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>> Has a new humanoid
species been discovered
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in the mountains
near Nazca, Peru?
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>> We are living in a
very exciting moment.
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This is pure history
in the making.
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>> Have scientists working
around the world proven that
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the Nazca mummies are genuine?
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>> The results strongly supports
that these beings are not
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closely related to any
known organism on Earth.
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>> Is there a concerted
effort to discredit and deny
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the evidence?
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{\an8}>> The Ministry of
Culture, until last Friday,
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was interested in participating.
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But for unknown reasons,
they've backed down.
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{\an8}>> If it was really an ET mummy,
they should be able to show CAT
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scans and X-rays
of the individual.
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>> They have done
X-rays on them.
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Is that something the
Ministry of Culture
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would be interested in?
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>> Never-before-seen footage of
the location where the bodies
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were found.
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>> It's clear that this
was some hidden place.
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Maybe there are more subject.
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>> New high-resolution CAT
scans that contain startling
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revelations.
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>> Inside, he was able to detect
the feathers of some creature.
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It is clear by scientists
that it's something different.
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It is not human.
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>> "Unearthing Nazca."
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In 2016, a rare
find was discovered
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in the Palpa region,
south of Peru,
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very close to the
mythical region of Nazca.
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A huaquero, or tomb
raider, found a group
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of mummified bodies
with surprising physical
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characteristics--
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hands with three fingers
and elongated heads.
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According to his
account, he found them
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in a secret tomb, of which
only he knew the location.
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The subsequent testing
on these bodies
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revealed extraordinary facts,
such as their ancientness
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and the fact that it was
a biological organism.
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At the same time, the
tests opened more questions
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of what these mummified
beings could be.
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The country's government
officials and archaeologists
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were very adamant about
not being involved.
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Yet, they let the testing
continue privately.
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What did this huaquero
really find that day in 2016?
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And why have the local
authorities not taken part
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in the research of what could
be an unparalleled discovery
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in Peru?
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Is this a well-orchestrated
fraud by a tomb raider?
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Or are we facing
a blatant attempt
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to discredit such an
astonishing finding?
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And if so, for what purpose?
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This is the story of a group
of scientists and journalists
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from different countries looking
to gain access to the mummies
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and discover the
truth, no matter
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what the barriers might be.
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If you are questioning why a
grave robber should be trusted
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with such a find, we want
to bring to your attention
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that sometimes the most
astonishing finds in history
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can be uncovered in the
most unorthodox ways.
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We are not condoning the
idea of robbing graves.
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We are simply saying that
throughout history, there
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have been discoveries found
by such a person that changed
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the course of history
and what we thought
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we knew about ancient cultures,
such as the case of the most
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ancient biblical texts on
record, the so-called Dead Sea
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Scrolls, written in
Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic.
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The scrolls were found by
Bedouin shepherds looking
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for their goats in a cave
of the Qumran region.
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They gathered as much
as they could carry
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and sold some of the scrolls
to the highest bidder
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and used the rest for
kindling for a fire.
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This find not only
became a source of income
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for the shepherds,
but it provided
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a wealth of comparative material
for New Testament scholars,
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including many important
parallels between Christianity
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and Judaism.
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On the other side of the
world, a similar story
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took place in Peru in 1987.
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Authorities became
aware of a magnificent
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find after a disagreement
between two grave robbers that
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led to the discovery of
the Lord of Sipan tomb.
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This discovery was
compared to the excavation
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of King Tut in Egypt.
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An almost completely
intact ancient burial,
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which is a rare and
dazzling discovery.
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It was quite rare
for archaeologists
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to have access to a tomb
which is nearly complete,
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like the one they
found with Lord Sipan.
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This allowed new discoveries
by archaeologists
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and historians' previous
knowledge of the Mochi culture.
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This story also begins with
a tomb radar, or huaquero,
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who we will call Mario.
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When entering a secret
tomb, he found something
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that he had never seen before--
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several mummies with very
different characteristics
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to humans, like very strange
heads and hands covered
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in a white powder.
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Without specifying
the exact site,
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he said that it was in a
desert between Palpa and Nazca
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in the department of Ica,
an archaeological area
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in which several
remnants have been found.
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According to those who still
conduct this illicit activity,
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it still hides many
more treasures.
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Because of his
expertise, Mario knew
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that he had found
pieces of great value.
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To be absolutely certain,
he contacted Thierry Jamin,
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director of the
Institute Inkari,
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a nongovernmental
organization located
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in Cusco dedicated to the study
of the historical Peruvian
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heritage.
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The purpose of showing Thierry
the pieces he had found
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was to know if they
were authentic or fake.
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{\an8}[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
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{\an8}>> Locals from this region of
Peru, from the countryside,
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sometimes come to us with
archaeological samples,
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ceramics, and other artifacts,
as well as their accounts about
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such-and-such a site
they've discovered.
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In October 2016, we received
one of those visits.
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The group was in possession
of several artifacts--
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little bodies, heads, and hands.
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They were looking for
our professional opinion
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and support.
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They wanted our help in
disclosing the findings.
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Our first impression was
that they were authentic,
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given our expertise in
analyzing mummified objects.
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Immediately, we realized the
significance of the findings
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and thought it was
a breakthrough.
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We felt we did not have the
right to keep it to ourselves.
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>> The information was
uploaded to the internet,
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so it became public knowledge.
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Immediately, people
from all over the world
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were interested in the
findings and ready to conduct
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a deeper investigation of the
pieces shown on the internet.
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{\an8}>> In October and November
2016, I saw some videos through
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{\an8}internet and YouTube of this
man in Peru presenting little
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bodies that didn't look human.
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He presented a huge hand.
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It didn't look human.
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He said that they
were found in a tomb
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the middle of the
desert near Nazca.
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Then I didn't pay
attention, because I
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thought they were fakes.
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It's a hoax.
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I don't like it.
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I don't feel right when
someone wants to be anonymous.
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But in March 2017, a biologist
called me and said, Jaime,
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look at this.
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This is very interesting.
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Have you talked
to Thierry Jamin?
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He's a French archaeologist
living in Cusco.
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And I say, no.
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He said, don't you
want to interview him?
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And then I interviewed him in
my program in the internet,
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and I thought this
was very serious.
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I thought this was
very important.
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I thought this man had my
credibility, Thierry Jamin.
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And I said, I have
to go to Peru.
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>> Jaime Maussan contacted
Gaia to see if they wanted
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to investigate the bodies
with him and his team.
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{\an8}>> Our real mission on taking
this lead and following Jaime
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to see these bodies was
just to see what it is.
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We're just literally
there because we're
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curious of what it might be.
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>> Several crews-- consisting of
camera operators, translators,
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journalists, and
forensic experts--
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headed to Cusco, Peru, to see
the pieces for themselves.
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Thierry believed
the best thing to do
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was to alert the
authorities, as well, so they
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could join in the discovery.
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On January 11,
2017, Thierry Jamin
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sent a letter to Dr. Jorge
Nieto Montesinos, director
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of the Ministry of
Culture in Peru,
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to inform him of the
findings and to request
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his participation in
the investigations.
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However, an official
response was never received.
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{\an8}>> I got in touch with the
Peruvian Ministry of Culture
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{\an8}at the beginning of January
in order to make them aware
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of the case.
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We were worried
for the possibility
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that this archaeological
treasure trove would
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be taken out of the country.
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We acted promptly to try and
make the government intervene
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before the pieces disappeared.
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I never received an
official response.
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An archaeologist
named Alberto Jacinto,
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head of the culture
department at Nazca,
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that got in touch
with me via email
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to let me know that
the minister in Lima
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had assigned him the case and
ordered him to investigate.
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But I never received a direct
answer from the ministry
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through a letter, as I expected,
in reply to our letter.
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>> The null answer from the
Peruvian government left those
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interested with no other
alternative but to become
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the investigators and
researchers themselves,
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to try getting to the
bottom of the matter.
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Little by little, an
interdisciplinary group
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of professionals took
shape, with people
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from five countries.
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It included scientist
Konstantin Korotkov from Russia;
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journalists from
Mexico and Peru,
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as well as the journalistic
team from Gaia in the US;
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biologists and forensic doctors
from Mexico, the US, and Peru;
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as well as archaeologist
Thierry Jamin from France.
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With their combined efforts
and individual abilities,
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they would try to reach
an objective explanation
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to such a discovery.
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The team knew that despite
the excitement and optimism,
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it would be necessary to
compile evidence that could
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prove the discovery to be real.
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So they began the trip
to Peru with hopes
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to meet Mario and gain
access to the bodies that had
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caused such high expectations.
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{\an8}>> We were in contact with
all the players involved
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{\an8}in the finding.
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{\an8}We will start our
research in order
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to establish the
authenticity of the pieces.
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{\an8}>> I've only seen the
photographs and the X-rays,
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{\an8}and I'm very impressed with it.
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{\an8}And I think this could be one of
the most important discoveries
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ever in the history of
the human race, actually.
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{\an8}>> Well, we are ready to start
this important trip to Peru
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{\an8}to find out if these bodies are
really not human or if they are
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{\an8}just an elaborate hoax.
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The results that we
are going to find
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through forensic scientists,
biologists, and investigators
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are going to be very important.
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>> But things in Peru would
not be so simple for the team.
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Gaining access to
the bodies would
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be much more complicated than
they had anticipated initially.
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The team had to
negotiate in length
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just to gain access
to the bodies.
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The first palpable evidence
was given to the team in Cusco
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at the Institute Inkari.
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Its director, Thierry Jamin,
showed several objects
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that Mario agreed
for the group to see.
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Being face-to-face
with the objects
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created an atmosphere of
excitement and expectation.
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At the same time, it required
them to capture as much data
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from the pieces as possible
without losing objectivity.
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The first pieces
of evidence were
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two strange elongated heads.
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{\an8}>> In this piece, there
is a very small mandible--
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very small.
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In the second piece, we can see
the atlas, or C1, the vertebrae
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that sits just below the skull.
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We can see some grooves.
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There is also what
could be considered
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a mouth, nasal sinuses, a nose,
and also orbital cavities,
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very prominent.
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Those cavities are crossed
by grooves in both pieces.
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Both pieces are very similar.
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>> But were they real?
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During the first
trip, the team learned
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that someone who had been
associated with Mario
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{\an8}showed the Ministry of
Culture a three-fingered hand.
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{\an8}The Ministry labeled
it as a fraud.
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{\an8}They declared that the hands
had been intentionally mutilated
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{\an8}by removing two fingers and that
smeared plaster was giving them
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a mummified appearance.
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Additionally, the
Ministry concluded
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that the transformation was
done in a workshop in Nazca.
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These assertions would certainly
complicate the investigation.
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The Ministry would condition
the Peruvian scientists
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to be incredulous and ready
to discredit any information
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related to this finding.
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Why would the
Ministry of Culture
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look at this piece
of evidence and not
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the other bodies Thierry
wrote them about?
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The team continues
to investigate
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all the findings
to see if there was
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evidence of something organic.
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In this first
visit, Thierry Jamin
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showed the group
a couple of bodies
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about 60 centimeters
in length, which
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had an organic appearance.
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Furthermore, one of the
bodies had a strange bulge
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in the belly, much like that
of a gestating organism.
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{\an8}[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
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{\an8}>> In this being, we find
the joints both in the elbows
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and lower limbs.
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Also, there are hip joints.
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There is a small bulge in
the stomach, near the hips.
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{\an8}[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
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{\an8}>> We need radiographs
or, better yet,
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{\an8}CAT scans in order to determine
what this protrusion is.
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>> The group moved to a clinic
to perform X-rays and CAT scans
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on the bodies and find out if
they actually had an internal
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bone structure.
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The group also
wanted to learn more
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about the bulge in the
belly in one of the bodies.
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While performing the
X-rays and CAT scans,
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they discovered some interesting
structures inside the body.
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[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
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>> This is a very
important image,
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as it allows us to
observe the bones--
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the skull with its bone
consistency, but also the metal
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within its chest.
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This piece of metal won't allow
us to see the bone underneath.
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This metal piece is embedded
in the chest of the object.
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It blocks the view
from the bones behind.
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However, when we reach the
pelvic cavity or lower stomach,
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we see three structures
with an oval shape.
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These structures do allow
rays to penetrate and show
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the bone structure behind.
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[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
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>> You can't see
it in radiographs,
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but upon physical
examination of the specimen,
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we noticed a structure
between the legs that could be
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identified as a birth canal.
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We can't be sure,
but it is consistent
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with similar structures in
species such as reptiles
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that develop and lay eggs.
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>> The team was
definitely impressed,
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and so Mario
promised more bodies.
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They continued with
the investigation.
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The team moved to the
southern part of the country,
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to the Nazca region.
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This place is known worldwide
because of the lines
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and figures carved into the
sandy, desert-like floor that
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can only be observed
from high altitude.
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The structures date
back some 1,700 years,
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which coincides with a time
the Nazca culture flourished
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in the region.
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The lines in the Nazca
figures, the geometric shapes
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and the diverse animals, such
as birds, monkeys, spiders,
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hummingbirds, and
even a whale, are
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scattered over an area which
covers several kilometers.
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Each figure varies in size.
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They can measure just a
few meters or hundreds.
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According to some
studies, the figures
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could have served as an
astronomical calendar,
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because several of
them are positioned
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to indicate equinoxes
or solstices,
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as well as the movement
of planets and the moon.
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Thanks to the absence
of rainfall in the area
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and the mineral
composition of the terrain,
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the traces remain almost
unchanged to this day.
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Near this area, in
the region of Palpa,
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the team was taken
to a secret place,
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where Mario promised to have
a big surprise for them.
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From the beginning,
Mario refused
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to give the exact
location of the tomb.
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However, if an
agreement was reached,
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he would be willing to show them
a larger, unique mummy, which
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they had discussed.
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He took the group to the
top floor of his house,
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where after more
negotiations, he finally
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agreed to bring the piece.
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{\an8}>> We have a very important
mission here in Peru.
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I came here together
with a group
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of scientists,
professionals, journalists,
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because we have
more supposed to see
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maybe one of the most important
discovery of the 21st century.
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>> Mario placed the box
in front of the team.
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Inside was the mummy--
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life-sized and in
the fetal position.
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It looked almost
human, except for
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some remarkable differences.
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The mummy had only three
fingers with four phalanges
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in its hands and feet.
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The head had an elongated shape.
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It was covered with
a white powder.
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Unlike the Egyptian mummies,
this was a desiccated body,
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apparently by natural methods.
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It showed no signs of decay
and was in excellent condition.
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{\an8}[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
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>> We have before us a body
of anthropomorphic structure.
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It has a head, neck,
thoracic cage, pelvis,
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and upper and lower limbs.
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Specifically, in the head, we
notice a well-articulated jaw
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bone.
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No oracles, but auditory
canals on both sides.
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>> It can change the
consciousness of humanity
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as a whole.
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And all our concepts about
history, about development,
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those are just concepts.
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And this opens up absolutely
a new page of history.
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No doubts that it is
tremendous discovery.
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>> The piece was named Maria.
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The team took
samples of the body
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to be tested in different
laboratories in Russia,
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the United States,
Canada, and Mexico.
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The X-rays and topographies
that were performed on Maria
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showed surprising
results and confirmed
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that it was an organic
being with a bone structure.
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Konstantin showed
some of the scans
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{\an8}to the head of image analysis at
a medical institute in Russia.
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{\an8}[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
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{\an8}>> We performed a CAT scan
of a mature individual,
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a mummy referred to as Maria.
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It is the skeleton of a
person with an anomaly.
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It's three-fingered.
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If we consider the
traditional notion,
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the mummification
process involves
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removal of internal organs.
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00:21:52,945 --> 00:21:55,948
So technically,
this is not a mummy.
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But if we consider that the
body was mummified naturally,
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meaning the organs were
simply not removed,
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this is a skeleton that
is very well preserved.
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00:22:05,724 --> 00:22:10,529
And we were able to clearly see
many details in our CAT scans.
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All the structures and
bones in the main body
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are visible in the
analyzed tomography.
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>> If I understand correctly
that some organs remained,
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does this prove that
it is a real body?
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>> I would say yes, because on
scans of the back of the skull,
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we saw structures that are
less dense than bone structures
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and most likely are hydrated
remnants of the brain.
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>> Gaia also found a radiologist
at a hospital in Denver,
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Colorado, to take a
look at the scans.
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{\an8}>> I am very curious to see
what these images look like.
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I think what I can offer,
looking at the images,
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looking at bones all day long
and having expertise in bone,
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the bones of any
mammalian skeleton,
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they are incredibly complex,
which is a good thing for this.
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Because they are going to be
extremely hard to reproduce.
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So I think we'll be able
to tell if these are truly
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authentic bones.
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00:23:10,456 --> 00:23:14,426
Looking at this
skeleton, obviously we
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have a fairly
humanoid-looking bone.
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We've got the eyes that
are facing forward.
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We've got the mandible
with, you can see,
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rows of teeth both
above and below.
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The shape of the
skull is interesting.
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It's very elongated, an atypical
appearance of a human skull
430
00:23:34,546 --> 00:23:36,949
like you and I know.
431
00:23:36,949 --> 00:23:38,817
Looking at the rest
of the skeleton,
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we have a thoracic spine
that's holding the ribs,
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or your rib cage of the chest.
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All of that looks very
humanoid, as well.
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Femurs-- we have the
tibia and the fibula.
436
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All of that is pretty typical.
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And then even in
the forearm here,
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you have bones called
the radius and the ulna.
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00:23:56,969 --> 00:24:00,506
Now, what's
interesting here is we
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see there is a
collection of bones here.
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This is called the
carpus of the wrist.
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That's a typical appearance,
but as we move outward,
443
00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:17,423
we're seeing really
three distinct fingers,
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00:24:17,423 --> 00:24:19,124
which is fascinating.
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00:24:19,124 --> 00:24:24,129
The skull-- I don't
see any suture lines.
446
00:24:24,129 --> 00:24:26,932
There's no bones that are
separate in the skull.
447
00:24:26,932 --> 00:24:28,467
They all appear fused.
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00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:32,971
So this appears to
be a solid structure.
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00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:34,973
In the hand, coming
from the carpus,
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not only do we see three,
and only three, fingers,
451
00:24:39,945 --> 00:24:43,415
but you have enlargement
of the bones, as well.
452
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So we're seeing the same
thing happening in the feet.
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The metacarpals and the
phalanges-- metacarpals
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are in the palm of the hand.
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Phalanges are the fingers.
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So if we look at where
the metacarpals would lie,
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these are very thick bones.
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They're much thicker than bones
that you would find in my hand
459
00:25:03,035 --> 00:25:03,969
or in your hand.
460
00:25:03,969 --> 00:25:07,840
Same thing with the phalanges,
as well, or the finger bones
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are very robust.
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>> If the CAT scans and X-rays
proved it was organic bone
463
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and the bones didn't
seem to be altered,
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could this be evidence
of a new species?
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00:25:20,619 --> 00:25:22,955
The team didn't want
to jump to conclusions.
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So they waited for the samples
to give them more evidence.
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The first tests done
with the samples
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was to determine what
the white powder was.
469
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The white powder
that was coating
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00:25:33,999 --> 00:25:37,836
the bodies, said to be plaster,
was actually a substance
471
00:25:37,836 --> 00:25:39,972
called diatomaceous earth.
472
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This diatomaceous earth is a
fossilized microscopic algae
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that formed on the Earth
during the Pleistocene era.
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This powder has desiccant
and absorbent qualities
475
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and can also function
as a natural fungicide
476
00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:58,090
and insecticide, which certainly
helped preserve the body
477
00:25:58,090 --> 00:26:01,527
and kept it free of
external pathogens.
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Another fact is that there
are deposits of this substance
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very close to the Nazca area.
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00:26:06,965 --> 00:26:10,836
And also, this substance
naturally occurs in some caves.
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00:26:10,836 --> 00:26:13,205
But what does it
mean that the bodies
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are covered with this powder?
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Could the bodies have
been placed in these caves
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with diatomaceous earth?
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Or could this
substance have been
486
00:26:21,547 --> 00:26:26,318
placed on the body
in an unknown ritual?
487
00:26:26,318 --> 00:26:28,454
At this point in
the investigation,
488
00:26:28,454 --> 00:26:32,224
the team was informed of the
discovery of two more bodies.
489
00:26:32,224 --> 00:26:36,295
It was a headless body, about
60 centimeters in length,
490
00:26:36,295 --> 00:26:40,966
and the body of a baby with the
same characteristics as Maria.
491
00:26:40,966 --> 00:26:43,402
Both were covered
with a white powder.
492
00:26:43,402 --> 00:26:45,737
According to Mario,
these two bodies
493
00:26:45,737 --> 00:26:48,207
were found in the
same tomb where
494
00:26:48,207 --> 00:26:49,942
the others were discovered.
495
00:26:49,942 --> 00:26:53,345
The baby's body was
named Wawita, which means
496
00:26:53,345 --> 00:26:55,848
baby in the Quechua dialect.
497
00:26:55,848 --> 00:26:58,016
The headless body
in a seated position
498
00:26:58,016 --> 00:27:00,953
was given the name Victoria.
499
00:27:00,953 --> 00:27:04,490
The Wawita topography
showed the mummy of a child
500
00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:07,493
with a formed skeleton
in the fetal position.
501
00:27:07,493 --> 00:27:09,962
Both hands had
three fingers each.
502
00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:12,931
But there were signs
of finger removal.
503
00:27:12,931 --> 00:27:16,401
The right hand had four visible
bones of the metacarpus.
504
00:27:16,401 --> 00:27:20,072
The left had three bones
of the metacarpus and signs
505
00:27:20,072 --> 00:27:21,640
of bone removal.
506
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,910
Was this body tampered
with by Mario and his team?
507
00:27:24,910 --> 00:27:28,881
Or could the body have been
modified hundreds of years ago?
508
00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:32,818
And if this was the case,
what was the reason?
509
00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:35,954
The team decided to focus on
the other bodies, of which they
510
00:27:35,954 --> 00:27:39,424
could not find evidence of
bone removal or tampering,
511
00:27:39,424 --> 00:27:42,628
because test results
were still coming in.
512
00:27:42,628 --> 00:27:46,465
By now, the results of
the carbon-14 dating study
513
00:27:46,465 --> 00:27:50,035
conducted on Maria by the
laboratory of the Universidad
514
00:27:50,035 --> 00:27:53,205
Nacional Autonoma de
Mexico were received.
515
00:27:53,205 --> 00:27:58,610
The results dated the mummy
to be 1,770 years old.
516
00:27:58,610 --> 00:28:01,747
This placed it in the
period of the Nazca culture
517
00:28:01,747 --> 00:28:06,952
flourishing, thus proving
that the mummy was not modern.
518
00:28:06,952 --> 00:28:10,889
Gaia also did their own testing
at a facility in the United
519
00:28:10,889 --> 00:28:12,624
States called Beta.
520
00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:15,961
And the numbers came out
to be the same for Maria--
521
00:28:15,961 --> 00:28:19,197
approximately 1,700 years old.
522
00:28:19,197 --> 00:28:25,203
The smaller body, Victoria,
was dated around 800 AD.
523
00:28:25,203 --> 00:28:27,639
But there was still
more testing to do
524
00:28:27,639 --> 00:28:31,076
on the bodies that would
prove or disprove what
525
00:28:31,076 --> 00:28:33,211
these bodies might be made of.
526
00:28:33,211 --> 00:28:37,683
Samples were taken again from
the bodies for DNA testing.
527
00:28:37,683 --> 00:28:40,752
The team was hoping to
see if the DNA matched
528
00:28:40,752 --> 00:28:45,624
any modern human species or any
other known biological species
529
00:28:45,624 --> 00:28:47,192
on the planet.
530
00:28:47,192 --> 00:28:50,996
This result could help decide
if there was a serious case
531
00:28:50,996 --> 00:28:53,298
to keep investigating.
532
00:28:53,298 --> 00:28:57,135
Meanwhile, the null answer
given by the Ministry of Culture
533
00:28:57,135 --> 00:29:00,505
and the constant attacks
by Peruvian anthropologists
534
00:29:00,505 --> 00:29:04,276
and archaeologists were
discouraging for the team.
535
00:29:04,276 --> 00:29:08,947
This adverse climate
hindered investigations.
536
00:29:08,947 --> 00:29:11,516
Members of the team reached
out to archaeologists
537
00:29:11,516 --> 00:29:14,953
to come look at the bodies
and decide for themselves,
538
00:29:14,953 --> 00:29:16,955
but they refused.
539
00:29:16,955 --> 00:29:19,625
Instead, many attempts
by these parties
540
00:29:19,625 --> 00:29:22,628
were made to discredit
any information surfacing
541
00:29:22,628 --> 00:29:24,429
about the mummies.
542
00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:27,699
In tests and research
carried out by the team,
543
00:29:27,699 --> 00:29:32,070
the participation of Ministry
scientists still, to this day,
544
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:34,473
has been non-existent.
545
00:29:34,473 --> 00:29:36,942
Journalist Jaime
Maussan sent a letter
546
00:29:36,942 --> 00:29:39,044
to the Peruvian
Minister of Culture
547
00:29:39,044 --> 00:29:42,414
to request a meeting in which
he could talk about the findings
548
00:29:42,414 --> 00:29:44,950
and results of the
investigations carried out
549
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:46,818
thus far.
550
00:29:46,818 --> 00:29:48,920
He hoped that the
ministry would join
551
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,555
in the research
of something that
552
00:29:50,555 --> 00:29:54,693
could be a great archaeological
discovery and to allow
553
00:29:54,693 --> 00:29:57,429
them to revise the
evidence firsthand.
554
00:29:57,429 --> 00:30:01,133
But the result was
not what he expected.
555
00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:03,301
>> Very disappointed.
556
00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:07,973
We expected to be treated
by the Minister of Culture
557
00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:09,641
here in Peru.
558
00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:13,845
Unfortunately, they sent someone
from second or third level
559
00:30:13,845 --> 00:30:17,449
to tell us that we should
send an email requesting
560
00:30:17,449 --> 00:30:20,952
for something like this.
561
00:30:20,952 --> 00:30:21,920
It's very unfortunate.
562
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,623
I think they don't
have any interest
563
00:30:24,623 --> 00:30:27,993
to cooperate and to do
any kind of investigation
564
00:30:27,993 --> 00:30:30,662
around this case.
565
00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:35,967
It's very unfortunate to
find the truth for everyone--
566
00:30:35,967 --> 00:30:40,038
not just here in Peru,
but around the world.
567
00:30:40,038 --> 00:30:43,875
>> But the team carried on
to find some kind of truth.
568
00:30:43,875 --> 00:30:46,044
The samples that were
taken by Konstantin
569
00:30:46,044 --> 00:30:50,082
Korotkov on the last visit
were tested in Russia.
570
00:30:50,082 --> 00:30:53,285
The first DNA analysis
performed in Russia
571
00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:55,554
by the Institute of
Analytical Chemistry
572
00:30:55,554 --> 00:30:57,956
at the University
of Saint Petersburg
573
00:30:57,956 --> 00:30:59,891
took just over a month.
574
00:30:59,891 --> 00:31:03,962
Dr. Mikhail Aseev oversaw
the DNA extraction,
575
00:31:03,962 --> 00:31:07,933
and the results showed that it
was an organic specimen that
576
00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:12,137
once had life, specifically
of a female creature,
577
00:31:12,137 --> 00:31:16,308
because the DNA included
the X chromosome.
578
00:31:16,308 --> 00:31:19,878
{\an8}>> When our scientists
in Saint Petersburg,
579
00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:25,951
in one of the top laboratories,
was able to make DNA testing
580
00:31:25,951 --> 00:31:27,819
of this big body.
581
00:31:27,819 --> 00:31:32,758
And this DNA have
only X chromosomes.
582
00:31:32,758 --> 00:31:34,659
It means that this is a lady.
583
00:31:34,659 --> 00:31:37,129
This is a female.
584
00:31:37,129 --> 00:31:39,631
Now, of course, they
need to make next level
585
00:31:39,631 --> 00:31:42,634
of, next stage of research.
586
00:31:42,634 --> 00:31:46,037
They need to make
sequencing of this DNA.
587
00:31:46,037 --> 00:31:51,076
It means to define genome
and define all genes
588
00:31:51,076 --> 00:31:55,947
and compare those genes with
existing libraries of genes.
589
00:31:55,947 --> 00:31:59,818
>> From the first results of
the DNA test practiced on Maria,
590
00:31:59,818 --> 00:32:01,486
new questions arose.
591
00:32:01,486 --> 00:32:06,625
Although it was an organic
body more than 1,700 years old,
592
00:32:06,625 --> 00:32:08,860
the three-fingered
hands and feet
593
00:32:08,860 --> 00:32:11,296
still needed to
be tested to prove
594
00:32:11,296 --> 00:32:13,532
that they were real, as well.
595
00:32:13,532 --> 00:32:17,035
Besides, more samples needed to
be taken off of the other three
596
00:32:17,035 --> 00:32:19,971
bodies and from Wawita.
597
00:32:19,971 --> 00:32:23,041
It would be necessary to remove
tissues from the mummy's feet,
598
00:32:23,041 --> 00:32:26,945
hands, and body again to
check to see if they, indeed,
599
00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:29,014
belonged to the same individual.
600
00:32:29,014 --> 00:32:32,918
But convincing Mario to
allow taking new samples
601
00:32:32,918 --> 00:32:35,420
would not be so easy.
602
00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:37,255
At first, the fear
that the bodies
603
00:32:37,255 --> 00:32:41,193
could be severely damaged made
him profoundly refuse any more
604
00:32:41,193 --> 00:32:43,762
sample extractions.
605
00:32:43,762 --> 00:32:45,330
The team explained
the need to take
606
00:32:45,330 --> 00:32:48,667
those samples to verify
that all parts of the body
607
00:32:48,667 --> 00:32:51,203
belong to the same subject.
608
00:32:51,203 --> 00:32:54,973
An arduous negotiation was
necessary to convince him
609
00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:56,641
of the new collection
of samples,
610
00:32:56,641 --> 00:33:01,947
but he finally agreed, only for
the bodies of Maria, Wawita,
611
00:33:01,947 --> 00:33:03,415
and Victoria.
612
00:33:03,415 --> 00:33:08,553
Josephina and Alberto
were off limits.
613
00:33:08,553 --> 00:33:10,956
According to Mario,
three more bodies
614
00:33:10,956 --> 00:33:13,758
with similar characteristics
to the previous ones
615
00:33:13,758 --> 00:33:15,827
were discovered
in a nearby cave.
616
00:33:15,827 --> 00:33:19,664
These three bodies, close
to 60 centimeters in length,
617
00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:22,534
also had three-fingered
hands and feet
618
00:33:22,534 --> 00:33:24,202
with an elongated skulls.
619
00:33:24,202 --> 00:33:26,671
The three bodies were
given a nickname--
620
00:33:26,671 --> 00:33:27,973
The Family.
621
00:33:27,973 --> 00:33:30,842
They were covered with
the same white powder
622
00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:32,210
as the previous ones--
623
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:34,679
diatomaceous earth.
624
00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:36,548
But where was this tomb?
625
00:33:36,548 --> 00:33:40,819
The team wondered if they were
ever going to see this cave
626
00:33:40,819 --> 00:33:43,655
and how many bodies actually
existed in what Mario
627
00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:46,958
referred to as a large tomb.
628
00:33:46,958 --> 00:33:50,695
They, just like the
archaeological experts in Peru,
629
00:33:50,695 --> 00:33:53,999
wanted to know that an actual
tomb or location of the bodies
630
00:33:53,999 --> 00:33:54,966
existed.
631
00:33:57,969 --> 00:34:01,740
To summarize, with these
additional three mummies,
632
00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:04,075
six bodies thus far
had been presented
633
00:34:04,075 --> 00:34:08,046
that were approximately
60 centimeters in length.
634
00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,282
{\an8}Three of them had
been given names.
635
00:34:10,282 --> 00:34:15,120
{\an8}They were Alberto,
Josephina, and Victoria.
636
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,956
Two of the mummies had
human characteristics--
637
00:34:17,956 --> 00:34:22,761
a life size known as Maria and
the baby they called Wawita.
638
00:34:22,761 --> 00:34:26,665
Also discovered were
three three-fingered hands
639
00:34:26,665 --> 00:34:27,999
and two heads.
640
00:34:27,999 --> 00:34:30,535
It is not certain that these
are all the pieces that
641
00:34:30,535 --> 00:34:34,839
exist because of Mario's
inconsistent accounts.
642
00:34:34,839 --> 00:34:38,276
He sometimes did mention that
there could be many more.
643
00:34:38,276 --> 00:34:42,047
Even Thierry Jamin suspects
that some of those pieces
644
00:34:42,047 --> 00:34:45,216
may be moved out of Peru.
645
00:34:45,216 --> 00:34:47,419
{\an8}[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
646
00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:51,323
{\an8}>> Mario got in touch
with me in January,
647
00:34:51,323 --> 00:34:54,993
and we met in Bolivia in the
city of La Paz with a lot
648
00:34:54,993 --> 00:35:00,298
of secrecy, because he is
a very mistrusting person.
649
00:35:00,298 --> 00:35:03,301
We sat down, and I tried
to convince him not
650
00:35:03,301 --> 00:35:06,638
to sell any of the
artifacts, telling him
651
00:35:06,638 --> 00:35:10,742
that his name would go down
in history as the man who
652
00:35:10,742 --> 00:35:12,410
made the great discovery.
653
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:14,346
But he would not listen.
654
00:35:14,346 --> 00:35:16,681
He only cares about the money.
655
00:35:16,681 --> 00:35:20,618
Mario is a huaquero, a
professional tomb robber
656
00:35:20,618 --> 00:35:24,622
for over 25 years with
high-level contacts
657
00:35:24,622 --> 00:35:28,193
from Brazilian politicians
to Peruvian heads of state
658
00:35:28,193 --> 00:35:31,997
and renowned archaeologists
here in Peru.
659
00:35:31,997 --> 00:35:35,100
>> Could Mario have been
selling to the highest bidder?
660
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:40,205
And if this were true, how was
this jeopardizing the case?
661
00:35:40,205 --> 00:35:43,241
Could the stalling by the
Peruvian government or negative
662
00:35:43,241 --> 00:35:45,076
press provided by
people convinced
663
00:35:45,076 --> 00:35:49,514
it was a hoax actually have
aided in a more sinister plan
664
00:35:49,514 --> 00:35:51,216
to cover it up?
665
00:35:51,216 --> 00:35:55,420
The team could only suspect
these things without proof.
666
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:59,958
In the meantime, they need
to continue gathering data.
667
00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:03,528
Samples taken from the
different areas of Maria's body,
668
00:36:03,528 --> 00:36:07,432
especially the feet, hands,
pelvis, and under the arm,
669
00:36:07,432 --> 00:36:10,335
were analyzed by DNA
tests at the University
670
00:36:10,335 --> 00:36:11,970
of Saint Petersburg.
671
00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:15,640
The tests connected the
tissues from all these areas
672
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,975
to the same body.
673
00:36:16,975 --> 00:36:20,078
It disproved the theory of
some Peruvian archaeologists
674
00:36:20,078 --> 00:36:24,015
that it was a body built with
parts of different creatures.
675
00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:29,988
The test also revealed
something very interesting.
676
00:36:29,988 --> 00:36:33,258
>> Please tell me, what progress
have you made to analyze
677
00:36:33,258 --> 00:36:34,426
our specimens?
678
00:36:34,426 --> 00:36:37,429
{\an8}>> We've carried out an
elemental analysis of these
679
00:36:37,429 --> 00:36:38,463
{\an8}specimens.
680
00:36:38,463 --> 00:36:41,833
And generally speaking,
the data that we received
681
00:36:41,833 --> 00:36:44,636
allows us to make a
conclusion that it
682
00:36:44,636 --> 00:36:48,406
is an ordinary set of
elements, except for cadmium.
683
00:36:48,406 --> 00:36:50,942
We have found cadmium
chloride on the surface
684
00:36:50,942 --> 00:36:52,343
of these specimens.
685
00:36:52,343 --> 00:36:54,846
Actually, the specimens
were obviously
686
00:36:54,846 --> 00:36:59,617
covered with cadmium chloride
and diatomaceous earth.
687
00:36:59,617 --> 00:37:03,088
>> As far as I understand,
cadmium chloride is not found
688
00:37:03,088 --> 00:37:04,489
at all in nature.
689
00:37:04,489 --> 00:37:07,425
>> It needs to be
acidized, extracted,
690
00:37:07,425 --> 00:37:12,697
then transformed into a soluble
form, into cadmium chloride.
691
00:37:12,697 --> 00:37:15,633
It also needs to be
purified, for sure.
692
00:37:15,633 --> 00:37:18,970
It is a complicated procedure.
693
00:37:18,970 --> 00:37:22,507
>> So it is unobtainable or
impossible for the primitive
694
00:37:22,507 --> 00:37:23,541
civilizations?
695
00:37:23,541 --> 00:37:26,411
Is this correct?
696
00:37:26,411 --> 00:37:29,247
>> If they do not have
concentrated acids and simple
697
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:32,984
chemical reactors, then
it is really impossible.
698
00:37:32,984 --> 00:37:35,820
>> It is clear that
all the subjects,
699
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:39,624
they were processed
with cadmium chloride.
700
00:37:39,624 --> 00:37:42,827
{\an8}And those elements
may be created only
701
00:37:42,827 --> 00:37:45,196
{\an8}by highly developed
civilization.
702
00:37:45,196 --> 00:37:51,236
It's not simple people living
in Nazca area, different tribes,
703
00:37:51,236 --> 00:37:54,205
who was able to make
this chemical process.
704
00:37:54,205 --> 00:37:56,841
Our European civilization
came to this process
705
00:37:56,841 --> 00:37:59,010
only in the mid-19th century.
706
00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:01,079
Now we use a lot
of cadmium chloride
707
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:05,817
in our civilisation to
preserve different subjects,
708
00:38:05,817 --> 00:38:09,454
because this is the
best preserver that
709
00:38:09,454 --> 00:38:13,958
kills all bacteria, all
contaminations and viruses.
710
00:38:13,958 --> 00:38:20,965
So we use it in our modern life,
but it doesn't exist in nature.
711
00:38:20,965 --> 00:38:25,203
>> Unusual discovery,
but what did it mean?
712
00:38:25,203 --> 00:38:28,973
As the team waited for
more specific DNA results,
713
00:38:28,973 --> 00:38:32,610
Mario agreed to take
some people to the cave.
714
00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:37,749
He invited Peruvian journalists
Jois Mantilla, Thierry Jamin,
715
00:38:37,749 --> 00:38:42,654
his team, and Dr. Konstantin
Korotkov to show them the site.
716
00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:44,822
They departed from
Palpa and entered
717
00:38:44,822 --> 00:38:49,627
an area of arid mountains, where
it would be easy to get lost.
718
00:38:49,627 --> 00:38:53,965
After a few kilometers, they
descended from Mario's old car
719
00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:57,135
and began a hike
along the rocky path.
720
00:38:57,135 --> 00:38:59,971
Later, the trail
disappeared, and the group
721
00:38:59,971 --> 00:39:04,042
had to climb, making their
way between the rocks.
722
00:39:04,042 --> 00:39:07,278
An hour later, they
arrived at the cave.
723
00:39:07,278 --> 00:39:09,847
The entrance was
covered by stones,
724
00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:14,953
which helped it go unnoticed,
except to Mario's expert eyes.
725
00:39:14,953 --> 00:39:17,956
After visiting the
cave, it was clear
726
00:39:17,956 --> 00:39:21,826
that this cave was covered
in diatomaceous earth.
727
00:39:21,826 --> 00:39:25,129
But could this be
the actual cave?
728
00:39:25,129 --> 00:39:29,867
{\an8}>> In those mountains, there
are no grass, no vegetation,
729
00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:31,402
{\an8}nothing alive.
730
00:39:31,402 --> 00:39:33,071
So they're totally dead.
731
00:39:33,071 --> 00:39:34,339
And it's a big contrast.
732
00:39:34,339 --> 00:39:36,975
You look there, you
see beautiful place
733
00:39:36,975 --> 00:39:38,943
with a lot of trees
and everything.
734
00:39:38,943 --> 00:39:42,747
You look here, you
see only rocks.
735
00:39:42,747 --> 00:39:46,618
When we came to the cave, the
cave itself, it's not so big.
736
00:39:46,618 --> 00:39:48,820
But it's not like
a cave which had
737
00:39:48,820 --> 00:39:52,423
been used by ancient people,
where they can make fire,
738
00:39:52,423 --> 00:39:53,558
where you can sit together.
739
00:39:53,558 --> 00:39:54,292
No.
740
00:39:54,292 --> 00:39:55,526
It's just a little cave.
741
00:39:55,526 --> 00:39:58,830
All this cave was
covered with this dust.
742
00:39:58,830 --> 00:40:01,999
It was not only on the
floor, but all around,
743
00:40:01,999 --> 00:40:05,236
so it was, again, clear
that it's natural material.
744
00:40:05,236 --> 00:40:08,706
First of all, I don't believe
in anything Mario tells.
745
00:40:08,706 --> 00:40:12,410
It's clear for me, clear,
that the cave we were taken,
746
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:14,512
it's not the only cave.
747
00:40:14,512 --> 00:40:15,847
{\an8}[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
748
00:40:17,715 --> 00:40:19,550
{\an8}>> There was a lot of
controversy surrounding
749
00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:22,320
{\an8}the location of the site
as different groups of tomb
750
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,989
raiders pointed to
different locations,
751
00:40:24,989 --> 00:40:28,826
none of which corresponded
to what had been described.
752
00:40:28,826 --> 00:40:34,265
Mario finally decided to contact
us and show us the place.
753
00:40:34,265 --> 00:40:36,334
Getting there was
very difficult.
754
00:40:36,334 --> 00:40:37,969
Only someone with
local knowledge
755
00:40:37,969 --> 00:40:41,639
would be able to find it,
because to the untrained eye,
756
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:44,409
there was no way of telling
the entrance to the cave,
757
00:40:44,409 --> 00:40:48,012
as it was covered
by small stones.
758
00:40:48,012 --> 00:40:51,082
When we got to the place,
we did not believe it,
759
00:40:51,082 --> 00:40:53,951
because we had been told
it was a citadel with walls
760
00:40:53,951 --> 00:40:56,287
and a gate, many chambers
with inscriptions,
761
00:40:56,287 --> 00:40:57,455
and there was none of that.
762
00:41:00,825 --> 00:41:04,696
We were disappointed, because it
was not the story we had heard.
763
00:41:04,696 --> 00:41:08,633
I was upset, confused, and
disappointed all at once,
764
00:41:08,633 --> 00:41:11,002
because Mario is the
sole source of the story.
765
00:41:14,038 --> 00:41:16,307
In journalists work,
you cross-reference
766
00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:19,410
several accounts to find
the truth on a story.
767
00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:21,713
But when you have
only one source,
768
00:41:21,713 --> 00:41:24,048
only one person to
tell you that story,
769
00:41:24,048 --> 00:41:26,951
you either believe
them or you don't.
770
00:41:26,951 --> 00:41:30,221
If the bodies are real,
the story can be real.
771
00:41:30,221 --> 00:41:34,625
But in this case, his
original story did not match.
772
00:41:34,625 --> 00:41:38,029
Having said that, several
features did match.
773
00:41:38,029 --> 00:41:41,766
The smell on the cave was
similar to that of the mummies.
774
00:41:41,766 --> 00:41:43,968
The space distribution
also matched.
775
00:41:43,968 --> 00:41:48,306
We saw the exact location where
Wawita, Maria, and the family
776
00:41:48,306 --> 00:41:51,409
of two-foot beings were found.
777
00:41:51,409 --> 00:41:53,077
Those calculations
make it likely
778
00:41:53,077 --> 00:41:56,848
that this was the place
where the mummies were found.
779
00:41:56,848 --> 00:42:02,253
But there were definitely
no ruins or ancient citadel.
780
00:42:02,253 --> 00:42:05,323
>> This fact was a
disappointment for the team.
781
00:42:05,323 --> 00:42:10,328
The tomb, so frequently referred
to, did not exist as such.
782
00:42:10,328 --> 00:42:13,698
However, the cave shown
coincided in many ways
783
00:42:13,698 --> 00:42:16,968
with some of the characteristics
found in the bodies.
784
00:42:16,968 --> 00:42:19,404
Therefore, despite
the disappointment,
785
00:42:19,404 --> 00:42:21,239
it was plausible that
the mummies could
786
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,740
have come from that place.
787
00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:28,513
More genetic results
came trickling in.
788
00:42:28,513 --> 00:42:32,984
There were DNA results from
Mexico and from Russia.
789
00:42:32,984 --> 00:42:33,985
{\an8}[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
790
00:42:33,985 --> 00:42:36,821
{\an8}>> The sequencing process
itself is run on a device called
791
00:42:36,821 --> 00:42:38,222
{\an8}the genome sequencer.
792
00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:40,958
In our case, we use
two sequencers--
793
00:42:40,958 --> 00:42:44,529
one for the primary
analysis, MiSeq sequencer
794
00:42:44,529 --> 00:42:47,965
and HiSeq sequencer--
for comparative analysis
795
00:42:47,965 --> 00:42:49,967
of the genomic DNA.
796
00:42:49,967 --> 00:42:52,970
A great amount of data is
generated after sequencing.
797
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:57,508
This data is generated
in the machine.
798
00:42:57,508 --> 00:42:59,343
After this data
has been generated,
799
00:42:59,343 --> 00:43:01,546
they are transferred
to a computer.
800
00:43:01,546 --> 00:43:04,849
And then our colleague,
Alexei, a bioinformatician,
801
00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:07,418
used them to analyze the data.
802
00:43:07,418 --> 00:43:11,222
He found out that there were
actually ancient samples,
803
00:43:11,222 --> 00:43:13,991
and we could yield the
ancient DNA, and we have it.
804
00:43:13,991 --> 00:43:15,927
The fact that this
ancient DNA has
805
00:43:15,927 --> 00:43:18,496
a lot of variations that are
alternative to the standard
806
00:43:18,496 --> 00:43:20,832
genome is quite interesting.
807
00:43:20,832 --> 00:43:23,000
In other words, it tells
us that we actually
808
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,469
have unique and new data.
809
00:43:28,072 --> 00:43:31,909
>> The latest results from the
DNA studies of the bodies have
810
00:43:31,909 --> 00:43:36,747
shown surprising results
from Maria and Wawita.
811
00:43:36,747 --> 00:43:39,417
This means that according
to the report from the DNA
812
00:43:39,417 --> 00:43:42,487
samples taken from several
areas of the bodies,
813
00:43:42,487 --> 00:43:45,723
they were able to get
approximately 23.8%
814
00:43:45,723 --> 00:43:52,697
from Maria and 25.6% DNA from
Wawita of human-like DNA.
815
00:43:52,697 --> 00:43:56,200
But none of that matched
to modern human DNA.
816
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,835
{\an8}[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
817
00:43:59,337 --> 00:44:02,006
{\an8}>> The sample was analyzed to
determine whether or not it
818
00:44:02,006 --> 00:44:05,843
{\an8}contained human DNA, which
was one of the hypotheses that
819
00:44:05,843 --> 00:44:09,547
could explain these
strange bodies.
820
00:44:09,547 --> 00:44:11,949
That possibility was
explored, and the results
821
00:44:11,949 --> 00:44:15,620
were around a 10% match
in strict conditions.
822
00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:17,755
And even relaxing some
of the parameters,
823
00:44:17,755 --> 00:44:22,193
we could not get a 100%
match with human DNA.
824
00:44:22,193 --> 00:44:25,863
The analysis included a
vast array of species.
825
00:44:25,863 --> 00:44:27,632
One of the software
programs we used,
826
00:44:27,632 --> 00:44:30,001
in particular,
performs comparisons
827
00:44:30,001 --> 00:44:32,069
with more than a
million species,
828
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:35,740
which allows us to approximate
as much as possible the sample
829
00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:37,942
with the DNA of all
currently known species.
830
00:44:40,511 --> 00:44:42,947
Some species were
a higher match,
831
00:44:42,947 --> 00:44:46,651
some plants and bovine DNA, but
still in very small portions.
832
00:44:49,954 --> 00:44:52,924
I have to say that this
sample contains DNA
833
00:44:52,924 --> 00:44:54,959
that we currently don't know.
834
00:44:54,959 --> 00:44:58,095
It could be from an organism
that has not been studied.
835
00:44:58,095 --> 00:45:01,632
Perhaps there was some
microbiological contamination
836
00:45:01,632 --> 00:45:02,967
of the samples.
837
00:45:02,967 --> 00:45:06,837
But it could also be original
DNA from these bodies.
838
00:45:06,837 --> 00:45:09,206
That means that these bodies
could belong to a previously
839
00:45:09,206 --> 00:45:12,276
unknown species.
840
00:45:12,276 --> 00:45:16,013
>> The genetic results were
also showed to William Brown,
841
00:45:16,013 --> 00:45:18,950
a biophysicist from
Southern California,
842
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:24,221
and his take on the tests
were very interesting.
843
00:45:24,221 --> 00:45:32,964
{\an8}>> Of the DNA that was isolated,
only 25% of the total matched
844
00:45:32,964 --> 00:45:36,867
any known human gene.
845
00:45:36,867 --> 00:45:41,973
So that means that
75% of this DNA
846
00:45:41,973 --> 00:45:47,612
is not matching any known
human reference sequence.
847
00:45:47,612 --> 00:45:54,619
And this is pretty rigorous,
because there's, like,
848
00:45:54,619 --> 00:45:57,421
the Thousand Human
Genome Project, where
849
00:45:57,421 --> 00:46:01,058
they have done whole genome
sequencing of over 2,000
850
00:46:01,058 --> 00:46:04,962
individuals from every
continent on Earth
851
00:46:04,962 --> 00:46:10,501
and compiled kind of like a
average human reference genome.
852
00:46:10,501 --> 00:46:14,905
And so you take these sequences
isolated from the sample
853
00:46:14,905 --> 00:46:18,943
with this being and you
go going you compare them
854
00:46:18,943 --> 00:46:21,512
to that human
reference genome data.
855
00:46:21,512 --> 00:46:25,883
And only 25% match up.
856
00:46:25,883 --> 00:46:28,119
75% don't.
857
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:31,956
>> DNA sequencing can
take months or even years,
858
00:46:31,956 --> 00:46:34,759
depending on the
questions asked.
859
00:46:34,759 --> 00:46:37,028
Given the small
samples the team had,
860
00:46:37,028 --> 00:46:39,830
they wanted to ask
the first question--
861
00:46:39,830 --> 00:46:44,402
could this DNA match
any known modern DNA?
862
00:46:44,402 --> 00:46:47,972
And that answer came
out as no from the lab
863
00:46:47,972 --> 00:46:52,943
the Mexico team used in Canada
and also the team in Russia.
864
00:46:52,943 --> 00:46:56,881
Is it normal for all labs
in different countries
865
00:46:56,881 --> 00:46:58,549
to come up with
the same results?
866
00:47:01,118 --> 00:47:02,219
{\an8}>> I'm Dr. Doug Taylor.
867
00:47:02,219 --> 00:47:06,057
{\an8}I'm a professor of biotechnology
here at Harrisburg University.
868
00:47:06,057 --> 00:47:09,660
My background is I have a PhD
in biochemistry and molecular
869
00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:10,528
biology.
870
00:47:10,528 --> 00:47:13,197
When you think about
any parameters that
871
00:47:13,197 --> 00:47:16,100
are associated with
or methodologies
872
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:19,970
for sequencing DNA, how is
it different from one place
873
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:20,905
versus another?
874
00:47:20,905 --> 00:47:24,742
{\an8}>> I thought that there just
was a set DNA sequencing process
875
00:47:24,742 --> 00:47:26,911
{\an8}across every country,
across every lab.
876
00:47:26,911 --> 00:47:28,879
But you're saying
that's not the case.
877
00:47:28,879 --> 00:47:31,615
If you could explain DNA
sequencing differences
878
00:47:31,615 --> 00:47:32,516
in other countries.
879
00:47:32,516 --> 00:47:35,219
>> Start with DNA
sequencing, it's evolving.
880
00:47:35,219 --> 00:47:37,955
What is the question
you're trying to ask?
881
00:47:37,955 --> 00:47:41,625
That'll determine how do
I go about isolating this.
882
00:47:41,625 --> 00:47:44,962
And it can vary from lab to
lab or country to country.
883
00:47:44,962 --> 00:47:50,701
But also comes a next question,
is what am I trying to answer?
884
00:47:50,701 --> 00:47:53,304
And what specific
population of DNA
885
00:47:53,304 --> 00:47:55,005
am I trying to look
at where I think is
886
00:47:55,005 --> 00:47:56,841
going to give me that answer?
887
00:47:56,841 --> 00:47:59,009
And that may
determine, OK, well,
888
00:47:59,009 --> 00:48:01,011
I need to put in this
intermediate step, which
889
00:48:01,011 --> 00:48:04,415
is going to enhance that
population of DNA, which
890
00:48:04,415 --> 00:48:06,016
is going to make it
more likely that I'm
891
00:48:06,016 --> 00:48:08,252
going to get an answer.
892
00:48:08,252 --> 00:48:11,956
This is an incredibly
interesting find.
893
00:48:11,956 --> 00:48:15,693
And it really needs
to be looked into.
894
00:48:15,693 --> 00:48:18,195
And I think it's kind
of an exciting time,
895
00:48:18,195 --> 00:48:21,966
that different groups can
apply different expertise.
896
00:48:21,966 --> 00:48:25,469
We're no longer these little
individual groups anymore.
897
00:48:25,469 --> 00:48:27,071
You have a global community.
898
00:48:27,071 --> 00:48:30,040
We can bring everyone
together on the global scale
899
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,943
to look and provide different
expertise in order to answer
900
00:48:32,943 --> 00:48:34,545
some of these questions.
901
00:48:34,545 --> 00:48:36,847
Is it human, yes or no?
902
00:48:36,847 --> 00:48:41,619
But beyond that, what does
it mean for humans as a race?
903
00:48:41,619 --> 00:48:44,955
>> The DNA samples were
also taken from Victoria,
904
00:48:44,955 --> 00:48:48,259
one of the smaller bodies,
and the results were also very
905
00:48:48,259 --> 00:48:49,660
surprising.
906
00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:52,329
{\an8}>> Of course, it was very
important for us to make DNA
907
00:48:52,329 --> 00:48:54,431
{\an8}test of little creatures.
908
00:48:54,431 --> 00:48:59,637
And we didn't want to
disturb big little ones,
909
00:48:59,637 --> 00:49:03,407
because they are so
tiny that, of course,
910
00:49:03,407 --> 00:49:07,845
it should be done only in very
special conditions, in very
911
00:49:07,845 --> 00:49:09,947
sterile room, in
special atmosphere.
912
00:49:09,947 --> 00:49:15,953
So we didn't want to make
it just in simple room.
913
00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:19,990
That's why we had only
access to headless one,
914
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:23,661
where it was possible to
get samples from the neck.
915
00:49:23,661 --> 00:49:27,865
First conclusions, both
in Russia and in Mexico,
916
00:49:27,865 --> 00:49:29,834
was it is not human.
917
00:49:29,834 --> 00:49:35,339
So of all known to us
DNA of organic life--
918
00:49:35,339 --> 00:49:42,112
I mean human, animals,
plants, bacterias, microbes--
919
00:49:42,112 --> 00:49:46,984
there are no correlation
with DNA of Victoria.
920
00:49:46,984 --> 00:49:49,954
No match at all.
921
00:49:49,954 --> 00:49:53,557
So that's why it is clear
conclusion by scientists
922
00:49:53,557 --> 00:49:56,660
that it's something different.
923
00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:58,996
>> For the experts
involved in this case,
924
00:49:58,996 --> 00:50:03,300
it's clear that this is
something amazing and never
925
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:05,002
before seen.
926
00:50:05,002 --> 00:50:08,472
But there was still
more data to gather,
927
00:50:08,472 --> 00:50:10,641
data that would
compare their DNA
928
00:50:10,641 --> 00:50:14,011
sample to other human
species on the planet,
929
00:50:14,011 --> 00:50:18,682
such as Neanderthal
or Denisovan.
930
00:50:18,682 --> 00:50:20,951
To take more samples
of the bodies
931
00:50:20,951 --> 00:50:22,953
and to compare the
DNA of these creatures
932
00:50:22,953 --> 00:50:28,525
to other human species, the
Gaia team traveled back to Peru.
933
00:50:28,525 --> 00:50:33,297
This time, they were accompanied
by scientist William Brown, who
934
00:50:33,297 --> 00:50:35,132
had a special
interest in getting
935
00:50:35,132 --> 00:50:38,402
the samples into a specific
lab in the United States.
936
00:50:38,402 --> 00:50:40,537
>> And what are you possibly
going to be doing with
937
00:50:40,537 --> 00:50:41,972
the samples on your end?
938
00:50:41,972 --> 00:50:47,611
>> So if we are successful
in retrieving samples,
939
00:50:47,611 --> 00:50:56,253
I have labs that I work with
where we can do a very thorough
940
00:50:56,253 --> 00:51:00,124
cleaning of the sample
to reduce contamination.
941
00:51:00,124 --> 00:51:04,628
And we can do the kind of
DNA sequencing and analysis
942
00:51:04,628 --> 00:51:09,967
that will definitively
show the nature
943
00:51:09,967 --> 00:51:13,704
or origins of the bodies.
944
00:51:13,704 --> 00:51:18,242
>> Another scientist and PhD
from Russia, Dmitry Galetsky,
945
00:51:18,242 --> 00:51:20,945
accompanied Konstantin
Korotkov to gather data
946
00:51:20,945 --> 00:51:24,214
for their ongoing study they
had going in their labs.
947
00:51:24,214 --> 00:51:26,951
>> How do you feel that your
expertise is going to forward
948
00:51:26,951 --> 00:51:28,052
this case?
949
00:51:28,052 --> 00:51:29,553
{\an8}[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
950
00:51:30,621 --> 00:51:32,556
{\an8}>> This is such an
interesting moment in terms
951
00:51:32,556 --> 00:51:35,626
{\an8}of the anatomical
analysis of the CT scans.
952
00:51:35,626 --> 00:51:37,962
And of course, what
I would like to see
953
00:51:37,962 --> 00:51:40,931
are the tissues, the
composition of the tissues.
954
00:51:40,931 --> 00:51:43,300
>> Do you feel that the small
bodies are more interesting
955
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:45,336
than Maria and Wawita?
956
00:51:45,336 --> 00:51:46,971
>> The little ones
are very interesting.
957
00:51:46,971 --> 00:51:48,839
First of all,
there's more of them.
958
00:51:48,839 --> 00:51:51,608
There is Josephina,
Alberto, and the rest.
959
00:51:51,608 --> 00:51:53,944
And their skulls have
variance that can be analyzed.
960
00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:56,847
Their anatomy is
absolutely amazing.
961
00:51:56,847 --> 00:52:00,317
>> On the trip, Gaia journalist
Melissa Tittl managed to get
962
00:52:00,317 --> 00:52:03,620
Carla Vargas from the
Physical Anthropology Cabinet
963
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:06,890
of the Ministry of Culture
of Cusco to talk to her about
964
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:09,827
the strange bodies
found in Nazca.
965
00:52:09,827 --> 00:52:11,962
Melissa wanted to
find out why they
966
00:52:11,962 --> 00:52:15,532
were reluctant to join the
investigation of this finding
967
00:52:15,532 --> 00:52:17,968
and what their
impressions of it were.
968
00:52:17,968 --> 00:52:21,338
>> What do you think of the
Nazca mummy that came out that
969
00:52:21,338 --> 00:52:22,973
people are saying is a hoax?
970
00:52:22,973 --> 00:52:24,541
{\an8}[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
971
00:52:25,943 --> 00:52:28,946
{\an8}>> Well, apparently, based on
the information that we've seen
972
00:52:28,946 --> 00:52:32,950
{\an8}on the internet, in the news,
and so on, it looks like
973
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:36,320
a mummy that has been altered to
give the impression that it is
974
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:41,458
not of earthly origin, that it
would be an extraterrestrial
975
00:52:41,458 --> 00:52:42,826
mummy.
976
00:52:42,826 --> 00:52:45,095
What we have been able to
see, based on the photographs,
977
00:52:45,095 --> 00:52:48,832
is that the hands of the
mummy, it is a real mummy.
978
00:52:48,832 --> 00:52:51,702
But it has been altered
with those purposes.
979
00:52:51,702 --> 00:52:53,971
Some phalanges have
been removed, as well
980
00:52:53,971 --> 00:52:56,240
as some other bone
parts, and other parts
981
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,409
have been added to it.
982
00:52:58,409 --> 00:53:03,881
>> So it's a real mummy, because
it's positioned that way.
983
00:53:03,881 --> 00:53:06,917
But you're saying that
the phalanges, the fingers
984
00:53:06,917 --> 00:53:08,952
and the toes, those
have been altered?
985
00:53:08,952 --> 00:53:10,954
>> They have been altered, yes.
986
00:53:10,954 --> 00:53:12,923
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
987
00:53:12,923 --> 00:53:15,492
If it was really
an ET mummy, they
988
00:53:15,492 --> 00:53:20,931
should be able to show CAT scans
and X-rays of the individual,
989
00:53:20,931 --> 00:53:23,967
but they only
showed a photograph.
990
00:53:23,967 --> 00:53:26,070
There are no further studies
that would give credence
991
00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:26,970
to their claim.
992
00:53:29,673 --> 00:53:30,974
It would be nice
to be able to see
993
00:53:30,974 --> 00:53:34,211
an X-ray from the individual
to be able to determine
994
00:53:34,211 --> 00:53:37,714
if it suffered from a
certain pathology or disease
995
00:53:37,714 --> 00:53:39,950
or if it had a condition
that made it different.
996
00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:42,920
>> They have done
X-rays on them.
997
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:49,426
Would you be interested in
seeing the body or the X-rays
998
00:53:49,426 --> 00:53:50,627
or any of that kind of stuff?
999
00:53:50,627 --> 00:53:51,962
Is that something the
Ministry of Culture
1000
00:53:51,962 --> 00:53:53,097
would be interested in?
1001
00:53:53,097 --> 00:53:54,031
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
1002
00:53:54,031 --> 00:53:57,501
>> In principle, the
Ministry of Culture,
1003
00:53:57,501 --> 00:54:00,537
as the official body in charge
of protecting our cultural
1004
00:54:00,537 --> 00:54:03,974
heritage, the first
question would be,
1005
00:54:03,974 --> 00:54:07,010
where did these
mummies come from?
1006
00:54:07,010 --> 00:54:08,946
Why should we give
a voice to someone
1007
00:54:08,946 --> 00:54:12,049
that is destroying our heritage,
someone who is carrying out
1008
00:54:12,049 --> 00:54:15,452
clandestine excavations?
1009
00:54:15,452 --> 00:54:19,089
Then, if the individual is able
to support his or her research
1010
00:54:19,089 --> 00:54:23,427
or work, I think the Ministry
would be willing to study it,
1011
00:54:23,427 --> 00:54:26,763
but I don't think
that will happen.
1012
00:54:26,763 --> 00:54:29,299
>> After the interview with
the official of the Ministry
1013
00:54:29,299 --> 00:54:33,070
of Culture of Cusco, the team
went to the Inkari Institute
1014
00:54:33,070 --> 00:54:37,241
to grab more samples, where
Thierry Jamin informed them
1015
00:54:37,241 --> 00:54:39,943
that the bodies
have disappeared,
1016
00:54:39,943 --> 00:54:41,945
and he doesn't know
where they are.
1017
00:54:41,945 --> 00:54:43,614
>> So everyone knew
we were coming,
1018
00:54:43,614 --> 00:54:45,949
but then they just
took the bodies.
1019
00:54:45,949 --> 00:54:47,117
And now we're just sitting here.
1020
00:54:47,117 --> 00:54:50,254
>> Well, we don't know
that they took no bodies.
1021
00:54:50,254 --> 00:54:52,055
>> But he's put them in a place.
1022
00:54:52,055 --> 00:54:53,123
>> A month ago.
1023
00:54:53,123 --> 00:54:54,224
>> A month ago?
1024
00:54:54,224 --> 00:55:13,744
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
1025
00:55:13,744 --> 00:55:15,712
>> They've changed places--
1026
00:55:15,712 --> 00:55:19,116
they've changed mummies from
place more than three times
1027
00:55:19,116 --> 00:55:21,952
to guarantee the
security of the mummies.
1028
00:55:21,952 --> 00:55:24,955
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
1029
00:55:24,955 --> 00:55:29,960
>> Without more DNA tests, they
could not ask more questions.
1030
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,962
For everyone involved
in this case,
1031
00:55:31,962 --> 00:55:35,465
they felt that they had
interesting information,
1032
00:55:35,465 --> 00:55:37,968
but at every turn,
there was a block
1033
00:55:37,968 --> 00:55:40,904
in completing the
investigation, whether it
1034
00:55:40,904 --> 00:55:47,711
was from the government, Mario,
or several members of the team.
1035
00:55:47,711 --> 00:55:51,949
But then, something
interesting happened.
1036
00:55:51,949 --> 00:55:57,221
On August 18, 2013, the
team, including Konstantin
1037
00:55:57,221 --> 00:56:00,424
and Dmitry, were able to
get access to the bodies
1038
00:56:00,424 --> 00:56:05,929
to do one final tomography that
was of the highest quality.
1039
00:56:05,929 --> 00:56:09,333
These CT tomographies
used a special program
1040
00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:11,401
that allowed a more
detailed examination
1041
00:56:11,401 --> 00:56:15,005
of each layer of the bodies
in a precise way that
1042
00:56:15,005 --> 00:56:20,444
would be able to isolate certain
areas for better examination.
1043
00:56:20,444 --> 00:56:23,880
{\an8}>> After we received these
high-resolution images,
1044
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,951
{\an8}Professor Galetsky was able
to make very detailed analysis
1045
00:56:27,951 --> 00:56:32,756
of both Maria, big one, and
very important, Josephina,
1046
00:56:32,756 --> 00:56:33,724
little creature.
1047
00:56:33,724 --> 00:56:36,827
If we talk about Maria,
she's human-like.
1048
00:56:36,827 --> 00:56:41,965
First of all, details of her
skull, anatomy of the skull.
1049
00:56:41,965 --> 00:56:44,868
Second, of course,
fingers and toes.
1050
00:56:44,868 --> 00:56:49,006
So if we go step by step, then,
of course, first the skull.
1051
00:56:49,006 --> 00:56:54,878
On the skull, we see
that she has no ears.
1052
00:56:54,878 --> 00:57:00,751
And construction of her ear
bone's different from us.
1053
00:57:00,751 --> 00:57:04,087
This is the first
main conclusion.
1054
00:57:04,087 --> 00:57:07,891
Then, construction
of skull itself
1055
00:57:07,891 --> 00:57:09,760
is a little bit different.
1056
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,328
Of course, it is
elongated skull.
1057
00:57:11,328 --> 00:57:15,299
Maybe not as elongated
as we can see in Paracas,
1058
00:57:15,299 --> 00:57:17,968
but still, it is elongated.
1059
00:57:17,968 --> 00:57:24,975
It is more elongated compared
with our rounded skull.
1060
00:57:24,975 --> 00:57:30,681
Second, different
construction of bones of nose.
1061
00:57:30,681 --> 00:57:34,418
But all other topics of
the skull are very similar.
1062
00:57:34,418 --> 00:57:39,623
We don't have a lower
part of the body.
1063
00:57:39,623 --> 00:57:46,029
So neither organs of
reproduction nor liver,
1064
00:57:46,029 --> 00:57:47,964
no kidneys.
1065
00:57:47,964 --> 00:57:53,403
It's strange, but this
came to some conclusions
1066
00:57:53,403 --> 00:57:58,675
that maybe she was
attacked by some animal.
1067
00:57:58,675 --> 00:58:01,945
And Professor Galetsky
was able to find tracks
1068
00:58:01,945 --> 00:58:05,716
of claws, fangs on her body.
1069
00:58:05,716 --> 00:58:11,088
And all this lower part of
the body is just taken away.
1070
00:58:11,088 --> 00:58:15,192
And then we see some
parts of particle
1071
00:58:15,192 --> 00:58:17,828
that may be related to blood.
1072
00:58:17,828 --> 00:58:20,964
[MUSIC PLAYING]
1073
00:58:24,868 --> 00:58:28,338
The most interesting
for all of us
1074
00:58:28,338 --> 00:58:31,308
was analysis of small bodies.
1075
00:58:31,308 --> 00:58:37,614
And we had CT scans
of two bodies.
1076
00:58:37,614 --> 00:58:41,451
And now we know that
there's a male and female.
1077
00:58:41,451 --> 00:58:45,756
And we had high-resolution
analysis of one of them.
1078
00:58:45,756 --> 00:58:50,127
Their anatomy construction is
totally different from ours.
1079
00:58:50,127 --> 00:58:56,967
No human beings, no animals have
type of bones that they have.
1080
00:58:56,967 --> 00:59:00,070
All living creatures,
we have joints.
1081
00:59:00,070 --> 00:59:02,239
For little creatures,
it's not so.
1082
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:04,741
It's some very
strange construction,
1083
00:59:04,741 --> 00:59:09,279
like some balls
of tissues inside.
1084
00:59:09,279 --> 00:59:12,682
This allowed them to
have some movements,
1085
00:59:12,682 --> 00:59:14,951
but not like ourself.
1086
00:59:14,951 --> 00:59:19,222
So they were unable to make
like this, but only like this.
1087
00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:21,291
And same as like this.
1088
00:59:21,291 --> 00:59:25,629
So it's clear that their
movement was quite limited.
1089
00:59:25,629 --> 00:59:30,634
Then, construction of their ribs
is, again, totally different
1090
00:59:30,634 --> 00:59:32,969
from any living creatures.
1091
00:59:32,969 --> 00:59:34,471
Because for all
living creatures,
1092
00:59:34,471 --> 00:59:36,473
we have this central bone.
1093
00:59:36,473 --> 00:59:42,846
Their hips are rounded, and
they have no this internal part.
1094
00:59:42,846 --> 00:59:45,849
Absolutely different
construction of skull.
1095
00:59:45,849 --> 00:59:48,418
And of course, fingers and toes.
1096
00:59:48,418 --> 00:59:51,721
They don't have
mouths, as we do.
1097
00:59:51,721 --> 00:59:55,425
So it's clear that they were
unable to eat hard food.
1098
00:59:55,425 --> 01:00:00,964
Then, totally different
construction of ears.
1099
01:00:00,964 --> 01:00:06,403
They had ears, but no ears
like we do-- just holes.
1100
01:00:06,403 --> 01:00:09,206
And different type of
bones inside the ear.
1101
01:00:09,206 --> 01:00:10,474
There are some bones.
1102
01:00:10,474 --> 01:00:13,944
It is-- they are the
same, but different.
1103
01:00:13,944 --> 01:00:21,051
Then, they had some
holes on their skull
1104
01:00:21,051 --> 01:00:24,754
that no living creatures have.
1105
01:00:24,754 --> 01:00:26,923
And of course,
it's unclear why do
1106
01:00:26,923 --> 01:00:29,259
they have these type of holes.
1107
01:00:29,259 --> 01:00:32,996
So what was the reason for
nature to have this hole?
1108
01:00:32,996 --> 01:00:37,067
And of course, detailed
analysis in tomography
1109
01:00:37,067 --> 01:00:39,736
allowed to see that
it's not construction,
1110
01:00:39,736 --> 01:00:42,973
that it's one subject.
1111
01:00:42,973 --> 01:00:46,710
Because when they make
analysis on tomography,
1112
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:51,348
they can make it slide by
slide and see tiny details
1113
01:00:51,348 --> 01:00:53,250
on high resolution.
1114
01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:55,952
So it's clear that it's not
composed of different parts.
1115
01:00:55,952 --> 01:00:57,988
It's one and the same subject.
1116
01:00:57,988 --> 01:01:00,957
From the very beginning,
from the first X-ray,
1117
01:01:00,957 --> 01:01:06,096
we've seen some rounded subjects
in the belly of Josephina.
1118
01:01:06,096 --> 01:01:12,002
But when we had this
detailed CT scan,
1119
01:01:12,002 --> 01:01:14,204
Professor Galetsky
he was able to make
1120
01:01:14,204 --> 01:01:19,209
like a slice on the
image of those eggs.
1121
01:01:19,209 --> 01:01:23,747
And he demonstrated those
are real eggs, because they
1122
01:01:23,747 --> 01:01:27,250
have some cover, like any egg.
1123
01:01:27,250 --> 01:01:29,553
They have some inside content.
1124
01:01:29,553 --> 01:01:32,489
And inside, he
was able to detect
1125
01:01:32,489 --> 01:01:35,959
the fetus of some creature.
1126
01:01:35,959 --> 01:01:40,463
So from one side, it
is Josephina fetus.
1127
01:01:40,463 --> 01:01:44,134
From outside, it is fetus
of some living creature.
1128
01:01:44,134 --> 01:01:47,404
>> With all this
evidence and detail,
1129
01:01:47,404 --> 01:01:51,007
could there be something
in this that suggests,
1130
01:01:51,007 --> 01:01:55,078
at the very least, a new
species on this planet?
1131
01:02:01,818 --> 01:02:06,823
Finally, on the morning
of November 19, 2018,
1132
01:02:06,823 --> 01:02:10,460
Cusco congressman Armando
Villanueva Mercado
1133
01:02:10,460 --> 01:02:13,430
presided over a hearing
about the mummies.
1134
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:15,966
Scientists whom had
participated in the study
1135
01:02:15,966 --> 01:02:18,234
of the Peruvian mummies
from different countries
1136
01:02:18,234 --> 01:02:19,970
were invited.
1137
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:24,074
Every scientist had 15
minutes to present their data.
1138
01:02:24,074 --> 01:02:27,010
Several groups presented
tomography analysis
1139
01:02:27,010 --> 01:02:30,080
describing their
anatomical structure.
1140
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,083
{\an8}Three groups presented
results of DNA studies
1141
01:02:33,083 --> 01:02:35,085
{\an8}of different samples.
1142
01:02:35,085 --> 01:02:37,420
All of these groups
worked independently.
1143
01:02:41,291 --> 01:02:44,194
[MUSIC PLAYING]
1144
01:03:03,947 --> 01:03:07,017
Focusing on the analysis of
the characteristics of the body
1145
01:03:07,017 --> 01:03:11,955
structure not noted by other
researchers, in general,
1146
01:03:11,955 --> 01:03:14,991
all came to the conclusion
that the anatomical structure
1147
01:03:14,991 --> 01:03:18,962
of all mummies is
different from humans.
1148
01:03:18,962 --> 01:03:23,333
Mummies are so complex that any
possibility of counterfeiting
1149
01:03:23,333 --> 01:03:25,969
is eliminated.
1150
01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:29,973
Biologist Ricardo Ringo of
the Mexican company Abraxas
1151
01:03:29,973 --> 01:03:33,943
Biosystems presented the
results of the DNA analysis
1152
01:03:33,943 --> 01:03:36,713
of the small mummy, Victoria.
1153
01:03:36,713 --> 01:03:40,216
CEN4GEN Labs from Canada
performed a sample
1154
01:03:40,216 --> 01:03:42,552
processing and sequencing.
1155
01:03:42,552 --> 01:03:45,422
The fact that it was
possible to extract DNA
1156
01:03:45,422 --> 01:03:47,624
clearly indicated
that the sample
1157
01:03:47,624 --> 01:03:49,959
was from biological tissue.
1158
01:03:49,959 --> 01:03:52,962
The same conclusion was made
in the Russian laboratory
1159
01:03:52,962 --> 01:03:54,998
of VS Boronov.
1160
01:03:54,998 --> 01:03:58,902
The Canadian laboratory had
a greater amount of material,
1161
01:03:58,902 --> 01:04:01,871
so that they were able
to do better sequencing.
1162
01:04:01,871 --> 01:04:03,973
The computerized
analysis of the data
1163
01:04:03,973 --> 01:04:09,279
showed that this DNA does not
coincide with any human being
1164
01:04:09,279 --> 01:04:11,448
or living organisms.
1165
01:04:11,448 --> 01:04:15,952
Comparisons were facilitated
with microorganisms, bacteria,
1166
01:04:15,952 --> 01:04:20,824
and animals, such as primates,
crocodiles, and turtles.
1167
01:04:20,824 --> 01:04:23,193
The conclusion was
that the specimens
1168
01:04:23,193 --> 01:04:27,330
were an unknown species
of living beings.
1169
01:04:27,330 --> 01:04:30,266
Therefore, the data
from genetic studies,
1170
01:04:30,266 --> 01:04:33,837
the tomography analysis, and
the elementary composition
1171
01:04:33,837 --> 01:04:38,007
of bodies clearly demonstrated
that the mummies were genuine
1172
01:04:38,007 --> 01:04:41,411
and required more
serious research.
1173
01:04:41,411 --> 01:04:43,913
All the groups
worked independently,
1174
01:04:43,913 --> 01:04:46,950
using their own
resources and finances.
1175
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:49,819
The main objective
of this presentations
1176
01:04:49,819 --> 01:04:52,956
was to attract the attention
of the Peruvian scientific
1177
01:04:52,956 --> 01:04:56,192
community and to transfer
the investigation
1178
01:04:56,192 --> 01:04:58,461
to the official level.
1179
01:04:58,461 --> 01:05:00,830
After the scientific
presentations,
1180
01:05:00,830 --> 01:05:04,234
a Peruvian archaeologist
was given the floor.
1181
01:05:04,234 --> 01:05:07,470
He stated that all
the data presented
1182
01:05:07,470 --> 01:05:10,907
was absolutely unacceptable.
1183
01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:13,443
No one knows where
these mummies were found
1184
01:05:13,443 --> 01:05:15,612
and how they were extracted.
1185
01:05:15,612 --> 01:05:18,081
No archaeologist was involved.
1186
01:05:18,081 --> 01:05:21,117
There was no official
authorization.
1187
01:05:21,117 --> 01:05:25,755
And it is unclear on what
basis all the studies presented
1188
01:05:25,755 --> 01:05:26,956
were made.
1189
01:05:26,956 --> 01:05:31,661
Who authorized it, and where
were the samples obtained?
1190
01:05:31,661 --> 01:05:34,531
He didn't even want to
consider the results
1191
01:05:34,531 --> 01:05:37,033
or that his own
organization wanted nothing
1192
01:05:37,033 --> 01:05:42,238
to do with the find
from the beginning.
1193
01:05:42,238 --> 01:05:45,942
Other official representatives
of Peruvian science
1194
01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:48,912
were not so blatantly negative.
1195
01:05:48,912 --> 01:05:52,882
The Peruvian archaeologists'
speeches were more neutral,
1196
01:05:52,882 --> 01:05:55,051
but none of them
supported the continuation
1197
01:05:55,051 --> 01:05:58,621
of the investigation
at any level.
1198
01:05:58,621 --> 01:06:00,957
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
1199
01:06:00,957 --> 01:06:03,259
>> The Ministry of
Culture, until last Friday,
1200
01:06:03,259 --> 01:06:06,262
was interested in participating.
1201
01:06:06,262 --> 01:06:08,832
I went there personally to
talk to the Ministry of Culture
1202
01:06:08,832 --> 01:06:10,633
myself.
1203
01:06:10,633 --> 01:06:14,637
But for unknown reasons, they've
backed down from participating.
1204
01:06:14,637 --> 01:06:17,340
>> After all the
findings were presented,
1205
01:06:17,340 --> 01:06:20,944
the Peruvian
government went dark.
1206
01:06:20,944 --> 01:06:23,880
There was no verdict
by the government.
1207
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,883
Was the evidence too convincing?
1208
01:06:26,883 --> 01:06:29,252
Was there not enough?
1209
01:06:29,252 --> 01:06:31,955
But then, something
unexpected happened.
1210
01:06:35,959 --> 01:06:39,195
Despite all the backlash
from the anthropologists
1211
01:06:39,195 --> 01:06:43,967
and archaeologists, a university
took interest in the bodies.
1212
01:06:43,967 --> 01:06:48,304
About 190 miles south of
Lima, in the Nazca region,
1213
01:06:48,304 --> 01:06:52,876
sits the Universidad San Luis
Gonzaga, in the town of Ica.
1214
01:06:52,876 --> 01:06:54,744
This university
is well known for
1215
01:06:54,744 --> 01:06:58,615
scientific and technological
studies that will help forward
1216
01:06:58,615 --> 01:07:01,651
the world in changing
times, specifically
1217
01:07:01,651 --> 01:07:02,819
in the country of Peru.
1218
01:07:05,555 --> 01:07:07,557
Is it possible that
from the research
1219
01:07:07,557 --> 01:07:10,994
gathered thus far, that the
university saw potential
1220
01:07:10,994 --> 01:07:12,962
to dive deeper?
1221
01:07:12,962 --> 01:07:15,031
The research facility
has all the bodies
1222
01:07:15,031 --> 01:07:19,903
but Josephina, which is
being held back by Mario.
1223
01:07:19,903 --> 01:07:22,305
Mario believes it
has great value
1224
01:07:22,305 --> 01:07:25,942
and refuses to give
it to the universe.
1225
01:07:25,942 --> 01:07:31,614
And so the investigation
continues, but in their hands.
1226
01:07:31,614 --> 01:07:34,317
It seems that the evidence
offered by scientists
1227
01:07:34,317 --> 01:07:37,620
around the world and the
persistence of the crew
1228
01:07:37,620 --> 01:07:40,323
sparked an interest with some
of the academic communities
1229
01:07:40,323 --> 01:07:43,426
in Peru that could
not be denied.
1230
01:07:43,426 --> 01:07:46,930
Perhaps it is the
discovery of a new species,
1231
01:07:46,930 --> 01:07:49,299
a parting of waters in
the knowledge of what
1232
01:07:49,299 --> 01:07:51,968
we have of the human race.
1233
01:07:51,968 --> 01:07:55,972
Or maybe is it something
completely different?
1234
01:07:55,972 --> 01:07:59,008
The only people that have
tried to find answers
1235
01:07:59,008 --> 01:08:02,946
are a group of people committed,
first and foremost, to finding
1236
01:08:02,946 --> 01:08:04,080
what might be the truth.
1237
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:09,819
The journey started with
a quest to give the truth
1238
01:08:09,819 --> 01:08:13,289
to the authorities, and it
ended with the bodies being
1239
01:08:13,289 --> 01:08:17,260
transferred into a safe and
reliable research facility
1240
01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:19,963
for a deeper investigation.
1241
01:08:19,963 --> 01:08:23,633
As the university unravels the
truth using high-tech equipment
1242
01:08:23,633 --> 01:08:30,740
and more DNA studies, the world
waits for an official answer.
1243
01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:35,912
What did Mario really find
in the mountains of Nazca?
1244
01:08:35,912 --> 01:08:40,416
And how has this find
sparked a debate that
1245
01:08:40,416 --> 01:08:44,287
still refuses to be buried?
1246
01:08:44,287 --> 01:08:47,724
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