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[police radio chatter]

The EMTs are calling 'em deceased.

Couple in their 30s.
Checked in last night with their son.

-Where is he now?
-[Heather] Foster home.

Julian, can you tell me
what happened that morning?

-What happened to your parents?
-Well, they died.

Jimson weed. If you drink a tea
made from it, it'll kill you.

I gave the tea to them.

[Harry] Where are all Julian's things?

[Heather] Oh, my God.

What kind of parents go on a trip
and don't pack a bag for their kid?

The boy who was taken into custody,
I need to know where he's being held.

I'm his mother.

-[boy] Yo, you going out like that?
-[second boy] Not down there!

You can do them out back!

Yo, wait up! Wait up!

[laughter]

[door closes]

[Heather] She doesn't know he confessed.
Should I tell her?

[Harry] I would wait.

I would let her tell us
what she knows first, all right?

[Heather]
Sorry to keep you waiting. Um...

[Harry] Nobody got you anything?
You want a coffee or something?

No, thank you.

When can I see my son?

We can take you
to the foster home right after this.

Foster home?

It's just for now.

It's temporary.

I'm sorry. This is just...

I'm very confused.

What happened to Adam and Bess?

It looks like they were poisoned.

I...

I don't understand. By someone?

We thought Adam and Bess
were Julian's parents.

No, they live on my property.

When I need them to,
they look after Julian sometimes.

They were taking him
to Niagara Falls for the weekend.

He and Bess love each other.

What happened, exactly?

Did you know they packed
no luggage for Julian?

Yes. They forgot his bag.

Adam and Bess are lovely, but they're...

they're absent-minded.

I called them about it.

We decided that they'd pick up
a few things for him along the way.

All right, let's take a look.

We're gonna find somethin'
that fits in here.

[Heather] This obviously isn't
your current address. Oregon?

No, I'm sorry, I need to renew that.
No, I live about 20 miles from here.

-Where, exactly?
-Off of Route 4.

-By the reservoir?
-Near Osborn Road.

I'd like to see him now.

Uh, Ms. Walker, has Julian had any
emotional issues he's had to deal with?

No. Why would you ask that?

-Anxiety? Depression?
-No.

He's a happy child.

Any aggressive behavior?

I think you should tell me what happened.

[Heather] We found the bodies like this.

The blankets. The positions.

There's no reason
Julian would do something like this.

Something happened, an accident.
I don't know, something.

He's a 13-year-old boy.

Ms. Walker, uh, he's told us already.

He's confessed it.

Confessed to what?

To poisoning Mr. Lowry and Ms. McTeer.

He made a tea from a plant.
It's called jimson weed.

-And he said he knew it was poisonous.
-[Heather] We have corroborating evidence.

Fingerprints,
video footage from the motel.

I want to see him now.

[Harry] So, when she mentioned where
she lived, it threw you off a little bit.

Route 4, Osborn Road.

There's nothing on Osborn Road
except for this one place.

At least 30 other people live there.

It was a retreat center
that went out of business in the '90s,

and then these people bought it

and tried to turn it into some kind
of utopian community or something.

It's called Mosswood Grove.

[sniffles]

[crying]

Shh.

It's okay. It's okay.

[Julian sobbing]

[Ms. Walker] It's okay.
It's okay. It's okay.

Let me see you.

It's okay. It's okay.

Shh. It's okay.

It's okay. It's okay.

[whispering] Listen carefully.

When they go back in that room,
okay, I need you to listen.

It's okay.
I need you to listen to me, okay?

[continues whispering]

[whispering softly]

Okay? Okay? It's okay, my boy.

And what happened
when you woke up at the motel?

I waited for the sun to rise.

And then Adam woke up
and he took me to the breakfast bar.

Can you tell me what you did there?

Yes.

I ate breakfast...

and I went back to the room.

What about the tea you made?

I went back to the room.

Julian, you told Detective Ambrose
yesterday that you made two cups of tea

and brought them back to the room,
isn't that right?

I don't remember.

-You remembered very clearly yesterday.
-That's enough for today.

-It's time I took him home.
-That's not possible.

Julian's legally a ward of the state.

-What do you mean?
-You'll have to prove guardianship

at the court tomorrow
before you can take him.

You think this is helping my son,
keeping him here another night?

If you want to speak to him again,
you do so through me. Do you understand?

-That's not really your call, Ms. Walker.
-It's all right.

It's fine.

Thank you very much, Ms. Walker.
And if you have any questions...

Let's give 'em some time, hm?

What was that about?

Well, uh, you and I know

that we don't need her permission
to talk to him

until she proves her guardianship
at court,

but she doesn't need to know that yet.

Gives us a window of opportunity.

Remember who you are, all right?

Remember.

I'm gonna get you out of here.

Shh.

I love you.

I'll see you tomorrow.

-[sighing]
-Shh, shh.

[Ms. Walker]
What are the charges you're filing?

Murder in the second degree.

-On what grounds?
-As we mentioned, we have a confession.

A confession you extracted
without a parent present,

which I know for a fact
is not admissible in court.

This entire case is bullshit.

Your son killed two people.

Why do you think Julian
would do something like this?

He's crazy, is that what you're thinking?

Or he's been abused?

Or I pumped him full of Adderall
and fed him junk food and video games?

Or maybe he's just evil? Is that it?

My son is so far beyond
anything you can understand.

You have no idea.

Are you kidding? Mosswood?

As far as we know,
that's where he grew up.

Jesus...

Well, it makes sense. I mean, uh, those
weirdos would turn out a kid like that.

We're hoping to get a search warrant
and take a look at his living situation.

Why is that necessary?

Chief, young criminals, in most cases,
the crime starts with the parents,

and the mother is not cooperating.

And then this place,
the whole question about this commune--

Has he been charged?

No. Not yet.

Well, why don't we start with that?
We have what we need, right?

Yeah. We do.

I still think that we should go in there.

Detective, I understand your desire,
but that place is a hornet's nest.

Last time we went in there,
it blew up in my face for nothing.

And why was that?

They want to be left alone,
and, frankly, so do we.

-Eh...
-I'm not goin' down that road.

-Um--
-Okay.

Thank you, sir.

[birdsong]

[Jack]
Every few years, it's something else.

A classmate of Heather's,
she got mixed up with them.

She joined up or converted,
whatever you call it...

and, uh, we never heard from her again.

-Really?
-And then there was Kyle Cummings.

Kyle Cummings, a great high-school
quarterback out here at Keller.

And he was seeing a girl in there.

He wound up in there one night,
and the next day, he hanged himself.

Everybody was devastated.

Nobody saw it comin'.
He just wasn't the type.

Good family, no drugs, uh...

And a great quarterback.

I had scouts in here every weekend

-to see that kid play ball--
-Dad, that's not really the point.

People were convinced that Mosswood
members had done something to him.

Some local guys beat them up
and then they retaliated.

So, it's true? That kid's from Mosswood?

Jeannie, I can't really talk about cases
while they're being investigated.

-[phone buzzes]
-[Harry sighs]

I wondered when they'd miss me.
This is home base checking in.

I'll... need a second.

[Jack] You okay?

Yeah.

[sighs] I'm fine.

I don't like this Mosswood stuff.

I don't want it opening old wounds.

I'm fine, Dad.

Don't worry.

[insects chirping]

[woman sighs]
Why can't I break up with Caleb?

[panting] I mean, I want to, but I can't.

[panting] I don't know.
Maybe 'cause you can't stand bein' alone.

[both laugh]

He just sits around,
conjuring me up in his mind all day long.

How am I supposed to break up with that?

Look.

Welcome to Mosswood Hippieville.
What do you think they do down there?

[laughing] Have lots of sex?

Organic sex.

-Organic big-bush patchouli sex.
-[both laughing]

Sophie was saying
those people are actually really serious.

Like, they do this deep-trance stuff.

They, like, hypnotize you, so you don't
even know who you are anymore.

And then you're all like, "Yes, Master.

-How may I service you, Master?"
-[chuckles]

-Oh, God!
-[slurping]

-That's so gross!
-[laughs]

[lighter sparks]

Whatever they're doing down there,
I bet it's way more interesting

than anything we do.

-So, let's go.
-What do you mean?

Let's sneak on.

Are you serious?

Yeah, I'm dead serious.

Oh, my God. I love you!

[giggling]

-[Heather] Come on!
-[woman laughs]

[Harry] I wanted to hear
about life on the commune.

[crunching]

Like... an average day, what's that like?

There's really no such thing.

Well, what time do you wake up?

When the sun rises.

Oh, there's no sleepin' in
for this guy, huh?

No, I sleep mostly inside.

Sometimes, I sleep outside on warm nights.

Mm.

Aren't you gonna ask me
about my mother?

Isn't that why you're here?

All right.

Um...

Does she cook for you? Make you breakfast?

Sometimes.

And you get along with her?

Look, I'm just trying to...

see if you can tell me anything
that might help your situation.

That's all.

Outsiders are all the same.

Am I an outsider?

Everyone is... out here.

What's an outsider?

An outsider...

promises you things
before they even know you.

Is that something your mother told you?

My mother can read minds.

She told me all about you.

Did she tell you to change your story?

I don't wanna talk anymore.

[dogs barking in distance]

[Julian panting]

[whimpering]

[groans]

[gasping]

[Heather]
Vera Walker... born in East Texas, 1976.

Moved to Dallas in the '90s
and spent two years

working for a company called Interlogica.

-What is that? Is that a tech thing?
-I don't know.

Um, then she shows up in Ashland, Oregon,
working for a non-profit.

Then nothing for the past 15 years.

-No criminal record?
-Nothing.

Not even a credit card.

Good work.

She's a ghost.

[woman] In consideration of custody
for the minor in question, Julian Walker,

who is present in the court?

Vera Walker, his mother.

Will counsel please put their appearance
on the record?

Matias Lorcas, attorney for the child.

Thank you. You have the birth certificate?

Thank you.

And proof of residence, where is that?

I'm sorry?
I wasn't told to bring proof of residence.

I need to know where the child lives,
where he goes to school.

We-- we live at 90 Osborn Road.
He was born there.

-He's lived there his entire life.
-Where's the child registered for school?

Uh...

He's homeschooled.

Well, then you must be registered
as a home school in New York State.

So, where's that documentation?

I don't see why you need that
when you have his birth certificate.

-No one told me I had to bring--
-Because that's what's required.

Once you have the appropriate documents,
we'll review the case. Next docket, 4565.

My son is being held in a group home
with people he doesn't know.

He is terrified and he wants to come home.

-Ms. Walker--
-And I am his mother.

I know where you're from,
and I know what your son is accused of.

And, frankly, I have more confidence in
foster care right now than I have in you.

Come back when you're prepared.

Next docket, 4565.

[bailiff] 4565, stand up.

[Brick sighs] I can't tell you that.

No. That's not what I said.

Listen... Hold on.

This guy from the paper, he knows
we're pressin' charges on Julian Walker

and he wants confirmation.

He's askin' about
whether the kid's from Mosswood.

Shit.

Tell him "no comment."

[sighs]

No comment.

That's all I got for you. No comment.

-[woman] Jackie knows you're with me.
-[Heather] No. No, she doesn't.

-Ow!
-Ah!

-Shit! Mother...
-Shh! Shh!

-Ow. Ow. Ow.
-Hey. Shh.

[laughs]

What the hell are they doing?

-[leaves rustling]
-[gasps]

We are so sorry.
Um, we know we're trespassing.

-[woman] We're really sorry.
-It was a mistake. We'll leave.

[laughs]

-Marin...
-[laughs]

Come sit with us.

Mom?

Mom?

You know, I realize that...

there's no reason
why you should trust me.

So, I thought maybe instead of me
asking you questions, right...

you could ask me.

Whatever you want.

Then why do you have a beard?

Uh...

I think I have a weak chin.

And with the beard,
it feels more imposing, you know, be...

[sighs]

Thought I could get people
to respect me more.

Where are you from?

From here. Keller. I grew up here.

But now I... I live about four hours
east of here in Dorchester.

So, why are you here?

Because...

it matters to me what happens to you.

Why?

[inhales sharply]

When I was just a couple years
younger than you...

my mother was unable
to take care of me anymore.

Why?

She, um...

There was an accident.

-[sighs]
-Did she die?

No.

But I... I had to go
and live somewhere else.

And it was a place a lot like this place.

It was a foster home.

Did you have nightmares?

I did.

What about you?

You have those?

Yeah.

What are yours like?

There's this thing...

in my room that, um...

It wears this hood,
so I can't see its face.

It's coming for me... but I can't move.

I try to, but I can't.

And it comes up to me...

and leans in...

and it... puts its hand...

right here...

inside me.

[sighs]

[Harry] With kids, traumatic experiences
get turned into some kind of nightmare,

because it helps them process something
terrible that's happened to them.

Like a hooded figure comes into his room,
touches him, when he can't move.

So, what does it mean?

Psychological or physical...

abuse.

-Maybe both.
-[Heather] And this is Danny Spaulding...

the registered owner of the car
our victims drove out of Mosswood.

He's got a record.

Two counts of grand larceny.
He's on the sex-offender list.

-He's probably still in Mosswood.
-[Harry] I think the point is,

we don't know who else is in there
or what's going on inside.

If the press breaks this story,

you don't wanna be the person
who didn't follow up on a lead.

[sighs]

You think this is worth it?

I think we need to go in, sir.

Tomorrow.

Okay.

I'll call Judge Cervini.

[sighs]

Hey.

What do you say to
a fishing expedition tomorrow morning?

Oh, well... [chuckles]

Uh, actually, tomorrow's not great,
but, um, I'll take a rain check. Sure.

You know, maybe you should use
some of those vacation days

you called in for
for some actual vacation.

Yeah. Yes, I probably should.

Uh...

But, uh, duty calls, so...

Well... let me know.

I'm around.

-Good night.
-Uh, yeah. Good night.

[Harry] Oh, God.

[sighs heavily]

Hello.

[Vera] So, you've been
speaking with my son.

You saw him twice without his lawyer
present and without informing me.

I'm just trying to get to know him.

Well, you're out of bounds
and I'm filing a complaint with the judge.

Ms. Walker, from what I gather, he's had
a pretty unconventional upbringing.

I don't see how being raised
close to nature

in a loving community is unconventional.

He's a lucky kid, then.

I assume you'll try to come here
in a couple of days to evaluate us.

That's always a possibility.

Whatever it is
you think you'll find here...

I can tell you right now
that you're wrong.

I hope so.

Trust me, Detective...
I know where the monster is.

[scoffs]

[birdsong]

[Harry] They're probably gonna try to make
things look as above board as possible.

So we'd better keep our eyes open.

You okay?

Yeah.

I don't know. Makes sense to me.

You sacrifice the thing
that's holding you back.

Stop that.

-What?
-You're staring.

-He's staring at me.
-So what?

Marin, that's your mother's.

Well, yeah. Exactly.

Good riddance.

Keller PD.

This way.

[murmur of voices]

[hush falls]

Ms. Walker.

These are all the current residents
of Mosswood Grove. We're at your disposal.

It's a court-issued search warrant
giving us the right

to search the living quarters
of Julian Walker,

Adam Lowry and Bess McTeer.

Is this everybody?

Yes.

Thank you, everyone.
Please go about your work.

I misunderstood. You don't just live here.

You're in charge.

We don't resort to hierarchies like you,
Detective Lieutenant. Detective Sergeant.

Just police officer.

Follow me.

This whole thing must... be hard
on everybody.

Of course, as you can imagine.

Right this way, please.

This is Julian's room?

Uh, if you don't mind, could you both wait
by the door during the search, please?

Thank you.

-Who's his roommate?
-I am.

No one on the Grove has a private bedroom.

Hm.

Where are the other children?

There are no other children.

We focus our energy into the work.

-Is this Julian's duffel bag for the trip?
-It is.

Please be careful.

Where's Julian's father?

He's not in the picture.

What about Danny Spaulding, with the car?

Is he still a resident here?

Yes. Why do you ask?

Well, he's an ex-convict,
on the sex-offender list...

and he's living with a minor, so I think
that's a reasonable thing to ask.

Mosswood is a sanctuary community.

We don't turn anyone away.

Anyone who abides by our rules can stay,
no questions asked.

Mothers are usually concerned
about that kind of thing.

Are you concerned?

Danny's completely transformed himself
through the work.

Society would cast him aside.
We prefer to help him.

People deserve a second chance.

[birdsong]

[Harry] Will we get to see that area?
What is it, by the way?

[Vera] That's our garden.

You support yourselves with that?

We grow most of what we need.

[Marin] My mom, she's...

I don't know. She had me
when she was way too young

and she's just annoyed.

Like, my entire existence
is a giant cock-block to her.

[laughs]

There's someone I want you to meet.
You wanna come?

Yeah. Sure.

Marin, I think we should go.

Just give me a minute.

Marin.

This is where Bess and Adam slept.

These are their things.

We'll burn anything you don't want.

I like your necklace.

Thank you.

You know, Bess was wearing a necklace
almost exactly like that

in the, uh, photographs
up at the main house.

You aren't stealin' from the dead,
are you?

No. She gave it to me.

[whispering]

When would that have been?

Before she left.

Oh. It's a special gift.

Why would she do that if she were
only gonna go for a couple of days?

-[Vera] Detective!
-They weren't comin' back, were they?

Jes...

We need to talk.

I think we're done here.

-[rings]
-[murmur of voices]

-[man] Vera.
-Mm?

-We just finished dyeing the sheets...
-[Harry] So?

The guy, back at the dorms,
with the ponytail,

I saw him at the motel
when we went to speak to the manager.

So, Vera had to know something
before she came into the station that day.

Bess McTeer, right, gave away
a necklace just before they took off,

and that, plus no luggage for Julian,

I don't think they were planning
on coming back.

-They were escaping.
-Yeah.

This whole trip to Niagara Falls story
is a hoax.

[Harry] Okay. Okay. Hey.

Did you find what you were looking for?

Well, it's never what you expect, I guess.

Just keep walking.

[birdsong]

[creaking]

I'm curious about Bess and Adam.
How long had they lived here?

Adam, only a few months.

Bess has been here since her early 20s.
The work completely transformed her.

I saw it myself.

So, when you talk about the work,
what does that mean, exactly?

[rustling]

It's easier to experience
than it is to explain.

We all have a shadow, all the good
and bad inside that we try to hide.

We shine a light on that shadow.

[Vera] You encounter parts of yourself
you never knew were there.

Not for the faint of heart,
but it's rewarding... powerful.

It teaches you how to trust yourself.

[rhythmic creaking]