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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,520 [recorder clicks and whirs] 2 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:20,039 [Fred] I swore on the kids' lives that I wouldn't shop Rose for what she did. 3 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,000 [ominous music playing] 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,880 {\an8}I'd take the blame and be done with it. 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,680 And then Rose can get the children back, and they could just carry on. 6 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,960 And that's been worrying me. 7 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,880 They know that she's mixed up in it, don't they? 8 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,400 [music fades out] 9 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,839 [typewriter keys click] 10 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,520 [gentle music playing] 11 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,479 [male reporter] Gloucestershire police are facing an increasingly complex task 12 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,960 as the number of bodies recovered in 25 Cromwell Street continues to grow. 13 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,680 The police are still not ruling out the possibility of more discoveries. 14 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,959 So at that point, we had found nine bodies. 15 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:23,079 [ominous music playing] 16 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,679 And we knew there was other members of his family 17 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,279 who were missing and unaccounted for. 18 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,039 So we knew it was a possibility that there was more bodies there. 19 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,159 Early on, the murder squad draw up a family tree, big family tree, 20 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,640 to find out who's missing. 21 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,759 {\an8}And there was a question mark about Fred's first wife, Rena, 22 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,639 [music intensifies] 23 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,720 {\an8}and her daughter, Charmaine. 24 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,000 {\an8}No one's seen her since 1971, over 20 years. 25 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:05,559 [Howard Ogden] Can we recap? 26 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,239 Yesterday, you indicated a field at a place called... 27 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,320 Kempley. 28 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,599 [male officer] Who is buried there? 29 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:14,920 Rena. 30 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,000 Do you reckon you can... you'll be able to take us to the spot then, Fred? 31 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,480 [Fred West] Yeah, it's marked with a tree. 32 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,039 [music turns more gentle] 33 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:27,600 [typewriter keys click] 34 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,159 {\an8}[music fades out] 35 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,800 {\an8}[male officer] That's Mr. West, his solicitor, 36 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,280 {\an8}an entourage of, uh, police officers. 37 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,519 The area that the prisoner was indicating 38 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:52,159 that, uh, the remains will be found 39 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,679 is under the, uh, nearest tree. 40 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,760 [foreboding music playing] 41 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,879 [male reporter] The body of Catherine Costello was found 42 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,639 in a cornfield near Gloucester earlier this week. 43 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:08,119 Police had been digging there after switching their operation from the house 44 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,560 where Mr. West lived and where nine other bodies were found. 45 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,400 [Russ Williams] Without Fred's indication of where Rena Costello is, 46 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,680 we wouldn't have gone and dug up a random field in Much Marcle. 47 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,800 So that information came from Fred. 48 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,600 So the question is, why was Fred telling us that? 49 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,760 And there was more information coming through all the time. 50 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,200 [Janet Leach] So, we actually came back here 51 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,799 late in the evening, 52 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,159 {\an8}and, um, we walked straight across the field. 53 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,720 Um, it was quite dark. 54 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,479 But he really wanted to come back to this field 55 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,520 because this is where Ann McFall was buried. 56 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:58,839 [music fades out] 57 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,440 When I came back from that field and said to Janet that there was a girl, Ann... 58 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,159 - Ann? - Ann McFall. 59 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:06,239 Ann McFall. 60 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,959 [ominous music playing] 61 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,839 Ann McFall was a Scottish teenager 62 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,840 who Fred met in Glasgow when he was with Rena. 63 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,680 She, in fact, becomes the West nanny. 64 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,560 {\an8}And she hadn't been seen since 1967. 65 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,919 You start to think, how many more victims were there? 66 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,439 But all I hope is that all efforts are made to find Ann altogether. 67 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:35,679 They will be. 68 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,040 [Fred West] That's what I want. 69 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,799 [Russ Williams] The police were still in the dark about a lot of things, 70 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,160 so they're still reliant upon Fred providing that information. 71 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,640 He knew the more that he could take on board himself, 72 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,200 {\an8}the less that this was going to come onto Rose. 73 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,199 {\an8}Where the difficulty was always going to be 74 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,199 was the death of Charmaine, 75 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,560 because he was not going to be able to put Rose out of the picture. 76 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,040 What we'd like to know, Fred, is what happened to Charmaine? 77 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,680 Did these dreadful things happen to this little child? 78 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,680 [Fred West] I don't know. 79 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,319 [Russ Williams] When she went missing, 80 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,439 we knew Charmaine lived with Fred and Rose at this previous address, 81 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,480 25 Midland Road. 82 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,480 - We began to search the premises. - [music stops] 83 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,999 {\an8}[male officer] Arriving at the scene at 25 Midland Road, 84 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,640 {\an8}this is Mr. Frederick West. 85 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,639 {\an8}That room wasn't there. 86 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,560 {\an8}- Yeah? - This was a hallway. 87 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,200 {\an8}This was a breakfast room here. 88 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,439 {\an8}[Hazel Savage] Do you realize why you're here? 89 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:06,759 {\an8}[Fred West] Yeah. 90 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,199 {\an8}[Hazel Savage] Tell us, then. 91 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,119 {\an8}[Fred West] To tell you where Charmaine is. 92 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,319 {\an8}[Hazel Savage] Right. We need to know if you can help us at all. 93 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,240 {\an8}[Fred West] Yeah. 94 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,439 {\an8}[Janet Leach] He was sort of looking round the backyard. 95 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,520 [eerie music playing] 96 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,319 {\an8}There was, like, a crack going right up the house, 97 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,839 {\an8}and there was, um, a mark on the wall, 98 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:34,160 and he said that's where Charmaine was, in the middle of the foundations. 99 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,320 {\an8}[Darren Law] Sorry, Fred, Charmaine would have been 100 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,320 {\an8}- in there, where you're indicating? - [Fred West] Yeah. 101 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,920 {\an8}[Darren Law] Can you try and mark it with that? 102 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,439 {\an8}[male officer] How old was she, Fred? 103 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,520 {\an8}[Fred West] She must have been seven or eight. 104 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,799 [male reporter] Dig site number three, and now an 11th body. 105 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,079 Late last night, a few feet under the kitchen foundations 106 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,239 of Frederick West's former home in Gloucester, 107 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,279 they uncovered human remains. 108 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,839 Pathologist Professor Bernard Knight is now examining them in situ. 109 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,760 His initial findings will determine the age and sex of the victim. 110 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,800 [music fades out] 111 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,479 [Darren Law] I don't know if you're aware or not, 112 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,360 Fred, there's been a find at Midland Road. 113 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:41,399 Ah, yes. 114 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,039 Any comment you'd like to make? 115 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,200 Just glad that they found her, that's all. 116 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,279 "Find her." By "her" you mean... 117 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,080 Well, it must be Charmaine. 118 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,279 [dramatic music playing] 119 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,559 Having had all the admissions from Fred, 120 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,239 {\an8}we were still working so hard 121 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,320 {\an8}to get the evidence to prove that Rose was involved. 122 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,280 How did Rose get on with Charmaine? 123 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Well, Rose accepted them as my daughters, as far as I know. 124 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:16,839 As far as you know. 125 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,600 [music ends] 126 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,360 [Scott Canavan] Rose apparently used to abuse Charmaine. 127 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,559 {\an8}I can remember when we were in the house, Fred telling of how Rose used to make her 128 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,079 {\an8}stand on a chair in the kitchen with her hands tied behind her back 129 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,360 for hours and hours on end as a punishment. 130 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:41,960 Did you kill Charmaine, Fred? 131 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,280 No comment. 132 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,080 - Fred, did that happen? - She was my daughter. 133 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,119 Why kill her? 134 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,120 I can't understand that. 135 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,159 I got no comment on that. 136 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,599 But it doesn't make sense to me, Fred. 137 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,719 [dramatic music playing] 138 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,399 Early in the investigation, 139 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,359 they found a box of letters, 140 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,240 including prison letters, between Fred and Rose. 141 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,519 Fred was serving a prison sentence for a petty offense. 142 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,839 And in one of these letters, Rose said to Fred, 143 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:20,279 "Darling, about Charmaine, she likes to be handled rough." 144 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,719 "Why do I have to be the one to do it?" 145 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,800 [music intensifies] 146 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,160 Charmaine started playing up. 147 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,600 Um, got cheeky towards Rose. 148 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,360 I said, "You're just going to have to try and control it until I can come home." 149 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,639 [Russ Williams] The evidence was mounting up 150 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,880 at the time of her death, Fred was likely to have been in prison. 151 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,560 We suspected the person responsible for the death of Charmaine was Rose. 152 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,160 But at that point, we had no way of proving it. 153 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,880 [music fades out] 154 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,080 [gentle ominous music playing] 155 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,119 [man] My job is identifying the dead 156 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,920 and making absolutely sure that we knew which set of remains were which. 157 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,640 What I'm doing is collecting information, 158 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,440 photographs from family, you know, anywhere they can get them. 159 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:42,280 And superimpose it on the remains and look for points of similarity. 160 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,399 So, of course, I need a top-quality photograph 161 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,639 {\an8}and a lot of information in it. 162 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,040 {\an8}And I just wasn't getting it. 163 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,119 You can imagine what they're like, you know, little snapshots. 164 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,480 Faded, a lot of shadow, no teeth showing. 165 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,160 And this set of remains, Charmaine, 166 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,759 I was actually thinking we've got a major problem. 167 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,200 I couldn't determine when this person died. 168 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,080 But if we could get some quality image photographs 169 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,000 that we know are Charmaine, 170 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:24,160 then I might be able to do something. 171 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,520 [music intensifies] 172 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,319 [music fades out] 173 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,120 [man] We were looking at something that was 174 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,520 almost unprecedented in modern times. 175 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,039 We're talking about a period of 30 years, 176 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:56,199 {\an8}of people who were coming into contact with Fred and Rose West 177 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,800 who were not seeing the reality of their lives. 178 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,680 {\an8}The government decided there had to be an inquiry. 179 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,839 {\an8}For me, the task was actually trying to sort out 180 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,399 what actually went on with the children 181 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,440 in that house in Cromwell Street. 182 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,879 {\an8}[Fred West] How come it looks all black and white? 183 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,599 {\an8}[woman] It looks all blue, don't it? 184 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,680 {\an8}[children laughing] 185 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:29,079 {\an8}We felt a lot happier to be at school, where we felt safe, um. 186 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,879 It was a better place to be than to be at home. 187 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,959 [somber music playing] 188 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,239 [Rose] Get these rocks, Steve, they'll be nice. 189 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,480 [child] Hello! 190 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,280 [Stephen West] Mom always disciplined us. 191 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,840 She could never just hit us once and forget it. 192 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:54,479 She would just lose her temper in a big way over just a little thing. 193 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,959 And she wouldn't... 194 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,840 You know, once she started hitting us, I felt she found it hard to stop. 195 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,760 It was always our fault. It was always something we deserved. 196 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,160 It was obvious Mom and Dad didn't want us to say anything to anybody. 197 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:25,079 My girlfriend spoke to a teacher about, um, the beatings that I was having. 198 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,360 Um. 199 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,439 Really, in a way, I wanted them to do something about it, 200 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:34,160 but the risk was that we all split up, and that was something I didn't want. 201 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,719 We didn't have the courage 202 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,800 to be able to come out and say, "Look, this is happening to us." 203 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:49,320 {\an8}[John Fitzgerald] What we found was that the surviving children in the West family 204 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:53,960 {\an8}have experienced some appalling abuse. 205 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,959 {\an8}They know how horrible it could get, 206 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,600 {\an8}and they know that it could have got worse. 207 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,839 Faced with talking to the police, 208 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:13,000 the fear of what could happen must have been extraordinary. 209 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:20,399 [music fades out] 210 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,759 [Hazel Savage] I don't know if you've been told about Mae and Stephen at all? 211 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:24,999 - No. - Right. 212 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,279 They have told us that they are prepared to talk to us 213 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,600 about everything that they know about. 214 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,439 They're not going to lie. Mae's certainly not going to lie, anyway. 215 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,159 - Whatever Mae says will be the dead truth. - Will it? 216 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,160 [Fred West] It will be. Exactly. 217 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,079 [eerie music playing] 218 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,920 Well, Mae has made allegations against you. 219 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,200 I don't believe it. 220 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,759 "About 1985, my dad began to touch 221 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,880 both myself and Heather in an indecent manner." 222 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,480 "He would touch me on a daily basis." 223 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,799 "Heather and I decided that when Dad had first started touching us, 224 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,800 that we would never give in." 225 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,120 "And we were both determined about it." 226 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,400 What about that then, Fred? 227 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,680 No comment. 228 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,479 [John Fitzgerald] If we're really looking for lessons from this particular case, 229 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,040 above all else, the importance of listening to children. 230 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,160 These murders would never have come to light 231 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,960 if it wasn't for the children of the Wests 232 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,040 saying that they had a sister under the patio. 233 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,760 They were brave enough to speak up. 234 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,640 [music fades out] 235 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,799 [Howard Sounes] By this stage, all victims have been recovered and identified. 236 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,159 [dramatic music playing] 237 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,600 That was the end of that part of the murder investigation. 238 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,440 We've got 12 victims, 239 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,720 we've got two suspects, 240 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,680 and now they've got enough evidence to charge Rose. 241 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,159 But she doesn't admit to anything, 242 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,079 so there's no smoking gun in this. 243 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,400 She's blamed her husband, who in turn took all the blame himself. 244 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,600 They were in it together, and they protected each other. 245 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,039 - [typewriter keys click] - [music continues] 246 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,719 [male reporter] Frederick West is driven into Gloucester Magistrates Court. 247 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,879 Just minutes away from a reunion with his wife, Rosemary, 248 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,920 she arrived moments later. 249 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,599 This is the first time they'd seen each other 250 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,840 since they were arrested four months ago. 251 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,359 When I saw her in the holding suite, 252 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:19,519 {\an8}she was maybe a little pensive 253 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,840 {\an8}that she was getting into the dock with Fred West. 254 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,519 [Howard Ogden] He imagined that she'd be maybe blowing him a kiss 255 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:32,240 and they might mooch along the bench to be closer in the dock. 256 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,160 No. 257 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,639 [Howard Sounes] I go down there. Every seat is taken. 258 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,159 Fred West is brought up, so suddenly we see Fred West for the first time. 259 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,719 And I see this stocky, wild-looking man 260 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:51,399 with wild, curly hair, bright blue eyes, broken nose, gappy teeth. 261 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,160 And then Rose is brought up. 262 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,159 When Fred West was escorted into the dock, 263 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,399 he leaned forward and touched her shoulder. 264 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,279 She didn't acknowledge this gesture. 265 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,639 There appeared to be no communication between them, 266 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,639 Rosemary steadfastly ignoring him. 267 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,759 Later, when they were taken down, Fred West again tried to lean over 268 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,519 and touch his wife's back. 269 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,879 This time, the prison officer pushed away his hand. 270 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,519 That was the point. She made it obvious and public 271 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,320 that she was turning against Fred West. 272 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:28,399 [Russ Williams] Whatever Fred was trying to do to help her wasn't working. 273 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,200 So now she needed to distance herself. 274 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,440 [music fades out] 275 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,400 You know what Rose is doing now? Distancing me and her. 276 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,520 See, I'm beginning to wonder, did Rose have any love towards me at all? 277 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,119 Or was I somebody there to use all the time? 278 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:54,799 I was easy touch and do as I'm told and not interfere. 279 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,080 [ominous music playing] 280 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,759 [Russ Williams] He's starting now to see that this relationship is deteriorating 281 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,440 to the point where it may no longer exist. 282 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,360 "Why am I doing this? Why am I taking all the flak?" 283 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,040 [male officer] Right, 284 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,519 I had asked you whether or not there was any other person 285 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:16,800 who was common... 286 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,440 to the 12 bodies. 287 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,280 Well, it's obvious there is, isn't it? Somebody else. 288 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,480 [Howard Sounes] Fred West changes. 289 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,560 He realizes that his wife is betraying him. 290 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:41,359 Fred, monster though he was, is heartbroken, and he falls apart. 291 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:44,679 The reason I could not tell the truth is because I'm protecting somebody 292 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,920 and I am still protecting somebody. 293 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,719 I can't say it no plainer than that. 294 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,039 All I'd ask is a direct answer to a direct question. 295 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,839 Is Rose West the person? 296 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,920 [music intensifies] 297 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,160 The lines were becoming intensely drawn. 298 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,480 Fred West's whole situation was falling apart. 299 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,359 If I'm going to have any chance in this case at all, 300 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:12,400 I've got to go back and tell the truth. 301 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,840 Why should I take the rap? Rose broke every promise she made to me. 302 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,440 But I did none of it on my own. 303 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,880 [music fades out] 304 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:36,480 I hated him. I hated what he did. 305 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,479 It's so unbelievable that you're trying to make sense of it every day. 306 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,560 [somber dramatic music playing] 307 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,360 I asked the police, "Could I see him?" 308 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,560 It was probably one of the hardest things I ever did, to face him. 309 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:56,840 He was just crying. 310 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,200 He was very, very down. 311 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,839 Um, I'd never seen him like that before. 312 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,000 And to see him cry was hard to sort of accept. 313 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:14,600 He told me that he would never tell anybody the whole truth, 314 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,600 that it was worse than I could imagine. 315 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,559 He promised me he would die with them never knowing 316 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,479 the full extent of what he did. 317 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,560 - [music intensifies] - [clock ticking] 318 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,920 [music fades out] 319 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,759 [typewriter keys click] 320 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,280 [news theme tune playing] 321 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,359 Good evening. 322 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:51,799 Frederick West, the Gloucester builder whose home concealed nine corpses, 323 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,040 has been found dead. 324 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,879 [male reporter 1] This lunchtime at Winson Green prison, 325 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,720 prison officers found him hanging in his cell. 326 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,199 There's little doubt that West's death 327 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,640 is a severe embarrassment to the prison authorities. 328 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,119 [male reporter 2] Yesterday, his son Stephen told the inquest his father 329 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:08,639 had said he planned to kill himself 330 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,080 in the belief it would free his wife, Rosemary. 331 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,639 He was yet again allowed to cheat the legal system 332 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,880 and all victim's families from doing the time for the crimes he committed. 333 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:21,960 [dramatic music playing] 334 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,120 {\an8}We were all very, very angry. 335 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,920 {\an8}Upset, but angry. 336 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,000 It was just... To us, it was like the chicken's way out. 337 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:34,600 Coward's way. 338 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:45,320 For months, I'd been involved in this dark depravity of the investigation. 339 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,840 We were just preparing for the court case. 340 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,879 The news hits. 341 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,520 The heart's been ripped out of the investigation. 342 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,280 It was devastating. 343 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,279 [male reporter] Rosemary West in public for the first time 344 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,520 since her husband was found hanging in his cell on New Year's Day. 345 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,319 According to Rosemary West's solicitor, Leo Goatley, 346 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,600 the case against her, which he claims was flimsy, is now even flimsier. 347 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,399 It was Fred who'd made admissions. 348 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,919 It was Rose that had always denied everything. 349 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,919 With him out of the picture, 350 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,560 it did occur to me, "Perhaps this is it, it's not going to go to trial." 351 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,920 I wasn't sure how she was going to feel. 352 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,960 They were husband and wife, and she loved him. 353 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,240 And I got to see Rose. 354 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,800 She was calm, she was quiet. 355 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:49,400 There was a tear in her eye, and yet a slight look of glee on her face. 356 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,600 And I think in her mind, she felt that she could well be off the hook. 357 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,720 [music swells] 358 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,360 [music fades out] 359 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,720 [Marian] Somebody had asked me, 360 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:15,840 as a family of a victim, what did I want to happen? 361 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,280 What would justice be? 362 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,359 [gentle music playing] 363 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:25,920 I didn't think that anything would take away the pain. 364 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:33,720 But I had this real need to go and do something that was about reclaiming Lucy. 365 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,600 [Russ Williams] So I had initial contact with Marian. 366 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,680 And of course, the question is, when can we see her? 367 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,319 And I had to have a fairly honest conversation with her 368 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,000 about what she's going to see, what her expectations are. 369 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,800 But Marian being Marian, that didn't put her off one bit. 370 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,960 [Marian] Russell arranged to meet us in a mortuary in Cardiff. 371 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,400 And I just went up and I... lifted the lid. 372 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,160 And there was Lucy's skull. 373 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,520 Such a beautiful thing. 374 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,200 [music intensifies] 375 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,399 And then I got the blanket 376 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,840 and I wrapped her skull in the blanket and put it back. 377 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,039 It was really the most healing part of the whole experience for me, 378 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,639 because it was like I didn't see the horror that had led to this. 379 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,720 I just saw the beauty. 380 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:53,360 And I just knew that it was the right thing to be doing. 381 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,040 I just wanted to reclaim Lucy as my sister. 382 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,400 [music fades out] 383 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,080 [birds cawing] 384 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,519 [dramatic music playing] 385 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,399 [man] If we just move across. 386 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,639 Yeah. The eyes, the eyes aren't bad there, actually. 387 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:29,840 - No. - It's just... 388 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,999 [David Whittaker] By this time, Frederick West was out of the picture. 389 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:39,720 And this particular set of remains, Charmaine, became absolutely crucial. 390 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,319 {\an8}Having identified all the other sets of remains, 391 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,039 {\an8}the one case that was really going to matter, Charmaine, 392 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,800 {\an8}I couldn't do anything with. 393 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,120 And then this photograph appeared. 394 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,440 Miraculously. 395 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,360 We'd got the quality, we'd got the teeth visible, 396 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,200 and also it was dated. 397 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,999 We could then look at the extent of change 398 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,359 that had occurred since the photograph was taken. 399 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,519 And if we can estimate that period of time, 400 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,599 we've not only identified Charmaine, 401 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,920 but we've determined when she died as well. 402 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:26,160 And that was very, very crucial evidence in the case against Rosemary West. 403 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,079 [Russ Williams] We were able to positively identify 404 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,880 Fred was in prison when Charmaine was killed, 405 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,799 which then purely put the onus onto Rose 406 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,119 as being the perpetrator of that single crime. 407 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,039 [music intensifies] 408 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,760 This was massive for us. 409 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:52,799 {\an8}This morning, Rosemary West was charged with the murder of Charmaine West. 410 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,559 Today, a spokesman said the Crown would be seeking 411 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,640 her committal to trial on the ten murder charges. 412 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,560 [Howard Sounes] The whole country wants this horrible story to have a resolution. 413 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:12,159 And then midway through '95, the date was set, 414 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,320 Winchester Crown Court, October. 415 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,640 - [birds cawing] - [music fades out] 416 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,680 [Dezra] It was a cold day, but the sun was shining. 417 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,560 And, uh, our liaison officer met me for the trial. 418 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,920 And he said to me, "Would you like to go to the house?" 419 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,080 And, uh, I remember going in the street and standing in front of the house. 420 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,439 There was a wall there where she would sit when she was out having... 421 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,239 Out talking to friends, or the chip shop at the corner where she used to go. 422 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,800 So that was nice, him telling me things like that. 423 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,879 Then he took me around the back, 424 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,680 because I wanted to be where they'd found her. 425 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,600 It may sound weird... 426 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,399 I was glad she was found in the garden. 427 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,440 It just seemed that's where people get buried, 428 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,720 in the earth. 429 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:29,720 That's one small comfort I have from where she was laid to rest. 430 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,960 The next day then, a car was picking us up and taking us to the court. 431 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,080 [typewriter keys click] 432 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,440 [typewriter keys click] 433 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,240 My name is Brian Leveson. 434 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,760 In 1995, I was a Queen's Counsel. 435 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,479 {\an8}I was approached by the Crown Prosecution Service 436 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,240 {\an8}to prosecute the case. 437 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,240 I have prosecuted all sorts of crime. 438 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,880 But if I had to identify one case that lives with me the most, this is the case. 439 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,800 The leading counsel in the defense was Richard Ferguson QC, 440 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,799 one of the leading criminal barristers of the time. 441 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,960 No, I'm sorry. Professionally, we're not allowed to make any comment. 442 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,479 He led Sasha Wass, now Sasha Wass KC, 443 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,840 who was herself a very capable criminal lawyer. 444 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,159 [woman] I was asked whether I wanted to do this case, 445 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,039 and to be frank, there was no question of me turning it down. 446 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,360 It was an extraordinary case. 447 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,200 I was a junior counsel. I'd been doing criminal work for 13 years. 448 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,600 - Don't hold your breath. Okay? - [man] Okay. 449 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,159 [Sasha Wass] I'd done a couple of cases in which there'd been press interest, 450 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,439 but nothing like this. 451 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,240 There were press everywhere. 452 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,319 [male reporter] Hampshire police have mounted strict security along the route, 453 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,839 closing roads as the convoy made its three-minute journey 454 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,680 to Winchester city center. 455 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,120 It became like a piece of theater. 456 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,280 [crowd] Murderer! Murderer! 457 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,599 Court three was a very large courtroom. 458 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,680 [dramatic music playing] 459 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,800 Rose is brought into the dock. 460 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,999 She's short, she wears spectacles, 461 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,319 she's got a gold cross round her neck. 462 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,479 She's doing her best to appear respectable. 463 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,039 And she's very subdued. 464 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,999 There's no show of emotion. 465 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,000 She just sits there and listens. 466 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,519 [Brian Leveson] Rose West pleaded not guilty to all counts 467 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,360 and maintained her innocence from first to last. 468 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,519 One of the big challenges of the case 469 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:12,159 is that there was no evidence of a direct nature. 470 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,799 Nobody said, 471 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,840 "I saw Fred stab." Or "Rosemary strangle." 472 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,480 The case depended on circumstantial evidence. 473 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,720 Circumstantial evidence really relies on several different strands of evidence. 474 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,439 And in this case, the prosecution called several witnesses to say 475 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,319 that Rosemary West and Frederick West had acted together 476 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,559 in circumstances which were very similar, 477 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:49,000 said the prosecution, to the way in which the murder victims had been abused. 478 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,079 [Howard Sounes] A succession of witnesses are called for the prosecution, 479 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,960 and I think maybe three or four in, we have Caroline Owens, 480 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,040 the one that got away. 481 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,040 [male reporter] Arriving in a closed van with other witnesses, 482 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,039 Caroline Owens came to Winchester Crown Court 483 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,720 with a first-hand account of what she claimed was a night of terror. 484 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,439 [Howard Sounes] Caroline Owens became a really significant person, 485 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,639 because she was a documented case 486 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,440 of a woman whom the Wests had attacked together. 487 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,360 She comes into the witness box and she tells her story, 488 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,280 and it was the most powerful direct evidence against Rose. 489 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,120 [Caroline Owens] I don't think 490 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,760 {\an8}people realize how much 491 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,160 {\an8}guilt survivors feel. 492 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,720 [somber music playing] 493 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,600 [crying] I realized they started killing three months after my court case in '72. 494 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,759 And to my mind, if I'd pushed the rape charge, 495 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,159 [sniffles] 496 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,840 they would have been alive. 497 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,840 So, given that opportunity to actually be a witness against her... 498 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:20,280 kind of set me free a little bit. 499 00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:28,120 Even though, like, all my little secrets and my little demons were out there 500 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,879 on view to the world, 501 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:36,160 I actually, for the first time in my lifetime, I think, felt self-respect. 502 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,280 I went in there to get justice for the girls that didn't make it. 503 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,399 [Sasha Wass] Caroline Owens was a very powerful witness, 504 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,679 and she kept herself together throughout all of her evidence 505 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,920 right until the end, um, when she broke down. 506 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,960 She felt she had to do justice for the girls that didn't make it. 507 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,919 That was a very telling piece of evidence. 508 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,200 [music fades out] 509 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,079 [Mary-Ann] The whole lead-up to the trial, and the trial, 510 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,959 {\an8}is very, very blurred, because all I can think at the time was, 511 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,799 "This has happened to Juanita. Oh my God, this has happened to Juanita." 512 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,000 "This is real." 513 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:41,160 "Now I'm going to have to re-hear it all again in a court, but I have to do it." 514 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,440 [somber music playing] 515 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,399 [Belinda] It was just panic attacks. 516 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,280 Anxiety was real bad. 517 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,240 You listen, 518 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,800 you know what's going on and you can hear the gasps of other people listening. 519 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:05,160 Me personally, I couldn't take it all in, 520 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,639 listening to the amount of stuff that went on. 521 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,280 It was just... 522 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,840 How? How could they do it? 523 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,200 How or why? 524 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,640 [music fades out] 525 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:30,519 [Sasha Wass] The job of the lawyer is to advise their client 526 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,719 as to the benefits and the pitfalls of giving evidence. 527 00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:37,839 But the ultimate decision is always, always the defendant's. 528 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,159 [ominous music playing] 529 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,759 [male reporter 1] Rosemary West, on trial at Winchester, accused of ten murders, 530 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,279 today became the first witness called in her own defense. 531 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,559 She was reminded on several occasions 532 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,399 that it was up to her whether she wanted to give evidence. 533 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,639 She had a certain confidence. She wanted her day in court. 534 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,919 [male reporter 2] The moment arrived at midday. 535 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,959 Mrs. West spoke of her troubled early life 536 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,599 and was often in tears as she described how she'd twice been raped 537 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,840 before she met Fred West at the age of 15. 538 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,759 She said that Frederick West had promised to love and care for her. 539 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,079 Because she was so young, she'd fallen for his lies. 540 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,519 And so she's led through her life with Fred at Cromwell Street, 541 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,839 whereby she gives us the impression that they lived separate lives 542 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,559 and Fred sent her out to have sex with other men, 543 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,159 leaving Fred at home. 544 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,920 And what Fred did at home when she wasn't at home, she didn't know about. 545 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,759 Rose West was very defensive and defiant 546 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,879 to the point of almost being convincing. 547 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,360 Uh, the stumbling block was when she was cross-examined. 548 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,799 [male reporter 2] Brian Leveson QC began his cross-examination. 549 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,359 He said, "You never saw anything that alerted you to the horror 550 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,399 of what had been happening at your homes?" 551 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,559 "That's right, sir," she replied. 552 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,599 Nor had she seen any unexplained bloodstains in the house 553 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,439 or anything to suggest that children had been sexually abused there. 554 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,039 Mr. Leveson then asked Mrs. West 555 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,320 about her eight-year-old stepdaughter, Charmaine. 556 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,399 He would be relentless, he wouldn't pause, he just kept going. 557 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,999 You could see her getting flustered and agitated 558 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,999 and frustrated by the process. 559 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,159 After further questions, she said, 560 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,279 "I couldn't have killed a little girl at that time or at any time." 561 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,919 "You abused that girl," said Mr. Leveson. 562 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,799 "Not to the extent you'd like to think," said Mrs. West. 563 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,559 "You killed her and kept the body for Fred to bury." 564 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,000 "No, sir, where could I have kept a body in Midland Road?" 565 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,319 She saw no evil, heard no evil, and did no evil, 566 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,640 whilst, of course, living in the same small house as a mass murderer. 567 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,760 [music fades out] 568 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,559 As a journalist, as a reporter, 569 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,759 you're never supposed to pay witnesses, certainly before a trial, 570 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,640 but we found ways round it. 571 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,840 The money is paid after conviction. 572 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,200 And I confess, I offered witnesses money. 573 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,159 And the money goes up and up. 574 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,639 You start at 1,000, 5,000, 10,000, 30,000. 575 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:14,599 [dramatic music] 576 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,239 [Brian Leveson] Press payments was an enormous issue in the trial 577 00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:26,319 because it provided a hook for the defense to challenge the witnesses. 578 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:32,639 "You've said this not because it's true, but because you're being paid 579 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,600 to make it as newsworthy as possible." 580 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,359 And so, I had everybody researched for deals with the press, everybody. 581 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,840 Including the appropriate adult, Janet Leach. 582 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,319 [music fades out] 583 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:59,399 As far as the prosecution were concerned, Janet Leach was going to save the case. 584 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,479 She hadn't entered into any agreement for her story, 585 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,359 and she was a completely clean skin, 586 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,879 so they felt very confident calling her as a witness. 587 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,359 Fred took a liking to Janet, 588 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:16,119 whereby he then confided in her things that he didn't tell the police, 589 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,359 and as a result, she becomes probably the star witness, 590 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,880 probably the biggest witness for the prosecution. 591 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,879 He told me at the beginning about the pact that they'd made 592 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,719 that he was going to take the brunt of it all, 593 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,440 and that it was worth it. 594 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,839 He was clearing up a lot of Rose's mistakes, 595 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,640 "little mistakes," she used to call them. 596 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,400 Rose was involved right from the onset. 597 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:48,600 It was time to tell the truth. 598 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,679 [Howard Sounes ] I felt, and I think the whole court felt, "This is the truth." 599 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,640 "Of course Rose is involved, and finally somebody is saying it." 600 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,640 That evidence, for me, was very powerful, and I'm sure it was for the jury. 601 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,119 Our approach was to ask a witness whether they had been paid, 602 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:14,599 and she denied vehemently that she had been paid for her story. 603 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,399 As far as that case was concerned, 604 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,239 you couldn't imagine things could become more extraordinary, 605 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:22,480 um, but they did. 606 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,199 The trial of Rosemary West has gripped the courtroom on so many occasions. 607 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,759 Today, on the 24th and final day of evidence, 608 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,159 another revelation which will dominate tomorrow's headlines. 609 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,399 Asked whether she'd told the truth last week 610 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,119 about her dealings with the media, 611 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,600 Mrs. Leach paused before saying no. 612 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,719 She had sold her story to my newspaper group, 613 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,119 and this emerges during her evidence. 614 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,559 [siren wails] 615 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,360 She has a kind of breakdown. She collapses. 616 00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,039 Everyone is shocked. 617 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,439 Brian Leveson is shocked. John Bennett almost has a heart attack. 618 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,040 This is really a body blow to the prosecution. 619 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,560 The trial has to be stopped. 620 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,599 Three days pass. A weekend passes. 621 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,960 Finally, we're told the trial is going to resume. 622 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,639 She was brought back in a wheelchair, 623 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,120 but in effect, she was damaged goods as far as the prosecution were concerned. 624 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,840 I was getting a lot of flashbacks and having panic attacks. 625 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,520 It was just all too much. 626 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,720 I felt that I was doing a duty, 627 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,360 but I was totally out of my depth. 628 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,160 [Howard Sounes] Suddenly it's over, 629 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,640 and as I listened to the prosecution case, 630 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,679 by the end of it I was wondering, where was the evidence? 631 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,119 Where's the evidence this woman killed anybody? I haven't heard it. 632 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,879 She hasn't confessed. There's no forensic evidence. 633 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,399 There's no fingerprints. There's no murder weapon. 634 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,320 The outcome of this trial was far from a foregone conclusion. 635 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,560 [Sasha Wass] It never gets any easier waiting for a jury... 636 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,039 but it's a very stressful time 637 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,759 because you want to do your best for your client, 638 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,320 and that means a not guilty verdict. 639 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,279 [Brian Leveson] You're thinking, "Is there some point I've missed?" 640 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,999 "What are the jury thinking about?" You don't know. 641 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,520 Because it was by no means a given that Rosemary West would be convicted. 642 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,039 [Leo Goatley] I think Rose... 643 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,760 I think she was confident about how things were gonna go. 644 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,199 [Howard Sounes] Anything could happen. 645 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,719 I wouldn't have been surprised if she walked free. 646 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:57,239 And then, of course, you have this Tannoy system in the court. 647 00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:00,519 "Everyone attending court number three, please return to court." 648 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,480 And you all pile back into court, and yeah, they've got a verdict. 649 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,840 [clock ticking] 650 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,399 [music fades out] 651 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,639 Rosemary West has been convicted of 652 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,080 ten of the most horrific murders in British criminal history. 653 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,639 [male reporter 1] Mr. Justice Mantell didn't waste his breath on a long speech. 654 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,919 "Rosemary Pauline West," he said, "on each of the ten counts of murder 655 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,839 on which you have been unanimously convicted by the jury, 656 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,559 the sentence is one of life imprisonment." 657 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,399 He added, "If attention is paid to what I think, 658 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,399 you will never be released." 659 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,639 He then ordered the prison officers to take her down. 660 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,800 [somber music playing] 661 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,400 [Russ Williams] I remember John said to us, "Don't show any emotion." 662 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,520 We sat there stony faced. 663 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,360 What was happening inside was, I think, a degree of relief. 664 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,320 I was pleased mostly for the victims, for the families. 665 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,960 [John Bennett] And the families. 666 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:20,039 No one can appreciate the pain and suffering they have been through 667 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,760 to learn about the terrible circumstances of this case 668 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,080 and the questions that it raises, 669 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,000 some of which, perhaps, will always remain unanswered. 670 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,319 [male reporter 2] In a black dress with white sleeves, she was led into prison 671 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,639 knowing she'll spend the rest of her life behind bars. 672 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,479 The woman who'd insisted she knew nothing about the bodies buried beneath her house 673 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,560 joins the ranks of Britain's biggest serial killers. 674 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,360 [door slams shut] 675 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,920 [Belinda] All the different families were there, 676 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,640 and Stephen was there as well. 677 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:09,320 I introduced myself and gave him a hug. 678 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,480 He was very shy. 679 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,279 He just said to me, "I'm really sorry about your sister." 680 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,040 I said, "It's not you to be sorry for, is it?" 681 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,680 I said, "But we've got to remember we're all in this together." 682 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,720 He said, "Thank you." 683 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,000 She's been found guilty, he's dead, it's over. 684 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,560 I can get on with my life, and we can move on. 685 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,520 But it doesn't happen like that. 686 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,320 I wish it did. 687 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,520 [Belinda] I think about the last time I'd spoke to her. 688 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,800 She said to me, "I'll always be here for you." 689 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,960 "No matter what or no matter when." 690 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,720 "Just like you are for me." 691 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:15,119 This is why I say to my children, every single time I say goodnight or goodbye, 692 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,480 I always say, "I love you," because you never know when's the last time. 693 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,640 [Dezra] I did lock it away in a box in my head like I do with lots of things, 694 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,960 so I've never really worked through it. 695 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:40,680 This, what I'm doing now, I think it's for Alison, mostly for Alison, 696 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:46,440 but also for me so that I can have a bit of closure, 697 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,560 because I don't have that at the moment. 698 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,120 [gentle music playing] 699 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:04,000 [Marian] Because of what's happened, I've had to face myself deep inside. 700 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:13,879 The whole process is about healing, it's about becoming whole, 701 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:20,760 it's about finding a way of living which brings something good out of it. 702 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:29,760 Everyone involved in this atrocious crime, 703 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,000 everyone is connected. 704 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,600 [music ends] 705 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,960 [Russ Williams] I did keep one card. 706 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:50,000 One card from Marian, which was sent to me when we were saying our goodbyes. 707 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,599 [somber music playing] 708 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,240 "To dear Russell, 709 00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:00,920 thank you again for all your good humor and sensitivity. Are you blushing yet?" 710 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:10,640 "Your kindness made a big difference to the traumatic agony of it all." 711 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,000 "For the better, of course." 712 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,640 "Love from Marian." 713 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:26,280 In a way, she helped me just as much as I hope I helped her. 714 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,600 The shadow of being in the police stays with you for a long time, 715 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,040 but I started to realize that there is good out there. 716 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,040 To see it and to feel it and to be part of it, 717 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,560 that's what I want to do. 718 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,960 [music fades out] 719 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,240 [gentle music playing] 62093

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