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Let's go. 3 00:01:33,712 --> 00:01:34,046 Let's go. 4 00:01:34,046 --> 00:01:35,504 Let's go. 5 00:01:40,506 --> 00:01:41,923 What happened? 6 00:01:44,007 --> 00:01:46,050 - oh, god. - [ man ]: let's go, Go, go. 7 00:01:46,050 --> 00:01:46,591 - oh, god. - [ man ]: let's go, Go, go. 8 00:01:59,345 --> 00:02:01,596 [ police radio chatter ] 9 00:02:05,513 --> 00:02:07,931 [ siren blaring ] 10 00:02:14,224 --> 00:02:16,059 Morning, winston. 11 00:02:16,059 --> 00:02:16,225 Morning, winston. 12 00:02:16,476 --> 00:02:17,684 Morning. 13 00:02:18,185 --> 00:02:19,851 - what have we got? - two shots, 14 00:02:20,310 --> 00:02:21,268 Small caliber, to the head. 15 00:02:21,810 --> 00:02:22,061 Workers renovating this Warehouse 16 00:02:22,061 --> 00:02:23,061 Workers renovating this Warehouse 17 00:02:23,728 --> 00:02:24,895 Found him when they showed up This morning. 18 00:02:25,353 --> 00:02:26,270 Man's name is robert symes, 19 00:02:26,729 --> 00:02:27,771 33 years old, organ donor. 20 00:02:28,188 --> 00:02:30,229 Good-looking girlfriend. 21 00:02:31,064 --> 00:02:33,647 Got about 80 bucks in here-- oh, A couple of flaps of dope. 22 00:02:34,314 --> 00:02:37,065 Well, wasn't robbery. Maybe he Was a dealer. 23 00:02:37,732 --> 00:02:39,066 No blood splatter from the Gunshots, 24 00:02:39,816 --> 00:02:40,066 But I got a tire tread through Some of his blood, 25 00:02:40,066 --> 00:02:41,067 But I got a tire tread through Some of his blood, 26 00:02:41,858 --> 00:02:43,400 So maybe he was shot in a car And dumped out. 27 00:02:43,901 --> 00:02:45,526 I'll canvass the neighborhood. 28 00:02:46,109 --> 00:02:48,235 I'll start with this warehouse Here. 29 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,070 Hang on. Guy's got a cell phone On him. 30 00:02:52,070 --> 00:02:52,195 Hang on. Guy's got a cell phone On him. 31 00:02:52,862 --> 00:02:55,529 - [ laughs ] Who'd he call last? - [ beeps ] 32 00:02:56,196 --> 00:02:58,072 11 missed calls-- few of them Stored numbers. 33 00:02:58,072 --> 00:02:58,572 11 missed calls-- few of them Stored numbers. 34 00:03:00,822 --> 00:03:03,531 Two calls from lou, six calls From ed. 35 00:03:03,823 --> 00:03:04,074 Lou and ed. 36 00:03:04,074 --> 00:03:05,657 Lou and ed. 37 00:03:06,115 --> 00:03:07,158 Another industrial accident 38 00:03:07,532 --> 00:03:08,783 In the dope trade. 39 00:03:21,245 --> 00:03:22,079 St. Luke's called. They've got a Three-year-old boy who came in Doa. 40 00:03:22,079 --> 00:03:23,080 St. Luke's called. They've got a Three-year-old boy who came in Doa. 41 00:03:23,746 --> 00:03:25,080 - what? - they've requested to Do the autopsy 42 00:03:25,789 --> 00:03:27,705 With their pathologist over There. 43 00:03:28,414 --> 00:03:29,706 Three-year-old boy? What are the Circumstances? 44 00:03:30,290 --> 00:03:31,791 The doctor thinks he died of a Fall. 45 00:03:32,290 --> 00:03:33,707 This is the preliminary report. 46 00:03:34,458 --> 00:03:37,084 Well, this says that there was a Closed head injury. 47 00:03:37,708 --> 00:03:39,209 That's consistent with a fall, Yeah? 48 00:03:39,417 --> 00:03:40,085 Yeah. 49 00:03:40,085 --> 00:03:40,959 Yeah. 50 00:03:41,668 --> 00:03:43,627 Okay. What you do is you call That doctor there 51 00:03:44,628 --> 00:03:46,087 And tell him that I'm good with Him continuing chain of care Over there. 52 00:03:46,087 --> 00:03:47,629 And tell him that I'm good with Him continuing chain of care Over there. 53 00:03:48,670 --> 00:03:51,088 If the autopsy is clean, they go Ahead, they release the body to The parents. 54 00:03:52,088 --> 00:03:53,422 I'll get the coroner's liaison To send a uniform over there 55 00:03:53,838 --> 00:03:55,214 And talk to the parents. 56 00:03:55,756 --> 00:03:57,215 Do we need a sudden death Report? 57 00:03:57,590 --> 00:03:58,090 - yes. - where is it? 58 00:03:58,090 --> 00:03:59,174 - yes. - where is it? 59 00:03:59,507 --> 00:04:00,715 You're doing that. 60 00:04:07,593 --> 00:04:10,094 I was downstairs in the office When I heard julie screaming-- 61 00:04:10,094 --> 00:04:10,427 I was downstairs in the office When I heard julie screaming-- 62 00:04:11,385 --> 00:04:13,761 - that's my daughter. - and you Think he fell from the swings There? 63 00:04:14,470 --> 00:04:16,096 He was only out of my sight for A few minutes. 64 00:04:16,096 --> 00:04:16,179 He was only out of my sight for A few minutes. 65 00:04:17,012 --> 00:04:18,429 - and you say your daughter Found him? - yes. She's eight. 66 00:04:18,846 --> 00:04:20,806 I'd like to talk to her. 67 00:04:21,305 --> 00:04:22,098 Uh, she's sleeping right now-- 68 00:04:22,098 --> 00:04:22,388 Uh, she's sleeping right now-- 69 00:04:23,014 --> 00:04:24,723 I'm sorry, but I'll need to talk To her. 70 00:04:25,140 --> 00:04:27,099 All right. I'll wake her. 71 00:04:27,891 --> 00:04:28,100 So what happened when you came Outside? 72 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:29,350 So what happened when you came Outside? 73 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,392 Well, I ran out and-- 74 00:04:33,851 --> 00:04:34,101 And terry wasn't breathing. 75 00:04:34,101 --> 00:04:35,102 And terry wasn't breathing. 76 00:04:35,559 --> 00:04:37,102 You tried to revive him? 77 00:04:37,477 --> 00:04:39,852 Yeah. Yeah, I... 78 00:04:40,311 --> 00:04:41,812 I gave him mouth to mouth. 79 00:04:42,395 --> 00:04:43,938 And then claire, my wife, came Out, 80 00:04:44,813 --> 00:04:46,105 And all we could think of doing Was getting him to the hospital. 81 00:04:46,105 --> 00:04:46,979 And all we could think of doing Was getting him to the hospital. 82 00:04:49,064 --> 00:04:50,189 Oh, gee. 83 00:04:54,190 --> 00:04:56,650 I still can't believe it. 84 00:04:57,316 --> 00:04:58,109 It's like somebody kicked me in The stomach. 85 00:04:58,109 --> 00:05:00,150 It's like somebody kicked me in The stomach. 86 00:05:05,985 --> 00:05:07,361 So, ed, 87 00:05:07,945 --> 00:05:10,112 - do you know why you're here? - No. 88 00:05:10,112 --> 00:05:10,570 - do you know why you're here? - No. 89 00:05:10,987 --> 00:05:12,446 Well, I've got bad news-- 90 00:05:12,863 --> 00:05:14,280 Or maybe it's good news. 91 00:05:14,696 --> 00:05:16,114 Your friend, bobby symes, 92 00:05:16,906 --> 00:05:18,906 Took a couple of bullets in the Head last night. 93 00:05:19,365 --> 00:05:20,907 Is he going to pull through? 94 00:05:21,533 --> 00:05:22,116 The sign on the door says "Homicide," ed. 95 00:05:22,116 --> 00:05:23,366 The sign on the door says "Homicide," ed. 96 00:05:23,699 --> 00:05:24,825 Bobby is dead. 97 00:05:25,450 --> 00:05:26,534 When did you last have contact With him? 98 00:05:26,784 --> 00:05:28,118 Oh, man. 99 00:05:28,576 --> 00:05:29,576 I don't know, let's see. 100 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,619 - what's today, wednesday? - Friday. 101 00:05:32,953 --> 00:05:34,120 Right, friday. 102 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:34,911 Right, friday. 103 00:05:35,328 --> 00:05:36,745 Uh, let's see-- sunday. 104 00:05:37,329 --> 00:05:39,121 Yeah, we were watching some Football 105 00:05:39,830 --> 00:05:40,122 At a sports bar at the beach There in kitsilano. 106 00:05:40,122 --> 00:05:41,163 At a sports bar at the beach There in kitsilano. 107 00:05:41,871 --> 00:05:43,747 Okay, good. Last night-- that Would be thursday. 108 00:05:44,289 --> 00:05:45,123 Can you account for your Movements 109 00:05:45,456 --> 00:05:46,123 From midnight on? 110 00:05:46,123 --> 00:05:46,456 From midnight on? 111 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,125 - yeah, I was at home in bed. - Alone? 112 00:05:50,749 --> 00:05:52,125 - yeah, alone. - sleeping? 113 00:05:52,125 --> 00:05:52,959 - yeah, alone. - sleeping? 114 00:05:53,292 --> 00:05:55,584 Yeah, sleeping. 115 00:05:56,085 --> 00:05:58,127 Do you talk in your sleep, ed? 116 00:05:58,127 --> 00:05:58,669 Do you talk in your sleep, ed? 117 00:06:00,544 --> 00:06:02,128 I don't think so. 118 00:06:02,753 --> 00:06:04,129 Because we got about six phone Calls 119 00:06:04,838 --> 00:06:05,671 From your cell phone to bobby's Cell phone 120 00:06:06,130 --> 00:06:08,130 At 1:00 a.M., 1:10, 1:16-- 121 00:06:08,755 --> 00:06:10,131 - oh, yeah. - and bring you some Dope? 122 00:06:10,131 --> 00:06:11,214 - oh, yeah. - and bring you some Dope? 123 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:14,632 - I don't do coke. - did I say Cocaine? 124 00:06:14,924 --> 00:06:16,133 Okay, edward, 125 00:06:16,133 --> 00:06:16,632 Okay, edward, 126 00:06:17,424 --> 00:06:19,424 I don't think you're telling me Everything, so I want you 127 00:06:20,342 --> 00:06:22,135 - to spend the night here with Us, okay? - I didn't do Anything. 128 00:06:22,135 --> 00:06:22,551 - to spend the night here with Us, okay? - I didn't do Anything. 129 00:06:23,343 --> 00:06:26,635 Maybe a good night's sleep will Help improve your memory. 130 00:06:33,263 --> 00:06:34,138 - I need to talk to you about a Case. - sure, fire away. 131 00:06:34,138 --> 00:06:36,389 - I need to talk to you about a Case. - sure, fire away. 132 00:06:37,013 --> 00:06:39,140 I had dinner with rupert jones Last night. 133 00:06:39,764 --> 00:06:40,140 He told me about an autopsy he Did. 134 00:06:40,140 --> 00:06:41,140 He told me about an autopsy he Did. 135 00:06:41,849 --> 00:06:43,141 Rupert jones who just had his First baby? 136 00:06:43,349 --> 00:06:45,142 Yeah. 137 00:06:45,766 --> 00:06:46,142 The reason he brought it up is That it was 138 00:06:46,142 --> 00:06:47,976 The reason he brought it up is That it was 139 00:06:48,642 --> 00:06:50,059 The first body of a baby that he Had autopsied 140 00:06:50,601 --> 00:06:52,144 Since he and anna had their Girl. 141 00:06:52,518 --> 00:06:53,602 It got to him. 142 00:06:54,310 --> 00:06:55,602 Anyway, cause of death was a Closed head injury, 143 00:06:56,186 --> 00:06:58,146 But there wasn't any skull Fracture, 144 00:06:58,146 --> 00:06:58,311 But there wasn't any skull Fracture, 145 00:06:59,104 --> 00:07:02,230 Which is very unusual, so I Asked to see rupert's report. 146 00:07:02,855 --> 00:07:04,147 - I think you know the case... - Oh, no. 147 00:07:04,147 --> 00:07:05,148 - I think you know the case... - Oh, no. 148 00:07:05,939 --> 00:07:07,773 Oh, yeah, I know this case. This Came in the other day. 149 00:07:08,107 --> 00:07:10,065 You know what? 150 00:07:10,774 --> 00:07:11,983 The uniform went down there, Spoke to the parents. 151 00:07:12,567 --> 00:07:15,151 She was confident, nothing Suspicious. 152 00:07:15,526 --> 00:07:16,151 Well, I'm suspicious. 153 00:07:16,151 --> 00:07:17,151 Well, I'm suspicious. 154 00:07:17,901 --> 00:07:19,235 The autopsy report lists the Cause of death 155 00:07:19,652 --> 00:07:21,569 As a subdural hematoma. 156 00:07:22,236 --> 00:07:23,903 That's consistent with a fall From the swing. 157 00:07:24,278 --> 00:07:26,362 Without a fracture, 158 00:07:26,946 --> 00:07:28,155 It's more consistent with shaken Baby. 159 00:07:28,155 --> 00:07:28,737 It's more consistent with shaken Baby. 160 00:07:29,238 --> 00:07:31,572 Shaking? That's what killed him? 161 00:07:32,156 --> 00:07:34,157 There's been some fresh research Done, 162 00:07:34,157 --> 00:07:34,823 There's been some fresh research Done, 163 00:07:35,574 --> 00:07:37,282 And apparently it is so unlikely For a child to die 164 00:07:37,740 --> 00:07:39,074 From a fall under four feet 165 00:07:39,741 --> 00:07:40,158 That it's almost always a lie to Hide abuse. 166 00:07:40,158 --> 00:07:41,284 That it's almost always a lie to Hide abuse. 167 00:07:41,950 --> 00:07:45,160 We won't know unless I do a Second autopsy. 168 00:07:45,951 --> 00:07:46,160 Okay, I'll have the body sent Back from the hospital. 169 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,286 Okay, I'll have the body sent Back from the hospital. 170 00:07:48,994 --> 00:07:52,162 I will clear my schedule for it When it arrives. 171 00:07:52,162 --> 00:07:52,912 I will clear my schedule for it When it arrives. 172 00:07:53,328 --> 00:07:55,163 - thank you. - thank you. 173 00:07:57,205 --> 00:07:58,164 When did it happen? 174 00:07:58,164 --> 00:07:59,038 When did it happen? 175 00:07:59,372 --> 00:08:01,123 Two nights ago. 176 00:08:01,582 --> 00:08:03,498 How'd you find me, anyway? 177 00:08:04,291 --> 00:08:07,583 - your number was stored in Bobby's cell phone. - right. 178 00:08:09,876 --> 00:08:10,168 - your picture was in his Wallet. - yeah, it was. 179 00:08:10,168 --> 00:08:12,168 - your picture was in his Wallet. - yeah, it was. 180 00:08:12,585 --> 00:08:14,586 He was my boyfriend. 181 00:08:17,752 --> 00:08:19,170 When was the last time you saw Bobby? 182 00:08:19,837 --> 00:08:22,129 Tuesday, I think, we went to a Movie. 183 00:08:22,462 --> 00:08:24,172 I've got to sit. 184 00:08:25,755 --> 00:08:27,089 What about thursday? 185 00:08:27,673 --> 00:08:28,173 What were you doing thursday Night? 186 00:08:28,173 --> 00:08:28,882 What were you doing thursday Night? 187 00:08:29,548 --> 00:08:31,174 I worked the late shift. I got Off at 3:00. 188 00:08:32,090 --> 00:08:33,632 If I go and I ask the foreman, That's what I'm going to hear, 189 00:08:34,216 --> 00:08:36,550 That you were working, right? Right? 190 00:08:38,676 --> 00:08:40,177 Something wrong, ruby? 191 00:08:40,177 --> 00:08:40,302 Something wrong, ruby? 192 00:08:42,802 --> 00:08:44,970 I'm scared, all right? 193 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:46,179 - I'm just scared. - you know Something about this? 194 00:08:46,179 --> 00:08:47,596 - I'm just scared. - you know Something about this? 195 00:08:48,345 --> 00:08:51,346 I know all about this. I was There when it happened. 196 00:08:51,722 --> 00:08:52,181 - you saw it? - yeah. 197 00:08:52,181 --> 00:08:53,181 - you saw it? - yeah. 198 00:08:54,055 --> 00:08:55,347 You'll have to come downtown and Make a statement. 199 00:08:55,723 --> 00:08:58,182 - oh, no. - oh, yes. 200 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,183 Oh, yes... 201 00:09:03,434 --> 00:09:04,184 On the infant, on terence Ellison-- 202 00:09:04,184 --> 00:09:04,851 On the infant, on terence Ellison-- 203 00:09:05,434 --> 00:09:08,185 Yeah, we're still waiting on the Body. 204 00:09:08,852 --> 00:09:10,186 There's going to be a problem. 205 00:09:10,978 --> 00:09:12,353 The hospital released the body Last night, 206 00:09:13,187 --> 00:09:16,188 And the parents had it cremated This morning. I okayed it. 207 00:09:17,062 --> 00:09:19,063 Sorry. I told them if the Autopsy was all done 208 00:09:19,647 --> 00:09:20,981 And everything they needed was Done, 209 00:09:21,689 --> 00:09:22,190 They could release the body to The parents, but... 210 00:09:22,190 --> 00:09:23,773 They could release the body to The parents, but... 211 00:09:24,273 --> 00:09:26,191 Okay, can we backtrack on this? 212 00:09:27,107 --> 00:09:28,192 Without the body, it's going to Be tough to prove shaking. 213 00:09:28,192 --> 00:09:29,275 Without the body, it's going to Be tough to prove shaking. 214 00:09:29,858 --> 00:09:31,775 - yeah. - well, rupert said they Had 215 00:09:32,484 --> 00:09:34,193 A complete set of x-rays and Complete histology. 216 00:09:34,193 --> 00:09:34,276 A complete set of x-rays and Complete histology. 217 00:09:35,319 --> 00:09:37,986 Yeah, maybe. Histology could Tell us whether there's any Retinal hemorrhage 218 00:09:38,694 --> 00:09:40,195 - in the infant's eyes-- - if So, it's a result 219 00:09:40,195 --> 00:09:40,945 - in the infant's eyes-- - if So, it's a result 220 00:09:41,653 --> 00:09:44,946 Of rapid acceleration and Deceleration-- shaking. 221 00:09:45,738 --> 00:09:46,197 Rupert should've flagged that. There's another kid there. 222 00:09:46,197 --> 00:09:48,531 Rupert should've flagged that. There's another kid there. 223 00:10:17,373 --> 00:10:18,956 - you helped bobby out with his Business? - oh, no. No way. 224 00:10:19,582 --> 00:10:20,916 I work for a living. You saw Where I work. 225 00:10:21,124 --> 00:10:22,208 Okay. 226 00:10:22,208 --> 00:10:22,416 Okay. 227 00:10:23,209 --> 00:10:25,876 You want to tell me how this Thing with bobby went down? 228 00:10:26,709 --> 00:10:28,210 Well, bobby had to meet a guy Because the guy owed him money-- 229 00:10:28,210 --> 00:10:29,168 Well, bobby had to meet a guy Because the guy owed him money-- 230 00:10:29,752 --> 00:10:31,252 - did he say this guy's name? - No. 231 00:10:32,044 --> 00:10:34,212 But I had to drive him on Account of he lost his license. 232 00:10:34,212 --> 00:10:34,794 But I had to drive him on Account of he lost his license. 233 00:10:35,545 --> 00:10:36,921 - so we went into the alley-- - What time was this? 234 00:10:37,421 --> 00:10:39,088 I don't know-- 2:00 a.M., maybe. 235 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:40,214 - anyway, this car was waiting There-- - what kind of car? 236 00:10:40,214 --> 00:10:41,839 - anyway, this car was waiting There-- - what kind of car? 237 00:10:42,631 --> 00:10:44,590 I can't tell the story if you Keep on interrupting me. 238 00:10:45,048 --> 00:10:46,216 It was just a car, all right? 239 00:10:46,216 --> 00:10:47,216 It was just a car, all right? 240 00:10:50,425 --> 00:10:52,217 So bobby got out of the car, 241 00:10:53,009 --> 00:10:54,259 And then he got into the other Car, and-- 242 00:10:54,551 --> 00:10:58,219 Bang, bang... 243 00:10:58,552 --> 00:11:00,220 Just like that. 244 00:11:00,844 --> 00:11:02,220 Man, I was scared. I hit the Gas, 245 00:11:02,970 --> 00:11:04,221 - and I was out of there. - so You saw the guy 246 00:11:04,221 --> 00:11:04,346 - and I was out of there. - so You saw the guy 247 00:11:04,930 --> 00:11:06,513 That killed your boyfriend, Bobby? 248 00:11:07,263 --> 00:11:09,597 Yeah, I saw him. I remember his License number, too. 249 00:11:10,056 --> 00:11:10,223 Oh, good. That's very good. 250 00:11:10,223 --> 00:11:11,765 Oh, good. That's very good. 251 00:11:12,431 --> 00:11:14,390 Here, I want you to write that Down for me. 252 00:11:21,184 --> 00:11:22,227 So, ruby, 253 00:11:22,227 --> 00:11:23,185 So, ruby, 254 00:11:23,602 --> 00:11:25,019 You want to tell me now 255 00:11:25,644 --> 00:11:26,686 Why you didn't come forward Right away 256 00:11:27,228 --> 00:11:28,228 About your boyfriend getting Shot? 257 00:11:28,228 --> 00:11:29,020 About your boyfriend getting Shot? 258 00:11:29,770 --> 00:11:32,230 You don't know these guys, the Guys bobby hung with, 259 00:11:32,729 --> 00:11:34,230 Bad, bad, bad. 260 00:11:34,230 --> 00:11:34,813 Bad, bad, bad. 261 00:11:35,438 --> 00:11:37,356 - they kill people. - they kill People. 262 00:11:38,106 --> 00:11:39,856 Yeah, people are always Disappearing around them-- 263 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:41,440 At least, that's what bobby told Me. 264 00:11:42,024 --> 00:11:44,149 Must be hell getting up a Barbecue. 265 00:11:46,776 --> 00:11:47,692 You see, in a case like this One-- 266 00:11:48,068 --> 00:11:49,360 Where a child dies-- 267 00:11:50,151 --> 00:11:51,777 We need to understand exactly How the tragedy happened. 268 00:11:52,277 --> 00:11:53,236 Then we can stop the same thing 269 00:11:53,736 --> 00:11:55,028 Happening to other children. 270 00:11:55,403 --> 00:11:56,654 Yes, we understand. 271 00:11:57,153 --> 00:11:58,238 Why don't you show me upstairs? 272 00:11:58,238 --> 00:11:59,238 Why don't you show me upstairs? 273 00:12:01,529 --> 00:12:03,614 I was in my office, 274 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,032 Checking the tokyo exchange After closing. 275 00:12:08,657 --> 00:12:10,033 Terence played in here while you Worked? 276 00:12:10,491 --> 00:12:13,784 Yeah, when claire wasn't here 277 00:12:14,201 --> 00:12:16,243 Or julie was at school. 278 00:12:16,243 --> 00:12:16,826 Or julie was at school. 279 00:12:17,534 --> 00:12:20,160 - that way, I could keep an eye On him. - right. 280 00:12:20,577 --> 00:12:21,744 So your daughter julie, 281 00:12:22,328 --> 00:12:24,454 She would babysit terence Sometimes? 282 00:12:25,037 --> 00:12:27,454 Yes. She's the one who found Him. 283 00:12:28,163 --> 00:12:28,247 And, uh, where was julie prior To finding terence? 284 00:12:28,247 --> 00:12:31,248 And, uh, where was julie prior To finding terence? 285 00:12:31,956 --> 00:12:34,249 Uh, she was in the family room Downstairs. 286 00:12:34,249 --> 00:12:35,249 Uh, she was in the family room Downstairs. 287 00:12:35,624 --> 00:12:36,916 She was watching tv. 288 00:12:37,499 --> 00:12:38,750 Could he have gone out this door Here? 289 00:12:39,291 --> 00:12:40,251 No, he can't open the front Door. 290 00:12:40,251 --> 00:12:40,458 No, he can't open the front Door. 291 00:12:41,084 --> 00:12:42,251 If terence were heading to the Backyard, 292 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:43,918 He'd come through the family Room? 293 00:12:44,126 --> 00:12:45,252 Yes. 294 00:12:46,044 --> 00:12:46,252 This is where julie was watching Television? 295 00:12:46,252 --> 00:12:46,877 This is where julie was watching Television? 296 00:12:47,086 --> 00:12:48,253 Yes. 297 00:12:48,795 --> 00:12:50,254 Mrs. Ellison, you told the Uniform 298 00:12:50,795 --> 00:12:52,128 You'd just gotten home from Work. 299 00:12:52,712 --> 00:12:54,255 Where was terence when you got Home? 300 00:12:54,796 --> 00:12:57,047 Uh, he came upstairs with me. 301 00:12:57,673 --> 00:12:58,256 And how long did he stay up here With you? 302 00:12:58,256 --> 00:12:58,506 And how long did he stay up here With you? 303 00:12:58,923 --> 00:13:00,257 Uh, for a little while, 304 00:13:00,965 --> 00:13:02,007 And then I wanted to take a Shower, 305 00:13:02,590 --> 00:13:04,258 So I sent him downstairs to his Dad. 306 00:13:04,258 --> 00:13:04,800 So I sent him downstairs to his Dad. 307 00:13:05,299 --> 00:13:06,092 Then he came down to the study 308 00:13:06,466 --> 00:13:07,676 To see you, right? 309 00:13:08,175 --> 00:13:09,926 For a few minutes, and then I... 310 00:13:10,510 --> 00:13:12,010 I called for julie to come and Get him, 311 00:13:12,593 --> 00:13:14,010 [ stutters ] And she brought him In here. 312 00:13:14,261 --> 00:13:15,719 Right. 313 00:13:16,262 --> 00:13:17,345 Well, why don't we go take a Look 314 00:13:17,928 --> 00:13:19,345 At the backyard at the swings Here? 315 00:13:20,096 --> 00:13:21,888 You told the officer that you Got home about 5:30. 316 00:13:22,304 --> 00:13:24,597 Was that your usual time? 317 00:13:25,014 --> 00:13:26,223 I'm a real estate agent. 318 00:13:26,722 --> 00:13:28,265 My hours vary depending upon... 319 00:13:28,265 --> 00:13:28,682 My hours vary depending upon... 320 00:13:29,556 --> 00:13:32,225 When a client can see a Property, when I can show a Property. 321 00:13:32,849 --> 00:13:34,267 Sometimes I don't get home till Midnight. 322 00:13:34,267 --> 00:13:34,809 Sometimes I don't get home till Midnight. 323 00:13:35,225 --> 00:13:36,476 That must've been hard, 324 00:13:37,142 --> 00:13:38,434 Not being able to be here when You want to be, 325 00:13:38,935 --> 00:13:40,102 And then getting home too tired. 326 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:44,478 I am never too tired for my Kids. 327 00:13:50,522 --> 00:13:51,939 - my little nephew sure is a Pistol. - yeah? 328 00:13:52,481 --> 00:13:54,773 Yeah, he's always into Everything. 329 00:13:55,190 --> 00:13:56,857 Terence was like that, 330 00:13:57,399 --> 00:13:58,275 Always climbing up on Everything. 331 00:13:58,275 --> 00:13:59,358 Always climbing up on Everything. 332 00:13:59,857 --> 00:14:01,984 He was a beautiful little boy. 333 00:14:02,484 --> 00:14:04,276 It must be pretty rough on you. 334 00:14:04,276 --> 00:14:05,526 It must be pretty rough on you. 335 00:14:05,985 --> 00:14:08,152 It's like I just want to die. 336 00:14:08,819 --> 00:14:10,278 You can't do that, ben. You've Got a family. 337 00:14:10,278 --> 00:14:10,653 You can't do that, ben. You've Got a family. 338 00:14:10,861 --> 00:14:13,112 Yeah. 339 00:14:13,445 --> 00:14:14,779 My name's angela, 340 00:14:15,238 --> 00:14:16,280 And this is my friend, mick. 341 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:16,697 And this is my friend, mick. 342 00:14:17,363 --> 00:14:19,072 - hello. - your name's julie, is That right? 343 00:14:21,948 --> 00:14:22,282 Hey, that's a nice monkey. 344 00:14:22,282 --> 00:14:23,657 Hey, that's a nice monkey. 345 00:14:26,241 --> 00:14:27,908 We're sorry about your brother. 346 00:14:28,741 --> 00:14:30,575 Your mom explained that we are Here to find out what happened. 347 00:14:31,076 --> 00:14:32,285 Can we ask you a few questions? 348 00:14:32,618 --> 00:14:34,286 - okay. - good. 349 00:14:34,286 --> 00:14:34,952 - okay. - good. 350 00:14:35,703 --> 00:14:38,161 Your mom says you were in the Family room watching tv 351 00:14:38,828 --> 00:14:40,287 When your brother came down. Is That right? 352 00:14:40,287 --> 00:14:40,829 When your brother came down. Is That right? 353 00:14:41,496 --> 00:14:43,288 Yeah. He wanted to go outside On the swings. 354 00:14:43,913 --> 00:14:45,330 He always wants me to swing him Up high. 355 00:14:45,706 --> 00:14:46,289 I used to like that. 356 00:14:46,289 --> 00:14:47,956 I used to like that. 357 00:14:48,498 --> 00:14:50,207 What else does he like you to Do? 358 00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:52,291 He likes to bounce on the bed, Too. 359 00:14:52,291 --> 00:14:53,541 He likes to bounce on the bed, Too. 360 00:14:54,166 --> 00:14:56,792 Kind of like a big old Trampoline, huh? 361 00:14:57,293 --> 00:14:58,293 Does he like to bounce in here? 362 00:14:58,293 --> 00:14:59,251 Does he like to bounce in here? 363 00:14:59,584 --> 00:15:03,752 On your bed? Eh? 364 00:15:04,295 --> 00:15:06,878 Julie, when you were watching Tv, 365 00:15:07,504 --> 00:15:09,296 - did you see terence go Outside? - no. 366 00:15:09,921 --> 00:15:10,297 I thought he went upstairs Maybe. 367 00:15:10,297 --> 00:15:12,171 I thought he went upstairs Maybe. 368 00:15:12,672 --> 00:15:13,797 But after a couple of minutes, 369 00:15:14,423 --> 00:15:16,007 You turned off the tv and went Outside. 370 00:15:16,339 --> 00:15:18,299 My show was over. 371 00:15:18,966 --> 00:15:21,717 Oh, and that's when you saw Terence again. 372 00:15:22,049 --> 00:15:22,300 By the swings. 373 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:23,301 By the swings. 374 00:15:24,050 --> 00:15:25,259 He was shaking all over and he Puked. 375 00:15:25,551 --> 00:15:27,302 It scared me. 376 00:15:29,677 --> 00:15:32,012 That's when you called for your Mommy and daddy. 377 00:15:32,428 --> 00:15:34,053 You did the right thing. 378 00:15:38,179 --> 00:15:40,306 [ leo ]: is that the guy you saw In the alley? 379 00:15:40,847 --> 00:15:42,472 - who is he? - he knew bobby. 380 00:15:43,140 --> 00:15:46,308 Maybe had a beef with him. Take A good look. 381 00:15:46,308 --> 00:15:46,765 Maybe had a beef with him. Take A good look. 382 00:15:47,349 --> 00:15:49,850 Is that the guy you saw in the Alley? 383 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,310 [ ruby ]: no, I've never seen Him before in my life. 384 00:15:53,268 --> 00:15:55,393 He phoned bobby six times Shortly before bobby was killed. 385 00:15:55,935 --> 00:15:57,519 Well, I've never seen him Before. 386 00:16:09,814 --> 00:16:10,315 Hey, uh, sunny and I went over The x-rays and the histology, 387 00:16:10,315 --> 00:16:12,648 Hey, uh, sunny and I went over The x-rays and the histology, 388 00:16:13,316 --> 00:16:15,191 And we do both feel that the Cause of death 389 00:16:15,774 --> 00:16:16,317 Was definitely a closed head Injury, 390 00:16:16,317 --> 00:16:17,317 Was definitely a closed head Injury, 391 00:16:18,109 --> 00:16:19,693 But there were retinal Hemorrhages in both of the eyes. 392 00:16:20,443 --> 00:16:22,235 Rapid acceleration and Deceleration caused the injury-- 393 00:16:22,985 --> 00:16:24,652 - as in shaking. - nothing else Could have done this? 394 00:16:25,445 --> 00:16:28,154 Could it have been the father Rough-housing with his son? 395 00:16:28,945 --> 00:16:30,321 - did the father say he was Playing rough? - well, no, 396 00:16:30,904 --> 00:16:32,904 But the bed was right by the Window-- 397 00:16:33,947 --> 00:16:34,322 The window's overtop of the Swing set, so if he was jumping On the bed-- no? 398 00:16:34,322 --> 00:16:35,864 The window's overtop of the Swing set, so if he was jumping On the bed-- no? 399 00:16:36,781 --> 00:16:38,324 Jumping on the bed wouldn't Cause this and neither would a Fall. 400 00:16:39,073 --> 00:16:40,324 The injury shows specific Evidence of shaking. 401 00:16:40,324 --> 00:16:41,158 The injury shows specific Evidence of shaking. 402 00:16:45,451 --> 00:16:46,326 - this happen pretty quick? - [ Sunny]: not necessarily. 403 00:16:46,326 --> 00:16:47,409 - this happen pretty quick? - [ Sunny]: not necessarily. 404 00:16:48,493 --> 00:16:50,744 Not with this kind of injury I'd Say it took probably 30 to 40 Minutes at least 405 00:16:51,744 --> 00:16:52,328 For the bleeding in the skull to Cause enough pressure on the Brain stem 406 00:16:52,328 --> 00:16:53,578 For the bleeding in the skull to Cause enough pressure on the Brain stem 407 00:16:54,162 --> 00:16:56,203 To put him in a coma and kill Him. 408 00:16:59,204 --> 00:17:00,913 You're definite? 409 00:17:02,247 --> 00:17:04,206 - yep. - okay. 410 00:17:04,539 --> 00:17:06,206 30 or 40 minutes? 411 00:17:06,832 --> 00:17:08,249 That could have been either one Of them. 412 00:17:08,957 --> 00:17:10,333 The mother's upstairs, dad's Down in his office, 413 00:17:10,333 --> 00:17:11,833 The mother's upstairs, dad's Down in his office, 414 00:17:12,625 --> 00:17:14,792 - kid's all over the house, Right? - I hate to say this, 415 00:17:15,793 --> 00:17:16,335 But it doesn't have to be the Parents. What about the Daughter, julie? 416 00:17:16,335 --> 00:17:18,336 But it doesn't have to be the Parents. What about the Daughter, julie? 417 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,878 Maybe she's jealous of her Little brother. 418 00:17:21,462 --> 00:17:22,337 - oh... - well, I had to bring It up. 419 00:17:22,337 --> 00:17:23,337 - oh... - well, I had to bring It up. 420 00:17:24,296 --> 00:17:27,172 A shaken baby-- to me, that's a Parent out of control. 421 00:17:28,130 --> 00:17:28,339 Now, if we leave this daughter, Julie, in that household any Longer, 422 00:17:28,339 --> 00:17:30,256 Now, if we leave this daughter, Julie, in that household any Longer, 423 00:17:30,964 --> 00:17:32,131 She's at serious risk of injury, Maybe even worse. 424 00:17:34,257 --> 00:17:34,341 So do you want to get social Services involved in this? 425 00:17:34,341 --> 00:17:35,341 So do you want to get social Services involved in this? 426 00:17:35,758 --> 00:17:37,342 If it was the parents, 427 00:17:37,966 --> 00:17:39,134 I don't want to take any Chances. 428 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:40,343 I say we get that girl out of That house. 429 00:17:40,343 --> 00:17:41,343 I say we get that girl out of That house. 430 00:17:41,676 --> 00:17:43,344 Claire. Claire? 431 00:17:46,969 --> 00:17:48,636 Hi, sweetie. 432 00:17:49,095 --> 00:17:50,845 What are you doing up, huh? 433 00:17:51,346 --> 00:17:52,346 You have to go to the bathroom? 434 00:17:52,929 --> 00:17:54,805 Come on, let me put you back to Bed. 435 00:17:57,264 --> 00:17:58,348 - you feeling all right? - I Want to say my prayers. 436 00:17:58,348 --> 00:18:00,182 - you feeling all right? - I Want to say my prayers. 437 00:18:00,890 --> 00:18:03,099 You want to say your prayers? That's a good idea. 438 00:18:03,558 --> 00:18:04,350 Now I lay me down to sleep. 439 00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:06,309 Now I lay me down to sleep. 440 00:18:06,808 --> 00:18:08,768 Pray the lord my soul to keep. 441 00:18:09,185 --> 00:18:10,352 If I die before I wake, 442 00:18:10,352 --> 00:18:11,352 If I die before I wake, 443 00:18:11,894 --> 00:18:13,603 Pray the lord my soul to take. 444 00:18:14,227 --> 00:18:16,354 That's great, sweetie. Good job. Come on. 445 00:18:16,354 --> 00:18:16,395 That's great, sweetie. Good job. Come on. 446 00:18:17,937 --> 00:18:19,771 Mommy teach you that? 447 00:18:20,063 --> 00:18:21,355 Here's harry. 448 00:18:21,897 --> 00:18:22,356 Give him a hug for me. 449 00:18:22,356 --> 00:18:24,356 Give him a hug for me. 450 00:18:24,814 --> 00:18:26,440 Anything you want to tell me? 451 00:18:27,148 --> 00:18:28,357 - stay with me. - daddy'll stay With you, honey. 452 00:18:28,357 --> 00:18:29,524 - stay with me. - daddy'll stay With you, honey. 453 00:18:32,233 --> 00:18:33,942 Daddy loves you. 454 00:18:35,193 --> 00:18:36,942 Sweet dreams. 455 00:18:50,947 --> 00:18:52,365 I did not shoot bobby, 456 00:18:52,365 --> 00:18:52,448 I did not shoot bobby, 457 00:18:53,114 --> 00:18:55,823 But I do congratulate the Son-of-a-- who did. 458 00:18:56,491 --> 00:18:57,991 He saved the gene pool from Another cretin. 459 00:19:00,408 --> 00:19:01,368 For an educated man, david, 460 00:19:02,076 --> 00:19:02,950 You've got a terrible rap Sheet-- 461 00:19:03,368 --> 00:19:04,285 Assault, armed robbery. 462 00:19:04,618 --> 00:19:05,951 How did you go 463 00:19:06,452 --> 00:19:07,702 From the arts to armed robbery? 464 00:19:08,370 --> 00:19:10,119 I got a little behind on my Student loans. 465 00:19:10,995 --> 00:19:13,079 Oh, yeah, those tuition payments Are kind of high, aren't they? 466 00:19:13,704 --> 00:19:14,496 I understand you and bobby go Way back. 467 00:19:14,871 --> 00:19:16,246 Yeah, a few years. 468 00:19:17,081 --> 00:19:19,373 Yeah, people tell me that you Owe him a lot of money, too. 469 00:19:20,247 --> 00:19:21,664 I owe a lot of people money. I Don't go around shooting them, 470 00:19:22,332 --> 00:19:22,374 - if that's what you're Inferring. - oh, yes, 471 00:19:22,374 --> 00:19:24,166 - if that's what you're Inferring. - oh, yes, 472 00:19:25,041 --> 00:19:26,375 I guess that is what I am Inferring, 'cause I've got a Witness 473 00:19:27,167 --> 00:19:28,376 That puts you in that alley. They saw your car 474 00:19:29,167 --> 00:19:30,959 And they wrote down your license Number. 475 00:19:31,668 --> 00:19:34,044 - when did you say this was? - Three nights ago. 476 00:19:34,835 --> 00:19:36,628 Well, it wasn't me. I was in Victoria three nights ago. 477 00:19:37,337 --> 00:19:39,170 - you drove yourself over there? - yeah, I drove. 478 00:19:39,879 --> 00:19:40,380 You got people over there who'll Vouch for you? 479 00:19:40,380 --> 00:19:41,213 You got people over there who'll Vouch for you? 480 00:19:41,838 --> 00:19:43,130 Yeah, I was staying at the Empress hotel. 481 00:19:43,755 --> 00:19:46,381 - the empress hotel? - I've got Receipts. 482 00:19:46,964 --> 00:19:48,673 You've got receipts? I wanna see Them. 483 00:19:49,340 --> 00:19:52,383 See, my accountant makes me keep Every one. 484 00:19:52,383 --> 00:19:53,384 See, my accountant makes me keep Every one. 485 00:19:54,175 --> 00:19:56,425 It's a write-off. You've got the Dates on there. 486 00:20:01,219 --> 00:20:03,928 - what's that? - that's for a Bottle of wine. 487 00:20:04,512 --> 00:20:06,388 You paid $200 for a bottle of Wine? 488 00:20:06,929 --> 00:20:08,304 No wonder you owe people money. 489 00:20:15,890 --> 00:20:16,391 Ruby. 490 00:20:16,391 --> 00:20:17,391 Ruby. 491 00:20:18,182 --> 00:20:19,391 That license plate number you Gave me? 492 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:20,974 You're sure about that plate Number? 493 00:20:21,475 --> 00:20:22,392 - yeah. What? - okay, come on. 494 00:20:22,392 --> 00:20:23,975 - yeah. What? - okay, come on. 495 00:20:24,893 --> 00:20:27,394 We pulled the guy in that owns The car that you saw in the Alley. 496 00:20:28,102 --> 00:20:28,394 I want you to come in here and Take a look at him. 497 00:20:28,394 --> 00:20:30,103 I want you to come in here and Take a look at him. 498 00:20:30,395 --> 00:20:32,395 Okay, good. 499 00:20:32,895 --> 00:20:34,396 Okay, take a look. 500 00:20:34,396 --> 00:20:34,646 Okay, take a look. 501 00:20:37,814 --> 00:20:38,563 That's him. That's the guy I Saw. 502 00:20:38,855 --> 00:20:40,398 No mistake. 503 00:20:40,398 --> 00:20:41,106 No mistake. 504 00:20:41,689 --> 00:20:43,816 Okay, come on. We're going for a Ride. 505 00:20:46,650 --> 00:20:48,150 Hey, tell that guy in interview He can go home. 506 00:20:48,608 --> 00:20:49,775 What? That's the guy I saw. 507 00:20:50,275 --> 00:20:51,401 Where'd you take your training, 508 00:20:51,901 --> 00:20:52,402 The school for morons, you jerk? 509 00:20:52,402 --> 00:20:53,235 The school for morons, you jerk? 510 00:20:53,902 --> 00:20:55,403 I think you're jumping the gun On this one. 511 00:20:55,860 --> 00:20:57,569 I went by the ellison house 512 00:20:58,237 --> 00:20:58,403 And, from what I saw, it's a Normal family. 513 00:20:58,403 --> 00:21:00,320 And, from what I saw, it's a Normal family. 514 00:21:01,113 --> 00:21:03,405 The child, julie, outside of her Grief for her brother, 515 00:21:04,154 --> 00:21:04,405 - seems perfectly adjusted-- - That's dead brother. 516 00:21:04,405 --> 00:21:05,696 - seems perfectly adjusted-- - That's dead brother. 517 00:21:06,322 --> 00:21:07,739 Your report should read "Dead Brother." 518 00:21:08,323 --> 00:21:10,115 My concern is with the living Child. 519 00:21:10,740 --> 00:21:12,408 - that makes two of us. - the Point is, 520 00:21:13,199 --> 00:21:14,908 I saw no sign of any physical or Emotional abuse. 521 00:21:15,783 --> 00:21:16,409 Okay, I've got two pathologists Willing to testify in open court 522 00:21:16,409 --> 00:21:17,826 Okay, I've got two pathologists Willing to testify in open court 523 00:21:18,700 --> 00:21:20,493 That this baby died of a severe Shaking. That's abuse, isn't it? 524 00:21:21,285 --> 00:21:22,411 And as I understand it, the Pathologist at the hospital 525 00:21:22,411 --> 00:21:23,202 And as I understand it, the Pathologist at the hospital 526 00:21:23,786 --> 00:21:25,161 Didn't come to the same Conclusion. 527 00:21:25,828 --> 00:21:27,245 He believed that terence died From a fall. 528 00:21:27,954 --> 00:21:28,413 We've now discovered the doctor Was wrong, okay? 529 00:21:28,413 --> 00:21:29,454 We've now discovered the doctor Was wrong, okay? 530 00:21:30,496 --> 00:21:31,913 There's different information Available now than when they did The autopsy. 531 00:21:32,247 --> 00:21:33,622 You know that. 532 00:21:34,373 --> 00:21:34,415 If I pull this child from her Home and you're wrong, 533 00:21:34,415 --> 00:21:35,997 If I pull this child from her Home and you're wrong, 534 00:21:36,623 --> 00:21:37,832 You're making a painful Situation worse. 535 00:21:38,499 --> 00:21:40,416 If you do nothing, the child is In danger. 536 00:21:40,416 --> 00:21:40,749 If you do nothing, the child is In danger. 537 00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:45,042 Have the parents been charged With anything? 538 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:46,418 - no, not at this point. - then In my judgment, until you have More, 539 00:21:46,418 --> 00:21:48,210 - no, not at this point. - then In my judgment, until you have More, 540 00:21:48,752 --> 00:21:49,544 I think it's in the best Interest 541 00:21:50,002 --> 00:21:51,711 To leave julie where she is. 542 00:21:52,169 --> 00:21:52,420 Call me if anything changes. 543 00:21:52,420 --> 00:21:53,670 Call me if anything changes. 544 00:21:54,462 --> 00:21:56,046 If julie ends up in the morgue, I should give you a call? 545 00:21:56,879 --> 00:21:58,422 Get me something to justify me Taking that child from her home. 546 00:21:58,422 --> 00:21:58,880 Get me something to justify me Taking that child from her home. 547 00:21:59,213 --> 00:22:00,505 I've got to go. 548 00:22:00,922 --> 00:22:03,423 Until then, I'm sorry. 549 00:22:08,675 --> 00:22:10,426 Okay, ruby, come on. Let's go. 550 00:22:10,426 --> 00:22:11,426 Okay, ruby, come on. Let's go. 551 00:22:12,050 --> 00:22:13,385 This is where bobby was found 552 00:22:13,759 --> 00:22:14,718 That morning, okay? 553 00:22:15,343 --> 00:22:16,427 Over here. Right here. Exactly Right here. 554 00:22:17,136 --> 00:22:18,928 Now where were you? Where was Your car? 555 00:22:19,386 --> 00:22:21,595 - over there. - over there? 556 00:22:21,971 --> 00:22:22,429 - yeah. - show me. 557 00:22:22,429 --> 00:22:23,304 - yeah. - show me. 558 00:22:23,554 --> 00:22:25,888 It was... 559 00:22:26,596 --> 00:22:28,431 It was right here. A car was Parked right here. 560 00:22:28,431 --> 00:22:29,389 It was right here. A car was Parked right here. 561 00:22:30,014 --> 00:22:31,557 - right here? Exactly right Here? - yes? 562 00:22:32,182 --> 00:22:33,558 Okay, so you had a good view From here? 563 00:22:34,099 --> 00:22:34,433 You saw everything that went Down. 564 00:22:34,433 --> 00:22:35,433 You saw everything that went Down. 565 00:22:35,891 --> 00:22:37,434 Yes. You can see right there 566 00:22:38,016 --> 00:22:39,892 Where he threw bobby out of the Car. 567 00:22:40,601 --> 00:22:42,435 These are some crime pictures Taken of the scene 568 00:22:42,977 --> 00:22:44,018 The morning that bobby was Found. 569 00:22:44,477 --> 00:22:45,978 See these big dumpsters here? 570 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,478 They were being used by a Company 571 00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:49,312 Doing some work in the Warehouse. 572 00:22:49,979 --> 00:22:51,479 Now, if you were here, exactly In this spot, 573 00:22:52,105 --> 00:22:52,438 You were right behind those Dumpsters, 574 00:22:52,438 --> 00:22:53,730 You were right behind those Dumpsters, 575 00:22:54,522 --> 00:22:55,730 Then there's no way in hell you Could have seen anything. 576 00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:58,440 Um... 577 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,731 Um... 578 00:23:03,024 --> 00:23:04,442 Maybe... 579 00:23:04,442 --> 00:23:04,984 Maybe... 580 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,609 I was parked over there. 581 00:23:07,317 --> 00:23:08,443 Ruby, quit your lying and tell Me the truth now. 582 00:23:11,153 --> 00:23:12,445 - he's going to kill me if I Tell-- - who's going to kill You? 583 00:23:12,777 --> 00:23:14,028 - ed. - ed? 584 00:23:14,653 --> 00:23:16,446 - the guy you never saw before? - yes. 585 00:23:16,446 --> 00:23:17,446 - the guy you never saw before? - yes. 586 00:23:17,821 --> 00:23:19,780 Okay, come on. 587 00:23:23,448 --> 00:23:25,449 - good afternoon, detectives. - Counselor. 588 00:23:26,073 --> 00:23:28,450 Good afternoon, counselor. Have A seat. 589 00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:28,949 Good afternoon, counselor. Have A seat. 590 00:23:34,076 --> 00:23:34,451 Would either of you like to tell Me 591 00:23:34,451 --> 00:23:35,452 Would either of you like to tell Me 592 00:23:36,285 --> 00:23:37,452 Why homicide's investigating an Accidental death? 593 00:23:38,369 --> 00:23:39,828 Yeah. We have a few questions About how terence died. 594 00:23:40,161 --> 00:23:40,453 Ask them then. 595 00:23:40,453 --> 00:23:41,370 Ask them then. 596 00:23:41,661 --> 00:23:43,328 All right. 597 00:23:43,704 --> 00:23:45,455 You're a stockbroker? 598 00:23:45,954 --> 00:23:46,455 I'm a day trader, to be exact. 599 00:23:46,455 --> 00:23:47,746 I'm a day trader, to be exact. 600 00:23:48,497 --> 00:23:51,123 That's high-risk investing, from What I know about it. 601 00:23:51,498 --> 00:23:52,457 I make a good living. 602 00:23:52,457 --> 00:23:52,999 I make a good living. 603 00:23:53,790 --> 00:23:55,124 Which is what you were trying to Do the day your son died? 604 00:23:55,332 --> 00:23:57,208 Yes. 605 00:23:57,749 --> 00:23:58,459 How was trading for you that Day? 606 00:23:58,459 --> 00:24:00,126 How was trading for you that Day? 607 00:24:00,750 --> 00:24:04,085 Well, there are so many ups and Downs, 608 00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:06,294 It's hard to judge from one Day's loss. 609 00:24:07,044 --> 00:24:08,670 - so you did lose money that Day? - don't answer that. 610 00:24:09,420 --> 00:24:10,462 I can understand-- you're on a Bit of a losing streak, 611 00:24:10,462 --> 00:24:11,713 I can understand-- you're on a Bit of a losing streak, 612 00:24:12,337 --> 00:24:13,921 You get home, the kids are Carrying on-- 613 00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:15,714 It could leave you feeling a Little aggravated. 614 00:24:16,047 --> 00:24:16,464 Move on, please. 615 00:24:16,464 --> 00:24:17,797 Move on, please. 616 00:24:18,548 --> 00:24:20,465 Mrs. Ellison, you said you were On your feet all day, 617 00:24:21,132 --> 00:24:22,466 - that you were tired. - I never Said that. 618 00:24:22,466 --> 00:24:23,966 - that you were tired. - I never Said that. 619 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:27,301 How was terence when you got Home after work? Was he cranky? 620 00:24:27,717 --> 00:24:28,468 He was happy to see me. 621 00:24:28,468 --> 00:24:30,051 He was happy to see me. 622 00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:32,469 But you needed to take a shower To wash some of the day off, Right? 623 00:24:32,927 --> 00:24:34,470 And terence wanted to play. 624 00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:35,470 And terence wanted to play. 625 00:24:36,137 --> 00:24:37,803 I told you, I sent him Downstairs to his dad. 626 00:24:38,512 --> 00:24:40,472 Because you were angry, you were A little on edge. 627 00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:43,181 - you just didn't want to deal With him. - she took a shower. 628 00:24:43,847 --> 00:24:45,598 I take a shower when I get home From work. 629 00:24:46,182 --> 00:24:46,473 You know, it just seems a little Odd 630 00:24:46,473 --> 00:24:47,724 You know, it just seems a little Odd 631 00:24:48,432 --> 00:24:49,724 That a child of three would be Left unsupervised-- 632 00:24:50,391 --> 00:24:52,475 - even for a few minutes. - do You have kids? 633 00:24:52,475 --> 00:24:52,641 - even for a few minutes. - do You have kids? 634 00:24:53,142 --> 00:24:55,851 Either of you? Didn't think so. 635 00:24:56,518 --> 00:24:58,477 Terence didn't die from falling Off a swing. 636 00:24:58,477 --> 00:24:59,518 Terence didn't die from falling Off a swing. 637 00:24:59,894 --> 00:25:01,478 Somebody shook him. 638 00:25:02,145 --> 00:25:03,479 Somebody shook him hard enough To kill him. 639 00:25:06,563 --> 00:25:08,271 Shook him? I don't understand. 640 00:25:08,771 --> 00:25:09,813 Shook him? What does that mean? 641 00:25:10,397 --> 00:25:10,481 [ counselor ]: this interview is Over. 642 00:25:10,481 --> 00:25:11,522 [ counselor ]: this interview is Over. 643 00:25:12,106 --> 00:25:14,023 No. I want to know what he Means. 644 00:25:14,773 --> 00:25:16,483 Are you saying somebody-- Somebody did this to him? 645 00:25:16,483 --> 00:25:16,691 Are you saying somebody-- Somebody did this to him? 646 00:25:17,608 --> 00:25:18,900 Mrs. Ellison, I advise you not To say anything more at this Point. 647 00:25:19,317 --> 00:25:21,026 This interview is over. 648 00:25:37,739 --> 00:25:39,114 Bobby was my ex-boyfriend, 649 00:25:39,656 --> 00:25:40,490 And he wouldn't let go, you Know? 650 00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:41,490 And he wouldn't let go, you Know? 651 00:25:42,199 --> 00:25:43,657 He was always following me, and He would beat me, 652 00:25:44,365 --> 00:25:45,741 And I thought he was going to Kill me for sure, 653 00:25:46,366 --> 00:25:46,492 Especially when I started going Out with ed, 654 00:25:46,492 --> 00:25:47,742 Especially when I started going Out with ed, 655 00:25:48,326 --> 00:25:50,493 Who bobby thought was beneath Him. 656 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,494 So, ed said he'd talk to bobby, 657 00:25:52,494 --> 00:25:53,785 So, ed said he'd talk to bobby, 658 00:25:54,452 --> 00:25:56,244 And let him know that he Shouldn't hurt me. 659 00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:58,496 So, I told bobby that ed and I Broke up, 660 00:25:58,496 --> 00:25:58,995 So, I told bobby that ed and I Broke up, 661 00:25:59,704 --> 00:26:01,038 And ed wanted to pay him the Money he owed him, 662 00:26:01,371 --> 00:26:02,497 But we were late, 663 00:26:03,205 --> 00:26:04,122 And ed kept calling bobby's Phone, 664 00:26:04,538 --> 00:26:05,789 But bobby wouldn't answer 665 00:26:06,498 --> 00:26:07,581 'cause he thought it was funny To keep ed waiting, 666 00:26:08,248 --> 00:26:09,499 Which I didn't know, but that Made ed angry, 667 00:26:10,041 --> 00:26:10,499 And bobby got in the car with Ed, 668 00:26:10,499 --> 00:26:12,541 And bobby got in the car with Ed, 669 00:26:12,791 --> 00:26:15,292 And... 670 00:26:15,584 --> 00:26:16,501 Ed shot him. 671 00:26:16,501 --> 00:26:17,751 Ed shot him. 672 00:26:18,460 --> 00:26:20,710 [ sobs ] I didn't know he was Going to shoot him. 673 00:26:21,419 --> 00:26:22,503 He just said talk, that's all, Just talk to him. 674 00:26:22,503 --> 00:26:25,545 He just said talk, that's all, Just talk to him. 675 00:26:27,837 --> 00:26:28,505 And... 676 00:26:28,505 --> 00:26:30,297 And... 677 00:26:31,047 --> 00:26:32,506 I can show you where he said he Threw the gun away. 678 00:26:33,380 --> 00:26:34,507 No, that's all right. We'll get To that later. 679 00:26:34,507 --> 00:26:36,132 No, that's all right. We'll get To that later. 680 00:26:36,882 --> 00:26:38,508 Which one of these guys did you Start dating first? 681 00:26:38,966 --> 00:26:40,508 Bobby. But I liked ed better, 682 00:26:40,508 --> 00:26:41,842 Bobby. But I liked ed better, 683 00:26:42,550 --> 00:26:44,176 So I broke up with bobby and Started dating ed. 684 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,510 How did you end up in the car With bobby? 685 00:26:46,843 --> 00:26:48,260 I lied to bobby. 686 00:26:48,844 --> 00:26:49,969 I told him that ed and I had Broken up 687 00:26:50,553 --> 00:26:51,595 And I wanted to get back with Him, 688 00:26:52,303 --> 00:26:52,512 But that was just to fool him Into coming here 689 00:26:52,512 --> 00:26:53,512 But that was just to fool him Into coming here 690 00:26:54,095 --> 00:26:55,054 Because ed owed him money. 691 00:26:55,638 --> 00:26:58,347 - you understand? - no. Not Really. 692 00:26:59,056 --> 00:27:01,348 Why don't you just show me where Ed hid the gun? 693 00:27:01,681 --> 00:27:03,349 [ engine starts ] 694 00:27:04,057 --> 00:27:04,516 One of those parents definitely Shook that kid. 695 00:27:04,516 --> 00:27:06,557 One of those parents definitely Shook that kid. 696 00:27:07,016 --> 00:27:08,308 The other may not know it. 697 00:27:08,934 --> 00:27:10,518 We charge them, pit them against Each other, 698 00:27:10,518 --> 00:27:10,975 We charge them, pit them against Each other, 699 00:27:11,434 --> 00:27:12,518 Set them against each other, 700 00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:14,602 The one who did it comes Forward. 701 00:27:15,102 --> 00:27:16,478 We can't use a shotgun approach 702 00:27:17,061 --> 00:27:18,144 And charge them to see how they React 703 00:27:18,728 --> 00:27:20,103 Because we don't have enough Evidence. 704 00:27:20,646 --> 00:27:22,521 The autopsy report is Definitive. 705 00:27:22,938 --> 00:27:24,146 This is a shaken baby. 706 00:27:24,605 --> 00:27:25,772 It clearly indicates that. 707 00:27:26,439 --> 00:27:27,523 This is a type of injury that Does not occur 708 00:27:28,147 --> 00:27:28,523 In any other circumstance. 709 00:27:28,523 --> 00:27:29,524 In any other circumstance. 710 00:27:30,398 --> 00:27:31,565 I know. I've seen the report. But there's no bruising, 711 00:27:32,191 --> 00:27:33,566 There's no indication of ongoing Abuse. 712 00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:34,525 I mean, maybe it wasn't Intentional. 713 00:27:34,525 --> 00:27:35,816 I mean, maybe it wasn't Intentional. 714 00:27:36,651 --> 00:27:38,526 What are the chances we can pin Criminal negligence on them? 715 00:27:39,276 --> 00:27:40,527 Well, we still have to know Which one did it-- 716 00:27:40,527 --> 00:27:41,527 Well, we still have to know Which one did it-- 717 00:27:41,944 --> 00:27:43,528 If it was the parents. 718 00:27:44,194 --> 00:27:46,529 - now, there's another child, Right? - yeah. 719 00:27:46,529 --> 00:27:47,153 - now, there's another child, Right? - yeah. 720 00:27:48,862 --> 00:27:51,113 Yeah. That's right. 721 00:27:51,655 --> 00:27:52,531 It's time for a formal Interview. 722 00:27:52,531 --> 00:27:53,572 It's time for a formal Interview. 723 00:27:54,405 --> 00:27:57,532 Well, we're going to have to Bring child services in on this. 724 00:27:58,366 --> 00:27:58,532 Do we have to? I kind of tried That route... 725 00:27:58,532 --> 00:28:00,783 Do we have to? I kind of tried That route... 726 00:28:01,242 --> 00:28:02,075 We didn't really hit it off. 727 00:28:02,283 --> 00:28:04,200 Oh. 728 00:28:04,784 --> 00:28:05,951 Okay, well, I'll see what I can Do. 729 00:28:06,409 --> 00:28:07,576 Don't even say you know me. 730 00:28:18,163 --> 00:28:21,164 I was just thinking, a couple of Days ago, 731 00:28:21,705 --> 00:28:22,540 When I was taking julie to School, 732 00:28:22,540 --> 00:28:24,123 When I was taking julie to School, 733 00:28:24,623 --> 00:28:25,832 I had terence in the car seat, 734 00:28:26,457 --> 00:28:28,542 And this car pulled out in front Of us, 735 00:28:28,542 --> 00:28:29,458 And this car pulled out in front Of us, 736 00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:31,417 Came out of nowhere, 737 00:28:31,917 --> 00:28:34,543 And I had to slam on the brakes, 738 00:28:34,543 --> 00:28:34,751 And I had to slam on the brakes, 739 00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:38,086 And terence started crying. 740 00:28:38,419 --> 00:28:40,170 I don't know... 741 00:28:40,878 --> 00:28:42,420 What if I didn't have his belt On tight enough, 742 00:28:42,879 --> 00:28:46,547 And that's when he got hurt? 743 00:28:46,547 --> 00:28:47,005 And that's when he got hurt? 744 00:28:47,381 --> 00:28:49,548 You didn't do this. 745 00:28:50,048 --> 00:28:51,632 They've made a mistake. 746 00:29:00,884 --> 00:29:02,218 No. No, no, no. No. 747 00:29:02,468 --> 00:29:03,385 She's... 748 00:29:03,677 --> 00:29:04,553 She's a liar. 749 00:29:05,052 --> 00:29:06,594 Ed, we found the gun you used 750 00:29:07,262 --> 00:29:09,595 In lost lagoon. Your prints are All over it. 751 00:29:10,012 --> 00:29:10,555 Well, yeah, I shot him, 752 00:29:10,555 --> 00:29:12,304 Well, yeah, I shot him, 753 00:29:12,763 --> 00:29:14,556 But not like she says I did. 754 00:29:17,515 --> 00:29:19,182 - she made me. - she made you? 755 00:29:19,557 --> 00:29:21,182 How did she make you? 756 00:29:21,641 --> 00:29:22,558 How did she make you do it? 757 00:29:22,558 --> 00:29:23,225 How did she make you do it? 758 00:29:28,518 --> 00:29:28,560 She said that bobby was going to Kill her, 759 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,227 She said that bobby was going to Kill her, 760 00:29:31,769 --> 00:29:32,852 And he was going to kill me, Too, 761 00:29:33,395 --> 00:29:34,562 'cause she was in love with me Now 762 00:29:34,562 --> 00:29:34,603 'cause she was in love with me Now 763 00:29:34,937 --> 00:29:35,770 And not with him. 764 00:29:36,062 --> 00:29:38,563 He's crazy. 765 00:29:39,397 --> 00:29:40,564 But you're the one who pulled The trigger, right? 766 00:29:40,564 --> 00:29:40,980 But you're the one who pulled The trigger, right? 767 00:29:41,230 --> 00:29:42,730 Yeah... 768 00:29:43,064 --> 00:29:45,731 [ ed stuttering ] 769 00:29:46,482 --> 00:29:46,566 Let me talk to her, 'cause then I can get her to tell 770 00:29:46,566 --> 00:29:48,190 Let me talk to her, 'cause then I can get her to tell 771 00:29:48,899 --> 00:29:52,442 - what really happened. - you Willing to wire up? 772 00:29:52,858 --> 00:29:54,442 Yes. What does that mean? 773 00:29:55,235 --> 00:29:57,610 Are you willing to wear a Recording device on your body 774 00:29:58,277 --> 00:29:58,569 That will record your Conversation with ruby? 775 00:29:58,569 --> 00:29:59,528 That will record your Conversation with ruby? 776 00:30:00,027 --> 00:30:02,570 Yeah, I'm willing. I'm willing. 777 00:30:02,903 --> 00:30:04,279 Smart choice. 778 00:30:10,114 --> 00:30:10,573 - hello. - hi. 779 00:30:10,573 --> 00:30:12,574 - hello. - hi. 780 00:30:13,031 --> 00:30:15,199 Listen, before we go in, 781 00:30:16,032 --> 00:30:16,575 I need you both to consider Julie's age and circumstances. 782 00:30:16,575 --> 00:30:18,325 I need you both to consider Julie's age and circumstances. 783 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,576 She's very fragile, so will you Please just keep your questions 784 00:30:22,577 --> 00:30:24,868 - simple and considerate? - oh, Well, let's just stop right now, 785 00:30:25,494 --> 00:30:26,869 Because all we had prepared were A bunch 786 00:30:27,494 --> 00:30:28,578 Of complex and inconsiderate Questions. 787 00:30:28,578 --> 00:30:28,953 Of complex and inconsiderate Questions. 788 00:30:29,745 --> 00:30:31,620 Nobody's looking to beat a Confession out of anybody here. 789 00:30:32,371 --> 00:30:34,580 Just try to keep an open mind, And we'll do the same. 790 00:30:35,414 --> 00:30:37,539 If I feel that you're being Inappropriate, I'll intervene. 791 00:30:41,249 --> 00:30:42,541 Counselor? 792 00:30:44,624 --> 00:30:46,250 We're actually here to see the Ellisons' daughter. 793 00:30:46,709 --> 00:30:47,750 Well, I'm sorry, detectives, 794 00:30:48,418 --> 00:30:49,585 You're going to have to leave The premises. 795 00:30:50,334 --> 00:30:51,710 This is a restraining order from The supreme court 796 00:30:52,335 --> 00:30:52,586 Preventing you or anyone from Your office 797 00:30:52,586 --> 00:30:53,586 Preventing you or anyone from Your office 798 00:30:54,461 --> 00:30:55,587 From speaking to any member of The ellison family, 799 00:30:56,169 --> 00:30:57,628 Including julie ellison. 800 00:30:58,129 --> 00:30:58,588 - have a nice day. - thank you. 801 00:30:58,588 --> 00:30:59,713 - have a nice day. - thank you. 802 00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:28,597 It wasn't her, honey. 803 00:31:28,597 --> 00:31:29,638 It wasn't her, honey. 804 00:31:30,055 --> 00:31:32,264 She didn't hurt terence. 805 00:31:44,768 --> 00:31:46,602 [ beeping ] 806 00:31:46,602 --> 00:31:47,060 [ beeping ] 807 00:31:47,394 --> 00:31:49,603 [ beeping stops ] 808 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,608 Excuse me. 809 00:32:05,441 --> 00:32:07,025 - what are you doing here? - my Name's dominic da vinci. 810 00:32:07,692 --> 00:32:09,026 I'm the coroner working on your Son's case, 811 00:32:09,692 --> 00:32:10,610 Which gives me the authority to Be back here. 812 00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:11,026 Which gives me the authority to Be back here. 813 00:32:11,526 --> 00:32:12,776 Well, I don't care who you are, 814 00:32:13,444 --> 00:32:14,235 You can't be here without our Lawyer present. 815 00:32:14,611 --> 00:32:16,612 Your lawyer, okay. 816 00:32:16,612 --> 00:32:16,695 Your lawyer, okay. 817 00:32:17,028 --> 00:32:18,403 This swing set-- 818 00:32:19,112 --> 00:32:20,446 What would you say at its Highest point it is? 819 00:32:22,238 --> 00:32:22,613 And this is where you found your Son. 820 00:32:22,613 --> 00:32:23,822 And this is where you found your Son. 821 00:32:24,030 --> 00:32:27,072 Here. 822 00:32:27,448 --> 00:32:28,573 See, now, we know-- 823 00:32:29,198 --> 00:32:30,574 And we know this for an absolute Fact-- 824 00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:34,075 That the chances of a child Falling and then dying, 825 00:32:34,533 --> 00:32:34,617 From a distance like this, 826 00:32:34,617 --> 00:32:36,242 From a distance like this, 827 00:32:36,618 --> 00:32:39,285 Are just about zero. 828 00:32:39,744 --> 00:32:40,619 That's not how your son died. 829 00:32:40,619 --> 00:32:43,453 That's not how your son died. 830 00:32:44,286 --> 00:32:46,621 Your son died as a result of Someone shaking him so severely 831 00:32:46,621 --> 00:32:46,746 Your son died as a result of Someone shaking him so severely 832 00:32:47,287 --> 00:32:48,704 It caused his brain to Hemorrhage. 833 00:32:49,163 --> 00:32:51,247 We've told you what happened. 834 00:32:51,955 --> 00:32:52,623 No. I don't think you really Know what happened. 835 00:32:52,623 --> 00:32:53,497 No. I don't think you really Know what happened. 836 00:32:54,081 --> 00:32:55,624 - is your husband home? - he's Out. 837 00:32:56,123 --> 00:32:57,665 What about your daughter, julie? 838 00:32:58,207 --> 00:32:58,625 You can't speak with my Daughter. 839 00:32:58,625 --> 00:32:59,625 You can't speak with my Daughter. 840 00:33:00,541 --> 00:33:01,042 - we have a restraining order. - Against the police. 841 00:33:01,417 --> 00:33:03,083 I'm not the police... 842 00:33:05,752 --> 00:33:07,335 I'm here to tell you that you Can allow your daughter to talk To me, 843 00:33:08,127 --> 00:33:10,210 And we can possibly discover the Truth, or we can extend 844 00:33:10,711 --> 00:33:11,878 This extremely painful situation 845 00:33:12,462 --> 00:33:14,463 Into months and possibly even Years. 846 00:33:21,548 --> 00:33:22,632 Please let me talk to her. 847 00:33:22,632 --> 00:33:23,132 Please let me talk to her. 848 00:33:28,050 --> 00:33:28,634 Now, julie, do you remember the Two policemen that came here, 849 00:33:28,634 --> 00:33:29,967 Now, julie, do you remember the Two policemen that came here, 850 00:33:30,884 --> 00:33:32,718 And they were asking you Questions about your brother, Terence? 851 00:33:33,343 --> 00:33:34,636 Yeah, a policewoman asked me Questions. 852 00:33:34,636 --> 00:33:35,636 Yeah, a policewoman asked me Questions. 853 00:33:36,344 --> 00:33:38,470 That's right, and what you told Her 854 00:33:39,219 --> 00:33:40,637 Was that your brother, terence, Was in here with you 855 00:33:40,637 --> 00:33:41,471 Was that your brother, terence, Was in here with you 856 00:33:42,471 --> 00:33:44,639 - when you were watching tv. - Yeah. He was bugging me to play With him. 857 00:33:45,347 --> 00:33:46,639 He was bugging you? Did that Make you mad? 858 00:33:46,639 --> 00:33:46,847 He was bugging you? Did that Make you mad? 859 00:33:47,348 --> 00:33:49,431 Yeah. I was trying to watch tv. 860 00:33:50,098 --> 00:33:51,891 Oh, yeah, yeah. That can really Make you mad. 861 00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:52,641 So, did you give him a shove, Give him a push? 862 00:33:52,641 --> 00:33:55,016 So, did you give him a shove, Give him a push? 863 00:33:55,308 --> 00:33:57,768 - no. - no? 864 00:33:58,309 --> 00:33:58,643 How was he feeling, your Brother? 865 00:33:58,643 --> 00:33:59,893 How was he feeling, your Brother? 866 00:34:00,310 --> 00:34:01,894 Was he happy? Was he sad? 867 00:34:02,185 --> 00:34:03,644 I don't know. 868 00:34:04,227 --> 00:34:04,645 But he wanted to go outside to Play-- 869 00:34:04,645 --> 00:34:05,770 But he wanted to go outside to Play-- 870 00:34:06,561 --> 00:34:08,854 So he wasn't feeling sick or Anything like that, was he? 871 00:34:09,562 --> 00:34:10,647 - I don't think so. - [da Vinci]: where was he 872 00:34:10,647 --> 00:34:12,355 - I don't think so. - [da Vinci]: where was he 873 00:34:12,855 --> 00:34:14,522 Before he came in here with you? 874 00:34:15,189 --> 00:34:16,648 - with daddy in his study. - how Do you know? 875 00:34:16,648 --> 00:34:18,273 - with daddy in his study. - how Do you know? 876 00:34:18,607 --> 00:34:19,940 Daddy called me. 877 00:34:20,524 --> 00:34:21,858 He wanted me to play with Terence. 878 00:34:22,524 --> 00:34:22,650 Why did daddy want you to play With terence? 879 00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:24,400 Why did daddy want you to play With terence? 880 00:34:25,068 --> 00:34:27,318 Because terence was being a pain In the butt. 881 00:34:27,777 --> 00:34:28,652 Was that what your dad said? 882 00:34:28,652 --> 00:34:29,735 Was that what your dad said? 883 00:34:30,444 --> 00:34:33,654 Yeah. I heard him when I went In to get terence. 884 00:34:33,904 --> 00:34:34,654 Oh, yeah? 885 00:34:34,654 --> 00:34:36,279 Oh, yeah? 886 00:34:38,321 --> 00:34:40,113 What was he saying, your dad? 887 00:34:40,739 --> 00:34:42,822 That he was a bad boy and to Stop crying. 888 00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:46,658 So, he was mad, pretty mad your Dad, was he? 889 00:34:46,658 --> 00:34:46,866 So, he was mad, pretty mad your Dad, was he? 890 00:34:47,074 --> 00:34:48,949 Yes. 891 00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:54,951 [ car engine starts ] 892 00:35:00,161 --> 00:35:01,162 Okay, tell me again. Tell me Again. 893 00:35:01,745 --> 00:35:02,746 You've got to lead her a little Bit, 894 00:35:03,371 --> 00:35:03,871 Like, "Hey ruby, the cops picked Me up." 895 00:35:04,454 --> 00:35:04,663 "Hey, ruby, the cops picked me Up." 896 00:35:04,663 --> 00:35:05,664 "Hey, ruby, the cops picked me Up." 897 00:35:06,163 --> 00:35:07,622 And you don't know what to do, 898 00:35:08,247 --> 00:35:09,331 On account of she told you to Kill bobby. 899 00:35:09,623 --> 00:35:10,665 "Hey, ruby... 900 00:35:10,665 --> 00:35:11,956 "Hey, ruby... 901 00:35:13,457 --> 00:35:14,333 "The cops picked me up. 902 00:35:14,749 --> 00:35:15,667 "The cops picked me up, 903 00:35:16,166 --> 00:35:16,667 And I don't know what to do." 904 00:35:17,167 --> 00:35:18,668 "I don't know what to do." 905 00:35:19,459 --> 00:35:22,168 You've got to lead her into Saying she told you to do it. 906 00:35:22,794 --> 00:35:24,669 - okay. - okay. Let's go over It again. 907 00:35:25,086 --> 00:35:26,294 Hey, ruby. 908 00:35:27,045 --> 00:35:28,587 The cops picked me up and I Don't know what to do. 909 00:35:29,045 --> 00:35:30,921 Okay. We'll go with that. 910 00:35:31,671 --> 00:35:33,672 As soon as she admits anything, We'll move right in. 911 00:35:34,172 --> 00:35:34,672 Here. Put your shirt on. 912 00:35:34,672 --> 00:35:34,880 Here. Put your shirt on. 913 00:35:35,089 --> 00:35:36,923 Okay. 914 00:35:41,675 --> 00:35:43,675 Hey, ruby. Hey, ruby. 915 00:35:44,008 --> 00:35:45,676 Hey, ruby. 916 00:35:46,009 --> 00:35:46,676 Ruby, hey. 917 00:35:46,676 --> 00:35:46,717 Ruby, hey. 918 00:35:54,553 --> 00:35:56,054 Based upon what I just heard in There, 919 00:35:56,804 --> 00:35:57,970 I'm going to have to phone Social services right now 920 00:35:58,513 --> 00:35:58,680 And recommend they come down Here 921 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,263 And recommend they come down Here 922 00:36:01,138 --> 00:36:02,514 - and remove your daughter from The home. - you can't do that. 923 00:36:03,306 --> 00:36:04,682 You have no right to decide What's best for my family. 924 00:36:05,306 --> 00:36:06,473 I just can't, in all good Conscience, 925 00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:07,973 Leave her living here-- 926 00:36:08,641 --> 00:36:09,891 As long as your husband's also Living here. 927 00:36:10,475 --> 00:36:10,683 Are you suggesting I throw him Out? 928 00:36:10,683 --> 00:36:11,725 Are you suggesting I throw him Out? 929 00:36:12,308 --> 00:36:13,684 He's not a threat to julie, to Anyone. 930 00:36:14,184 --> 00:36:15,976 I'm not so sure about that. 931 00:36:16,893 --> 00:36:19,061 He lied to us regarding the Circumstances of your son's Death. 932 00:36:19,894 --> 00:36:21,687 You're asking me to break up my Family. I have lost my son. 933 00:36:22,436 --> 00:36:22,687 Do you want me to lose my Daughter or my husband? 934 00:36:22,687 --> 00:36:23,687 Do you want me to lose my Daughter or my husband? 935 00:36:24,437 --> 00:36:25,688 That's a choice you're going to Have to make. 936 00:36:25,938 --> 00:36:26,938 Hello? 937 00:36:27,563 --> 00:36:28,689 Yeah. Could you get me sharon, Please? 938 00:36:28,689 --> 00:36:28,939 Yeah. Could you get me sharon, Please? 939 00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:09,034 Ed, let go! Get your hands off Me. 940 00:37:09,535 --> 00:37:10,702 - hey! - mind your own business. 941 00:37:11,244 --> 00:37:11,868 - what are you doing? - get Lost! 942 00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:14,160 Ed... Ow! 943 00:37:14,828 --> 00:37:16,704 You hurt me, there's a roomful Of witnesses. 944 00:37:16,704 --> 00:37:16,870 You hurt me, there's a roomful Of witnesses. 945 00:37:17,662 --> 00:37:19,705 I'm not going to hurt you. Just Calm down. Calm down. 946 00:37:20,204 --> 00:37:21,663 - all right-- - don't touch me! 947 00:37:22,288 --> 00:37:22,706 - I'm not going to-- - what do You want? 948 00:37:22,706 --> 00:37:24,706 - I'm not going to-- - what do You want? 949 00:37:27,164 --> 00:37:28,707 - I wanted to see you. - well, Here I am. 950 00:37:28,707 --> 00:37:29,082 - I wanted to see you. - well, Here I am. 951 00:37:29,582 --> 00:37:31,708 - what do you want? - I want... 952 00:37:32,083 --> 00:37:34,417 I want... 953 00:37:41,044 --> 00:37:42,503 The cops picked me up. 954 00:37:43,211 --> 00:37:45,713 I told 'em that you put me up to Killing bobby. 955 00:37:46,129 --> 00:37:46,713 Well... 956 00:37:46,713 --> 00:37:48,630 Well... 957 00:37:49,046 --> 00:37:52,339 What'd you do that for? 958 00:37:52,756 --> 00:37:54,631 'cause I was mad at you. 959 00:38:03,884 --> 00:38:04,718 [ sirens approaching ] 960 00:38:04,718 --> 00:38:06,510 [ sirens approaching ] 961 00:38:16,513 --> 00:38:16,722 Get off her, ed. 962 00:38:16,722 --> 00:38:18,723 Get off her, ed. 963 00:38:19,222 --> 00:38:20,764 Damn it, get off of her! 964 00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:24,725 I love you, ruby. 965 00:38:25,015 --> 00:38:27,350 I love you. 966 00:38:27,642 --> 00:38:28,726 Oh, please. 967 00:38:28,726 --> 00:38:29,434 Oh, please. 968 00:38:29,684 --> 00:38:30,892 Ruby... 969 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:34,269 - ruby! - ed, I love you! 970 00:38:34,769 --> 00:38:37,645 - I love you! - don't hurt him! 971 00:38:38,979 --> 00:38:40,730 - ruby... - ed... 972 00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:40,812 - ruby... - ed... 973 00:38:42,021 --> 00:38:43,730 Ruby! 974 00:40:03,005 --> 00:40:04,755 Claire... 975 00:40:04,755 --> 00:40:05,172 Claire... 976 00:40:07,547 --> 00:40:10,548 Um... 977 00:40:11,007 --> 00:40:12,716 I have something to tell you. 978 00:40:14,425 --> 00:40:16,633 I tried to stop him from-- 979 00:40:17,259 --> 00:40:19,926 From messing up the comp-- the Computer-- 980 00:40:20,509 --> 00:40:22,761 And it didn't seem like he was Hurt, 981 00:40:23,052 --> 00:40:24,761 And I forgot. 982 00:40:26,261 --> 00:40:28,763 But I... It wasn't you. 983 00:40:28,763 --> 00:40:28,929 But I... It wasn't you. 984 00:40:29,387 --> 00:40:32,764 It was not you. It was me. 985 00:40:33,347 --> 00:40:34,765 I'm really... I'm real... 986 00:40:34,765 --> 00:40:35,765 I'm really... I'm real... 987 00:40:36,223 --> 00:40:38,140 I'm really sorry. 988 00:40:38,432 --> 00:40:40,766 I did this. 989 00:40:40,766 --> 00:40:40,891 I did this. 990 00:40:41,224 --> 00:40:43,058 I'm really sorry. 991 00:40:43,434 --> 00:40:44,642 But if I remember-- 992 00:40:44,975 --> 00:40:46,143 I... I shook him. 993 00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:51,019 I just had to tell you. 994 00:40:54,687 --> 00:40:57,563 And I'll-- I'll tell them. 995 00:41:21,111 --> 00:41:22,404 I didn't know it was my fault, 996 00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:25,488 Not until the police told me About how he... 997 00:41:26,071 --> 00:41:28,781 About how he died, about the Shaking. 998 00:41:28,781 --> 00:41:29,156 About how he died, about the Shaking. 999 00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:34,073 You have to understand, 1000 00:41:34,657 --> 00:41:34,783 I have never even hit my kids, Never. 1001 00:41:34,783 --> 00:41:37,450 I have never even hit my kids, Never. 1002 00:41:40,409 --> 00:41:40,785 All right, you admit to shaking Terence? 1003 00:41:40,785 --> 00:41:42,826 All right, you admit to shaking Terence? 1004 00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:46,787 - yeah. - he'll accept a charge Of criminal negligence 1005 00:41:46,787 --> 00:41:47,536 - yeah. - he'll accept a charge Of criminal negligence 1006 00:41:48,204 --> 00:41:50,704 If the other child can live with Her mother. 1007 00:41:52,913 --> 00:41:55,789 I've got to speak to the crown Attorney on this one, 1008 00:41:56,456 --> 00:41:58,790 But I can't see how we can't Make a deal here. 1009 00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:59,123 But I can't see how we can't Make a deal here. 1010 00:41:59,665 --> 00:42:01,791 If you'll excuse me for a Second. 1011 00:42:13,628 --> 00:42:15,796 - hey, mick. - how'd we do on That? 1012 00:42:16,754 --> 00:42:16,796 Pretty good. Managed to rip this Family completely apart, 1013 00:42:16,796 --> 00:42:18,796 Pretty good. Managed to rip this Family completely apart, 1014 00:42:19,421 --> 00:42:20,797 Set the parents at each other, 1015 00:42:21,713 --> 00:42:22,714 And ripped the surviving Daughter right out of their Arms, 1016 00:42:23,172 --> 00:42:24,465 But, hey, they'll find a way 1017 00:42:25,089 --> 00:42:26,548 To stitch their lives back Together again. 1018 00:42:27,216 --> 00:42:28,800 Yeah, right. At least we know What happened. 1019 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,216 Yeah, right. At least we know What happened. 1020 00:42:29,549 --> 00:42:32,342 Yeah, I hope so. 77699

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