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n the criminal justice
system,
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people are represented
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two separate,
yet equally important groups:
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police,
who investigate crime,
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the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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se are their stories.
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- Jackson, come on in.
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We need to talk.
- What's up, man?
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- You make 8 million a year,
man, and you broke.
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- [scoffs]
Man, get out of here.
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- You could believe me today,
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or you can believe the bank
when they come
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and take the keys
to your house.
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You got to make changes, bro.
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And, oh, by the way,
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I'm keeping my 5%.
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You ain't getting that back.
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- What's the problem?
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- You really just
asked me that?
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Turn around.
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What does Jimmy do?
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How about Tommy?
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How about Marco?
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- I don't know, man.
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They just part of it.
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- How many people do you think
you have on your payroll?
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- Six.
- [chuckles]
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11.
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But it's time to be real.
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You ain't LeBron.
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You ain't KD.
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You damn sure ain't Ant-Man.
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You a grinder,
a rotation player.
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You damn sure
ain't large enough
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to be having some entourage.
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You got a big damn heart,
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but you just turned 30.
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If you're lucky, you got three,
maybe four years left.
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- So you're saying you want me
to fire some of my boys?
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Come on, Ted.
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No.
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That ain't cool.
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- Want to hear about cool?
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I don't care about cool.
I care about you.
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I care about your family,
your kids, your future.
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That's what I'm thinking about.
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So guess what.
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Your agent ain't asking you
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to get rid of
some of your boys.
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I'm asking you
to get rid of all of them.
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Every living one of them.
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- That's not so easy.
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I grew up with them.
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When all of this
was just a fantasy.
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[tense music]
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I owe them.
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I owe them.
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- You want me to do it for you?
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♪ ♪
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- Our victim is wearing sweats,
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high-end running shoes,
headphones on.
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Looks like he was on
some sort of jog or walk.
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- Who called this in?
- Two joggers.
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Victim was deceased
by the time they found him.
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No pulse.
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They didn't see
anybody else around.
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I mean,
it was the crack of dawn,
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so it was pretty empty up here.
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- Got a weapon in evidence?
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- We're looking,
but so far, no dice.
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It was some kind of knife.
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Two stabs to the chest.
Deep.
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He also got a cut on his lip.
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Healed up, though.
Doesn't feel related.
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- Still got his
Montblanc smartwatch,
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his cell phone, AirPods.
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Not a robbery.
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- And they found
a $20 bill in his pocket
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with his ID.
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♪ ♪
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- Theodore Hunter.
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69th Street, Upper West Side.
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Guy turned 52 on Tuesday.
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♪ ♪
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- Hope he made the most of it.
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♪ ♪
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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- What do you got?
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- We found a knife
in a garbage can
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a few blocks away
from the crime scene
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covered in blood.
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Four-inch tactical blade,
folding, serrated,
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manufactured by Iron Forge.
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Right now the lab's trying
to confirm the DNA.
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- But we have a murder weapon?
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- Looks like it.
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- And ARGUS caught
the murder on video.
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- Any luck on facial rec?
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- Nope. Never saw his face.
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But check this out.
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OK, so you see people
running through.
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And then here is our vic.
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- Think it was
a targeted attack?
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Any theories?
Who was this guy?
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- Well, back in the day,
Ted Hunter was
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kind of a big deal All-American
football player up at Syracuse.
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He basically had
a cup of coffee in the pros,
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then became a sports agent.
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He worked for ACG.
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They're one of the big three.
He was with them for years.
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- Very successful,
very controversial too.
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Had a lot of critics and was
known for playing hardball
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during contract negotiations.
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- And poaching clients.
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Last year,
he breaks off on his own,
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starts his own firm,
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says that the system is
bloated and corrupt.
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- Any family?
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- Two sons.
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Raised them on his own
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after his wife died
in a car accident.
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- OK, well, talk to the boys,
see if they have any idea
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who might want to hurt
their father.
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- One hell of a family legacy.
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- Yeah.
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Looks like you're up next,
huh, Josh?
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- Long as my knee holds up.
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- MCL?
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- Sprained it.
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- Let me ask you, is anybody
coming to assist you guys?
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Aunt? Uncle?
- No.
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No, as a matter of fact,
I'm gonna take some time off
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from school to come down here,
stay with Josh.
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Our father raised us to be men,
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so we can take care
of ourselves.
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- Well, look, guys,
we need your help.
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We need any information
you can give us
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about the last couple days
of your dad's life.
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Eric, you were up at Syracuse
when you got the news?
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- Yes, sir.
I was out on the practice field
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when they came and got me.
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- And Josh, you were here?
- Yeah.
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I usually run with our dad
every morning in the park.
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Last few weeks,
obviously, I couldn't go.
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I was sleeping in this morning.
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And I woke up to cops
banging on the door.
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If I was there,
I could have done something.
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- Don't do that
to yourself, bro.
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- Listen to your brother.
It's good advice.
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We have reason to believe that
this was a targeted attack.
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- Targeted?
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- Just that this wasn't
a random occurrence.
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We need your help.
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Can you guys think
of any reason
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anybody wanted to hurt
your father?
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- No idea.
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- Anything noteworthy recently
or out of character?
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Did he indicate that he might
have been arguing with someone?
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Or maybe someone
threatened him?
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- No, I talked to our father
every single day.
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- Um, there was one thing.
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He came home late
one night this week,
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and it looked like
he had been in a fight.
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- Like a physical altercation?
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- Yeah, I guess.
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His shirt was all messed up
and torn.
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- What about his lip?
- Yeah.
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He had a--he had a big cut
on his bottom lip.
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- He tell you
how this happened?
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- I mean, he just
kind of played it off.
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Said it wasn't
that big of a deal.
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It kind of looked
like a big deal.
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- What night was this?
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♪
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- This man, Ted Hunter.
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He was dropped off here
by an Uber
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at 11:13 p.m. on Monday.
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- And?
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- And this morning,
he got murdered.
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- Sorry to hear that.
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- He got into an altercation
at this nightclub,
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and we need to know who
he was fighting with and why.
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- Can't help you, fellas.
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- You can't or you won't?
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- The minute I start talking
to the cops is the minute
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the crowds stop showing up.
- Mm.
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- Don't know if that's
can't or won't,
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but it's one of them.
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- All right, well, just got
a few more images to show you,
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and then we'll get
out of your hair.
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Like this one.
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Budget Ballin'.
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For 30 bucks, your patrons
get all the liquor
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they can handle for an hour.
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- That's a great deal.
Show him the other one.
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- Oh, yeah--
oh, this one I would have loved
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back in the day.
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Liquid Courage,
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a raffle for unlimited shots.
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- Even better deal.
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Problem is, you can't do that.
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Any club promotion that
encourages risky drinking,
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$800 fine.
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- Let me grab my wallet.
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I'll pay you in cash.
With a tip.
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- You misunderstood
what I was saying.
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It's an $800 fine per offense.
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That means every drink
that you served to every patron
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every night you had
a promotion like that.
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- Yeah, so we could just
pull your CCTV
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and start counting them all up.
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- It'll take a while.
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- Come on, man.
That's not right.
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- It's the law.
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Or you could just tell us.
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Who was Ted Hunter having
an altercation with?
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OK, thank you.
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The blood on the knife
is a DNA match to Hunter.
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So it's definitely
our murder weapon.
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- Any other fingerprints on it?
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- Unfortunately, no.
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[indistinct chatter]
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There he is.
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- Jackson Dean?
- OK.
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- NYPD.
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We need to talk to you
about Ted Hunter.
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- It hurts, man.
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He was a damn good agent.
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Damn good dude too.
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Really cared about his clients.
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- How about everybody
in your crew?
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They like him too?
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- Yeah, we heard
one of your buddies
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got into a fight with him
a couple nights ago
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at Vortex 21.
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Is that right?
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- I got to get back out there.
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- No, you didn't answer
my question.
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- I wasn't at the club
that night.
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- Yeah, we know.
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But your crew, they were.
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- Yeah, we got
the physical description
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of a guy who tangled
with Hunter that night.
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5'9", Black, cornrows.
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Ring a bell?
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- There is zero chance
anyone in my circle
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had anything to do with that.
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So, fellas, have a nice day.
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- No, no, no, no, that's not
how this works, Mr. Dean.
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You see, we're investigating
a murder here.
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- Which means boxing us out
is not an option.
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nse music]
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Now, it'd be a real shame
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if we had to have
this conversation
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back at the precinct,
you know what I'm saying?
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- Yeah, that'd mean
you'd miss tonight's game.
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♪
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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There he is.
Right there.
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Tommy Caro.
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NYPD.
264
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[engine revving]
265
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Hey!
266
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[siren wailing]
267
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[suspenseful music]
268
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♪ ♪
269
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- Hey!
270
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- Whoa!
271
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[siren wailing]
272
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[tires squealing]
273
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- Hey, do not move!
274
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Stay right where you are.
Get your hands up.
275
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Higher!
276
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He's got a gun.
277
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- You even look at that piece,
you're a dead man.
278
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Walk backwards to me.
279
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To my voice.
- OK.
280
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OK.
281
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♪ ♪
282
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- I would have run too.
283
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Criminal possession
of a firearm, pretty serious.
284
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Minimum three and a half years.
285
00:11:08,050 --> 00:11:09,480
- Well, that's what
they told me last time,
286
00:11:09,490 --> 00:11:11,020
but I'm still here.
- Oh, OK.
287
00:11:11,020 --> 00:11:12,390
Well, thanks
for the information.
288
00:11:12,490 --> 00:11:14,260
Maybe this time we'll push
for 10, given your history.
289
00:11:14,260 --> 00:11:16,190
- Come on, lady.
290
00:11:16,190 --> 00:11:19,430
- I heard Ted Hunter got
a few good licks in.
291
00:11:19,430 --> 00:11:20,930
Maybe even won the fight.
292
00:11:21,060 --> 00:11:22,460
I don't know.
That's pretty impressive.
293
00:11:22,470 --> 00:11:24,200
How old is he?
Like, 52?
294
00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:26,030
- Please.
- What?
295
00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,340
Thinking it might
sting a little.
296
00:11:27,340 --> 00:11:29,440
I mean, it's embarrassing.
- Whoa, whoa.
297
00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,510
We threw a few punches.
That's it.
298
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Ain't nobody got embarrassed.
299
00:11:33,180 --> 00:11:34,910
And I sure as hell
had nothing to do
300
00:11:35,010 --> 00:11:36,310
with that man getting killed.
301
00:11:36,310 --> 00:11:37,980
- OK.
302
00:11:38,110 --> 00:11:40,380
I will note that you denied it.
Fair is fair.
303
00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:41,880
- Well, I'm telling the truth.
304
00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,790
A few days ago,
Ted Hunter told Jackson
305
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he had to cut ties
with his crew.
306
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So we went down to the club,
307
00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,130
laid down Jackson's
credit card,
308
00:11:56,270 --> 00:11:59,570
and ordered up some magnums
of Don Julio 1942.
309
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A last hurrah kind of thing.
310
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But we didn't know
Ted was tracking
311
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Jackson's spending
in real time.
312
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Got an alert and came down
to the club to shut us down.
313
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- And that didn't go over well?
314
00:12:12,950 --> 00:12:14,850
- No.
And we got into it.
315
00:12:14,850 --> 00:12:16,790
Sorted things out, you know?
316
00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:20,060
But that was the end of it,
I swear.
317
00:12:21,820 --> 00:12:23,890
- Where were you this morning?
318
00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,500
- Hey.
319
00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,530
So Caro's alibi holds up.
320
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At the time of the murder,
he was losing his shirt
321
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at a casino 60 miles away
in the Hudson Valley.
322
00:12:34,670 --> 00:12:36,670
- OK.
- I got something here.
323
00:12:36,670 --> 00:12:38,310
So Ted Hunter,
a few months ago,
324
00:12:38,310 --> 00:12:39,940
took out a protective order
on his driver,
325
00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,240
a guy named Ethan Matthews.
326
00:12:41,380 --> 00:12:42,610
- For what?
327
00:12:42,610 --> 00:12:43,810
- Well, Matthews wouldn't
leave him alone.
328
00:12:43,810 --> 00:12:45,920
Kept showing up to his house,
to his office.
329
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Hunter says stop,
and Matthews threatened him.
330
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- Sounds like a lead to me.
331
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Nice work.
332
00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,090
- Ethan Matthews?
333
00:12:58,190 --> 00:12:59,390
NYPD.
334
00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,660
- Oh, yeah.
335
00:13:00,660 --> 00:13:02,530
I know why you're here.
336
00:13:02,530 --> 00:13:03,830
- Oh, yeah?
337
00:13:03,830 --> 00:13:06,000
I suppose that you admit
to telling Ted Hunter
338
00:13:06,140 --> 00:13:07,540
that you wanted him dead, then?
339
00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,400
"You destroyed my life.
340
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I won't stop until
you feel the same pain."
341
00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,410
Sound familiar?
342
00:13:12,540 --> 00:13:14,910
- That's me.
343
00:13:14,910 --> 00:13:17,480
I don't even recognize
the man who sent that stuff.
344
00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,820
I didn't kill Ted Hunter.
345
00:13:22,820 --> 00:13:25,020
I owe the man my life.
346
00:13:25,150 --> 00:13:26,320
- Oh, really?
How's that?
347
00:13:26,420 --> 00:13:29,190
- I was his personal driver
for 13 years.
348
00:13:29,330 --> 00:13:31,590
Then he discovered
my little secret--
349
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heroin.
350
00:13:32,730 --> 00:13:34,060
So he fired me.
351
00:13:34,060 --> 00:13:36,930
I lashed out,
but I'd never hurt the man.
352
00:13:37,070 --> 00:13:39,700
He was gonna hire me back
after six months
353
00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,000
if I went to rehab
and got clean, which I did.
354
00:13:43,010 --> 00:13:45,410
Hell, he paid for it.
355
00:13:45,410 --> 00:13:48,080
That's his car right there.
356
00:13:48,180 --> 00:13:50,950
I keep it spotless,
just waiting for the day
357
00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,850
I can pick him up
and take him to work.
358
00:13:53,850 --> 00:13:55,350
It doesn't matter now.
359
00:13:58,850 --> 00:14:02,120
- Tell me, his Android
sync up with this?
360
00:14:04,530 --> 00:14:05,960
- Hey.
361
00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,230
Finally got access
to Ted Hunter's texts.
362
00:14:08,330 --> 00:14:10,400
- And there's a nasty
exchange between him
363
00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,030
and his youngest son's
football coach, Brian Boggs.
364
00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,500
- What were they beefing about?
365
00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:15,900
- His son's knee.
366
00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:17,270
Ted thought he was fine.
367
00:14:17,270 --> 00:14:19,380
Took him to every top
orthopedist in New York City.
368
00:14:19,510 --> 00:14:21,780
Doctors couldn't find
anything wrong with him.
369
00:14:21,780 --> 00:14:24,250
No tear, nothing.
370
00:14:24,250 --> 00:14:25,680
- Yeah, but the coach still
didn't want to play him.
371
00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:26,950
So Ted got pissed,
372
00:14:26,950 --> 00:14:28,420
and in the days
leading up to the murder,
373
00:14:28,420 --> 00:14:30,220
he texts the coach that he's
gonna come down to the school
374
00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,320
and speak to him face-to-face.
375
00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,890
- Well, it's weird that
Josh didn't mention
376
00:14:34,990 --> 00:14:36,830
there was anything funky
going on with football,
377
00:14:36,830 --> 00:14:38,590
because it's like
that family's religion.
378
00:14:38,730 --> 00:14:41,730
So try to get
to the bottom of that.
379
00:14:41,830 --> 00:14:43,100
[whistle blasts]
380
00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:45,000
- Respectfully, I'm gonna trust
381
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,570
that you and the family
can sort this out.
382
00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:47,900
This has nothing to do with me.
383
00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:50,810
- Oh, we're not so certain
about that, Coach Boggs.
384
00:14:50,810 --> 00:14:52,010
- The hell does that mean?
385
00:14:52,110 --> 00:14:53,380
- It means you had
some pretty sharp words
386
00:14:53,380 --> 00:14:55,080
for Ted Hunter in the days
before he was found
387
00:14:55,180 --> 00:14:57,010
with a knife in his chest.
388
00:14:57,010 --> 00:14:59,950
"You come after me,
I'll come after you"?
389
00:15:00,050 --> 00:15:01,980
- Ted didn't like some of
the decisions you were making.
390
00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:03,350
So two days before the murder,
391
00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:05,760
he comes down here
to sort it out.
392
00:15:05,890 --> 00:15:07,990
Seems like he was
gunning for your job.
393
00:15:08,090 --> 00:15:09,530
- Yeah.
See, we're murder cops.
394
00:15:09,630 --> 00:15:10,590
So in our line of work,
395
00:15:10,690 --> 00:15:12,630
that kind of smells
like motive.
396
00:15:12,630 --> 00:15:14,430
- You got to be kidding me.
397
00:15:14,430 --> 00:15:15,560
[sighs]
398
00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,830
After the doctors cleared Josh,
399
00:15:17,830 --> 00:15:20,570
Ted was angry
I wasn't playing him.
400
00:15:20,570 --> 00:15:22,940
He kept asking--
just didn't like the answer.
401
00:15:22,940 --> 00:15:24,510
- Which was?
402
00:15:24,510 --> 00:15:26,810
- I don't think Josh ever
got hurt in the first place.
403
00:15:26,810 --> 00:15:29,450
- You're telling me
Josh faked his injury?
404
00:15:29,550 --> 00:15:31,680
- You think this was his way
of quitting the team?
405
00:15:31,780 --> 00:15:35,080
- I think Josh resents the type
of athlete that his brother is.
406
00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,320
He resents the idea that he's
supposed to be the next one.
407
00:15:38,450 --> 00:15:40,160
I'm not sure
anybody ever asked Josh
408
00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,490
if he really wanted to do this.
409
00:15:41,620 --> 00:15:43,760
- All right, so you were
just buying him some time
410
00:15:43,860 --> 00:15:45,030
while he worked things out, huh?
411
00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,430
- He knew what a thing
it would be
412
00:15:46,530 --> 00:15:48,030
for him to quit football,
413
00:15:48,030 --> 00:15:50,100
what it would mean
to his father.
414
00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:52,470
So I--I played along.
415
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:53,900
I pretended, you know,
416
00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:55,370
that I thought
he was still hurt.
417
00:15:55,370 --> 00:15:57,670
Then his father came
down here spitting fire.
418
00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:59,240
And I had no choice.
419
00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,010
I had to tell him the truth--
420
00:16:01,010 --> 00:16:02,780
that his son wasn't hurt,
421
00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,550
that he just doesn't want
to play football.
422
00:16:05,550 --> 00:16:07,720
[whistle blasts]
423
00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,680
- [grunting]
424
00:16:09,690 --> 00:16:13,490
So you find the guy?
425
00:16:13,490 --> 00:16:15,020
- We did, Josh.
426
00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,560
- Take a look at this.
427
00:16:20,260 --> 00:16:22,360
That's you on Monday
cutting through the gym.
428
00:16:22,370 --> 00:16:24,500
It's a shortcut
to the parking lot, right?
429
00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:25,740
- Uh-huh.
430
00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,370
[tense music]
431
00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:29,870
- We've all been there--
empty gym and a ball.
432
00:16:29,870 --> 00:16:31,040
Got to take some shots, right?
433
00:16:31,140 --> 00:16:32,640
I mean,
that's just being a boy.
434
00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,310
♪ ♪
435
00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:36,610
- Bro, what are you doing?
436
00:16:36,610 --> 00:16:41,080
- I mean, some days,
my knee feels pretty good.
437
00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,490
- Or you never injured it
in the first place.
438
00:16:43,490 --> 00:16:44,790
- What?
No, that's ridiculous.
439
00:16:44,890 --> 00:16:46,020
He's--he's clearly--
440
00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,620
- Coach Boggs gave you
some space and some time
441
00:16:47,620 --> 00:16:50,960
to figure out
what you wanted to do, right?
442
00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,090
Whether you wanted
to play ball or not.
443
00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:58,100
He told you to go hang out
in the library after school
444
00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:59,770
while practices were
going on, right?
445
00:16:59,770 --> 00:17:00,970
- Josh, what is this?
446
00:17:00,970 --> 00:17:02,740
- Because Coach Boggs knew
that you lied
447
00:17:02,740 --> 00:17:04,310
to your father
about your injury,
448
00:17:04,310 --> 00:17:06,670
that you lied to your father
about going to practices too.
449
00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,040
- No, that's not true.
450
00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,150
- Josh, we recovered
451
00:17:10,250 --> 00:17:12,350
your search history
from the library.
452
00:17:12,450 --> 00:17:14,720
- And we saw that you purchased
a 4-inch serrated blade,
453
00:17:14,820 --> 00:17:16,120
just like this one
that was found
454
00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:19,890
near the murder scene
covered in your father's blood.
455
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:21,660
- Oh, my God.
456
00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:23,090
- On your feet, kid.
457
00:17:23,090 --> 00:17:24,630
- Come on, man.
458
00:17:24,730 --> 00:17:25,800
Come on.
459
00:17:25,900 --> 00:17:27,660
[tense music]
460
00:17:27,660 --> 00:17:28,830
- Hands behind your back.
461
00:17:28,830 --> 00:17:30,300
- Josh.
462
00:17:30,430 --> 00:17:35,040
- You are under arrest
for the murder
463
00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,510
of your father, Ted Hunter.
464
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:39,210
- Josh,
what are they talking about?
465
00:17:39,210 --> 00:17:41,240
Officers, hold on. Wait.
466
00:17:50,620 --> 00:17:51,650
- How do you feel
about ordering
467
00:17:52,460 --> 00:17:53,960
from that dumpling place
this evening?
468
00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,320
- I actually brought food
from home.
469
00:17:56,330 --> 00:17:58,790
I'm trying to save
a little money right now.
470
00:17:58,790 --> 00:18:01,700
- You OK?
- Yeah.
471
00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,700
It's dumb.
472
00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:05,270
I have this crazy uncle.
473
00:18:05,370 --> 00:18:07,170
He's the worst with money.
474
00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:11,670
I mean, I made budgets.
I have taught him Excel.
475
00:18:11,670 --> 00:18:13,380
Nothing takes.
476
00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,950
So depending on the month,
we all have to pay his rent.
477
00:18:16,950 --> 00:18:18,280
And this month?
478
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,820
What?
479
00:18:26,660 --> 00:18:28,560
- [sighs]
480
00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,790
I went to some Al-Anon meetings
481
00:18:31,890 --> 00:18:34,130
when my brother was doing
terrible things to himself,
482
00:18:34,130 --> 00:18:35,300
taking drugs.
483
00:18:35,300 --> 00:18:37,270
I was banging my head
into the wall.
484
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:38,800
They have this thing.
485
00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:41,640
They call it the three C's.
486
00:18:41,740 --> 00:18:43,000
You didn't cause it.
487
00:18:43,010 --> 00:18:44,640
You can't control it.
488
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,310
You can't cure it.
489
00:18:47,310 --> 00:18:50,110
You know, we try and help
the people we love,
490
00:18:50,110 --> 00:18:52,950
but at some point,
you just draw the line.
491
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:55,280
You walk away.
[knock at door]
492
00:18:55,380 --> 00:18:57,250
- I've been getting a lot
of calls about this one.
493
00:18:57,250 --> 00:18:58,850
- About Josh Hunter?
494
00:18:58,850 --> 00:19:00,620
- No, about Eric Hunter.
495
00:19:00,620 --> 00:19:02,660
- Well, Eric's got
nothing to do with it.
496
00:19:02,660 --> 00:19:04,660
- I know, but when a kid's
going high in the draft,
497
00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:06,660
a lot of powerful people
get nervous, so...
498
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,300
- Like Sam said,
we have no reason to believe
499
00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:10,470
that Eric is involved.
500
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:11,800
- OK, good.
501
00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:13,440
So what do we know?
502
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,200
What really happened?
503
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,540
- Well, it's still
a work in progress,
504
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,310
but largely circumstantial
right now.
505
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:25,650
But here's what we can prove.
506
00:19:25,650 --> 00:19:29,520
Josh bought a knife identical
to the murder weapon.
507
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,690
There is ARGUS footage
of the actual stabbing.
508
00:19:31,690 --> 00:19:33,920
Killer appears to have the same
height and build as Josh.
509
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,160
And when asked where he was
at the time of the murder,
510
00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:40,230
Josh lied to police,
said he was home.
511
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:43,970
- You seem to have
left out motive.
512
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:45,470
- Ah.
[chuckles]
513
00:19:45,470 --> 00:19:47,270
You noticed.
Uh, yeah.
514
00:19:47,370 --> 00:19:48,440
Hopefully the jury will be--
515
00:19:48,540 --> 00:19:50,070
- Cases like this one
can be tricky,
516
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:51,610
even with a tidal wave
of evidence.
517
00:19:51,610 --> 00:19:54,840
Juries tend to take their cue
from surviving family,
518
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,180
almost as much
as from the evidence itself.
519
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,410
They'll be looking
to the big brother
520
00:19:58,510 --> 00:19:59,720
to see where
he comes down on this.
521
00:19:59,820 --> 00:20:01,620
Does he want justice
for his father,
522
00:20:01,620 --> 00:20:03,620
or does he want to see
his little brother walk free?
523
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,090
- Wait, I'm sorry.
524
00:20:10,190 --> 00:20:12,460
So you guys are asking me
to do what exactly?
525
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,170
- So we need you
to help the jury understand
526
00:20:16,270 --> 00:20:18,370
that your father was
a good man--
527
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:20,500
that he loved his family,
that you loved him,
528
00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:23,970
and that he will be
deeply missed.
529
00:20:23,970 --> 00:20:29,010
- So you want me to testify
against my brother?
530
00:20:29,010 --> 00:20:32,450
- Testify in support
of your father.
531
00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:35,650
- We know how complicated
this is for you, Eric,
532
00:20:35,650 --> 00:20:38,950
but we really need your help.
533
00:20:40,790 --> 00:20:43,290
- No.
534
00:20:43,290 --> 00:20:45,230
No, I won't turn my back
on my brother.
535
00:20:45,330 --> 00:20:47,200
- Your brother murdered
your father.
536
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,700
He hunted him down,
he laid in wait for him,
537
00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:52,000
and he stabbed a knife
into his heart twice.
538
00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:53,940
- I said I won't do it.
539
00:20:53,940 --> 00:20:55,000
All right?
540
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,840
So if you don't mind.
541
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,840
[tense music]
542
00:20:59,940 --> 00:21:02,180
♪ ♪
543
00:21:02,180 --> 00:21:04,950
[phone buzzing]
544
00:21:05,050 --> 00:21:06,310
- The defense is
trying to suppress
545
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,250
Josh's statement to the police.
546
00:21:08,250 --> 00:21:09,990
- On what basis?
547
00:21:12,620 --> 00:21:14,360
t's inadmissible hearsay.
548
00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:15,520
- But it's not being offered
549
00:21:15,620 --> 00:21:17,290
for the truth of the matter
asserted.
550
00:21:17,290 --> 00:21:20,230
It's being offered to show
consciousness of guilt.
551
00:21:20,330 --> 00:21:22,100
He told the police
he was at home
552
00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:24,600
nursing a knee injury in order
to establish a false alibi.
553
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,030
- My client's statement
to the police
554
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,740
is legally unreliable.
555
00:21:27,740 --> 00:21:28,740
- Why is that?
556
00:21:28,740 --> 00:21:30,140
- It was given
under extreme duress.
557
00:21:30,140 --> 00:21:31,510
- There is no evidence
of coercion.
558
00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:32,840
- There doesn't need to be.
559
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,740
My client is 17 years old.
560
00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:35,940
He is a child.
561
00:21:35,950 --> 00:21:37,810
He was in a very fragile state.
562
00:21:37,810 --> 00:21:39,550
He had just learned
his father was killed.
563
00:21:39,550 --> 00:21:40,980
He wasn't thinking clearly.
564
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,750
And the prosecutors want
to use this moment of confusion
565
00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:46,290
to bury him.
566
00:21:46,290 --> 00:21:48,460
They're basing their whole damn
case on this one misstatement,
567
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,690
which, by the way, was given
without an adult present,
568
00:21:51,790 --> 00:21:53,930
except for Josh's
20-year-old brother,
569
00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:55,300
who was also grieving.
570
00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:57,400
- No, the defendant was
not being interrogated.
571
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,230
He didn't have the right
to an interested adult.
572
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:00,700
- He was also not under arrest.
573
00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:02,940
He talked with the police
freely and voluntarily.
574
00:22:02,940 --> 00:22:04,270
- Enough.
575
00:22:04,270 --> 00:22:06,810
Looking at the totality
of the circumstances,
576
00:22:06,810 --> 00:22:10,050
the declarant's age,
his state of mind,
577
00:22:10,050 --> 00:22:11,480
the lack of counsel,
578
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:12,780
I'm granting the motion.
579
00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:14,220
- Your Honor,
I would urge you--
580
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,750
- It's over, Mr. Price.
581
00:22:15,850 --> 00:22:18,220
His statement to the police
regarding his whereabouts
582
00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:20,160
the day of the murder is out.
583
00:22:25,330 --> 00:22:26,630
- Look, we're still fine.
584
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:27,960
We've got video of the crime.
585
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,730
- Which is grainy and doesn't
reveal the killer's face.
586
00:22:30,830 --> 00:22:32,900
- We can prove
Josh bought the knife.
587
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,240
- How many of those knives
were sold last year?
588
00:22:35,340 --> 00:22:38,240
- 5,703.
- Yeah.
589
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,310
We need a theory of the case,
590
00:22:41,410 --> 00:22:44,280
a narrative for the jury
to buy into.
591
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,680
Motive.
592
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:49,120
Other than the defendant,
who won't talk,
593
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:50,990
and the victim, who can't,
594
00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:52,820
there is only one other person
who can help us
595
00:22:52,820 --> 00:22:54,520
make sense of this--
Eric Hunter.
596
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,730
- Eric was very clear.
597
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:57,630
He's not interested
in working with us.
598
00:22:57,630 --> 00:22:59,330
- I get that
he is in a tight spot,
599
00:22:59,330 --> 00:23:00,860
but at the end of the day,
600
00:23:00,860 --> 00:23:02,130
wouldn't you want justice
for your father?
601
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:03,470
- Yeah.
602
00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:06,470
- A father that Eric idolized
by all accounts.
603
00:23:06,570 --> 00:23:08,600
Teenagers who murder
their parents
604
00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:10,310
basically fall into two camps.
605
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:11,910
They are mentally ill,
which doesn't appear
606
00:23:11,910 --> 00:23:13,780
to be the case here,
or they're rebelling
607
00:23:13,780 --> 00:23:14,910
against parental control,
all right?
608
00:23:15,010 --> 00:23:18,350
Rules about dating,
curfews, money.
609
00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:20,380
- I spoke with
Josh's friends, teachers.
610
00:23:20,380 --> 00:23:21,780
He seemed pretty normal.
611
00:23:21,780 --> 00:23:23,620
He spent most of his time
playing sports.
612
00:23:23,620 --> 00:23:25,850
- Have Computer Crimes take
another look at his phone,
613
00:23:25,860 --> 00:23:27,960
his computer, see what websites
614
00:23:28,060 --> 00:23:31,230
he was visiting,
who he was communicating with,
615
00:23:31,230 --> 00:23:33,060
sharing his feelings with.
616
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,340
We just got encrypted messages
exchanged between Josh Hunter
617
00:23:43,340 --> 00:23:44,670
and his therapist,
covering a period
618
00:23:44,770 --> 00:23:47,540
of seven months
prior to the murder.
619
00:23:47,540 --> 00:23:49,680
- I'm sure that's helpful,
but conversations
620
00:23:49,780 --> 00:23:51,380
between a defendant
and his therapist
621
00:23:51,380 --> 00:23:52,650
are obviously privileged.
622
00:23:52,650 --> 00:23:55,020
- Yeah, if the therapist
is a human being.
623
00:23:55,020 --> 00:23:56,320
- Pardon me?
624
00:23:56,420 --> 00:24:00,190
- Josh's therapist was
an AI-generated chatbot.
625
00:24:00,290 --> 00:24:01,320
- What?
626
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,760
[tense music]
627
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,390
So who was on the other end
of the phone, so to speak?
628
00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:07,960
- No one.
An algorithm.
629
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,430
- Was anyone monitoring
the conversation?
630
00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:12,930
The advice this therapist
was doling out?
631
00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:14,340
- No.
632
00:24:14,340 --> 00:24:16,470
♪ ♪
633
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:18,510
- That is terrifying.
634
00:24:21,740 --> 00:24:23,080
- It's more common
than you might think.
635
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,050
Young people are more
comfortable talking to a screen
636
00:24:26,050 --> 00:24:27,350
than a human being.
637
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:28,950
- This is uncharted territory,
638
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:31,390
but if Josh was talking
to a machine,
639
00:24:31,390 --> 00:24:33,690
then in my mind,
that's fair game.
640
00:24:33,690 --> 00:24:35,730
What did the messages say?
641
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:37,630
- There are thousands of them.
We're still reading.
642
00:24:37,730 --> 00:24:39,830
But so far, we can tell
643
00:24:39,930 --> 00:24:42,260
that Josh was in
a very dark place.
644
00:24:42,260 --> 00:24:44,030
He began to despise his father.
645
00:24:44,030 --> 00:24:46,470
- Apparently, his father was
very controlling
646
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:48,940
and forced him into
an extreme exercise regimen.
647
00:24:48,940 --> 00:24:52,270
I'm talking extreme--
like, hard to believe.
648
00:24:52,270 --> 00:24:54,380
The goal, of course,
was to mold him
649
00:24:54,380 --> 00:24:55,580
into an elite athlete.
650
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,980
- He also kept him
on a very strict diet.
651
00:24:57,980 --> 00:25:00,820
No carbs, no sugar,
no processed food.
652
00:25:00,820 --> 00:25:02,620
He found a Snickers
in his backpack once.
653
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,450
He made him run home
from practice, 10 miles.
654
00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:07,520
- "He's gonna run me to death.
Literally.
655
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,330
I hate him.
It's him or me."
656
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:15,530
- We have
a disciplinarian father
657
00:25:15,530 --> 00:25:17,700
putting his son
through an extreme
658
00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:19,740
exercise
and nutritional regimen,
659
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,940
which worked wonders on Eric,
660
00:25:21,940 --> 00:25:24,970
turned him
into an NFL prospect.
661
00:25:24,970 --> 00:25:26,310
But it turned Josh--
662
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:29,210
- Into a murderer.
663
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:32,050
- Sure sounds like motive
to me.
664
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:38,990
- These text conversations
are protected
665
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,520
by patient-therapist privilege,
Your Honor.
666
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,890
- That is ridiculous
and bizarre.
667
00:25:43,890 --> 00:25:46,900
The defendant was communicating
with an AI generated chatbot,
668
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:48,260
not a therapist.
669
00:25:48,260 --> 00:25:49,400
- The privilege was designed
670
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,700
to encourage people
to get help.
671
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:52,100
That's exactly what Josh did.
672
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,700
He thought he was talking
to a real therapist.
673
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,340
- Well, the law is clear.
674
00:25:55,340 --> 00:25:56,970
Privilege applies
only to registered,
675
00:25:57,070 --> 00:25:59,110
licensed mental health
professionals.
676
00:25:59,110 --> 00:26:01,540
- Courts have found
that attorney-client privilege
677
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,280
applies to unlicensed lawyers.
678
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,080
The same standard should apply
to unlicensed therapists.
679
00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:09,950
- It's immaterial if this thing
is licensed or unlicensed.
680
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:12,250
It's not a therapist
in the first place.
681
00:26:12,250 --> 00:26:14,590
- AI-generated therapy
is an emerging practice.
682
00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:16,560
The law goes hand in hand
with human progress.
683
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,960
- But that has nothing to do
684
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,830
with the current state
of the law.
685
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:21,860
If Mr. Winters feels strongly
about this issue,
686
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,670
he should go to Albany
and lobby
687
00:26:23,670 --> 00:26:25,770
for legislation
allowing machines
688
00:26:25,770 --> 00:26:27,370
to become licensed therapists.
689
00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:29,540
Short of that,
privilege does not apply,
690
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,710
which means
this is admissible evidence
691
00:26:31,710 --> 00:26:34,780
vital to the People's case.
692
00:26:34,780 --> 00:26:38,150
- I agree with the People.
693
00:26:38,150 --> 00:26:39,850
I'm not extending privilege
to what amounts
694
00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:43,550
to a computer program
simulating human conversation.
695
00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:45,050
Motion denied.
696
00:26:45,150 --> 00:26:46,320
- Thank you, Your Honor.
697
00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:49,790
In reviewing the messages
698
00:26:49,790 --> 00:26:53,130
that Josh sent
his so-called therapist,
699
00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:56,360
could you describe
the general tone?
700
00:26:56,370 --> 00:26:58,230
- Angry. Resentful.
701
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:59,800
- Angry at whom?
702
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,740
- His father, Ted Hunter.
703
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,340
- Resentful about what?
704
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,770
- Football, basically.
705
00:27:04,770 --> 00:27:06,880
The training regimen
that his father implemented.
706
00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:14,450
- Are these
the defendant's words?
707
00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:15,680
- Yes, they are.
708
00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:17,750
He wrote that March 12th.
709
00:27:17,850 --> 00:27:20,790
- And later that same day,
did he make an online purchase?
710
00:27:20,790 --> 00:27:23,060
- He spent $249
711
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,490
on a tactical, serrated,
folding blade
712
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:28,700
manufactured by Iron Forge.
713
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:30,330
He had that sent to his home.
714
00:27:30,330 --> 00:27:31,770
- Who paid for it?
715
00:27:31,770 --> 00:27:33,900
- He used
his father's credit card.
716
00:27:36,770 --> 00:27:39,640
- I'm showing you what's been
marked as Exhibit 9B.
717
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,880
Have you seen
this knife before?
718
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,810
- I have.
We found that in a trash can
719
00:27:42,810 --> 00:27:43,910
near the murder scene.
720
00:27:44,010 --> 00:27:45,550
It was coated in blood.
721
00:27:45,550 --> 00:27:47,920
And DNA test results confirmed
722
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,390
that is indeed
the victim's blood.
723
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:52,350
- Could you describe
this knife?
724
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:56,490
- It is a serrated,
folding, tactical blade
725
00:27:56,490 --> 00:27:58,330
manufactured by Iron Forge.
726
00:27:58,330 --> 00:28:00,300
- Thank you, Detective.
727
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:02,130
- Your Honor, may I?
728
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:07,670
Can you read the message
that Josh sent to his therapist
729
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:09,540
on January 22nd?
730
00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:10,810
- "Couldn't finish
sled sprints,
731
00:28:10,810 --> 00:28:14,040
"so Dad made me do
200 Nordics on the SledTred.
732
00:28:14,140 --> 00:28:17,710
Barfed up my protein shake,
so Dad made me do 100 more."
733
00:28:17,710 --> 00:28:20,480
- So it's clear that
the defendant was forced
734
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,150
to exercise until he vomited.
735
00:28:23,150 --> 00:28:26,550
His punishment for vomiting is
that he had to exercise more.
736
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,960
Do I have that right?
737
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,190
- It would appear so.
738
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:30,930
- How did Josh's therapist
respond?
739
00:28:30,930 --> 00:28:33,430
- Objection.
- Overruled.
740
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,070
- "Josh, what you're describing
is deliberately aggressive,
741
00:28:39,070 --> 00:28:42,600
"violent behavior
causing bodily harm.
742
00:28:42,610 --> 00:28:44,870
The definition
of physical abuse."
743
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:46,980
[tense music]
744
00:28:46,980 --> 00:28:48,980
"I believe
your life is in danger."
745
00:28:48,980 --> 00:28:50,680
- So it was the opinion
of Josh's therapist--
746
00:28:50,780 --> 00:28:51,810
- Objection.
747
00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:55,150
Your Honor,
in what world are the musings
748
00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:58,550
of some algorithm remotely
relevant in this court?
749
00:28:58,550 --> 00:29:01,090
- It is relevant to support
my client's assertion
750
00:29:01,090 --> 00:29:02,720
of self-defense.
751
00:29:02,730 --> 00:29:04,130
- Which is the first
we're hearing
752
00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:07,060
anything related
to self-defense, Your Honor.
753
00:29:07,060 --> 00:29:09,170
- I'll see counsel in chambers.
754
00:29:09,270 --> 00:29:10,670
[gavel bangs]
755
00:29:10,670 --> 00:29:12,230
♪ ♪
756
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:14,740
- Your Honor,
the facts do not support
757
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,040
a claim of self-defense.
758
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:17,870
The defendant hunted down
the victim.
759
00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:19,070
He was never in danger.
760
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,610
- My client thought
he was in danger.
761
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:21,940
- No, that is not enough.
762
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,910
The defense would have to prove
that a reasonable person
763
00:29:24,010 --> 00:29:25,910
in the same situation
would do the same thing.
764
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,380
- Not when the accused
is suffering
765
00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:29,820
from battered child syndrome.
766
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,150
- Which isn't a recognized
defense in New York.
767
00:29:32,150 --> 00:29:33,390
- 7.06.
768
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,790
- Battered woman syndrome?
769
00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:36,260
- That's what we call it
colloquially,
770
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,060
but actually it's called
the abused person syndrome,
771
00:29:39,060 --> 00:29:41,230
which covers people who are
related by consanguinity,
772
00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:42,330
blood relatives.
773
00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:45,170
- The statute is
clearly intended to protect
774
00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:47,740
adult blood relatives
and women.
775
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,440
- Except it doesn't
say that explicitly.
776
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,240
- I'm allowing it.
777
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,610
It's up to the jury to decide
whether the defendant
778
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:59,320
reasonably believed
his life was in danger or not.
779
00:30:06,790 --> 00:30:08,360
- What did you conclude,
Doctor Morley,
780
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,530
from your forensic evaluation
of my client?
781
00:30:10,530 --> 00:30:13,560
- I believe that Josh suffers
from battered child syndrome
782
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,700
as a result
of verbal degradation,
783
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,100
extreme discipline,
and physical punishment.
784
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,930
Josh's father may have believed
785
00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:21,900
he was pursuing structure
and discipline,
786
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:23,810
but it crossed the line
into abuse.
787
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:25,880
And it lasted for years,
788
00:30:25,980 --> 00:30:28,310
essentially from the onset
of Josh's pubescence
789
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:30,180
until the day
of his father's death.
790
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,080
- How did that impact Josh's
ability to perceive danger?
791
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,120
- He developed
chronic hypervigilance.
792
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,020
He was always bracing
for more punishment.
793
00:30:40,020 --> 00:30:41,690
- He lived in fear.
794
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:43,530
- Worse than that, arguably.
795
00:30:43,630 --> 00:30:46,560
- Kill or be killed.
796
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,700
- That's more like it.
797
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:50,300
- Thank you, Doctor Morley.
798
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:51,870
- Cross-examination.
799
00:30:51,870 --> 00:30:53,670
- Did Josh tell you
that his father beat him?
800
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,840
- No.
801
00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:56,070
- Threatened his life?
802
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:57,410
- No.
803
00:30:57,410 --> 00:31:01,510
- So Josh Hunter's perception
that his life was in danger
804
00:31:01,510 --> 00:31:03,950
at the moment that he elected
805
00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:06,480
to plunge a knife
into his father's heart,
806
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,550
this perception was not
genuine or reasonable, was it?
807
00:31:10,550 --> 00:31:14,160
- I can only tell you
what I observed, Mr. Price,
808
00:31:14,260 --> 00:31:16,520
which is that Josh believed
on that morning
809
00:31:16,530 --> 00:31:20,400
that his life, his survival,
was in jeopardy.
810
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,930
Only Josh has seen
what he has seen,
811
00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:24,000
feared what he has feared
812
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,040
in the way
that he has feared it.
813
00:31:26,140 --> 00:31:30,170
You are free to call
his actions unreasonable.
814
00:31:30,270 --> 00:31:32,740
I suppose your job requires it.
815
00:31:32,740 --> 00:31:35,340
I'm just not comfortable
doing that.
816
00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:39,480
- You loved your father,
didn't you?
817
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,050
- Yes.
818
00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:43,550
He--he was my hero.
819
00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:45,150
- And you killed him?
820
00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:48,790
- [sighs]
821
00:31:48,790 --> 00:31:50,230
Yeah.
822
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,500
I guess I just snapped.
823
00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:00,670
I can't explain it,
but I couldn't take it anymore.
824
00:32:00,770 --> 00:32:02,440
- You ever been
to McDonald's, Josh?
825
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,310
- Uh, no.
826
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:10,910
- Ever tried
movie theater popcorn?
827
00:32:10,910 --> 00:32:11,950
- No.
828
00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:13,010
- A sip of beer?
829
00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:15,650
- [scoffs]
No.
830
00:32:15,650 --> 00:32:18,790
- You go to prom last year?
831
00:32:18,790 --> 00:32:22,360
- Um, my dad didn't
want me to go.
832
00:32:22,460 --> 00:32:25,360
- Shortly before
your dad's death,
833
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,330
you more or less quit the team.
834
00:32:27,330 --> 00:32:28,360
- Yeah.
835
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:31,400
Uh, I told everybody
that my knee was injured.
836
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:33,570
- Did your dad find out?
837
00:32:33,570 --> 00:32:34,570
- Yeah.
838
00:32:34,570 --> 00:32:35,770
- What did he do?
839
00:32:35,770 --> 00:32:38,770
- He woke me up at 2:00 a.m.
840
00:32:38,770 --> 00:32:41,980
and we drove out
to the football field.
841
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:45,250
Did this thing called 50-40s,
842
00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:47,780
where you sprint
to the 40-yard line and back
843
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,750
25 times on a timer.
844
00:32:53,220 --> 00:32:54,720
- Did you make it?
845
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,330
- No.
846
00:32:56,430 --> 00:33:01,630
So he made me do it again
until I threw up.
847
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,230
- He bring you water
or anything?
848
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,970
- No.
849
00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:13,740
He said,
"This is just the beginning.
850
00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:15,880
I'm gonna turn you into a man."
851
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,110
Whatever it took.
852
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:18,480
- Did that scare you?
853
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,380
- I've never been so afraid
in my entire life.
854
00:33:22,390 --> 00:33:24,190
[solemn music]
855
00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:25,950
I thought he was gonna kill me.
856
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,620
- Thank you.
857
00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:28,660
Nothing further.
858
00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:31,860
♪ ♪
859
00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:34,430
- Josh, did you ever
tell your father
860
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:38,600
that you didn't want to be
an elite football player?
861
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:39,900
- No.
862
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:41,600
God, no.
863
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,170
- So you have no way of knowing
how he would have responded.
864
00:33:45,170 --> 00:33:47,740
- I know exactly how
he would have responded.
865
00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:50,710
He would have called me a sissy
and then tortured me
866
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:53,050
with some sort
of crazy workout.
867
00:33:53,050 --> 00:33:56,080
- Did you ever raise
any of your fears or concerns
868
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:59,250
with your teachers at school?
869
00:33:59,260 --> 00:34:00,990
- No.
- Your coaches?
870
00:34:00,990 --> 00:34:03,060
Your--your teammates?
- No.
871
00:34:03,060 --> 00:34:05,160
- Did you ever call the police?
872
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,500
- No.
But I told my brother, Eric.
873
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,900
- Told him what?
874
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,430
- I told him that
my dad was gonna kill me.
875
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,810
And he just--
he told me to suck it up.
876
00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:18,770
Be a man.
877
00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:24,650
I wish I was tougher, man.
878
00:34:26,980 --> 00:34:28,650
But I'm not.
879
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:32,550
I'm not you, Eric.
880
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,120
♪ ♪
881
00:34:36,130 --> 00:34:40,600
[tearfully]
I'm... so sorry.
882
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,700
♪ ♪
883
00:34:44,700 --> 00:34:47,000
I'm so sorry.
884
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,900
♪ ♪
885
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,250
- You think the jury
might actually find
886
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:58,550
that Josh acted
in self-defense?
887
00:34:58,550 --> 00:35:00,920
- I think there is
enough of a chance
888
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,020
that we should consider
offering him the opportunity
889
00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:05,960
to plead out manslaughter.
890
00:35:06,090 --> 00:35:08,220
After hearing that testimony
in the courtroom,
891
00:35:08,220 --> 00:35:10,590
I think it might be
the right ethical choice too.
892
00:35:10,590 --> 00:35:12,560
- No.
893
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,630
No.
894
00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:16,400
You don't get to stalk down
a human being
895
00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:20,900
and put a knife in their heart
because you're too weak
896
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:23,300
to handle what
the world served you.
897
00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:25,270
By all accounts,
Eric Hunter went through
898
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:27,540
exactly the same thing
as Josh did.
899
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,050
And Eric appears to be
well-adjusted, thriving even,
900
00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:31,510
at least before this.
901
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:33,010
- Well, they're not
cookie cutters, Nolan.
902
00:35:33,020 --> 00:35:34,420
We're all built differently.
903
00:35:34,420 --> 00:35:36,720
- Which is, again,
not a justification for murder.
904
00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:40,120
My father was...
905
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,390
not exactly warm and fuzzy.
906
00:35:43,390 --> 00:35:48,160
He was cold and unforgiving.
907
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,400
There was not a lot
of affection.
908
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,000
He shook my hand
once a year on my birthday.
909
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,540
And--and guess what.
910
00:35:55,540 --> 00:35:58,110
Neither I nor either
of my two brothers
911
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,640
ever resorted to murdering him.
912
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,880
[tense music]
913
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,980
- So what's the plan, Nolan?
914
00:36:04,980 --> 00:36:08,320
- I'm gonna call Eric Hunter
as a rebuttal witness.
915
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,150
- As a hostile witness?
916
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:11,690
- Correct.
917
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:14,660
♪ ♪
918
00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:16,360
- OK.
919
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,790
Trust your instincts.
920
00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:24,830
♪ ♪
921
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:31,070
- Can you tell the jury
the circumstances
922
00:36:31,070 --> 00:36:32,680
under which you're here?
923
00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:34,440
- You gave me a subpoena.
924
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,750
- Making you what we call
a hostile witness.
925
00:36:37,850 --> 00:36:39,680
You're not here
'cause you want to be here.
926
00:36:39,820 --> 00:36:41,050
- Correct.
927
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:42,120
- What did I tell you
would happen
928
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,190
if you did not
testify here today?
929
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:47,390
- That I would be arrested.
930
00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:48,890
- What did I tell you
would happen
931
00:36:48,990 --> 00:36:50,990
if you did not tell the truth?
932
00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:52,730
- I would be charged
with perjury.
933
00:36:52,830 --> 00:36:55,830
- And you understand
both of those things?
934
00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:57,300
- Yes, I do.
935
00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:59,700
- Was your father
a horrible man?
936
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,000
A monster?
937
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,940
- No.
- Did he deserve to die?
938
00:37:03,940 --> 00:37:06,540
- No.
- Did he love you?
939
00:37:06,540 --> 00:37:07,380
- Yes.
940
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:08,810
- Did he love your brother?
941
00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:11,610
- Yes.
942
00:37:11,610 --> 00:37:15,620
- Your father wanted
you boys to succeed.
943
00:37:15,620 --> 00:37:18,150
Correct?
- Yes.
944
00:37:18,250 --> 00:37:20,990
When our mother died, he--
945
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:23,760
he was terrified.
946
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,390
He didn't think he had
what it took to raise us alone.
947
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,000
So he became very strict.
948
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,470
- He believed in tough love?
949
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:35,040
- Yes.
- Next year, you expect
950
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,470
to be drafted
into the NFL, correct?
951
00:37:37,610 --> 00:37:39,740
- Well, I hope to be so lucky.
Yes.
952
00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:41,140
- Would you be
a first round pick
953
00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:42,340
if it weren't for your father?
954
00:37:42,340 --> 00:37:45,110
- No.
- But he was hard on you.
955
00:37:45,110 --> 00:37:46,480
- Yes.
956
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,220
- He said cruel things
to you sometimes.
957
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,620
He questioned your commitment.
958
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:51,250
He made you work out
extra hard.
959
00:37:51,250 --> 00:37:52,750
He ran you to the point
of exhaustion
960
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:53,760
- Yes.
961
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:54,990
- Did you ever
try to murder him?
962
00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:56,290
- No!
963
00:37:56,290 --> 00:37:58,130
[tense music]
964
00:37:58,130 --> 00:38:00,730
But see, Josh isn't like me.
All right?
965
00:38:00,730 --> 00:38:02,660
He's a good person.
966
00:38:02,670 --> 00:38:04,030
Better than me.
967
00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:05,600
♪ ♪
968
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,240
You see,
I could just turn it off.
969
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:10,310
But Josh, he's--
he's sensitive.
970
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:12,210
He felt stuff deep down,
971
00:38:12,210 --> 00:38:15,080
and all of that hurt him.
972
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,510
It hurt him more than I--
973
00:38:16,610 --> 00:38:19,120
than I ever even knew
until now.
974
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,920
- Because he didn't tell you
about his feelings.
975
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,290
Did he, Eric?
976
00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:29,290
- No.
977
00:38:29,290 --> 00:38:32,660
- In fact, despite
what Josh told this jury
978
00:38:32,660 --> 00:38:35,460
in his sworn testimony,
he never told you
979
00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:37,830
that he thought your father was
gonna kill him, did he?
980
00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:41,240
♪ ♪
981
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:44,840
- No. He never said that.
982
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,510
He, uh...
983
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:50,610
He never said that
he thought that
984
00:38:50,610 --> 00:38:52,580
our father was gonna kill him.
985
00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:56,420
♪ ♪
986
00:38:56,420 --> 00:38:57,990
- Nothing further.
987
00:38:57,990 --> 00:39:02,390
♪ ♪
988
00:39:02,490 --> 00:39:05,790
- Members of the jury,
have you agreed upon a verdict?
989
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,160
- We have.
990
00:39:09,830 --> 00:39:13,170
We find the defendant,
Josh Hunter,
991
00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:15,240
guilty of murder
in the second degree.
992
00:39:15,340 --> 00:39:16,570
[crowd murmuring]
993
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:18,740
- Thank you for your service.
994
00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:20,110
We are adjourned.
995
00:39:20,110 --> 00:39:21,840
[gavel bangs]
996
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,850
[dramatic music]
997
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:31,890
♪ ♪
998
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:45,400
[siren wailing]
999
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,570
[horns honking]
1000
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,940
- Eric.
1001
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:56,540
- Look, man, you got
what you wanted, all right?
1002
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:59,210
Now, please, leave me alone.
1003
00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:03,320
- Whatever you are thinking
or feeling right now,
1004
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,090
your father did not
deserve to die.
1005
00:40:06,190 --> 00:40:11,130
Don't blame yourself
for what your brother did.
1006
00:40:11,230 --> 00:40:12,860
- Yeah, well,
it's not that easy.
1007
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:20,000
- I get it.
1008
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,040
I do.
1009
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,770
I had a brother.
1010
00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:26,540
He's gone now.
He overdosed.
1011
00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:28,280
And I always asked myself
if there's more
1012
00:40:28,410 --> 00:40:29,780
that I could have done
to prevent that.
1013
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,310
But the truth is,
1014
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:34,750
he was a grown man,
1015
00:40:34,750 --> 00:40:37,720
and he made
his own tragic choices.
1016
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:40,720
- You really believe that?
1017
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:45,590
The strong protect the weak.
1018
00:40:45,590 --> 00:40:47,830
That's how the world works.
1019
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,230
Well, that's how it's
supposed to work anyway.
1020
00:40:50,330 --> 00:40:53,330
I failed Josh, man.
1021
00:40:53,340 --> 00:40:55,840
It's as simple as that.
1022
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,440
And unlike you,
1023
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,740
I will never be able
to forgive myself for that.
1024
00:41:24,530 --> 00:41:24,730
...
1025
00:41:24,730 --> 00:41:27,540
amatic music]
1026
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:34,740
♪
1027
00:41:54,030 --> 00:41:56,970
[wolf howls]
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