation.
536
00:23:01,848 --> 00:23:03,178
We need all the ta ta.
537
00:23:03,182 --> 00:23:04,982
- Like you, the nation's
attorney's general have been
538
00:23:04,984 --> 00:23:07,154
Fighting to help reverse
the staggering toll
539
00:23:07,153 --> 00:23:10,153
Tobacco takes on our society.
540
00:23:10,156 --> 00:23:14,186
And to protect our children
from a lifetime of addiction.
541
00:23:14,193 --> 00:23:16,933
- This plan, in short,
will get big tobacco
542
00:23:16,929 --> 00:23:19,199
Off the backs of our kids.
543
00:23:27,038 --> 00:23:28,538
- They got the money.
544
00:23:28,541 --> 00:23:30,111
They signed on.
545
00:23:30,109 --> 00:23:32,509
And then within two years
that money's
gone.
546
00:23:32,512 --> 00:23:34,482
They either put it in bonds,
where they can't pay it back.
547
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,750
They used it for road repair,
waterfront restoration.
548
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:40,950
They used it for health
department's new computers,
549
00:23:40,953 --> 00:23:43,823
The states are not using
the money that they said
550
00:23:43,823 --> 00:23:45,063
They needed, and the
tobacco companies are now
551
00:23:45,057 --> 00:23:47,117
Giving all this
money to the states.
552
00:23:47,126 --> 00:23:50,256
And then nobody knew that
within 48 hours after they
553
00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:52,233
Gave up 246 billion dollars
554
00:23:52,231 --> 00:23:54,101
They raised the price
of cigarettes 48 cents
555
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:57,200
Across the board,
to make up the 246.
556
00:23:57,203 --> 00:23:59,243
Nobody cares about it,
nobody wants to talk about it
557
00:23:59,238 --> 00:24:01,038
Because it's not
scandalous enough.
558
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,110
- The tobacco industry
has conceded defeat.
559
00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:08,050
And we have a settlement
of historic proportions.
560
00:24:19,324 --> 00:24:20,624
- What did new jersey do?
561
00:24:20,626 --> 00:24:22,786
They sold all their
money in a bond.
562
00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:24,755
Now it's due to be paid back
563
00:24:24,764 --> 00:24:27,434
And new jersey doesn't have
the money to pay it back.
564
00:24:27,433 --> 00:24:29,403
There's eight states
that had done that.
565
00:24:29,402 --> 00:24:31,642
The other states wasted
the money on everything
566
00:24:31,637 --> 00:24:34,437
But prevention,
education, cessation.
567
00:24:46,351 --> 00:24:48,691
So there is more corruption,
there's more government
568
00:24:48,688 --> 00:24:51,418
Intervention for
keeping tobacco alive
569
00:24:51,424 --> 00:24:54,164
And keeping the big
tobacco monopolies
570
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,090
Raising half a trillion
dollars a year.
571
00:24:56,095 --> 00:24:58,255
Half a trillion, if not more.
572
00:24:58,264 --> 00:25:00,034
That's what they admit to.
573
00:25:10,142 --> 00:25:12,112
- by the time
of the minnesota court case
574
00:25:12,111 --> 00:25:15,551
In 1998, the state of
minnesota didn't only seek
575
00:25:15,548 --> 00:25:17,678
Redress in financial terms,
576
00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:20,123
But required that
the tobacco industry
577
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,519
Place all of their
previously secret documents
578
00:25:22,522 --> 00:25:24,152
In the public domain.
579
00:25:24,156 --> 00:25:26,356
And from then on, we knew
the road map of the industry
580
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,789
And what it had
been since the '60s.
581
00:25:28,794 --> 00:25:31,734
So it was only in retrospect
that we actually understood
582
00:25:31,731 --> 00:25:34,571
Just how deep and pervasive
the influence had been
583
00:25:34,567 --> 00:25:36,727
At the government level,
at the research level,
584
00:25:36,736 --> 00:25:41,706
And at the individual
ministry area level.
585
00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:45,237
As tobacco rates start
falling to maybe 20%
586
00:25:45,244 --> 00:25:48,654
Or below 20%, you're getting
into a hardcore group
587
00:25:48,648 --> 00:25:51,978
Of smokers who are not
smoking out of pure trice
588
00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:54,024
But they're smoking
because they are addicted
589
00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:59,020
And they have a physical need
for nicotine in their lives.
590
00:25:59,025 --> 00:26:01,825
- I started smoking
cigarettes at 12.
591
00:26:01,827 --> 00:26:05,257
And, really if I think
about it, my daughter's
592
00:26:05,264 --> 00:26:08,104
Not too far from 12.
593
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,740
And thinking of her
smoking a cigarette is
594
00:26:11,737 --> 00:26:15,037
Really just sickening.
595
00:26:15,041 --> 00:26:17,211
The first time I ever smoked
a cigarette a few of my
596
00:26:17,209 --> 00:26:19,539
Friends had come over
to spend the night.
597
00:26:19,545 --> 00:26:21,905
And one of the older
ones had brought a pack
598
00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:25,254
Of cigarettes from
her dad's carton.
599
00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:29,251
We proceeded to go to the
tree house across the street
600
00:26:29,255 --> 00:26:35,855
And we smoked the entire
pack of cigarettes.
601
00:26:35,861 --> 00:26:38,801
I remember it made me sick.
602
00:26:38,798 --> 00:26:42,768
It made me dizzy,
but more importantly
603
00:26:42,768 --> 00:26:45,398
I remember from
that moment forward
604
00:26:45,404 --> 00:26:49,044
Wanting to smoke cigarettes.
605
00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:52,741
So, at 12, I mean you
can't really go out
606
00:26:52,745 --> 00:26:55,275
And buy a pack of smokes.
607
00:26:55,281 --> 00:26:58,421
So I would basically
do what I could.
608
00:26:58,417 --> 00:27:01,247
I would take the
609
00:27:01,253 --> 00:27:03,393
Burning cigarettes
from the ash tray
610
00:27:03,389 --> 00:27:05,289
When my mother wasn't looking.
611
00:27:05,291 --> 00:27:08,391
Or, take cigarettes
612
00:27:08,394 --> 00:27:10,294
Out of her pack.
613
00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:14,396
Or, even worse, I
would take the butts
614
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,440
Out of the ash tray, which
is really disgusting.
615
00:27:20,673 --> 00:27:21,943
- It was not easy.
616
00:27:21,941 --> 00:27:24,941
I probably quit seven,
eight, nine times.
617
00:27:24,944 --> 00:27:26,844
And I come back hating myself.
618
00:27:26,846 --> 00:27:29,746
My son looked at me, and
he looked so disappointed.
619
00:27:29,749 --> 00:27:30,979
He knew I was smoking.
620
00:27:30,983 --> 00:27:32,783
He knew that I had
just failed miserably.
621
00:27:32,785 --> 00:27:34,615
But when the mindset
says I need to quit,
622
00:27:34,620 --> 00:27:37,190
I want to quit, I have to
quit, I'm going to quit.
623
00:27:37,189 --> 00:27:39,089
And then you try and you
fail, you try and you fail,
624
00:27:39,091 --> 00:27:40,621
You try and you fail,
you try and you fail.
625
00:27:40,626 --> 00:27:42,926
After awhile you say,
screw it, I'm done.
626
00:27:42,928 --> 00:27:44,598
I'll go to my grave smoking.
627
00:27:44,597 --> 00:27:47,327
- And those are the
people that are facing
628
00:27:47,333 --> 00:27:49,003
Almost all the risks.
629
00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:50,371
Those are the people that
are gonna account for
630
00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:52,539
99% of the lung cancers,
631
00:27:52,538 --> 00:27:54,468
Chronic obstructive
pulmonary diseases
632
00:27:54,473 --> 00:27:56,973
And heart diseases
caused by smoking.
633
00:27:56,976 --> 00:27:58,776
- We always need a disruption
634
00:27:58,778 --> 00:28:01,678
To actually shift the market
and the market forces.
635
00:28:01,681 --> 00:28:04,351
And I believe that hon
lik's work as the inventor
636
00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,820
Of an e-cigarette
really represents
637
00:28:06,819 --> 00:28:09,849
This disruptive change.
638
00:30:13,945 --> 00:30:16,245
- Just a brilliant,
brilliant, brilliant
639
00:30:16,248 --> 00:30:18,918
Moment in time which lots
of things came together
640
00:30:18,918 --> 00:30:22,618
And hon lik took it and
actually made it a reality.
641
00:30:45,376 --> 00:30:48,606
- Hon lik came up with
this brilliant invention
642
00:30:48,614 --> 00:30:51,554
And that's the mark of
a true innovator, okay.
643
00:30:51,550 --> 00:30:55,190
Somebody that can paradigmly
can shift things into
644
00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:58,217
A whole new way of doing things.
645
00:31:14,806 --> 00:31:18,276
- it was in 2005.
Originally, I wasn't that excited
646
00:31:18,277 --> 00:31:20,637
When I saw just the
manual reading about it
647
00:31:20,646 --> 00:31:22,206
Because I'm not a smoker.
648
00:31:22,214 --> 00:31:24,354
When I actually saw the product
649
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:25,980
With the vapor coming out
650
00:31:25,985 --> 00:31:27,985
I knew there was
something there.
651
00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:29,547
So then we worked on
it for about a year.
652
00:31:29,555 --> 00:31:31,885
And so I officially
formed siterra
653
00:31:31,891 --> 00:31:34,991
In September of 2006
and we launched it.
654
00:31:34,994 --> 00:31:37,694
Really our big breakthrough
was the ces show
655
00:31:37,696 --> 00:31:39,356
January of 2008.
656
00:31:39,365 --> 00:31:41,725
- I'm here at ces
657
00:31:41,734 --> 00:31:44,904
And, I'm mostly interested
in gadgets and things.
658
00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:47,444
But, this caught my eye.
659
00:31:47,439 --> 00:31:50,669
This guy is here, and he
is not smoking next to me.
660
00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:52,536
Because there is no
smoking on the show floor
661
00:31:52,544 --> 00:31:53,544
But he's not smoking.
662
00:31:53,545 --> 00:31:55,505
What is, what
exactly is in njoy?
663
00:31:55,514 --> 00:31:57,684
- Njoy is an
electronic cigarette.
664
00:31:57,683 --> 00:32:01,423
And the way that we do
this, is we take a battery.
665
00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:04,550
From the battery we have a
patented vaporization system.
666
00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:06,756
So what you're seeing
coming from the device
667
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:07,859
Is not smoke.
668
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:09,460
It's vapor.
669
00:32:09,461 --> 00:32:13,461
- it became the hit of
the show and became written up
670
00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:16,625
In a bunch of magazines,
and even online.
671
00:32:16,635 --> 00:32:18,965
- it's a huge memory
void as to where I got
672
00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:20,701
My first e-cigarette.
673
00:32:20,706 --> 00:32:23,206
All I know is that I had in 2007
674
00:32:23,208 --> 00:32:24,468
Two or three e-cigs.
675
00:32:24,476 --> 00:32:26,406
One from china, one
from america, one from
676
00:32:26,412 --> 00:32:28,552
Somewhere in europe.
677
00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:31,077
And I'm playing with them,
that's all I remember.
678
00:32:31,083 --> 00:32:34,623
And they're wonderful things,
like absolutely amazing.
679
00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:36,250
But they're also really bad.
680
00:32:36,255 --> 00:32:39,785
I mean, they are, what they
are are a proof of concept.
681
00:32:39,792 --> 00:32:43,562
And I'm struck by
the potential here.
682
00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:45,932
Thinking, oh my god,
this will be the product
683
00:32:45,931 --> 00:32:48,931
That can transform
smokers lives.
684
00:32:48,934 --> 00:32:52,674
But, this ain't gonna do it.
685
00:32:52,671 --> 00:32:54,741
And then I thought, well, my
god there must be other people
686
00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:56,570
Saying the same
thing as me, thinking
687
00:32:56,575 --> 00:33:00,235
Close, very, very close.
688
00:33:00,245 --> 00:33:02,105
And so, you know,
where do you go?
689
00:33:02,114 --> 00:33:03,584
You look on the web.
690
00:33:03,582 --> 00:33:05,522
And, nothing.
Nothing.
691
00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:08,587
A few dodgy commercials,
if you kind of, you know
692
00:33:08,587 --> 00:33:12,317
I-stock photo images of people.
693
00:33:12,324 --> 00:33:14,294
I thought, god, we
need a conversation.
694
00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:15,863
We need to start a conversation.
695
00:33:15,861 --> 00:33:18,801
And what a better way
to do that than the most
696
00:33:18,797 --> 00:33:21,627
Antiquated form of
internet communications,
697
00:33:21,633 --> 00:33:24,033
A forum, that's what
we need, a forum.
698
00:33:24,036 --> 00:33:28,836
So I set it up one night
in, I think, December 2007.
699
00:33:28,841 --> 00:33:30,641
And,
700
00:33:30,642 --> 00:33:32,812
Not much happened.
701
00:33:32,811 --> 00:33:34,981
So, I went up, as you do
702
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:36,780
Around the internet,
and said hey guys
703
00:33:36,782 --> 00:33:38,622
If you want to talk about
it come to my website.
704
00:33:38,617 --> 00:33:39,877
And people came.
705
00:33:39,885 --> 00:33:40,675
And we started a
conversation about
706
00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:41,946
What are these products?
707
00:33:41,954 --> 00:33:42,854
Where do they come
from, who sells them,
708
00:33:42,855 --> 00:33:45,155
How much do they cost?
709
00:33:45,157 --> 00:33:46,717
But principally
710
00:33:46,725 --> 00:33:47,955
These things got to get better.
711
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,160
How are they gonna get better?
You know? What's the--
712
00:33:50,162 --> 00:33:51,962
And we got very anal about it.
713
00:33:51,964 --> 00:33:53,634
So we were taking photographs of
714
00:33:53,632 --> 00:33:55,202
Tiny little pieces of metal
715
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,970
And connections and screws,
and things like this.
716
00:33:58,971 --> 00:34:02,171
- I think that I
had seen a news story on
717
00:34:02,174 --> 00:34:04,884
Cnn, or something, about
this new gadget called
718
00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:06,837
An electronic cigarette.
719
00:34:06,845 --> 00:34:08,345
And I was a heavy smoker.
720
00:34:08,347 --> 00:34:11,147
So, you know, I had
a love of electronics
721
00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:12,980
And gadgets, and I smoked
722
00:34:12,985 --> 00:34:14,745
About two and a
half packs a day.
723
00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:16,653
So I thought, well,
whatever this thing is
724
00:34:16,655 --> 00:34:17,845
It must be for me.
725
00:34:17,856 --> 00:34:20,756
So, I went online and
726
00:34:20,759 --> 00:34:22,059
I found one
727
00:34:22,061 --> 00:34:24,361
And back in those
days, you know, 2007,
728
00:34:24,363 --> 00:34:26,063
All you could buy was these big
729
00:34:26,065 --> 00:34:28,725
Bulky pen style e-cigs.
730
00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:30,674
And I bought one, not
thinking much about it.
731
00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:32,599
And it showed up one day
732
00:34:32,604 --> 00:34:34,374
And I put it together
733
00:34:34,373 --> 00:34:37,843
And, not really thinking
it would be too impressive
734
00:34:37,843 --> 00:34:39,943
But I took a drag,
and I was stunned
735
00:34:39,945 --> 00:34:41,775
I was absolutely stunned.
736
00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:45,080
It was, I couldn't believe at
737
00:34:45,084 --> 00:34:48,394
How closely it mimicked
the sensation of smoking.
738
00:34:48,387 --> 00:34:52,087
And I remember later that
day, four hours had gone by
739
00:34:52,091 --> 00:34:54,091
And it occurred to me
that I had forgotten
740
00:34:54,093 --> 00:34:55,193
To have a cigarette.
741
00:34:55,194 --> 00:34:56,864
I was just amazed by this
742
00:34:56,862 --> 00:34:59,802
Way more than I
thought I would be.
743
00:34:59,798 --> 00:35:01,698
But there was one thing
I was not amazed by
744
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,070
And that was by the taste.
745
00:35:03,068 --> 00:35:04,868
It tasted awful.
746
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:06,700
You really didn't know,
in those days, you didn't
747
00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:08,865
Know where the liquid
was coming from.
748
00:35:08,874 --> 00:35:10,274
You didn't know how
it was being made.
749
00:35:10,275 --> 00:35:11,905
You didn't know what was in it.
750
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:13,880
In those days, you
might be lucky if
751
00:35:13,879 --> 00:35:16,149
You'd get a little
plastic bottle
752
00:35:16,148 --> 00:35:18,778
With some liquid
in it that said,
753
00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:20,724
"vanilla" or whatever.
754
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:21,989
And that was it.
755
00:35:21,987 --> 00:35:24,417
There were no companies
in the United States.
756
00:35:24,423 --> 00:35:26,823
Everything was being made
overseas at the time.
757
00:35:26,825 --> 00:35:28,725
And I was really
surprised by that.
758
00:35:28,727 --> 00:35:31,387
So, at that point, it
wasn't about starting
759
00:35:31,396 --> 00:35:32,926
A company for me.
760
00:35:32,931 --> 00:35:36,801
It was about creating a
liquid that I wanted to vape.
761
00:35:36,802 --> 00:35:38,172
That's all it was.
762
00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:41,610
So, I started just
763
00:35:41,607 --> 00:35:45,737
Trial and error, a lot
of trial and error.
764
00:35:45,744 --> 00:35:47,744
I went out and bought
all the tobacco I could.
765
00:35:47,746 --> 00:35:51,516
I bought cigarette tobacco,
pipe tobacco, cigar tobacco.
766
00:35:51,517 --> 00:35:54,847
And just created this
giant tobacco mixture.
767
00:35:54,853 --> 00:35:57,853
And what I decided to do was
768
00:35:57,856 --> 00:36:00,286
I went and got five coffeemakers
769
00:36:00,292 --> 00:36:03,532
And I lined them up
on my kitchen counter.
770
00:36:03,529 --> 00:36:06,759
And, I brewed,
essentially tobacco water.
771
00:36:06,765 --> 00:36:09,325
And I would use that
water as the water to
772
00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:10,834
Filter it all over again.
773
00:36:10,836 --> 00:36:14,166
By the time I was done,
I had a essentially
774
00:36:14,173 --> 00:36:16,773
A highly concentrated
tobacco reduction.
775
00:36:16,775 --> 00:36:20,805
And this, this was
the primary flavoring.
776
00:36:20,812 --> 00:36:23,682
I went onto the ecf
777
00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:27,182
And I asked if
anyone wanted to try
778
00:36:27,186 --> 00:36:30,516
My new smoke juice, that
I was calling it by then.
779
00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:33,122
And, you know, if you want
a free sample, let me know
780
00:36:33,125 --> 00:36:34,785
And I'll send it to you.
781
00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:38,663
And kind of figured maybe,
12, 13 people would reply.
782
00:36:38,664 --> 00:36:40,904
And I had over 300 replies.
783
00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:42,169
And it took about two weeks
784
00:36:42,167 --> 00:36:43,997
And I got every
single request out.
785
00:36:44,002 --> 00:36:45,902
And then the waiting began.
786
00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:48,714
And it was the longest
week of my life.
787
00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:52,877
And so I'll never forget
about six days later
788
00:36:52,878 --> 00:36:53,878
I got an email
789
00:36:53,879 --> 00:36:56,749
From someone who I
knew was sampling it.
790
00:36:56,748 --> 00:37:00,348
And, and I remember
I had to pull over
791
00:37:00,352 --> 00:37:02,352
Before reading the email
because I figured, okay,
792
00:37:02,354 --> 00:37:04,824
Well it's all gonna
come down to this.
793
00:37:04,823 --> 00:37:07,893
Either they hate it,
or they love it.
794
00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:11,033
And, so I pulled over
795
00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:14,759
I looked at the
email and it said,
796
00:37:14,766 --> 00:37:16,566
You have to tell me
how I can buy this.
797
00:37:16,568 --> 00:37:18,998
And, I thought, okay well
798
00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:20,844
Maybe we have something then.
799
00:37:20,839 --> 00:37:23,939
- it was around
2010 and I saw a friend.
800
00:37:23,942 --> 00:37:26,882
He had a ciga, like,
801
00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:29,508
You know, e-cig.
802
00:37:29,514 --> 00:37:32,184
I asked him about it and
thought, oh that's cool.
803
00:37:32,184 --> 00:37:34,424
A few months later
I did some research
804
00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:38,049
And I got online and I found
there was a company in the uk
805
00:37:38,056 --> 00:37:41,356
That was selling better devices
than what my friend had had
806
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,190
And I bought one.
807
00:37:43,195 --> 00:37:46,295
And the day that e-cig arrived
808
00:37:46,298 --> 00:37:50,068
Was it was a life changer.
809
00:37:50,068 --> 00:37:52,738
Literally, as soon
as I started using it
810
00:37:52,738 --> 00:37:55,068
I never had another cigarette.
811
00:37:55,073 --> 00:37:56,943
I lost it one night when
I was out with friends.
812
00:37:56,942 --> 00:38:00,242
And in the morning, I couldn't
find it, and it was gone.
813
00:38:00,245 --> 00:38:02,375
And they're all quite
expensive back then and
814
00:38:02,381 --> 00:38:04,881
You had to order
them from overseas
815
00:38:04,883 --> 00:38:06,923
And I couldn't afford to
replace it immediately
816
00:38:06,918 --> 00:38:09,488
And I couldn't have
even if I wanted to,
there were no shops.
817
00:38:09,488 --> 00:38:11,988
There was nowhere to buy them
in australia at the time.
818
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:13,490
So I went back to smokes.
819
00:38:13,492 --> 00:38:16,092
My sister died at
820
00:38:16,094 --> 00:38:17,564
34 years old.
821
00:38:17,562 --> 00:38:20,062
From non-hodgkin's lymphoma
822
00:38:20,065 --> 00:38:21,895
In her lungs.
823
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:24,570
And, there's no question
that it was the smoking
824
00:38:24,569 --> 00:38:26,099
That did it to her.
825
00:38:26,104 --> 00:38:28,644
And, I've been trying
to quit for years
826
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,410
And this had been the
thing, the game changer,
827
00:38:30,409 --> 00:38:31,909
That changed everything for me.
828
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:34,980
Not being able to buy it
locally just seemed insane.
829
00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:38,280
So I started a business
and it was great.
830
00:38:38,283 --> 00:38:40,523
It was almost word of mouth
at the beginning it was
831
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:42,319
Just an online store.
832
00:38:42,321 --> 00:38:44,591
But it started to
get some traction
833
00:38:44,589 --> 00:38:47,559
- The hobbyist side of
things that you see today
834
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:49,489
Really started
very, very early on
835
00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:51,664
With this kind of real obsession
836
00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:53,963
With precisely what
these devices are.
837
00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:57,125
And what made two
devices different.
838
00:38:57,135 --> 00:39:01,035
And that's really
how it all started.
839
00:39:10,948 --> 00:39:13,648
- As we've seen in so many
other areas of technology,
840
00:39:13,652 --> 00:39:16,152
Suddenly the cozy way
in which public policy
841
00:39:16,154 --> 00:39:19,964
Has driven tobacco was
challenged by something new.
842
00:39:27,298 --> 00:39:30,728
- I don't think that people
either on the public health side
843
00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:35,166
Or the tobacco side, expected
how consumers would respond.
844
00:39:35,173 --> 00:39:37,173
'cause it seems that the
formulation of the early
845
00:39:37,175 --> 00:39:40,875
E-cigarettes met a need of
a smoker to have what they
846
00:39:40,879 --> 00:39:43,979
Really what many of them
wanted, 70, 80% want.
847
00:39:43,982 --> 00:39:47,682
To get nicotine's
pleasures without getting
the damaging effects.
848
00:39:47,686 --> 00:39:49,586
- have we
got a solution for you.
849
00:39:49,588 --> 00:39:53,988
The all-exclusive smoking
everywhere electronic cigarette.
850
00:39:53,992 --> 00:39:56,562
Are you ready for a change?
851
00:39:56,561 --> 00:40:00,161
- In 2009 and 2010,
us customs agents
852
00:40:00,165 --> 00:40:02,825
Seized almost 1,000
shipments of e-cigarettes
853
00:40:02,834 --> 00:40:04,004
At us ports.
854
00:40:13,043 --> 00:40:15,353
- they made a
determination that it was
855
00:40:15,347 --> 00:40:17,947
A drug delivery device.
856
00:40:17,949 --> 00:40:21,019
That since it was
battery operated
857
00:40:21,019 --> 00:40:22,089
That it was a device.
858
00:40:22,087 --> 00:40:25,117
And therefore under
their fda drug delivery
859
00:40:25,123 --> 00:40:26,523
There wasn't fda approval
for it,
860
00:40:26,525 --> 00:40:28,855
That they could
seize the product.
861
00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:30,630
And they seized, I
think probably about
862
00:40:30,629 --> 00:40:32,359
Half a million dollars
worth of product.
863
00:40:32,364 --> 00:40:34,864
And the product, when they
got it back, was worthless.
864
00:40:34,866 --> 00:40:38,026
- Two e-cigarette companies,
smoking everywhere and njoy,
sued the fda
865
00:40:38,036 --> 00:40:39,296
In 2009.
866
00:40:39,304 --> 00:40:41,604
- We were reasonably
pessimistic at the time
867
00:40:41,606 --> 00:40:44,136
And of course, we had
nowhere near the numbers
868
00:40:44,142 --> 00:40:45,612
Of people using the products.
869
00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:46,710
- This was an industry
that needed all the
870
00:40:46,711 --> 00:40:47,881
Help it could get.
871
00:40:47,879 --> 00:40:50,249
- one of our moderators
was actually day to day
872
00:40:50,248 --> 00:40:52,078
Checking the court documents
873
00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:53,923
And finding out whether
there had been an update.
874
00:40:53,919 --> 00:40:55,489
We were on tenterhooks.
875
00:40:55,487 --> 00:40:58,587
I mean, I talk about the ecf
would only last two years,
876
00:40:58,590 --> 00:41:00,420
But right then, we were
thinking everything was
877
00:41:00,425 --> 00:41:01,655
Gonna just disappear.
878
00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:04,560
There was absolutely
no certainty whatsoever
879
00:41:04,563 --> 00:41:06,563
That the judgment
was gonna come back
880
00:41:06,565 --> 00:41:09,065
Against what the fda
was doing at the time.
881
00:41:09,067 --> 00:41:11,897
- There as definitely
a prevailing sense that
882
00:41:11,903 --> 00:41:15,273
If the ruling came down
in favor of the fda
883
00:41:15,273 --> 00:41:17,913
It likely would have meant
the end of the industry
884
00:41:17,909 --> 00:41:20,609
Before it really had had a
chance to get off the ground.
885
00:41:20,612 --> 00:41:23,912
- I filed an amicus brief
with the dc court of appeals
886
00:41:23,915 --> 00:41:27,115
In 2010 in support
of their case.
887
00:41:27,118 --> 00:41:29,318
And we won.
888
00:41:29,321 --> 00:41:31,421
- the us district court
for the district of columbia
889
00:41:31,423 --> 00:41:33,693
Has issued a decision
granting leading global
890
00:41:33,692 --> 00:41:36,992
Electronic cigarette
brand njoy's motion
891
00:41:36,995 --> 00:41:39,355
For preliminary injunction
seeking to prevent
892
00:41:39,364 --> 00:41:42,604
The fda from detaining,
or refusing admission
893
00:41:42,601 --> 00:41:45,771
Into the us of its electronic
cigarette products.
894
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:49,310
- We had the hearing
in September of 2010.
895
00:41:49,307 --> 00:41:52,107
And actually on pearl harbor
day, December 7th, voted
896
00:41:52,110 --> 00:41:53,440
Three-nothing in our favor.
897
00:41:53,445 --> 00:41:55,175
The fda tried to appeal again.
898
00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:56,780
They turned them down.
899
00:41:56,781 --> 00:41:58,451
They announced they
weren't gonna appeal
900
00:41:58,450 --> 00:42:00,020
To the supreme court.
901
00:42:00,018 --> 00:42:01,818
- There's a lot of
celebrating going on.
902
00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:03,490
- Njoy's a hero
in this industry.
903
00:42:03,488 --> 00:42:06,458
For having carried that
case to its final conclusion
904
00:42:06,458 --> 00:42:07,788
They really are.
905
00:42:07,792 --> 00:42:10,332
Because without that, I
don't think anybody else
906
00:42:10,328 --> 00:42:11,958
Could have stepped
up to the plate.
907
00:42:11,963 --> 00:42:14,133
- I remember thinking that
908
00:42:14,132 --> 00:42:16,502
This is the start
of the industry.
909
00:42:16,501 --> 00:42:18,071
- there's a new
warning this morning that
910
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:21,069
E-cigarettes may not be
as safe as they seem.
911
00:42:21,072 --> 00:42:23,242
The new England journal of
medicine says e-cigarette
912
00:42:23,241 --> 00:42:26,641
Users are five to
15 times more likely
913
00:42:26,645 --> 00:42:29,245
To get formaldehyde
related cancers
914
00:42:29,247 --> 00:42:30,847
Than long-term smokers.
915
00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:34,719
Formaldehyde is the toxic
chemical found in the devices.
916
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,149
- This is the part in
our journey where people
917
00:42:36,154 --> 00:42:39,324
Are actually using these
devices reached out to us.
918
00:42:39,324 --> 00:42:41,524
They felt like it had
to save their lives
919
00:42:41,526 --> 00:42:43,186
Yet it was under attack.
920
00:42:43,194 --> 00:42:44,834
At first, we were skeptical.
921
00:42:44,829 --> 00:42:46,499
Just like everyone else,
we'd seen the headlines
922
00:42:46,498 --> 00:42:48,358
That vaping might be more
dangerous than smoking
923
00:42:48,366 --> 00:42:49,596
Cigarettes.
924
00:42:49,601 --> 00:42:51,271
- This is a dangerous product.
925
00:42:51,269 --> 00:42:54,369
- It is a poisonous
product of nicotine.
926
00:42:54,372 --> 00:42:56,572
- New studies show that
e-cigarettes are more deadly
927
00:42:56,575 --> 00:42:58,105
Than regular cigarettes?
928
00:42:58,109 --> 00:42:59,779
- These really
have me concerned.
929
00:42:59,778 --> 00:43:03,248
- These products are
exposing you to a variety
930
00:43:03,248 --> 00:43:04,548
Of toxic chemicals.
931
00:43:04,549 --> 00:43:06,249
- Understanding that
over a billion people
932
00:43:06,251 --> 00:43:08,221
Are gonna die this
century from smoking
933
00:43:08,219 --> 00:43:10,219
We knew we had to
find the truth.
934
00:43:10,221 --> 00:43:12,391
Because I'm not a
smoker, or a vaper,
935
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:14,260
We packed our bags and
headed around the world
936
00:43:14,259 --> 00:43:17,189
To meet with leading
scientists and health experts
937
00:43:17,195 --> 00:43:19,595
To find out what
was really going on.
938
00:43:22,533 --> 00:43:24,803
- I think the first thing
the world needs to know
939
00:43:24,803 --> 00:43:28,073
About vaping is
that all of the harm
940
00:43:28,073 --> 00:43:30,573
And the billion lives
that we're talking about
941
00:43:30,575 --> 00:43:33,435
And in tobacco use,
comes from smoking,
942
00:43:33,445 --> 00:43:35,305
Comes from setting fire to it
943
00:43:35,313 --> 00:43:36,553
And inhaling the smoke.
944
00:43:36,548 --> 00:43:40,318
So it's the toxic
particles, the toxic gases.
945
00:43:40,318 --> 00:43:42,248
That's what's doing the damage.
946
00:43:42,253 --> 00:43:45,323
- The real problem is if
you set tobacco a light
947
00:43:45,323 --> 00:43:47,263
And you inhale it,
948
00:43:47,258 --> 00:43:49,128
It's bad for you.
949
00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:51,827
If you put a piece
of beef in the oven
950
00:43:51,830 --> 00:43:53,430
And you overcook it
951
00:43:53,431 --> 00:43:55,301
And you eat it,
it's bad for you.
952
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:58,100
Anything you set to light
and inhale or ingest
953
00:43:58,103 --> 00:43:59,573
Is bad for you.
954
00:43:59,571 --> 00:44:01,941
- If you weren't to smoke,
you've solved the problem.
955
00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:03,670
We know how to deal
with the smoke.
956
00:44:03,675 --> 00:44:06,075
So, I think people
working on this
957
00:44:06,077 --> 00:44:08,337
Every morning, just like
clinton when he first ran
958
00:44:08,346 --> 00:44:09,976
For president had
that sign saying,
959
00:44:09,981 --> 00:44:11,511
"it's the economy stupid."
960
00:44:11,516 --> 00:44:14,116
To remind him every day
what to concentrate on.
961
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:15,819
It's really simple.
962
00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:19,760
It's the smoke stupid.
963
00:44:19,758 --> 00:44:22,858
- A normal cigarette has
at least 4,000 toxicants.
964
00:44:22,861 --> 00:44:25,701
Including-- it has
nicotine, as well.
965
00:44:25,697 --> 00:44:29,027
And if a consumer would
take all of that on board
966
00:44:29,034 --> 00:44:31,304
They are-- one out of
two of those consumers
967
00:44:31,302 --> 00:44:34,702
Will develop disease
and die an early death.
968
00:44:34,706 --> 00:44:36,266
Solid evidence to back that up.
969
00:44:36,274 --> 00:44:39,444
- If somebody would have said,
"bill, can you think of a
970
00:44:39,444 --> 00:44:43,314
"parameters of a product
to replace cigarettes."
971
00:44:43,314 --> 00:44:45,184
Theoretically I've had
said, "well, it would be
972
00:44:45,183 --> 00:44:46,983
"99% less hazardous
than cigarettes.
973
00:44:46,985 --> 00:44:49,445
"it wouldn't be
addicting non-smokers.
974
00:44:49,454 --> 00:44:52,564
"it wouldn't encourage anybody
to switch to cigarettes.
975
00:44:52,557 --> 00:44:55,627
"and it would help lots
of people quit smoking."
976
00:44:55,627 --> 00:45:00,197
That's the ideal solution
to the cigarette epidemic
977
00:45:00,198 --> 00:45:02,468
In this world.
978
00:45:02,467 --> 00:45:04,527
And it's called vaping.
979
00:45:04,536 --> 00:45:06,066
- It's not smoking.
980
00:45:06,071 --> 00:45:07,201
There's no tobacco.
981
00:45:07,205 --> 00:45:08,835
Nothing is lit on fire.
982
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,810
Vaping uses a battery,
983
00:45:10,809 --> 00:45:13,039
Which powers an atomizer,
984
00:45:13,044 --> 00:45:14,544
Which vaporizes a liquid.
985
00:45:14,546 --> 00:45:16,676
Which may, or may not,
have nicotine in it,
986
00:45:16,681 --> 00:45:20,081
Has a flavoring, and is
made with an fda approved
987
00:45:20,085 --> 00:45:22,145
Food grade liquid base.
988
00:45:22,153 --> 00:45:24,423
- Well I first became
interested when some of the most
989
00:45:24,422 --> 00:45:27,522
Hardened smokers that I saw
as a general practitioner
990
00:45:27,525 --> 00:45:29,355
Started giving up
with the use of these.
991
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,830
That really sort of
sparked my fascination
992
00:45:31,830 --> 00:45:34,930
With this whole idea
of turning the idea
993
00:45:34,933 --> 00:45:37,373
Of quitting on its head
instead of being about
994
00:45:37,368 --> 00:45:38,938
Denial and withdrawal.
995
00:45:38,937 --> 00:45:40,737
But being about
something exciting
996
00:45:40,739 --> 00:45:42,269
And something
better than smoking.
997
00:45:42,273 --> 00:45:44,013
- it's gonna
be one of the biggest
998
00:45:44,008 --> 00:45:46,378
Contributions to public
health this century.
999
00:45:46,377 --> 00:45:50,247
It's a really
transformative technology.
1000
00:45:50,248 --> 00:45:52,878
And just think back a
hundred or plus years
1001
00:45:52,884 --> 00:45:55,624
When the cigarette
was first invented,
1002
00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:57,450
That was transformative.
1003
00:45:57,455 --> 00:45:59,555
It did away with all
the other kinds of
1004
00:45:59,557 --> 00:46:00,887
Tobacco products.
1005
00:46:00,892 --> 00:46:03,532
E-cigarettes are gonna be
equally transformative.
1006
00:46:03,528 --> 00:46:06,128
- It can save a billion lives.
1007
00:46:18,008 --> 00:46:20,408
- Anytime someone attacks
a promising alternative
1008
00:46:20,411 --> 00:46:21,911
To a massive problem
1009
00:46:21,913 --> 00:46:24,253
And you have to ask, why?
1010
00:46:24,249 --> 00:46:26,049
The answer is money.
1011
00:46:26,050 --> 00:46:27,550
Money
1012
00:46:27,552 --> 00:46:31,892
And one of the most fascinating
alliances in history.
1013
00:46:31,890 --> 00:46:34,460
- Well there are lots
of forces that play
1014
00:46:34,459 --> 00:46:36,389
Pro-vaping, and anti-vaping.
1015
00:46:36,394 --> 00:46:38,664
And it's hugely complex.
1016
00:46:38,663 --> 00:46:41,333
- The war on vaping began
with the fdas attack.
1017
00:46:41,332 --> 00:46:43,602
But they weren't the
only ones on their side.
1018
00:46:43,601 --> 00:46:45,941
To fully understand this
alliance that formed
1019
00:46:45,937 --> 00:46:47,767
We need to go to
the american south
1020
00:46:47,772 --> 00:46:50,312
And the theory of the
baptists and the bootleggers.
1021
00:46:50,308 --> 00:46:52,308
In many counties, they
hold periodic votes
1022
00:46:52,310 --> 00:46:54,510
To decide the fate
of alcohol sales.
1023
00:46:54,512 --> 00:46:56,612
An unholy alliance forms
between the preachers
1024
00:46:56,614 --> 00:46:59,424
Who don't want alcohol being
used in their communities.
1025
00:46:59,417 --> 00:47:01,447
And the bootleggers are
willing to sell alcohol
1026
00:47:01,452 --> 00:47:03,952
When and where it's not legal.
1027
00:47:03,955 --> 00:47:06,515
They're happy to help the
preachers restrict alcohol sales
1028
00:47:06,524 --> 00:47:08,964
Because that kills
their competition.
1029
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,530
It's a classic example
of the enemy of my enemy
1030
00:47:11,529 --> 00:47:12,859
Is my friend.
1031
00:47:12,864 --> 00:47:14,764
At the end of the day they
both drive around town
1032
00:47:14,766 --> 00:47:18,626
With the same bumper stickers.
1033
00:47:18,636 --> 00:47:20,496
Unfortunately, counties that
vote to restrict alcohol
1034
00:47:20,505 --> 00:47:23,505
Sales have higher rates of
drunk driving fatalities.
1035
00:47:23,508 --> 00:47:26,378
We see the same two
sides in the vaping wars.
1036
00:47:26,377 --> 00:47:28,537
You have the bootleggers
who are opposed to vaping
1037
00:47:28,546 --> 00:47:30,376
For business reasons.
1038
00:47:30,381 --> 00:47:32,981
And you have the preachers
who are opposed to vaping
1039
00:47:32,984 --> 00:47:34,484
On moralistic grounds.
1040
00:47:37,988 --> 00:47:39,888
Well let's talk about
the bootlegger side.
1041
00:47:39,891 --> 00:47:41,521
Remember big tobacco?
1042
00:47:41,526 --> 00:47:43,486
They don't like competition
for their one trillion
1043
00:47:43,494 --> 00:47:44,734
Dollar business.
1044
00:47:44,729 --> 00:47:47,159
- analysts say
electronic, or e-cigarettes
1045
00:47:47,165 --> 00:47:49,195
Will become a two
billion dollar industry
1046
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,230
Worldwide by the
end of the year.
1047
00:47:51,236 --> 00:47:53,496
With some predicting
sales will outpace
1048
00:47:53,504 --> 00:47:56,314
Conventional cigarettes
within five to 10 years.
1049
00:47:56,307 --> 00:47:58,037
- Cigarette companies realize
1050
00:47:58,042 --> 00:48:00,242
That e-cigarettes
are now a threat
1051
00:48:00,245 --> 00:48:01,405
To the old business.
1052
00:48:01,412 --> 00:48:02,352
- And, are they?
1053
00:48:02,347 --> 00:48:06,277
- It's one of the very rare
cases where you have
1054
00:48:06,284 --> 00:48:08,554
Such controversy
about the product.
1055
00:48:08,553 --> 00:48:12,823
And to the point that
people don't understand that
1056
00:48:12,824 --> 00:48:16,434
It is the main competitor
of tobacco cigarettes today.
1057
00:48:16,427 --> 00:48:20,257
The e-cigarette is
the main competitor
of tobacco cigarettes.
1058
00:48:37,047 --> 00:48:39,017
- some people
have had changes in behavior,
1059
00:48:39,017 --> 00:48:41,217
Hostility, agitation,
depressed mood,
1060
00:48:41,219 --> 00:48:43,249
And suicidal thoughts
or actions while taking
1061
00:48:43,254 --> 00:48:44,794
Or after stopping chantix.
1062
00:48:44,789 --> 00:48:47,189
Some people can have allergic
or serious skin reactions
1063
00:48:47,191 --> 00:48:49,361
To chantix, some of which
can be life threatening.
1064
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,230
Patients also reported
trouble sleeping
1065
00:48:51,229 --> 00:48:53,599
And vivid, unusual
or strange dreams.
1066
00:48:53,598 --> 00:48:55,768
Talk to your doctor to
find out if prescription
1067
00:48:55,767 --> 00:48:57,567
Chantix is right for you.
1068
00:48:57,568 --> 00:49:00,098
- Drug companies know
that doctors hold all
1069
00:49:00,104 --> 00:49:02,574
The real power in the
prescription drug business.
1070
00:49:02,573 --> 00:49:04,913
- break the
hold of nicotine addiction.
1071
00:49:04,909 --> 00:49:07,739
See your doctor
about treatments.
1072
00:49:07,745 --> 00:49:09,605
- While they spend nearly
four billion dollars
1073
00:49:09,614 --> 00:49:11,584
A year marketing directly to us
1074
00:49:11,582 --> 00:49:15,652
They spend an estimated
24 billion dollars a year
1075
00:49:15,653 --> 00:49:17,453
Marketing directly to doctors.
1076
00:49:17,455 --> 00:49:19,555
- Big pharmaceutical
companies also lovingly
1077
00:49:19,557 --> 00:49:21,817
Known as big pharma,
want to protect their
1078
00:49:21,826 --> 00:49:25,556
Six billion dollar nicotine
replacement therapy business.
1079
00:49:25,563 --> 00:49:27,503
- not only are
they trying to ban
1080
00:49:27,498 --> 00:49:29,468
All their competitors,
1081
00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:31,397
The smoke-free alternatives,
1082
00:49:31,402 --> 00:49:33,802
But they are trying to
promote gums, patches,
1083
00:49:33,805 --> 00:49:35,935
Lozenges and any
fda approved drugs
1084
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:38,010
As the only effective
was to quit smoking.
1085
00:49:38,009 --> 00:49:40,939
- I'm not a big fan
of nicotrol, nicaband,
1086
00:49:41,244 --> 00:49:41,984
Habitrol.
1087
00:49:42,612 --> 00:49:44,312
The inhalers.
1088
00:49:44,315 --> 00:49:46,615
Which contain the exact
same thing that vaping
1089
00:49:46,617 --> 00:49:47,517
Devices have.
1090
00:49:47,518 --> 00:49:48,918
The propylene glycol.
1091
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,320
The only thing it doesn't
have is the the flavors.
1092
00:49:51,322 --> 00:49:52,662
- nicotine
replacement therapy
1093
00:49:52,657 --> 00:49:56,757
Which is not an
attractive product at all.
1094
00:49:56,761 --> 00:49:59,801
And it does not deliver
the success that it should.
1095
00:49:59,797 --> 00:50:02,297
- Okay, I'm gonna
cook the purple one.
1096
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:05,500
- he gets the
prescription from his doctor.
1097
00:50:05,503 --> 00:50:07,703
It's also found in
the over the counter
1098
00:50:07,705 --> 00:50:10,035
Anti-smoking drug zyban.
1099
00:50:10,041 --> 00:50:12,881
But crushed,
cooked, and injected
1100
00:50:12,877 --> 00:50:15,607
It delivers a crack
cocaine-like high.
1101
00:50:15,613 --> 00:50:17,653
Each hit leaves a scar.
1102
00:50:17,648 --> 00:50:20,178
Skin abscesses, collapsed veins,
1103
00:50:20,184 --> 00:50:21,654
And clogged arteries.
1104
00:50:21,652 --> 00:50:24,122
Injuries attributed to
injecting wellbutrin
1105
00:50:24,122 --> 00:50:25,392
And zyban.
1106
00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:27,490
It's killed six
people in ontario.
1107
00:50:27,492 --> 00:50:29,792
- people go out and
get prescription for chantix.
1108
00:50:29,794 --> 00:50:32,194
No, that was fast-tracked
through the fda.
1109
00:50:32,196 --> 00:50:33,896
It has a black
box warning on it.
1110
00:50:33,898 --> 00:50:35,868
Could cause you to
have suicidal thoughts.
1111
00:50:35,867 --> 00:50:37,497
Could cause you
to commit suicide.
1112
00:50:37,502 --> 00:50:40,472
But that's fine, let's just keep
selling that crap, you know.
1113
00:50:40,471 --> 00:50:42,511
- If you look at
the united kingdom
1114
00:50:42,507 --> 00:50:45,337
And the solid evidence
which is being built up by
1115
00:50:45,343 --> 00:50:47,983
Robert wist, it shows
without any doubt
1116
00:50:47,979 --> 00:50:51,409
That e-cigarettes have
already supplanted
1117
00:50:51,416 --> 00:50:54,476
Nicotine replacement
therapy, medicine,
1118
00:50:54,485 --> 00:50:56,915
As the preferred way
for smokers to quit
1119
00:50:56,921 --> 00:51:00,161
Or to substitute their smoking.
1120
00:51:00,158 --> 00:51:02,528
- So if you have a
pharmaceutical company
1121
00:51:02,527 --> 00:51:04,827
Who's starting to see
your share of the market
1122
00:51:04,829 --> 00:51:06,699
On nicotine replacement therapy
1123
00:51:06,697 --> 00:51:09,827
Slide relative to these--
up and coming
1124
00:51:09,834 --> 00:51:11,774
E-cig people, what
are you gonna do?
1125
00:51:11,769 --> 00:51:14,699
You're gonna sit on
your bum and do nothing?
1126
00:51:22,512 --> 00:51:24,852
- under the korean
law, electronic cigarettes
1127
00:51:24,849 --> 00:51:26,219
Are considered cigarettes.
1128
00:51:26,217 --> 00:51:28,447
Until comprehensive research
proves that e-cigarettes
1129
00:51:28,453 --> 00:51:31,893
Are harm-free, and contribute
to quitting smoking.
1130
00:51:31,889 --> 00:51:34,589
Nicotine patches or chews
that are scientifically proven
1131
00:51:34,592 --> 00:51:36,862
To be safe, should be promoted.
1132
00:51:36,861 --> 00:51:39,901
- It made sense to find
big tobacco and big pharma
1133
00:51:39,897 --> 00:51:42,597
In the bootlegger camp,
'cause they sell things.
1134
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,900
But it was confusing to
us when we found national
1135
00:51:44,902 --> 00:51:47,472
Governments were
right there with them.
1136
00:51:47,472 --> 00:51:49,912
- Governments worldwide
are the biggest
1137
00:51:49,907 --> 00:51:52,777
Shareholders in the
revenue of cigarettes.
1138
00:51:52,777 --> 00:51:54,907
- Using the united
states as an a example,
1139
00:51:54,912 --> 00:51:58,582
In 2010, the year that the
fda went after vaping,
1140
00:51:58,583 --> 00:52:00,783
The federal government
collected 15 and a half
1141
00:52:00,785 --> 00:52:02,785
Billion dollars
in tobacco taxes.
1142
00:52:02,787 --> 00:52:05,987
Just three years later, after
vaping began to take off,
1143
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:09,130
Tobacco taxes were down
to 14 billion dollars.
1144
00:52:09,127 --> 00:52:11,957
That's a difference of one
and a half billion dollars.
1145
00:52:11,963 --> 00:52:16,773
- The e-cigarette industry
should be put out of business.
1146
00:52:16,767 --> 00:52:18,497
- The government's getting
billions of billions
1147
00:52:18,503 --> 00:52:19,843
Of billions of tax revenue.
1148
00:52:19,837 --> 00:52:21,637
- But it's not just the taxes.
1149
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:24,269
Some countries actually own
their own tobacco companies.
1150
00:52:24,275 --> 00:52:28,435
- The chinese national
tobacco corporation
1151
00:52:28,446 --> 00:52:31,746
Is the main supplier
of cigarettes.
1152
00:52:31,749 --> 00:52:34,849
It's 100% owned by the
chinese government.
1153
00:52:34,852 --> 00:52:37,022
So in effect, the
chinese government
1154
00:52:37,021 --> 00:52:39,821
Is the world's largest
tobacco company.
1155
00:52:39,824 --> 00:52:42,364
- japan tobacco
owns the camel brand.
1156
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,360
Besides those two, there
are 14 other countries
1157
00:52:44,362 --> 00:52:47,002
That own large
tobacco companies.
1158
00:52:52,770 --> 00:52:54,770
So who are the preachers?
1159
00:52:54,772 --> 00:52:56,812
Unfortunately, these
are the people smokers
1160
00:52:56,807 --> 00:52:58,107
Go to for advice.
1161
00:52:58,109 --> 00:52:59,679
Their medical professionals
and other healthcare
1162
00:52:59,677 --> 00:53:00,607
Organizations.
1163
00:53:00,611 --> 00:53:01,711
Like the cdc,
1164
00:53:01,712 --> 00:53:02,952
Fda,
1165
00:53:02,947 --> 00:53:04,607
And the world
health organization.
1166
00:53:04,615 --> 00:53:06,845
- The fundamental
truth, I think is that
1167
00:53:06,851 --> 00:53:08,881
The battle in the end
became very personalized.
1168
00:53:08,886 --> 00:53:11,686
It became public health
versus the tobacco industry.
1169
00:53:11,689 --> 00:53:14,159
- Tobacco control has
had decades of doing
1170
00:53:14,158 --> 00:53:15,358
The same things.
1171
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:17,859
Just, you know, screwing
down the controls
1172
00:53:17,862 --> 00:53:21,202
A bit harder, increasing
the taxes a bit more.
1173
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:22,329
Doing plain packaging.
1174
00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:24,803
None of which I disagree with.
1175
00:53:24,802 --> 00:53:29,142
But, when something comes out
of totally out of left field,
1176
00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:31,010
I don't think they know
how to deal with it.
1177
00:53:31,008 --> 00:53:33,208
- The groups that were
kind of in charge of that
1178
00:53:33,211 --> 00:53:37,511
Around the world, felt that
really they were in the
1179
00:53:37,515 --> 00:53:39,145
Final leg, the final push
1180
00:53:39,150 --> 00:53:41,020
Would just end
this story forever.
1181
00:53:41,018 --> 00:53:43,518
- And now we cannot
allow e-cigarettes
1182
00:53:43,521 --> 00:53:45,921
To snuff out the
progress we've made
1183
00:53:45,923 --> 00:53:49,193
Preventing nicotine addiction
and its deadly consequences.
1184
00:53:49,193 --> 00:53:52,093
- It's shocking to hear,
I almost, you know, flinch
1185
00:53:52,096 --> 00:53:55,226
When I hear, colleagues
saying things
1186
00:53:55,233 --> 00:53:58,033
About e-cigarettes that we
know, or they should know
1187
00:53:58,035 --> 00:54:01,365
Are completely wrong,
exaggerated, or scare-mongering.
1188
00:54:01,372 --> 00:54:03,272
There's too much
of that going on.
1189
00:54:03,274 --> 00:54:05,714
- We don't know enough
research in terms of
1190
00:54:05,710 --> 00:54:06,780
The long-term risks.
1191
00:54:06,777 --> 00:54:08,607
- The jury's out on this one.
1192
00:54:08,613 --> 00:54:10,853
They might, or might not
be able to help you quit
1193
00:54:10,848 --> 00:54:13,878
But there are definite
harms that they can cause.
1194
00:54:13,884 --> 00:54:16,424
- We don't yet
know about vaping.
1195
00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:17,850
- It's the same as antifreeze.
1196
00:54:17,855 --> 00:54:19,755
- We used to have very
dangerous products
1197
00:54:19,757 --> 00:54:21,887
And the makers of those
used to lie about those.
1198
00:54:21,892 --> 00:54:24,132
We now have much safer products
1199
00:54:24,128 --> 00:54:26,528
And the public health
communities lying about those.
1200
00:54:26,530 --> 00:54:29,270
- We know that they don't
actually allow people
1201
00:54:29,267 --> 00:54:30,727
To stop smoking.
1202
00:54:30,735 --> 00:54:32,735
- now there's
even more evidence that
1203
00:54:32,737 --> 00:54:36,137
That these are a gateway to
smoking regular cigarettes.
1204
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:39,380
- These cigarette makers
are making these for kids.
1205
00:54:39,377 --> 00:54:42,207
Because they make chocolate,
and other flavors.
1206
00:54:42,213 --> 00:54:43,783
- What's going on?
1207
00:54:43,781 --> 00:54:45,951
- Frankly, they don't think
they can see too clearly
1208
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:48,550
Sometimes when it
comes to a product
1209
00:54:48,552 --> 00:54:50,992
That involves nicotine,
like e-cigarettes.
1210
00:54:50,988 --> 00:54:55,588
Because of the association
with tobacco that just
1211
00:54:55,593 --> 00:54:57,993
Seems to blot out the
sun for these people.
1212
00:54:57,995 --> 00:55:00,225
And they can't look at
the facts as objectively
1213
00:55:00,231 --> 00:55:01,731
As they otherwise might.
1214
00:55:01,732 --> 00:55:04,502
- In many people's mind,
nicotine is so closely
1215
00:55:04,502 --> 00:55:08,902
Associated with
tobacco and smoke.
1216
00:55:08,906 --> 00:55:11,006
That they don't separate out.
1217
00:55:11,008 --> 00:55:13,338
This is just one
of the components
1218
00:55:13,344 --> 00:55:15,084
In a cigarette.
1219
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,679
- What we always used to say
in the stop smoking services
1220
00:55:17,682 --> 00:55:21,752
Is that nicotine is as
addictive as heroin and cocaine.
1221
00:55:21,752 --> 00:55:25,952
But actually, we're
finding more now
1222
00:55:25,956 --> 00:55:28,016
That once you take it
out of the cigarette
1223
00:55:28,025 --> 00:55:30,625
Which we know has got
other chemicals into
1224
00:55:30,628 --> 00:55:33,028
Enhance the action of nicotine
1225
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:35,500
It doesn't seem to
be so addictive.
1226
00:55:35,499 --> 00:55:38,299
- You never see anyone
sniffing pure nicotine.
1227
00:55:38,302 --> 00:55:40,842
You never see anyone
injecting pure nicotine.
1228
00:55:40,838 --> 00:55:44,038
No one wants to inject or to
use nicotine in a pure form
1229
00:55:44,041 --> 00:55:46,281
And you know it
would be much cheaper
1230
00:55:46,277 --> 00:55:50,007
To get nicotine as a solution
1231
00:55:50,014 --> 00:55:52,284
Rather than to use, to
take it from cigarettes.
1232
00:55:52,283 --> 00:55:53,953
But everyone likes
cigarettes because it's
1233
00:55:53,951 --> 00:55:55,321
Not only nicotine.
1234
00:55:55,319 --> 00:55:57,189
- It's not particularly
dangerous in itself.
1235
00:55:57,188 --> 00:55:59,558
Some people are saying,
well, in terms of risk
1236
00:55:59,557 --> 00:56:02,187
It may be on the level
with, say, coffee
1237
00:56:02,193 --> 00:56:03,493
Or something like that.
1238
00:56:03,494 --> 00:56:06,334
- nicotine is
a mild stimulant.
1239
00:56:06,330 --> 00:56:10,070
We have data from sweden
which-- where they have
1240
00:56:10,067 --> 00:56:12,667
Huge rates of nicotine use
1241
00:56:12,670 --> 00:56:14,070
Lifelong use.
1242
00:56:14,071 --> 00:56:16,841
The rates of lung
cancer are half that
1243
00:56:16,841 --> 00:56:18,071
Of the rest of europe.
1244
00:56:18,075 --> 00:56:19,905
The rates of heart
attacks are half that
1245
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:21,210
Of the rest of europe.
1246
00:56:21,212 --> 00:56:23,412
And the reason is because
the tobacco they use
1247
00:56:23,414 --> 00:56:27,084
Is a special smokeless
pasteurized product called snus
1248
00:56:27,084 --> 00:56:30,594
Which is a harm-reduction
product, much the same
1249
00:56:30,588 --> 00:56:32,318
As electronic cigarettes are.
1250
00:56:32,323 --> 00:56:37,033
And so we know that really
lifelong use of nicotine
1251
00:56:37,027 --> 00:56:39,827
You can't measure any
significant health
1252
00:56:39,830 --> 00:56:41,230
Impacts from that.
1253
00:56:41,232 --> 00:56:44,072
- The data we have on that
is, it really comes from
1254
00:56:44,068 --> 00:56:47,198
Looking at people
using patches and gums.
1255
00:56:47,204 --> 00:56:50,044
And the data show that
you can use nicotine
1256
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,370
For many many years.
1257
00:56:51,375 --> 00:56:54,035
- Many people have gone
on to be lifelong users
1258
00:56:54,044 --> 00:56:56,114
Including I might say my sister,
1259
00:56:56,113 --> 00:56:59,083
With no additional risk,
but dramatic declines
1260
00:56:59,083 --> 00:57:01,583
In their probability of risks.
1261
00:57:01,585 --> 00:57:04,015
And I think part of it
is the way physicians,
1262
00:57:04,021 --> 00:57:06,091
Nurses, health
professionals get trained
1263
00:57:06,090 --> 00:57:08,020
And the way they send
their message forward
1264
00:57:08,025 --> 00:57:11,225
They often don't know
that very simple fact.
1265
00:57:11,228 --> 00:57:14,098
- What I'm extremely
disappointed with in myself
1266
00:57:14,098 --> 00:57:16,198
And in our movement,
especially around the
1267
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,200
Framework convention
on tobacco control
1268
00:57:19,203 --> 00:57:23,143
Is that we did not recognize
the simple role of nicotine,
1269
00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:25,070
Molecule nicotine,
1270
00:57:25,075 --> 00:57:28,035
And the possibility of
tobacco on reduction.
1271
00:57:28,045 --> 00:57:30,205
Frankly you don't
get people to move
1272
00:57:30,214 --> 00:57:32,254
And especially not
one 1.4 billion people
1273
00:57:32,249 --> 00:57:34,719
To move by giving them a sermon.
1274
00:57:34,718 --> 00:57:37,588
And lecturing them and
saying, you quit or you die.
1275
00:57:37,588 --> 00:57:40,258
Here's some nicotine
replacement therapy, or gum
1276
00:57:40,257 --> 00:57:42,957
Or your patch, you'll
only be allowed to use it
1277
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,260
For 12 weeks.
1278
00:57:44,261 --> 00:57:48,101
Because, you're the bad person,
you need to stop smoking.
1279
00:57:48,098 --> 00:57:52,098
And use this and then let's
hope that we can fix you.
1280
00:57:52,102 --> 00:57:55,572
And that's a gap, and
it's a great failing.
1281
00:57:59,810 --> 00:58:03,180
- what struck me, was
in my career, which extends
1282
00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:06,980
From working on tobacco in
south africa through who,
1283
00:58:06,984 --> 00:58:09,524
Is how rarely we
actually make the point
1284
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,120
Very clearly, that nicotine
addicts, tar kills.
1285
00:58:13,123 --> 00:58:16,023
That very simple separation
of what's in a product.
1286
00:58:16,026 --> 00:58:17,326
And yet we've
known it for years.
1287
00:58:17,328 --> 00:58:19,188
It was in the original
surgeon general's report
1288
00:58:19,196 --> 00:58:21,626
In 1964, clearly stated
1289
00:58:21,632 --> 00:58:24,132
That long-term use of
nicotine alone confers
1290
00:58:24,134 --> 00:58:27,174
Very little to no
harms on people.
1291
00:58:27,171 --> 00:58:29,941
- do those
professionals actually know
1292
00:58:29,940 --> 00:58:32,340
How people die of smoking?
1293
00:58:32,343 --> 00:58:35,483
And then you get to the
disturbing fact that
1294
00:58:35,479 --> 00:58:38,879
If you ask the
question to, let's say
1295
00:58:38,883 --> 00:58:41,183
The physicians in america,
1296
00:58:41,185 --> 00:58:43,285
"does nicotine cause cancer?"
1297
00:58:43,287 --> 00:58:44,447
Simple question.
1298
00:58:44,455 --> 00:58:46,215
Does that cause cancer?
1299
00:58:46,223 --> 00:58:48,893
70% of them would say yes.
1300
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,200
And the science is
absolutely clear
1301
00:58:53,197 --> 00:58:56,157
That nicotine is
not a carcinogen.
1302
00:58:56,166 --> 00:58:57,866
It is an addictive agent.
1303
00:58:57,868 --> 00:59:01,298
So it's part of the ritual
and the attractiveness
1304
00:59:01,305 --> 00:59:02,735
Of people smoking cigarettes.
1305
00:59:02,740 --> 00:59:05,240
But it's not the
nicotine that kills,
1306
00:59:05,242 --> 00:59:06,682
It's the tar and the smoke.
1307
00:59:06,677 --> 00:59:10,147
We weren't honest
with our patients.
1308
00:59:12,081 --> 00:59:16,151
If health professionals, and
those who are in a position
1309
00:59:16,153 --> 00:59:19,253
Of trust, where people
would want to confide
1310
00:59:19,256 --> 00:59:22,316
Or discuss quitting,
1311
00:59:22,326 --> 00:59:25,186
You would want them to
have the right information.
1312
00:59:25,195 --> 00:59:27,325
And that, to me,
was the shocking
1313
00:59:27,331 --> 00:59:30,171
Shocking part, in myself,
is that I
1314
00:59:30,167 --> 00:59:32,997
Did not know that nicotine
is not a carcinogen.
1315
00:59:33,003 --> 00:59:35,203
So where I would have
been in a position to help
1316
00:59:35,205 --> 00:59:38,235
My patients, or family
members who smoke
1317
00:59:38,242 --> 00:59:41,882
With less harmful products
1318
00:59:41,879 --> 00:59:45,279
So that they, if they
couldn't stop or quit smoking
1319
00:59:45,282 --> 00:59:47,682
They'd at least switch to
something less harmful.
1320
00:59:47,685 --> 00:59:49,885
And unfortunately, the
health professionals
1321
00:59:49,887 --> 00:59:52,287
Especially physicians
are normally
1322
00:59:52,289 --> 00:59:54,619
Not in a position where they get
1323
00:59:54,625 --> 00:59:56,955
Feedback when they are wrong.
1324
00:59:56,961 --> 01:00:00,361
Very honest to say that I
personally got it wrong.
1325
01:00:03,267 --> 01:00:07,367
- Fda's own funded
scientists came out and said
1326
01:00:07,371 --> 01:00:11,541
That vapers are
exposed to dramatically
1327
01:00:11,542 --> 01:00:14,382
Less toxicants than
1328
01:00:14,378 --> 01:00:15,778
Smokers.
1329
01:00:15,779 --> 01:00:18,879
And they are exposed to very
similar levels of toxicants
1330
01:00:18,882 --> 01:00:21,052
As non-tobacco users.
1331
01:00:21,051 --> 01:00:24,651
Unfortunately, the fda
officials, when they
1332
01:00:24,655 --> 01:00:27,315
Talk to the news
media, don't say that.
1333
01:00:27,324 --> 01:00:30,794
- The dilemma is you, you
can't get 1.4 billion people.
1334
01:00:30,794 --> 01:00:32,634
It's the size of
the catholic church.
1335
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:37,230
It's the size of the
indian population.
1336
01:00:37,234 --> 01:00:40,244
All to quit smoking
cigarettes tomorrow.
1337
01:00:40,237 --> 01:00:42,497
It's just not going to happen.
1338
01:00:42,506 --> 01:00:46,006
So the alternative
is to provide safer,
1339
01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:49,310
Not safe, but
safer alternatives.
1340
01:00:49,313 --> 01:00:51,153
- all these other
products are so much less
1341
01:00:51,148 --> 01:00:52,478
Hazardous.
1342
01:00:52,483 --> 01:00:55,123
And yet, our public health
agencies are saying,
1343
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:58,119
No, no, you have to
absolutely stop all tobacco
1344
01:00:58,122 --> 01:00:59,352
And all nicotine use.
1345
01:00:59,356 --> 01:01:00,356
That's their goal.
1346
01:01:01,557 --> 01:01:03,327
♪ lollipop lollipop
1347
01:01:03,327 --> 01:01:05,487
♪ oh lolli lolli lolli
1348
01:01:05,496 --> 01:01:07,426
♪ lollipop lollipop
1349
01:01:07,431 --> 01:01:09,631
♪ oh lolli lolli lolli
1350
01:01:09,633 --> 01:01:12,303
♪ lollipop lollipop
1351
01:01:16,906 --> 01:01:18,366
- As we look at the
arguments against vaping
1352
01:01:18,375 --> 01:01:22,005
From the preachers, it seems
that there's an issue of pride.
1353
01:01:22,012 --> 01:01:24,182
Nobody likes to admit
that they're wrong,
1354
01:01:24,181 --> 01:01:26,351
Especially when
they're the expert.
1355
01:01:35,391 --> 01:01:37,031
- my name is
serena chen, I'm with the
1356
01:01:37,027 --> 01:01:39,187
American lung association.
1357
01:01:39,196 --> 01:01:41,656
- Every time we watched a
public hearing about vaping
1358
01:01:41,665 --> 01:01:43,325
It was intriguing to see
that one of the major
1359
01:01:43,333 --> 01:01:47,243
Health charities was there
to attack it immediately.
1360
01:01:47,237 --> 01:01:50,837
- The anti-tobacco community
1361
01:01:50,841 --> 01:01:53,481
Is also a small
economy in itself.
1362
01:01:53,477 --> 01:01:56,207
- Cancer, heart, and
lung, for the last
1363
01:01:56,213 --> 01:01:58,983
20 years, their tobacco
control advocacy
1364
01:01:58,982 --> 01:02:02,422
Has all been financed
by pharmaceutical grants
1365
01:02:02,419 --> 01:02:04,089
And contracts.
1366
01:02:04,088 --> 01:02:06,988
- I found out that cancer's
150 billion dollar industry.
1367
01:02:06,990 --> 01:02:07,660
Hmmm.
1368
01:02:08,325 --> 01:02:11,255
The american cancer
society, you know,
1369
01:02:11,261 --> 01:02:14,401
Most profitable non-profit
organization out there.
1370
01:02:14,398 --> 01:02:16,058
- Every advertisement
on television you saw
1371
01:02:16,066 --> 01:02:18,396
For gums, patches, and
lozenges for the nicoderm,
1372
01:02:18,402 --> 01:02:20,442
Nicorette, and commit lozenge
1373
01:02:20,437 --> 01:02:23,507
It said, sponsored by the
american cancer society
1374
01:02:23,507 --> 01:02:26,007
And it had the american
cancer society logo on it.
1375
01:02:26,009 --> 01:02:28,679
- Every state has a chapter,
every county has a chapter,
1376
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:30,679
And every city has a chapter.
1377
01:02:30,681 --> 01:02:33,751
17 to 18% of that
money goes to research.
1378
01:02:33,751 --> 01:02:36,451
The rest goes to the
multi-million dollar salaries
1379
01:02:36,453 --> 01:02:38,393
Of all of the ceos, cfos,
1380
01:02:38,388 --> 01:02:40,018
Coos, cdos,
1381
01:02:40,023 --> 01:02:41,363
Clos.
1382
01:02:41,358 --> 01:02:43,428
Everybody's got-- and so
on and so on and so on.
1383
01:02:43,427 --> 01:02:45,927
I just know that people keep
donating year after year
1384
01:02:45,929 --> 01:02:48,029
After year after year
and we have more walks
1385
01:02:48,031 --> 01:02:49,931
And more relays
and more ribbons.
1386
01:02:49,933 --> 01:02:52,403
Because people haven't
done what the problem
1387
01:02:52,402 --> 01:02:53,772
Needed to be done.
1388
01:02:53,771 --> 01:02:56,041
And that is, stop the
source of the problem.
1389
01:02:56,039 --> 01:02:57,469
You go to a river, you
see a baby floating down,
1390
01:02:57,474 --> 01:02:59,114
A dead baby floating down.
1391
01:02:59,109 --> 01:03:00,539
You pull in the dead baby,
I'll pull a dead baby,
1392
01:03:00,544 --> 01:03:01,944
Another dead baby comes
out, pull out a dead baby.
1393
01:03:01,945 --> 01:03:03,545
All we're doing is
reaction, pull out dead.
1394
01:03:03,547 --> 01:03:05,477
Look, go to the beginning
of the mouth of the river
1395
01:03:05,482 --> 01:03:07,282
And see who's throwing
the babies in.
1396
01:03:07,284 --> 01:03:08,724
Then stop that person
then maybe we won't have
1397
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:10,449
The dead babies
floating down the river.
1398
01:03:10,454 --> 01:03:12,554
I know I'm being
obnoxious here, but
1399
01:03:12,556 --> 01:03:14,216
It's as simple as that.
1400
01:03:14,224 --> 01:03:18,234
- If the tobacco model as
we know it were to change
1401
01:03:18,228 --> 01:03:20,558
Drastically, all
of those ngo's
1402
01:03:20,564 --> 01:03:21,964
Would be out of business.
1403
01:03:21,965 --> 01:03:23,395
They're holding onto the phone,
1404
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:24,830
They don't want
the phone to die.
1405
01:03:24,835 --> 01:03:27,395
- Then I started
investigating the product
1406
01:03:27,404 --> 01:03:30,474
And I could see the potential.
I was worried, also,
1407
01:03:30,474 --> 01:03:32,244
Because potential was very high.
1408
01:03:32,242 --> 01:03:34,742
I said, wow, my smoking
cessation center
1409
01:03:34,745 --> 01:03:36,945
Would be out of
business in a matter of
1410
01:03:36,947 --> 01:03:37,947
A few years.
1411
01:04:02,405 --> 01:04:04,365
- So we have the bootleggers
1412
01:04:04,374 --> 01:04:06,214
With their billions of dollars.
1413
01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:07,610
And we have the preachers
1414
01:04:07,611 --> 01:04:10,351
With their loud voices
and trusted brands.
1415
01:04:10,347 --> 01:04:12,177
How does this truth
stand a chance
1416
01:04:12,182 --> 01:04:15,382
Especially when the vast
majority of vaping advocates
1417
01:04:15,385 --> 01:04:18,385
Are a rag tag bunch
of unorganized vapers.
1418
01:04:18,388 --> 01:04:21,018
And their loudest group
are the cloud chasers.
1419
01:04:21,958 --> 01:04:25,658
♪ I hear the freaks,
freaks, freaks come out
1420
01:04:25,662 --> 01:04:27,062
♪ they don't stop dancing til
1421
01:04:27,064 --> 01:04:29,504
♪ the sunlight hits their eyes
1422
01:04:29,499 --> 01:04:33,369
♪ I hear the freaks,
freaks, freaks come out
1423
01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:34,840
♪ and this club's lookin' like
1424
01:04:34,838 --> 01:04:36,968
♪ everyone's lost their mind
1425
01:04:36,974 --> 01:04:38,314
♪ heading tonight
1426
01:04:38,308 --> 01:04:40,678
♪ li-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-ive
1427
01:04:40,677 --> 01:04:44,547
♪ I get the feeling that
tonight's on for sure
1428
01:04:44,548 --> 01:04:48,248
♪ inject my blood with
the bass line black light
1429
01:04:48,252 --> 01:04:51,992
♪ I hear the freaks are
coming out for some more
1430
01:04:51,989 --> 01:04:53,659
♪ I hear the freaks-freaks
1431
01:04:53,657 --> 01:04:55,657
♪ frea-frea-frea-freaaeaeaeaea
frea
1432
01:04:55,659 --> 01:04:57,259
♪ I hear the freaks-freaks
1433
01:04:57,261 --> 01:04:59,491
♪frea-freafreaffrearferaferaerfa
1434
01:04:59,496 --> 01:05:01,156
♪ let's drop
1435
01:05:01,164 --> 01:05:05,074
- For the first time,
stopping smoking can be fun.
1436
01:05:05,068 --> 01:05:08,738
You don't see websites
devoted to the latest patch.
1437
01:05:08,739 --> 01:05:11,169
You know, you don't
see any chat like that.
1438
01:05:11,174 --> 01:05:14,514
You see masses of chat
in the forums and so on,
1439
01:05:14,511 --> 01:05:17,081
People talking about these
devices, how they're using them
1440
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,010
And so, it's kind
of interesting.
1441
01:05:19,016 --> 01:05:21,116
It's kind of a bit
of a community sense.
1442
01:05:21,118 --> 01:05:22,548
- they're
hanging out together.
1443
01:05:22,552 --> 01:05:23,952
They're a group again.
1444
01:05:23,954 --> 01:05:25,554
They're family.
1445
01:05:25,555 --> 01:05:27,555
They were persecuted, he
was persecuted, and she was--
1446
01:05:27,557 --> 01:05:29,287
So now they can
all come together
1447
01:05:29,293 --> 01:05:31,433
And they're not gonna be
persecuted anymore because
1448
01:05:31,428 --> 01:05:32,888
They've done what
we've asked them to do
1449
01:05:32,896 --> 01:05:34,926
And that is find a
safer alternative.
1450
01:05:35,731 --> 01:05:38,201
♪ whoa whoa
1451
01:05:38,201 --> 01:05:40,641
- But the vast
majority of vapers
1452
01:05:40,637 --> 01:05:42,237
Are moms and dads,
1453
01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:43,809
Grandmas and grandpas,
1454
01:05:43,807 --> 01:05:45,037
Your neighbors,
1455
01:05:45,042 --> 01:05:47,382
Who are desperately
trying to quit
1456
01:05:47,377 --> 01:05:49,637
Something that is
slowly killing them.
1457
01:05:49,646 --> 01:05:51,306
- I'm from the uk.
1458
01:05:51,315 --> 01:05:52,375
I'm a dad.
1459
01:05:52,382 --> 01:05:54,282
An it engineer.
1460
01:05:54,284 --> 01:05:55,084
A vaper.
1461
01:05:55,085 --> 01:05:56,575
An archer.
1462
01:05:56,586 --> 01:05:57,386
A cook.
1463
01:05:57,387 --> 01:05:59,247
A husband.
1464
01:05:59,256 --> 01:06:01,116
Used to be a chemist.
1465
01:06:01,124 --> 01:06:03,164
And,
1466
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:04,760
Used to be a smoker.
1467
01:06:04,761 --> 01:06:07,601
I tried an rt, and
I've tried cold turkey.
1468
01:06:07,597 --> 01:06:09,757
And I tried all sorts
of things to try
1469
01:06:09,766 --> 01:06:11,496
To give up smoking
because I knew
1470
01:06:11,501 --> 01:06:14,941
That it was making me ill.
1471
01:06:14,938 --> 01:06:16,598
And the year before I stopped
smoking I had more than
1472
01:06:16,606 --> 01:06:20,636
Four serious chest
infections that required
1473
01:06:20,644 --> 01:06:24,684
Inhalers, and drugs,
you know, it was crazy.
1474
01:06:24,681 --> 01:06:28,321
Just over five years ago I
came across this bad boy.
1475
01:06:28,318 --> 01:06:31,348
I haven't got rid
of it because well,
1476
01:06:31,355 --> 01:06:32,615
It's kind of a savior.
1477
01:06:32,622 --> 01:06:35,622
On that day I stopped
smoking tobacco.
1478
01:06:35,625 --> 01:06:36,955
That was it.
1479
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:37,960
I quit.
1480
01:06:39,762 --> 01:06:42,602
That's pretty powerful stuff.
1481
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:45,599
I just got the device myself.
1482
01:06:45,602 --> 01:06:48,172
I didn't need anyone's help.
1483
01:06:48,171 --> 01:06:49,801
I didn't need a prescription.
1484
01:06:49,806 --> 01:06:51,766
I didn't need a
doctor's say so.
1485
01:06:51,775 --> 01:06:53,675
I didn't need a hand out
from the government.
1486
01:06:53,677 --> 01:06:56,677
Or the health authority,
or a charity.
1487
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,180
I just quit smoking.
1488
01:07:00,216 --> 01:07:01,976
That's mad.
1489
01:07:01,985 --> 01:07:03,545
That's kinda cool.
1490
01:07:42,458 --> 01:07:44,828
- In the meantime, the
people who have the power to
1491
01:07:44,828 --> 01:07:46,688
Help them quit smoking
find themselves
1492
01:07:46,696 --> 01:07:48,396
In a conflict of interests.
1493
01:07:48,398 --> 01:07:49,998
Let's look at the fda.
1494
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,530
The fda is known to have
a history of hiring people
1495
01:07:52,536 --> 01:07:55,536
From big pharma, and then
once they're done at the fda
1496
01:07:55,539 --> 01:07:56,869
They go back to big pharma.
1497
01:07:56,873 --> 01:07:58,413
It's a revolving door.
1498
01:07:58,408 --> 01:08:01,038
The current head of the
fda center for tobacco
1499
01:08:01,044 --> 01:08:04,084
Is a former lobbyist for
the big pharma company
1500
01:08:04,081 --> 01:08:06,581
That sells nicorette gum
in the United States.
1501
01:08:06,583 --> 01:08:09,423
This is the same
division that in 2014
1502
01:08:09,419 --> 01:08:13,019
Proposed banning 99% of the
vapor products on the market.
1503
01:08:13,023 --> 01:08:16,763
- It will ban more than 99.99%
1504
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,690
Of all e-cigarette products
on the market today.
1505
01:08:19,696 --> 01:08:22,296
- Over in california, state
senator leno was accepting
1506
01:08:22,299 --> 01:08:25,069
Large campaign contributions
from big pharma
1507
01:08:25,068 --> 01:08:27,798
While at the same time
proposing regulations
1508
01:08:27,804 --> 01:08:30,274
And taxes on vapor products.
1509
01:08:30,273 --> 01:08:33,243
- We are at risk of
losing 25 years effort
1510
01:08:33,243 --> 01:08:35,583
And a two billion
dollar investment
1511
01:08:35,579 --> 01:08:38,209
In keeping a next
generation from becoming
1512
01:08:38,215 --> 01:08:41,945
Addicted to the killing
drug of nicotine.
1513
01:08:41,952 --> 01:08:44,452
We have information from
not only the california
1514
01:08:44,454 --> 01:08:46,894
Department of public
health, which has declared
1515
01:08:46,890 --> 01:08:49,890
These devices to be
dangerous and unsafe.
1516
01:08:49,893 --> 01:08:52,493
And they are currently
in the midst of an
1517
01:08:52,496 --> 01:08:54,156
Educational campaign.
1518
01:08:54,164 --> 01:08:55,764
You may have seen some of
the television commercials
1519
01:08:55,765 --> 01:08:57,725
That are out right now.
1520
01:08:57,734 --> 01:08:59,734
- you
smoke pack after pack
1521
01:08:59,736 --> 01:09:00,796
Day after day.
1522
01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:12,810
♪ I'm back in baby's arms
1523
01:09:12,816 --> 01:09:16,346
♪ I missed those lovin' arms
1524
01:09:16,353 --> 01:09:17,693
- your day stays fresh.
1525
01:09:17,687 --> 01:09:21,587
♪ I'm back where I belong
1526
01:09:21,591 --> 01:09:27,831
♪ back in baby's arms
1527
01:09:27,831 --> 01:09:29,661
- And then you're gonna hear
from all the health advocacy
1528
01:09:29,666 --> 01:09:32,026
Groups, the lung association,
the heart association,
1529
01:09:32,035 --> 01:09:33,595
The cancer society
1530
01:09:33,603 --> 01:09:35,473
All those who are
in the business
1531
01:09:35,472 --> 01:09:37,472
Of protecting public health
1532
01:09:37,474 --> 01:09:40,144
Will be speaking in support.
1533
01:09:52,922 --> 01:09:55,892
- The american cancer society
took endorsement money
1534
01:09:55,892 --> 01:09:57,732
For nicotine patches and gum
1535
01:09:57,727 --> 01:09:59,457
And then released
official statements
1536
01:09:59,462 --> 01:10:00,902
Warning against vaping.
1537
01:10:00,897 --> 01:10:03,997
- For disclosure, neither I
nor smoke-free pennsylvania
1538
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,530
Has ever received
any funding from any
1539
01:10:06,536 --> 01:10:08,566
Tobacco company, from
any drug company,
1540
01:10:08,572 --> 01:10:10,872
Or from any e-cigarette company.
1541
01:10:10,874 --> 01:10:14,914
Most of the anti-tobacco
movement, the
large organizations
1542
01:10:14,911 --> 01:10:18,011
For the last 20 years, the
campaign for tobacco-free kids,
1543
01:10:18,014 --> 01:10:21,854
The american cancer society,
the american heart association,
1544
01:10:21,851 --> 01:10:24,091
The american lung association,
the american academy
1545
01:10:24,087 --> 01:10:27,587
Of pediatrics, the american
medical association
1546
01:10:27,591 --> 01:10:30,831
And many more have received
hundreds of millions
1547
01:10:30,827 --> 01:10:33,927
Of dollars from the
pharmaceutical companies
1548
01:10:33,930 --> 01:10:36,500
That manufacture and
market the nicotine gums,
1549
01:10:36,499 --> 01:10:38,669
Lozenges and patches
1550
01:10:38,668 --> 01:10:43,768
And the chantix and
wellbutrin medicines.
1551
01:10:43,773 --> 01:10:47,683
For the last 10 years, these
organizations have been
1552
01:10:47,677 --> 01:10:51,347
Lobbying to ban all
smoke-free alternatives.
1553
01:10:51,348 --> 01:10:55,278
And we know they started
with smokeless tobacco,
1554
01:10:55,285 --> 01:10:57,515
With snus, with dissolvables,
1555
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,920
With lozenges, the tobacco
lozenges that came out.
1556
01:11:01,925 --> 01:11:03,725
And then when
e-cigarettes came out
1557
01:11:03,727 --> 01:11:06,027
The first thing they did
was urge the fda to ban them
1558
01:11:06,029 --> 01:11:06,929
In 2009.
1559
01:11:06,930 --> 01:11:08,400
And the fda did.
1560
01:11:08,398 --> 01:11:10,898
- When you have this
kind of a triage, okay.
1561
01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:13,030
And then you have these
other people now feeding off
1562
01:11:13,036 --> 01:11:15,936
The tentacles, cancer, lung,
heart, getting all this money
1563
01:11:15,939 --> 01:11:17,239
From the government.
1564
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,210
Getting money from the
master tobacco settlement.
1565
01:11:20,210 --> 01:11:22,640
What are they supposed to do?
1566
01:11:30,019 --> 01:11:32,419
- With all the lobbying from
big charities, it looks like
1567
01:11:32,422 --> 01:11:34,492
Government took the
convenient opportunity
1568
01:11:34,491 --> 01:11:36,961
To protect their
tobacco profits.
1569
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,730
- The category is under threat.
1570
01:11:39,729 --> 01:11:42,729
Countries like
singapore, thailand,
1571
01:11:42,732 --> 01:11:45,132
Probably indonesia, australia
1572
01:11:45,135 --> 01:11:46,995
Have banned e-cigarettes.
1573
01:11:47,003 --> 01:11:49,973
We just had a vaper
from australia saying
1574
01:11:49,973 --> 01:11:52,673
She's smoked for 43 years.
1575
01:11:52,676 --> 01:11:55,076
She tried everything.
1576
01:11:55,078 --> 01:11:58,908
Patches, gum, behavioral
therapy, the works.
1577
01:11:58,915 --> 01:12:00,275
Didn't work.
1578
01:12:00,283 --> 01:12:02,423
She heard about e-cigarettes
and she asked her local
1579
01:12:02,419 --> 01:12:04,919
Pharmacist, can she have
that, she didn't have.
1580
01:12:04,921 --> 01:12:07,661
Then she found the quit line.
1581
01:12:07,657 --> 01:12:09,087
Could she have an e-cigarette.
1582
01:12:09,092 --> 01:12:12,632
She's tried all the other
modalities of cessation.
1583
01:12:12,629 --> 01:12:14,699
They said, "no, it's illegal."
1584
01:12:14,698 --> 01:12:18,828
So that is sending
her to an early death.
1585
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:23,810
- Twenty countries have
now banned e-cigarettes
1586
01:12:23,807 --> 01:12:26,037
Thanks to, due to world
health organization
1587
01:12:26,042 --> 01:12:27,042
Telling them to.
1588
01:12:27,043 --> 01:12:29,683
- In hong kong it's
a $12,000 fine.
1589
01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:31,949
And/or up to two years in jail.
1590
01:12:31,948 --> 01:12:34,148
In brunei, it's $10,000.
1591
01:12:34,150 --> 01:12:36,020
This is happening
all over the world
1592
01:12:36,019 --> 01:12:39,049
Where countries have banned,
or heavily restricted vaping.
1593
01:12:39,055 --> 01:12:40,715
- And you're doing
nothing about smoking.
1594
01:12:40,724 --> 01:12:43,064
So you're in a place where
you can get cigarettes
1595
01:12:43,059 --> 01:12:44,059
Everywhere
1596
01:12:44,060 --> 01:12:46,530
But you cannot get e-cigarettes.
1597
01:12:46,529 --> 01:12:51,029
- By banning all these
least hazardous alternatives
1598
01:12:51,034 --> 01:12:53,574
They're actually protecting
cigarette markets.
1599
01:12:53,570 --> 01:12:55,570
- A vaper...
1600
01:12:55,572 --> 01:12:56,842
From dubai.
1601
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,140
He was telling me that
he had quit smoking
1602
01:12:59,142 --> 01:13:01,212
Two years ago with e-cigarettes.
1603
01:13:01,211 --> 01:13:04,351
But, he was forced,
1604
01:13:04,347 --> 01:13:10,217
By the government, due
to the ban, to illegally
1605
01:13:10,220 --> 01:13:15,160
Introduce e-cigarette
products in the country
1606
01:13:15,158 --> 01:13:18,388
In order for him to
stay off cigarettes.
1607
01:13:18,395 --> 01:13:22,695
So, you are forcing someone
to become, to do some
1608
01:13:22,699 --> 01:13:25,699
Illegal actions in order to
stay away from cigarettes.
1609
01:13:25,702 --> 01:13:29,442
And I don't see any reasoning
1610
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,269
And any common
sense behind that.
1611
01:13:32,275 --> 01:13:35,075
- In some countries you
need a prescription to vape.
1612
01:13:35,078 --> 01:13:37,108
But you can go to the
store and buy cigarettes.
1613
01:13:37,113 --> 01:13:39,253
In australia, they ban vaping
liquids that have nicotine
1614
01:13:39,249 --> 01:13:42,419
In them because they say
nicotine is a poison.
1615
01:13:42,419 --> 01:13:45,789
Yet they sell nicotine gum
right in convenience stores
1616
01:13:45,789 --> 01:13:47,689
Without any sort
of prescription.
1617
01:13:47,690 --> 01:13:51,130
- Then three black suvs
1618
01:13:51,127 --> 01:13:53,227
Raided my house.
1619
01:13:53,229 --> 01:13:57,399
They had a search warrant,
a search and seizure warrant.
1620
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,800
And they came in and they
went through all my things.
1621
01:14:01,805 --> 01:14:05,435
They bagged and tagged
everything they could find
1622
01:14:05,442 --> 01:14:08,482
Related to electronic
cigarettes.
1623
01:14:08,478 --> 01:14:12,078
And, yeah, they
took all my stuff.
1624
01:14:12,081 --> 01:14:16,051
It was horrible, it
was a scene out of like
1625
01:14:16,052 --> 01:14:18,992
It was like, it was like
they thought I was some sort
1626
01:14:18,988 --> 01:14:20,758
Of columbian drug cartel,
or something.
1627
01:14:20,757 --> 01:14:23,117
They were alleging that
I breached an obscure
1628
01:14:23,126 --> 01:14:26,056
Tobacco control act, a law
1629
01:14:26,062 --> 01:14:28,262
That said, it is
illegal to sell product
1630
01:14:28,264 --> 01:14:30,234
That is not a tobacco product
1631
01:14:30,233 --> 01:14:34,143
But is designed to
resemble a tobacco product.
1632
01:14:34,137 --> 01:14:35,837
Um yeah.
1633
01:14:35,839 --> 01:14:38,509
The law wasn't written to
block electronic cigarettes.
1634
01:14:38,508 --> 01:14:42,178
The law was written to
block candy cigarettes,
1635
01:14:42,178 --> 01:14:43,948
You know those little
white cigarettes
1636
01:14:43,947 --> 01:14:45,277
With the little
red ends on them.
1637
01:14:45,281 --> 01:14:46,811
That's what the law
was written for.
1638
01:14:46,816 --> 01:14:49,276
And the health department
were trying to stretch
1639
01:14:49,285 --> 01:14:51,515
This law and then
use it to block
1640
01:14:51,521 --> 01:14:54,421
The lifesaving
technology it was insane.
1641
01:14:54,424 --> 01:14:56,294
But nonetheless, they
took all my things
1642
01:14:56,292 --> 01:14:58,362
And I had to shut
the business down.
1643
01:14:58,361 --> 01:15:01,031
It was horrible
after all the success
1644
01:15:01,030 --> 01:15:03,300
And seeing the difference
I was making in so many
1645
01:15:03,299 --> 01:15:06,169
People's lives, to have it
shut down and taken away
1646
01:15:06,169 --> 01:15:09,339
Like that was just,
it was just horrible.
1647
01:15:09,339 --> 01:15:11,939
I felt, I couldn't let this go.
1648
01:15:11,941 --> 01:15:14,481
If I had given up at
that point in time,
1649
01:15:14,477 --> 01:15:15,377
It was over.
1650
01:15:15,378 --> 01:15:17,348
A precedent would have been set
1651
01:15:17,347 --> 01:15:20,277
Banning the sale
of these devices.
1652
01:15:20,283 --> 01:15:23,153
I can't possibly
explain what it's like
1653
01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:25,852
To tell your family that
1654
01:15:25,855 --> 01:15:27,285
You're gonna push
ahead with this thing
1655
01:15:27,290 --> 01:15:30,320
Even though it's probably
gonna bankrupt you.
1656
01:15:30,326 --> 01:15:31,556
But you're simply gonna
do it because it's
1657
01:15:31,561 --> 01:15:33,061
The right thing to do.
1658
01:15:35,097 --> 01:15:38,867
And then at the end,
after you do it all
1659
01:15:38,868 --> 01:15:40,498
And you go through all
of these sacrifices
1660
01:15:40,503 --> 01:15:42,343
And all of this pain
1661
01:15:42,338 --> 01:15:45,708
And all the fights
and arguments,
1662
01:15:45,708 --> 01:15:48,138
The court simply
ignores the argument
1663
01:15:48,144 --> 01:15:49,644
And simply finds you guilty.
1664
01:15:49,646 --> 01:15:51,876
The lives of millions of
australians and billions
1665
01:15:51,881 --> 01:15:54,151
Of people worldwide
don't appear to matter
1666
01:15:54,150 --> 01:15:55,920
In this situation.
1667
01:15:55,919 --> 01:15:58,049
It seems to be about money.
1668
01:15:58,054 --> 01:15:59,594
Somebody's got an agenda.
1669
01:15:59,589 --> 01:16:01,589
And it isn't about us.
1670
01:16:07,529 --> 01:16:09,599
Don't let the bastards win.
1671
01:16:16,939 --> 01:16:19,009
I think that's all for now.
1672
01:16:32,287 --> 01:16:35,187
- One of the biggest
vaping news stories in 2015
1673
01:16:35,191 --> 01:16:38,191
Was when portland state
university came out with a study
1674
01:16:38,194 --> 01:16:41,434
Showing that there was
more formaldehyde in vapor
1675
01:16:41,431 --> 01:16:43,031
Than in cigarettes.
1676
01:16:43,032 --> 01:16:46,432
- formaldehyde study
basically was a fraud.
1677
01:16:46,436 --> 01:16:48,436
The person who did it...
1678
01:16:50,706 --> 01:16:53,236
Set the pv on a wrong setting
1679
01:16:53,242 --> 01:16:57,712
And it would dry puff,
no vaper could use it.
1680
01:16:57,714 --> 01:17:00,254
- All the way up to
12, I'm not trying this
1681
01:17:00,249 --> 01:17:03,319
All the way through.
1682
01:17:05,989 --> 01:17:10,489
Wish me luck.
1683
01:17:17,333 --> 01:17:18,633
It can't be done.
1684
01:17:18,635 --> 01:17:21,235
- But they made a
machine inhale it.
1685
01:17:21,237 --> 01:17:23,597
And then they assumed
this machine would inhale
1686
01:17:23,606 --> 01:17:26,606
So many, hundreds of
inhales every hour
1687
01:17:26,609 --> 01:17:28,309
For the rest of their life
1688
01:17:28,311 --> 01:17:31,411
For 75 years they
projected it out to be.
1689
01:17:31,414 --> 01:17:34,254
And they added up
all these dry puffs
1690
01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:37,250
Of the machine dry puffing
for 75 years in a row.
1691
01:17:37,253 --> 01:17:39,323
And then said it might
be more carcinogenic
1692
01:17:39,322 --> 01:17:40,922
Than cigarette smoking.
1693
01:17:40,923 --> 01:17:42,363
But, it was a fraud.
1694
01:17:42,358 --> 01:17:45,588
A lot of these researchers,
they're mostly funded
1695
01:17:45,595 --> 01:17:46,755
By the federal government.
1696
01:17:46,763 --> 01:17:48,333
The food and drug administration
1697
01:17:48,331 --> 01:17:49,801
And the department of
health and human services
1698
01:17:49,799 --> 01:17:51,329
Through the national
institutes of health
1699
01:17:51,334 --> 01:17:53,504
And through the centers
for disease control
1700
01:17:53,503 --> 01:17:56,443
Are funding most of the
people who are trying
1701
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:57,809
To ban e-cigarettes.
1702
01:17:57,807 --> 01:18:00,307
And they're funding them
to go out and lobby to ban
1703
01:18:00,309 --> 01:18:01,639
E-cigarettes.
1704
01:18:01,644 --> 01:18:03,284
- Even though it's
completely illegal
1705
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:05,879
The cdc gave grants to the
washington state chapter
1706
01:18:05,882 --> 01:18:07,952
Of the american lung association
1707
01:18:07,950 --> 01:18:10,280
Who used that
money for lobbying.
1708
01:18:10,286 --> 01:18:11,786
This is what happened.
1709
01:18:11,788 --> 01:18:14,158
- king five news.
1710
01:18:14,157 --> 01:18:18,287
- For so many adults,
this has been a life
1711
01:18:18,294 --> 01:18:20,134
Changing intervention.
1712
01:18:20,129 --> 01:18:22,559
- now at 6:30 a
heated hearing in olympia
1713
01:18:22,565 --> 01:18:24,625
As the state tries to become
the first in the nation
1714
01:18:24,634 --> 01:18:27,704
To regulate e-cigarettes
like tobacco.
1715
01:18:27,704 --> 01:18:29,574
Staff bureau chief drew
nicholson looks at the proposal
1716
01:18:29,572 --> 01:18:31,812
That would make
washington's vaping laws
1717
01:18:31,808 --> 01:18:33,668
Some of the toughest
in the country.
1718
01:18:33,676 --> 01:18:35,306
- It's a violation
of federal law
1719
01:18:35,311 --> 01:18:38,051
To use federal funding
to lobby for laws.
1720
01:18:38,047 --> 01:18:39,547
But it's been going on.
1721
01:18:39,549 --> 01:18:42,479
The cdcs been warned
about it by the department
1722
01:18:42,485 --> 01:18:47,385
Of health and human
inspector general report.
1723
01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:49,720
They had hearings in
front of the us house
1724
01:18:49,726 --> 01:18:53,086
Of representatives, energy and
commerce committee on this.
1725
01:18:53,096 --> 01:18:56,356
The tom freiden was
warned that he could not
1726
01:18:56,365 --> 01:18:58,325
Insist in his grants
giving out the
1727
01:18:58,334 --> 01:19:01,674
State health departments
that they lobby for laws.
1728
01:19:01,671 --> 01:19:03,001
He was putting it in the grapes
1729
01:19:03,005 --> 01:19:04,535
And it's a violation
of federal law.
1730
01:19:04,540 --> 01:19:07,710
So this has been going on,
this is why all these cities,
1731
01:19:07,710 --> 01:19:09,610
Municipal health departments,
and state health department
1732
01:19:09,612 --> 01:19:11,612
Directors have come
out calling for bans on
1733
01:19:11,614 --> 01:19:13,584
E-cigarettes because
they don't want to lose
1734
01:19:13,583 --> 01:19:15,283
Their cdc funding.
1735
01:19:15,284 --> 01:19:17,284
And why these researchers
keep coming out
1736
01:19:17,286 --> 01:19:18,916
Every researcher that
comes out and generates
1737
01:19:18,921 --> 01:19:22,191
A news story saying e-cigarettes
contain toxic chemicals
1738
01:19:22,191 --> 01:19:25,361
Gets another 10 million
dollar grant from the fda
1739
01:19:25,361 --> 01:19:28,061
Or the national
institutes of health.
1740
01:19:28,064 --> 01:19:30,604
- Nothing motivates
people quite like fear.
1741
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,070
Especially when it
involves their children.
1742
01:19:33,069 --> 01:19:34,969
- You know this recent
report found nearly
1743
01:19:34,971 --> 01:19:37,371
Two million middle school
and high school students
1744
01:19:37,373 --> 01:19:40,473
Have tried electronic
cigarettes, or e-cigarettes.
1745
01:19:40,476 --> 01:19:42,436
That set off some alarm
bells and this week
1746
01:19:42,445 --> 01:19:45,205
40 state attorney's
general called on the us
1747
01:19:45,214 --> 01:19:48,324
Food and drug administration
to regulate these cigs
1748
01:19:48,317 --> 01:19:49,977
Just like it regulates tobacco.
1749
01:19:49,986 --> 01:19:52,986
- The federal health
agencies goals
1750
01:19:52,989 --> 01:19:56,589
Was hoping by year
2020 that we could get
1751
01:19:56,592 --> 01:19:59,492
The past month smoking
rate among youth
1752
01:19:59,495 --> 01:20:01,425
Down to 16%.
1753
01:20:01,430 --> 01:20:04,400
It's down below 10% now.
1754
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,730
Five years ahead of schedule.
1755
01:20:06,736 --> 01:20:09,266
And it's because
of e-cigarettes.
1756
01:20:09,272 --> 01:20:11,942
- The regulatory authorities
then confused the water
1757
01:20:11,941 --> 01:20:15,281
By saying, well,
maybe it reduces harm
1758
01:20:15,278 --> 01:20:16,978
But maybe it doesn't.
1759
01:20:16,979 --> 01:20:18,909
And we definitely
need more research.
1760
01:20:18,915 --> 01:20:20,845
But of course, we need more
research on everything.
1761
01:20:20,850 --> 01:20:22,920
- What do you think,
is it a question
1762
01:20:22,919 --> 01:20:26,489
Are they bad for you, or
we just still don't know?
1763
01:20:26,489 --> 01:20:29,619
- I think what we
can say basically is
1764
01:20:29,625 --> 01:20:32,355
They might be or might not
be able to help you quit.
1765
01:20:32,361 --> 01:20:35,861
But there are definite
harms that they can cause.
1766
01:20:35,865 --> 01:20:38,825
And those definite harms are
in different environments.
1767
01:20:38,835 --> 01:20:41,595
So if they get kids
hooked on nicotine
1768
01:20:41,604 --> 01:20:42,874
That's a really bad thing.
1769
01:20:42,872 --> 01:20:45,512
- Virtually all the
daily users of teenagers
1770
01:20:45,508 --> 01:20:49,178
Are either smokers, or
people who used to smoke.
1771
01:20:49,178 --> 01:20:53,278
And the problem is, the
researchers aren't disclosing
1772
01:20:53,282 --> 01:20:55,622
A lot of this daily use data.
1773
01:20:55,618 --> 01:20:58,448
So the only two surveys
have ever asked people,
1774
01:20:58,454 --> 01:21:01,324
Did you vape nicotine,
or no nicotine?
1775
01:21:01,324 --> 01:21:03,824
And they found 96%
of all non-smokers
1776
01:21:03,826 --> 01:21:06,126
Who had ever used an
e-cigarette in their life
1777
01:21:06,128 --> 01:21:08,658
Used no nicotine e-cigarettes.
1778
01:21:08,664 --> 01:21:11,074
- You've called this deeply
troubling in the past.
1779
01:21:11,067 --> 01:21:13,127
And, why?
1780
01:21:13,135 --> 01:21:16,535
Well, if you start
with e-cigarettes
1781
01:21:16,539 --> 01:21:19,309
There's a real likelihood
that you will become
1782
01:21:19,308 --> 01:21:20,668
Nicotine addicted.
1783
01:21:20,676 --> 01:21:23,676
- So called gateway effect
is used as a reason why
1784
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:26,249
E-cigarettes should not be used.
1785
01:21:26,249 --> 01:21:29,419
If children start with
e-cigarettes that leads
1786
01:21:29,418 --> 01:21:32,688
As a gateway to stronger
drugs and to smoking.
1787
01:21:32,688 --> 01:21:34,518
There's no evidence
to back it up yet.
1788
01:21:34,523 --> 01:21:36,763
- Just applying first
principles to it.
1789
01:21:36,759 --> 01:21:39,589
If a product has
mainly only nicotine
1790
01:21:39,595 --> 01:21:42,155
And another one has
nicotine and tar
1791
01:21:42,164 --> 01:21:45,534
I don't think you need a
long-term 10 year study to say
1792
01:21:45,534 --> 01:21:48,404
The former is definitely a
better choice for a smoker
1793
01:21:48,404 --> 01:21:50,274
Who wants to quit,
than the latter.
1794
01:21:50,273 --> 01:21:52,743
- You don't think that
they had something
1795
01:21:52,742 --> 01:21:56,512
So solid that vaping
and e-cigs were deadly
1796
01:21:56,512 --> 01:21:59,912
And harmful, the
formaldehyde, the carcinogens,
1797
01:21:59,916 --> 01:22:02,216
The nico, the--
it's all bullshit.
1798
01:22:02,218 --> 01:22:05,348
- If you look at
the united kingdom
1799
01:22:05,354 --> 01:22:08,724
E-cigarette users up
to the end of last year
1800
01:22:08,724 --> 01:22:12,364
70% of them thought
that e-cigarettes
1801
01:22:12,361 --> 01:22:14,701
Were safer than
standard cigarettes.
1802
01:22:14,697 --> 01:22:16,527
That was their perception.
1803
01:22:16,532 --> 01:22:18,602
And in the space of six
months, that's dropped down
1804
01:22:18,601 --> 01:22:22,041
To an perception
rate of about 43%.
1805
01:22:22,038 --> 01:22:26,638
So through the misinformation,
bad science
1806
01:22:26,642 --> 01:22:27,742
It's hurt the category.
1807
01:22:27,743 --> 01:22:30,083
- Let me ask about the
other people who are
1808
01:22:30,079 --> 01:22:32,579
Around people who may
be smoking e-cigarettes.
1809
01:22:32,581 --> 01:22:34,781
Is the idea of secondhand
smoke, I mean we know about
1810
01:22:34,784 --> 01:22:36,754
That with cigarettes,
but some researchers say
1811
01:22:36,752 --> 01:22:39,822
The amount of potential
carcinogens in the vapor
1812
01:22:39,822 --> 01:22:42,462
Potentially is extremely minute
1813
01:22:42,458 --> 01:22:44,118
That it's insignificant in fact.
1814
01:22:44,126 --> 01:22:46,086
I mean, do you
disagree with that?
1815
01:22:46,095 --> 01:22:48,395
- Well we don't know what's
in more than 200 different
1816
01:22:48,397 --> 01:22:49,927
E-cigarette products out there.
1817
01:22:49,932 --> 01:22:52,002
What we do know is
that there is nicotine.
1818
01:22:52,001 --> 01:22:55,171
- They should be accurate
and responsible communication
1819
01:22:55,171 --> 01:22:58,441
Of the facts to the consumer.
1820
01:22:58,441 --> 01:23:02,181
And such a responsible agency
1821
01:23:02,178 --> 01:23:04,308
Would need to weigh their
words very carefully.
1822
01:23:04,313 --> 01:23:06,583
- The dangers of
e-cigarettes are clear.
1823
01:23:06,582 --> 01:23:09,452
Today's electronic
cigarettes are no better
1824
01:23:09,452 --> 01:23:11,992
Than the joe camels of the past.
1825
01:23:29,971 --> 01:23:34,511
- If all the smokers
of cigarettes today
1826
01:23:34,510 --> 01:23:37,710
Switched to
e-cigarettes tomorrow,
1827
01:23:37,713 --> 01:23:42,953
The billion lives
will definitely be
significantly reduced.
1828
01:23:42,952 --> 01:23:45,292
- It's the smoking
that kills people.
1829
01:23:45,287 --> 01:23:47,187
It's not the nicotine.
1830
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:50,389
People smoke for the
nicotine, but they die
1831
01:23:50,393 --> 01:23:51,963
Because they inhale smoke.
1832
01:23:51,961 --> 01:23:54,131
- We have none of
the tar, the smoke,
1833
01:23:54,130 --> 01:23:57,830
Or the 4,000 plus chemicals
going into your body.
1834
01:23:57,833 --> 01:24:00,633
- There's no evidence
that vaping has caused
1835
01:24:00,636 --> 01:24:02,796
Or associated with any disease.
1836
01:24:02,805 --> 01:24:04,465
And we know that it's
helped several million
1837
01:24:04,473 --> 01:24:07,543
People quit smoking.
1838
01:24:07,543 --> 01:24:09,883
- So the billion lives
that we're trying to save,
1839
01:24:09,879 --> 01:24:11,809
Better do a hell of a lot
more than we're doing now
1840
01:24:11,814 --> 01:24:13,914
Because right now the
army isn't big enough.
1841
01:24:13,916 --> 01:24:15,746
A lot of people don't even
want to fight the war anymore
1842
01:24:15,751 --> 01:24:17,851
Because we're, it's
an uphill battle.
1843
01:24:17,853 --> 01:24:20,053
People are exhausted
and tired and frustrated
1844
01:24:20,056 --> 01:24:21,416
And angry and pissed off
1845
01:24:21,424 --> 01:24:23,924
And upset with the fact
that we can't fix it
1846
01:24:23,926 --> 01:24:25,926
Because it's truthful,
and it's right.
1847
01:24:25,928 --> 01:24:27,558
- But things are
not looking good.
1848
01:24:27,563 --> 01:24:30,603
- the numbers now
show that e-cigarette sales
1849
01:24:30,599 --> 01:24:31,699
Are down.
1850
01:24:31,700 --> 01:24:33,230
- Europe just passed
all kinds of rules.
1851
01:24:33,235 --> 01:24:35,835
They're gonna take beneficial
products off the shelves
1852
01:24:35,838 --> 01:24:38,438
And out of the lives
of thousands of people
1853
01:24:38,441 --> 01:24:39,941
Who are trying to quit smoking.
1854
01:24:39,942 --> 01:24:42,612
- It will close down the market
1855
01:24:42,611 --> 01:24:44,041
For the independents.
1856
01:24:44,046 --> 01:24:48,916
It will hand a majority
control to the tobacco industry
1857
01:24:48,918 --> 01:24:52,748
Who are producing devices.
1858
01:24:52,755 --> 01:24:57,255
And I think it will
be a damaging thing
1859
01:24:57,259 --> 01:24:59,729
To the whole of the
vaping industry.
1860
01:24:59,728 --> 01:25:02,628
I'm very disappointed in
the way things are going.
1861
01:25:02,631 --> 01:25:04,771
- Here in poland we have
1862
01:25:04,767 --> 01:25:06,897
Over one million vapers.
1863
01:25:06,902 --> 01:25:10,272
And we estimate that
1864
01:25:10,272 --> 01:25:12,742
After that
1865
01:25:12,741 --> 01:25:15,141
Heavy legislation
1866
01:25:15,144 --> 01:25:18,084
It will be 500,000,
1867
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,150
Not more
1868
01:25:19,148 --> 01:25:21,148
Or even, even less.
1869
01:25:21,150 --> 01:25:24,890
We are trying to find a way
1870
01:25:24,887 --> 01:25:26,217
To
1871
01:25:26,222 --> 01:25:28,622
Fight.
1872
01:25:28,624 --> 01:25:33,064
It's not easy
because ppds already
1873
01:25:33,062 --> 01:25:36,062
A law in the european union.
1874
01:25:36,065 --> 01:25:37,825
- In the us the same thing.
1875
01:25:37,833 --> 01:25:40,403
The fda just passed
all kinds of new rules
1876
01:25:40,402 --> 01:25:42,602
That will keep millions
of people smoking.
1877
01:25:42,605 --> 01:25:46,105
- The fda has estimated that 90,
1878
01:25:46,108 --> 01:25:48,338
More than 98.5%
1879
01:25:48,344 --> 01:25:50,184
Of all e-cigarette
products on the market
1880
01:25:50,179 --> 01:25:52,609
Will be banned by
their regulation.
1881
01:25:52,615 --> 01:25:54,275
All e-liquid will be banned.
1882
01:25:54,283 --> 01:25:57,023
This is not a proposed
regulation to protect children
1883
01:25:57,019 --> 01:26:01,919
As the fda has presented it
falsely to the news media.
1884
01:26:01,924 --> 01:26:03,764
It's prohibition plan b.
1885
01:26:03,759 --> 01:26:05,459
- You know what
the fda's gonna do,
1886
01:26:05,461 --> 01:26:06,961
You know what eu's gonna do,
1887
01:26:06,962 --> 01:26:08,262
You know what
germany's gonna do,
1888
01:26:08,264 --> 01:26:09,464
You know what
malaysia's gonna do,
1889
01:26:09,465 --> 01:26:10,625
You know what brazil's gonna do,
1890
01:26:10,633 --> 01:26:11,773
You know what
argentina's gonna do.
1891
01:26:11,767 --> 01:26:13,997
We all know, the die is cast,
1892
01:26:14,003 --> 01:26:16,273
The cast is formed,
the stage is set
1893
01:26:16,272 --> 01:26:18,112
And the script is written.
1894
01:26:18,107 --> 01:26:19,607
End of story.
1895
01:26:19,608 --> 01:26:20,768
Why?
1896
01:26:20,776 --> 01:26:25,306
Because nobody cares.
1897
01:26:25,314 --> 01:26:26,814
- A billion lives.
1898
01:26:26,815 --> 01:26:28,975
A billion lives, a
billion people with names.
1899
01:26:28,984 --> 01:26:30,854
They each have a name.
1900
01:26:30,853 --> 01:26:33,953
And if you and I were
in discussion with them,
1901
01:26:33,956 --> 01:26:36,786
Would it not be fair and
responsible to provide
1902
01:26:36,792 --> 01:26:38,662
Them with the right information?
1903
01:26:38,661 --> 01:26:42,231
The question is, how much
evidence is sufficient
1904
01:26:42,231 --> 01:26:45,701
For that one person
sitting in front of you?
1905
01:26:45,701 --> 01:26:48,801
So if you the nurse, or the
pharmacist, or the dentist,
1906
01:26:48,804 --> 01:26:51,004
And it's your patient,
and they ask you,
1907
01:26:51,006 --> 01:26:53,666
"I'd like to use an
e-cigarette, what's your view?"
1908
01:26:53,676 --> 01:26:55,576
Then you can't say, "well,
1909
01:26:55,578 --> 01:26:57,808
"we need to do more research."
1910
01:26:57,813 --> 01:26:59,813
That's just not helpful.
1911
01:26:59,815 --> 01:27:01,415
It's irresponsible.
1912
01:27:01,417 --> 01:27:03,977
- The public needs to know the
truth about these products.
1913
01:27:03,986 --> 01:27:06,146
- And they need public health
people telling the truth
1914
01:27:06,155 --> 01:27:07,415
About the risks.
1915
01:27:07,423 --> 01:27:09,823
At least 95% less
risky than smoking.
1916
01:27:09,825 --> 01:27:12,025
- If we look at the
history of public health,
1917
01:27:12,027 --> 01:27:15,027
The biggest breakthroughs
are associated historically
1918
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:17,660
With two really
really simple things.
1919
01:27:17,666 --> 01:27:19,726
One, you give people enough
information that they
1920
01:27:19,735 --> 01:27:21,095
Can make an informed
decision about
1921
01:27:21,103 --> 01:27:22,543
What they're gonna do.
1922
01:27:22,538 --> 01:27:23,898
And two, you give them
the ability to act
1923
01:27:23,906 --> 01:27:25,266
On that information.
1924
01:27:25,274 --> 01:27:26,844
- It's a crime
1925
01:27:26,842 --> 01:27:29,042
Not to tell the billion people
1926
01:27:29,044 --> 01:27:30,914
Who will lose their life
1927
01:27:30,913 --> 01:27:33,013
Because they smoke,
1928
01:27:33,015 --> 01:27:34,345
Of the alternative.
1929
01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:35,620
- we are losing.
1930
01:27:35,618 --> 01:27:38,048
We are losing fast
and furious and big
1931
01:27:38,053 --> 01:27:39,123
And who's gonna lose?
1932
01:27:39,121 --> 01:27:40,951
The smokers, again.
1933
01:27:40,956 --> 01:27:43,416
Who are now trying
to transition over
1934
01:27:43,425 --> 01:27:45,255
When they've been asked
and begged and cried for
1935
01:27:45,261 --> 01:27:46,861
For years and years and
now we have something
1936
01:27:46,862 --> 01:27:48,902
That's viable, and we're
not giving it to them.
1937
01:27:48,897 --> 01:27:49,897
It's just shameful.
1938
01:27:49,898 --> 01:27:51,468
It's embarrassing.
1939
01:27:51,467 --> 01:27:53,867
This is not how people
should treat other people.
1940
01:27:53,869 --> 01:27:55,869
Especially under the
guise of public health
1941
01:27:55,871 --> 01:27:58,271
And compassion and
love and liberty
1942
01:27:58,274 --> 01:28:00,644
And freedom and all
that.
1943
01:28:00,643 --> 01:28:01,983
You know, I'm sick of it.
1944
01:28:01,977 --> 01:28:05,977
- What we have here is
that the best kept secret
1945
01:28:05,981 --> 01:28:10,721
In tobacco cessation,
tobacco reduction
1946
01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:14,489
Is the use of safer
alternative nicotine products.
1947
01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:17,460
And that consumers
are denied that right.
1948
01:28:17,459 --> 01:28:21,829
- We have this huge glaring
opportunity to do something
1949
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:26,970
That would sort of rival
eradication of small pox,
1950
01:28:26,969 --> 01:28:29,669
Or dealing with
cholera, sanitation
1951
01:28:29,672 --> 01:28:32,012
Is one of the biggest
public health breakthroughs
1952
01:28:32,007 --> 01:28:34,007
We've ever had.
1953
01:28:34,009 --> 01:28:36,079
And it's staring us in the face.
1954
01:28:36,078 --> 01:28:39,078
And it's not
conceptually difficult.
1955
01:28:39,081 --> 01:28:40,981
And we've got examples
of where it's worked
1956
01:28:40,983 --> 01:28:42,783
And we look at things
like swedish snus.
1957
01:28:42,785 --> 01:28:45,415
We have proof of concept
that people can get
1958
01:28:45,421 --> 01:28:47,421
Their nicotine in far
less hazardous ways
1959
01:28:47,423 --> 01:28:49,123
And be just fine with it.
1960
01:28:49,124 --> 01:28:52,264
Uh, and it hasn't happened yet.
1961
01:29:01,102 --> 01:29:04,102
- And I guess really
what prompted me
1962
01:29:04,106 --> 01:29:06,936
To want to quit
1963
01:29:06,942 --> 01:29:10,042
Was seeing my uncle
1964
01:29:10,045 --> 01:29:12,875
Dying of lung cancer.
1965
01:29:12,881 --> 01:29:16,351
And without a shadow of a doubt
1966
01:29:16,352 --> 01:29:21,522
He was the most genuine
1967
01:29:21,523 --> 01:29:28,133
And kind-hearted person
1968
01:29:28,130 --> 01:29:32,700
I've ever known in my life.
1969
01:29:32,701 --> 01:29:34,901
- People are gonna die.
1970
01:29:34,903 --> 01:29:36,243
People are gonna get sick.
1971
01:29:36,238 --> 01:29:38,908
There are people who should
have had the opportunity
1972
01:29:38,907 --> 01:29:40,667
To grow old.
1973
01:29:40,676 --> 01:29:43,506
To be part of their
grandchildren's lives.
1974
01:29:43,512 --> 01:29:46,252
I knew firsthand the
experience that I had had
1975
01:29:46,248 --> 01:29:48,178
And how dramatic the
change in my life
1976
01:29:48,183 --> 01:29:49,423
And my health had been.
1977
01:29:49,418 --> 01:29:52,218
I'd seen dozens of
friends and family members,
1978
01:29:52,221 --> 01:29:54,521
Actually hundreds, really,
in the end of lives
1979
01:29:54,523 --> 01:29:56,223
That have been directly changed
1980
01:29:56,225 --> 01:29:58,425
By using these devices.
1981
01:29:58,427 --> 01:30:01,257
And the health department,
like that's their name
1982
01:30:01,263 --> 01:30:04,903
The health department
were banning them.
1983
01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:06,930
You can still buy cigarettes.
1984
01:30:06,935 --> 01:30:09,095
You know, buy and use any
tobacco product you like
1985
01:30:09,104 --> 01:30:10,904
But you can't buy
the alternative
1986
01:30:10,906 --> 01:30:13,766
That we know is
significantly, I mean like
1987
01:30:13,776 --> 01:30:17,706
Over 95% safer.
1988
01:30:17,713 --> 01:30:21,753
- And really I
just, I didn't want
1989
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:25,890
My children to have
to see me that way.
1990
01:30:25,888 --> 01:30:28,218
I wanted to be
1991
01:30:28,223 --> 01:30:30,723
Able to be there
1992
01:30:30,726 --> 01:30:34,186
For them more in the future
1993
01:30:34,196 --> 01:30:38,056
And extend my life
1994
01:30:38,066 --> 01:30:40,066
For them.
1995
01:30:40,068 --> 01:30:43,298
And, essentially that
1996
01:30:43,305 --> 01:30:45,035
Is what vaping has done.
1997
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:50,040
Vaping has helped me to
quit smoking cigarettes.
1998
01:30:50,045 --> 01:30:55,075
And for that, I am thankful.
1999
01:30:55,083 --> 01:30:57,423
- a billion
lives are at stake.
2000
01:30:57,419 --> 01:30:59,319
The status quo is winning.
2001
01:30:59,321 --> 01:31:02,261
Smoking is strong.
2002
01:31:02,257 --> 01:31:07,157
The battle rages on
even as you watch this.
2003
01:31:07,162 --> 01:31:08,632
Big business and government
are working together
2004
01:31:08,630 --> 01:31:10,960
All over the world
to serve the few
2005
01:31:10,966 --> 01:31:13,166
At the expense of the many.
2006
01:31:13,168 --> 01:31:15,268
We see so many examples.
2007
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:16,900
In our food system.
2008
01:31:16,905 --> 01:31:18,335
Our medicine.
2009
01:31:18,340 --> 01:31:20,270
And now we see it in
the push to preserve
2010
01:31:20,275 --> 01:31:23,235
Smoking and its cash flow.
2011
01:31:23,245 --> 01:31:27,075
To condemn a billion
people to death.
2012
01:31:27,082 --> 01:31:29,252
Billions of mourning kids.
2013
01:31:29,251 --> 01:31:33,291
Billions of broken hearts.
2014
01:31:33,288 --> 01:31:35,658
We can choose a better approach.
2015
01:31:35,657 --> 01:31:38,087
We can end fear-mongering.
2016
01:31:38,093 --> 01:31:41,033
We can help our
neighbors live better.
2017
01:31:41,029 --> 01:31:44,969
We can help our
neighbors live longer.
2018
01:31:44,967 --> 01:31:47,627
And we must.
2019
01:31:47,636 --> 01:31:51,536
♪ I've heard a lot of
funny stories and opinions
2020
01:31:51,540 --> 01:31:58,180
♪ now to get the
whole thing straight
2021
01:31:58,180 --> 01:32:00,650
♪ you can't keep a
bunch of hypocrites
2022
01:32:00,649 --> 01:32:07,619
♪ and myers all from
showing their face
2023
01:32:07,623 --> 01:32:12,233
♪ but the damage has been done
2024
01:32:12,227 --> 01:32:15,957
♪ our battle's not quite won
2025
01:32:15,964 --> 01:32:19,504
♪ so let's take
it to the streets
2026
01:32:19,501 --> 01:32:23,571
♪ and sing for the sun
2027
01:32:29,344 --> 01:32:33,754
♪ what happened to
uniting young and old
2028
01:32:33,749 --> 01:32:38,749
♪ we're all equally sick
of doing what we're told
2029
01:32:40,755 --> 01:32:46,085
♪ grab ahold
2030
01:32:46,094 --> 01:32:50,264
♪ and when it comes to
controlling the masses
2031
01:32:50,265 --> 01:32:52,495
♪ they've got us
full of fake routines
2032
01:32:52,501 --> 01:32:57,471
♪ with tv classes
2033
01:32:57,472 --> 01:33:02,412
♪ 3d glasses
2034
01:33:02,411 --> 01:33:06,181
♪ the damage has been done
2035
01:33:06,181 --> 01:33:10,251
♪ our battle's not quite won
2036
01:33:10,252 --> 01:33:14,892
♪ so let's take
it to the streets
2037
01:33:14,890 --> 01:33:18,060
♪ let's take it to the streets
2038
01:33:18,060 --> 01:33:22,100
♪ and sing for the sun
2039
01:33:56,263 --> 01:33:58,803
♪ the sun the sun
2040
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:04,640
♪ the sun the sun
2041
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:06,740
♪ the sun the sun
2042
01:34:06,742 --> 01:34:09,642
♪ the sun the sun
2043
01:34:09,645 --> 01:34:11,845
♪ so what are we gonna do
2044
01:34:11,847 --> 01:34:15,947
♪ to take back our lives
2045
01:34:15,951 --> 01:34:19,951
♪ for the first time
2046
01:34:19,955 --> 01:34:25,425
♪ but not the last time
2047
01:34:25,427 --> 01:34:29,257
♪ because your battle
is not quite won
2048
01:34:29,264 --> 01:34:33,334
♪ oh, let your wisdom
ring loud like guns
2049
01:34:33,335 --> 01:34:37,295
♪ you better run
2050
01:34:37,305 --> 01:34:41,265
♪ you better run yeah
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